hardware

[jaunty horizon]

so what i actually want is to buy a properly working hub with those lightning symbol on it

[grave sundial]

yes, a powered USB hub.

[jaunty horizon]

to supply enough power to my SSDs

thanks a lot, Windus!

[grave sundial]

There's another way.

You can also use USB 3.0 cables with splitters.

[jaunty horizon]

oh my... that's another gear that i don't know

let me have a sec to google it

[grave sundial]

But, only 3.0 cables will work for this, because you need the power for both SSDs.

Also USB 3.0 port, obviously.

[jaunty horizon]

that's good with me cuz I've got both of them

but I'll buy a hub, it seems it is better for me in the future

gears are increasing in number these days messing my table with cable

[grave sundial]

Wire ties and under-table wire trays are your friends.

[jaunty horizon]

I'll not share photo of my table for mental health of you and others here

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.in/Tisany®Under-Management-Holder-Organizer-Office/dp/B0B96QTWT4

Like this.

You can pass your wires collectively under the table, through narrow, neat trays.

[jaunty horizon]

Thanks a lot!

[median marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p0MEy8BvYY

[orchid iron]

Richest company challenging its board partners

[naive cloak]

I think after that Nvidia will realize the lost potential, stop building GPUs and start building high quality AC units...

in 2025 they understood that its better to have the fan airflow go thru

airflow before 2025: "Am I a joke to you?!"

[median marsh]

to be fair... all the other manufactors sleeped kind of

nvidia only makes their own cards for a few generations now, while the others had plenty of time to improve

[naive cloak]

we will have global copper and aluminium shortage if Nvidia keep making 5090 with heatsink like that 😰

but this heatsink is more impressive than the GPU itself 😄

[median marsh]

yea thought the same... 50% of their price increase is probably the heatsink xD

[mighty cosmos]

The cooler is some top notch engineering tbf

[median marsh]

the gpu die probably costs exactly the same, as it's the same 4nm process as 4090?!

[mighty cosmos]

tho more cuda, tensor and RT cores so likely not the exact same but also not a newer process node

[median marsh]

i don't know the whole process but i guess it doesn't really matter that much in terms of price

[naive cloak]

I think 5070 TI is the only card worth considering only if you have very old or iGPU and no self respect to buy Nvidia

[naive cloak]

all the "youtubers" post videos where they touch 5090, its probably blank without the PCB, they remind me of the cable company employees from South Park

can we unite once and boycott 50 series release? or you want to pay scalper prices on release date?

[violet spade]

When I saw the cut in half tagline I thought they meant price 🥲

[naive cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

this situation reminds me of failed AAA games launch marketing strategies where they talk and show everything but the gameplay itself and silence youtubers

[orchid iron]

Oh, and don't forget the part where "they fix the bugs later" because they might have rushed the launch due to tariffs

Calling it right now, that single 12v high power cable might melt again or cause issues because of how close the power consumption and the Max rated power for the cable are

And then we get like 750 watt cable after a few dead GPU/PSU

[forest jay]

Selling this build all in one or pieced that I bought less than a year ago total was roughly 5K what would be a pc build gurus quote on something like this after about a years worth of use and all the boxes receipts and warranties included. 🙏

Msi 4090 suprim liquid x gpu
13900 k intel i9 cpu
Noctua fan
Msi z790 tomahawk mb
1000 seagate ps
4000d corsair caja
2 tb HD samsung ssd 990
96 crucial ram

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ6NeSGad4I#

[orchid iron]

Are you planning to buy a 5090?

[forest jay]

It is likely yes I want the same suprime liquid x but 5090 flavor this time. I’m moving to another country and weighing out options to sell in current country so I don’t have to do all the work w my original stuff and buy new

[orchid iron]

Just as a heads up, as mentioned in this video, it will likely be very rare to find until much later this year

[forest jay]

This is good to know

Very lol

[orchid iron]

So if this is your main PC, you should probably wait longer lol

[forest jay]

👌 at airport now to ask about issues w customs prior to our move next week

Flying to uk

From Spain

[orchid iron]

There is newegg at UK, plus because it is closer to Germany you may get better pricing

[forest jay]

I gotta break it down and pack it in static free

[forest jay]

British Pounds make me crazy always looks more

[orchid iron]

Or at one point do a quick trip to Germany to get some really good prices if you plan to get a 5090 once the stock is real xD

No joke, 100€ difference for a 7900 xtx even though Germany is right next to France

[forest jay]

Im having cold feet transporting don’t wanna have to disassemble pack in static free to then reassemble

[orchid iron]

You only have to remove GPU and CPU fan, plus anything that could wiggle with its weight

Mobo, ram, CPU, m2 ssd etc are all fine if you put a lot plastic bubble wrap and anti static

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9YiOLX5uQU&pp=ygUXcmV2aWV3aW5nIHN0YXIgZm9yZ2UgcGM%3D

If you don't want to remove anything, you can look how they package a PC

[forest jay]

I am leaving the housing behind because it is too bulky for carry on and simply easier for transport

So everything is getting taken out and static free wrapped up

[orchid iron]

Oh okay, that's fair but also makes it very fragile now, I understand the stress

[forest jay]

The case has glass too so that’s risky as well. Wish I could bring it all assembled really 😏

[orchid iron]

Is it one of those cases with more than 1 glass panel?

[forest jay]

Also to top it off I have medication I have to tote in a cooler and a 2 year old so I’m packed to the gills

[forest jay]

Yup

[orchid iron]

Bruuuh, are you flying or driving?

[forest jay]

Flying !!

✈️-setting sob

[orchid iron]

Okay, do you have a cat box or animal box that is used to fly animals in planes? Maybe put all your components in there and fill it with plastic bubbles xD

@forest jay brand new Computer case design

Oh nvm, you are already at the airport

Oooh, you have a week, got it, time for a trip to animal shop xD

Although, the PSU is pretty heavy, maybe put that elsewhere, it might damage the components from simply moving around

Same with CPU cooler

[median marsh]

dismount the CPU cooler and the gpu and you should be fine

[orchid iron]

he is travelling without case

[forest jay]

I talked to security showed pics of gpu, ps, mb and cooler they said it’s fine. Just packem good. The guy was funny he was a gamer and saw the gpu and in Spanish said “que guapo, yo quiero” 🤣

With like a look like he wished he had. I was like “Nono es mío”

[violet spade]

And then security confiscated it on account of it containing hazardous materials

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/sryD0QZFgpA?si=WfbuzAVS-RQKLhfs

[forest jay]

🤣🤣🤣

Never gets old

[naive cloak]

aura? 😬

[orchid iron]

once 5090 supply becomes real, it'll be 5090 instead xD

[forest jay]

If I were to grab a temp gaming laptop spec’d out to get me over the hump while my rig is getting set up during dark period. Which would people recommend:
msi
razer
asus
?

Most important is performance coupled with how loud it is

Want most quiet ests and the fastest’s

[orchid iron]

Lenovo, maybe framework if you don't mind building your own laptop

If you go for the highest performance you can get with a Max amount of noise, you should look into if the laptop allows for fan curve editing and also power limit editing, those 2 are the main ones

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NzRehSFWuKo&pp=ygUdYnV5aW5nIHVzZWQgZW50ZXJwcmlzZSBsYXB0b3A%3D

This guy is really good he runs a tech repair shop, tones of really good info

[delicate crystal]

Hes not wrong either. Business laptops ive found are better, more reliable, etc

[median marsh]

but they aren't shiny

[orchid iron]

And no rgb, how am I supposed to beat Roblox Professionals without rgb???

[plush turret]

https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/the-government-may-ban-tp-link-routers-this-year-how-worried-should-you-be/

[plush turret]

right after i bought like $600 worth of their networking hardware

[mighty patrol]

They were found to have a zero-day vulnerability though. Then used for a botnet.

and sus cause china

[plush turret]

its more that I actually like how durable some of them are

i have one of their extenderds in my garage for a while now

the fact its survived texas weather shifts for 5 years is wild

it was absolutely NOT meant to be outside in -30C to 50C temps

[mighty patrol]

From what I read as long as firmwares updated you should be fine.

The issue mostly effected large companies that didn't frequently update their hardware.

https://www.techradar.com/news/tp-link-routers-targeted-by-mirai-botnet-once-again-us-government-warns

May be better articles somewhere but its one of the ones I read.

[wise elbow]

whatever is cheapest for price, they're all gonna be crap

my best personal experience is with lenovo

just pick what CPU/GPU you want and look at reviews on specific models to see if they're adequately cooled

[wise elbow]

hard to get them with a gpu worth a crap for gaming without a massive premium though

most people don't care about an extended lifespan when the components become obsolete well before then

[plush turret]

also my stuff really isnt all that important

i accept that im far more valuable selling my thoughts for marketing data than spending time and money trying to hold it in

[orchid iron]

If the backdoor is known to the public, you could get hacked by a random person walking by

[orchid iron]

With that mentality, you are sure to get what you paid for

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/palla-deserto-desert-hot-gif-6014273

oh someone walked by

honestly anyone close enough to be on my wifi network is tresspassing by several dozen yards

my nearest neighbor is like 200 meters away

[delicate crystal]

I mean they were never designed for that. Simple system that does the basics? Thing will last for years without the BS of consumer crap

[delicate crystal]

thqat'd be wild to see how they'd "work" in those temps 😄

[plush turret]

it does

its in my garage

and its old enough their app doesnt even recognize it

[orchid iron]

lmao

[frank glade]

I use a lenovo legion with a 4060 for UE dev. It's okay, only run it in quiet mode

[delicate crystal]

something i noticed. MSI says my board should support 256 Gb of ram, but MSI canada says 128. Same board as far as I know.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC/Specification

https://ca.msi.com/Motherboard/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC/Specification

[runic sable]

Hello!
Help me with this please,
I wanna buy a laptop to work with UE5
TUF Gaming F15 FX507VI
Cpu:i7 13620H
ram:32GB
Nvme:1TB
gpu: RTX4070 8gb

is it good?
I wanna run ue5 and unity and blender(normal projects, I don't make very high poly projects) just fine
I also wanna work on android apps(flutter) and web dev

[copper night]

Yea it's good. And if you have ray tracing off you'll likely run at a pretty good fps

[orchid iron]

the normal msi page was last updated on the 6 sept of 2017

the canadian msi page was last updated on 29 oct 2018

but that doesn't mean much, not the first time a specification is wrongly input, try reaching out to msi to confirm it

[orchid iron]

it is very overkill, if you can take good care of your laptop, it'll last you over 8 years

[delicate crystal]

ya doing so now.

[runic sable]

tnx mate
If you say overkill, then its great for gamedev

[orchid iron]

I say this because I have a low poly project and I use an nvidia 960m and a 6th gen i7 cpu, with 16gb on UE 5.5 xD

[delicate crystal]

looks like it's 256 with a BIOS update so good to know

[orchid iron]

it is literally a "download more ram" moment

[runic sable]

may I see a sceenshot?

[runic sable]

oh no, I was talking about the project

[orchid iron]

Haven't finished making the material and meshes, but most of the code is on this map, so even if you add 6 gb of assets it is still not taking as much ram as people would expect

[runic sable]

thanks a lot mate

[orchid iron]

with how light everything is, I'd consider this basically a blank 3rd person template

[runic sable]

oh, well I'm safe🤣
thank you mate

[orchid iron]

you are welcome

[delicate crystal]

Is there a reason why somoene would buy a Quadro M6000 series card over nvidia or amd?

[orchid iron]

if you can find one (even used) cheaper than amd 6000 mid to high end or intel arc GPUs, then it is pretty good for just raw compute (no ray tracing or AI, but it has dx 12)

[delicate crystal]

ah ok. saw one that was the same memory and price as a 24gb 7900xtx so wondered why somoene would choose that (and no AI is a bonus IMO)

[orchid iron]

Yeah, that's a horrible price for it when the 7900 xtx is just better in every way

[plush turret]

fuck

theres a limiting factor somewhere in my test setup for my house

direct connection through the router has

when i route it through the several hundred feet of wire:

that feels like its almost a direct limit

not simple degredation via 350 feet of cat 6

can a connector limit 100Mb/s?

or maybe the cable?

looks like its the cable

[naive cloak]

350 freedom units is too much, its more than 100 meter

[plush turret]

confirmed its NOT the Rj45 coupler, its not the ethernet switch

the other Cat6 cable shows only 20% loss

and thats a POS cable i bought off wish

[naive cloak]

damaged cable maybe?

or low quality cable

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0874CWD41

I totally get a level of degredation given distance

but 90%?

looks like i might need a POE device. but this seems almost intentional

the drop is almost exactly 90%

[naive cloak]

why not optic fiber?

[plush turret]

mainly because i personally have no clue about how that stuff works, and if i get things wrong its going to mean i have to dig it back up

and havent found anyone to explain it in the dummy homeowner language

i dont mind putting good stuff in, so long as its not excessively expensive, or needs special install

the problem is that one end of the connections isnt exactly going to be climate controlled

its not getting wet, and it wont get wacked around too much, but its got to survive -20C up to 48C

ethernet cables seem to handle it so far

[naive cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7FjsY0xHd4

converters with connectors will cost ~60$ (depends what brand you want)

[plush turret]

I think i found what im needing: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BYP5CZY/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DB1VGQNK/

its more of a "never touched it, would need to dig it back up" thing

I know fiber is very very future proof

[plush turret]

downside is i dont know how big this is

I have junction boxes i can put it in to better protect it, but idk if its too big or small to hold that

[naive cloak]

I have this: https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/accessory/mc220l/#specifications its not too big, should fit in larger box but I think it requires ventilation, also idk if it rated for outdoors, probably better to install it indoors

[plush turret]

its not a like direct outdoors

just in my garage

dust is 99% of the non temp problems

I mean the def indoors only wifi extender is surviving at least 4 years in that garage

[naive cloak]

I think it will work fine inside garage if you dont have extreme conditions there

I dont know much about fiber optics, you should to talk to someone who made this setup or learn more about it to make sure you buy the right hardware

[plush turret]

yeah just like -10 to 48c

[naive cloak]

minus temp may be problematic

[fallen oasis]

That's way too negative, man.

[plush turret]

my $30 TP-link wifi extender from 2016 sitting in the corner covered in spider webs crying as it gets bumped by the lawnmower for the 8th time this month

working continuously for the last like 4 years

[naive cloak]

you can try, in worst case you will have to buy new unit for 25$ 🤷‍♂️

[plush turret]

yeah

i can always put it in a box

[naive cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/ck77-gif-8119670

[plush turret]

lol

[agile lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-geerling-rack-cart-riding-rack-server-rack-ride-gif-26954592

[plush turret]

gonna be fun to wire all of this stuff

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1lmEgoO1ZRY#

it has begun!

maybe next year it'll be available in other vendors

i dont think any current am5 or Socket 1851 CPUs wont have their IMC fried when running this long term

[agile lodge]

Marshall if you want other way than cable this could be one solution way https://technotim.live/posts/unifi-wireless-bridge/

[naive cloak]

if its possible to run wire its better to use wired connection

[naive cloak]

CORSAIR iCUE Link H170i 420mm black is 50% off on Amazon US (100$)

[delicate crystal]

I sense this would be a futureproof setup for a while

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/canadiancreed/saved/#view=XHQKcf

[plush turret]

but can you afford this monster and the 80% increase in your electrical bill?

[delicate crystal]

I could, but I sense it would be incrediable overkill. Maybe if I had some development contracts it'd be worthwile.

[plush turret]

man if you have that much spare money

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-please-sir-may-i-have-some-more-oliver-mark-lester-poor-gif-7821643

is joke but damn

[delicate crystal]

😄 oh it's going to make up for living hand ot mouth for way too long. Have to pay for retirement after all

[plush turret]

i scrapped for 6 months to afford my $1500 thing

[delicate crystal]

eh if I knew unreal well I'd pull the trigger. I hate upgrading, and I am very hard on my computers.

[plush turret]

then got family help as a christmas gift

cant be harder than me on them

[delicate crystal]

that waas my first few systems. Christmas gifts, second jobs. Gotta do what ya gotta do

[plush turret]

ive broken hard drives yearly before

[delicate crystal]

sounds familiar. Last laptop I would cook video cards every three months. Under warrenty so it was free but it was a running joke with the local tech

[plush turret]

tbh i wish i could get a decent part time remote job

[delicate crystal]

it's a bastard to get. I've been very lucky that I've got a full time remote. So many that want to offer less money and force you into an office because some boomer manager still thinks it's 1985

[plush turret]

i cant get full or i lose my benefits

so part time is fine with me

[plush turret]

No job offers 100% free medications and $5 copay for pcp and specialists

Or free ambulance rides if needed

[orchid iron]

out of curiosity, are you sure a 24 core threadripper with 256gb of ram is absolutely necessary?

If you went for a B550 taichi with 5950x and 128gb of ram, the cost of the build would be almost half

Also https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/L3P8TW/xfx-mercury-magnetic-air-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx-79xmairb9
Both saphire and xfx do amazing amd cards, but for an extra 100, you can have screwless removable fans which are great for cleaning and replacing

also, didn't you already have a threadripper build? What happened to it?

[mighty cosmos]

or even 9950x with 128GB and it will be faster in both single and multithread than that threadripper

[orchid iron]

yeah, plus he can upgrade his cpu and ram much later on

also, this could be a potentially better cooler than the noctua one https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4M7scf/arctic-freezer-4u-m-cpu-cooler-acfre00133a

and is there a very specific reason why you went with an msi PSU?
btw, good luck building with such large components into a such a small case

[wise elbow]

forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't an air cooler probably woefully inadequate for a CPU that consumes that much power?

[naive cloak]

AIO water coolers for example are not a much better than good quality air cooler, some even worse, and have a lot of parts that can fail and degrade over time

and building custom water cooling loop will cost a lot and requires tools and experience or you risk destroying your entire PC...

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1keDR4X3siM&pp=ygUsbGV2ZWwgMSB0ZWNoIG5ldyBhcmN0aWMgdGhyZWFkIHJpcHBlciBjb29sZXI%3D

Basically if a manufacturer makes a CPU cooler for a platform (in this case thread ripper) that means they tested it and they know it can handle it

The 14900k has 24 cores too and that somehow used up more power, but people were able to get it to acceptable temps with high end air coolers

[orchid iron]

In terms of performance, the advantage is undeniable, AIOs are better in that regard

The strength of air cooler is that failure is very rare and they are cheap

It's all a matter of if the product can cool the CPU to acceptable temps

[wise elbow]

yeah saying that a even decent aio isn't as good at cooling as the best air cooler is just misinformation

pretty much any aio 280mm or bigger is going to smoke even the best Noctua

aios have a short lifespan (~6 years iirc) compared to a high quality air cooler which could last literally forever

[wise elbow]

i would be very surprised by a 14900k not throttling even with a good noctua

[delicate crystal]

it probably isn't. It was more of a "what if I just said heck with it and went whole hog?". And that's what I came up with. I still ahve the original TR build (and will probably just do an upgrade). Having 6k for a system is a wee bit much.

[fervent jolt]

(in case you didn't notice, i.e. blue man's message, the 3960x is going on 6 years old. it is not a good cpu lol)

(don't pull that trigger )

[naive cloak]

misinformation? "smoke it" by 1-5 degrees? and that for 360mm

you get -5c with the risk of having leaks, water pump that will break and limited life span of the system overall, I dont see any smoke in it...

it will slowly allow air into the tubes same as balloons that deflate over time

[wise elbow]

lol, more like 10 degrees at least

and that's if you fully saturate the loop over the course of like 30 minutes

if you have more intermittent loads it'll be even better because most air coolers reach a steady state temp pretty fast

[frank glade]

The risks are basically zero nowadays

[wise elbow]

^^ really the only downside of water is cost and lifetime

but if it's the only thing that'll cool your CPU enough you don't really have a choice

also IMO giant air coolers are a pain in the ass to maintain. they collide with everything

water is absolutely not worth doing unless you can fit at least a 280mm though

below that and the radiator area and airflow is going to be comparable or less than a big air cooler

[frank glade]

I use a top aio as exhaust (240) and its great, much better airflow in the case (just one rear fan) and cleaner, easy access to mb

[mighty cosmos]

And the extra thermal mass you get from an AIO or water cooling in general is nice

[orchid iron]

at 15:43 he pushes the 14900k to 320W and it is below 85 °C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oldQy3p1zf0

[orchid iron]

from what you said, your OG build is completely fine, you have great components

(people think old is bad for some odd reason, but as long as it does the work you need it to do, there is no point in changing a team that works)

Now if you wanted to buy those components brand new, then I'd have questioned it heavily

I'll still recommend the XFX Mercury Magnetic Air Radeon RX 7900 XTX though ^^

Btw, what is your current PSU?

actually hold that thought....If you can wait until March, maybe the 9070xt might be interesting to you

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

me with cheap 10 year old laptop doing game development with unreal engine 5.5.1

[wise elbow]

wack. seems unusual that it can cool 30 C better than the original nhd15. also that's 83 C above ambient I think which would throttle under normal circumstances?

[orchid iron]

intel's default is 100°C which is nuts, and most users would put it at 90°C, so 83 is fine

[wise elbow]

yeah but that would be over 100 C if it's 83 above ambient

[orchid iron]

I've never seen a graph where it says "above ambient" wtf, so misleading

now I doubt people would be confortable running it at 320w, I think now the new default for the 14900k is at around 250w

[wise elbow]

imo above ambient makes more sense as cpu temp will increase one degree for every degree ambient increases

and yeah 320W is utterly absurd

all for like, 5% more performance

[orchid iron]

yeah but most people have AC at around 20-25°C, now yes there is the special cases where you have really cold winters and really hot summers, but most of the times systems should normally run at ambient temps most of the year

And if people want to prepare for summer, just slap 15-20°C on the graph instead of 40-45°C

but now you see how far high end air coolers have come

[wise elbow]

nhd15 has always been really good, new design improves by a few extra degrees

[orchid iron]

few extra degrees in such a basic and simple case scenario where everyone already tried their best is nuts

It is just metal next to hot CPU and fans, what is there to even improve XD

I wonder how the G3 will be...In 10 years

[wise elbow]

i think the biggest improvement they made (with intel at least) is much better contact with the internal heat spreader

i've also seen reports (but no real data) that getting a new contact frame for the cpu-mobo can significantly improve thermals for 13 and 14th gen intels

it bends under high thermal load iirc

[orchid iron]

yes, that's true, if you have a contact frame don't pick the intel CPU cooler, pick the amd version of it since the CPU won't get as bend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb25vsNBQI

this was a problem since 12Th gen

[wise elbow]

yup

[orchid iron]

I also hate the am5 design, why this weird shape??? Why couldn't they have stuck with normal square shape??? Now both amd and intel new CPUs should have contact frame for different reasons, one will cook itself and the other will be a nightmare to clean

[wise elbow]

i havent heard of any real benefit from a contact frame on am5, but it seems like offset coolers work best as opposed to one that evenly contacts the entire heat spreader

[orchid iron]

it is margin of error benefits, the contact frame for it should be renamed to "anti-thermal paste accident device" because cleaning am5 CPUs is way harder than it should

[delicate crystal]

Seasonic Focus Plus 750 Gold is the PSU

ya I'm probably going to look at upgrading with 256 of corair LPX ram that's DDR4-3200 or 3600, two 4 TB sticks to replace the 250GB ones I have, and the XFX 7900 XTX. THink that's either 20 or 24gb. That should be just under 2k

[orchid iron]

Oh that's a nice pick for the PSU

Either get the 24gb one or wait until march, the upcoming 9070xt will make so many cards look like they have horrible price to performance

So the 7900 xtx will stay at the top with the 4090 and 5090 until UDNA 1

[delicate crystal]

hmm another nine weeks....

[wise elbow]

9070xt will make 7900xtx look horrible by comparison most likely

idk if anyone knows the price. probably 600

probably similar in power but with better upscaling and rt support

[orchid iron]

Horrible in price/performance, but in terms of productivity (edit: relating to UE), that 24gb compared to 16 will have quite the big impact

[wise elbow]

i thought amd cards generally sucked for productivity anyway because most programs were optimized for Nvidia/used cuda

[orchid iron]

Anything using cuda yeah, but for general UE use, unless you need the superior ray tracing (in which case you'll either get Nvidia or wait until 9070xt) the 7900 xtx is a solid pick

[wise elbow]

pretty incredible how low of specs you can run ide and editor if you disable lumen lmao

[orchid iron]

Oh, I just don't even use an IDE lol

[wise elbow]

or at least global illumination

[orchid iron]

Old lighting systems were designed for what we call today "low end" but they remain quite good imo even today, age has refined them quite well

[torpid shadow]

i moved from a 2 year old 800$ (at time of purchase) horrible specs laptop to a 5 year old 3000$ (at time of purchase) with mid specs on windows 10. ram was the 1 issue and both systems had equal ram, the 2 yo laptop was on win11. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WINDOWS BRO, WINDOWS 11 USES LIKE HALF MY RAM!!!

[orchid iron]

Out of curiosity, what are the specs of both systems?

[torpid shadow]

laptop has similar specs to pc, pc is 16 gb ram, ryzen 7 2700, gtx 1660 ti.

but

[torpid shadow]

win10 uses about 1/5th of what windows 11 uses for me, that's what my point was

[orchid iron]

Yeah, a lot of stuff will come pre-install and running in the background, it is up to you to debloat it

[torpid shadow]

i just fw win10, it sounds cooler to say and frankly it's just peak optimization whilst having great qol.

[orchid iron]

So you haven't tried Linux or Mac

[orchid iron]

:3

[fresh fog]

It's also worth noting that a lot of the ram windows uses is just reserved stuff it relinquishes when things need it

[torpid shadow]

nope!

[torpid shadow]

but also, windows 11 has edge, copilot, and scrapes a lotta data, taking much more resources.

[orchid iron]

Data scraping doesn't take as much resources as you might think

[torpid shadow]

it takes a decent amount tho

compared to just

not data scraping

it's a solid like 1/4th to 1gb of ram from what i found

das a good amount

[orchid iron]

Hackers tried to steal all copilot data when it had weak security (might still have) and it only took a few seconds

@torpid shadow if you are that paranoid about data, you can look up windows image editors to remove its bloat or just use a good Linux Distro that's friendly to beginners like Nobara, Mint etc

Or sell both machines to get a Mac Mini

[torpid shadow]

naha fam, win10 :3

[orchid iron]

Then stop complaining? Windows 10 had such a large amount of spying and bloat compared to windows 7, but I don't see you claiming windows 7 is better

Oh right, it is you, I remember you xD
Still has much to learn about software and operating systems

well let's end the topic here, this is #hardware not #software

[torpid shadow]

i litterally said win10 was mildly better than windows 7 in another chat bro

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/RDr1pr_c6ts?si=oeOefi-KpzsF-lkx

[orchid iron]

Wow so much power for a 2 slot card, anyways where is that 4 slot design, I need that for no reason

If I don't see it in market in 10 years, I'll have to do it myself

[grave sundial]

All you need is 2 2-slot cards and super glue.

By the power of stickiness, there shall be FOUR!

[orchid iron]

But I want my 3/3 flow through card though xD

[grave sundial]

🤔 How about sticking 3 cards together and chopping the two ports off the third one?

By the way, are the 5 series cards giants?

[agile lodge]

windus or make sli

[grave sundial]

must use glue. glue ftw.

[orchid iron]

No, sadly only 2 slots...for the Founder Edition, a lot of board partners have straight up water cooled xD

[grave sundial]

I wonder when we'll miniaturise an air conditioner to cool GPUs.

It'd justify buying a 2.5KW UPS. 😄

By the way, Lab, the 7800x3Ds are back in the market in India. Roughly $520.

The 9800x3D is only a few dollars higher.

[wise elbow]

biggest selling point of the new cards is dlss 4. but that seems to be coming to previous generations anyway?

multi frame generation seems kinda useless?

at low base fps it's unbearable latency, and at high fps, why even turn it on?

[orchid iron]

Biggest selling point is AI

They just made up some features so that gamers think it was for them

[orchid iron]

Wow, didn't expect it to be back on stock so soon
And AMD ref said they didn't expect such a high demand of these x3d CPUs because they expected the competition to at least do decently

[grave sundial]

I hope the Amazon sellers didn't raid some old grannies' houses for their stock. 😓

[orchid iron]

The supply should increase overtime and be at an all time high in around 8 months

The x3d CPUs take longer to make than normal ones due to the additional complexity, but it is would of been nuts to somehow predict all those failures from intel 8 months ago

[wise elbow]

just in time for 10800x3d!

[orchid iron]

Bruh, you don't know AMD, it'll make the name sound way more retarded

[wise elbow]

9070xt already cemented that

[orchid iron]

Wait nvm, I forgot the new line up is like AI max+ or something

[orchid iron]

Look at AMD CPU and GPU past names on wiki

[wise elbow]

oh im aware

tbh a big reason I stuck with Intel and Nvidia is that I generally knew what I was buying just by looking

[orchid iron]

?

[wise elbow]

naming was easy

[orchid iron]

Intel yeah sure, they rarely upped the core count

But Nvidia was also inconsistent

[devout pendant]

What happened?????????????????? My screen turned off, then on, then off, and now I see an error message about Unsupported graphics card

I'm not doing anything using the GPU. I'm typing text.

[grave sundial]

Umm... your computer doesn't render graphics by magic. It needs a GPU, whether iGPU or dGPU, in a functioning condition.

Anyway, clean your PC, remove and reinsert your GPU, disconnect, clean, and reconnect the wires, and see if that helps.

If it's a laptop, clean the dust with a blower, and see if you can do a system restore / roll back graphics drivers via Safe Mode.

[devout pendant]

is this a sympthon of hardware failure?

[grave sundial]

Could be either hardware or software. Only one way to find out. Troubleshoot. Follow the steps I mentioned and we will see.

[devout pendant]

It's been some months that randomly and sparsely I noticed the HDR failing somehow, with the screen going super bright and displaying noticiable gradient banding. The fix is to plug and unplug the DP cable

[grave sundial]

sounds like a part of the hardware is failing. anyway, let us know if cleaning everything and restarting fixes the problem.

[devout pendant]

device manager is not displaying that Alert sign under the display adapter

[grave sundial]

So, you are able to boot into Windows?

Safe Mode or Normal?

[devout pendant]

I'm still typing the text

[grave sundial]

In Windows?

[devout pendant]

yes. I haven't rebooted yet

[grave sundial]

Then, it's probably a cable problem, DP port problem, or driver issue.

Is there any other DP port on your monitor and GPU that you can use?

If yes, then you can test using different DP ports. If the error doesn't recur, then it's not a cable issue but a faulty port.

[orchid iron]

likely a driver failure too

unplugging and plugin back the monitor may reset somethings, but i'd recommend doing a clean driver install (different from normal one since you make sure there aren't any conflicts

[mighty cosmos]

https://youtu.be/VWSlOC_jiLQ

[orchid iron]

Very based to not use AI feature of an AI card, we want raster perf, not fake frames

[torpid shadow]

yo guys can some1 value the parts of my pc here? i need to know becuase it was bought 5 years ago for 3000$ and i was able to value it at abt 750$ but i want a second opinion as i'm not knowledgable on pc's.

[torpid shadow]

i'd also like some recommendations for ddr4 2.5k mhz ish ram, as i really need this upgraded.

i am running like 70 fps in lit editor, but i should truthfully run a fuckton more off of just the ram limitations alone.

and like i said, this is a REALLY old pc in terms of when it was made.

[fresh fog]

Did you build it, or buy it rebuilt from a private seller?

The majority of your parts new don't even crack 1k, so if I was selling the system used and it's in good condition I'd probably place it around $400-$500

[orchid iron]

Same, also unless you are overcloking the ram, any ddr4 modules would do

[orchid iron]

Hopefully it had a tone of RGB and is Hella good looking, because there is nothing from what we see that'd make your pc go over 2k USD even 5 years ago

[torpid shadow]

it's near box-fresh and i've only used it for abt 1/4th of a year

[torpid shadow]

it's as bland as a nzxt case, i specifically wanted that cuz parents were hella homophobic back then and i didnt want them to think i was gay :/

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLGJhTePLIE

here is something will make them confident in your straightness

[torpid shadow]

lmao

[torpid shadow]

so i'm assuming 5k+?

we used to have good money but trumps enactments wrecked my dads job and his pay was cut, house morgage was heavily raised, and much much more...

[orchid iron]

wait, did he worked in DEI offices?

[torpid shadow]

nah, he was in furniture, and they were forced into near bankrupcy and sold off to a megacorperation :/

[orchid iron]

ah gotcha, well the good news is that even the current pc you have will allow you to do unreal engine for a long time, as long as you lower unnecessary expectations

[torpid shadow]

all my expectations are unnessecary fam 😭

[orchid iron]

you can expect unreal engine 5.5.1 to run on your machine at least ^^

[torpid shadow]

i run 5.4.4

:3

i prefer it ngl

[wise elbow]

yeah no offense but that's probably worth like 200 or 300 dollars used

id probably try and find whatever ram kit you currently have and just buy the same thing again. you have 2 open slots

16gb of ddr4 should be cheaper than dirt

[torpid shadow]

i've legit got no money mannnnn, i'm a fuckin fetus and it only takes 2 more slots... i was thinking 2 2x8 gb ram cards but that's 60$ which isn't expendable to me rn :<

[orchid iron]

buddy, I also got 16 gb of RAM, and that doesn't stop me from developing, you'll earn money from working irl (unless you are underage, in which case, just be nice to your parents until they give you a nice birthday/christmas present)

[torpid shadow]

my family cant buy the ram either fam

and im underage

[violet spade]

Time for BM to break the piggy bank again? 😀

[violet spade]

Skill issue 🙃

[torpid shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-stfu-disposable-meta-meme-gif-15035399239331114827

[plush turret]

im over age and still financially stunted

its a skill to learn how to make do

walk dogs, sit babies, theres tons of jobs to do

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BYP5CZY/ anyone able to help me find the dimensions of these? i cant seem to

[fallen oasis]

You could gestimate it based on the known size of an rj45 port.

[plush turret]

i wanna put them in a box, and see if i need to buy this $25 box or a $45 box

[fallen oasis]

You could try asking on teh product page on amazon?

(the on you linked)

[plush turret]

mainly need to be sure that the whole thing + wiring will fit this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CKZ34N8L/?th=1

am i likely to run into airflow problems?

I can make some better airflow openings if needed. i mainly wanna use this for dust protection

[fallen oasis]

They have this set up, so maybe not?

Also if you look at the "package size" - the entire package would fit in the box. And it's bound to be smaller than the package itself.

[plush turret]

true

given theres 2

[fallen oasis]

Whether 2 of them would fit is another question.

[plush turret]

though the weird LC to STP adaptor might be the issue

i just need the one

the other converter will be inside an old server box with my other stuff in signifigantly more climate controlled space

theres always the slightly more expensive 9x11

should be big enough

but its going to kinda look like trash

price of good wifi

[mighty cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-affleck-thinking-thoughts-serious-hello-darkness-my-old-friend-gif-17677812

[agile lodge]

having rack to put those

[torpid shadow]

alsoooo, this is completely off fam 😆 i did some research on my pc's parts and even used, it's abt 500$-600$ so my shitty estimate of 750$ wasn't too far off!!

[nimble hare]

Hey, hope this fits here

I want to upgrade my GPU. Currently sporting a 2070 super and I'm looking at the 5080/5070 TI and the 4090

Y'all think it's better to go with the 4090 for the 24GB vram or the newer 5080 with "only" 16GB
I know nvidia will probably release a 5080 TI or super at some point that probably also has 24GB, but that will probably still take a good bit, right?

I'm doing generally allrounder work in Unreal - materials, some blueprinting, environments + lighting,..., so vram is probably the most important for me

[orchid iron]

It depends if you are able to find a 4090 for under 2000 USD even used, the prices for the 4090 are very unfair

The 5090 will have basically no stock so prices for that will also be unfair

I'd look at the 4080 super, 5080 or the 7900 xtx

[nimble hare]

I see, thank you so much!

[orchid iron]

If you can wait until this march you'll have the option to get the 9070xt from AMD which will likely outmatch most 16gb cards in the market

[nimble hare]

That's good to know, gonna look at that one
I have to admit I only looked at nvidia

[orchid iron]

The 7900 xtx has 24gb of vram, the 7900 xt has 20gb and the 7800 xt has 16

And unlike Nvidia, has actually good prices for its performance

[orchid iron]

This is ummm, slightly concerning, man I sure hope they were well stress tested in labs

[grave sundial]

This explains why small modular nuclear reactors are becoming popular.

[orchid iron]

soon the GPU will have its own PSU seperated from the system PSU

[frank glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMLzpHyMw1k

[plush turret]

thorium supremacy

[grave sundial]

I bet insurance companies will steer clear of houses that have SMRs. 😄

[median marsh]

afaik home reactors existed 70 years ago

[wise elbow]

i don't think there's ever been home reactors

and thorium is of the bad

smrs pretty cool though. hope the US actually builds one...

[wise elbow]

someone can get a new PC for that cost

[torpid shadow]

i know, this is literally abt mint condition along with a very dust free environment ect ect ect, basically it's very clean

[plush turret]

wait i can power my pc with a backyard nuclear reactor?

tbh id enjoy that

wasnt planning on having kids anyways

[wise elbow]

i wish

[naive cloak]

what is going on? youtube started recommending me videos from all the shills about how 5090 can be overclocked lol

they cant show actual performance and already skipped to "overclocking" how stupid they think we are?

[wise elbow]

fe edition (not overclocked) real performance is already out

[naive cloak]

they think I will belive them that Nvidia made very powerful card and then decided to nerf it becuase they got scared how good and powerful it came out?

every tech youtuber with more than 10k subscribers should not be trusted... they all shills

[wise elbow]

i really only trust a few channels

[naive cloak]

you should not...

[wise elbow]

very few of them do testing in any consistent manner so their data is useless

[naive cloak]

with all the "info" available on the web one may think its possible to find real data, instead we can only find paid content

[wise elbow]

tbh id say really the only channel I trust is gamers Nexus since they don't do paid reviews

[naive cloak]

the problem is that channels like that get paid from content, and to make content they need tech, so no matter what they do/say they still rely on tech companies and have to try to stay on that thin line where they can stay kind of truthful to the viewers but also have to keep relations with the tech companies

[wise elbow]

they have openly burned bridges with basically every tech company

[naive cloak]

then I hope Gamer Nexus is strong enough to deal with all the powerful enemies that they got

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D99XR3HJ/ whats the max data speed i can get out of this?

cant seem to find any data

I know the emitters usually deal with the speed, but is there a maxed one i can get through this?

[torpid shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/missile-cat-cat-meme-gif-5866961889994525776

[forest jay]

Is it possible to install 3 48 gig ram or 2 48 gig and one 64?

[naive cloak]

in reviews someone said "Tested at the 10GbE speeds and performed perfectly."

product page says "Data transmission: Our outdoor fiber optic cable is designed for high-speed data transmission and supports Ethernet connections up to 10G/40G/100G.* 🤔

[plush turret]

100gigbit?

so basically whatever i can put in it i can use?

fully future proof?

[forest jay]

I have the msi z790 tomahawk it’s weird to me because specs say memory storage capacity 256 while ram maximum size is 128. I assume that means 4 64s or 2 128s but can’t mix up right ?

[plush turret]

i mean if im going to bury it, will i likely need to relay new wire for better speed in the future?

say 10-20 years

[naive cloak]

I would use some kind of conduit and run the wire inside it, also will leave room to add more wires if needed...

[fresh fog]

Don't mix RAM and always run an even number of sticks

[plush turret]

im running 2x 32. never really had any problems

unless im playing some stupidly mod heavy minecraft game

but at that point its just a level of optimization

[plush turret]

isnt there also like a 128gb ram limit for most commercial CPU's

[delicate crystal]

I hope not because im looking to add 256 to my system

[plush turret]

i know some like threadrippers have a higher amount

but check your CPU

my 12700k has 128 max

[plush turret]

i have mixed ram on my old as fck server test rig, and its only an occasional problem

usually with games were testing

[median marsh]

yea, but i think most DDR5 systems now support 192GB?

[mighty cosmos]

yes

tho try and run more than 128GB DDR5 and you can pretty much expect to be running the memory at stock speeds

[orchid iron]

Chad guy

[orchid iron]

Yes it is possible, would you want that... No not really due to the strong penalties from it

So saying this for commercial consumers ( creed you aren't a normal consumer with that threadripper of yours )

On ddr5 max size per stick is currently 48gb soon 64gb but likely going to be unstable

You can mix ram, you can have 4 different sticks of completely different brands because at the end of the day, all of them are ddr5 sticks, however the cost of that is that you'll very likely run them at stock 4800 speed with the highest latency of all 4 if you want a stable system

Now you could tweak and test for which settings are stable, after all because the CPU memory controller is dual channel, you could have 2 sets of 2 ram sticks with same settings in the same set, but different in between sets

Overall, you'd sacrifice quite a bit of performance from being able to run the ram above 4800, since 6000 is the sweet spot for am5 currently and 8000 for latest intel platform

Dunno the speeds for the 14th gen, I just saw a lot of YouTubers test it with 8000

[plush turret]

im happy with my 5200

i think my server desktop has... like 3200?

its all DDR3

[orchid iron]

Oh right, Intel 14th gen only supports up to 4400 dual stick on a 4 slot mobo xD

[plush turret]

i really need to upgrade my test server rig

it has a $30 CPU in it 😂

but hey, if it can handle the load, then any modern server hardware can right?

[orchid iron]

Famous last words of 13900k and 14900k server owners

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-A4-7300-Processor-Graphics-AD7300OKHLBOX/dp/B00MU00HGK

my testing CPU

[orchid iron]

You could put 2 websites on there

Call it "Hawke Hosting"

Boom, 8$ per month

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/jk-cat-huge-cat-fat-cat-cant-go-out-gif-13486762

user data trying hard

my testing pc is a frankinbot

its a bunch of randomly cobbled together bits i collected in highschool

[orchid iron]

Shhhhh, let them subscribe to a nonrefundable service for s year first

[plush turret]

my rule is if a game can run on that rig, it can run on almost any real users pc

it was trash when i built it

its lower now

[orchid iron]

I'd have tried on my current game development machine...6th gen with a Nvidia 960

[plush turret]

oh thats like a decade better

no GPU in mine

just an ancient AMD igpu

[orchid iron]

Yeah, maybe upgrade to intel HD 5000

[plush turret]

which apparently takes up a whole core

when you look at task manager it says only 2 logic processors

[orchid iron]

No GPU?

[plush turret]

nope

just that CPU and 12gb of ddr3 raw dogging whatever game i try and run

[orchid iron]

I think task manager doesn't know how tf you are having any display

[plush turret]

it works

[orchid iron]

Bro magic 🪄

[plush turret]

the CPU has an integraded graphics

radeon 8

[orchid iron]

An iGPU is still a GPU of some kind

[plush turret]

there no like actual seperated GPU

its just whatever that poor cpu can do

and i run unreal 5 games on it

[orchid iron]

Man, now I want to try that

[plush turret]

it makes an EXCELENT space heater

the case is actually bigger than the one my main rig is in

[orchid iron]

It makes heat with 2 cores?

[plush turret]

apparently

i abuse the SNOT out of it

and it hasnt had a restart in 9 months

[orchid iron]

It runs windows 10?

[plush turret]

yep

[orchid iron]

How tf Microsoft allowed that

[plush turret]

no clue

but ill abuse it until it dies

then ill try and fix it

if i cant, ill retire it in fire, and buy a new one

probably slap a 12th gen i5 in it and keep using that till 2038

[orchid iron]

Can I get it for free if it breaks xD

[plush turret]

if your ok paying shipping, sure

[orchid iron]

Are you in US?

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-boy-cowboy-gif-14329524169339301971

[orchid iron]

Alright, maybe the shipping prices are a bit high, how much does it weight

[plush turret]

12-16 pounds?

its just bulky

[orchid iron]

I'll check later

[plush turret]

micro pc capabilities, in a full ATX case

ill probably replace it with one of these little bastrds https://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-7050-Micro-Bit-Multi-Language/dp/B08GCX4JKJ/

the point of the testing pc is to see the game run at minimum specs, put through paces and see if it has errors on pretty crappy tech

its how we found my first game apparently ran out of graphics memory on anything without a dedicated GPU if you fired the minigun and a landmine went off

[naive cloak]

lol when that kid did that I was afraid his thin legs will snap 🫣 😰

[wise elbow]

my laptop has 3 different dimms from 3 different manufacturers and different speeds

running 3 sticks will run hybrid single and dual channel, so in between speed of those two

it's really only an issue with ddr5 I think because it's so hard to get it fucking stable on certain CPU/mobo combos

but it seems pretty common to not even post with 2x32 ddr5 6000 cl30 with a x3d CPU and a good mobo which is just stupid

[orchid iron]

I asked a question to AMD about speeds and timing, and they basically replied that anything that's not stock settings is considered an overclock

So it depends on how well the mobo bios and ram sticks work together

[wise elbow]

yeah but basically EVERYONE overclocks ram now

an overclock to anyone else is pushing beyond the advertised memory speed

if i buy ddr5 6000 i expect it to run

[mighty cosmos]

32GB is gonna be high capacity (dual rank) modules which are stupid hard to get stable, can forget about the xmp/expo profiles

[mighty patrol]

I had issues myself on ddr5 6000 for a bit till I disabled c-state power management setting in bios.

[orchid iron]

no, you have advertised speeds and standard ddr5 speeds

The advertised speed will work, provided the mobo is compatible with the kit (each mobo has a list of supported kits of ram with their unit numbers)

The standard ddr5 will work no matter what

(unless it is 13th or 14th gen, because apparently when the mobo has 4 slots, the max supported speed by cpu is 4400)

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ZZzd62ccy7Q

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iSfBWJlTdR8#

So AI that means that AI the pcie 5.0 AI is mostly for AI bandwidth specific AI workloads, although AI perhaps now people AI won't complain as much because AI of the 8gb 5060 AI if it is 8gb AI, it might be 12 gb like the AI 3060

[grave sundial]

I bought the Corsair Vengeance 32x2 for my PC. Runs at 6,000 MHz with the Expo profile. My machine is blessed. No problems at all, so far. Of course, I keep that Mem learning or something feature turned off. I can wait 20 seconds for POST to finish once a day.

[mighty cosmos]

Have you ran memory tests?

2x32GB can still be ok but 4x32GB probably won't be running at more than 5000mhz

I ended up getting pretty much the highest end MB you can for the 9950x and 128GB and 4800-5000 is the highest I could get it stable with with actually passing 12+ hour mem tests

I can get like 5500 to boot but it will fail mem tests within an hour or less, so there would be a chance of it randomly causing errors under normal use

[grave sundial]

I ran A - just one - mem test in the very beginning, a few months ago, when I installed them. No probs.

You're right. I stayed away from 4 sticks for that reason, AND because 4 sticks limits the MHz.

I guess my devotion to the Emperor of Man blessed my PC with Holy Resilience.

I have forgotten a lot of what I read at the time, but many users were having trouble after enabling - memory training, or some such BIOS feature - to reduce their POST times.

I just kept that turned off.

20 seconds to POST doesn't lose me anything in my daily life. 😄

[mighty cosmos]

At least there is not too significant of a performance boost once you are past 5000

The most significant is from stock to around 5000mhz

[grave sundial]

Yeah. I think for MOST uses, (manual) overclocking is pointless.

You have to be an extremely productive guy to see positive gains from it.

Also, bragging rights.

I am neither extremely productive, nor all that interested in the latter.

[mighty cosmos]

I wouldn't OC someone's ddr5 if they paid me to do it after losing my sanity with mine 😂

Getting it stable was as close at it gets to torture

[grave sundial]

I would if they agreed to pay outrageous amounts.

Like $5,000.

[shrewd trail]

This stuff is annoying

when are cpus with l4 cache coming out

[orchid iron]

It is why the x3d chips are so good, it is L3 but bigger

Soon, we'll have 3d L3 cache on GPUs

https://youtube.com/shorts/FDKo5NDbxts?si=bfooZ63wjigrExUn

[shrewd trail]

oh really

did nvidia/amd/intel patent x3d on gpus?

or smt

[orchid iron]

It is really likely that it'll come with UDNA 1

Also high end for UDNA 1 is also likely, so we may have a really strong competition for 5090 and 6090

Plus 3G gddr memory chips are almost done cooking, so soon we'll have up to 48gb of vram in high end GPUs

(the 5090 uses 2G still)

[shrewd trail]

48gb of vram lol

what do we do with that

tbh if games want to push into actual photorealism

we will need like 16k+ ai generated textures

or AI polished

now that pathtracing is slowly becoming closer to cost of raster, the geometry and textures have to go forward

[shrewd trail]

I can imagine that it will help a lot

and even more so with pathtracing

irrc pathtracing has to keep track of a lot of stuff in memory

[orchid iron]

High end cards of around 10 years ago used to have 8 gb of VRAM

Now we complain when low end has 8 gb xD

[shrewd trail]

I mean

its just a scamm

the memory is not that expensive

to put 16gb on 5080

some games are already maxing out 16gb

[orchid iron]

Gddr7 is

[shrewd trail]

for nvidia? no

[orchid iron]

True, they may have deals

[orchid iron]

New Doom game needs 16gb minimum for it's best experience

[shrewd trail]

nvidia operates at higher scale than amd

and amd puts more memory into their equivalent gpus

while the gpus cost less

[shrewd trail]

they have to be packing some serious textures

[orchid iron]

Probably

[silver geyser]

Hello there, we all know that a lot of games runs better on AMD 3D V cache processor's but does it provides a better performance when you are running the Unreal Engine editor? I still not sure which option I should get... The 265K or the 9800X3D 🤔

[grave sundial]

As far as I know, not really. The 3D V cache, from what I've read, mostly benefits games.

[orchid iron]

There is no world where the Intel arrow lake should be considered, it is really bad for its price

[grave sundial]

That doesn't mean the processor itself doesn't run UE well.

There are benchmarks you can check, I am sure.

[orchid iron]

I mean yeah, but if you wanted a good processor, would you think:"Ah yes, Intel's latest generation is surely good"

[grave sundial]

No.

Definitely not.

[orchid iron]

Exactly

[grave sundial]

That comment was supposed to be nestled with the earlier one.

But j00 typed in between!!! ✊

Puget Systems has made benchmarks for Unreal Engine with several CPUs.

@orchid iron Are you upgrading or buying new hardware?

[orchid iron]

Bought all my hardware already, I'm just in a complicated situation where I can't use it

[grave sundial]

Because it was impounded for smuggling rare artefacts nestled in the CPU cabinet?

[orchid iron]

?

[grave sundial]

What's the difficult situation?

[orchid iron]

No ground and can't install ground

[grave sundial]

Urf.

[orchid iron]

Dude I was so bitter sweet when that happened, 3000€ worth of components sitting on a table

And they'll sit there for months

[grave sundial]

Oh, I understand completely.

I was delayed by weeks for similar electrical reasons.

[silver geyser]

Haha ok thanks

[orchid iron]

Even Intel 13th and 14th gen, I'd recommend only if you know how to tweak some settings

[violet spade]

You would recommend 14th gen? 😁

[orchid iron]

Yeah, it is a great gen, you just have to make sure to not fry the ring bus with elevated voltage

[violet spade]

Right, just that small caveat lol

[orchid iron]

Which, is far more abstract to do than undervolting it

[frank glade]

back in my day they just hooked a cable to the pipes in the building

[naive cloak]

not all buildings use copper/metal pipes

[orchid iron]

can't install ground because I'm a tenet and landlord doesn't want, and whatever is on the grid is unsafe because the grid is from 1990

[frank glade]

I lived in a house for years with no ground. Only issue was touching the washing machine metal parts (sometimes)...after discovering that we fixed the grounding and it stopped

[orchid iron]

I got a 1600w PSU, so if the electricity ever leaks, it won't trigger the breaker and there is no ground as a fail safe

[timber cobalt]

just a note: electricity leak would not trip the breaker, but the GFCI

but it is surely not installed if there is no ground

is not there any law that the landlord has to make the flat up to the code if there is tennants?

I mean if there is, then it is not really about what s/he wants but what s/he has to do.

[plush turret]

you know you can fairly easily ground stuff

might not be "safe" or "to code" but really all you need is to connect the ground wire that should be in anything since the 50's to a big metal pole stuck in the dirt

dunno about where you live, but people cant legally reside in a house that isnt grounded in texas

[delicate crystal]

your landlord doesn't want the electrical to have a ground in his building? That place sounds like a fire hazard. Hope his insurance is paid up

[orchid iron]

doesn't care about much, very greedy

[delicate crystal]

welp if you can, I'd look at moving. That place is a bonfire waiting to happen. And if it's in the US, that guy's going to get sued into space when it does

[orchid iron]

he is getting sued, by us xD

[plush turret]

and you can sic the state on him

alongside the city and county

[orchid iron]

done

[plush turret]

also you could technically include in the suit mental anguish damages caused by the fact its rightly horrifying to not only be forced to live in an unsafe house, but that he both refused to make it safe, or let you make it safe.

new PC and car money

[mint oasis]

just joined, so hello everyone! I have a question that i've tried to google with very little actual developer input. I'm looking to upgrade my ryzen 7 3800x to either a ryzen 7 5800x3d or 5950x, which one is better for development, with gaming being second. TIA (not in voice channel)

[fresh fog]

double the core count is always going to be the win for me

If I'm not mistaken the x3d is mainly for gaming anyway, and not awfully amazing

you'll see great benefit from the cores if you're compiling code, especially if you give it enough RAM to breathe

[mighty cosmos]

imo 5950x would be a better option, it's gonna be much faster at compiling code, shaders, etc... thanks to extra cores

[wise elbow]

def 5950x

double the core count will literally double performance in things that use the cores

[median marsh]

what if he doesn't do them often? :>

[wise elbow]

seemed like the desire was development first, gaming second

[shrewd trail]

yea but rememeber that you need 24GB of avaiable ram to use those cores

so 64gb system ram, otherwise you will never use those cores

[orchid iron]

Oh don't worry, there is way more very unsafe things that was added, in fact the law suit wasn't even started because of the electrical thing, we only learned about no grounds months after xD

[plush turret]

gonna come out with a mini mansion

[orchid iron]

House prices are insane here sadly, so renting will be the only option even after winning it

[orchid iron]

16 cores remain way better than 8 with more cache, also it is their first generation cache, meaning it is on top of the die, which greatly reduce the cooling potential, so that extra cache comes at the cost of performance (but for gaming it doesn't matter because it benefits way more from the extra cache than the lost performance) however for productivity you want performance first and then cache second

Also as a general rule of coding, if you are compiling, you should have 2gb of ram per thread, and since you have 32 threads on the 5950x (2 threads per core), 64gb is the minimum you should have to really use the 5950x to its full potential (it is not a requirement though, you can use it with 16gb of ram and upgrade the ram later)

[orchid iron]

fun fact, ARM used to be called Advanced RISC Machines, because ARM is RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computer)

[naive cloak]

I always thought it was called ARM as in "costs an ARM and a leg"

[mint oasis]

awesome im currently sitting at 48gb ram(someone gave me some assorted sticks of memory) i plan on changing the two 8gb i have for two 16gb as soon as money allows, along with hopefully getting the cpu. Then comes the eventual gpu upgrade, currently using msi rtx 2070 which has still done pretty good.

thanks for everyone's input, definitely going for 5950x

[delicate crystal]

so found my board wont support over 128gb. Not surprise, but am a bit disapointed

wondering if i should just upgrade to 128, or look into upgrading the board, and hence the cpu and what not

[wise elbow]

what do you use your PC for?

[delicate crystal]

currently software development and gaming really.

[orchid iron]

how did you find out?

[delicate crystal]

Talked to the store that sold.it to me

Was getting an estimate for some othet purchases

[orchid iron]

didn't msi tell you a bios update would bring it to 256gb?

[delicate crystal]

ya that's what I thought to. Keep geting different stories from different sources. I mean i trust these guys I've been delaing with them my whole life. Just seems weird

[orchid iron]

then try putting slightly over 128gb like 128 + one extra stick and see if it posts

[wise elbow]

maybe a limitation of that specific cpus memory controller?

[orchid iron]

they all have same imc

[orchid iron]

worst case senario you end up with an extra ddr4 ram stick

[delicate crystal]

Add to tge pile.of stuff

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ykphZyNuCrY

WE GOT THE 5 HOUR VERSION YEAHHHH

[silver geyser]

Hello there! what do you guys think... Should i grab the 9800X3D today or wait for the 9900X3D... does the extra 4 cores makes it worth the price charged for it or the 8C/16T of the 9800 should be enough to work with Unreal for some time ?

[plush turret]

Would a 5060 be better at Ai work than a 12gb 3060?

[orchid iron]

very likely

[orchid iron]

if you really enjoy gaming get the 9800x3d ^^
Otherwise, look at prices of the 7950x, are they close to the 9800x3d?

[wise elbow]

9900x3d will likely be worse than the 9800x3d for gaming. if you need the extra cores for something else though get the 9900x3d.
9950x3d will likely be the same as 9800x3d for gaming and have more cores than the 9900x3d, will just cost more

also yeah the 7950x or x3d are also options

[wise elbow]

i think the low vram of both is going to be really limiting

8gb sounds kinda useless for ai

[orchid iron]

soure of 5060 specs?

[wise elbow]

it's just leaks

i can try and find the page; all of the leaks have been true so far

[orchid iron]

yup, and nvidia could just change it or those may just be 5060 laptop leaks

[wise elbow]

i would be shocked if 5060 had more than 8gb though since the 5070 only has 12

[orchid iron]

maybe they'll unlaunch the 5070 xD

[wise elbow]

tbh the only remotely appealing card looks like the 5070ti. and haven't even seen benchmarks yet...

[orchid iron]

lower bit bus than the 5080 even though they have same memory size

[wise elbow]

I thought they were the same

[orchid iron]

they should be the same, but nvidia had other ideas

[wise elbow]

seems like they're both 256bit

[orchid iron]

wait oh, that was a typo then, CES notes had them at the wrong bit bus

I thought that was so weird that they'd have different bit bus

[wise elbow]

would've made sense TBH since it would match the 5070. but the 5070 and 5070ti aren't even remotely related

[orchid iron]

they said the 5070 would have a 128 bit bus

like really weird specs let me find them

[wise elbow]

holy dogshit

[orchid iron]

okay couldn't find it, idk how I ever thought they'd have such weird bit bus

nvm, it was the memory bandwidth (at the bottom)

the memory bandwidth is different between the 5080 and the 5070 Ti

[violet spade]

GN’s 5080 review came out

Considering the gap between it and the 5090 is massive and that it is not actually beating the 4090 on the benchmarks, idk why Jensen thought it as a good idea to say you can get a 5070 for the same perf of a 4090

[orchid iron]

is it zen5% all over again but for nvidia GPUs?

also, an open source AI killing all closed source AI hype (like open AI which was supposed to be open...) will likely impact nvidia GPU prices, especially after they lost a sweden GDP amount of money

[plush turret]

Lol

Yeah that ai is why i was asking

Me and some friends wanna see if we can turn some of it using home assistant into essentially a jarvis for smart homes

But you know, not spending a lot of money on it

Hobby project

[worldly kettle]

i'm running deepseek 8b on a 4090 and it fits in 18gb, 14b might not fit, but could fit in a 5090, so there's that

[orchid iron]

you can turn a 3060 into that using a low end deepseek model, won't be as precise for specific questions, but it'll work

[plush turret]

Yeah not needing more than simple conversations on the alexa level

[plush turret]

whats special about port #5?

the manual just calls it the link port

[median marsh]

guess that's the one you should use when linking multiple of those things together

might have higher bandwidth or whatever

[plush turret]

ah

so id need more than these if i want to hook up an in and 4 outs

[median marsh]

no

that port works as normal port, too

if it even is a specific link port, and not something they had to do for other reasons

link/act is just describing what the LED indicates

[plush turret]

hm

time to test

[timber cobalt]

Back then the link port were special as far as I remember and a crosslinked cable was necessary. But then the ports started to support the crosslinking automatically and became maybe some legacy stuff.

[median marsh]

could still be 2.5gbit link port while the switch itself is 1gbit 🤷

but then... it's tp-link and not 3com or similar 😄

[timber cobalt]

Anything is possible :D

[orchid iron]

Do GPU only cases exist? I wanna drive and use my PC when I stop the vehicle, but with a pretty beefy GPU in the computer case, I'd rather connect the GPU and the computer with a riser cable and put the GPU outside into a small case so that even on bumpy roads it couldn't just crack itself on the PCIE connection

[frank glade]

Upwards of 3000 euros for 5090s in eu

A bargain

[naive cloak]

you use fiber or cat6?

[orchid iron]

5090 ❌
4090 ti super ✅

[median marsh]

yea, somehow i get the feeling that nvidia did send 20 gpu's to EU and called it a day

even for a 3090TI dealers here want more than 5090 msrp 😄

[naive cloak]

you expect to find 5090 on Amazon? 🤣 🥲

[delicate crystal]

Jesus 3400 for a 5090 here. ANd that's by Zotac (who?)

4090's are ~2700

Could do an SLI bridge with two 12GB cards for 900 bucks and have the same vram

[wise elbow]

immediately sold out in us several seconds after going up on sale

[grave sundial]

A company based out of Hong Kong.
They customise stuff decently.

And somehow, their stuff is lower priced sometimes.

[mighty cosmos]

Zotac is good

[wise elbow]

reliable but usually not preferred to cards from the big 3 I think

nowadays every card is fine so always whatever is cheapest 🤷‍♂️

[delicate crystal]

throwing this out there; what would be better, one card at 24GB, or two 12's with a Crossfire bridge?

[wise elbow]

for what use

[delicate crystal]

game and video development, possibly high end 4k textures, etc

[wise elbow]

i didn't even know crossfire was supported on modern cards tbh

[delicate crystal]

probably isn't. MOre just a hypothetical though

[grave sundial]

If you're using one software with both, then compatibility is the issue.
If you want to use separate software with each, then it'd be dandy.

[delicate crystal]

mainly came up due to seeing two 12gb cards for 900 total, but one 24 card is 2700

[grave sundial]

There're apps that let you bind specific CPUs and GPUs to specific applications.

Gotta love open source devs.

[wise elbow]

doesn't 7900xtx have 24gb?

[mighty cosmos]

it does

[wise elbow]

probably better off with 1 card though I guess it depends on what you were looking at?

[orchid iron]

one card at 24gb, all day everyday, latency will be needlessly high, and power consumption will be way higher due to longer distance that the data has to travel

also, I'm pretty sure consumer GPUs that support SLI / Crossfire only have up to 8gb ram each, plus it isn't like 8+8 gb or 8+8+8 gb in total, all cards will have duplicate data to make frames in between each other, so you still end up with 2 cards at 12gb that can't really benefit from the other card's storage

[median marsh]

Zotac is around for ages, i think they started off with cpu/gpu coolers and later expanded their business

[median marsh]

living up to their company name

[coral basalt]

I had a zotac 9800 gt

But back then I had really bad airflow so it was always 100+ degrees but it ran sniper elite 3 so that's good

[frank glade]

Only a few years until 9080s again

[wise elbow]

guess il wait for a 6090

[orchid iron]

I prefer a 9060

[naive cloak]

if people will grow brains and stop buying overpriced Nvidia cards you will see how cards will appear in stock and prices will go to normal and everyone will be able to buy 🤷‍♂️

[orchid iron]

So basically buy a 9060 instead of latest cards xD

[naive cloak]

Nvidia do this on purpose

Artificial scarcity is scarcity of items despite the technology for production or the sufficient capacity for sharing. The most common causes are monopoly pricing structures, such as those enabled by laws that restrict competition or by high fixed costs in a particular marketplace.

[orchid iron]

So true

But this allows AMD to delay their launch and refine their GPUs even more so that when NVIDIA GPU stocks become normal, all these nice RDNA 4 GPUs will already be there

[grave sundial]

I bet some Chinese manufacturer will release a DIY opensource GPU.

1,000 instructions to assemble your own biscuit GPU.

DeepGame 5000

[frank glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7rce6IQDWs

[grave sundial]

Wouldn't it be cool if we could do RTX and next generation RTY at the price of $100? 😄

[orchid iron]

Risc V GPUs are slowly growing, so one day maybe, but we'd also need fabs to make them

[wise elbow]

i doubt we'll see nvidia cards drop meaningfully in price anytime soon

price of gpu manufacturing has genuinely gone up to a degree, they have no real competition in the high-end, and their entire business is basically just AI at this point. gpu sales are not their priority sadly

i really hope AMD releases cards that are substantially cheaper than nvidia with similar or identical feature sets, but time after time again has proven that AMD will fuck up their launch despite offering good products

cards like the 7800xt and 7900xtx were really good products in their price range, considering they were the only products in those ranges

after they dropped price after lanuch*

[naive cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q_TqzauirM

if AMD products are good why it matters how the launch was?

[orchid iron]

they've been getting around 1% gains per month simply on driver optimisation, intel knows how important it is for drivers to be ready for a launch

[wise elbow]

they havent been cheap enough at launch to be worth going over nvidia. 50 dollars isn't really going to change anyone's mind about going from nvidia to amd.
but when they drop the price 150 dollars its much more appealing

[naive cloak]

but its impossible to buy Nvidia and if yes it will be higher than msrp, and for some reason Nvidia cards prices dont drop, even get higher as the card gets older 🤦‍♂️

[median marsh]

7900XTX had a offer for 800 bucks today, which is like 15% under it's normal price

i don't even get why people still buy nvidia, the 7900XTX seems to offer good performance?!

[wise elbow]

7900xtx performs similar to 5080

it only falls behind in raytracing (rather significantly) and software support

fsr 3 is pretty ass compared to dlss 4

[naive cloak]

afaik Nvidia is better for AI stuff

[wise elbow]

definitely

though i think its questionable if a gpu is useful for ai at anything other than the super high-end

[median marsh]

i'm fine with a 3060 for some LLM/StableDiffusion messing

it's fun for a while but especially for SD you rather might pay a bit for midjourney instead of the nvidia tax

[mighty cosmos]

I mainly use MJ because nothing can really even compete with them, MJ is on a whole another level when it comes to pure quality

[naive cloak]

I wanted to convert my avatar to photo to see what it will look like lol, tried to use stable diffusion web UI but I have AMD Radeon 620 so I have to wait for 30 minutes for each generation on CPU

[violet spade]

Why would NVidia try to buy its own cards tho? Could be real but sounds more like tinfoil stories

Problem was it was a paper launch with only like 300 cards released in the whole US, based on GN’s research

[median marsh]

that wasn't the idea behind it

they used nvidia as origin to make their requests look like they came from the official shop

[violet spade]

And?

[median marsh]

but i kind of doubt that this story is 100% accurate, i think nvidia doesn't resell 3rd party boards

[violet spade]

Why would that allow it to happen 40mins earlier than launch

[wise elbow]

developer incompetence?

[median marsh]

because it probably just drops the order into a database together with which product was ordered

[violet spade]

Idk, I don’t place much stock in random YouTube comment stories from a guy that knows a guy

[median marsh]

it sounds plausible tho

[wise elbow]

the nvidia storefront has links to buy cards from elsewhere but i'd be really really surprised if their API allows full purchase of something and not just authentication on the sellers website from a private link

[violet spade]

Either way, it’s a ridiculous launch

[median marsh]

all of them redirect me to the dealer website

[wise elbow]

bots or not there just werent nearly enough cards for launch demand

[median marsh]

so nvidia is NOT reselling through their own store

[wise elbow]

yeah

[violet spade]

Roughly 50% less than the 4090 launch on the integrator side

[median marsh]

but i think the story may just not be 100% what happened, i think it's more likely that the scalpers ordered FE cards directly from nvidia through the API

before the product was listed in the products page

[wise elbow]

likely

[violet spade]

Yeah that I could see

[wise elbow]

the actual website was down for like 12+ hours so no one could order one through the interface

[mighty patrol]

Bestbuy had issues too didnt it?

Sold out without a minute lol

[wise elbow]

bestbuy didnt go down but there were so many people in the queue to buy something that it would just kick you out

[median marsh]

all of them probably have because people use bots, it's pretty much a DDOS 😄

[wise elbow]

me and a friend clicked add to cart seconds after the listing went live and got booted out due to errors

[mighty patrol]

There needs to be laws to ban bots to buy things.

[wise elbow]

i dont think it was even bots

[mighty patrol]

Shits silly

[violet spade]

lol Jensen is pretty much like “We’re gonna make it cost a fortune and release it whenever we want but you’ll buy it anyways you plebs”

[median marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMd2WHKnceI

[violet spade]

Yeah that’s where I got my data points

[wise elbow]

i have a 10 series card, lol

[mighty patrol]

Same

[wise elbow]

though i dont understand people who upgrade every generation. seems wasteful

[mighty patrol]

To the data points part

[violet spade]

Ha, I have 20 series so I win

[median marsh]

the 5090 is really interesting tho

[violet spade]

@mighty cosmos

[median marsh]

might last a while with it's 32GB

[wise elbow]

seems like 50 series has a lot of OC headroom as well

[median marsh]

i'm primary interested in how it performs powerlimited 😄

not gonna want a 600W GPU

[wise elbow]

really well from what i've seen

i saw a video where someone downvolted to a TDP of about 400W with little to no performance change

[mighty cosmos]

32GB of vram + 1.5-2X faster ML performance

[median marsh]

yea it's insane, nvidia is either limiting supply to keep the price high, or they have trouble producing reliable chips

[wise elbow]

sounds like production started way too late

[mighty patrol]

This also seemed interesting https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-rtx-neural-rendering-introduces-next-era-of-ai-powered-graphics-innovation/?ncid=em-anno-920774&nvweb_e=dmQLy2b3EIG7UtQ0kEnv6KkGidNAVv-cBQaJm-A8IFbwUtSMN3KmPNguOkylFBuqOvQmdIbecxryWU_NpMOUSw

[wise elbow]

and consumer cards are probably their lowest priority

[median marsh]

because the shit that's going on with dealers asking >50% of MSRP is ridiculous

[violet spade]

Well it’s also Chinese new Year now so it’s gonna be even more limited supply lol

[median marsh]

no, it's been the same with 4090 all the time

[mighty cosmos]

they have a backlog of datacenter gpus they are yet to deliver, so more than likely why supply for everything else is suffering

[violet spade]

Can’t wait for their AI bubble to burst completely so they can remember who built them up

[median marsh]

there was one short period of time, like 1-2 months maybe where it came close to MSRP

[wise elbow]

there is no ai "bubble" me think

[violet spade]

There was for Nvidia

That’s what the Chinese gpts showed

Even if they were based on OpenAI architecture

[median marsh]

yea and TSMC might aswell not have enough capacity to produce that 4nm stuff

[wise elbow]

i mean, all they showed is that ai can be done much more efficiently. now, imagine running that with equivalent hardware instead...

[mighty cosmos]

Neural rendering is pretty revolutionary and they barely talked about it
Basically allows access to tensor core hardware in a raster pipeline, so your pixel shader or whatever else could inline execute an ML model, like what neural materials basically are

[wise elbow]

chatbots and image generation are what everyone sees but IMO it has the least amount of interest in industry

[median marsh]

so the whole pixelshader is ML generated?

[violet spade]

Stock market says otherwise 😁

[median marsh]

stock market is dumb

[violet spade]

True

[wise elbow]

companies actually profit off of using machine learning and AI to optimize products

we've been doing it for the last 2 decades but methods havent been general enough and hardware was insufficient to exceed numerical approaches

[violet spade]

Yeah, but the point is they don’t all have to shell out for highest end chips

A few weeks ago Jensen had a virtual monopoly because of that assumed idea that the chips must be made by Nvidia, things have changed enough now that their stock bubble has partially imploded.

[mighty cosmos]

no, you get to execute a model inside a shader

So I'll take neural materials as an example, basically when you compile your UE material it could train a very tiny ML model to approximate the light response of the actual material
So during rendering, instead of your expensive fancy material/shader the rendering pipeline executes that tiny little model for a fraction of the cost while mimicking it perfectly

[wise elbow]

i mean, they basically still have to be made by nvidia

[median marsh]

that actually sounds pretty cool

[mighty cosmos]

basically all the cool stuff they barely talked about
Mega geometry and neural rendering are probably one of the coolest stuff to come

[median marsh]

does it still have to sample textures or is everything embedded within the mini model?

[wise elbow]

looks like it does what people were doing the last few years of making games look "super realistic" with AI video

except its actually integrated into rendering instead of being a post process

[violet spade]

Looks like it does what TI always wanted to do with your $900k 🙃

[mighty cosmos]

it's not generative or enhancing the material in any way, it tries to mimic your material perfectly

So you could have film grade material that wouldn't be feasable to use for realtime then compiling turns it into a small ML model that approximates it and now you got basically identical looking result running for peanuts in realtime

[violet spade]

ok BM, I have the day off work. Are you still playing HD2? 🙂

[mighty cosmos]

now? hmmmm

[mighty cosmos]

I could be wrong but looks like yeah you pass the textures as inputs to the ML model

[simple mulch]

Can you guys suggest me a high end AMD CPU for software/game development?
I'm a long time Intel user, so I don't follow AMD much. Currently I have a i9 13th gen with the unstability issues (Which is the reason I wanna switch to AMD)
I'd also appreciate a suggestion for matching motherboard with minimum 3x PCIE 4.0 NVME slots

People suggested these so far:

• Ryzen 9 9950X
• Ryzen 7 9800X3D
• Ryzen 9 7950X

But idk about motherboard...

[median marsh]

i would probably just pick the one with the best single core performance

[orchid iron]

They suggested these CPU for different reasons:

The 9950x is currently the best CPU for software/game development

The 9800x3d is the best for gaming (and okay at development with 8 performance cores with extra cache, not really fantastic compared to 16 performance cores )

And the 7950x (also the 7900x) has an awesome price for it's development performance

Personally I'd recommend ASRock X870e taichi Lite, really good price for what it offers

[median marsh]

unless you really compile A LOT, which is where the 16 core models shine

[orchid iron]

Also the ASRock x870e Nova WiFi with 5 m.2 slots

The taichi lite has 4 m.2 slots

All gen 4

[simple mulch]

I tend to use a lot of apps at the same time. 2-3x IDE, 2-3x browsers and possibly a game and a few others
More cores should be better for these kinda use case, no? Sure not all apps doing heavy work at the same time, but a lot of background stuff going on
And to be fair, i don't care about gaming performance. It should be goood to decent with any of those no?

[orchid iron]

Yeah, it's gonna do well, benchmarks show they are quite good, just not "the best"

And yeah, if you use a lot of stuff at the same time, more cores will be very beneficial to you

Btw, difference of performance between 7950x and 9950x is really low, like 5-10% so if you are a bit tight on budget, you can save up those costs (they also have same memory controller so ram EXPO performance should be same)

[orchid iron]

Has anyone gotten crashes or odd behaviour due to a copper CPU cooler?
Asking because copper may generate current from a magnetic Field if perhaps a fan wire is around it
Seems like such a bizarre thing but just wanted to know if anyone ever experienced something similar

[simple mulch]

Never heard of it. But PSUs had something similar where they build up static electric and needed to be dealt with

It doesn't happen these days tho

[torpid shadow]

i'm looking to upgrade my rhyzen 7 2700 and 1660 ti, but i want something cost effective and decently powerful. yall got any suggestions?

[orchid iron]

What do you do? And how much ram do you have?

Asking what do you do because it'll greatly affect what performance metric we are working with, are you a programmer and doesn't need any graphical power? And you a level designer? Do you do video editing etc

All these change what you'd call "good performance"

@mighty cosmos sus message detected

Ty

[torpid shadow]

i'm gonna upgrade it to 32-64 gb of ddr, but im talking in the future

[torpid shadow]

i do need graphical power for future work, and good performance is just better than what i got fam

[orchid iron]

Okay, what's your upgrade budget, because I think you mentioned how you were super tight on money

[wise elbow]

could try and get a 5800x3d

[torpid shadow]

my family was hit hard from trump tarrifs but we have abt a 500$ max budget for upgrading, i mean max. prefferably in the 300$ range but i dont wanna upgrade everything, just gpu and maybe some other stuff.

[orchid iron]

Aim for a 7600 xt, should be in the 300$ range or less and a 2T nvme SSD

GPU with 16gb of Vram and large and fast storage will impact your experience way more than upgrading your current set up (assuming you already have 32gb of ram, if not get the ram before the nvme SSD)

[wise elbow]

can the 7600xt even run a game that uses 16gb?

[torpid shadow]

also, how do i check what kinda ddr4 ram is compatable with my pc? there's 2 slots still open.

[orchid iron]

If it is a motherboard and CPU that supports it, then any ddr4 works, you'd only be careful of compatibility if you are overcloking (going over 3200 ram speed)

[orchid iron]

Very few games even use that much, Hardware Unbox did a video showing various modern game Vram usage, and at the minimum a GPU should have 12gb to have sufficient Vram in order to avoid overflowing to system RAM

[naive cloak]

the question is how people who are that stupid to pay 10k managed to get 10k?

[wind egret]

Anyone who can already afford a yacht won't notice the price while it's below six figures. But if you can afford a yacht, would you be buying a 5090? I guess it's all daddy's money.

[naive cloak]

people who can afford yacht notice every cent, they care on levels that poor people dont know possible, that why they can afford yachts

they are not rich by accident

[orchid iron]

does anyone have recommendations for low profile coolers that could cool a 5950x?

[naive cloak]

AIO will be low profile if you have room for radiator in the case

[wind egret]

Replace "yacht" with "megayacht". I forget about the little ones sometimes. Even though they take up 99% of the marinas. Don't even have to be rich to own one.

[orchid iron]

ik, but AIO expensive and cringe

[naive cloak]

why cringe?

#hardware message
look how naive I was... I thought it will cost only 3000$ 🤣 🤦‍♂️

Nvidia cards became type of currency... its like Bitcoin