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orchid iron
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dense stirrup
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My bad lab boss i mean 96gb 😵‍💫

So the 360mm has -5c performance is it crucial enough to make sure my cpu longevity or not lab bosse?

Tbh i still dont really understand what is realtime and not hehe, pardon my stupidity, if i just want to make cinematic video short movie photorealistic highly detailed full of ray tracing lumen all the effects and features ue 5.5 has only couple of secs. Does it mean I don't need real time? Right now all i can do is imagine things, if thats my only goal to make use of gpu, does 3060 12gb already accomplished that without any problem? If it doesnt, does 4060 ti 16gb can? Or the only option is 4070 ti super is the minimum?

orchid iron
# dense stirrup My bad lab boss i mean 96gb 😵‍💫 So the 360mm has -5c performance is it crucia...

most animations or movies you see aren't real time, meaning that if they were to explore their scene, it would probably be very low fps, but because they take all the time they need to render a scene it doesn't matter all that much if in real time the performance is garbage

So yeah, the 3060 is enough, and even if you don't like it because you feel it is too slow, then you can wait until the 5060 is available

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naive inlet
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Did I just see someone write they have 96GB of RAM?!

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What are you trying to make???

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Ohk I read the next msgs your good bro👍

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dense stirrup
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Perhaps once in a year or in 2 years

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grave sundial
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UPS KVa = PC SMPS Wattage + 50% and set to UPS mode, not W-UPS.

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Remember these wise words founds carved in the depths of a neanderthal cave.

dense stirrup
grave sundial
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That'll round out to 2KVa.

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It's cheap, relatively speaking.

orchid iron
grave sundial
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Wait, why are you buying a 1200w SMPS?

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No need.

orchid iron
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Upgradability I guess?

grave sundial
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Still, no need. Even a 4090 is happy with a 1KW SMPS.

dense stirrup
orchid iron
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Probably 2 hours and I'm over thinking this

dense stirrup
grave sundial
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Then, make sure whatever UPS you decide to buy can support a cold start from 1.2KVa.

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I've discovered that my 1.5KVa UPS does NOT support a cold start of my 1KW Corsair SMPS.

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It goes into overload and I have to reset the inverter.

grave sundial
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But, it supports the computer when it is on just fine.

orchid iron
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Oof

grave sundial
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So, cold boot and on-support are two different things you need to account for.

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That's why buying a more powerful SMPS than you need, might not be great.

dense stirrup
orchid iron
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You'll be able to upgrade to a 6090 maybe xD

grave sundial
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Then, if you go with a 1.2KW SMPS, you'd need a 2KV Online UPS.

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Don't go for anything less, or.... 😓

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And make sure it supports a cold boot with your SMPS before you purchase it.

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You can also find an old granny neighbour who has a 2KV UPS, because she runs a meth garden or something, and then..... 🧱

orchid iron
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Old granny with a meth garden xD
Ah that reminds me a funny comedy movie I saw the trailer of

grave sundial
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I was about to say, "Find that granny," with a shovel emote, but we don't have one, so...

grave sundial
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I think it'll be.

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If it's allowed in your region, try asking the store owner to let you test it on your SMPS.

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You don't need any connected components. Just plug the SMPS in to the UPS (if it's charged), disconnect UPS from main power, and turn the SMPS on.

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If the UPS doesn't care about that initial power-on moment (cold start), and functions normally, you're good to go.

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The capacity and wattage are enough to support your computer while it's running, no problem.

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Also, as I mentioned before, if there's an option / switch on the UPS, letting you choose UPS and W-UPS mode, always set it to UPS mode.

orchid iron
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@grave sundial how unstable is your electricity?

grave sundial
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The transformers explode sometimes, too.

orchid iron
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Okay yeah, makes sense you clearly knew a lot more about UPS than the average person

grave sundial
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There's also the switch in the morning from coal/nuclear to solar power.

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Which is NOT seamless. 🤣

orchid iron
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Yikes

grave sundial
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For some idiotic reason, they haven't figured out how to deliver the load from solar seamlessly without MASSIVE fluctuations.

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That settles down after 5 minutes; sometimes, 15 minutes.

orchid iron
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That's super dangerous

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Hospitals can have their equipment fried

grave sundial
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Yep. Houses without stabilizers have blown TVs, refrigerators, etc. etc.

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Hospitals and my house have stabilizers.

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So, no problem.

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The fridge, AC, and TV have SEPARATE stabilizers in addition to the main one.

orchid iron
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That's so garbage, just to make a point about solar power not being trash

grave sundial
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I don't think it's the solar power so much as whatever tech they are using during the handover from conventional energy.

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Like in the evenings, when they go from solar to coal/nukes, there are no fluctuations.

orchid iron
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Yeah, if you have an idea, you gotta make it work properly IRL

grave sundial
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No, no. In India, if we can save money and cut electricity, we do it first and fix the problems later.

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This is just and proper.

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You can pay to repair your TVs and fridges yourself. 😄

orchid iron
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That's so infuriating

grave sundial
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Even more so with finicky, power-hungry computers.

median marsh
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i'm pretty convinced that you just can't "turn off" a nuclear power plant when the sun gets out and turn it back on in the afternoon

orchid iron
median marsh
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i really wonder how economical that is

delicate crystal
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Ah that's my mistake. Was wodnering if he was as I'd love to know the spec. It's something I'd want to do when I upgrade

orchid iron
dry pecan
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hello, is 2tb for a separate ssd for unreal / game project enough?

delicate crystal
orchid iron
dry pecan
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so assets shouldn't be too large

orchid iron
# dry pecan low-ish poly, something like in ps2

my 5.3 unreal engine on linux compiled from source code is about 122 gb

a blank unreal engine project is about 1-2 gb

a lightweight ide like vs code is also a few gb big

that's why I was asking about your assets because those will usually be the biggest factor in any projects

dry pecan
orchid iron
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np

delicate crystal
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This is good information. Sounds like that 24tb server I have might be useful after all

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obtuse rapids
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Thinking of building a SFF system. FML I'd rather get a laptop but I just can't justify the cost. I just hate remoting in (which is what I will have to do with the SFF system, bit of a unique situation) ...parsec let's use send all keys right?

Anyway, anyone got some good SFF builds?

median marsh
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if you remote in anyways a cheap laptop is good enough?

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if you really want a SFF system, look at lenovo thinkcentre tiny m910q

orchid iron
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obtuse rapids
# median marsh if you really want a SFF system, look at lenovo thinkcentre tiny m910q

It occurred to me that maybe people in this channel have different standards than I do. I remember I actually learned Unreal and built my VR product in a Sager Gaming laptop purchased in 2014 - it was a 4th Generation Intel® Haswell Core™ i7-4700MQ with two crossfire 8970ms (4 gb each) - and while it wasn't a dream system, it got the job done.

Maybe I need to lower my mobile standards a bit

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Incidentally, that laptop still runs great and I've opened it up a bunch (main GPU died and I had to switch the "spare" I had in there) -

median marsh
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well you said that you remote in anyways, so i've concluded that you don't plan on using Unreal on that machine (their gpu is probably the weakest spot) other than that you can get them with up to i5 6x3.4GHz/i7, 32GB RAM and nVME SSD

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orchid iron
obtuse rapids
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I've considered it - I wish another year or two had passed

orchid iron
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Time machine time!

brings a baseball bat

Ready for one way time travel?

grave sundial
orchid iron
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I got some pentiums laying around, we good xD

orchid iron
delicate crystal
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I keep debating what the hell to.do with the thing. Bought itnforna job i was laid off from two weeks later. And servers are a pain to sell. Thing has like 512gb of ram and like 50 cores so thought itd be a good build system or something but not sure

orchid iron
delicate crystal
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Thats a good question. Id assume itd depend on a few things but id ve surpriaed if the ram on that is faster then a modern ssd drive

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Think its about 3 to 5 years old?

orchid iron
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maybe matching the number of ram sticks with the number of memory channel so they can go full speed

leaden narwhal
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Please recommend a budget hardware setup for producing 3D animated shorts using UE5.5 working solo and not on a team.
Focus on fast iteration then a nice final render after all the iterations.

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I think my budget is going to be around $1,600 USD

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For the PC not including the new monitor(s) I will need

orchid iron
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also are you in the US or outside of it? If you are outside do you know an online retail you could order from? Would help out more to know "regional prices" since those may vary from country to country

leaden narwhal
# orchid iron if you can wait a few months, please do, because there is some really good mid t...

I had a notion q1 2025 would be better for GPU purchasing. I am in the US. Last build I did was parts from NewEgg and Tiger Direct 11 years ago. Everything worked flawlessly until 9 days ago and suddenly one morning it wont turn on. PSU tested fine when removed from the motherboard but when the onboard (not case) powerbutton is pressed then the PSU fan barely moves and only for a moment. Not enough to complete even one full revolution. Not other signs of life)

So I kept saying before this happened that if I buy a new computer I want it to be fancy enough to use for rapidly producing speculative fiction narrative animations as a solo creator, but not break the bank as I am between jobs right now. Was making 6 figures and dont have that kind of resume in anything but Netsuite.

So that's why it is to be a budget build but not TOO frugal.

orchid iron
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as in if it is barely used it sets the fan speed to zero

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also right now everything is kinda guess work at what will be the best price to performance gpu, so right now you could basically only part pick without the gpu so you'd end up with a full build and a "GPU budget"

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@leaden narwhaldo you also have a micro center near you? They have really good deals

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now that I think about it, maybe part picking should be done really soon because once cyber monday ends (2nd of december) the parts will likely rise in price until late Q1 2025, so up to you if you wanna do it right now or a few months later
Edit: forgot about incoming tariffs, maybe prices will never be as low as right now xD

orchid iron
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In case you wanna PC part pick early, when will you be up for it?

little granite
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need some advice on a graphics tablet. Used to workhorse a wacom cintiq 13hd. last year or so i upgraded to a huion kamvas pro 2.5k 16 inch tablet. its n obvious leap in hardware, but its very slidey/slippy compared to my old wacom. even with a matte screen protector and felt nibs, its just very difficult for fine control.

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Are there any other ways I can make the surface have more resistance, or am I snookered?
I had thought about a cintiq 16, but it says the specs are a lot worse, and idk if the screen would be the same as the 13hd

leaden narwhal
delicate crystal
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I'm expecting the tarriffs are going to bend Canada over

leaden narwhal
# orchid iron In case you wanna PC part pick early, when will you be up for it?

I think my motherboard and/or CPU might be shot because the pc speaker never beeps. I removed all parts and connections including RAM, except the PSU to motherboard connections, the CPU and CPU fan and its connector, and the pc speaker. No signs of POST occurring or any power whatsoever to the mboard. PSU tester spins the PSU fan at low speed and reports PSU is normal power levels on all connectors.

Since I think mboard is dead my purchase strategy should probably be to pick parts now and get new case, mboard, and CPU with fan, probably new PSU, but reuse surviving parts from my dead computer until I get a new job. My current RAM and storage are decent. I want to make it possible to upgrade to a really nice GPU as soon as my income is restored.

orchid iron
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leaden narwhal
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In a few hours might work. Thanks 🙂

orchid iron
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Alright, I'll ping you when I'm available

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agile lodge
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battlemage GPUs coming

delicate crystal
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i keep thinking i'm missing something for black friday/cyber monday, but the deals ehre are terrible

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always stuff that was state of the art like five years ago

swift harness
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I got 500-600 dollars. What the best replacement laptop I can get?

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leaden narwhal
# orchid iron Cyber Monday is just additional time of Black friday

Thank you again for being so willing to help me plan this out. After further consideration I have decided to wait until I have more solid plans for how I will use the new computer, and for the time being put all the old machine's hard drives into external enclosures to make my stuff accessible to the other family computer we have. That one is a bit newer and more powerful anyway, but takes ages to boot up.

orchid iron
leaden narwhal
orchid iron
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Also I'll be online in about 10-15 minutes, if you want we can just talk about general PC hardware stuff, not actually buying

leaden narwhal
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Oh i was talking about my dead compyter not the working slow one. The working slow one has only one 1TB hdd drive and no other storage.

leaden narwhal
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Even though the SSD is much smaller physically than the HDD and would probably fit. I heard it's very hard to plug in anything on those chassis.

orchid iron
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I highly reccomend making the SSD the boot drive, not just for booting up times, but just for general system usage, everything is so much faster and feels better

leaden narwhal
leaden narwhal
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So my strategy will probably be to install my broken computer's ssd into the working computer and configure UEFI to allow user to select which drive to boot from at POST.
Then put my other 3 HDDs into usb3 enclosures and plug them into the back to access my broken computer's stuff like photos and home videos and my.novel writing project. I am frugal to a fault and refuse to pay subscription for cloud storage lol

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I got everything on a Tailscale mesh vpn network so i can access my computer files and streaming servers (includong game streaming) from anywhere with various degrees of performance and quality.

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(Left VC)

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leaden narwhal
orchid iron
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Oh my, that looks like a nightmare

orchid iron
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Also, I'll be honest, the case seems so bad to do anything with it, I'd personally run your system in open air

leaden narwhal
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Yeah its a terrible time getting it open in The first place

median marsh
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F8/F10 usually

swift harness
orchid iron
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Additionally, is a laptop a must, or would a mini PC / small form factor also be suitable for you?

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fallen oasis
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Just be thankful it's not a mac, then it'd be a 3700 laptop being smoked by a (1)700 euro pc.

leaden narwhal
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Oh no... I hope i didnt short something in my stepson's computer. Hope I didnt force anything trying to take.it apart or put it back together. It wont output anythi g to the display now, and it is rather quick to shut down, sometimes without pressing the power button

devout pendant
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Any suggestions for an upgrade from an RTX 2070? And are AMD cards as bad as I’ve read about?

mighty patrol
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It has laptop power supply and memory.

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So it is bottlenecked typically by power.

mighty patrol
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orchid iron
# swift harness I am in america. I would prefer a laptop.
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this is a pretty bad laptop, but the best choice I could find which has a dedicated GPU

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at least you may be able to upgrade its ram later on (which is the weakest part about it)

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there is also this, but I don't think it is that easily upgradable

orchid iron
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orchid iron
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This was so bad, GN made a " permanently banned from ever getting ad placements in their video" list with nzxt in it

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becase intel cards are best of the best

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intel cards are good for ai tasks

orchid iron
agile lodge
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you hate intel a lot it comes to ytour responses a lot

leaden narwhal
# mighty patrol So it is bottlenecked typically by power.

Mine is a g20cb. Very similar but no clasps and the power supply delivers 650W if i remember correctly. I didnt realize the cover just slides off so I made the mistake of trying to break the panels apart with a kitchen knife. Pretty dumb, but I doubt the knife actually damaged any parts inside.

There is a spare SATA port under the DVD drive with a power lead just hanging there ready to go. The space above the DVD drive is barely big enough for my SSD if I remove the front metal bracket adjacent to the front panel of the case. So I put the SSD there. Had to remove the CPU fan assembly and the DVD drive to be able to lift away enough of the metal framework just high enough to get the sata cable into the socket on the mainboard.

As I was doing this I kept trying to lift up the black fin array but it wouldnt move. I hope i didnt force it too much and I worry it might have broken Something that way. The coolant pipes were what was holding it back so I hope I didnt crack them or their interfaces to the CPU or anything like that. I hope i didnt damage the CPU!

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The black fin array is normally.flush with the dual cpu fans assembly and it was in the way of me getting any more framework out of the way to get at the sata port. I eventually gave up on that and just lifted the framework enough to plug the sata in. I dont k ow hoe to find out if I damaged anything or what i damaged. Though. How does a person check that? I dont see any visible damage. How would i know if I vroke something andnif so what?

orchid iron
# agile lodge you hate intel a lot it comes to ytour responses a lot

I never owned a single system with AMD
All laptop/desktop I have use an Intel CPU
They are all very reliable and I never had any issues with any of them besides thermals

I thought about purchasing Intel GPUs too, even after their chaotic launch, I'd have bought a battlemage GPU

So I'll say this to you, thank you for sharing how great they are for AI workloads, I know how much everyone here loves AI, it is an amazing technology that won't negatively impact the market in any ways because AI is that awesome

orchid iron
leaden narwhal
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Hmm I must procure more abundantly that flat and horizontal space which is so to be necessitated.

For if the system.is to be asprawl, and in such vivisection displayed, it must never be touched by child or beast or careless stumble of the hand.

I'm gonna need a bigger table.

orchid iron
gaunt carbon
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How do you guys figure out the minimum required specs for a game you're releasing?

orchid iron
# gaunt carbon How do you guys figure out the minimum required specs for a game you're releasin...

If you make a game with only dx12 without dx11 that already sets a minimum because not many GPUs support dx12 compared to those who support dx11
You can check how much RAM and VRAM your game uses from your own hardware, along with knowing if you want to only use dx12 / also use dx11 / vulkan
From there if you look at some GPU series specifications and make an educated guess at which GPUs would theocratically work, and purchase a few to see if they actually work

Keep in mind some EU features may not work on dx11 and vulkan like lumen and nanite

obtuse rapids
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Still, can't believe it only has 16 GB vram for all that... The 3090ti I bought from FB marketplace 3 years ago has 24

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Does anyone here actually develop UE using a MacBook? It's binary so it should be fine to work cross platform.... Right??? 😬

orchid iron
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Intel CEO got fired again, hopefully next one invests more into the dedicated GPU

mighty patrol
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They won't

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Blue has hard enough time competing with green and red.

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After all their cpu drama I'd be surprised if they kept with gpu program.

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grave sundial
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He retired hurt.
cricket term

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orchid iron
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yeah the CEO leaving right before this is a great sign

violet spade
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Maybe he just got bored of making so much money 🙃

orchid iron
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I think it may have been the investors that were annoyed he didn't warn them about oxidation and 13th and 14th issues
If he hid information about petty things, who knows what else he hid

agile lodge
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orchid iron
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agreed xD

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violet spade
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I mean… it’s a pretty big ship

orchid iron
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I think when almost all projects he did failed or did worse than their competitors, they got fed up faster

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keep in mind he said people would only use E core for powering their GPU

And also said GPUs would be out dated soon

violet spade
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Hehehe

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Well if Intel Arc had any chance of catching on, the 14th Gen fiasco probably ended that

agile lodge
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people have put Intel Arc A300 cards to they homelab servers

devout pendant
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do I have to buy a new phone if I want to use an eSIM?

fallen oasis
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No.

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Just add teh sim to your phone in the settings.

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Depends on your phone, ofc.

mighty patrol
median marsh
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Jay summoning the CEO of NZXT as if he was the principle at a school is crazy works
😄

orchid iron
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I think nzxt CEO thought he would be way more chill than GN (flashback to meeting newegg and Asus higher ups)

orchid iron
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after watching it, yeah a lot of events may have happened due to bad luck, but they still have to hold responsibility for not doing the extra step of refining their flex program

mighty patrol
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Ceos body language be weird

orchid iron
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Yeah, he is clearly not a social person, but still impressive he started at 19

orchid iron
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Oh, now nzxt is in their radar and have begun to receive a lot of tips from many people
Yeah, I think a Jay interview may have been a better idea than Steve 'cause he is about to make them feel what Asus and newegg got

median marsh
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sometimes GN goes a bit beyond what's rational

opaque pond
median marsh
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complains about NZXT asking money for a RMA return kit, what did he expect? That cardboard boxes and packaging fall from heaven?

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if they offer RMA return kits for free then everyone has to pay more

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there is NEVER free stuff from companies, someone has to pay it... the customer

wind egret
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$35 for a box with some packing peanuts? foam? yeah GN is really out of line there

median marsh
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yea but everything NZXT is overpriced, so here you go....

mighty cosmos
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Feel like GN sometimes goes over the line a bit as well

orchid iron
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Yeah, but since it is against business with shady and misleading practices, it is completely fine

Since other companies also watch him, they'll be pressured into making themself look more transparent otherwise they might be the next nzxt

violet spade
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Also in this case I think the issue is if the vendor fucks up, it shouldn’t be on the customer to pay to fix it

fresh fog
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Me neither. If it's found to be a fraudulent claim, charge them then.

If you ship me something that doesn't work, why the hell am I paying extra to get what I'm already owed

median marsh
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that kit is for people who discarded their original packaging

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and yea i can kind of forgive GN here since they probably produce those videos pretty quick when there's a topic like that

orchid iron
# violet spade Well, he is understandably mad at their shady practices and covering up when fou...

He is fully aware of it, he already did all that against Newegg, Asus and so many others
Early on there was potential for them to be an "auditor" to check a company and tell them things they should change to be a better company
But sadly they noticed if they do this sort of "extreme" and "overblown" content, actual change would be made

Which makes sense, companies cheap out on everything as much as possible like customer service, RMA, etc until that one moment when things get into a critical situation and they are forced into changing that
We can all accept shady company practices and think it is "the norm" but then what? We just get screwed, end of story
Of course nzxt may not deserve all the negative attention it is getting, but any other company that wanted to do a "renting PC" model will now have to seriously consider how it is implemented because of GN's bad press on the whole matter

fervent jolt
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PC rentals!??!? ... i'm sorry but the only people screwing up here are consumers 🤣

wind egret
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Renting business computers can make sense.
but when you're better off taking a predatory loan (at least according to GN, using examples of predatory loans in the US states where such loans are regulated to barely within sanity) it looks very silly.

fervent jolt
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not really, only if the rental rates are extremely cheap (they never are)

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median marsh
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well there's afaik certainly a big computer leasing/renting business for companies.

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that's also why you see a lot of dell/lenovo refurbished computers on the market, they are usually returns from such contracts

fervent jolt
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Yes, I used to work in a massive global corporation that "utilized" those fucking POS leased dells

fervent jolt
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Some companies just don't want the hassle of owning anything

orchid iron
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This is a new meaning for the sentence "gaming at the speed of light"

plush turret
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if im mainly storing stuff for later upload, would a SATA or NVMe SSD be better?

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especially on a budget

mighty patrol
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Sata likely especially if your recording etc

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Lots of recording kills nvme faster

orchid iron
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Depending on if you find some good deals on NVMe with high TBW, you could get an extension card to plug into your pcie slots

plush turret
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and HDD while slower doesnt have the write limit issues do they?

orchid iron
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But that TBW spec is more of an estimate, you might quadruple that value in its life time, I know my 10 year old laptop did xD

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Some HDDs use different metrics for endurance
But you should look at online reviews, I know a lot of Seagate stuff gets a lot of failures

mighty cosmos
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if SSD self reporting is to be believed, my oldest SSD is approaching 10 years and it has 86% of "life" still remaining in it

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Higher capacity SSDs handle more writecycles as well

orchid iron
median marsh
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got an intel with almost 8years poweron time (15 years old drive)
31 TB written (according to google it's supposed to last at least 7.5TB TBW) and it's still at 86% of spare cells

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i feel like it's going to outlive me if there's no other electronic fault 😄

mighty cosmos
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I'll check tomorrow at how many writes it's at but that's been my os drive until recently

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I'm pretty sure it's rated for 1.2k TB

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Writes

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If nothing else on that SSD dies first the memory modules alone on it will end up in a museum sooner than they will die

median marsh
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ah, probably one of the first qvo or however they've been named? the SATA ones

mighty cosmos
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Yeah one of those

orchid iron
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That ending gave me emotional damage

agile lodge
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there is some videos now that "intel saves PC gaming"

orchid iron
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Feels like user benchmark alt account

mighty patrol
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WOOHHOOOW B580 IS REAL DEAAL MY BROTHER, finally gpu world becomes so alive

orchid iron
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noice, finally something that can beat the 3060

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or at least challenge it

orchid iron
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Guys, right now I'm hesitanting on either Air cooled fans or water cooled fans, I'm not sure which one has the most overclockable potential

Here is the link to the air cooled fan

https://www.arctic.de/en/S12038-8K/ACFAN00294A

dense stirrup
# orchid iron Guys, right now I'm hesitanting on either Air cooled fans or water cooled fans, ...

I'm sorry brother pardon my newbienes and stupidity, now im building my first ever pc and don't know even more oc or server scale, but in my perspective the air cooler is more easy to handle and to maintain, as long as its a big air cooler, huge surface and lots heatpipes, and the fan is a monster 8k rpm, logically the performance will be not significantly different, ill go with air cooler all the way, recently i just loss return my aio and buy deepcool ak620 digital

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But if you are likely to do a hard maximum oc, perhaps it's a different case?

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Is there any benchmark already?

orchid iron
# dense stirrup I'm sorry brother pardon my newbienes and stupidity, now im building my first ev...

I'm talking about cooling the fans, poor little guys do all the work cooling the pc, but what cools them you know?

So I found these air cooled fans (there is a small fan in the center of the fan I linked, which cools the fan motor)

while writing the message I went and did a little bit of trolling and started talking about overclocking fans (which aren't overclockable xD )

and also since now there is air cooled fans, what about water cooled fans, how would that work? Would the pump connect a little tube alongside all of the fans xD

dense stirrup
orchid iron
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yeah you got it xD

orchid iron
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do NVME ssd with all SLC exist? I found a few sata ones, but that interface is holding the drive so much xD

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oh right, I forgot to look in U.2 form factor

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oh what, U.3 is out, man I am outted

orchid iron
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damn it, I remember the Intel Optane series...Rip

mighty patrol
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and they try

orchid iron
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Omg, we will be able to add ram to pcie slots!!!

median marsh
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memory modules are like 10x faster than pci ex

orchid iron
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This is for servers or ai workstations, but with pcie 6 or 7 it could be worth using

median marsh
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idk... new threadrippers support up to 2TB memory, this seems to be a nieche product

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epyc up to 6TB

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so 128GB is nothing on those platforms 😄

mighty cosmos
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I have my doubts about how useful this is going to be for ai because communication over pci is a major bottleneck when attempting to use system memory

orchid iron
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hopefully buying this is cheaper than buying a whole threadripper workstation, and better than having the ram leak into ssd

median marsh
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your usual consumer mainboard doesn't even have enough pci express lanes to handle that expansion card

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you'll need a threadripper to begin with unless you want to sacrifice pci express lanes from the gpu/ssd

orchid iron
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I got a motherboard that can bifurcate the x16 to x8 / x4 / x4 gen 4, so perhaps I'll be able to have 384 gb of ram on a am4 system xD

median marsh
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yea while it's as fast as an SSD connected to 4 lanes at that point

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so with a ramdisk i already can have >2TB memory on AM4...

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is it practical? No.

orchid iron
median marsh
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that depends on where the bottleneck is

orchid iron
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because I've rarely seen gen 4 x4 pcie lanes being fully capped by gen 4 ssds

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so maybe ram can cap it

median marsh
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yea but they are getting there

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also that card uses 8 lanes

orchid iron
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other option would of been to raid 0, 4 different nvme on an expansion card and then use ramdisk

median marsh
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also i don't see any need for so much memory on a desktop

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people who need that much memory get a threadripper and call it a day

orchid iron
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hmmm, now I'm curious ram vs 4 raid 0 nvmes

obtuse rapids
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Partially a software question but I know people here will be able to point me in the right direction - My PC (custom water cooled i9 13900k , 4090TI on a 1600 w power supply obviously runs a lot of power at full load. However, I'd like it to draw much less when it is idle, however, I have so many different processes running in the background, things like Signal RGB or just various windows services, that it seems it never stops drawing less than 1000w (according to my killawatt, which is plugged in ONLY to the PC itself. Where should I start looking to "truly idle" the machine. Sleep isn't an option because I don't know how to remote into the computer ( which I need to do sometimes) when the computer is asleep. I've already used the Intel utility to lower the max voltage of the 13900k which is known to run hot/draw a lot normally)

mighty cosmos
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And I have a lot of background stuff so it's never truly idle either

obtuse rapids
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Am I going about it the right way in terms of searching for power draw?

orchid iron
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"If you don’t want to open the case, you can use software tools to estimate your system's power consumption. While these tools won’t tell you the exact PSU model or wattage, they can give you an idea of how much power your current hardware is using, helping you assess if your PSU is sufficient.
Recommended Software:

HWMonitor: This tool displays real-time CPU, GPU, and motherboard voltage, temperature, and power consumption data. By checking the power usage, you can estimate your system's total power demand.

Open Hardware Monitor: Similar to HWMonitor, it provides detailed hardware performance stats, including power consumption."

From a quick search

orchid iron
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out of curiousity, what is your power supply? It might have a critical problem if you read correctly

mighty cosmos
orchid iron
fallen oasis
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You'd hear the fans spinning like mad if so.

median marsh
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with 1kW of usage they should spin yea

grave sundial
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so fast that clockwise becomes counterclockwise.

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where is located the second sim slot in my moto g 5g? is it under the battery?

orchid iron
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orchid iron
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intel looking hella cooked

agile lodge
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that is nvidia jetson platform for robotics

orchid iron
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AI

mighty patrol
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Price not bad

orchid iron
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6 cores and 8 gb of ram

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seems very nvidia

agile lodge
plush turret
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is it better to wall mount or free stand my wifi router? trying a bit to save space

fallen oasis
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I have one of my routers hanging in a cupboard, supported only by the rj45 cable plugged in the back.

orchid iron
orchid iron
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Incredibly fascinating how in a completely different world, the concept of HHD and ssd somewhat parallel ours

mighty patrol
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Minecraft people be nutty

median marsh
craggy bay
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Hello everybody, I’m planning to build a new PC, and I mainly plan to use Unreal, Blender, ZBrush, and Photoshop.
I’m not sure which GPU to buy.
I found a 4070 for 450€ (used), a 4070 Ti for 580€, and a 3090 for 490€ (used).
I’ve read many posts on Reddit about which GPU is better, but I just can’t decide. Some people say the 3090 is better because of the VRAM, while others say benchmarks show that the 4070 Ti is better.
Additionally, some say that 24GB VRAM is only useful for large scenes, but I’m not sure what qualifies as “large,”.

ivory lagoon
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An average project with windows background tasks consumes very quickly 13 to 15GB Video memory on my end.

craggy bay
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What do you mean by average

ivory lagoon
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Having Painter open with 30 layers, move a bunch of sliders and it will go over 20GB quickly.

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Small project. Just having unreal open with virtual shadow maps, lumen will consume over 12GB very quickly.

craggy bay
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Okay

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Would you mind sharing what gpu you use?

ivory lagoon
craggy bay
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Alright

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May I send you youtube video of unreal project I would like to make

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Just to be sure that 3090 would be enough for what i want

ivory lagoon
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I just opened my current project.

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It might also depend on the resolution of your monitor though ,not sure about that.

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But this is what is generally consumes on my end.

craggy bay
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Its 2k monitor

ivory lagoon
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Once i open up more apps it goes up.

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2x8k.

craggy bay
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Do you think making this would be possible

ivory lagoon
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Oh for sure.

craggy bay
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With 3090?

ivory lagoon
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absolutely.

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I would also say it will work on a 4070

craggy bay
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The only reason 4070ti seems better to me is because of speed and because its newer

ivory lagoon
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The problem is though, once you run out of memory it will crash or write to your second level cache, which is part of your system memomry which is quite a bit slower.

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Same with something like Substance Painter. It caches the layers for quic kacces.

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once you run out you get that blue loading bar and you have to wait for each clikc.

ivory lagoon
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If it's purely for game dev. i would consider a 3090, but if you play games every once a while i would go for a 4070ti.

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Are you buying a whole system?

craggy bay
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Yes

ivory lagoon
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I am still running on a 5 year old CPU, which goes fine with a 4090.

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I have a5800X.

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I do a bit of modeling and evironment in UE, and for that the GPU is more important for me.

craggy bay
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I only have 1000w psu and samsung 980 pro 2tb for now lol

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I also have 8tb hdd

ivory lagoon
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Same.

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I have 2 SSDs and one HDD.

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First need a ship with money before i upgrade anything eles.

craggy bay
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Are you happy with that much memory

ivory lagoon
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Yes.

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I wouldn't trade it for anything else.

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I keep telling people GPU is more important when they spend 1500 on CPU, Motherboard and SSD.

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Also, it depends a bit on your monitor resolution and refresh rate.

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I have a big monitor that needs it.

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CPU is fine for everything.

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You only get marginal perf. increases in games.

craggy bay
ivory lagoon
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ah okay.

craggy bay
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And i would really like to make something that would last

ivory lagoon
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Just get a new one. You can always sell and buy a better one later-on.

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Also, if you do plan to get asecond hand one, make sure it still has at least 6 months warranty.

craggy bay
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Allright

ivory lagoon
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It's not worth saving a few bucks over.

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If your card dies, you have nothing.

craggy bay
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So for game art 3090 should be better

ivory lagoon
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Agian, this is use case specific.

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I can't tell you what you need.

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Ram. is important. Maybe someone else can contribute to that conversation?

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One thing i can tell you, is that i had a 3070 when UE 5 came out and was constantly running out of Ram.

craggy bay
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Also i have one more question, is ddr4 and am4 still good thing to get ?

ivory lagoon
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Also could not have anything else open at the same time.

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I mean, if you are on a budget, sure.

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I would probably get a 5700X3d, with cheap Motherboard and you are done with 300 bucks.

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Problem is that if you get the latest platform with similar connectivity its going to cost your three times as much.

craggy bay
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My uncle offered to give me his motherboard and ram, he said he has 4x64 ram, but its ddr4

ivory lagoon
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That's not neccessary

craggy bay
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I think 256gb of ram is too much

ivory lagoon
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32GB to start with so you can upgrade to 64Gb if youare on a budget.

craggy bay
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But my uncle would give it to me for free

ivory lagoon
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Well, take it.

craggy bay
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Im only not sure because its ddr4

ivory lagoon
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Sell most of it and get a free CPU out of it too.

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That's fine.

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GPU is more important.

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Again, i am pairing a 5800X with 4090.

craggy bay
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You have ddr4 right?

ivory lagoon
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I have complaint or need to upgrade.

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yes.

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32GB at 3200Mhz.

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You only need more if you are planning to make Huge open worlds.

craggy bay
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But is it fast enough?

ivory lagoon
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Just making a few pieces like the scene in the video you posted, 32Gb will do.

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Yes.

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It is plenty fast enough.

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GPU is more important.

craggy bay
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Okay

ivory lagoon
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I don't want to work in a lagy environment in Unreal when making environments.

craggy bay
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I just wasnt sure if i should turn down uncles offer and get ddr5

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Would it even make difference?

ivory lagoon
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I would take his Ram, thank him for it of course. Keep one or two sticks and sell the rest of that Ram to fund your CPU or GPU partially.

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Ram speed matters the least!

craggy bay
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For how much could i even sell it for?

ivory lagoon
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If you spend the extra money on a CPU that you would normally buy faster Ram for you will get a more performant system.

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128GB ddr4 should still be worth 150 bucks, of the top of my head.

craggy bay
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Well, tbh i was first planing to get 32gb ddr5 and ryzen 9 7950x3d

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And i would buy it if it would make big difference

ivory lagoon
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I'd take a 5700x3d with 4090 any time of the day over a 9950x with 4070ti.

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Again, it depends a bit on the monitor as well.

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The higher your resolution the more your GPU has to work.

craggy bay
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I think 4090 is just too expensive

ivory lagoon
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Well, count in that you need a more expensive platform with AM5, SSD Gen5, DDR5.

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That will most likely cost more then 1k.

craggy bay
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More than 1k is okay

ivory lagoon
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CPU 500, Motherboard 300, Gen 5 SSD 300, and Ram 250.

craggy bay
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I wouldnt like to go over 2k

ivory lagoon
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You can get a 5700x3d with Motherbaord for about 300.

craggy bay
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I already have ssd

ivory lagoon
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save 1k and get a4090 over that 4070ti.

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Just an option.

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Okay.

craggy bay
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Sorry i dont get it

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My english isnt the best

ivory lagoon
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Anyhow, just write it down, think on it for a night and it will become all clear. Gotta' go. good luck!

craggy bay
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Okay

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Thank you for your help

ivory lagoon
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No worries. English isnt my first language either.

craggy bay
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It really means alot

ivory lagoon
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Happy Holydays 🙂

craggy bay
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Thanks : } same to you!

orchid iron
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@craggy bay wait, 4x64 in total 256gb of ddr4 ram? Does he use enterprise grade stuff like 64gb of ram per stick? Because in consumer am4 we only go up to 32gb of DDR4, you might need to check if his stuff is even compatible with the motherboard you are going with

orchid iron
# ivory lagoon save 1k and get a4090 over that 4070ti.

imo, with the current 4090 shortage due to the 5090 launch, it isn't worth going from 4070ti to 4090, maybe the 5090 will have better pricing because it'll have double the cores as the 5080, and unlike the 4090 has 32gb of VRAM, which would be the most in consumer market...Although Nvidia marketing will likely push for 5070 Ti being the highest "consumer" card

And again, based on personal opinion, I'd reccomend staying on am4 or even upgrading to a 5950x (which you may find at half the price it launched at), and putting the rest of that budget into a reliable PSU and GPU that will serve you for many years (I recently watched a video where the guy does a high end build but cheaps out on the PSU that's why I mention it xD )

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as @ivory lagoon mentioned, for your projects, you are very likely to use the GPU more, so you should spend a bigger budget on the GPU over your platform

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but out of curiosity what is your PSU? I wouldn't want to reccomend a high end GPU when you have a thermaltake smart or something

median marsh
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why the hell did 4090 prices almost increase by 50% in the last 3 months?

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shouldn't they try to get rid of their stock before the 5080/5090 drop

naive cloak
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because they know that when 5000 series will be available everyone will want to buy 4000...

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they already went full apple and said that the GPU will be so good it will need less VRAM

median marsh
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i wish intel had the b770 ready.... with 16GB VRAM and 4070+ performance it would be a really good choice now

orchid iron
orchid iron
mighty patrol
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Anyone here deployed to a steam deck?

frigid heath
mighty patrol
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I read somewhere on reddit it's not updated to ue5 yet

frigid heath
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i dont see why ue5 wouldnt package too steamdeck its been out a while, also its basically android right?

mighty patrol
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More or less

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Well i'll do some tests eventually and report back

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1gb of vram is what worrys me

frigid heath
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good luck

mighty patrol
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Lords of the fallen works on steam deck so what's the worst that can happen

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Lol

orchid iron
plush turret
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specifically wanting the 4TB option

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I really wanna expand my NVME storage space

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atm its just 500gb

orchid iron
plush turret
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its mostly going to be for gaming

orchid iron
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still has pretty good random read/write, you won't notice much difference between this and some of the highest options on the market

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(excluding the latest intel ssds)

plush turret
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im fine with it

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mainly just want the generally better than HDD speeds that some new games need

orchid iron
plush turret
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hehe

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i do have a SDD but its only 500gb

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its a really nice one

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but its like 4 years old

orchid iron
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this one is from 2022, but the specs rival 2024 pretty well and for the price, I'd grab it if I lived in the US xD

forest jay
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Any predictions on drop dates for rtx 5090 gpu 🙌🙏

plush turret
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probably in the next few months

orchid iron
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I read "drop dates" as "drop rates" and I was about to say 0.000001% xD

plush turret
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so... as a project manager and not really a coder, what exactly would i get from the 5090 that im not getting from my 12gb 3060

halcyon elbow
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Can a macbook air 8 gb ram with m1 run unreal 4 for medium size stylized projects ?
I ran it on 4 gb ram with 30-42 fps

orchid iron
orchid iron
halcyon elbow
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@orchid iron I mean games before 2015 like for example portal , dead space , hitman absolution gameplay and graphics wise

orchid iron
# halcyon elbow <@229158656208273408> I mean games before 2015 like for example portal , dead s...

So I have no idea if there is built in restrictions in the Unreal engine, but if you aim for a project on the same scale as portal it'll work even on unreal engine 5, since much of portal assets are quite light weight, but if you aim for something like hitman forget it because that game project would be very demanding from your hardware, all the furniture assets and texture are really demanding from your GPU and Vram amount

I personally use a 16gb laptop with a nvidia 960 (almost 10 years old) and I can run unreal engine 5.3 quite well at about 60 fps (I think I only use up about 6-7 GB of ram but the maps I work on are quite simple and don't have many large assets

halcyon elbow
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woah thats great

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@orchid iron can you share your work

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maybe dm me

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so i can get a what you are making

orchid iron
halcyon elbow
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Understood

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thanks

forest jay
orchid iron
forest jay
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Likely a pipe dream of a swap sale but I can only hope it’ll work out like that 😆😏

orchid iron
forest jay
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I’m just gonna bank on someone who doesn’t want to wait 1 week or a little longer for 5090

forest jay
# orchid iron big risk xD

I know I know fact is I need to squeeze every last drop I can out of the 4090 for work wish I had a spare 3090 or something to get me by

orchid iron
forest jay
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I haven’t updated to windows 11 on my rig yet I want to but procrastinating because i would want to back everything up prior. What percentage risk to I run just updating not backing up ?

orchid iron
# forest jay I haven’t updated to windows 11 on my rig yet I want to but procrastinating beca...

well you put all your working files in a different drive than the one used by your operating system it would be around 0%

even if you kept it as is, all your stuff should still be there when you update, updates failures don't generally delete your user files

tbh you should probably stick to windows 10 until they officially end support since you really aren't missing out, but if you do, I'd reccomend backing everything up and doing a clean install (wiping everything and then installing your OS) since a lot of bloat may have accumulated on your windows 10 machine

delicate crystal
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Looked up what a 4090 is here. 2500 and up. Yikes

mighty patrol
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cad?

delicate crystal
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Yes sir

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Throwing this out there; would 4 gb more vram be that big of a difference? Seeing an asrock ex 7900 xtx for 1200 vs a sapphire 7900 xt for 925

forest jay
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So I thought to myself hmm maybe if I make the jump it’ll run more smoothly ? Was just wishful thinking mostly

orchid iron
forest jay
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Worth mentioning I use msi center and try to control my speed in there when I want my machine to run super quiet and less power. Always think this could be messing it up a little also

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It is so bad it is good

fallen oasis
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Let's be fair, it's not the guys you want to show off to in that video 😛

orchid iron
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New Year, New Hardware, let's wish for the best

mellow galleon
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mices are so fragile, after just 250 hrs of factorio my brand new razer deathadder lmb started to severely double click.
now sitting resoldering switches from dead steeelseries sensei (which got dead scrollwheel stepper in three months of POE) onto deathadder

orchid iron
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I wonder how many clicks you did on that button

mellow galleon
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i think they are very prone to break (the internal plate slightly bends) when you do a lot of selection with button held

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since it is not first time i have to resolder switches

orchid iron
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10 million click life span? You are telling me you clicked a mouse 10 million times in 250 hours, that's 40k clicks per hour or 11 clicks per second

orchid iron
mellow galleon
agile lodge
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2k for new rtx 5090

mighty patrol
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That's it

frank glade
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5070 matches 4090 performance? really

median marsh
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i would wait for 3rd party benchmarks...

lunar aurora
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matches 4090 performance!***

***: IF you enable the new DLSS which triples the framerate with generated, fake frames

naive cloak
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I think they mean matches power consumption 😄

orchid iron
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Yup, a 5070 beats a 4090 in terms of fps if you could all the AI generated frames as "actual frames", the number of AI dedicated cores has massively increased from the previous gen, so expect Nvidia cards to get out of stock pretty quickly if the AI trends gets on same scale as crypto

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Up to 8 frames can be generated from 1 real frame

hushed cloud
lunar aurora
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4090 vs 5090

hushed cloud
lunar aurora
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Oh the gray bar is just the 5090's baseline without DLSS, frame generation, all that

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but yeah they can apparently generate 4 fake frames per real rendered frame

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which, of course, will have caveats and tradeoffs and never be "real" frames

hushed cloud
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So from a raw performance standpoint maybe like ~32% gains?

lunar aurora
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My rough ballpark would be... mm, 40, 45ish

orchid iron
lunar aurora
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I guess we're gonna have to bait for wenchmarks

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but on paper it does look to be quite a bit more powerful

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and oh my fucking GOD

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Nearly 600 watts of power draw under load

orchid iron
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but conveniently, only 1 of those shiny 12v high power cables rated for 600w

grave sundial
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5080 seems like a nice long-term upgrade for me.
But, long-term aside, I'll skip this generation for now.

hushed cloud
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Also someone pointed out that they did the tests on 4090 using FP8 and FP4 for 5090, so the tests are not even the same?

orchid iron
naive cloak
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all this time they just pretended to work on next gen GPU but what they actually did was to invent marketing trick to make people buy "new" GPU

hushed cloud
naive cloak
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but what they do is blatant false advertising, its illegal but they keep getting away with it.

hushed cloud
naive cloak
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they can sue X, Meta etc. why not Nvidia?

hushed cloud
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It also takes money

fallen oasis
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If you have substantially less money than somebody else, you can't sue them. It's just a pointless exercise.

orchid iron
orchid iron
# naive cloak they can sue X, Meta etc. why not Nvidia?

Nvidia was sued so many times for anti-trust
Plus this marketing team has a way to make their slide "legally correct" by making some very small-sized text that make it possible to get the claims, although they may not align with realistic use cases

Think of the AMD's slide which said the 5700xt matched the 14700k or something like that, but in the small text, it said that they both used an RX 6600, which is a major bottle neck and would tie it with even a 9800x3d in the set up they had

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so, i want to hardwire 2 houses that are about 30-35 meters apart, i have some people saying to lay fiber down, others say simple direct bury ethernet is fine.

the only factor is id LIKE to drop it in the same hole as the 100amp power to the new building is going in, maybe seperated by 15-30cm of hard pack dirt

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1 end will be inside a climate controlled area, the other will be in a spot that wont ever get wet, but also isnt climate controlled at all

orchid iron
median marsh
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i hope he's not planning to put a plain cable into the ground oO

plush turret
median marsh
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i would still use some kind of empty tube around it

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can't be that expensive for 30ft and you can easy swap the cable if it get's faulty or if you decide to change to fibre at some point

plush turret
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30 meters

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i have tons of PVC pipe

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but its all plastic

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dunno if thats going to prevent any interference issues when its next to 100amps of power

median marsh
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no, but it would allow you to swap cables or add more

plush turret
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same vertical, space but im assuming 6-12 inches spacing should help

median marsh
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i don't think that it will have much influence (if any at all)

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after all the ethernet cable is shielded

plush turret
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i REALLY dont want to have to dig another 30 meter trench

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and ethernet is fine for signal distance up to what? 300 meters?

median marsh
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🤷

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depends on the connection speed/cable/switch

plush turret
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linearly the router to new structure by cable is going to be ~80 meters

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all cat6

median marsh
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you don't have google in the USA?

plush turret
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rn im on internet so slow google times out

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funny enough discord runs fine at 15kb/s

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web pages however do not

orchid iron
plush turret
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dual band routers have 2.4 and 5.0 ghz wifi right?

mighty patrol
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Yes

little granite
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trying to help out a friend whos trying to decide between the huion kamvas pro (2.5k) 16 and the newly revealed gen 3 16.
the gen 3 has more senitivity, as well as other features that are improved on, but theyre hung up on the fact the pro 2.5k has 1200 contrast compared to the gen 3s 1000, plus the gen 3 has 25% less srgbw score

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is that going to be noticeable?

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left is the pro 16, right is gen 3

grave sundial
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If they have used that level of contrast on a previous device before, then yes, they'd feel the difference.

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If it's a price issue, it might be better to go down to a hardware store and try both out, before you buy them, if that's possible.

little granite
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they cost roughly the same

grave sundial
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Did your friend use a similar device before?

little granite
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i lent them my pro 16 2.5k

grave sundial
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Let them buy a 2.5k then.

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If they're comfortable with it, no problem.

little granite
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oh thats useful

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they posted a changelog about the diff between the gen 3 and the 2.5k

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so how has the colour accuracy been enhanced if the gamut is lower

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or do i not know what a gamut means

grave sundial
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If your friend can buy the updated pen separately, they can use it with the 2.5k.

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They'd get the best of both worlds, then.

little granite
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its not compatible

grave sundial
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damn, that narrows the choice down then.

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let them buy what they are comfortable with.

little granite
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i`ll see if i can find any vids comparing the two

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see if the colour/contrast is noticeable

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i know nothing about this stuff

grave sundial
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There are gen 3 reviews on YT.

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I am watching one right now.

little granite
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Yeah, saw that

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he judges it to an xp pen one tho

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im gonna look at the 13 gen 3 review comparisons, see if thats at all comparable

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Now this, THIS is a GPU cooler

median marsh
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the whole design is awesome

naive cloak
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its funny how instead of building GPUs and make them generate FPS they work on everything else but that, they created DLSS, then have to invent ways to solve lag issues and all the other problems that generating fake frames create 🤦‍♂️

mighty cosmos
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There is a reason why amd is pretty much not competing anymore and why improvements even on the CPU side are becoming smaller and smaller each generation

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it's harder and harder to squeeze out more performance out of the chip by shrinking the hardware down

median marsh
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just double the size and the speed, easy

mighty cosmos
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thermals and power usage go brrr

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# mighty cosmos There is a reason why amd is pretty much not competing anymore and why improveme...

It isn't the first time AMD isn't competing in high end, it already happened multiple times in the past where they skip the high end on one or 2 gens, then they make high end again, it all depends on if people will actually buy it, the 7900 xt and 7900 xtx didn't sell well, so they are rethinking their strategy and with UDNA, perhaps either UDNA 1 or UDNA 2 will have a high end capable of either rivaling nvidia or at least having a product in between the 90 class and 80 class, because a class having double the cores of the one below it, is ridiculous to me

naive cloak
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der8auer invented new measure unit: AIPM (AI per minute) 🤣 😢

agile lodge
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nvidia got it a lot

naive cloak
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I think nvidia is leading in AIPM

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show one proof of concept of a integrated circuit which works with optical signals

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and to be nice, i'm fine with an equivalent to 55k transistors, which is equivalent to an 186 cpu

orchid iron
# worn sun Not true at all, why people keep saying this!! Makes me angry. Transistors 0.3nm...

quantum computers have been created decades ago, yet the quantum computers of today still can't rival good ol' x86 stuff because just because some prototypes are made, doesn't mean they are production ready or offer better price to performance compared to existing competition

The new transistors look good, and are objectively superior, but overcoming all the challenges in using them will likely take a really long time

mighty cosmos
mighty patrol
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We are lucky we even have the internet don't push it w/ quantum pcs.

wise elbow
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modern quantum computers are absolutely infinitely faster than traditional computers in tasks that are efficient for them

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they just aren't very general yet

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not to mention programming one is completely alien when compared to traditional computers

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problems in technology are always with doing it in scale, with consistent quality, and in time

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im sure you can make a .3nm transistor CPU, but at what cost?
would it be better than 50 normal cpus for the same price?

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people whine about dlss like it's a useless technology... it clearly isn't or people wouldn't use it.
it has tradeoffs like everything else in computing, and it turns out that in the majority of cases where it has a use, the positives exceed the negatives.
the only complaint I understand about relying on dlss with less hardware is that the hardware should be cheaper which is a completely sound argument. there's a reason AMD was cheaper last generation; it had significantly less specialized hardware for raytracing and AI while keeping the same rasterization performance which is good enough unless you want the functionality that missing hardware provides. then you have to pay the green tax...

orchid iron
wise elbow
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otherwise dead on arrival

mighty cosmos
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tsmc A16 is expected for 2026 , intel14a for 2027

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So far we have had:
tsmc 20nm 2014 tsmc 16nm 2015 Intel 14nm 2015 tsmc 10nm 2017 tsmc 7nm 2018 tsmc 5nm 2020 tsmc 3nm 2023 tsmc 2nm 2025 intel 18a 2025 tsmc 16a 2026(expected) intel 14a 2027(expected)
The increase in density and decrease in power consumption has kept fine along the updated nodes. How come is it that "we have become unable to produce more efficient fabrication nodes" ?

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It annoys me that phones have been getting the more cutting edge nodes. I suppose it's only natural for that to happen when people are spending four figures on phones with a relatively tiny chip, while most mainstream desktop gpus are three figures and workstation gpus prefer to be fat as $#%&.

worn sun
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Like Apple's m4 core compared to intels 285, both are using tsmc 3nm, m4 core is 3x-5x times more efficient. Its insane

mighty cosmos
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No one at any point has mentioned anything about not being able to produce more efficient process nodes
The point is that that rate of progress is evidently slowing down with smaller and smaller generational uplifts

mighty cosmos
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if you say so 👍

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all evidence suggested otherwise and it's a pretty well known thing that's happening

worn sun
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the nodes improvements are within what was expected

worn sun
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gpu performance has been going 2x every 2 years

mighty cosmos
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why are you surprised at everything?

wise elbow
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its cuz x86 is losing foothold as arm chips get used in more and more

worn sun
wise elbow
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mighty cosmos
wise elbow
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arm is actually moving forward quite fast now that it's in more than phones (for consumers)

worn sun
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arm cpues have been improvinga toon, be apple or cortex/snapdragon

wise elbow
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and tbh, x86 is still getting process improvements. would be better if Intel had done basically anything in the last few years

worn sun
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4090 was 75-100% more performant than 3090, same situation for 5090 v 4090

mighty cosmos
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5090 is 20-32% faster than 4090

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where are you getting these numbers from?

worn sun
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although 5090 is 4nm, same node as 4090

wise elbow
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there's no real benchmarks on the 5090 but even the official Nvidia ones only show a at most 30% improvement

mighty cosmos
worn sun
wise elbow
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should really be compared to the 3090ti...

mighty cosmos
# worn sun

you chose the worst possible website to compare GPUs

wise elbow
# worn sun

that website is run by a delusional lunatic

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LOL

worn sun
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# worn sun

also game fps doesnt directly correlates to gpu power differential, because while a system may use a 2x gpu, wont be using 2x ram or cpu

mighty cosmos
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skewed chart

wise elbow
# worn sun

why is dlss on in any of those benchmarks?

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4k

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The difference here is mostly from much higher memeory bandwidth on the 4090

worn sun
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In some games there is a 95-100% performance uplift indeed. and almost 100%+ difference while just changing the gpu is huge and it means more than 2x the actual power of graphics card

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as for the 5090 yeah its still on 4nm need to check on benchs

mighty cosmos
worn sun
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but 2080ti vs 3090 was similar up to 90% performance uplift (actual fps)

worn sun
mighty cosmos
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1 game is an exception not the norm

worn sun
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there are some that show that level of improvement

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# worn sun

also gears tactics 81 vs 177 (and thats unreal)

naive cloak
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the problem is that 50 series is fake, 30 and 40 series price is higher than it was on release, didn't changed even after 50 series release 🤣 😢

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only solution is to boycott Nvidia, but no one will do it...

worn sun
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that has never happened before

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even gtx 1000 vs 2000 was 16 / 12

naive cloak
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CEO was too busy slaughtering crocodiles for his fancy cringejacket...

worn sun
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they should have used n3e, doubt there was clock issues, more likely it was a cost thing

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I think they will release rtx 6000 sooner specially when 2nm will be a thing this year

mighty cosmos
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The 5090 raw performance uplift roughly correlates to the increase in cuda cores, which is about 32%, plus massive increase in tensor cores (which I mainly care about)
In high resolution scenarios and VR there will probably be up to 40% raw uplift because the memory bandwidth is pretty much doubled

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worn sun
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only apple with m4 max / ultra

naive cloak
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5090 is basically Quadro

mighty cosmos
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would rather be without a pc than buy anything from apple

worn sun
mighty cosmos
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by what metric

worn sun
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everything

mighty cosmos
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specify then

naive cloak
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nvidia is apple at this point

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"the more you buy the more you save" lol

mighty cosmos
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only thing Apple has over anything is efficiency, everything else is pretty mediocre

naive cloak
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most efficient marketing department

delicate crystal
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they're all right for basic work tasks. Had an apple for doing devops and python/go coding. Woudln't buy one for anything else

mighty patrol
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Isn't Metal api still relatively dated compared to even vulkan?

worn sun
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the m4 cores are the strongest

mighty patrol
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But when it comes to game dev Apple wouldn't exactly be the best choice.

orchid iron
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@worn sun see the thing is, someone compared the m4 to the 4090 in benchmarks that were both on apple and windows, to which the m4 lost by a landslide

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Also, a lot of GPU performance increase aren't limited to the die itself, especially for gaming, you can have the best die in the world and if you got slow gddr, low band with and bit bus, your performance will be aweful

Gaming is a very difficult benchmark, so many other variables influence its performance compared to blender rendering, video editing, AI benchmark, and other types of workloads

So when you say double performance each 2 year (which BTW used to be each 1 year!!! ) do specify on which workload as not all workloads are the same

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a thunder struck a near building. The monitor blinked for a moment

orchid iron
devout pendant
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no

timber cobalt
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Just a note. Overcurrent protection in plugs only good-ish for protect your equipments from lightnings that struck far away. Proper overcurrent protections has three stages and the first stages maybe protects from near hits and they are sacrificial devices.

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So having protection in plugs/powerstrips can cause false sense of security.

orchid iron
fresh fog
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No, and you don't want to daisy chain a surge protector anyway.

If you have old ones, you should probably replace them too. Surge protectors go bad after a while.
What the message is getting at is that if you want proper protection you need a dedicated UPS if I'm not mistaken

timber cobalt
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Nope, first stage at the meter where the electricity enters the building, the second atage at the breakers, and third stages is in the power strips.
At least that is the european standard.
Not really doable DIY

fresh fog
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huh damn, didn't know the meters had protection too

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that's neat

timber cobalt
fresh fog
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Is there any benefit to a UPS over a regular surge protector? I've heard they're better but not why

timber cobalt
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That system is rarely installed because it is expensive and was not an issue in the past

timber cobalt
fresh fog
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fair enough

timber cobalt
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But I honestly I dont know

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And it usually protects the UTP as well

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I mean lan cable

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I plan to install a full protection in our house, but it can be around €500-800

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I cant find a proper semantics about the full system but it is going by BCD surge protection or similar names. B,C,D (or Type 1,2,3) are the stages (B just after the meters, C at the breakers, D in outlets,UPS, etc)

orchid iron
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Okay, so my building from 1980 probably doesn't have stage 1 and 2 xD

orchid iron
timber cobalt
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huh, good question. how it gets electricity?

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from the grid?

timber cobalt
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we will have probably some update (getting three phase) and that would be a good occasion to add that. Fortunate for us I am also an electrician, so it would be as expensive as the material.

orchid iron
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wise elbow
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the only time I've ever lost anything to a storm has been because of lightning traveling through ethernet lines

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lost an optical panel, two routers, and the port on my mobo all from one strike

delicate crystal
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anyone have any thougths on NAS solutions?

naive cloak
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I dont know much about it but most NAS seems like overpriced low spec mini pc...

delicate crystal
naive cloak
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why you care about weight?

delicate crystal
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usually dont. jsut if I had to move it, my back would be happy not to have to lift 50 lbs 😄

naive cloak
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use mobile server rack

delicate crystal
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hm never knew that was a thing

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on another note, anyone have any recommendation for motherboards for AM5 chips? wanted to get something that could handle future upgrade to 256GB ram, but it's not a hard need. Just not familiar with what makers are good now

timber cobalt
mighty patrol
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I heard good things about them and Ugreen

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For pre-fab nas

timber cobalt
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It is stable, efficient, silent, has good OS (and updated frequently), I can use Docker to install various stuff, etc

naive cloak
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Intel Celeron J3455 Quad-Core? 🤣 crying

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you can buy N100 16gb minipc for ~140$

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or you can buy Synology DiskStation DS718+ J3455 6gb for only 949$

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the more you buy the more you save basically

mighty patrol
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With things like synology or ugreen your also buying the software.

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Ease of use

timber cobalt
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If that is not for you, I understand.

mighty patrol
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Been thinking of trying HexOS

orchid iron
mighty cosmos
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If you can get to about 4800MHz it's fine, improvements past that are minor

But from stock speeds to 4800mhz the difference in performance is pretty big

wise elbow
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am5 motherboards are so expensive

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tbh unless you're going to overclock memory above 6000 mt just get a good b650e

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if you need better I/O, get a x870/e

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otherwise it doesn't really matter

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and imo brands other than Asus and MSI have really poor rear io

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x870e hero is crazy expensive

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it's hard to go wrong with any of the major manufacturers unless you go on the low end

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all depends on what you need/care about

delicate crystal
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orchid iron
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I did the same for 128gb, I waited until AM5 got 2 gens, then I bought the best AM4 stuff xD

naive cloak
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or wait till Canada becomes 51st state and buy then 🧠 🧠

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# orchid iron Is it at random or specifically under heavy load?

that's a good question. It's not under heavy load, but it's only when unreal is running. It might be when it's processing something (it's been a while). Also i'm running windows 10 and it's held together with hopes adn dreams due to issues with updates so there's probably an os component as well

orchid iron
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If it is truely random, I'd consider full clean reinstall of everything from a wiped drive, because the problem is likely driver thing, and I can't be bothered if a full wipe followed by reinstallation does the same thing better

orchid iron
delicate crystal
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Btw, window needs a lot of updates and reboots in a row to be fully updated, just a note for you when you do it ^^

delicate crystal
orchid iron
wise elbow
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it won't bottleneck anything for a while if you get a board with PCIE 5 for the GPU and NVME ssd

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and PCIE 5 NVME basically isn't even worth getting rn...

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the vrms (power supply for CPU) is so overkill these days on boards, unless you buy something really budget it'll be fine

delicate crystal
wise elbow
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pcie 3 will definitely bottleneck a PCIE 5 GPU, though if it's a PCIE 4 GPU it ain't gonna affect it much unless it's a 8 lane gpu

delicate crystal
median marsh
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do you have any proofs on that statement?

median marsh
wise elbow
median marsh
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yea, and i'm looking at concrete benchmarks from my link which provides zero evidence for that claim

wise elbow
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if it's a x16 there probably won't be any. id be surprised if pcie5 doesn't suffer performance loss in a 3 though

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how many lanes is the 3080?

median marsh
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16 most likely

wise elbow
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that makes sense

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i remember reading about x8 cards like the 4060 performing significantly worse in PCIE3 than 4 because of the low vram

median marsh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tk_he0FkKk even 4090 with 16 pci ex3 lanes isn't really limited in usual game workloads

The RTX 4090 provides a lot of performance when it comes to gaming. With a graphics card this fast, I was concerned what would happen if I used it on a motherboard which only supported PCIe 3.0. The RTX 4090 supports PCIe 4.0 and with its very fast capabilities, one would think it would require a lot of bandwidth which therefore may be held back...

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i doubt that the 4060 is 8 lanes

wise elbow
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yeah even a 4090 doesn't use the full bandwidth of pcie4x16

median marsh
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even my 3060 uses 16 lanes if it gets them

wise elbow
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4060 is 8 lanes, even the ti

median marsh
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ok, that may show a difference when restricted to pci ex3

wise elbow
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pretty much any new AM5 motherboard will have pcie5 luckily

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out of curiosity, why go from tr4 to AM5? you're gonna have like 1/3 the number of PCIE lanes for io

delicate crystal
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the tr4 board is five years old, wanted to upgrade the video card and it sounds like the board would bottleneck that, and well I just figured AM5 was the next step (I'm woefully out ot touch when it comes to the hardware marketplace)

orchid iron
# delicate crystal the tr4 board is five years old, wanted to upgrade the video card and it sounds ...

The 7900 xtx won't be restricted by your hardware, rest assured, very few niche cases in with you'd see it use all it's x16 lanes in the first place, x8 lanes of gen 4 is fine, so using x16 lanes of gen 3 is also fine

I'd reccomend waiting a bit longer as AM5 and the new Arrow in the Knee Intel socket are both still expensive, not really real world tested for 256gb (I trust in house testing as much as the next guy)
and still kinda unstable due to how bleeding edge it is, although getting more and more stable with each new driver and BIOS updates xD

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If you have over 32 lanes to use in the PCIE slots, you could even run 2 7900 xtx or 1 7900 xtx and a extension card to add more SSDs connected to your CPU directly for blazing fast speeds

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Yeah, you could easily run 2 recent GPUs and also multiple extra ssd storage, BTW you can already have up to 256 GB of ram on your machine, so why are you looking at AM5? Because you have quad channel you'd get quite good performance out of the RAM over a dual channel system

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Your CPU has 60 pcie lanes at gen 3, did you ever have more stuff plugged into the CPU that wasn't your GPU?

delicate crystal
delicate crystal
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was mainly looking at AM5 because I thought it was the successor to what I had. Sounds like I may be in error and my past self over engineered things to my advantage?

delicate crystal
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orchid iron
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Also, why don't you do 256gb of ram on your current setup?

delicate crystal
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orchid iron
orchid iron
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Yes it is, so you either pay more or use Linux xD

delicate crystal
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orchid iron
delicate crystal
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no issues with stuff supported by nvidia that isn't by amd? I always remember raytracing being a thing, but I feel that's out of date

orchid iron
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delicate crystal
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should see how much this will be, but I'm thinking it'll be coming in at about 2k or so (vid card, memory, two ssd drives)

orchid iron
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The removable fan make it trivially easy to clean and replace them, you could even ask XFX for new ones if they break, this card is min/Max to last as long as possible

orchid iron
delicate crystal
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was doing it through pcpartpicker. Havent' seen what my local supplier would do. I'm also in Canada so there's that

orchid iron
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Still better than Africa

It shouldn't be so high, even in Europe, all the stuff would cost around 1500 even if you went with 4T each ssd

delicate crystal
orchid iron
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I got most of my parts from there, as long as you pick Amazon or a near 5 star seller to buy from, the delivery is very nice

delicate crystal
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will give them a look as well. Had a few friends burnt through there so it was a bit leery, but your'e not wrong about vetting the sellers

orchid iron
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Haven't used newegg, but heard they are okay, also if you are close enough to a microcenter maybe you could get some nice deals

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There is also this site called "forward to me" never used it, but it may be useful if your prices are that bad, from reading the reviews people got problems due to trying to cheap out and putting the wrong item worth or type to save money but then having it be stuck in a warehouse for months

orchid iron
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@delicate crystal BTW what cpu cooler do you use? Because Tj Max of your CPU is around 70 °C so if you are usually around there, you may be experiencing worse performance

delicate crystal
# orchid iron <@247897381499043840> BTW what cpu cooler do you use? Because Tj Max of your CP...
orchid iron
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only 1 fan or 2?

delicate crystal
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that I don't know

orchid iron
wise elbow
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if it's been a long time since you installed it, repasting your cooler would probably give significant improvements

jaunty horizon
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hello, I've got a question
i'm currently using a laptop in my place and want to use 2 ssd all the time
but my usb ports are all working so I thought using a usb hub may do the work for me

unfortunately, it was not - I could see the blue light on ssd (believe it gets electricity) but not recognized in system

any guess why this happens and pls suggest a solution if you got any
thanks!

grave sundial
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How old is the laptop? Which USB ports does your laptop have - 1.0, 2.0, 3.0? Which OS are you using?

jaunty horizon
grave sundial
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Have you tested the SSDs on another computer?

jaunty horizon
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oh it's 25 now, so now 4 years old lol

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you mean each SSD? it works if i plug it to laptop directly

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but through usb hub, negative

grave sundial
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Oh, you are not plugging it into the laptop, but into a hub and then it fails?

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Does the hub have high ampere usb inputs, or just low power usb inputs?

jaunty horizon
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OH.... that's the point that i don't know

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guess I need to check it out

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would you pls tell me how can i know it is high/low?

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like 5A is high enough

grave sundial
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Modern USB hubs usually have a lightning symbol - like thunderbolt - above high powered usb ports.

jaunty horizon
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so this is the hub

grave sundial
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Yeah. That port on the bottom with the lightning symbol.

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Try with that.

jaunty horizon
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sad... now the blue light is gone

grave sundial
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Might be a hub problem then.

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If you check the pics, you can see the lightning symbol on the 'powered' ports.

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You put the 'high powered' devices into those.

jaunty horizon
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oh yeah got what you mean