hardware

[unborn pike]

my PC is now so quiet that I can hear my PSU fan spinning up 😐

[mellow vessel]

at boot? is that a problem? if you have a decent PSU it might even work passively most of the time when in OS

[unborn pike]

nah, I was just trying to seem funny

it's so quiet

that the only audible thing is the PSU now

some 800W corsair (80 plus gold iirc)

[mellow vessel]

so it's not quiet then

you need to spend more on it and make it 0 dB

[unborn pike]

😄

I wonder if you can submerse PSUs into mineral oil 🤔

[mellow vessel]

water cool it

micro pipe to every component that might heat up

what a fun project

[orchid iron]

Go Seasonic x Noctua PSU

It's a 1600w PSU which is hella good

You'll hear your neighbour's PC better than you hear yours

[fallen oasis]

I wonder what the carbon footprint is of all the useless leds in teh world.

[unborn pike]

probably less than my farts

[frank glade]

I spent all this time optimizing fan curves and positions and everything

But the fridge is next to me

So its always noisy lol

[orchid iron]

Put noctua fans in the fridge

[fervent jolt]

at my last house i literally put my PC behind a wall, in a back basement (had a half-developed basement office on one side and mech room on the other) and it was soooo nice, 100% silence

[violet spade]

And as bonus if it catches on fire you won’t even realize

[median marsh]

honestly it's my dream, too

[unborn pike]

get a fridge with a linear inverter compressor or whatever they are called

[orchid iron]

and put Noctua fans on it

[daring sail]

Hey… I’m into programming but don’t know design and art… How can i learn unreal and get a job? Also i’m a beginner and don’t know much about anything… guide me to buy a machine as well…
Thank u in advance

[plush turret]

Looking for a budget but reliable 4TB NVMe ssd. Any suggestions?

Budget is at or around $250 + tax

And how would i transfer my windows os into the new ssd

[plush turret]

trying to choose between these 2:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B25M8FXX/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BRQ1GPZQ/

[orchid iron]

I'd recommend Crucial, they have their own fabs and they've been very reliable

[orchid iron]

there are quite a lot of tutorials online, however I'd recommend just doing a clean install, much less bloat and junk from the previous one, and if I remember correctly your windows actiavation key is stored on your motherboard, not on ssd, so it should be already activated when you install windows

[orchid iron]

this is #hardware we can help out with hardware, what's your machine budget and for what purposes / programs do you want to use your machine?

[mellow vessel]

and what's your current setup @daring sail
maybe it's just fine to start?

[mellow vessel]

@plush turret look at Silicon Power US75. Lacks in some areas (no DRAM), but will most likely outlive whatever that LEVEN thing is. And vs Crucial, which is not a bad choice itself, has an advantage of TLC vs QLC. That is if they haven't silently switched the chips to QLC...

[plush turret]

my current drive is this: https://www.memory4less.com/samsung-ssd-mzvlw512hmjp-000l2

its been swapped through like 5 different devices, dropped in water, accidentally played with, and yet still has zero issues

[grave sundial]

Samsung PROs are pretty good. I bought an MSI myself and with the LARGE TBW on it, I think it'll be fine for awhile.

[plush turret]

yeah, i really just game on my stuff

so its more an endurance issue

I plan to put the PM961 as my Unreal dedicated drive once i swap to the larger one

i also have a 1TB WD black, but its not even close to the same reliability class as the PM961

[grave sundial]

I checked the sizes of all the assets I'd end up hoarding. I've concluded I'd probably need an 8TB drive for UE crap.

[plush turret]

oh im storing all my assests on a 16TB WB server drive

i have 2 of those

[grave sundial]

cool!

[plush turret]

or well they are inbound

[grave sundial]

I wish I could store the assets in my DNA.

I bet there's a ton of space there.

[plush turret]

im also working on getting 2 SATA based 4TB SSD's

the 2.5 inch ones

[grave sundial]

STORAGE 💪

[plush turret]

i have a pair of mount points for them on my rig

plus 4 NVMe slots

[grave sundial]

Same here.

I've a ton of space for SSDs and 3 more NVMe(s).

[naive cloak]

I am pretty sure soon it will be possible to just use AI that will make game ready assets

[plush turret]

I want more SATA desktop drive slots but, I may just move to one of those RAID storage boxes

[grave sundial]

You can already, but the higher resolutions aren't great yet.

[plush turret]

so... i store a LOT of movies and shows and such, and then my family streams them from my computer (cause gigbit internet FTW) so i need a LOT of drive space

already using up like 3.2TB of space

[grave sundial]

🤔 We need to have diamond storage.

[plush turret]

crystal based storage?

[grave sundial]

100TB diamonds that shine bright and store shit.

[plush turret]

babylon 5 goes brrr

[grave sundial]

I imagine blood diamonds will acquire whole new perspectives.

[plush turret]

tbh natural diamonds wouldnt be useful for data storage compared to lab made

easier to control any imperfections in lab made

[grave sundial]

The Japanese already made a breakthrough in using diamonds in semi-conductors or something.

They said far lower temperatures, massive overclocking, and other shit will be possible with the tech.

[plush turret]

and imperfections or contaminates would be essentially like bad sectors on a drive

[grave sundial]

We'll divide them.

Perfections for work projects.

Imperfections to store porn.

[plush turret]

😂

but honestly

well im on fixed income which just barely meets my monthly needs atm, so to afford any drives i have to go sell blood plasma

to overhaul all my drives im gonna need to get stuck twice a week every week essentially until cristmas

[naive cloak]

so basically we will use stone to store information? like ancient Egyptians?

[grave sundial]

Yes, assuming the Egyptians built diamond pyramids.

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/definitely-maybe-romance-comedy-ryan-reynolds-yep-gif-5008341450946414225

the 16tb drives i ordered: https://serverpartdeals.com/products/toshiba-md08-md08aca16tr-16tb-7-2k-rpm-sata-6gb-s-512e-desktop-3-5-recertified-hard-drive?variant=48033785643286

they do replace any drive if it comes damaged or non working so thats good

and half the new list price keeps me from getting stuck by a transfusion needle

[grave sundial]

I wonder what the largest storage drive around is.

[plush turret]

like as in period or "the average person can get ahold of"

[grave sundial]

Seagate 32TB, commercially.

[plush turret]

im pretty sure the largest period i think are those mamoth exobyte drives nasa uses

but they are like 80 grand

[grave sundial]

a few kidneys then?

[plush turret]

😂

honestly if i could get its listed actual value, id 100% sell a kidney

[plush turret]

2 of these

2 4TB SATA SSD's

4, 4TB NVMe's and poof ill have all the storage i should want

do they make solid state RAID boxes?

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.com/Bay-Enclosure-3-0＋eSATA-Supports-Capacity/dp/B0CXPD9J6X

This one?

[plush turret]

more NVMe

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.in/Highpoint-SSD6204A-Controller-Virtualization-Systems/dp/B0B2BY58Y2

This one?

[plush turret]

not really, i mean like a box like you first showed me (stand alone) but i can throw a few NVMe drives in it then USB 3.2 it into my pc

[median marsh]

what are those companies? oO

get a samsung, wd or crucial

not 3rd party bullshit

[plush turret]

I have had multiple toshiba drives, they actually work really good

I still use a few

and never had a Western digital drive crap out on me either

their blue, black and gold models work well, but had slow write times on their red

but im pretty sure those are camera surveillance drives

they are cheap as hell

[mellow vessel]

wd red? they are NAS-oriented and higher in the stack. greens and blues are lower tier, normal drives. and purples are the surveillance ones

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Express-4M2-4-Slot-Enclosure-OWCTB3EX4M2SL

This one, then?

Supports 4 NVMes.

But, there's a speed limitation of 2,800MB/s.

[orchid iron]

it got that low read and write speed though xD

[orchid iron]

Seagate has historically been pretty unreliable comapred to others

[grave sundial]

It's the only option you have for 32TB commercially. Apparently, the largest one on the market atm.

[plush turret]

ive had 3 seagate drives arrive dead, new from the factory

4tb each

[orchid iron]

yup, that's the unreliablility I'm talking about

[mellow vessel]

could've been a shipping issue. exos drives are rather reliant

not sure about lower tiers

[plush turret]

i got it from micro center

which means they had normal factory to retailer shipping

which the WD blue drive i bought had zero issues

like the next day

[mellow vessel]

this shows though that "it depends"
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-q2-2024/

[mellow vessel]

well, if a carrier drops one package but not the other...

[orchid iron]

all I found about WD is that they are trying some scummy things with their software like maybe planned obsolescence, but it may have been a bug :D
Also making some cheap black drives that aren't actually all that good or even deserve to be black...That's a sentence

[mellow vessel]

[orchid iron]

"there are high standards to be black" -WD's customers

[plush turret]

WD's black line is supposed to be their best

[orchid iron]

it is the gaming one, which is what people like, so it is black? Company marketing is odd imo

gold is enterprise, so for durability it might be worth looking at those

[plush turret]

oh yes, i have

but they tend to be 20%+ more in cost

which is great if your going to do enough to need enterprise grade stuff

[median marsh]

there is no best imho

they have those "colors" as they serve different use cases

e.g.a DVR doesn't need high rpm datarates, but a drive which doesn't run hot when working 24/7

in most data centers heat isn't a problem, so they can run a little hotter because the heat will get transfered out real quick

[grave sundial]

Today, I read that AMD is releasing a BIOS update for Ryzen 9 users. Just a heads up.

It's aimed at ASUS motherboards first, but I think MSI is also porting the update to its boards.

You allegedly get performance improvements. It's a BETA update though, so use with caution.

[daring sail]

Currently I have macbook air m1…

[daring sail]

I want to make games using unreal… but don’t know where to start and what to do… what kind of machine do I need!

[orchid iron]

is it the one that makes 130 ns cross ccd latency into 70-80ns?

[orchid iron]

yeah, macbook air m1 kinda difficult to work with (I don't think it is impossible though)

Like I asked, what is your budget?

[daring sail]

I can spend like 1 lakh rupees… or 1000 dollars

[orchid iron]

alright, you can get something quite good with that, so next up, budget management, what games do you wanna make? Do you want to focus more on gameplay or the visuals?

[daring sail]

Thats the point where I fell blank… I just know programming… No idea of visuals, art and designs…

[orchid iron]

ah a man of culture, programming is best, just start with gameplay then, what gameplay to you enjoy playing/coding for?

[daring sail]

Very new to this gaming field… I just wanna make games… but don’t know how

[daring sail]

I like games with puzzles n all… small games but very interactive…

I like playing tomb raider

[orchid iron]

oh nice, based opinion, okay so think about some game ideas, i gtg for around 30 minutes, once I'm back we can be in a vc and I can tell you more about part picking if you are up for it

[grave sundial]

When it said 'for Ryzen 9', I skipped the changelog. 😄

I initially thought it'd include the Ryzen 7 series.

[orchid iron]

yeah only ryzen 9 has ccd issues

ryzen 7 only has one ccd

[daring sail]

Sure I’m totally up for it…

[grave sundial]

Aye, but I only love upgrades that help me. 😄

So, I didn't read the log in detail.

[orchid iron]

@daring sail alright I'm in a vc

[daring sail]

!stream

[sleek grove]

Took out old drives from an external enclosure and dediced to check their SMART data since I can't check it over the USB

That one drive pulled from WD external certainly wasn't among the best

[plush turret]

1tb

[sleek grove]

Yes

the left one is from my first pc

ironically, the last piece remaining from it

I also have a couple of 3TB Reds with like 50k hours on them

should probably buy a pair of exos or something

just wondering how loud they might be

[plush turret]

I have a 30gb notebook disk drive from before i was born i still use.

My largest drive has 1,143 days of up time on it

[sleek grove]

I haven't had great luck with 2.5 drives

I have some sony with a password protection thingy on it and it's sluggish as hell

[plush turret]

The 30gb is IDE too

Has mb range read write speeds

But its compatible with 16bit programs so i can play old games

Im replacing all my desktop drives with 16tb ones

And 4, 4tb nvme

[sleek grove]

not much of a datahoarder but thought about getting 16tb to put all the megascans on it

idk if i ever use it tbh

all my extra data fits on a 3TB WD

[plush turret]

Its one of those "eh i wont have to worry

[sleek grove]

if you buy HDDs now it's not really worth it to buy any smaller

[plush turret]

I horde data as a reflex

I had 3mbit internet until a month ago

[sleek grove]

i have 50mbit symmetrical

[plush turret]

Now i have 1gbit

[sleek grove]

i could pay 30€ a month more for 1gbit

[plush turret]

I used to just download EVERYTHING

[sleek grove]

makes sense

[orchid iron]

I'm still in that boat xD

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvjvlIsq0E#

Ryzen AI Max+ 395

That's a product name

[grave sundial]

Is it max bugs, max price, max problems, max speed , or max headaches?

[orchid iron]

Max+ everything

Up to 96 GB that the GPU/NPU can use (the product is an APU) and access to the open source ROCm stack

AI MAX+ BOIII

10 years from now, we'll think these names were pretty tame compared to what is ahead

[grave sundial]

GO MAX! PLUS ULTRA!!!! ✊

[orchid iron]

PLUS ULTRA INSTINCT !!!

[mighty patrol]

You forgot all the numbers

691337x

[mellow vessel]

since they will be available on Fab, there is no need to store them right now

plus you say you might not even use them, then what's the point? keep that $200-250 and spend on actual assets you might need later from the Fab

[sleek grove]

I read as if the megascans assets on Fab will not be the same as they are on Quixel, no?

Though realistically I doubt I work on anything hyper realistic

There will simply be a free promotion of sorts once fab is out and the quixel megascans library is not necessarily the same thing from what I could tell

I mean if it really was as simple as you'd get the same assets on a superior license they would probably instantly tell that to everyone no? Would probably stop the hoarding some people are doing

[mellow vessel]

hmm. at least by the end of year it will be free from Fab with even more lenient licensing. so I would say get some stuff then, not now, if you really want

[sleek grove]

But wasn't the previously acquired assets thing for those that paid and not went along with the UE License

[mellow vessel]

would be nice to get info from someone who downloaded it all, how much space it actually takes (in nanite quality)

then I would personally pick some hard to get or potentially more expensive assets like pivot painted trees

and I wonder what's going to remain free. maybe some smaller pieces still, like smaller rocks, small props and clutter?

[sleek grove]

The way I read it was that the Quixel / Megascans assets that there are now, if you download them locally, they are yours to keep on the UE license. Only if you had a separately paid license, you will get to redeem those assets later on fab. And then, at fab launch there will be some form of a limited promotion of Megascans assets that may not even be the same library.

And another question is what happens to those assets redeemed on the Unreal Engine Marketplace, will they stick to the vault or go poof.

And idk about the quantity, but there are something like 18k assets, and that times something like 800mb average would fit in a 16tb drive

But maybe the bigger nanite meshes are even more oppressive, I only checked a couple - I'm mostly interested in stuff like decals and certain textures anyway, rather than wholesale assets that would anchor me to using other photoscanned assets or otherwise it would not stay consistent

[mellow vessel]

they are yours to keep on the UE license
was there an issue raised about a Fab's license?

Only if you had a separately paid license, you will get to redeem those assets later on fab
But they are moving everything anyway and what's free now will be for free too on Fab till end of the year, no? So just claiming it there (if won't be automatically) before the year ends seems enough of an action.

[sleek grove]

If that library is the same 🙂 It could be more limited in size or different assets

and I don't really know about the fab license, since the standard license has both personal and professional tiers

Whether if only your standing at the time of asset acquisition matters or if you are forced to update the license to the more expensive one later down the road when you hit 100k is also something

The 100k limit really suggests to me they're heavily trying to push it into more "sketch-fab-ish" direction than something like Unreal Engine Marketplace

Even if I did not end up using the assets it would at least be nice to have some actual download space for the marketplace and other assets so I don't need to purge the vault cache every now and then when I have 4 versions of some random asset for different engine versions

It is also very likely that Megascans asset will be updated to accommodate some new feature as they make clear that existing assets won't get updated. And if bridge goes poof altogether and does no longer work as a local library browser, managing those assets would be a big spring cleaning operation

[celest zephyr]

Is it possible to reliably use UE5 on an external SSD? I'm talking about an NVME drive with one of these enclosures.
Are speeds gonna be so low that i can't use the engine?
Anyone has a setup like this?

[naive cloak]

30$? 🤔

[fallen oasis]

I use UE on an external SSD and do not recommend.

[orchid iron]

USB 3.2 make it feel like you are using a HDD instead

An upside is that it is so slow, no matter the speed the SSD has it is so slow it won't be able to heat up enough to damage it

[fallen oasis]

I have a USB 3.2 SSD and it's considerably slower than my NVMe.

[orchid iron]

I have USB 3.0 ports on my laptop, so I couldn't tell you just how slow it feels compared to what you have

[fallen oasis]

I have a pc fast enough where the bottleneck is definitely the hd speed.

And I can tell you an external drive is considerably slower. That is all.

[celest zephyr]

Alright, i got it, no external ssd, thanks!

[median marsh]

also may depend on the controller that is used on the adapter

also raw transferrate isn't everything

random accessing small chunks is more important usually, and i guess that's where their main bottleneck is

[sleek grove]

Using USB adds latency. If you really need an external solution, you could use eSata which woul dbe considerably better, good luck with that though

[vocal cloak]

I'd say it's way over 20TB, the problem is how do you download them when their server throttles and timeouts sessions?

(Even if you attempt to download them by hand you can't queue because the URLs expire and sometimes they do so while mid-download, regardless of your ISP / speed)

[sleek grove]

You can use the Bridge

to queue all downloads

[vocal cloak]

It's so bad 😦

[sleek grove]

It is, but I'd rather deal with the assets later that way rather than try to directly download from the website

[vocal cloak]

I think it will still try to download files even if there's no disk space left, while counting over 100% progress 😂

[sleek grove]

Also, realistically, just prioritize the generally most useful assets like vegetation and generally usable textures

[vocal cloak]

Yeah that's what I was doing!

"things I'd use"

[sleek grove]

I wonder what will have with the Megascans asset packs on the Unreal Engine Marketplace though

Anyway that's not hardware, so I guess this isn't the place to discuss any of it

[vocal cloak]

Not sure, but just FYI the reason I was trying to do it from the site is that you get the source files instead of the uassets

I guess for size reasons they went with jpeg for most textures sadly

[sleek grove]

Well, I guess - but the license is Unreal Engine only, so you'd still have to be mindful with how you use it

[vocal cloak]

That may change given they will cater to Unity, etc. But that's correct "as of now"

[sleek grove]

I've seen a lot of third-party websites with CC0 textures popping up with respectably quality, I wonder if AI gen has something to do with it

[vocal cloak]

I've had to modify some of these in the past, not sure where this stands regarding the license agreement, I figured as long as it's still being used in UE...

[vocal cloak]

I'm only aware of https://cc0-textures.com/ and https://ambientcg.com/

[sleek grove]

I'm not a lawyer but that should be fine as long as whatever you end up using stays in unreal engine

polyhaven

[vocal cloak]

The marketplace vault will remain available through the launcher but the site will no longer be available from what I gathered....

One reason to try and get the fbx / jpegs is that you are not forced to migrate versions / whatever.

It's always been an issue with UE

when you just have a uasset...

Another reason is that you lose the names of the assets if you just want to browse them outside of a project, not sure if the metadata is somewhere else

(There's no directory structure with proper names, that's what I mean)

[sleek grove]

There is a .json file with the relevant data, it would be possible to build a batch export script, but honestly not relevant to me

[vocal cloak]

Oh yeah just noticed, thanks

Also a thumbnail

[orchid iron]

@vocal cloaknice pfp btw xD

[vocal cloak]

🥲

[orchid iron]

anyone tried to max out your RAM capacity?

[vocal cloak]

With UE alone? never could, but the city demo plus another project got close.

[orchid iron]

no I mean have the max amount of ram your cpu can have

like 128 gb or 192 gb

[vocal cloak]

Sure, 128 in this case.

Would be 256 for the next build.

However unless you work with video editing, VMs, etc. Strictly on UE alone (unless it's a very specific project) I could never get past 80~

[orchid iron]

amd or intel? Cause zen5 only goes up to 192 gb, maybe zen6 goes to 256gb

[vocal cloak]

You're thinking desktop / soho builds perhaps 😛

But anyway, that's such a specific requirement it depends on your use case.

[orchid iron]

my use case is big numbers

[vocal cloak]

If you go with amd / threadripper series the maximum logical limit is 2TB of RAM by the way, as per the platform specification. The rest is up to your motherboard and the speed you chose for your RAM. Most small form factor mobos are 256 capable anyway. Then you'd have to worry about whether you'd require ECC or not.

Just analyze the cost / benefit.

[orchid iron]

my use case doesn't have many dollars

[vocal cloak]

Maybe factor in running cost as well

[vocal cloak]

Then stick to desktop sockets and aim for 128?

[orchid iron]

my aim is 192 gb

on a x870e Taichi

[vocal cloak]

Figure out at which speeds you can properly run that amount of ram at, given your desired cpu though, then.

Based on this information you can decide on what to actually buy.

[orchid iron]

yeah, I have, it is about 2000 MT/s

[vocal cloak]

Sadly and quite often the bigger "sticks" the slower they tend to be in terms of latency / speed

2000 is rather low these days 😦

If you can compromise for less capacity vs more speed....

[orchid iron]

my use case is big numbers over speed

[vocal cloak]

Alright but also consider the cpu caches and the software you're using.

Speed is always something we need for any particular case since the only thing we cannot buy is time.

[orchid iron]

my goal with the build is basically a "cheap threadripper" that can handle 2 GPUs

so cpu will be 9950x3D

[violet spade]

A cheap threadripper eh?

[orchid iron]

that souunds like two words that shouldn't be together in a sentence xD

[vocal cloak]

ThreadMuncher

👍

[plush turret]

hey, i know most of yall hate laptops, but im trying to get a basic one for my dad, he rarely uses his desktop anymore (its also really freaking old) and I think a decent laptop would be nice, were not looking to spend more than like $450usd.

His primary uses are email checking, using spreadsheets, and things like booking travel stuff, so any old CPU is fine, but he would need at least 1TB of space as he has been storing all the photos he has ever taken since like 2005

no chrome books

aside from simply walking into best buy or walmart and grabbing whatever is there i though id ask yall for advice

something like this, but likely without the 13900 i9 and 4060 gpu: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C9GLR7YF/

the 1tb SSD, 15 inch screen, and touch capability should fit him

[orchid iron]

~~it has a 4060 and a 14 core gen 13 intel cpu, bro does not need that much according to just "internet browsing" ~~
Nvm, just finished reading what you commented on it

maybe get a laptop where you could upgrade the SSD, because space is generally something you'd run out of even as an avreage user

as a general run, avoid 13/14 because cooling those is a nightmare, I have a 13th gen mini pc and I destroyed all hope this thing has to perform well with the BIOS tweaks I did and it STILL HAS 60 °C AT IDLE

I'm even running a lightweight linux installation, that's how bad this is

[plush turret]

Yeah it also seems like it might be a scam pc

[orchid iron]

acer pc sold by "Computer Upgrade Tech"

||among us moment||

[plush turret]

But yeah, 15 inch screen, wifi 6 compatible, and preferably ssd are kinda the only requirement

[orchid iron]

also I'm clocking 1000/500 MHz on P/E cores for these kinda temps

[orchid iron]

does battery life matter?

[plush turret]

An 8th gen i7 wouldnt be too bad. I used to game on a laptop with that

Not really

But also not wanting an ultrathin

They break so easy

Touch screen would be nice, but not required

Ive had several and sometimes you just wanna poke the screen

Plus he loves all manner of crazy gadgets

[orchid iron]

oh btw 11th gen has a high failure rate

[plush turret]

Learned our tv has bixby, and now he uses voice command for everything

Even if its like 10x slower than just using the remote

[orchid iron]

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=laptop&i=electronics&rh=n%3A172282%2Cp_36%3A-49000%2Cp_n_feature_forty-six_browse-bin%3A5446812011|5446813011|5446815011|5446816011|7817230011%2Cp_n_size_browse-bin%3A2242801011|2423841011|7817234011&s=review-rank&dc&crid=3EC8RYVM17UCO&qid=1727421392&rnid=2421885011&sprefix=lapto%2Caps%2C251&ref=sr_st_review-rank&ds=v1%3Apoo5FPusCh480Lpxqb0YCLkxF2GN5q%2BmxfogCOTLyWY

here is a search with your filters applied

[plush turret]

Yeah i seemed to be lucky picking a 12700k for my main desktop

[orchid iron]

dude amazon has some sketchy sellers

[plush turret]

The inspiron looks great but jeezus the price for just the dual drive feature

It does

I checked microcenter but but they only have 1 pc below 500

*laptop

[orchid iron]

just go to a store irl and pick one that doesn't have intel 11/13/14th gen or any amd one since there isn't any known issues with those really

maybe ask for swappable ssd too

[plush turret]

Yeah

[orchid iron]

so you could swap his ssd with up to 4T one

[plush turret]

Ssd is so fcking cheap these days

He wouldnt possibly need more than 2

[orchid iron]

yeah but laptop makes still charge you for it

so even being able to swap it is enough

[plush turret]

Because they can

[orchid iron]

no need for dual slot

[plush turret]

Yeah

If its nvme i can probably pull my spare 1tb nvme out when i get another 4tb one and give it too him

[orchid iron]

you'll see

tbh nvme kinda overkill for everyday browsing

perf increase from sata to nvme isn't as big as hdd to ssd

[plush turret]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-15-6-touch-screen-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-8gb-memory-512gb-ssd-natural-silver/6569668.p?skuId=6569668

Oh agreed, but im always going to use nvme until something demonstratably faster comes out so if i get bigger drives i can always give him the old ones to increase his storage

My current C drive is actually the smallest drive i have

But its an uber drive, its been mildly singed by a weak fire around the og laptop, spent the night at the bottom of a lake, and even been chewed on by a cat

Still works flawlessly

[orchid iron]

HP min/maxing a health build I see

[opaque pond]

i have this and its kinda bad

[plush turret]

but do you only look at photos and check emails on it?

[opaque pond]

even for that it feels like total shit

[terse silo]

Hi, I'm using i7-8700k,3060ti, and 32gb RAM right now. Thinking about upgrading my CPU and Motherboard.
What should I go for?
Ryzen 7 5700x
or i5 12600K with DDR4 motherboard? (because DDR5 still expensive)

Thank you.

[orchid iron]

Both are good however, Intel's memory controller is worse than AMD's, for some odd reason the dual stick configuration spec also factors in that your mobo only has 2 slot, so you'd have to tone down speeds if you want to use 2 ram sticks on a 4 slot mobo
Unlike AMD where it only takes into consideration ram sticks

[terse silo]

i use 2x16 3200. if i go with 5700x i will pair it with b550m steel legend.
and for 12600k with B760M Pro RS/D4 WIFI.

is integrated graphic from the cpu make any difference in unreal performance?

[orchid iron]

Unreal engine won't start, it will say VRAM is missing and basically you have to have a GPU

Oh you mean if you have an extra integrated, would it improve GPU?

[terse silo]

yes, will it improved the viewport/render process/etc?

[orchid iron]

I'm not sure how well it is optimised for that, but best case scenario, it won't be noticeable because whatever integrated graphics are far weaker next to a 3060 Ti

Only usage for those is debugging your build or general internet browser usage, not 3d rendering

Unless we are talking about APUs, but that's a different topic

[orchid iron]

If you have the budget, try to go for a 5700x3d or 5800x3d, that will make the rendering feel noticeably better

[terse silo]

i see, will consider it.

the intel have Performance-core & Efficient-core nowadays. Is unreal "detect" those efficient core as a "normal" cpu cores?

in this case 12600k have 10cores, 6p+4e. will unreal see it as 10cores or just 6 cores?

[orchid iron]

10 cores, but it is the OS that can change which threads are used for what, but ignore the core count, that doesn't matter compared to the thread count

6p+4e will give 16 threads

8 ryzen cores will give 16 threads

So they are basically same except in super niche scenarios, however that 3D V-cache from amd is what makes a difference for 3d render beyond the cores

[terse silo]

thank you lab for your insight, now i have more understanding and know what i will go for the upgrade! 🫡

would you mind to share your pc build?

[orchid iron]

are you sure about that?

[terse silo]

just curious tho

[orchid iron]

look up dell Inspiron 7559

[terse silo]

my laptop when in college

[orchid iron]

yeah, I'm saving up to get a better build in like half a year

[vocal cloak]

It won't, the context is just for one GPU.

So it better be the primary / faster option.

[opaque pond]

are you having any issues with the 8700k? cause it should still be very capable for ue

[terse silo]

not really, but I want to give the 8700k pc for my brother, he also want to learn ue.

[opaque pond]

oh well ok then

well the 12600k would be better (even with a ddr4 setup)

[orchid iron]

but why?

[opaque pond]

because it has a better multithread performance that would benefit the i5

[orchid iron]

but they have same thread count, between 5700x, do you have some benchmarks?

[opaque pond]

well yes indeed tho the 12600k has the 6 performance cores (themselves stronger core - core) that are hyperthreaded and the 4 efficiency cores that also add into the multithreading performance

its definately not an apples to apples thread comparison

this shows in the cinebench r23 benchmark where the 5700x does around ~14k multicore score while the 12600k does around ~17,3K

[terse silo]

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i5-12600k-vs-amd-ryzen-7-5700x

thanks for the mention of cinebench benchmark

[orchid iron]

do you know what ram set up they had?

[opaque pond]

if i am not wrong these are just averages

[orchid iron]

what about the 5800x3D?

[opaque pond]

about about 14,8K

its strength is not multithreading

but rather gaming

[orchid iron]

it has 20% higher score but it has double the wattage of the 5700x, that's the main difference between their scores

[vocal cloak]

consider spending more on your cooling system :p

[plush turret]

this is basically a windows based rasbery pi isnt it? https://www.amazon.com/GMKtec-Preinstalled-G5-Computer-Business/dp/B0D3HLQ37L/

[mellow vessel]

no GPIO or otherwise tinker-board approach, 2x faster CPU, totally different architecture and purpose. so...no?

[median marsh]

that's pretty much a thin client in cube shape

[fresh fog]

Those thin clients are pretty neat?
Isn't their whole purpose to just function as a cheap little thing for office tasks, and to connect into a larger central server for beefier things?

Also the reviews on that cube are amazing

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[mellow vessel]

for typical development I'd say it's good enough

[median marsh]

there are better ones tho

e.g. Lenovo ThinkCentre with an i7 instead of that atom like cpu

[final mortar]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/final-raptor-lake-cpu-fix

[orchid iron]

yup, and if cpu already degraded, it won't fix anything

But intel can't mention degradation or else

[violet spade]

With all the money they have they can afford to just RMA swap

[mighty patrol]

But that means they have to admit they are at fault.

[orchid iron]

exactly, which enables many law suits on them

[vocal cloak]

It would be ideal... as it stands I would not get an Intel processor any time soon.

[median marsh]

huh, i thought the degradation was acknowledged by Intel?!

[grave sundial]

They did, yes.

But, maybe not via a legal document, if I understand.

[orchid iron]

maybe it degredatedn't

[wispy monolith]

hi, I want to buy the AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D processor, but I currently have G.SKILL Trident Z RGB 64GB [4x16GB 3000MHz DDR4 CL14 DIMM] RAM sticks in the DDR4-3000 (PC4-24000) standard, while the processor’s specifications only list supported memory types as:

- DDR4-3200 (PC4-25600)
- DDR4-2933 (PC4-23466)
- DDR4-2667

Will this processor be compatible with my RAM sticks?

Motherboard i got is MSI X470 GAMING PLUS

[grave sundial]

Perhaps it meltedn't either.

[orchid iron]

check your CPU specs to see what 4 stick configuration the max rated speed is at, you'll have to check if the speed is set correctly in BIOS

Also the main compatibility you'll find will be between your ram kit and your mobo, check the mobo's compatible ram kits

Besides that you are good

[wispy monolith]

Where should i look for the info of max rate speed with 4 stick config? I already have ryzen 7 2700 with same RAM Sticks and board.
Board supports the sticks and you cpu, and the cpu supports RAM up to 3200 MT/s

[orchid iron]

I couldn't find the cpu, so I just looked for one in the same family, this is the 5800x3D

they should have same memory controller, so rated speeds for 4 sticks config isDDR4-2933 if they are sticks with only one row or DDR4-2667 with sticks with 2 rows

but by default, it should pre select one of these depending on the kit (again, make sure ram kit is compatible with mobo)

so you technically don't have to do anything

[mellow vessel]

RAM ranks are not necessarily equal to the number of rows/sides. should always check specific sticks to not be surprised

[orchid iron]

interesting good to know, although I still believe the motherboard should detect that by default if the RAM stick is supported

[mellow vessel]

yes, the setup will probably end up at 2667, no OC. higher if OC will be tried first (not sure if every mobo forces OC first) and proves to be stable

[grave sundial]

I am sorry I didn't read your motherboard's model earlier, or I would've answered.

Check here - https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PLUS/support#mem

The compatible RAM sticks are listed there.

You can check if your RAM sticks have similarities to any of the sticks listed in those tables.

If they do, you can go ahead and try your existing RAM chips.

But, as someone else said, those RAM sticks are quite cheap these days and you can easily buy a set of new ones that are compatible from that list. 🙂

[wispy monolith]

I know that RAM is compatible with Motherboard but i was wonder about CPU+ MOBO + RAM (lot of staff changed from when i was on top of all this specs and staff) So if i i got this right, it should work together. So thanks :)) but if you spent some time helping me (i'm greatful 🎊) i have some question - i start thinking of new cpu because of some performence issues with UE5 last week. when i play my simulations or start to paint foliage my ue5 stacks (fps drops, brush not moving etc) - is this a CPU issue?

i got
ryzen 7 2700
64 RAM
GPU RTX 3060 12GB

[grave sundial]

If the RAM stick is compatible with the motherboard, then it will run with the CPU, but at the maximum possible frequency of the least powerful hardware.

Meaning, if your CPU supports a higher frequency, but the RAM does not, then default clockspeed will be the lower one and vice versa.

Also, because you are using four sticks - if I understood correctly - your overall clock speed will be the lower one specified on the processor speed.

[grave sundial]

How much VRAM does your GPU have?

Unreal Engine is VRAM hungry and running out of VRAM causes slowdowns, stuttering, etc. etc.

That isn't connected to how powerful the card is directly. UE simply wants more VRAM. MOARRRRRRR!!!!!

[wispy monolith]

12gb

[orchid iron]

the easiest way to know which hardware component is at fault is by opening a hardware monitor program (or windows task manager) and looking at which thing struggles the most

[wispy monolith]

it's definitly showing GPU but i thouth that maybe it's because of old CPU

[orchid iron]

so the GPU is always at 100% specifically when the frame drops?

[wispy monolith]

yes, CPU is going up to 50-60% top

[grave sundial]

🤔 Once you assemble the new computer, see if the problem recurs. Otherwise, more VRAM will probably be required.

[orchid iron]

okay, so you aren't bottlenecked by your CPU, one last check would be to check each core to see if 1 or 2 aren't used to the max while the others aren't being used at all, that could be an issue

if they are all mostly moderately used, then your CPU is fine

a quick fix would just be to heavily tone down the UE 5 graphics, ray tracing, lumen light bounce etc

[mellow vessel]

disable realtime

at least it won't try to re-render everything over and over again. the hitch might still be there, but smaller

[wispy monolith]

okey, then i'll check that all today, i hoped that my gpu will least more then for 3 years

[mellow vessel]

and 12 GB VRAM should be plenty, unless the density and variety of meshes is crazy high

[wispy monolith]

but as whole, is my hardware good for doing some game dev as a hobby or it's old and i should get new staff?
ryzen 7 2700
64 RAM
GPU RTX 3060 12GB

[wispy monolith]

it's not really that high - a lot of foliage but i guess thats normal

[orchid iron]

unless you actually have issues specifically due to hardware then yeah

But in this case the CPU isn't holding you back, and after some UE 5 setting tuning your GPU will be quite thankful, so overall you are fine

you should wait maybe 3 years before buy a GPU, nvidia and amd are about to clash with their new GPU series which will come out in a few months

[wispy monolith]

i'll look on some tutorials on how to set UE5 🙂 Thx

[grave sundial]

Behold the Great War of the Chapter of GPUs! ✊ I'm in a WH40k mood, today.

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, low to mid end will be fierce, the eternal rivals AMD and Nvidia, with a brand new challenger Intel joining the battle field with their battlemage

(we don't talk about arc)

[grave sundial]

That which shall not be named isn't all that bad. They are catching up and doing okay, especially with their price point.

But, unstable as heck that which shall not be named is.

[orchid iron]

yeah, ik...But man that "screw-less design" had so much no in terms of "dyi fixing"

[grave sundial]

not to mention 'rebar must be enabled' or performance tanks.

[naive cloak]

I think 5090 will cost 3000$ or more 😢

[mighty cosmos]

I don't think the msrp will be higher than the current one, or that much higher

[naive cloak]

I hope I am wrong

[wind egret]

Such a pessimist. It could always be $2799.

[orchid iron]

I'm looking forward to the 4090 Ti Super GDDR5 edition

[terse silo]

or you can just buy balaclava & bb for $200

[vocal cloak]

Imagine getting shot for attempting to steal a 5090 with a bb... That's a new low.

[terse silo]

Will "A man get shot after trying to steal a new released nvidia graphic card" be a headline news trend in a few months?

[vocal cloak]

The funny bit is that the box was empty.

Even funnier, his PSU couldn't pull that GPU anyway.

"the shooter allegedly owned a mac"

[median marsh]

people got shot for less!?

[vocal cloak]

True.

But in this case we imagine they are either gamedevs or gamers

When you value your life at the price of the current GPU -- There's a problem lol

[naive cloak]

no, you go to one of Asus manufacturing plants, get job as janitor, steal 5090 from packaging floor, put it in the trash bin, get out, profit 🧠

https://tenor.com/view/alan-wake-alan-wake-2-ahti-yoton-yo-yötön-yö-gif-18443240340839573790

only to discover that your card has manufacturing defect and it self destructs with your entire motherboard because Asus dont do QA anymore...

[violet spade]

Sounds like you’ve done this yourself

[orchid iron]

saw some trash on your shelfs, so I did you guys a favour

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/right-to-jail-jail-parks-and-rec-right-away-fred-armisen-gif-16039907319194806297

[orchid iron]

PC parts to build my dream PC:

CPU: Ryzen 4070
GPU: the Ryzen 4070 doesn't need a GPU
PSU: XFX Ultra AI Max+ Pro Prime X
Case: Cardboard Box With Wheels X420
Motherboard: A Sus K9 Impostor Red
Ram: Corsair Dominated 4200 MT/s 69GB
Storage: Intel Radeon GTX AI 9001 X AI+ 4.20T X AI

[obtuse rapids]

How much performance difference is there from the mobile CPUs from the desktop? Is just a matter of having more thermal throttling?

I'm toying with the idea of getting a light on i9 gaming laptop to do some development on the road and snatching up a GPU enclosure. (I keep seeing some good ones on sale on FB marketplace) ... That way I would have the best of both worlds, If I want to do some light editing on a plane I can just use the onboard GPU. Then where I get to when I'm being I can plug in the GPU and closure and have a near desktop experience... (Without paying twice as much) ...

[grave sundial]

If you want to do 2D work, then notebooks will work fine.
If you want to do any worthwhile 3D work, then a proper desktop is essential.

A laptop workstation might also be okay, but not for heavy-duty 3D work.

[obtuse rapids]

Why? I'm literally using a desktop GPU in this scenario

[grave sundial]

eGPUs have their own limitations, especially in terms of compatibility and you lose out on 10% of the direct-connection performance right off the bat.

[obtuse rapids]

Even with thunderbolt 4?

[grave sundial]

TB4 is minimum for using it these days. The Omni-something connection is a newer type, allowing higher bandwidth, but yes.

10% minimum performance loss.

That might be fine if you have purchased a 4070, 4080, 4090, but then you'd be spending a lot of money regardless.

This is also assuming you have tested the TB4 on your laptop and it's functioning.

I tried an eGPU recently, before buying my desktop.

My laptop was old enough that the TB4 port on it had stopped working properly - due to underutilisation or old drivers, w.e.

[obtuse rapids]

Well no this is me speccing out a potential mobile solution so I don't even have the laptop yet so I can be very intentional about what I get to avoid mix-ups like getting an older generation thunderbolt connection

[grave sundial]

I'd say don't do the eGPU thing, having done it myself.

Unless you have a GPU lying around to try with it.

[obtuse rapids]

Interesting - I was hoping I'd be able to use the same GPU when I go mobile and then just plug it into the desktop when I get home

[grave sundial]

Yep. That was my idea, too.

If you don't mind spending money and still want a mobile solution, then a laptop workstation is better.

Yes, they are expensive, but they do come with the RTX 4090 16GB mobile GPU.

[obtuse rapids]

And you were literally on thunderbolt 4? You say old drivers - so it sounds like I need to find an actual laptop with some type of proven record of performance with EGPUs at the very minimum

Yeah I've seen that I can actually get a decent deal on one

[grave sundial]

Yes, my laptop had TB4, but I think because I didn't use it in the eight years it was with me, either the port stopped functioning properly, or the software on the Mobo became outdated.

[obtuse rapids]

https://www.facebook.com/share/DDkp8RYubTogA6pR/ assuming I can upgrade the RAM in this, that seems like a pretty damn good deal as long as it's legit

[grave sundial]

The eGPU was detected, but the laptop couldn't go through with a FULL thunderbolt connection.

🤷

[obtuse rapids]

And the problem can be also the enclosure compatibility I guess too not just the laptops thunderbolt connection

[grave sundial]

could be. I haven't tried it yet on a modern laptop. 😄

[obtuse rapids]

Puget will charge 5k for that similar workstation...

[grave sundial]

https://xco.one/ - This is an Indian assembler, but you can check the specs and prices.

[obtuse rapids]

I wouldn't pay there inflated rate unless I talk to someone who literally could prove to me that they somehow magically produce less crashes in the engine because of some hardware tuning they do. They talk about it for certain workflows but I don't think they are relevant for what I actually do

[torpid shadow]

My laptop may be screwed, has been doing this since hurricane helene.

[obtuse rapids]

You need to look into doing a USB rescue stick

[grave sundial]

That video seems like a power surge occurred.

[obtuse rapids]

Medicat I think was one of them...

[torpid shadow]

This is my only working form of pc

[torpid shadow]

I gotta rescue it

[grave sundial]

Can you boot into safe mode?

Or any mode?

[obtuse rapids]

And you sure it wasn't dropped ?- it almost looks like a video connection is loose

[thorn horizon]

medicat is great

[thorn horizon]

this honestly looks more like a hardware issue than anything else

dieing gpu/cpu

[torpid shadow]

It was all good until now

[torpid shadow]

Idk how i dont work with laptops much since im a begginer

[grave sundial]

Then, I recommend heading to a service centre.

[thorn horizon]

is the laptop still under warranty?

[torpid shadow]

No, it was fixed from a destroyed screen by my dog a few months back

[obtuse rapids]

Oh that's the problem

[grave sundial]

ouch

[thorn horizon]

oof

[obtuse rapids]

The connection in the video is loose

[thorn horizon]

bad dog

[torpid shadow]

I actually need this laptop man

[obtuse rapids]

Does it have an HDMI port?

[torpid shadow]

Im a kid and have online classes 😭

[torpid shadow]

Yes i believe

[thorn horizon]

that doesn't really explain the BSOD's tho

unless its like shorting out

[torpid shadow]

Maybe ...

[obtuse rapids]

No, but it could be both

[grave sundial]

Take it to a service centre a.s.a.p.
Try to rent a laptop in the meantime, if you can.

[thorn horizon]

either way i'd have it looked at by someone who knows what they're doing

[torpid shadow]

Was an issue with memory management yesterday and the wallpaper wouldnt load on homescreen like when blender crashes for me

[obtuse rapids]

How are you on discord? Your phone?

[torpid shadow]

I cant lie man my family does not have very much money, i cant

[torpid shadow]

Yes

[obtuse rapids]

Have you ever tried hooking up your phone to a monitor and keyboard?

[torpid shadow]

Nah man

[torpid shadow]

I could with usb-c to hdmi cable

Bro i am actually fucking in trouble so bad and i didnt do anything

I need this laptop for school and repairs would be 200$+ even for sumin this "basic"

[obtuse rapids]

Lol get your parents on discord and I'll drop on a voice call with them

[thorn horizon]

you could look for people who volunteer to fix broken tech, often times you can also find people through local facebook groups that might be able to have a look for you. would not normally be my advice, but if you can't pay anyone, and don't know people in your social circles that could potentially fix it that would be my best guess

[obtuse rapids]

Plenty of developers here will explain the realities of computer hardware

[torpid shadow]

My mom has discord, she was tech litterate when c+ was around but doesnt know how to open the vast file manager now

[torpid shadow]

I will check but i only use facebook for trading and buying plants unoften

[plush turret]

is it a disk drive or solid state?

used to get a LOT of BSOD's on disk drive laptops because their reader heads can get smacked around and cause issues that simulate a dead PC until either you replace the drive, or somehow repair it

[torpid shadow]

Im assuming this is bad

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-shit-whats-happening-whats-going-on-mother-of-god-dear-god-gif-16251359

[orchid iron]

tbf, it may still be a storage issue, potentially corrupting the drivers, that's your best bet

@torpid shadow when installing a Linux distribution like Linux Mint or Nobara, you can try out the OS without installing it, and this process uses the USB stick as storage that way you can't accidentally affect your computer's files

I reccomend you try it out, if you have no issues just using the DEMO, then that means it is a problem mostly in your storage...Which would be the best case senario as that is somewhat easy to replace...Other things not so much

[torpid shadow]

This is pure windows os

[orchid iron]

read

[median marsh]

idk if a rescue stick would help them

that looks like a bitlocker bluescreen? so the drive might be encrypted

[wild zodiac]

have you seen this one yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpLTiK-Rqjg

[orchid iron]

these guys do some nice content 10/10 would reccomend, jyst be aware they are bias towards you buying their stuff

[naive cloak]

we all have this problem... one 4090 or more than one 4090... 🤣 🥲

[plush turret]

ok, so question about cables. were building my ADU, and i wanna bury an ethernet cable from the main house, do i need to add extra shielding if im sticking it right next to a 100 amp line in the same trench

im already looking at burying proper direct bury cat 7

[naive cloak]

chatgpt says: Maintain at least 1 to 2 feet of separation between the Cat 7 cable and the 110V power cable. 🤔

[violet spade]

Maintain at least 2 paws

[grave sundial]

If you can't meow properly between the two cables, the space is insufficient.

[plush turret]

well time to get shielding

cause im NOT trenching 75 feet through a gravel driveway at 2 seperate spaces

[mighty patrol]

Why not

[hidden gyro]

Hi! I have a question, my friend is searching for a PC to create games with UE5, he need a comfortable configuration but for the GPU, is it better to take an RTX 4070 or an AMD 7800xt ?

[fallen oasis]

Whichever has more vram.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, UE, and a lot of other development tool really enjoy the VRAM, you could tell him to wait until black Friday and snipe the card with the most VRAM with his budget
I hear rumours of the 7900 xt and 7900 xtx potentially going in bigger discounts because the 8000 series is just that good in price to performance

[fallen oasis]

That's a point. I wonder if anything will be cheap on "prime day". I potentially need a non-work machine.

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LVXGDPKWsss

[orchid iron]

According to this, AMD is facing the consequence of pricing the 7900 xt(x) as high as they did

[fallen oasis]

What's that got to do with amazon prime?

[orchid iron]

oh, I thought you meant black friday or cyber monday, my bad

[fallen oasis]

Same problem. How is that relevant to what I said. "According to this" has nothing to do with my ponderance.

[orchid iron]

according to this, it is likely you'll have good deals for the mentioned gpu?

[sleek grove]

The biggest issue with AMD is that if you want to use GPU lightmass, it won't work. But, for everything else, it's a great VRAM / € value, especially considering what nVidia is offering.

I ended up buying a 7800XT when i did, only for 7900GRE to release almost instantly afterwards as the more sensible card D:

Not that bad though, it's a good card, and definitely does the job unlike the 1070 Ti I had

[grave sundial]

How are the AMD cards with raytracing?

[violet spade]

I’m hoping for a nice prime deal on 4090. Unless ofc the price skyrockets now that 5090 is coming out and production is rumoured to have stopped on the 4090

[grave sundial]

🤮

It costs as much as a new PC by itself.

I suggest censored a supply truck and censored it and censored a unit for yourself.

[orchid iron]

The 8000 series is set to fix their mediocre ray tracing performance next to NVIDIA

[median marsh]

oO they said they wont compete with high end nvidia for the next series

[naive cloak]

smells like teen spirit collusion between Nvidia and AMD

[mighty cosmos]

gpu lightmass works on AMD, on any card that supports raytracing as it doesn't rely on RTX but DXR

[median marsh]

🤔

how did someone make it work on linux then?

[mighty cosmos]

the point is that it doesn't depend on proprietary raytracing solutions like RTX, I relies on the graphics API RT support, so dxr for directx and whatever vulkan and other APIs have

[median marsh]

ah okay, so guess they added the necessary vulkan features and that person just enabled them (as the patch is really smol)

[plush turret]

110 line is SO much less powerful than what im putting down

im going to essentially be running a main power cable for a house

[orchid iron]

Key difference between AMD and Nvidia high end GPU, is that Nvidia can just make a lot of supply and even if gamers won't buy them, they can just sell them off as "Cryptomining" or "AI" cards, etc

Where as AMD's high end...well...they can't even sell their stock all that well (mostly due to being overpriced) , 8000 series is more of a "safe bet" because there will always be buyers in low to mid end

But plot twist, they are preparing their new UDNA GPUs which those will be able to be sold off for AI and Crypto in the higher end, so maybe AMD comeback soon in 2027?

[wind egret]

AMD seems to be getting more mileage out of their CPU division. Competing with Intel and Nvidia at the same time was hard enough before Nvidia became a three trillion USD company.

[naive cloak]

yes but it can also be that AMD will not compete with Nvidia at high end cards so Nvidia can set any price the want, and Nvidia will let them take the mid end market

[mighty cosmos]

If any VR "enthusiasts" are around... What desktop VR headset would you recommend, preferably below like 1.2-1.5k usd

Haven't really followed the vr market lately but got an itch to get into VR

[median marsh]

i have a quest3 which is neat, and not too expensive to get started with VR

the neat thing is that it can run native games, too. so you can even play without PC

and native unreal stuff works also kinda well on it

[median marsh]

but hands down, i'm not a big fan and play pretty much only eleven labs table tennis with it 😄

[orchid iron]

Valve Index, really good one and it even includes one of the best VR games: Half Life Alyx, highly recommend

[median marsh]

isn't that pretty... outdated?

the most interesting part about it is probably the body tracking with vive trackers (which you can afaik use with other headsets, too)

[orchid iron]

still works like a charm even today ^^

[median marsh]

yea but still, double the price for worse specs (and you can get the tracking separate if you want to dive deeper into VR)

[orchid iron]

that's the only one I know of, and it is below the budget he mentioned

but I'm personally really liking it

[median marsh]

yea it's not bad considering it's age, but it got succeeded by more recent headsets

so when buying new, i wouldn't recommend the index in the first place

but double the price for double the weight, half the resolution and no air link? nah

[orchid iron]

hmmm, I wonder if it's possible to install Linux on it

[median marsh]

does it run android?

[orchid iron]

idk, haven't checked

I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter, because it is PC-powered, so the OS should be on the PC

yeah, it doesn't have CPU cores or Ram

then in the future once phones are actually quite good for each, I'll try to plug it in the Index xD

[median marsh]

another point for the quest, which pretty much has a phone in it 😛

[orchid iron]

must be quite heavy

[median marsh]

half the weight of the index

[orchid iron]

noice

[median marsh]

and you can just lay down, watch netflix, browse or whatever without any cable stuff

[mighty cosmos]

Thanks, will check it out

[fallen oasis]

There's a lot of them on teh 2nd hand market around here.

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah index was one of the ones I looked into because I keep seeing it recommended everywhere

[naive cloak]

2nd face market... 🤷‍♂️

[mighty cosmos]

Oh a new one is coming out, it's up for preorders https://www.vive.com/us/product/vive-focus-vision/specs/

[naive cloak]

1000$ 😢

[median marsh]

that one looks more up to todays standards

only slightly slower CPU compared to the Quest3, but that will only affect native stuff (if noticable at all) everything else seems to be way better, especially the hotswapable batteries are nice

[mighty cosmos]

now... is it worth pre ordering 😆

[median marsh]

i can't tell you... depends on how much you use it, which is imho hard to tell

mine is pretty much in the box and i've only used it a few hours

it's just that i don't game too much and that i rather watch some netflix stuff on another screen while working to have background noise 😄

if you know VR is your thing and you gonna use it a lot, i would pick the new Vive for sure, it's just better than the Quest3

[orchid iron]

I'd wait until reviews come out

[fallen oasis]

Never pre-order.

[mighty cosmos]

fair point

but what about those extra 7 games or however many that I will probably never play and that extra streaming cable that costs 150$ that they are giving for free with preorders

||/s||

[violet spade]

Haven’t since before SWBFII

@mighty cosmos are you using 12VHP for your 4090? https://youtu.be/Y36LMS5y34A?si=P5VL0NxH8jNNzDlo

[grave sundial]

Pre-ordering is sooooo yester-year, IMO.
Prescient-ordering will be the new trend.

🔮

[orchid iron]

I saw it, it is hilarious from a behind the scene point of view, and surprisingly the failure rate isn't that high compared to the normal cables, but when it fails, it takes out a really expensive component with it, which is probably why it gets so talked about

[grave sundial]

Is the problem different from 'the user didn't push the cable in properly' issue?

[violet spade]

Yeah, 2.5K is a lot to go up in flames

I like the adapter that has an audible alarm for temp or improper cable placement just in case

[orchid iron]

Thermal grizzly for the win ^^

[orchid iron]

It's more of the design itself is very likely to create user error

And also sometimes the design itself because such high amount of Amps on these cables shouldn't exist in the first place

[violet spade]

Yeah 300+ W going through one connector is rough

[grave sundial]

controls the urge to generate an AI image of an RTX 4090 with built in electricity generators and solar planels

[orchid iron]

It should have a built in PSU that converts 48 Volts to however it needs internally, would make it way better

[grave sundial]

I will presciently order AMD's CPU-GPU sandwich.

One component to bring them all and in the motherboard bind them.

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah, we haven't heard of them burning their GPUs often

[tired oracle]

hello is this where i can ask questions about unreal build issues?

[tired oracle]

we were using the visual novel framework for unreal 4. however my other teammates at the time had to use unreal 5 and could not have both versions installed at the same time.

seeing that the visual novel framework gave no errors while running in unreal 5 the choice was made to make our game in Unreal 5.4.

flash forward to now where we are two weeks away from attending a showcase event run by our college.

I'm trying to package our project but the package fails

the creators of the framework cannot be contacted anymore. the documentation is old.
seemingly nobody else is trying to use this framework for unreal 5 to say post about it in the unreal forums.

apologies if this isnt the appropriate place for this i could never seem to find the build issues chat here.

[tired oracle]

i finally found the packaging channel my bad guys

[violet spade]

You can always delete those posts here

[orchid iron]

yeah would be nice ^^

[grave sundial]

No. Leave them like permanent glue for us to stare and yell at.

[sharp pumice]

Do you guys use gpu supports of some sorts for heavier GPUs? I'm planning to buy 4080 super and was considering such GPU support.
Then I encountered this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEdFTmOAT58
where a guy talks how gpu supports can have the opposite effect. Instead of preventing sag and damage, they may actively damage your card 🤔

[mighty patrol]

My asus gpu came with one had zero issues with it so far without it theres clear sag of the card. It's a 4090 also.

I feel it could be setup poorly and cause damage by user error however.

[sharp pumice]

Yea I have similar thoughts. The author of the YT video argues that such big cards have to be mounted vertically, because of the hot&cold cycles and what not. Makes me kinda on the line whether I should get a new case 🤔 .

[mighty patrol]

I had to get a new case myself left horizontal mount also. To be fair I could probably use a bit more room between glass and cable but it stays seated so no risk of cable melting.

Saw so many horror stories of the 12VHPWR connectors.

[orchid iron]

if the card is so dang heavy, it should have multiple supports that are perfect height

There are multiple 3D printed support that look pretty neat

Also even if it is mounted horizontally, vertically or on a rotated mother board like the Thermaltake cte c750
If the weight of the cooler of the card is too big, gravity will wreck that board unless they change the design

[orchid iron]

alright, give it like 3 years and update us on its health please ^^

[mighty patrol]

I'll have a new card by the probably who knows.

[orchid iron]

upgrading to a 5090? or a 6090?

[mighty patrol]

Depends was considering 5090 ti had chonky possible vram haha

[orchid iron]

okay, here is my based two cents on the matter:

Once we get pcie 5 GPUs with pcie 5 motherboards, VRAM and RAM will have very little difference, and people will use bigger capacity and faster ram for their GPUs no matter how BS the VRAM amount is for a 2.5K card

now that I think about it, the new 8000 MT/s ddr5 ram may be for the GPUs, because few CPUs could even use that speed

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah I'm using the 12pin but with the adapter from multiple 8 pins

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbEPwJvtA5M

this ain't looking too good for us ngl

[frank glade]

2500 right?

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3evkF909lc

[orchid iron]

the numbers aren't "finalised" but yeah close to 2500 for a 5090...and the 5080 and 5070 will also be priced insanely high for their class and VRAM amount

[mellow galleon]

Anyone got some experience in data recovery:
got a faulty wd 4tb hdd
drive is detected by bios, smart can be queried, data shows fine but flags always show random values across different attributes.
0 pending/reallocated sectors
windows displays 'atapi controller fault' in windows error log, windows storage control shows drive as unformatted.
reading data from drive is problematic too, while using acronis drive data editor - reading sectors takes 3-4 attempts but data can be read.

[naive cloak]

if we all will stand our ground once and will not buy it they will lower the prices 🧠

but people are weak...

[median marsh]

they could/would do the same to the 4090

which is already way too expensive

and i feel like that 5090 price speculation is already bad for 4090 prices, which seem to have been gone up by $100 in the last week

[weak schooner]

I'm building a new work PC for UE5, and can't decide on a processor, I'm caught between:
AMD Ryzen 9 9900X 12 Core or a
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 16 Core

Both are around £430 at the moment. I'm a programmer so lots of code compilation so the extra cores might make a difference over the faster newer model...

Any opinions?

[median marsh]

unless you have a really large project i doubt that they give much benefit

i would pick the one with the better single thread performance, because that's the more annoying bottleneck in UE work 😄

(unless you maintain a custom engine which get's changed often, then more than 12 cores may be something to consider, otherwise (imho) it's overrated)

[weak schooner]

Yeah custom engine but the aim is always to not make too many changes and not often.

[mellow galleon]

i'd go for 7950, more cores and more ram for the compiler

the overall difference in build time per core would be very small so more cores would give more benefit than little extra perf imo

[orchid iron]

differences between zen4 and zen5 aren't large enough to justify losing 4 cores over them

[orchid iron]

although, if you wanted an insane amount of RAM, you'd be comparing a CPU with a memory controller for 128gb and a CPU for 192gb, which are both a completly over kill amount of RAM

also, related to cpu memory controller...Both of them have their best performance at 6000 MT/s which both support, you can ignore the 8000 MT/s marketing for zen5, the 9000 has to internally clock some components down when the ram ememory is over 6000, which make the benefits almost insignificant of more expensive ram

(well they both support 6000 MT/s in non-legally binding way for the warranty, but everyone uses it for benchmarks anyways)

[obtuse rapids]

So what monitor/monitors setup would we prefer to use developer Unreal with? Just curious on different perspectives

[median marsh]

i use 80% of the time one, 19% two and 1% three

with this chaotic layout

but #2 is the one i only use 1% of the time, if at all

[obtuse rapids]

Anyone have monitor recommendations? The one thing I've never used was a 4K for development

[orchid iron]

meanwhile me with 2 monitors at 720p

[violet spade]

Long as you have 2 monitors tbh. My second one is a cheap Samsung and it does the job

[median marsh]

i got 2/3 because they have been considered trash by their former owner...

https://tenor.com/view/macklemore-thriftshop-whatever-bye-haters-gif-3871109

[grave sundial]

My MSI ultrawide monitor has been working out quite well. FancyZones has let me organise windows real quick.

The second monitor I will buy is a drawing monitor.

[mellow galleon]

thats chaotic indeed, my workstation had 2 25" at 1440p side by side

[median marsh]

yea, i used to have the 27" and a 17" in pivot mode on each side, then i got the others for free and this setup "evolved" 😄

17" is a pretty nice size for pivot secondary screens imho, goes well with the height of 27" and they have a kinda high resolution with 1024x1280 so that also almost matches 1440p

[lucid dawn]

Hi, I'd need suggestions for a VR headset
I'd like to get a "cheap" (~$500) one for my brother plus accessories
The main difficulty being that I don't want one just for playing, but something that is development ready (like Valve's Index, minus the prohibitive expensiveness)
That and if possible without the mandatory login absurdity Meta's headsets got
Anyone well versed in VR got a few model names?

[median marsh]

just get a quest3

enable side loading and call it a day, you don't need active internet connection to use the headset

[lucid dawn]

I'll look into that then
Thanks!

[obtuse rapids]

.

[lean juniper]

how important is CPU to editor performance and/or build time?
I'm new to UE and I'm building a workstation for development...from everything I'm reading, it seems like spending more $$ on RAM and VRAM (graphics card) is gonna give me more bang for my buck as opposed to buying a super expensive CPU...

the CPU I'm looking at getting right now is the Ryzen 5 7600X (38 MB cache, 6 cores + 12 threads)
🤔 🤔

[mighty patrol]

More Cores/Threads speed up parallel tasks like C++ compiling, Shader Compilation, CPU Light baking.

Check pins for other info

[lean juniper]

@mighty patrol thanks!

[orchid iron]

It depends what you are doing, the cpu may not be as important or it may be the most important component

If you are often doing the stuff mentioned by Lucifer Dawn then yes, the CPU is important

If you are mostly designing levels and making videos, editing etc, it may not have such a great impact

[lean juniper]

but these are mostly concerns when building, right? at run-time or when I'm working in the editor CPU performance is less of a concern...right?

if having a more powerful CPU just means my builds take less time I'll probably make that trade-off and spend more on my GPU

[orchid iron]

It depends what do you do when working, if you use complex geometry tools to create landscapes, or you have a tone of ray tracing enabled, you'll want at least 8 cores 16 threads

[mighty patrol]

I'd still say a more healthy balance of the two tbh

[lean juniper]

ok

that makes sense

thanks again @mighty patrol @orchid iron

[mighty patrol]

Lab helped too

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/digital-pratik-depends-on-you-depends-jorrdaar-event-jorrdaar-gif-26097006

[lean juniper]

how often are new updates to UE released that significantly increase the minimum or recommended hardware specs?
...is it only when they release major versions like UE 4 to UE 5?
or do the point releases sometimes bump the minimum requirements up substantially?

should 8 cores/16 threads mean I'm good for a while?
or will that be obsolete in a year or two?
...sorry, I know ya'll don't have a crystal ball but asking in case the recent past helps give us an idea

[violet spade]

The most impact was prly from 4 to 5. But it really depends on what features you’re using too. Nanite, Lumen and others take more processing power for sure

[orchid iron]

I got a Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
with 16 gb of RAM
And a 960m with 3gb of Vram

And I'm still able to use unreal engine 5.3, but the reason why I say "it depends" is because I don't use the features that make UE so heavy, nor do I use it for a massive project

Fun fact look at the fortnite minimum hardware requirement, it's hella old

[median marsh]

mostly depends on the features used

[short bramble]

Hi all

Anyone has advices for a monitor "eye care" ?

I mean, I'm working very long sessions in UE5, and modeling / sculpting softwares and I feel like headaches, eye strain etc..

I don't know what's causing the problem. My brightness is at minimum. I guess I need a "better" monitor?

[naive cloak]

take breaks during your work, go to the window and look at the distance so your eyes can "relax"

[grave sundial]

Make sure you are sitting at one arm's length distance from the monitor at all times, even when you are leaning towards it (especially at that time).

Every 15 minutes, look away from the monitor (at a wall maybe) for ten to twenty seconds and blink. Use a Focus software (there are many apps available) to set 15-minute, repeating timers.

Make sure to wash your eyes every half an hour and use refresher eye drops every six hours or twelve hours, to keep your eyes hydrated.

Check your ambient temperature and humidity. Your cabinet is adding four to five degrees to the nearby temperature with all the heat that's being thrown out. If the humidity is very low, the dryness will cause your eyes to become dry faster. You have to keep it hydrated.

Also, go to an ophthalmologist and get an eye-checkup; a detailed one, not the simple 'check your prescription power' type.

[orchid iron]

it's not so much about having the brightness at the minimum, it is about reducing the effort your eyes have to make

Eyes are used to being used outside, where there is a lot of sunlight and it is very bright, so brightness won't harm you, the sun light has a very large spectrum of colours, even some we can't even see, so any blue light nonsense won't harm you either

Main thing I've seen people messing up is how's your monitor's brightness relative to your room

Because if you are constantly looking at different brightness, very high contrast colours which aren't usually found out in the wild, your eyes will have to do more efforts to focus in and get as much details as possible, again the more effort your eyes have to make basically means the muscles in your eyes are working out a lot, so it's like going to the gym and over-using your muscles, you'll feel pain

so try to make sure both your screen and room have as similar of a colour and brightness as possible

Also make sure there is a wall right behind your monitor, because if you don't, your eyes will auto adjust the focus distance like a camera, look at the screen (close by) and behind it (probably several meters away), and you guessed it, that's eye muscle effort

however if you have your screen up against a wall, make extra sure your room light isn't reflecting on your screen into your eyes, because if you see your room lights from your screen, it'll be like there is a bright light on your screen, so different brightness so more effort

you can just make sure the light's reflection isn't pointing at your eyes, so maybe putting your monitor parallel to the walls, but close to one of the angles of your room, that way the light would reflect elsewhere

oh yeah, make sure whatever you are working on also doesn't have high contrast of colours, but if you do, you could lower your monitor's colour contrast

[final mortar]

Main thing l've seen people messing up is how's your monitor's brightness relative to your room

this-- a lot of people sit in a dark room and wonder why eye strain is so bad.

[orchid iron]

ikr xD

[short bramble]

Thank you so much all for your advices, I will do all of it ! You are very very kind to take time for helping me, thank you !

[plush turret]

is there a wifi projector that would cover 100 meters range? but not directional? im doing a bunch of landscaping for a friend, and they want to have wifi cover their whole firepit/deck area which is about 100 feet across

[wind egret]

feet or meters?

[plush turret]

space is 100 feet (~30 meters), but they want strong signal across all of it

which 100 meter range should cover

and i know most tech is metric

the unit will be "outside" its a sealed porch so its not going to get wet or anything, but its not climate controlled

I know stuff like this exists cause a ton of spaces around me have them

directional stuff is easy to find, but when we tried one, its VERY directional

this seems sort of what im looking for, but no clue how i connect it to an existing router: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08Y6MBHV9

[naive cloak]

what router you have?

[plush turret]

currently the big default one that comes with AT&T fiber, its not bad, as it has a good probably 40 feet of range

but that really only covers the main house

[naive cloak]

you rent that router? you pay monthly fee for it?

[orchid iron]

They could just use 5G and use WiFi from their phone, unless it is in an area with low signal, in which case how'd you even get a WiFi router in the wilderness?

[plush turret]

they dont have one of those higher end plans, they pay $20 a month for their phone and are happy, they work from home so the low data limit isnt the issue

[plush turret]

we own it

[orchid iron]

Chad

[plush turret]

they give you a set of options when you want to install fiber now, and we picked one that fit our house size and connection number needs

[orchid iron]

Do 100m length cables even exist?

[plush turret]

the big thing though is while it covers the house its not strong enough to cover anything really beyond it

oh yeah

https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Networking-Transmission-10GbpsTransmission-Waterproof/dp/B07XY2WP9D/

distance drops dont really start until your hitting 600 or so

but you can instal signal boosters at that point

I put a 100 foot direct bury cable in my yard for my house to get ethernet from the main house

[worldly lagoon]

I'd go for something like this. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81NDMmHxGdL.jpg https://www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/deco/deco-x50-outdoor/

[naive cloak]

you can try to relocate the router as close as possible to the porch, to have as less walls as possible, idk your router model but its probably not high end router so it has weak signal, go to router admin panel and set antenna strength to max (if its not already), if nothing helps you can use what lexx suggested or if its sealed porch you can also use TP-Link EAP access point, they have wall and ceiling versions, but then you will have to run POE cable to the porch

[violet spade]

I’d like to see that thing survive a winter in Canada lol

[naive cloak]

Operating Temperature: -30°C~60°C (-22°F~140°F)
Operating Humidity: 10%~90% RH

[violet spade]

So they say

[naive cloak]

on Amazon Canada 🤷‍♂️ so I guess it works

[violet spade]

It’s an indoor/outdoor router

[worldly lagoon]

Those are priced pretty low, for the features.

[naive cloak]

Tp-Link make good products (from my experience)

[worldly lagoon]

For value, I'll use them, I'd prefer to get some Ubiquiti gear.

This is actually cheaper than I expected, pretty competitive with the TP-Link https://store.ui.com/us/en/products/u7-outdoor

[naive cloak]

Ubiquiti products are known for their well-thought-out and aesthetically pleasing designs. This is no surprise, as the company's founder, Robert Pera, came from Apple and Tesla.
you pay overpriced brand fee... same as with Apple and Tesla

[barren goblet]

They are pretty good for what you get. You get some decent advanced networking with them which is kinda hard to find at lower price points

[violet spade]

Fired from Apple and Tesla, this guy is now trying his luck with routers 😀

[plush turret]

the router is pretty much stuck where it is as thats where the fiber comes out of the wall

its modem/router that converts the gigbit fiber to wifi

and the space we WANT it to go is like 100 feet further than the porch

as it stands, the porch currently gets fairly good signal

[devout pendant]

need to build a pc but the last time i built was when the gtx 980 came out 💀

wtf is ultra 9 285k?? is that supposed to be a 15900k?
im hearing shit about intel stability issues?
and 12/13/14th/ultra cpus all seem to have the same performance??
and the 9950x is being compared with the 7950x3d despite being 3 generations apart??
and nvidia has 4070/4070s/4070ti/4070tis/4080/4080s/4090???

what the fuck is going on

anyway
i need help picking a top tier cpu and gpu
i want the best, but still being price conscious, i dont want to spend 200% for a 10% performance gain etc

or should i just wait for 50 series to drop in jan
idk

[devout pendant]

for context these are local prices

4090 = $3400
4080 Super = $1700
based on my research it looks like the 4090 is significantly better
but is it worth literally double the price??
also the 700xtx is $1400 and can potentially run 2 of them later down the track and still cheaper than a 4090

9950x = $1099
7950x = $829

ultra 9 285k = $1099
13900k = $699
14900k = $749
for cpu my choice would have been 14900k but im hearing stability issues, does that mean i should with a 13900k(theyre the same price) or go lower 14700k OR go amd

my preference would be intel but i guess the question comes down to

9950x vs 14900k vs ultra 9 285k
OR save some money and go with a 14700k or 7950X

the benchmarks seem all over the place, its like the 14900k/ultra 285k and 9950x are all in the same class and all lead in one test or another
and the 14700k and 7950x arent far behind

[orchid iron]

yes the ultra 9 285k is basically a 15900k

"the 9950x is being compared with the 7950x3d despite being 3 generations apart??"
No, it is last gen but one has 3D V-cache and one doesn't

so it depends when you want to build your pc, if it is like now now or later, because when the nvidia 50 series drop, and the radeon 8000 drop, there will be significant price drops, more so in AMD than in Nvidia though

So a 7900xt / 7900xtx could be at a far more acceptable price once the 8800XT comes out (for reference it is basically same performance as the 7900XT but for almost half the price acording to leakers)

Although Intel 13th and 14th gen issues are fixed thanks to BIOS updates, existing intel CPUs that were degrated due to unintended (cough cough gotta beat AMD) elevated voltages, I highly reccomend to avoid used parts when it comes to intel CPUs

[devout pendant]

i see so if i buy a cpu now (new ofc) i should have stability issues?

[orchid iron]

nah, they've been mostly fixed

[devout pendant]

do you know when radeon 8k is supposed to drop?

[orchid iron]

stability issues came from bad overclock from motherboard partners and intel removing power limits

[orchid iron]

this winter

[devout pendant]

from the rumours i saw 50 series is late jan

idm waiting 2-3 months tbh

either for cheaper old gen, or similar priced new gen

[orchid iron]

yeah, that would be best for much better performance to price

[orchid iron]

nah, forget the concept that new gens will be priced fairly, they all have absurd pricing

[devout pendant]

what is that like quarter/month wise

[orchid iron]

all companies aim for that sweet sweet Christmas money, do what you want with that information :D

[devout pendant]

ah ok so by eoy

for me its about to be summer lmao

[orchid iron]

although, AMD has a 7900 xt and 7900 xtx oversupply issues, so they'll really want to get them out quick because the 8000 series will be priced way more aggressively

[devout pendant]

i can literally get 2x 7900xtx and a 9950x for the cheaper than 14900k + 4090

[orchid iron]

and ryzen 9000 which is zen5 is now being called zen5% due to really low increase in performance in gaming workloads but massive price increase

[devout pendant]

i know amd supports multi gpu but not sure if it scales well for UE

[orchid iron]

you'll be better off with only one GPU for EU, unless you do multiple projects, or compile blender/adobe/anthing else in the background while working on EU

[devout pendant]

nah im usually only doing one thing at a time

tbh might just wait for radeo 8000 and rtx 50 launch

im more confused by the CPUs though
285k and 14900k every alternate source is "utlra 9 destroys 14th gen" or "ultra 9 is the same/worse than 14th gen"

[orchid iron]

marketing, you can ignore it

basically the 15th gen cuts down on power and removes multithreading, so now 1 P core = 1 thread, making them have way less threads than an amd cpu, but almost same perf

also they claim power efficiency, but their slides were using only slightly less power than the 14900k

you'll still need a water cooler to not worry about it

[devout pendant]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

the ultra 9 shows better single thread perf but otherwise the same as 14900k tbh

285k cpu price and mobo pricing is the same as 9950x and x670e/870e motherboards

so the 14900k is actually the budget option, 25% cheaper cpu+mobo combination

[orchid iron]

keep in mind, Nvidia doesn't care about making their GPUs sell at super high price because of cryptomining and now new AI stuff, so if you care about performance to price, I'd look at AMD because they aren't good in those bitcoin/AI workloads comapred to NVIDIA

[orchid iron]

compare the 14900k to the 7950x because both new gens from amd and intel are incredibly disappointing and overpriced, also look at the motherboard they released with because newer boards are way overpriced as FUDGE

[devout pendant]

yeah gpu i will just wait for 50 series pricing and radeon 8 benchmarks

[devout pendant]

am5 boards are crazy expensive here
cheapest x670e is $480
cheapest z790 $300

also the 7950x costs more than 14900k
the ram costs more cause EXPO support
the motherboard cost more too
and 14900k>7950x in every benchmark

[orchid iron]

how much is the x670e taichi over there?

[devout pendant]

not even stocked by the main retailers
but $730 aud on newegg
like 460 usd

• 10% gst for imports lol

[orchid iron]

expo support isn't needed since you'll mostly be aiming for larger storage dimms than faster ones, same with intel xmp, aim for like 64gb of ram at minimum

[devout pendant]

yeah 2 x 32gb is what im going with
its $230 normal and $290 for expo support

[orchid iron]

unless 64 gb of expo ram is actually more expensive than 64 gb of intel xmp

that would be a sus moment from ram makers

[orchid iron]

in any case, I'd recommend the cheapest of the 2 options since they are both really good products

[devout pendant]

nvm only $30 diff

[orchid iron]

now that's what I call a sus moment

[devout pendant]

tbh i should probably be checking newegg pricing, it might be more stable
and theres black friday coming soon

[orchid iron]

ye, black friday hopefully has some good deals

[devout pendant]

ill probably buy the whole pc then and wait till 50 series launch before buying a gpu

[orchid iron]

use a nvidia 980 in it the meantime xD

[devout pendant]

im on intel iris xe mobile integrated graphics 💀

[orchid iron]

my man, why u gotta hurt yourself like that

[devout pendant]

samsung galaxy book2 pro
i get temp spikes to 99 degrees C randomy despite being at 20% cpu usage

[devout pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-no-cash-gif-25565154

[orchid iron]

the iGPU doing all the work xD

[devout pendant]

oh no i mean when im browsing chrome and using discord
not even when im using unreal

[orchid iron]

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[devout pendant]

it sits around 50 and spikes to 90 randomly when doing nothing

if i have ue4 open it sits at 70 and spikes to 101 when i compile lol

[orchid iron]

wait, what gen?

[devout pendant]

intel 1260P

[orchid iron]

okay nvm

just cooling issues

[devout pendant]

i looked it up, its a samsung qc issue
theyre sayng i should open it up and reapply thermal paste

samsung is worse than apply lowkey
so much bloatware
and the firmware/bios is so unfriendly
theres literally no way to control fan speed

[orchid iron]

good ridance

[devout pendant]

nvm apparently amd is not doing a top tier gpu
so no 8900xt only 8700 which is 16gb vram

[orchid iron]

ye

it's only for the price drops of the 7900xtx or 40 series nvidia cards

[devout pendant]

so ig i just have to wait and hope the nvidia gods drop a 5080/5090 without a big price jump

[orchid iron]

leakers already leaked the prices

[devout pendant]

leaked price was not a big diff

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbEPwJvtA5M

are you sure about that?

[devout pendant]

https://x.com/kopite7kimi/status/1844349747676709204

kopite7kimi (@kopite7kimi) on X

@mustyovski @anthony256 @mooreslawisdead I don't believe there will be a significant price increase for RTX 5090.

Twitter · Oct 10, 2024, 12:10 PM

[orchid iron]

yes, that's called copium

[devout pendant]

kopite7kimi is a legit leaker hes been around for ages and is usually right

[orchid iron]

they have no reason to price their stuff fairly

[devout pendant]

gonna have to wait and see

[orchid iron]

notice the wording "I don't believe", only time will tell

[devout pendant]

its overpriced as fuck already lmao

[orchid iron]

ikr

[devout pendant]

lol i just realised
4090s are priced from $3200 - $3700 here
which is already $2150-2450 USD

so if that leak is right, its the same price for me 😂

[orchid iron]

msrp of 4090 was 1500

[devout pendant]

i think it is actually cheaper to fly to USA, buy pc parts, fly back to aus

[devout pendant]

tbh the cheapest 4090 on pcpartpicker (location set to US) is $1950

lol same build is $1200 aud (670 USD) cheaper in the USA
round trip flight to LAX costs $1300 aud
i should just go and black friday shop in cali 😂

[median marsh]

for some reason, every other week amazon has a 3090TI (same model) for ~$1300

i wonder if the same card always gets returned oO

or if they sell off evga stock

[devout pendant]

maybe theyre just relisting the same one

[median marsh]

or evga is still producing 3090's as long as there's demand?! 🤔

[devout pendant]

i wish

its been over a year since they dropped out

evga was 🔥

holy shit its been 2 years

wtf its been 10 years since the 980 came out

[median marsh]

didn't they had a design flaw which made them fail under some circumstances

which they blamed on a game

[devout pendant]

never heard about that
the 980 was a goated card

[median marsh]

was a 3090 issue on evga cards

with some amazon game

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNR2B7vA1k

[fallen oasis]

I like when he's on teh search results page, not only does userbenchmark rate the 14700k higher, so do the next 2 results.

Including techradar.

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah wasn't it something like capacitors or something blowing up when a game had uncapped fps in a menu

[median marsh]

maybe the guy is part of AMDs marketing team 🤷

with that title picture he could aswell make a "Tick = Bad" video

[fallen oasis]

Heh

[devout pendant]

Tbh userbenchmark is ass

Cpubenchmark and videocardbenchmark are better

[median marsh]

its good enough to get a first impression

[devout pendant]

Also the 14700k is miles better than the 7800x3d so

[median marsh]

miles is a bit exaggerated

more like 20% according to the numbers on userbenchmark

[devout pendant]

15% single core 35% multi
According to Cpubenchmark

That's miles
Considering the 7800x3d costs more lol

[orchid iron]

7800x3D is for gaming mostly

[median marsh]

i don't think that it's better there either

intel just catched up in that regard by making good cpu's again

[devout pendant]

Man the 4090 is so far ahead of everything else incl 4080 super
It makes the nearly 2x cost almost feel worth it

[median marsh]

oO

[mighty patrol]

Idk about that..

[median marsh]

20% is not far ahead of the 4080 super...

for twice the price

[mighty patrol]

Owning a 4090 myself it's not that impressive.

5090 ti is where it will be at

[devout pendant]

30% for 2x price is not good
But 30% is a lot
The entire 4070/s/ti/sti/4080/4080s range differ by like 30% lol

[devout pendant]

I don't think there's a ti card coming

[mighty patrol]

Right now it was rumours

But who knows

[devout pendant]

Afaik the leaks are 5090 top end
32gb vram

5090ti hope not

[mighty patrol]

Saw one with more

[devout pendant]

I'll be happy if I can get a 5090 for $3400 at launch

[median marsh]

it's a shame that nvidia doesn't have reasonable priced cards with high vram available, like AMD

[devout pendant]

Yeah the 7900xtx is good value

[median marsh]

i don't even understand why AMD made the XTX, games don't profit much from it, and most content creators pick nvidia because it's usually less of a driver shit show

[devout pendant]

That's why they're quitting

[mighty patrol]

Community made drivers ftw

[median marsh]

i would prefer them making good drivers 😄

[devout pendant]

I hope they come back
With some real competition

[mighty patrol]

Wasn't amds drivers open source?

[devout pendant]

NVIDIA monopoly is cringe

[median marsh]

i hope they come back without driver issues

but afaik AMD said, they don't want to compete with high end nvidia anymore

[violet spade]

They won’t come back lol

Get over it, move on, spend your entire savings on a card

[devout pendant]

NVIDIA literally gonna be top fragging the market cap leaderboard soon

[median marsh]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-deprioritizing-flagship-gaming-gpus-jack-hyunh-talks-new-strategy-for-gaming-market

[devout pendant]

What do you think the profit margins are on a 4080S / 4090

[mighty patrol]

As long as they keep making good cpus i'm fine.

Don't need a micro code issue like intel.

[devout pendant]

I remember my first build
I think the 980 was $300 USD at the time

[violet spade]

400%

For 5090 it’ll be 500%

[devout pendant]

Sounds about right

[mighty patrol]

I hope so

[violet spade]

When you have nothing in your life, spending all your money on a video card is prly acceptable

[median marsh]

you got nvidia stock? 😄

[devout pendant]

https://x.com/kopite7kimi/status/1839343725727941060

This is the only leaker I trust btw

kopite7kimi (@kopite7kimi) on X

GeForce RTX 5090
PG144/145-SKU30
GB202-300-A1
21760FP32
512-bit GDDR7 32G
600W

Twitter · Sep 26, 2024, 4:38 PM

[median marsh]

i think the margin highly depends on the sales count

and after all, my guess is that the cost for a 4090 is almost the same as for a 4080 (except for the extra vram)

if the production process is reliable enough, which i guess it is

[devout pendant]

I'm in debt

[violet spade]

Most people are

[devout pendant]

Not student debt
40k personal loan in collections 💀

[median marsh]

in what?

[violet spade]

Ok most people don’t have a gambling addiction, I stand corrected

[devout pendant]

Also broke
And no job
💀💀
But yes if I had $10k I'd blow it all on a 5090ti build with 192gigs of ram and some crazy monitor

[plush turret]

only debt im in is to my friend, though thats on the level of owing him lunch the handful of times i forget my wallet

[orchid iron]

yeah, they realised it wasn't making enough profit to make gaming mostly focus GPU, so next gen after 8000 series will be more similar to nvidia's gpus

[nova moss]

some of the developer i speak to use the RTX 4070, i might think of 4090 at future

[orchid iron]

Depends on your workloads and if you can make back the massive money it costs
The nvidia 4070 super is the only card that's still in the "buyable" range for most people

[devout pendant]

I think even the 4080 super is not a huge increase

But the 4090 is literally 2x the 4080S which is absolutely fucked