hardware

[grave sundial]

Two new pieces of hardware for the Masterus Mechanicus.

These sacred artefacts allow the implanting of holy, devotional chips into the sacred minds of the Holy Imperium.

The Skylight screwdriver is entirely magnetic, right from the driver itself to each and every screwhead.
You can hold that bit-holder upside down and nothing falls off. Very convenient. The hilt-end of the screwdriver also ejects to reveal even MOAR screwheads lodged therein.

The generic, plebian artefact to the right is holy in its length. It allows for proper devotional stabbing, not to mention testing the voltage activity in a sacred circuit.

There were remnants of chaotic influences on its container, which I had to clean with alcohol. Clearly, chaos cultists packaged it. Regardless, its pristine glory has been restored. 😄

[fallen oasis]

Nice.

I do like a magnetic screwdriver.

[orchid iron]

That's awesome news, if you ever run into Linux issues you can ask in the #linux channel, also personal distro recommendation from me would be "Nobara" has a lot of 3d rendering packages already pre installed

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8seFFWkHfR8

[fallen oasis]

Does make me wonder how it'd hold up against my 3x TR.

(3 series, not 3 times)

[small stratus]

Thanks the annoying part is that we need a plugin that works only in Windows very annoying

[naive cloak]

noooo I get 12 fps in editor, with 7945HX 😭

[grave sundial]

The sacred shell of the glorious mainframe, blessed by the Omnissiah, has been completed.

It's a full tower from Fractal ™️ . There're five fans included. You can see the bottom three and the remaining two fans are to its right.

As the various cogitator parts are assembled, we shall commence holy prayers to the Omnissiah for fourteen days, to ensure that all chaotic elements are purified in service to the divine binary.

[final mortar]

the rounded corners concern me, when that thing is fully loaded up, you're going to want a better grip to move it

[median marsh]

isn't there a dustfilter supposed to be on the front?

or will it just suck in all your bread crumbs?

[grave sundial]

There are two, one in front and one on the bottom.

And yes, it will suck in human beings and aliens, too.

If you open the front-view image in a browser, it's big enough to make out the filter mesh.

Fractal has included enough velcro ties both IN and separately from the cabinet for me to tie myself to it, if need be.

[naive cloak]

as long as its not Corsair 2000D every should be fine 🥲

[grave sundial]

I guess you had a bad time with it?

[naive cloak]

worst design ever...

[fallen oasis]

I have a 7000D. I don't have to wrory about air flow, it's so big it has its own climate.

[unborn pike]

ordered water cooling parts for my computer

waterblocks for 5950X and RTX3090, still gotta order rest of the parts and figure out if I can even fit those in my case 😄

[naive cloak]

its easy to design large case, but when they tried to design compact case they failed...

[grave sundial]

Lies. If it had its own climate, you'd be complaining about global warming.

Did you go for water or air cooling?

[fallen oasis]

Aio cpu. Air gpu.

[fallen oasis]

If you knew me, you'd know I complain about the heat it puts out constantly. 😛

[grave sundial]

You must use hamsters to power moar fans to cool it further.

That's what all that extra space is for; hamster wheels powering fans.

[fallen oasis]

More fans will just kick out thr heat fasyer

It doesn't get too hot. It heats me up too much!

[grave sundial]

Well, you should use it as a dryer after showering.

I was thinking of reversing the air flow to let my frontal intake fans become dryers.

After showering, I could stand in front of the cabinet and dry up.

[median marsh]

i think i've seen someone integrated their water cooling into their floor heating

which is imho the best idea tbh

tons of water in there to dispose the heat, and constant temperature

[fallen oasis]

People are selling server space to help heat their homes. Pretty smart.

[median marsh]

rather pretty dumb if you don't do so

even some data centers sell the heat

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6LQeFmY-IU&pp=ygUbc3VibWVyZ2VkIGNvbXB1dGVyIGdpZ2FieXRl

This is what normal people think water cooling is,
When we know it isn't what it means
But it is so wild it actually exists

[fallen oasis]

What they don't say is that it looks really cool, too.

[naive cloak]

they will have to hire extra staff who will be responsible for that "water", clean it, replace it etc. 😰

also I am pretty sure all the materials that used in PCB manufacturing will not like it, so they will have to create special process for "submersible PCB"

[grave sundial]

An acquaintance of mine made a CPU case into an aquarium.

It was a fully functional computer with all the parts, submerged in a lovely aquarium environment for fish.

[fallen oasis]

That doesn't sound good. For the fish or the PC.

[grave sundial]

The PC was just fine.
The fish was probably eaten by someone.

[naive cloak]

ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III models etc. are on sale now, they celebrate 23 years anniversary 🥳 too bad I have custom socket so I cant use it 😢

[final mortar]

ive been rocking the 7000x for a few years and i love it

[fervent jolt]

Turn on furmark to cook the fish

[fallen oasis]

The D is just super heavy. Tempered glass doors and all that.

Thick ones.

[final mortar]

doesn't the X have more tempered glass though?

I have 3 panels of tempered glass, and the back has a pretty crazy thick metal panel

[fallen oasis]

Does it weigh 18kg?

[grave sundial]

A sacred relic has been recovered from the Corsair barge. It was retrieved under heavy fire from Chaos cultists by a Space Marine chapter, tearing it out of the polluted shell of a corrupted barge mainframe.

RM1000e Corsair PSU, 1kW

This relic is primarily used to power the intrepid engines of Corsair barges, dedicated to hunt down the enemies of man. It can also be secondarily employed against thick craniums to deploy strategic dents in them.

[final mortar]

it weighs 21.8kg

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-cases/cc-9011227-ww/icue-7000x-rgb-tempered-glass-full-tower-atx-pc-case-white-cc-9011227-ww?srsltid=AfmBOore0JdJJ8n67S6CWbAWvIJVsGRdM0iV9Exh6Mf1sWMzVpq71mOz#tab-techspecs

it's not even the heaviest Corsair case we have in the house

my partners is basically all tempered glass, it's beautiful but dangerously heavy. not sure what model it is

to be fair Corsair says the 7000d weights 20.7kg https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-cases/cc-9011218-ww/7000d-airflow-full-tower-atx-pc-case-black-cc-9011218-ww?srsltid=AfmBOop8gecdC0uOGvPCvyAJ3V4pCGi8RuhUiuyXDy0o-xUVSwmuI4ZQ#tab-techspecs

[violet spade]

Didn’t GN say the 7000 series is trash?

[final mortar]

GN says all kinds of things, but do you remember what the complaints were?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxmy6A3v4Nw

listening to the conclusion he doesnt seem very upset with it

just says the meshify 2xl might be a wiser choice

the 7000x he does not recommend

i think i remember this, and iirc its due to airflow/thermals or something

"7000x sacrifices function for aesthetics, which we are biased against"

and also its expensive

yeah thats about it

and personally, I do care about aesthetics, soooo

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[delicate crystal]

what's the reputation for MSI motherboards nowadays?

[violet spade]

And you don’t care about thermals?

Idk, they mentioned it in a later video too saying it’s not worth it for the price but 🤷

[final mortar]

well they didn't say anything about thermals actually I think I misremembered. I don't really have any issues with thermals, at least not that I can contribute to the case's airflow

and not worth it for the price is quite fair, it's quite pricey. They mention that in the video above

im sure it's not the best airflow case, but it's always a tradeoff-- the best airflow stuff also is not much to look at. If you want a purely functional, optimal airflow system and especially if you overclock, then pick something else

[naive cloak]

just buy Lian li case, Corsair is no good

~21kg? they used lead instead of aluminium?

[fallen oasis]

I don't.

[naive cloak]

you dont have to sacrifice airflow or aesthetics, you can find case that has both

[fallen oasis]

I don't see the need for case aesthetics.

[naive cloak]

then it should be much easier for you to find pc case

[fallen oasis]

Exactly!

[violet spade]

Eh my 4000D works fine and it was a great value

Decent aesthetics, excellent cable management, and great thermals

[grave sundial]

My case has both aesthetics and lots of hamster space.

Best case! 😄 And it's 13KG, so makes for a spare dumbbell, if needed.

Yeah, the 4000D looks nice too.

[orchid iron]

Hasn't blown up yet

[violet spade]

Works on in my machine

[sharp pumice]

More and more often I find that It would be very handy to have a laptop. I'm used to PC over many years and I'm biased towards it, but I can no longer neglect the need for a second computer. Buying a second PC seems less flexible than buying a laptop.
I'd mostly use the laptop for personal projects and maybe setting up gitea server, so it runs nonstop. Are there any laptops that run UE well?

[violet spade]

If you’re willing to pay double or triple the price of an equivalent specs pc sure

[sharp pumice]

Is it really that bad, god damn. I'd rather not buy something too expensive, because as you pointed out I presume laptops scale badly performance / cost compared to desktops. On the other hand I get easily frustrated if something runs slow, so maybe I should reconsider 🤔

[naive cloak]

laptops use power efficient parts (CPU, GPU) so it will not match real PC
ventilation is much worse, no upgrade options, and you get 15-17" monitor that is too small, so you will need external monitor/s then you will want to close the laptop because you dont need the monitor but you will not be able to use the keyboard so you will have to buy keyboard and mouse, now you have ended up with PC basically but not a good one
if you will use external monitors and all that you can check Mini PCs, such as Beelink or Minisforum, high end models have PCI slot for external GPU

[grave sundial]

You CAN buy a great laptop for an expensive price and get desktop equivalent components for the most part, except with the GPU. The GPU is almost always the M variety, or whatever latest classification they are using for a component that is 50% less powerful than its desktop counterpart.

You can cross-compare models on benchmark sites and see what you'd be missing out on. Now, if you are jumping entire generations of computer parts, then you might not care because of the convenience a high-end laptop brings. But, if you are just in it for a recent upgrade, desktop is always more powerful.

[orchid iron]

The reason why laptops are so expensive is because laptop manufacturers often make custom everything to make sure everything fits and get cooled in an extremely compact environment

So you'll have to spend around x2 to x3 the price for that slick custom design

[fervent jolt]

Just buy a cheap laptop with a big screen and dev via rdp

[orchid iron]

Oh, you could also set up remote access to your computer, so that you don't need a powerful laptop at all

[median marsh]

you could also use RDP or smth to dev on your workstation

[celest jungle]

get the laptop 4090 which is basically just an underclocked desktop 4080

[naive cloak]

is there full layout keyboard, aluminium shell, rgb/backlit symbols only, no clicking sound, full size keys, flat panel/floating keys like: but not Logitech 512/513?

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-226619277284015619

[naive cloak]

found Corsair K70 RGB but it cost too much

my current membrane keyboard is 20+ yo probably, it has PS/2 port 🫣

but unlike all the "cool" 150$+ keyboards I know that my keyboard will keep working for 10 more years at least

🥰 🤗

[naive cloak]

oh I think I found keyboard* 😄 :
https://fluxkeyboard.com

[grave sundial]

I purchased a Red Dragon mechanical keyboard for typing recently, when I decided to start a book.

It's worked out beautifully so far. 😄 Now, I can't stand membrane keyboards. 🤣

[fallen oasis]

Logitech K120 for life.

[naive cloak]

I will use RAPOO 9550M for now...
maybe some company will release decent keyboard one day
only problem is that the mouse is "falling asleep" when I dont move it for some time so when I move it again there is a wake up time 😰

[median marsh]

get a cat to keep it awake

[fallen oasis]

My mouse, a wireless one, wakes up instantly, even when it runs out of power and I connect the power lead (with magnetic cables, they're so great).

[mighty patrol]

logitech?

[fallen oasis]

Yup

G703.

[naive cloak]

I have G502 but I dont like Logitech anymore

[violet spade]

I have G903

[fallen oasis]

Why?

[naive cloak]

quality is not what it used to be, they focus on the LEDs more...

[median marsh]

competition killed them

a reliable mice is probably produced <$5 while it could be sold for $30 giving their old company image

they now life of their name, but sell crap so loyal idiots get milked

an MX Pro Master whatever is probably <$10 in production, too. and they sell it for >$100

[orchid iron]

"We make pretty mouses"

[mellow galleon]

i bought a cool razer deathadder for 50$, scrollwheel and lmb died on a 5th month.
i bought a steelseries mouse for 40$, scrollwheel died in 2 months
i bought 6 genius dx170 mices for ~12$ discounted , atm on 3nd one (2 died in 4 years due to my poe addiction, 1 in use 3 remain).
talk about cost efficiency

the only downside they don't have fancy side buttons which i like a lot

[median marsh]

3rd

[fallen oasis]

They do focus on the LEDs...

[crimson whale]

any1 know why the price would be so... odd here?

14TB for $189

versus the 12TB which is at $227

even the 10 TB is at $259.. is this some kinda marketing technique or did they mess up their own price?

[mighty cosmos]

Pretty much the same here with every high end mouse I bought before... Until... Glorious Model O, it's 70$ but my original one has been going strong for close to 4-5 years, got 2 of them, 1 for my 2nd PC and now ordered the V2

Their stuff is very very good, I pretty much buy exclusively from them when it comes to peripherals and mouse pads

Plus they are one of the only ones that have really good ambidextrous mice, which I need

When you are paying for a high end mouse you are mostly paying for the high end optical sensors

And having tried many many different mice from cheap to high end, with varying types of sensors, the sensor quality makes quite a massive difference if you care about accuracy

[naive cloak]

Glorious Model O has transparent plexiglass or something under the honey comb holes?

or is it open for dust colleting?

[mighty cosmos]

It's a hollow shell, there isn't anything bellow the honeycomb (to reduce weight, it's 67g)
But the inside is covered with hydrophobic coating and dust is pretty easy to just blow out or vacuum

the bottom is also covered in honeycombs

[naive cloak]

I bought G502 because it had weights 😄
and before that I had the GOAT G5

[naive cloak]

I dont understand why Logitech G513 dont use PBT keys 🤦‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️

[mighty cosmos]

I'm pretty competitive when it comes to shooters 😅
So I want the mouse to be as light as possible

[full flare]

New build complete. Will upgrade the gpu as soon as the nvidia 50s is released

[crimson whale]

msi ❤️

[full flare]

A friend gave me that gpu kinda got lucky so I didn’t have to buy a cheap one till the 5080 comes out. I’d just hate to buy a 4080 and 6 months later a better version is out

[fervent jolt]

i've been using a Glorious O2 for almost a year now. definitely a fantastic mouse and hope it lasts. i ate through a bunch of steelseries sensei ten mice before this.

[violet spade]

Why you eat mice, you a cat ? 🐈

[naive cloak]

nowadays there is no guarantee that newer model 5080 will be better...

Intel 14th gen for example

[mighty cosmos]

yeah I had a steelseries mouse and it had the same fate as all others, only ones that has been lasting me are my old Zowie and now 2 glorious model 0s and v2 on its way
I also have their keyboard and mouse pad, zero complaints

I got one of their elemental mouse pads, the thin hard one (hard surface), and they are not selling it anymore... I wish I ordered a few more

[candid frost]

when will the nvidia 50s will come out?

[mighty patrol]

Soon ™️

Maybe same time as Fab

[plush turret]

Ive been using the same $15 logitech mouse and had zero issues for almost a decade

[violet spade]

You got lucky

But also it’s prly not very good for poll rates and whatnot

[plush turret]

which of these is better? I need roughly 27 feet of ethernet to get ethernet from my router to my pc

https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Basics-Ethernet-600MHz-Snagless/dp/B089MG7CY3/
https://www.amazon.com/Senetem-Ethernet-Internet-Shielded-Compatible/dp/B0CC319W9X/

home internet will be *up to 1gigbit

[candid frost]

Which cpu will be better for UE c++ development + gaming 7700X or 7800X3D

[mellow galleon]

x3d barely make any difference for compiling, but affect gaming positively

[candid frost]

so in terms of compiling theres not much difference? but in gaming x3d is betteR?

[mellow galleon]

more cores = better for compiling

[orchid iron]

You also need much more ram for compiling than gaming

[naive cloak]

I am not IT specialist but I think if you have up to 1 Gbps you can even use CAT6 cable, it cost less, but if the installation process is hard will require drilling walls, opening sockets etc. (something that you will no want to do again), then use CAT7 or 8 to "future proof" it

[grave sundial]

https://media.tenor.com/hKmR-yL4YXAAAAAM/drill-wall-girl-drill.gif

[plush turret]

its just going around a room

my router is in the opposite side of the 11x14 room from my computer

*in feet

https://tenor.com/view/william-shatner-james-kirk-captain-kirk-star-trek-maximum-speed-gif-16487705

[delicate crystal]

would having 256GB RAM in DDR4 > 128GB RAM with DDR5? With everything else being equal of course

[median marsh]

"we have hammer drill at home"

[orchid iron]

Depends if what you are doing...but if you don't mind very small speed decrease, quantity is better

Why do you think AMD is putting out new am4 CPUs? Most of their server customers still use zen2 and zen3 EPYC parts because of cheaper ram and mobo

Also, speed difference between ddr4 and ddr5 is actually quite small because the clocks aren't the whole story because the ram timings are different and you can look up exact details online

[delicate crystal]

Ah gotcha. Was asking as I was debating doing AM4 but getting more RAM, but didn't know if more memory or more cores would be the better choice.

[median marsh]

128GB is the limit on an AM4 system anyways

for anything above you need a threadripper

[delicate crystal]

Have to jave windows 11 as well i think

[candid frost]

64 isnt enough?

also is it better to have 16 x4 than 32 x2?

[orchid iron]

Depends on your thread count, 2-3gb per thread is usually a safe bet, unless you use applications which eat ram like no tomorrow

Also, better to have 32x2 for extra speed, plus you can upgrade to a 32x4 later

[candid frost]

but 32x4 would support my msi b650 mobo?

[median marsh]

no

normal boards only support dual channel, so with 2 modules you are already maxing out speed

so rather pick 2x32GB because you can add more later

[candid frost]

so i can do 32x4 later on the same pc? like i heard it will take more load so i would need to upgrade my gpu and cpu

[median marsh]

thats BS

[candid frost]

ohhhhh

these ytubers speaking bs nowadays....

[fallen oasis]

Not just nowadays...

Though if ram is the bottleneck in your pc's performance, it might mean upgrading your ram allows you to upgrade your gpu and cpu to increase performance in other areas.

But by no means is it required.

[hollow mist]

there can be compatibility issues when upgrading to 4 sticks even if they are the same model, so care...

[fallen oasis]

Indeed.

They all have slightly different timings and things, so your system can become unstable.

[candid frost]

i see

[fallen oasis]

Even buying all of them together can have issues, but buying them separately increases teh chances of incompatibilities drastically

That's why you seem matched/paired ram sticks being sold.

[median marsh]

from dubious companies which sell you factory overclocked memory 😛

you have less problems with OEM modules

[fallen oasis]

Not always 😛

But yeah, those too.

[median marsh]

i think samsung isn't randomly changing dram chips on their modules

given they have the same model number

[fallen oasis]

?!

Exactly the same ram can have compatibility issues due to minor differences in manufacturing.

[median marsh]

usually the issue is that they changed dram chips during production

and ofc the fact that they run them on the absolute limit

which isn't the case for most OEM modules since they don't come with fancy XMP/Expo/Whatever

[plush turret]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P2SVTW7
I do plan to bury this, im assuming its fast enough for gigbit speeds

direct line out to an ADU

[mighty patrol]

Up to 10 Gbps

[mellow galleon]

do you actually need that speeds ?

[mighty cosmos]

Turns out... there is a massive boost in performance to amd CPUs and especially the 9xxx series in an upcoming windows update after AMD's investigation
https://youtu.be/yDzVWqncMFA

and magically intel cpus are unaffected

makes me wonder if it has anything to do with microsoft's relationship with intel

[violet spade]

Well, at this point the microcode they’re releasing for Intel is all about damage control 😃

[naive cloak]

I dont understand, AMD has 16 real cores, but Intel with 8 cores show better scores on almost all benchmarks? how is it possible?

[plush turret]

maybe since intel and windows have a deal the software/hardware interface for intel is better?

[naive cloak]

and AMD ignores that?

is there Linux benchmarks?

[agile lodge]

blueman well win11 get that intel use of ecores so early on so surely not affect them

[orchid iron]

16 cores, but 2 ccds with 8 core each, which introduces cross core latency which can reduce performance on specific tasks like gaming, if you want an accurate comparison take a 14900k and disable all e cores, then see it goes against a 7800x3d since it is only 1 CCD without the x16 core latency

The x12 and x16 real core CPUs are for multi threaded workloads

[orchid iron]

"Massive" is relative, especially when considering it also boosts Zen 4 and Zen 3, which makes the zen4 price drop even sweeter

[plush turret]

what do these mean?

[grave sundial]

That has always been the case, as far as I can remember. Intel and MS sitting under a tree, k i s society! 😄

It's one of the reasons I stayed away from AMD for a long time, because I knew that MS would prioritise Intel and AMD would take a backseat, no matter how good their hardware is.

But, AMD's come a long way. I hope they keep throwing their weight around and smacking MS every now and then. There should be as fair a playing field as possible.

[agile lodge]

winodws 11 have that new scheduler what easier to use hybrid CPU like intel E-cores and P-cores for workloads so it get things from there and seems amd now have going to that route too so there is some catch up work to do to utilize hybrid workloads

[agile lodge]

intel xe2 gpu https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/824434/2024-intel-tech-tour-xe2-and-lunar-lake-s-gpu.html

[mellow galleon]

enforcement of specific ethernet network connectivity mode. usually it is autonegotiation between what client and target support

[tight lagoon]

Has anyone here jammed a 4080 in a mini ITX? What are the thermals like with heavy development in unreal?

[mellow galleon]

why one would even use such small case for heavy load, you'd need some serious cooler for it

[orchid iron]

Look up 4080 laptops to get an idea

[violet spade]

That’s mobile versions tho

[fresh fog]

Any hardware wizards around?

Installed a new 2x32GB RAM kit. Now, keep getting GPU driver timeouts. (very very bittersweet)
I've done some digging around, and it can be due to bad RAM. I've ran msdched.exe, and it returned no bad pages and no errors at all, and otherwise everything else is working fine with the RAM, so I'm assuming it's incompatible timings from the old XMP profile.

To note: before installing the new RAM, I disabled XMP, and did a hard shutdown with shutdown /s /t 0 to flush anything that may be saved and stored.
Currently I've disabled XMP to return to stock timings, and manually set the RAM speed to it's proper 3200MHz, initially was stuck in a bootloop, but after a hard reset all seems to be good now. Currently waiting to see if the issue repeats, but wondered if anyone else had any ideas before I either live with 2133MHz RAM (not good with Ryzen) or RMA the RAM if the issue returns.

Oh, installed latest drivers too, but didn't suspect that as the issue anyway given the error only occured when changing RAM.
As stated, I don't believe it's bad RAM itself, all is working fine in other departments, but it just seems there's something incompatible. Not sure if it was the XMP timings, if this RAM didn't like 1.35V, or what.

Currently got it on stock timings, overclocked to 3200MHz, and 1.2V. I could try dipping to 3000MHz if it still plays up, but it's all stabs in the dark at this point. Not comfortable manually messing with timings, as I don't know enough about RAM to do so.

Another odd side note, is RAM was overclocked to 3200, but windows is still showing stock speed

I guess because of the bootloop, it never POST'd so never applied the settings?!

[fresh fog]

Everything appears to be alright on stock speeds.
Not exactly what I want though

[grave sundial]

Leave the RAM on stock speeds and stress test the GPU.
Tell us if the GPU throws up a timeout or any other errors.

Use AIDA64, Prime95, and OCCT, to be sure.

Which NVidia drivers are you using? I assume you have an RTX card. If it's 560 something, downgrade them to 552 to 555 - one of those. The 560 versions are reporting instability issues.

If the GPU remains stable in the tests, RMA the RAM kit and get two hamsters to temporarily take up their space in the RAM slots, while you order new ones.

[opaque pond]

yeah

[opaque pond]

what ram did you have before ?

[grave sundial]

It has ARRIVED!

I had to unbend one or two of those radiator plates carefully. I am amazed how flexible these things are and therefore, a bit fragile.

[grave sundial]

Also, gazing at the radiator fins for a long time causes some cool eye-effects.

[fallen oasis]

Heh

[fresh fog]

A 2x8GB of the same speed stuff.

Though this set was purchased 5 years later, so there's almost certainly differences

[fresh fog]

GPU is fine.

RAM is fine at stock too, it's just the drivers timing out when xmp is on

Gonna give it another shot today on xmp just to see

[grave sundial]

In that case, leave latency timings at stock and try increasing the MHz manually, without using xmp profiles.

See if you can boost that speed stably. That'll narrow down the issue further.

You don't need me to tell you this, but testing all these settings is going to be a PITA. 😄

Oh yeah, as an experiment, you can set the RAM speed to the maximum that your CPU will officially support and check if it causes a driver time out. That official max support is listed on the CPU's web page.

[fresh fog]

Tried manually setting to 3200, that causes a bootloop, no idea why though 🤔

But yeah, looks like experimentation time 🥳

[grave sundial]

🤔 Do you have the box in which the RAM arrived? There's a kit number written on that, which will let us find the factory specs and OC specs for this RAM easily. If you could share that, that'd be great.

[fresh fog]

Sure

Give me a few

CMK64GX4M2E3200C16

[grave sundial]

VENGEANCE® LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Memory Kit?

If so, you can first try this:

1. Use the XMP profile in BIOS and then copy the XMP profile's settings on a notepad / paper.
   .Some users have reported that using a profile causes problems, but using the profile's settings manually does not. 🤷
2. Disable XMP and then manually enter the same profile's timings to overclock the RAM.
3. Check if that gives a timeout.

If that crashes too, then try 3100, 3000, and 2900 MHz with the XMP profile latency timings (manually entered).

If it is still borked, try the same MHz frequencies at default (not XMP profile) latency timings.

If the timings that give you stability are way below the factory recommended OC profile, it's better to get it exchanged for a new ram kit and then, suffer testing once more.

[fresh fog]

Bingo

Awesome, I'll give it a shot

Thanks :)

[orchid iron]

Redundant question but, have you tried updating the BIOS? Generally RAM compatibility issues come from outdated BIOS, and I don't think I saw you mention you tried it

[fresh fog]

Hmm, no I haven't.

[orchid iron]

You can also update your chipset which is a separate thing to update while you are there

[fresh fog]

Good to know, thanks

[median marsh]

also check dram voltage

they seem to be rated 1.35V

check if the mobo did set that voltage

[fresh fog]

it did on XMP. Stock is 1.2V

[tight lagoon]

4080 laptops are basically worthless as they overheat and throttle themselves. And yeah, that card does not match up to the desktop 4080 even

[fresh fog]

Aight, manually set the speed and timings, lets see how we do.

[median marsh]

By default, DDR4 runs at 1.2v, while many memory module kits are rated to run at around 1.35v with XMP. Raise your voltage slowly until your system is stable; we recommend not going above 1.4v to be safe.

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052448851-RAM-Tips-on-safely-overclocking-memory#:~:text=Increasing voltage too much can,1.4v to be safe.

[fresh fog]

Interesting.
If I'm having issues I'll try raising to 1.3-1.35V

[median marsh]

especially if you have more modules, in my experience raising memory voltage can make it work

but that whole XMP stuff is just crap imho

shouldn't be allowed 😄

https://tenor.com/view/jail-no-excuse-gif-24460693

[rare mulch]

7950x3d or 7960x threadripper

need help deciding

[fallen oasis]

For what purpose?

[rare mulch]

trying to get into game programming

[fallen oasis]

Get a thread ripper if you are compiling the engine several times a day. If you don't know if you will don't waste $10k on a theeadripper system.

[rare mulch]

if im just starting out should i just get the 7950x3d then later on down the line get a threadripper

i saw a sale on the 7960x threadripper thats why i thought ill ask

[fallen oasis]

For how much? Bear in mind you also need special motherboards and ram that are more expensive.

[rare mulch]

1100

[fallen oasis]

That's pretty good tbf. My tr cost like $3k!

But just go with thr x3d...

[rare mulch]

i think the only thing i would have to get is the motherboard

i have the money so thats not an issue

[mighty cosmos]

I personally wouldn't get a threadriper for anything except a build server, single thread performance you get with 9950x or 7950x3d is still very valuable/useful for work

[rare mulch]

yea ima just stick with the 7950x3d for now since im just starting out i have 64 ram also

[fallen oasis]

Where'd you see that offer anyway?

[rare mulch]

open box microcenter near my house

[fallen oasis]

Dang.

The 3 series threadrippers were out of stock just everywhere.

The 7 series is on sale! 😂

[rare mulch]

is it really worth the price

[fallen oasis]

See my comment about compiling.

I compiled the engine about 15 times yesterday.

Worth it for me.

[rare mulch]

i had got two oled monitors like a idiot i was just gonna return one and get it lol

[naive cloak]

when you buy server CPU you will have to buy server components, MB, RAM, even cooler

[rare mulch]

dam even a new aio

[naive cloak]

check if your AIO supports Threadripper socket but I think it does not...

[rare mulch]

i know he said its worth it for compile times for him cause he does it so much in a day but if your just starting out is it worth

[rare mulch]

i guess future proofing wise

[naive cloak]

check how much all other components will cost and compare

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_threadripper_7960x-vs-amd_ryzen_9_9950x

[vivid marsh]

I have a really, really random question... Has anyone tried doing level design with a touchpad? My hand is literally dying because of an old sport injury so I cant use a thumb trackball and I'm not sure yet if I should use a finger trackball. Currently I am using a ergonomic mouse but it is not really working.

My doctor mentioned that ergonomically an external touchpad might be the best thing for me to use. But I don't really know how to do level design with that? Holding the right mouse + moving, etc, etc. Had anyone tried? Does anyone know of it works?

[minor veldt]

It "works", but isn't as fast as using a mouse, if the touchpad has physical click buttons you can use with the other hand. Without that I'm not sure.

[vivid marsh]

Thanks!

[median marsh]

idk how your movement is affected, but maybe something like this is worth considering?
https://www.alternate.de/p/o/4/8/3DConnexion_SpaceMouse_Pro__Maus@@970084.jpg

3D Connexion Space Mouse, there are few other versions

the "knob" can be rotated, shifted, tilted

[vivid marsh]

Interesting, does that work with unreal and as a normal mouse as well? Or only for modelling and such?

[median marsh]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/3dconnexion-plugin-for-unreal-editor

for unreal there's a plugin, not sure if you can use it as normal mouse

it's primary a tool for 3D applications, but quite possible that it has some mouse emulation mode

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/IitwrXJuKzw?si=85YcbZYYjYlfpt6t

[naive cloak]

he was searching for the perfect desktop nas device for what felt like forever, until 45drives paid him to make this video...

my advice is if you need something and want to watch review never watch sponsored videos

videos with the least amounts of views will usually give you the best unbiased info about the product

but not all of them, some will try to get sponsors so they may lie too...

[median marsh]

would be great if there was a company which has insight on how reliable a decent amount of drives are

like backblaze...

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-q1-2024/

[orchid iron]

Depends, if anything it mostly relies on how much the reviewer values integrity, the popularity not so much
Some like hardware unboxed and gamer nexus are extremely intolerant in any company shady behaviour even though they have millions of subscribers

[grave sundial]

Our prayers to the Omnissiah have come to fruition. Behold the Ultra Widum Hex Threedium, a new mainframe that will sing the praises of the Golden Throne for eternity.

Corsair Vengeance 6000MHz 32x2 GB RAM kit accepted overclock profile immediately. No issues with it so far.
No OC or undervolt done yet. Temperatures are standing steady at 31C idle and 53C medium-y load.

[fallen oasis]

Not only is it updating, it's also stretching!

Aspeeeeeeeeeeeect

[grave sundial]

Heresy! You will sing a 1,000 pslams of devotion to the stretched holy light of the Emperor.

Also, this was from two hours ago. Pretty much everything that needs to be installed has been done, save around 2 TB worth of games. 😄

[fallen oasis]

That's a super dodgy place to have a usb hub lol

[grave sundial]

Which one?

[long mist]

give me that monitor right now

[grave sundial]

Away! Away with thee, chaotic heretic!
The light of the emperor shall banish thee to narrow monitor land!

[long mist]

....

[grave sundial]

Oh, that! That's a meme hub for when I want to plug in a USB drive to copy a few files.
I didn't want to keep sticking and removing drives on the back of the case.

I removed that cable, too. Plugged it back into its adapter to charge my mobile phone.

[fallen oasis]

Yeah, but I can just see you plugging something in and the pressure snapping the hub in half and breaking the socket in the top of the case.

[grave sundial]

It's quite sturdy, I assure you.

But, I will endeavour to create such a situation for your pleasure. 😄

[fallen oasis]

I'd just have a usb hub with a bender fire instead of that 😛

[grave sundial]

The main hub is next to the monitor, near the cabinet, btw.

Next to the mini-keyboard and fan. 😄

[fallen oasis]

I'd take a photo of my one, but it's covered in cat hair.

[grave sundial]

Cat hub, huh? 😄

[grave sundial]

FancyZones from MS Powertoys at work.

This is just a 2x3 grid that I made.

[cyan wharf]

ah, neato

im unsure im sold on curved displays, would be cool if there was a knob on the back to adjust it 🤔

[naive cloak]

just use dual monitor setup instead

[cyan wharf]

i take it you got the new video card working, if that was you?

[grave sundial]

It was me, if you mean my eGPU and 4060ti. The eGPU was fine, but my old laptop didn't have TB4, only TB3.

So, I just bought a new computer. 😄

[cyan wharf]

good choice imo

upgrading laptops rarely works out

[grave sundial]

Btw, what did you mean by adjusting the display?

To divide the screen or rotate it and stuff?

[cyan wharf]

i meant the curvature, like your lumbar support knob on a chair

soft displays are a thing, thats how the foldable google tablet/phone works

so then depending on how close you are viewing the screen from, you could adjust the curvature to be appropriate / not distracting

[grave sundial]

Ah, I see. MSI actually gave me the ability to rotate the display about 20-ish degrees for some reason.

With all these windows open, I am preparing myself for my eventual brain chip implant.

[naive cloak]

it will be too dangerous, people will smash their heads if they curve it too much...

[cyan wharf]

Hm does whatever system software you are using for managing display regions, or whatever its calling them .. does that interface properly with alt-tab mechanics?

[naive cloak]

maybe your brand has software for monitor splitting, I have Dell and it has this option, but I never tested it

[grave sundial]

So far, yes. I am not surprised, since Microsoft designed FancyZones as part of their Powertoys suite.

[cyan wharf]

Oh its powertoys, cool

[naive cloak]

this is from Dell DDM

[grave sundial]

The MSI monitor itself doesn't have a screen split facility without PBI something - at least two external image sources required.

For window spamming, FancyZones works well.

BUT, I have read that it is bad for games.

[naive cloak]

I have win 10, I dont think I have it

[grave sundial]

Fancyzones? Go into MS Store.

Install Powertoys app.

You can select FancyZones from therein.

[cyan wharf]

Hey do moniters these days, or yours in particular, come with uh dynamic refresh rate? or .. whatever buzzword its called currently? What i mean is, where games dont need to run with a fixed vsync of 30/60/90 in order to not cause visible tearing?

[naive cloak]

my main issue is that I use DP daisy chain and if I turn off main monitor chained monitor will lose signal

[grave sundial]

Aye, but the solutions aren't straightforward. Basically, it all comes down to - use AMDFreesync or G-Sync from Nvidia to match the refresh rate to the game's FPS.

So, you basically force the monitor to come down to a peasant-y level. 😄

[cyan wharf]

is this done on an individual frame basis? or .. a triple-buffer .. 3-frame basis?

[naive cloak]

if you want to pay 500$+ for monitor you will probably get all the good features...

[grave sundial]

Not sure. But, I assume there'll be frame skipping when reducing the frame rate forcefully.

[cyan wharf]

Anyway another dev was telling me and id never heard of this magic.

But I think he was wrong about it being the common standard that everyone has?

[grave sundial]

At least a dev doesn't have to worry about it too much, from what I understand. If you lock your game to 60FPS, freesync and g-sync ought to take care of it on the user's hardware side.

[grave sundial]

Common in what sense?

[naive cloak]

I think its called Adaptive-Sync

[grave sundial]

Yes, but AMD and NVidia have their brand names for it.

And both do not play nice with each other.

[cyan wharf]

Also the monitor itself has to support it, correct?

[grave sundial]

Indeed.

[cyan wharf]

And does the monitor have to support the amd/nvidia specific feature?

[naive cloak]

yes, afaik you will need GPU that supports it and monitor that support your GPU technology

[grave sundial]

Yes.

[cyan wharf]

Well, thats an issue then.

[grave sundial]

Basically.

[cyan wharf]

Also like what about smart tvs

[grave sundial]

But, I think modern engines / DX 12 libraries provide for supporting both techs; but yeah, it's a competitive problem.

[cyan wharf]

You want to watch netflix or w/e .. maybe this doesnt apply since frames come in complete or not at all.

[grave sundial]

TVs are slightly easier to deal with, since you can force a single refresh rate on the user basically.

Or two.

[naive cloak]

I think prople should stop calling them "smart" tv there is nothing smart there... only locked basic android with some useless apps and a lot of ads

[cyan wharf]

Anyway the effect on me as a developer, the dream would be, that the game doesn't have to flip flop between 30fps / 60 fps but can smoothly take as long as it needed to for an indidivual frame -- and when its at 45 fps (1/45 mspf) it doesnt cause noticable tearing just turning around ingame.

[grave sundial]

You forget. It's smarter than the customer.

[cyan wharf]

"smart" anything always has just mean it has a chip and some software on it

[grave sundial]

Oh, as a dev, you can just lock it to 60 FPS if you don't want to deal with 144s and higher FPS.

[naive cloak]

now it all makes sense

[cyan wharf]

that assumes you HIT 60 fps in all situations

[grave sundial]

You ought to be able to. Some of the modern games are basically ignoring old hardware now.

60 FPS is essentially the lower limit.

So, you can happily design for it and tell any other peasant user to suck an egg.

[cyan wharf]

Id prefer to not have to design for it at all ;D

And when the effect that wasnt well optimized is onscreen, and the fps is 40 not 60, it still looks only 15% worse not infinity worse

[grave sundial]

I think the engine you use, like Unreal for example, should natively support the 60 FPS thingy without requiring any coding from your side. But, I might be VERY wrong.

[naive cloak]

games with less than 60 fps are unplayable, at least for me...

[cyan wharf]

thats what im saying

largely because of screen tear

[grave sundial]

Just take the customer's money and blame his tech.

💸

[naive cloak]

screen tearing can be "fixed", but the problem is that when its less than 60 fps gameplay is not smooth

[cyan wharf]

that depends how tightly the update loop and render loop are tied

which in unreal and unity, they are directly tied

though it compensates by having the update process long elapsed time

which means, yea gameplay is not smooth

in any case less than 60 fps is definitely noticable in feeling, but only tends to make a game feel unplayable when its a FPS

or when input lag is particularly damning

like im not super worried about always hitting 60 fps for the rts im working on

though if it doesnt, it will be my own fault ;D

[grave sundial]

You mean, you are not going for 600 FPS in your rts, using the Nvidia STX 6000?

👀

[median marsh]

i get 600fps in SC2 withan 3060

and on the same map during end of game the fps crash down <10 sometimes

because it can't handle ~1k units

[cyan wharf]

good example

of why its hard to guarantee 60 fps in an rts

[median marsh]

might be a cpu bottleneck tho, not sure

[grave sundial]

You must show your CPU who's boss.

[cyan wharf]

its 100% a cpu issue

[grave sundial]

Get to the gym and flex those biceps.

[cyan wharf]

actually though sc2 was designed for a FIXED unit cap

sc3 too for that matter

so, stop playing Big Game Huntards

(custom map that wiped out regular melee matchmaking so people could have 999 infinite crystals at their spawn and tech straight to carriers in 10p ffa)

[grave sundial]

How dare j00!?!

We do not spend thousands of dollars to be restricted by small number FPSes.

WE MUST HAVE 1,000 FPS! ✊

[cyan wharf]

you will have 1,000 frames per 1,000 seconds

WTF is this crap Discord!

[grave sundial]

I've got Skulls and Bones on mine.

PITA.

[mighty patrol]

sc3? Is it actually being made?

[cyan wharf]

i keep getting sc2 and wc3 mixed up since i played more sc1 and wc3 than sc2

so, no not that i know of

[mighty patrol]

Aww

[cyan wharf]

but yea BGH is/was a popular custom map that intentionally circumvented pop cap and finite resources and inevitably performed real shittily, yet people played it anyway, which existed for both wc3 and sc2

[mighty patrol]

Wc3 reforged was so bad

[cyan wharf]

i didnt even try it

[mighty patrol]

So many promises

[cyan wharf]

sounded cool though

[mighty patrol]

So little came through

[cyan wharf]

i mean was it actually all the wc3 races and heroes ported as-is gameplay wise?

[mighty patrol]

Na they changed things

[cyan wharf]

and i suppose, ideally, an equally usable custom map editor

[mighty patrol]

Nerfed some

Buffed others

To be fair was needed for a while

[cyan wharf]

4 different playable factions that are actually pretty well balanced and play quite differently, even in terms of their economy, is a highpoint for me in rts(s), with wc3

[mighty patrol]

Ye

It was a good design

even wc2 was good

A bit harder to get going but

[cyan wharf]

wc2 is ancient era of rts

[mighty patrol]

At least its untouched

By re-work

[cyan wharf]

like sure it was amazballs at the time

just having two different factions

[mighty patrol]

I still enjoy it

But not the same

Compared to modern

[cyan wharf]

wc3 afaik first rts with rpg elements and hero like units

like beyond single player campaign i mean

[mighty patrol]

What about kingdom under fire?

Came out 2001

wc3 was 2002

[cyan wharf]

i had to google it, wasn't on my radar apparently

[mighty patrol]

war of heroes

Specifically

Now is a blockchain based game

[cyan wharf]

metacritic 51/100 yikes

[mighty patrol]

For multiplayer

Yeah its dated

Didnt age well

[cyan wharf]

well i assume those are reviews from the time period

[mighty patrol]

Likely

But its on steam

To this day still

Re-mastered sorta

F2p

[cyan wharf]

f2p but .. blockchain .. wut does blockchain have to do with an rts

[mighty patrol]

Idk

Something with their p2p system

[cyan wharf]

p2p persistant blockchain hats

[mighty patrol]

World first to achieve a successful serverless online gaming feature by utilizing Locus Chain Blockchain technology - RPG game mode with multi-play capability - Unique RTS/RPG Hybrid

[cyan wharf]

oh

[mighty patrol]

Yeah

[cyan wharf]

well, sounds like they want persistant rpg elements

[mighty patrol]

Idk I only did a bit of research into it

But I played a lot of the other kingdom under fire games

Because they were rpg/ rts specific

[cyan wharf]

so maybe they need to be able to validate "meta game" progression elements without an authoritative server

[mighty patrol]

You play a hero and control an army

Then kingdom under fire 2 came out

and it was an mmo

That was a sad day

[cyan wharf]

that quote i assume refers to that last one

[mighty patrol]

Yeah their last game

[cyan wharf]

isnt um elite dangerous actually doing something similar?

[mighty patrol]

Might be

[cyan wharf]

insofar as clients are distributed servers somehow

i think maybe that only applies to specific parts of the meta game economy though .. i forget

whats funny is despite whatever that quote was suppose to be saying about not needing a server

the end of the kingdom under fire 2 wikipedia page is

It was announced on February 20, 2019, that the Russian servers would be shut down on March 20, 2019. The developers said this was due to working on "new projects". Kingdom Under Fire II wasn't confirmed for abandonment, but won't be available for playing.[25] On September 17, 2021 Gameforge announced that it was discontinuing operations of the North American and European servers and that they would be going offline on October 26, 2021. [26]

so clearly, its not serverless, as you cannot play it anymore .. do to them closing a server lawl

[mighty patrol]

Yeah I had fun on that game but it just didnt have player base

The army gameplay made it unique

There's a few other games like it now I suppose

Could honestly probably go the route of gameranger

[cyan wharf]

The few RTSs that inspired interest in me are ...

1. Age of Empires (not modern remasters, this is long long ago, its gameplay is not appealing anymore),
2. WC3 (hero unit micro + the xp progression + hero choice + 4 factions = so many ideas to try out),
3. SC2 (honestly liked the less micro focus, and hero unit concepts of wc3 much more than sc-style, but its what people were playing, and the specificity of build order vs build order matchups and map specific modifications to that were quite captivating, just obnoxious skill issues),
4. AI War 2 (asymentrical single-player vs ai beatdown designed for replayability and achieving it),

Hm i guess that might be about it actually. I could also name quite a few games that originated as rts custom maps that are not themselves rts's that i also was into, but hey not giving my whole life story.

[mighty patrol]

Dont think ive heard of ai war 2 will check it out

All good choices

[cyan wharf]

I ended up becoming big in the modding scene of aiw2 in recent years. And, only actually played it in those recent years too.

[mighty patrol]

warcraft 3 modding is what got me into wanting to learn game dev.

[cyan wharf]

😄 you made big game hunters didnt you

[mighty patrol]

Nope

Made a few small melee maps and something I never finished

Was working on an rpg

[cyan wharf]

cube defense, uhhh snipers/paintball, what else do i play a lot of ... oh, uh .. dark and darker? no ..

evolution, man there were a lot of good ones, many of which become full games

[mighty patrol]

Try Dungeonborne?

[cyan wharf]

i mean .. dota

[mighty patrol]

Similar to dark and darker

[cyan wharf]

idrc dungeonborne, oh if dark and darker was indeed a map name, i loved that one

[mighty patrol]

Na it was a seperate thing but just similar game style

Not sure map name

Didnt play much

[cyan wharf]

darker deeds?

[mighty patrol]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2448970/Dungeonborne/

Steam

Dungeonborne

Descend into the treacherous corridors of Clouseau Castle or brave the multi-floored labyrinth of Sinner's End. Prepare a death from above with unique landscapes that express a sense of verticality. Discover hoards of priceless artifacts and conquer the monstrous guardians that stand in your path. Then lead your party to safety, before these wal...

▶ Play video

Mixed now

[cyan wharf]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2153310/Buriedbornes__Dungeon_RPG/
not to be confused with lol

[mighty patrol]

Damn lol

[cyan wharf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraft3/comments/1dvgnmr/do_people_still_play_dark_deeds/
apparently this still is playable in wc3 reforged, and is on occasion, interesting

ok imma try to stop spamming the #hardware channel, of all places, and also get some work done hehe

[flat glade]

we should probably update the pins to not recommend intel 13th/14th gen for their hardware issues with oodle

[mighty cosmos]

Not just oodle, chip degradation in general with intel 13th/14th gen

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-nothing-to-worry-grace-and-frankie-season1-netflix-gif-16104247

[mighty patrol]

But the microcode guys!

😂

[violet spade]

Microcode doesn’t fix via oxidation for the skus that still suffer from that, though I guess post-2023 ones are prly fine

According to Intel anyways

[mighty patrol]

One can hope

[naive cloak]

Frame Chasers made a video about the microcode update, and said that all they did was to limit the time that CPU receive "deadly" voltage, so voltage spikes will last 0.5sec instead of 1 sec for example, basically that microcode will make CPU last till the end of the warranty time, it will degrade but slower.

[orchid iron]

So you if you want your Intel CPU to last as long as a 7800x3d you need to set your own specific voltage value and make sure it caps out + amp cap

[naive cloak]

at least this is what Frame Chasers said, he showed how to set the CPU to prevent degradation (even before the microcode update), he seems to know what he is doing but I dont know enough to say if he is correct or not 🤷‍♂️

[grave sundial]

Undervolting is safe enough, provided you study the program that you will use for it first - such as Ryzen Master - AND learn the patience to lower the voltage in VERY SMALL increments only and TEST, TEST, TEST.

You can see by the overuse of
AND there, how much patience is required.

But yes, doing it is easy enough and safe, especially these days when you have software in the OS to do it for you, instead of manually shifting between BIOS and testing software.

You also have to ensure that there isn't any automatic setting - either on the motherboard, or in a software / BIOS setting - that increases the voltage all by itself. Apart from that, you can also limit the clock speed of the CPU, if the said CPU has a tendency to boost itself based on temperatures.

Underclocking also requires - refer to first paragraph of my post. 😄

[grave sundial]

https://www.livescience.com/technology/electronics/new-diamond-transistor-is-a-world-1st-paving-the-way-for-high-speed-computing-at-the-highest-temperatures

Cool!

[orchid iron]

Poggers

I wonder when we'll change from electrical components to light components

[grave sundial]

Evil fan companies will attempt to stop the diamond chips from becoming mainstream.

Let the fan blade assassin wars begin.

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHagVHope7k

[naive cloak]

switched CPU cooler fan from Arctic BioniX F120 to Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 PWM now CPU temp is higher and fan is 3x louder, how is it even possible? 🤦‍♂️

seems like Corsair iCue is responsible for higher temps...

[grave sundial]

Two dumb questions:

1. Did you remove the protective film from the heatsink plate before placing it on the CPU?
2. Did you apply the thermal paste properly?

[spice girder]

It's louder, because the Noctua runs up to 3000 RPM instant of the 1800 RPM of the Arctic. If you can limit the fan speed in iCue to 2000 RPM it will bi quiter.

[naive cloak]

I have motherboard with mobile CPU soldered to it, heatsink was preinstalled so I hope they did everything right...

[naive cloak]

I was thinking about it, but I can only do it from BIOS

where I sit its ~47db, 40db is "quite library", idk what kind of library is that, it feels like I am sitting near jet engine

[spice girder]

I personly you Fan Control to control my Computer Fans. You could try that or if you can return those and buy the 2000 RPM or the normal NF-F12 PWM version.

https://getfancontrol.com

[tulip grove]

Does anyone know how to stress test an i7 14700F (being delivered next week) to see if it is defective?

[violet spade]

Don’t worry, the delivery driver will stress test it for you up and down the truck 🙃

[tulip grove]

For sure 😆

[grave sundial]

Apart from that, you can also play table tennis with it and bounce it off the wall to see what breaks first, the silicon or the wall plaster.

Use OCCT to test single and multi-cores on the CPU.

It'll help you determine at what speed and voltage each core fails, or whether or not each core and all the cores together can handle the clock speed and voltage you desire.

However, keep in mind that such testing will take TIME. It isn't something you can complete in ten minutes per core or any such short period.

[naive cloak]

I have Fan Control but it seems like it cant control CPU fan, I guess its because I have "custom" motherboard

[orchid iron]

JaysTwoCents made a good video about it

[naive cloak]

it already has F in model name... 🤷‍♂️

[fallen oasis]

My friend is asking for external hard drive recommendations. Any brands to avoid or to look for?

[tulip grove]

Thanks, I'll check it out!

[tulip grove]

Thanks, I'll add this software to my list.

[orchid iron]

Never had a Toshiba external hard drive fail, and I have multiple 1 T ones since at least 5 years each

Just remind your friend that harddrives are moving parts and try to keep movement when using them at a minimum

[fallen oasis]

I think he's going with a seagate usb 3.0 one.

I said that's gonna be slower than 3.1 or 2, but he insisted!

(it was half the price)

[median marsh]

USB 3.0 has transmission speeds of up to 5 Gbit/s that's 500mb/sec

what kind of harddrive is in there that it would need usb3.1? 😛

[fallen oasis]

That's without overhead. And there are drives with faster read times.

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

i gave 2bit/byte overhead in my calculation

even a seagate exos is only 270mb/sec read

which is already pretty quick for a spinning disk

there are physical limitations of how fast they can read...

[fallen oasis]

Using AJA System Test Light, this SSD recorded read speeds of 3201MB/s and write speeds of 3045MB/s.

That's an external SSD drive.

A USB one at that.

[median marsh]

ah okay, you've talked about external harddisk earlier

so i assumed a spinning disk

[fallen oasis]

I didn't mean an actual HDD.

Sorry!

[median marsh]

okay, then i agree that the USB interface can make a difference

[agile lodge]

intel core ultra global launch happening from IFA

[naive cloak]

🤷‍♂️ waste of silicone...

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/live/yrewv1WaV4w?si=XwGTQLYyzk_U2_HE

[naive cloak]

looks like they took 2 steps backwards...

I am pretty sure they add NPU "AI" to consumer CPUs in order to later use them remotely for their goals without telling the owners of those CPUs, then someone will notice it, lawsuit will be filed, then they will add agreement checkbox.
AI server farms cost too much and ineffective so they will probably use our hardware instead...

also we cant know what else this NPU will do and how it can track us and our data

if I will need NPU I will go and buy special NPU card and install it, I dont need "AI" in my CPU

[grave sundial]

Do these new Core Ultras melt and degrade, too?

[naive cloak]

no, they are too weak for that...

they should have called it Pentium...

"core ultra" lol

[agile lodge]

no same microcode on these than what was on raptor lake

the meteor lake was already new way of intel

[naive cloak]

Intel should stop and rethink it

[grave sundial]

🤔 Instead of melting, maybe they'll freeze solid.

Experimenting with reversals!

💡

[agile lodge]

windus lunar lake is for mobile

laptops and handheld gaming devices

[grave sundial]

what about icy lake?

[naive cloak]

Max Operating Temperature 110 °C

[mighty cosmos]

npu is nothing fancy, it's pretty much a tensor processing unit (TPU), in other words a dumbed down GPU meant for processing single very specific task (tensor math)
There really isn't much more to it

[naive cloak]

I dont need it in my CPU

[grave sundial]

You know, there was a moment where I considered buying one of those NVidia Tensor(s), because they are cheap.

[mighty cosmos]

why not?

[grave sundial]

But, my GPU is chugging out images like crazy, so I reconsidered.

[naive cloak]

it takes space on the die

[agile lodge]

windus the desktop cpu the next one from raptor lakes is arrow lake

[naive cloak]

if I will need it I will buy purpose made NPU card

[grave sundial]

But, icy lake would be more logical. After you melt people's stuff, you need to trying freezing it.

[agile lodge]

meteor lake -> lunar lake

[mighty cosmos]

There really isn't any downside in having an integrated NPU, so being that opposed to having it is quite surprising to me

[naive cloak]

it will be used mainly to spy on the user

same as smartphones

[mighty cosmos]

how?

the NPU chip is incapable of literally anything besides tensor math

[fresh fog]

There's a huge downside. More things like copilot+ that aren't useful being forced on the user

The actual NPU isn't the issue, it's how it's going to be used going forward

[mighty cosmos]

that doesn't have anything to do with NPUs tho
Everything you just mentioned can and does run on both cpus and gpus just fine

[agile lodge]

forced? what can be uninstalled

[naive cloak]

maybe NPU will be able to read video signal and "see" what I am doing

[mighty cosmos]

video signal doesn't touch your cpu

nor npu

[fresh fog]

Those copilot+ computers were only available on chips with NPUs tho correct?

[mighty cosmos]

no, any PC will be able to run recall if that's what you were referring to

it's just artifically limited to "copilot enabled" laptops at the moment for marketing purposes

there isn't a technical reason for it

[fresh fog]

So what's the point in the tech if it isn't doing anything?

[naive cloak]

its doing, just not for the user...

[mighty cosmos]

efficiency, you get up to 40tops for a few watts

[fresh fog]

Efficiency for what though?

[mighty cosmos]

model ineference

[naive cloak]

to save the planet...

[mighty cosmos]

where are these myths coming from, was there some BS YT video that I missed out on?

[grave sundial]

What? The spying stuff? It's been around for ages now, man. Nothing new here.

[fresh fog]

So if it's more efficient for AI, it's going to lead to the development of more AI technologies that are forced on the user that people don't want. Which was my point.

[mighty cosmos]

any potato GPU can be used for the same task at a higher wattage

[fresh fog]

I don't have a problem when it's useful, but a lot of them aren't ATM 😆

[mighty cosmos]

the point of NPUs is mostly in laptops

[naive cloak]

I think it will be added to all CPUs

[mighty cosmos]

instead of conspiracy theories the are actual uses of NPUs, most video editing software now are starting to release with local AI powered editing tools, which is what the NPU can crunch at
On a proper desktop you would use a GPU, but for laptops this is pretty huge

if you are against NPUs then you should also be against tensor cores in GPUs

[grave sundial]

You could also multi-compile/edit videos, right? One through the GPU and the other through the NPU, theoretically?

[fresh fog]

OK, so it's making such things more accessible no?

I highly doubt a regular laptop could run some of it, unless performance needs have dropped drastically since last I checked.

Which in that case, if it's more accessible, it's going to drive development of slop.

Again no problem with the good stuff, a lot of the Google AI stuff is great. I just don't want more shit like recall going on, on every single device

[mighty cosmos]

you would normally use it for acceleration of specific tasks, because it can't do much on its own

[fresh fog]

That would be neat af if it could do that

[fresh fog]

I've seen some of those, it's pretty cool stuff

[grave sundial]

Ok. Go with me on this.
What if you used the GPU to split it and feed most of botht asks to the NPU?

For example, the GPU handles the first 20% of BOTH tasks, while handing off the 80% to the NPU.

Would that be possible, theoretically?

I hypothesise that the GPU would coordinate or something.

[mighty cosmos]

well it would be able to handle the tensor math, execution of models, etc... because that's pretty much the only thing it can do
https://developer.arm.com/documentation/102023/0000/Introduction-to-the-NPU/Description-of-the-neural-processing-unit-

[grave sundial]

Right? That would speed up workflows SO MUCH.

[naive cloak]

maybe its all conspiracy theories but I still cant understand any use for Recall (or whatever that mega spyware is called) for the user...

[fresh fog]

Any use far outweighs it's privacy concerns

I'm glad they walked back a lot of the initial draft, but I can't believe someone thought it was a good idea

[naive cloak]

its like having FBI agent in my room sitting behind me and taking notes basically

at least I could ask him to make me a coffee, Recall cant

[mighty cosmos]

I'm not for recall at all but tbf recall is entirely ran locally with local on device models, so the conspiracy theories around it are also massively overblow and misinformation is everywhere about it
The real security risk is that you have a semantic database of the things its storing on your device, it's now hardware encrypted but still

[grave sundial]

How is recall different from the timelines already in Win 10 and Win 11?

Apart from the AI attached.

[mighty cosmos]

Would allow you to search in plain English stuff you have visited and done where stuff doesn't have to exactly match because its a semantic search, meaning it can find both images and text even if there are no same words, just same contextual meaning

[grave sundial]

So, essentially Timelines with a more 'intelligent' search function?

🤷 I am fine with that.

[mighty cosmos]

I have done similar thing to recall myself already, all recall is, is a fancy vector DB
It runs images and text through OCR, text and image embedding models (this is what runs on the npu) and stores it in a local vector db.
Embedding models generate a high dimensional vector that in its magnitude and direction captures the semantic meaning of the input.

Now when querying it also embeds your input the same way, and it runs a dot product (or cosine similarity depending on the model used) against entries in the vector DB which returns a higher number for more similar entries
Also known as semantic search

that's pretty much all there is to it

but internet as usual has to blow up everything out of proportions

[grave sundial]

I believe this is also known as Task View in Win 11.

Minus the AI search functionality.

[naive cloak]

you dont take current state of the world into account

[mighty cosmos]

you don't need recall for them to spy on you, they could be taking screenshots right now without you knowing and sending them, it's that easy
Recall would only make it more noticeable to the user if anything

[fresh fog]

I mean to be fair, it's not unreasonable to doubt and be outraged when literally every single big player has systematically violated privacy for decades.

It's not hard to see how "it stores everything you do" could be seen as, or turned into something nefarious.

[naive cloak]

yes, but with recall we agree to it

[fresh fog]

I mean those were never my concerns as such, my concerns were with third parties having open season

[naive cloak]

also I have no idea why I need recall...

[grave sundial]

Well, I certainly do hope they include a way to block any sharing of data online from Recall, or that it is possible through regedit or win firewall, if they really want to force it on people.

[mighty cosmos]

it's far more likely for this to be exploited by malware than MS if I'm being honest

[grave sundial]

Other than that, I don't see it as much of a problem unless you are working with some really sensitive data, or find yourself in a position of risk/danger.

[mighty cosmos]

since it was announced it was said it's something you can opt in for

[grave sundial]

Opt in for, as in the data sharing online part? Or the entire thing?

For example, I want to use Recall, but not allow MS to look at my stuff 'officially'.

That kind of opt in?

[naive cloak]

for code I have github, for sites I have bookmarks, chrome stores my password etc.

[mighty cosmos]

entire thing, there is no data sharing agreement
It's supposed to be 100% local

[grave sundial]

Ah, that's fine then.

[naive cloak]

it will waste disk space?

[grave sundial]

Has it been tested whether or not recall can access bitlocker / chrome password dbs?

For example, simply clicking on 'open passwords' - and that being stored in a timeline - is different from - copied Chrome using a password from its db list.

[mighty cosmos]

they somehow managed to compress the crap out of it, from what I saw online the images are somehow the size of a few kb, kinda wanna know what compression they are using

[mighty cosmos]

github is also owned by microsoft

[grave sundial]

THAT to me is the biggest issue, really. These corpos keep all the cool tech, like the really good compression algos from us.

[naive cloak]

they probably use "cloud compression"

[grave sundial]

I want 99.9999% compression alien tech.

✊

[mighty cosmos]

1 thing internet does best is making a bigger deal out of something than it is and assigning it magical properties

[grave sundial]

snort

you mean - humanity.

We've been doing that for a LONG time.

Like, since our amoeba days.

[mighty cosmos]

internet kinda amplifies it 😅

[grave sundial]

I am sure if you ask our dead amoebic ancestors, they'll tell us all about how daddy amoeba was liquified because it had bad thoughts.

[median marsh]

media trained those people

like all the overexaggerating is part of media for YEARS

they raised those people, and now they can express their own version of it 😄

[naive cloak]

for some people the working of the media is just a proof for a lot of "conspiracy theories"

[agile lodge]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/khadas-lists-modular-intel-lunar-lake-ai-mini-pc-development-kit-for-dollar1199

[final mortar]

I don't think I'll ever build another Intel platform at this point

I have a consistent CPU lock up (occasionally showing clock watchdog timeout bug check) while building HLODs after about 20m, with thermals and voltages showing no issues at all, and have spent the last few weeks diagnosing it and trying different BIOS settings to work around it. This is a 12900K. The only mitigation that worked was increasing vcore, I set it to 1.35v, and was able to complete the HLOD build, but thermals were high, and it was causing other stability issues (case lighting flickering off). Wasn't a long term solution. I decided that my CPU is just defective, but it's well past an RMA-- I've been using this CPU for about 2 years. So I figured I would upgrade to 14900K and keep the 12900K as a backup.

Somehow I missed the fact that 13/14g are EVEN WORSE for stability.

Intel has microcode 0x129 that hopefully will prevent this new CPU from turning into a rock, but if you dig in online, almost all of the issues reported are coming from game developers........

Epic, Oodle, and a bunch of other gamedev related outfits are coming forward with major stability problems.

Specifically around Unreal Engine. Fan-fucking-tastic

I have this platform already, and it still has at least 3 or 4 more years in it before I want to replace it, so I'm stuck on Intel, but the next one will be AMD. Never again.

[median marsh]

never say never

[final mortar]

well I think we can all hope they get their shit together

[median marsh]

i absolutely hate how Intel handled that issue, but similar things could happen to any other company if it even happened to Intel

they (imho) really damaged their image for reliable CPUs (and as a whole company for how it got handled)

[final mortar]

Wendell from level1techs thinks there might be a bigger problem and after spending so long trying to fix my 12900k (which isn't even involved in this new issue), I'm inclined to agree

he mentioned that there are cpus that passed all tests when installed that a year later no longer pass those same tests, these things are literally turning back into rocks

that's the most frustrating part, because this shiny new 14900k sitting on my desk might be perfectly fine at first

the mobo manufacturers are NOT helping by shipping unlimited PL1/2 by default

I'm sure Intel can be blamed there, after all the whole promise was that these cpus would work like gpus: they'd just auto throttle when they got hot, so it's fine and safe to let them try to use their thermal headroom

[final mortar]

at least this does actually fix the issue: HLOD build completed without issue, and even a good 5 degrees cooler on max temps so that's nice

[warm rose]

Any idea what's wrong? My pc has been having these kinds of glitches unrelated to the engine for a while. It's been driving me insane

But unreal seems to supercharge it.

[warm rose]

https://tenor.com/view/bv0j-help-rolimons-mandela-catalog-cat-meme-gif-24028859

[mental timber]

https://tenor.com/bOpKe.gif

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/badger-camp-ariele-sieling-i-don't-want-to-i-don't-wanna-badger-gif-3861510219714009103

[agile lodge]

https://www.khadas.com/maker

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yzimFlRJbAM

Here is how Intel plans to bring their stuff together...heading to a future of only E cores

https://tenor.com/view/marikiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22138504

[naive cloak]

looks like they paid for good marketing so everything will be fine...

[wooden linden]

I'm planning to buy a notebook to be able to work on Unreal projects while travelling. I'm thinking of getting one with 16GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, Intel Core i7 and ideally an RTX4070. Most of notebooks with those specs that are available come as gaming notebooks though, equipped with fancy LEDs and whatnot, and sometimes very happy. That's not exactly what I'm looking for.
Any recommendations? What would be more beneficial – increasing to 32 GB RAM, or increasing the SSD to 2 TB? Would a slightly older RTX, such as a 4060 do as well? I don't want to spend much more than 2k EUR/USD

[orchid iron]

all of the laptops with the specs you want are marketed as "gaming", now way around it

Sdd size don't matter as much since you'll be relying on external ssds more often, so make sure to have usb ports that are good

Ram is always important, and the main bottle neck from what you are describing

In laptops going small is usually better since laptop form factor increases heat so much, so a 4060 Ti with 16gb of vram if you can but I doubt that exisits outside of dyi

[wooden linden]

Thanks! Yeah you're right maybe I should go for more RAM instead and plan for an external SSD – or check if the internal SSD can be extended.
I don't mind a bit of DIY, I've built all PCs in my life myself, however I've never built a custom laptop. Maybe I should check that... Though I believe it mostly turned out more expensive 😉

[orchid iron]

that's for fancy stuff, if you look for more price to performance components it ends up being cheaper due to no labour costs

[marsh mauve]

Guys I have a Ryzen 9 5900x and 32gb 2666 ddr4, worth going to ddr5?

[orchid iron]

nope, unless you need the massive capacity

or the tiny byte of fake ECC functionality (pun intended)

[fallen oasis]

2666 is shitty speed ram, though.

[grave sundial]

Should've been 6666, I agree.

[marsh mauve]

Will upgrade the ram to 64 3200 then

[orchid iron]

DDR4-2666 would have around 2.6 MT/s and a ddr5 from 4-8 MT/s
but prices are usually around double from ddr4 to ddr5 for same capacity, in the end it mostly depend what you'll do with the ram and if speed really matters

most servers for example use ddr4 due to capacity being more important

[broken minnow]

Hi guys, I want to build a new pc to replace the old one i'm currently using. I want to know if unreal will benefit more from a powerfull cpu or gpu.
For example a build with rtx 4090 and i9 14900k will be better than an 4080 s and i9 14900ks ? (Planning to do 128gb ram)

[naive cloak]

Intel 13/14gen CPUs are problematic/defective, Unreal will benefit from both, Nvidia will release 5000 series GPUs soon afaik

[broken minnow]

Understandable that unreal benefits from both, however I don't know on which should go more money. As for the 5000 series, I've read somewhere those will launch somewhere in january february, but unfortunately I need the pc now.

Also as you said 13/14 are problematic, do you have any recommendations for a cpu?

[fresh fog]

Ryzen series are always solid, (there is a minor bug regarding them where menus freeze for a couple of seconds, but I haven't experienced this personally on either of my ryzen machines)

[broken minnow]

I've never been a fan of amd processors, I always thought intel is more powerfull even though runs hotter.
That being said, will a 7950x / x3d be better for unreal than 14900k / ks? (If that is the amd equivalent)

[fresh fog]

Intel isn't more powerful. Historically, intel tend to be ever so slightly better in single threaded workflow, and ryzen better in multithreadrd workflows.

Realistically however, it doesn't translate to much, if anything

Nowadays with both being strong, it comes down to a matter of price.

However since the 13th and 14th gen intels are largely defective chips, I'd pick ryzen for that alone

Just my 2c

[naive cloak]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/unreal-engine-13th-gen-intel-core-vs-amd-ryzen-7000-2377/

[broken minnow]

If I am to go the amd route, will it be better to pair it with an amd gpu as well, or it doesn't matter if it is nvidia or amd

[naive cloak]

idk if it will matter, or if it will be noticeable, but afaik AMD dont have 4090 equivalent

[fresh fog]

If you're going top of the line with CPU, go top of the line with the GPU too.

AMD cards can be good, but not for top of the range. It's more if you want high VRAM on a budget. There's also certain things that do better with nvidia cards.

[devout pendant]

ultra wide monitors. Are you forced to use a resolution that fills up the entire screen or can you play games at a lower res because very few games are compatible with ultra wide fov?

[broken minnow]

Sorry for late response, busy at work. Thanks for all your help guys

[grave sundial]

It depends on the game, really. There's no way to classify them.

When I play Wo Long, Starfield, and other 'major' titles, they come with the high-res support, no problem.

If I play something indie, it MIGHT not have the ultrawide support, or even if it does, there'll be black bounding boxes on the sides.

[naive cloak]

just buy 2 normal monitors

I prefer 16:10 monitors

[orchid iron]

out of curiosity, how much ram will you go for?

[naive cloak]

(Planning to do 128gb ram)

[delicate crystal]

I'f youre' doing any board with DDR5 ram, it's very hard to find any that support more then 128GB

[orchid iron]

then you could go for the 9000 series ryzen for the higher memory support

[naive cloak]

for 9000 series I think its better to wait for X870 and X870E motherboards

[orchid iron]

doesn't some current motherboards supports up to 192 gb?

[delicate crystal]

ah nice. Last time i looked there was like 8 or so

[delicate crystal]

ya I think that's the limit unless your'e doing server boards

[orchid iron]

Okay, so that means current motherboards don't bottle neck the Max memory of the 9950x

[fresh fog]

There's a couple on there that support 256GB, that aren't server boards as far as I could see. Availability was limited tho

[orchid iron]

Potential 256 GB memory support for future series I see

[orchid iron]

Do they have more than 4 ram slots?

[fresh fog]

no

[orchid iron]

Oh so when we'll get 64 GB of ram per ram stick these boards will already be out, that's cool

[barren goblet]

We have them, but the other limiting factor is your OS

[delicate crystal]

Is t it windows 11 thst removes the 128 limit

[barren goblet]

Windows pro and enterprise allows up to 2TB

otherwise you stuck at 128

[median marsh]

lovely customer relationship

[orchid iron]

Where to get plz

[barren goblet]

64gb ram sticks?

[orchid iron]

Ye

[barren goblet]

Plenty of places but I’m not sure why you would need that much in a stick if your not building a server

[orchid iron]

I couldn't find them in google search, it thinks I mean 2x32gb or 4x16gb

[barren goblet]

ServerSupply is what was coming up for me

[orchid iron]

That's a website?

[barren goblet]

Indeed

[orchid iron]

I'll check it out thanks

[barren goblet]

Yeah for example: https://www.serversupply.com/MEMORY/PC5-44800/64GB/SAMSUNG/M321R8GA0PB0-CWMCJ_392617.htm?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD_Zebp4dNefTJO399Usuf95XbVrM&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgfe-zoS5iAMVWE7_AR2pIy6MEAQYASABEgIq-PD_BwE

[orchid iron]

Such a beauty

[loud notch]

I've just thought of something: UE supports building to Linux ARM; is building to Windows ARM on the roadmap? From what I've seen Windows ARM struggles due to x86 conversion/emulation but excels in power efficiency, I'm wondering if games in UE were natively built to WinARM how that would compare to Winx86. Comparing CPU performance because integrated vs. dedicated GPUs isn't dependent on the CPU architecture necessarily

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKRmYW1D0S0&pp=ygUVbGV2ZWwgMSB0ZWNoIGFybSBoYXJt

[orchid iron]

"but excels in power efficiency" no not really

"if games in UE were natively built to WinARM" yeah that would make them run great, we just need the software side of things to also be more stable, not on android or Mac...But windows

[loud notch]

from what I've seen (LTT's video some time back) it's a difference between days vs. weeks of battery, granted that's like for word, not UE development.

I guess the software can be more than just emulation issues, having to convert typical drivers to ARM and now deal with Qualcomm CPU and GPU drivers. Frankly the way I see it game development could be active on Mac ARM, if apple just bothered to allow me to make stuff without a $1k mac so I guess Android and desktop Linux are what we got for UE in ARM mostly

[median marsh]

we dont need another buggy platform -_-

[orchid iron]

ah yes LTT advice, very "good" advice

in any case, as is most AAA games nowadays, on launch it is a buggy mess and years later it'll live with its expectation achieved...From its launch

[loud notch]

(yeah I know, power efficiency was like the one thing that actually was a net positive for windows ARM in the video)

I think if WinARM is to take off it needs softwre devs to back it, if not UE then maybe Godot or Unity, put games and advanced 3D application into its native software ecosystem, then it would be a more fair comparison vs. x86

[orchid iron]

you could say the same for linux funny enough

[loud notch]

and I see in AMD and Nvidia drivers constant updates targeting specifically games, so in theory software does drive improvements in hardware and driver support

[loud notch]

yes though Proton has been a saving grace for Linux x86 (though from recent testing native Linux in UE games isn't too bad for Vulkan and Lumen)

[orchid iron]

wanna know the real truth? The main reason for Arm success, is because it isn't based on 1990 code, thus having a more modern base changes things massively, look at the level 1 tech video I sent to understand more about it

[loud notch]

true, and I know the more reduced instruction set in ARM is often attributed to its success as well

[orchid iron]

now game development for RISC-V, now that's based

[loud notch]

but I still see at least on consumer platforms x86 still dominant for more advanced workloads. Maybe in server ARM dominates but workstations or PCs apart from apple, still largely x86

[loud notch]

Let's see UE run natively on Free/OpenBSD or something first lol

[orchid iron]

yeah, servers are crazy about power efficiency so they'll actually put in the effort to make the code for them polished unlike the spy ware company

[fallen oasis]

Sounds kinda riscy.

[median marsh]

wasn't the PS3 risc-v?

apparently also xbox360/gamecube and wii

not sure if it was risc-v tho, or just "normal" risc?! 🤷

[orchid iron]

while amd is cooking an arm chip for 2026, nvidia also has quite a bunch of experience with the nintendo switch, so once things are more polished on windows, both of them can just clap qualcomm

[median marsh]

and windows

[orchid iron]

windows? why windows? what are they building the chips for then? Desktop linux?

[median marsh]

consoles, automotive, standalone devices

but not for your average home desktop pc

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah, that sounds cool, although I'm pretty sure RISC V will take that over (besides consoles) due to not needing to pay arm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ihtAijebU-M

Guys, your computer's parts have a voice

[median marsh]

that's what you get for putting windows in your cases

and windows on your harddisk

[pallid crypt]

Hey everyone, I'm building a PC for game development and this is what I came up with. My total budget is 5000USD and it's around 4800USD already. I would like to know if there are any issues with this setup:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1quFKAuFvF5vdSUXgNa-H0L5R0Dqf8HarOhDkqKph064/edit?usp=sharing

[orchid iron]

the case seems kinda small for a 4090 ngl, are you sure it fits?

Same with the AIO, are you sure a 360 can fit in there?

Personal opinion but I'd reduce the 4090 to a 4080 Super or a 7900 XTX to be able to afford more storage space and a bigger case to put those SSDs and HDDs

Because if you have this big of a budget, it feels kinda limiting having only 4T of space, unless you already have a bunch laying around

[pallid crypt]

Good points! I'm not sure about the size of the case. Do you recommend any particular model or anything that I should look for? I plan to look for ready builds with same GPU so maybe that can give me some ideas

Space is not an issue I believe I can introduce space in time

[orchid iron]

my personal favorite the thermaltake CTE C750

you'll have a harder time finding things that don't fit in there

[pallid crypt]

Thank you!

[violet spade]

Oh good, Nvidia will now have a monopoly on high end GPUs

So that shitty Jensen can charge $5000 for the 5090

[grave sundial]

I think NVidia has already had the monopoly for quite some time, now.

Aren't their cards used widely in render farms and crypto warehouses?

[violet spade]

The point is AMD officially pulled out of that high end market so now Nvidia can charge whatever they please without any regard for competing prices (because there are none)

[grave sundial]

Speaking of 5090, do we know what NVidia's next GPU is?

https://wccftech.com/loongson-upcoming-9a2000-graphics-card-on-par-nvidia-rtx-2080/

Let's hope these guys can eventually compete with NVidia.

Even though their sales will be confined to eastern countries, mostly.

[naive cloak]

hardware may be on par with 2080 but then they will have to make drivers for it 😰

[grave sundial]

Make. Cough Reverse engineer, cough steal, cough hack... Cough Yes, definitely make. 😛

[tulip grove]

Does anyone know if installing Windows 10 on a new system with an Intel i7 14700F or do I need to use Windows 11 to properly use all cores, etc.? Thanks!

[devout pendant]

do I need to change my phone just because motorola has stopped manufacturing it and providing android updates?

[mellow vessel]

android updates? no
security patches? maybe

[grave sundial]

Look up your phone's model number, brand name, and OS version. You can google ROM(s) for that particular phone, brand name, and OS.

Find the ROM that gives you the latest Android security updates and OS and install it.

So long as your phone was manufactured somewhere in the last ten years, the chances of finding an updated OS and security patches for it, in the form of a ROM, are very high.

HOWEVER, your phone will perform slightly slower on the latest OS, especially if it is on the older side of those ten years.

[violet spade]

CD-ROM?

[grave sundial]

PP_ROM.

[orchid iron]

should be fine

[orchid iron]

I got lineage OS on my 10 year old phone, it somehow performs better than stock, but also the stock is samsung so it doesn't surprise me much

[grave sundial]

Oh yes, Samsung is famous for being bloated, although not as much - or at least not as annoying as some of those Chinese brands.

OnePlus, on the other hand, is absolute gold.

Reliable hardware, clean software.

[orchid iron]

I went from android 5 to 10 from a week of figuring out why it didn't work

something I learned the hard way is when using much older phone, it requires to also use older software versions to install the iso

[grave sundial]

I modded a couple of old phones that required me to buy special USB cables - like male to male and female to female.

Not to mention learning to use software that was entirely in Chinese. 🤣

[fallen oasis]

Samsung isn't so bad, but I do wish I could get rid of its apps.

I do use a couple of them, though.

[median marsh]

i'm still using a 12years old samsung 😄

somehow got used to it, and it does its job

tho i don't use the phone much at all

[devout pendant]

I tried with a tablet with 3GB of RAM. Doing a forced system upgrade made the tablet perform oddly, the touch screen became all bugged

[grave sundial]

Right. You have to research your tablet and a ROM's compatibility with it before you install it. I'd recommend perusing the XDA ROM archives for this. There are many reviews and forum threads about each ROM, so you can research before installing one.

It's a pretty involved process, depending on how old your device is.

And even then, the latest OSes will perform slowly on the oldest hardware (in a ten year period); you can't avoid that, sadly.

On the plus side, they'll be bloat-free and secure. 😄

See if a Legion ROM is available for your tablet. Those tend to be VERY good.

[mellow vessel]

software secure. if there is a hardware vulnerability - no rescue

[grave sundial]

In general, good ROMs will ensure that those vulnerabilities are closed off on old devices.

[devout pendant]

my phone is Moto G5 with 6GB of RAM and 128GB storage.

[grave sundial]

It might gimp the functionality of the device somewhat, but you are trying to upgrade an OLD device... so.

[orchid iron]

dang bro, phones have 6 gb of ram?

and 128 gb of storage wtf, that's basically a pc

[devout pendant]

some "gamer phones" have 12GB

[grave sundial]

That's less, by these days' standards.

[orchid iron]

falls off chair

[grave sundial]

You should be able to install a Lineage ROM for it.

Released in 2020, it ought to handle it well.

[median marsh]

thankful to those devices memory/storage got cheaper :>

since they really boosted mass production

[grave sundial]

https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_12r-12727.php - 16GB RAM, 256GB storage variant here. 😄

@devout pendant Lineage has made a ROM for your device.

[orchid iron]

people comaining about their laptops, meanwhile me, just gonna plug in a screen, keyboard and mouse on this phone and install linux on it to do production workloads

[grave sundial]

You can, totally. You might encounter problems with some apps that might not run on the mobile architecture.

Otherwise, yeah, you can run your entire career off a mobile phone. 😄

[orchid iron]

I trust in ARM linux much more than arm windows

[mellow vessel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_DeX

[grave sundial]

If you are going to use your phone that way, remember to stick some thermal pads under it and a metal plate to serve as a heatsink.

You get those on Amazon and other electronic store sites these days.

[orchid iron]

that's the stuff

[grave sundial]

They are made for heavy-gaming needs, but you should use it for desktop replacements, too. 🙂

[orchid iron]

I'll put an NH-D15 G2 on it

[grave sundial]

Yeah, you could. It'd require a bit of jury-rigging, but yes.

You'd invert the NH-D15, such that the heatsink plate (the tiny square) is pointed UPWARDS.

Keep the phone on top of it.

Adjust with whatever is necessary for stability and you're off. 😄

[orchid iron]

the G2 has a massive plate

BEEG THICC

[grave sundial]

You'd still need a bit of stability assurance. There'll be vibrations, after all.

Actually, a thermal pad or two will take care of that.

🤔

[orchid iron]

most scuffed laptop people will see in a train, but hey, that's my choice xD

[grave sundial]

Hehe. You're 'laptop' will be more powerful than most of the budget laptops on that train. 😄

[orchid iron]

fear my Noctua NH-D15 G2!

[devout pendant]

I was considering buying another. Google Pixel maybe? Because I don't see a reason to become another "iphone fan"

[violet spade]

Pixels are trash, or at least they were 1 year ago

But if you want to stand on principle I guess you can get whatever

[grave sundial]

I recommend OnePlus.

They - especially a previous generation - are cheap, reliable, and usually bloat-free.

[mighty cosmos]

Absolutely love Xiaomi phones, been using them since 2018

[grave sundial]

They have some good phones in their line-up, these days, yes.

I think my first smartphone was a Xiaomi - Mi Max 1.

[orchid iron]

I bought a poco 1-2 year ago, and it was bloated with ads, I should of looked for a xiaomi with a good custom rom at the time, gotta wait until a dev wants to do one for it now

[mighty cosmos]

I have never had ads on Xiaomi phones on EU models
So far I had my hands on
Redmi note 5 pro
Redmi note 8 pro
Poco can't remember the exact name
Xiaomi 11t
Xiaomi 12t pro
Xiaomi 14 Ultra (the one I'm using now, other ones are being used by family members)

[grave sundial]

Yes, the ads and bloatware are generally seen more on the cheaper end of these smartphone lines.

The good ones are generally bloat free and ad free.

[mighty cosmos]

yeah I haven't really used any of their lower end phones

[orchid iron]

yeah they increase their margins on lower end models clearly, I got Poco M5 and I can guarantee there are, and they are very annoying, just wanna browse my files and I see dating ads and tik tok stuff

[mellow vessel]

and here I am, with my Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact. just hit 6 years in August. but the lack of RAM and main storage is problematic. trying to change but only Sony covers all the boxes again and their phones aren't the cheapest :V

[fresh fog]

Had an Xperia once, solid phone. Though I've never been able to leave Samsung ones for long. Every time I have, I've been bitten.

Got locked into an Oppo Find X5 Lite. Worst phone I've ever had.

[frank glade]

that was my phone! I had it only for like 3 years though, it lost basically all gps signal and started to have random resets and battery drains. great phone though, perfect size

[fallen oasis]

It had all these things wrong with it... but it was a great phone. Its physical dimensions were the only positive thing I could say about it.