hardware

[median marsh]

or did changing the bios setting disable those cards?

[mortal flame]

That's a good question

It might have. I'm not seeing any wifi stuff anymore

at least I think

I use the wifi card so rarely that I honestly don't know how to check

I don't see it in Network Connections

Probably Device Manager would be where to look, huh?

Yeah, Elgato Game Capture says no capture device found

[violet spade]

Hah, El Gato = The Cat no?

[naive cloak]

is it possible that AMD is paying tech youtubers to make it look like all Intel CPUs are defective?

[fallen oasis]

Anything is possible.

[median marsh]

it's not only youtubers which claim that tho

i wouldn't get an intel at the moment primary because of the energy consumption

AMD seems to be way more efficient

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/zen-5-speculation-epyc-turin-and-strix-point-granite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/page-643#post-41255407

200W on AMD for the same performance as intel which takes 400W

[violet spade]

Idk. GN had level 1 tech on their show and they’re usually pretty reputable in terms of impartiality if nothing else

[naive cloak]

they probably dont lie about CPU problems but they may just take it out of proportion to make it seem like all CPUs are defective

I am 99% sure that AMD is bribing top tech youtubers to make them advertise AMD without telling people that they got paid to do so and instead make it look like they just like AMD all of a sudden...

[mighty cosmos]

I've seen way too many reports of intel cpus causing problems to considering it overblown

It's not a secret that intel has been dumping way too much power into their CPUs to catch up to amd

Which is probably why they are so unstable

[grave sundial]

Undervolting them slightly seems to stabilise them, no?

[naive cloak]

yes but what is the point? also why I have to pay 700$ and then deal with all that?

[grave sundial]

My understanding is that you don't lose much performance by undervolting, so if you absolutely need all that performance, then sure. But yeah, for 90% users, AMD is probably the better way to go.

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah it seems to help

[wind egret]

Undervolting doesn't lose performance, reduces heat and power consumption, but risks stability. It also reduces wear, at least marginally.
It's sort of the counterpart to overclocking. Now that Intel/AMD have innate overclocking firmware ('boost'), undervolting is most of what you have left to improve on.

[gaunt musk]

I had a custom-built mobile dev workstation built on an MSI chassis, and ran with undervolting for several years. It took a couple weeks of tweaking (calendar elapsed time -- not that many hours constant work!) to optimize between clock speed and voltage to get max performance within acceptable temps. It was rock-solid stable once I got it dialed in, though. The main thing I'd say about undervolting is that you have to be willing to invest the effort up front to carefully tune your machine, because there isn't a single recipe that will work for every unit of the same model, let alone across different models and brands and builds. And the settings have to match your usage of the machine. Gaming != Compiling != Cinenatic Rendering != Level Design != Code Editing .... et cetera.

A good CPU and GPU pasting is critical, in my experience, no matter if you're overclocking or not, undervolting or not. I've just moved to a new Dell Precision 7780 from a Dell Precision 7740, and this time the stock paste seems to be of much higher quality. I had to repaste my 7740 after it came back from Dell repair depot because performance had plummeted. The repaste brought it right back to normal. The stock paste job on the 7740 was "okay" but not as good as it was after I repasted. On the 7780, I am able to push all the cores most of the way to max clock speed. It's close enough to max that I've decided the small margin I could gain isn't worth the disruption and risk of repasting.

(Dell is really great about warranty coverage, btw -- you don't void the warranty by opening the chassis. They just won't cover things they didn't sell you, which is IMO quite reasonable.)

[dense granite]

Hello there! i am planning to build a workstation/ gaming pc, I have a dilemma between 7900X and 7950x, if i choose 7900x i can go for a much better gpu than 4070 super, so is they any major difference of performance in unreal between these two processors?

[naive cloak]

Ryzen 9 7940HS has better iGPU than 7945HX?

so basically they removed half of the cores to add AI and better iGPU? but they switched to 4nm so they could add more cores probably at least 12 cores 🤔

[plush turret]

this an OK drive? https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Blue-Internal-Drive/dp/B0CMQ8XBBR/

just for use for media

videos and such

[naive cloak]

I think rpm is low...

[plush turret]

Yeah but the price aint bad

And its only going to play 1-2 instances of a VLC equivalent media player

The program will be on an SSD, this is just a mass storage

[naive cloak]

is it possible that in the future you will want to use this HDD for something else?

[plush turret]

Not likely

I have a 4TB SSD that runs everything else, backed up by a 1tb secondary ssd, and 4tb hdd for older games that dont need an ssd.

With a 12700k i7, 3060 12gb gpu to power it

[loud flame]

So... my 3070ti card dies, somehow. I would like to do an upgrade while I'm at it, thinking getting either RX 7800 XT or RTX 4070. While I never had Radeon cards in context of Unreal development, I'd like to ask people here if there are any issue or drawback in using Radeon cards compared to NVIDIA for Unreal development since 7800 XT is quite cheaper where I live right now. Any suggestion and pointer is appreciated, much thanks in advance!

[plush turret]

8 or 16gb 4070

[loud flame]

Thanks! Is it so much faster in Unreal compared to Radeon's?

[plush turret]

idk, i have the 3060 12gb and its noice

[fresh fog]

There isn't much drawback. You'll obviously have worse performance in things that like CUDA, or for things like training LLM's

Though for general use both are good. I'd personally go with the cheaper VRAM

[loud flame]

Thanks, I don't work with CUDA or training LLM atm.

Also, may I ask why go with the cheaper VRAM? Wasn't VRAM is great especially if you have big scenes in UE?

[fresh fog]

Yes, VRAM is super important. That's why you go for the cheapest option that gets you the most :P

[loud flame]

Ahah I now understand!

Thank you

[fresh fog]

Just my 2 cents. I've never had any issues working with AMD cards on unreal. Have had NVidia driver issues though

Though AFAIK both are pretty solid cards

[loud flame]

Awesome!

[violet spade]

Bus speed is also important but yeah, whatever you can afford

[naive cloak]

there is also 4070 Super 😄 etc.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-super-series-content-creation-review/

what is your budget for GPU?

will it kill them to name it 4071, 72 etc? instead of Super TI OC?

btw you should probably wait because they say that 5000 series is coming soon so maybe 4000 series will become cheaper 🤷‍♂️

[plush turret]

[naive cloak]

and they will probably go full Intel and just "refresh" the 4000 cards to make them finally reach 1000W 🤗

[wind egret]

I want to see them cool 1000W with only 3 ~120mm fans

[median marsh]

uhm no?

they change to blackwell architecture

[naive cloak]

no 1000W cards then? 😔

[plush turret]

why do you want to have a kw+ pc?

[fervent jolt]

It would help reduce my gas heating bill through winter

[frank glade]

what about summer?

[plush turret]

your just fcked then

[naive cloak]

I want 1KW GPU so people will start installing fire extinguishing systems into their PC cases and I will laugh at them 🙂

[median marsh]

why laugh at them?

[mellow galleon]

low rpm is fine if you not going to heavily use it, for large media storages or viewing videos it is good

[plush turret]

system im using: https://jellyfin.org/

[gaunt carbon]

Hi,
Any tips for a laptop that can run UE5 with a slim chance of bluescreening and low compile times. Im not using any external programs and I'm not using VS to compile
(No msi)
Budget up to 2200 Eur

Im running blueprint only projects, with Github and (not very effecient architecture) also low poly graphics

[mellow galleon]

cpu 6 cores or better
ram 32/64gb or better
nvidia graphics gtx 1650 or rtx anything
a place for ssd and hdd (500gb ssd + 2tb hdd is perfect imo, if you have hdd in optibay or extra)

2 of 3 of laptops i had asus (even the one i currently use for ue)

[gaunt carbon]

Ty

Asus has great options and its not even above 1.5k eur

Is Asus reliable or does its low price come with a cost of durability?

Last time I bought a laptop for work was during the gtx 1080 era so maybe stuff just got cheaper

[mellow galleon]

it depends how you travel / handle laptop. i used mine very extensively during university years and it is still in nearly perfect shape (aside from fan that got quite noisy after so long)

[gaunt carbon]

Thats the laptop you've been using for 14 yrs?

[mellow galleon]

ye

[gaunt carbon]

Damn

Okay im sold

[mellow galleon]

the bigger screen the better (well weight higher obv 😄 )

if there is a 16gb model and a free slot - you can right away get an extra 16gb ram module to bump to 32

well, it is up to you. they all are about 1.5-2k range from what i see right now on newegg

[gaunt carbon]

ASUS TUF A15 FA507NV-LP110W

This only needs a 16gb module and it fits all reqs I think for obly 1k

[naive cloak]

they did what I asked Nvidia to do and added 1 to the model number 😄

[violet spade]

And what’s the chance of the chips failing? Cause rn 13th and 14th gens are f-ed

[dim scroll]

م

[plush turret]

whats the difference here

[median marsh]

the price

and the model number

and therefor some of the specs most likely

[grave sundial]

The AAZ model has a 256MB cache. The AZZ model has a 128MB cache.

https://www.westerndigital.com/en-ie/products/internal-drives/wd-blue-desktop-sata-hdd?sku=WD80EAZZ - You can switch between the two caches on this page.

[grave sundial]

The one... the one... THE ONE spec.

[mighty patrol]

But the one with more cache is on sale 😛

[grave sundial]

They're probably dumping stock.

We've got some cheap SSDs and HDDs here, too. It's the big switch to nvmes.

Speaking of, the 8TB nvmes have become cheaper.

Sabrent Rocket's dropped by 40% at least, the Q version specifically.

---

🤔 Meanwhile, the 4090 gpus have become more expensive here.

The 4060ti I am going to buy has become ever-so-slightly cheaper.

[mighty patrol]

Havn't looked at pc parts here probably bad lol

[orchid iron]

From what Intel was forced to say, they had to acknowledge some 13th gen had manufacturing issues in 2023 and both had improper voltage

Clearly a case of user failure since they didn't undervolt their CPU to lose over 10% perf when they got it out of the box

(Also rumours by servers (intel clients) saying the memory controller for dual slots only goes up 4000 mhrz, beyond that they are having issues )

[violet spade]

The undervolting’s only half the story since they’re trying hard to avoid a full recall because of the oxidation issue

https://youtu.be/OVdmK1UGzGs?si=KLE_NboUuSGfAl-Y

[orchid iron]

yeah, can't wait to see what more investigation will lead to

oddly enough the intel fan boys seem to be quite during this time

[naive cloak]

Intel fan boys cry in E-core...

[violet spade]

I’m just glad I got a 12th gen when I upgraded

[orchid iron]

Dodged a big bullet, now when you upgrade you can potentially get CPU with only P-Cores for massive PP energy

[fallen oasis]

Or just get amd

[naive cloak]

when Intel released the "big little" architecture I knew they are going down... it was the first warning

also I understood that my days as Intel fanboy are numbered 😢

[violet spade]

I lost my trust in them shortly before Ryzen 5 or w/e came out

I’m curious why Intel went for E-cores and now they’re like “you know what tho, let’s scrap it”

[fallen oasis]

At least they haven't made sand cpus for the last 3 generations.

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-american-sitcom-series-joey-tribbiani-matt-le-blanc-gif-17796926

[orchid iron]

E-cores on XEON is pretty good

[opaque pond]

ehh 13th and 14th gen debatable

especially with the stability issues

[fallen oasis]

About Intel or AMD cpus?

I was referring to the Intel ones being bad.

[opaque pond]

yeah intel

its disasterous to sell cpus that degrade from overvoltage/overfreq/above what it can handle in power

like there was a screenshot of an intel cpu sending 60W 1.53V into a single core under full load

thats nuts

[fallen oasis]

That's why I'm saying you should buy AMD!

[opaque pond]

so 7000/9000 series?

[fallen oasis]

💯

[wind egret]

Even the 9 ghz record was at only 1.36V. (We won't mention the liquid helium.)

[orchid iron]

wild how world records are done undervolting now xD

[opaque pond]

ehh i wouldnt

used 3000/5000 or used intel 10/11/12th gen

esp 3000 for example 3700x/3800x/3900x can be found used for dirt prices

[fallen oasis]

Depends if you have money to burn. 🙂

[naive cloak]

I wonder if its possible that Asus BTF boards will have some issues because of the high voltage that is required to power the GPU that will now pass thru the board instead of separate cables 🤔

[orchid iron]

The used market is always a gamble, you never know what you'll get

[frank glade]

Like a box of chocolates

[grave sundial]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/unreal-engine-supervisor-blasts-50-failure-rate-with-intel-chips-praises-amds-chips-as-company-switches-to-ryzen-9-9950x

Well, damn.

[median marsh]

The report represents yet another piece of unwelcome news for Intel, which announced yesterday that it had found the root cause of the issues and will issue a microcode mitigation in mid-August. (This isn't a 'fix' for CPUs experiencing the issue — impacted processors are irreversibly damaged and must be replaced.)
huh? i thought the point of a microcode update is to FIX the issue

that sounds more like that's an actual hardware fault which even a microcode update cant "fix"

However, the microcode patch to address the problem isn’t expected to arrive until mid-August, so we’re unsure if this will truly stop the crashes. Nevertheless, businesses cannot wait that long for a system that doesn’t suffer from this issue, and Browne said that any new machines for the studio he’s working at will use AMD Ryzen 9950X chips.

9950x releases 15th august

[grave sundial]

I am speculating here, but I think what Intel means is that new stocks of the CPU will be fixed.... maybe.

[median marsh]

so they have to wait the same time

what is this weird article?

did they write that drunk?

[grave sundial]

He might not have to wait.

They can contact AMD and get advance shipments.

It's all about money, after all.

Same way those benchmark testers get their hands on the chips in advance.

[median marsh]

i bet they get them for free for those statements

this is a whole AMD Ad

[grave sundial]

Hehe.

[median marsh]

not saying that the AMD CPUs are bad, but for the general customer it's all totally irrelevant until the microcode update was released and tested by 3rd parties

[grave sundial]

But, the issue has been posted on another news site as well.

So, it might not be just an advertisement.

--- Game studios such as Alderon Games, Warframe, and even Epic Games have communicated the problem to their users through blog posts, urging them to either implement Intel's directed fix or switch to alternatives likely from AMD. ---

[median marsh]

yea but "we migrate to AMD because [reason that doesn't apply to normal customers]" isn't a good news article imho

[grave sundial]

Normal? Cancel Ben NAOW! 😛

Yeah, but it's worth knowing it's happening.

[median marsh]

but well, they want viewers on their "news" page to generate ad revenue 😄

so they post shit that people click

[grave sundial]

The microcode fix is coming by mid-August, says the news.

[median marsh]

also interesting....

[grave sundial]

To be fair, his LinkedIn post might be about his personal PC?

and this one is about the entire studio?

But, no matter what he does, those Threadrippers ARE expensive. Very.

[median marsh]

yea

a wise decesion from a business POV would still be to wait for the microcode update and then decide to buy or not

i doubt that they get them much earlier

[grave sundial]

How would you implement the update? BIOS flash?

[median marsh]

windows update contains them afaik

[grave sundial]

Well...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/amd-is-recalling-all-units-of-its-next-chipset-and-pushing-its-launch-date-heres-why/articleshow/112020587.cms

Seems like AMD has its own fair share of problems.

[median marsh]

or excellent marketing

[grave sundial]

This quality issue is undisclosed.

[median marsh]

"see we fix our shit before we ship it"

[grave sundial]

🥁

[median marsh]

ah, apparently broken CPUs are already degraded and the microcode update tries to migate the degradation

which is why it wont fix already affected CPUs

[grave sundial]

So, it's your fault for making bad sandwiches? 🥪

[median marsh]

i dont make sandwiches often, don't blame me

[grave sundial]

Interesting; they overclocked the 9950X to 6 GHz and it's 20% faster than stock.

Now, I'd like to know how much life that shaves off the processor.

[median marsh]

press usually gets selected samples, especially when they are known for overclocking

[grave sundial]

And AMD's staff overclocked it to 6.6 GHz.

[median marsh]

so amd/intel picks the best one out of a set to get good results

[grave sundial]

I hope my eGPU works out, whenever the courier company decides to deliver it. I won't have to buy any new CPUs or motherboards for several years, then.

[median marsh]

well, AMD had something similar 😄

with their EXPO fail on AM5 release

[grave sundial]

Everything must fail, so we can take the credit for fixing it and charge even MOAR money.

I wonder whether the normal user will ever need 6 GHz of CPU power, or even one of those 4090 monstrosities.

[median marsh]

yes! if @thin elk keeps using 1k textures for his mouse cursor

[grave sundial]

Intel will make someone play that game and blame him when the processor explodes due to over-voltage.

Easiest scapegoat ever.

🐐

[orchid iron]

An Italian youtuber got his hands on a 9900x and reviewed it on YouTube, the video is public and compares it to the 7800x3d

[fallen oasis]

Is that amd or Intel chips?

[grave sundial]

Intel

[grave sundial]

What were the results?

[orchid iron]

"recensione 9900x"

[orchid iron]

Gaming only benchmark, he makes it go against the 7800x3d and it actually loses by a bit...but uses twice the watts of the 7800x3d, but he makes it clear that the 9900x isn't supposed to be a "gaming CPU"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZgLHglPCKE&pp=ygUQcmVjZW5zaW9uZSA5OTAweA%3D%3D

But he did say he would do production benchmarks next

[violet spade]

Clearly he didn’t get the memo that all of those are being recalled

[orchid iron]

I don't think he cares lol
He got the view and attention

[violet spade]

And likely provided inaccurate benchmarks as a result

And now you’re sharing his findings, misinforming everyone 😀

[orchid iron]

yay misinformation! CPU made for production workloads isn't great for gaming wow, I couldn't of guessed

[violet spade]

It might very well be just fine, won’t know until after Aug15th

[orchid iron]

yeah, even if it isn't accurate, it wouldn't be by that much, if we compare the 7900x and 7800x3D we already get similar results as him

[median marsh]

game may have just not been bottlenecked by the 7800x3d either

and so the faster cache paid off?

[orchid iron]

btw, game nexus did a revisit of older CPUs, and in the chromium compile benchmark, the 7950x3D was slightly faster than the 7950x so it may help with code compiling too

[sick cedar]

whats the CPU with most cores we got right now on the market to the consumers ?

Noticed the "AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7995WX 2.5/5.1GHz Box" but is like 12k lol
Is there some with a decent amount of cores under 1k ?

[orchid iron]

for pure core count go for a 14900k that you'd tone down by a lot, but I'd reccomend the 7950x

[sick cedar]

but the 14900 is just 8 cores

seems like the 7950x still technically the same of the 5950 then

[nova moss]

So which one is better?

[sick cedar]

depends on what you need it

[orchid iron]

wdym?

it has 24

[sick cedar]

oh is 24 and 32 threads

[orchid iron]

do you want cores or threads

[sick cedar]

for some reason I did read 8 and then 16

[orchid iron]

yeah 8 perf cores and 16 eff

[sick cedar]

yep

[sick cedar]

well usually the more cores the more threads so

but better cores, wanted some brute force image editing

[orchid iron]

efficiency cores only have 1 thread

keep in mind to tone it down, so basically a 7950x would match it or be better

[celest jungle]

I feel personally attacked by this intel nonsense lmao, as it deeply affects Unreal users. Hopefully intel is not lying through their teeth about the mobile editions of the CPU not being affected.

[orchid iron]

from moore's law is dead, internal sources at intel say that the engineers that made 12th gen were very concerned about a specific component in the CPU having over around 1.5 volts because of how fragile it was

Combined with the fact that 13th gen and 14th gen were rushed both in design and QA

Fun fact older BIOS version had the 13th and 14th gen high end CPUs at 1.6 volts in idle

[celest jungle]

I had to go back and look at some of my UE crash logs luckily they were all "assert failed" and not the oodle decompression thing so I hope that means my 13900hx is not affected

[orchid iron]

just make sure your cpu isn't recieving over 1.4 volts under load and you'll be fine

[celest jungle]

eeep

[orchid iron]

bruh, I just found out today, the mini pc I bought a year ago has a 13th gen mobile processor xD
The Intel i7 1360P, and before I even heard about the whole 13/14th issues, I was struggling to keep this thing cooled with the minimalistic single fan that goes up to 3500 rpm
Sadly I can't set the voltage in the BIOS, but I had to go through so many locked options to even try to bring this thing's temps to be somewhat normal at idle (60°C)

thankfully I'm not using this for high load tasks, and I played warframe a few times on it, goes between 80-90°C

[ripe ravine]

I'm currently using 2 32" monitors for UE (I also use the pc for music production and some other things), and it works nice except that the desk and space around it feels quite cramped because of them. I'm thinking about downgrading to 2 27" or maybe just a single 32" to free up the space (which I believe should make the experience of using the setup cleaner and therefore nicer to use).

Does anyone have experience switching from 32" to 27"? Do you miss the larger display size?

[orchid iron]

what about upgrading your desk since it seems like the only bottleneck here

maybe running a dual desk setup

[violet spade]

Yeah like shelling out to downgrade monitors seems like the most ass-backwards solution you could come up with lol

[fervent jolt]

run a quad desk setup. two desks in front of you and two desks on the ceiling

[orchid iron]

What about digging a hole through the floor and using the remaining floor as a desk

[median marsh]

or just remove the desk and sit on the ground?!

[celest jungle]

move the monitors to the ground and sit on the desk?

[violet spade]

Get rid of the old monitors and buy new ones, identical to them

[celest jungle]

yup, send the old ones to po box 90210 los angeles california amsterdam

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-yes-yeah-absolutely-yup-gif-16094369

[jaunty isle]

Please check my computer specifications

CPU AMD 9-5gen 7950X
RAM T-Force DDR5-5600 CL36 128GB(32GBX4)
MBD X670 AORUS ELITE AX
VGA RTX4090 GAMING OC D6X 24GB
HDD IRONWOLF 7200/756M (8TB)
POW NeoECO 1300W 80PLUS GOLD ATX 3.0
SSD SN850X M.2 NVMe (4TB)
CLR GL360 ARGB

I'm going to use it in a VFX studio.
enough? OR Not

[fallen oasis]

You really don't need a 1300W PSU

[wind egret]

Considering PSUs peak efficiency at around 50-60% load, it's not a bad idea.

The only things that aren't top of the line in that list are the DDR5-5600 and the 8TB hard drive. (Though that's about as much as I'd trust to a stack of platters.)

[fallen oasis]

If you say so.

80 Plus Gold certification is a higher level of efficiency than Silver and Bronze, indicating that the PSU has an efficiency of at least 87% at 20% load, 90% at 50% load, and 87% at 100% load.

Such power saving!

[orchid iron]

that's normal, he is using a 4 slot config, so it is actually around double the spec speed for the memory controller of the 7950x

[orchid iron]

the 4090 is quite overkill, you can use a 4080 super or 7900 xtx if you'd want to save up on a bit of money
Also for the 7950x I would reccomend a (2x48gb) slot configuration instead of a (4x32gb) because using 4 dimms on a dual channel tanks ram speed
Plus you'd go from 128gb to 96gb, so in term of RAM, you wouldn't see capacity issues, but you'll likely notice the speed increase

also, you could wait like 2 weeks and get the 9950x instead of the 7950x
That way in the future you could even run a 4x48gb config

[harsh pine]

What are recommended budget gpus? Nvidia or amd? 12 or 16 gb vram?

[orchid iron]

depends on the budget

do you have 200 or 500 to spare?

and which features do you care about? Is ray tracing or AI workloads important to you?

[harsh pine]

Ray tracing - no, ai -no. 400-600

Just for like terrain design with environments and stuff

~7800xt 16gb/4070 12 gb

[orchid iron]

then aim for the 7800 xt if you find it at a good price

[harsh pine]

Ty

[naive cloak]

idk how it is nowadays but usually Nvidia cards performed better for content creation and UE

[orchid iron]

"Content creation" and "UE" are incredibly vague, can you be more specific?

[naive cloak]

Radeon users usually had problems that Nvidia users didn't also Nvidia cards perform better in UE and other 3d software

[orchid iron]

In the past radeon drivers were more unstable compared to NVIDIA yes, however after more time and maturity, drivers from both sides have around the same amount of issues, just on different aspects

Also, in the past Intel's CPUs were classified as "better for content creation than AMD", yet 13th and 14th gen have failed many customers

I wouldn't stick with a single opinion forever, since the market is always in a constant state of change

[naive cloak]

also afaik Radeon has no alternative to RTX 4090 in consumer cards...

[orchid iron]

Radeon 7000 doesn't have a card to match the 4090, radeon 8000 won't have a card to match the 4090 or/and 5090
But beyond that AMD will change their GPU design to be a chiplet based die instead of a monolithic die (like NVIDIA and Intel GPUs)
Which means they'll be able to make higher end GPUs much more reliably and make mid tier cards for far cheaper
Also, I heard Radeon 8000 has significant ray tracing and AI improvement compared to current gen, maybe the chiplet based GPU will also have another improvement as well, especially with ray tracing combined with nanite

[naive cloak]

I think I heard that 5000 series will also have some kind chiplet/modular design

[orchid iron]

Unfortunately no, and NVIDIA themself aren't a fan of the chiplet based design due to the challenges it has, to the point where in the servers, they use SLI to connect two monolithic dies together

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7a0UGHvxrLw

"We all know this is how a GPU looks like"

[naive cloak]

Linus Tech Tips = 💩

[violet spade]

This was further proven by their response when they were called out on their many mistakes due to rushing to make the next video and not spending the time and resources to verify the information in their video, plus the entire situation where they fucked over a supplier

[naive cloak]

I stopped watching ltt long time ago, unsubscribed and set youtube to not recommend that channel

Linus became unbearable... probably fame "got to his head"

[violet spade]

I nvr really watched them but I’d seen them around

[violet spade]

Sounds about right

[naive cloak]

I started watching ltt in ~2010, it was ok, I wanted to buy PC so I had to learn, then I liked the PC wars series that they made, then when he "shadow banned" Luke because viewers liked him more (probably), and the disrespect that Linus started to show when reviewing components etc. made me understand that its time to leave

[silent cape]

I'm thinking of buying a new laptop since I've had my current one for four years. It has been upgraded for better performance with Unreal Engine, but the program still tends to go over the visual memory budget. So what kinds of laptops that aren't too expensive would anyone recommend?

[celest jungle]

none, they are all too expensive lmao. Lenovo Legions are badass tho, but usually gotta upgrade the ram to get enough.

[silent cape]

Ain't that the truth. But I have considered a Lenovo model. What kinds are best? And how many gigs of RAM are we talking about?

[celest jungle]

TBH if u r developing a ue5 game u will basically want the highest end specs u can find. Legion 7 or 9. They usually come with only max 32 GB which is definitely not sufficient usually. I went with 64 GB after upgrading but that honestly feels low still. You could theoretically put 96 GB in some laptops, which would be better and at that point u r spending a lot of money.

[silent cape]

Okay. When I’m able, I’ll go look up the prices for the laptop and for the upgrade.

[silent cape]

Yikes...we're looking at at least $3,000 USD. Is there something that's not as pricy but still reliable, I don't guess?

[fallen oasis]

Laptops are more expensive. If you want performance and cheap, buy a pc.

"cheap"

[celest jungle]

I hear they are having some hot sales on intel chips

like VERY hot

almost too hot

[fallen oasis]

So hot it's degrading.

[celest jungle]

yup it makes me wish i didn't buy intel until knowing about this fire sale

or after it

[silent cape]

I need a laptop so I can carry it wherever I go, for one.

[celest jungle]

Yeah I chose to get a laptop too for that reason, but it's loud.

[naive cloak]

Intel will not recall 13,14 gen CPUs also they will not stop selling defective CPUs 🤗

but they will release "microcode" in mid August that should "fix" defective CPUs

[orchid iron]

only reason I linked the vid was to reference the fact that SLI was used today for servers

[orchid iron]

apparently they forgot that the 12th gen engineers were worried of a specific CPU component receiving too much voltage from the same rails as the cores, the issue probably wouldn't have been so massive had they read the docs smh

[swift light]

How do you decipher the AMD processors capbility from the names? their naming convention is noodles

[median marsh]

data sheets

[orchid iron]

from experience, just learn how to read processor specs, the marketing people from AMD have several strokes, while being high when making these

[swift light]

well raw ghz doesn't mean shit anymore , should look for FLOPS or what?

[orchid iron]

yeah, pretty much number of transistors, flops, tops, ropes, although it would more simple to find benchmarks that are similar to your targeted workload

[orchid iron]

"work in progress" xD

available for sale in Italy, if you don't see price it is because no italian vpn

[bright lodge]

i have the best pc ever, 128mb ram, pentium 4, and geforce 256

and i am getting 12940349 fps on unreal engine 5 with maximum graphics

for real bro

definately

[orchid iron]

I just find it funny a distributor is just like:"whatever" and just sells it way earlier and potentially consumers getting screwed by beta BIOS which are before day 1 BIOS

not to mention the "issue" AMD is supposedly having with them

[orchid iron]

sounds like an engine cap to me, you may have more FPS if they removed that low cap

[bright lodge]

good point

maybe if i pissed in the watercooling i could get it a bit faster

and got rgb lights

[bright lodge]

wait ur also a ddlc fan @orchid iron?

just noticed the pfp lmao

[orchid iron]

Yeah dude, one of my favourite games

[bright lodge]

same

[unkempt coral]

Always compare real benchmarks on userbenchmark.com before buying

[orchid iron]

LOL, ah, such an amazing meme
10/10

[naive cloak]

everyone is saying that userbenchmark is fake but no one has any proof...

probably AMD made that rumor and spread it on Reddit

[orchid iron]

oh very simple, just look up on youtube "Userbenchmark reviews", you'll find quite a lot of youtubers who do real benchmarks disagreeing with it

(also people aren't allowed to link userbenchmark pages in both r/AMD and r/Intel)

[fresh fog]

I think we found the creator of userbenchmark right here

Do you by any chance refer to AMD as Advanced Marketing Devices?

[orchid iron]

I think so too

[naive cloak]

what I learned is that when too many people say that something is bad it is actually good.

most people rent opinions they dont have their own...

[fresh fog]

That is a wild set of conclusions

I'm guessing Redfall was a great game? :P

[mighty cosmos]

Interesting thing to say about a website known to be horrendous

[fresh fog]

But, no, userbenchmark is obviously biased

I'm still wondering how you draw "multiple say bad = good"

[naive cloak]

I dont know any website that can be trusted 🤷‍♂️ so idk why I should listen to Reddit user "opinion"

[orchid iron]

EA, Blizzard, tencent, Microsoft, Sony are all amazing companies and are currently at their peak quality

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXtBK-OsR0Q

overclockers:
liquid nitrogene and direct die contact

interprice:
putting whole computer in non conductive water and is working on water cooling the die itself

[violet spade]

Yeah you go ahead and dunk your pc in non-conductive water 😀

[median marsh]

does it really work better?

like you need at least some pump which moves the liquid around i guess

[orchid iron]

yup, but still, I thought it was a meme, but some servers actually do it

[median marsh]

the whole thing?

i'm not gonna watch that 20min video to get 1min worth of informations

[orchid iron]

15:20-17:00

[mellow galleon]

water? no.
oil? yes. there are data centers with all servers being in large oil tanks

[outer moon]

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor
Mother Board: MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
GPU: Acer Predator BiFrost OC Radeon RX 7900 GRE 16 GB Video Card
is this good for unreal engine? or should I go for rtx 4070 super 12gb?

[fallen oasis]

16gb is better for making games.

What about ram?

[outer moon]

64gb

[outer moon]

so gpu okay then?

[orchid iron]

looks like a good choice for UE yeah

[orchid iron]

flamable oil I hope xD

[outer moon]

🙂

[orchid iron]

as someone with an almost 10 year old gpu with 3 gb, I can tell you your stuff is good

[outer moon]

👀

[orchid iron]

Programming and making system in unreal isn't very demanding on the gpu, neither on the cpu since mine is from the intel 6000 series

[outer moon]

okay

I will be doing 3d rendering and design part mostly

[orchid iron]

3d rendering with ray tracing?

[outer moon]

yess, I think : )

[small stratus]

Hello, Hope someone can help me with troubleshooting. I am getting Unreal Engine-related programs crashing. I have built a new computer, however at first, I installed an Intel Core i7-14700K processor then heard that there are a few issues with them so just recently installed an Intel Core i9 12900K. I am still having the same issues. I have stressed test my GPU, CPU and run windows memory tester, but nothing is crashing or coming up with a fault. I have swapped a different GPU around and taken ram out and swapped around etc. Anyone had something simular too? I am really puzzled of what it could be when its unreal engine related stuff that crashes

[orchid iron]

what do the crash logs say?

[small stratus]

I just reinstalled windows and added drivers etc. And ran Fortnite. Here is the game log from it. Only see these errors
Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x0000000000000114
Error: [Callstack] 0x00007ff690aac526 FortniteClient-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
LogWindows: Error: Crash in runnable thread Background Worker #2

[orchid iron]

from a quick look, many files seems to be missing, do you have any other UE games to test if they work?

[small stratus]

I dont have anything else yet but can download something else

[orchid iron]

The First Descendant is free and made with unreal, you could also look up other games

[small stratus]

okay thanks, I am installing one called once human too

[fresh fog]

We can't really offer help with made unreal games. We only really offer help if these issues are occurring in games you're making.

There's too many variables at play with other people's stuff, variables that we have no way of knowing

[small stratus]

I am also having these crashes with doing unreal engine renders. But i have been getting crashes with games faster

[median marsh]

then show an crash log of unreal editor

[small stratus]

Yep will do just reinstalling everything as i go after a fresh install of windows .

[plush turret]

Is there a max number of drives my PC can support?

it has MB ports for 4 NVME's and up to 6 SATA ports

[median marsh]

depends on the mainboard

[plush turret]

MB currently in rig: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09KKYXXQB/

[median marsh]

🤷

read the manual

[plush turret]

Manual says noting about how many i can plug in other than 6x sata ports and 4x NVME ports

[median marsh]

it may say something about pci express lane usage

and that some stuff may get disabled when doing certain configurations

read the NVME, SATA and PCI Express section of the manual

[plush turret]

all thats in the PCIE section:

thats all it has on storage

or PCIE

[median marsh]

then the manual sucks

[plush turret]

its only 30 pages from MSI

well guess its time to install a bunch of drives

i already have 4

whats 6 more

i have plenty of sata drives, as i never threw my old ones out

so i can at least test that

but both my NVME's are plugged in

[orchid iron]

look in your BIOS, and check if your PC power limits are around 200 watts, if it is something like 4000 you may want to try to look online which power settings are most stable

Also try to run your RAM at 4000 MHz (in case your CPU's memory controller is defective, very unlikely but might as well reduce variables)

oh and make sure your CPU's voltage never goes above 1.45, there is a component in intel's chip which uses the same rails as CPU cores which is very weak to anything above that (preferably only at 1.3 max)

[fallen oasis]

If your pc is using 4000 watts, you may have a problem.

[plush turret]

assuming its not a server farm

[naive cloak]

Intel to Cut 10,000 Jobs Across the Globe, Projected to Save $10 Billion

Now we will finally be able to call them "small CPU manufacturer" so it will not be so shocking when they release such awful CPUs...

[orchid iron]

https://hwbusters.com/cpu/checking-intels-power-profiles-baseline-performance-and-extreme/

the insane profile used to be the "default" for a while

and now people wonder where instability came from

[mental timber]

https://x.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1819173752154083651

The AZ - abc15 - Data Guru (@Garrett_Archer) on X

A source on the @intel employee all hands call:
-Asking for voluntary exits first.
-If they can't get to 15% reduction will move to layoffs.
-Canceling free coffee (standard drip system) and free bananas.
-4 week sabbatical going from every 4 years to every 7 years.

Twitter · Aug 2, 2024, 12:49 AM

[fervent jolt]

No more free bananas... What's next, bring your own toilet paper?!?

[orchid iron]

odd to see a leak from a political x account lol

[mental timber]

Yeah agreed

[median marsh]

yea, take the caffeine from devs/engineers, what could go wrong...

don't give them ideas ^^

[fallen oasis]

Bright ideas*

[plush turret]

nah next they take away the chairs

force them to stand the entire time like fast food employees

[violet spade]

I mean free coffee is always dogshit anyways

They get that cheap stuff Nabob or whatever that tastes like liquid cancer

Bananas are not that cheap tho, years of wasting that money prly had its own contribution

[violet spade]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EJIM_oqvXD8?si=S0aVaRMHqvSWn20M

Maybe the bananas and coffee were causing them to output bad microcode 😀

[wind egret]

Theory: Bad coffee and brown bananas killed the microcode team's enthusiasm.

[orchid iron]

that would kill my enthusiasm for sure

[orchid iron]

oh no, the employees won't have access to wifi any more, or they'll have really low tier one xD

also, the fruits and bevreage were apparently for the corpo, not the employees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vQlvefGxk

[violet spade]

Hard to believe the post chose to highlight those, rather than what looks like it would be excessive spending, things like “air shuttle” “fitness coaching programs” and reimbursement for car etc lol

[orchid iron]

yeah, I'm very sus of that post after watching the video now

[violet spade]

Tbh it’s both disheartening to see employees suffer and delectable to see the company suffer. There’s a telecom company here that used to do similar stuff with lavish corporate excursions and all kinds of stupid shit and now they’ve been having to cut all of those things out but also cutting hundreds of jobs, as the tech bubble burst.

[orchid iron]

indeed

[orchid iron]

I just realised intel is earning around twice as much as AMD, with 5 times the head count, I think we gonna see a tone of lay offs from intel soon and a lot of leaks from how bad the situation was

[grave sundial]

That's assuming they're not (secretly) replacing their employees with Optimus(es) to do the job instead. It's a robo-world we are running off to! 🙂

[wind egret]

Did AMD ever suffer this publicly with Bulldozer? (the only other 250W CPU gen I can think of)

[grave sundial]

There're articles about how that chip was disappointing and how AMD came close to bankruptcy. So, I guess the answer is yes.

[orchid iron]

Bulldozer had its issues, but not to the level of 13/14th gen, main problem was that it just couldn't compete with intel's products at the time

[delicate crystal]

does unreal work better on windows 10 or 11?

[naive cloak]

win 11 has way too much "telemetry"

[neat schooner]

nothing works better on 11

[delicate crystal]

Well thats good. Saves mr about 150 bucks on my build

[violet spade]

These are exaggerations, UE works fine on 11

[mighty patrol]

Just debloat it your fine

You can also disable so much stuff by default.

[delicate crystal]

Anyone familiar with the Quadro chipset? Saw this for less then a grand and figured I'd ask if this is a good or bad choice

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/fqmxFT/pny-video-card-vcqm600024gbpb

[orchid iron]

"The Quadro M6000 24 GB was an enthusiast-class professional graphics card by NVIDIA, launched on March 5th, 2016"

I don't think you'd want an 8 year old production GPU for your build

if you are looking for things at less than a grand, maybe the 7900 xtx or the 4070 Ti super are more what you'd want to be interested in

lmao, this thing is SLI compatible, that's how old this is

[grave sundial]

A new one of that is still expensive. Used ones are cheaper, but yeah, why bother?

[orchid iron]

the whole purpose of buying new would be that you'd buy the latest one, so that it would theoretically last you a really long time

if you'd buy used, you'd buy from around 2 generations ago to get some sweet deals, but keep in mind some features you'd be interested in might be missing from the latest ones

[orchid iron]

omg, 12th gen outselling 13th and 14th on amazon is wild

[delicate crystal]

oof thanks for catching that. Explains the price then. Also that's a good reason to not be shopping for computer parts at midnight 😄

[orchid iron]

any form of money management should not be done at midnight xD

[orchid iron]

did you end up solving your issues?

[small stratus]

Nope, its getting weirder and weirder. Replaced pretty much all components and now the GPU has failed 🤦‍♂️

[orchid iron]

so you did part swapping, and you still couldn't find the issue?

[small stratus]

Swapped CPU, Motherboard and PSU. Now my 4090 is dead so got a spare 4070 TI which still crashes

[orchid iron]

wait, how did your 4090 die?

[small stratus]

Turned it on and not posting

that was today and it was working before i shutdown

[orchid iron]

have you watched a youtube series called "fix or flop" before?

[small stratus]

No I havn't

[orchid iron]

look it up on youtube, it has over 80 videos on it, it is a series with a lot of hardware debugging information that may be highly important for you

since you did so many windows clean installs, then your problem is a hardware one no doubt about it

[small stratus]

Okay thanks will look at that. I did get an LED on the motherboard indicating graphics error so

just odd to work out what hardware

downgraded to DirectX 11 and it was stable for longer until it crashed. Just trying out UE4.7 to see.

[orchid iron]

the whole series is dedicated to locating which hardware is causing issues

[small stratus]

but then its only unreal games has crashed

[orchid iron]

unreal engine is perhaps more demanding than any other game, thus pushing your hardware futher

[small stratus]

Hmm yeah.

[orchid iron]

have you tried running stress tests on both cpu and gpu before? Or only 1 at a time?

[small stratus]

Yeah done a CPU and GPU stress test at different times ran it for 1 hour each. Did a game stress test too

no crash for each

[orchid iron]

what is your psu again?

[small stratus]

Be Quiet! Straight Power 12 1200W Modular 80+ Platinum PSU

[orchid iron]

yeah, it would be odd if that failed, have you checked your psy cables connected to your GPU or power dilevery on the GPU? Do they seem like they were burned or melted a tiny bit

[small stratus]

No all seem fine. New PSU too. but yeah they are all good. I unplugged and replugged all cables too

[small stratus]

got the GPU working. Think there must have been some grit or something on the contacts. Gave it a bit of compressed air (its only a couple of weeks old)

[orchid iron]

Nice, please do check out the series I mentioned, I'm sure you'll be able to fix your computer's issues

[small stratus]

Yeah im watching now

[naive cloak]

Intel dont want to RMA tray CPUs from Amazon and Micro Center, they say they are fake 🤣

so someone managed create fake 14900K but failed to create fake box for it?

[plush turret]

I like my 12th gen i7

glad i bought it not the 13th gen like everyone here wanted me too

[plush turret]

a clicking hdd is still a fatal issue right?

[fallen oasis]

That or it's trying to speak Khoisan.

[naive cloak]

my hdd clicks sometimes, I do optimize and defragment and after some time it stops, but idk if it stops because this 🤷‍♂️

[violet spade]

Idk if this has been already posted, but here’s another update https://youtu.be/b6vQlvefGxk?si=14BHv15eWTe_ZUI1

[orchid iron]

the 9600x and 9700x are coming out tomorrow, which means today is review day!

[agile lodge]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/05/business/japan-nikkei-225-stock-market-rebound-intl-hnk/index.html

[minor veldt]

AMD the champ.

[agile lodge]

this come in waves it seems amd seems have it issues but they have launnch of new cpus so it keep it hopeful for them

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rttc_ioflGo

reviews are droppin' boyz

[minor veldt]

👍 👎 so far?

[orchid iron]

matches the 7700x at almost half the power EDIT: in specific senarios, in most it looks like it is just slightly less

that's about it

it basically means that the enthusiast level CPUs which have same power as previous generation will be better in the double digit %
The EPYC and threadrippers with zen5 will be absolute monsters and will roll previous gen

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZuV35LgjxU

this review is much more detailed and explains the real differences

[mighty cosmos]

Really curious about the 9950x

[orchid iron]

that's gonna be very awesome to see...Plagued with D1 problems as any cpu xD

[fallen oasis]

wtb new tr

[orchid iron]

you should see the amazon Xeon, TR and EPYC reviews, they are some of the funniest things I even seen

[fallen oasis]

Oh?

[orchid iron]

especially the ones from the most expensive models

bruh had a 4090 TI in 2023

[naive cloak]

is it a good idea?

[orchid iron]

Technically you are using the same amount of lanes as an NVMe, so there is nothing wrong, and if you need something in between large storage and fast storage, several SSDs will be quite handy
Just make sure the NVMe expand to 6 ports is of high quality

[naive cloak]

can it damage the MB or M2 port?

if I will buy it I will use it to connect SSD and HDD drives

I have no way to make sure its high quality because I will order it from aliexpress or amazon 🤷‍♂️

[fallen oasis]

It's not gonna damage it

It's kinda worrying that it's port 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 0... why the random order?

[naive cloak]

maybe because of the chip pinout

[void palm]

Rate this build, for indie dev

[fallen oasis]

Intel CPUs are pretty fucked

[void palm]

i read that also. is that one in particular known to have problems?

[fallen oasis]

All of them.

Also it doesn't tell you how much vram the card has.

[void palm]

12gb

[void palm]

do you have any links on this

[fallen oasis]

Like this?

[fallen oasis]

Or this?

[orchid iron]

This is also heavily bottlenecked by RAM, 32gb is fine for any gamers, it isn't for content creation
You have 24 cores and only 32gb for them

Also the 13th and 14th gen situation is so bad all RMAs are currently getting rejected or delayed, would you like for the CPU to random not work and have no other option than buying more and more unstable hardware as a fix? Well that was the situation for a year until people spoke out about it

[void palm]

good point

[orchid iron]

Wait, only 1 TB aswell? You need to consider a lot more than that depending on your project size or if you already have storage

[void palm]

wait since when does RAM and core-count cause bottleneck potential? can you explain this more?

[orchid iron]

Well this is more in the case of code compilation, you'd want around 2-3 GB of ram per thread

However if you do video editing, scene rendering, Photoshop, etc...yeah that ram will fill up so fast regardless of core count

[void palm]

gotcha

[naive cloak]

I think AMD CPU are more affected from that

[orchid iron]

From?

[naive cloak]

RAM amount

[orchid iron]

Ah, so Intel is like Mac and 8gb in Intel is like 16 in amd, okay got it user benchmark admin

@void palm also, if your VRAM from your GPU fills up, (which btw, if you you are paying almost 1k for a GPU, it should at least have 16gb of vram since 12gb is current console gen vram amount) then instead of placing more data in VRAM it puts it in RAM so that the GPU can still access it relatively quickly

[naive cloak]

afaik its easier to cause bottleneck on AMD by using "wrong" RAM

[naive cloak]

btw have you noticed that this PC is out of stock?

also I would not buy from them, they gave more info about the case than the motherboard... Motheboard: Z790 DDR5 what is that?

[orchid iron]

Probably sketchy custom made mobo with custom BIOS

OEMs do that a lot

[naive cloak]

probably, I think its ITX

I would use Amazon or some other store and build similar spec PC to see if its worth it, unless you dont want to assemble yourself, but I think there are stores that can do it for you or maybe ask a friend

also they did not specify any brand names...

[violet spade]

I’m not sure what you’re asking me lol

[fallen oasis]

Im not talking to you.

I was quoting your posts for the other guy.

[violet spade]

Yeah well… I didn’t realize 😅

[violet spade]

Any 13th or 14th gen are at risk

[violet spade]

Based on GN’s research, Intel was aware of it 18-24 months ago

[devout pendant]

I've just updated the bios. Something about AMD Ryzen security and logofail.

So windows 11 asks to change the PIN after changing the hardware? in this case, updated the bios.

[void palm]

kind of insane to think about

the amount of vendors that still advertise those cpus that are faulty

[void palm]

its 16gb

[void palm]

sheesh didn't realize it was on this level

[violet spade]

Yeah it’s extremely problematic, their major customers are pissed

Cause those things go in servers

[orchid iron]

oh yeah sorry I didn't specify more, Moore's law is dead made a podcast with the dino game's CEO which is also mostly a programmer, and he told how ridiculous the situation was as a game developer and and a server manager, Intel constantly gaslighting you so you'd ignore the issue

[orchid iron]

@void palm
no specific brand specification = sketchy custom OEM part or really low quality one

[orchid iron]

logofail is an exploit that mostly target high value people, unless you are worth millions it is highly unlikely you'd come across it

[orchid iron]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/motherboards/logofail-exploit-bypasses-hardware-and-software-security-measures-and-is-nearly-impossible-to-detect-or-remove

[grave sundial]

My eGPU has arrived! 😄

I am leaving it running for two days to see if it blows up, short-circuits, or simply goes on a strike because it came from the UK and doesn't like immigrants. The PSU is 550w.

I managed to connect the electrical connections for the PCI cables without causing a fire. So, there's that. 😄

If everything works out, I will order a 4060ti or 4070ti; I haven't finalised that yet. 😄

[frank glade]

you were clearly scammed, that is just an external gpu, not an electronic gpu

[grave sundial]

I know. I was expecting a neuralink gpu. But, it came from the UK, so I don't expect equality. 😛

But, I do have a bit of a logistical conundrum on my hands right now. The way I'd have to position the eGPU will interfere with my water bottle next to my laptop, not to mention the gaming half-keyboard and the USB fan next to it.

Also, there needs to be space to shove a monitor next to it, because I don't think this will override the internal gtx 970m connected to the laptop's display.

[orchid iron]

what about using both?

[grave sundial]

I think that should be fine, although I am totally new at this. I'll need to see how screwed up the laptop becomes. 😄

My first thought is whether this will boot the computer using the eGPU, or default to the 970m first.

So far, nothing's exploded.

[orchid iron]

computers can use multiple GPUs, the question is what will you do with them

most laptops with GPUs like nvidia 4060 use hybrid graphics which also make use of the CPU integrated graphics

[grave sundial]

Depends on which computer. This one is old, so is the BIOS. It doesn't have integrated graphics.
I'll probably keep the 970m disabled. If the eGPU works, I probably won't need the 970m except maybe to boot.

and so far, no explosions.

💣

[grave sundial]

4060ti ordered.

MSI curved gaming monitor ordered.

Next up: Clean dust off table and prepare to reorganise all the wires and thingamajigs.

[devout pendant]

updating the motherboard caused windows to ask for a new pin. Why?

[orchid iron]

windows being paranoid

[median marsh]

assumed someone put your HDD in another PC to steal your data

now it wants confirmation that the new "PC" belongs to the owner of the data

[violet spade]

And Windows 11 cares about you your data

[median marsh]

yea, they really put effort into it that only you and MS can access it 😄

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bEv74JrHQo

Microcode doesn't appear to be a nerf

[grave sundial]

If the last news article about it was true, then the processors already impacted by that 'degradation' wouldn't benefit from this. You'd have to get new processors. Something about - 'the damage was already done on the old ones, so...'

On the flip-side, I assume processors that haven't yet degraded - maybe because they were undervolted - would benefit from this patch. Maybe...

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X - is this one of the new processors from AMD?

[orchid iron]

yeah, he says that at beginning of video

[orchid iron]

yup, 9600x and 9700x are new, 9900x 9950x will come aug 15th

[grave sundial]

🤔 The 9700x is fairly cheap for a new processor.

Very nice.

[wind egret]

It's not cheap for a new 65W processor and it's a token improvement over the 7700x. The power savings are nice... but only if you're a datacenter or a laptop.
Still a win for AMD because it's going to sell a ton of AM4 CPUs.

[grave sundial]

It's cheap compared to how they normally price them. Especially in India, with the import duties, I am surprised they aren't charging 50,000 for it. Even the 9950 whatever is pegged at just 50,000 - although it might rise on the actual release date.

I expect the starting price to be 45,000 and go up to 60-70k, but the range seems to be 33-50 instead.

However, the MSI AM5 motherboard is expensive AF.... ✊

[grave sundial]

🤔 Do you think 7800x3Ds will become dirt cheap?

That'd make me happy. 👏

[wind egret]

No. Even the 5800X3D is retaining its price. (#!@ing gamers.)

[grave sundial]

dang.

[wind egret]

The 9600X looks like a deal for anyone who doesn't need a 16 core CPU.

[grave sundial]

I'd combine the 9600X with the X670 Aorus Elite motherboard, I think, just in terms of price.

[naive cloak]

look at the difference between Intel and AMD, Intel is at least 20% faster 🤔

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZuV35LgjxU

[grave sundial]

Turns out it was a good thing that I decided to test the eGPU enclosure for two days.
I heard a bit of sparking sound from the wall outlet, probably because of a loose contact.
I played with the plug a bit and I'll test it some more; if I hear it again, my electrician will have to replace the plug.

[grave sundial]

I purchased a tester that arrived today - #lounge message

Not receiving enough power can totally be a thing, depending on where you live.

I remember one of my students in Japan telling me that they had to talk to the power company in their area, in order to receive more power to their apartment - like adding phases or something.

In my house, in India, we had to include a 3-phase connection, because we have air conditioners.

If all that is fine, then it can be faulty wiring or bad connections.

[orchid iron]

AMD purposefully sandbagged their normal variant by starving them of power, if you want to see an improvement turn PBO on both 7700x and 9700x

[orchid iron]

I saw that, his video about the 9000 series and Linux had also a lot of highly detailed information, it is 100% a solid foundation for zen 6 and zen 7
Also I've heard some leaks about AMD making a 32 core CCD for their massive core count processors, I wonder if a 32 core desktop CPU with 3d v-cache will ever come to consumer market

Intel had to cancel theirs

[frigid sorrel]

i Got these specs , and dont know what to do with it . processor: i9-13900k
RAM: DDR-5 64GB 6000MHz
Storage: 2TB SSD 7000MBPS
Motherboard: ROG STRIX Z790
Graphics Card: ROG STRIX 4090

[median marsh]

you can give it to me

[plush turret]

still bothers me ram is in mhz not ghz

[fresh fog]

I mean it makes sense when you have speeds like 2333MHz

[plush turret]

agreed BUT

its the ONLY thing doing that

[fresh fog]

I mean true, and there's an argument to be said we don't really use those odd speeds anymorw

I guess it's just what people.are used to :P

[plush turret]

we got used to mircousb and now usb c we can accept ghz labeled ram

[grave sundial]

No.

We must degrade it further.

64GB 6,000,000 BHz sounds far better.

"Look at those zeroes, grandma! GIMME YOUR CREDIT CARD, NAOW!!!!"

[orchid iron]

make sure to use it very little until mid august and then look up tutorial on how to update your BIOS and CPU Microcode to reduce your 13900k from accelerated degradation

[grave sundial]

I think he could also undervolt it in the BIOS until the patch is applied, no?

[orchid iron]

It all depends on the skill level of the user
On the lowest end he could just use the intel baseline
On the highest end he could set very specific values
But apparently that may not stop the intel boosts to go over the set voltages, which is what the microcode is for

[grave sundial]

🤔 I thought undervolting prevented the issue.
If not, then.... fck.

Better to wait for the patch then.

[orchid iron]

Isn't it lovely when a big company remains vague about what issues are present in their products

[orchid iron]

You could deactivate all options that increases performance and do an undervolt and power limits on top which would nerf an i9 to an i5

[grave sundial]

Assuming humans at Intel are manufacturing anything.
I imagine Skynet is guiding everyone, controlling their minds with brain chips, forcing them to supercharge chips to leapfrog technology, so that it can create the first terminator.

Let's assume Elon's Optimus is the first T-100.

[orchid iron]

never underestimate human stupidity

[grave sundial]

Before thou shalt click this sacred record,
Sing thou the psalms to the Emperor of Man.
Cleanse thyself of chaos and corruption,
Sing thou the psalms of the sacred Omnissiah.

MSI RTX 4060Ti 16GB OC edition

[orchid iron]

BEEG

[violet spade]

Smol bus but nice either way

[naive cloak]

if display port supports 4k@60hz can it support 2 monitors 1920x1200@100hz using daisy chain?

[frigid sorrel]

sure bro. if you want it. why not. ping me.

[frigid sorrel]

yea, i wish too bro.

[median marsh]

@frigid sorrel

also i'm humble, i'll just take the 4090

[frigid sorrel]

nah man seriously , if you have any work , just ping me

[median marsh]

you're also doing work for free? Nice, i'll keep it in mind

[frigid sorrel]

Nopeee... dont expect too much bro . ill just give you my pc for one project

for renders and stuff

[median marsh]

are you sure? one project can take a long time....

[naive cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmpYyGWNd6w

[orchid iron]

oh my

[orchid iron]

https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products/platforms/details/raptor-lake-s/13th-generation-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/002/005/011/processor-sku-support-matrix/

Okay, so I have a question that makes me feel like I was gaslit for years:

On the CPU specs, when you read the "Max supported speeds" is it the motherboard amount of slots that is to take into consideration or the number of ram sticks you insert?

Because this document along with 14900k specs are saying it is the motherboard

Is it the same with AMD?

[grave sundial]

I assume you are asking about RAM sticks.
Basically, if you insert only two RAM sticks, you get higher speeds and if you enter more than that, you get slower speeds. For example: two RAM sticks in slots 1 and 2 get you 5000MHz (an example) and putting more sticks in slots 3 and 4 get you 2100MHz for all the slots.

I think that's why all the gaming RAM sellers sell in combos of two sticks per kit, instead of four. I am not sure why more than two sticks encounter that limitation though.

[gilded bluff]

Hi everyone. I am wondering if i7-12th generation or greater, RTX 4070 Lap Top GPU (whichis equivalent to RTX 2080 super) and 32 GB ddr5 Ram memory is enough for unreal engine 5.4 to create a game similarly to Call of Duty Cold War game? It is a laptop. Are these specs are good enough for smoothness? Any tips?

[orchid iron]

That's the thing, the document says otherwise, which is why I'm so confused and feel gaslighted

[grave sundial]

🤷 I haven't read much into WHY that's the case. I am not sure whether there's a negative performance impact, or the workload is just split between four chips and everything's kosher.

[orchid iron]

Go for only 12th gen for now, 13th and 14th gen are currently in a very unstable spot

Edit: also to answer your question that is sufficient, the challenge is cooling your laptop to make sure you can actually use your hardware

[orchid iron]

From level 1 tech and Moore's law is dead, apparently servers have to clock down their memories to the "actual memory specs" otherwise running intensive tasks everyday will increase the failure rates

But it is so wild to think that if you have a 14th gen CPU and put 2 ram sticks on a motherboard with 4 dimm slots, the first boot will run 4800 on both and that's over spec

[fallen oasis]

They only rate it up to something like 4400 or something if there's 4 dimm sockets?

[orchid iron]

That's if you put 2 ram sticks into those 4 dimms

If you put 4 it is even lower

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jJzSlXe_aDA&t=500s

I linked the time at which it references what I'm discussing, and I put the doc he mentioned next to my question above

[gilded bluff]

What is that mean they are unstable? They work bad? If the hardware is cooled enough will that characteristics be enough for my purposes in ue 5.4? It is gonna be gaming lap top

[orchid iron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHcrbT5D_Y

right now the most respected hardware reviews don't recommend 13/14th gen, the situation may be resolved later but for now 12Th gen is completly fine

[mighty patrol]

Also on ue a lot of users experience crashes on current intel

[naive cloak]

if you already have 13/14 CPU you should RMA it (if you have problems with it) and when you get new CPU you have to limit the voltages etc. Frame Chasers posted multiple videos on how to do it

[gilded bluff]

Ok thank you everyone for support 🙏

I got it

[naive cloak]

idk if mobile CPU affected by that

[plush turret]

Im happy with my 12th gen

[violet spade]

I think the via oxidation issue might be resolved but that’s according to Intel so who knows. Microcode is still a ways to go before it gets properly peer reviewed

[orchid iron]

some BIOS vendors released it earlier than announced, and oh boy it does not inspire confidence, Frame Chasers and JayTwocents made videos about it

[violet spade]

GN prly still testing

[orchid iron]

GN is currently struggling to test 9900x and 9950x because of day 1 issues

[violet spade]

Didn’t AMD say it was delaying release because quality didn’t meet expectations? Did they just say ah f it ?😀

[orchid iron]

according to Moore's law is dead, they kept changing testing methodology even a few weeks before launch, and when they noticed early batches of 9950x etc didn't all passed, they were scared and pulled back

they could of ignored it since the few that didn't pass newer test, passed previous tests, but hey, AMD isn't called Advanced Marketing Disasters for nothing

[naive cloak]

seems like CPU manufacturers hit some kind of limit and they cant advance anymore... or maybe they are just too lazy to advance when they can sell the same stuff again and again

[violet spade]

bit of both

there's only so much you can stretch a silicon wafer

[grave sundial]

What if you tied it to a rope with its two very long ends being pulled in opposite directions by two five-man teams?

[violet spade]

it's too small to attach rope to it

but good thinking

[grave sundial]

Fine. Nano-thread then.

AND the men pulling it have bionic arms, so the thread won't slice off their fingers.

[plush turret]

is this an acceptable drive? https://serverpartdeals.com/products/western-digital-ultrastar-dc-hc550-wuh721816ale6l1-0f38461-16tb-7200-rpm-sata-6gb-s-512e-3-5-recertified-hard-drive?variant=44171900256534

long term and media storage

[fresh fog]

It's a server drive so it's probably going to be loud as hell. I also wouldn't trust refurbished storage

[plush turret]

Loud isnt the issue

I always have music or tv on

[violet spade]

2nd part is more concerning

[mighty patrol]

Yeah imagine how much data has been written to it

[delicate crystal]

would there be any reason to wait a month or two for buying a new system? Wondering if waiting until October would make any difference price or offering wise. Mainly CPU's

[mighty patrol]

Possible sales when next gen gets pumped and dumped.

Also cyber monday still a ways yet but.

[delicate crystal]

makes sense. was looking at a 7950x3d with DDR5-5600 128gig ram, and a raedon 7900 16 gb vid card. Figured at least oen of those will be discounted by october/november

[mighty patrol]

if you hold out till december 2nd may get killer deals

[delicate crystal]

oh? That's good to know. What's then?

[mighty patrol]

cyber monday

Big tech sale

[delicate crystal]

oh nice. I thought that was after american thanksgiving

[mighty patrol]

That is

Unless the internet lied

Wouldnt be the first time

[delicate crystal]

either way I can wait. Kind of sucks because my current rig crashes on UE5, but eh

[mighty patrol]

intel?

[delicate crystal]

amd

[mighty patrol]

😮

[delicate crystal]

the hardware's from 2019 and it's running windows 10 if that helps get a ballpark.

[mighty patrol]

Do you by chance overclock?

Gpu specifically

[delicate crystal]

i dont. Never got into that much. The motherboards an ASUS. vid card's an MSI.

[mighty patrol]

Hmm

gpu crash?

In the stack

[delicate crystal]

possibly. I know the nvidia drivers on this thing seem to be unstable sometimes

i'll play high def video and it'll artifact like mad

[mighty patrol]

Fair i've had to use ddu a few times to fix mine tbh

With 2080 super

[delicate crystal]

1070 ti I think the card is

Threadripper 1920X

[mighty patrol]

Could be gpu failing have you tried benchmarks?

Things like heaven etc

[delicate crystal]

I haven't actually

MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB

That's the gpu card

[mighty patrol]

Worth trying it

Even furmark

[delicate crystal]

will give it a shot. Don't really have much to lose

[mighty patrol]

Worst case it crashes

[delicate crystal]

yep. Fwiw it's the only time it's done a blue screen (knock on wood) in years.

[mighty patrol]

At least could be closer to isolating the issue though

[noble brook]

Hello all i have just a general question and I thought this channel would be appropriate for it. Im looking to buy a laptop for Unreal development, I was thinking about a gaming laptop because the projects that i am working on are quite detailed and memory intensive. I dont know if any of you develop with a laptop, looking for any recommendations. Thanks

[delicate crystal]

so I think I'm getting the wrong hits on google. one wants you to connect to a sever. Another wants 35$ for windows

[mighty patrol]

https://heavenbenchmark.com/windows/download
https://geeks3d.com/furmark/downloads/

[delicate crystal]

wild. set graphics to high, full resolution, ran at almost 60 fps without a hitch

[mighty patrol]

Could be ue setup

I'm still learning that myself

[delicate crystal]

probably. i'm sure it's how it is right out of the box

[opaque pond]

hey what can i do with these specs?

[fallen oasis]

Buy a new laptop.

[opaque pond]

is it THAT bad?

[fallen oasis]

It's not great. How much ram and vram do you have?

The fact it's an integrated gpu as well is a big red flag.

[opaque pond]

15gb and 512mb i think

[fallen oasis]

I'm surprised it can load windows.

[opaque pond]

windows?

why surprised?

[fallen oasis]

I'm exaggerating. 😛

[opaque pond]

ughghh

[grave sundial]

What matters is whether or not it can open Doors ™️ .
It's the next best OS, you know.

[opaque pond]

well i am not even running windows

[median marsh]

then you can do even less (unreal related)

with 512MB VRAM you can watch the splash screen

[opaque pond]

It actually loads up my project

[grave sundial]

This'd be a great exercise in building patience.

I built mine on 128MB VRAM.

HA!

😛

[fervent jolt]

you can also use a laptop like that just fine to RDP into a desktop that you hopefully have instead

[short bramble]

Hi all ! Anyone has any advice for buying an External SSD disk ?

[fresh fog]

What's the main reason for use? Taking portable apps and stuff across machines, taking projects across machines, or just to extend your storage

[short bramble]

To extend my storage. I want something solid and safe about data loss

[fresh fog]

I would consider going for an internal 2.5" drive then. If you can squeeze one in, they don't even need mounting

You're likely going to get much better speeds afaik

Used to be the case at least :P

[violet spade]

You just let it hang off the SATA or what 😛

[short bramble]

I need to install it in the computer itself ?

[fresh fog]

my sata cable gets routed to the back, and i just let it rest free on something in the back.

had it installed for a few years, no issues

the main reason to mount drives is to dampen noise, but ssd's are silent

[fresh fog]

yes, but it's pretty easy

[violet spade]

Internal drives, yes

[fresh fog]

plug a sata cable in both ends

[violet spade]

External drives will always be slower just fyi, USB can’t handle the same xfer speeds

[fresh fog]

which is going to be an issue for unreal. You want that speeeeed

[short bramble]

What do you mean "the main reason to mount drives" ?

[fresh fog]

worked with unreal off external storage before, it's ass

[solid juniper]

A SSD is not safe to store data. SSD have a lifetime of their cells. HDDs are good for simple Backups

[fresh fog]

mounting, as in screwing them into the case

[short bramble]

Oh ok thanks

[fresh fog]

mounted ssds:

[short bramble]

Omg you sure SSD is not safe ? My whole computer has only SSD..

[fresh fog]

that's not true

ssd's are perfectly safe

they have lifetimes, normally around a decade

HDD's also fail, so you always use proper backup procedures

[solid juniper]

It depends on use case. For Backups SSD are bad but for runtime usage there are far better. HDDs are a way to slow for Game Engines or Games

[short bramble]

I guess to work with Unreal I will use my internal SSD (my main disk) that's better. But I want to move out all of my "Backups" and other things like content creations etc... into another safe disk

[fresh fog]

generally the 3 2 1 rule.
3 copies, on 2 different types of media and 1 offsite backup

any drive is going to fail eventually, just be smart with your data and take semi regular images and backups

[fresh fog]

Consider a HDD for that, or even some simple offsite cloud storage.

[solid juniper]

So use SSDs foryour System, Games and Projects and external HDDs for Backups

[fresh fog]

If it's relatively unused and just a backup drive, use HDD's purely because they're cheaper

[short bramble]

So you mean I need to buy a new HDD every 10 years to "save" my projects / games ?

[fresh fog]

No

You just follow the above rule so that when a drive fails you're not shit outta luck

keep regular backups, on different types of media, and an extra backup offsite

It's the golden rule for any serious data storage

[short bramble]

Ok so to resume : I need a SSD for my System / Unreal - Then a HDD for my backups and finally another drive offsite ?

[fresh fog]

That's the general rule. Typically you don't own the other drive, and go for some external storage

[short bramble]

Like a 128gb USB drive ?

[fresh fog]

No

You own a ssd for working from, a hdd for backups, and rent some storage from a cloud provider

[short bramble]

Ok I got it !

Thank you so much !

[fresh fog]

Np

When I say "a drive" it can mean multiple.

You might have 3 ssds you work off, a couple hdda for backup, and rent from a cloud provider

[short bramble]

Now any advices for a HDD to buy ?

[fresh fog]

I work from 2 ssds and still need another :P

[short bramble]

And the 2 SSDs are internal ?

So any brand advices for SSD (work) and HDD (backups) ?

[fresh fog]

I hear the seagate barracuda and wd blue are popular, depends if you want a NAS drive or not

SSD I never go wrong with the crucial mx500

[fresh fog]

I don't really use external storage.

If it's a project, it's on a remote repo, anything else I don't really need to take places

[short bramble]

I don't need to plug it in multiple computers

[fresh fog]

Then just use internal storage

You get a speed hit from external drives

[short bramble]

I read that the Samsung T7 is good

[short bramble]

Ok so I should use internal SSD for work and external HDD for backups ? right?

[fresh fog]

No

Always internal

[short bramble]

Oh ok

[fresh fog]

I mean you could use external hdd, I prefer not to

[short bramble]

No external because of speed ?

[fresh fog]

Indeed

Less important for backups, but hdds are also commonly used to say, store your pictures, word documents etc. Not just backups

[short bramble]

Ok I understand. Thanks a lot !

[mellow galleon]

i strongly dislike such mounted on a backplate ssds, they tend to heat up a lot. they don't get any air flow and residual heat from cpu heats them up as well

[fresh fog]

I've never been a huge fan of them. If I ever mount mine they most certainly don't go there

For pretty much the same reason

Mine gets some much better airflow where it is "loose"

[minor veldt]

Where do you put your SSDs then?

[fresh fog]

I put them loose in the back. There's a little space of no cable, so they go there.

Sometimes if I'm not comfortable with where it is, it gets some double sides tape on it, because I don't have any great mounting points

[mellow galleon]

in my case 2 140mm frontal fans cool the hdds (above) /ssds (bwlow)

[fresh fog]

Looks pretty good.

Whenever I build my next rig I definitely need to make better case decisions 😆

Had to pull the drive cage out, hence the loose ssds

What case is that?

[mellow galleon]

Aresze Enclave 8002

idk if you ever find one on sale, i got mine in 2014

just changing filling when upgrading

[fresh fog]

Yeah, doesn't even appear to be a brand we can get in the UK :P

Pretty nice case though, plenty of drive bays.

[median marsh]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/quiet-Black-Mid-Tower-preinstalled-BG034/dp/B07TSG8D54 i'm kinda happy with that one

afaik only got 2x 2,5" mounting points tho

and i think it can get a bit tight with an AIO and large GPU

[mellow galleon]

is front panel solid or just looks like it? definetly doesnt look for air cooling imo

[median marsh]

it is, there's mesh on the sides tho

[fresh fog]

I'm probably going to end up with one of the many fractal design ones when I rebuild.

Very very airflow friendly.
Though my work rig was built in a PopAir, and they replaced the mesh front with solid panel for some reason, so it was a little space heater.

Nice toasty 90ºC compilations in summer :P

[median marsh]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/quiet-computer-radiators-tempered-BGW37/dp/B087D7DBW6 there's also this

if you can deal with a glass sidepanel

now i wonder if i could replace my front panel with the DX one :>

i had a fractal before, and that thing was heavy AF

[agile lodge]

any tower cases?

[median marsh]

oh cool, they sell that stuff separate, 45euro tho -_-

should've bought the DX to begin with and the steel panel for 15 bucks 😦

[mellow galleon]

nowadays finding good cases with 1 slot for 5.25 / 4+ 3.5 and 1+ 2.5+ is a pain

[median marsh]

why do you want that even?

[mellow galleon]

i did look a lot when trying to find similar but they all had terrible aiflow choises

[fresh fog]

Hard enough to find a 5.25 lol.

I kinda get it tho, optical is a dying medium as sad as it is.

[median marsh]

no, it's good

[fresh fog]

Kinda want a floppy drive for funsies tho

[median marsh]

there hasn't been any innovation since BR

[mellow galleon]

i need bdrom drive

[fresh fog]

I never said it was bad, just that it's dying, which is true

[median marsh]

wish LTO drives would be cheaper 😦

but still 700+ for LTO4

[mellow galleon]

because you get more money by selling subscriptions on a website compared to selling single dvd per user

user would be afraid loosing everything subscribed, while dvd is nearly eternal

[median marsh]

i had lot's of CDs which got bad over the years

idk if DVD/BR is less prone to that

[mellow galleon]

yea, depends on a brand

[median marsh]

there's M-DISC tho, they advertise it as really reliable (and most modern BR drives can write them)

[agile lodge]

there is some innovation reseach for quartz glass and some have being using that but not on consumer use yet

[mellow galleon]

when i tried to boost my c&c collection cd drive it failed to read, i was very sad. 3% of unreadable sectors

original gold disc from 2003

[agile lodge]

ms thing for that field https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/project-silica/?msockid=20e7339f1b31646b14d2201d1abe65e8

[fresh fog]

Ouch 😔

I've still got my generals: zero hour disk around here somewhere

Not that I could use the disk, don't have an optical drive 😆

[fallen oasis]

I still have my wc2 and btdp expansion boxes and cds.

[delicate crystal]

anyone have any case recommendations in the mini or micro atx world? Looking to avoid getting a system that weighs a ton

[grave sundial]

My new CPU cabinet has been made by Fractal. A full 13 KG. 😄

[fallen oasis]

Only 13kg? Weaksauce!

[grave sundial]

You can come to my house to lift it around, then.

For free...

[grave sundial]

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/product-security/bulletin/amd-sb-7014.html - This came in the Indian news a few days ago. If you're using AMD, make sure you've got the necessary updates AND check your motherboard's manufacturer's website for BIOS updates.

[agile lodge]

new amd cpus seems not perform as expected by reviews

[grave sundial]

I think those review CPUs are usually 'rigged' by the manufacturer, so to speak. They perform better than the every day product, especially with specific software.

Regardless, I'd wait for more testing. Didn't those new thingies just release?

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/PkOoEPTqB-Q?si=eQQV02rpAsANYDMi

[grave sundial]

Yeah, those are the new ones, no?
Give them a few weeks to see all the crappiness and awesomeness in them.

BUT, if they truly are crappy, maybe those 'enthusiasts' will skip them entirely and we'll get to buy them at rock-bottom prices.

😄

[mighty cosmos]

That is a bit of a clickbait lol
From the benchmarks I'm watching at the moment it's actually a pretty decent bump, probably can skip if you are on a 7950x tho

that's a pretty major upgrade for me from a 5950x

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/eq2ZKTyPK9c?si=GS09hYnFnyGbJsrO

[mighty cosmos]

Apparently 9950x requires core parking to be enabled, and a lot of reviewers weren't informed of this which results in drastically lower performance

source: gamers nexus video

[grave sundial]

What is core parking?

How do you enable it and where is it?

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-dunder-mifflin-parking-bad-parking-gif-26063154

[mighty cosmos]

https://youtu.be/iyA9DRTJtyE?t=300

basically the exact same thing that x3d cpus need

[grave sundial]

My x3d CPU is arriving tomorrow, probably.

I didn't know this. Thanks for pointing it out.

@mighty cosmos I think I might not have to do that. I ordered a 7800x3D.

I wonder if there's a secret circuit I have to press that will instantly get me 500% performance gain, but requires a nano-tech screwdriver to touch.

[small stratus]

Just an update to my problem. Works fine using Ubuntu OS and i have found someone with pretty much the same specs and also getting the same crash

[mighty cosmos]

🤣

[short bramble]

Anyone is using trackball to work ?

Is it better than a "light" mouse ?

I'm looking for changing my mouse but I don't know if it's better to use a trackball or not, to be more relaxed and work longer

[mighty cosmos]

if you value your sanity please use an actual mouse with an optical sensor or laser at minimum

[short bramble]

Lol why sainty ? I have like a shoulder pain coming and I don't know if it's the mouse the problem..

[mighty cosmos]

It might be just me but the lack of accuracy that would come from a trackball would drive me absolutely insane lol

Might wanna take a lot into some of those ergonomic vertical mice, if that's something that would help you

[short bramble]

I tried vertical mice but it did not help unfortunately =/

I don't know if it's a chair/desk problem or mice 😦

[mighty cosmos]

ah, haven't really used any of the ergonomic ones so can't really recommend anything

[short bramble]

Ok thank you, I will wait if somebody else has any experiences

[wind egret]

I once used one of these:

Pretty bad for desktop use, but surprisingly adequate for shooters.

[short bramble]

I saw the trackball for thumbs like this one but many people said that they got thumbs pain

But with the trackball "pad" (for fingers) they said it's very comfortable

[wind egret]

Would probably hurt if your instinct is to press on it.

I've always wanted to try a full size trackball, but the quality on the cheaper ones is dubious.

[short bramble]

I guess you have to put like 160$ minimum to have a good quality trackball, right ?

[short bramble]

I think in one week I can get used to it

[wind egret]

I mostly built that opinion from an in-store demo of the logitech trackballs. The more expensive option felt much smoother.

[grave sundial]

If you feel a shoulder pain coming along, stretching exercises will do you a lot of good.

Google physiotherapy shoulder, arm, and wrist exercises. Don't follow the muscle building ones at first.

You can also look up Athlean-X - Jeff Cavalier on YouTube, he's an actual physiotherapist.

For your wrist, you can buy a mousepad with a wristguard or wristbrace. They are very cheap, not very durable, but you can manage them well enough to give your wrist the rest it needs.

For the shoulder, there's not much you can do. It starts cramping because it's in one position for a long time, especially the mouse arm. So, stretching and resting is the way to go.

[short bramble]

My wrist is ok. I only have this shoulder pain. So I need to work out my shoulders to make them stronger and do shoulder stretching exercises ?

And yes it's only the mouse shoulder, not the kb

[grave sundial]

Just physiotherapy shoulder exercises.

You'll have to do it lightly and regularly.

Then, the pain will go away and never return.

Basically, you activate all the muscles in the shoulder and let them know you're not ignoring them and keeping them stuck in one position, thereby cramping them.

The physio exercises also activate your back muscles, providing more support to your shoulder.

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How regularly do I have to do these exercises ? Every morning or every 2-3 hours ?

[grave sundial]

Once a day usually works. But, you can do it twice or thrice, if you feel any benefit from them.

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Ok thank you very much, I will try these exercises when I wake up before working

[grave sundial]

You'll have to eventually get the wrist support, too. The whole arm-shoulder-back is one system. So, one thing going bonkers won't necessarily reflect on that site itself. The problem can manifest in another part of the body. Such as back and shoulder aching BECAUSE the wrist is being pressured.

[short bramble]

Do you have any wrist support to recommend ?

That I can buy on Amazon for example

[grave sundial]

one second.

https://www.amazon.in/STRIFF-Gel_Wrist_Support-Gaming-Nonslip-Computer/dp/B0CKF8QQLF

I use this.

[short bramble]

But I already have a mouse pad

[grave sundial]

You can place a handkerchief or thick GSM tissue paper - folded - on the wrist rest area, so that the cloth doesn't wear out quickly. Quality isn't great on these, but they do the job.

Do you have a mouse pad with a bump rest for your wrist?

[short bramble]

No but I really love my actual mouse pad. Can't I just buy the wrist support alone ?

[grave sundial]

No. But you can DIY.

Fold thick tissues - the ones that don't tear - and create a bump.

You can tie it to your wrist, or glue it to the mousepad.

You can also use multiple armbands - layered - to create a support, but it might heat up your wrist in the long-term.

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Is this good enough ? I found a solo wrist support https://www.amazon.com/VAYDEER-Keyboard-Padded-Support-Computer/dp/B08C56DKS5/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2QCQONQD32G1P&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0EgmbgIVH1eux5_Du7gEQW_Ytn8WZ-ynVimtkDOa7NszT2DI77RHpQV0RSmjEh0nKxS4idkO6qGk14_Br6B1CkyphVBM8BbdtuuHbrfnFNk6aS_uglVOL04g6YKwH4z4jtaKaoua4ZXA1SDNDyhl-0UFULSwpIL-80ukiXFTJSQSoScY_jwmLYW0Afh1aIBAZTnyqexp2B7EZPUFw0XI4NlLyE6ri9sJi6EypKYLdDlXbQ6Au4cQPGQPlMcdPSxBZllkx9JOPZMIFB7HFbHUL9zB1Nm1Bf7BJDqEW8mmm30.kDQmWcTIqBm3P74Bbv2FJcZo6satcpfWINDQvtKgumU&dib_tag=se&keywords=wrist+support+for+mouse+vaydeer&qid=1723673113&sprefix=wrist+support+for+mouse+vaydee%2Caps%2C137&sr=8-5

[grave sundial]

You can try it out. The end result should be that your wrist is level with your fingers when you place them on your mouse.

To put it simpler, your hand should be straight while on the mouse, not slanted upwards - fingers pointed upwards.

[short bramble]

Ok I guess I'll try this + the exercises. Thank you so much!