lounge

[summer cedar]

no.

please don't.

[unborn lotus]

Heard the new cpus are good

[proud jay]

it's time to buy intel

[summer cedar]

🙂

Invest in Trump Coin. Best shares. 😛

[unborn lotus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/s/17oQDfDHsi

[proud jay]

I know

[summer cedar]

Is that reddit post baiting people?
'Grandma died'.... feels that way.

[proud jay]

baiting how lol

it's wsb

[summer cedar]

Sorry, I don't follow that.
Is it supposed to be reliable?

[proud jay]

you should trust them with your life

they call themselves retards so they speak the truth

[summer cedar]

hehe.

[cursive crypt]

Intel is dead, long live Intel.

[summer cedar]

Hmm. They should be rechristened Wintel, in my honour.

😛

To work or to play games.

That is the question.

🤔

Or to sit in limbo for a while.

That is also a question.

[queen isle]

ugh unreal crashing

[proud jay]

probably your crap code causing it

[fathom wadi]

in all fairness I had a crash last night when I was merely tweaking the rest pose of a skeletal mesh.

I take no credit for the code underneath 🙂

[summer cedar]

It's your fault.

[cursive crypt]

Which bones you have been touching?

[fathom wadi]

upperarm_l and r

[summer cedar]

My e-gpu enclosure is almost here.

The local courier has it; they should've delivered it today; the lazy twats.

[fathom wadi]

something I completely didn't realise until I needed it, but I get my medication through delivery services. They prioritise medicines for delivery so if they get backed up then the normal deliveries get pushed back too. So now I try order my medication alongside other deliveries so I get priority 😄

[summer cedar]

Well, a GPU is a good capsule for many ailments.

How to shove it down one's gullet is.... problematic though.

[fathom wadi]

definitely helps

you running a laptop for development?

[summer cedar]

laptop workstation, yes.

But, it lacks the capacity for a modern gpu sadly.

It is 10 years old.

[fathom wadi]

what kind of work? I always presume the latency on data transfer would be problematic for game dev at high end

[summer cedar]

Right now, modelling, level design, and a bit of AI image generation.

Oh yeah, ZBrush, UE, and Blender.

Actually, the gtx 970m inside this baby runs UE fine, without lumen and that high falutin ray tracing stuff.

BUT, if I can save a lot of money by just upgrading with an eGPU for now, that'd be dandy. I have decided to be the guinea pig for this, after all; bless the Chinese for making eGPU enclosures cheap.

[fathom wadi]

well it's not something I would risk money on but I guess it would be fine for offline work. And offline rendering can always be farmed out anyway. I'd have to have a good reason for it though like I was enslaved in a corporate machine pumping out MTX like the first wave of NFTs and I had to work on the road. But if that was my job I'd like quit and move to Nebraska.

[summer cedar]

The risk is $150; no problems.

That's how cheap the enclosures have become now.

As for the actual GPU, if the enclosure is a dud, I'll just use it in a new build. 😄

Ok, to be fair, $150 plus import duties depending on where you live.

[queen isle]

always supportive 🥰

[summer cedar]

That's Dieter being his best self.

[celest musk]

you aren't really working in UE if you don't crash it 5 times a day

[cursive crypt]

ue4 - four times a day

[summer cedar]

can it handle 20k textures without crashing though?

especially for cursors.

[celest musk]

i think 8k is the limit anyways

[summer cedar]

Some twat will find a way to break it, I am sure.

[broken sigil]

Same here

When I used to host servers for some games I used to play with friends my private and public ip would change randomly every few days and every time when restarting the router and I would need to update the port forwarding

[summer cedar]

🤔 Courier guy says he tried to deliver a package today, but I wasn't home.

I hope he comes tomorrow morning. I hate putting my evening walks off for anyone.

If he runs away with my eGPU, I'll sick my e-canines to hunt him down.

🐶

[median wraith]

That's typical in spain

[celest musk]

i bet it will be raindust

[median wraith]

https://statics.memondo.com/p/s1/aves/2023/12/AVE_1968983_a9058a09e6eb45db8860bee5fbfe7ad7_trabajo_el_empleado_perfecto_1200px.jpg?cb=5789810

"Yesterday you didn't came to the interview"

• There was nobody
• Hired

[queen isle]

https://9to5mac.com/2024/08/07/subreddits-could-be-paywalled/

[proud jay]

that would just kill the sub lol

and who is gonna post for free on a sub that you need to pay to see

[fathom wadi]

people pay for OF when there's plenty of free stuff around. Depends on the content I guess 🙂

[proud jay]

But then they would have to give money to the posters

But they like money too much

[median wraith]

same goes for Taylor Swift

The only real fact is all have a poor sexual life

[summer cedar]

Sorry for the late replies, but my computer crashed while updating NVidia drivers.

Apparently, having Discord opened at the same time was a problem. 😄

I had to do a system restore and reinstall Discord. 😄

[summer cedar]

I wonder if his username will be readable with 20k textures.

[median wraith]

now we got this unreal thing too

[fathom wadi]

got link?

the contrast ..... the contrast

oh I meant for the unreal version that was limited

couldnt give two shoots about godot tbh. Still waiting for the bugger

[celest musk]

that's SD or what?

[fathom wadi]

I always thought quixel mixer would get some investment in that direction or maybe I'm just jiving conjecture in my head

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/blaze-the-cat-blaze-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-cat-gif-22989790

[summer cedar]

Okay. Let's do this again and see if I can crash the computer twice with the same stupidity.

encourage me! 😄

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-entourage-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-6148106

[summer cedar]

I'll take it.

👍

[fathom wadi]

hmm got to be honest, as I'm not really a shader guru by any means, most of that texture graph is just words to me. I know what they mean but I don't know how to string a sentence together with them 😄

[median wraith]

this had a unreal dev grant

is made on godot

thats the mix

interesting that you can make pixel art too

[summer cedar]

no dice.

560.81 seems to be problematic.

Discord wasn't the culprit; just the unfortunate victim. 😄

Yeah. I thought of doing that, but it's probably better to wait for the next driver update.
The one from June-July is working fine, so...

Apparently, making a system restore point doesn't store the windows cumulative update.

So... I have to restart my computer once more to finish re-installing it. 😓

[celest musk]

meanwhile....

$ uptime
 19:39:57 up 46 days

i don't leave it on either

suspend to ram

[summer cedar]

@trail ore Seems like 560.81 is causing problems for a few computers. Reddit and steam forums have a few threads.

---

I haven't left my computer on overnight in ages, I think especially after upgrading my internet connection. Everything downloads quickly.

No, but I used to leave it on overnight to download 30GB games and such, with the slow internet.

I think Door OS would require downloading each time it boots.
That'd be a cool feature.

[celest musk]

you could technically boot from the internet

[summer cedar]

with which os?

[celest musk]

any

[fleet tangle]

Network boot has been a thing for ages.

You can even install an os remotely.

Well, depending on your definition of remotely.

[celest musk]

yea, made a setup for my old company, where all the production pc's get an image each week automatically

so i updated one machine, and pushed the image to all clients

well, that was local network with PXE, but i'm pretty sure PXE boot would also work over internet

[proud jay]

new and improved 1440p

[median wraith]

Why normal is Normaaaaaaal ?

[proud jay]

cause it's dutch

[median wraith]

Why the heck didn't ported it as Normal as everyone

[celest musk]

aren't translated user interfaces bugging you?

[median wraith]

Normal is normal and no is no, always

[median wraith]

that's maybe because you have to pay the premium versions

[proud jay]

I normally neve open that

[proud jay]

I have premium, get owned

[median wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-tears-cry-bubbles-powerpuff-girls-gif-14925459385269277506

[proud jay]

(it actually fixed itself after like 3 sec btw)

[celest musk]

we are happy for you

[median wraith]

@proud jay you are the expert of machines is there something better than Kärcher for a water vacuum cleaner ?

[celest musk]

probably

[proud jay]

I have a karcher steam cleaner

karcher is pretty good for water devices ime

[median wraith]

was looking for this thing "SE 4001 Plus"

isn't steam but is water

for the car and chair etc

🤔

[proud jay]

so it's spouting out water?

[median wraith]

textile elements

[celest musk]

oO

[median wraith]

I think so

[celest musk]

you would get something else for that usually

the thing you show is more for floors

look for steam cleaner

[median wraith]

every single video I see of someone cleaning the chairs of the car is using something alike this

[celest musk]

alike

is that with steam?

[median wraith]

same type

nope, is with sprayed water

[celest musk]

i would recommend something with steam

that gets pretty much anything out of textils

[median wraith]

https://youtu.be/kdObtwDnNZs?t=1082

[celest musk]

ideally with some vacuum, so it sucks the nasty shit off

[median wraith]

every video is like that

the steam cleaner seems to be used for non textile things

[celest musk]

both

[median wraith]

and what do you use for suck ?

the whole point of this is it suck all the shit

the steam ones don't ?

[celest musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJeeU623r7E

[median wraith]

those aren't textile

https://youtu.be/Pctzq_pT2MU?t=727

[celest musk]

get whatever you want

it was just a recommendation...

[median wraith]

I mean the steam one looks nice for the rest of the elements not gonna lie

[celest musk]

it IS perfect for textils

[median wraith]

usually are more costly etc

[celest musk]

because it can/will loosen all the stuff that's in there

ideally you suck it off with some vacuum which can handle water

[median wraith]

yeah that's the point of this one I pointed

all those are to suck water

the spray is optional

[celest musk]

the one you pointed does it with chemicals tho?

[median wraith]

that's optional on your wish

[celest musk]

if you got really messed up textils, like stains from liquids, etc.

[proud jay]

why did I read that as messed up testicles

[median wraith]

maybe it works too

better than the steam one for that parts

[torn totem]

burgor

[proud jay]

Ok

[torn totem]

yes

I am bored

so I am making an eotech sight

[torn totem]

I do 3d modeling...

[proud jay]

Time to learn something new

[median wraith]

Someone else have issues with Instagram since the last update?

[ornate night]

people seem to hate my way of coding, I thought people loved Russian Roulette If Statements... My Programming Pals Did Not.... (C#) /j

[zinc wagon]

i reckon this is way more cursed lol

btw this is a real function

there's also is_computer_on_fire lol

[celest musk]

i have that in my unreal code base :>

[zinc wagon]

if(is_computer_on_fire() > 100.0)
{
  //do even more work
}

[celest musk]

at least 2 indie games where i had to manually add t.maxfps to the DefaultEngine.ini of the game

because they ran with unlimited framerate

idk how some devs turn that on by default either ways

lately noticed that sc2 was burning through my gpu, and it ran at >500fps 😄

[zinc wagon]

so the elite gamers™️ wouldnt start bitching about low framerates which is a treat of competitive games that is starting to leak to casual games from what i've seen

[zinc wagon]

the thing with cs2 to me it feels odd if i cap it's framerate to anything under 120fps for me lol. like even at 90fps the movement feels...sticky

[surreal marten]

saw this message marked as spam in introductions....

[carmine wraith]

and?

who even looks at introductions? what is the question?

omfg, "top-notch game design company" i am not qualified to speak to you

[surreal marten]

lmao

[empty dune]

listed every single tool and language in existence

im not qualified to breathe the same air as this person

[surreal marten]

fr

[cursive crypt]

Some techs are missing tho

[surreal marten]

he got so much knowledge but got marked as spam 😔

[broken sigil]

I should list every programming language and framework I glanced at or briefly thought about as having experience with it

[cursive crypt]

I have been hearing about c# and rust here, I should add them to my list.

[broken sigil]

I've been hearing so much about html, php, js, css in #programmer-hangout from ~~ not~~ that I should probably add those too

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-gif-12919357

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-dancing-cat-chinese-dancing-cat-funny-cat-meme-cat-gif-18059553370350307210

[cursive crypt]

talking about cats, these little shits started to fight & yell below the window like @ 1 am

[broken sigil]

lol

[white oxide]

Firecracker

How i keep the neighbors goats off my lawn

[cursive crypt]

goats are cool

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/freestyle-swimming-olympics-swimming-swim-race-10km-marathon-swimming-gif-22593753

[brittle holly]

@empty dune here so you can cream your pants. I didn’t watch it cause I’m not really into WH stuff https://youtu.be/H8u9fkZL3GI?si=rl_osU0MefI0Gf3n

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/marla-dog-marla-dance-dog-dance-funny-dog-gypsy-dog-gif-21388799

[empty dune]

youre 24 hours too late my friend

😙

[cursive crypt]

Is that the next uuh... what was the name of that live service space bug killing game?

[empty dune]

helldivers 2

[cursive crypt]

starship troopers

[empty dune]

probably

[cursive crypt]

ah ye

so, is that the next helldrivers2

[empty dune]

most likely yeah

[cursive crypt]

looks kinda warhammer

[unborn lotus]

hell drivers 2 takes place in the balkans

[brittle holly]

Ah mb

The next helldivers 2 would be helldivers 3 😛

[surreal marten]

the suit reminds me of that famous board game

what was the name

warhammer

yea

[empty dune]

🤣

[unborn lotus]

are you sure it's not DnD?

[empty dune]

Pathfinder with new rules

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-mass-effect-andromeda-scott-scott-ryder-bioware-gif-10354267261727931022

on olympics there is open water swimming in seine

[summer cedar]

Space Marines 2 looks good.

I like the combat and hopefully, it plays as smoothly in proper multiplayer.

What I am really interested in is how Capt. Titus is going to stage a come back, go after the inquisition, and turn their overly righteous arses into so much splatter on their barge walls.

[queen isle]

It's called war hammer, yet they use guns, curious

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-gif-18465926

[surreal marten]

they cant use their warhammer for combat 💀

[proud jay]

they fight against hammers

[summer cedar]

They do have thunder hammers.

https://media.tenor.com/D2LEGgM5wIsAAAAM/hammer-40k.gif

[queen isle]

oh nice, now i look dumb

[empty dune]

let me introduce you to the thunder hammer

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-40k-video-game-gif-12881358

[proud jay]

you can buy the hammer to paint it for only 299

[median wraith]

Good game

[summer cedar]

Well, they can always include more hammers.

I'd love to see throwable carpentry hammers.

Orbital hammer bombardment.

Hammer missile launchers.

Hammer turrets.

Psyker hammer spell assault.

Of course, the all-important children's edition ™️ hammer.

You have to start young to train the best hammer marines.

And you can buy your own copy for $599, real-life, full-fledged edition.

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/dolunay-can-yaman-ferit-aslan-fridge-cold-drink-gif-17880283

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-inquisitor-animation-gif-11451698933309805399

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/hammering-fun-hammer-smol-joes-smol-joes-community-smashing-gif-913941548280399956

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lights-flashing-electric-gif-27001990

[proud jay]

not sure if cat lying on a light or if he ate 3 glowing balls

[empty dune]

He's charging up his aoe, clear the area

[summer cedar]

He's attaining enlightenment.
That's the beginning of the Great Cat Stage 1 of cat spirituality.

[proud jay]

this was peak gaming https://youtu.be/cL5zBFPUZxc

shrek is love shrek is life

can't wait for shrek 5 to come out in 2026

[celest musk]

TIL that shrek games exist

[proud jay]

I played it so much back in the day

true

well

that's on you for using JS

you need to kill the person that chose it and take their place

[summer cedar]

Take the power you want.

Be the JS you know you to be.

[shy veldt]

I just finished doing proper secure login and such for my MMO system. I decided just to go with Firebase for auth for simplicity when making the Client application + metrics, less hair pulling that other methods Ive used in years past.

However, I have a feeling they are making you use a specific stack considering you're being forced to us JS 🙃

[proud jay]

I don't think he's doing it for a game

in which case JS makes a lot of sense at least for the front end part

[sour shuttle]

realizing I've spent 8 years worrying and working on the wrong things in game dev.

Need to go back to basics and make a few small projects just to prove to myself (and publishers) that I can finish projects with a release date.

I have no idea how to think this small anymore. Does anyone have any advice for how to remedy this scenario?

[shy veldt]

That's what I'm thinking now too after seeing react too

[sour shuttle]

I have a friend who wrote an entire mmo front to back in GO
@nimble pike

[shy veldt]

Enter game jams, John Carmack is literally in multiple throught the year after stepping down a bit from Oculus.

[shy veldt]

I used GoLang too! I love its multithreading capabilities and simplicity. Allows for a nice scalable system that allows for both TCP and UDP traffic even which has benefits a game charger with some combat in my mmo

[nimble pike]

I have been summoned?

[shy veldt]

Like golang is superior backend lol

[nimble pike]

no offerings? FOR SHAME!

[sour shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/zhu-li-gif-27319109

[nimble pike]

https://tenor.com/bc6bk.gif

[sour shuttle]

I noticed MMO speak and I mentioned your time in GO and apparently it's a mutal feeling for @shy veldt

[nimble pike]

thumbs up

[proud jay]

why would you write an entire game in Go though

like the backend of it I could see

[nimble pike]

@proud jay cause I can.

tokes

[shy veldt]

Lmao 🤣 Nice to see another Go person is here 🙂 Literally has been a life saver over Java and never regretted switching lol

[proud jay]

I like Go

but I like c# more

Go sometimes is a bit too verbose cause if its simplicity

[sour shuttle]

those seems like different use cases. like I wouldn't compare c++ to c#

[proud jay]

but it's also what makes it nice

[nimble pike]

Display settings concept, with full game controller support 😛

Full in-game keyboard with game controller support

I have no life

[shy veldt]

I like Go for backend only so far. I have only made like one client sided Go client and that was a testing tool

[nimble pike]

so i code to code for coding to code is the true code to code

[shy veldt]

Same, I make things for fun since I do a few businesses and mainly take game contracts that are fun

[nimble pike]

i don't make things for fun, I code things to code them lol

[shy veldt]

Most time is spent on things like this backend or recently my new web dev and software dev firm

[nimble pike]

cause why the hell not

[shy veldt]

Some things just need to exist

Guessing you are one that hates plugins too? 😅😭🤣

[nimble pike]

? nope

i code those as well.

[shy veldt]

I would always rather do a for scratch attempt furst if it's an interesting concept

[nimble pike]

https://bioblaze.itch.io/twitchplugin

[shy veldt]

Oh I'll make them, I just find it more fun to make it than use it

Ooh you made the twitch plguin???

[nimble pike]

plugins, scripts, classes, :p

all the same just fun to code

[sour shuttle]

depends on the thing, but I tend to agree coding for sake of coding is fun... if you have a clear goal

[nimble pike]

I wrote this back when there wasn't a twitch plugin, and it was written for UE4 so so long ago

https://tenor.com/bEppd.gif

[shy veldt]

Yes. It's always fun like solving a puzzle

[shy veldt]

You helped a lot of indie studios lol

[nimble pike]

;p i won't say a word but blah

[sour shuttle]

until you have to touch android

[shy veldt]

I work with stand alone VR

[sour shuttle]

same

[shy veldt]

Since VR is fun but also a bane

[nimble pike]

it was fun to code XD did it cause someone told me I couldn't on a livestream

so I coded the whole thing on the livestream lolol

[shy veldt]

I'm like the person that can get anything to package on android too lol

[sour shuttle]

vr was my fast track to learning all sorts of CS and math since I didn't go to school

[nimble pike]

😛

<--- != VR Compatiable

[sour shuttle]

nah there's just.... always something in the way

[shy veldt]

Oh they told me AI would replace me years ago when I was a chef. I did just enough contributions over the past 5 years to make sure AI would take their jobs first :3

So I understand petty in coding :3

[shy veldt]

Eh ya, that's why like I've had to learn everything that could be in the way specifically for VR 🙃 https://www.atlasendgames.com/ what another dev and I made with some team help with art and QA

[sour shuttle]

haha I know them

[nimble pike]

I don't do VR i've explained my reasonings to @sour shuttle

[shy veldt]

Ahh ya, Nate and I are the AE devs :3

[sour shuttle]

until I tell him he can't on live stream 😉

[shy veldt]

Lmao 🤣

[nimble pike]

even if u did, I don't own VR equipment

thus i woulnd't care

[shy veldt]

Bait him into it lol

[nimble pike]

not spending money to win a online argument

lolol

[sour shuttle]

wouldn't be my first time buying people vr headsets. I must have bought like 10 quest devices by now

maybe more

[nimble pike]

lame ass

[shy veldt]

Lmao not 10

But have def given away half a dozen

To friends I wanted to test stuff

And they still play so it's useful :3

Was a good investment

[nimble pike]

tokes

[sour shuttle]

well I find teams that I think would bennefit the industry and I donate headsets to them in exchange for them getting their plugins or projects working in VR mode. Or budding developers who want to get into it

[nimble pike]

yawns

[sour shuttle]

at this point I'm so tired of fighting the engine that I need to step back and just actually complete something

[proud jay]

just make a game engine in Go

[shy veldt]

That's super nice of you! I am trying to figure out what is the next like VR game well see cross play on with normal PC and VR

[sour shuttle]

I'd rather get Stride to a workable place

[nimble pike]

funny enough I accidently did, someone pointed out to me randomly

didn't even realize it until he told me

lolol

[sour shuttle]

all my projects are focussed on being that

[proud jay]

how do you accidentally make a game engine

[shy veldt]

I tested the possibility, it's easier to give it a stripped down unreal server client and like wrap the ue server in it

[nimble pike]

well I build the subsystems for building out the game, then systems for handling menus, then handling images, then handling audio, then commucating to backend servers

[sour shuttle]

the mobile rendering pipeline is the bane of my existence

[proud jay]

that doesn't sound accidental at all

[nimble pike]

then game controller support, steam support, steam controller support, steam input support, steam deck support

then linux, and windows

[shy veldt]

Ohh you'll like MMOP lol not announced yet as a game, but adding VR support to it for cross play

[nimble pike]

and yeah was fun

didn't realize it was a game engine until someone told me and now I've written 4-5 game concepts with it in a week

[shy veldt]

Wait what how do you accidentally make a game engine?

[nimble pike]

or so

[shy veldt]

And lmao

Rendering something

Then added more features

To the renderer

[nimble pike]

you make abuncha subsystems and they fit like legos, and you didn't realize untilt he last minute

[proud jay]

where can we see your Go game?

[shy veldt]

Until you had movement and collision?

[proud jay]

I'm interested in the result

[nimble pike]

haven't opensourced it, pushing my first game out with it though. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1742110/Demon_Lord_Clicker/

Steam

Demon Lord: Clicker

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here is 1 of the next concepts im working on, not 100% done this is game 5 currently

all of the games interconnect, and all manage the same construct of the storyline

[shy veldt]

Isekai storyline, love it 🤣

[nimble pike]

like here is my steamworks golang sdk i wrote

im going to have to rewrite it going to do a full C++ dll, that loads steam's dll, then have it manage everything in C++ before sending it over to golang

to make it WAY DAMN EASIER

cause I hate using pointers so god damn much in go

so god damn much

pure hatred

pure pure pure hatred

var (
    kernel32             = syscall.NewLazyDLL("kernel32.dll")
    user32               = syscall.NewLazyDLL("user32.dll")
    procShowWindow       = user32.NewProc("ShowWindow")
    procGetConsoleWindow = kernel32.NewProc("GetConsoleWindow")
    getConsoleWindow     = kernel32.NewProc("GetConsoleWindow")
    findWindow           = user32.NewProc("FindWindowW")
    sendMessage          = user32.NewProc("SendMessageW")
    ntdll                = syscall.NewLazyDLL("ntdll.dll")
    procRtlGetVersion    = ntdll.NewProc("RtlGetVersion")
)

const (
    SW_HIDE  = 0
    WM_CLOSE = 0x0010
)

type OSVersionInfoEx struct {
    dwOSVersionInfoSize uint32
    dwMajorVersion      uint32
    dwMinorVersion      uint32
    dwBuildNumber       uint32
    dwPlatformId        uint32
    szCSDVersion        [128]uint16
    wServicePackMajor   uint16
    wServicePackMinor   uint16
    wSuiteMask          uint16
    wProductType        byte
    wReserved           byte
}

func getWindowsVersion() (major, minor uint32, err error) {
    var osvi OSVersionInfoEx
    osvi.dwOSVersionInfoSize = uint32(unsafe.Sizeof(osvi))
    r, _, err := procRtlGetVersion.Call(uintptr(unsafe.Pointer(&osvi)))
    if r != 0 {
        return 0, 0, err
    }
    return osvi.dwMajorVersion, osvi.dwMinorVersion, nil
}

func closeConsoleWindowWin11() {
    hwnd, _, _ := getConsoleWindow.Call()
    if hwnd == 0 {
        consoleClassName, _ := windows.UTF16PtrFromString("ConsoleWindowClass")
        hwnd, _, _ = findWindow.Call(uintptr(unsafe.Pointer(consoleClassName)), 0)
    }
    if hwnd != 0 {
        sendMessage.Call(hwnd, WM_CLOSE, 0, 0)
    }
}

func hideConsoleWindow() {
    hwnd, _, _ := procGetConsoleWindow.Call()
    if hwnd != 0 {
        procShowWindow.Call(hwnd, SW_HIDE)
    }
}

also if anyone doens't know this if you try and close your damn console window in windows 11 doesn't work you have todo abuncha stupid workaround stuff

😐

so dumb

sick of pointers

[shy veldt]

Will that work with like Steams DLL policy?

[sour shuttle]

all my projects are meant to be crossplay between vr and non vr as well as all vr to vr systems.

There's still some things to work out that I'm unsure of. Like I can't really use animation system for something I want so I need something more like sequencer, but I don't think I can use it as is.

also the rendering pipeline has been such a PITA. like no post, no hdr, no distance field... basically need to manually craft all the data I need by hand and it's prevented me from making truly open world things.

I don't use baked lighting among other things.

[nimble pike]

yes, sinc eim not modifying the dll

[shy veldt]

Niiiice!

[nimble pike]

just loading the dll, into another dll, dll inception

haven't attempted yet so its all theory

[sour shuttle]

if only steam worked for android

[nimble pike]

right now im doing a massive refactor so the next 4 games are all perfectly drag/drop into the project

[sour shuttle]

wouldn't need to use EOS

[nimble pike]

@sour shuttle i got steam working on android ;3

just not in the way you think is all.

[sour shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-yeah-nice-christian-bale-duck-face-gif-6054793

[shy veldt]

Ahh so we love the same kind of games probably! If you want a non vR game thats amazing to play cross play with a VR mod, Risk of Rain 2; you basically can out perform normal players if actually good and accurate irl :3 Oh I can help you with open world things too, I'm I'm reason AE went from a TDN to an open world BR

[nimble pike]

@sour shuttle what i did, is added standard openid for steam then I have it linked to the account, I store whatever changes need to be made like giving them items, etc and then tell them next time you login on your steam account's game you'll beable to receive them.

works flawlessly bro

[shy veldt]

Ikr?

[nimble pike]

this way I can have iOS/Android build of the clicker game

as well as console build

;3

[sour shuttle]

I do enjoy ror2. I'm more focused on something like zelda atm, but I have a single project with all my other game projects as submodules. Lets me think about modding in the future.

[nimble pike]

i have a achievement queue, item queue, and stats queue

[shy veldt]

Nice ;3

[nimble pike]

once you jump back into the actual game it automatically updates

super easy

[shy veldt]

Nice, look up the VR model if you haven't! Fair warning. Do not use cursed item that takes away items and gives you a wisp, after 16 wisps, you'll get dizzy af

[sour shuttle]

I've played it before

[shy veldt]

Oh perfect you know already lol

[sour shuttle]

I'm interested in making something kind of like wind waker mixed with twilight princess and some other games / anime inspired things

[shy veldt]

I can see that and the biggest issue I could see is not anything technical

But art wise

You'd have to have a team of artists familiar with making optimized models for VR and familiar with area poly/draw limits per chunk loaded

[sour shuttle]

sort of kind of.
replication is kind of a problem too. unreal built in replication gets in the way of itself

[shy veldt]

Ohh I solved that

UE4 modified and unique replication graphics is how we manage that in AE

[nimble pike]

im sticking to making some 2d games in SDL2 for now

[shy veldt]

Graph*

[sour shuttle]

yeah, it's not that hard tbh. what's more difficult is the lack of post or gbuffers. for example making a water line or masking water out of boats.

[shy veldt]

And Iris is how I manage that in UE5

[nimble pike]

after im done with game 5, im going to work on making my arcade cabinet and try to revitalize the arcade industry

[shy veldt]

Oh ya, water lines are nightmarish and replicating waves is also ya. No

[sour shuttle]

well you have dedicated servers yeah? I need a quest to be able to host for a few devices without having all things loaded all the time.

[nimble pike]

whole reason im doing all of this in golang, DX is so I cna run the games on a raspberry pi lol

[sour shuttle]

replicating the waves is not that big a deal. oceanology already does that. it's just that now I need to build the water line and underwater effects into all base materials since I have no post and I'm not interested in sticking a translucent plane in front of the players face.

[sour shuttle]

I use to want to go that low. Now I aim for steam deck / modern android

[shy veldt]

But the plane works so well 🤣 Lol jkjk I like the fort to do it correctly

Effort*

[nimble pike]

yeah but you don't have a potential contract with Twitch at 5k a Arcade

[shy veldt]

But ya, without dedicated, you are going to br limited

[sour shuttle]

overdraw and translucency are the biggest slow downs.

[nimble pike]

lololol

with a purchase slip for 20-25 arcades

😛

[sour shuttle]

if world partition worked correctly I wouldn't have to worry

[shy veldt]

If 🤣

[sour shuttle]

always waiting on epic to fix their shit

[shy veldt]

Ya, world partition and world composition has always been wonky

I had to rewrite it in ue4 for it to work

Like at least wp is not as bad as wc was

[sour shuttle]

the settings are there in partition now, they just don't work

same with distance field support on mobile ldr. it's there, it just doesn't work

so now I'm locally override engine shaders in a project plugin to get around stuff

[shy veldt]

When things don't work, I made a habit of checking the oculus forks to see if they work there

[sour shuttle]

add in the bs from meta branch engine and it gets more complicated

[sour shuttle]

I do the opposite

[sour shuttle]

always wanted to own an arcade

[nimble pike]

well I made 1 that ran Unreal Engine already XD just the price tag was 3k lol to build

im trying to limit it down to under 1k to build for all materials/etc

[shy veldt]

Oh ya, using the oculus fork for checking and seeing features. I have not made a project in one of their forks though, always use ue source

[nimble pike]

and if I can make custom games that run on it, I can sell that service to companies for branded/skinned games

[shy veldt]

For an arcade machine?

[nimble pike]

yes

[shy veldt]

Oh here

Dm me

I have a friend that does that in chicago

[sour shuttle]

if I didn't need stuff from them I would use stock. there is supposedly a 30% performance bump on meta branch since they changed some things for mobile

[nimble pike]

cause I plan to offer them as a way for co-branding lol

[shy veldt]

Does duo and 4 player fighting arcade consoles even for fighting emulators

[nimble pike]

oh nice

[shy veldt]

His name is Hank Zeplin

[nimble pike]

yeah I built out a few things

[shy veldt]

You can Instagram him, he's a creative af dude

[nimble pike]

package main

import (
    "fmt"
    "os"

    "github.com/veandco/go-sdl2/sdl"
)

const (
    screenWidth  = 800
    screenHeight = 600
    squareSize   = 50
)

type Player struct {
    id         int
    rect       sdl.Rect
    controller *sdl.GameController
}

var players [2]*Player

func main() {
    if err := sdl.Init(sdl.INIT_VIDEO | sdl.INIT_GAMECONTROLLER); err != nil {
        fmt.Fprintf(os.Stderr, "Failed to initialize SDL: %s\n", err)
        return
    }
    defer sdl.Quit()

    window, err := sdl.CreateWindow("SDL2 Game Controllers", sdl.WINDOWPOS_UNDEFINED, sdl.WINDOWPOS_UNDEFINED, screenWidth, screenHeight, sdl.WINDOW_SHOWN)
    if err != nil {
        fmt.Fprintf(os.Stderr, "Failed to create window: %s\n", err)
        return
    }
    defer window.Destroy()

    renderer, err := sdl.CreateRenderer(window, -1, sdl.RENDERER_ACCELERATED)
    if err != nil {
        fmt.Fprintf(os.Stderr, "Failed to create renderer: %s\n", err)
        return
    }
    defer renderer.Destroy()

    initPlayers()

    running := true
    for running {
        for event := sdl.PollEvent(); event != nil; event = sdl.PollEvent() {
            switch t := event.(type) {
            case *sdl.QuitEvent:
                running = false
            case *sdl.JoyDeviceAddedEvent:
                handleControllerAdded(int(t.Which))
            case *sdl.JoyDeviceRemovedEvent:
                handleControllerRemoved(t.Which)
            }
        }

        handlePlayerMovement()

        renderer.SetDrawColor(0, 0, 0, 255)
        renderer.Clear()

        renderer.SetDrawColor(255, 0, 0, 255)
        renderer.FillRect(&players[0].rect)
        renderer.SetDrawColor(0, 0, 255, 255)
        renderer.FillRect(&players[1].rect)

        renderer.Present()

        sdl.Delay(16)
    }
}

func initPlayers() {
    players[0] = &Player{id: 0, rect: sdl.Rect{X: 100, Y: 100, W: squareSize, H: squareSize}}
    players[1] = &Player{id: 1, rect: sdl.Rect{X: 200, Y: 200, W: squareSize, H: squareSize}}
}

func handleControllerAdded(index int) {
    if controller := sdl.GameControllerOpen(index); controller != nil {
        joystick := controller.Joystick()
        instanceID := joystick.InstanceID()

        for _, player := range players {
            if player.controller == nil {
                player.controller = controller
                fmt.Printf("Controller %d assigned to player %d\n", instanceID, player.id)
                break
            }
        }
    }
}

func handleControllerRemoved(instanceID sdl.JoystickID) {
    for _, player := range players {
        if player.controller != nil && player.controller.Joystick().InstanceID() == instanceID {
            player.controller.Close()
            player.controller = nil
            fmt.Printf("Controller %d disconnected from player %d\n", instanceID, player.id)
        }
    }
}

func handlePlayerMovement() {
    for _, player := range players {
        if player.controller == nil {
            continue
        }

        if player.controller.Button(sdl.CONTROLLER_BUTTON_DPAD_UP) == 1 {
            player.rect.Y -= 5
        }
        if player.controller.Button(sdl.CONTROLLER_BUTTON_DPAD_DOWN) == 1 {
            player.rect.Y += 5
        }
        if player.controller.Button(sdl.CONTROLLER_BUTTON_DPAD_LEFT) == 1 {
            player.rect.X -= 5
        }
        if player.controller.Button(sdl.CONTROLLER_BUTTON_DPAD_RIGHT) == 1 {
            player.rect.X += 5
        }
    }
}

[shy veldt]

Or dm me and I can hook ya up with him

[nimble pike]

here is full 2player controller support XD i have a 4 player version and a 6 person version

[shy veldt]

He'd have a thing he can make ya sub 1k

[nimble pike]

lol

[median wraith]

don't post here your Godot code dammit

[nimble pike]

just for validating

[median wraith]

[nimble pike]

shush u, I've done more C++ code then you have hours alive.

[shy veldt]

Lol don't hate Godot 🤣 I have never used it but def appreciate it as a tool lol

[nimble pike]

im allowed to take a break

[sour shuttle]

almost pulled out their fast noise header and pulled it into a plugin

[median wraith]

hard to believe as I have many bdays per year

[nimble pike]

good for you

https://tenor.com/7cF2.gif

[median wraith]

that's a jk sir

Godot neither have brackets so

[empty dune]

youve been coding nonstop for 69 years? 😮

[nimble pike]

@empty dune your 69 years old?

here is some C++ code for @median wraith

bool BuildSystem::compile(const std::string& projectPath, const std::string& additionalArguments, bool launchInNewWindow, bool keepWindowOpen) {
    if (projectPath.length() < 4 || projectPath.substr(projectPath.length() - 4) != ".sln") {
        Logger::Get().DebugLog("The specified project path does not point to a .sln file: {}", projectPath.c_str());
        return false;
    }

    if (GetFileAttributesA(projectPath.c_str()) == INVALID_FILE_ATTRIBUTES) {
        Logger::Get().DebugLog("The specified .sln file does not exist: {}", projectPath.c_str());
        return false;
    }

    if (!checkBuildToolExists()) {
        Logger::Get().DebugLog("Build tool does not exist or the path is not set correctly: {}", buildToolPath.c_str());
        return false;
    }

    Logger::Get().DebugLog("Using build tool path: {}", buildToolPath.c_str());
    Logger::Get().DebugLog("Project path: {}", projectPath.c_str());
    Logger::Get().DebugLog("Additional arguments: {}", additionalArguments.c_str());

    std::string commandLine;
    if (launchInNewWindow) {
        if (keepWindowOpen) {
            // Correctly handle quotes for cmd /K
            commandLine = "cmd /K \"\"" + buildToolPath + "\" \"\"" + projectPath + "\"\" " + additionalArguments + "\"";
        }
        else {
            commandLine = "cmd /C \"\"" + buildToolPath + "\" \"\"" + projectPath + "\"\" " + additionalArguments + "\" & pause";
        }
    }
    else {
        commandLine = "\"" + buildToolPath + "\" \"\"" + projectPath + "\"\" " + additionalArguments;
    }

    Logger::Get().DebugLog("Executing command line: {}", commandLine.c_str());

    STARTUPINFOA si;
    PROCESS_INFORMATION pi;

    ZeroMemory(&si, sizeof(si));
    si.cb = sizeof(si);
    ZeroMemory(&pi, sizeof(pi));

    DWORD flags = launchInNewWindow ? CREATE_NEW_CONSOLE : 0;

    if (!CreateProcessA(NULL, const_cast<char*>(commandLine.c_str()), NULL, NULL, FALSE, flags, NULL, NULL, &si, &pi)) {
        std::cerr << "CreateProcess failed (" << GetLastError() << ").\n";
        return false;
    }

    if (launchInNewWindow && !keepWindowOpen) {
        // Wait until the build process exits, only if we're not keeping the window open.
        WaitForSingleObject(pi.hProcess, INFINITE);
    }

    // Close process and thread handles.
    CloseHandle(pi.hProcess);
    CloseHandle(pi.hThread);

    return true;
}

bool BuildSystem::checkBuildToolExists() {
    DWORD dwAttrib = GetFileAttributesA(buildToolPath.c_str());

    return (dwAttrib != INVALID_FILE_ATTRIBUTES &&
        !(dwAttrib & FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY));
}
#endif

[empty dune]

no but hevedy is XD

[nimble pike]

i've done more code then he has been alive then

yes

[empty dune]

you cant take a joke, can you?

[nimble pike]

im sorry, it wasn't funny so how should i know it was a joke

https://tenor.com/vYNf.gif

829,272 someone being alive for 69 years roughly.
Yes i've done more code then that.

[empty dune]

idk whether to be astounded at how quickly you took offense to a joke or how you feel like you need to prove your coding skills

[nimble pike]

lol

[empty dune]

amazing

[nimble pike]

not proving anything?

im just having fun

[empty dune]

right

[nimble pike]

your opinion means what exactely to anyone here? cause mine means 0

😛

so legit idk why you be butthurt randomly

but lets just end it there

lol

[empty dune]

sure, im butthurt. yeah lets end this here, i dont think i want to talk to you anymore either

[nimble pike]

well thats good.

Your name is absolutely on the nose with that statement.

[empty dune]

aaaand there's the insults

[nimble pike]

no thats your name matching the statement

:X if thats insulting, why did you choose the name?

[sour shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-lost-new-york-sigh-alone-gif-24949861

[nimble pike]

https://tenor.com/s0hbgMo7xNU.gif

so you finally working on your thing @sour shuttle ?

or you in limbo?

[sour shuttle]

what thing

or which thing rather

[median wraith]

was a jk, don't need to proof me anything sir

[nimble pike]

@median wraith you didn't need to be rude at the beginning over some random code-bobs, 😛 sire and I figured since u got rude, may as well indulge you alittle.

hopefully to subside your anger

[median wraith]

What?

[nimble pike]

@sour shuttle the zelda one

[sour shuttle]

what's your opinion on using geometry script to generate "terrain" instead of using landscape

[nimble pike]

you going to start focusing on it or?

[sour shuttle]

never stopped, just need to figure out the water thing.

I do need to do some non vr games just to finish some games though.

been 8 years and I've never shipped my own title. just grind grind grind and hitting my head against every wall

[median wraith]

unsure what you mean here, the new procedural unreal nodes or what ?

[sour shuttle]

yes, I'm using layered noise to generate terrain at runtime and it seems to have better performance than landscape components for me. context is standalone vr

I lose all that nice layer painting though. might want to add rvt to it

[nimble pike]

well i told you. I'm down to do a unreal game im just on a 2d kick cause its stupid easy to wrapup and finish development wise

I spent more time on a level builder, then I did actually coding the physics for the platformer @sour shuttle

i had to code a whole nother application just to build the level out

LOLOLOL

[sour shuttle]

that's where I'm at with standalone vr dev

[nimble pike]

debating on using my tiled map viewer, and making that into a level builder map interface but idk @.@

i want more control and I wanna beable to test the maps in realtime

[median wraith]

At this point I have no clue with the new Nanite landscapes how all this performs overall, sadly didn't used the procedural tools a lot yet, just did just procedural static builds etc prior to it, some people claims the prior layered system for landscape is a bit slower but idk

VT usually add some cost

[sour shuttle]

no nanite. this is mobile vr. I noticed you worked on ghost of tabour and that's why I was asking about your time with landscape stuff. It's always run super heavy for me and the auto lod stuff tends to look bad.

[median wraith]

@empty dune thank you for point out my age by the way haha

[sour shuttle]

sure. remove other costs from the scene and I think you have more powerful tools/options

[median wraith]

oh an Spy

I did a custom solution for them for the materials and such

[sour shuttle]

I figure it's close to how contractors showdown works

[median wraith]

Mobile have many limitations , another thing is if you just want VR for desktop

[sour shuttle]

crossplatform

but i'm not willing to spend itteration time just baking out the maps from desktop to standalone. needs to go the other way

[median wraith]

yeah crossplatform then will be limited by the less powerful platform

this case used to be Mobile Quest so

[sour shuttle]

same. I'm on quest 2/ quest 3

[median wraith]

Unreal 4 don't have the new tools so

I think the VR titles still stuck to 4.27

[sour shuttle]

I use 5.4, works great aside from no software culling (but I disable culling entirely, works great actually. saves a lot of headroom)

[median wraith]

Forward rendering works fine on the 5.4 ?

[sour shuttle]

yup!

[median wraith]

So what kind of culling are you using then ?

[sour shuttle]

no culling 🙂

[median wraith]

mmm

[sour shuttle]

I can push full ocean sim with dynamic light (no shadows) at 120 fps 1.2x dynamic resolution

[median wraith]

whats a flying game or something ?

oh a sea game

[sour shuttle]

open world zelda ish game

can go under water and stuff. ocean sim has physics too

I'm at the point where I'm modifying base engine shaders though

[median wraith]

On quest ?

[sour shuttle]

yep

that's single layer water too

faster than translucent. it's actually opaque with two passes

[median wraith]

maybe they changed the rendeirng, a single point light realtime was a nightmare back in the days for Quest 2

[sour shuttle]

local fog volume code is broken, but once I edit it to support water line stuff should look like this

[sour shuttle]

they did sort of. epic did and meta did.
I don't have any shadow casting though

would be nice, but I don't think I need it

can probably get by with some vertex paint and some shader stuff

I'd kill for global distance fields to work. wouldn't need rvt for anything

enabling it breaks a bunch of stuff at the moment though. there was supposed to be a fix for it in earlier versions, but epic's merges happened over each other and it got erased.

[median wraith]

ohhkay that makes more sense

In that case you can maybe even disable totally al, the light etc on materials

remove normal maps etc

and fake the NOL directional shadow and colors on cel shading since you point out Zelda etc

if is cartoon non cell shading works too

I did even for realistic projects

is a lot of saving on the shader, but if you claim that you got 120fps already isn't really needed

[sour shuttle]

@median wraith
haven't decided on final look yet. That totally depends on what I am able to get working. Also don't want to spend time reinventing the wheel if the default lit has majority of things I'd have to write anyway.

Also would like to scale up for desktop so working mostly with default lit + some stylization works in my favor.

it's times like this I wish we had something like unity scriptable render pipeline.

been doing some stuff via sceneviewextensions, which are said to only work in deferred, but actually work in forward. however, it's been difficult to get it to work on mobile pipeline. I lose a few inputs I care about like custom depth stencil.

all comes back to mobile LDR just sucking so hard and mobile HDR having way too much shit crammed into it with no decent way of toggling them off individually.

[median wraith]

I do remember HDR wasn't an option on any of the projects I worked for on Quest1/2

once enable it cost was a nightmare

[sour shuttle]

hdr sort of works now, but it's still heavy AF. 5.4 added multithreaded rendering so that sped up some stuff a bit, but there's not really much for headroom for an application like mine where almost everything is dynamic

[median wraith]

here my mates of Spain did an amazing work with the render engineers and awesome tech artists

Red Matter*

[sour shuttle]

they did great stuff, but it's all baked still

[median wraith]

there are parts I have no clue how they did, but yeah the process seems kinda as what Dota(LOL Devs) devs did clamping the desktop render to mobile parts, bet they removed non needed mobile need parts etc

I don't remember the name of the shooter right now 🤦‍♂️

watching this https://x.com/charlieINTEL/status/1821562009118228882

CharlieIntel (@charlieINTEL) on X

BREAKING: Here is 17 minutes of gameplay of Terminus - one of the Round Based Zombies maps in Black Ops 6 at launch

Twitter · Aug 8, 2024, 3:00 PM

I feel kinda sad as looks like they made a combo map with all the maps from the COD WAW DLCs

Looks awesome but seems to be the same modern gameplay

[sour shuttle]

that's why I like vulkan so much.

epic seems to understand the mobile HDR flag is too much as is. Under the hood they seem to have started the work to break things up.

there's also the datadrivenplatforminfo.ini file. Currently that's where I have to enable single layer water and distance fields for mobile.

otherwise you need to manually set flags via device profile and scalability ini's.

there's more stuff that isn't very clear about how / where the engine accepts override hierarchy stuff.

I've spent the last 3-4 years ripping all this apart and figuring out what is where and bottleneck stuff.

[median wraith]

Why you need the DF for ?

water edge detection and such ?

[median wraith]

yeah I can tell there is a lot of in deep things

[sour shuttle]

that's one. just having a global intersection detection from material and being able to make a mask out of it gets me around the need for a lot of post process.

you can also use it for culling among other things, like lighting/shadows.

if I could also use custom depth I'd be cooking. I don't need the normal post process stack if I have the custom view extension.

however that's a full screen pass instead of something like vulkan subpass which is chunked up and can return at any point. subpass has no neighboring pixel information though so not good for a lot of stuff. Really just good for tonemapping or like maybe a compute.

[sour shuttle]

yes, but I'd be happy to get a good cod zombies feel going again. It's inspired some of my other projects pretty heavily.

[median wraith]

maybe you can do some masking without the DF

as I'm in the feel with vertical Z only would work

[sour shuttle]

I can bake SDF and push to RVT. oceanology is doing this. problem is they only do this from landscape. So I figure I'll generate my own terrain and be able to get better sdf out of it.

still need to add some other way to get stuff like the dock legs

[median wraith]

oh I thought you were using the default water from Epic

[sour shuttle]

same material domain, all this does is modify the properties within. doesn't change how I need to solve water line

[unborn lotus]

whats up water brother

[median wraith]

that's alan wake ?

Well looks really cool tbh

[unborn lotus]

Haha no its one of my abandoned projects

Point and click mystery game

[median wraith]

That's really cool atmosphere

doing the animation on the shader ?

[unborn lotus]

I cant remember what I did honestly 😁

But i got stuck trying to create a wet effect with a darker albedo when the water hit objects

[proud jay]

why did you abandon it

looks like it could be interesting

[unborn lotus]

scope was too large ofc. you investigated a dissapearance after receiving a note with the name of a pier, traversed it while solving puzzles and finding clues (the killer's boat), ending up in the lighthouse

[unreal ether]

lol i thought the bottom of the image was cut off and kept trying to scroll

[summer cedar]

I was about to write a story for your abandoned project based off of exactly what you just said; a disappearance mystery.

😄

Nice visuals there. 🙂

[proud jay]

you or copilot?

[unborn lotus]

i already wrote the story, even had some really cool puzzles ready

alas

[summer cedar]

Some of us speak English; don't worry.

[proud jay]

finish it

[summer cedar]

What if it was Dieter who got lost there, looking for his bread?

And Hevedy is the hero, who has to dive 1,000 KM to retrieve him?

Assuming Hevedy doesn't just decide to leave him there. 😄

[unborn lotus]

one puzzle you had a locked keypad, you had to listen to a tape recorder of someone using the keypad, then figure out the 4 digits by the tone of the beeps - no perfect pitch, no chance to progress further!

[summer cedar]

My chicken and I....

...adventuring together.

Dungeonmans

[median wraith]

https://www.gog.com/en/game/intravenous good game free on Gog today

[summer cedar]

No, it's my battle chicken practising its bow and arrow against enemies.

It's a very high-class chicken. 😄

[summer cedar]

That is indeed a very good game.

[median wraith]

Damm man you made there the fooking MW3

[fleet tangle]

Reminds me of The Chaos Engine.

[median wraith]

missing just this boat

errr yes but no

here you can pick different elements and investigate or interact with the world a bit

and go silenced

[summer cedar]

I modified my chicken genetically to bypass three generations. Now, it has become a fourth generation chicken, with 40% more cores and squawking power.

For a melee chicken, it's using its bow a lot.

I've no idea where it fashioned that bow from; probably used its melee prowess to break a branch or something.

[ornate night]

int cookies = 4;
Console.WriteLine("There are " + cookies + " in the oven"); //Method 1
Console.WriteLine($"There are {cookies} in the oven"); //Method 2

/* this code is written in C# */

why would anyone use Method 1 over Method 2?

[proud jay]

because method 2 didn't exist in old versions

[ornate night]

so it's a habit rather then anything else?

[proud jay]

but indeed in new code there's no good reason to do it

[ornate night]

ah alright

so it's similar to:

int cookies = 4;
cookies = cookies + 2; //Method 1
cookies += 2; //Method 2

[proud jay]

those are literally the same

[ornate night]

yeah, but written differently

[proud jay]

yeah, but for your string thing they actually are different instructions

your int example here will be the same thing either way you write it

so the only thing to decide on the int thing is purely preference

but I woud agree that I prefer method 2

[ornate night]

good to know

[ornate night]

for strings I probably would just change the full string rather than add onto it? depending on the size, and if anything you'd use substrings right

String firstName = "John";
String lastName = "Doe";
String fullName = firstName + lastName;

[proud jay]

if these strings were const it would not matter

compiler would optimize it

but in you original string question, more allocation would occur in method 1, string interpolation as in method 2 is heavily optimized

I don't know all the details, but you can look at a c# to IL converter if you wanna know exactly what it does

[ornate night]

or

String fullName = "John Doe";
String firstName = fullName.Substring(0, 4);
String lastName = fullName.Substring(4);

[proud jay]

this would not be better than the other way around afaik

it's still allocating 3 strings, just with substring data of the other

[ornate night]

yeah this is a longer way around

[proud jay]

not that I'm an expert at string allocation

also, you can just use string instead of String btw

[ornate night]

neither lol, just know about the existance of them and that's about it

[proud jay]

they're the same thing

[ornate night]

ah

lol

I been capitalizing since the beginning of times

[proud jay]

well you can

it's just the same as if you don't

String is System.String

[ornate night]

yeap

[proud jay]

and string is just an alias for that pretty much

so they're the same thing

[ornate night]

:D

same thing

[proud jay]

btw, in newer c# versions you can do substrings fancier with like index operation like things

[ornate night]

ohh fancy

[proud jay]

like these https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/tutorials/ranges-indexes

also on lists and stuff

like if you did mystring[0..4]

[ornate night]

I already know C++ and used Blueprints a lot for unreal projects for my previous bachelor.
The university degree that I will attend for in a year uses Unity a lot more tho.
so learning C# and then gameplay programming additionally once I know the base of C# is what I'm doing now.

[proud jay]

or e.g. mystring[0..^1] to get all but the last character

unity is using really old c# version though 🤢

although they upgraded semi recently

not sure what version they're on now

but back in the day it was so far behind

[ornate night]

kind of like using
new(0.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f)
instead of
new Vector3(0.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f)

[proud jay]

that's different

that's just the new deducing the type

[ornate night]

let me check, I do have the newest version of unity installed.

currently using the VS2022 to learn the base of C#, and I use VSCode for Unity lol

not that it makes much of a difference personally

for my experience level at least

[proud jay]

string substring = mystring.Substring(0, 4);
string othersub = mystring[0..4];

these 2 are the same

[ornate night]

the .. equals between?

so between 0 and 4 (4 excluded)

[proud jay]

yes

[ornate night]

so 0, 1, 2 or 3

that's pretty cool!

[proud jay]

and works on all types of collections

like to take a subset of a list for example

[summer cedar]

Yeah, but if you are a good programmer, you can just send your strings leaping across one rail to another.

🛹

[soft night]

happy 808 day

[regal pecan]

The behavior is undefined if ... src is not a pointer to a null-terminated byte string.

A null-terminated byte string (NTBS) is a sequence of nonzero bytes followed by a byte with value zero (the terminating null character).

"Everything is a null-terminated byte string if you try hard enough." - strcpy, probably

[fleet tangle]

Somewhere, in memory, there is a zero waiting to be hit.

[soft night]

https://roland50.studio/

[regal pecan]

Maybe it made more sense in the 70s.
"What if there's an error?"
"We only have 512 bytes of memory. If there's a problem, write it again."

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/808-gif-25061349

[edgy elm]

My brain is tired

[summer cedar]

what's that?

--
Good morning 👋

[summer cedar]

This reminds me of the time we used floppy disks.

There was so much swapping and writing; oh yes, and DOS commands too.

🤔 I wonder if Neuralink ™️ chips will have a command terminal for users.

[summer cedar]

Sell for $10,000.

I think Game Pass just released a Doom 1 + 2 combo.

Or quite possible re-released. 🤷

[unborn lotus]

lol I only have a 386 in the attic

With win 3.1 on floppies

Not worth much

[summer cedar]

There's a guy selling Doom floppy disks on ebay for $1,200.

Low price seems to be $150.

I don't know what 'registered' floppy disks mean, but apparently those are collector's edition type thingamajigs. They get you bids of $3,000.

[errant raven]

@timber viper cha la head cha la. atama karappo no ho ga yume tsumekomeru

FUCKKK

[summer cedar]

What is this heathen tongue, born of chaos and fell demons?

[errant raven]

Dragon ball z opening song

Best one

[median wraith]

Damm those old games 4tb there, at least on this modern days thanks to the compression games like Cod managed to down it to 300gb and so

🥵

[median wraith]

Damm if was released the same year I cost the same?

[summer cedar]

The registered version is going for $3,000. I don't know what registered floppy disks mean, though.

I assume it's some collector's set, maybe.... 🤷

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/pedals-crown-lands-spit-it-out-bass-pedals-stepping-gif-17631042

[summer cedar]

When I used to buy games in floppy disks - all those many years ago, in a galaxy far, far away - I don't remember writing anything on a registration form. But, maybe the original boxes or floppy packets had some kind of registration code.

I still have my Wing Commander 3 CD set, with the box from... 1994?

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/audio-mixing-alan-walker-dj-disc-jockey-turntable-gif-18630279

windus the 8.08 for the Roland TR-808 its 50years now roland released brower emulator too and drum machine is there too for it as DJs used tool

[summer cedar]

🎶

[soft night]

https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2024/08/01/twitch-is-the-new-home-for-djs/ this released too on that day

[summer cedar]

I would love to live stream on Twitch, but their streaming service is a bit unreliable from India - or maybe from where I live in India.

[summer cedar]

The latest tool in my arsenal arrived today. Well, it's a replacement for the really old (two and a half decades) tester that I had from the time of my ancestors.

With this, I can test the devotion of man to the Golden Throne and the Emperor of Humanity.
Those who fail to display proper devotion will receive appropriate levels of stabbing.

I think with appropriate stabbings, it can serve that purpose.

[soft night]

thre is new raspberry pi pico

[summer cedar]

is it cool? post pics.

[soft night]

raspberry pi pico 2 what have 2 chips inside arm and riscv chip

[summer cedar]

I haven't heard from a student of mine, who was making something with a raspberry pi controller.

He had submitted a project proposal to his company and got promoted for it, but I haven't heard from him about his progress.

[soft night]

https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-pico-2-our-new-5-microcontroller-board-on-sale-now/

[summer cedar]

Attach my electricity test...er, pregnancy tester to robot legs, control them with a raspberry pi controller, and check yourself from time to time... safety first!

👀 I imagine each line of code will provide a stinging experience.

[proud jay]

tfw when you sue advertisers so they would advertise more on your platform https://apnews.com/article/x-sues-advertisers-unilever-cvs-mars-orsted-673d1ae88e9fb0ca5b170d238739453e

[cursive crypt]

lol, imma sue u for not ginin' me your money

[summer cedar]

Technically, he gave them permission to f*@# off on camera.

🤷

[fleet tangle]

Do you not even have to insert the disk? The install instructions would never fly in this day and age. 😄

[summer cedar]

I imagine having four parts will confuse most people instantly.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-diskette-floppy-computer-insert-gif-16902274

[graceful sequoia]

I'm pumped, it seems a lot of the problems of wp and hlods I had in earlier ue5s are a thing of the past in 5.4 -- fairly heavy hlods on a 48km2 map building in like 15 minutes 😄 just added foliage hlods and it worked with no fuss

tbf I am being less stupid about setting it up...

[summer cedar]

There was such a thing as a mini-floppy, no?

I remember something like that... let me see.

Ah, no. I was thinking of something else.

Correct. 👍

But, that was a type of CD, right?

[pale scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/wolverine-so-this-is-what-it-feels-like-xmen-logan-gif-17332583

[cursive crypt]

now, thats an ai

[proud jay]

of course she had to go nude at some point

haven't met many anime fans that weren't degenerate as well

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/minidisc-thisdoesnotcomp-ipod-1999-gif-26896042

[queen isle]

didn't know that was in there, i deleted it

[sour shuttle]

morning

[cursive crypt]

wtf? lies, I saw really nothing, even over clicked it for science.

[fleet tangle]

I have no idea how ipods really caught on. They were like 5x more expensive than the competition with 5x less space.

[queen isle]

apple logo

maybe itunes

[fleet tangle]

I bought a 32gb Creative mp3 player for like £100 when the 500mb ipods were twice the price.

Back in like 2000.

[median wraith]

This is just from Google Chrome

seems like latelly 16 cores aren't enough for it

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/zune-gif-23918316

[proud jay]

oh no, janisku failed at gifing

these are the end times

[brittle holly]

You could scroll through the playlists really fast using your finger in a circular motion

It was cool stuff

[celest musk]

you are aware that non-utilized cores downclock a lot? so their usage may seem high, while it's actually not that super much

[proud jay]

they're not?

[celest musk]

they are

but if your cpu runs at 2GHz instead of 4GHz, a 50% utiliziation is more like 25%

it's not close to 100%

[proud jay]

so what you're saying is 92 is half of 99

[celest musk]

no

https://tenor.com/view/math-the-stanley-parable-numbers-fish-addition-gif-16937516

[proud jay]

so runescape lied to me

[celest musk]

they all have some kind of "load" but most of them are running at 2.2GHz "only"

[summer cedar]

He's saying that the CPU's feet are cramped from using just a single toe instead of all two toes and half an ankle.

I'm saying those CPUs need a healthy dosage of steroids.

Then, you finish it off with a nice pregnancy stab with that tester?

[proud jay]

and a foot massage

[summer cedar]

followed by a new foot, preferrably.

in either order.

Sometimes, when money treats you unfairly...

...you make your own shit.

Break barriers.

Even your sanity.

All you need is a hamster to make that baby work.

Two hamsters for OC cardboard GPU.

[fleet tangle]

Seems like a legit circuit board.

[summer cedar]

bring me the hamsters.

[proud jay]

are you gonna eat them?

[summer cedar]

If they can't run those wheels to generate 550W of constant power, then yes - I'll make hamster bread.

They have negative rates too.
Compensation packages for fulfillment failure, apparently.

[proud jay]

first make hamster breed, then make hamster bread

need that supply

[summer cedar]

✍️

Continue.

[median wraith]

my computer even freezes

once you open 3 videos at different monitors and each chrome tab have x10 sub tabs

makes 0 sense

[cursive crypt]

ransomware? wher are the waifu pics? Accessible?

[median wraith]

I don't think so ?

of the waifus ?

[celest musk]

yea better save them here before you get a cryptomalware which restricts your access

[median wraith]

XD

[celest musk]

you can redo your unreal project in the worst case, but the waifu pics...

[median wraith]

even the RTX 3070 TI have issues with Waze map editor at 1440p

[summer cedar]

This is bad. Very bad.
Very, very, very bad.

64% of your GPU is generating NSFW images.

[celest musk]

Assertion failed: PropertyA->SameType(PropertyB)

wtf epic

i tried 5 times now -_-

[median wraith]

that the animation system ?

[celest musk]

controlrig, yea

[median wraith]

I'm lost because Epic have a lot of sub blueprint systems

[celest musk]

but it should work with enums?!

[median wraith]

an no one is equal

Like an if is called If at Niagara

on Blueprints is called Branch

on here is branch

[celest musk]

yea, i think it was named If in CR before, too

CR is very much special

in every regard

[median wraith]

and there is other place were is called switch

in the material editor too

[celest musk]

that one is the worst

i hate it

when i need it i now pull up a custom hlsl node 😄

[median wraith]

<sorry your code don't meet the coding standards on this PR>

and then in hsls you have

ROLL UNROLL

sorry unroll and loop

unroll(x)    Unroll the loop until it stops executing. Can optionally specify the maximum number of times the loop is to execute. Not compatible with the [loop] attribute.
loop    Generate code that uses flow control to execute each iteration of the loop. Not compatible with the [unroll] attribute.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3dhlsl/dx-graphics-hlsl-for

[celest musk]

but apparently there's branch and flatten statements

i'm not an HLSL expert, i just write close to basic C stuff in there 😄

[celest musk]

i honestly didnt understand it 😄

but only looked like a minute on the description

https://learn.microsoft.com/windows/win32/direct3dhlsl/dx-graphics-hlsl-if

apparently one of them causes to execute BOTH branches oO

idk why one would want this tho

https://developer.nvidia.com/gpugems/gpugems2/part-iv-general-purpose-computation-gpus-primer/chapter-34-gpu-flow-control-idioms

this seems to explain it well

yea, seems to be related to SIMD and whatnot

i feel like that whole GPU Gems series might be worth a read

if you want to dive deep into shaders

[median wraith]

hlsl is like a rol play game

[median wraith]

recently when you say you work at the videogames industry someone says "oh yeah I got a friend working as teacher and they do videogames in the school too"

sounds kinda like if someone says is doctor and you say "oh yeah I got a first aids course too"

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[celest musk]

guess it's time to add survival and crafting to my game

because i'm not going to survive

[carmine wraith]

Hmmmm .. Do you think a sheet of metal dropped in the air, would naturally end up falling with any particular orientation?
ie, edge-wise clearly has less air resistance, but does falling itself actually push it into that orientation?

air hits all along the sheet, labeled extremes A,B,C

Air hitting C would want to rotate it more edge-on

But, at the same time air hitting A would counter-act that?

[fleet tangle]

The turbulence of the air would unbalance it. It would then fall into equilibrium. I.e. Sharp side down.

Things tend to become "stable".

[proud jay]

depends whether you drop it on the moon

[remote yoke]

I thought people who said "you gotta give more than 100%" didn't understand how percentages worked, then I was met with this while deleting assets, maybe I don't know how percentages work ...

[fleet tangle]

You 112% don't.

[celest musk]

inb4 you are presented an empty project

[proud jay]

what's your locale though, that could be 103,300% or 103300%

[carmine wraith]

or maybe unreal doesn't know

[remote yoke]

https://tenor.com/bzgav.gif

[fleet tangle]

Using comma as the decimal separator is the devil.

[proud jay]

it's what we do here

althouth I prefer . of course

[carmine wraith]

Dieter=Evil so that tracks.

[celest musk]

i recently learned that int32 Foo = 1'000'000; is valid syntax

and i kinda love it

[proud jay]

why don't you marry it then

[carmine wraith]

Hmmm idk guys. I think the force of A and C probably WOULD balance each other out. But still i suspect it would actually align edge-down, and think that friction along the surface from A to C is the cause. In that, more air is blowing past C than A, since A is funnelling it along to it. Then C is slowing relative to A. MAYBE

[proud jay]

why is it snowing on your paper now

[carmine wraith]

This is unfortunate as it means my current simulation approach just is not going to work .. if i cannot even get a sheet a metal to fall believably (and i have not, so far).

[celest musk]

go touch grass

and a metal sheet

and do experiments

[proud jay]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13233210_Behavior_of_a_Falling_Paper

[carmine wraith]

didnt have arrows and should have

[proud jay]

everybody hates JS

[carmine wraith]

i kinda like it, when i wrote some matchmaking/request/response handling game server code

its nice in that you just save the file

call the function again, see if it errors

[proud jay]

that's not nice

why would you not want to know a bunch of things that will be wrong anyway before you run it

[carmine wraith]

i mean its just getting arbitrary data and sending it back

this can only be clickbait

[median wraith]

Can be touched if is an actual plane without collisions ?

[median wraith]

What's doing mysql at that level

Nobody sane set JS first

https://tenor.com/view/dog-trigger-triggered-gif-12729162

[celest musk]

look at the hair color

then look at the chart

[fleet tangle]

Trouble is, it will take a metal plate actually quite a bit of time to reach a stable configuration.

Depending on how it's dropped.

Mostly because it's heavy.

Or dense, rather.

Php is great.

[carmine wraith]

i kind of wish i had a "real" aerodynamics sim to compare to

because its very hard to tell more than .. why isn't it moving more/less

like if i make the most clear, downward falling orientation object i can think of, which was a cyclinder, with several different extremely long fins sticking off it, at both the front AND the back .. then it does seem to do what i expect (and want)

edit: with the fins marked as not contributing to mass

actually even better would be a point mass, at one end of the cylinder

[errant raven]

Guy is proud he suffered through JS documentations

[fathom wadi]

I lived through the time when you have to write two .js files thanks to Microsoft trying to standardise it for internet explorer. So I have reason to hate it, but I learned to kind of like it.

[unreal ether]

bomberman!

loved that game

had it on one of those r4 cards for my ds.

Loved it, was very shit at it

same experience I've found tbh. Web stuff just ain't fun.

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/bomberman-ボンバーマン-gif-10567250

this was my favorite game on Amiga 😄

and my little brother always got the wonky joystick which didn't always get the inputs correct...

considering that my dad should have known better, some WD40 probably would have fixed them

[unreal ether]

Lol. I just used to put up with the stick drift.

That was until one day, even in rest my controller would just scroll upwards at super speed.

I'm amazed it's 2024 and we haven't solved that yet

[celest musk]

it's solved?

there's joystick calibration

and iirc those amiga joysticks didn't have analog but digital values, so they probably just had bad microswitches

and i would be surprised if there aren't self calibrating joysticks without mechanical parts for the axis

this stuff should be easy doable with tech from mice, e.g. either optical camera sensors or light barriers which do counts (like the mousewheel)

seems like some use hall effect

jokes on those companies... they'll go bankrupt while logitech keeps selling input devices with switches which break 1 day after end of warranty

would be interesting how that game plays if you can only see enemies within a quarter of the play area

imagine this as MMORPG with 100 players 😄

[fleet tangle]

The textures are a bit too similar in colour!

[fleet tangle]

It's cool regardless.