hardware

[opaque pond]

le me rephrase

whats the ideal fvm ue5 build?

[median marsh]

yes

[opaque pond]

value for money

[fresh fog]

according to google, Flutter Version Management

so, vfm then

[opaque pond]

that

[median marsh]

sounds dutch

[fresh fog]

is vor like an xor

has a new logic gate been invented

[fresh fog]

value for money and devving don't exactly go together

[celest jungle]

usually there is like always a best value tier, one or two below top end. cpu, gpu, etc

is 4080 a good price these days?

[median marsh]

#hardware message

[fresh fog]

but if I had to take a guess it would be something like a 13th gen i7, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 3060

[median marsh]

3060 non ti

[fresh fog]

thats the one

[celest jungle]

get the 3060 non-ti 12 GB version instead

[median marsh]

13th gen with DDR5

[fresh fog]

really?!

damn

[celest jungle]

the ti isn't gonna do much for u but the vram will

[fresh fog]

fortunately 64GB DDR4 isn't that expensive

[median marsh]

and then buy 128?

[timber cobalt]

What would you recommend for a r9-3900x? I have 64 for it right now (4x16).

[median marsh]

@mighty cosmos #hardware message could you later proof read this and consider pinning it if it's pin worthy?!

[mighty cosmos]

I'm running a 4090 on a 1000w PSU and it has way more than enough headroom left

No power limits or anything

The cable is rated for 600w but the gpu won't be pulling anywhere near that, it's tough to get it above 400-420W if you are not overclocking by a crap ton

[mighty cosmos]

Looks good to me, would maybe be worth pointing out that these are like "entry level" specs for a comfortable experience, well no entry, but maybe medium or something

[median marsh]

changed the title to "minimum recommendations for dev work with unreal editor"

ah wait, let's make it "entry level" maybe?

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah I think that sounds good

[median marsh]

yea, i just looked at the epic specs, and they are still ridiculous

with their 8GB memory...

well... Quad-core Intel or AMD, 2.5 GHz or faster

and yes

the typical epic workstation still has a Six-Core Xeon E5-2643 @ 3.4GHz

however, those are most likely using build servers anyways

so for epic it may be fine with a "six-core" cpu, but not for your average unreal user

[opaque pond]

i still got my projects on hdd

[rancid yarrow]

Well, that works especially if you’re just doing 2d

And your patience is large 😉

But if u have a multi processor, in 2024 that sb a lot easier for you

For all

[plush turret]

theres a grey area of "how much lag are you used to?" in the hardware for UE

for me its "all the lag" when your ping is 400+ and most of your tech is close to a decade old you just adapt to slow crappy graphics

[chrome crest]

sheesh, my supposed "light day" to get back into ue5 from taking a break over the holidays turned into me setting up Resharper, figuring some settings out, and going into a deep rabbit hole of my ram usage and considering getting an upgrade 🥴, looking for my apparently discontinued ram and even looking at getting a new PC. My head hurts, and I did 5~mins of programming in 4 hours 😆

I so badly wanna dive into making my own PC and being comfortable building it, but it's very daunting and a whole other iceburg to get into

mainly worried about compatibility issues and everything fitting together

I wouldn't wanna accidentally get a frame that's too small or parts that don't work together well

is that a good place for reliable builds? I've seen what other people put on there but idk if it's only theoretical or not.

[celest jungle]

wat is your system specs now?

[celest jungle]

CPUs have changed a lot in those 5 years. I'm in the same boat. All my gear is like intel 7th gen and below... it's a wild world now.

well ur not in that boat anymore I guess lmao

Yeah I felt pretty ripped off when I discovered my i9 laptop cpu had only two cores

I just assumed dumbly that i9 meant 4 cores

i7

there was no i9 back then sorry lmfao

[worldly wharf]

Sup bros. My GPU won't go in because of this metal plate thing Infront of my GPU. I assume I suppose to have a lil gap on my motherboard (circled part) ? But my motherboard are aligned with the screws

So I don't really get it. Help pls

[violet spade]

You can break that center piece off the frame if needed

Sometimes it has screws to get it off

[worldly wharf]

found it. its at the back of the casing. thanks bro

[fallen oasis]

Honestly it looks bent on your gpu.

[plush turret]

only issue i have with win 11 is the right click menu

[keen bridge]

mine is that they try to give it to you without consent

like i know you probably do technically give consent when you do your 10 install or w/e. but imagine that with other things in life... wouldn't hold up in court would it?

[violet spade]

Yeah go ahead and sue Microsoft, we’ll wait

[fallen oasis]

Give what to you without your consent? Because upgrading to win11 requires your consent...

[keen bridge]

lol my friend said he just came back to his computer after a while and it was upgraded to 11

@fallen oasis

[keen bridge]

wooshed pretty quickly by huh bud?

[violet spade]

Idk how that would happen on it’s own

[violet spade]

Throwaway reply for throwaway remark

[fallen oasis]

Yeah that doesn't happen. You have to click okay. It's like a Windows update that requires your permission. He probably didn't realise what he was doing.

[keen bridge]

he's in this server lol

[violet spade]

Or someone else touched it

[keen bridge]

@terse sparrow

[fallen oasis]

🌳🌳🌳🐶

[keen bridge]

yes

[celest jungle]

Microsoft switched my windows 11 to windows 95 without my permission I am pretty stoked actually ngl

[fallen oasis]

But you've gone up 84 levels!

[celest jungle]

yeah it must be from the future there is a start menu in the bottom left corner

[fallen oasis]

My start menu is at hte top right of my left monitor on my vertical start bar ("Super bar").

[celest jungle]

I'm safe from windows 11 because my PCs don't have TPM modules lmfao

[hardy marten]

I actually like Win11

file explorer has tab support

and the UI is more consistent than Win10s "from all the eras" UI

[celest jungle]

yeah I ordered a new pc and it has win11 so I am now a convert

[celest jungle]

I know nothing about win11... what ui regressions does StartAllBack solve? I am more of a proponent of using 100% default settings without a compelling reason

[terse sparrow]

Yea it did it by itself.. went to bed with win 10 and pc on, woke up pc was off so I turned it on and win 11 was installed.

It was in updates for months but I kept postponing

[quick grove]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gKtI0edz-to?si=xFxueAIWsopMu5Yl

new fear unlocked now... which is power outage 😨

Doing windows update with heavy storm is like dancing with the devil

[fresh fog]

For what it's worth, only panic if the corruption happens. This isn't a guarantee.
I've had plenty of power cuts in a middle of an update, and even updates that have hanged and never completed. In every case the undo was successful

[quick grove]

oh srsly?? ok that's quite a relieved tbh hahaha. but still, i hope it wont happen 😦

[fresh fog]

Yeah, seriously. I've had several updates just hang. Left for hours, nothing happening, sometimes not even the throbber moving.
A restart always gives you the "undoing changes", and I've never had to reinstall, even in cases of hard power failure

I imagine it depends quite massively on the actual file that's being updated, but I've very very very rarely heard of such permanent corruption like that

[quick grove]

i see 🤔 oh that means whatever that video is, must be an exaggeration hahaha. Good to know that PC really have a fail safe for this type of thing!

[violet spade]

Laura made sure her Windows update coworkers implemented failsafes for freak accidents

[obtuse yew]

I'm thinking about getting a UPS because of the frequent power cuts. Does anyone have a suggestion for a good company or a specific UPS model to consider? (I'm looking for something around 1500VA)

[median marsh]

get something that let's you replace the battery by some standard one, otherwise you pay a high price for replacing them after a few years

[median marsh]

how is that hardware related?

[nimble mica]

I’m not sure this is the right channel but from Newegg, I bought a power switch cable it’s a wire with a plug-in for the on the motherboard pen, and the other one is a little miniature power switch app so I bypass the power button on the case, when I push the little miniature, miniature power button, the power supply makes a ticking noise and nothing else. Nothing turns on is this indicative of a power supply gone bad.

Asus mob Asus case

Mob

lol

[median marsh]

smth like this?

that can be a lot of things, did the system work prior?

[nimble mica]

Yes

Yup

The only thing I haven’t done is, do I power supply test it’s just a lot of work

Bum foot so I’m waiting stitches out 5th ☺️☺️

Reviews for product show bad customer service service, lots of doa and doa after a year or so, same thing here. Time to ditch and go with more name brand.

So Much for 10 year warranty, scam !

[median marsh]

first of all i would test it

[nimble mica]

Yes

[median marsh]

second of all, people are more likely to post bad experiences

asus is a big and popular brand, and customer service often also depends on the country and who handles the RMA stuff

[nimble mica]

It’s a overall ok rating , but ya know Dias happen, and I can attest to and customer service I can’t even get a hold of the company to do an RMA

[median marsh]

are we still talking about Asus?

[nimble mica]

That’s correct this psu in Taiwan, I have nothing against Iowa, but it does create a problem for customerservice.com phone calls

No

Hey Sue hasn’t been that much of a problem the pretty go to my customer service. They weren’t able to help me with her and Ne so that’s in the works. Asus has pretty good customer service.

Hey sue lol /asus

🙃

[median marsh]

and who is her and Ne?

[nimble mica]

Sorry slow iPad atm

Iowa/ Taiwan

They were able to help me with the RMA process so far things will slow down because I didn’t have a serial number new egg. Give me the serial number so now things are in the works. Asus has been decent. No complaints there.

[median marsh]

the serial number is usually also on the part, you are lucky that newEgg seems to track them

[nimble mica]

Super flower psu , no luck atm text message for RMA started. I gave them the order number that they wanted so far no response after three days.

[median marsh]

Super Flower? xD

[nimble mica]

Yes, well, Asus said that it’s unreliable to give locations in a motherboard for the serial number because it depends on where it was manufactured in different places I looked we never could find it

lol yup

Haaa

Rob lighting

Rob

Rgb.

Auto correct

Grrrrrr

Anyway

That

Only paid 119

Next time, name brand .

[median marsh]

from a quick google search they kinda seem to be some OEM producer, so i guess they also have an RMA process...

they seem to be a "name" brand and apparently even produced for EVGA

[nimble mica]

Well, if that’s the case, why is it so hard to get a hold of them?

So I dunno

I’ll call Newegg again and see if I can get it right number

[median marsh]

i would also test the hardware before making random RMA requests

[nimble mica]

Yes working up to that, but honestly, the weird noise it makes when I press miniature button is a clue

It should at least power the fans in the case

[median marsh]

well it can be anything currently

the mainboard usually 'tells' the power supply to shut on/off

so either the mb doesn't do that correct, or the PSU isn't able to hold the load or whatever

[nimble mica]

Yes

That’s when I got that cable power switch to bypass the power button on the case

[median marsh]

it's a little bit more complicated than that...

[nimble mica]

Technically, not really the switching out the power to the power switch plugs onto the motherboard, power switch that bypasses poser button the turn on the power supply

Sorry

Anyway, you’re probably get the idea

[median marsh]

did you connect the button to the PSU?

[nimble mica]

The point is the cable switch bypass a power button on the case , pretty basic stufff

It doesn’t connect to the power supply and connect to the power button pin board. Other end is a miniature power supply on the pathfinder. It does just send power to the power supply all I hear is a tick.

Microphone not the best sorry

So the cable switch thing is doing its job

The point is the switch is bypassing the power button on the case the motherboard is doing its job, so tell me the working the power supply just makes a noise instead of starting the fan and power in the system. I think it’s a power supply.

BRB

brb

[median marsh]

no, that's not how it works

[nimble mica]

Ok

What am I missing?

[nimble mica]

Anyway sent email, this may. Be more fruitful 😁

If only I had a powerful laptop, I could get an external case for m.2 and load project from there drain 😂

Just a i3 lol

Drain/ dain …

If that works ohhh ya I can even afford that 👌

Next up new powerful iMac lol, buuuut new m2s don’t yet fully support nanotechnology stuff

Nanite…

[celest jungle]

buy a lenovo legion thank me later lmfao

[violet spade]

Don’t buy a laptop. Profit.

[celest jungle]

laptop has a built in UPS so no messed up windies updates

[fallen oasis]

What is this?

[fallen oasis]

Aah.

[violet spade]

Afaik external SSDs are worse

[fallen oasis]

The blue streams confused me.

My usb-c ssd is definitely worse than my nvme.

[violet spade]

Yeah, USB can’t run as fast as SATA or PCI-E iirc, or it’s got some other limitation I can’t rmbr

[fallen oasis]

Well there's probably some extra latency. But also usb 3.1 has a rate of 1.25GB/s and nvme has 3x that?

[violet spade]

2.6GB for NVME and 3.5-4GB/s for M2 apparently

[fallen oasis]

Kingston disagrees with you

[violet spade]

Which part? The M2 stat is from Kingston.com lol

[fallen oasis]

The NVME stat from kingston is 3500MB/s

[violet spade]

So is the xfer rate different than the speed? I’m confused

[fallen oasis]

I mean, we're comparing different types of things here.

[violet spade]

Or are they just saying theoretically hard cap is 4GB

[fallen oasis]

NVMe and m2 aren't the same sort of thing.

[violet spade]

Oh I c you’re talking about the 2.6GB I mentioned

Yeah that was just the first result on Google, makes sense if it’s higher

Anyways point being external drives are handicapped by the bus 🚌

[fallen oasis]

Indeed.

[silent wyvern]

guys what do you think about 4070 Super leaked specs?

[celest jungle]

in terms of for use in unreal engine, I am not intrested. IMO for UE u either go for the cheapest card that works (imo: 3060 12 GB) or u go for the best card (4090) the in-between does not seem relevant for working in UE. Either you need the best performance or you don't.

I got a 3070 8GB for one of my machines and I regret it. I wish I just got two 3060 12 GB instead of one of each lmfao.

[nimble mica]

My lowly rx6600 does an incredible job

8gb

But I do run out of vid ram

[median marsh]

incredible

[nimble mica]

Large auto textured world

Point is I easily manage , only lately do I have to lower settings as I add sculpted areas to N already big world, so the card and Ryazan 5 series holding up well

Ryzen

Plus I have tons of meshes everywhere with heavy textures

No , a massive world wouldn’t work ☺️ but I’m not there yet, plus I’m not even using streaming

[plush turret]

what is the power connector for SATA devices called?

i saw an led strip for a desktop thats powered via that, and honestly i do mis that my computer has zero internal lighting now that i have it

[median marsh]

sata power connector

[plush turret]

any downsides to using one like that aside from power consumption?

[median marsh]

what does the connector have to do with power consumption?

[plush turret]

i mean the led strips, is there something weird with them? it just seems kinda weird that ive never seen ones like this before

[median marsh]

ah now i guess i got it, you want to build the strip into your desktop...

isn't there any info on power consumption?

but usually LED stuff has low power consumption

[silent wyvern]

strange statement

[celest jungle]

why would you choose a mid tier gpu over a low end one, for UE work?

[silent wyvern]

UE and games.

I make mid tier games so best to use mid tier PC

no? I'm talking nonsense?

[celest jungle]

well in the grand scheme 3060 12 GB is kinda mid tier compared to what average gamers are using. But in terms of actual UE development I consider it low end. When working in-editor, the performance is not usually on-par with the packaged game anyway so really for everyday work, if you ask me, as long as your GPU lets you get the work done it is fine. But, if you need performance, for testing, or just because your game is pushing the limits, you'll need a 4080+ or similar amd card. Either go full out, or go budget. The mid-range is kinda more just for gamers who are trying to squeak every FPS out of their actual gaming experiences. That is not the point, when getting a GPU for ue work. IMO.

[median marsh]

or go AMD if they work for you... they have some interesting 16GB/24GB cards in the "mid range price segment" of NVidia

[celest jungle]

Yeah that would be the best option if mid-tier is your budget limit

So the 4070 Super, whatever it is, is about as interesting as a 4070 was to me before: if a PC was given to me and it had it in it, fine. But if I was selecting my own gpu it would probably be overlooked unless it happened to be on some special discount for some reason.

[median marsh]

the 7900XTX is half the price of a 4090 :> (but i have a screen in portrait mode, so a risky investment... :D)

[celest jungle]

How am I going to narrate my game trailer with a fake elon musk impersonator without cuda cores!?

[median marsh]

my 3060 is fine for cuda stuff :>

don't really need more cuda power

i'm just concerned that AMD support on linux is bad

[celest jungle]

yeah true exactly

[median marsh]

otherwise it would be a no brainer i guess

[celest jungle]

some linux fanboy I know says amd is better currently

but then again he never got his 6800 or whatever working as an egpu

[median marsh]

well, always a question of what they tried/used before with all the nvidia drivers/gpus out there

[celest jungle]

and I think nvidia open source drivers are coming along now

yeah this guy is on top of everything

he compiles his own OS and updates lmao

[median marsh]

idc if the driver is closed or open source, it has to work

[celest jungle]

yeah me too

he can be honest tho and says that amd overall was best as of like a year ago

when nvidia went open source, he said in time it might be better

[median marsh]

i never had trouble with the official nvidia drivers, so...

the only thing one could be disappointed of is that they drop older gpu support at some point

[celest jungle]

yeah I didn't either, not too much, but I did not extensively use it

[median marsh]

which the open source driver might catch up on

[celest jungle]

yeah in my experience the AMD gpus have dropped off more

I have an old amd that was annoying-ish to work but it was like circa 2008

it was probably my configuration error that made it difficult tho anyway...

[plush turret]

less concerned about power than any like flaws or issues that might come from using LED's inside the tower that arent part of the basic hardware

[plush turret]

whats a decent user friendly VM? wanna load winxp for some old 16 bit games

[median marsh]

virtualbox

[silent wyvern]

Is WD HDDs really last 300k-500k hours?

That's 34+ years

[plush turret]

3 main games i wanna play are the original game of life, battleship: surface thunder, and "hotwheels velocity x"

all 3 will play on 32bit, but game of life apparently has a 16 bit installer but 32 bit game....

also lightbringer... but that game has enough issues of its own

it quite literally will not play with service pack 3, only SP2

and requires win98

not xp, not 97, just 98

[plush turret]

so i have a virtual disk image file, what/how do i open it?

[violet spade]

Daemon tools. haha, haven’t used that in ages.

Or actual spinning disks

[fresh fog]

Anyone with any electrical knowledge able to tell me why my keyboard lights flash on when I turn on my floor fan?

They were in the same power strip initially, so I assumed it was some inrush, and unplugged the system since before turning on the fan, but I just unplugged the system, turned on the fan, and the lights on the keyboard connected to the unplugged system just flashed to life. So now I'm thinking it's some EMF shenanigans?!

[median marsh]

yea pretty likely

or magic

guess the fan plug is without earthing line (or however that is named in english)

could try the same plug with a long cord and place the fan further away, then plug it in and see if it still happens :>

[fresh fog]

Nah its connected to earth. UK plugs FTW

[median marsh]

maybe damaged or shitty engineering? :>

[fresh fog]

Nah I'm pretty sure electronically the fan is safe.

Might have to get the multimeter out and double check that earth continuity.

I'm going to vote on the side of magic or EMF then

Sadly I can't really move the fan, nor the system, I'm all out of space 😆

[violet spade]

Grounded

[violet spade]

Me thinks there’s some Final Destination shit about to happen to you so nice knowing you 🙃

[median marsh]

yea i think the metal around the fan motor should be grounded

to catch the EMF from the coils

[fresh fog]

Just gonna stick it in a Faraday cage 🧠

[mighty cosmos]

I have some hdds that are 10+ years old and still going

at this point keeping them for the meme factor, wanna see how long it will go for

[silent wyvern]

I use hdds just for backups, assets and tutorial videos from udemy. So not much action is happening in hdd

Should last 5+ years

[violet spade]

Your hard drives will end up in a Silo (good show)

[mighty cosmos]

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/8G1Te9sE-V4?si=pmq2lVkHkml0ncpR blueman perhaps things for old HDDs

[celest jungle]

ok really important question here

suddenly got my laptop before expected delivery date so I wasn't ready

so I had no time to think about this

what do I name it>>!!>!!>!?!

[ivory crescent]

I'm sorry I'm having a hard time figuring out what PC specs I need to run Nanite and Lumen, or just Unreal Engine 5 "Good" in general. Could anyone offer their experiences with their current set up?

I currently have a 1060ti, 12gb ram, and a pretty old motherboard and CPU. Unreal Engine Runs, though it can get a little laggy at times, but I also haven't done much in it yet besides make some basic ball-rolling game and some UI functions like an Inventory system.

I want to make stylized anime/cel shaded games but I also want to make sure my games run on Switch.

I wasn't sure if I could get by with a 3060, 3080, or if I need like a 4060/4070. Can't afford much higher than that though.

[mighty cosmos]

take a look at the pins in this channel to get an idea

[ivory crescent]

Thanks will do!

What is the difference between a Ti and not Ti?

Also I almost got a 4060, why is it bottlenecked? o.o

I was on the Unreal Engine Hardward specs before coming here but that says they use 2080s at Epic. Which seems low to me?

[violet spade]

As I understand it, the memory bus is too uh narrow so your memory will be too slow. Shame too cause I was planning to buy a 4060TI but Laura ruined it for me with her facts 🥲

[ivory crescent]

Is the 4060 fine? Or are both bad to use?

Not sure what the Ti adds to a GPU

[violet spade]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-4060-ti-vs-4060/?amp

Christ, 30% more power draw lol

[violet spade]

See above, and for starters you get the extra VRAM option. But if it’s slow memory then it’s kind of pointless

[ivory crescent]

https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Gaming-Nebula-PC-Desktop/dp/B0C9PNZJCF/ref=sr_1_18?crid=9QDX8H23YRVJ&keywords=prebuilt%2Bpc&qid=1704611196&refinements=p_36%3A-94000&rnid=2421879011&sprefix=prebuilt%2Bpc%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-18&th=1

This is the one my friend sent me

But the pin recommends i7 Intel this ones i5

CPU is 2.5 hz which seems lower than some others too?

[violet spade]

Not nearly enough RAM for UE5.3

[ivory crescent]

16gb isn't enough?

I'm only using 12gb now o.o

[violet spade]

No you need like 4 times that

[ivory crescent]

Surely I could just buy extra ram sticks in the future though?

[violet spade]

Yeah

[ivory crescent]

I'm making anime/stylized games with cel shading. Nothing realistic.

[violet spade]

Just make sure you have enough slots for them, altho 2 slots is fine if you get 2x 32GB

[ivory crescent]

Not using Lumen really or RTX

[violet spade]

That stuff might be more gpu/vram bound than actual RAM but not sure

[ivory crescent]

What would I need RAM for then? I'm not making games that are very big, at least not yet.

[violet spade]

5.3 Recommended RAM is 64GB , even with 48 I suffer sometimes

[ivory crescent]

One-mansion big adventure horror for the next 2-3 years.

What are you making that requires so much? o.o

[violet spade]

The engine requires that much. Some areas will be fine but the more you do, the more painful it’ll be

[ivory crescent]

Hm I don't see on this page if it says the slots available. Just has what it comes with unfortunately.

Ah the Q and A says it can be upgraded up to 32mb which I guess is only half

Oh wait the listing is for three PCs so I don't actually know if that means this PC

[violet spade]

Problem is you’ll also need a better PSU if you go 40 series

[ivory crescent]

Or the other two options available.

600w isn't enough? Why would they sell a PC that won't work?

[violet spade]

I think depending on the cpu you can get by with 32GB

[ivory crescent]

[violet spade]

It’ll work, I was thinking future proofing but since you’re getting it prebuilt it’s fine

[ivory crescent]

This stuff is confusing and I'm so scared. I'll never see this much money at once for another 5+ years so I'm just scared to buy something and have it not work right.

[violet spade]

Take your time with it

And know that Amazon is not necessarily the place to buy prebuilt pcs

There’s some big names out there that have built shitty pcs at times

[ivory crescent]

Yeah but they are cheaper there and I got a 50$ amazon card for xmas

[violet spade]

Fair enough, just make sure to read the reviews. I usually look at the 3 star ones, cause 5 stars are often paid shills/bots and 1 star are often trolls, competition or Karens

One of the reviews on that pc said it didn’t come with a 4060. Sure, they got the difference paid out but that doesn’t really help if you get the wrong card

[ivory crescent]

They might have selected the wrong option, since there are three?

The issue isn't really if the company is bad because if they mess something up I can get a refund

The issue is, if the PC is exactly what I ordered but I wasn't smart enough to realise it wouldn't work.

[violet spade]

Maybe. All I’m saying is be careful and take your time with it. Ideally, you should build your own but if you’re worried it’s too much for you then just buyer beware

[ivory crescent]

I have a friend that knows how to build them but I don't know where to even start to try and get parts and pieces.

[violet spade]

Pcpartpicker.com

That’s what I used

[ivory crescent]

I offered that before but my CPU and motherboard are the worst parts of my current PC so he said to just buy a new one

Thanks I'll check this out!

[violet spade]

You could always build a new one from scratch

[ivory crescent]

The question is idk what I can reuse from my Old PC

That sounds even more expensive

[violet spade]

Generally cheaper than prebuilts but either way, done right you’ll get more bang for your buck

[ivory crescent]

The CPUs are already 400$ thats half my budget. The card will surely be the other half so idk how to afford the motherboard and ram and psu

I'll attempt. I may refer back to here to double check.

If a CPU has integrated graphics does that mean I can't add a dedicated GPU? Or can a PC have b oth?

I imagine they can't, right?

[violet spade]

Dedicated will take priority unless you tell it otherwise

[violet spade]

They can, and they often do. Used to be on the mobo now it’s in the cpus

Once you plug that RTX card in tho, it’ll take control

If not, you just go into BIOS and make it primary

[ivory crescent]

Okay. ALso I still don't know if you said it or if I missed it but the 4060 and 4060 Ti are different? Or both have bottleneck issue?

[violet spade]

I gave you a link that shows the diff between them and the 3060s as well

See how the bus width is half the size of a 3060TI for example

And less cores

[ivory crescent]

Oh right

Too much information to take in tonight sorry. xD I am attempting!

The website is just hard to read since for some reason it's massive

This is what I have so far, I think?? I just need help with Motherboard picking.

I have 12gb ram I can use for now. I have a 600W PSU. I have a case, some fans, etc

If I use my current HD I don't think I need to buy Windows again?

I could probably stretch for a new case actually but I have also 0 clue for what to go for that.

[violet spade]

Corsair 4000D is nice. Great airflow, cheap and pretty. Plenty of space I think. Would have to check the dimensions of the RTX40 tho

[ivory crescent]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mpcG3C/fractal-design-pop-air-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-por1a-06

This one was about 20$ cheaper is it okay?

the 4000D looks to be about 105$

[violet spade]

Iirc when I was researching it, the mesh on the fractal had crappy airflow, but I can’t recall for sure.

[ivory crescent]

I also don't know how many liters it should be.

[violet spade]

Read some reviews and make sure it’s got enough room for the video card you buy

[ivory crescent]

It doesn't measure in cms

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Bcprxr/zalman-s2-atx-mid-tower-case-s2

This one has good reviews it seems

[violet spade]

Pcpartpicker might help, they tend to give you warnings if something is incompatible

[ivory crescent]

Oh wait thats a mini

I think

Wait nvrm the one above that was the mini

[agile lodge]

small case if you wanna https://www.geometricfuture.com/product-1/30.html

[ivory crescent]

Idk if that'd fit everything

[celest jungle]

get a cheap 3060 12 GB, 64 GB ram, any cpu that isn't crap, and 2 TB ssd and u got a UE stew goin

[quick grove]

https://youtube.com/shorts/lAy3umbr81s?si=thUD-6rrb8FWBn2y

just to let you guys know 😄

it works too

[violet spade]

Right, you go ahead and do that to your machine 😛

[rigid steppe]

Anyone tried M3 Pro, or Max with Unreal Engine 5 yet?

[fresh fog]

I mean it's Mac development with unreal. It's never going to be an A* experience

[forest jay]

Hey I need a decent pc build for just setting up scenes in sequencer with both nanite and lumen. Got like a 2500k budget what can I get w that ?

*also noting planning to max out on ram to like 128 for after effects and even premier, plus other 3d apps with 3rd party render engines requiring decent gpus

I work w game trailers mostly btw🙌

[forest jay]

Lol sorry that was a typo I mean 2k and 500 dollars

Or 2k eur which I’m gonna build it in eu so likely need eu power supply if that makes a difference

[ivory crescent]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zzRjqR

Anyway to make this cheaper? Is a SSD that big of a difference?

I already own a PSU and harddrive to use so that's why it's missing from the list.

On the other hand, it's only 40$ more for a 5800X over the 5700X I currently have selected.

Is that jump worth it?

[fresh fog]

don't upgrade the cpu if you aren't going for 64GB RAM

in fact, 32GB RAM is already a bit on the short side for a 5700x imo

[celest jungle]

Agreed. SSD is essential. I would get 2 TB if you can. 64 GB ram... the difference between those cpu is pretty small if any. I would go with whatever is convenient...

[ivory crescent]

My current CPU is for my 1060 GTX xD I have to get a new CPU regardless.

Oh wait you meant the 5700 vx 5800

Nvrm

[fresh fog]

:P

[ivory crescent]

I've just learned about PCs yesterday so all the info is jumbling around my brain still.

I'll try to splurge for the SSD. Don't know if I need 2TB tho I alreayd have a 1TB HD I can use for everything I don't care about.

SSD for unreal and any newer games

[fresh fog]

I'd definitely invest in another terabyte to be comfortable, however a 1TB and a HDD should honestly be fine if you aren't going for tons of games and/or a source build

A source build alone will be anywhere from 200GB - 400GB of that

I mean I'd kill for an extra terabyte around now, but that's only because I'm a serial game hoarder :P

[median marsh]

if you have an PSU you probably also have a case, so save the $50 on that and rather get some memory which isn't from wish.com or a larger SSD

[ivory crescent]

What's a source build?

[ivory crescent]

My current case is too small, and so old it still has a disc drive (That doesn't work.)
This case has been used over and over with parts to get by since Windows XP.
Also what's wrong with the memory? The reviews were fine.

[violet spade]

It’s one of the engine’s install options, necessary for certain things like dedicated server iirc

Or if you want to modify the engine

[ivory crescent]

Do I need it for smol single player games? I don't think I'm talented enough to modify no engines. xD My games will be in BP

[forest jay]

Can someone clarify the compatibility of GeForce rtx 4090 w unreal? Reading in the above threads ti is the way to go. 🤔

[median marsh]

it depends on your project

there is no all mighty "best"

[forest jay]

This is the build I’m starting with as a base gonna try to swap things down I don’t really need.

[forest jay]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PJBbcH

Haha it’s a good question I’m still considering it actually

Word this is great advice

Ok cool. Yea I imagine I could get by a rtx 3060 for now and double up at a later time if necessary

And save the cash also. Need to understand liquid coolers better too.

[median marsh]

G.Skill 🤮

[forest jay]

😂 pls tell me why G.skill trident makes you vom

[median marsh]

maybe the fact that one of their memory modules lays behind me for a few months now, waiting to go to RMA

which is the 2/6 modules which failed

and they obviously want the whole kit send in for RMA...

and may take a month or more

so kinda expensive trash at this point

[forest jay]

Ahhh ok gtk 🙌

That’s similar to why I wanna move away from Mac don’t want hardware that I’m gonna need to wait for devs to catchup

[forest jay]

While I’m testing out prices of builds I’m starting to understand why the specd out razer laptops are so dang expensive 4090 gpus ain’t cheap 😱

[violet spade]

Laptop cards are trash compared to pc ones afaik

[forest jay]

Me and my laptop graveyard

Hey, getting a current gen will give some kind of advantage with firmware updates I’d imagine correct ?

[forest jay]

Ok got it

What kind of liquid cooler would you suggest ?

Ahhh gotcha

[celest jungle]

laptop 4090 is kinda like a 4070 lmfao. but with 16 GB vram. ask me how I know...

but the cuda cores of a 4080 🎉

[forest jay]

If I were to get like a 14900kf would I be in the same boat not needing liquid cooling and if not liquid cooling would any kind of fan component be necessary regardless? 🙏

[celest jungle]

you never need liquid cooling

[forest jay]

Why do they even make em then ?

[celest jungle]

some people want liquid cooling

afaik u can always get about equal cooling performance with air, except when doing extreme shit which if ur trying to work in UE u shouldn't be doing

[forest jay]

Ok I think I’m understanding a little better now ! UE makes 3d optimized a little better than say rendering in houdini or c4d with redshift or octane. Something like that right ? Or huge renders for content to go up on msg sphere for example.

[celest jungle]

no just when u r doing actual work u don't wanna be messing around with janky crazy overclocking setups lmfao

[forest jay]

Hah ok 👍 this is good to know

I mean if I do need the extra speed I can always farm@it out the reason I’m gravitating towards unreal is the speed of the renders I don’t need to concept scenes out with clays or primitive shapes call it previs I can just go for it

[celest jungle]

if you get a monster cpu like it seems likr u r considering, u don't need overclocking to get good speed.

[forest jay]

Would you consider 13900k monster ? Reason I want to overshoot is also so it’ll have some miles for the years to come

And won’t have to upgrade as soon was my thought behind it

I guess flip side to going big for the purpose of having more miles is when other parts need to be swapped compatibility issues could arise 🤔

[celest jungle]

13900k is as monster as anyone should reasonably buy lmfao

there are some higher spec server and professional cpu, sure, but there is a value sweet spot that I think the 13900k hits alright for longevity

well i mean the value sweet spot might actually be lower than the 12900k lmfao but it';s a monster

13*

[forest jay]

Okedokee 🙏 great info. thanks !

[celest jungle]

yeah for sure. I didn't actually realize the 13900k was the top tier con sumer intel cpu

no wonder this laptop was so expensive fuck lmfao

3d threads is nice tho I am ngl... it is noticeable.

32*

[median marsh]

Reason I want to overshoot is also so it’ll have some miles for the years to come
then don't get an DDR4 board

also the PSU seems super overpriced

[forest jay]

Ok what board would you suggest ?

[median marsh]

i don't know anything about current intel boards...

[forest jay]

What’s the gpu one ?

[median marsh]

but one with DDR5 ofc

[forest jay]

Got it

[median marsh]

and for the PSU i would pick a gold rated seasonic for half the price

also if you really consider a 4090 you might want to get 1000W just to be on the safe side

[forest jay]

Ok cool. You guys rule. Thanks so much. I feel like I’m actually learning stuff 😄

Im actually gonna price everything on pc part picker then figure out similar build through pccomponetes.com because I’m in Spain so my options are a bit more limited and prices are higher

And then gonna feed the list to a local pc builder shop nearby like 3 minute walk that’ll give me 3 year warranty and I can go in and be covered

[median marsh]

save yourself $300 on the PSU/Case/LiquidCooler and invest it in the GPU (e.g. 7900 XTX which has 24GB VRAM and is probably faster than the 4070)

then get a cheaper mainboard but with DDR5 and get some good DDR5 kit (e.g. samsung/crucial)

imho that gives you the best mileage, you can upgrade the CPU later if you really need more cores (which i kinda doubt)

[forest jay]

Was already considering to roll asus tuf gaming z790-pro think I should go cheaper yet ?

Ok cool ! In eu we mostly have msi and asus along w gigabyte asrock biostar and evga

A million !

[agile lodge]

https://www.msi.com/Handheld/Claw-A1MX

[silent wyvern]

Nvidia Super cards

https://www.dexerto.com/tech/nvidia-refreshes-gpu-lineup-with-rtx-4070-super-4070-ti-super-4080-super-2460121/

[celest jungle]

alright time to get to work... anybody got any project ideas? lmfao jk jk I got one

[fallen oasis]

Those screens look far too high.

[celest jungle]

everybody says that lmfaoaoa

[fallen oasis]

Are you really tall?

[celest jungle]

certainly it's not an ideal setup in terms of the speaker placement and the height

but yeah I am tall it works perfectly for me lmao

[fallen oasis]

Ideally the centre of the screen should be at your eye level when looking forward. Or roughly that.

[celest jungle]

second monitor is a bit high when seated, but perfect when standing. Laptop is perfect sitting, tiny bit low when standing

[fallen oasis]

Fair enough. 🙂

[celest jungle]

keyboard and mouse are a bit too low when standing, but perfect when sitting

[fallen oasis]

Who stands and makes unreal projects? 😦

[celest jungle]

it's all tradeoffs the whole way down

bro I do lmfao

I switch between sitting and standing non stop

[fallen oasis]

I see.

[celest jungle]

I couldn't have a moving desk height because I need the instant switch

it's a tall drafting chair

[fallen oasis]

What I'd do is put the speakers on their side and lower the monitor level by that much.

[celest jungle]

oooooh

[fallen oasis]

But then I like sitting.

[celest jungle]

u might be a genius

the speakers sound so bad on the desk

I might be able to gain some height space and also isolate them from the desk surface

they used to be up on the monitor shelf, at a lower height. the wire shelf is perfect for the speakers. THe desk surface reflects too much, and up against the wall human voices sound echoey and muddy and boomy it is so bad

but I spent far too long setting this up already it is fine for now I need to get some more ram in this laptop and get to work lmfao

[fallen oasis]

Heh. Good luck.

[celest jungle]

🙏

[median marsh]

i've expected your head way lower from the first pic

but i can tell why you need to stand, it looks like you got almost no leg space 😄

[celest jungle]

lol actually the shelf space for my legs is quite comfortable with a foot fest high off the ground. The pics make my eye height look higher than it really is I was doing an instagram angle or something

been at this setup for over ten years lmfao. I cut 4 holes in this old desk surface and threw it on the wire shelf in 2013

[fallen oasis]

Thsts not as bad as I thought it'd be tbh.

[forest jay]

I’ve got some mograph buds who are scrutinizing my build of going with 3060 12 gb (potentially 2) for 300 a pop rather than just going for 4060 saying they go for 300. But I think they don’t factor in wanting to max memory which actually 4060 can achieve 16gb in seeing for around 500 or so🫨

Also stating 4060 is 50% faster than 3060

Price point really peaks fast when you go into 4060 and above im finding also considering selling gfx cards and not renders

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-so-cringe-kim-kardashian-saturday-night-live-cringe-this-is-awkward-gif-23427801

[forest jay]

I do the same when I can blood flow to the legs for creativity is under rated

It’s a hack to switch up perspective and zoom out literally

[fresh fog]

4060 is not a good gpu

[forest jay]

Dang ok so maybe I should wait a bit for this month to see if prices drop ? Or run w 1 or 2 3060 12gb ? ⚖️

I know waiting on tech is the worst thing to do so I’m considering just biting on at least one

Other thing I’m up against I mentioned before is price point in eu to us. Everything in eu is about 100 more than us. And if I import from us say through my old us Amazon account from when I was still in the states I pay 100 tax so that’s an indication I think that they’re definitely more here

Alrighty then wait I dooooo 🙌

Is there a projected announce date ?

Oh snap so like a few days by eow

https://tenor.com/view/anxious-gif-17597644896756472985

Sorry I’m coming off as a bit loopy but I’m assuming since conference is this week in Vegas they’re likely to announce by end of the week no?

Ahh ok

[forest jay]

…Watching now announcement from yesterday RTX 4080 Super for NV 🍿

Jan 31st 🗓️

Can they please stop hard selling AI coupled w gpu real ease for the love of gods 🤢

[forest jay]

Correction: Damn I may need to hold back my gag reflex a bit regarding ai hard sell for the future because local vs cloud computing is gonna change all my perspective purchases and bring a lot of potential fomo. Only main thing to consider with that I guess is security and privacy where having a local rig is more secure

[agile lodge]

asus giving things

[celest jungle]

I predict no change in nvidia card prices. They don’t compete on cost.

[forest jay]

Even on the past releases won’t be affected you believe huh?

Like distributors won’t try to fire sale older models

[celest jungle]

Last year I bought a 3060 12 GB in a panic before CES, because as i@predicted, the demand went up for 3060 because of the prices and specs of the 4070 that was announced. The 3060 is almost still the same price today.

Well, the 3060 did go down a bit when the 4060 stuff was announced but not by much.

[forest jay]

ok case and point

My mograph folks don’t stress vram like game peeps do I’m finding which is interesting to understand I never quite grasped it til picking everyone in here’s brains

It’s a realtime thang

[forest jay]

So maybe I’ll save some scheckles if I hodl maybe not. And then there’s Chinese new year it’s gonna bottle@neck everything

[celest jungle]

Amd cards are different tho. They will have deals and price movement.

[forest jay]

This is what I gotta dig into now since I’m basically familiar with nv’s mo

[forest jay]

Marketing these days gets hella petty I assume it’s with all the shortages 😫

[celest jungle]

have they announced officially price cuts? I predict the new cards will just be more expensive lmfao

but the question was did they officially announce any prices? I know those charts will not reflect anything from this week

oh yeah u r right it does look that they will lower the prices because the super cards seem to be replacing them in the lineup

[plush turret]

but is there going to be a price update thats as good a bang for your buck as the 3060 12gb?

[celest jungle]

who knows. IMO just buy a PC when u need it and u may or may not get lucky on the timing.

[plush turret]

i mean i already got it but my partners sisters all want computers with good specs for gaming, and so far my 3060 has chewed up every game ive thrown at it, as well as both do animation to some degree so theres some actual use for a gpu

[nimble mica]

Replaced psu , now everything is working , except, monitor says hdmi no signal, tried everything hoping for some ideas…

[violet spade]

Either your card is toast or maybe it’s not set as primary in bios or something

[nimble mica]

What is much newer they both worked but neither one is working now. I just got a new PSU everything’s working now except for the monitor thing tomorrow morning I will plug the PC into the Samsung TV and see if that works oh no, it’s the monitor 🙃

How many ounces of weed is going on? I have a KLim keyboard when I plug it in. The power light comes on showing it’s charging, but no other two , nothing, so I wonder if the keyboard isn’t being seen then I guess the computers not gonna start hence no video

Weird stuff

At least the new PCu saved the system

Psu

Took me a while to figure out that it wasn’t the motherboard working through surgery on my foot , much better

So ya I think the keyboard lights not working may be preventing video signal to monitor

Seems like a stretch, but those lights on the keyboard used to work, wireless klim

It’s always something

[celest jungle]

3060 might go down a bit but will likely remain a good choice

[nimble mica]

I feel fortunate with rx 6600 8%gb, it’s been amazing , but as project gets mire complex I can see a new gourmet needed soon

8gb

New gpu damn auto complete

🙃

😉

[median marsh]

the other PSU could still be fine neighborlee

it might just shut off for other reasons

e.g. faulty mainboard

[violet spade]

I’ve fried a mobo while installing a new PSU, I imagine I didn’t ground myself properly and arc-ed it tho not sure, been using the bracelet ever since tho

[celest jungle]

just upgraded the new laptop from 32 GB to 64 GB and didn't fry it thank god. time to install ue

[nimble mica]

Do you think that’ll be enough? Heh

I can dream

Although prices for slowest ram is coming down 😀

Ok so, my klim wireless keyboard ,with usb connector plugged in, may not be working as numkey light isn’t on as if computer doesn’t see it for some reason, or is monitor staying on during computer boot with working Gus, what might be going on,,,put in new psu and everything working again, except as noted.

[celest jungle]

no. lmfao. 32 threads is a lot. once 64 GB chips come out I will go up to 128 GB. I would even consider 192 GB if 96 GB chips ever come out at this spec

[celest jungle]

shoulda got 96 damn

[violet spade]

How old is this RAM, DDR2? 🙃

Jk, tbh I didn’t realize there is such a thing as a 1.5x size

Yeah, I haven’t even seen those tbh

Well there used to be a myth about having same size RAM sticks

Stemmed from the fact of having the same speed RAM no doubt

I rmbr the “good” ole’ days of SDRAM

[violet spade]

So you’re saying having 96GB of RAM would be slower unless your sticks are 1.5x size? Idk, I had done some research on this and the internet said only the speed and making sure you’re dual-channeling matters, not size of the RAM

Ah, I thought you just need to have a stick in each slot for the dual channel to fire

So basically my 48GB is slower than it should be ☹️

[wind egret]

You have a 16 stick and a 32 stick, together?

[violet spade]

Yeah 2x 8s and 2x 16s

Great, thx internet 🥲

Well yeah that’s how they’re set up

1,3 and 2,4

Oh no, it’s pairs

[celest jungle]

My rule for buying ram is to fill all slots at the highest spec while you can. When the ram goes off the market, in the future, no chance to find nice matched sets.

[violet spade]

So to clarify, this is not any slower than having say 2x 24GB ?

[celest jungle]

It always depends on lots of things.

[serene dome]

It's slower than the 2x24 GB, whether if it's worth the upgrade is questionable

[violet spade]

Idk what that means but I get the gist

[celest jungle]

Memory speed is for overclockers don’t overthink it lmao.

[violet spade]

Well if I upgraded it would be 2x 16s replacing the 8s.

[celest jungle]

Yeah best to buy matched sets and fill all spots.

[serene dome]

Yep ^

[violet spade]

Ik I just didn’t feel like throwing out RAM when I decided to get more

[celest jungle]

Yeah I hate the e-waste.

That’s why I have the rule to only buy ram to fill the slots at full spec Llmao.

Générâtes least e-waste in the end.

Ooh-Layla autocorrect is French today.

[serene dome]

It makes more sense to see it through memory chip density than the entire memory module capacity. IIRC, the DDR4 specification stopped at 16 Gb (2 GB) memory chip density (16 GB modules [1Rx8] and 32 GB modules [2Rx8]). With DDR5, it continues from 16 Gb (2 GB) to 64 Gb (8 GB) memory chip density (128 GB modules [2Rx8]). As to why there's now a 24 Gb (3 GB) memory chip density, I reckon it's mostly due to the increasing difficulty of miniaturizing memory and to allow more leeway in configurations that are sensitive to the GB/Core ratio.

[median marsh]

i think the memory controllers address space is the main factor here

of what they support for each module

[celest jungle]

dual rank vs single rank plays a factor for sure. whatever intel chipset I have here can only run at 5200 Mhz with dual rank but 5600 with single rank

[celest jungle]

but then some workflows, probably ones like UE, benefit from dual rank

[slim heart]

My current build is a ryzen 9 3900X, 128GB DDR4 and a radeon 7900XTX and I am pretty happy with it. If you HAD to spend $6k on new hardware (company budget), what would you do? New build or go for a 4090 laptop?

[fresh fog]

Definitely would not go for a laptop.
For 6k I'm looking at a nice threadripper, 128GB RAM, if not more, a 4090, hell, maybe even an RTX A5000, and a boatload of storage

[median marsh]

i would ugprade the cpu to 5950x and get a 4090 and put the other money on the side 😄

[fresh fog]

one ticket to embezzlement town :P

[violet spade]

Idk I hear threadrippers are not as good as people think

Not anymore anyway

[slim heart]

Lol... Its one of those.. If I don't spend it, then they'll assume I don't need as much next year.

[slim heart]

I would love more memory I max out my 128GB daily.. The most I am seeing on the high end consumer/gaming boards is 192GB, but then the price point jumps from $400 to $1000 for 256GB support.

I am overall happy with the 7900XTX. I can run pretty much any game at 4k with 60fps. But I know I would get better performance out of a 4090

[celest jungle]

for 6k u could get 2 4090 laptops lmfao

or 1 4090 laptop and a desktop and a monitor and cool stuff to go along with it

a 4090 laptop, tho, is not a real 4090 it's more like a 4080 with lower clocks, so turns out to be about the same as a 4070 ti desktop

see here #hardware message

a 4090 laptop would be a downgrade for you

[slim heart]

I cant believe the 4090 benches so much better than the 7900xtx. guess its new proc/memory and gpu for me tomorrow

like do you even lift bro?

and the i9 doesnt bench that much better than the ryzen 9 7950x3d

[celest jungle]

at some point u just gotta forget benchies and realize u just gotta get shit done

meant to post this lmfao

just adding the city sample project to a git repo uses 32 GB on all threads lmao

[celest jungle]

lmfao wow the big city level of the city sample loads in a snap this is wild.

wow... just friggin wow

[forest jay]

I can only dream to have a machine that’ll even open city sample project. Hopefully when I decide to shit or get off the pot 🙏😀that thing is massive 🤯

[plush turret]

what the hell are you doing to that poor cpu

[violet spade]

How would adding things to a repo be cpu bound

[median marsh]

unreal integrated source control would like to have a word with you

[violet spade]

Ah. That makes sense

[spring dove]

anyone in here got an AMD GPU? Am between a prebuilt with a 7900xt or an 3080 ti or a 3080 all with roughly the same price. Ik the performance of the 7900xt is considerably better for games but that it lacks in productivity applications like blender, was wondering how big the difference was and if it truly matters (I am also not a professional game dev).

[celest jungle]

Laura got it exactly right this was the delta compression stage of adding the entire city sample to a git repo lmao.

[spring dove]

thanks a lot. I shall go for the 7900xt then 😄

[nimble mica]

Hi , wondering will current project made on windows 11 ue 5.3,
Be fine as is on new Mac mini m2?

As in just going to transfers files to Mac ssd

On forum someone said after transferring to Mac , easier to zip up…hmmm..is that how ue works there by reading zipped up dir ?

Haven’t used Mac in awhile, what I’m doing is just cheaper in end instead of fixing current windows based computer system which works be around $300.00 so…and that’s already a 3 yr old system

Anyhoo

[fervent jolt]

Radeon PSA, in case you might be a rare candidate using secondary portrait monitors (i am still enjoying a trails-enabled mouse cursor to this day)

<#hardware message>

also discovered since then that it doesn't work right in some software I use for my day job when that software uses OGL instead of D3D.. but the software is shit so i shouldn't be surprised

[slim heart]

I ended up going with the 4090 and an i9 14900kf with 192GB of DDR5. Amazon can't come fast enough now!

[celest jungle]

oh brother I am jealous you made a good choice lmfao

If I had room and patience to build another desktop I would probably have such a dream system on the way too lmao. But I needed a grab and go development rig so max spec laptop works too lmao

[nimble mica]

Does anyone know. I have we m.2 nvmw drive .says nothing about what key it uses, so if I get enclosure which says it’s m key, will that be alright

We/wd

[plush turret]

i wish i had $2500+ to drop on a new system

[chilly ruin]

I wish WRX90 boards were out for the new Threadripper build I'm getting : )

[slim heart]

It's already started arriving!

[celest jungle]

yo amazon next time try not to smash the $500 box lmfao

[slim heart]

Right?? They packed it loose in the box with the 10lb motherboard.

[violet spade]

Eh Intel packaging is sturdy enough on the inside it’ll be fine

[slim heart]

Yeah I'm not worried. It's the $2500 video card they better be careful with!

[celest jungle]

🙏

[limpid wave]

hey guys I have a question as I want to upgrade my PC and I'm at an hobby-level, but want to help on a project soon. I have a budget of 1500€ and live in France. Is that suitable enbough for a Pc that would help people for revshare and on limited and reasonable personal project personal....

[median marsh]

probably (i don't know the prices in france, tho), what kind of hardware do you already have right now?

[tough frost]

Hello slackers! I have RTX 4050 GPU for laptop. Which do you think is the best driver for Unreal Engine 5? I am using the latest studio driver but it is not stable.
Thanks.

[limpid wave]

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/ckjrt7 would be something like this and it would be slightly above budget but still acceptable... @median marsh

[median marsh]

i can't comment on the CPU/Board but the other parts look fine

a bigger SSD would be useful tho (1TB is really tough with Unreal and a bunch of assets)

and you might get more bangs for the bucks with an AMD GPU in that price range (if you don't need cuda (which unreal doesn't use at all))

they fixed it apparently!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edv3UcJw0nk

but yea, not a wise choice to use the same model name again

[limpid wave]

well ok thanks I will get the other one just in case, it is just like 1 or 3 dollars apart

[median marsh]

that was like 2 years ago... a company like gigabyte isn't going to sell bombs for 2 years...

[limpid wave]

well for the cpu cooler I want to overclock so I get just one of the best for that price range but if you have another suggestion, why not?

I know that^^ sadly my other psu is only 450 watts and that would clearly not fit

well I want to try it at least, have done it last time around 12 years ago but yeah i heard that today that's not a lot to get anymore

well I can understand that

oh thanks! (I have 3 cats at home)

the only thing that I would do personally in a few months after I bought it would be to get a second nvme ssd for projects and such

yes it has 2 nvme slots

oh really? didn't know about that one let me check

[median marsh]

i doubt that

there's 0 cost difference between the two slot types

[limpid wave]

yes its for nvme 4.0

[median marsh]

there's exactly two boards listed without M2 pci express, but they don't have an m2 slot at all

out of ~400

[worldly wharf]

yo guys. sometimes when i shutdown my PC, my CPU still running like the fans still spinning for about 5-10 mins then it shuts off completely. Is this normal?

[median marsh]

did you connect your fan to the AIO connector maybe?

i could imagine that they keep the AIO pump running for a while after shutdown

on the other hand, it can't damage the hardware, i even wrote myself a script which waits for the fans to stop spinning before powering off the computer

[worldly wharf]

im not sure where i connect my fan but since you said this has nothing to worry about then i guess its fine. Sometimes i just press the off button to make it really go away, i think thats a bad move

aight i will jsut let it run then goes off on its own.

[median marsh]

well, idk how well the pump connector would be suited for fan control in general...

is it always running at the same speed?

[worldly wharf]

i think so because when i try to read my CPU fans, my pc didnt detect my fans other than the one i connected to the CPU fan.

but they look like running at the same speed lol

[austere epoch]

Hello. was planning on building a computer. is this anygood, or should I make any changes?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ytz334

this computer is going to be used for gamedev, rendering in unreal. and houdini sims, mostly :D, but I would also like to be able to play games, but that is not the main goal

thanks, when do u think the 4070 will drop in price?

also, I was just told the "3D" was good. what duos it do exactly?

oh, I thought the 3D, ment better for everything in 3D, like modeling and stuff

thanks :D

haha, idk waht it means XD

[celest jungle]

good cache plays a vital role in realtime simulations like games. It's, afaik, part of the reason the MASS system works. It relies on cache non-invalidation lmao. I forget the real terms but they attempt to keep as much relevant data in cache at the right times for as long as it is needed, by processing data of the same type ion groups, rather than haphazradly hopping back and forth to any all data.

This is the primary concern of Entity Component Systems (ECS), which afaik, Mass is one.

So having that 3D cache helps with any realtime applications that use an ECS-like approache to cache optimization.

So the name 3D is actually possibly referring to its use in 3D apps. And it definitely mainly helps in games. That seems to be what it is known for in gaming circles.

(as well as meaning the physical arrangement of the die and cache)

[austere epoch]

then cache sounds importend for houdini?
or dous it not matter sinse it is not realtime sometimes?

[celest jungle]

Well it depends on the software itself having good optimization but yeah I bet houdini simulations, depending on what it is, might use data-oritented/ecs systems. Good cache is never a bad thing. I always shop for CPU with cache in mind. I have been bitten before by finding a "good deal" on a celeron CPU and realizing afterwards that 1 MHz is not the same on all CPU.

That was in like 1998 iirc lmfao

[violet spade]

This just proves that AMD sucks 😀 runs

[mighty cosmos]

My experience with vcache cpus has not been great (used some machines with them)

They are unpredictable, in some tasks they are drastically faster and in others drastically slower or randomly decide to be faster or slower on the same task

It's like there is some weird scheduling going on when it decides what to prioritize for the vcache cores

Oh christ

That kinda explains it then

[median marsh]

is it really that weird? guess they could also profit of the P/E core thing intel is doing

since schedulers get support for different kind of cores

the last decade everything was just the same, so no one cared probably

[opaque pond]

time to post dream build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8r8cN6 my beloved

[opaque pond]

faster main drive

well i guess just replace the 512 with a 1tb ssd

or that ye

[austere epoch]

Thanks @iron zenith @celest jungle and Blue Man. dont want to @ cus mod😅. Thanks a bunch guys!!

[median marsh]

@mighty cosmos

but yea, it's like 1pm here in europe, he is probably asleep rn

[gilded bluff]

Is AMD® Ryzen™ 9-7940HS
(8-cores; 16-threads)
32GB DDR5(with an upgrade)
512GB SSD NVMe M.2
15.6” WQHD IPS 165Hz
GeForce® RTX4060 8GB 140W asus tuf gaming a15 good lap top for unreal engine 5.3 or more to run it smoothly?

[median marsh]

SSD is too small

as a bare minimum, 1TB, better 2TB

[gilded bluff]

I don't want to make a big project

[median marsh]

specially since this is a laptop

[gilded bluff]

like overall it will be 100 GB project

[median marsh]

and you wont do anything other than unreal?

[gilded bluff]

yes

only unreal

[median marsh]

do you have another machine for packaging/cooking?

[gilded bluff]

like pc?

[median marsh]

yes

[gilded bluff]

I can have

but

[median marsh]

well you better do

[gilded bluff]

I move from one place into another and I need a lap top

[median marsh]

no one here is going to say/recommend you a 512GB SSD

specially since they aren't super expensive these days

[gilded bluff]

what about other characteristics? are they good enough?

[median marsh]

for small projects, yea

[gilded bluff]

the lap top can be upgraded to 1 tb

can I make projects like call of duty modern warfare 3 2011?

[median marsh]

most likely not

since that involved probably a hundred people

[gilded bluff]

is it possibe with that lap top?

[gilded bluff]

Can you give some examples for that small projects?

[median marsh]

yes (probably, not sure about the asset size tho)

no

[gilded bluff]

thank you

[mighty cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/pratinha-prata1-gif-19486473

[median marsh]

good morning!

[plush turret]

is there a good step by step for using virtualbox?

i found the right xp version i want, and was able to activate it on another machine, but i cant seem to make it work on Vbox

[median marsh]

virtualbox has a pretty foolproof machine creation mode?!

create a machine, mount a iso of the winxp install disc or link a real cd/dvd drive with the disc in it to the machine

and then install it as on any normal computer

[plush turret]

if it can be idiot fcked up, ill idiot it up

[median marsh]

when the installation is done install the virtual box guest additions from the virtualbox menu

for better mouse integration

[plush turret]

do i need a disk or just usb to mount it?

[median marsh]

both works

[plush turret]

can i just select the file from my HDD?

[median marsh]

if it's an iso you can map it to a virtual dvd drive

[plush turret]

i mean i have physical dvd,cd, and floppy drives (i have way to many adapters for my own good) so which would be best

yes im weird

no clue how to map something to a virtual drive

[plush turret]

is it possible to force a vm to use a specific set of cpu cores?

[gilded bluff]

What do you mean by that

[frank glade]

you guys assume you need a top of the line machine for packaging and compiling, as if you're just starting out and already churning out games...start small both in scope and hardware

If it ever goes past messing around with blueprints into something real then ok

[fresh fog]

Well they are asking if they can make AAA quality games on it

[frank glade]

AAA from 2011, what's it even worth today

[gilded bluff]

ok thanks

[flint wave]

im curious how ue5 will perform on my laptop, i9, 32(soon 64)gb ram, RTX 4070, regarding editor, and c++ compiling

but i have a desktop of course as well

[fallen oasis]

Perfectly fine

Though "i9" is not very descriptive.

[flint wave]

true, i9 13900h, compiles my c++ code pretty fast, but i will do a more detailed benchmark, can post it here

[flint wave]

yeah well desktops

after all laptops are still... laptops

😂

what system are you using now?

hard to guess, but which conf

just wanted to compare with my system

[frank glade]

My 13600k is only a bit better than a 13900H and mine is perfectly smooth for UE5

1060 6gb was not though, a lot of lag

A 4050 would be the mininum I imagine

[devout pendant]

what is the best affordable USB audio card? SBX G6 is the most expensive one.

[celest jungle]

13900hx laptop cpu outperforms the previous gen 12900k desktop cpu lmfao

but that is cpu alone. Once ur GPU starts eating ur thermal/power budget, you will not have as strong performance.

[lethal geode]

how come my 2.5 ssd shows in the bios but not on windows? Its all plugged in

[fallen oasis]

What do you mean by "shows"?

Did you add a volume to it and format it?

[fervent jolt]

in 2024 it has to be asked, why are you shopping for an audio card at all though

[devout pendant]

integrated realtek is shit

[fervent jolt]

...

i remember when it was in... like 2005

[devout pendant]

Sound Blaster AE-5 seems to be the one to get

[fervent jolt]

Enjoy your placebo

[frank glade]

I much prefer an external DAC + amp, I mean it's a big difference

[devout pendant]

it's for playing games

[wind egret]

If you're not half deaf after 30 seconds, did you really pay enough for your sound system?

[plush turret]

my $30 "came with the dell in 2004" speakers and built in audio seems to me just as good as the $180 specialty speakers that most audio enthusiasts suggest i get

[wind egret]

Only $180? Suspicious.

[plush turret]

these were the suggested ones: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09FXG9BLR/

if i could id rather wire up the kenwood stereo speakers my dad has for the radio, the only problem is they weigh like 40 pounds each and are like a full cubic meter

[wind egret]

Those sound amazing. I mean, they sound like they sound amazing. 🥁

A USB sound card does not sound like it sounds amazing.

[devout pendant]

everybody says that with a proper sound card the game's audio is much better.

[fervent jolt]

Dac + amp can be easily justified as long as you've got the right cans I think

[median marsh]

yea with a good speaker+amp setup

but the general "onboard is shit" is bullshit

some cheap af boards may still get noise in the audio signal from other components, but in general they are more than good enough for normal people

[frank glade]

yeah, and not for gaming, just music

[median marsh]

meanwhile i'm using onboard realtek, hooked to an almost 20 years old logitech z4 powered by an old car amplifier because the internal one already died 😄

[frank glade]

I have a cheapo combo and a pair of cheapo grados and it does wonders lol

[violet spade]

Doesn’t beat Ben’s post-apocalyptic setup

[limpid wave]

two builds with the exact same motherboard, one for ddr4 and one for ddr5, have a difference for me (in France) of around 100€, worth getting or not for an entry level Unreal and blender build?

[median marsh]

i would go for it (if you upgrade the CPU later on you would be mad if you didn't)

i guess the difference for now isn't much, but i guess future CPUs might not support DDR4?!

[limpid wave]

yeah I guess so and I think there is a performance difference, is there?

between ddr4 and ddr5 for producitvity workloads

[median marsh]

on paper of course, how much it benefits your workflow is questionable 😄

[limpid wave]

that's what frustrates me, there is no list on which workflow it benefits and which not.... (if there is please link it....) I would be programming in unreal in C++, doing blender render work, AI and such

[median marsh]

tbh there won't be many applications which profit of it

ddr4 is 26gb/sec vs ddr5 with ~40gb/sec

something has to deliver/process that amount of data first, which is questionable

moving textures from host memory to video memory would be quicker, which could result in less hitches while playing games (under the optimal assumption that the game is smart enough to keep the textures in host memory in the first place)

[limpid wave]

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/BdwTt7
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/d7Zkz6
here are my two builds

[limpid wave]

I see but gaming will not be the main focus if at all

and well I'm really on a budget so every € I can spend less on no noticeable performance gain is appreciated

[median marsh]

well you can probably save a few bucks if you go for a cheaper case 😄

but beside of that the build looks already pretty good from a price/value view

[limpid wave]

I've considered and will do that it is not final final this config

I will maybe go with a 750 W powersupply, a 14600KF and a cheaper case

[median marsh]

if you don't play much games i would cheap out on the gpu and go with a 3060 (nonti) for now

which is imho the best for budget builds which are meant to just get stuff done 😄

and then invest the money in a 2TB SSD, a 14xxx series cpu and a better mainboard

[limpid wave]

I don't know because I do some realistic renders in blender and do real time VFX, I was also eyeing on the 4060 TI 16 gig version for Vram

[median marsh]

the 4060 16GB has slower memory than the 3060 12GB afaik

idk how much that affects the work tho

[limpid wave]

if comparing with pugetbench the difference is noticeable and being bottlenecked by my 2060 right now with 6gb vram and before with my 960 with 4gb nv ram and I did work too....

but damn the 3060 with its price point is attractive AF

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/impact-of-ddr5-speed-on-content-creation-performance-2023-update/#Game_Development_and_Virtual_Production

apparently switching the ram would benefit my performance for unreal

[median marsh]

well, those are tasks where a few seconds don't matter much (even if we talk about 1-2 minutes, those are tasks that take 20 minutes to begin with) 😄

[limpid wave]

honestly right more for a hot reload in unreal I'm waiting around 10-15 min for a small variable change

[median marsh]

i guess thats primary bottlenecked by your CPU right now

[limpid wave]

and this is driving me crazy

but yeah you're right because i think that if hot reloading takes like 20 or 25 sec after my upgrade it won't matter

I'm not like compilling the engine each day or something lol

but I'm also compiling shaders a lot so I'm hesitant to trade the gpu with something else and I don't know exactly if 12 gig vram or 16 gig vram are needed because well when you optimize your scene so much that it fits on 4 or 6, you become hesitant....

and if I go with ddr4 I can first get 32 gig, see if it works and then upgrade to 64 with 2 more stick, because I heard that quad channel with ddr5 is iffy....

[frank glade]

There are those cool 2x48gb kits too

[median marsh]

unreal shaders compile on the cpu

[limpid wave]

yes and optimising for real-time sim hit your gpu hard

[median marsh]

thing is for dev you will always need more VRAM than for the packaged product

because you usually see way more of the overall level, not just a restricted scene out of the user perspective (where only the textures that are required will be loaded)

also keep in mind, if you model yourself, you'll most likely have blender and unreal open at the same time which increases your vram requirement even more

with my old 6GB card i often had to close unreal just to make some changes in blender

[limpid wave]

for me personally this isn't a dealbreaker

[limpid wave]

but yes i can see that it is indeed handy

[limpid wave]

so... should I trade the 4070 for 4060 ti 16 gig which would lighten also the cost?

because I could go as low as 1400€ with a 4060ti

yeah but as I heard AMD has all kind of problems with unreal and amd rendering with blender is...slow, so the 4070 super it is ?

I know and that's frustrating

I never tried a AMD graphic card

the problem is that sometimes and I say sometimes I use AI stuff

stable diffusion, let me check if it supports AMD

https://github.com/nod-ai/SHARK this one works even better apparently

but i don't tested it

[limpid wave]

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/LpkTN6 with this build (because I heard that if you go with a AMD gpu it's better to go full AMD) I would be below the 1500€ mark which was my target initally and I would also get 16 gig of Vram

[median marsh]

i doubt that AMD claimed that

they probably just show off the stuff on their own CPUs for the very own reason of free cross marketing 😄

get an x570 board imho (if you go with a "old" AMD)

[limpid wave]

with picking it independently I can go a bit lower on the price https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/dDvVCd

[median marsh]

the x570 has more bandwidth from cpu => chipset, so if you add a 2nd SSD later it will run at a good speed (which with B550 is way less likely)

if you are really looking for an 5900x i would rather consider an used system

[limpid wave]

yeah I absolutely need wifi sorry

[limpid wave]

I would really avoid if possible to get used have some not good experience with it personally

[fresh fog]

Also for what it's worth you don't need integrated motherboard wifi.
Sometimes you're paying a premium when a separate card, a dongle, or even a powerline adapter can be just as effective

If you can get one for good value though, go for it

[limpid wave]

that's true too and my internet speed is abysmal anyway

[dense mirage]

Why is the 4060 so hated, it looks amazing except for that 128 bit bus size

16gb of vram is pretty hard to come by for a ngreedia card too

[median marsh]

i think it's not super bad

[dense mirage]

Because it isnt bad

[median marsh]

overall it outperforms a 3060 apparently

and gives you 4GB more video memory

[dense mirage]

It's a nice card, gamers hate it. Not sure how it does with workstation performance compared to 3060 tho

[median marsh]

gamers hate a lot of things they don't understand

because someone said it's bad

[dense mirage]

It's because they're all still using ryzen 5 2600xs with ddr3 ram clocked at 2113mhz and wonder why they aren't getting good performance

[fresh fog]

#hardware message

[dense mirage]

Saw a guy on youtube benchmark minecraft with a old ass cpu paired with rx 6750 xt and said it was a bad gpu because his fps was around the same with the older card

It's a cpu heavy game. Some people just need to buy consoles and save themselves the time and trouble

[median marsh]

the memory bandwidth is probably still enough to keep up with the amount of frames it's able to generate

[dense mirage]

Yeah, rx 6750 xt has all three of thos, I think. Exceptional 1440p gpu. I think it has 12-16gb vram

Too bad it shot up to $500+ from $370 where I am,

The guy was using a ryzen 7 3700x + rx 6750 xt

[fallen oasis]

As much as you can afford. Vram is important

E.g. A 12gb 3060 is probably better than an 8gb 3070

So is system ram. 32gb+

[median marsh]

that's fine too, even tho people tend to get at least 8 cores

both

so 7700X if you go for AM5 platform

i wouldn't take those stats as only reference...

unless you plan on doing mostly shader/engine compilation 😄

[dense mirage]

Wow ryzen 5 7600x is killing it

[median marsh]

xD

[ ] you know how to read graphs

[dense mirage]

Its killing it in a bad way

[median marsh]

nice try

UE5 even performs better under most circumstances (and given the right settings)

UE5 is UE4 with sugar coat on top

you don't do yourself a favor sticking to UE4 (imho)

[dense mirage]

To pretend you're busy of course

[median marsh]

yea, but what's the average development time of a lumen game that's worth it's money 😄

probably a few years...

[celest jungle]

I am 100% on lumen no baked lighting but then again yeah my game won't be relevant or good for a few more years lmfao

probably neither, never

[devout pendant]

Hi

What can you say about this laptop?
HP Victus Gaming 16-R0073CL 16.1" (FHD IPS 144Hz, Core i7 13700HX, 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD, 8GB RTX4060)

What's the lowest I will need to use lumen?

What is lacking in the above laptop? Graphics card or ram?

[fresh fog]

I don't imagine for lumen development you want anything less than a top of the range desktop

[devout pendant]

But if characteristics are the same, what's the difference between laptop and desktop in terms of power? Genuinely asking, not very experienced with hardware

[fresh fog]

Laptop hardware is significantly less powerful

I think a laptop 4090 is something like a 4070 super?

Not sure if I got that one right

But yeah, everything has to be underpowered because of the form factor

[devout pendant]

Are desktops generally cheaper than laptops?

Just found this - (I7, 32GB RAM, 512GB M.2 SSD, 1TB HDD, RTX4060), that is like a couple hundreeds cheaper than the above HP Victus I described.

And just all around cheaper than laptops I looked at

[fresh fog]

Building your own is cheaper still

[devout pendant]

Got it

Got it, thanks for the advice.

[devout pendant]

It's I7 10700

Thanks

[frank glade]

that seems quite expensive

[fresh fog]

It does indeed. For that price point I'd be expecting something like a 4070 super/6700 XT and 64GB RAM and a few TB storage

[celest jungle]

Lumen is fine on a 3060. Laptop 4090 is literally the exact same as a desktop 4080 but underclocked. 16gb vram, same gpu die, performance of a 3090 ti, or a 4070 ti.

IMO, if ur getting a laptop for ue it needs to be a 4080 or 4090. The 4060 and 4070 laptop cards are not able to even reach their full power due to voltage limits.

But lumen is fine on a (desktop) 3060 no problem.

As for the cpu i was developing a lumen project on an old i7 6700k with a 3070. It’s not as demanding as people think. You just won’t be testing high end spec targets. You’ll be able to make and play the game tho.

[frank glade]

How about this to get an idea of components? https://www.logicalincrements.com/

[celest jungle]

What country are you in?

if this person were in the USA a cheap computer would be at their doorstep already. I'm guessing eastern europe

nailed it

Romania

[frank glade]

Then @devout pendant just get a prebuilt gaming pc from pcgarage, tell them to add more ram

Prices are usually on point, but if not I usually order stuff from caseking for cheaper

Also here configurable pre builds

https://bestware.com/en/desktop-pc

With a ton more options

[frank glade]

That was way off

Oh yes, but forget about it if you're in Asia

[median marsh]

romania is part of asia?

[celest jungle]

I blame elon musk's website

oh shoot I profiled the wrong person lmfao

[celest jungle]

in terms of the range of large world coordinates it was amazingly precise.

I am bad at math, but it was close to within less than 1% of the possible range.

[celest jungle]

it is just the origin of the hitbox

[crisp kernel]

technically speaking, Romania to Turkey is not that far and most of Turkey is in Asia, haha

[plush turret]

Its hardware running trillions of trillions of useless calculations a second. The earth is hungry, libinous, and also keeping an insane number of chrome tabs open. And some part of its hardware is almost always on fire to some degrer

[violet spade]

Silicon makes up 27.7% of the Earth's crust by mass and is the second most abundant element.
Yes

[median marsh]

https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu-displays/amd-issues-special-promotional-pricing-for-its-radeon-rx-7900-xt-and-xtx-graphics-cards/

wish nvidia would give a damn and cut their prices, too 😄

they still want 2k for a 4090 😦

[celest jungle]

I meant the range of large world coordinates. My guess could have been as far off as 88 million km. I was within 6k km.

[plush turret]

wont go down till the 5090 somes out probably

[plush turret]

on a game server level is there a downside to using dual CPU's? one of the options were looking at is marginally more costly but it has 3x the ram, drive space, bandwidth and a dual cpu

Dual E5 2620v4

[fallen oasis]

As long as you're not sharing threads between them, not really?