hardware

[median marsh]

xD

i'll approve Laura's statement

[lethal geode]

great

thanks !!

[plush turret]

is it easier to modify settings with a desktop than a laptop? like power usage and such? and better control over program resource usage stuff?

is there no way short of a VM to control how much ram and cpu resource a program uses?

[magic roost]

Still trying to find someone with Non-3D Ryzen 7950X, 7900X, 7800X, 7700X, 7600X and someone else with 5800X3D to help me test out a bug on UE5.1 or 5.2. If you have one and willing to spend few minutes to test small thing, please let me know. (If interested there's lot of chat about it #profiling some days back). I know non-3D 5000 series works, and 7000-3Ds' don't. Only question is if it is 7000 series (both 3D and non-3D) problem, or if it just 3D v-cache technology problem

I'm asking here cause at least people discussing hardware probably know what hardware they have lol

[flint lichen]

is this good idea to buy rtx 4070 rn? any better choices in this price range?

[sonic birch]

Hey, thank you a lot for your reply !!!! 🙂

[iron crest]

does 4 channel vs 8 channel memory matter at all for IDE responsiveness and itteritive compilation? I know it makes a sizable impact on shader compilation but that is done pretty sparingly now in UE5

[plush turret]

aside from number of plugs, and price, is there much difference to get the RM1000x over the RM1000e? no one seems to have the E in stock anywhere in the country, and the X does have more plugs for SATA power so i can plug in multiple drives into my computer for backup disks.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BYQHWJXC
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-RM1000x-Fully-Modular-Supply/dp/B08R5PH1VY/

[plush turret]

which of these is the better buy? 1️⃣ 2️⃣ 3️⃣

what about this one?

would speed be limited by motherboard or is that not really a factor?

unless its a total shit motherboard

MSI z690 is the one im using

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09KKYXXQB/

and what is dual sided?

does it mean i can flip them around?

and its best to if i plan to expand the ram get all 4 sticks of the same type right?

at least the same speed

[glossy crag]

The exact same model is best.

[plush turret]

i know that but failing that (like people stop carrying it)

are these more SATA ports?

[opaque pond]

yes

[violet spade]

if it looks like an SATA and quacks like an SATA..

[plush turret]

this thing has wayy more ports than i expected

and what are these for? looks like more power in

well acording to the amazon page:

im assuming the 6400mhz memory wouldnt be as effective or?

[thorny oak]

Yes, 2x cpu 8-pin. The 4800mhz speed is probably just listing jdec standard and isn't particularly relevant, 6400 would be set with an XMP profile.

[plush turret]

whats the orange for

i know blue is 3.0

is orange 3.2?

[thorny oak]

probably. Double check with manual if unsure

[plush turret]

any known issues with WD baracuda drives?

seem good price for size

[thorny oak]

probably okay but both WD and seagate have released relatively unreliable drives at one time or another

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-q3-2023/ usually dig around here to make sure the drive I'm looking at isn't particularly prone to failure (isn't barracuda seagate though, not WD?)

[violet spade]

Yeah, they’re not SSDs

[plush turret]

and?

[violet spade]

Waste of money

Step into the new age

Welcome to 2023

SSDs are not really that expensive anymore

😁

[plush turret]

and if i need 8TB+ of long term visual storage?

for less than $500

i used disk drives for movies and tv shows where read speed isnt really the issue because you know, 720p at 24fps

[violet spade]

Yeah but do you really still need to store movies and shows nowadays when you can find them on the net ?

[plush turret]

and my home wifi is 0.3mb/s down and 0.045mb/s up?

not everyone has gigabit fiber

[plush turret]

yes

also theres not really the need for only SSD's you know, sometimes you simply want to be able to store all your photos and videos, or even old builds of your project long term storage

[violet spade]

Ah, that makes more sense

[plush turret]

you dont need rapid speeds if your simply storing the files, you can always transfer them to the SSD when you need them

[frank glade]

870 qvo at 8tb is $332

but I get it, I also use a 8tb hdd

[plush turret]

16tb of disk space is $300ish, 16TB of SSD is $2,000

and if im making backups weekly or every 3 days depending on how much im doing in the project i need some real space

[violet spade]

Makes sense if you’re on dial-up, I can see how using proper source control would be a pain

Prly going to take a week to upload your game to Steam if you ever commercialize it

[plush turret]

so i use large disk drives, one internal one in a big ass fireproof anti static safe

oh when i upload or download things i head over to my friend who has 27MB down and 30MB up speeds, i just cant live there

and i work from home

[fallen oasis]

You need to give him a wifi router as a present and then conveniently park your RV outside his house.

[fervent jolt]

hm, not using any source control? (and if so, why not go with e.g. rolling backups of the server, so that you never bother storing more than just a couple images of it?)

[plush turret]

my source control is limited to what i can afford on disability and what i can access with my wifi because friend lives an hour away

[fervent jolt]

well you said you have a fireproof safe, so there's your "offsite" backup

you can just run your source control locally?

[plush turret]

assuming i could get a computer to host it, when all i need to do is swap around large drives

[fervent jolt]

well what are you developing on now, a toaster oven?

or ... maybe i understand what you mean, it is an unusual physical effort if it's your main machine? compared to a smaller standalone box

too bad you couldn't just keep the drive inside the fireproof safe and write to it remotely

[plush turret]

i have one in safe one in rig, and yes atm a toaster oven

[serene dome]

Dual-sided or double-sided modules just mean they have memory chips on both sides of the PCB. There is no performance difference between single-sided and double-sided modules. For that, you would have to look at how the modules are organized but not many vendors bother to display information that specific.

[fervent jolt]

well... if the toaster oven is powerful enough to open unreal, it's powerful enough to run a git or perforce server. shitty predicament and i feel for you but i see no excuses to avoid source control, that's just making your situation even more difficult

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. You can run a local source control server.

Even a raspberry pi hooked up to a nas could run a git server.

https://www.instructables.com/GitPi-A-Private-Git-Server-on-Raspberry-Pi/

😄

Just modify that for the nas and job done.

[plush turret]

"runs" is charitable

"doesnt crash when you place a block" is more realistic

blender refuses to load anything more than ~6k triangles

[median marsh]

there are even NAS which could run git (e.g. anything that can run FreeNAS)

[fervent jolt]

anyway the point i wanted to make is, spending an extra several hundred dollars on extra storage space to make tons of manual backups instead of just using source control is not a winner's move, not under any circumstances

[median marsh]

of course it is

source control doesn't replace backups

i don't use source control on assets for example, because it makes UE awful slow in my experience (with git) instead i make incremental backups which just backup changed files

and once in a while a full backup

storage is super cheap, compared to what an hour of development would cost

[frank glade]

I use onedrive, got one huge folder for all assets and asset sources, works very easily

[fervent jolt]

...

[plush turret]

agreed, if i fill 16tb of builds then something is going either really right or really wrong. and by the point it starts to really fill i can either erase the really old files, or i can simply buy more storage. and if i dont need rapid access to the drive it doesnt need to be SSD, modern disk drives are plenty fast enough for simple file transfer (i usually do it overnight)

[median marsh]

my incremental backup usually takes less than a minute, unless i've done a lot of light builds (which are the heavy files)

and my backup tool deletes old backups, so it keeps one for each month and one for each day of the last week, etc.

[plush turret]

disk drives will not be going anywhere anytime soon

its too cost effective a tech for its use cases to vanish entirely

[median marsh]

also solid state disks are the worst choice for backups, regarding long time storage

i think most only guarantee 6 months of data integrity when unpowered

[plush turret]

yeah vs magnetic disk which when properly stored have YEARS of shelf life

i have a 32gb IDE style HDD from 1998 that still works

[median marsh]

yea but i'm pretty sure that some bits flipped by now

hard disks are more like 5-10 years iirc

and older ones might last somewhat longer, cause the data density is way lower

[plush turret]

runs win xp home and it plays 16 and 32 bit games

defrag it every few years but yeah its still a solid reliable drive

its in a laptop with a 3.5 inch floppy drive

[median marsh]

well if you defrag it every now and then chances are higher that data survives longer

since it gets written freshly

a modern 16TB drive stores 500x as much compared to 32gb 😄 (probably on more platters tho)

[plush turret]

yeah but spends the majority of the time between sitting on a shelf or running ancient games

SSD's are nice for everyday use, but disk drives are fully mature tech

the care, growth, and setup for them is well known

still has an SSD with a 32gb optaine drive

[median marsh]

so are SSDs by now

i also have an 72GB ssd which still works fine, and the wearout is like 5% or smth

[plush turret]

but you cant really defrag an SSD

[median marsh]

ssd's while powered, refresh their cells

[plush turret]

tbh wasnt optaine like some specialized drive speed booster?

[median marsh]

wasn't that smth like hard disks with a small flash cache?

[plush turret]

yeah mine was 500gb with a 32gb flash

it chewed through games really good

especially ones that were hard on cpu and such resources

(my current laptop sucks, luckily its gone by end of year)

[radiant summit]

I'm looking for a laptop for wifey's 11 year old niece.
general usecases: school stuffs, building games (rollercoaster tycoons/planet coaster/maybe cities skylines (unmodded).
creating documents, some drawing apps, and I might install some other creative apps on it, not expecting her to do much with it, but she does show interest in my line of work, so if I can create that spark in her (she'll hate me for it later XD) I think that'd be awesome.
I filtered within the price range:
https://tweakers.net/laptops/vergelijken/#filter:TY_LCsIwEEV_pcy6lDxt6U4sgouC2KW4CGXUQPogDUVb-u8mIpjVcO4c5iYr6H5G65rnMDZosHV66KG8KzNhCqN6YKMXhJIS4tHqFmv18sj-rL1fBLRolNMznkNc2WH8rkhGZQrTiO1RG4d2gnIFLkgeZhcMoDIjkEIXLgMtPGwpUJrzoMzKQHkFyTjcfCxEEcf7ukou7wX7JPcXTr1DkxwGi4nOvzrnUkZFu7iI_ZqEYNFjJGWR5D9GgrVtHw
any thoughts would be appreciated :)

[plush turret]

Idk exactly how close it is to what you want but i would suggest a 700 or 800 series HP Elitebook, I have a 745 g5, and it has reasonable game playing ability, the hardware in its pretty tough, mine gets banged around a LOT as im clumsy and move around a lot. it also has some outstanding security and parental control features and it handles my biz admin college classes very well alongside playing cities skylines and fallout 4/nv.

some versions support a touch screen that can be used for drawing, and i have used my 745 for almost 3 years now, its reliable, easy to upgrade (i enhanced the ram) and supports all form factors of SSD

I got one for my sister in law who is in highschool and the fact that the thing has full finger biometrics helps keep everything on it secure

If drawing is the main focus I can atest from personal experience a Dell inspiron 7590 2n1 is really good, 2gb gpu kinda lags today but it does have an HDR 4K capable touch screen with full pen support

[radiant summit]

thanks @plush turret thats some info I'll def take with me :)

[median marsh]

the 11 years old girl in me wants the one with the red glowing keyboard

[plush turret]

both those i can attest to with substantial personal experience

[plush turret]

whatever laptop you ultimately get, my one push is "full size keyboard" the only reason i use my razor external is for the numpad because MANY MANY games use that for second hand control

i originally bought it because the "e" key on the 7590 broke and typing with your E key broken is near impossible

[median marsh]

from all those i would pick the lenovo btw. from all laptop i've seen those did look best and least worn off after a few years

while HP quality seems to be pretty low compared to that

[plush turret]

yeah i agree general HP devices suck shit, the Elitebooks are made for industry use and if they broke then every government agency ive interacted with for the last 4 years wouldnt almost exclusively use them

[fallen oasis]

Depends what the backhanders are like for the people obtaining them.

[plush turret]

i mean i got mine from a company that went into rapid downsizing during covid

[fallen oasis]

I'm not saying the aren't good, but saying they are good because they are ubiquitous is a big fallacy.

[plush turret]

im rough on tech without even trying, to the point where my average laptop lasted about 4 years and had an almost predictable hard drive failure every year

[fallen oasis]

It's akin to saying that any music which is popular must be good simply because a lot of people listen to it.

[plush turret]

i have tons of motor skill problems while also being in a farmers body that can chuck haybales 12 feet into a loft, if i can break my cars stearing wheel but not this computer its built well

also the elitebook 655 is in the list so

and both ram and SSD can be easily self upgraded in those

weirdly a lot of laptops arent upgrade friendly these days, the backs are pretty hard to get off and put back on

[radiant summit]

commiting files with one hand, chucking haybales with the other.

[plush turret]

yes

chopping trees one handed while placing map elements

its why im going to make wood framing for my 4000D tower as pretty bits because i love nature and i love games

[fresh fog]

Then you try to run Cities Skylines 2 and it all sets on fire :P

[plush turret]

current rig actively attempts to be a space heater

[radiant summit]

hehe

[ancient kernel]

Hi! I’m looking to get into unreal engine 5. I want a laptop, and not a pc. Can you guys recommend me one from experience? It cannot be Lenovo or Asus, as I got a Lenovo Slim i9 2023 one earlier ans it really failed within one month use and had to argue for 3 months straight with support to get a refund. Not Asus because you need to pay for posting it to the company in times of fails and faults.

I want high-end specs and a good quality build. I don’t care much about graphics or size, as long as the maths work really well. I’m willing to spend extra (4,000 - 5,000+) for a good laptop that is at least reliable with good storage. 32 ram, i9 or i7 depending on what you think is good or any equivalent, big space, good coolling system if its a gaming one. But I’m open if its a work professional one.

I’m not a gamer and I’m gonna use this for the purpose of building games, that aren’t high quality. I might plan to run some assets from unreal engine though, so you can consider it a small AAA game.

In the case I decide to use blender or big assets and fields in the engine, I need it to be compatible if I’m going to add a bunch of mechanics. For this, it needs to run unreal engine and word docs well.

Fun fact: the lenovo one that was a gaming laptop, bruh, didnt use it for any development yet but just opening word doc had the laptop head up too fast. Within 1 month the laptop began reseting itself and having dark black screens. So just heads up if you're looking to get Lenovo. Just look at the reviews at the customer area in their websites.

I want it to be windows or linux preferable but if you tried mac and it works well, please let me know. Still heard max is bad with it though but I'm willling to give it ago if you guys convince me enough 😄

Thanks in advance.

[low fulcrum]

Alright fellow geeks, what's the best phone for gaming and multi-tasking/security? From my understanding apple has the best in regards to security over android, but idk. But I also don't feel like paying 1500$ for a damn phone because of the brand. Would love to hear thoughts.

But I really just want one with good battery life and shit etc.

[violet spade]

32GB of RAM won’t be enough. I do wonder about this recent mass fascination with laptops for game dev. I guess if you live in a van or travel a lot it can come in handy but otherwise seems like a waste of money. Unless this is some school requirement 🤷‍♂️

[fallen oasis]

I'm sure for most people it's so you can sit in a trendy café and switch between drinking a latte, writing your novel and creating your niche game.

[violet spade]

Pick up girls with the “oh sorry, I was just making video games” 😁

“Look, I can make the game say hello to you!”

[fallen oasis]

"Oh? Sorry! That was my game asking for your number."

[fresh fog]

"Oh what am I working on? Oh nothing really, just making a horror game, set in the universe of my novel that's a subtle political commentary on the state of the world currently." sips latte "... Buuut I wouldn't expect you to understand that*

[violet spade]

“Oh…you didn’t ask? My bad”

[median marsh]

@eager surge is that you?

[eager surge]

what

i dont make a horror game no

[median marsh]

maybe you don't know it yet, lot's of indie games actually turn out as horror

[eager surge]

ok

[median marsh]

i better shut up now.... 😄

[eager surge]

Which one

[median marsh]

he's confusing your game dialogues with discord dialogues with you

[eager surge]

Delightfyl ah

A cheeseplate and a full bathtub.

[ancient kernel]

Nah im a CS student who was always interested in game dev since a kid. I tried a bit of godot and I enjoyed it. Now I dont want to use unity since people are kinda shitting on it. And since I know C++ than C#, I am looking to get into unreal. Plus the job market is bigger in either unity or unreal rather than godot.

My last laptop was an 8GB it was struggling with the godot engine when I added lowpoly assets.

I'm looking to travel with this laptop and use it for both work and dev stuff and i really want to use unreal. If 32 isnt enough, I'll opt for 64 i dont mind the extra costs. Im doing this in interest and curiousity.

So any recomendation ill be hapoy with. Ive been recommended Alienware m16 and Dell XPS 17. Im also looking into HP OMEN 16 or the trancend version.

Do let me know if there are any alternative u guys tried that u think would be great

[plush turret]

do these even work? just curious, https://www.amazon.com/English-Version-Computer-Temperature-Secondary/dp/B09WJGP8BN/

i like the idea that it can give me that data while im working on games that dont react well to switching screens

[hollow mist]

could just use open hardware monitor 🤷‍♂️

[plush turret]

one screen, usually in full screen and the programs cause the screen to go screwy every time you alt+tab out of them and then freeze for a good 30-90 seconds after tabbing back in

thats not concerning at all:

or that:

i have chrome, discord, and steam open, and the company forced watchdog program running in the background

[thorny oak]

correct, package temp of 52 is not concerning, especially under heavy load

[plush turret]

this is constant 24/7 heavy load when the device is on

[thorny oak]

what is actually using the CPU though? Tons of chrome tabs or is the watchdog program just really terrible?

[plush turret]

watchdog is 14 different little programs constantly pulling data including keylogger

i set them all to only use a single thread but doesnt seem like they respect that

is thread 0-7 in respective cores 1-4?

[plush turret]

well temp went to 64C and stayed there for a full 3 minutes

[thorny oak]

am I remembering correctly that this is a 2500u laptop?

these are normal temps for that sort of load

[plush turret]

i hope so, still seems weird that its being used that much

regular 100% cpu usage

[thorny oak]

oh true, I agree something weird is going on with that usage. Even with very aggressive and inefficient watchdog software in the mix

[hollow mist]

seems highly unusual 🤨

[kindred grove]

Any good black friday deals?

[vernal sigil]

30% off 3Dxconnection spacemouse for 3D modeling, 40% Razer blade 15, 25% off embody / Aeron chairs ( 100% would recommend for this who sit for hours back pain be gone), Gunnar glasses ~30% off (no more eye strain) , 20% WQHD curved Alienware monitor (20-40%) Dell monitors , approx 30% gaming monitors at Best Buy. 🤷‍♂️

New egg has a bunch but too much variety that I have no knowledge to filter

Here’s a link to a local store with all their hardware discount, so you can see what you might expect elsewhere https://www.centralcomputer.com/pub/media/pdf/BFCM_2023_FULL_DISCOUNT_LIST_1.pdf

[fallen oasis]

I definitely need to a buy a monitor.

[fresh fog]

Is newegg still scummy? I remember the drama with their RMA's a while ago

[fallen oasis]

Oh Laura. Can you recommend a 4k monitor!?

[violet spade]

I would say so yeah

even if not scummy, I don't think they have actual decent prices

[fresh fog]

I can reccomend one if you want @fallen oasis

I'm having great enjoyment out of the 4k model of the Asus ProArt

it's a cracking monitor

[violet spade]

for me, pcpartpicker was awesome because it finds the lowest price out there currently

[fresh fog]

not literally thankfully

[fresh fog]

pcpp is my pc building bible

although not literally because it's not perfect

[fallen oasis]

I welcome any and all recommendations.

[violet spade]

no, but most of the time it's accurate

[fresh fog]

misses a lot on tolerances, you still need to know somewhat

but it's great for pricing up a rough build

i was disheartened to hear my dream personal unreal rig (not insanely specced) was £1700 :(

[violet spade]

I recently upgraded everything except for my GPU

futureproofed it to a certain extent tho, so I should be able to run at least a 30 series if not a 40 and not have to change anything else

[fresh fog]

my hardware is getting older, but it still does what i want so im pretty chill with it for now

Ryzen 5 2600, RX580 and 16GB RAM

does what i need in unreal, and games for now

I do want more RAM but it's not a priority

If i was going to upgrade it would be to an entirely new system

[violet spade]

16?!!

😱

what engine version are you running?

[vernal sigil]

What’s good place, idk much I’m a tech noob 😭 been using Mac since 2011 so not know anything at this point

[vernal sigil]

Is this low or high ?

[violet spade]

way too low

[fresh fog]

I haven't touched the engine in a while, so still on 4.26.
I'm planning on doing an upgrade back up to 5.3.2 when I get back into personal project but motivation is hard

[violet spade]

PCPartPicker.com is decent for pricing out a build and making sure stuff is compatible (to a certain extent)

[fresh fog]

my only project i was working on needs a major rewrite because I was dumb, and have worked in the industry since then and learned a lot

[violet spade]

yeah fair enough. Don't upgrade to 5.3 until you get more RAM tho, you'll hate your life lol

[fresh fog]

Eh, I will make it work

Also planning on running a source build so I can't wait for my 10 hour compilation

[vernal sigil]

So up until this point I was just gonna get a egpu to plug into my Mac hopping 16gb was enough but now you worry me that I might need a desktop instead

[violet spade]

for 5.3 the recommended is 64

I'm running 48 and it's erm...okay

16GB tho... you're going to hate your life

[violet spade]

I mean, I wish you well good Sir. 😄

[fresh fog]

when in doubt delete portions of the engine you don't need :P

MacOS stuff? Gone.
Linux? Gone
Android? Gone
Windows? Gone... ah shit

[violet spade]

when in doubt, compile in editor, just to make sure it works. then close the editor, delete all the relevant folders and rebuild them again because why not? 😄

[fresh fog]

now we're thinking with portals

But yeah I've been looking at a nice 3060ti/4070 with a ryzen 5 5800x/i7 13700k, 64GB RAM, and 4tb of sweet ssd.
It's just so damn expensive

[violet spade]

do you need 4tb? I do ok with 1tb mind you I don't keep my games installed after I'm done playing them

I do have a HDD to keep stuff I don't really need on too

[hardy marten]

I also need to buy a new monitor

[fresh fog]

Yeah, it's a gaming rig as well, as housing unreal projects plus a source build.
It's basically my safety net for not needing to upgrade

I'm running 1.5TB now and im struggling, and that's without any UE

[hardy marten]

a 4070 x 1080p60 monitor ain't cutting it

[fresh fog]

4TB is also the cheap part relatively speaking, it's only about £200 for 4TB of SSD

[violet spade]

tbh I may have built the PC first and then decided to get into game dev 😅 so prly not the best choice of CPU but I got an i5-12600K and 48GB of RAM (because I had bought a 16GB one already 🙈 ) My 2060 is handling its own but it's clear I need more VRAM

[fresh fog]

It's that GPU and schnizzle that's getting me

[violet spade]

1080p seems ermm dated

[hardy marten]

exactly

[violet spade]

mind you I don't have a 4k one either

[hardy marten]

but I spent all the money on the rig itself

all of my peripherals (except the headphones) are shit

[violet spade]

my native res is 1920 x 1080 😅

[fresh fog]

i love 1080p
(i can't tell a difference between that and 1440p)

[fresh fog]

calls 1080p dated but uses 1080p 🧠

[violet spade]

well

[hardy marten]

i don't have enough to buy them lol

[hardy marten]

heh??

[violet spade]

apparently I can also switch to this

idk why, or if that was there before

[hardy marten]

so you have a 4k monitor?

[violet spade]

it kinda looks like shit tho

doubt it? 😅

[hardy marten]

lmao just check it

[violet spade]

looks like a 2k

😄

ok

yeah it's 1080p , ASUSVG248

mind you it's prly the oldest piece of hardware I have except for the GPU now

[hardy marten]

ah dw dw I am not judging

which GPU?

[violet spade]

2060

[fresh fog]

i love 1080p

it's the best resolution, no contest

[violet spade]

I meant more like...in relation to a 4080 😅

[hardy marten]

it's not THAT old

[violet spade]

yeah, I don't really need a 4k tbh, I just need 2 monitors (but that also means a new desk soo... I gotta wait)

[hardy marten]

cries in never experienced more than 1080p

[violet spade]

oldest in relation to the rest of the hardware (I really need to speak better lol)

[hardy marten]

lmao alright gotcha

[fresh fog]

i only have because my work monitors are 4k :P
it's nice, but it's not worth the price hike imo, unless you're doing something that needs such accuracy like 4k picture or video

[violet spade]

mainly I just need more than one monitor so that realtime debugging is not excruciating

meanwhile my spouse is complaining that the 3 monitors she has for work (I gave her my old one) is not enough and she needs another

[vernal sigil]

GPU Recommendations for egpu

I’m looking for recommendations for a graphics card that I could put into an egpu. My current setup is MacBook Pro 2018 13in with 8559u i7 and 16g ram. Also have a 2021 imac wit an m1. That I’d use this with.

Was thinking of getting Razer core chroma for the 750 w power supply. Does anyone have experience on which card would work best for this without being limited by current thunderbolt speed limits on bandwidth ?

I saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peRlR2SLN1I and he saw a huge benefit using the Vega 64 which runs at round $140.

The 4090 is overkill won’t fit nicely and in some cases it gets beat by the 4070 do to bandwidth restrictions. I don’t know what I should get. 3060 12gb start cheap with the tested vega64, go up to 4070 ideally I wouldn’t want to play more that $1000 USD for everything so looking for $500 max gpu price range that will work well featurewise in unreal and blender.

I will be doing level design, playing with lighting. Sculpting models, generating hard surface 3D models. Also play testing a bit. I don’t play demanding games here so wouldnt need it for that but would want to do parallel programming so CUDA is nice by also interested in the alternative.

[hardy marten]

I need one so I can look at other windows instead of having to shuffle cards or make 4 tiny-ass windows

but

that will require me to buy a lot of things

so no interesante

[fresh fog]

the vega 64 is an old card, underperforms in gaming, and is all in all a bit of a flop of a card

[vernal sigil]

And even that showed improvements so wondering how high I can push this egpu. I don’t need crazy framerates or refresh rates just usable and smooth behavior at 1080p.

[fresh fog]

you might want to consider something like a 3060, if you can get one for a decent price.
but honestly, I wouldn't use an egpu at all. I'd save for a proper rig

[vernal sigil]

I know Laura was recommending the EVGA 3060 but that’s like 400 while there is one for 279 from MSI does that stuff really matter ? And will there be a problem running with my 8559u ?

I kind of want to push my tech as much as I can. I don’t like windows and Mac builds are overpriced so figured egpu would fix the graphics issue.

[kindred grove]

I use something like this as my 2nd monitor, could be something to consider. Fits alot of windows and can do PBP and PIP if u have other inputs u want to see at the same time. LTT has a video on it somewhere
https://a.co/d/6JcoyYC

[violet spade]

yeah, but for me the issue is I'd need to buy a new desk (this one only fits 1 monitor), so it becomes a bit of a greater expense - not so much lack of options

[kindred grove]

Yeah mine sits on a stack of books behind my normal size Benq monitor lol. Not alot of extra space

Anybody know good places/deals to buy Nvidia 4xxx series or Threadripper CPU?

[thorny oak]

the brand can matter quite a bit but it depends, sometimes MSI is okay but they've also released some really bad designs, you kind of have to research each SKU. EVGA released good designs for the most part.

as for the mac side of things, if you aren't planning on using windows, keep in mind that apple does not support nvidia gpus as of 10.14 iirc

you can work around it to some degree but there's no guarantee that things are going to work or that problems you encounter will be fixed.

[vernal sigil]

Oh really :// well that changes things. But thanks that coulda gone really badly

So now that I’m going amd route. What’s a good card in the 250-500 price range that would interact well with the rest of what I have

[thorny oak]

'Smart' but more expensive choice, 6700-6900xt. A 7800xt or higher wouldn't be bad either but I don't know what the mac support status is for 7xxx series. Probably fine but I don't know for sure.
I'd take any of those GPUs over a 3060 even if OS support wasn't a factor.

[vernal sigil]

Thanks I’ll look more into those. I saw the Apple website and found more info thanks to what you’ve shared.

Do you have Any thoughts on the egpu box like the Razer core vs Sonnet eGFX Breakaway Box 650W?

[fresh fog]

For the price of that you only need to save a little more and you can basically build a system

It's just not worth it

Hell if you were to sell the MacBook, save a little more, and maybe cut the gpu down a bit you can build a solid pc

[thorny oak]

I don't have any experience with them, I would be disinclined to buy a pre-built eGPU enclosure, they tend to be expensive for what they offer and I'm more of a DIY person.

Acuppa is really right about this.

[fresh fog]

Bonus points if you're American and live near a microcenter, as they do some cheap bundle deals

[thorny oak]

UE isn't always the easiest thing on windows and on mac, it's even less well documented and doesn't really have the same level of support from epic at this time.

[vernal sigil]

But I don’t like windows. That’s my only problem, with this I won’t have to deal with the windows os change I know I’m a bit stubborn and might pay for that

I do I live in silicon valley I have no issue.

We want our game on windows and Mac and if I don’t have it to test I’m afraid it won’t work

[thorny oak]

unfortunately, using UE often involves dealing with issues that are only documented and resolved by the community

[vernal sigil]

You can make your own?

[fresh fog]

Windows really should be your primary target for gaming, as it's where most of the userbase is.

With a Windows machine you can run VMs for testing in Linux and mac

[thorny oak]

technically yes, they are relatively simple. I wouldn't suggest it though unless you're comfortable with that sort of stuff

[fresh fog]

You might need a cheap Mac, or offload it to build with xcode, but not sure on that, it can probs be done with a hackintosh

A Windows machine really is your best bet for unreal development

the best bit is, is that windows is customisable, if it is the ui you dislike, there are themes you can get to style it like mac

[vernal sigil]

Luckily there’s a Mac section here for the issues that might arise . But y’all making me consider the desktop route 🤨. I thought I’d finally have something to work with by end of the day haha

[fresh fog]

you can absolutely go the egpu route if you want, it's just not the most cost effective, nor the most comfortable option

[thorny oak]

true but note posts like this are considered pretty standard #macos message

[vernal sigil]

Honestly it’s that every time I get a new laptop I try them all out and besides a few select hp model none feel as good as a MacBook does or the track pad.

On top of that the os used to crash so much for me and with windows 10 it just became a weird pad emulator thing that just was not my thing. And then viruses in top of it all just wasn’t worth the hassle. I would build one once I have more money and go top of the line but figured if I’m just augmenting my workflow egpu would be easiest route.

[vernal sigil]

Ah sorry thought hardware was for everything. I was more curious if the gpu but wanted to give all details. I am grateful you clarified the restrictions though

[fresh fog]

that was a message link not a redirect, click it :P

[thorny oak]

oh no I didn't mean it like that, I meant as an example of the support status for UE with apple atm

[vernal sigil]

Thanks. Mistook it as the channel. C+ is working for me and I just download the assets that aren’t supported and rework them and alls good. I’m in that same boat of trying to support both os’s but good to know that some tools just don’t work. Sad but good.

[thorny oak]

I understand why you wouldn't like the build quality of the average windows laptop and windows could be much better. IMO it's not that bad but a lot of the windows weirdness is second nature for me at this point.... objectively, it will be frustrating and stability isn't necessarily guaranteed out of the box with windows itself or UE. Anecdotally, I don't have any stability problems but...one person's anecdotal experience doesn't really mean anything, it's far from seamless for a good number of people.

[vernal sigil]

Yea I guess it’s more the getting used to it again. I work in Linux and mac so it would be a change. But I realize if I want the best I gotta go that route.

Also thanks for all the help with this I really appreciate it

[vernal sigil]

Is it customizable to the point it functions essentially the same? Not just the visual aspect and window outlines

[thorny oak]

I lag behind on updates and have avoided windows 11 so far because the risk of unexpected issues simply isn't worth it. MS will push broken updates so I let other people do the beta testing 😅

[vernal sigil]

Haha smart

[thorny oak]

to some degree but overall I'd say it's mostly the visual aspect.

[vernal sigil]

I’ll have to look into it. Thanks

Question about the amd RX 6000 6000 XT series. Which is the best value under ~$550 price range do they all perform reasonably well like using a 6800 vs 6800xt

So they 7800 is what I’d go with but it’s not supported for system I have sadly I’d have to stick to 6xxx

[thorny oak]

the difference between 6800 non-xt and xt isn't particularly significant, generally the added XT signifies a fairly modest difference with AMD gpus.

Sapphire is the brand to go for in this case, I noticed that apple tends to recommend them specifically. Others would probably be fine but Sapphire is always a solid choice for AMD.

[vernal sigil]

Mac with egpu so 7 series isn’t supported

[vernal sigil]

Yup saw that

[thorny oak]

btw, I don't think apple silicon supports eGPU at this time, so it would only be useable with your intel mac

[vernal sigil]

Sorry I meant the lack of Apple silicon support. What is sapphire?

[thorny oak]

my bad I was typing up a message about it being an egpu and then changed it since Shocked already answered 🙃

[vernal sigil]

Perfect it’s on sale the

Would this be one ?

[thorny oak]

if that's a trusted retailer for you, looks like a solid deal

not far off from used prices

[violet spade]

16GB eh? Not bad

What’s the Nvidia equivalent, like $2000? 😅

[thorny oak]

have a 6800xt in a machine here, very solid GPU

[vernal sigil]

Should I go for 6800 or 6800xt ? Is it big improvement

[thorny oak]

nah not a significant difference really

~8-15% difference, that sort of difference is largely immaterial with UE

[violet spade]

15% ? Idk man

I’m working with Niagara fluids on my poor 2060

I could use that 15% 😅

[thorny oak]

for 16gb, 4060ti would be the closest in price on the nvidia side. A bit more expensive (looks like around $450-$500), less raster performance but you get the nvidia-specific features

[violet spade]

Mind you my problem is the 6GB of VRAM

[violet spade]

Yeah, love me some DLSS and I bet I’ll love frame-gen too 😅

[thorny oak]

yeah, 6gb is probably more of an issue than the compute performance in your case

[violet spade]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-gif-24629454

[vernal sigil]

Earlier you had mentioned pcpartpicker. And when I looked there it takes me to Newegg. Is that ok then haha ? it’s that or Walmart. Not sure which is less untrustworthy

[violet spade]

Well results may vary. For me, it was a local store that was cheaper than all of them

[thorny oak]

I can see how it has value to some people but I don't really care about in-game performance, I just need it to work correctly with my pipeline, have decent vram and be reliably stable.

[vernal sigil]

Ok I’ll go out later and check first then

[violet spade]

Yeah, def would need the extra vram for gamedev

[violet spade]

I meant that store was listed on pcpartpicker

[thorny oak]

I used to use newegg all the time, I think they are still probably 'okay' but it seems like the customer support has really gone downhill

[vernal sigil]

When I first started looking I went looking for GPUs with 20+ vram so usd to Quadro GPUs didn’t realize how bad these gaming ones are 😂

[vernal sigil]

All I get is Newegg and Amazon sadly

And amazon is 599

[violet spade]

I mean if Newegg charges you shipping and it’s the same product you can get at Walmart…

Pretty sure you get warranty through the mfr

[vernal sigil]

They both free shipping. I think they might sell same product honestly. Walmart is acting like an Amazon now a days. I have no idea about the warranty I take risks 😅

[violet spade]

Yeah, long as you’re not relying on the vendors for actual customer service either of the two should be fine

And if you can pick it up at Walmart same day….

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191

[thorny oak]

2 years from sapphire

[vernal sigil]

Nice

Yea I’ll check if it’s in store. Thanks !

[thorny oak]

(maybe 3 years for all retailers aside from amazon but I don't know if they changed their policy since then)

[vernal sigil]

Not in store.

2 years should be fine.

[thorny oak]

yeah, usually any issues will be noticeable early on. The only real long-term risk to reliability with these GPUs comes from GPU sag, which can cause the PCB to bend and the BGA solder joints under the vram chips to break. This is a potential problem for any heavy GPU that is mounted horizontally without support. Since you'll be using an eGPU enclosure, it will be vertically mounted and you won't need to worry about sagging.

[vernal sigil]

Oh awesome ! Thanks that’s good news

[violet spade]

guessing there's GPU supports you can buy eh?

[thorny oak]

yeah a whole range of little kickstands 😆 , I think some companies are including them with their heavier cards now too

🫠

(basically anything non-conductive works fine. scrap wood pieces, lego...)

[rotund moth]

How is Black Friday treating everyone today?

I have seen some very nice deals.

Razer laptops are up to 42% off. Pretty steep discounts.

[opaque pond]

i got nothing

[violet spade]

Hmm a 4060ti 16GB is only about $600 CAD

Has been that way for a couple of months tho

[thorny oak]

I keep forgetting that the 3060 has 12GB

~$250 used, that's a solid deal

[violet spade]

Idk I’ve never bought used, I like that new card scent 😀

[thorny oak]

I've bought a number of used PC parts without any issues, I'm extremely selective about choosing a seller though

[thorny oak]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3060-rtx-3060-ventus-2x-8g-oc/p/N82E16814137769?Item=N82E16814137769&Tpk=N82E16814137769

wow what is that link...nm this is 8gb 🫠

[violet spade]

I prefer having a bit of mfr warranty

Plus idk what these people did with their cards

Maybe I just like the shiny tho idk

[thorny oak]

it's a little riskier than it used to be, there's a decent chance that miners have cooked the gddr6x

wait why is that 8gb... nvidia shenanigans!!!

[wind egret]

Nvidia made an 8gb 3060 because they can't allow you to have nice things.

[thorny oak]

i vaguely remember hearing about that now...oof

looks like new 12gb can be had for around $300 USD

[violet spade]

Might as well go for a 4060ti with 16GB then

Almost same price in USD I imagine

[thorny oak]

16gb 4060ti is ~$450 looks like

it's kind of a strange card, barely faster than the 3060ti, even slightly slower in some cases iirc

[violet spade]

Weird

[thorny oak]

but if the price makes sense and you have a use case for features locked to the 4k series, worth considering I suppose

[violet spade]

What benchmarks are you using

Yeah def would want latest features for the gaming side and as much VRAM as possible for UE

Not that I can afford it now, maybe next year

[thorny oak]

general raster stuff, pretty much every review highlighted how the 4060ti wasn't offering much over the 3060ti

personally I'd go for something like a used 3070/ti over 4060ti, keep in mind frame generation only works well with a decent base framerate to begin with.

main reason I say that is because the 3070ti has ~ twice the memory bandwidth

but...the 3070/ti is 8GB...what?

[wind egret]

3080 was 10GB

[thorny oak]

and then later 12gb, right?

[wind egret]

3080 Ti

vram stagnated for a couple generations

You could still be running an rx580 with 8gb

[thorny oak]

the rx580 was offering a reasonable amount of vram for the time though

prob. the main reason a polaris refresh can still do okay

just checked, there was a 3080 12gb non ti variant at some point too 🫠

[opaque pond]

Hardware is just too expensive

[plush turret]

isnt there also a 12gb 3060

[vernal sigil]

yea and only $270 MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 3060 Video Card RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12G OC
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3060-rtx-3060-ventus-2x-12g-oc/p/N82E16814137632?Item=N82E16814137632

[median marsh]

tells me $250

[thorny oak]

$250 for me (after rebate)

[vernal sigil]

whats your 6800 xt brand?

I went to actually purchase and while checking out saw this one and it has slightly better performance and wondering if its work leaving the sapphire plus 6800 one for the ASRock 6800xt for an extra $50. Theres like a 20% increase in flops which seems like a good amount.

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6800-11305-02-20g/p/N82E16814202394?Item=N82E16814202394

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930049?Item=N82E16814930049

[thorny oak]

It will probably be okay since apple is just 'recommending' sapphire.

currently running powercolor for AMD but usually go with sapphire. It's kind of a toss up lately between sapphire and powercolor.

the asrock looks okay though, they make decent motherboards too @vernal sigil

[thorny oak]

It's weird, I was searching for the 12gb on google and newegg kept sending me to the 8gb... trying to hide it from me I think.

It's calling to you Neo... #hardware message @violet spade

[violet spade]

Can’t afford it rn, just getting back on my feet with a new job, hopefully I’ll be in a better position next year

[thorny oak]

I feel you on that. Nvidia doesn't want you to remember this deal ever existed though 🙃

[twilit flare]

What's better value between 4080 and 7900xtx for Unreal and occasional ai tinkering? I heard that 7900xtx got some support through ROCm for ai, but it's hard to find any info about performance.

[plush turret]

is an i-9 12900k enough of an improvement on the i-7 12700k to be worth not getting a 4tb backup drive to go with the computer? (mainly for storage and development backups)

at least for gaming and light development use cases?

backup drive is disk, more for storage than active use

[violet spade]

a question only you can answer, depending on your priorities. given what you've said about your situation, it sounds like you do in fact need that 4tB

[plush turret]

i already have a 1tb SN750 ssd

many of the games i play like avorion and especially space engineers are hugely CPU dependant

and somewhere i also have another 500gb ssd if i can find it

[plush turret]

~3% single thread, and ~16% overall increase is nice

the 700 has a faster clock speed

[violet spade]

turbo matters too

[plush turret]

yeah if i want to go full power

[thorny oak]

the disk space will be more useful

~1.5 tb isn't going to last very long

[plush turret]

i mean i can get more later, i just have a family who said "up to $1,000 ill finish your computer"

as a christmas gift

[thorny oak]

ok then no need for debate, is there a reason you're looking at the 12k instead of 13k series though?

[plush turret]

i already have the MB and its 12th gen form factor

ive been buying this pc bit by bit

the choice is really is the 900k worth not getting the free (to me) drive when my standard use case is primarily gaming

[thorny oak]

all 600 series MB support 13k afaik but usually requires a bios update

[thorny oak]

objectively, no. the 4 additional e cores aren't really going to do anything for 99% of games and since you're getting a k series, you can match the clocks of a 900 if you really want to.

[plush turret]

yeah boost the 900 is better but default the 700 is faster

[thorny oak]

those are largely immaterial differences imo and something you can configure one way or another with a k series

[plush turret]

and isnt boost hugely energy dependent

[thorny oak]

the boost clocks are well outside of the reasonable efficiency curve, so you'll burn a good bit of power just to get 200 mhz of boost to match the 900k boost

[plush turret]

this is the MB i have and when i researched the 13th gen bios flash everyone seemed to have huge problems with it https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09KKYXXQB/

[thorny oak]

(and realistically, 200 mhz doesn't make much of a difference)

[plush turret]

yeah i figured

and 16% performance increase for a 38% price increase isnt that good

given this is literally what im upgrading to from

[thorny oak]

16% will only be for multi-threaded workloads that are able to utilize all 24 threads

[plush turret]

yeah single thread is 3.3% which is effectively negligable

[thorny oak]

and you can close that 3.3% gap if you want with a quick adjustment to settings

[plush turret]

yeah

[thorny oak]

looked around a bit at some of the threads, it seems to me most of the problems with the bios flash process are 1.) misunderstanding the directions that MSI provided and 2.) using the wrong bios versions since there are ddr4 and 5 versions of this motherboard apparently

[plush turret]

still seems my use case wont need the 900, as like you said if i dump enough power into it i can get the exact same performance

[wind egret]

What kind of cooler do you put on a 241W TDP? Egads.

[plush turret]

i have a noctua u12s redux

and 6 fans on the case

my laptop already tries to emulate a cheap space heater anyways

im used to my office being noticably warmer than every other room in my house

[thorny oak]

the desktop will heat your room way, way more

[plush turret]

oh im aware

ive already installed specialized negative pressure return ducting to my AC unit and put a dedicated window unit with its own ducting to the space im placing the desktop

[thorny oak]

you can greatly increase the efficiency of the 12/13k series with some adjustments though and lost very little performance

[plush turret]

never tell an ex HVAC guy he cant cool a room with enough parts

[thorny oak]

that noctua is pretty good but 241 watts would still be a lot

[plush turret]

yeah

[wind egret]

If they're like my fans and stuffed up by filters, they're not enough.

[plush turret]

but i had the extra fans sitting in my junk tech drawer

[thorny oak]

probably yeah, would you suggest 13k with bios update to their z690 over 12k?

this is true but it is a relevant question for their situation

[plush turret]

first i have to see if the 13th gen cpu's are nominally the same price

i have up to $300 to spend on them and im trying to get everything from micro center (which actually beats amazon prices)

[thorny oak]

iirc the common recommendation was to go for 13k if you can, but I don't know if that changed and don't remember how much it actually mattered or how much prices have moved recently

[plush turret]

i have a micro center 10 miles away from me in dallas so if i can go pick the stuff up its vastly easier because amazon like cant decide if they can deliver to my house, and when they do they put it in weird places

i once found a delivery of computer parts just sitting under a tree in my front yard in the DEW where literally everyone could see them and quickly take them (and the boxes said exactly what was in them)

the 13th gen stuff is all over $340

plus tax

so really down to 12th gen stuff with the th i-9 12900k, and i-7 12700k being the 2 contenders

replaced the seagate drive with a WD blue one of same storage size

[thorny oak]

is the 5400 RPM HDD saving you much over a 7200?

[plush turret]

need to keep that grand total below 1,000

[green phoenix]

Hello!

[plush turret]

hi

[green phoenix]

Hello, I would like to know if I could ask a question about the specifications of my laptop and its compatibility to work in blender, please!
These are the specs of my laptop, I bought it recently saving a lot for it:

• Brand: Lenovo
• Model: IP3 15ITL6
• Screen: 15.6" Full HD IPS
• Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-1165G7 2.8 -4.7GHz
• RAM Memory: 16GB DDR4 3200 MHz
• Storage: 512GB SSD
• Nvidia GeForce MX450 2GB
  -Cores: 4
  -Logic processors: 8
  ...I have enough to create things in Unreal Engine 5? Because I think the different is to be able to download it and another to use it, because when I open it I get the message "Video Memory has been exhausted. Expect extremely poor perfomance" and I would not know what to do...how do I improve in any case the performance of my development and flow? Or I can't really develop on my laptop? Thanks, anything is appreciated :). Have a nice day.

[thorny oak]

If you can get it to open then you can do some basic work with BPs and materials. 2GB of vram is going to be severely limiting no matter what though.

[green phoenix]

Can I somehow improve my workflow for the program? I plan to make my video game and this is the best I could get with my UU savings.

[thorny oak]

maybe misunderstanding, you switched the seagate for this WD or something else?

seagate isn't great but neither is WD when this sort of stuff is going on

[plush turret]

yeah went for the WD blue

[thorny oak]

maybe hawk switched it with something else?

[plush turret]

tbh anything in the $80 range from microcenter dallas is what im wanting

[thorny oak]

ah damn, well then I guess WD is the best of the two

[plush turret]

atm im rebuilding my desk preparing for the new desktop on monday

so cant really look it up

[thorny oak]

guess I should have seen the clear 'SMR' in the seagate listing 🙃, the bad reviews for the WD distracted me but aren't relevant in this case

[green phoenix]

I say this because I already bought a Unreal Engine 5 course at Udemy....Yes, I was a little early, but I would not want to have to refund it or leave it useless because the program does not run on the latop :/

[plush turret]

tbh running unreal is more "how comfortable are you with 12 fps" as someone who has always been far behind the latest tech curve im honestly fine with lag

plays games with average 400 ping

[thorny oak]

those are the only two choices atm for 4tb at $80 or less, might as well stick with the WD

[green phoenix]

Okey!

[plush turret]

yeah kinda like those old minecraft servers that always had their stuff on a 50% sale because the mentality of "oh its cheaper now and it may not be later"

[plush turret]

ive had good luck with my other WD disk drives. but unless you can see something else worth that much extra storage, then id keep on getting it

i can always buy the 4TB later, as im probably getting more cash for christmas

[thorny oak]

for microcenter, those are your only options. If you're willing to go with a different retailer for the HDD, you can get a 4tb 7200RPM CMR for ~$75

[plush turret]

the case is a corsair 4000D

[thorny oak]

okay I would suggest you do that, a 5400 RPM SMR is going to be unpleasant to deal with

[plush turret]

idk if the 2 default fans is enough flow for a 12700k and 3060 12gb

smooth running/efficiency > low noise IMO

since i usually have a tv or music running in the background

like rn i have a cassette player playing christmas music

[thorny oak]

2 is probably fine but you can always add more later if necessary

[plush turret]

yeah

and im piping an AC unit around it to give it even more airflow

installing a dedicated return duct to the main AC unit so this office should be cooler on the average

because im HVAC trained and i love ducting

i already have them

[green phoenix]

Hey...I think I found a solution to my problems that was in the Unreal tutorial that I was watching...I lowered the Engine scalability settings to Medium and now it runs better what I preview, as you explain this only affects the preview of the game you make but not the final product itself being able to switch between both formats, I already work with this before with Premiere Pro so I'm used to it.

[plush turret]

god damn it

guess i have to wait

that was a wasted 2 hour download

[thorny oak]

idk what that this but I'd guess you're looking at a driver issue rather than hardware limitation

you can also use bluestacks to run android applications on windows

[plush turret]

Yeah but its flooded with ads, and its nice google is supporting this natively.

Ive used bluestacks and nox, neither were very user friendly and while nox supports rooting, it likes to place ads on you desktop that randomly pop up on top of everything

This also isn't the first time a program had issues with the gpu in my laptop

Obs gets fussy and laggy, and older 32bit games simply refuse to allow screenshots because they refuse to use the gpu on some level

All screenshots are black

Big part of why im team blue and green

Never had issues with intel integrated, or nvidia laptop gpus

[thorny oak]

I've used laptops with similar APUs and never had issues and intel on-die graphics is atrociously bad from a hardware and driver standpoint.

I wouldn't expect OBS to work well either when you have nearly 100% usage from background processes

[plush turret]

This is before

With an mx250 installed while obs was recording the desktop would hit like 18fps

As for the disk drive aside from backups and playing movies from it i dont see what would really detract from use case if i intentionally move large files im going to use regularly onto one of the 3 ssd's

Maybe its slow but honestly slow has never really caused issues to me. I spent almost a decade gaming on a 2gb ram windows vista

Or a 256mb ram laptop i got in 2014 that was old enough it still had an internal floppy drive

Tbh im used to slow, im used to 400+ ping, and below 30fps.

All i care about is "will i at least get that

Until like 2020 the best storage medium i had were DVDs and a single clunky 2tb seagate external that required its own power supply

Not to rant or brag but im 100% "make it work first, then we can make it work well

[plush turret]

Im getting the desktop tomorrow, anything special i need to keep in mind when assembling it? Like which ram stick first, which drive into which sata plug if it matters... what not to do?

Other than obvious stuff like beating it with a hammer or forcing anything really hard

[warm forum]

Hey guys!
I'm trying to build my first pc for Ue5 and some basic blender.
I have two builds ready one with i5 14600k with a good 250$ motherboard
Or I go with i7 14700k with only 145$ motherboard but meh build quality

I need a system that I can use in long term without any problems

Links to both motherboards are down 👇

1. MSI PRO Z790-P WiFi Motherboard - 24,500₹ (300$)
   -> https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z790-P-WIFI1)

2. MSI B760M Bomber WIFI - 12,000₹ (140$)
   -> https://in.msi.com/Motherboard/B760M-BOMBER-WIFI

3. MSI B760 Gaming Plus WiFi Motherboard - 21000₹ (250$)
   -> https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

What should I go with?

[plush turret]

Cpu is more important than mb. As it determines ram and such. And you need a graphics card period

[plush turret]

Go for the better cpu

[sharp pumice]

I want to buy 2 new monitors, because in my previous setup 1 monitor broke(1920x1080) and the other is quite archaic (1680x1050).
In my day job I have 2 (2560x1440) Dell U2722D monitors and I must admit they feel like an upgrade. I'm not quite sure if I want anything with higher resolution (than 1920x1080) because it takes a better GPU to run things + Monitors are more pricey. Just wanted to ask for opinions / what are you guys using? I'm completely clueless when it comes to displays because I neglected buying / reading about those since forver.e

[plush turret]

theres a server dedicated to monitors if you want an invite

i will say from what ive been told by people here and in there, that even a 1440p needs at least a 12-16gb vram gpu to really look good

if your looking for bang for buck and dont mind Samsung stuff: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09Q7P8VHN/

[sharp pumice]

Currently I'm using 1070TI but I'm planning to upgrade to 7900 xtx soon. I will probably wait with the upgrade untill NVidia supers get released and compare

[plush turret]

i have the 32 inch version of this and i love it

[warm forum]

My GPU is fixed rtx 4070 12gb

[plush turret]

CPU not GPU, though you still need a good gpu like that

[plush turret]

Ok so i have the new desktop running, which cpu threads are going to be the Ecpu in setting affinity

Theres 20 possible ones

12700k

Also i think the psu blew

Was installing a driver and a really fucking loud bang followed by electrical fire smell

Still win 10 atm

But confirmed psu broke

Theres a loose capacitor cap

Corsair Rm1000x

[plush turret]

At least it happened early

Its still in both Warranty and return policy

[plush turret]

Yeah pretty sure the computer isnt damaged, it popped after the screen went black which means the psu shut off before the catastrophic failure. Probably why it only popped a little capacitor

[median marsh]

are you okay? (i'm concerned)

[plush turret]

And corsair has a decent rep of not breaking your stuff

[median marsh]

guess bad luck

[plush turret]

And tech defects at 2 points, initial load and EoL

It was on barely an hour before it popped

[median marsh]

so it reached EoL within an hour

[plush turret]

Defective EoL

[median marsh]

now what's considered EoL for a PSU these days...

in theory they should last pretty much forever (well, at least 10 years)

[plush turret]

😂

[median marsh]

but few years ago there was a company selling crap capacitors, which broke a lot of PSUs after ~3 years

[plush turret]

Yeah most people say 10 years and my other ones which were even cheaper outlasted my need for the computer and all of them were shitty cheap brands

Lol

[median marsh]

considering that it's 850W iirc, it barely ran at 25% most of it's lifetime 😄

[plush turret]

Hah

The psu i had was probably only at 30% load, cpu was at 11% usage and 3060 was rendering 720p

I hadn't upped the res yet simply because it was on an hour. And the monitor i have is only 720p anyways

I just wanted to play games

Tbh i wanted it powerful because i plan on upgrading the gpu hugely after a while

[median marsh]

a good psu is probably designed to handle at least 5-10% more load (even tho it might shut off after a while because of high temps)

[plush turret]

Tbh capacitor blowing is almost certainly a mfg defectbthan anything and an hour is about right to have any issues with its design to cause issues

In this case blowing up.

So Wednesday i get a replacement

[plush turret]

Ill have to figure out what that is

Whats a better psu company, still going for 750w+

[plush turret]

Part picker says my power should run about 530w so to ensure i dont go over that i need at least 700w

[plush turret]

Is this any good?

https://www.microcenter.com/product/642027/evga-supernova-850-gt-850-watt-80-plus-gold-atx-fully-modular-power-supply

[plush turret]

https://a.co/d/fNzNXeN

[plush turret]

Both are at micro center, so really which has a better reputation? Evga or msi

If apparently corsair sucks. Even though pc still boots when i plugged a 350w supply into just the mb

Which means the psu did a good job

[plush turret]

So the evga is the preferred option?

[sleek grove]

With power supplies always try to find reviews for the individual model. They are relatively high-margin products, at least around here they were in the few categories of products that actually got "good" black friday deals. EVGA as a business seem to be on the way out, they only offer 3 years of warranty on their power supplies at this point anymore; they don't make GPUs which used to be like 80% of their business, and they just stopped making new motherboards as well

Kind of a shame, with peripherals they were the only company trying to make a modern G600 mouse

[plush turret]

Yeah so main choice is the evga one or simply get a rm1000x replacement and bank on the fact that its most likely just a single item/batch failure

[obtuse yew]

Is there any software or method to set limits on read/write operations on a disk (SSD) in Windows? Would reducing, for example from 100% to 70% during prolonged operations lasting several hours potentially extend the lifespan of the disk, or would it risk damaging it, or does it not have a significant impact?

[median marsh]

how do you manage to have read/write load for several hours in the first place?

[plush turret]

Transferring tb of data

On another note the 3060 didn't show up in task manager is that normal? It was running because it sent data to monitor. Maybe there was no drivers yet?

Or if the drives aren't internal, given usb 2.0 can only do like 30MB/s it would take hours to move TB of data

[obtuse yew]

I wrote this in a general context it could just as well be a few minutes but repeated many times during the day. In essence, I was referring to optimizing the disk's performance for the long term, something akin to reducing the voltage for the processor or using Afterburner for the GPU, but in this case applied to the disk

[plush turret]

Starting to think it may not have been a defect but big power surge

Other tech that was plugged in seems to be partially damaged by something

[plush turret]

efficiency by inefficiency

[violet spade]

Ooh that’s nice to know.

[plush turret]

yeah my external ssd drive heats to about 40C and stays there with little more than radiated cooling

😂

the office convo for this:

"it works better at warm temps"
"well then we should provide some way to warm it up to that"
"why not just let the thing heat itself by intentially increasing the ohms on the thing?"
"hey the electrical engineer finally had a good idea!"

if only i can solve this PSU problem

im probably going to have to plug the desktop into its own dedicated breaker

for a rig rated at 530w 850 should be more than enough to stay in the efficiency curve right?

and evga is best option right?

gvien my price range

tbh if it fails in 3 years ill buy a new one, i just dont want to have it pop an hour in again

and at this point im leary of any rm1000x in the same batch

[plush turret]

What is crossfire and will i use it...

Google has technical info but not anything really useful for me

so doesnt matter if its crossfire compatible?

at least for me

yeah

[violet spade]

no one really uses crossfire/SLI anymore afaik

[fallen oasis]

Do you actually still use SLI (with the cables and stuff) for multi-gpu systems ? Or is it something else now?

[median marsh]

nv-link is still a thing (but more towards AI stuff than gaming)

[plush turret]

im assuming i still need to download drivers for all my new hardware correct?

or will windows do that automaticcally

only thing that came with physical driver media was the MB

what other programs would help me manage the desktop?

i have open hardware monitor but what other things might help me get the most out of my desktop

list has nvidia programs, and general driver checks

yeah the MSI mb has built in wifi

not yet, im installing the drivers so far

came with like 15 drivers

what do i use to manage power usage

sorry if i seem stupid about all this, for the vast majority of my computer time its been laptops with a super cheap barebones desktop as my media computer (plays vlc and thats about it)

this is the first genuinely custom desktop setup and im using tech ive never touched before

[violet spade]

Aside from your gpu the drivers that come with windows 11 are fine

[plush turret]

im still on 10

[violet spade]

Same goes

Gone are the days when you had to source drivers directly from the mfr because windows didn’t do it for you

Nowadays they all talk to each other

GPU stuff is more specialized tho so better to use their software

[plush turret]

and when i plugged everything i, the desktop didnt detect the ethernet or wifi connector, presumably because lack of drivers for both

[violet spade]

Yeah, you need an internet connection for it to work so that can happen

Usually at least one of those will work out of the box but if not use the stuff on the disc for now, it’ll update itself after it connects to the internet

[plush turret]

which is probably why the mb came with a physical driver utility software

even if im forced to play games with other devices to get it on the computer because no one really uses dvd anymore

im assuming the free upgrade window has passed

ill wait till i have the desktop running, then get it to a place with better wifi which might take a week or two

because at my home wifi win11 will take probably 2 weeks to download

its saying 2 hours to download the geforce experience thing

and thats 120mb

Its about 10 minutes per 15mb to download here

I honestly want to strangle the idiot who put a fiber line in over a year ago but decided no one on the street would get to use it until after the apocalypse

AT&T: because we dont care about our customers

😂

You know my pain

They constantly have trucks that say AT&T fiber putting in flags, painting the ground and road as well as constantly working on something for 6 months now

Good desktop + good wifi = good work from home, remote college work

Hi

We need specific core numbers

What i meant,

Also going to assume i dont need svga drivers...

Disk came with them...

I think were a decade or so beyond needing those drivers

I wish you luck soldier

Uhhhh

You have $3,000 for a computer build?

And several huge ssd drives. And higher end 40 series gpu

Yeah but they do the job

Next fortnite is kinda your bottleneck here

And your still going to want a 4080-4090

You can save lots of money if your willing to wait a bit to build

No engine build

^^^

Is there a reason a hdd would spin but not show up on my computer as a drive? Other than simply being a dead drive?

Its plugged in properly

[plush turret]

these are PCIe connectors right?

never seen them refered to as VGA connectors

[wind egret]

They're not. Those are just labels for reference.

I don't think anything that still uses VGA needs an 8 pin pcie power connector.

(Maybe if someone made a retro gpu out of vacuum tubes.)

[fallen oasis]

VGA doesn't necessarily mean "VGA"

And, yes, they are graphics cards plugs.

[kindred grove]

Does it show in Disk Manager?

[plush turret]

Nope, its also brand new

Yeah i didn't think vga meant the blue d-cable

What would be the difference in the sata connectors and the perifrial port

Power usage?

[wind egret]

The manual should say, if there is one. The connectors are identical, which would be bad if they were designed differently to be different.

[plush turret]

I do use at least one of the sata ports

[plush turret]

does the new computer with a 12700k and 64gb ram meet windows 11 min standards? google is fighting with my wifi atm

[serene canyon]

Have you formatted the drive? If it isn't formatted, it won't show up in explorer.

[plush turret]

personally i dont think i can spare a full 64 aditional gb for software

i only have 88 free and that assumes nothing else is added to this drive when i start getting other things setup

bonus, i have 10 pro (being an ex professional laptop has perks) so id be getting 11 pro

[thorny oak]

windows 11 requirements are primarily down to TPM rather than actual hardware capability/specs. It's not significantly different than 10 in terms of what it actually needs to function and your system should be good to go in terms of TPM. Since your CPU has e-cores, you'll definitely want the updated windows 11 scheduler.

[plush turret]

Yeah but i cant upgrade until i get the new system up

[thorny oak]

ok but that's not the question you asked/isn't really relevant. Upgrade when you can if you want to eliminate performance issues due to questionable e-core scheduling.

[plush turret]

Is MSI a good psu company?

The EVGA wasn't in stock apparently

[plush turret]

MSI A1000G

All the online reviews seem to love it

[median marsh]

is google not available in your country?

[plush turret]

It is... but my network is dial up speeds and im still new to all this

[plush turret]

Takes 2 full minutes for a search to go through

Let alone loading a page. It takes me over an hour to book plane tickets simply because page time out

And im lucky to have below 300 ping on a game server

My phone plan which costs $20 usd a month has a standard data speed of 15kb/s u/d

[serene dome]

Have you considered performing your research at a public library? Even libraries found within public universities and colleges are/can be open to the general public with specified hours or when occupancy is low... just have to keep in mind that students and faculty will always have priority.

[plush turret]

libraries are no go for various reasons, and all the local ones have blocked game/super tech stuff

i once tried to do homework at one but i got a file download blocked and my card banned from use for the day because the filename was "strengthsexplorer" and the over sensitive detection system flagged it

also locally you need a card to get access to the computers and every place around here charges $$$ i dont have if im not from the town/county the library is in, and local colleges require you to be a student to access pretty much anything in their library and computer labs

[vernal sigil]

Just base it off reviews it seems those manufactures Are hit or miss so sometimes great sometime ok sometimes bad, so if I. General that model is liked and well reviewed then it should be good

[plush turret]

Which is better to use with a 3060? DX12 or Vulkan

[violet spade]

Upgrading from a 4080 to a 4090 seems… irresponsible

[plush turret]

Yeah even i have too say that

[serene canyon]

If you’re running Windows, you’ll want to use DX12 for Unreal

[vernal sigil]

@thorny oak so im trying out the egpu and so far seeing benefits in blender and in gameplay. Usually was limited to min graphics at 50fps and now i can do that at 95fps and max graphics at 3k at 60fps.

Blender animation was 7-13fps and now stays at the default 25-30 regardless. Broke my unreal but ill test that next

[clear osprey]

Hey guys, what GPU could i get for £400 that would be a good all round for, light gaming, Blender, Substance, UE5 etc?

Is nvidia preferred over AMD for 3d modelling, i ARC an option?

[fresh fog]

Intel Arc is an option but only if you really hate yourself.

At that price point I'd probably look into something like a 6700XT

[clear osprey]

Yeah ive seen that a lot, only thing is i think Blender is still heavily better performing on CUDA

[fresh fog]

To be real, you aren't going to be doing stuff that likely matters all that much

At that price point AMD is gonna give you some good bang for your buck

I use blender on an Rx 580 and it's perfectly adequate

[clear osprey]

3060 looks decent

and you get the 12gb vram

I see

fwiw this current PC i have will be put into a render farm im compiling for blender

so it might be an option to go AMD

do you know AMD behaves with Substance painter?

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/xfx-speedster-swft-319-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-graphics-card.html

i could stretch the extra for this

its 100 more 😦

its a decent amount faster

Core Clock
Boost Clock* : up to 2565 MHz (Reference card: 2430 MHz)

Game Clock* : up to 2254 MHz (Reference card: 2124 MHz)
Stream Processor
3840

vs

Core Clock
1815 MHz
Boost Clock
2105 MHz
Stream Processors
3840 Stream Processors

oh ok

[clear osprey]

i decided on the 7800 XT

[median marsh]

wouldn't say that

if you target only windows, then yea

if your main targets use vulkan, then you should use vulkan

[mighty cosmos]

I used it with amd cpu/gpu before just fine but that was like in 2017 so no clue if that is still the case but I would imagine it is

Also not an artist

[frank glade]

They had a driver issue making painter unusuable for a few months back in 2021 I think..will it happen again? Dunno

[serene canyon]

That’s fair. Always good to test as close as you can to your target hardware / software, of course.

[plush turret]

i was meaning me as a user if theres an option between DX12 and Vulkan which is better with a 3060?

lower gpu temps, better results etc

[thorny oak]

sort of surprised by the significant animation playback uplift since it tends to be CPU limited, that's a nice improvement. Good results overall, glad it worked out!

[limpid wave]

hey guys I have a question concerning a new pc build that i want to make, I want to do real-time vfx, coding and heavy shader work...

I would have around 1500 to 2000€ as budget and living in France. I also game from time to time...

my current build would be:

• Case: M.RED Crystal Sea
• Processor: intel 13700k (if I go team red it would be a Ryzen 7900X, but I don't think it's really wise...)
• Motherboard: MSI pro Z790-S Wifi
• Fan: Be Quiet! Shadow Rock 3 (is this enough?)
• Ram: 32 gigs of DDR 5 ram (Lexar 6400MHz, CL 32) (are there any clear benefits yet between DDR4 and DDR5 in Unreal 5 ? Hard to get a concrete answer on this one...)
• GPU: PNY dual fan RTX 4070 12gb (could I maybe get away with a 4060 TI 16gb vram version? I don't even exactly know if I would need the 4 extra Vram from the 4060 TI)
• Storage: MSI 2tb Gen4 NVME
• PSU: Seasonic Gold 850+ modular (is 850 watts overkill? )

So yeah I have a lot of questionn sorry...

[violet spade]

32GB of RAM won’t be enough, go 64

850W is good enough. I wouldn’t go any lower

More VRAM is not usually a bad thing, but 12GB should be enough depending on what you do

[limpid wave]

because right now I'm on 16 gig of ram and an RTX 2060 with an i5 9XXX and I'm feeling especially on the ram part that I'm STRUGGLING

[violet spade]

Yeah, even 48GB is painful at times

[limpid wave]

is it possible if I ask you more questions please?

[violet spade]

Just ask questions in chat people will answer when they can

[opaque pond]

16gb are fine

I got 16gb shared for both system ram and vram

No

Ryzen 5

4th gen

Eh why?

How?

I got a 6 core and never run more than 3-4 processes

Well it works tho

[wind egret]

the amount of RAM you need is proportional to your cores <> has few cores
So they need less RAM, right?

I got 16gb shared
oh no

[wind egret]

Right now RAM is cheap, even for DDR5 if you dodge the rgb. It's a good time to get 64 on a whim.

[limpid wave]

thanks guys for all the positive input!!! so first at all of the recommendation seems really valid points. I think I'll be going with this.

Case: M.RED Crystal Sea
Processor: intel 13700k (if I go team red it would be a Ryzen 7950X would it be wise to go team Red? for the upgraded cost....), if I go used I can go with a 14700K
Motherboard: MSI pro Z790-S Wifi
Fan: Be Quiet! Shadow Rock 3 (is this enough?)
Ram: 64 gigs of DDR 5 ram (so 4x 16 gig kit ) (Lexar 6400MHz, CL 32) (, same question then before: are there any clear benefits yet between DDR4 and DDR5 in Unreal 5 ? Hard to get a concrete answer on this one...)
GPU: PNY dual fan RTX 4070 12gb or maybe another one... but definitely the 4070, If I go used i can upgrade to a 4070 ti but there are not much offers for a 4070ti so IDK...
Storage: MSI 2tb Gen4 NVME
PSU: Seasonic Gold 850+ modular (is 850 watts overkill? )

Last question because this setup would kill my 2k budget by something like 300€. Should I go with used parts (I saw that the two only things that are REALLY cheaper would be the GPU, CPU and RAM. Anyway, I would go for a used PSU or used storage or case because I don't know if the case will get properly secured for shipping...)! If I go used I could even spare a 3070 ti as the GPU and a 14700k as the CPU without excedding my budget. Would be 1900 something.

[opaque pond]

?

[opaque pond]

32gb of ram are 60€

Ehhh

[limpid wave]

where I live right now in France yes 32gb of DDR5 ram is 120€ and 32gb of DDR4 ram is 95€

[opaque pond]

Ddr4

[limpid wave]

ok I just checked on more then one site its like 80€ for 32gigs of DDR4

so yeah my question about the ram if there is a leap right of DDR4 to DDR5?

[rocky briar]

is 14900K something worth considering or is it not that much better then 13900K?

hmmm, that's sad

thanks

[limpid wave]

thanks! yeah for the small price gap I think that i will go DDR5 and I think I will go team RED, more speciifally the 9 7900X, and ok thanks I will go with a 2x32 kit for the ram

[limpid wave]

ok so If shopping really smartly on amazon i can go to 1850 having everything I need and making small concessions...

• Case: Empire Gaming ATX
• Processor: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X
• Motherboard: ASUS Prime B650-Plus
• Fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212
• Ram: 2x 32 Gig Corsair Vengeance DDR5 5600MHz C40
• GPU: MSI 4070 Ventus 2X 12G OC
• Storage: 2TB WD_Black SN850X M.2 PCIE 4 NVME SSD
• PSU: 850W Gold modular MSI MAG A850GL

Personally i think that here I found a good sweetspot (I just wanted to look roughly the price and if around 2k for a more then decent build would be possible and yes it is!)
I think that anyway I will buy this PC from a year around (and maybe I could get some better deals, new components for same price....)

Thanks everyone and if anyone has still any recommendations, I'm more then happy to listen to it!

Oh just to say right now I'm rocking a lap top with a i5 90XX, rtx 2060 and 3200 ddr4 ram... how much would the difference actually be ?

[limpid wave]

I naively checked on the amazon and it says that it does but reddit is telling me otherwise.... well thanks for the heads up! I'll go lock for something else or maibe an AIO

thanks!

yeah I would want to go with an Air cooler as long as I can

[limpid wave]

so I've looked everything up close again and researched every part and sadly my motherboard could have potentially killed my CPU and board https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1BiCoQdUTg

That and many more reasons and videos that he posts also is why I decided to go AM4 and ddr 4

[fresh fog]

why would you go am4.
There isn't much point

tbh

Im also not seeing anything about that board

the video you linked mentioned a different board that only messed up with a specific RAM combo, on a very limited sample size of 2 people

hardly empirical evidence

[fresh fog]

my favourite part is the gaming benchmarks clearly showing am5 is superior :P, in that video, but the clickbait thumbnail

[limpid wave]

well that's called thinking and well its not just some people and I generally was on the fence of using DDR5 ram or not. And yes after a time changing things all of the time is well part of a pc building experience in my opinion, and that's why I ask guidance on multiple places in the first place. To hear not just some input of 1 or 2 or 3 people, also consulting videos, benchmarks etc

[limpid wave]

you named it exactly gaming! and even in gaming from what I gathered, the results are varying a lot, the hardware is inconsistent because its new and that's perfectly fine and normal

I really don't know at this point in time to be honest because between the people that say, yeah DDR5 is okay, and oh no DDR5 will make your PC go boom, between DDR5 gives no real advantage vs the price it costs, it's hard to choose. Oh and the people that say DDR5 gives a real advantage for their value, but only later.

[hollow mist]

with AM4 you're possibly locked out of any future godlike cpu upgrades

[fresh fog]

probably people that are sad they're stuck with ddr4

[limpid wave]

sorry the motherboard not the ram but in any case it should not happen and I don't want to play the silicon lottery if I get a good piece of hardware or not...
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/136w06x/gamers_nexus_interview_regarding_exploding_am5/

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/136fjjx/comment/jiqeeko/

Between the fact that for many people there is not much benefits in DDR4 vs DDR5 https://reviewed.usatoday.com/laptops/features/ddr4-vs-ddr5

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/14rgafl/ddr5_vs_ddr4/

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/x753m8/is_ddr5_significantly_better_than_ddr4_ram/

[fresh fog]

micron accidentally got mixed up with their RAM sticks, and military contracts for explosive ordinance

[limpid wave]

and that's tiny bit of infos that i gave here back

[fresh fog]

DDR5 is not as mature as DDR4 and you might encounter some weird issues every once in a while, but that's fine if you're willing to do some troubleshooting. You may also be totally fine and never have any problems with it, but early adoption of new technologies is always kind of a dice roll.

However, DDR5 is the new standard and will stick around for a while. RAM is one of the things you can carry over for many builds if you get a great kit, so it might be a good investment for you.

Also, AM5 simply doesn't give the option of getting DDR4, so if you want Ryzen 7000 you're forced into DDR5

would say go for it if your system is mid-tier or above. Motherboards are generally only $10-30 more for the D5 vs D4 version and the RAM is maybe $40 more ($52 D4 vs $95 D5 32 GB kits).

Two of your links directly contradict what you said before linking them

never mind the fact that AM5 is much better and you don't have a choice to use ddr4, and one of those articles is about upgrading the ram, not buying a new system

[limpid wave]

did I add anything to the links saying that they backup my claims and well these are multicomment so you'll get a lot of different opinions? They neither prove or disprove from what I was talking above they are just stuff I found, that's it. But I'm talking to 2 persons that are sold to a specific opinion anyway so I'll just stop, because it's circular.

Have a nice day!

[fresh fog]

Well you said that "For many there is not much benefits", but two of the links you posted are saying completely the opposite for the most part. That's what I was referring to.
Besides the point anyway, AM5 is something you want, ideally, and that requires DDR5

AM4 is worse in every way

granted, the Intel 13th gen is really solid, and worth consideration if it ends up being cheaper locally, though I do believe AM5 still holds the crown for multi threaded performance (don't quote me on that tho)

good to know, surprising results actually, not going to lie

so it seems intel is winning unless you're literally tip top of the range (in unreal compilation at least :P)

im amazed at how close the 3rd gen and 4th gen ryzen are

I'll never understand why they skipped 4XXX for the mainstream consumer products

it is

though they do a "desktop" one, which is an atx motherboard with a soldered cpu

ryzen 6XXX is also notebook only

[plush turret]

Well the new computer is working perfectly. Haven't hit any lag at all yet which has in fact become a slight problem while gaming in single-player

Im so used to lag i could anticipate it and use it in games to up my reaction time. Now im constantly missing headshots in some games and horribly wrecking cars in gta simply driving around

[wind egret]

The most first world of first world problems.

[radiant leaf]

Has anyone started using unreal engine with a macbook m3 series.

?

[fresh fog]

I just came in here hoping to see a little bit of info surrounding use case and budget, but no 😔

i was looking at nvidia gpus and was looking at the 4060ti.

then i remembered Team Red exist

[violet spade]

So… I shouldn’t get one? 😅

Is it gonna have 16GB of slow VRAM?

[abstract mulch]

does anyone know if the upgrade of a Asus ROG Z790 HERO to a DARK HERO is worth it?

[abstract mulch]

That's what I was wondering... what exactly would the upgrade be? I can't find a whole lot of details on what the differences are

a native m.2 port?

[wind egret]

The DH shrinks its third PCIE expansion slot from 4.0x16 to 4.0x4, and 2 SATA ports went missing. It gains two real M2 slots and loses the add-on card. The PCIE5 M2 slot on the DH DISABLES the second expansion slot.

Comparing motherboards is fun-it's like deciding which of two healthy teeth gets the first root canal.

[violet spade]

Yeah I’d be getting the 16GB version. Even with the smaller bus, I imagine it would still be an improvement over my 6GB 2060

Which one would that be? I’m not really looking to spend nearly $1000 CAD for a GPU either

Smoother game dev for one

Unreal

I’m not keen on Unity and not rly interested in Godot

[violet spade]

Sorry, work happened. Not rly anything GPU intensive other than gaming.

[hardy marten]

my PC doesn't turn on sometimes unless I remove the CMOS battery and put it back, any ideas why it might happen?

I even upgraded to a massive UPS that powers my whole house

I needed to do it thrice this week

[violet spade]

I’m not fond of AMD 😅

[violet spade]

Did you try buying a new CMOS battery?

[hardy marten]

hard to tell tbh, it's anywhere between 5 and 45 seconds

[hardy marten]

it's almost brand new

i got this PC 3 months ago

[violet spade]

Yes but it could very well be an mfr defect

[hardy marten]

could be, yeah

idk I find this very strange behavior but my house's electrical systems have been through some change lately

I'll test it a few more times and maybe get the battery

[plush turret]

if it is a defect its less spectacular than mine

[hardy marten]

what's up?

[violet spade]

You have a UPS tho so I doubt that would be it

[hardy marten]

the electrical system changes were because of the UPS

had it installed yesterday

[violet spade]

Ah

[hardy marten]

gotta wait for a bit to see how it plays out

this is one of the 2 bizzare issues I've been having ever since I got this PC

apps that depend on github don't work for me

ANY app

Vortex, ReShade, LOOT (modding shit)

[plush turret]

ok so i updated to win11 now things have lagged down whenever im downloading things

like installing a game on steam or epic has returned typing speed to what it was on the space heater laptop

[plush turret]

the initial PSU i bought blew a capacitor an hour into using it, luckily the failsafes worked and my hardware was unaffected... but i did hurt myself when i lept out of my chair at a gunshot level bang

[hardy marten]

holy shit

the PSU??

[plush turret]

yeah

an RM1000x Kabang

[median marsh]

@hardy marten had that with an instable memory configuration on another system before

are you using 3rd party memory without XMP/Expo enabled?

[hardy marten]

what do you mean 3rd party? but no, I have EXPO enabled

[plush turret]

im just glad it wasnt one of the primary capacitors, if one of those had blown it could easily have slagged the system

[hardy marten]

which manufacturer is it from?

[plush turret]

corsair

[hardy marten]

damn

unexpected

[plush turret]

which means it was like a 1 in a few thousand chance

so i traded it out in store for an MSI G1000A

[hardy marten]

my previous rig has a corsair, it's great but I wanted to try something new lmao (I now use a deepcool one)

[median marsh]

anything not samsung, skhynx, crucial/micron, ...

so g.skill, corsair, and the other scammers 😄

[hardy marten]

I'm using g.skill

[hardy marten]

welp

wdym scammers tho

[median marsh]

my condolonces...

[hardy marten]

wait, samsung makes RAM? (as B2C, I mean)

[median marsh]

xD

[plush turret]

yeah

[hardy marten]

damn

[plush turret]

but yes what scam

[median marsh]

samsung makes the majority of dram on this planet

[hardy marten]

edit

[median marsh]

and companies like gskill/corsair/etc. buy it, overclock it, and sell it

[hardy marten]

WAIT WHAT HOW DID THE VAULT-BOY COME

[median marsh]

yea samsung also makes modules

[hardy marten]

oh right I have nitro now

[plush turret]

well i bought 5200mhz vengance ram

not having any issues

[hardy marten]

as long as I am not getting an inferior product, I am happy

[median marsh]

yet

[hardy marten]

my first RAM sticks were faulty asf - i cried about it for a week in this server itself

[plush turret]

agreed "less capable" is better than "inferior/breaks in a few months"

[hardy marten]

I bought higher performance RAM (6200MHz) and sent the old ones for a refund

working flawlessly

[plush turret]

yeah i just know that the cpu im using supports/uses up to 4800mhz in the first place

[plush turret]

if my key inputs stick in games is it my keyboard or likely something else causing the issue?

[plush turret]

Like i press "go forward" it does that for several seconds like its getting more command input

[clear osprey]

should i have 1 x 49" curved display or 3 x 27" curved displays

[lethal geode]

1 big curved one

but if your going for 3 don’t get curved ones

[fallen oasis]

I don't like the idea of a 49" ultra wide display.

Doesn't leave enough room at the sides for useful things.

I'd want one that did 1440p x 3 at least.

[clear osprey]

After further research unless you go for the really expensive with the ultrawides, most have a shallow radius and the edges of the screen end up quite far away

The 49" G9 Samsung odyssey has got a 1m Radius instead of 1.8 on the lower models and it looks way better but out of my budget

I got 3 x 27" Curved Dell Displays

At least I can angle them in as far as I want

And I got a monitor bracket for 32" displays to try and get the extra reach around I might need to compensate for the curve

[quick grove]

Guys, is A620M S2H DDR5 good for ryzen 5 7600?

[fresh fog]

The A series of AM5 boards are extremely budget. If they're anything like they used to be, they're pretty bad.

Go for a well reviewed B series or X series

[quick grove]

Oh like b350m or something like that? Okok. Thank you so much for your help

[fresh fog]

Well that's the wrong socket, so your CPU wouldn't work..you'd be looking at a b650, or an X670

Iirc, check the socket is am5 at least

Pc part picker can generally be good at reccomending compatible motherboards, and will give you local pricing too

[quick grove]

oh ok! thank you so much! i will look into those

[quick grove]

thanks! you're such a help

[fresh fog]

np!

[violet spade]

This is good info https://youtube.com/shorts/AEg0rr6eUEI?si=ZmHRRkeB69a27IJc

Yeah I rmbr watching one of those videos, but I was still thinking of it as putting only a small blob, so it’s good to know this is outdated for newer cpus

[median marsh]

that is way too much thermal paste

and i prefer to use some plastic card like a credit card, as it distributes more cleaner

also i think thermal paste gets a bit more liquid when heated up, so even the dot may spread out fine (not that i would do or recommend it)

the first one was probably better than the 2nd one

because of the fricking amount of thermal paste he used later

after all it's to fill air gaps, and conducts heat worse than the actual heat spreader metal

wait the whole video was a meme?

well i'm confused now

usually he doesn't give too bad advice

so i'm kinda surprised

that video is gold

also the reddit comment

Costs:
$4899 Thermal paste
$799 rest of the hardwares

[fallen oasis]

Haha

[thorny oak]

Are these supposed to be self-deprecating jokes? This guy has made many novice mistakes over the years and seemed to have extremely limited experience when he started

[median marsh]

so did a lot of people which are famous now...

[dark quail]

thermal paste is useless, get some liquid metal

[violet spade]

Ok there T-1000

[plush turret]

Gallium, jb weld, etc

[fervent jolt]

bring back conductive thermal paste just to make thermal paste interesting again

[opaque pond]

liquid metal

[frank glade]

Make it exploding thermal paste to make it really interesting

[fresh fog]

exciting.
i always thought my pc was too safe

[plush turret]

was expecting them to just dump a bucket of paste into the case just cause

[plush turret]

You can buy soap in 55 gallon drums why not thermal paste?

[median marsh]

you can

[plush turret]

Is it like 6 grand?

Is there anything obviously wrong with this monitor? It in budget, right size i want, light enough my existing mount works with it, and seems to be all around better than my 75hz 720p $80 sceptre monitor
https://a.co/d/5czSztN

[quick grove]

is this good?

[plush turret]

yes, though most budget lists dont put any 32"s, which is what i want.

[marsh mauve]

i need to buy a new GC. im thinking about rx7800xt and rtx 4070, what you guys recommend?

[plush turret]

for dev or gaming primarily

[marsh mauve]

for dev