hardware

[iron zenith]

when the 12000 series was new, DDR4 was a pretty good value proposition against AMD

[hardy marten]

that's neat

yeah they pretty much cost the same last I checked

[dense mirage]

How bad would the rx 6750 xt bottle neck the 13600k

Between Small, medium, large, dont even pair them

Seems the same performance as the r5 7600

Even with 6950 xt or 4090?

4090 is also a waste if money

To me, personally

[median marsh]

for gaming yea

for dev it's sometimes worth the money i guess

[dense mirage]

I havent seen any builds except 1, with 4090s in sli.

[hardy marten]

wow people still do multi-GPU builds?

damn

TIL

[dense mirage]

Why would ai need gpus

Gpus cant do half the math cpus can

[hardy marten]

tbh I wonder that too

[dense mirage]

Gpus can't even do 1/4th the math

[hardy marten]

rendering maybe

for those non-LLM ones

[dense mirage]

Rendering what exactly

[hardy marten]

images? video? idk

AI uses VRAM?

why not RAM?

(idk anything about AI)

[dense mirage]

Vram is just ram

Like the ones you put in dim slots

[hardy marten]

it's not tho

gotcha

[dense mirage]

Oh, thought they were the same

I could read, yeah

I just wanna know if this is a legit card from a trusted company

They are real and purchasable but exceedingly more expensive than MSI, zotac, and asus gpus.

I've never heard of this brand either

I didnt even know cards like this existed. I thought itd just be a custom shroud and back plate, not a full gpu

I'm considering the 3060 12gb over the 6750 xt just because I'm way more familiar with GeForce software

[spice girder]

8GB of vram is for many thing today not enough

[dense mirage]

I use it just to raise saturation colour of csgo, that's its sole purpose for me

[hardy marten]

why on earth would you need that

[dense mirage]

Using windows to do it might actually be better

[dense mirage]

Seems like a good anti thief measure

[hardy marten]

lmaoo alright

I have the AMD software uninstalled after it kept recording gigabytes of random video

I don't even receive any notif

yeah that's what I did, driver-only

oh

ehh I never needed to use those lol

maybe when I need them

it's been a while since I've updated drivers themselves actually damn

bleh I'll let it be; there's no problems I experience

[dense mirage]

Is windows 11 worth it

[hardy marten]

I'm considering it

I will be upgrading everything anyway, why stop at the OS?

[dense mirage]

Any perks, aka less bloatware and useless crap no one uses

[hardy marten]

good UI?

[dense mirage]

Steams new UI is horrible

[hardy marten]

idk what that is, lemme check

[hardy marten]

I love it, don't have to rely on skins anymore

[dense mirage]

It's nice and all, but it feels slow

[hardy marten]

GOG ftw?

I never saw any hits in my performace with or without DRM so I never really cared

[hardy marten]

are you using an HDD?

[dense mirage]

No it's a ssd

My laptop isnt the best, but even old steams ui was kinda snappy on it

I blame their servers

[hardy marten]

I am running a (I think) PCIe 3.0 SSD and it's very fast

never noticed it lol, only game that takes forever to load is BF2042 but that game performs like shit overall anyway

fair enough

CD go bye bye, game go bye bye

took me 7 lol

but it's a pretty light game ig

that's fair, didn't get to experience that first hand

I bought a copy of GTA: SA and after that my memory is a blur until 2017

I did 😬

I am running a first gen Ryzen

I'm sure yours is much better

hmm okay maybe I am an idiot

one thing I hate is how long it takes to exit

before the UI update, it just... exited

now it takes like 5 seconds to do that

and there's a shitty animation on top of that

[hardy marten]

did you try GOG Galaxy?

[hardy marten]

ah well, I like GOG more lol

that's why I ask

[dense mirage]

Why is the 3060 cheaper than rx 6750 suddenly

They was like same price a week or so ago

Nvm it was 4060 that was same price

[devout pollen]

Does it matter what monitor I get for working with unreal engine indie game development?

If yes, what aspects of monitor spec should I worried about?

[fallen oasis]

Playnite is pretty good.

A shame it doesn't get push notifications about new games added to libraries, though.

Having to manually update it when I buy something is a bother.

I still use it.

Mine too.

But the only option for that is when it loads.

There's no "fetch every hour" or whatever.

If I buy something it won't appear on playnite straight away.

Possibly.

Hence "push notification would be nice"

No idea.

[devout pollen]

Thanks

Im trying to keep my money for CPU and GPU

So I think its ok to buy a very cheap monitor like $150 CAD

Right?

Thanks

What about hard drive?

Is 1tb ssd nvme pcle 4 and one 2tb 7200rpm good enough for a beginner?

Aha

Thanks

Also I think Im wasting money on Power supply

Its like $140 CAD almost the same prices as two storages 😅

Do I really need this?

Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Aha

[median marsh]

you dont need fully modular tho

semi modular is good enough

[dense mirage]

Are game devs gonna rely on dlss to optimize their games for them now

Dsll/dlss, idfr

[fresh fog]

no and whats this got to do with #hardware

[devout pollen]

Thanks

How much do you think I can save if I go with semi modular?

If its less than 30-40 CAD, I dont think im gonna change it as I already ordered the parts

Another questions

There was a website that was advertised by a you tuber that sell window 10 for $25

Are these reliable? Is this legal?

[fresh fog]

you can most definitely get legit keys for that. A lot of the cheap ones are grey market tho

[devout pollen]

And does it really have any impact on the hardware performance if I get windows 10 instead of 11

[dense mirage]

Yes but no but yes but also no

[devout pollen]

What do mean?

My cpu is 7800x3d AMD

[fresh fog]

you don't even have to activate windows.
and if you do end up buying a grey market key, that is technically oem, microsoft assassins aren't going to kick your door in :P

[dense mirage]

Cant force you to update if you dont connect to wifi

[dense mirage]

Laura 👉👈

[fresh fog]

if you airgap your computer you probably aren't asking questions here

[devout pollen]

So what you are saying is to spend the $150 for window 11

[dense mirage]

Oh I didnt see

[devout pollen]

I dont understand tour English

Sorry

Not my first language

[dense mirage]

I think only some gpus support it, I'm not sure.

What's considered a modern gpu, cus like 60 different gpus have been released in the last 3 years including intels gpus

[plush turret]

all

[devout pollen]

I read about oem and not activating windows.

So if I dont activate windows, all disadvantages are(according to an article) having a watermark on my screen and not being able to customize the wallpaper or mouse curser

Is this correct?

[fresh fog]

you can actually still customize your wallpaper

[dense mirage]

The watermark thing yes, but the other things I'm not sure about.

[median marsh]

no, it's more like $10-$20 probably, so keep whatever you ordered

[dense mirage]

Semi modular is that cheap?

Nope, definitely $50+

[fresh fog]

You aren't saving $50 by getting a semi modular Vs a fully modular

[dense mirage]

I see no point in getting semi modular psus

Fully modular should be mandatory, in case if just one or two power cords break you can just replace that for 2 or so bucks instead of buying an entire new psu

[plush turret]

What breaks the ATX cord?

Thats usually all thats not nodular, since you don't have a computer without one

[fresh fog]

I still root for fully modular. Non modular cables tend to be pretty damn stiff

[median marsh]

never ever in working 30 years with computers i've came across a PSU with a broken cable....

fully modular is just totally unnecessary, you will use the ATX cable anyways

and every plug connector is a point which could fail and increases the overall resistance

hello ATX12VO....

[median marsh]

$10-$20 less compared to a fully modular....

[frank glade]

Fully modular because it's easier to assemble in mitx cases

[fresh fog]

I had to make case modifications because my atx cable on my semi mod was far too stiff. Fully modular all the way. 10 bucks to never have to worry about that

[dense mirage]

Cable extensions brother

[sullen wing]

What’s the best laptop to buy to run unreal engine 5 for meta humans for less than $2000? Is this any good https://a.co/d/0WcnDkD ?

[fresh fog]

Unless you absolutely have to, don't get a laptop

[sullen wing]

I have too# because I am mobile and can’t really have a work station

Would rtx 3070 and 64 ram good enough?

[hardy marten]

yes, it would be

[dapper spoke]

hi, is there some sort of documentation/overview that can tell what parts/features of the engine are cpu intensive, and if they are single or multi threaded?

[plush turret]

need help deciding what to stick in my media desktop as well, mid tower, with a 450w PSU, not looking to upgrade the PSU, but it is AMD

currently a DDR3 supporting single core CPU with 12gb ram

at 1600mhz

i like the case, HDD, PSU

need a new CPU, MB, and Ram

its more that when i get the big boy, this thing is the backup in case of fatal or if i have a guest over without a computer to game

or so i can play games like fallout 4 (my current laptop cant for some reason), while the main computer is working itself

it wont start on this laptop

it was made in 2019

hp elitebook 754 g5

i mean the laptop is decent, but it was NOT built for gaming, its one of those ultra security featured professional laptops

with a built in biometric scanner and smart card reader

worst case i get another ram stick for it

i got a $25 amazon gift card, and a 16gb stick (for the 2nd slot) is $29

weirdly i had to go into the user manual to find that its DDR4

im assuming 24gb ram will do for most games with a 4 core CPU

yeah something eating up my ram

chrome and discord are all thats open:

what would be a good budget one? 3060 or 4060?

the CPU is AMD what would be the best option for it

really its just for games, like fallout and low end GTAV settings

and movies

reliability is key cause the thing goes a LONG time between shutdowns

usually month-6 weeks between

so what would you suggest?

what about the 3050

its a single core

AMD a4-7300

the kit was $400 in 2015

case is good, HDD is good at 4tb, (with 1tb secondary), PSU is powerful enough for some upgrades

the MB isnt bad, just the CPU and ram

[plush turret]

too bad theres not a way to hook up a GPU to the laptops dock

agreed but never argue with a free laptop

especially when your other option is the media desktop that struggles on 3 chrome windows

also until really recently its been better for me to have a laptop, as desktops usually fall into checked baggage, given i was a country level regional manager

[frank glade]

assistant to the country level regional manager

[plush turret]

lol, i had regular travel among 7 states

i got back "home" maybe 4 days a month

and if i checked baggage it cost me, company paid for 1 small suitcase, and my travel tickets, i couldnt fit a mid tower AND 2 weeks clothes + suits into that

[trim lark]

I already asked in #ue5-general but Laura pointed me here since I was on the wrong spot.
What's the recommended computer to use with unreal 5 and c++? I don't mean the minimum setup to run, I don't mean the "recommended" machine on the official documentation.
I mean the minimum setup that would work well, and everything always feeling kinda responsive? I am fine with turning down graphics in the editor. But I want to know if there's a machine that experiences fast load times, fast c++ compile times and generally fast.

[plush turret]

Whats your budget cause aside from the constant point outs that 13th gen is better i have a parts list that makes a decent desktop for under like $1500

[trim lark]

The money is not issue, but I'm trying to figure what's the minimal setup that runs actually good. I'm pretty sure my station at job is more than $1500 (might be wrong) and I'm not experiencing anything close to decent.

[trim lark]

would love to see what those parts look like tho

[plush turret]

one sec let me get the list updated

[trim lark]

thanks! 🙂

[plush turret]

thats basically what im getting except im getitng a 4090 and a 1kw PSU

and a 4TB SSD for me

idk what the stats on your work computer are but based on several weeks/months chat here the build im going with has a decent blend of budget (aside from GPU) and power

the case isnt anything special if thats a big thing for you and like nothing in this build lights up

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aws/cart/add.html?AssociateTag=pcpapi-a2c-20&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ7JFGIL5RY5JHCPA&ASIN.1=B09FXNVDBJ&Quantity.1=1&ASIN.2=B08WPDD6GD&Quantity.2=1&ASIN.3=B09KKYXXQB&Quantity.3=1&ASIN.4=B09R7S7PXC&Quantity.4=1&ASIN.5=B08RK2SR23&Quantity.5=1&ASIN.6=B0C5BQ1HM6&Quantity.6=1&ASIN.7=B08C7BGV3D&Quantity.7=1&ASIN.8=B08R5W27JS&Quantity.8=1

I mean price can change a lot simply because you got a good case or liquid cooling you dont neef

the direct amazon cart add link

i mean the ROG case i though looked cool was more expensive than the CPU and SSD combined

$449 USD

for a case...

[trim lark]

I have a 12th gen intel I7 12700k
64gb ram
1TB disk
GTX RTX 3070
hmm... maybe I'm not above 1500 anymore

xD

checking prices

still, its quite close if not better than the recommended stuff at the documentation.

[plush turret]

Yeah, i got my list cause i usually only have splurg cash every few years and this will be powerful enough for a few years

[trim lark]

I wouldn't describe the experience anything close to satisfactory. For a time I thought it was a problem with my machine but I see a lot of people having similar setup in the studio and having general sluggishes

might be project related, but last studio I was it also felt like that, the machines were a bit worse, but it was UE4 era

[trim lark]

I'll try to make a list and document it during the week more specifically, but I would say its a general thing. Press play on a very barren level, it goes slow. Open the editor with a default empty map (so I don't pass through a heavy level) goes slow. Trying to switch blueprints, it goes slow.

Now I think about it, it might be because I'm launching the editor from visual studio, though I generally remember having similar issues when I didn't do that, I could document this more carefully.

one that happens frequently are these freezes that make the machine completely unresponsive for a period of 2-15 seconds.

these would be really hard to pin down to anything in specific.

One thing that I definetely fear, is what I experience as "slow" is just what is a given, what I mean is, everyone expects it.

[median marsh]

well thats probably the people who do engine modifications...!?

[trim lark]

😔 thanks for the info. Will see what I make out of it.

[cerulean dew]

I have a hardware related question , I’m developing an open world multiplayer extremely gpu heavy, I can’t decide whether to get a 1080ti or 6700xt. 1080ti is gddr5 and 6700xt is gddr6, I’m not sure how much of an impact the difference would make on development, could someone guide me on this ?

[fallen oasis]

The biggest issue is always vram. the 6700xt probably has more vram?

[cerulean dew]

Yes 12 gb

Okay yeah me too

[keen bone]

Does anyone know why windows dwm may increase the GPU usage a lot when using standalone game mode? I'm opening two game windows, and it skyrockets the usage. When using the regular PIE it stays at 3-9%.

[keen bone]

I'm not sure what iGPU is, but it says GPU 0 - 3D in the GPU engine

wdym? processes?

[fallen oasis]

She means of the tab itself, not which tab is left of it in the tab list.

[keen bone]

That?

[keen bone]

I guess standalone consumes way more then PIE does, because I can run those without any problems

Does it? The first screenshot is made with 2 standalone games, while the second one with 2 Play in selected viewport

Makes sense

Apparently OBS also makes a decent difference, even without recording. I can easily run 2 standalone games without it, and dwm stays at like 10%, but when I launch OBS it makes everything slow, sadge

[mighty cosmos]

Only recording software that has close to no impact for me has been Nvidia shadowplay/GeForce experience recording thing

No matter how I set up OBS always had at least a little bit of a hit

[digital hound]

Hello again!

I was wondering if people here use Wacom tablets in combination with UE5, and especially when it comes to world building?

[devout pollen]

Hi

I have built a new pc

When first installing windows, it shows both my ssd and hdd

But now that windows is installed, it only shows ssd (which I installed windows on)

Why is that?
Driver issues?

I have one unknown device in device manger

[mighty cosmos]

go in disk management and see if it's there, if it's brand new you will most likely need to format it and create the partitions there

[devout pollen]

Yea its there

I formatted and it shows under this pc

Im using AMD 7800x3d

It has an integrated gpu
I also installed a 3060 12gb

Do I need to do something? Like disabling the integrated gpu?

When I go to task manager/performance, I see both GPUs

[devout pollen]

How do I make unreal work on integrated gpu for testing?

[devout pollen]

My hdd is now on removable section, like a usb stick.

I did read some articles to see if I can fix it.

Any idea what might caused this?

[mighty cosmos]

hmm I'm actually not sure, I know there are some bios options and specific sata slots that can make your drives "hot swappable" so I would look in that direction probably

[devout pollen]

Aha

Thanks

[plush turret]

so i figured out the problem with running fallout 4

wasnt hardware like i thought, somehow the screen resolution got set to a pair of odd numbers

[dense mirage]

What are wacom tablets

[dense mirage]

Why did I think it was a pill..

[brittle wyvern]

Help, Error and Crashing

[File:D:\build++UE5\Sync\Engine\Source\Runtime\Windows\D3D11RHI\Private\D3D11Util.cpp] [Line: 180] Unreal Engine is exiting due to D3D device being lost. (Error: 0x887A0020 - 'INTERNAL_ERROR')

[digital hound]

Haha, love that response! Why the definitive “No” though, if I may ask?

[fresh fog]

It's just not that useful tbh. It's not like art where pressure sensitivity and accuracy matter

[digital hound]

Makes absolute complete sense! Thank you both, ACuppaTea and Laura. You saved me from buying an expensive Wacom 😁

[median marsh]

you can buy an expensive space mouse which has probably more use in unreal

[silent wyvern]

what is space mouse?

mouse in the space?

[median marsh]

yes, the left one

[hardy marten]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-meme-memes-gif-24277198

I've ordered an Across the Spider-Verse edition GPU of an RTX 4070

[median marsh]

this thing?

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/Le9ERrZf4pVMVSszyjEuS5-970-80.jpg.webp

the zotac, the pallit seems to be some custom mod

and sadly nails it better than the commercial one...

[hardy marten]

the zotac one

[hardy marten]

yes

[hardy marten]

it does but what's the point if I can't see the frontplate lol

plus, cooling might be an issue

[median marsh]

yea whoever made the pallit one might have a case with a riser for vertical mount

[dense mirage]

Vertical mount

@iron zenith why is windows telling me to activate windows when windows was activated already

All I did was safe eject a usb

[hardy marten]

I am poor fair enough

[hardy marten]

try rebooting?

[north forge]

clearly you just need to activate the activation

[dense mirage]

You ordered a spooder man edition of a 4070.

[hardy marten]

it cost the same as a regular 4070 lol

[dense mirage]

And how much is a 4070

[hardy marten]

damn you

[dense mirage]

And hey look at that, activate windows went away

[hardy marten]

awesome, what'd you do

[dense mirage]

I'm not sure, I didnt touch it until it went into sleep mode then picked it back up to restart it but it was already fixed

[hardy marten]

fair, a refresh should've solved it

[dense mirage]

No seriously how much is a 4070

[hardy marten]

cost me $800

[dense mirage]

Wowzers

70% of my pcs budget

[hardy marten]

my PC's budget snowballed

like really hard

[dense mirage]

Cant wait to play roblox in 8k

[hardy marten]

the total was $860 intially but as you can see, it's not that anymore

[dense mirage]

Wow

I'm surprised you got all the components for 60 bucks

[hardy marten]

guess what, I will still be using a generic 1080p 60Hz monitor

[dense mirage]

While the gpu was 800

[hardy marten]

with an RTX 4070 😍

[hardy marten]

ikr? it's insane

R9 7900X for $30

[dense mirage]

Must be a old Pentium system

[hardy marten]

lol you wish

[dense mirage]

Hey chill

Pentiums are sexy

[hardy marten]

Ryzens are sexier

[dense mirage]

Amd FX are hotter

Literally

Teehee

[hardy marten]

AMD ftw

I switched from Radeon to GeForce with this purchase tho 😔

[dense mirage]

Forgive me, but I drilled a hole into a Pentium cpu and fit a grommet through it, so I could wear it as a necklace charm

Like all necklaces that lay on my neck, it fell victim to chain snappage and was lost

[hardy marten]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-sospecha-mirada-look-gif-7194479

[dense mirage]

I'll do it again

Do breadboards and arduinos fall under the topic of this channel

[hardy marten]

I used to be a Team Red guy but GeForce just seems better

both as a player and a dev

RTX, DLSS, nVidia Studio, all that stuff

Nothing beats AMD at CPUs

[fallen oasis]

Cuda

[hardy marten]

yes yes that too

Tensor

(that's rtx cores, right?)

nahhh Ryzen better

name 2 reasons why I should switch to a Core ix instead of a Ryzen x

I never really explored the entry-level stuff, R3 and 5's aren't good?

exploding CPUs?? performance based on Xbox Game Bar? wot?

I see

idk Ryzens are simpler to understand and use and AMx sockets last really, really long

both are dealbreakers for me

Ryzen 9 7900x vs i9 9098044

LGA 1837894 vs AM5

lemme find real examples for intel stuff

hold on

how many years?

counterpoint: ALL Ryzen 9s have 8+ cores while i9s start with 6 cores

ALL Ryzen 7s have 8 (or 6 too?) but i7s are more complex

I'm talking specsheet wise

yk, easier to remember

all that

alright, I am not arguing over AMD either, just stating my opinions

btw do intel's processors have hyperthreading?

oh

welp my b

really? damn

that is... not what I was expecting?

I didn't purchase one yet but I've been eyeing a 7900x

another counterpoint: it's wayy easier for beginners who are just entering the PC building sector to explain AMD's lineup over intel's

image 1 is only i9's (idk what gens) and image 2 is literally all of the 7000 series processors

ofc this is not a defining factor but it helps yk?

[wind egret]

Where is this 7*00F I heard about

[hardy marten]

oh crap, I didn't find a filter there

;-; fair enough

[hardy marten]

just curious, what do HK, HF, E, F, mean?

from intel's sheet

ahh those are all laptops

i didn't know but idc too lol

[wind egret]

F (AMD) is actually not laptop, it appears to be prebuilt only

[hardy marten]

I can't see one of them

ah so the letters can be chained?

I might be making a grave mistake

welp, glad I didn't purchase a CPU yet but it's still pretty late for me to change stuff

fuck why tf did no one tell me how good intel's CPUs are until now

[wind egret]

Intel used to sell T desktop processors. 35W bebbies. They also used X before they used K. Why, marketing, why...

[hardy marten]

until now lol

[dense mirage]

Because amd are superior in terms of price

[hardy marten]

that's what I was thinking

[dense mirage]

What does the F stand for

[wind egret]

I mean, "until now" is essentially "until 12th series"

Press F to pay respects for your integrated graphics processor

[hardy marten]

say I am on a really tight budget and an RTX 4070 in transit, do you think it's worth having to restructure and maybe increase a budget a bit (I really don't want to)

i hate to admit it but i can't seem to convince myself to not buy a ryzen

my primary determinant factors would be lighting/building in general (and shaders too ig)

I won't be modifying engine code or compiling any other code

I'm a designer, not a programmer and that doesn't look like it'll change - at least sometime soon

[wind egret]

AMD is in a bit of a hump because you have 1st-gen issues with the 7000s, and end of life miasma with the 5000s.

[dense mirage]

Game consoles all use amd cpu and gpus. The only standout that uses a nvidia GPU is the Nintendo switch.

[hardy marten]

yeah, you're right, I wonder if optimization for consoles will be difficult if I use an intel CPU

[dense mirage]

Idk how optimizing works. I've never made it that far into a single project of mine

The only intel systems I used were laptops or all in one systems. Or the systems in computer labs at school

[hardy marten]

I've dabbled with it a little bit

because performance was tanking and I couldn't use the editor properly

[hardy marten]

believe it or not, I've NEVER used an intel CPU extensively

[dense mirage]

Most systems I used could barely even run flash games

They were intel

R.i.p flash

[hardy marten]

ehh all that depends on the specific CPU, don't it?

[dense mirage]

Yeah, those school systems weren't that great

But tux paint was fun

[hardy marten]

oh yeah I remember that

[dense mirage]

Why havent you picked a cpu yet

It's the cream of the crop

The mitochondria of the cell that is the pc system

Got several options to pair up with the 4070

R5 5600, r5 7600, r7 7700, i5 136000k

I hate pc building, but I love looking at unpackaged cpus being carefully put into its socket

[wind egret]

I only just now realized the AMD 7000s all have integrated graphics (except the 7500F) ||What year is it?!||

Oooh a 136000k.

[neon shard]

Hi, I am building a new pc and for the gpu I have a budget of 550€, In my country the best nvidia gpu I could get is the 4060 ti 16gb version, I was wandering if amd gpu, which are cheaper, are slower in software like UE5 and blender

[neon shard]

for 550 I could get a 6800xt, but I only got a 650w psu I don't know if that's enough, also the new mid range amd gpu should be out soon so I could wait

[fallen oasis]

a 4060 ti 12gb is gonna be better than 6800xt

He mentioned one.

[tardy turtle]

I think it's just 8gig or 16gig

[fallen oasis]

Oh 16gb sorry

[tardy turtle]

what do you think the difference in UE5 would be between a 12gig and a 16gig? (please don't say 4 gig 😄 )

yeah that bus speed is the bit that has my attention - I just got caught out by getting an 8gig card last time and don't want to make that mistake again.

agreed!

it does make the AMDs look enticing - any problems with drivers?

that sounds promising - I'm now leaning towards upgrading to rx6800 - thanks!

lol "we don't want to waste anybodies time here" - yeah the 4060ti isn't looking very good... the only thing NV seems to consistently do better at is power usage.

[mighty cosmos]

I used AMD cards before as well with no issues at all

[tardy turtle]

that rings a bell - catalyst drivers for the ATI Rage

I hope they've got better since then

nice! that does look clean and usable - not having to sign up is a bonus too - that always annoyed me...

[plush turret]

So i shouldn't get a 4060 for my spare gaming desktop? (For friends who come over)

[silent wyvern]

People have spare PCs with 4060 for friends while I’m in 1060🥹

[hardy marten]

I'm waiting to receive money lol, there wad a delay

I had enough to order the GPU so I did it because I didn't want it to go out of stock

[hardy marten]

I'm going with an R9 7900X

I did check out 13th gen i9s like Laura said but they're much more expensive than the R9 for me

yeah, that makes sense

[spice girder]

on the 06. September the amd RX 7800xt(16gb vrm 499 usd msp ) and rx 7700xt (12gb vrm 449 usd msp). If the Monitor is a 1080p on 12 gb of vram should be enough and 16 GB vram is a must for 1440p and in general the saver bet. That is mostly gaming based.

[pearl hazel]

Sup rade

[iron zephyr]

@pearl hazel

r u gonna buy a new laptop?

or used

[pearl hazel]

New is what i prefer of course

[iron zephyr]

pc or laptop?

i mean i would better buy a pc since its way more convetient to work on a big display

laptops displays are way too smal

small

i think

[pearl hazel]

Laptop for the time being but suggest me a pc build and ill see

[iron zephyr]

do u want new parts for ur pc build?

[pearl hazel]

I think for pc used parts arent too bad no?

[iron zephyr]

yes

they arent

[iron zephyr]

could u tell me whats the price of used 3060 for example in ur country?

so i can figure out how expensive all the parts are

[pearl hazel]

I think 680

[iron zephyr]

for a 3060?????

i mean for a used 3060???

its like 300 dollars for a 3060 in my country

[pearl hazel]

Srry i just double checked its 350

[iron zephyr]

ok

thats fine then

[iron zephyr]

i will text u once I configure a pc build ok?

[pearl hazel]

Works w me

[iron zephyr]

nd also

whats ur budgt?

[pearl hazel]

Thx btw!

[iron zephyr]

for a pc

[pearl hazel]

I am welling to pay 800-850 for the laptop, so how u think would that translate over for a pc and monitor ?

[iron zephyr]

so 850 for a pc + monitor?

[pearl hazel]

Yeah is that okay? Or should i increase the budget?

[iron zephyr]

its okay

[pearl hazel]

🫡

[iron zephyr]

btw

whats the price for ryzen 7 5700x in ur country

[pearl hazel]

Lemme check

280

[iron zephyr]

could u double check?

and is it for used?

[pearl hazel]

https://uae.microless.com/product/amd-ryzen-7-5700x-desktop-processor-socket-am4-8-cores-4-6-ghz-7nm-16-threads-36mb-cache-65w-thermal-design-power-ddr4-memory-type-supports-pcie-4-0-x16-100-100000926wof/

New its up for sale

It was 350 before

[opaque pond]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/BY96Xk what do you think about this build purely for UE?

[plush turret]

Likely 1080p max. Likely an i5, 32gb ram

Im team blue all the way.

Me and my friend play like 1-2 times a month, for like a whole weekend and atm he has an alienware laptop (moves back and forth between parents) and i wanna build a decent rig for him to play reasonably well

While he's at my place

[spice girder]

there are Intel gpu's like the a770 through no idea how go it is for it's price

[plush turret]

Amazon has some good deals for buying an intel cpu and gpu

[spice girder]

or look if you can find a cheap rtx 3060 12gb vram

[plush turret]

But yeah 100% for "guests" gaming. My office/game room is already rigged for sound professionally

[spice girder]

don't buy a gpu with less than 12gb of vram

[plush turret]

Biggest bottlecap atm is network speed, still on dsl but the fiber line is in, just not activated

[spice girder]

vram to if you get one with 8 or 10 gb

[plush turret]

most likely game were gonna be playing is space engineers, PUBG, GTAV, RDR2, Payday 2, and ARK

really just need it to not be a slideshow pixel fest

there are "sideways" mid towers right?

the spare desk is ancient and small (from the 40's)

its surface area is terrible, and id prefer not to cut into it

but it does have 3 17 inch x 7.5 inch openings for drawers

[iron zephyr]

@pearl hazel AMD ryzen 5 5600, mother board B550M AORUS Elite, ssd m.2 Kingston M2 NVME M.2 2280 KC3000 1024 gb, 2x 8gb Kingston HyperX FURY 3466mhz, RTX 3060, as for power unit, buy it in a local store same goes for a pc box

[pearl hazel]

Thank you brother 🫡🫡😄

What abt if i just decide to go with a laptop do u suggest anything?

[iron zephyr]

i aint good at choosing laptops tbh

[iron zephyr]

damn i forgot about cooler for ur processor

can u pls choose it urself?

[pearl hazel]

Yeah sure, thank you so much again!

[silent wyvern]

Is this a good price for 3060 12GB?

[hardy marten]

it's $100 cheaper than the ones I found

[lapis knot]

its probably refurbished

[hardy marten]

lmao wtf is "Full New"

but yeah I've never heard of SOYO either

the graphic (image) looks like it's a scam either

[tardy turtle]

https://wonderfullytech.com/buying-a-graphics-card-from-aliexpress-or-alibaba-what-you-need-to-know/

[silent wyvern]

where do you guys recommend to buy then?

Amazon?

[hardy marten]

where I am from, there's many reputable individual retailers

but Amazon works too

[hardy marten]

a good way of checking is to go to nvidia's website and clicking "where to buy?"

don't use VPN or something so it can detect your country

[opaque pond]

What do you think?

[median marsh]

i'm pretty sure i had some soyo mainboards like 20 years ago (so that company is producing computer hardware for quite a long time, just not too popular on the western market)

[hardy marten]

a larger SSD is probably better, get a 6800XT if you can

and PSU should be 850W+

rest looks good

[opaque pond]

I was also considering just upgrading cpu or something

[median marsh]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyo_Group

[hardy marten]

if you have the budget, sure thing

I am about to purchase the exact same CPU

[median marsh]

the weird thing is that it says defunct 2009 on the wiki page

[hardy marten]

prolly a copy

[median marsh]

they use the same logo

[opaque pond]

I meant like a 5900x

[hardy marten]

yeah that should work too

[silent wyvern]

God not a single local stores sells 5950x

[hardy marten]

which GPU do you have now?

[silent wyvern]

how's this price?

[hardy marten]

if you don't have local, there's nothing you can do now, ain't it?

[opaque pond]

6600

[silent wyvern]

510$ is too much?

[hardy marten]

okay, okay

[hardy marten]

idk the MRP

[silent wyvern]

you have 5950x right?

[median marsh]

i think an 5950x is overkill tho

by the time i bought it, i had to compile the engine several times a week

i would probably be fine with a 5900x or even 5800x (if i hadn't some intense custom tasks which are poorly optimized and where the threadcount just helps to get through them :D)

[silent wyvern]

Overkill even untill 2029?

for UE use case obviously

[median marsh]

that depends more on you than on the engine

[silent wyvern]

I'm buying it for 5-6 years

[median marsh]

if you dont intend to learn c++ and put a lot of effort into it, you wont use 16 cores

you would benefit more from going next gen with 8 cores and faster single thread performance (and DDR5)

[wind egret]

If you "need" 16 cores now, in 3 years you will "need" 32 cores.

[silent wyvern]

why is that?

[median marsh]

because unreal with blueprint wont utilize much cores

[wind egret]

If you can get away with 8 cores now, you can buy distributed compile time for the rest of your life!

[silent wyvern]

I plan to make multiplayer game next year. Which requires fair amount of C++ use I guess

[median marsh]

and how much c++ do you know by now?

[silent wyvern]

I finished 2 courses

so not much

[silent wyvern]

what do you mean had to compile?

[median marsh]

also doing multiplayer stuff (with c++) and doing multi threaded stuff (with c++) are two cans of worms

[silent wyvern]

It was very high quality course. Usually I don't like courses either. But that one was worth the time and money

expect me to become expert after 2 courses?

[dense mirage]

Yes

[median marsh]

you wont become expert if you take all courses

you become expert by hitting the wall and falling on your face a hundred times

[silent wyvern]

most Youtubers say AM5 isn't best for buck neither

[median marsh]

most youtubers arent unreal devs

[silent wyvern]

that's why I wrote "not much"

[median marsh]

also tbh am5 feels a bit like a design fail

[dense mirage]

Also, most youtubers just wanna push out content without actually giving good points

[median marsh]

with their am4 cooler compatibility

[dense mirage]

Theres only two pc tech youtubers I watch and trust

[opaque pond]

Will the 3700x be good enough

UE5

Everything

[silent wyvern]

your "trust" is very subjective

[median marsh]

yes

[opaque pond]

Why

[dense mirage]

They're trusted because they give actually advice on both aspects of gaming and productivity. While most only focus on the gaming aspect.

[silent wyvern]

what CPU you guys recommend on AM5 then?

[opaque pond]

Well not building the engine

Just Everything in engine

[dense mirage]

Cant go wrong with the ryzen 5 7600

Maybe

[hardy marten]

if you want AMD, go for a 7000 series R9

[dense mirage]

It's pretty solid

[median marsh]

if you strap it under your foot, yea

[hardy marten]

ofc if you can afford it

also that

[silent wyvern]

not only AMD but best choice in your opinion for my case

[dense mirage]

Am5 is only for amd

It's their socket

[silent wyvern]

Intel too

ok

[opaque pond]

Won't the 3700x be enough for just game dev?

[median marsh]

why did pudget decide to compare 16 threads amd with (24?) threads intel

https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=77017&width=900

talking about this one

[hardy marten]

they said it's for pricing

[dense mirage]

Damn intel falling off the wagon

[hardy marten]

$40 difference

[opaque pond]

I am working on an open world fps

[median marsh]

actually that might be the reason, they are almost equally priced now

[hardy marten]

not for me they're not

[dense mirage]

Depending on how big the map is and how you handle world rendering it should be okay. It's still a 8 core 16 thread cpu

[median marsh]

right, i looked at 7800x not 7700x

[tardy turtle]

The bit from that document I thought made sense is most modern CPUs are literally waiting for frames to be finished so they can move on to their next task

[hardy marten]

the intel is $145 more expensive than the AMD

[dense mirage]

More of a good time than ever to upgrade rn

[hardy marten]

7900x

[median marsh]

in a game made by an experienced studio, yea

but not in the usual beginner BP project (that wasnt originally meant to target YOUR project :D)

[opaque pond]

Well won't 8 cores be more than enough?

[median marsh]

if you only utilize 8 cores, yeah

[silent wyvern]

no

[hardy marten]

you'll want how many ever cores you can get

[median marsh]

no

[silent wyvern]

I read that somewhere...

[tardy turtle]

Yes BP can be the bottleneck you're right.

[hardy marten]

huh why not

[median marsh]

because those who dont utilize 8 cores benefit more from spending the money on better single thread performance (and or more memory bandwidth, e.g. getting a DDR5 platform instead of DDR4)

already said that like 30 minutes ago...

[hardy marten]

understood

[hardy marten]

sorry, missed it

[silent wyvern]

Puget system doesn't recommend 8 cores for UE

[median marsh]

if you are unsure about the actual core count you need it's highly likely that a fast 8 core cpu is better than a slow 16 core cpu for you

e.g. 7800x has 5.4GHz boost compared to 5950x with 4.9GHz

[dense mirage]

Yes, but you dont wanna render the entire world constantly while also rendering AI controlled units and dynamic props. Itll heavily reduce performance

[opaque pond]

Well won't be good enough tho?

[dense mirage]

Take pokemon scarlet and violet for example

They rendered the entire world while also rendering in all the pokemon that spawn in your vicinity

The performance was horrible

[silent wyvern]

That's what they wrote in their website

[dense mirage]

That and the map was poorly made for a pokemon game. Clipping through it, pokemon spawns being inside the floor so they spawn in the floor or sides of the mountain

[median marsh]

where does pudget say that 8 core for UE is bad?

[dense mirage]

He doesnt

[median marsh]

nvm they do

We do not recommend any CPU with 8 or fewer cores, so Intel's new 13600K provides a great entry-level CPU for Unreal development.

[dense mirage]

Oh

OH

So yeah I should go with the i5 136000k instead of r7 7700

[median marsh]

no

[wind egret]

There's that 136000k again

[median marsh]

they benchmarked compile shaders, which changed a bit and is less invasive to the end user

[dense mirage]

Oh

Shaders is gpu work anyways

[median marsh]

they benchmarked cpu light builds, which are unnecessary in lumen and most people use gpu lightmass for old light system these days

and they benchmarked code compile...

[dense mirage]

How many cores does the ue5 compiler use?

[median marsh]

which is the only relevant thing from those benchmarks actually

[dense mirage]

Does ue5 have it's own compiler or will that be done with a 3rd party compiler

[median marsh]

and compiling code doesn't take super long on an 8core cpu either if you dont have an massive c++ project

so i don't share their 8 core = bad conclussion

[dense mirage]

Im not learning c++ in the traditional sense

[median marsh]

all it can get

[dense mirage]

Learning it by working with arduino builds

[median marsh]

what's the tradional sense?

[dense mirage]

Reading the c++ for dummies book

😅

[median marsh]

you are late to the party

[dense mirage]

Codecademy, indian men on youtube, books, etc

[median marsh]

pudgets benchmark is a bit outdated and they are aware of that... and after all their advice go towards professionals who buy workstations for their employees

[dense mirage]

That's so considerate

[silent wyvern]

yeah yeah we are all noobs here striving nowhere

[median marsh]

thats their business model

[dense mirage]

What big game dev teams use ue5?

[median marsh]

epic

[dense mirage]

Other than epic, that's a no brainer

[median marsh]

new witcher and tomb raider are using UE5 from what i know

so whoever holds the TR franchise now...

and CD:PR

[dense mirage]

I hate when games get passed to a different company

Mostly just the gears franchise

They should not have done that

God of war was very appreciative and welcoming

[median marsh]

i wasn't disappointed by the square enix tomb raiders

one of the few games that worked perfectly native on linux 😄

[dense mirage]

Square enix NEVER makes bad games

Kingdom hearts series, final fantasy, final fantasy 2, final fantasy 3, final fantasy 4, final fantasy 5, final fantasy 6, final fantasy 7

You get the point

Looking forward to kingdom hearts 4

[median marsh]

"Crystal Dynamics" make the new one, idk who that is (ah they have been involved in the last two, too)

[dense mirage]

I think, judging by the trailer teaser, they're going to be using ue5 for the lighting

Idk who that is either

Yes, kingdom hearts 4 will be made with ue5

The only disappointment is that sora has normal feet now

The tomahawk is what im getting, the pro B650 is a consideration to bring my full build price down a bit with both mobo and case.

[opaque pond]

I meant like it should be able to last a few more years right?

This goes for the entire pc

[dense mirage]

Do you play video games any

Modern titles

Idk what your entire system is but check benchmarks for modern game titles you do plan on playing and see how well your system can perform at your desired specs.

You can also just upgrade to a newish GPU and play at 1440p with high settings if the cpu cant keep up with the gpu

It's still a good cpu, dont get me wrong. But it's time is ending

[opaque pond]

3700x rx 6600 32gb ram

[dense mirage]

You still have plenty of upgrade pathing for your am4 system as well

CPU wise, ram is sufficient.

[opaque pond]

I initially bought this pc expecting to upgrade cpu when the next platform from amd comes out

[dense mirage]

Like, upgrade to am5?

Or upgrade cpu when am5 released

[opaque pond]

AM6

Or whatever

[dense mirage]

It's cheaper for you to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5900X to hold out until am6 releases rather than buying new ram kit and mobo + cpu

[median marsh]

am6 will take some time

[dense mirage]

I think there may be a better am4 cpu than the 9 5900x

[median marsh]

considering that amd probably keeps AM5 for a while

[dense mirage]

Am6 isnt coming till 2025 I think?

Possibly a lil later

[median marsh]

am4 was around for 7 years?

so if you go from the previous cycle you can wait till 2030

[opaque pond]

6

Starting 2017 and ending 2022

So by the same metric I guess 2022 to 2027

[median marsh]

AM4 was launched in September 2016

[opaque pond]

That was with the fx skus

[median marsh]

The platform was launched in September 2022.

[opaque pond]

Don't really count

[median marsh]

ok so exactly 6 years

[dense mirage]

You forget how fast technology is advancing these days

[median marsh]

thats what people already said 10 years ago

[dense mirage]

And look at us now

[median marsh]

xD

[opaque pond]

I can wait for like 4-5 more years probably

[dense mirage]

One core is 20 times faster than a 8 core CPU from 2008

[median marsh]

some still run on 10 year old i7/i9 systems and are fine with them

[median marsh]

no!?

[dense mirage]

Let me believe

Thank you

[median marsh]

then lets make it 100 times faster

so it sounds cooler

[dense mirage]

That's what it feels like

[median marsh]

because it is, right?

[dense mirage]

Not that it actually is the case

Maybe it is with cpus from 1998

[median marsh]

could be possible

[dense mirage]

It is.

[median marsh]

yeah if you take all cores into account

it's even more

[dense mirage]

But single core comparisons is fair

Since k6 is literally 1 core 0 threads

Does it have threads, it doesnt say

[opaque pond]

It has 1

[median marsh]

no

hyperthreading was introduced with pentium 4

so it's one core, single thread

[dense mirage]

That's like 5 years later isnt it

[median marsh]

It was introduced on Xeon server processors in February 2002 and on Pentium 4 desktop processors in November 2002.

[dense mirage]

K6 came in 1997

[opaque pond]

It's rumored that the next generation of amd cpus will have the same performance gap with zen 1 as zen 1 has with FX

[dense mirage]

So yeah 5 years

Woohoo

[opaque pond]

This is insane

[dense mirage]

The 8000 series amd chips?

[opaque pond]

Ye

Or whatever they call them

[dense mirage]

The rumored ones I'm not so sure is a thing yet

[opaque pond]

Zen 5

[dense mirage]

It isnt real until it's on the shelf and I can buy it

Air is real because I breath it, before you mention air

[opaque pond]

Well it's real in a lab somewhere

[dense mirage]

Which is nonexistant to me, I'm not in said lab in taiwan

[median marsh]

maybe you are

in some jar

[dense mirage]

AMD cpus are made in Taiwan tho right

[median marsh]

plugged into the matrix

[dense mirage]

Some univers out there I am

The simulation theory is a joke

[median marsh]

it isn't a joke

[dense mirage]

Who ever programmed Burger King needs to be fired from managing our simulated world

[median marsh]

whoever created weird AI images with 6 fingers should be fired...

[dense mirage]

Are you also suggesting that some higher being also programmed us to do slavery?

[median marsh]

if we are something like generative AI... we still have to learn (which we obviously have for enough other reasons)

[dense mirage]

Which would mean we did nothing wrong, we were programmed to do it so we was just obeying our instructions

Is that what you're saying

[median marsh]

or to reach enlightment

when you reached the point where you aren't a total joke of a human being, you may get released

[dense mirage]

What's enlightenment to a program

But we're not a being

Were a binary string being ordered around the highway of a dimm stick

[median marsh]

yea, they might put your conscious in a dachshund because they ran out of human bodies

[dense mirage]

I wonder what pc specs our creators have to be able to manage 7 billion instances of unique humans at once, plus an entire universe.

Not to mention the millions of animals

The fluid simulations are off the reels

[median marsh]

unreal + mass

[median marsh]

they interpolate their behavior when they arent observed

once you look at them they snap in place

[dense mirage]

Maybe were made to solve ethical problems for the higher beings so they can skip the riots and stuff and just do it

Last 10 years have been a bunch of people fighting for what's ethical

[median marsh]

i doubt that they struggle with that

[dense mirage]

They're technologically advanced

[median marsh]

so you think they lack social skills for that?

[dense mirage]

Yes

[median marsh]

possible

[dense mirage]

They created a simulation of a universe instead of touching grass

What does that tell you

[median marsh]

that its more fun to create a universe than touching grass?

[dense mirage]

Touching grass being implied as being social

choosing to create a universe to play God instead of socializing is weird

[median marsh]

maybe they've been pissed off by all the fighting, riots and what not, that they decided to create their own world without that drama

and now they are confronted with us doing the same shit

[dense mirage]

I wanna meet the developer that decided to give me schizotypal personality disorder

[median marsh]

so... they might shut us down soon

[dense mirage]

Dick move on his part

Good, they can finally pay their energy Bill's on time now

[median marsh]

and we can go in the well deserved extinction

[dense mirage]

Simulation theory is laughable

[median marsh]

can you disproof the theory?

[dense mirage]

Considering we dont have the ability to understand consciousness which is needed for making true AI

Its irrelevant until we can manage to figure out consciousness for true ai

[median marsh]

maybe some people have the ability to understand it

[dense mirage]

Maybe

We'll never know until we make true ai ourselves and run a simulation

[median marsh]

how would you distinguish between a true consciousness ai and a fake one?

if you arent able to understand consciousness

[dense mirage]

Well so far, ai hasn't been able to reprogram itself or anything like that

[median marsh]

is that a trait of consciousness?

[dense mirage]

It isnt self aware

Which is apart of human consciousness

[median marsh]

what if it decided for itself that its best to not tell you that it is

[dense mirage]

We would still be able to see the code change, would we not?

[median marsh]

yes

[dense mirage]

Wouldnt it question its existence upon gaining self awareness

[median marsh]

but do we know how to interprete each code change / path taken in the currently popular gradient models?

[dense mirage]

Wouldnt matter

What human could write such code of which they dont understand

[median marsh]

i'm not saying that they don't understand it

it's just foolish to assume that they do at the moment

it was an what if scenario

[dense mirage]

If it was a considerate AI I'm sure theyd leave comments

[median marsh]

xD

# might fix later, yolo

oh

[dense mirage]

What if scenarios are baseless

Something might happen, something might not happen.

The realm of probability

[dense mirage]

If it can happen it will happen, 70 years later 2 instances of true AI will be having this conversation somewhere in your dimm slots

[median marsh]

no

[dense mirage]

Btw the dimm slots were in are quite cozy

[median marsh]

i probably wont be around in 70 years

[dense mirage]

That's lackluster thinking

[median marsh]

it's hope

[dense mirage]

In 20 years we could probably upload our consciousness into a robot shell and live forever

[median marsh]

yea, have fun with that

[dense mirage]

It's more believable than simulation theory

If that makes you feel better

[median marsh]

i don't say that simulation theory is real, i just lack a disproof of it

which makes it possible

[dense mirage]

Just saying they could've modeled me with a few more inches. I'd like to be taller

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[dense mirage]

Precisely why I want to be taller

Playing as a receiver can only be so short

I peaked in middle school

Damn my designer for making me vertically challenged

So how many cores do you think the pc running our simulation has?

I'm guessing quad the amount that a 4090 has. With their GPU having 1 million cores

[median marsh]

maybe one for each of us

[dense mirage]

They're clearly using a star

For energy

A Dyson sphere

[median marsh]

or they are harvesting the energy from us

like the car battery in rick and morty

[dense mirage]

They're obviously a civilization type 7

Stars are more efficient

They last for billions of years

The rick and morty battery last as long as the civilization inside makes their own universe power battery

[median marsh]

depends on how the outside harvests the energy

if the internal universe found an efficienter way of producing the energy, then it wont change the production for the outer universe

[dense mirage]

That would also be a perpetual motion machine that has a fully closed system

That's 100% efficient

Which is impossible

[median marsh]

in this universes physics, yea

[dense mirage]

If they created us they also created us with their worlds laws of physics

[median marsh]

sure?

maybe they wanna see us struggle a bit

and give us a challenge

a purpose

[tardy turtle]

monopole magnets

[dense mirage]

Why would they do that if theyre using us as a battery they rely on

[median marsh]

idk, and my cpu time for today is exhausted

so i gotta take care of other things

[dense mirage]

Your brain is a more of a MCU than a cpu

[plush turret]

whats the difference between these other than graphics?

[tardy turtle]

The K has a built in intel GPU

[plush turret]

so the KF requires a graphics card?

[tardy turtle]

yes

I wouldn't use the built-in one for UE though, best to get a proper GPU along with it

I just got the 12700KF - I couldn't think of any reason I'd need the built-in GPU

[plush turret]

tbh i plan to get a gpu, but its nice to know if something goes wrong i can at least still use my computer for $25

vs having to buy another GPU

also i found this in another game server:

also looking at a GPU how can i tell what type is it and how old it is?

i found one in on of my A.S. boxes and it has no "case"

just a fan and HDMI + white D port

[tardy turtle]

That card is from around 2007 and has a 256MB ATI Radeon HD 3450 chip - the built-in card will be a lot more powerful than that 😆

you'll probably want to look at something like an entry level nVidia or AMD Radian card - you can pick them up 2nd hand fairly cheap.

[plush turret]

oh i know still its fun to go through my old cases

dad was an electrical engineer so i have a whole walk in closet just filled with anti static hard cases from the 90's filled with all manner of parts

[tardy turtle]

yeah I like going through HW like that too - it's like taking a stroll down memory lane.

[plush turret]

i have a 5 liter box filled with nothing but floppy drives

another has IDE HDD's from 2gb to 64gb

[tardy turtle]

lol - may be hard to find a use for them these days!

[plush turret]

except in keeping the craptops and old rigs alive to play old 16 bit games

[tardy turtle]

nice! that is a good reason!

[plush turret]

i have at least a decent sized office

is there any way to see how much power my desktop is pulling currently?

[plush turret]

i also use floppy disks for windows physical security keys

[tardy turtle]

there may be an option in your BIOS that displays power usage and temperatures - the best way though is to get one of those wall-plug power monitors - they're pretty cheap and give the complete power usage.

[plush turret]

since no one has readers for them like AT ALL, they make solid keys

[tardy turtle]

I still have 3.5 and 5.25 inch drives - I couldn't throw them away 😆 I have no disks though...

[plush turret]

this? https://www.amazon.com/Suraielec-Calculator-Protection-Electricity-Electrical/dp/B08GSPLZBN

[tardy turtle]

perfect

[plush turret]

i have 3,840 floppy disks in a case, i have no clue why or where i got so many, but they are sorted into .5, 1, 1.5, 2, and 2.5mb sizes

i also have 3 floppies in the 3.5mb range that are formatted to bring windows xp home to SP3

[tardy turtle]

yikes that's a lot!

[plush turret]

looks like this: but in a big box:

totally random google image cause i dont wanna go find the keys to that case

every case as a unique key lock

jingle fcking jangle

[tardy turtle]

yeah back in the day I had drawers and drawers full, I collected Amiga demos and boot loaders etc - each with a printed label and it's own place

[plush turret]

lol

i also have a RAID tower, not box a whole freaking tower, with space for like 68 SATA drives

dads work was throwing it out in favor of a legit server tower
so now i have 37.25 TB of RAID in a tower in the closet that i haul out for backups

[tardy turtle]

that sounds really useful!

[plush turret]

it is except for the amount of work needed to get a 220v outlet into the office

thing has like 6 cords and only one of them is USB, the others are something else

and the USB is 2.0

with 33 drives that all have differing sizes and read/write speeds

like half are laptop hard drives

tewmpted to formate and sell the thing, someone has to want something like that

its manual said its rated for 128tb (though idk why theres a max limit)

[tardy turtle]

That would probably draw a fair bit of current when it starts up too.

[plush turret]

yeah theres an entire bank of capacitors

i forget the exact rating but its like up to 3x what the big one in a microwave can store/release

[tardy turtle]

ouch! you could use them as a spot-welder

[silent wyvern]

Why 3090 power draw is 350W and 4070 is 200W?

Or even 4070 Ti draws 285W

Is 3090 that powerfull?

[tardy turtle]

the Lovelace (4000 series) chipset uses much less power

[plush turret]

yeah tbh i like the idea of a backup integrated graphics since its gonna be months between core of the computer and the GPU

and $25 more for the ability to work/play on my computer is nice in addition to the redundancy

[silent wyvern]

then it's better to buy 4000 series

[plush turret]

yes

from a performance point

[silent wyvern]

as well as power consumption point

[plush turret]

thats included in performance

[tardy turtle]

another option is a Radeon 7900 xt - they draw about 300w and perform almost as well as a 3090 - in some situations they out-perform them. And they're cheaper

[gleaming ingot]

Hey guys i have a question

I have a 1660 super, 1600 af, 16gb ram, 1tb nvme ssd. Can i successfully develop games in Unreal or are my specs too low?

[trim brook]

Should be fine to start with. Depends on how big your game gets and how well you manage your project's content

[gleaming ingot]

Hmm i see

What is global illumination btw

Never heard of it

Ahh okay i see. With that setting disabled can i still expect higher graphics than Unity?

Sweet cause thats one of the biggest reasons im going to move to Unreal

Okay ill take a look ty

Oh lol its ur post too

R u a moderator?

Ahh okay so just a verified user?

I assume u've used Unity before

What one do u prefer

[plush turret]

I have, i switched to unreal and godot for development

Use godot for 2d stuff, unreal for 3d

[silent wyvern]

What’s better and more future-proof: 4060Ti 16GB or 4070 12GB?

[hardy marten]

4070 easily

https://www.pcguide.com/gpu/rtx-4060-vs-rtx-4070/#:~:text=Future-proofing your,the extra investment.

in short, it's a 4070 because it has more processing cores

and a better RAM type (GDDR6 vs GDDR6X)

[hardy marten]

I prefer Unreal

[silent wyvern]

I checked with bottleneck calculator that 5950x and 4070 is good match

Are there any AMD GPUs that can rival 4070 in performance, power draw, price etc

[spice girder]

in short Neither of them. The 460ti 16gb is to expencive and has note enough power for the price and the 4070 has not enough vram. I would wait for the amd rx 7800xt which will release in like 2 weeks.

[spice girder]

for 1080p or 1440p?

[silent wyvern]

1440

Unreal has no issues with AMD GPUs?

[hardy marten]

can you link it here?

[hardy marten]

nope, I'm using an RX 580 rn

no issues

[silent wyvern]

https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/

[hardy marten]

from the both of them, a 4070 is better

[spice girder]

you probably want 16gb of vram. if you plan on playing some games. And more vram then you need is better then having not enough

[hardy marten]

RX won't have DLSS and RT

and people want DLSS

[spice girder]

it is better, but I wouldn't buy a gpu for that price with less then 16gb of vram.

[silent wyvern]

I spend a lot of times in Unreal than playing games

[spice girder]

you are the only on that knows you vram usage

[hardy marten]

I have an RTX 4070 in transit, I chose it because I've never had VRAM issues with my 8GB RX 580

so +4GB is pretty good

[silent wyvern]

I don’t identify myself as people. I’m two spirited penguin

[hardy marten]

yeah but you're a game dev selling to people, right?

[silent wyvern]

I’m joking

Also I’m a goat

[silent wyvern]

Yea I sell games

[silent wyvern]

How much did you pay for your 4070?

[spice girder]

the amd rx 7800xt will release on 06. Spttember so I would wait till reviews and benchmarks are out and buy the better of the two.

[hardy marten]

yeah, I figured

[hardy marten]

66k INR, I can't calculate how many dollars that is rn

[hardy marten]

I'm desperate to play Starfield on launch day so I just got whatever I can while the stuff is still relatively cheaper and in-stock

[silent wyvern]

Omg $800

[wanton hollow]

I really got confused about which gpu I have to buy
I have i5 13600k
Idk what to buy for game development.
I can buy these GPUs
4070TI , 3090 , 3080TI , 4070 , 6900XT , 3070TI , 4060TI (16GB)
atm I can buy the 6900XT or 4060TI (16GB) or 3070ti
for Others it will take a while.

[wanton hollow]

maybe I can buy the 4070 or the 3080ti too

I confused about this to :
More Vram or More performance?

also the more vram let us to do what

also the more performance is for what

performance is for fps right?

[silent wyvern]

For me 4070 seems better performance, power efficiency wise

I didn’t say it’s one thing

Read super carefully

[hardy marten]

yeahhh

all tech that ain't mobile phones and home appliances are crazy expensive here