hardware

[median marsh]

and what they buy from them might have different quality....

[plush turret]

hm

i cant seem to find any via amazon (i have free amazon prime cause i got disabled by an amazon driver)

im assuming these are good? https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-2x32GB-4800MHz-Desktop-CT2K32G48C40U5/dp/B09HW6ZJV5/?th=1

or is 4800mhz bad?

[median marsh]

i'm not familiar with DDR5 speeds

what companies like G.Skill/Corsair/Teamgroup and whatnot also do is that they overclock the memory, which may decrease lifetime, and the temperature range in which they operate without issues (which is why they try to conquer it with heatsinks)

[plush turret]

more power more speed, but more risk of failure

[median marsh]

exactly, the real question is if you NEED that speed as it's not something you would recognize most of the time

[plush turret]

yeah

so its down to $154 ram sticks or $230

[mighty cosmos]

Can't go wrong with Corsair, some of the best ram sticks and PSUs are theirs

[median marsh]

which is the $230 sticks?

[plush turret]

5600mhz

[median marsh]

ah i see

well, crucial also has faster ones

i would rather trust them (or samsung/skhynx) than anyone else 😄

since they produce the actual dram chips

[plush turret]

my MB says rated 4 DIMM, dual channel DDR5-6400mhz (oc)

[plush turret]

have a coasair case, psu, and i guess a ram stick wouldnt be as bad

is there a difference between "vengance" and "dominator" titled?

the doms are $30 more but dont seem to be that different?

im assuming since im going i7 i should pick the first one?

should i go 96gb ram or stay 64, its only $100 more for 96

i also plan to be using blender and such a lot

made this with my old MX250

not bad for an entry level budget laptop

[mighty cosmos]

Dominator is a more premium option, usually comes with a larger heat spreader

[plush turret]

ah, yeah dont think i need that as much, the case has really good airflow external and internal

but am i going to use my ram enough to get 96 overr 64 gb

[wild hill]

Yes yes, so avoid Samsung Pro series I guess.

[median marsh]

xD

the bug IS FIXED

i would be cautious with buying an used one without getting a SMART report, but a brand new one is fine

[wild hill]

Bug is fixed, but it could be an old batch SSD when we purchase them.

[median marsh]

then check the firmware, or install their magician crapware to do it for you

[plush turret]

Well i do like the idea of having a really powerful fan

[plush turret]

I wonder if ill need the trackball again to install windows on my new computer

I have one of those ancient literal trackball mice, big red plastic ball and 2 small buttons

For some reason when installing windows on my last few builds usb mice didn't want to work, but that and its green connector seemed to work

[fresh fog]

Damn you really have a vendetta against Samsung 🤣

[median marsh]

well, i can understand your frustration, did they actually replace it after all?

[fallen oasis]

Being treated like an idiot?

[median marsh]

nah, i'm an idiot and used to that

and glad that you guys treat me like one, otherwise i would understand nothing 😄

and i guess you tested on another mainboard/machine to be sure that it's the SSD and not an connector issue?

yea well then thats indeed quite the reason to be pissed about them

[timber cobalt]

Hey, I would love to have a second opinion about that.

I want to buy a second-hand notebook to work with.
I have a high-end-ish PC that I am using to work, but sometimes I have to work elsewhere. So that would be more like a supporting machine.

I found two candidate:

• i7-9750h, RTX2070 8GB, 16 GB RAM 2666mhz, double m2 ssd slot, 1080p screen
• R9 5900h, 3050 4gb, 16 GB RAM 3200mhz , single m2 ssd slot, 1440p screen

So one of it has beefy CPU, but not so beefy GPU.

I am working with shaders a lot, so the R9 would be really nice for the compiles, also newer architecture. But the 4gb VRAM with the 3050 is, meh a bit.
But again, if I have to work on GPU heavy stuff, I still have my PC.

[fresh fog]

If you have internet access with the notebook it might be worth just using it to connect to the pc via some remote access software

[timber cobalt]

Actually that is an alternative as well. I have a Parsec set up on my PC, just sometimes the connection was wonky, so I decided to buy a notebook that is good for work as well

[fresh fog]

That 4gb vram laptop is going to be very not fun

[timber cobalt]

yeah, that is my concern as well.
But muh corez/threadz

"good for work"
Right now I have a 2015 Macbook Air, as a laptop, so it is unusable for work, at least these would be usable, although not comfortable.

But yeah, "good" is a strong word in that case

if the budget could be 3 times more, I could get a decent laptop, but right now I can't really justify to spend that much money on it, when 90% of the time I would use my PC

that is fair

[opaque pond]

i use a laptop without dedicated vram

and its somewhat ok

[plush turret]

@timber cobalt most stores that sell computers have an "out of box" shelf, people who returned the rig, and it checked out.

Got my budget gaming laptop for $860 (sell price of 1499) and it ran fine for 6 years. All that was missing was the paperwork like the manual and the warranty that should be in the box

[timber cobalt]

Sadly I have yet to see decent discounts for something like that in my country

Last time I tried to buy an "new, but opened once" mainboard for cheaper, and I got the mainboard wrapped literally in saran wrap and without any accessories.

[plush turret]

yeah it can be a crapshoot

[timber cobalt]

but yeah, worth to look around

[timber cobalt]

Unfortunately getting a notebook from US would not be feasible :/

I would love to have something like that in my area :D

[plush turret]

im assuming my new cosair PCU will fit my new corsair chassis?

[tame falcon]

why recently have my pc fans been shooting right up whenever unreal window is focused, its been doing this a bit for some games too but unreal is particularly bad, its worse than usual and quite suddenly

someone suggested it could be dust buildup, but I opened up my pc and its hardly got any, and as I said this is only pretty recently

I dont think anything is even going much slower, just the fans getting really loud

[plush turret]

how old are the fans?

i know i lost a few fans in my old rig to just age, but those things were 20 something years old

one just flat out exploded in the case, 2 simply started grinding their berrings

the exploded one hurt the most cause it scared the crap out of my cat

who at the time was laying in my lap

is this slower or the same speed (write/read) as an m2? https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-870-QVO-SATA-MZ-77Q4T0B/dp/B089C5P5SX

[plush turret]

cheaper isnt the issue, reliability and not waiting are

[wind egret]

SATA is much slower than M.2 can be. Bonus: There are M.2 SATA drives that let you combine the slow speed of SATA with the obnoxious placement of the M.2 connector (motherboard support required ofc).

[plush turret]

my MB has 4 m2 connectors

[cursive light]

Hi all! I am fairly new to UE and I'm not too familiar with hardware so I feel like this is a silly question but I'm feeling a bit lost. I'm sorry if this isn't the right room for this. My Video Memory is exhausted when running my project. I believe this is my VRAM being all used? From what I can tell the only way to increase my VRAM is buying a better Graphics card (currently have an RTX 2060, 6GB VRAM). Is there any recommendations anyone can give on any short term/long term solutions? All help would be greatly appreciated!! Hope you are all having a good day : )

[median marsh]

check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk3W8Zhahdg

and yeah if optimization isn't the solution for you and you just need more VRAM then a new GPU is adviced (for UE i wouldn't recommend anything below 12GB VRAM, unless you only work on small projects or with low texture resolutions)

[plush turret]

i work almost exclusively with stylized/low poly atm

my gpu currently doesnt exist so yeah

[cursive light]

Awesome thank you so much! Yea I am just getting into ArchVis and photorealism rendering so an upgrade is definitely on the horizon. Thank you for the recommendation! I will watch the video for short-term fixes and do some research on the best bang for my buck with the upgrade. While I'm here, is there anything else I should be careful of/consider when upgrading for this type of stuff?

[median marsh]

don't cheap out on 12GB if you can afford a 16GB or even 24GB card 😄

[cursive light]

Damn alright. I will see what I can manage on my budget haha, thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it : )

[median marsh]

but even the 3060 (non ti) with 12GB is worth considering, probably the best budget card for UE

[cursive light]

Amazing! That will be a perfect place to start. You are amazing

[plush turret]

im saving for a 4090 myself but then i have a steady confirmed month to month income so i can plan

[mighty cosmos]

If you can afford it, the 4090 is a GPU you won't be disappointed with 😅

I can tell you that much

[plush turret]

only take about 8 months to save for it

assuming i dont pick up a side job

only things with more VRAM are industrial GPU's

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-VCQRTX8000-PB-NVIDIA-Quadro-Graphic/dp/B07NH3HKG9

i mean lets go entire dedicated 20 amp breaker

my office has one

we redid the wiring in here to include a single 220v and 2 110v outlets on a dedicated 20 amp breaker

my office is 12 foot x 12 foot

not yet

but thats going in the "4 car" garage

its like 2 x 2 cars in size

and i drive a prius

i have 600 square feet of garage i can use for Mocap

the quadro has ports for daisy chaining 2 of them into 1

96gb vram

renders rtx in 8k cause why not

tbh power usage isnt that much of a concern

we have 10 acres, and enough solar panels for zero outside energy usage even during peak times with 20% overage

interesting enough you get better FPS from the 3090 than the much larger 8000

[mighty cosmos]

they are mostly meant for number crunching like AI, they would absolutely suck for gaming

Well not just AI but you get the point

[plush turret]

industrial, theyd be great for rendering the games we make but suck at playing them

size and threads vs power and speed

[hollow flicker]

Hello, I’m currently building a pc for UE5 use (+ Gaming) And I am trying to decide between a few CPUs, I’m not quite sure how much of a difference I will be noticing (in terms of time and smoothness) between them. The CPUs I’m trying to decide between is a 13700k vs 13900k/7950x. I’m just not quite sure how much of a difference I will notice between a 13700k and the higher end parts.

[hollow flicker]

Yeah I have seen that, but as someone moderately new to UE5 I’m not quite sure how much the 15% increased speed will help (how much time will be saved, I’m just not sure how much time I will actually be spending on the CPU side of things) also I don’t care much for platform longevity.

Personally how much of a difference in workflow do you think it would make to go with a higher end CPU?

I’m a solo dev so pretty much everything lol

I already have a 4080, and have already decided on 64gb of either 6000 or 6400 ram (depends if intel or amd it’s like 5$ difference.) so I’m mostly deciding on the cpu

I’m looking into making a 3d survival/ action adventure game.

Oh sorry, I’m looking at a mostly realistic but also my own art style.

Yeah ok.

How much actual time will be saved from a higher end cpu though?

Ok, how much time does compiling code take up? (Like on average for each script/blueprint how long will it take)

And with scripts?

Yeah alright thanks. So far it seems a 13700k will be the best for my use case .

[median marsh]

should i invest 1200euro in a 3090TI ;/ i dont really need the performance but the vram would be awesome

a 4090 would be 400euro more, so i'm not sure if the price is reasonable for a 3090TI

well i want cuda for AI stuff, too

yea no thanks 😄

its ~200euro difference for 7900XTX vs the 3090TI

in that price range, thats not thaat much to sacrifice cuda 😄

i would probably powerlimit it

and i think on linux i wont even get close to what windows users experience since i cant even use RTX really

quadro p5000 has 16GB and is 1000euro, so around 7900XTX price

24gb P6000 is >2k

so a consumer card might still be the best choice

i'm just really undecided about paying that much money on a last gen gpu, even if i know that it will be way better than my 3060 😄

[hollow flicker]

Isn’t CUDA also a lot better in rendering + UE5 in general? (Most productivity things are orientated around CUDA?)

[median marsh]

UE doesnt use cuda at all

[hollow flicker]

Yeah, I meant rendering in general.

[median marsh]

me neither, those times are over

specially since blender got eevee

but where do i get my cubes from?

i was kidding 😄 (about the cubes, but blender still has it's use)

[hollow flicker]

Here: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24gb-content-creation-review/ under the “Unreal engine” section is a comparison between 7900xtx and a 3090

[median marsh]

and theres one with pivot at the bottom and one with pivot in the center

i already cheated on team blue

i cant cheat on team green with red again

[hollow flicker]

Hey, I’m also interested in AI and UE5, for both of these what IDE will you use? (I understand that Rider/VS is best for UE5 and VSC/Pycharm and a few others are best for AI)

Would you recommend two separate IDE’s or trying to find one for both.

[median marsh]

last time i used VS was 20 years ago, so i have no idea which is better

i'm using JetBrains stuff for everything, they do their job

[hollow flicker]

And for UE5?

[median marsh]

specially for UE, i don't touch python with a 100 yard stick

and most people aren't aware that jetbrains licenses are perpetual, so after you paid for a year you own that version forever

[hollow flicker]

Isn’t VS just about C# and C++, while VSC has support for all languages? And isn’t Rider more designed for U?

[median marsh]

didn't the whole UE support come from jetbrains for VS? 😄

[hollow flicker]

Oops I meant UE5

[median marsh]

wait that thing costs the same as rider?

so it's not even a price choice

[mighty cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shock-shocking-omg-omg-meme-gif-26225226

[plush turret]

Could i physically fit a 4090 and 4060 on an ATX mb? Assuming i have the power budget to run both

[mighty cosmos]

Wouldn't recommend dual gpus with a 4090, you end up with less than a cm between them, the top gpu is gonna choke and tempe are gonna be very high

If you must have 2, the only solution is water-cooled gpus

Well if you don't want your 4090 slowly cooking itself alive

I feel like a single 4090 should have more than enough display ports for anyone sane 😅

[plush turret]

im just curious

hawks doing 3

and then his laptop and media desktop off to the side

good thing i did that electrical work on my office

2 dedicated outlets on a single 20 amp breaker

[plush turret]

monitors

so my new desktop doesnt trip the entire room if its drawing a lot

as well as putting an APC battery backup to help prevent issues in case of brownout like the storm we had a few years ago

i can at least shut the thing down properly while the backup screams

at least i found my desired speakers, old tech best tech

and i found the monitor i want: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C3Z74ZP5/

[fallen oasis]

Not gsync, though

[plush turret]

hm

also for fans is fluid dynamic or hydraulic quieter

[fallen oasis]

There are various levels of freesync, though, and actual gysnc is still better than the best.

And not all freesync is gysnc compatible.

Case in point: my monitor!

But what does that even do? What is the technical difference between full gsync support and being compatible and using vesa adaptive sync?

I remember reading up on this back in the day and it saying that gsync was basically the gold standard and anything that isn't fully gsync is worse.

Even if it's compatible, it's still going to be worse.

Whether that actually makes a difference is another question.

[mighty cosmos]

I personally dislike using gsync, it introduces latency, it's only worth it if you are getting frame rate that's about half of your max refresh rate
I have it disabled

[opaque pond]

is there a way to prevent hdmi from losing connection ?

like if i barely touch the laptop it loses connection for a sec or 2

[fallen oasis]

You might just have a faulty plug that is loose.

Or faulty wiring. Etc.

could

(most probably is)

Duct tape the lead in place!

[plush turret]

my scrappers are duct tape and literal baling wire

[fallen oasis]

You could always gets an external mouse and keyboard so you don't actually have to touch the laptop.

[plush turret]

i havent used laptop keyboard unless im running into mcdolands for their stupidly fast wifi and i dont bring my charger setup

[opaque pond]

tho if i hold the hdmi cable down it doesnt happen

[plush turret]

so tape the cable to your table

i mean my cable management is plumbing parts

[fallen oasis]

Why are you using an hdmi cable at a cafe with a laptop?

Did I miss the memo where laptops don't get their own screens any more?

[plush turret]

maybe theior screen broke?

[fallen oasis]

How do you even take a monitor to a cafe? Wouldn't that be a bit unwieldy?

[plush turret]

it happened to me, i dropped my old laptop (it stills works today BTW) and the LCD broke

depends on the monitor size

[fallen oasis]

Mabye duct take the monitor to the laptop...

[plush turret]

i have an 11 inch trucking monitor

has a rechargable battery too

its really a tv but i use it when i need a second monitor on the go

[fallen oasis]

Sounds nice!

Like a little tablet.

[plush turret]

Yep with a stand and gets cbs

[scenic schooner]

Hi wonderful people!

Parsec or team viewer? I want to play test my game and edit it off a iPad Pro and/or apple m1 MacBook Pro

Is there something better than parsec/tea viewer? What should I be aware of, source pc has a monster cpu and 4090 gpu, just want to work remotely on my portable apple systems

Assuming I have a good internet connection what Remote Desktop software works the best with unreal- pc to apple?

[plush turret]

Have never had good luck rmote working pc and apple

[timber cobalt]

My older macbook air worked really well with parsec

Also sometimes I used parsec to connect to my pc to control it meanwhile it streamed the game to steamlink.

[plush turret]

I still have the physical steam link device

[silent wyvern]

Hi guys

I'm thinking of buying 4TB M2 SSD

Is it better to buy 2 pieces of 2TB SSD or 1x 4TB?

[wind egret]

Considerably more expensive and requires 2 M.2 slots or less expensive and requires 1 SATA + SATA power connector.
Or is that a question of 1 SSD vs 2 SSDs

[silent wyvern]

yes. 2x 2TB vs 1x 4TB

[silent wyvern]

thanks

Samsung M2 980 has no 4TB option 😞

only 2TB

well, it's reliable I read on reviews

what's wrong with Samsung?

and what do you use yourself?

ok

I have 500GB Samsung SSD. 3 years and working fine

[fallen oasis]

And you still have space?

[silent wyvern]

I have another 256GB SSD but I'm struggling

I think 4TB will be best for UE

[fallen oasis]

Indeed.

[silent wyvern]

4TB M.2 and 4TB HDD for backups, assets and other stuffs

[silent wyvern]

I was thinking of 2TB HDD at first 😅

as I wrote for assets and backups

It was in case SSD dies. I save backup in the cloud once a month

Azure is free for unlimited space?

also 6TB is nothing to UE projects

I didn't come up myself. I read a lot people advising HDD for backups. It's good option in my case. Cuz internet is really not great in my country

yeah it is an extra backup.

What's your SSD capacity?

[silent wyvern]

that's good.

actually

[plush turret]

I have 500gb. And a 32tb hdd raid box

Which spends 99% of its life in a fireproof safe

[frank glade]

Is it floodproof too?

[silent wyvern]

so raid box is a protection box?

oh..

[tardy turtle]

a really cheap way of making backups (I go with local HDD BU as well) is just to use external drives, I've got a 3 2TB externals and I rotate backing up onto them - they get distributed around my friends - they do the same and I keep a BU drive of theirs here... Internet and cloud is not always an option for slow connections.

[plush turret]

screams in 0.045mb/s upload speed

[frank glade]

But for people with a fast connection you can get like 10 years of onedrive for the cost of a rack, nas and hdds and all that

[silent wyvern]

what's BU?

[tardy turtle]

BU=backup

[tardy turtle]

yeah, I just switched to a better connection so have started using DropBox more

[silent wyvern]

Can external HDD be connected to PC and Mac simultaneously?

[tardy turtle]

You can connect to one and network share it

[silent wyvern]

It's like common storage for moving projects between PC and Mac

[tardy turtle]

yeah they're compatible - Mac can read FAT32 partitions

[sweet seal]

Hello guys,
I'm relatively new here, but I've been interested in Unreal for quite a while. I want to dive deep into the soft and learn Unreal as much as possible. However, I don't have a suitable PC for that. I'm not sure what I want to do in Unreal, but most likely work in game dev and film production. I'm building a PC now, but have a relatively small budget. Could you please advise the best suiting option for like 800EUR just to get started and be able to earn some money with it? I'm thinking about rtx 3060 12 or 4060 in terms of GPU. Would be happy to consider your thoughts. Thank you!

[fallen oasis]

The 3060 with 12gb of vram will probably suit you better.

Try to get as much second hand stuff as possible, I guess.

Ideally you want to spend 5x that on a PC for UE.

And don't even think about laptops!

[sweet seal]

thanx, mate! I was thinking smth about 3060 + some ryzen 5 or 7 +32 ram. and I don't consider laptops at all, tnx! what CPU would you recommend?

[fallen oasis]

An entry level 7 series will probably do you.

[median marsh]

that's not even a baaad system to start with then

[sweet seal]

And if I would have potentially more budget for GPU, should I go for some ti versions or 2080 for example? Also, is GPU more important for Unreal than CPU? I mean, of course, they should work in harmony, but perhaps I should spend more on GPU rather than on CPU

[median marsh]

depends on how you want to use UE, i'm working with UE for 3-4 years now and use a 3060 and it's sufficient for most things

it gets the job done for an (now) affordable price

[sweet seal]

can u share your set up pls? what power supply do you use (how much WT)

[median marsh]

imho any extra budget is better spent elsewhere, e.g. more memory and more fast SSD space

650W which is for an 3060 way to much tho

and 5950x ryzen

the whole system barely pulls 300W from the plug under load

[fallen oasis]

Wouldn't a low end 7 series be better budget/performance than a 5950?

[median marsh]

i think a 5950x is overkill for most things (only wrote that because he asked for my specs)

i only use most cores because i write some multi threaded stuff which is poorly optimized 😄

[sweet seal]

got it, tnx! can I consider somrthing like ryzen 5 3600 or more like Ryzen 5 5600 or Ryzen 7 5800X?

[median marsh]

i was about to suggest an used 5800x...

[sweet seal]

as far as I got the idea, the more cores the better. but I should consider performance in one core mode or multiple?

[median marsh]

i guess you'll have more single thread than multi thread load

unless you write tons of c++ code...

or compile the engine every day

so single thread performance is more important (imho)

but nowadays i wouldn't go below 8 cores / 16 threads for dev work

[sweet seal]

understood, tnx! and what about OC GPU? can I carefully do that for better performance?"

[median marsh]

i wouldnt do it

you can do whatever you want 😄 (at your own risk)

if you go film route, you use MRQ probably, which with a slower GPU only takes longer, and 10% overclocking for an hour job will only make it 6 minutes faster, nothing i would risk my gpu for

[sweet seal]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-oh-worried-emoji-drama-gif-24999384

[silent wyvern]

3060 and 5950x is a bad pair?

[wild hill]

Could be a budget build.

[boreal summit]

Hi I was hoping I could hear the opinions of anyone that's used a new AMD gpu for UE5 development. I'm thinking about using a 7900xt but not sure if recent AMD cards are reliable enough.

[mighty cosmos]

I'm currently on a 4090 but I've used the 6900xt without issues for like a year so I would imagine there wouldn't be any issues with 7x series either

I'll make sure to use it wisely

[opaque pond]

4060ti 16gb opinion?

Well tho how much more power does that draw?

The 6800xt is more

[boreal summit]

Is AMD worth the switch in your opinion? If I don't get the 7900 xt I'll get a 4070 ti.

[mighty cosmos]

if you are debating between the 4070ti and 7900xt, the 7900xt is 100% the one to get

[plush turret]

why i want my new core rig:

when a single core is better than the entire cpu you currently have

[frank glade]

Fyi 13600k is faster than the 12700k

[plush turret]

Already have the motherboard

[frank glade]

Update your bios, don't lose out on performance

14th gen refresh also coming out soon

[plush turret]

But... why do i need to spend more money on marginally better results?

[frank glade]

Depends on your region I guess but 13600k is cheaper here

[brittle wyvern]

hi

what version of Engine should i start out for basic video production with my specs

[plush turret]

Less than 280 usd?

[frank glade]

Actually yes, cheapest is 270 💰

[timber cobalt]

ue4 maximum

but probably it wont be enjoyable sometimes

[silent wyvern]

Can’t imagine what would be minimum. Unity? 😂

[timber cobalt]

Godot

fair points

[fresh fog]

you arent going to have a fun time with those specs

[sick cedar]

The windows stats lector anyway kinda funky related to the GPU

[timber cobalt]

Oh, I stand corrected :D

[fallen oasis]

Is that even worse than ark?

Ah.

Ark is limited to about 30, right? 😄

Does look neat.

[opaque pond]

CB?

ah

[lethal leaf]

has anyone else noticed this trend where hardware thats capable of RGB lighting has become cheaper than hardware without any RGB lighting?

or maybe this is a trend in my country only 🤔

for example if I want to get a mouse, normal looking non RGB mouses (mice?) are more expensive, keyboards too and especially PC cases

yea but thats my problem, I also want whatever is cheapest, but the cheapest is always something with RGB lighting which I also dont want, my room looks like a circus attraction already as is

does this actually work for everything?

hmm interesting, I wish I knew about this when I bought my 3700x, even its stock AMD cooler has RGB lighting ffs

[rocky briar]

wtf, i've never seen rgb on a stock cooler xD

but I can imagine it attracts more kids and makes them choose this over intel i guess

[rocky briar]

I've always used separate radiators for cooling, these stock ones are usually meh, only used them if I wanted to test something quickly

hmm, do you pay extra so that your amd processor comes with prism or how does it work?

[lethal leaf]

funny, when I bought my old 3700x years ago I didn't even know it was RGB, imagine my surprise when I boot it up and that thing lights up

[median marsh]

depends on what kind of weird pricing your vendors have

[lethal leaf]

yep it was this one, wraith prism

[median marsh]

sometimes the boxed solution is cheaper than bulk for some reason

[lethal leaf]

can confirm, it was more than the enough for the 3700x, when I bought the 5950x I had do ditch it though, CPU was constantly overheating, couldn't do much, just opening the UE editor caused it to go to 90Cº

I dont think air coolers are long for this world honestly

yea I heard 13900k goes crazy, I dont think I'd ever use it with an air cooler

[median marsh]

wonder how that works out on you 😄

god damn, chill

[lethal leaf]

I got an nh-d15 for my 5950x and its working really well, its the best air cooler there is

I also did buy liquid metal though

[rocky briar]

I was looking at 13900K, but now there are some better options i think, Im not changing my pc yet but am planning to do it by the end of the year, anything that's worth looking at?

[lethal leaf]

it is a bit yea, but not really an issue, it has a good mount

[rocky briar]

will see, thanks

[lethal leaf]

the only thing that I dislike about the nh-d15 is just the size, caused me to get a pretty big case

[opaque pond]

is there a way to fix the gpu crash issue?

[median marsh]

which

[rocky briar]

what gpu do you have?

[median marsh]

picks top shelf hardware ... gets best computer she ever had

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[rocky briar]

if you pick top shelf hardware now, your pc may stay up to day for maybe even 2 months, its a good deal

[median marsh]

so did i with an overpriced 3060 😭

and now i can't even upgrade because the whole stuff is still overpriced

[lethal leaf]

yea my previous case was also alot smaller, I preferred it to the current one I have, but small is just bad for airflow, causes high temps, my PC is also in a pretty bad place where only the front and back are clear, the sides and top are blocked unfortunately

[median marsh]

i was just happy to get a case without any 5 1/4" clutter

makes it a bit shorter and organized

[lethal leaf]

and are what the temps?

hmm not too bad I guess

I'm guessing its not too hot where you live

oh for sure I cant really live without AC anymore either, where I live I get the most extreme of both ends, on winter its extremely cold and on summer unbelievably hot

wasn't like this 2 or 3 years ago, but that is the way now

[median marsh]

you're just getting old

[lethal leaf]

maybe that too 😄

[plush turret]

13th gen cpu has power and cooling issues yet i get told i should get one anyways because its more powerful than the tame 12th gen

still think gonna stick with my 12700

and dont i need to fiddle with the bios? tbh i dont trust myself not to fuck it up

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KKYXXQB?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

i have this but no clue if it supports whats needed for a 13th gen

there is a bios button that doesnt exist on any of my other motherboards

"flash bios button"

wait we have the same MB?

i bought it on the 2nd

how big a flashdrive?

ok good

i have a 256 mb flash drive that is empty, so ye, most of the rest of mine have stuff on them

[median marsh]

probably runs the superior OS windows to flash your bios

[plush turret]

yeah i mean even win 10 needs like 8gb of disk space

which.... given the size and cheapness of 8gb thumb drives wouldnt be that hard

[opaque pond]

Ok so I can't figure out the issue

It doesn't happen on the laptop tho

[plush turret]

yeah

[frank glade]

and I paid 15E to have the shop do it for my MB (no bios flashback)

[plush turret]

pretty sure best buy will do it, plus if they break it they replace it

[plush turret]

How do i check if my mb has flashback

[sinful thicket]

https://wccftech.com/disabling-intel-e-cores-hybrid-cpu-50-percent-better-performance-atlas-fallen/

To anyone saying Windows 11 fixes e-core scheduling, it doesn't. Just a heads up.

[median marsh]

how did they calculate 50%?

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[mighty cosmos]

I can almost bet it has to do with these games manually setting thread affinity and pinning the thread to a slower core unintentionally

it very much sounds like it, or thread priority since it's a direct hint to the scheduler

Considering this is a very much isolated issue to a few cases it sounds like it's 1 of those 2 possible cases

[frank glade]

"Atlas Fallen Unable to Distinguish Between P-Cores & E-Cores On Intel Hybrid CPUs"

[frigid heath]

ill mine shitcoins to make all cores run like trash

recommended sys req 2x 4090ti and threadripper

[fresh fog]

Only 2 4090's? That's cute. Mine needs 4 A6000's.

I actually have no idea if those are even good for mining 🤣🤣

[frigid heath]

me neither

[fresh fog]

Never really cared about it too much. Mining is a waste of time unless you're already rich

[frigid heath]

i think its a waste of compute

other than canada norway and some other places.. fossils come from some dubious ppl

[median marsh]

sheesh... H100 or go home

[fresh fog]

Oh my

Never even heard of them

They're... Cheap

[median marsh]

and they have aroudn 600GB of video memory

so perfect for unreal projects

[fresh fog]

Are they for render farms and such?

Like disney renders

[median marsh]

i guess they are for machine learning mostly

maybe rendering, too. yea

[fresh fog]

Oh wow, thats a vram thing?

Whoda thunk

[median marsh]

i think it's 8 gpus or something on one board

actually the whole thing is usually put in a cluster and shares memory with other modules

kinda insane

[fresh fog]

Very much so

[median marsh]

nvm, one seems to only have up to 188GB

maybe i mixed that up with the amount for an rack

https://youtu.be/Z2VBKerS63A?t=314

[sinful thicket]

It's not unique to Atlas Fallen.

CS2 Beta = much worse frame times and stutter with e cores enabled and less FPS
YUZU Emulator = much worse frame times and stuttering with e cores enabled
DCS (Flight simulator) = worse frame times with e cores enabled
Star Citizen = almost unplayable with e cores enabled
Steep = worse frame times with e cores enabled ```

[median marsh]

oh, GH200 is the new one

and in a cluster... "offering 144 terabytes (TB) of shared memory with linear scalability for giant AI models."

https://youtu.be/Z2VBKerS63A?t=1010

that's the most holy shit moment of the talk 😄

they really got so fricking fast with "bruteforcing" informations out of a vector set that they can get away with that 😄

maybe the idea isn't even bad

it was just not reasonable doable before

you can probably still put a smart cache between the model and the user to have some old school lookup (at least for some workloads like looking up facts)

[frigid heath]

haha i can buy that, china cant 🙂

also i cant afford that 😦

[mighty cosmos]

#hardware message

Aka attempt at useless optimizations

Not CPUs fault

It's pretty clear what's going on since it's happening in only a few games

If it was something widespread which it isn't then it would be a lot more suspicion

[frigid heath]

CSGO was here first... i say cpu fault

CSGO runs fine on every other cpu.. now intel comes with new ecores... ow yea thats not our fault 😛

[wind egret]

AMD had (and maybe still has) preferred cores. The performance difference wasn't that great, but it's roughly the same problem. Don't pick the slow cores.

[frigid heath]

dont make slow cores!

that just sounds like an allround bad idea

[sinful thicket]

https://cdn.neowin.com/news/images/uploaded/2023/07/1689667686_win_11_dpc_latency.jpg

Doesn't get more clear than this.

[mighty cosmos]

yep, exactly what I'm talking about

[sinful thicket]

Lower is better in that graph. I'm disagreeing if that's not clear.

[mighty cosmos]

yep, I'm realizing you are disagreeing

read my explanation

[fallen oasis]

To be fair, Star Citizen is basically unplayable on any system with any cores enabled or disabled 😂

[sinful thicket]

Perhaps, but the problem is it performs worse with e-cores enabled.

[sinful thicket]

If you're referring to CPPC that was just a on/off bios feature to minimize slight bining differences.

https://wccftech.com/amd-says-it-wont-follow-intel-p-core-e-core-hybrid-approach-talks-zen-5-x86s-more/

[midnight kernel]

Just an question, is 12gb VRAM worth it for UE?

to increase performance/workflow

I currently got 6gb of VRAM lol

it's mainly for cad models with large terrains, and foliage too

I can afford it, buuut, not sure if it will fit in pc though

and if it's compatible with mother board haha

okay cool

cool, thanks for the info 😎

[torn gulch]

hi there i'm looking to get a 4090 laptop for unreal
I work with ue5 everyday and i move a lot so sadly desktop is not an option for me.. anyone having a good laptop setup and good advice on a laptop?
Thanks a lot

I already have a 3070 with i7 but i need a more powerful one..
My budget would be around 3500 max..

[fallen oasis]

Can a 4090 even fit in a laptop?

[torn gulch]

yesh 🙂 but 16gb vram only

it's pretty heavy and hot but i have no choice sadly

yeah defintely i'm not proud of buying into this stupid market

it's definetly overpriced
I'm tempted to wait a bit but i don't know how it will be in a year even it's not changing fast

yeah it's so expensive omg

hmmm yeah that's a good idea

[silent wyvern]

Hi guys

[torn gulch]

ill chekc parsec prices

[silent wyvern]

Is this monitors a special models? I mean double monitors with bracket that connects them?

[fresh fog]

Ngl that just looks like a bog standard dual vesa mount

[digital hound]

Hey all, I've been having this annoying issue with UE5 on my Mac that the fans of my machine go crazy even when I'm building a simple scene like this... Could anyone please help out?

[fresh fog]

Not suspicious at all

[digital hound]

sorry

Let me try again

I've already set me scalability to 'Medium', but that didn't really do the trick... and when I'm setting the scalability quality on Auto, it sets it on 'Epic'

If this is the wrong channel, please let me know as well. I know I'm new here, but it's pretty hard to get started in UE if my machine won't allow for it 😅

True, it's indeed from UE5, but what's my issue is that the CPU is going through the roof when I'm actively working in this file... and I don't understand why because my machine is relatively new (2019) and the scene isn't that complex I'd say. I'm hoping to find some answers here... maybe it's a setting that I need to change or any of that 🙂

[median marsh]

also get sure that you set a sane frame limit (e.g. 60fps) nvm that might be solved by the vsync suggestion from laura

[digital hound]

I just had to jump on a video call, so I'll be back in a while. Thanks already for your answers though, I'll try them when I get out of the call and let you know 🙏

[silent wyvern]

what to set for Mobile Anti-Aliasing Method and mobile one?

rn it's "Fast Approx Anti Aliasing FXAA" for mobile one and Temporal Super-Resolution TST for regular one

don't know

There are two other options: Temporal Anti Alising TAA and Multisample Anti Aliasing

[torn gulch]

ouhh nice i don't actuually even need to pay for parsec

there is a free version

ahhhaha

i actually love laptops for their portability but that's it lol

do you have experience in remote starting of a dekstop ? because if i m not at home i need my computer to boot

ouuuhhh swwet didn't know about framework

but im in france

ahha

hahah

seems like they only use amd for graphics though

but still id like to support such an awesome stuff

yeah true

[hardy marten]

rupture the stock? but why?

[torn gulch]

stock has been ruptured whatever that means

[hardy marten]

yes lmao that's what im joking about

figured, was just trying to be funny

[torn gulch]

french is not suitable for meaning

[hardy marten]

fr*nch 🤢

[torn gulch]

yesssshhh

but parsec is cool but what if i have bad connection because i'm in poland for example

damn it

[hardy marten]

what's parsec? remote desktop service?

[torn gulch]

yeshhh

[hardy marten]

ahh

not sure how i can help lol

[torn gulch]

ahh yeah no problem it was laura giving advice against buying laptop

[hardy marten]

yeah i'm against laptops as well

shit battery life; expensive; short shelf life

all that stuff

[torn gulch]

yeah same definetly

but i'm always on the road even in my own house

and i've had rather good experiences with laptops

since i didn't really have desktop i can't compare ahah

[hardy marten]

if you really want "portability" then get a mini-itx pc with a tiny screen lol

or they have those... boxes

i can't remember what they're called

[torn gulch]

ahah yeah taht would be fun on a bus

and to be honest i dont really mind paying the extra budget if i can take it away
but yeah i was just wondering if you had ideas thanks for your advices

[digital hound]

Hey @iron zenith, sorry for this dumb question, but when I want to shut off vsync, should I type 'r.vsynceditor 1' or 'r.vsynceditor 0'?

Alright, I've set the vsync to off, capped the FPS to 30 and set the shadows and global illumination to low.

I feel like such a newbie in here, but I'm truly grateful for all of your help

[median marsh]

also get sure that it uses the correct GPU

but idk anything about mac and if the intel even qualifies as render device there

[digital hound]

Thanks Ben and Laura! I’ll definitely double-check everything tomorrow

[plush turret]

whats the major difference between the i7 13700 and 13600?

K series

and whats the difference between P-cores and E-cores

google has some answers but they dont really explain it in dumb dumb speak

[wind egret]

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=230493,230500
2 fewer P cores, modest differences in clock speed, immodest differences in potential power usage

[plush turret]

yeah and i think im gonna stick with the 12700k, price is right for what im getting honestly, and maybe its not the BEST, but is it really so much worse than the best that me as the end user will really notice it

i actually cant seem to find a 13600

like on amazon or other

[sinful thicket]

Are you building new, or do you already own the 12700K?

[plush turret]

new, im building the computer bit by bit, already have the MB and case

your right, but wait, isnt the i5 worse than the i7 even between gens?

yeah, i mean is ~$45 really worth it if the only thing im likely to be doing dev wise is likely building the thing, or making minor changes to something?

[fallen oasis]

I tend to do a logarithmic scale.

[devout pollen]

Hi

What system should I get for using UE5 for indie game development?

Laptop or pc?

Is this a good setup? Or should I go higher spec?

Zonic Gaming PC - AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 8-Core Processor 3.80 GHz, RTX 3060 12GB GDDR6, 32 GB DDR4 RAM, 1 TB NVME M2 SSD, Wi-Fi, RGB Gaming keyboard Kit, Windows 11 Home

What about this one
Gaming Zonic Custom PC- AMD Ryzen 7 5700G, GeForce RTX 4060 Ti, 32 GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB M.2 SSD, RGB Gaming Keyboard Kit, Windows 11 Home

[fallen oasis]

First one is probably better for game dev. 4060 has fuck all vram.

[devout pollen]

Thanks.

Any better idea? Should I get higher spec?

[fallen oasis]

Doesn't sound too bad.

A bigger ssd would be a good idea.

[devout pollen]

I think 5700G has integrated graphic card.

Right?

If yes, does it matter if the graphic card integrated or not?

[fallen oasis]

Laura always says, "you'll be thankful for it when your discreet gpu dies"

But, honestly, it doesn't matter.

[devout pollen]

Thanks

Any idea about laptop vs desktop?

Ot mac vs windows?

[plush turret]

Never ever game or dev with mac your wasting cash on something you could buy better for less

[devout pollen]

Thanks

Any suggestion in desktop vs laptop

I think desktop makes more sense

Also

GPU 3060 12 GB vs 3070 8GB??

I watched a video on YouTube comparing 3060, 3060 Ti and 3070

Im a beginner and dont know much about the computers but to me statistically, performance is better in 3070 8gb but instead, it uses more CPU power

Am I Right?

[median marsh]

well ofc it uses more cpu power because it has to generate more frames

and the 3060 12GB is imho the better card for unreal, you want as much video memory as you can afford for dev work

[plush turret]

I mean 4060ti has 16gb

[devout pollen]

Thanks

[devout pollen]

What about the CPU?

I have seen a few pre-build gaming PC that are in my budget

5700x
5800x
5900x
5700G

If I can get 3060 GPU and 32GB RAM for example with 5700G, should I bother to change to 5800x or 5900x?

[opaque pond]

A 6800xt also has 16gb and should perform better

[median marsh]

idk the difference between 5700g and 5800x, but the 5800x would be a good choice in general

[opaque pond]

Why get a 5700g in the first place

[devout pollen]

Thanks

[devout pollen]

Dont know.

Im new to this whole realm

You tell me what to get?

See photo below, I found these pre build pc online

I think the top row is the best option among orhers

[opaque pond]

Isn't there a configurator?

[devout pollen]

What do you mean?

Choosing the parts myself you mean?

[opaque pond]

Like when you go to select the pre built Isn't there an option to customize it?

[devout pollen]

Ahah

Not sure

I dont know

I think unless I want to build all the parts, there is no option to customize

The problem with that option is that I don't know all the parts.

Like there are tons of 16gb RAM from $70 to $700

Or i dint know what power supply to get or what type of cooler

[opaque pond]

also are these prices in USD?

[devout pollen]

Canadian $

[opaque pond]

i think its still very $$ for what it is

[fallen oasis]

http://www.pcpartpicker.com

Choose Canada and build your pc there.

It will also ensure compatibility.

[fresh fog]

It's checkers for gpu length and being able to fit the power supply aren't the best in my experience

[opaque pond]

just buy a big case lol

you cant go wrong with a big case

5head

[digital hound]

Hey! Sorry to bother you all again. After making the changes that were proposed by Laura and BenGPT yesterday, I had high expectation that my CPU would be more friendly today. Unfortunately I'm still getting up to 120% CPU usage on my Mac while editing a really simple level. I've double-checked the recommended settings for UE5, and my machine ticks all the boxes... Is there anything else I could try? Or should I perhaps check the #macos channel with this question? I'm serious about getting into UE and building a career, but this CPU overload makes it relatively impossible.

[fresh fog]

120% CPU usage 🤔

[digital hound]

In this screenshot it's 102,7% but I've seen it reach 120% earlier

[fresh fog]

Something's got to be wrong with the monitoring software. You can't use more than your whole CPU :P

Wtf

My bad then

[digital hound]

Let me give it a shot

[fresh fog]

It hurts

Ooh fair point

[digital hound]

These are the values if I don't do anything, so no mouse movements or viewport controls

And if I'm moving around and / or selecting objects in the editor, it shows these values

So you think it's the GPU that's the bottleneck here, not the CPU?

Yeah...

It sucks though, I thought my machine would be relatively powerful enough to run these type of scenes

Nonetheless

Thank you for being so helpful

Let me double-check and set them one last time for this project 🙂

And just for reference, my current level is the relatively simple 'Third Person Map' from the presets

And I'll also set 't.MaxFPS 30'

[fresh fog]

is unreal actually using the radeon pro and not the intel uhd graphics

im not sure how to check on mac but you wanna make sure it's using the right gpu

ah already been suggested

i have a strong suspicion it may be that

[digital hound]

Alright, these are the values I'm getting after making the exact changes to the Project Settings mentioned by Laura. I'm still reaching 80% CPU on my Mac in Activity Monitor

The higher value is when I'm moving my mouse and selecting multiple objects

The lower value is when I'm not moving my mouse or doing any key inputs

[digital hound]

Let me check! I found this forum post. Fingers crossed 🙂 https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/explicitly-choosing-which-gpu-to-use/436698/4

Unfortunately it already selects the correct GPU

Yeah... I don't think my machine really likes this

Again, thanks a lot for helping out and trying to set-up Unreal in a way that would work on my machine. Unfortunately I think this means that I should save up for a proper machine before diving deep into all the beauty UE has to offer 🤗

[digital hound]

What do you mean with 'your CPU is bored'? 🙂

[devout pollen]

Thanks

But I dont know anything about the other parts. Like motherboard or other stuff

[digital hound]

Thanks again, Laura 🙏

[devout pollen]

Hi

Can you help me with my question that I asked last night?

[devout pollen]

Here it is.

Generally, I want to know what spec pc should I get? What CPU, GPU etc.

Im kinda new to all UNREAL and computer stuff

Its not random,

People have mentioned you yesterday when they were answering my question. Just wanted to see if you can provide some advise.

If possible

And sorry if I bothered you

[opaque pond]

You can get a 13600k with a 7900xt for that money

[fallen oasis]

Just because people happen to mention her doesn't mean you should ping her (twice) to get her attention. If she was going to answer, she would have.

[devout pollen]

Ok

Sorry

Im new to almost everything including discord and didnt know the culture

[fallen oasis]

It's not really good Discord etiquette to ping people you aren't talking to or are friends with.

[devout pollen]

As I said

I did not know that. Im new and sorry

[fallen oasis]

As for your question, bigger is better.

UE will eat everything you throw at it.

[fresh fog]

Your budget matters heavily with this. A development pc with all the bells and whistles can easily be a few grand. A budget one can be much less than a grand

[devout pollen]

Based on what people have told me and my research I dont think ai can get anything less than 2000 $CAD (around $US 1500)

Does this sound correct to you or I should bump my budget?

Initially I was looking to get something around $1500 CAD

But I think thats not happening

[fresh fog]

You can definitely get a good pc for that

Although it really depends on your goals

I would be surprised if that pc wouldn't be able to do most indie games

[devout pollen]

For using Unreal Engine?

You mean 2k CAD?

[fresh fog]

Yeah

[devout pollen]

☹️

Thanks

[fresh fog]

Huh? I'm saying that's more than enough, not that you need to bump up the budget

1500cad is also doable

Most likely

I haven't checked Canadian parts prices yet

[devout pollen]

Oh sorry

I did read it would be able ... 😅

[fresh fog]

I'll only be able to get back to you in a bit with some potential parts, though

[devout pollen]

Forget about the price. Just let me know if the spec is good

AMD 5700x or 5800x or 5900x or higher?

GPU 3060 or 3070 or higher??

Ram 32gb

[devout pollen]

I have these prebuilds from a canadian website

[fresh fog]

Any of those cpus are good, as for gpu prioritise the more vram

Those are all a tad expensive though

I would build your own if you're capable

[devout pollen]

I am also not sure if I should get a prevuild or get the part separately and assemble. If 2nd option, how do I do it??

I used to assemble my own pc back in 90s but I did not continue the computer stuff and went to construction

[devout pollen]

I am good with searching and learning and as I said I did assemble pc back in 90s

And definitely not recommending laptop. Right?

[fresh fog]

Definitely not. Going to be busy for a while, so will have to get back to you later.

[fallen oasis]

500gb SSD is extremely lacking

[uncut compass]

My PC is stuck at this I need help

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[uncut compass]

It's been almost one hour

[median marsh]

the guys at microsoft are still working on the features

they try hard

[uncut compass]

Is there any way to bypass this and boot?

Did that and it's still stuck

It boots up to thia screen only

And loading is going on(that loading gif is rolling)

Any other way?

Like bios or something?

[median marsh]

no

theres exactly 2 options here

cancel it with reset/poweroff

or wait

[uncut compass]

What features it could possibly work on for this long😂 writing GPT?

I'll just leave this overnight

[median marsh]

cloning your hard drive to onedrive

[uncut compass]

??

[wind egret]

"What features it could possibly work on for this long"
"cloning your hard drive to onedrive"
is joke comrade

If you wake up tomorrow and it's still stuck, you get to explore methodology on reinstalling windows from a USB stick

Unless it's a laptop. THEN you get to talk to the manufacturer on how to reinstall all the bloatware

[limber epoch]

what is a good gpu for under $600 for ue5 and blender

im thinking about a rtx 4070 12gb but a friend told me the 40 series isnt worth it

[fallen oasis]

3060 12gb is good.

4070 12gb will be a lot better

[limber epoch]

it fits in my budget while still having a good cpu and ram, should i get it?

[vestal tundra]

4070 and 4090 are the best buys of the 40series imho

[limber epoch]

huh, thats weird, when i went to some pc building server they said not to get a 40 series

[vestal tundra]

4070 is just like $100 overpriced to be a solid recomend

[limber epoch]

im able to fit it in without any bottlenecks or over the budget

so is it worth it?

[vestal tundra]

Used 3080ti is also around that price

If you're comfortable with used hardware, that would be my buy, probably

[limber epoch]

hm alr

[vestal tundra]

AMD cards have generally been better price-performance lately, but it's hard for me to recomend one of production stuff because I've never used one

[limber epoch]

alr ty

ill try researching more into amd cards but i probably wont buy one due to some of it's ratings

[vestal tundra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/15msswd/gpu_evga_bstock_gpus_free_shipping_1060_60_1660/

Keep an eye on the buildapcsales subreddit, because stuff like this pops up from time to time

[limber epoch]

oo

[vestal tundra]

All sold out right now, but they're pretty good at finding random good deals

[limber epoch]

ill try finding a deal for some of the pc parts in a pc i want to build

thanks for recommending this subreddit

oh they dont just sell pc parts, they also show some promocodes

[vestal tundra]

Yeah, random flash sales and stuff

[pearl quartz]

woohoo got my usb-c enclosure for my nvme, nice fast external storage

[fallen oasis]

I have a usb-c drive just sitting on my radiator

Luckily it's a hot summer.

[devout pollen]

32Gb RAM 5600 MHz cl36
Or 64 ram 5200, cl40?

Which one is better

I think 64gb

[plush turret]

from what my it people are saying is unless your clocking it for very specific things, RAM speed (the 5600 vs 5200) doesnt matter as much for the user as your talking about something like miliseconds difference in speed, now if your building a skyrim sized game yeah, your gonna notice a difference but

[digital hound]

Hey again! Here with some good news today!

I was still bothered by the CPU and GPU usage of how UE was treating my MacBook, and I am not yet ready to buy a dedicated machine for UE, sooo….

I decided to give Shadow Cloud a go, and it actually works wonders! Super smooth values when typing in ‘stat unit’ and very fluid movement. Perfect for a beginner like myself to play around without the hardware limitations 🙂

[devout pollen]

Then I should go for the higher capacity

Right?

[plush turret]

Yes

[devout pendant]

PC Gamer Intel Core I7 13700 | Rtx 4070 Ti 12gb | 32gb RAM | 500gb nvme | SSD 1tb | Fountain 850w 80 Plus Gold | Water Cooler 240mm

For 2,500$ is good?

[hardy marten]

I remember when 8 GB was overkill...

and I'm not even old

[mighty cosmos]

says every old person

[hardy marten]

;-;

i'm literally in college

[fallen oasis]

I remember when 8 bytes was considered luxurious.

[hardy marten]

well that's too far into time for me

...how old are you?

[mighty cosmos]

narrator: too old

[hardy marten]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-growing-old-santa-gif-13088822

[fallen oasis]

I may be misrepresenting my technological age.

What can you even do with 128b of ram?

[hardy marten]

run games made for atari 2600 apparently

(I don't know what that is)

[mighty cosmos]

hold a single 16x8 image in memory 😅

[hardy marten]

16x8... pixels?

[mighty cosmos]

[hardy marten]

wHAT

isn't that a bit small?

[mighty cosmos]

well if it's just black and white you could fit more

And I don't know what 128b was actually used for, that was way before my time 😅

[hardy marten]

i'm unable to imagine a use case for such a small image

[hardy marten]

ah okay then lol

I only know atari from that block breaking thing

breakout?

oh and also the "worst video game ever made"

ET

[mighty cosmos]

did it use like 2 bit colors lol

[hardy marten]

which year is this from?

[mighty cosmos]

I can almost see a race track there

[hardy marten]

both racing games, makes you think

[normal cairn]

Does River Raid's jet tilt look flipped to anyone else? When it goes right, it looks like it's banking left to me. and vice versa

[hardy marten]

valid point

[fallen oasis]

The image isn't small when the pixels are huge.

[hardy marten]

some time in the future, people will wonder how we managed to use just 64 GB of RAM to make a game

[mighty cosmos]

AI and large models say hi 😅

[hardy marten]

models of what?

ahh okay

yk how people are excited about using AI for NPCs? there's 89073058 of "ChatGPT to Unreal Engine" integrations

but

why?

how will that help games in any way?

it does nothing for narratives for sure

EXACTLY

what are people trying to accomplish here??

AI has its uses for sure, NPC speech isn't one of them at all

don't even get me started

is it... is it too late? can I still signup to fool people?

https://tenor.com/view/rubbing-hands-evil-smile-evil-smirk-patrick-star-gif-17745265

yeah, that's still for development purposes, right?

there's a ton of people just trying to plug ChatGPT into an NPC

deffo is

well at least I know that I am not the stupid one

spent a lot of time thinking this out

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah that makes sense
Tho wonder how they got colors

I'll watch it when I get home

It must be some masking or something

[median marsh]

having any LLM in a NPC is kinda pointless, unless you want to have meaningless talk with them

because there's not really a solid way of getting data out of it as of now

or at least i haven't found a reliable way

[mighty cosmos]

Chat gpt is not gonna be useful for that, its way too restricted
Custome models and fine tuning is the answer

[median marsh]

to my knowledge the api isn't as restricted as their chat "demo"

but why is this in hardware? :>

[mighty cosmos]

Api is as well but not as much
They trained their models to be "safe" for the "safe AI" push to the point where their models are getting dumber and dumber, there has actually been independent research done that shows their models progressively degrading through the last couple of months

In fact it's quite noticeable on Deja as well that uses gpt3.5, if I select older checkpoints it's noticeably better

[hardy marten]

leave it to humanity to make some of the smartest things on the planet dumb as a rock

[agile lodge]

just use https://convai.com/ it is easy like that for NPC

[mighty cosmos]

they are using GPT

[agile lodge]

they use Nvidia tech like NEMO, Riva atleast with some openAI stuff what might have connected to OpenAI

[mighty cosmos]

They use GPT3.5 and GPT4 for language processing

and generation

find it a bit off-putting that they are kinda hiding that fact

you can only find about this through random slides and old blog posts

also thought this was #generative-ai

lets move there

[agile lodge]

well convai is part of nvidia inception program what is for startups what they us is Nvidia ACE for games so its like they leverage what nvidia have it

[sinful thicket]

Anyone who doesn't see the immersion potential of a world with hundreds of dynamic personalities is foolish.

[median marsh]

i see the potential but no technical solution

also cant wait for toxic NPCs

the immersion would greatly benefit

when coming from your usual multiplayer games...

[sinful thicket]

Already solutions, and they will only get better.

[round swallow]

Any particular DDR4 RAM sticks you guys would recommend that are the best bang for your buck? I needa upgrade my RAM amount from 16 GB to 64 GB so any advice on the matter is appreciated.

[plush turret]

im really getting into my laptops security features

[hardy marten]

what's a qck

[hardy marten]

Corsair or G.Skill imo

[plush turret]

why are 8tb ssd's like a TON more expensive than 2 4tb cards?

4tb SSD's are like $200, 8tb ssd's are like $900

[dense mirage]

No clue tbh.

Ryzen 7 7700x is decent for indie development work within ue5/blender innit? Like I'm not crazy for thinking this am I? Someone said I should just get the i5 13600k instead but 14 cores to me is absurd, what am I supposed to do with 6 extra cores?

[hardy marten]

I prefer TeamRed but I'll be honest, more cores are better

[dense mirage]

More cores are better, when you can actually use them

7700x has higher base clock speeds, and 8 cores just seem reasonable

[wind egret]

Compiling source uses all the cores.

[dense mirage]

I forgot about that, been using python for too long.

More cores with slower clock speed or less cores with higher clock speed

[wind egret]

Whichever your budget prefers. They're close enough and you're not trying to hit 165 fps in the editor.

[hardy marten]

I'd go for the Ryzen tbh

AM5 will stay for at least 3 more years

[dense mirage]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWqLkJ

[wind egret]

Smaller market means smaller production run means more overhead per unit. In theory.
In practice, there's a price premium for buying the expensive option.

[dense mirage]

That's my build I'm going for, it was "okay" until I replaced the r5 5700 with the r7 7700x

Now its "bad"

[hardy marten]

why is it bad?

[dense mirage]

Because, from what I understood. AMD shouldn't be used for productivity because intel and nvidia have features that make productivity work faster

Something like that

[hardy marten]

features like? ig I can understand the GPU side

CUDA, DLSS, all that

what features does intel have over AMD?

[dense mirage]

No clue

I5 13600k might be around the same price as 7700x

[hardy marten]

lol okay then

[dense mirage]

Yeah the i5 13600k is same price as the 7700x. They probably recommended it because of the core count

[spice girder]

I did pick 64 gb of ram and the lancool 216 case (newer version)

[dense mirage]

I'd do 64 gigs, eventually. I'd rather put the extra $120 into storage tho

[sinful thicket]

If you want something faster than a 7700X get a 7900X. Most of the cores on the 13600K are e-cores so it's not the same.

The 7900X is actually ~50% faster than the 7700X so it's better value anyhow.

[narrow berry]

They just announced the new Nvidia 5090

It's going to be 70 pounds

[sinful thicket]

Nvidia's monopoly on AI needs to end. They're basically price gouging VRAM access above 24GB.

[mighty cosmos]

If amd would wake up and actually provide a software stack that isn't beyond terrible for ML that might actually happen

Tho they are making progress, a bit late to the party since every major ml framework is oriented towards cuda (since that's been the only option for a long time) but amd is now at least starting to actually care

[sinful thicket]

7900X is better deal than both.

[sinful thicket]

It seems like he's placing emphasis on performance. The 13600K is better value than a 7700X, but in the end it's still a budget CPU. A 7900X spanks both (50% faster than a 7700X) while not being that much more expensive and while maintaining the same value per dollar, which is rare. It'll be up to how he wants to distribute his budget.

[frank glade]

What about single thread perf?

[median marsh]

for linux it looks like all the rocm stuff is kinda compatible and at comparable levels now (for pytorch stuff), seen a few packages add notes about rocm support lately

idk about large scale servers tho, haven't heard anything of AMD related to that ever....

[sinful thicket]

Irrelevant either way

[median marsh]

very relevant for the majority of users here

[sinful thicket]

The Core i5-13600K vs Ryzen 7 7700X roughly tie in the overall measure of single-threaded performance

Still irrelevant. UE5 is not a single threaded application, and it isn't 2003 anymore.

[trim brook]

Anyone lately having that feeling of not wanting to sit in the office room to work and just, idk, sit a bit in the living room (if home office) to work and check the garden or nature depending on how they live?

I feel kinda stuck in the office, but also usually work with 2-3 screens and a Desktop.

Are there any good solutions for a more mobile UE setup, maybe even with the ability of having a second screen? The general idea of Laptop + Screen + Keyboard (if Laptop Keyboard s*cks) + Mouse is just too much to quickly move.

(mainly the additional screen is a problem I guess)

[sinful thicket]

Rendering is on a different thread by default, as is loading data, unloading data, audio, etc. Also still irrelevant.

[grand parcel]

i do laptop + secondary display (they make some very small portable ones that can even display and power all off one usb port) + trackball + custom built keyboard

[frank glade]

Funny how gaming performance is relevant when you talk about "issues" with intel cpus but single thread performance with a gazillion apps that devs use is not

[sinful thicket]

There aren't a gazillion single threaded apps that devs use (lol).

It's such a wrong statement that it would've been wrong even 10 years ago. Not sure if you're serious.

[trim brook]

Are those, relative to their bigger counterparts, cheaper, or do I pay a liver for a small screen then haha

[grand parcel]

they are generally pretty cheap, i cant speak to their quality.. but there are several 1440p 16" ones on amazon

they are basically laptop screens on their own

since im a programmer i really dont care about color accuracy on these haha but they are good enough for most things

not art

ive seen them in the 100 to couple hundred usd range

[frank glade]

Even zbrush favors cpus with better single thread performance. Let alone modeling, texturing, even baking operations in ancients like 3ds or maya

[trim brook]

Right, yeah programmer here too. Just need to read text on it.

I will think about that. Do you place it just next to your laptop or is there some sort of cool foldable setup where they are stacked or attached somehow?

[grand parcel]

i feel like there are good cheapish options.. ive been looking at a 1440p 16" with hdr and 165hz .. who knows if it will live up to that, but it cant be too bad ahha

[trim brook]

I don't even have 165hz on my normal screens

I'm totally happy with 60 for that

[grand parcel]

most seem to come with those tablet covers that double as a stand

[trim brook]

Right. I wonder if there are some attachment options. But might heavily depend on the Laptop

[grand parcel]

i have a wire stand which is nicer haha

[trim brook]

(to save the space on having to actively place it next to the laptop)

Hmmmm

[grand parcel]

im setting up an alternate work spot soon so ill find out x_x

[trim brook]

Something Something

[grand parcel]

haha

[trim brook]

Casual 413€ for both together

That's ~205€ per screen. That's basically almost standard screen prices. Hell no

Also only fullhd

Seems to be a standard price for the attachable ones

[grand parcel]

i guess also you need a laptop with multiple display outputs haha

[trim brook]

Just carry the whole thing 😏
edit: jk of course >.>

[grand parcel]

i mean this is how my work setup looks like at my usual spot

except the big one is a 27"

[trim brook]

Yeah I don't have the laptop yet. But that's the smaller problem

Got some work from home ones in the office somewhere. My employees can spare one

Mostly thinking about the compact form of having a second screen

[grand parcel]

yeah

[median marsh]

put some lightweight LED screens in a suitcase which can also fit the laptop in between 😛

so you can open the suitcase and place it on a table, and you got 2 vertical screens placed

[grand parcel]

a simple stand and a light weight screen is probably most portable if you want to cycle around your house

tbh the power brick is the most annoying hahaha

[median marsh]

or screens at both locations if you only tracel between 2 places (comes down to the same price)

[trim brook]

I guess so, the attachment to the laptop is first world problems

It's not traveling ben. It's mostly to go to the living room and sit at the dinner table, cause there is sometimes more light, a prettier garden etc.
I feel a bit locked in the office, staring at wall. The window here has no proper view outside

[grand parcel]

alternate: really long cables to different places in your house from a desktop

[trim brook]

And I won'T have screens on that table

[grand parcel]

😄

[median marsh]

thats really 1st world problems 😄

[grand parcel]

side note, i also do that

im slightly ridiculous

[trim brook]

Yeah, BUT it's to counter burn out and depression haha

[sinful thicket]

It's nice that you googled that but all 3 of those are heavily threaded applications. In Zbrush that includes most of it. Even Pixologic explicitly recommends multiple cores for Zbrush.

[trim brook]

One gets quite jealous, seeing those peeps like Carlos or Andreas (from Epic) game deving from a freaking boat

Althought I hate deep water, but the idea is nice

[median marsh]

i think you could easily carry around a screen mount with 2 led screens, after all they arent heavy

and with a clamp you may be able to attach them to your living room table?

[grand parcel]

hah i mean cabin in the woods and devving from a balcony overlooking some scenery is good

[trim brook]

I think if I do that, I can also directly turn the couch into my new bed.

[grand parcel]

ok so, my personal desktop is on the couch

can confirm, its amazing

[trim brook]

That's what my wife wants. She even plans a Norway holiday just to be in some far away cabin and dev from there.

[median marsh]

doesn't that kill your back?

[grand parcel]

monitor arm to swivel it out of the way, computer runs the whole living room, tv, movies, etc and games

[median marsh]

i feel like its hella uncomfortable after some time

[grand parcel]

cabin in the woods full remote is the dream ahha

[trim brook]

There are gremlins in that regard. I have one in our city office. I'm not sure she knows how to actually use a chair

[grand parcel]

i shift alot and dont sit like a normal person 😄 also i have a reclining couch

[frigid heath]

that size hd is good enough tho 😛

[trim brook]

Yeah, was more about the price vs what you get

[grand parcel]

must put more code on screen x_x

[trim brook]

Portable Beamer

[frigid heath]

is it 2 tablets that you can take out?

[trim brook]

• Neighbors house

[grand parcel]

really tho engine uis (for most engines ive used) just use up so much space haha

[trim brook]

It's also mostly about working on multiple things at once

[frank glade]

😂

[trim brook]

One of my employees has one of those super curved widescreen monitors.
There everything fits on. But the normal 16:9 screens are super quickly full

Also that's not a screen one carries around

[median marsh]

dont waste your time...

[grand parcel]

you arent trying hard enough x_x

when we still were in the office one of my coworkers also had the ultra wide monitor

[trim brook]

Preferably something in that direction yes. Not sure if that's the best usecase for tablets though

[trim brook]

Gym subscription included

[grand parcel]

💪

[frigid heath]

dunno, looks like it might be good for specific usecases

[grand parcel]

making sure your game actually works at ultra wide x_x

[frigid heath]

more like a multiple ppl thing

dont really need an ultrawide to make sure stuff works on ultrawide

[grand parcel]

fair, but its so much nicer just to see it all for real 😛

also like validating and qa wise, seems to make sense.. since in a studio, hardware expenses are relatively minor costs

[frigid heath]

true, but testing every single hardware setup is near impossible

[grand parcel]

yep

its why having some hardware diversity among the team is nice.. at least you may run into issues you wouldnt otherwise

also though i used to work at ubi, so we had whole hardware validation labs heh

[median marsh]

dont say that tooo loud 😄

[frigid heath]

seems a bit overkill, but that amazon game burned some high end vid cards, so there is that

[median marsh]

well, who's fault is it after all? i feel like that's rather an hardware/driver fault at this point

[grand parcel]

its true seems a faulty power connector

[median marsh]

i think they overheated? it was before the power connector issues

[grand parcel]

tendency to melt haha

[frigid heath]

nah that wasnt the connector, it was something else i think

[grand parcel]

there may have been several hardware issues x_x

[median marsh]

yeah i think they just overheated because the game didnt have any fps cap in the main menue or smth

so it always had 100% load

[frigid heath]

yea or the load screen something like that

it was pretty bad from both sides

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah they released it for windows, they are starting to wake up finally

[median marsh]

The issue being limited to a single model of card also means that this is a hardware issue and not a problem with Amazon’s New World in general. It sounds like there is a fault of some sort in EVGA’s FTW3 cards, and New World’s environment just happens to have the right combination of settings and GPU calls to root out the problem.

[frigid heath]

this game burns 1500$ vid cards is not the headline you want on launch day... really doesnt matter whos fault it is

[median marsh]

blame it on media, but after all that's how they reach out to the affected users

so 2 bladed sword

[dense mirage]

Thanks. It's sad this discord is more helpful with pc parts than a dedicated pc building server

I'm not gonna be doing any high end work thatd benefit from the extra cores tho. It's a gaming PC first and foremost, with the game dev/3D modeling stuff on the side as I learn and progress

[hardy marten]

gaming will benefit from the extra cores

for sure

heard they tend to overheat a lot

[dense mirage]

They like running hot

[hardy marten]

and are bad for productivity

I'm in a dilemma myself lol, stuck between 3D and no 3D, is it worth the extra $175?

[dense mirage]

What the hell does 3D cache even do

I'm lacking in the modern cpu information

[hardy marten]

it's basically more memory

on the cpu

stacked on top of the actual cores

yeah that's what I meant

how often will that be the case?

hmm yeah I kinda forgot that I use unreal lmao

[dense mirage]

Problem is, what about upgrading to a newer cpu if I do go the 15 13600k route

[hardy marten]

idek how much my current CPU draws either

[dense mirage]

Doesnt the socket change every gen with intel

[hardy marten]

if future-proofing is your concern

AMD is the way to go

AM5 just launched and will last at least for 3 more years

hell I am on AM4 and I can still upgrade to the last gen CPUs if I need to

[dense mirage]

How does the i5 13600k hold up in the worlds poorest optimized video game of all time?

[hardy marten]

intel's sockets are a nightmare to remember lol; is that the newest one?

[dense mirage]

Cough escape from tarkov cough cough

[hardy marten]

ahh alright

how on earth does this socket support both DDR4 and DDR5

riiiight makes sense