hardware

[obtuse rapids]

We'll see I have to go on shift now but when I get back tomorrow I'll try to figure out what's wrong thanks for your help

[spice girder]

hyte y60 is a computer case

[fallen oasis]

I figured 😛

[frank glade]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/3/23530833/razer-blade-16-18-gaming-laptops-specs-price wild, coming with 4090s

[west quail]

#hardware message Still want this answered

further context

[sick dirge]

you should probably stop using the battery it might be dangerous to be plugged in tbh

I've had laptop batteries fail and then start expanding inside the laptop

[vivid skiff]

Do what it says to do, really

Also reminds me of my old old netbook had the battery "exploded", I haven't used it since 2013 lol

[tame cargo]

hi there. I am doing a new pc build and I have an M.2 Nvme to use and just wondering if it would be better to use it for the system+ unreal engine or use it for projects. I am not sure what would be best

[vivid skiff]

What size?

[tame cargo]

1tb

[vivid skiff]

You can split it to 1:4 for OS and rest goes for anything else.

[tame cargo]

ok I am just wondering what is better...having unreal engine on the drive or my projects. I will upgrade to another M.2 soon but I need to sort out all my ssd/hdd drives as M.2 steals 2 sata ports per 1 drive

[vivid skiff]

FWIW you should go M.2 SSD all the way
You'll benefit higher storage I/O which is crucial for development work

If you have another system or HDD enclosure, you should relegate it to backups

[tame cargo]

ok thank you for your help

[fallen oasis]

1000x better to have UE on your drive at this point.

[fierce jackal]

Hello 👋 Does anyone have some tales to tell about using an amd RX 7900 XTX gpu with Unreal Engine 5.1 for video game editing? The figures on this page look pretty disappointing, but it is for Unreal Engine 4: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24gb-content-creation-review/#Game_DevVirtual_Production_Unreal_Engine . With all the war going on between AMD and Nvidia at the moment, I don't know what to think... I saw that AMD worked with Epic Games on Unreal Engine 5. I'm beeing curious there!

Also, do you think the 24 GB of VRAM is overkill for independent, small editing? My actual GPU has 4GB of RAM and I'm always exhausting video memory, so I have no idea how it scales beyond that...

And a last question: on the same web page, the Blender results for AMD are... huf... Do you think it may get better in near future? Or is Blender just focusing on optimizing for Nvidia hardware?

(I am not trying to bring a debate on the table. Just trying to have some feedback and thoughts/explanations from knowledgeable people from the video game industry)

[wanton hollow]

The Cheapest pc (Can work with UE5.1) is have which requirements?
Like what gpu is better & cpu
i know 16GB ram
but idk GPU or CPU

about price of pc
i gonna buy stock pc
and i have near 600$

[vivid skiff]

Ideally both

[vivid skiff]

Though given your budget, it depends on which part you want to sacrifice:

• weaker CPU: Slower compile and build times
• weaker GPU: Lower framerate and missing rendering feature

[obtuse rapids]

whew, this has been a lot harder of a build than I anticipated

[vivid skiff]

Storage also play huge role, because SSD can give higher I/O speed, in turn speeding up project load times and cutting down compile times, but it's more expensive than slower HDDs.

[fierce jackal]

@wanton hollow To have an idea of the "sacrificed" rendering features for the GPU, scroll down on this page: https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.1/en-US/hardware-and-software-specifications-for-unreal-engine/
As of today I have a GTX 970 with 4GB of VRAM, meaning that I lack hardware ray tracing, and editing above "medium" scaling is terrible. Aim for at least 8GB of VRAM. A second hand 2080 might be OK and reasonably cheap to get access to all rendering features

If you don't care about hardware RT, just get the cheapest old GPU you can find, but with more than 4GB of VRAM (this really is not enough), while supporting directx 12

[vivid skiff]

I'd say second hand market depends on where you live - on developing countries it's either same as retail price in good condition, or cheaper but in near death condition

I'm not keen on suggesting second hand market as developing country inhabitant myself

[fierce jackal]

Ah right, I didn't considered that point, idk about second hand market there. Sorry

[wanton hollow]

oooo

[wanton hollow]

I got good ssd

Also why gpu not going to be amd?

[devout pendant]

is a mouse with a trackball suited for 3D?

[vivid skiff]

If you're comfortable with it, then go ahead.

[devout pendant]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/164894428905 this one seems a clone of the logitech's design. 39.99$

[obtuse rapids]

Using the iGPU multi monitor setting enabled won't degrade editor performance right? I know sometimes having integrated screws up certain games but I shouldn't expect the performance loss on the CPU since it's a different section of it?

[bright tendon]

is 1200W PSU good enough for 4090+ i9-13900k at peak power draw?

[fallen oasis]

Probably 2-300W over budget

Should work fine

[bright tendon]

Any reason to choose gold or platinum , one over other ?

[fallen oasis]

They are slightly more power efficient.

And by slightly I mean a few %

[bright tendon]

yeah , I guess I'll go with "Corsair HX1200 1200 Watt 80 Plus Platinum SMPS"

[fallen oasis]

I have something similar, a 1200W platinum, but it's by bequiet!

[bright tendon]

What to look for in motherboard that isn't always obvious?

[fallen oasis]

gb lan socket?

Built-in wifi can be useful

[bright tendon]

Asus Prime Z790 vs Asus ROG Strix Z790 ?

The only major difference I see is there are more pcie 4.0 on the second one

[vivid skiff]

Well, more slots = more room for upgrades

[karmic trout]

Hi

What keyboard is your favorite?

[vivid skiff]

Anything that has no RGB lighting and no crappy matrix with ghosting

[karmic trout]

what are you using currently?

[spice girder]

keychron Q or V series

[frank glade]

Keychron gang

[karmic trout]

What's good about Keychron?

[frank glade]

I spilled water a few times and it's still working

[spice girder]

Quality, fully Customizability and no useless software the you have to keep on your PC. If you want to change a key or add a macro, you can use QMK or VIA and can remove it from the PC without loosing what you add / changed, because it is saved on the keyboard and not on the PC.

[rough spindle]

Microsoft Ergonomic

[mighty cosmos]

Glorious GMMK2

[agile lodge]

RTX 6000 Ada Lovelace the professional card

what i saw the euro price come on just over 6k to 12k

[fierce jackal]

When editing projects such as the City Sample for UE 5.1 (open world with high quality textures, lot of Nanite meshes, Lumen), how much VRAM do you guys consume on your GPU? I'm trying to understand how VRAM allocation scales on big projects. (I currently have 4GB VRAM and it is always exhausted on very small scenes at high scalability settings)

[frank glade]

I would try to get at least 16...24 sounds best though

[fierce jackal]

Damn yeah, so a second hand 3090 or a 7900xt(x) sounds like good options. Any feedback from using a 7900xtx with UE 5.1? Figures on pugetsystems are pretty bad, but it's rated for UE 4.

(Already asked the question couple days ago, but I understand if nobody has this hardware to give feedback 😅 )

[astral shell]

Should all your monitors be the same htz values?

or can this cause issues.

[fallen oasis]

Never had one. I have 60, 120 and 144.

[astral shell]

Alright. good about to buy 3 new 60 htz, and one 360

[fallen oasis]

Why 360..?

That's far too much lol

[astral shell]

i get an average fps in most games, 300 - 400 fps on my pc

[fallen oasis]

That's besides the point!

Save on your power bill lol

[astral shell]

syncing it with the frames is best right?

lol

TRUE

[fallen oasis]

120 is enough, really, 144 is you wanna push it.

Cap your fps to your refresh rate

And even if it's 360hz, it might not have a good grey to grey speed.

[astral shell]

im overdoing it with 4 zowie's 240 htz. about to sell all four and down grade 3 and upgrade 1.

this monitor is just so. blah to me, i liked my LG's so much better back in the day

[mighty cosmos]

144Hz is about perfect, I upgraded from 144Hz to 170Hz and while I can see some difference it's very small
It gets even more difficult to notice from there

My main one is 170Hz and my 2nd monitor is 144Hz

ahh replied to the wrong message....

[north arch]

Htz is not a unit...

Hz is

[fallen oasis]

Apparently.

[median marsh]

why is that?

[fallen oasis]

Going above your refresh rate disables something or other

Which is good to have?

There's definitely a reason.

[devout pendant]

the general rule is cap it 2 fps below monitor refresh rate.
but some games work better at 300fps for example, and on Nvidia you still do not get tearing, above monitor refresh rate it uses fast sync.

[devout pendant]

i made a environment with landscape, nanite meshed and foliage. 15gb vram usage for me, 16 should get you far if you optimize and lower settings. 24gb vram if you want to less limited.

[fierce jackal]

Hey, thanks for the feedback! What size is your landscape?

[devout pendant]

section size 63x64 quads, overall resolution 505x505.
some nanite meshes and mountain in the background.

[obtuse rapids]

Anyone here use an ergonomic mouse?

[west quail]

I need a laptop battery for a Dell Inspiron 5755 Battery, will this work? https://www.amazon.com/M5Y1K-14-8V-Battery-Inspiron-453-BBBQ/dp/B08QJ7QP5F/ref=asc_df_B08QJ7QP5F/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=475750632217&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11213462578557601839&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9017523&hvtargid=pla-1114642650202&psc=1

[west quail]

lmao

[fallen oasis]

Did you check the model # of your battery?

[west quail]

@fallen oasis this is all ik

[fallen oasis]

Take the battery out.

It will have a model #

[west quail]

Alright I'll do when I'm home

[astral shell]

😮 jesus

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-DOMINATOR-Optimized-Regulation-Ultra-Bright/dp/B09RX4N6JZ/ref=sr_1_4?crid=14G0I8QQYIGSA&keywords=ddr5%2Bram%2B128&qid=1674770783&sprefix=ddr5%2Bram%2B128%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-4&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.c3015c4a-46bb-44b9-81a4-dc28e6d374b3&th=1

new pc so far 😄

[devout pendant]

How much is that 4090 gonna cost you

[fallen oasis]

Answer is in the question!

[astral shell]

2,000 USD plus tax sorry i was sleeping, i just got some money and why not treat myself to something really nice that i will use every day 😄

[fallen oasis]

I had a friend who said something similar.

He bought a $2,000 USD chair for working at home on his pc.

[astral shell]

no way

2 out of 4 monitors wont turn on.. hmm i really think this video card is dying

[fallen oasis]

What the fuck is this monstosity?!

https://sarahscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/most-expensive-office-chair-Genuine-Leather-Executive-Chair-735x907.jpg

[astral shell]

i dont think i would even pay 100 for that

[fallen oasis]

His one was more like https://sarahscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/ERGOUP-Ergonomic-Office-Chair-most-expensive-office-chair-735x612.jpg

[astral shell]

ohh like what shroud uses

those are nice

[fallen oasis]

I think it might ahve been a Herman Miller Aeron

[astral shell]

yeah, those are really expensive chairs. I never sat in one so i don't know if they are as good as they say

[fallen oasis]

Doens't really matter if they are or not. People with money will buy them because they have money.

[devout pendant]

Gaming chair for fat people

Needs the extra support

[north arch]

full mesh chairs are the best

[agile lodge]

asus rog chair is cool

[fallen oasis]

Why?

[north arch]

less sweaty ass in the summer

good amount of flex and support

[fallen oasis]

My arse stays pretty sweatless.

[north arch]

not forced support but conforming

[agile lodge]

https://rog.asus.com/apparel-bags-gear/gear/rog-destrier-ergo-gaming-chair-model/

[median marsh]

Made For Mobile Gaming

a chair...

[fallen oasis]

If I were to mobile game, I'd lie in bed.

[median marsh]

what's the purpose of the "shield" around the headrest?

[fallen oasis]

To look cool.

[median marsh]

ok, so no purpose

[fallen oasis]

"Enhanced Noise Reduction And Deeper Immersion"

The detachable acoustic panel blocks distractions from the sides for deeper gaming immersion.

[median marsh]

yea just scrolled that far down, too...

[north arch]

my wife's m.2 drive is failing to boot in either slot, her bios indicates it's an adata chipset...

[fallen oasis]

She had backups, right?

[north arch]

it's less than a year old and barely used

it's all the game downloads at 8Mbs or worse and lost save games and os that hurt

[serene dome]

Failing to boot into Windows doesn't necessarily mean the drive has gone bad. Have you ran more diagnostics?

[north arch]

the boot error is "no media detected"

and the bios has stopped seeing the drive

the solder looks pretty crappy so I'll probably get some flux and reflow it

[devout pendant]

I think that my mouse is suffering from double clicks.

Everytime I'm going to select and drag something, it seems to double click and drag when I don't want to. I want to move the camera but it selects and drags.

I'm moving the camera and suddenly some mesh is selected

[timber cobalt]

I have not seen that issue for a while, but that can be a sign of a dying microswitch @devout pendant

[frank glade]

That happened a few times with Logitech mice for me

Solder a new microswitch?

[devout pendant]

Hi, does Nvidia 3070 or 4070 12 GB has better rendering and lighting than 1070 8GB. Of course, not asking for speed as its obviously faster both, but is quality of graphics better also? so would scene look better. I am looking to buy one of these 2, 4070 is much faster

[mighty cosmos]

The final rendered result dies depend on the GPU, all of them will produce the same final image on the same settings

[fallen oasis]

Later cards might have more features, though, support for better dx and such.

[median marsh]

yea, but 1070 does support dx12 and lumen etc.

but quite possible that in the future a 1070 might not support the latest additions

[cosmic root]

Building a new pc to start UE5, could anyone tell me if I would see much difference in a Ryzen 8,12,16 core cpu with UE5. Would I need something better?

[vivid skiff]

Higher cores can mean faster compile times, but you'd also need more RAM for each thread compiling your code. Also SSD to make read/write speed quicker

[cosmic root]

Thanks have 32gb but upgrading to 64gb, I've not chosen cpu yet, would an 8,12 or 16 do? would any of these be sufficient ? would only difference be compile times?

[median marsh]

mainly (shader) compile times

[vivid skiff]

If you have tight budget, 8 core (16 thread) is fine. Compiling Unreal C++ code takes around 1.5 GB for each thread. Otherwise, go for 16 cores

[median marsh]

8 core usually should do the job for the usual stuff within UE

[vivid skiff]

Though I will say storage I/O speed is the largest bottleneck when it comes to compiling code. In short, doing it in SSD is much faster

[fallen oasis]

48gb of ram.

Jebus.

[devout pendant]

than you test game, all works great, and you wonder why does it have 3 FPS on other computers

[fallen oasis]

Heh

If you don't have 48gb of video ram, that's a you problem! 😄

[devout pendant]

yes, except for the fact if you cant run 60 fps your scene may look slugish

[mighty cosmos]

But you asked about the quality of the final image which is going to be the same
Not speed/framerate

[devout pendant]

yes

though for video quality it wont be same because I cant run in Cinematic video on 1070 8GB with 60 FPS

[flat glade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/10q4p24/critical_samsung_ssd_firmware_update/

[wind egret]

only the 2TB 980 Pro on certain firmware versions

(though maybe puget doesn't use 1TB 980 Pro drives?)

[devout pendant]

AMD Radeon RX7900XT Gaming, 20GB GDDR6
yummy

this like sounds better than Nvidia 4070 12 GB, price difference is around 130 EUR

at least on paper. I think there are pros and cons for both. 4070 seems to have a bit higher game performance

[lapis knot]

but more vram

honestly depends on what resolution you're rocking

both are solid choices though

what about the xtx version though

Nvidia imo is also beneficial because they're further ahead with Ray tracing and dlss if that matters to you

I think it really depends on what resolutions you're trying to hit because both are probably fine at qhd

but the xt is probably better at 4k

[devout pendant]

I am still at full hd

1920x1080

I have to upgrade as I am having around 32 fps on my scene

[lapis knot]

I would probably choose the 4070 ti myself

and save the 130 euros especially if resolution isn't a big deal to you

performance will be negligible

oh the other one is 130 euros cheaper

idk up to you

weigh pros n cons

[devout pendant]

some youtubers are calling RTX 4000 a scam, because DLSS3 increases latency

the 3x FPS has a hidden trade off

[devout pendant]

you should have all the information to decide of the 4000 series is worth it to you. it just takes a few hours of research, anyone yelling scam just avoid them.
the frame generation feature only gives 80 to 90% more frames, at a 15% higher latency, from base framerate that is.
the official NVidia performance fps charts are scam, but no one should look at those, only 3rd party reviews.

[mighty cosmos]

Only card worth getting from the 4000 series is 4090

anything else is if you don't really have any other choice imo

[blazing shard]

The 4070 is fine if that's all you can afford but if you can afford the 4080, why not 4090

[devout pendant]

who needs 24GB?

[devout pendant]

the 4090 sells more because it has 24GB?

[north arch]

probably sells more because 4090 is the biggest number nvidia makes

[mighty cosmos]

sells more because it's the only card that makes any sense in that series, 4080 is a scam at that price point

[wanton hollow]

Guys is graphic on board is important?
i mean graphic of the cpu

[fallen oasis]

No

Someone once said, "having the integrated gpu is nice if your graphics card breaks"

[wanton hollow]

So it not important to have cpu with on board gpu

[devout pendant]

I am buying 3070 Nvidia, it will be sufficient for my needs as my 1070 experiences bottleneck performance 30 fps

so according to this chart, I will have massive boost in performance over my 1070 card

[fallen oasis]

No. Unless you need it for additional monitors or something.

[devout pendant]

another performance view

it seems that 1070 card is basically obsolete. 3070 offers at least 3x performance jump

4070 is even better

I will first go with 3070 and than I when I get some funds will jump to 4090 24GB with some serious PC

[wind egret]

I feel bad for the 2080 super in that benchmark.

[lapis knot]

my 2080ti still holding on lmao

[vivid skiff]

GTX 1080 Ti getting left behind somehow makes me weep

[median marsh]

i wouldn't recommend a 8GB vram card for gamedev

if you are already concerned about performance

[frank glade]

Yes but there's another puget chart where the UE scene doesn't fit in the Vram and 3070 gets 2 fps while 3060 12gb keeps going on at a manageable rage

[wind egret]

Nvidia really needs to dump its extra 3070s, though, so if you could just do them this one favor...

[median marsh]

this for example?!

if you are on budget and gamedev is your main task get a 3060 (with 12GB), if you have some cash to spend, get a 3090/4090

[unkempt pelican]

Would it be better to get a 3060 or a 6700xt? Assuming you don't need cuda, optix for blender etc

[wind egret]

They're very close, but you never know what strange new tool will use cuda.

[median marsh]

and what strange new issues you run into with an AMD GPU

overall nvidia seems to receive better "support"

[agile lodge]

intel arc driver boost is nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecfV17wrjfs

[tame cargo]

Hi. I have just built a new pc and I have installed a PCIe Gen 4 NVMe M.2 drive which takes up 2 sata ports. I was looking into getting a NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe and I cannot find info about if it takes up sata ports. I still need my sata ports for other drives so I would like the m2 drives but not if they steal all my sata ports

does the pcie M2 work without stealing sata ports

for anyone who does not know. 1 M2 drive requires 2 sata ports no5&6 which cannot be used so we only have 4 sata ports if u install an M2 drive

[frank glade]

that depends on your motherboard, check your manual

[tame cargo]

ok well I know that each M2 drive and my board has 2 requires 2 sata ports per drive....but PCIe I do not know if it bypasses that

[frank glade]

it has to be in the manual

[median marsh]

that also depends on your board

[frank glade]

my old asrock board would disable one sata port if the 2nd m2 slot was used

[tame cargo]

ok ill give it another going over

[frank glade]

ddidn't matter what kind of m2 drive it was

[median marsh]

check if it would disable sata if you use pci ex lanes from the slots

[tame cargo]

oh so its not universal

ok i did not know that

thanks

using a MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK Motherboard

[median marsh]

why do you need 6 sata ports tho Oo

[tame cargo]

lol well I have only upgraded my pc and I was living in the stone age for a while....got a lot of music/3d/personal drives

[median marsh]

well, i would rather consider getting an external case for one/two of them

usb 3 should be fast enough for the HDD speed

[tame cargo]

yea i got a case that has the sata/power input on the top which i can use for drives in the future that i don't really need installed

just trying to figure out all the new goodies

got a ryzen 9 5950x which compiles shaders in 15min where my old system took 24hours so thats a big step

[median marsh]

or a NAS

[tame cargo]

yea my friend told me about nas....good idea

thanks for the help

[tame cargo]

no information on the motherboard about M2/sata port usage....anyone else know what the story is? I know M2 on my board takes 2 sata ports per M2 but I dont know what an M2 / PCIe port takes

[median marsh]

???

are you sure that it takes 2 ports when you plug in an pci ex nvme?

or is your M2 sata?

[tame cargo]

yes...I watched a tutorial on it and they said it take sata ports 5&6 for each M2

well for the first

and then sata p[orts 3/4 for the 2nd but no idea if it requires sata ports for PCIe

[median marsh]

i wouldn't trust a random tutorial

[tame cargo]

yea im just trying to find out info on this as I do not know anything about it

[median marsh]

people out there are bored and want to be famous on YT and push out shit for the sake of it

RTFM...

[tame cargo]

?

[median marsh]

A reply to when people go on internet message boards asking for technical advice on subjects where the obvious solution is usually given in products user manual

"Read the fucking manual." The most obvious solution to most tech problems. Also the most overlooked solution.

[tame cargo]

WTF are you blind...I read the fucking manual

[median marsh]

then idk what the problem is

[tame cargo]

wow some response

wtf

[median marsh]

it is all written in the manual

[tame cargo]

no its not you idiot

i read it twice

[median marsh]

then the manual is bad

[tame cargo]

now your going off on me when you know nothinfg

[median marsh]

dont call me an idiot ffs

i'm not going off on you

[tame cargo]

you started this

READ THE FUCKING MANUAL...WOW what a response

[median marsh]

...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM

this even has an wiki entry

don't take it to personal

[tame cargo]

dont take it personally....but you tell me to READ THE FUCKING MANUAL

[median marsh]

yea, or link it here

[tame cargo]

and i told you i already did

[median marsh]

and hope that some tech experienced person takes a look

[tame cargo]

right well calm down on the abuse

[median marsh]

lol

you tell me?

and answer maybe the question if your NVME is pci-ex or sata

[devout pendant]

Looking to buy a monitor really confused 😕

[lapis knot]

it will be hard to buy a monitor if you're really confused

jokes aside what is confusing about it

[median marsh]

there's too much choice^

[devout pendant]

Should I go for 27 or ultrawide or 32

[lapis knot]

ultra wide is preference I dislike them personally

27 is big enough

32 is too much

imo

[devout pendant]

Oh 27inch and 4k would be a cool thing

[lapis knot]

yeah it would

anything else you're confused about

[devout pendant]

Can u suggest me the best one

[median marsh]

i wouldn't go 27" ultrawide for working on it

rather 27" 16:9 to get some height

[lapis knot]

they asked 27 or ultrawide

[median marsh]

and 1440p is enough in my experience, but i'm old and should probably wear glasses

[lapis knot]

I agree ultrawides kinda suck

32 is like basically a television

[devout pendant]

So in your opinion 27inch and 2k is good enough

[median marsh]

yea, if you don't game much, 27" and a 2nd screen is a good pick imho

if you mean 2540x1440px by 2k, then yea

[lapis knot]

I own a 27" and it's almost too big lol

[median marsh]

but that's my personal opinion

[lapis knot]

I also have 1440p

[median marsh]

if you are really confused you might go to a store, check them out and buy one there

[lapis knot]

agreed

[median marsh]

that way you see what you get

[lapis knot]

you could go to a physical store and find out what you like

if not I suggest not getting an ultrawide or curved

[devout pendant]

Oh glad u mentioned it

Like I am using laptop so can I connect my monitor on my laptop

[lapis knot]

look cat for scale ignore the socks and beat up chair

this is a 27"

[devout pendant]

Ohh like good for multitasking and all

[lapis knot]

I mean I'd still prefer a 2nd monitor but it got dropped when I was moving

[devout pendant]

Because I use blender and Unreal so I thought of ultrawide would help me

[lapis knot]

and my monitors costed $600 a piece

💀

[devout pendant]

So I should go for this??

2k and 27 inch

[lapis knot]

honestly just read reviews

and know there's differences in panels

HDR is always a bonus

most monitors nowadays should have free sync

also what kind of hardware are you rocking

[devout pendant]

Currently laptop

[lapis knot]

what are the specs?

[devout pendant]

I am planning to build PC

[lapis knot]

just be aware higher resolution requires more vram

and also

when looking for monitors

[devout pendant]

Ohh

[lapis knot]

refresh rate only matters if you can hit said frame rate

Not that it couldn't be a future investment

if you do build a pc

[devout pendant]

So what should I do

I will surely get a pc so looking that I wanna buy a monitor

[lapis knot]

Do you play games a lot?

a good in-between is 1440p / qhd with 120 - 144 refresh rate

[devout pendant]

Not really I want it for work

For unreal and blender

[lapis knot]

here is a good example

[devout pendant]

240 looks nice

[lapis knot]

so imo best for you would probably be a 27" qhd / 1440p monitor with HDR and 144hz refresh rate

[devout pendant]

So can u suggest some monitor

Because there so many companies

[lapis knot]

so keep in mind even if you monitor supports high refresh rate if you don't actually have adequate fps in said game or unreal it will still not be as smooth

[devout pendant]

And I don't know which offers the best quality

[minor veldt]

Just to get another perspective in, I really prefer 32" 4k over 27" 1440p. The extra space is valuable. And 60 Hz is good enough for me.

[lapis knot]

most people with 240hz monitors play at 1080p

[devout pendant]

Ohh

[lapis knot]

it's better for gaming

[devout pendant]

More smooth and and less resolution

[lapis knot]

yes cause you need to hit the fps

to get said frames

high refresh rate means nothing if you don't get high fps

[devout pendant]

Yes

[lapis knot]

ideally take the time to look at monitors at bestbuy

atleast for the visual experience

[devout pendant]

Okay

[lapis knot]

to see what you prefer even if you end up buying online

also I don't really have suggestions

most brands are pretty reputable and you can always read reviews and specifications

on amazon

[devout pendant]

Thanks for clearing my doubt

I was confused with the size

And ultrawide one

Hearing you I can say 27inch is perfect for me

[lapis knot]

you can always return it if you dislike it atleast on Amazon lol

[devout pendant]

Yes

[median marsh]

@tame cargo where in the manual does it say that sata ports get disabled?

i cant find it

[lapis knot]

usually SATA ports get disabled if you're using extra pcie slots

or using nvme ssds

atleast that was my experience on my Asus mobo

[median marsh]

that all depends on the mainboard

and what sata chipset they use, and how they decide to distribute pci ex lanes

[lapis knot]

yeah sometimes there's bios settings

idk each mobo is different

you really only can read the manual

[median marsh]

don't dare to tell anyone to read the manual

that's abuse!

i mean, it's quite possible that 5&6 get disabled if they use a separate chipset

which is quite possible looking at the mainboard layout

but the manual isn't clear about that

[devout pendant]

Should I go for Lg or Philips or other really confusing this is everyone monitor got decent reviews

[median marsh]

or does the B550 chipset have an integrated sata controller? apparently it has 4+2

[lapis knot]

That's cause there's lots of good options lol I really don't know

find a few

[devout pendant]

🥺

[lapis knot]

and read the specifications and compare them

monitor shopping is honestly harder than most things

it took me longer than buying all me PC parts

I never knew there was so much shit to know about them

[devout pendant]

Yes

[median marsh]

i think it's kinda easy if you have the option to look at them in a physical store

compared to other hardware

either you like what you see, or you dont

but our local electronics store here really went down hill in the past years

guess they wont survive amazon much longer

[lapis knot]

yeah even bestbuy has been keeping less in the physical store

[median marsh]

yea, but that store over here used to be neat, now it looks like you are shopping in a warehouse 😄

[lapis knot]

i like shopping in warehouses

[median marsh]

in a messy warehouse*

a warehouse can be neat, too. yea

but same happened to a lot of stores around here 😭

[lapis knot]

how do you beat Amazon though

[median marsh]

you can't

[lapis knot]

it's like impossible to compete with their sales too

[median marsh]

indeed, and for most of things it's reasonable

amazon is probably just more efficient in every matter

their warehouses probably look better than shops these days 😄

yea there are some videos on YT, they are really advanced

automated a lot of stuff

[devout pendant]

my laptop is missing one screw and found it in China's shopee for 2 bucks. The thing is, the shipment costs > price to buy.

[median marsh]

not only your laptop if you really consider ordering a screw

is it essential? if it's just one of many to hold the case together it might not be that bad

[frank glade]

Replace it with one from another piece of hardware?

[median marsh]

if it's one which has another similar in there, get the similar out to get an idea of the ideal length

it can probably be a bit shorter, but wouldn't risk to put in a longer one

[devout pendant]

#instructions

[restive notch]

Is it possible to run lutris on steam to run a game

I’m after 007 bloodstone

On my steamdeck

[devout pendant]

RTX 3070 is freakin good

compared to 1070 my FPS doubled but not only that. No matter how many meshes I add it did not dropped

later my end pc will be 4090 24 GB, 16 cores proc, 64 GB ram, 2 TB Samsung ssd

till than this will be fine 🙂

[devout pendant]

https://www.redferret.net/the-logitech-mouse-double-click-problem-and-how-to-fix-it/ had to do this again

[median marsh]

we all had to do this

and still i buy that shit

[frigid heath]

i use a drakonia sharkoon

its allready a really wide mouse.. wish it was a tad more wide tho

[devout pendant]

I was going crazy thinking it was happening more often inside unreal

[fluid kernel]

24 cores will be ideal, and 128gb of Ram if your going to really do some complex fractures. I have your ideal setup but with 24core cpu and thensome. but with 64gb of ram. To do some really gnarly stuff in engine, Its not enough. (ddr5 ram even)

though for 90% of your work flow 64gb of ram will be enough. But the 24core cpu really helps out, the i9-13900kf is an absolute monster for compiling shaders. Effortlessly and quickly compiles 2k+ shaders probably takes about 30seconds

[fluid kernel]

While this is accurate it also depends on what the actual animation FPS is

[pseudo brook]

3080ti or 3090 for ue5?

[spice girder]

3090, because has more vram

[pseudo brook]

thank u

[devout pendant]

if I buy a desktop, is it a waste to have integrated gpu?

[grizzled zinc]

Not sure how old this is but good to see they also make good use of Xeons from around 2011

They use Sandy Xeons because of ECC?

[devout pendant]

server cpu also supports more ram than desktop cpu

[grizzled zinc]

fair enough

four memory channels is nice

I have 64GB with 16GB per DIMM on an E5-1680 v2 desktop.

ECC is supported on more Ryzen boards than I thought

[grizzled zinc]

On my RX 580, UE editor immediately uses all 4GB of graphics RAM, how much video memory is recommended?

[devout pendant]

if I buy a desktop with a cpu with igpu, can the igpu boost performance or is it just wasting power?

[grizzled zinc]

it does not boost performance

[devout pendant]

I was thinking about using the igpu to process physics or something like that. I remember that DX12 allowed for multi gpu processing

[grizzled zinc]

maybe

[grizzled zinc]

In that case I might just put a 6700 XT or something in in the X9SRA desktop and use that for Unreal

[median marsh]

it's really really old, and i doubt that they still buy that kind of workstations

as said, every ryzen has ECC support and outperforms those xeons by a margin

[devout pendant]

maximum

[unkempt pelican]

Around at least 12 is recommended. You can turn down the engine scalability settings to make it more usable for now

[fallen oasis]

12gb+

[grizzled zinc]

where is that, still a total noob and started yesterday

[unkempt pelican]

In the main editor, on the top right corner, there should be a settings drop-down that has a tab for engine scalability settings

Quick question, if I want to use the all available threads to compile, do I need 1.5gigs * number of threads or number of physical cores?

I thought it was threads but I noticed it compares it to physical cores instead

[median marsh]

1.5gb/thread (is a rule of thumb)

[grizzled zinc]

Does Unreal need AVX? May consider using a dual socket machine but it has Westmere Xeons which did not get AVX yet.

probably swap the board for a KCMA-D8 which Opteron Piledriver has support for those instructions if it benefits from AVX

[fallen oasis]

For what purpose, exactly?

[grizzled zinc]

Compilation, map editing

[fallen oasis]

Do you intend to compile the engine source on a daily basis?

Dual sockets seem a bit extreme.

[grizzled zinc]

Not really, I just have the parts on hand already

[fallen oasis]

Install ue5 and test it then. 🙂

Probably quicker than actually getting an answer about AVX

[grizzled zinc]

Might swap out the dual-socket machine's board anyway since I could not get IOMMU working on the current board which is important for getting GPU acceleration on guest VMs

Matter of getting Windows on it

actually, the editor supports Linux afaik

[grizzled zinc]

alright, nice, I'm used to Source engine so visual quality is not really a priority

[grizzled zinc]

time to bring that thing to 128GB

[unkempt pelican]

That’s server memory

And ddr3

[wind egret]

If you can fit 128 gigs of ddr3 you're probably on a server motherboard

[serene dome]

It's been talked about in a few scrolls up...

[grizzled zinc]

@unkempt pelican @wind egret This is a Supermicro X9SRA which does support Registered ECC

Already have a 8x8 kit in the KCMA-D8

[devout pendant]

checked the prices. AM5 platform, DDR5 and PCI5 are too expensive. I'll have to go for AM4, DDR4 and PCI4.

[devout pendant]

would it be a bad idea to expend more on AM5, DDR5 and use the integrated graphics, saving some $ by not using a discrete GPU?

[grizzled zinc]

... well, that was a painful last five hours with server hardware

[unkempt pelican]

For unreal, probably. I would rather stick to ddr4, and get more ram or put it into the gpu

[grizzled zinc]

seconded, much better with a dedicated GPU

[devout pendant]

I was thinking on adding a GPU later

[unkempt pelican]

Well, I have not used unreal with an igpu and I don't there are any benchmarks for that at Puget, so you'll have to test to find out

I don't expect it to work well though

[devout pendant]

I already came to conclude that it's not worth it. Every hardware gets outdated with time, buying the latest gen for the sake of being the latest gen means spending more

[devout pendant]

Ryzen 5 5600X, 550W PSU, 16GB DDR4 3200MHZ, Asus MB, 5600 RX 6GB, SSD 512GB, Monitor, cabinet, fans, cooler. That's more or less it. Unless I buy second hand parts or some miracle happens, a high end setup is too expensive.

[devout pendant]

with DDR4 being cheap I could go for 32GB

[unkempt pelican]

Is there a point in getting a K intel cpu if I don't plan on overclocking? This is for unreal and I'm thinking either the 12600 or the 12700.

[devout pendant]

found out what causes huge lag in UE. Open one asset in the editor and that's a huge performance drain

[stone olive]

I am curious as to where the difference of 700 dollars...

[devout pendant]

it cost more to get one sooner, none of them is available right now so do not take the chance.

[spice girder]

expensive color difference

[serene dome]

You may want to check the full spec on their website for the subtle differences... majority of the cost difference is likely due to the Titan's mini-LED screen

[grizzled zinc]

second hand saves a lot of money

[frigid heath]

.3 inch 😛

[devout pendant]

there are some chinese brands selling RTX 3000 for like half the price? Wtf? how do they do that?

[median marsh]

by loading fake firmware on old GPUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZ32mqmsrg

[devout pendant]

https://jieshuoshenzhen.aliexpress.com/store/1100009114

the company is real and they sell a lot

[median marsh]

ok, show me a review of those cards

if they are real

[fallen oasis]

What the fuck.

Why does a website not from the 90s have music?

[wind egret]

It's a video on autoplay

[median marsh]

3060 with 6GB is sus to begin with

they could be using laptop gpu's

and then it's questionable how well they really perform (even with proper cooling)

[devout pendant]

is dual bios a safety measure or just something to make the board more expensive?

[wind egret]

both

[median marsh]

also it shouldn't change much on the actual price

[fallen oasis]

Bad website is bad.

[devout pendant]

so, it seems that the low price is not exactly a scam as in selling a GPU with fake bios. But second hand, rebranded and/or some coating to hide that it was used for mining or that it's not brand new

[wind egret]

They plainly said "refurbished".

[devout pendant]

oh dang! Forgot that if I buy a new desktop with no brand, what about the OS? Windows for the end user is much more expensive than windows for OEM

[grizzled zinc]

don't actually have to pay full or anything for Windows nowadays

[unkempt pelican]

So this might be dumb question, but I'm putting together a PC for the first time. If my mobo has 4 usb front io slots, but my case only has two, then those slots are useless, right?

[wind egret]

Each USB front header supports two USB slots, so that could be interesting. They can be useful, but not for your case. E.g. An rgb device inside of the case, or an expansion card that uses a usb header for some inconceivable reason.

[unkempt pelican]

I see

What are some cases that prioritize airflow and enough front io? I'm not really interested in rgb and I'm going for a MSI PRO z690-A mobo.

[wind egret]

If you have 3.5" expansion slots (a la DVD drives) there are front usb slot expanders you can place in there.

[unkempt pelican]

So when it says it has these many front io ports, does it mean I need a case with 4 io slots to use them all?

4 Type A and 1 Type C?

[median marsh]

you dont need to, it's an optional thing

[grizzled zinc]

headers are there for other things too

I pulled a USB header flash drive out of a point of sale system once

[devout pendant]

how is this possible? Sites selling windows keys for cheap. Like, 10x cheaper than the box

[median marsh]

most likely selling keys that are supposed to be used by OEMs for installations on systems before sale

[devout pendant]

"original key" 80, COEM 800. Local currency

[devout pendant]

thermal paste, one costs 12 the other 99 and there is one for 125. Huge difference

[north arch]

COEM, it's not a private individual key

[grizzled zinc]

Is the 5800X3D much of an upgrade to a 5600?

not sure if I should put money to workstation upgrades or server upgrades

[devout pendant]

8 cores + L3 vs 6 cores no L3

I think 12 cores CPU is better than having L3?

[grizzled zinc]

Thinking more about single-core performance

[devout pendant]

maybe higher ghz is better

[grizzled zinc]

EPYC Rome and Supermicro H11/H12 prices have gone down a lot within the last six months... server stuff has been due for an upgrade for a while

[devout pendant]

is HDR and high quality screen important for modelling and level design?

[grizzled zinc]

not really

Done it before on a Dell LCD monitor from 2006

[serene dome]

Depends on what you'll be using it for and what you consider to be of an upgrade. In the scope of this server, the answer to that question is likely to be "not really," at least based on benchmarks done by Puget.

[grizzled zinc]

for single core or multi-core workloads like Unreal?

[devout pendant]

I'm checking the chipsets. X570 is the top

I don't need PCIe 4.0

[serene dome]

For both considering for single core it's just 100 MHz higher and more cache (which doesn't really translate to higher gains in UE relevant workflows) and for multi-core the 2C/4T does help but not significantly so...

[grizzled zinc]

Depending on what it is used for, most likely X570 would not be needed

[devout pendant]

there is a considerable price gap between X570 and B550

Also, was looking for the USB4 specs but I wouldn't transfer terabytes of data likely ever

is realtek audio a real audio processor?

[grizzled zinc]

just the vendor of the audio chip

[devout pendant]

Ryzen 3600 is one gen older than 5600, same core count. Maybe save some $$ by going for an older cpu?

[spice girder]

the lowest spec pc I would buy/build
CPU: Ryzen 5700/7700
RAM: 32 GB
GPU: RTX 3060 12GB VRAM
PSU: 1000W GOLD
Storage: 1TB M.2 SSD (Kingston Seagate or Samsung )

With that I feel like I would get a good compromise of price and PC Power to get the thing done and be able to upgrade individual parts if/when needed without replacing everything.

[grizzled zinc]

Depending on country, going for 5600 (Zen 3) over 3600 (Zen 2) is worth the extra cost

[marble nebula]

I have Ryzen 5 3600 with 16 GB Ram and RTX 3700 Ti, I think it's time to upgrade as my setup couldn't handle the city simple project! Do you think Ryzen 7 7700 or 5 7600 will be a good choice since I'm not thinking about upgrading my gpu?

[median marsh]

i think the gpu is your main bottleneck

considering that it only has 8GB VRAM

and as you are on AM4 i would rather consider an 5900/5950x and more memory, if you really dont want to upgrade the GPU for whatever reason...

[spice girder]

you main main bottleneck is the 16 GB memory. Going AMD Ryzen 9 and 32 or 64 GB memory is probably the way to go for you.

[median marsh]

i rather think the GPU is the main issue

the demo requires ~12GB vram

otherwise it starts streaming stuff in/out which is bad for performance

or even worse it starts to use system memory

[marble nebula]

the reason why I'm not going to change it (for the moment), is because its price dropped down and I am not considering getting a new one yet

I'm thing about 4000 series, but not now

[marble nebula]

does that make it smoother?

or for unreal engine in general?

[median marsh]

that depends

load the demo and check what is bottlenecking

the task manager should show you memory usage

[marble nebula]

Alright, I will do it now!

[spice girder]

that is what the docs of the city sample project say:

https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.1/en-US/city-sample-project-unreal-engine-demonstration/

[marble nebula]

seems like it's related to my cpu and memory!

that's good for me, since I'm not considering replacing my gpu!

[marble nebula]

I'm going to upgrade the whole kit, because I'm going to give this to my brother and he has GTX 1060. I'll just keep my gpu!

I was thinking about i7 12700k, but I heard that Ryzen is good for unreal engine

[frank glade]

if you're getting a new MB just get 13th gen intel

[marble nebula]

My budget is limited, I'm trying to pick what I can

this won't be my final upgrade, Rtx 4000 and new gen cpu are planned

[marble nebula]

I think you are right, this right after hitting play

it's frozen now

[frank glade]

yes but 13600k is faster than the 12700k (and cheaper at least here)

[marble nebula]

does it work with older rams?

[frank glade]

Yes, you can get a ddr4 board

[marble nebula]

Oh, that's cool

[marble nebula]

low settings

after trying to switch to medium. I think memory is the main issue

thank you so much guys for your time 😊

[obtuse rapids]

Should I expect a 10th gen i9 10850k to bottleneck a 4090?

Use case would be 4k VR

or thereabouts

[median marsh]

that depends on a lot of things

if you throw a lot of singlecore load on it, it'll most likely bottleneck

[devout pendant]

So Asus have ROG and TUF

[median marsh]

see, you would be better off telling your budget, and ask if someone can throw you together some system

[devout pendant]

currency conversion, I'd say around 840$

[median marsh]

for which parts?

[devout pendant]

all

[median marsh]

full desktop with mouse/keyboard/screen?

[devout pendant]

no keyboard and mouse, already have

[median marsh]

and you want to use it for unreal or primary gaming?

[grizzled zinc]

Is the 6700 XT good for general use and Unreal? AMD drivers are easier on Linux

[median marsh]

that's not true

also a few people in #linux which bought AMD went back to nvidia because it worked better overall

[grizzled zinc]

huh, from my experience it has been different, maybe since the cards I have been using are so old

Unreal is fine on AMD though?

[median marsh]

are you using unreal with amd on linux?

[grizzled zinc]

Unreal on Windows but general use on Linux since dualboot

[median marsh]

so you dont

[grizzled zinc]

no

[devout pendant]

is there a way to compare asus motherboards on a single table?

[devout pendant]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-cw7A2MDHPvA-oB3OKXivdUo9BbTcsss1Rzy3J4hRyA/edit#gid=2112472504 yes somebody table a spreadsheet with 400+ models

[unkempt pelican]

Is a 12600k enough for shader compilation and building source code? I have seen the benchmarks on puget, but I'm not sure if jumping ahead to a 13600k is worth it. I'm budget constrained

[frank glade]

it's only 20-30$ more expensive depending on the shop

[devout pendant]

is UE's source code heavy to compile?

[fallen oasis]

Very

[spice girder]

you are probably better of asking people what they would buy for PC parts within your budget and for your use case. And ask why they pick what they pocked, so you can learn

[fallen oasis]

He said he had no budget the other day.

[stone olive]

Because the desktop is very troublesome for me, I may move frequently in the future, so I want to buy a 40-series laptop. I am not interested in overclocking, but I need performance and durability. I want to choose a brand with less chance of failure. I seem to be unable Find the repair rate of notebooks from various manufacturers...According to your experience, or the people around you, which brand is reliable?

“Durability”..I means that it is not easy to get problem and needed to be repair..

[nimble mica]

finally found from tiny experimentation, that tho my gtx 950 is OLD ish, the rx6600 non xt card I just6 got- gpu is timing OUT, where the gtx i put back in just now is not, with just 2gb gpu ram its hanging in there

should I got with rtx 260 or gtx 3060

really sad about rx card, it was a great price, but its NOT holding up under real world

@alex Id go msi

Ive had this same msi gtx 950 2gb which now is OLD ashills for ue, but its HOLDING up decently, ive had it 5 or so years andits kicking :))

ive used it with various mtb's, and its never failed meand iove put it through a LOT, tho never overclocking

[stone olive]

thank you for shareing

[nimble mica]

yw ;L)👌

the new rx6600, to me anywsay, is msi, but its amd andits just not stable

close, but I need perfection like the gtx has been all along-

also an msi as noted

[median marsh]

3060 has 12GB VRAM which is pretty good in that class

[nimble mica]

yup

[vagrant anvil]

it will compile shaders and source code no problem, you'll just have to be patient. I've worked on much worse CPUs. just plan around lunch breaks 😆

[north arch]

so, you're saying don't plan on "compile and see if it works" workflows?

[vagrant anvil]

I'm just saying it will just take longer to see if you use a slower CPU. It wasn't all that long ago that a 10 core/16 thread CPU would have been a dream to developers, so the 12600k is capable, even if there are significantly faster options.

[nimble mica]

and beware if you are inclined to, assumingh I see this clearly, haven't thought about such things for sometime, but anyway having said that, it has onboard gpu which you are paying for assuming you are looking at one that has this, not sure how much one without would be, but it might be worth checking out- if you have no desire to use an onboard gpu which I suspect you don't.

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-12600k-core-i5-12th-gen/p/2MN-0004-008B4?Description=12600K&cm_re=12600K-_-2MN-0004-008B4-_-Product

again not sure, out of my league recently but my ryzen 5 3600 seems fairely close to this aned Idont have a onboard gpu,working great overall for what I need atm, and was < $180 I think

new now from $130

if you are on a 'budget' that may make a big diff. to amd intel war here btw.

no ...as in

[vagrant anvil]

I only look at onboard GPU as backup. day to day its of no use, but if your main GPU dies, at least you can still get into your computer. but if you aren't worried, or have an old spare gpu, its not a bad way to save some money

[nimble mica]

of course

the intel is faster no doubt,but its also twice the price

and onboard gpu is going to be useless for a dev

short of emergency browsing ;)))

anyway things to consider, given your budget or not ;))

[vagrant anvil]

oh, I should have clarified, I just meant I was comparing the exact same CPU, just with or without iGPU. going between Intel and AMD just ads a lot more things to consider

[nimble mica]

or if you're only into 2d , mightnot matter

gotcha no worries

[devout pendant]

according to the docs, UE takes 40 minutes to compile with a six core cpu

I was expecting many hours with a quad core

I'm not buying a PC to work with the engine. It was just that I thought that a whole game engine would require some serious hardware to compile

[mighty cosmos]

that must be some outdated docs because on my 5950x with 32 threads it takes me right around 40 minutes

with a 6 core cpu you are looking at around 1.5-2 hours for UE5

[fallen oasis]

UE compilation time has gone up like 50% from 5.0 to 5.3

[meager escarp]

A 5995WX takes 14 minutes to compile from source. A 13900KS does it in 22 minutes. 7950X does it in 24 minutes. Having 32GB only reduces the compilation performance to 30 minutes with these (1.5GB per core needs to be free). Back in the days of 4.x (4.25-4.27) it was taking about 5 minutes on the same 5995WX so effectively it went up 200% with 5.x.

[fallen oasis]

I'd love an uprade to a 5995WX. I only have a 3975WX 😦

Not worth like £5k for a couple of minutes on compile time, though.

[fallen oasis]

Just compiled 5.3 in 660.6s! Not so bad.

[meager escarp]

"5.3"? You mean dev-main stream? They call it 5.3 in the tag?
11 minutes for it is nice, but unusually fast. That's without NDA platforms, right? Way too fast for 3975WX for a full rebuild.

[fallen oasis]

Just the latest /ue5/main

And, yes, without NDA platforms

3600 or so actions.

Quite honestly it may not have been a full rebuild, it seems like it's quite a few actions short.

I just hadn't updated in a while so it recompiled a lot of it.

Though I'm sure I did a clean, too, so that would have gotten rid of any previously compiled stuff.

shrug

[meager escarp]

Ohh, 6400 or so actions is a full engine with all the platforms. The 3600 fully explains the difference.

[fallen oasis]

Yeah screw that. 😛

[meager escarp]

Now, how long would that run on a Mac... 😄

[fallen oasis]

Why would you ever build the entire engine, though?

So many people build the entire solution for no reason

[meager escarp]

You need to do it if you build from source, have engine plugins to build, etc.
You don't have public version of the engine for NDA consoles.

[fallen oasis]

But you don't need to build all the plugins.

[meager escarp]

Build em all, let scheduler sort em out.

[fallen oasis]

😛

Oh man, I'm currently doing a clang build for extra errors that nobody cares about and this room is getting very hot.

[meager escarp]

Sometimes you need to rebuild due to version mismatches too.

Using Clang 15?

[fallen oasis]

ye

[meager escarp]

I'm over here in Cali and we have it a bit chilly at this hour (7AM).

[fallen oasis]

It's like 3pm here and it's still chilly.

(London)

[meager escarp]

I'm used to daily 70°F (20°C).

My Threadripper is extremely cool itself, but it nicely heats the room.

[fallen oasis]

It's a lovely 49F right now. (9C)

Yeah, I have the heating off in this room.

My dad has some stupid 70" plasma tv that heats his entire flat/apartment.

[meager escarp]

Full load building at 4.3GHz reaches about 75°C and thankfully it takes only about 15 minutes to build it all.

Oh yes, Panny plasmas! 🙂

You stand next to it and get sunburn.

[fallen oasis]

Hah exactly!

[meager escarp]

Had one of those. Lasted much longer than OLEDs.

[fallen oasis]

I feel clang is not destroying my system enough. Max temp about 80 and max mem usage about 44% - it's using 62 processes.

[devout pendant]

wit it taking so much time to compile. In case you are developing something, that's like one or two compiles per day at most?

[fallen oasis]

You rarely compile the entire engine unless you have a very good reason.

Like even if you want to stay on the bleeding edge you might do it once or twice a week.

It doesn't take very long to compile just your own project.

Unfortunately with the amount of times /main doesn't compile, doing it every day is probably a bad idea!

[meager escarp]

Do you have a good resource on how to do this new minimum compilation thing? One that explains in detail the system.
I had UE4 at my university last year, but we never touched that part and the internet seems a bit scarce on the topic.

You've said main is 5.3? Where did 5.2 go? 5.1.1 is the latest public and stable.

[fallen oasis]

New minimum compilation thing?

Not sure that's really new.

You just don't build the engine. You build your project while it's associated with your source build and it will only build the things your project needs.

Never build the engine directly unless you don't have a project!

[meager escarp]

I'm talking about when making your project includes. There is a new way of defining modules in 5.0 or newer.

[fallen oasis]

The IWYU stuff?

[median marsh]

IWYU isn't new tho!? (or was that only added in 5.x?)

[fallen oasis]

On Epic's perforce, main is now 5.3 and 5.2 has its own stream.

I'm not sure I've heard about a new way to make modules then.

[meager escarp]

You have access to Perforce? Big company licensee?

[fallen oasis]

Company I work for is a 3rd party contractor.

[meager escarp]

I get the engine source from our company server, don't have direct access. Only Github.

[fallen oasis]

I'd love to be using github again.

Perforce is terrible. 😦

[meager escarp]

Why?

I've heard gamedevs love Perforce.

[fallen oasis]

Artists might. For coders, it's just a pain in the arse.

[meager escarp]

Never used it at company, I guess for the better. They use it extensively at uni and I was forced to.

[fallen oasis]

Well, it's valuable experience, I suppose.

[meager escarp]

Hardware channel, let's not disrupt it and get banned. 🙂
So, I need 96 GB of memory if I am to use Unreal on Mac? 🙂

[fallen oasis]

Why would you ever use a Mac for game dev?!

[meager escarp]

To do it on the go? I'm a student and live in two places, SoCA and NoCA, travel a lot in the Summer and need it portable. No Windows laptop is usable on battery.

[karmic trout]

Hi guys

I read somewhere that people use Mac only to package and publish games for iOS but development is done entirely in Windows PC.

Why is that?

And what's your thoughts on using Mac as a main development PC?

[devout pendant]

are there battery addons to expand the laptop's internal battery?

[meager escarp]

Windows laptops are heavy already as they are. Considering they are faster on battery than Windows laptops, why not develop on them?

[fallen oasis]

Get a GhostBusters backpack with it's small nuclear reactor...

[astral robin]

Anyone using an Intel Arc A770 GPU? How good is it for UE5? I'm currently looking to upgrade from a GTX 1060 6GB to something with quite a bit more VRAM and I've been hearing a lot of good things about the A770 lately.

[plush frigate]

hey guys i have a question for the people that works in the 3d industry (more for the 3d modellers) what pc specs do you have? Because i want to upgrade my pc because i have an 1050ti and 16gb of ram at 2400mhz and an i5 10400 and a lot of times i feel the lack of ram and gpu, i started to work and gain money doing 3d so i want to upgrade my pc, i have time to save money so i dont have a limit money to spend would be just more time to wait but i dont know buying a 4090 is worthit or with a 3080 is enought? i should buy ddr5 ram or ddr4 with high speed and 32gb is enought? would be worth to buy an new entire pc with a new better processor aswell? any one knows?

[devout pendant]

I'm going to sotp using firefox.... for some reason it's closing without any error messages, specially during youtube play

I added 8GB of RAM, 4GB soldered + 8GB. I don't think this is causing firefox and discord to randomly close for no reason

[median marsh]

didn't you buy the memory cheap from some weirdo vendor? might be worth to run a memory check

[feral crane]

Has anyone tried Windows Surface for Unreal dev?

[north arch]

that sounds like a miserable experience

[cosmic root]

Bought parts for a new pc, Ryzen 9 7950x, 32gb ddr5 upgrading to 64gb 1tb ssd, 4tb hdd, have an RTX 2060 but getting something better. Should these do for UE5.? Thinking 4070 ti or 4080 but would I need a card of this price?

[unkempt pelican]

You might run into VRAM issues depending on what you're doing but otherwise this looks good. You should ensure you have enough RAM for all your threads (1.5gigs per thread) and get a GPU with more VRAM if yours starts giving you trouble

[devout pendant]

RTX 2060 12GB? or the 6GB?

[blazing shard]

More vram more better

[grizzled zinc]

for nearly 7K would an EPYC be better?

[grizzled zinc]

wish I could actually afford that

When I could someday, I may do dual 75F3, assuming that the 7003 series isn't like ten years old by then

[hoary lintel]

which platform is best to look up to see which mainboard is compatible with my ryzen 7 and is capable of ddr5 ?

[median marsh]

i don't think that ryzen 7 supports DDR5 on any board

unless you mean a ryzen 7xxx, which all require DDR5

[hoary lintel]

thats what i wanted to look up yeah shit

different question, i watched some youtubers switch to arc for gaming
does anybody here have experience with Arc and UE?

[unkempt pelican]

Nanite and Lumen require amd/nvidia gpus for now

[devout pendant]

are the intel arc drivers still falling behind the competition?

Intel's RT seems to be better than AMD's RDNA2

[devout pendant]

https://community.intel.com/t5/Graphics/DirectX-12-on-Fortnite-no-longer-supported-on-Intel-graphics/m-p/1435524

[median marsh]

banana hardware

which leads to "we are the fastest, but when you can use it stable the concurrency will have released competing products which are as good"

[lone sand]

Gm

I'm struggling choosing the right CPU for my new PC

Which one is best ? Intel or AMD ?

i 9 12900k , i9 13900k or maybe the Ryzen 9 7xxx series

[fallen oasis]

It's largely irrelevant if you go amd or intel.

[devout pendant]

https://pastebin.com/FCwMg6e6 these are my options

[spice girder]

if you go intel look at contact frames for better cooling and no bending of the IHS because uneven cooling pressure

[devout pendant]

checked i5-12400 and DDR5. If I do that and to keep the same budget, the only way is to swap the RTX 2060 for GTX 1660 or RX 5600. Or even lower, GTX 1060 / RX 560

[lone sand]

Thank you 😊

[obtuse rapids]

I thought 128 GB of DD5 might be overkill - but since I've got my new machine online and project loaded up (a big project) I've been doing things like editing structures/data tables, and though it hung up a few times for a few seconds, it has yet to crash. No one will convince me it's not related (I was using 64 gb before)

[vestal tundra]

PCIE3 vs PCIE4 NVME drives? Or just speed in general. I can get a good bit more storage for the same price with cheaper slower drives, but I'm not sure how much of an impact that would be vs the faster ones

[lyric shard]

you reading large sequential files? or stuff like small textures 1000s of times over?

[vestal tundra]

No idea, really. Just normal UE5 solo makin game stuffs. So it probably isn't really that big of a deal?

[lyric shard]

for simple tasks for normal use cases, its VERY rare to see an actual differance in the speed, unless reading very large sequential data

ALTHOUGH, if direct storage becomes a thing it would be better to have the capability of that (which is PCIE4 NVME only)

but in the current climate they are interchangeable

[vestal tundra]

You're absolutely right. I totally forgot my whole reason for even downloading UE5 in the first place, lol

It was to play with that kinda stuff

[agile lodge]

some say workstation like pro way with intel xeon W with nvidia rtx A6000 with nvlink connected 5 could be great ue5 machine

[left solar]

Hey guys, if you have 3950x then what RAM do you use? Interested in knowing your RAM frequency, volume and CL

[fallen oasis]

You want roughly 1.5gb per thread +10gb or so if you want to compile effectively.

[left solar]

per physical thread?

I have 32GB 2600Mhz but I am planning an upgrade to 3200/3600 CL14/CL16

[fallen oasis]

Per virtual core, not physical.

[left solar]

so knowing peoples' configurations is super beneficial not to fuck up 😄

[fallen oasis]

You'll see a benefit to that upgrade, for sure, but it might not be as earthshattering as you'd hope. 😛

[vagrant anvil]

the ram frequency doesn't make much difference in the editor. Just going from 32gb to 64 could help with larger projects, or if you have tons of things open at a time

like two or more chrome tabs 😆

[left solar]

Yeah, I know, it is more like a QoL update, plus I'm doing some pretty extensive rendering these days (Path Tracing + 5.1.1) so my RAM is being quickly eaten by the engine..

to be honest, bringing a ton of hig-res content (what archvis studios do these days in 5.0/5.1) leads to memory overflow super easily. Just try to render their stuff using Path Tracing and you are doomed 😄

so.. maybe not a QoL upgrade lol

[vagrant anvil]

what GPU?

[left solar]

RTX2070

yeah, I need to upgrade that too xD

it is holding for now

[vagrant anvil]

yeah, the 8GB VRAM is tight when doing that stuff

[left solar]

I am negotiating RTX3090 with my client 😄 😄 I hope I win this game

Do you guys have any benchmark data towards compiling source 5.0/5.1 using 3950x and 32/64 GB RAM + fast SSD from the scratch?

[vagrant anvil]

nothing that specific. working on updating my benchmarks to 5.1

[fallen oasis]

You're probably looking at something like 30m if you have 64gb of ram. Maybe 45m with 32? That's a massive guestimate.

[left solar]

Maybe 45m with 32?
I think I had smth like 1-2 hours in the past

with current setup

[fallen oasis]

Damn. the 3950X is worse than I thought!

I thought the 16 cores would be better.

[left solar]

I think it is still okay for most cases but single core performance definitely sucks

3950X -> it is 16 physical cores

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. 32 threads.

Hence the guestimate!

[left solar]

You're probably looking at something like 30m if you have 64gb of ram
This sounds way too unreal/fast to me with 5.0/5.1 even having 16 cores and a ton of RAM + fast SSD. I think the engine grew quite a lot when talking about 4.27 -> 5.0 transition.

Is that something you currently have with you setup though?

[fallen oasis]

I have a 3975WX and a lot of ram and it takes about 15m.

Well, it took about 11 minutes last compile actually, for about 3600 actions. They've done some optimising since 5.1 it seems.

[left solar]

oh, that is 32 cores though, I wish I had invested into such cpu 2-3 years ago too 😄

[fallen oasis]

I've had it for about a year. No regrets.

[vagrant anvil]

my day to day system is a 5950X, sometimes I get annoyed at shaders. but I'm also jumping between projects often, messing with settings, etc causing them to recompile couple times a day

[fallen oasis]

Dang.

Apparently the 6000 series AMD cards got some sort of monumental 40% ray tracing boost with the latest drivers.

[sinful thicket]

That's not a full build.

[fallen oasis]

If you're doing a "full build" of the engine, you're probably doing it wrong.

There's rarely ever a need to build the entire solution.

[sinful thicket]

None of that is relevant. When he said 1-2 hours for compiling the source that's what he was referring to.

So doesn't make sense to compare it to a time for a half build.

[fallen oasis]

It should be relevant. You don't ever wanna do it. :/

[fallen oasis]

5.2 entire solution: 32:36 / ue5 project (no project) [6203]: 22:13 / our project [3249(~400)]: 14:51 (this is all that's required)
5.3 entire solution: 22:26 / ue5 project (no project) [5992]: 14:24 / our project [3701(~400)]: 10:18 (this is all that's required)

Just a comparison on compile times in various scenarios.

Never compile the entire solution or the whole ue5 project.

[vagrant anvil]

interesting. I'll have to do some tests (if I can find the time). In just rasterized, they are so good, a bump to RT would be great.

I work with some people the recompile every day. of course its a huge studio doing nightly builds and a bunch of automation on some servers after hours.

[fallen oasis]

Even so, it's a waste of money to build what you don't need, even if you don't care about the time because it's overnight!

[vestal tundra]

Putting together a new build and am between a few parts. I feel like the 7950x would be just as good as a 7950x3d (and a bit cheaper), especially if I properly tune ram.

32gb of Hynix M-die seems okay, but some say that 64gb would be better to have, not sure on if it's that big of a deal or not

VRAM and memory bandwidth on the 4070ti scares me, but I'm not sure if that's really an issue or not

[median marsh]

for dev work i would pick an 3090(TI) over an 4070

but that depends on your project, if you only do simple stuff you might be fine with 12GB VRAM for a while

[devout pendant]

is there a huge difference between headphones and speakers regarding P2 x USB x BT ?

[fallen oasis]

The "issue" with speakers will be they need power. That can either be from USB, batteries or a wall socket.

Other than that there's like no difference.

[knotty gorge]

I'm kinda dumb when it comes to PC parts and stuff and I'm planning to upgrade my PC in a few months. I'm thinking of upgrading from an Intel i7-8700k to an Intel i7-13700k, and from a 1080Ti to a 4090 and was wondering how substantial the difference will be in terms of doing stuff in Unreal Engine. Does UE primarily utilize the CPU for doing things in the viewport?

I mostly just do level art stuff.

[fallen oasis]

CPU will be for things like physics and cpu-based lightmass.

GPU for rendering.

[knotty gorge]

Thank you

[sinful thicket]

Never say never.

[fallen oasis]

Never!

[vestal tundra]

What else is my PC supposed to do while I sleep?

[fallen oasis]

Power down to save the earth?

[frank glade]

You sleep it sleeps, only fair

[lapis knot]

lol i just leave mine on but monitor shuts off

[fallen oasis]

When I do that it constantly makes the hardware disconnect/connect sound and never goes to sleep.

[median marsh]

make; echo mem > /sys/power/state

but well, the well advanced superior OS will probably also have an solution for that

[pearl quartz]

Finally fixed my USB problem, turns out there is a limit on how many TT devices you can have on the USB 2.0 bridge. They dont make a USB 3 hub so I went with their SATA one with Mobo sync

[devout pendant]

I began to build my PC. Some parts in local stores, other from China. I can't believe in RTX 3060 from Soyo in Aliexpress. How can this card cost 120$ less in there compared to a local store?

is less VRAM but faster better for UE5? RTX 3060 Ti has a very small price gap to the 12GB version.

at least in USD, in local currency it's absurd for whatever reason

[median marsh]

if you want to release a game in a few years, yea maybe. it may be nice to have a highend card, but keep in mind that your customers probably don't. and the 3090TI imho has currently the better price/value ratio for dev stuff

[devout pendant]

for dev stuff isn't the A series better?

[stiff rampart]

Well the raytracing performance can never be worse than hogwarts legacy 🥲or performance in general

Ah the ubisoft way, show a good looking game and give something different to the people.

[median marsh]

wouldn't you render the trailer anyways with movie renderer?

[stiff rampart]

Transparency is more appreciated by the people at least that's i would want buying anything. Else you get shit on by reviewers hello games style.

Yeah that's what i'd do as well i mean you aren't lying that way, just need a good computer.

[median marsh]

that's why you would render it anyways

also to avoid frame drops and keep a consistent frame rate

gameplay footage is another thing (and people will create it anyways on YT, etc)

[stiff rampart]

Just take hogwarts as an example they did the same

[median marsh]

well, stop preordering games then

[stiff rampart]

No shame in doing so it shows the game at its best

[median marsh]

and wait for reviews

it's no news that games run very different on different hardware

[stiff rampart]

Tbh i'm just joking about it, it's not even too bad on my laptop 3080

[median marsh]

like who?

tell me one company that does that

[stiff rampart]

Just weird the cpu and gpu at 40% while the game is shitting bricks 😂

[stiff rampart]

Yes.

[median marsh]

because then the usual pc nut still can't tell how it would look on their machine

how about releasing a demo, so that people can figure it out themself?

and steam has refund stuff anyways...

i feel like all this drama is either a good marketing campaign, or people really don't have any real problems anymore

[devout pendant]

RTX 3060 Ti from Soyo, with limit on hr is so cheap compared to local stores. I'm seriously considering it over the 12GB version. Is 12GB better for dev?

[stiff rampart]

@silk loom just take good quality screenshots etc, all i was saying is that showing fake graphics is frowned upon (cough "watch dogs 1"). If you just take pictures/render using max settings then that is what the game looks like.

[pearl quartz]

I feel like we need a setting above Ultra called Beast which cant be played with any current hardware

[median marsh]

i feel like a lot of games already cover that with epic/ultra setting

[stiff rampart]

Well if that's your decision.

[pearl quartz]

Maybe but theres usually not a huge visual gain, when you compare a 4090 to a 3090 theres a fair bit of difference in just a single generation. I guess you dont wanna go too far or else you wont get the benefit of rereleasing your game for the next 2 decades

tweak settings menu, rerelease, profit

16K ultra combo thiccscreen

[devout pendant]

so that's it. I'm going to buy Ryzen 5700X without box and cooler from Aliexpress and then a budget cooler from a local store. Just a bit more expensive than 5600 box at a local store

[devout pendant]

Is Ryzen 5800X3D better than having 16 cores compared to Ryzen 5950?

half the cores but with a huge stacked cache is better?

3D cache doesn't matter to compile code?

[mighty cosmos]

not that much where it would be faster than a 5950x

it's the threads that matter more

[fallen oasis]

Threads, memory, ssd

[hoary urchin]

Not sure if someone posted this before but it's important.

These 7 Gb/s M.2 drives are insanely good for UE5 dev. If you have this particular one, you need to apply this firmware update ASAP:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-990-pro-firmware-update-released-ssd-health

[devout pendant]

I'm going to build my PC with Samsung 980

990 is too much

[hoary urchin]

990 is 38% faster than 980. Both are very good options. 👍

Corsair makes some good M.2 drives as well at comparable speed/price.

[devout pendant]

38% faster on what? booting?

[fallen oasis]

Reading and writing probably...

[devout pendant]

loading UE5 takes 3 seconds less?

[devout pendant]

Almost got scammed

lots of fake SAmsung SSDs. Half the price, but they are selling Kingston disguised as Samsung

[devout pendant]

is DDR4 3200 cl22 bad?

[fallen oasis]

Your CL coudl be lower.

[fallen oasis]

A little.

[wind egret]

For an SODIMM it's normal. When you use less power, something has to give. Would be odd for a recently released desktop DIMM.

[median marsh]

980 is also affected by the firmware bug

[devout pendant]

https://www.coolblue.nl/en/advice/compare-the-samsung-980-to-samsung-980-pro.html so the Pro is faster

that's why I'm finding price differences of 90%

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzvF7xZbcaI

[devout pendant]

AMD offers more cores than Intel. To compile shaders, is more cores always better?

[vagrant anvil]

in the case of shaders, usually, but not always. there is a balance between clock speed, IPC, and number of cores. usually, as core count goes up, clock speeds go down. so if the individual cores on Intel's 56-core can compile shaders faster than the individual cores on the 64-core threadripper, they could in theory outperform with fewer cores. However, in my tests they do not, but did get close. https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/intel-xeon-w-3400-content-creation-preview/

[fallen oasis]

You know, I think one of the biggest advantages of those xeons of trs is just the ram spec.

[vagrant anvil]

yep

[fallen oasis]

It does make me wonder how effective it is at running ddr5 4800 with more than 2 sticks, though.

[vagrant anvil]

there are some advantages to the platform as a whole, but pure CPU performance doesn't quite match up to TR yet

[fallen oasis]

That's a shame

[vagrant anvil]

oh, and it wouldn't post with most of our NVIDIA 4000 series gpus. so that was fun

[fallen oasis]

Lol

[vagrant anvil]

on a per core basis, they actually are pretty close to TR. so its good to have some competition to TR again

[fallen oasis]

Why is the balanced performance so much worse on the xeons? Do the TRs just not know what balance means? 😛

[vagrant anvil]

excelent question, wo dont know

its always been the case though

for Unreal, only the 56-core had a difference with balanced vs Performance, and only in shade compile

CPU rendering saw no differences, so we didn't include them on that chart

[fallen oasis]

Odd.

[agile lodge]

https://twitter.com/HybridCooling/status/1628403463016120330

Hybrid Cooling (@HybridCooling)

Waterblock GPU's for Intel® Arc™ A750 and A770

Twitter · Feb 22, 2023, 2:36 PM

[mental timber]

Bit of a question for people here. How are intel ARC GPUs performing with UE5?

[unkempt pelican]

They aren't yet supported for Nanite and Lumen afaik

[north arch]

I've heard games made with UE tend to perform more poorly than expected, and some engine features are non-functional

[devout pendant]

A750 is the same price of RTX 3060 Ti. I'm not going for Intel this time. Their drivers are very much requiring some heavy work

[north arch]

first gen issues

[gleaming yoke]

Noob question incoming: What do you guys use as backup solutions? I'm not in a serious production environment, but I want to develop best practices during my education. Currently I save my project to two harddrives on my PC (one ssd, other HDD) and I plan to start using an external as well. Am I covering all my bases?

[frank glade]

I just stick everything in my onedrive folder (it even has file history, saved me a few times). If it's old I will move it to an external hdd

Chances are 99.99% I will never touch those things again though

[median marsh]

yea but when you hit that 0,01% worst case, you'll be happy to have it 😄

[minor veldt]

The levels of things that can go wrong:

• Primary drive dies, so keep a backup on a second drive. Easy to access.
• Computer dies (Hit by lightning, encrypted by ransomware, stolen, etc), so keep a backup on NAS and a non-connected device such as a USB drive.
• House dies (Fire, flooding, collapse in earthquake, all electronics stolen, etc), so keep a nearby off-site backup such as with a friend or a family member.
• City dies (Meteor strike, military invasion, nuclear power-plant accident, tsunami, volcano eruption, etc.), so keep a backup on a far away site such as OneDrive, Google Drive, rsync.net, Backblaze, etc.

Any worse than that last one and you probably have bigger issues to deal with than your Unreal Engine project.

Not every level is necessary if you have one below it, so the "stick it in a onedrive folder" advice isn't terrible, if you trust the service. And be sure to test-restore your backups from time to time.

[median marsh]

for the offsite backup you can use 2 drives, and when you visit the offsite you swap them

which basically let's you combine it with the NAS/Whatever solution. just go with 2 drives (e.g. 2x 2TB isn't super expensive and should be sufficient for most personal data)

[devout pendant]

can ramsomware attack files stored on a synchronised remote folder?

[median marsh]

yes, especially if it's synchronized

[devout pendant]

lowered the cost of my build a bit. The local store is charging more for the DeepCool CC560 case but they don't include the fans.

https://img.terabyteshop.com.br/produto/g/gabinete-gamer-ninja-folha-rgb-mid-tower-vidro-temperado-atx-sem-fonte-com-3-fans_162290.jpg this one is 25$ less and does include fans

ax vga size is 320mm. Enough for triple fan VGAs

[frank glade]

that's pretty short for today's standards

[devout pendant]

I don't have any plans for high end VGAs longer than 320mm

[frank glade]

https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE-DDR5-Memory---Black/p/CMK96GX5M2B5600C40

it finally happened

[devout pendant]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51GZLOWn8ML._AC_SX679_.jpg this one has a limit of 340mm for the VGA and was more expensive. But I didn't like it.

[spice girder]

the first on has worse air flow for cooling

[devout pendant]

worse?

in any case, the store offers one week to regret and give it back

the first one has a mesh, the second a dragon scale pattern

[spice girder]

sorry I'm wrong. At First it looked to me like transparent plastic

[devout pendant]

the white line in the front appears to be a glass reflection

but it's paint

[devout pendant]

so I bought everything

1230$ with currency conversion

Ryzen 5700x, msi b550m pro vdh, 16 x 2 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX, DeepCool AG300, Thermal Paste Cooler Master, Case with 3 fans, one extra aerocool blue led fan, LG 26 ultrawide, RTX 3060 Ti Soyo, 500GB WD SN570, Corsair CX550W

now I have to wait for the parts

[cinder latch]

16 x 2GB or 2 x 16GB?

lmao

[lapis knot]

I want to see the motherboard

[devout pendant]

Is ultrawide 26 bad?

I haven't bought it yet