hardware

[wind egret]

220?

[west quail]

usd

i forgot to send the link

https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pentium-Quad-Core-Bluetooth-Windows/dp/B08CQCSM7F/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1EKLCTER4E0SV&keywords=laptop%2B4%2Bcores&qid=1672803979&sprefix=laptop%2B4%2Bcore%2Caps%2C97&sr=8-5&th=1

[vivid skiff]

That 128 GB storage probably won't leave you much room for your project

[west quail]

storage isn't a concern I can just buy that

[vivid skiff]

I don't know how much recent version of Unity take up, but I remember Unity 5 took up around 3 GB

Not to mention if you had to branch out to mobile dev, Android SDK can take up much larger space

[west quail]

I can buy usb storage so np

more worried About cpu

[vivid skiff]

Yeah, probably not getting out much from that CPU

I recall Unity 5 at least run on Intel Atom, though even 2D game struggle with its Intel GMA iGPU back then

Surely more recent Unity versions demand more these days

Though I'm sure RPG Maker will still run fine on netbook level potato so that's an option

[west quail]

Godot != RPG Maker

[vivid skiff]

Eh, I assumed you're making top down RPG esque game, just like Undertale (though that game uses Game Maker Studio)

[west quail]

yeah I am but in godot

well just fangames

[vivid skiff]

Then it should be fine, but I don't know the metrics.

tbh Godot's editor turned me off faster than a girl approached by me.

[west quail]

how

[vivid skiff]

I mean, look at this, this thing turned me off fast.

[west quail]

that literally looks like unity and unreal

besides like the file browser

[west quail]

@vivid skiff I found this, but it's some random company I've never heard of before that's based in china: https://a.co/d/4aH2u68

[west quail]

Can anyone help?

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ejgwq7v3c

[devout pendant]

I'm using mypersonalwifi. Every 30 seconds or so it disconnects and reconnects

[north arch]

I'm trying to get godot running on a $70 tablet, but the apk won't sideload

[west quail]

Ask in the Godot server

[north arch]

they can't really provide any help, but if I get it working, we can compare usefulness on tablet vs laptop if you're interested

[west quail]

Is it an exact port? If so then that'd definitely be useful

[north arch]

it is, download's on their website

my phone's aspect ratio makes it almost unusable though, can't exactly make the windows resize without a mouse

[west quail]

only poor people can do that /j

[devout pendant]

changed mypersonalwifi from NAT to bridge. Now it seems stable. It was reconnecting every 10s

[agile lodge]

ok something for screens as I had 3D vision screen, so this laptops having 3D Oled have the nerd hype

[wet ore]

any good deals on a server machine? I remember seeing a basic HP PC labeled as a server for $300, could even take a gpu, but this was forever ago maybe it wasn't hp

something that I can add SSDs for storage, CPU good enough to run p4 and omniverse deep search, so I would be looking for it to have a gpu slot to add later

that's excactly what I was thinking since I have a spare case and even some ddr3 but I remember seeing a everything you need pc for around 300

omniverse basically takes the same requirements as p4, deepsearch is a omniverse feature requires a gpu but doesn't add much else overhead, so just a cpu that can handle running 2 p4 basically

i also have some ddr3 and a old asus m4l laying around I was going to add some stuff into a server, the price would be around the same

yeah I think your right getting parts and diy would be best

sorry ddr3 ram I meant

[wind egret]

A vapor chamber that cares about its orientation is either flawed or working as intended in an industrial setting.

In the latter case, there's probably a risk of explosion.

[wide valve]

[Dual CPU] AMD EPYC 7451 or [Quad CPU] Intel Xeon E7-8890 v4 @ 2.20GHz for high octane ue5 devolopment?

[spring rivet]

The 4070 ti is 950€ in Europe... Should I get something with more vram o is it a good choice? 3090 ti is 1400€ here... same for the 4080, 1400€

Focusing on unreal general use, of course

[agile lodge]

you can pick what you want

[spring rivet]

I mean the 4070 looks more attractive than the other options, but I'm not sure if it's more gaming focused than productivity

I would love to buy an amd but I'm scared of the drivers and compatibility, as far as I know many AI apps don't work with amd, also photogrammetry is also almost impossible

[agile lodge]

it can be good for productivity too

i saw asus unveil some proart and vivobooks with 4070 so

[spring rivet]

Is having a cheap nvidia second graphics card a viable option? or it doesnt make sense

Like for photogrammetry and so on

Nah, seems like a bad option, nevermind

[agile lodge]

you can get that 4070Ti sure

[spring rivet]

I think I'll keep waiting for a month in hopes that some miracle of gpu pricing happens... But thanks for the help!

[mighty cosmos]

The optional driver have been stable for me so far, had no issues

[obtuse rapids]

Hard to find any 128 gb ddr5 memory kits - newegg has a Atech which is a brand I'm not familiair with

amazing like if I swap out it out with a 4x32 kit that was ddr4 while you were sleeping, you wouldn't notice the difference?

I've never read through a QVL before - but I'm looking for 2/4 designation right?

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z790 Taichi/index.asp#MemoryRPL

I need reliability - you have mentioned it multiple times - it's not "amazing" - are you getting crashes/glitches you think are caused to the combining memory kits?

I don't know what JEDEC is

[vagrant anvil]

probably 4000, maybe 4200

pretty sure CPUZ will tell you the JEDEC as well without having to go into the bios,

but you seem past that point

yep, that would be 4400

[serene dome]

Instead of one 64-bit "channel" per DIMM as seen in previous standards (DDR4 and lower), DDR5 now contains two 32-bit "channels". These "channels" are not to be confused with the multi-channel architecture of the memory controller. For software that hasn't been updated, this can make it appear to be in a quad-channel configuration.

[obtuse rapids]

So, what kit should I get? Pretend I'm irresponsible with the number of large projects and programs I leave open on the machine

and is that the JEDEC speed?

[serene dome]

Anything without the XMP extension in this table is considered to follow the JEDEC standard

[obtuse rapids]

my god what does this mean

I'm going to youtube jedec vs. xmp because I clearly don't understand themn

https://youtu.be/Ilv8OmxkzLo

so if I find the timings on the QVL?

What does this socket support mean ? 2/4

and what is DPC 2R mean? - 2 dimms per channel,

I'm getting an Asrock z790 taichi and their forums are no help - I just want to know what kit to buy

[serene dome]

JEDEC stands for Joint Electron Device Engineering Council and are responsible for the creation of the various memory standards.

XMP was created by Intel and initially released by the DDR3 standard. XMP stands for Extreme Memory Profile, and it allowed Intel to add extensions to the JEDEC standards. When manufacturers advertise their memory sticks to be XMP compatible, this means they've tested them according to Intel's specifications and have been certified by Intel.

[serene dome]

Correct, DPC means DIMMs Per Channel. So 2DPC = 2 DIMMS Per Channel

[obtuse rapids]

where do I go to find what are the kits I can use to avoid compatibility issues - I'm trying to discern this QVL - but dont' know how to read it

[serene dome]

I thought you had already ordered everything?

[valid sentinel]

I see.

[serene dome]

From what I understand, Laura has showed you everything you need to know?

[obtuse rapids]

turns out I was wrong

[serene dome]

The bottom listing here is similar to what Laura had shown to you before

[obtuse rapids]

I've been ordering a crap load of stuff and when I review the orders, I never actually ordered it

[serene dome]

It's Intel's specification for what their CPU's memory controller can handle

1DPC 1R means 1 DIMM Per Channel using single ranked DIMMS

The speeds without OC are the JEDEC standard speeds the memory controller can support

[obtuse rapids]

what? on the QVL? what do you mean by which vendor?

[serene dome]

The reply has the attached image I was referring to. In case I did the wrong one, I believe it's the image of your motherboard's supported memory specs

[obtuse rapids]

do you suspect compatibility problems if I order two of the exact same 2x32gb kit, I mean combability problems related to mixing "different" kit\s

misery loves company eh? lol

[serene dome]

There'll be compatibility problems by mixing two different kits because they haven't been tested together. As to how badly they are compatible is to be seen

[obtuse rapids]

is my logic flawed? if you have 4 sticks of ram that were made at the factory, one after the other, wouldn't they be less likely to have compatibility problems?

[serene dome]

How do you know they were made at the same factory at the same time in the same batch?

[obtuse rapids]

I still don't know what they mean by DIMM Socket Support 2/4, as opposed to 2 - does that mean it can support two or 4, and that means I need to disregard all the memory on the QVC that just says 2

[serene dome]

Socket/slots. The physical connections on the motherboard

[obtuse rapids]

I mean, logically when you package something it goes to a warehouse, - and unless it was a ram that was on one end of a bulk order

[serene dome]

Just 2 means there's only 2 slots in the motherboard

2/4 means there's 4 slots but only 2 are being used

[obtuse rapids]

so wait, unless I see 4 here, there's not going to be 4 dimm support on a 4 slot board?

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that art on gpu is that thing coming back

[serene dome]

?

[obtuse rapids]

motherboard manual has that listed but I can't find a listed for 4 dimms being used in the QVL

[serene dome]

If there's 4 slots, then it can support 4 DIMMs. If it's DDR5, then it'd unlikely can reach high speeds to the relatively weak IMC of CPU for both Intel and AMD considering it's Intel's second generation and AMD's first generation to support the new memory standard

[obtuse rapids]

I just want it to post using XMP, even if it is a low speed, like 4800

Would either of you be willing to just think for me for a bit lol

[serene dome]

Is there a reason you want DDR5? Unless you're being forced to use it that is

[obtuse rapids]

there is a terrorist here claiming he will blow up my house if I don't order ddr5

I don't know why I can't find a database of "this ram configuration worked in this machine on this motherboard/cpu using this xmp profile"

That's a thing that exists somewhere right?

this is just marketing right? Intel Optimized?

[serene dome]

You can check Intel for their XMP charts for DDR5

[obtuse rapids]

in the same exact system/hardware?

on this INtel XMP chart, I don't see corsair listed that much under the 13900k

Gskill though

[serene dome]

You also don't find any 4x kits on there

[obtuse rapids]

then maybe I should just get the fastest 32x2 setup I can get?

people must not need 128 gb of memory or there would be more information about this

I know i'm not the average consumer but I didn't think it was that much of a niche

[serene dome]

Exactly what are your requirements?

[serene dome]

How's that hybrid core?

Both CCDs still use Zen 4 cores

[obtuse rapids]

how does this kit look? I'll have to do the same thing as you I guess

https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-RipJaws-288-Pin-CL36-36-36-89-F5-5600J3636D32GA2-RS5K/dp/B09YK4QBWN/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=gskill%2Bddr5%2B32%2Bgb%2Bx%2B2&qid=1672957006&refinements=p_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A9559992011&rnid=673240011&s=pc&sr=1-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.c3015c4a-46bb-44b9-81a4-dc28e6d374b3&th=1

what would you get if you bought now

and "xmp ready" is just marketing right?

Cas is 40 though -

well they all say Intel XMP memory but I mean is the "XMP ready" thing just marketing

is the 4800 cap for 4 dimms from the cpu or the motherboard? i can't remember

yeah, I'm fine with 5000 though if it is stable

[serene dome]

Good luck

[obtuse rapids]

so that guy just got lucky on the lottery

my current memory

[serene dome]

Most overclockers are just gamers

So they mostly test for whatever most demanding game they have

[vivid skiff]

Also underclocking increase longevity, so that's a bonus

Also speaking of high end RAM, are there any more recommendation for RAM sticks without any RGB fluff, aside from Corsair Vengeance?

[vivid skiff]

Suggest me anything that don't have any RGB lighting. I don't like the gimmick.

[fallen oasis]

RGB is the devil.

Duct tape.

Heating issues be damned.

They have a very small chance!

[obtuse rapids]

I wasn't planning on going a huge overclock - literally is enabling XMP doing that though? or it just allows you to begin the overclock and start increasing the memory clock?

[obtuse rapids]

What is cooling your CPU?

I'll be putting mine on a custom loop, one of the corsair rainbow vomit ones - (though I heard good things about the kit for a first time watercool build)

I wanted one because getting an AIO 4090 wasn't a guarantee

although I did pick up a 3090 ti with the AIO

it is 41 C now under no load - the AIO works pretty good I guess

I paid 1100 for it - for a 24 gb card with an AIO

I might keep the 3090ti in the main development rig and put the 4090 (ifif I ever get my hands on one) in the demo rig

https://youtu.be/P58VqVvDjxo?t=833

I think they got 4200

[serene dome]

Aren't you going Intel though?

[obtuse rapids]

check the timestamp at the end he talks about intel being a bit easier

is that 4800 cpu going to be hardcapped forever, - i shouldn't expect a bios update?

[serene dome]

A BIOS update is not going to magically make it significantly better

[obtuse rapids]

do CPUs actually get those? I just thought it was for motherboards

[serene dome]

What?

[obtuse rapids]

a bios update

I''m probably just going to grab two of these, and hope I get 4800 of it it and settle for 4000

I saw the Gskill name a bunch on Intel's XMP page you linked, much more than corsairs

[serene dome]

I mentioned it, don't think I actually linked it

[serene dome]

Aren't those dual rank modules? According to the Intel chart, 4400 is for 2DPC 2R

[wet ore]

I don't understand ddr5. Before what mattered was the marginal CAS latency difference between CL16 vs CL18. Now its CL36, but it has more bandwidth now so that makes up for it and it has better performance or something? idk

latency being the lower number was better, CL16 preformed better then CL18

:old_man_yells_at_computer_ram:

[serene dome]

Early stages of DDR4 experienced something similar too

[obtuse rapids]

What does that mean

[serene dome]

A memory rank is a set of DRAM chips on a module

[obtuse rapids]

did I buy the wrong one?

(ones)

[serene dome]

No, I don't think there are any single rank 32 GB DIMMs

[obtuse rapids]

this comes b ack to that 2r4c something chart I saw someone comparing trying to explain the rank stuff

[serene dome]

At the moment, at least

[fallen oasis]

There's finally a laptop that's good for UE dev: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Super-expensive-MSI-Titan-GT77-HX-arrives-with-a-Core-i9-13980HX-up-to-an-RTX-4090-graphics-and-a-4K-Mini-LED-display.678974.0.html

[pearl quartz]

7000 series X3D as we all knew they would

[median marsh]

anyone got experience with g.skill support?

having a faulty module from a kit of 4, wonder if they want the whole kit for RMA

Include all modules of a memory kit for RMA. Memory kits are tested together to ensure compatibility. Compatibility is not guaranteed if a partial kit is returned. oh ffs

it's not like those fools couldn't determine what kind of chips they slapped on the boards by the serial number..

[fallen oasis]

It doesn't say you can't return the entire kit, though.

[median marsh]

i have to apparently

according to their RMA page

[fallen oasis]

So you have to return the entire kit?

[median marsh]

yes

and they only sell them as kit of 2 -.-

otherwise i would have just risked it and bought a new one

[median marsh]

ok, apparently they accept partly kits. so guess i'll just send them 2 sticks and hope that this works out in the end -.-

[north arch]

depending on the manufacturing data records, they probably can't...

[median marsh]

well, that thing is 15 months old

guess the real question is if they have spare modules from that series

my guess is that they slap the 3 working modules in a system with a new one, and just check if it's stable and then send me back the 3 working ones + 1 new

[north arch]

I don't even mean age. We only tracked lot numbers of a single chip where I worked first, paper records, and serial numbers weren't recorded, just test results

[agile lodge]

https://www.espressif.com.cn/en/news/ESP32-P4 if you know what is booming on thing of maker

[north arch]

while interesting, AI instructions is probably just a low bit size bank of integer ALUs running in parallel

[obtuse rapids]

SO I have my current rig, which I'll be replacing with a 13900k - it's a 10850k - but it's in a case that needs to be made portable - so I need to get a new motherboard and I'm wondering if I should just bite the building and upgrading unless I could snag a cheap mini itx lga 1200

well I'd prefer not to waste it , so what would be a waste then?

I wouldn't upgrade it, I just want it to fit in a smaller case - so I'm trying to find a cheap used mini-itx board

[lapis knot]

There's a lot of options

I wouldn't say the majority of mini-itx boards are expensive though

hype for the small build though

I wanted to do one of those myself

I currently have a Corsair obsidian 500D and it's massive

[frank glade]

I have a hardware problem guys. Whenever my pc is idle, CPU spikes to 100% in task manager on "system interrupts" I assume, because if I open task manager it instantly closes. same if I open a fan manager to check the temps. If I don't run those all the time then cpu is at 100% and 55 degrees. any clue what's going on?

[median marsh]

1.) antivirus
2.) malware
3.) borked power saving stuff

but there are probably more reasons for that

[frank glade]

I use the Win antivirus, I scanned with anti-malware. also installed win11

I read it's a "hardware failure"

but I can't tell what or why

I recently rebuild this pc and only kept my ssds

[median marsh]

what are the temps when you have task manager open?

[frank glade]

normal, under 30c

55-60 when I forget to open task manager

with no programs open, with programs open, it just seems to start if there is no software to see the temps

as soon as I open something it stops 😅

[lapis knot]

hmm maybe try malware bytes

really quickly see if that picks up anything

if not I'd probably suggest factory reset

it seems more likely to be related to malware imo

[median marsh]

HijackThis was pretty much my favorite tool for scanning, when i had to deal with windows...

idk if this is still a good choice tho, specially reading the logs requires some experience, and back then there used to be websites which collect the entries and rate them by their threat

[frank glade]

I did, thought it was a crypto miner but nothing abnormal found

[polar zephyr]

Just started UE recently; just curious, at what temp are you all comfortable with running your GPU and CPU at while working on a project?

Just loaded a demo project earlier, only to have my GPU temp spiked up to 80C+

I think I even smelled plastic/metal 😂

[median marsh]

depends... in the summer it's often >75°C 😭

[devout pendant]

I need a new keyboard.

never heard of magnetic siwtches, I think I'll try a magnetic keyboard

[mighty cosmos]

I got a Glorious GMMK 2 recently and I love it, really good keyboard (their proprietary switches)

[devout pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADIMkBp12pM damn.... so much noise with those magnetic switches

[north arch]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iv6Rh8UNWlI&feature=shares
https://github.com/riskable/void_switch

https://github.com/riskable/riskeyboard70

keyboard fun

[frigid heath]

i had the same but for gpu... it was firefox related

if urs is gpu and u dont use firefox its prolly not the same problem tho

mine got fixed with a checkbox in firefox something something hardware acceleration

[polar zephyr]

i seem to be having the same issue sometimes, create a new project and then my CPU goes whirring in the background until i opened the task manager

[frank glade]

hmmm

[polar zephyr]

i use ~~firefox ~~too

but don't see the connection

[polar zephyr]

i actually use edge 😂

going to try turning off the hardware acceleration and see if i still get this

[frank glade]

I also use Firefox but for me it happens even after booting with nothing running

[devout pendant]

I opted for a Microsoft 600 keyboard. Didn't want to spend on those fancy RGB keyboards with hot swappable switches

[frank glade]

well the point of those it's a really pleasant typing experience

I can't go back to anything else

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah can't go back to anything else after using a keyboard with really good mechanical switches

[wet ore]

Believe it or not Microsoft makes a killer daily driver keyboard. I've been rocking the MS Business Ergonomic 4000 for years, and before that I was using the Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite PS/2 which is the same thing but from last decade. If your using a MS board, I definitely recommend the intellimouse pro, it's one of the only mice out there with a normal shape, and good features. It doesn't look/feel like a RGB gamer spaceship or a razr pinch claw. The optional microsoft mouse and keyboard center program is also great, let's me set hotkeys, macros and shortcut buttons globally and per app, love the thing

[devout pendant]

what difference high dpi makes for a mouse?

[mighty cosmos]

None, set it to 800 or whatever feels good and ignore it

Get an optical mouse, even if you are not gaming you can feel that it is more precise

even with normal tasks

DPI is more of a marketing thing than anything else

[mighty cosmos]

What I was referring to is the fact that a lot of manufacturers advertise stuff like 16k dpi... You are never going to use 16k

Because it's nearly impossible to even use lol

[median marsh]

what?

high dpi increases the resolution, so smaller movements can get recognized

the cursor moves faster since you didn't adjust the mouse speed to the higher resolution

[mighty cosmos]

The higher resolution is pointless

You will have zero difference between 400dpi and 16k

Saying this as someone who has been competing at a somewhat serious level before and is very picky about the sensitivity and everything

Most pros also use either 400 or 800dpi

[median marsh]

now i wonder if optical mouse sensors are just mobile phone camera sensors which didn't meet the requirements

since they don't need full rgb spectrum, and may be even good enough with some dead pixels 🤷

ah, apparently they have way lower resolution, but faster sampling rate

[devout pendant]

I'm in doubt between MS ergonomical or MS Explorer 3.0

[median marsh]

one is a keyboard, the other is a mouse!?

[devout pendant]

https://images.kabum.com.br/produtos/fotos/sync_mirakl/387662/Mouse-Sem-Fio-Bluetooth-Ergonomic-222-00003-Microsoft-_1672316914_gg.jpg I meant this one

[vapid moss]

Hey folks, looking to put together a PC for UE5 Game Development, was wondering if anyone finds that they're hitting >64GB RAM usage when developing in Unreal?

Trying to decide between 64GB or 128GB in this new machine... seems the general wisdom is 64 is enough "for now" but UE projects are only getting more hungry

yeah I'm thinking the same

ok that's super helpful thanks Laura, I thought it was worth asking the question because the price is a little eyewatering but as you say: futureproofing

[median marsh]

also hitting >64gb by times

but mostly cpu light baking and some custom editor stuff

and unreals plain stupid fbx importer... 😄

[vapid moss]

I'm a coder not an artist so I'm not expecting to be baking lights etc. but... if I did have to cook a full build my end I don't want to have to say "sorry my PC shat itself" to a client

[median marsh]

well, i guess it'll be around a few years, just less used

[devout pendant]

64GB + 32GB not possible?

[median marsh]

sure, but not good

well, unless you have a working setup where you run 2x32GB and 2x16GB in dual channel

but i'm currently running all my memory in single channel and don't notice much of an impact honestly (at least while working)

[devout pendant]

what is loaded in ram to use more than 64GB? There is that Nvidia Quadro with 48GB

[median marsh]

system memory, pretty much anything

video memory, is mostly affected by textures

large scenes => many textures => much vram usage

[wet ore]

I've tried a few ergo mice, and a few vertical mice. The intellimouse pro 2019 has been my go to

[devout pendant]

128GB is enough to install a whole game

[north arch]

depends on the game... mechwarrior 2 was 90MB, if memory serves, but ark with all it's dlcs is over 1TB

[wet ore]

Nah, stable diffusion runs great on a 2080ti, you can do one of those stable diffusion VR domes

[median marsh]

oO

[devout pendant]

my laptop has 4GB soldered and one 8GB and I can't go above that

[wet ore]

I'll have to try to find them on twitter and see what their settings are, I don't think it was as extreme as that but I don't doubt it

I've never tried it on my own hardware

[devout pendant]

Intelli Pro is about half the prce of Intelli explorer

or the ergonomic one

[wet ore]

Are you talking about the old not made anymore intellimouse explorer classic that has those sensors all the OCD mice people rave about?

I don't think they make the explorer line anymore and it's like a collectors thing for people who care about a specific line of optical sensors

[devout pendant]

https://files.tecnoblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/intellimouse-explorer-3.jpg?_gl=1*tv0w5g*_ga*MjA0ODkxNzE3LjE2NzMyODE0NjY.*_ga_2XDPKDWNEB*MTY3MzI4MTQ2NS4xLjAuMTY3MzI4MTQ2NS42MC4wLjA.&_ga=2.149615094.1199754376.1673281467-204891717.1673281466 didn't know it was discontinued

some mouses are advertised as "laser"

laser > infrared?

[north arch]

they aren't in the visible spectrum, so near-ir is a possibility

could be uv though

[devout pendant]

just checked, laser is more sensitive and works on glossy surfaces

[frank glade]

Will you ever use a glossy surface?

[median marsh]

everything is glossy to some degree

[north arch]

what's the vantablack reflectance curve outside the visible spectrum

[median marsh]

yes

[limber kiln]

How much money is needed (good to invest into) for a good a computer to develop on unreal engine 5 as an hobby? (mid dev here with last knowledge on unity)

I'm running with gtx 970 and i5-4690k and 8gb ram rip

[median marsh]

depends on what hardware you got which is worth keeping

e.g. ssds, psu, case

[limber kiln]

Not much I think

[median marsh]

also if you are fine with used hardware

doesn't have to be the newest tech to get started, but your current system isn't really a pleasure to use either

[median marsh]

well, case and psu should be okay even if you upgrade

so that saves you ~$200, or € seem like you are from italy?!

well he can mess around with his current setup, too....

but can't expect much from that, specially since the 8GB memory are really a bottleneck there

[limber kiln]

Right guess

I'm just doing the stack-o-bot tutorial

Mostly played with card games and such on unity

[median marsh]

idk about the requirements of that one...

but for a new system you probably should at least invest 1000€ to get something reasonable better, maybe you can save a few bucks if you buy an used system

you would need new mainboard, cpu, cpu cooler, memory, an 1TB SSD and GPU

[wet ore]

where are you buying it from?

[devout pendant]

I don't know yet. If shipping from China is cheaper, then China

[wet ore]

if your not buying it from the microsoft store directly, your RNGing it from some seller. You may have been reading about it from an old article

that mouse in the screenshot is no longer made, this is all they currently have

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/collections/mice

[devout pendant]

I'm not going to by that model

ergonomic surface precision or intellimouse

[wind egret]

"Optical" (is that infrared?) is more tolerant of surfaces, while laser seems to be more precise or offer better stats on paper.

I had a BlueTrack™️ mouse and the sensor itself became less sensitive overtime to the point it needed at least a light grey surface.

[fallen oasis]

Isn't laser the IR one? I.e. it's an IR laser.

[devout pendant]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51QWdUr1PZL._AC_SL1000_.jpg This is what I've been using for the last 6 years

[wind egret]

6 years? Mouse must be broken. It shouldn't be designed to live that long.

[devout pendant]

it still works

[vivid skiff]

If you can afford it, go with 16 GB (2x8 GB) RAM

[opaque pond]

Uhh

[wind egret]

If you had 32GB you wouldn't have this problem.

...For another 8 minutes approximately.

[devout pendant]

if compiling code or shaders / lights takes so much ram, what happens if you don't have enough? it takes way more time with virtual memory?

[vivid skiff]

Either that, or your whole system completely froze

[devout pendant]

is it possible to compile in parts?

[median marsh]

you can reduce the amount of parallel compiler processes

usually unreal launches as many as you have logical cores, and each process takes ~2GB memory

so if you configure it to only launch 1 process, it will only consume 2gb system memory, but will be slower

[devout pendant]

I think I'll get MS Precision mouse. It offers a wire and the wire can be unplugged. The other one has a fixed wire.

games can stream data to use less ram. To compile, does it require to load everything at once?

[devout pendant]

my first UE4 project is env art. I wan to make a building

all I have is i5 dual core, 12GB ram

[opaque pond]

1,5 gb

tho can you lower that?

to allow for more to be done parallelly

[fallen oasis]

You can remove it completely.

[opaque pond]

how?

i've been looking for months

[fallen oasis]

Doesn't mean it'll be able to actaully do it.

<Configuration xmlns="https://www.unrealengine.com/BuildConfiguration">
    <ParallelExecutor>
        <MemoryPerActionBytes>0</MemoryPerActionBytes>
    </ParallelExecutor>
</Configuration>```
BuildConfiguration.xml

[opaque pond]

ok imma do tht

[opaque pond]

wait i cant find that file

the BuildConfiguration.xml

[fallen oasis]

google it

[opaque pond]

like i searched for it

wait

it was in hidden files

how could i limit it at like 1,2 gb

[fallen oasis]

The setting is in bytes.

Work out how many bytes that is.

[vivid skiff]

Expect builds to take hours.
UE4 used to compile for whole 24 hours on those things

Not to mention compiling shaders can slow down things by huge margin

[fallen oasis]

Dual core?

How do you even run windows 😦

[devout pendant]

..... logitech MX vertical costs 94$. Way more than Microsoft intellimouse, 3 times more

[vivid skiff]

Windows 7 probably

laughs at 8 core / 16 threads

https://tenor.com/view/anime-laugh-laughing-funny-evil-laugh-gif-12381387

[fallen oasis]

Laughs with 32 cores / 64 threads

[north arch]

you guys don't have a cray cluster at home?

[cinder latch]

i had a dual core mac from 2010, the windows experience wasn't great

[fallen oasis]

i had a dual core mac from 2010, the windows experience wasn't great

😂

[cinder latch]

true lmao

[median marsh]

i want to see those charts with 5900X / 5950X

who cares about 6/8 core cpus if they show of how fast 12c cpu's can be -.-

[median marsh]

yea but beside of that it's an interesting cpu

my goto tech news site here also recommended it for most use cases

[spark vortex]

Is a ryzen 7 5700x decent vs a ryzen 5 3600 that I have now? Intel is awful in terms of wattage and perfomance, lagging behind really, but the prices on AMD aren't as competitive as before.

[vivid skiff]

Why not go for R 7 5800X?

[spark vortex]

what's your argument in favour of it? I'm just curious, cuz I have no reason to change as is. The 5700x seems decent, but again I care more about power to price as a ratio

[vivid skiff]

5800X has slightly more power than 5700X while pricing wise isn't that far off.
Though not denying possibility if you have more tight budget, but you can sacrifice on other components.

[spark vortex]

Seems reasonable

[median marsh]

well the non-X ones changed that a bit apparently

[median marsh]

well there's still that heat spreader fiasco

which is probably because they wanted it to be AM4 cooler compatible

https://youtu.be/y_jaS_FZcjI?t=1134 (added TS for the temp chart)

they had 20°C difference after removing the heatspreader

well that guy also sells tools for this, so it seems to be kind of safe... but i wouldn't either i guess 😄

ah, so you got that "special" mount for your cpu?

[limber kiln]

I'm back with updates! Is this good a good upgrade? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6Vpshk

I currently have i5-4690k, and gtx 970.
Is it a flexible upgrade if I later wanna invest in GPU?

[frank glade]

Why are you getting a 11700k?

13600k is about 300 usd

[limber kiln]

I got advised by a friend, I'm not really an expert

[limber kiln]

I have no clue if I should ditch my old build completely

I have "virtually" no budget but I would like to spend only on what I need

Which is a decent computer to learn unreal

Yes I struggle opening it

[fallen oasis]

You can learn unreal on a phone with google.

If you want to actually use it effectively, you need a powerhouse.

[limber kiln]

I mean I program for living and love games so could be a good investment

[limber kiln]

Yeah that is true but trying to do the stack o bot tutorial with my computer is a struggle, I'm fluent with unity since it's more flyweight

So budget for that would be around 1400+?

I have EUR, rip

Italy

[fallen oasis]

Don't buy a laptop.

[limber kiln]

🍕

[fallen oasis]

First thing to learn in budgeting computers.

They aren't necessarily bad, just expensive.

[limber kiln]

Yeah in the good old 2015 I built mine, I think I can do it again ahahah

But I think I'll have to scrap everything, save probably hdd

[fallen oasis]

If it's a sata hdd, you're better off buying a new nvme ssd

[limber kiln]

And some random fan that I bought later BC was thinking the pc was on fire

[fallen oasis]

Hehe

Also pro tip for saving money, just taking the side of your case is 10x better than buying a case with good airflow.

Even with a 4090, you probably won't need over an 800W PSU

4090s consume what? 500W?

600?

Then probably a 900W PSU!

[limber kiln]

So If I have bit of money to spare would be good investment to go 13th gen i5/i7, 32 ram and a better gpu

Can't escape 1400+

🍕

My keyword would be "big improvement for not that much money'

I have spare money but if it 's useless why spend it

Useless for my needs I mean

Hmm

[median marsh]

also DDR5 has always ECC if im not wrong

which can save you from a lot of trouble...

not?

i thought it's in the standard

but at least it informs about defect memory?!

it just cant correct

[limber kiln]

Had to Google ecc

Yeah curiosity took over

[median marsh]

well, it's not thaaaat expensive anymore?

for 32GB DDR4 sticks it was like ~30% more expensive

[sinful thicket]

This hasn't been true for a long time. Threadrippers are actually faster in games than Ryzen parts of the same gen due to high clocks and cache.

[fallen oasis]

They have lower clocks than their desktop counterparts, though.

[sinful thicket]

Threadripper (non-Pro) is roughly equivalent.

[fallen oasis]

Anyone with a 5950x want to compare single thread performance then? 🙂

[devout pendant]

thats not always true, it took a ryzen 9 3950x to outperform a threadripper 2950x a full gen diference

[fallen oasis]

Well that's kinda the point, isn't it?

the 2x TRs are released contemporarily with the 3x ryzens.

[sinful thicket]

No they're not.

[fallen oasis]

The 5x TRs were released earlier this year and the 7x ryzens are out not so long after.

The 5x ryzens were release ages ago.

I'm willing to bet there won't be a 7x Tr out until the 9x ryzens are almost out.

[sinful thicket]

There was no Zen 3 Threadripper. You mean Threadripper Pro, which isn't what we're talking about.

[fallen oasis]

What's the difference there?

Between Pro and non-Pro

[devout pendant]

exactly, it took a zen3 to outperform a zen2 tr

[sinful thicket]

Threadripper Pro are like full-fledged workstation parts, and you could only buy them from OEM channels for a while. They have a bunch of data center features and lower clocks than regular Threadripper because they're designed to be run 24/7.

[median marsh]

you mean server parts i guess

since a workstation isn't used 24/7

so kind of a small epyc?

[sinful thicket]

There's still a distinction between workstation and server parts. Neither of the Threadripper lines are Epyc. Basically Threadripper Pro is "serious workstation" and Threadripper is "mainstream workstation". Both are technically HEDT, though non-pro Threadripper is most commonly associated with the term.

[devout pendant]

which is exactly, why ryzen parts have to be a full gen ahead of the regular TR's in order to compete properly

[sinful thicket]

Yeah the Threadrippers can't game thing really only applied to Zen and maybe Zen+. From Zen 2 onward equivalent Threadripper parts outperformed Ryzen parts in a lot of gaming scenarios, so basically Threadrippers have no weakness

[fallen oasis]

Fair enough!

[devout pendant]

the TR's do have one weakeness....cpu AVX encoding on the fly is dog poop until the tr3's

[serene dome]

Laura's correct about DDR5's on-chip ECC. It does not provide anything for consumers other than cheaper DDR5 DIMMs. It was added to the DDR5 standard to counteract the increasing difficulty of maintaining stability when using denser chips fabricated on smaller processes. Like the standard before it, DDR5 increases the chip density by 4x (from 16 Gb to 64 Gb), allowing a max DIMM size of 128 GB (2Rx8: 2 x 8 x 64 Gb) and a total capacity of 512 GB in a 2DPC configuration for consumers.

[median marsh]

so even a defect memory stick would go "unnoticed" and it couldn't report that?

[serene dome]

We're talking about the individual memory chips on the stick in regards to DDR5's on-chip ECC. They still sell ECC DIMMs for DDR5.

[obtuse rapids]

How much bottlenecking would occur (if any) on an 10th gen i9, (10850K) and a 4090?

[devout pendant]

https://i.postimg.cc/tRkDyy6L/2023-01-12-2.png I get 6fps

i5 5th gen

930m

[devout pendant]

what do I do?

[fallen oasis]

Buy a better computer?

[frank glade]

Use ultra low settings?

[wind egret]

Build geometry?

Then again, it's #hardware, so buy a better computer.

[fallen oasis]

Set the engine scalability in the viewport down to minimum everything. Turn off virtual shadow maps and lumen.

[devout pendant]

something was using the cpu. After closing and reopening, it's running at 60fps windowed

[north arch]

if you're in IT and have a linux server, every time someone complains about it, run the following in the console:
cat /dev/random >/dev/null&

[vivid skiff]

6 FPS on an image of turd?

[agile lodge]

intel did KS launch and some overlocking records too

[magic bison]

I got a new nas over the holiday for suuuuper cheap

Ts-873a + 32gb ram kit + 1tb SSD for the price of the 6 bay 8gb version

[fathom kraken]

Just upgraded my whole PC. 7950x and 4090, but I only got 32GiB of RAM and regret it. My C++ build actions are capping at 3-4 parallel processes because of available memory. I will return the RAM and upgrade but I'm wondering whether to go for 64 or 128 (I know the latency issues with 128).

My project is only small at the moment. 2gb used by unreal, 10gb used by rider.

What would people recommend? Do you make use of 64gb+ of RAM?

[fallen oasis]

What are you running that you're using 26gb of ram before compiling?

You absolutely will use 64gb of ram if you compile a lot.

[fathom kraken]

I would go 64GB at 6000Mhz, or 128GB at much lower speed (since it won't reach those speeds and slower is cheaper). Would rather not end up buying two sets of fast RAM

But that is probably a decent option nonetheless

I'm not really sure what's using all the RAM. Editor is 2GB, Rider is 10GB, Browser 2GB, Teams 1GB (wtf), Discord according to Task Manager... but then the "in use" memory is reported quite a lot higher, at 26GB. Live coding doesn't seem to ask for more memory than the remaining 6GB, even if maybe the system would flush some things out to make space for it

[fallen oasis]

2 sets of ram is never a good idea. Especially at high speeds. A very small timing inconsitsency and your system is crashing 24/7.

[fathom kraken]

Yeah don't really want to mess around with instability, its also my work PC

so I would probably run them slower, like 4000 or so I guess?

indeed, that's like 3200 I think

not sure how much of a performance hit that would be

yeah, just if I'm never going to use more than 64GB I might as well go for faster RAM but less of it

I do kinda want 128GB though, just seems fun 😄

What did you go for out of interest?

Thanks

[median marsh]

i don't even notice a difference between single and dualchannel with 3600MHz DDR4

[opaque pond]

ah talking about NAS

uhh well

[rancid ginkgo]

Hi, I got Ryzen 5 3600X and I want to know..if upgrade to Ryzen 9 5900X. So is this a worthwhile purchase? in terms of creating builds and overall lights, shadows.

[vivid skiff]

If you still have the budget, go a step further to Ryzen 9 5950X

[median marsh]

and then a 5900x is fine

i wouldn't go for the 5950x if you are on tight budget, rather invest the money somwhere else, e.g. memory

[sonic cradle]

Very broad question, but reckon going from 32 to 64 gigs of ram would make a difference?
My system is a little slow changing between C++ and BP, feels like it could be a bit snappier.

Yeah

I don't think my CPU is overly bottled necked. My memory is hitting at around 80% in just editor + in debug.

mmm maybe I just need a nice restart. This thing has been on for a while.

yeah I got FF in the background, that's probably taking up a lot w/ video

[rancid ginkgo]

Well, I couldnt..
bcs MB

I have B450 Pro4, which couldnt handle enough power for that cpu

[vivid skiff]

Then definitely pair up with RTX GPU to harness GPU Lightmass to speed things up more

[regal junco]

Is the ryzen 7 5800x 3dv good for 3d (blender, unreal engine) also good for editing (After effect) and also for gaming (FPS in 1920*1080 minimum 240 FPS full low)?

[vivid skiff]

Rendering wise, it depends more on the GPU

But for compiling code or making builds, you're good to go with that CPU, expecting ±1 hour for larger projects

[regal junco]

and is an rtx 3060 ti + 32 gb 3200 mhz c16 good?

[rancid ginkgo]

I got Radeon RX 5600XT

😦 well...better to pair up with new gpu and cpu...

[vivid skiff]

I'd say that's good enough.

[median marsh]

the TI only has 8GB iirc?!

rather get a non-ti with 12GB

[granite violet]

@iron zenith it's still compiling (had to run it again for a change in the project settings, currently performance optimising) but I found out it didn't have a custom cooler, it's the stock intel cooler.

Thermal paste might be the problem. It's 5 years old now.

Used it practically every day since. Every day

It has a 1080TI 11GB which still performs extremely well, too

Well, I start to hear my cooling fan when I'm going to 60 or above, this is somehow unnerving to me ever since I got this machine 😅

Also, there's something else, I quite like 30fps since it feels more cinematic, especially when using effects like motion blur on top of everything. 60fps looks too much like a "game" to me. It something else when playing certain games like Doom Eternal for example of course. But this I do on my PS5.

Something else: it turns out I had two instances running (accidentally) when compiling earlier. Now I have one instance, same amount of compiling and it gets to 85 max.

It's still high but nothing compared to earlier. How can that be?

Damn...!

Why!!

That is really uncool 😞

I'm a fan of stock/vanilla components usually. Not a fan of overclocking by so-called "professionals" etc.

But I also hate the cheapo-approach of a lot of hardware manufacturers.

That's a valuable advice, thank you!

What (!)

I would never even... man, so my whole "always stay vanilla" might not have done me that good after all 🤔

Well I do have a "stock" overclocked 1080Ti from MSI, and I "underclocked" this one to the original NVidia factory values. I like to think that's why it's still like new.

Well I sure hope so...

Hmm, you already helped a lot actually. I don't know if you'd mind but - could you recommend me a card to go for when I get a new machine? I really love my 1080Ti.

But I don't know what's as good as that one was back in the day.

Oh that's good, thanks so much!

[marsh mauve]

guys i have ryzen 7 2700x 16gb ram and rx 590. my ram is 2666hz and i want upgrade it. do i put more 16 gb 2666 or do i buy a brand new 32gb 3200hz?

i usually use ue5 and vs 2022/rider

[wind egret]

Patchable. Anything on performance hit?

[median marsh]

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-238/Intel.html
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-7043/AMD.html

608 vs 34

woohoo

well, let's wait for what they say about microcode updates

maybe they already patched some, and they're part of more recent bios versions

yea ik, intel does make more consumer hardware of all kind

[vivid skiff]

Wait, Intel still making smartphone CPUs?

I remember back then Zenfone phones would have Intel CPUs, but nowadays it's Qualcomm stuff

[mighty cosmos]

These days its mostly Qualcomm and MediaTek afaik (they also have some really good SoCs these days)

[median marsh]

intel however does also a lot of network stuff

[royal rapids]

Best Laptop for UE5?

[median marsh]

the one that is able to keep up with your requirements

[spark vortex]

what to do with a rasp pi zero w, what to do. Any ideas?

(and a couple picos, but those are less cool)

[opaque pond]

what is your budget?

[karmic trout]

Finally update for a Mac Mini announced

😎

[wet ore]

Personally, I would try to match these specs as closely as possible, it's not easy to find a laptop with over 6gb vram but they are definitely out there. search for "workstation laptops with gpus"

[median marsh]

i would say it depends on the projects and budget, and then my answer applies

[vivid skiff]

[amber mesa]

yeah, this isn't a topic worth fighting over

[bright tendon]

any air cooler for 7950x with headroom for overclocking?

[hoary lintel]

hey peops
i got a such a stupid problem i dont know any more answers for.

we bought a standalone case for our 3080ti so to run our packaged architectural walkthroughs on it with our 2080 laptop.
and most of them just work fine, accept the new gpu and run smoothly

but there is one particular stupid game that just outright refuses.
we told it in graphi settings to take it, it doesnt want to.
we deactivated the 2080, game used intels inside graphics.
we deactivated that as well, suddenly it takes just the CPU.

we're somewhat at the end of our latin as we like to say in german

[fallen oasis]

You could try removing the cpu too? 😂

[hoary lintel]

well we thought about deactivating the cpu but only for a quick laugh 😛

cpu gives a framerate of one
but its not 1 fps
more like 1ffe
1 frame forever

[north arch]

something like 30spf

[hoary lintel]

spf?

seconds per frame?

[lapis knot]

lol

[fallen oasis]

"Frame rate of one". It just renders 1 frame and then gives up.

[north arch]

yep

I believe seconds per frame was first used to describe crysis on high settings as a more useful metric than milliframes per second

[hoary lintel]

cant open bridge as well in that particular project, so must be something thats left from the migration of 4.27 to ue5.1 thats ffing us up

[royal rapids]

Thanks! Budget is around 4K$

[karmic trout]

Are you making PC or console games?

[vivid skiff]

4K USD can get you top of the line gaming laptops already

[flint cedar]

my mouse, keyboard, mic and headset all disconnects when am compiling code, (beside from mic everything else is wireless)

any reason and solution for this?
this does not happen when am playing high level games so idk what could be causing unreal engine to do that

[royal rapids]

PC VR

[karmic trout]

In which countries Mac Mini is cheaper or close to US prices?

[trim brook]

Games probably don't require your CPU that much.

If USB devices disconnect then it might be that your USB Driver died. Which of course shouldn't happen even with high CPU usage :D

[flint cedar]

USB driver died that sounds scary, any way i can confirm that or solve that if that is the case

[median marsh]

is windows really able to bring up a crashed driver again?

[flint cedar]

also I have played games that would use 100% of ram and almost gpu and high amount of cpu

[trim brook]

Pretty sure. I have a faulty port on my case that caused similar stuff

[trim brook]

If you want to check if it's high CPU usage, then you could simply download and perform a stresstest

fwiw you can also do the usual thing of updating everything you can

Including your USB Drivers if there are new ones for your Mainboard

[median marsh]

as a workaround you could limit the number of cores used for compile, but as eXi said, it shouldn't happen in the first place. pretty weird

[flint cedar]

ok

[flint cedar]

welp those are uptodate lol

[median marsh]

could also be a weak 5V power on your PSU

[flint cedar]

750W but its borunze so that could be an issue

[median marsh]

if you got an usb hub which has it's own power supply, it might be worth testing with everything connected to the HUB

nah, 750W should be okay, if it's not a cheap no name one

(and you dont use an amd epyc cpu :D)

[flint cedar]

people say borunze is bad 👀

[median marsh]

people say a lot of weird things about PSUs

[flint cedar]

got ryzen 7 👀

[median marsh]

yea that draws literary max 300W in total when you compile (measured that on a 5950x with 16 threads, full system was <300W)

[flint cedar]

it could be caused by rider, i was testing with other IDE and so far no issue, need to do further testing

[flint cedar]

so wait compiling in c++ draws 300W out of 750

[median marsh]

even less, 300W was on the plug, so it's ~270W if not less

[flint cedar]

idk if thats a lot or less lol in average comparing to other components using power

[median marsh]

just saying that's what's to be expected with full load on the cpu, so it wouldn't even come close to the limits of your 750W PSU

so unless something in the PSU is broken, it won't cause any issues for your USB stuff

[flint cedar]

my pc does randomly now and then restarts by itself

as if it shutsdown and within 1sec turn back on

[median marsh]

just shut off and restart?

well now that sounds like a power problem...

or some other faulty hardware

[flint cedar]

.> how do i check that

[median marsh]

stress test everything

[flint cedar]

sounds scary

[median marsh]

start with something that utilizes everything, like cinebench/furmark/etc.

[flint cedar]

idk never done these things and I don't wanna take any risks, but thx for the info I will see what I can do

[median marsh]

there aren't any real risks

hardware these days starts to throttle itself if it runs too hot

[flint cedar]

will shutting down and restarting damage anything in my pc?

like it has been doing

[median marsh]

no

but if it's really the PSU, it could cause damage long term, depending on what is defect

[trim brook]

Doing nothing is gonna bite you eventually

[median marsh]

you could start in the bios, there should be one page which lists the PSU voltages, take a photo from that, post it here and ping me

so at least you know that it doesn't work out of specs on a regular basis 😄

[flint cedar]

alright I will see if i can find it

[flint cedar]

where do I find this info from

[median marsh]

depends on your mainboard, so guess best place is to check the user manual

some mainboard bios might even tell you if there's something wrong

[flint cedar]

i will try look online

I found a software that seem to show voltage usage

its called HWMonitor @median marsh

[median marsh]

yea it might not show all, but it's a start

[flint cedar]

so what should i do now, i installed the thing

[median marsh]

make a screenshot of the voltages

under idle, and then under load (while you compile)

[north arch]

stupid question, but do you reside in north america?

[fallen oasis]

It's the NSA, clearly

[north arch]

if the voltage switch on the psu is set to rest-of-the-world 220V while line voltage is north american 120V, it can sometimes work with issues like this

but don't just flip the setting and try, if you're in a 220V country you will blow stuff up

[median marsh]

are there still PSUs with switches these days?

[north arch]

yes

they're higher efficiency

[median marsh]

i haven't seen them in a loooong time, but i live in EU

[flint cedar]

nope

[flint cedar]

i mean i have had this for about 3 years now so I am guessing it is 220v

[flint cedar]

do u want me to check just for cpu voltage usage

[median marsh]

no, all voltages that you can get

specially +5V

[flint cedar]

@median marsh I checked my cpu first and well the voltage seems stable not going high much comparing to idle, as for power it went from 20 -25W upto 35-40W

idk if that enough is relavent lol

now turning on rider after creating class seems to be using around 60W

nvm went to 70W for a sec

not stable values not sure if that matters

but all this is power being supplied to each core, am just giving average

(it goes from current value to min to max)

the current value seem to be unstable they seem to be going down to 1.200 or 1.300 and then back to 1.4kV

It did that thing again(my things got disconnected) but the values were stable, nothing really changed or spiked down or up

[median marsh]

those are all irrelevant

what's more relevant is the other voltage values from your mainboard

those

[flint cedar]

ok I will get thos

I was testing rn to see if perhaps Rider IDE is the issue here maybe

one thing noticed from trying different IDE, its faster to build file and restart unreal

and compile

[median marsh]

there's no way that this is related to the IDE

did you maybe pick another build target in one or the other?

the IDE always runs UBT (unreal build tool) which does the compiling, so there can't be any speed difference between IDEs

[flint cedar]

rider comes with its own build target not sure what it is but its set to default which builds only when unreal engine is close.
as for visual studio code am using

@median marsh

this was taken when things got disconnected

and this is the idle voltage (while having google stuff open no unreal)

this time for some reason when creating new unreal engine and opening it the disconnection happened again.
also I have unreal engine 5.0 and 5.1 installed (these tests were done using 5.1
also I don't get disconnection issue when making blueprint projects.
its only when I make C++

The fact disconnection happened while opening new unreal engine c++ project is weird

[median marsh]

well, that all looks kind of okay to me

you should make one screenshot while compiling (and having 100% cpu load)

[flint cedar]

what do u mean by 100% cpu load, like somehow make my cpu be used 100%

[median marsh]

yes, like compiling stuff...

[flint cedar]

if are taking about just compiling then nothing much changes, unless you want me to create multiple classes and compile them after to get higher cpu usage (sorry if am not understanding clearly)

[median marsh]

well, that would be ideal, otherwise just get something that stresses the cpu, like a cpu benchmark

[flint cedar]

well my ram is sky rocketing lol

also I deleted 5.1 and decided to just use 5.0 for now (its what am using for uni stuff as it is)
so far created and compiled few times (lots) and no disconnection issue with 5.0

[median marsh]

ok, that's weird tho

unreal shouldn't interfere with your OS drivers

[flint cedar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

2 years ago when I was using unreal engine I had no issue as such, unreal engine felt like a normal engine

now it feels like full of problems its almost as if it rejects me xD

maybe something about 5.1 is causing problem or maybe download issue who knows

at least 5.0 seems to be not causing any issue

compiled over 15 or something it went max up to 60% cpu usage

[median marsh]

ok, there's nothing standing out bad tho

and if you say it only happens with 5.1 and not 5.0 it might not be a hardware problem

[flint cedar]

good -.-

well i guess i will stick to 5.0.. kinda wanna spend time learning spend 3 days trying to make unreal work -.-

@median marsh thx alot for trying to help me <3

[frank glade]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/micron-unveils-24gb-and-48gb-ddr5-memory-modules

Hell yeah getting 96gb of ram

[vivid skiff]

Chaining 8 of them would be 384 GB of RAM

[lapis knot]

48 GB what the fuck

That's more than I have in one stick damn I want to get a fucking wait how much do they cost I need two of those

[north arch]

would you be interested in a usb ram stick?

[lapis knot]

no

[north arch]

why does no one want external high-speed usb-based ram?

[karmic trout]

cuz internal is better?

[north arch]

and not always suitably upgradeable

[lapis knot]

the write and read speeds are probably terrible

[north arch]

bandwidth is comparable to ram but usb overhead results in significant latency

[karmic trout]

One of the problems I think of is when you go to sleep mode external drive disconnects, no?

[karmic trout]

Just throw old one and buy new?

[opaque pond]

Do you know what kinds of speeds each have

And latency

[north arch]

usb can push 10GB/s, ddr5 barely bests 30GB/s, so it's probably fine as a swap file

[opaque pond]

What

[north arch]

not always possible, especially on some laptops

[opaque pond]

Only the cutting edge is 10GB/s

[karmic trout]

It's always possible on Desktop

[north arch]

yeah, comparing high speed 3.1 to the latest ram standard is fair

[opaque pond]

Also you are trying to pass a parallel interface thats next to a cpu over a serial interface that's very far away

Do you know what result that will have ?

[north arch]

some small form factors don't have enough slots

[opaque pond]

It's not just the GB/s

[north arch]

significantly increased access times

[opaque pond]

Yeah it will be no different than using a high speed external nvme as page file

You are actually better off with using your computer's ssd to do that

There is a reason no one has done it

It's dumb asf

[north arch]

nvme's slow and flash does wear out

[opaque pond]

You are limited by the bus anyway

And it won't even be cheaper than just getting more ram

[north arch]

which is, again, not always an option

[opaque pond]

When?

[north arch]

some laptops, small form factor computers, embedded systems, older processors...

[fossil sage]

Hi! I'm building a PC mainly for UE development (and occasionally some small machine learning tasks), will 4090 be much better and more future-proof than, let's say, 3090Ti, since they both have 24gb? (as in "performance per dollar" or smth)

Or maybe, can 3070Ti run the development just fine? (e.g. would something like "the Matrix City project with additional logic + more foliage + VR support" be smooth enough to work with?)

Currently it feels so wrong having to wait 1h for shaders compiling before opening any small example project (with my current setup), so I guess that more ram and more cpu cores should impact that more than any gpu upgrade?

I'm also curious if there's any point in getting 12900K instead of 12700K if I can't fit a 420mm cooling in a case, and all good 360mm are out-of-stock here, leaving only mediocre ones 🤔

[north arch]

regarding the cpu, upgrade potential when coolers are back in stock

[opaque pond]

Are you sure you want to go with water cooling?

[fossil sage]

That's a pretty good point, thank you ^^

[fossil sage]

Some research gave me the idea that only a nocturne d15 can decently keep up with a 12900k, and those are unavaliable here (also I just don't want heavy bulky air coolers to hang on a motherboard anymore)

[opaque pond]

I'd rather do that than have water inside my main pc

It sounds alot more frightening to have water

[agile lodge]

but is this fright?

https://youtu.be/axVrTfwW07U

[devout pendant]

is there a huge difference between 4000 dpi and 1600 dpi for a vertical mouse? Delux has a mouse similar to MX vertical, 25$ vs Logitech 90$.

[median marsh]

no

[devout pendant]

Logitech MX Vertical is so expensive. I'm going to buy Delux M618Plus instead, much cheaper

[median marsh]

unless you want movement in <0.01mm precision

[vivid skiff]

Even then games are supposed to be tested with average peripherals

[north arch]

Wow that looks like a terrible idea! Even industrial temperature range ICs are only rated to -40C. The thermal stresses and brittle materials...

[vivid skiff]

inb4 liquid helium cooler 24/7

[gleaming stone]

just finished building my UE5 rig

[mighty cosmos]

Nice, would recommend 64gb of ram tho

[gleaming stone]

is there anyway of limiting UE5 from using EVERY CPU thread while compiling? basically makes my PC unusable, would like to make it only use 30 of 32 so i can at least doom scroll YouTube or something while i wait for the compile to finish

[mighty cosmos]

Source code compiling or?

[gleaming stone]

any shader compile, just reallowed static lighting in my project and had to wait like 10-15 mins twiddling my thumbs lol

[mighty cosmos]

Ah no clue about shaders and lighting, someone else might know

[fallen oasis]

There's a setting where you can specify the number of processes it can use. I forget exactly where.

But it is possible.

An ini setting for in engine use. Xml for cpp compiling.

[serene dome]

There's a setting where you can specify the number of processes it can use. I forget exactly where.

BaseEngine.ini under DevOptions.Shaders for shader compiling. For Lightmass, you can configure it in the Swarm Agent's Settings tab.

[gleaming stone]

diamond, cheers guys

[frank glade]

see you on the flippity flop

[fallen oasis]

There's a global processor count override, for everything.

[devout pendant]

I'm going to reconsider buying the Delux M618Plus

found a review. It has a metallic weight inside for some reason, low quality sensor and somebody posted on reddit that it can damage your wrist because of its angle

[devout pendant]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/f67kvt/vertical_mouse_users_i_recommend_aganist_m618_plus/

[devout pendant]

gaming mouses have 16k - 20k dpi but are much more expensive

[spring rivet]

Hi guys, I was wondering, what's usually the VRAM usage for you in Unreal in different scenarios? I want to buy the 4070 ti but I'm worried about it having only 12gb of VRAM...

[vivid skiff]

12 GB VRAM is sufficient for making games, but might not enough for linear cinematic filmmaking

[spring rivet]

That's great then! Thanks for the help

[prime lotus]

Any tips for building ue5 computer? Thinking about AM5 vs AM4 amd platform (if 5700X is enough) and gpu is another question (3060 rtx seems to be quite budget option but is it worth it the savings?]

[fallen oasis]

You can pretty much get away with anything with 16 threads, 32gb of memory and at least 10-12gb of vram and an ssd. Obviously much more is much better.

I would not recommend going lower than those specs.

[median marsh]

well, depends on what kind of projects you have in mind

for a lot of simple things you might get away with 8 cores/16 threads and still have a comfortable environment seems like we agree on this ^^

[fallen oasis]

Ah. Yeah. I should say 16 threads.

[prime lotus]

5700X has 12threads, interesting i would expect to be enough - nope i am wrong it has 16 sorry 😄

[fallen oasis]

You're probably okay with that tbh. It'll only effect things like building shaders and lighting.

As long as the single thread is good.

And, ah, it's 16. You're fine.

Paget systems has good UE performance graphs.

[zinc ingot]

Hi all! Can I upload here a screenshot from my browser with a PC build for 1440p gaming? It`s not in english, the site have no ENG language option sorry. And tell me please if this build is O.K.? I am not a PC tech expert, and my english is also kinda rusty sorry 🙂

[fallen oasis]

Your English is fine.

And go for it.

[zinc ingot]

So this is it. Mainly for 1440p gaming. I have a 12 years old PC. So I need to upgrade 🙂

[prime lotus]

Hard to say if AMD is not better price/performance. Hi from Czech Republic! 🙂

[zinc ingot]

I have currently a 2nd generation i5 Cpu, so I`d like to stick with Intel i5 preferably. Hi there! 🙂

[prime lotus]

I am also running on OCed 2500k sandy bridge but thinking about AM4 platform because of the pricing with new AM5

[zinc ingot]

You can link, what build you have in plan to buy, if you want. I take a look (as a non-pc-tech-expert).

[median marsh]

i would rather get M2 NVME ssd's than this old SATA garbage 😄

[zinc ingot]

I checked those too, SSD integraded right into the main board is cool, but very expensive.

[median marsh]

not that much more expensive, if more expensive at all...

[zinc ingot]

Other components sit?

[median marsh]

i would pick a 3090 over a 4070, at least for dev work...

[prime lotus]

https://www.alza.cz/kingston-kc3000-nvme-1tb-d6817197.htm

[median marsh]

i see euro, which country are you from?

[vivid skiff]

.cz = Czech

[zinc ingot]

me Slovakia

[median marsh]

that's another person

hm okay, don't know how hardware prices are there

[zinc ingot]

The prices are changing each day.

[median marsh]

2TB 970 evo m2 nvme is 175€ here, so it costs the same as the 4TB sata one

[zinc ingot]

so choose m2 SSD , which is intergrated into the main board is better solution? Thx for help! I check again the prices.

[median marsh]

wait that was B2B without VAT nvm it wasnt

[vivid skiff]

In the long run, yeah

[prime lotus]

This is my current UE5 planned build @zinc ingot https://www.alza.cz/nakupni-seznamy.htm?sharelist=7A666C70676D6A7C6

not sure about the power supply

[median marsh]

e.g. this one: https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2TB-Samsung-970-Evo-Plus-M-2-2280-PCIe-3-0-x4-3D-NAND-TLC--MZ-V7S2T0BW-_1310140.html

it's ~200€ but it's a trustworthy seller

[prime lotus]

well its not integrated, its just connected to the mother board (je to podobne jako SATA, akorat se to vlozi do konektoru na zakladni desce)

[median marsh]

well, the ones you can plug on the mainboard are ~10 times faster

[spice girder]

I would put min 32 gb of ram in the pc for unreal

[prime lotus]

is 970 better than Kingston KC3000? probably worth the swap

[median marsh]

i don't have experience with the kingston

[prime lotus]

its planned, only one set of ram is included

[median marsh]

but 3x Samsung 970 Evo (Plus) without problems

[spice girder]

no

[prime lotus]

seems to be slower (samsung)

but maybe more reliable since price is similar

ah PCIE 3 vs 4 (kingston)

[zinc ingot]

what mans NVMe in SSD description?

[median marsh]

you don't need cooling compound, the cooler is shipped with some

and i personally would go for a x570 mainboard

[spice girder]

the kc3000 is newer

[median marsh]

nvme is just a term for SSD

[prime lotus]

better chipset? I will conside that

[median marsh]

yes, if you plan to add a 2nd SSD it plays a role

[prime lotus]

ah right..

[median marsh]

usually only the first SSD and GPU have direct connection to the cpu, everything else goes through the chipset (sound, network, 2nd ssd, any other pci ex cards)

on B550 the speed from chipset to cpu is pciex3, on x570 it's pciex4

so way faster

[prime lotus]

not sure how far to the future i should look with the fact that I am ignoring AM5 platform and staying with AM4

but probably woth the extra penny

[median marsh]

AM4 is still a pretty solid platform imho

guess that system will last you a bunch of years

[prime lotus]

my current i5 2500k + 970 is running solid 12years 😄

[zinc ingot]

I found only this 3090 in my country to buy: MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Ti GAMING TRIO 24G for 1329 ,- Eur So I think 4070 Ti for around 925,- Eur is better, also less Watts it consumes, I guess. But half the VRam of the 3090 Ti . I just want this PC for gaming in 1440p

[prime lotus]

https://www.alza.cz/asus-prime-x570-p-d5626677.htm or https://www.alza.cz/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-pro-wifi-ii-d6736075.htm but i dont need wifi etc

gotta go, thx for suggestions, will read rest later, good night!

[median marsh]

i guess the X570-P will do for you

also way cheaper apparently

[zinc ingot]

so I change the 1 TB SSD I had in the build I sent above (on the pic) to this: Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 1000 GB SSD - disk M.2 (PCIe 3.0 4x NVMe), TLC (Triple-Level Cell) right? I can`t find a 4 TB version for a good/lower price like the one above on pic. or I send the pic again here:
Can this SSD M.2 work together with the 4 TB SSD on the picture belove? Like I said I am not a pc tech expert 🙂

[median marsh]

yes they will work together

how much is the 2TB version for you?

i would really consider going 2x 2TB M2, and removing the other SSDs from the list

that should cost you about the same, will be way faster (but you'll only have 4TB instead of 5TB)

which should be sufficient for a while, and you can add a normal SATA ssd later if you run out of space

[zinc ingot]

On this website I can not find any M.2 SSD, or I am blind really.

I had to find it on other site.

[median marsh]

give me a link to the website please

[zinc ingot]

in DM I guess, because its not english one

[median marsh]

you can post it here, i'll take the strike if that's against the rules 😄

[zinc ingot]

https://tvojpc.sk/ Pevné disky >>> Interné disky (Hard Drives>>> Internal Drives)

[median marsh]

https://tvojpc.sk/produkt/samsung-970-evo-plus-2tb-mz-v7s2t0bw/

[zinc ingot]

moment

https://tvojpc.sk/produkt/samsung-970-evo-plus-1tb-mz-v7s1t0bw/ Can`t find a 4 TB version of M.2 unfortunately.

[median marsh]

there isn't, that's why i said to take 2x 2TB M.2 instead of 1x4TB + 1x1TB SATA

[zinc ingot]

thx

[median marsh]

don't buy the SATA ssds that you had in the list at all, neither of them

[zinc ingot]

ok thx are they outdated or ?

[median marsh]

if you run out of the 4TB you can still consider getting an SATA SSD, or another 2TB M.2 (since your board seems to have 3 slots for them)

well, SATA is limited to 600MB/sec, the M.2 ones will do 3500MB/sec

so 5 times faster

and SATA goes always through the chipset, which again shares bandwidth with other components like network, sound, etc.

SATA is good for HDDs, but it limits modern SSDs

[zinc ingot]

Thx for infos.

I had in plan to buy 1 TB ssd for windows 11 and 4 TB SSd for games, videos, pics etc.

How many GB Win 11 installation needs?

[median marsh]

no idea

[zinc ingot]

and the i5-13600 K is enough for games and for few years right?

[median marsh]

consider using the first 2TB for windows + unreal stuff (you'll be happy about having 2TB at some point) and 2TB for games

idk anything about the new intel cpu's, our expert in that field just left the server a few days ago 😄

[zinc ingot]

Who it was? Ohh

[median marsh]

Laura

[zinc ingot]

Why She left? Sad news. I was talking with Her before here.

[median marsh]

no idea

but searching in this channel for 13600k it seems like many people picked that one and don't regret it

[zinc ingot]

Thx for helps and suggestions to all! ❤️

Well, I forgot to ask 1 more question. My current PC have this problem: when I launch a game, the monitor switch turns orange (from green) and after that few seconds later, my PC have some very loud strange noise, and it totally freezes. I picked out the rams, cleaned them, but still doing this. Which component could be the prblem here? Any idea how to figure it out? Its`s a very old pc probably thats why, but I am sad about it, really! Thx!

[zinc ingot]

Is this PC capable of 1440p gaming?
https://www.alza.sk/EN/rapture-alder-core-rtx3060ti-d7365926.htm#parametry

[wind egret]

Yes

[north arch]

https://www.semianalysis.com/p/austrias-silent-monopolies-on-advanced

[north arch]

the country's smaller than my home state, for reference

[zinc ingot]

Hi again! Can anyone recommend a good PC Cleaner program to me please? Can be a paid one, but with 1 time purchase if possible, not a program which needs to be paid every year. Thx!

[lapis knot]

Don't use any of them

use built in things like storage sense

storage clean up

and delete files manually

if you're on windows that is

Honestly if something is really fucked with your PC or you're too lazy you could always reset it and backup what you do need

[fallen oasis]

That or it's the thousands of viruses that are clogging up his system from the prolific porn habit he's developed.

[frank glade]

Just buy your porn like successful indie game devs do

[mighty cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/ahem-liz-lemon-30rock-can-i-talk-im-about-to-say-something-gif-21903979

#rules

[devout pendant]

it seems that cheap mosue with 30.000 dpi doesn't exist. I'm looking for some option at around 4k dpi

I don't even think that 30k DPI is necessary

[median marsh]

i don't even think that 4k dpi is necessary

[devout pendant]

found one article comparing to screen resolution and a monitor with with such high dpi doesn't exist

[median marsh]

a monitor has usually ~72 - 150dpi

highest DPI you'll find in mobile devices these days, which can have ~500dpi as they have small screens with high resolution

[mighty cosmos]

you don't need more than 800, anything more than that is useless/pointless

[devout pendant]

found a site describing mouse acceleration and pooling rate

https://thegamingsetup.com/gaming-mouse/buying-guides/flawless-mouse-sensor-list lowest dpi in this list is 3000

[mighty cosmos]

Pixart generally has the best sensors
It will usually have at least 8k DPI generally, most professional players usually use 400-800 dpi
Pooling rate is unrelated to the sensor

[devout pendant]

I'm more concerned about vertical mouse than 30k dpi

[median marsh]

well, the polling rate should at least hold up with the sensor resolution 😄

oh nvm, apparently polling rate is mouse => pc

not sensor => mouse

yea well, even 500hz polling is pointless

if your mouse position only updates at 100fps for example

[fallen oasis]

Surely, though, if you move the mouse quickly, there's a chance the sensor may get desynced from what it's sensing? So a higher polling rate is better, even if it's higher than the mouse update rate.

Say, for instance, you have a regular surface, you may move it sufficiently between imaging that it thinks it hasn't moved - akin to how a car's tyres can seem to stand still or go backwards when it's moving forward at speed.

Assuming polling rate is linked to the cmos capture speed, at least.

[median marsh]

it's not, that was an wrong assumption of me

apparently it's the rate at which the mouse reports updates to the host/computer

but as you said, the sampling frequency of the sensor plays a high role, too

but since they seem to have low resolution ~19x19 pixel sensors, i guess that the high dpi mouses always have an high enough sample rate of the sensor data

[west quail]

ok so I bought this laptop and everything is fine with it besides the fact that the battery doesn't function correctly (so it never charges), It says thats the error when booting up the pc, just want to know if I replace it will that fix the problem
maybe rhetorical but want to hear other experiences

[obtuse rapids]

Well, I WAS warned

[fallen oasis]

About?

[obtuse rapids]

Not getting the rated speed when it's in 128
GB

I was hoping to get about 4,800 but this was my first custom loop and we're just doing the first initial posting

[fallen oasis]

Ah.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure everyone has been saying "4 sticks and you'll get slower ram" for the past year in here 😛

[obtuse rapids]

Indeed - I wonder if there would be some script one could set up where You could disable two out of the four sticks and then run the and then run the two others at full speed

Would require a reboot but I didn't think you could do that with BIOS profiles that just disable the RAM like it's a component in the device manager, I would think you just have to pull out the dimm.itself

.

Incidentally I can't figure out why I can't see my bio screen if I have my GPU plugged in - If I unplug it, everything posts fine and I can fiddle with bio stuff -. Doesn't matter if I have the GPU plugged into a monitor or not, Even when I am getting a cable from the integrated graphics I can't see anything

When I unplug the PSU connection to the video card and turn the system back on it's fine

[fallen oasis]

I would yank out b2 and a2 and see what happens.

[obtuse rapids]

I already did that, that wasn't the issue

[fallen oasis]

Set the speeds manually and hope for the best?

[obtuse rapids]

Literally right now if I turn off the system, disconnect main power, then pull the PSU cable from the GPU itself, It will work - I moved on from the memory for the time being I'm just trying to figure out why the GPU won't work and conjunction

[fallen oasis]

Insufficient power?

Are you using the same rail for the gpu and the motherboard?

[obtuse rapids]

No idea but it's a 1600 w power supply I'm pretty sure I'm good on that front

There is a six-pin plug that I was told I could use that plugs into the motherboard as an additional power device and that is plugged in on VGA 3

[median marsh]

raising memory voltage can help, but you should know what you are doing

[obtuse rapids]

Guys this has nothing to do with memory right now

All four sticks are in and the system will post just fine unless the GPU is powered on

Right now my plan is just to install Windows using integrated graphics and then see what happens after the fact

[median marsh]

so wait

[fallen oasis]

If it won't post without windows installed, it won't post with it installed.

[median marsh]

it posts with gpu if you remove some memory sticks?

[obtuse rapids]

I haven't tried doing that particular thing I figured it wouldn't be related to the GPU whatsoever

Either it post with four sticks or it doesn't

[fallen oasis]

If it won't post when your gpu is plugged in, you may have a faulty gpu.

[obtuse rapids]

Granted it's still plugged into the PCIe 5 slot via the vertical riser cable but it's not plugged into the PSU

[fallen oasis]

Or it's not seated correctly

Or a faulty motherboard. Or faulty power cables. Or a faulty PSU.

[median marsh]

i would try without the riser first

before you try anything else

[fallen oasis]

Or just tried unplugging the riser and plugging it back in.

Make sure the connections are secure. Try a different pci-e slot.

[median marsh]

nah, fully try without, if it posts once, you can still mess with the riser

just to know if it may introduce further trouble later on

[obtuse rapids]

It fully post to BIOS if I have it unplugged

I've tried to receipt it - before I put this card in it was working in another machine

[fallen oasis]

Also, if you have a 4090, make sure the power clips are all the way in.

[obtuse rapids]

It's a 3090

[fallen oasis]

Oh nevermind then.

[obtuse rapids]

I tried reseeting the riser cable as well no change

[fallen oasis]

Plug it directly into the mobo, like Ben said.

[obtuse rapids]

I don't think you can in this case, literally

[fallen oasis]

The case won't close? Or there's physically not enough room due to drive bays, etc. ?

Is your CPU cooler too big?

[obtuse rapids]

The video card is too big

The case slots won't work It's the hyte y60

[fallen oasis]

No idea what a hyte y60 is.

You didn't say why it's too big.

What's in the way?

The physical edge of the case?

[obtuse rapids]

Yes

[fallen oasis]

You must have bought a tiny case.