hardware

[vivid skiff]

Also with RTX 3060 you get better performance and also more VRAM to spare at 6 GB

You might be bottlenecked on RAM loading all the chunks for the editor, though it's fairly generous in 16 GB of RAM, as long as you don't have much overhead from background apps

Multiple screens.
Use one for reference or putting code/BP editor aside.

[agile lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556205794241151021/1052987189413286019/107189-1.webp

[dreamy sphinx]

um got any links to a laptop sorry im not that good with hardware

[median marsh]

lenovo legion 5 is a popular choice here

[crimson whale]

my pc is coming today

[vivid skiff]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Display-GeForce-Windows-FA507RM-ES73/dp/B0B7QZSFS3

[vagrant anvil]

so far, not having a great time with the 7900 XTX in 5.1 https://twitter.com/kwshipman/status/1603501605986664449

Kelly Shipman (@kwshipman)

trying one of my @UnrealEngine 5.1 projects on with the new @amdradeon 7900 XTX and.... uh... there is something wrong. 😆 other projects seemed ok.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Dec 15, 2022, 9:25 PM

4.26 was mostly on par with gaming reviews. really good with rasterized, not as good with ray tracing. Though one rasterized project was as fast as a 4080, a different rasterized project was slower than a 3080 and I can't figure out the difference

hopefully a driver update will help

[vagrant anvil]

I did not take that into consideration. I'll reach out to some of the partners and see if they have any spare Xes laying around. Maybe I can just download them...

[dreamy sphinx]

oh okay

[foggy rampart]

well that's surprising considering the fact that AMD is working with Epic closely. I'm aiming for xtx too, but still not availabe in shops

[pallid flume]

What sort of hardware related problems could be causing 17FPS on a blank level in a new project?

[median marsh]

using the wrong GPU, e.g. integrated vs. dedicated on a laptop or desktop which has an cpu with gpu

or the usual bottlenecks where there's just not enough system memory / etc.

[pallid flume]

so what if performance was fine at 60FPS for weeks but now all of a sudden everything is slow?

[median marsh]

could be like 10 different things

what does the taskmanager say, where's the bottleneck?

[pallid flume]

I ran a test with the windows application version of Userbenchmark and it kept showing that the GPU was underperforming.

So....?

[median marsh]

so should i keep guessing?

WHAT is at 100% in the taskmanager?

CPU/GPU/Memory

one of them will be most likely at 100%

[median marsh]

is the 2060 the only GPU?

[pallid flume]

it's the only one in task manager

[median marsh]

this is while UE is running at 16fps?

this cpu apparently has an iGPU

check your unreal logs, to see which one unreal picked up at startup

[pallid flume]

Sounds good, but real quick all off my applications are defaulting to GPU 0, which is the 2060

[frank glade]

I think that should show up in task manager if used

[median marsh]

ok

i have no idea then

[pallid flume]

Please list all of these possibility's for the sake of my own sanity.

I have messed with the BIOS
I have changed my Nvidia driver version multiple times
I have made sure both fans are spinning
I ran the Laptop with the back off for air flow

I just today got the laptop back after being professionally cleaned internally as well as a reapplication of the thermal paste. Which cost me like 120+ filipin dollars.

Absolutely nothing is working...

A new unreal Engine 5.0 and 5.1 level, literally a blank boring canvas of nothing but a floor plane and directional light rendered with an i7 10750H and an RTX 2060..... 16FPS.....

what tf do I do?

[median marsh]

check the startup logs, which gpu it picked...

[fallen oasis]

Do you have problems with playing actual games?

[median marsh]

you just now said it's a laptop, which might behave a bit different than a desktop with igpu

[pallid flume]

yes

[pallid flume]

16 FPS with one vehicle spawned in on Beam.ng drive
16 FPS customizing character in halo reach

[fallen oasis]

Is it always 16 fps? Not below or above?

[median marsh]

that almost sounds like you installed yourself a fps limiter

[pallid flume]

pretty much around that amount.
my nanite scene is at 22FPS
Halo is at around 15-18
Beam.ng is pretty much always 16

[fallen oasis]

Ah so not always 16 fps.

I was thinking you might have some ridiculous 16 hz refresh rate and it's capping the fps there.

When you run these games, does your performance in task manager change? Does it cap the cpu or gpu?

[pallid flume]

by cap do you mean temps?
because the GPU has never gone above 53 Celcius

[fallen oasis]

No. I mean performance utilisation.

[median marsh]

the thing is, in laptops the data somehow always goes through the igpu, not?

[fallen oasis]

These

[fallen oasis]

And this

[pallid flume]

Just as an example with my nanite scene

[fallen oasis]

Do stat unit in teh console

It should give a few more details

[fallen oasis]

Your gpu isn't good enough.

[median marsh]

also that's not an empty scene ....

[median marsh]

but i don't accept "your gpu isn't good enough"

and i wont accept anymore screenshot until you checked your damn unreal logs for the GPU

[fallen oasis]

I think there's a "stat render" or something.

It should autocomplete.

But, yes, do what Ben is saying.

[pallid flume]

I'll get one right now

[fallen oasis]

You may have to disable the cpu igpu in the bios.

[median marsh]

i think you cant on a laptop?

[fallen oasis]

Shrug

[median marsh]

since they somehow share the same display?!

[fallen oasis]

I don't do laptops.

[pallid flume]

by log you mean this?

[median marsh]

so i think dedicated gpu fills framebuffer in igpu, and igpu sends image to display

[fallen oasis]

That's the one

Copy and paste the entire thing and put it on pastebin.

[median marsh]

search for UHD please

[pallid flume]

no results

[median marsh]

ok

so it picks the 2060 then

i guess your problem isn't unreal related then

specially since you said other stuff also performs bad

[pallid flume]

yea, thats whats annoying.

[fallen oasis]

https://www.cgdirector.com/how-to-disable-integrated-graphics-igpu/

I would try this.

It may not be relevant to your system, but it can't hurt to give it a go.

[pallid flume]

thought it was a bloated windows drive issue, I only had like 5GB left on the drive.

Just moved space off earlier to today and no improvement.

[pallid flume]

thanks, I'll check this out

@fallen oasis, @median marsh One last piece of info, (sorry to bother)

I talked to the repair guy in town and he said he completely cleaned out the inside and re-applied thermal paste.

Then said "if that doesn't help the next move is to replace the fans and heatsink"

what do you guys think of that?

[median marsh]

i think that fool should have checked the fans in the first place

[fallen oasis]

I think if it's not a heat problem, he's trying to scam you.

[pallid flume]

damn

[fallen oasis]

You can check your heat with something like motherboard monitor.

[median marsh]

task manager said gpu was at 50°C which is fine

and cpu wasn't throttling either

so i also dont think that its a thermal issue

[pallid flume]

I keep thinking this but the weird thing is I turned the laptop on it's side and removed the back and it seemed to fix all the problems but only for like 20-30 mins. Then it went right back to terrible performance

I have a hard time thinking it isnt a thermal issue because when It had more air to breathe it functioned as expected.

[median marsh]

and you tell that now....

after wasting 15 minutes...

[pallid flume]

It just makes no damn sense,

The GPU has never gone above 53 Celcius
but yet more airlfow seemed to help.....

[fallen oasis]

The guy at the shop replacing your thermal paste will have been doing that to your cpu, not your gpu.

So you probably wasted money on that.

[pallid flume]

damn

[pallid flume]

Is this info any more helpful?
it's not like I withheld the answer from you

C'mon man

[median marsh]

yes it is, because that makes it sound more like a hardware than a software problem

as long as you didnt forget to mention anything else...

[pallid flume]

Ok, But My first question was ↓

#hardware message

("What sort of hardware related problems could be causing 17FPS on a blank level in a new project?")

I had already assumed that it was hardware, thats what I lead on with.
and no theres nothing else I have for info.

Lenovo Is just a slab of sun dried cow dung.

1,200 Laptop and yet it has cost me 0ver 400$ to repair over like a 4 year period.

[fallen oasis]

Laptops are bad.

You could have gotten a dekstop twice as powerful for $1600.

And not had to rpeair it.

[pallid flume]

yea well thats my next god damn move.

RTX 3070's and those Ryzen GPU's are lookin pretty tasty.

A hell of a lot more tasty than this moldy peice of bread im typing on...

[fallen oasis]

Was there a reason you want for a laptop?

[median marsh]

laura is just sitting there eating popcorn

[pallid flume]

lol

[fallen oasis]

Isn't that the glass stuff from w7?

[pallid flume]

I love how out of every picture I sent you so easily read between the lines and some how realized the background was transparent. lol

To be honest..... I forgot until you reminded me..

it's 3rd party windows software.
it was a software package for $30,

(cant confirm whether or not it works with Win11 OS)

[fallen oasis]

Not sure how to reply to that one, Laura.

Touché

[pallid flume]

I don't remember all of the software features but one of them looks like this

[fallen oasis]

Also, there's a reply button?

[pallid flume]

It was a software package

[fallen oasis]

Oh. That. I just right click.

I was more hoping for a reply keybind for the last sent message.

[pallid flume]

You thought that transparent file explorer was cool, wait until you see my tool bar

[fallen oasis]

That just looks like glass from w7

[pallid flume]

(I know it's almost the same)

Well then get a load of this desktop screen!

I know, A+ in organisation

[fallen oasis]

You have to select hte message first.

Which is just a ballache

Shift+tab -> up

Indeed.

[fallen oasis]

A simple ctrl+r would be lovely. Except that appears to be refresh.

Actually, just tab -> up -> r doe sit.

No need for shift.

Just remembering it is annoying.

[vagrant anvil]

I'm sure this can be fixed by changing some project settings, or worst case in a driver update. when the 6900 XT launched I saw some issues in Unreal that were eventually fixed.

[fallen oasis]

There were massive issues with those amd cards back in the day

[vagrant anvil]

I saw that issue in that one project in 5.1. the same project in 4.26 was fine. Also City Sample and Valley of the Ancient both seemed fine. If you do go AMD, just be prepared to find a work around or wait for driver updates

and if you want Ray Tracing, just go Nvidia

I missed a 2. fixed 😆

[pallid flume]

I'm getting 14FPS on a literal blank Unreal Engine level and project.
There's nothing here, yet I'm at such low performance.

I was just at 60FPS with nanite scenes the other day.

MSI afterburner is displaying GPU clock speeds at 300MHz
any idea how to solve this problem?

(in the Unreal Editor detail stats that you can display on the screen)
all of the bottlenecking is coming from the GPU

(it's an RTX2060 btw)

(laptop)

[vivid skiff]

Finally got myself some new hardware
Can't wait to bring her to work more

[devout pendant]

I just bought 8GB DDR3L 1600 Samsung in shopee. ~10$ USD

my laptop has 4GB soldered and 4GB removable.

[fallen oasis]

DDR3 ?!

[vivid skiff]

DDR3 might be a little more painful for UE work 🤔

Haven't made my own comparison with DDR4 though, which I now have

Also different model could mess up dual channel (though I doubt it's the case if the other RAM is soldered in)

[median marsh]

ddr3 is fine for UE

i worked quite a while with ddr2....

[vivid skiff]

I'd say not as huge margin as HDD and SSD

Also CPU grunt

Those two IMO are the most defining factors for compile time

[pallid flume]

Just talked to someone on discord last night that discovered my GPU is locking at a max Core Clock Speed of 300MHz
MSI Afterburner seems unable to move the clock speed in any direction.

I am almost certain now that something is forcing my GPU to a Core Clock Speed of 300MHz and is overwriting any attempt to change it.

(been having problems with performance for weeks)

any ideas?

[fallen oasis]

Sounds like thermal throttling, given your other input.

[pallid flume]

even though the gpu has never gone above 53 Celsius?

[median marsh]

well, you said it's fixed when turning the laptop

maybe it tries to enable the fan, but notices that the fan doesn't spin (because it's damaged) and therefor it wont clock higher

so first thing i would check is if the GPU fan is working

[sterile bobcat]

Should i get a better cpu

[fallen oasis]

The answer to that question is always yes.

The real question is, can you afford one?

And fi you can, is it worth it for what you do?

[vivid skiff]

If budget is not an issue, top of the line CPUs like Threadripper would be suggested

[fallen oasis]

Epyc Genoa?

Per core?!

😛

Jesus.

12 hcannels of DDR5-4800 memory, up to a total of 6gb.

[zinc lintel]

Built a new pc, installed steam, the pc turned off and doesn't want to turn on. Any tips how to approach it?

Power button does nothing. The one on board does nothing either

Reset CMOS. Its on. Another try, hope it won't crash. My pressure jumped th moment it went off 😱

They should be. My fingers still ache from trying to push the ATX cable in to a click

thanks, will do so

[zinc lintel]

looks like it was caused by OpenHardwareMonitor, just a speculation
The system crashed multiple times requiring CMOS clear to post, each time OHM was running. This time I tried hwinfo and no crash in the last 30 minutes

[fallen oasis]

Fuck that's it.

I knew I had a thing like that installed.

I can never remember what it's called.

[pallid flume]

attention everyone in this goddamn discord.

I have not done anything on my computer for 2 weeks.
Every waking hour of my life has been getting my GPU clock speed to not be locked at 300MHz.

It's completely un-usable.
GPU power throttling is completely ruining my laptop and work.

Something inside the laptop is screwing with the GPU and is forcing the Clock speed of an RTX2060 down to 300MHz and it is calling it a "Performance Limit due to power"

how do I %1000 remove GPU power throttling?

[fallen oasis]

Is your laptop on battery power?

[pallid flume]

im plogged in and the device is on thermal mode

[fallen oasis]

I have no idea what thermal mode is.

It might be a power saving thing.

[pallid flume]

(performance)

[fallen oasis]

I would check your advanced power saving settings.

There's definitely one to limit gpu power.

[pallid flume]

every setting I have seen so far is set to change the GPU and CPU as little as possible

how do I tell if the cooling is working though?

do you mean the CPU and GPU temps?

GPU temps have never been above 60
(except for once, it was at 84 for a few seconds)

GPU temps have never, not even once cause "thermal" throttling
But something keeps forcing the GPU to be power throttled/

well that's a really good Idea,

Had I known that laptop hardware and monitoring laptop hardware was as hard and "anti-consumer" as this. I would have bought a Gameboy made with radioactive materials before I even looked at this old useless slab of sun dried cow dung.

[fallen oasis]

Laptop hardware isn't anti-consumer. Cheap/bad hardware is anti-consumer.

I'm sure there are plenty of good laptops.

It's also a lot easier to break laptops. They're more mobile, so more vulnerable to being moved and taking kinetic damage.

To use a gamer term.

Also wildly more vulnerable to thermal damage.

[pallid flume]

yea its just absolutely ridiculous.
$1200 laptop, $500's worth of repairs

still doesn't work.

I'm so pissed I'm about to ruin my life and bankrupt myself and go buy some disgusting decepticon lookin Desktop that can fart in the general direction of any Quantum Computer in a lab and can render Blender scenes in less time than my neural synapses can fire...

had enough

[fallen oasis]

Don't buy a flashy looking desktop.

[pallid flume]

here's the idea folks...

ask a meaningful family member if they are considering buying a laptop for anything other than google chrome.

if they say no, let them live.
If they say yes, never talk to them again...

[north arch]

if they use chrome, disown them

also note that your reported gpu temperature is only accurate where the sensor is, and not elsewhere on the die or in the cooling system

[fallen oasis]

Plus it may just be wrong.

[vivid skiff]

Does HWInfo put out any sus stats?

[wind egret]

But cheap/bad hardware is pro-consumer... you become a more consuming consumer because of it. 🎂

[vivid skiff]

HWInfo is handy to look through more detailed hardware stats and narrow down the root cause

[pallid flume]

I am monitoring my GPU stats in HWINFO64, and I have discovered that each time my gpu turns to TRUE for "Performance Limit - Power"
The GPU clock speed is forced down to 300MHz

Any way to stop this?

(look at this graph, you can see the clock speed graph is perfectly contrasted with the Power throttling graph)

("Performance Limit - Power" turns to true, the GPU clock speed falls to 300MHz)

here's another pic but from a few sec's ago.
GPU speeds are higher, waiting to go under load, but also you can see in this one the Performance limit is off

there some form of a correlation here

[pallid flume]

also @vivid skiff, I believe this is what you were referring to earlier about suspicious stats.

#hardware message

[pallid flume]

Performance Limit - Power just turned on and took full effect a few seconds ago.
Wattage is within 70 - 85

GPU just got forced again down to 300MHz

see what I mean?

GPU is still being limited by power limit even though wattage is at 65...
So why power throttle the card if it's only at 60-65?

[pallid flume]

ok you have brought up fan speed but how do I get the speed.

I have been looking for it and I'm trying to see if they are underperforming but I have not been able to tell because I cant find the stat.

laura, you brought up about fan speed, do you no where to look to see the speeds?

[vivid skiff]

IIRC HWInfo list fan speed as well

[pallid flume]

ok, got new info.
The following is a screen shot of the GPU stats directly after closing a game.

so i suppose this would be a a way to simulate a laptop underload and then suddenly not under load and idling.

obviously pretty common since that's what happens when you exit games but look at the craziness in the graph.

the moment I close the game, the GPU wattage shoots way up to 130W+
as soon as this happens, the power throttling kicks in, in turn lowering the the clock speed

I have been able to reproduce this issue twice now.

any ideas?

[flint lichen]

Yo I'm going to help my family buy and assemble gaming build for my cousin, I already got GeForce 970 4gb and I have about 1000$ to spend for the rest of the box + some monitor

Where would u start?

My only experience was building high end pc so I'm not sure on what should I spend the most and where should I save with limited budget

[vivid skiff]

GTX 970 could be paired with 16 GB of RAM, an SSD, and a modest mid range 4 core CPU, and a modest 1080p 60 Hz (or 75 Hz) monitor

That is of course implying he/she's only going to use it for playing games as opposed to doing gamedev work

[flint lichen]

ye he is eleven

[vivid skiff]

Those alone could spare few more hundred bucks, though I'd suggest getting newer GPU like GTX 10xx or GTX 16xx if you still have the remaining money. Otherwise GTX 970 will still play latest games at playable framerates

[flint lichen]

We have this spare 970 so I thought let's start with that, get some good setup besides that so then he can upgrade GPU when he needs better one, so that he won't have to care too much about other parts later

[vivid skiff]

Yeah, then the specs I suggested would be a good start, and taken care well, can hold up to newer mid range GPUs

[frank glade]

970 was great...mine died and replaced it with a 1060 with similar performance and it kept me going for years

[flint lichen]

well that may sound stupid but do I need any cooling besides case fans?

[vivid skiff]

CPU coolers.

Though water cooler would be overkill for mid range 4 core CPU

[flint lichen]

lmk if you'd change anything here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vvmXqm

[median marsh]

i would change whatever limits your productivity

[vivid skiff]

Those looks good.

[vivid skiff]

Context:
#hardware message

[median marsh]

i would remove the HDD and use a 2TB SSD instead

or rather, if it's an annoying kid, keep the HDD

so he is busy waiting on loading screens

[flint lichen]

xD

i thought that kids can download risky things so it would be better to place his download folder on hdd

[median marsh]

you can partition the sdd, too

so it ends up as C: and D:

[flint lichen]

okay seems legit

[vivid skiff]

You can also replace the HDD with 3.5" SSD

It's less expensive than the PCIe / bubble gum form factor counterparts

[median marsh]

or that

and usually they are fast enough for games

[flint lichen]

I've found 2TB Kingston KC3000 in my store at discount so I think ill take this one

[opaque pond]

How would someone rank the following gpus for unreal?
Rx 6600
Rtx 3060
Rx 6700xt
Rtx3060ti
Rtx 3080 10gb
Rtx 3090
Rx 6900xt
Rtx 4080
Rtx 4090
Rx 7900xt
Rx 7900xtx?

[fallen oasis]

Look at performance charts.

puget has a load of them.

[median marsh]

some would say you should sort them by the amount of Xs

for me, it's 3060, 3090, then the rest

because you cant have enough vram and they offer the best price/vram value from nvidia

[vivid skiff]

Also for development, NVIDIA GPU has the most compatibility to test rendering features with (just because some of them are RTX exclusive)

[frank glade]

And 4090s can't even fit in my case, def last place

[opaque pond]

Well there aren't any benchmarks for unreal

[vivid skiff]

Mid range 3060 should be enough to know whether ray tracing features working in your game or not.

[opaque pond]

well i can test that with my current gpu too

so uhh

[vivid skiff]

I don't know, but AMD GPUs are kinda stagnant IMO.
I mean, yeah, AMD made GPUs for consoles (except Switch) but not as accelerated for ray tracing

[opaque pond]

amd gpus do support raytracing fully

[mighty cosmos]

Rsytracing is still not much more than a gimmick, and it's gonna stay that for at least another 2 generations of GPUs

[vivid skiff]

B-but how can I make good use of the RTX 😦

[frank glade]

Path tracer for renders?

[vivid skiff]

Path Tracer in UE5 seem to be quite promising
I'll mess around with it once I got UE5 installed

[frank glade]

You can play portal rtx 😆

I liked the rtx in metro exodus

Really pushed some levels

[vivid skiff]

Not sure if mid range RTX can handle full path traced RTX Remix

[north arch]

quake rtx

[frank glade]

Low settings, dlss?

[vivid skiff]

RTX 3060 : 17 FPS

Well, that's the GPU that I have, so...

Oh wait, DLSS Balanced at 41 FPS

[frank glade]

and those are max settings

you can def play those games

[fallen oasis]

Would DLSS off make it prettier?

Not by much, if anything.

I need to try this shit.

[agile lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940688440402530364/1054453048438706306/iynui6euho4a1.png

[vivid skiff]

I think Intel caters on low budget ones, even their iGPU is a bit dwarfed by AMD APUs

[pallid flume]

Do you think this PC can be built for $1200?

RTX 3070
good i9
32GB DDR5 Ram
DDR5 Capable mother board

[frank glade]

Probably not. The only "good" i9 is the 13th gen since even the 13600k gets close in many benchmarks to the 12900k

[median marsh]

rather go for a good i7 then^^

[pallid flume]

I was under the impression that i9's are better than i7's just like how the 20 series gpus are better than the 10 series

So for $1200
can I build a desktop that is any amount better than these specs:

i7 10750H
RTX2060
16GB - 2933

[fallen oasis]

This is why I always do price per performance point analyses.

[pallid flume]

also what is the difference between desktop GPU's with 2 fans or 3?

im guessing 3 is just more powerful?

[fallen oasis]

More woosh

[pallid flume]

so theres no change in performance?

[fallen oasis]

The only change you might see is when it's hitting the thermal limit, 3 fans might be better at cooling it. For a few % performance.

But it really depends more on the airflow around the case than 2 fans vs 3 fans I expect. And having your case off will probabyl trump the difference made by either of those things.

[pallid flume]

https://www.newegg.com/p/1FT-003G-00011?Item=9SIBGVAJCC8415&Description=RTX 3070&cm_re=RTX_3070-_-9SIBGVAJCC8415-_-Product&cm_sp=SP-_-1417638-_-0-_-2-_-9SIBGVAJCC8415-_-RTX 3070-_-3070|rtx-_-9

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3070-rtx-3070-gaming-z-trio-lhr/p/N82E16814137670?Description=RTX 3070&cm_re=RTX_3070-_-14-137-670-_-Product

[pallid flume]

I am looking at my GPU stats in NVInspector for my laptop RTX 2060.

I just noticed that all the sensor stats are green except for one

What does this mean and why is it in the red?

[fallen oasis]

It doesn't mean anything bad.

Just that you gpu is using all the power it's allotted.

[pallid flume]

if want to flash my VBIOS and i have an rtx2060 (laptop)

since the GPU displays GDDR6, does this mean I cant use a VBIOS with GDDR5?

[fallen oasis]

Get the version that matches your gpu or destroy your card.

Simple as.

Even if it's an exact match, you still might destroy your card.

[jade trout]

We have two identical win10 machines with intel i9s, except one has a 2080ti and one has 3090. The 2080ti machine runs UE5.03 no problem. We just tried installing it on the 3090 machine and it only crashes when UE is launched. The error log mentions adProf.dll and VtuneApi.dll missing. Does anyone know how to resolve. Thanks
Have uninstalled/installed UE twice.

Also have updated the 3090 drivers as well. Thanks

Thanks

thanks.

do you mind sharing idea on repairing installation? we've installed/uninstalled UE5 twice already

🙏

[serene dome]

Why are you messing with your GPU's VBIOS?

[pallid flume]

its the only thing left I have to try to fix my problem.
I have spent every waking hour of my life for 2 weeks trying to get my laptop to a playable state.

I mapped out a whole plan to build a small environment that my brother can walk around in with his favorite character in UE5. It was supposed to be a Christmas present to him but now the present is ruined because every software and application that involves rendering is un-usable.

My GPU is being forced down to 300MHz and is not being allowed to breathe.

I am almost 135% certain it is from power throttling.

[serene dome]

Uhh... laptop specs and the list of things you've done.

[pallid flume]

K one sec.

Finally someone who is willing to engage 1 on 1 about this and doesn't just hop in the chat say "Omg, UpDatE DriVeRs!!!" and then leave.

I swear to god if you figure this out, I am gifting you the max option of nitro.

[pallid flume]

I have: ↓

tried performance modes / options in Nvidia Control Panel

Reinstalled drivers using Geforce Experience

Reinstalled drivers using DDU

Uninstalled Geforce Experience

overclocked and undervolted in MSI and Throttlestop

reset battery in BIOS

Dislodged battery from motherboard and ran directly off the cord.

Cleaned all fans and heatsinks

reapplied thermal paste

(still not working)

Specs :

RTX2060
i7 10750
16GB Ram
Win 10

name = Lenovo Legion i5

@serene dome my Windows 10 UI has stopped working and I need to restart, be back in a min.

alright, im back

[serene dome]

Is this bit related to your problem or is it because of all the things you've tried/attempted?

[pallid flume]

No that win 10 issue was a weird one time thing, never seen it before.

This main problem definitely seems to be the GPU's power and it's relationship to the GPU clock speed

let me get a pic from last night for you that shows how a power limiter somewhere in the PC is fighting with the GPU speed.

This performance graph is perfectly contrasted (as in opposite) to the graph displaying current clock speed.

Performance Limit - Power is set to TRUE, clock speed falls to 300MHz

Performance Limit - Power is set to False, clock speed rises to normal.

(another pic for reference)

[serene dome]

A quick search on your laptop's model and the problem, it seems this is somewhat common...

How sure are you that you did this correctly:

reset battery in BIOS

Dislodged battery from motherboard and ran directly off the cord.

?

[pallid flume]

1. In my BIOS it does not say "reset battery" that's just what i called it that way others can interpret it better.
   In my BIOS it is called "Disable Built In Battery".

2. as for dislodged the battery, I unplugged the main wire that lead to the motherboard. It must have dislodged it because the computer turned on and powered, yet it said "no battery detected".

(disable built in battery rebooted the system but it did not help).

(seems like your typing a lot, don't write too much because Unreal discord has a character and paragraph size limit)
if you send a message over the limit it will delete it.

happened to me yesterday and I freaked out

[serene dome]

I'm going to assume you didn't power cycle properly... You want to:

1. Reset your BIOS settings to default because I'm not sure what else you've tried or remembered what you've tried.
2. Turn off the laptop.
3. Unplug everything from the laptop.
4. Remove the battery if it's removable (which sounds like it?)
5. Hold the power button down for awhile. Longer the better but a minute is more than fine.

Purpose of a power cycle is to discharge all the voltage stored in the capacitors

[pallid flume]

I have truly only done the battery reset option in BIOS but where do I go to reset the BIOS.
Is that just an option in the BIOS

[serene dome]

There should be a setting to load the defaults. Usually in the same menu when saving/discarding any setting changes

[pallid flume]

but where?, is this something I can do from a windows UI or do I need to enter BIOS first to reset.

[serene dome]

You need to enter BIOS first

[pallid flume]

k, I'll be back in a few.
I don't know how confident I am that this is going to work but I'm crossing my fingers.

[pallid flume]

Just got back online.
Moment of truth...

No...

@serene dome
It had no effect

[serene dome]

Well, that seemed to have been the fix for other Legion owners that were plagued with the same/similar problem. There was something else regarding Win10's Memory Integrity feature under Windows Security -> Device Security -> Core Isolation but that seemed farfetched to me

[pallid flume]

I'll look into it.
I mean the idea of flashing the VBIOS is pretty much the next step for me.

anything is worth pursuing at this point.

also If your wondering why I considered flashing the VBIOS in the first place, here is the article that claimed a VBIOS flash is a possible solution.
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1143524-laptop-gpu-stuck-at-300150-mhz-unpluggedbattery-power-fix/

[serene dome]

Yeah... I wouldn't do that especially since it's trying to get you to flash to a different VBIOS of a different GPU and hoping it'd be compatible

That's just asking for your GPU to be bricked

[pallid flume]

I found a VBIOS that is for a RTX2060 like mine and has 6144MB Memory and GDDR6 like mine and also perfectly matches the Clock Speed and Boost speed.

only one problem... the Memory speed of my card is 1375 and the memory speed on that VBIOS is 1700...

despite the fact that almost everything matches up, do you still think the memory speed alone is enough to completely destroy the laptop?

I also found what I believe to be a complete VBIOS match
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/227977/227977

[serene dome]

Imo, it's not worth the risk...

[pallid flume]

if i install some wild VBIOS and it does work, aren't I always able to revert back to my backup of the original old VBIOS?

[serene dome]

You're assuming IF it does work. It's that if that's the problem

[pallid flume]

well what other options do we have?

[frank glade]

email the manufacturer?

[pallid flume]

even though the warranty is expired?

[frank glade]

why not, maybe they have some ideas

[serene dome]

What's your CPU temp at when you experience the problem?

40 C seems toasty for me when near idle but that could just be terrible cooling...

[pallid flume]

not hot

[pallid flume]

it usually gets up to like 75 - 85 C while underload.

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tz4bYa3vkE

[obtuse rapids]

I've got the budget in my new build for a 4090 - but I'm wondering if I will regret getting it or not - mainly for dev work building a simulator

And if I end up using it that pushes my hardware requirements for all machines (since we provide hardware too) up - but if the features are worth it (and it's VR)

[median marsh]

i would say, go for it

until your simulator is finished, prices may have dropped anyways

[frank glade]

I regret getting a 3080 Ti instead of the 3090 at the time, would def have used the vram

[median marsh]

also editor requirements are usually higher than runtime requirements, unless you plan to run the simulation in the editor...

also 3090 is still a good choice for dev work imho, if you just want the extra vram

[obtuse rapids]

This is true - I originally started with specing out a 1080 TI

[obtuse rapids]

Current main rig has a 3080 TI and I've experienced the same problem

[median marsh]

33% is probably still faster than my 3060 😄

[obtuse rapids]

Looking at one of the AIO 4090s, MSI has one - I prefer separate aios than a custom loop

[median marsh]

you or the case?

[obtuse rapids]

Are those in stock anywhere non scalped?

[median marsh]

the AIO cards might be shorter? from what i've seen (but then you still need place for the radiator...)

lucky you... isn't MSRP like $1400?

they cost almost twice that here :/

[obtuse rapids]

I see non-fe 4090s in stock on Amazon

Lol

Last year I bought a PC bc it has a 3080ti included - it was a nonscalp Price but I had to meet them at 11pm at a gas station

It was like I was buying drugs

[median marsh]

i never bought drugs at a gas station tho 😄

[obtuse rapids]

So local then?

Region? I'm central FL

[vivid skiff]

Hello, merchant from Resident Evil 4

[median marsh]

sounds better than getting scammed out of emeralds

[vagrant anvil]

Found the cause of the sparkly reflections. In Project Settings > Lumen, Enable Use Hadware Ray Tracing when available. Then enable Ray Traced Shadows, and everythign gets sparkly. But only on my AMD 7900XTX. everything looks fine on my NVIDIA cards

I'll see if I can get someone can set up my test bed (i'm working remote)

[obtuse rapids]

I'm looking at these system integrators - our any of them selling the founders edition version of the 4090?

They don't actually list which brand of the 4090 they are selling

[obtuse rapids]

I do live in the US - is there a general pattern at the supply drops occur? I just swapped out a new key cap for my F5

[reef meadow]

Hey all, looking to build a pc that will make using unreal, substance painter and blender significantly easier lol

[pallid flume]

Is it possible to run Nanite and Lumen on something like a GTX1650(laptop)
and "run" not as in perfect frame rate, I mean as in compatible with the hardware.

does nanite and lumen even work at all on hardware that is not 20series GPU's and up?

[vivid skiff]

What's your budget?

[lethal geode]

Anyone know why my laptops eternal hard drive is 2 Terabytes, but i only have 400 Gigabytes of storage? (Not 400 that i have used, just the overall capacity.)

How do i change it?

[serene dome]

Run Disk Management

[lethal geode]

how?

[serene dome]

Either:

1. Right click Start Menu -> Disk Management
2. Search for Disk Management
3. Search for diskmgmt.msc

[lethal geode]

ok

[lethal geode]

ok its open

now what @serene dome ?

i have 3 drives for some reason.
(C:) 465GB
(Disk 0 partition 1) 100MB
(Disk 0 partition 4)549MB

[serene dome]

Top portion with the list is displaying Volumes

Bottom portion should be displaying your drives/disks

[serene dome]

From the looks of it you have 1 drive with multiple partitions

[lethal geode]

what does that mean?

like where is the 2 Terabytes one

thats what my hard drive has

[serene dome]

Is it connected? Your "C:" drive is only 500~ GB

[lethal geode]

how do i see if its connected

[serene dome]

If the 2 TB drive is an external, usually have to connect that to your laptop with a cable

[lethal geode]

no its inside

it came with it

[serene dome]

Then you need to take a look inside if it's internal which may be difficult if it's a laptop

[lethal geode]

ok i will like tomorrow

ty

[serene dome]

Do you know how to do that?

[lethal geode]

i think

just open the laptop?

[agile lodge]

https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/Categories/Products/Monitors/CORSAIR-XENEON-FLEX-45WQHD240-Gaming-Monitor/p/CM-9030001-PE

the bendable monitors coming

[thorn mist]

[vivid skiff]

Oh, this is fun...

[thorn mist]

Just update to new version with geforce experience

[vivid skiff]

Nope, going to download it manually

[thorn mist]

You know

[vivid skiff]

They said it's pre-upgraded before I bought the laptop... Should've known better

[thorn mist]

A new version is released almost every week or day

Which game?

[vivid skiff]

My own game, in Unreal Editor 5.1

[thorn mist]

sometimes you cant even play the game you made yourself because the system is not enough

So use unity solution 😅

[thin grail]

Need some recommendations on brands of RAM

I’m stuck between cosairs and crucial

[vivid skiff]

Almost bit the dust, thanks for the heads up

[thin grail]

Crucial it is then

[median marsh]

they're all scam

[thin grail]

I saw some stuff about Corsair thus I had to ask

[pearl quartz]

https://videocardz.com/newz/alleged-nvidia-titan-rtx-ada-renders-show-quad-slot-gpu-with-dual-16-pin-power-connectors

Yeah looks like it but it has the curve sides on the cooler

Maybe the cooler is overall larger than the 4090

Yeah thats what I mean, it looks based on the newer design not the 3000 series

Fan might not reach the edges like it does on the 4090

[median marsh]

are the FE cards actually comparable good to the 3rd party cards?

or do they use cheap/loud fans / inefficient cooling design?

[pearl quartz]

There was a Galax with the dual 12x4pin, the Hall of Fame card

Thats a max of what like 1200w, crazy power

[reef meadow]

probably 1.5k - 2k.

[vagrant anvil]

we prefer to sell FE, but supply has been very tight. I'd recommend whoever you go with you call them and explain you want a specific model and are willing to wait a bit if needed.

[vivid skiff]

NVMe SSD, Samsung or WD?

[frank glade]

I think both are good, but I usually stick to WD

[rotund moth]

I use Samsung for all my SSDs. I've had the best experience with them.

Solid performance and reliability from every Samsung drive I've used in the past 5 years.

[mighty cosmos]

Same here, actually never had any Samsung drive fail

(I mean they will eventually but some are going strong after 5+ years)

[frank glade]

I did have a 970 pro fail after a few weeks. could not figure out what was happening with random blue screens and freezes. replaced under warrany and the new one is fine

[blissful forge]

what about g skill?

[blissful forge]

What would ya'll recommend for animation, an AMD or Intel CPU? If i were to invest in a great graphics card, would that also change the decision making in terms of rendering or is cpu generally always better quality wise (i know that gpu's render faster)?

[blissful forge]

I currently have a 12900h and i still have time to return it, considering if i should switch to AMD for more cores or let my 3070ti do the rendering for me?

[vivid skiff]

CPU matters more on compile times (code, shaders) as opposed to rendering alone

When it comes to rendering, the GPU is the main factor

[blissful forge]

i was concerned about floating points

heard gpu's arent that good with that

[blissful forge]

in that case, would i need a lot of cores still or can i stick to 1-2 powerful cores?

[blissful forge]

nvm i found my answer, ideally it would be better to stick with a faster single core processor than multi-core processor for modelling/animation. Multi-core performance is really just for rendering. I'll let my gpu take of that

correct me if im wrong @vivid skiff

[blissful forge]

@iron zenith What i mean is - GPUs tend to be very bad at doing floating point math, and so they're not ideal for rendering or simulations that require a lot of floating-point operations.

[fallen oasis]

Lol

GPUs basically only do floating point math and they do a lot of it, simultaneously, making them extremely good at rendering and simulations.

[vivid skiff]

That is just plain wrong, and ideally you shouldn't hold back on the specs as long as your budget alllows.
Go for a good multi-core processors for faster shader compiling (you're going to need it a LOT), and go for a good GPU for faster render time.

[fallen oasis]

What would even be the point of GPUs if they were bad at rendering?!

BItcoin? 😛

[vivid skiff]

EXACTLY

Make it seem like you're earning money, when you actually bleeding money paying electrical bills and scalp for new GPU

After all GPU stands for Gcryptocoin Processing Unit

[agile lodge]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/media-alert-4th-gen-xeon-scalable-max-series-launch.html#gs.l5yc87

[blissful forge]

I got that information from this website https://www.cgdirector.com/cpu-vs-gpu-rendering/

[median marsh]

and i'm not aware of any renderer that is faster on CPU than GPU

[blissful forge]

Well I’m glad that’s the case, idk why this person was claiming their bad

[fallen oasis]

Also that website basically says that cpu rendering is good for applications that do cpu rendering and you should spec your system to your needs.

[blissful forge]

Gpu’s can shader compile as well though correct ?

So does the cpu compiles the shaders in order for the gpu to render?

Aye I finally got it

But if I get a processor that specializes in multi-core processing, wouldn’t I lose the benefit of a faster 3d modeling/animation production time when going with a 12900H?

I’m fairly new at animation so I didn’t want to use a lot of money for a desktop build just yet

Do you know affordable desktop builds I could view?

Last question, I know I may be bugging you with my ignorance. Why would you choose a multi-core specialized processor over a single-threaded specialized processor?

[fallen oasis]

Any laptop you buy will be worse than its desktop equivalent for the same price.

And it won't be as upgradeable.

[blissful forge]

I’m just an animator I don’t make games, but when comparing my 12900h cpu with its 1-2 core performance it outperforms a lot of amd’s which in return have better Oc memory performance than my intel

[fallen oasis]

Some people do have more money than sense!

[blissful forge]

So what amd would you recommend?

Just throw me a couple with various price ranges

[frank glade]

are you rendering or just doing modeling/animating?

[blissful forge]

Both

That’s the problem lol

[fallen oasis]

It might help to know exactly what programs you'll be using.

[blissful forge]

Yeah of course, so blender and cinema 4d with Redshift

[north arch]

if your source is userbenchmark, throw out your data set and use a decent benchmark site

[blissful forge]

👉👈 yeaah it was userbencmark lol

What site would you recommend?

[fallen oasis]

puget is pretty good?

[north arch]

basically anything else

[median marsh]

does redshift support gpu rendering?

[blissful forge]

Yup

[median marsh]

well, then any modern cpu should do just fine

doesn't even need an insane amount of cores

since at least blender doesnt make use of them

idk about cinema4d tho

[frank glade]

isn't redshift a GPU only renderer?

[blissful forge]

Yes

[frank glade]

so are you rendering with your gpu mostly then?

[blissful forge]

Entirely yes

It’s gpu exclusive

[fallen oasis]

Are they the ones that shit on Intel (or was it AMD?) for no reason in particular?

[blissful forge]

I’m glad I joined this discord, I have NO animation friends

Look where that got me

[frank glade]

then just compare single thread performance and pick something in the top. I got the 13600k because single thread is very close to the top, almost as good as 12900k from last year. 7900x was also good but also scored higher in multi-thread tasks (which I don't need)

what exactly is the loss though?

I mean how big we talking

[blissful forge]

That’s why I wanted to go with a CPU that specialized more in Single threaded performance, but @iron zenith was saying she’d recommend a multi-core because of shader compiling

Oops I’m sorry

I assumed your gender

[frank glade]

I thought you were doing modeling, animation and only GPU rendering

[blissful forge]

I am

[fallen oasis]

Specialising in multi-core is shooting yourself in teh foot, unless you're a server, in 99% of cases.

You don't need to spend $10k on a cpu that will compile shaders faster once every 6 motnhs.

[blissful forge]

Why would you say that 🥺?

It was more a joke lol, but It’s a trade off isn’t it? You either have faster rendering or faster modeling?

[fallen oasis]

Or you have both because nobody does rendering on CPU any more.

[blissful forge]

Oh

Well then I’ll stick to a 12900k or 13900k then

(That’s if I get a desktop, which now with all this feedback - I think I should )

What would you recommend ?

Thank you, and thank you all for your patience with me

Also what GPU would y’all recommend?

[frank glade]

No, fast modeling with fast rendering or fast modeling with very fast rendering 😆

But since you do gpu renderings you don't need anything higher than a 13600k equivalent

[agile lodge]

snowy white 4090

[blissful forge]

Ah vram that’s important I forgot, what would be the minimum requirement for vram?

Sheeesh what were you running?

Oh that explains it, I wont need that kind of performance. What processor do you use ?

Oh I know, just curious

[blissful forge]

Would you recommend a 16 core processor or 24 for my situation ?

Well I’m currently trying to make cinematic animated skits on Blender or cinema 4D (still deciding which one is best for me). I’d like to be able to create battle scenes, as well as very aesthetically pleasing quality skits (1080p for now)

I’d be using Redshift for rendering like I said before, photoshop and adobe premier

As well as adobe after effects, but cinema 4d offers VFX so not sure just yet

Thank you, and is there a benchmark website you know where you can directly compare two different CPU’s, GPU’s, etc?

A table chart is nice and all but sometimes I like to get specific

[fallen oasis]

The one she literally just linked

Has a lot of charts!

I dunno if they have "compare x and y" section.

[blissful forge]

That’s “unreal” hehe

What is the difference between an 8+8 core and a 16core?

[blissful forge]

I’ll have to research what those are about I have no idea

[blissful forge]

What would p+e be helpful for ?

[blissful forge]

To my understanding, the e-cores help with background tasks without sucking up a lot of power

But how is that beneficial compared to a hyper thread which is also helpful with running multiple tasks at the same time?

[wind egret]

They're space efficient so Intel can manufacture many more E cores than P cores. As for performance/power efficiency, you should judge by review benchmarks (as opposed to benchmark software or technical stats).

[blissful forge]

If you were an animator using blender and redshift (exclusively gpu render application) what would typically aim for, a p+e core or a hyper threading cpu?

Let me know if that isn’t enough background information

[mighty cosmos]

AMD with hyperthreading and intel's P+E setup will perform roughly the same if you are on windows 11 with the new scheduler

[frank glade]

P cores also offer hyperthreading

[blissful forge]

So I could get a p core with hyper threading plus e cores ? @frank glade

[frank glade]

New intel cpus are all P+E

There's a core difference between them too, 13700k has +2 P cores versus 13600k, 13900K has that and more E cores I think

[blissful forge]

Ooooh I see, all p cores have hyper threading

[frank glade]

yes

[blissful forge]

So this is intels way of competing with amds hyper threading

[wind egret]

laugh

[mighty cosmos]

More like a desperate attempt at competing that actually ended up working

With their terrible power efficiency there is no way intel would be able to compete with the traditional core setup

But hey it worked

[next scroll]

Could someone tell me a good reason till why the Z790 ACE is like $200-300 more then any other motherboard in the same category, or i'm missing something crucial here?

[blissful forge]

Speaking of motherboards, what should I look out for? Let’s say for a 13900k with a 3070

I don’t know crap about motherboards, I’m a laptop peasant

What kind of ddr5’s do you recommend

Also should I go for a pre-built customized desktop for the warranty benefits or should I just buy everything separate?

I’m aware pre-builts can be more expensive, but what are the other disadvantages?

[median marsh]

it depends a lot of who built it

some take care of those things, some dont

[blissful forge]

Do y’all know any notable ones online?

I’m not super opposed to pre-builds. A warranty would be nice to have

[blissful forge]

Puget actually does pre-builds

[blissful forge]

would 10 gb of vram be ok or should i still aim for 16?

[vivid skiff]

Depends on your budget

If you can reach RTX 4090 with 24 GB VRAM, then go for it

[blissful forge]

yeeeahhh they're really expensive lol

ill prob upgrade down the road

[blissful forge]

for core and boost clocking speeds what would be the ideal requirments (mhz or ghz)?

[blissful forge]

I’m deciding on wether to get the 3090ti 24 ram or the Radeon 6950x 16 ram (Radeon has higher mhz)

What would y’all go for? I don’t think I’ll be needing 24 ram anytime soon unless y’all think it’s highly recommend to aim for a 24

[vivid skiff]

3090 Ti can do RTX stuff (and NVIDIA in general has the higher market share). If you want to leverage speed ray tracing and if you can afford more VRAM, go for it.

[north arch]

Unless you're doing very fancy shader stuff or gpu computing, speed won't matter as much as you think.

[obtuse rapids]

I've always heard water cooling ram is a complete waste of money but has that changed with DDR5 and some of the higher frequencies? I know the dies get pretty toasty - I'm assuming it's not the case or I would see more content on YouTube for it

[blissful forge]

what operating system should i get?

[vivid skiff]

Windows 10 or 11.

Or Linux if you feel patriotic, at the cost of compatibility with many productivity software.

[blissful forge]

im not prepared to walk the path of linux, it seems very engineer based

[haughty mica]

intel or amd for ue5?

[vivid skiff]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-13th-Gen-Intel-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7000-2377/

[opaque pond]

what about am4?

and the 5900/50x

[vivid skiff]

They did fare better than last gen Intel CPUs

[opaque pond]

yeah cause like these would be plug and play

i wonder what the improvement would be over the 3700x @vivid skiff

[muted plinth]

yo guys, first custom pc build. I'm pretty proud of it, tho it cost about $1500 for all the components. heres the specs:

RTX 3070 graphics card
intel i5-13600k cpu
enermex ets f40 cpu cooler
rog strix z690-A motherboard
corsair RM750 psu (750W)
3x MF120 halo case fans
48 GB RAM (2x 16 GB and 2 x 8 GB, all DDR4, 4000 Mhz)
jonsbo mod3 case

[blissful forge]

That’s a pretty cool case

[fallen oasis]

That's one word for it.

[vivid skiff]

Congrats on the build!

Not a big fan of that case tho
||no pun intended||

[blissful forge]

Id just tidy up the wires with some zip ties or something, with the transparent case it doesn’t accommodate well in my humble opinion

Also merry Christmas mates! Hope it’s cozy

[obtuse rapids]

Anyone here run a custom loop? 🌊

[haughty mica]

Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 5600mhz cl38 4x16gb
Ryzen 7950X 16 cores / 32 Threads
GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420mm (AIO CPU Cooler)

good combo for unreal?

[mighty cosmos]

I would probably go for 128GB of ram but yeah that's good

[mighty cosmos]

Eh I never bothered with it
Looks like too much pain for little benefit

[median marsh]

at least pick 2x32GB so you have future room for upgrade

also might run faster than 4x16GB

[blissful forge]

Is there a pcpartpicker build y’all found to be very optimal for the 4090 with the 3900k?

I wanna use a guide to reference my desktop off of

Or if any of y’all got a build with those components yourself that works too

[haughty mica]

i guess 2x32gb will be good

[blissful forge]

so i dont think id be needing 24 cores for my cpu, so between the 7950x and the 13900k - what would yall settle for?

i've checked over blender and cinema's bencmarks and its honestly a tie generally

the 7950x has 4.5 core clock while the 13900k has 3

[frank glade]

I thought you settled on a 13600k since you won't be rendering on it!

[blissful forge]

i thought since the cpu is used to compile the rendering its still good to invest in a 13900k

[frank glade]

It sounds like a waste. If you're not compiling, rendering on the CPU or video editing what is the point of getting one of the best cpu for multithread tasks right now?

[blissful forge]

does compiling the rendering another word for just rendering?

[mighty cosmos]

They are 2 different things

[frank glade]

Here's a better investment, get the 13600k for half price, then get the next mid-range one in 2 years. You'd be using it fully for your workflows and have saved some cash

[blissful forge]

this is what im referencing

[blissful forge]

i meant to say compile the rendering

can you please relax

[mighty cosmos]

If they can get the best there is no reason no to tho

Especially if they plan on dealing with materials/shaders

[vivid skiff]

I said compiling code and shaders, not the rendering.

Ultimately those two are what the GPU would use to render stuff on screen.

[blissful forge]

shaders my mistake, its late so i misread

[vivid skiff]

CPU compile those shaders, GPU renders something with it.

[north arch]

These are CISC architectures, not RISC, instructions take multiple (sometimes input-dependent) cycles to complete, so raw MHz ratings mean nothing.

[blissful forge]

noted

thanks

[vivid skiff]

Also bear in mind that offline renderers like those in Blender and Cinema4D can resort to CPU at longer render times. I don't know about C4D, but if you have the capable GPU, you can set Blender to use the GPU to cut down the render times

[blissful forge]

im investing in a 4090

[vivid skiff]

If you can afford to reach for the top of the line specs, then you shouldn't half measure on them

[blissful forge]

wdym by "half measure"?

[vivid skiff]

Think of it like a PC having RTX 4090 but everything else inside it is low end average office components

[blissful forge]

ah ok like bottlenecking ?

[north arch]

consecutive ram reads to the same address even can take different durations due to ram refresh cycles, and that's not even taking into account cacheing, prefetches, and execution pipelines, or delays imposed by the OS's task switching system and kernel overhead

[mighty cosmos]

Then go 7950x or 13900k, doesn't matter, they are almost the same in terms of performance

If you don want win11 tho avoid intel, their architecture doesn't work correctly without the updated scheduler in win11

[north arch]

I once built a pc with a slow I3 and a fast 670gtx. But I specced it for s very specific job: CUDA parallel processing cryptographic R&D, so the cpu was almost always idle, waiting to pull data from the gpu to ram and from ram to gpu

it was intentionally cpu-bottlenecked as performance loss was small for the significant cost savings for the very specific task at hand

[blissful forge]

what OS should i get in that case?

[mighty cosmos]

Win 10 or 11
For intel win 11 only

[vivid skiff]

Or Linux if you're patriotic enough

Well, patriotic to the GNU at least

[royal rapids]

Best LAPTOP for Unreal Engine and 3D?

[thorn mist]

There is such a problem due to Geforce Experience, does anyone know?

[narrow berry]

https://youtu.be/vQ5JPqeFitM

[vivid skiff]

Depends on your budget

[blissful forge]

Would y’all go for the Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card, or the Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card

Price difference is about $200 dollars more for the Asus Rog

[prime loom]

You are basically paying $200 for a Clock increase you could do yourself. Its a scam. Buy the cheaper one.

Its likely the card itself will fit in the case, but the Power cable will be what limits you from putting the side panel back on.

https://store.cablemod.com/12vhpwr-angled-adapter/

I will be buying one of these, as I have this exact problem.

My Gigabyte 4090 fits great, the cables poke out a lot though, which stops me from putting the side panel back on 😦

[blissful forge]

A friend was saying the quality is better as well though

[blissful forge]

Also how can I clock it myself ?

[prime loom]

With their overclocking software?

[prime loom]

They are literally the same card, with a similar cooler, with slightly higher clocks.

Not worth the money to get the expensive card.

[blissful forge]

Ah ok

[obtuse rapids]

There's been little stock performance differences in all the aib cards vs fe right? Just in case I can't snag a Founder's edition after news years

[obtuse rapids]

I can just get a bigger case If I'm stuck with one of those cards I guess

[blissful forge]

@mighty cosmos your work is amazing by the way

[mighty cosmos]

Thanks 💙

[wispy flare]

still waiting for gpu block ;

[muted plinth]

hey guys, so I tried to put in 4 RAM sticks in my new pc, 2x 8 GB (DDR4, CL18), and 2x 16 GB (DDR4, CL16). The PC will boot with all 4 in, and task manager shows the available 48 GB, however, whenever running a process with high memory, I get bluescreened with code "MEMORY_MANAGEMENT". After taking out the 2x 16 GB, I no longer get this error, and everything runs smoothly. I believe this has something to do with the latency difference, but I really want these 4 ram to work together. Any way I can make them work together or would I have to get different RAM?

[muted plinth]

I have it disabled, and I have the ram seated as 16 - 8 - 16 - 8

16 is in channel A, 8 is in channel B

hwinfo?

[obtuse rapids]

I don't believe you - go ahead and ship me yours, I will verify and return promptly

What's a good 8 slot motherboard for ddr5? I'm playing with the cost of 128 gb and though DDR5 isn't as bad priced as it used to be, it is a lot cheaper to run 128 in 8 slots instead of just 4

Plus many of these motherboards have 3 or even 5 m.2 slots

boiling as in, wow, their performance is so good these cards are hot as fire ?

hopefully that's just a bios problem

consensus seems to be nvidia needs to be taken down a peg

indeed

[blissful forge]

They’re ridiculously over priced GPU’s though. If it wasn’t for the silicone issue and Nvidia being kinda greedy, the 4090 would be going for around 800-1000 USD

[wispy flare]

I actually bought 7900 XTX

All I can tell I at least don't have stutters in dx 12 games

[median marsh]

does it run crysis, tho?

[north arch]

Silicon. Silicone is used for things like spatulas and implants.

[blissful forge]

It’s used for GPU’s and CPUs

[north arch]

No, that's silicon.

Silicone is very different, a polymer.

[blissful forge]

It was a typo

[north arch]

https://www.livescience.com/37598-silicon-or-silicone-chips-implants.html

[opaque pond]

uhh just wondering would underclocking be a good way to make the gpu match another lower end gpu?

how can i do that?

well how do i do the other?

i can do that from the amd tool

tho how low should it be?

[obtuse rapids]

https://www.amazon.com/Express-Expansion-Asmedia-Chipset-Windows/dp/B074QK68XS/ref=sr_1_69?crid=6SZOD1T96OPY&keywords=video+card+pc+cheap+type+c&qid=1672199825&s=electronics&sprefix=video+card+pc+cheap+type+c%2Celectronics%2C102&sr=1-69 Anyone tell me if this will let me pass in cables from a portable monitor using Type C (gen 2) ? Want to try a mod using portable monitors - can't use any of the video ports on the GPU

I'm treating it like a step-up from the crappy USB video monitors - so I don't expect much performance through this like I would hdmi/DP

[fringe sonnet]

yo guys!

today ima gone buy my computer! 😄

im doing last configurations to see whats best

can i get some help by you guys getting my computer ready to buy for my first build computer? <

❤️

if you guys can make something better on the website https://www.megekko.nl/ for less then 2700 euro then i made me the hapiest man on unreal slackers

https://www.megekko.nl/wl/QPB7X6S9 this is my amd build

https://www.megekko.nl/wl/NQEB2P3X and this is my intel build

on the amd side the amd ryzen 9 7950x is on it to

[devout pendant]

I bought 8GB DDR3L for my laptop. 4GB is soldered the other 4GB is removable. It seems that 16GB DDR3L doesn't exist, rendering 12GB de maximum I can install

got it from a chinese seller. 82.5% discount

[median marsh]

are those CPUs with cooler? otherwise you are missing it.....

and the 850W PSU should be sufficient for both systems, would rather pick a semi modular seasonic ~850W

also would consider getting less cpu cores but an 3090, but thats personal preference

[obtuse rapids]

There aren't any eight slot DdR 5 boards reasonably priced are there?

I wonder if a two year old threadripper would be faster than a 13900k

[fallen oasis]

Depends what you're doing.

[obtuse rapids]

compiling shaders

[fallen oasis]

I have a 3975X and it's pretty quick.

WX?

[obtuse rapids]

Um...wat?

I have the plugin that basically auto does that for you I think

I am looking for a good z690 board recommendation (Unless someone can convince z790 is somehow worth it)

what did puget say, if anything about ram speed when working in Unreal

yuck - though the first one, if I were to just get the same ram would not be an issue

good point

[fallen oasis]

Prestige-factor.

Like owning anything made by Apple.

The point of Apple is to say, "I can afford a slightly more expensive phone than you. I'm a member of this exclusive club."

The fact that phone/laptop/whatever might be worse (or better) is besides the point.

But you can brag about owning it.

I'm sure it comes with a sticker or something.

[devout pendant]

RAM just arrived from China. 3 weeks earlier for some reason. Now with 12GB of RAM I have more free ram than ram in use

should be better to use unreal engine

[vivid skiff]

Laptop RAM?

I mean, it's odd that (I assume) you order single 4 GB RAM stick, though it's fine if you only want to use single channel setup as opposed to dual channel setup

[obtuse rapids]

how hard are the 13900k's to cool?

[obtuse rapids]

jfc that's hot

what's the AIO you keep recommending - I can't decide to do a custom loop or not - i have the budget to do it but it's another complexity I'll have to manage and admittedly, I've never done a custom loop before.

[mighty cosmos]

My biggest issue with custom loops is that when you wanna upgrade again or do anything inside the pc it is a huge pain to disconnect the whole thing and put it back together, compared to slapping on an aio and be done with it

[obtuse rapids]

No, no, I will come back and demand why didn't you recommend something better and ask what am I paying you for lol

If you had a few extra thousand, would you look into using an older threadripper? Or would that not be worth the performance increase in Unreal

[fallen oasis]

Threadrippers are great if you don't intend to actually play the games you make.

Single thread performance lags behind regular desktop cpu performance considerably.

[obtuse rapids]

anyway for me to approximate that? Puget has some stuff but I'm trying to see the actual packaged game difference - granted, this IS for a dev machine, the actual specs won't have threadripper in it, just a high end consumer CPU

[fallen oasis]

TRs won't help your packaged game at all. It iwll just run like a mid-range desktop cpu.

[obtuse rapids]

well that kind of makes up my mind for me

[fallen oasis]

Going by the naming scheme alone (I haven't confirmed this) the TRs are kind of last gen tech, but just stuffed with more cores and cache.

So your 7950X is going to perform a lot better than your 5995WX TR on single thread, it's got better tech and faster core speeds.

[obtuse rapids]

seems like it -

is there much data on the 7950x in a system with a 4090?

[fallen oasis]

I'm not sure it's worth even bothering targetting those types of machines, unless you're releasing to limited clientele you know will have them.

[obtuse rapids]

for my product, I DO control the specs, so I don't have to worry about low end hardware - granted, I don't make any profit on selling the hardware, they just need it to run it

[fallen oasis]

Ah fair.

Well, I'm sure it runs really well? 🙂

It will depend on your game.

[obtuse rapids]

it could run a lot better, need to do more optimization

[fallen oasis]

Expensive hardware can definitely make up for inefficient programming!

(sometimes)

[obtuse rapids]

nothing like buying a GPU at a gas station late at night

[mighty cosmos]

You sure it's the GPU you are buying? 😅

[north arch]

in the parking lot or at the register?

[devout pendant]

4GB soldered and just one available slot to use

[vivid skiff]

No hope for dual channel RAM setup then

[devout pendant]

for some reason Virtual Router crashed and won't open. I does, but the window closes itself while the exe is still running according to task manager.

when I try to install net 3.5 the same thing, it opens and then the install window closes

[devout pendant]

according to cpu-z it is in dual channel

[vivid skiff]

Out of curiosity, what laptop is it?

[devout pendant]

Asus X555

with currency conversion I bouth 8GB DDR3L Samsung for less than 9$

[hollow jasper]

I recently repaired my laptop and found that my technician swapped out my single terabyte SSD for two 500GB SSDs. What should I use the second one for?

[north arch]

first, I'd sue

two 500gb is not as good as one 1tb

[hollow jasper]

For context this is what it looks like

I heard you can set up RAID 0 to get the two to work together as one unit. Should I do that? My laptop was gone for two weeks before getting it back and I really cant afford to send it back in again.

[north arch]

the big loss is the second port that can't be used to expand storage again

[hollow jasper]

What do you mean?

I'm not really good with computer hardware stuff I only know the basics

[north arch]

where you had a single drive and an empty spot to add a second, you now have two drives and no empty spot

plus 2x 500gb is cheaper than 1x 1tb

and 1024gb/mb, so you wound up with less, even neglecting file system overhead

[hollow jasper]

I'm really not sure if its worth it to sue

Would it impact performance at all if I put unreal engine on a different drive than the operating system?

I'm considering just putting all my game projects on the second drive and using the first for regular stuff

Ok so I won't do it then lol

[north arch]

call them up, say manager like they're a voice sysyem that can't understand what you said until you get a manager, tell them you got a downgrade, which is unacceptable, and you can't be without your laptop and it's data for more than 24 hours on as it's part of your business, and at that only on a weekend, so they'd better be contracting a local shop to resolve it at no cost to you within 5 business days

watch them fret

if they won't help, raise the issue on social media

and yes, I've been customer support before

[ashen current]

hey , ive been trying to find a website in america to buy a
1080 ti , but seems like i cant find the card on Amazon or Best buy , ebay but i dont trust it much , is there any other platforms to buy that card on thats safe

[north arch]

newegg but not marketplace items

[ashen current]

So used cards ?

[north arch]

no

newegg is a pc parts site with a long history

they recently added a marketplace feature like amazon or walmart where anyone can sell objects with little vetting or quality control

so avoid marketplace and buy direct from newegg

[ashen current]

but the price is too high man , i want a 1080 ti which is almost a 6 year old card , its not worth more than 150 $ or 200 $ but the price on newegg is 741$

[north arch]

oof

[ashen current]

ebay is giving more reasonable prices but idk if i can trust it

im even willing to buy it from anyone here

[wind egret]

Crazy innit.
Although it's also crazy that a 6 year old card is still worth buying.

[ashen current]

i mean tbh the reason im buying is cuz it performs better than a rtx 3060 or a rtx 2070

[north arch]

how so?

[vivid skiff]

Wasn't RTX 3060 give more power than GTX 1080?

Okay, slightly less power than 1080 Ti, but RTX 3060 has better hardware accelerated raytracing

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3060.c3682

FWIW software assisted RT is far slower in 1080 Ti

[wind egret]

True, but not using RT at all is perfectly viable.

[ashen current]

yeaa

im not really gonna use rtx..

[vivid skiff]

And only slightly less powerful than 1080 Ti with fraction of the price

[ashen current]

or work in unreal 5

[ashen current]

exactly

[north arch]

how does it compare in cuda cores, kernel and warp sizes, and compute and shader models?

[vivid skiff]

RTX 3060 seem to have higher numbers on that regards, at least according to TechPowerUp

[median marsh]

also more vram?!

isn't 1080ti only 8gb or something

[wind egret]

11gb

[median marsh]

ok, then it's almost irrelevant

[radiant carbon]

is 4080 and 64gb ram and 9900K good? or CPU will cause issues

[vivid skiff]

Why not go for 13th gen Intel?

[radiant carbon]

Expensive.

I might get a 3080 and 12th gen?

but i need that 4080, its really fast

[wind egret]

For a last-gen 8-core CPU it's fine, but 8-cores are a bit underwhelming for people who are in the budget for a 4080.

[vivid skiff]

Well, you're going to need faster CPU for compiling stuff tho

[radiant carbon]

I think i will get a 12th gen

and 3080

[vivid skiff]

Slightly weaker GPU is more tolerable than slower compile times

[frank glade]

I sold my 9900k for a 13600k and it's A LOT faster

[radiant carbon]

should i get AMD 7000?

or intel is faster

[vivid skiff]

According to Puget benchmarks, 13th Gen Intel slightly excels over AMD 7000 series
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/unreal-engine-13th-gen-intel-core-vs-amd-ryzen-7000-2377/

[radiant carbon]

Ok

Thanks

[wind egret]

I'm confused.

Ah, the images from the puget benchmark don't all flow in the same direction.

[vivid skiff]

AMD’s Ryzen 5000 series previously held the lead in these tasks.

My Ryzen 7 5800H and SSD compiles UE5 source code in around 2 hours, which isn't bad for laptop CPU and can be done in breakfast (and I'm not modifying the engine code that much yet). Building the game project took about 1 hour as it also compiles UnrealGame target

[radiant carbon]

How good is your 5800H?

in packaging/exporting your game

[vivid skiff]

Pretty good, much better than my old potato that's for sure

[radiant carbon]

What gpu?

3070?

[vivid skiff]

RTX 3060

[radiant carbon]

Ok

nice laptop

[vivid skiff]

It was a risky investment, but I can't get development done and accepting remote work with my old potato, so yeah

[radiant carbon]

why risky?

[vivid skiff]

It took off huge chunk of my current daytime job's payment (developing country standards), and paying it over time.

[radiant carbon]

Ah isee

[obtuse rapids]

People have reported undervolting the 13th gen series with very minimal impact on performance - but what utility are you using&/what settings?

[devout pendant]

so probably going to have to upgrade my 1060ti for unreal 5, whats something that will do the job but isnt crazy expensive

like im not going to be making big fuck off worlds either

[median marsh]

3060, if you want to spend more... 3090

[brave hedge]

I found a really good priced 3090 today

but I bought a 3070 Ti just a couple months ago ;-;

[obtuse rapids]

anyone recommend a z690 or z790 card for 13th gen?

[obtuse rapids]

except if you go to buildapc where they are adamant that the pci gen 5 stuff is right around the corner

"Why don't I just buy a 790 board in a year or two when the prices are down on both the boards AND the gen 5 ssds?"

"because then you would be wasting your money on a motherboard you don't need!

[median marsh]

pci ex ssds and insane core count have been the biggest break throughs in the last years

[obtuse rapids]

they mentioned that

I don' understand how it would help in Unreal development

[median marsh]

well, or you dont notice 😄

still, it's a difference to load 100mb in a second or in 0.33 seconds

[obtuse rapids]

I'm all about decreased loading times because I'm going to be crashing the engine a lot

[median marsh]

just because you don't copy stuff around, doesnt mean that you dont utilize it's read speed

[obtuse rapids]

I just don't know enough about the bottlenecking - like is gen 5 bottlenecked by dd5 running at 5000 mhz, so I'd need at least 6500 mhz ram?

I want to make a "just crashed engine" button that boosts the CPU clock to the max I can push before thermal cut off, then as soon as engine loads just restore it

It has to read the m.2 into the RAM, so if the ram write speed is limited?

so it's like 80% CPU single thread speed?

need to do one of those phase cooling things and hit like 8 ghz

checking some community colleges to see if I can rob some lab of liquid N

[brave hedge]

I bought a big NVMe only because I don't like waiting for things to boot up

also speedruns

[obtuse rapids]

but if you are working in a big level, what controls load times primarily?

[brave hedge]

what is actually loading in lol

use level streaming, it's good

[obtuse rapids]

I do, but I do have area levels

I need to figure out how to stuff the loading hitches that come from the visibility calls, whatever the insights thing told me

[obtuse rapids]

anyone know of anyone is using m.2s in raid to gain extra speed?

[agile lodge]

some home users build server rack for mastodon for example

[median marsh]

it's unnecessary as home user, you mostly gain an extra chance of data loss with raid0

[dusty heron]

does anyone have fairly budget recommendations for a usable laptop? under 1000? max like 1500.

[vivid skiff]

This is similar to what I have, has good spec for on the go UE development and can play recent titles
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Display-GeForce-Windows-FA507RM-ES73/dp/B0B7QZSFS3

[pearl quartz]

Oh no, looks like AMD might have screwed up the vapor chambers on their reference coolers

I dunno who buys reference coolers but you might want to not do that :p

Thats why EVGA rage quit

Ive never seen an Nvidia reference cooler lol

Theyre magical beasts that hide in the northern hemisphere

Maybe EVGA should jump on making AMD reference coolers that work 😂

Yeah but going Nvidia means you get completely shafted on price

Its funny all the reviewers Ive seen, theyre subtly hinting at buying second hand or last gen if you can find new stock

Its like buy a 4090 for the one game you actually need it for 😛

Would be cool to have tech reviewers for games industry peeps but I guess most would just use whatever hardware their company gives

[errant crypt]

Think amd will do a fix for their cooler or just business as usual?

[pearl quartz]

Der8auer suggests AMD need to do better than RMAs or it could be a problem. Here in Australia something like this and not giving refunds is a breach of consumer law

I did actually, cheers. Hmm, this one only includes newer processors, wonder where mine stacks up now in comparison. Typically its still competitive

Not sure I can compare scores, might be a different engine version

Yeah I just wondered where last gen Ryzen was in comparison to this gen

Yeah but it depends on the engine version to how long compiling takes

I guess thats why that data isnt here

according to this only the two top tier CPUs from Intel or AMD beat my last gen

yup but they dont beat the previous Threadripper

new Threadripper incoming too 😛

3000 series, 3960x, 3970x, 3990x

yup compiling scales well across cores

the new Threadrippers are 7000 series too, so if 7950X is anything to go by

we might see compile times under 400s for a 32 core

infact if I use percentages 24 core could be halved to ~370s, sounds like a best case scenario

64 core could be as low as 3 mins compile time lol

I dont think its a linear percentage either, I think its probably closer to exponential where when you get lower you gotta crunch way faster to improve speeds

Im just comparing times directly as you suggested but who knows what difference newer VS or engine source could make.

[balmy gulch]

Is 8gb memory and 8 core cpu enough for ue4 to make 2d games?

[wet ore]

while a 2D packaged game can be very light, even if your just making a 2D game the editor is very heavy, and testing the game in editor mode is way heaver then packaged. Try to hit 16g if you can

[balmy gulch]

Im on a tight budget

Mines is like 3 yo old

[vivid skiff]

If you can upgrade the RAM to 16 GB, you're more in the clear.

I had to deal with 8 GB of RAM to develop with UE4, it was not very pleasant tbh

4 GB of RAM is already used for Windows and background processes, and even then still subject to heavy virtual memory usage, you'd spend more time waiting and waiting as opposed to getting the job done

Also upgrade your storage to SSD if you can and still using HDD. At least moving the OS, Visual Studio, and UE to SSD makes a night and day difference, and your project files could stay in the secondary HDD

[obtuse rapids]

Do you think having 128 gb memory is a waste? and what's the cutoff point, if any, between having really fast ram vs. having 128 but slower?

Didn't mean to reference that , sorry, question still stands

what are you hitting 32 threads on?

and what ram did you go for?

what speed? 5600?

if you had to buy today on a z790 what would you get?

i thought ddr5 on it could do 5600?

well, shit

I don't know enough about the jump from dd4 to dd5 to know how the speed is different?

like why wouldn't I get 4 sticks of ddr4 rated at 4800 instead of the same but for ddr5?

what about using optane?

as an OS drive I mean

they killed it as a business, the drives are still really good

and that 4800 speed is a hard limit? shouldn't expect some fairy unicorn bios update to improve it in that chipset?

[obtuse rapids]

ugh, what a crappy time but I can't wait another year to build a new rig

BUT WILL IT RUN CRYSIS???

[obtuse rapids]

Next build should be a Steam Deck, that APU is something else

[serene dome]

It's limited by the CPU's Integrated Memory Controller (IMC) and not by the chipset

Also, what are you doing that you're being bottlenecked by memory bandwidth?

[obtuse rapids]

@iron zenith Can I send you a pcpartpicker list?

[serene dome]

?

Are you asking me too?

[obtuse rapids]

sorry meant to at her but reply to you something else

essentially though the editor and the DCC tools CAN gobble up 64 gb of memory

[serene dome]

I'm aware...

[obtuse rapids]

I'm not bottlenecked by the memory bandwidth - but I'm trying to find the right speed to get of ddr5, or I should just default to 4800

[serene dome]

Define "right" speed

If we're talking about Intel here, their processors (Alder Lake/Raptor Lake) are not as sensitive to DDR4/5 speeds due to Intel still using a monolithic design. It's different for AMD and their processors (Ryzen 2-4) because they've switched to using a more advanced packaging process that allows them to implement a Multi-Chip Module (MCM) or chiplet design.

[fringe sonnet]

hi !

i got an ryzen 9 7950x cpu on a b650e motherboard

i found that there are 2 rams that are doable for me

the one is 5200mhz with 28 timings the other one is 6400 mhz with 32 timings

what to do ?

[wind egret]

not if DMs are disabled, etc.

[agile lodge]

https://twitter.com/IntelTech/status/1609959077668421632

Intel Technology (@IntelTech)

Though CPU dies may look the same, natural manufacturing variance makes each one unique. We sit down with Intel Fellow Guy Therien to learn about the “binning” process that categorizes processors fresh from the factory floor: https://t.co/0unFFVZRRR

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jan 2, 2023, 5:05 PM

was interesting video to watch great insight too

[obtuse rapids]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RzZFLs more or less

though I caved and got the Hyte y60 case instead

[agile lodge]

Geforce RTX 4070Ti seems to be former RTX 4080 less mem

[serene dome]

Less memory?

[agile lodge]

the 4080 12GB model is now 4070Ti

[serene dome]

Yeah

That's been known for a good while now

[agile lodge]

laptops get 4070 4060 and 4050

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979040917803630642/1059869203290669096/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979040917803630642/1059868862650257609/image.png

the flagship is flagship for laptops too from those specs

[obtuse rapids]

Couldn't find any ram kits that were cheaper

ended up with Corsair ddr 5200

yeah, it was two of the 64 kits

and from the same vendor, with any luck it will be off the same lot number

ah yes

yeah I swapped out the ssds, I was just seeing how cheap I could go on them - the case has traditional ssd mounts and I hate leaving things empty

7000d should fit an eatx they just don't have standoffs for it

same thing with the hyte I believe

that's what I ended up doing

already ordered /shrug

That sensor panel has nothing to with performance, efficiency, or making me a better development but I am a sucker for it

[agile lodge]

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-graphics-cards/elevate-your-gameplay-with-the-new-rog-strix-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-and-tuf-gaming-rtx-4070-ti/

becauyse its best

[fallen oasis]

The real question is why they have an 11 series with a 4090.

[agile lodge]

intel with 24core mobile processor

[lyric stump]

this is so sick holy

[median marsh]

yea this display is integrated in a nice way

[north arch]

aye

[valid sentinel]

Whenever I do go to a walmart.
I tend to look at the laptops and wonder...."Would a game with a Wii level of graphical fidelity run in any of them well??"

[vivid skiff]

I don't know much about walmart, but from what I've seen, at best it run HLE PS1 emulation

[west quail]

Hi, I am trying to buy a laptop around 220 or lower. I want to use it for Godot & Unity and other and stuff like discord when im not home. I see this laptop has 4 cores but it's base clockrate is 1.1, HOWEVER it's "burst frequency" is 2.7, is this worth?