hardware

[agile lodge]

yeah showing Dalle

[agile lodge]

Intel Gaudi

[agile lodge]

this was interesting https://www.uciexpress.org/

[vagrant anvil]

🤐

excited to see actual competition happening in the CPU space

now if they would just bring back the HEDT segment

[granite pond]

Hello guys, i plan to change my GPU and think of AMD for better prices. Is anyone having problems with the rx 6X00 series in UE5 ? Is it better Nvidia over AMD or both are fine for unreal ?

[frank glade]

all I've heard is some driver issues with Substance Painter

also thinking of switching because 12gb is not enough 😅

[wind egret]

nvidia cards with more than 12gb are pricey, though

whereas if you don't need 12+gb, the 6600's value is embarassing

[frank glade]

I'm curios about the new Arc gpu, with 16gb of vram

[wind egret]

if you want it, you'd better pre-order it

for 16gb that's the best of prices

I can sell you a gpu for $500. XD

[frank glade]

yes, but I hope it's supported by my apps...like 3dsmax, painter...probably no though lol

[granite pond]

If that's the only known issue then i'm fine with it

[wind egret]

oh that's a lot of hurt

and they aren't even 16gb

[frank glade]

bought my 3080 Ti at 1500$...and it was a good deal for Europe 😅

[granite pond]

Europe is trash for prices

Here in France the prices aren't even dropping

Or like 10€

[frank glade]

yeah, 3080 Ti was over 2500$ locally (bought it from Germany), only now it's at 1500$

[granite pond]

Crazy prices

I Hope AMD will blow away nvidia with good prices

But hey, money is money

[frank glade]

wasn't there also a 7600 intel cpu? 👀

[mighty cosmos]

Probably

[wind egret]

I've been waiting for this to happen since forever

[wind egret]

What I was actually waiting for was nvidia and amd having the same gpu names, but this is almost as fun.

[frank glade]

geforce 7800..right before 9800

[agile lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979040917803630642/1024529305251885116/Screenshot_20220927-204310_Chrome.jpg

so 24cores wit hthat price

[frail pagoda]

why not 7950x

[devout pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nIVBPf-UpU

New drop from Cintiq 🤑

[frank glade]

Does it have a better screen resolution? Always found it weird that they kept only full HD for so many years...you get up close and see all the pixels

[blazing shard]

To upgrade my DDR4 ram now before they stop making it or to wait a bit longer and upgrade my motherboard/CPU/PSU all at once in about a year...

I'm on a 6 core i7 5930k from 2014 with 16gb of slower 2400 ram. RTX 3070ti.

[fallen oasis]

Are they phasing dd4 out already?

[blazing shard]

Typically prices start to come up on older DDR standards a year after the new one comes out

I guess I should have said, while DDR4 prices are as cheap as they'll probably ever be

[frank glade]

That's up to you. I have 32gb of ddr4 and I can carry them over to a new mb and cpu. If I'd have the money I'd probably get 64 of ddr5

[analog wraith]

My back of napkin math shows 4080 16 GB should be at least twice as fast as my og 3070. Does that sound about right to you guys? I guess I can back compare 3070 vs the 3090Ti shown in Nvidia benchmarks

[frank glade]

I think those can be pretty misleading...only in some games, only with RTX enabled, etc

[analog wraith]

Hmm. Im basing it mostly on core count (1.65x the cores) and boost clocks (1.42x higher)

I guess who knows but I remember people having the same negative attitude about the 3xxx series at launch that it would only be good for RT and it turned out alright

Just trying to figure out how much I need in my piggy bank 😅

Checked some benches from Tom’s and 3090Ti is already 1.7x 3070 performance in composite fps at 4k which is what I care about. So I think its pretty likely to be over 2x

Multiplicatively with the cores and clocks, 2.3x is what that shows

Neglecting any architectural improvements, but then also assuming good perf scaling with core count. We’ll see !

[hoary urchin]

Mental note: Need bigger hard drives 🤣

2x 2 TB NVMe isn't really enough... Maybe NVMe RAID drive next time I build a system... 🤔

[analog wraith]

I noticed a lot of the new x670 boards have 4 to 5 m2 slots. Nice since the nvme prices dont seem to be coming down too fast 😕

Thought about those pciE add-in m2 raid cards but not sure how much I trust them

Have a bunch of overflow stuff backups, old builds, and vault cache etc on a spinning drive. Still hard to beat when you can get 8 tb so cheap

[median marsh]

i have used two of those PCI Ex cards which have an m2 slot, they just work fine

they don't do much rather than giving the nvme the pci ex lanes it needs, so it's the same performance as in an m2 slot (if you have enough pci express lanes obviously)

so depending on your mainboard, it may depend in which slot you put them

[fallen oasis]

I have a HDD for long term storage. NVME M.2 for system/ue

[frigid heath]

well any of my last drives i replaced B4 they broke.. catastrophic failure is pretty rare and i dont double store much stuff

had a friend that allways had his drive mirrored and his pc + backups got stolen

[fallen oasis]

Tbh, I put most of my games on HDD too.

No mp game loads slow enough for it to be an issue / slower than the other slowest person on the interwebs

[median marsh]

wtf?

also a good backup strategy contains off site backups

in case of fire/water/thief/whatever damage

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. You want 3 copies at least. Primary, secondary, offsite.

[median marsh]

well, you can use 2 hard disks, and cycle through them

[frigid heath]

yea, nothing is really fullproof tho

when his house got robbed.. they stole his phone but his phone was on a bunch of cash they didnt take... they also took a laptop that was taken apart basically useless

they got into his house by trowing a brick trough the window

not a glass cutter to make a lil circle in the window and open it...

just no respect for the profession

burglars used to be all cool and shit

https://tenor.com/view/robber-thief-burglar-gif-11811432

[tall grove]

Hey guys, I have a 5950X but thinking of moving to a 12700k for now and later to a 13900K. Does the 12700k is a good cpu for Unreal Engine vs my 5950X? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks

[prime loom]

Even going from the 5950x to the 13900 would be a waste IMO. As far as i can tell, with a 5950x you are still banging out the frames and/or rendering/compiling pretty damn quick.

[tall grove]

I see well I just have odd crap going on like usb disconnect or rebooting randomly just for the heck of it. Is annoying when working on projects. Is not like the system is not kept cooled. Is in a Fractal Design Torrent RGB case and paired with a EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 ultra plus 64gb of memory. Well 32gb now since I changed the cooler and corsair dominator 3200Mhz are to tall. The motherboard is a Gigabyte X570 aorus elite.

I do appreciate your guys info.

I am running the latest bios let me see which one these are.

This motherboard is rev 1.0

F37d

Oh really? What can I do to fix it?

Oh okay

[analog wraith]

Do you have everything at stock and DOCP for the RAM? Or are you using PBO etc

A lot of mobo turn on stuff in their “defaults” that isn’t technically stock spec

[tall grove]

Yup everything at stock don't overclock or anything like that.

My memory ram are two sets of dominator platinum rgb that I can't run on xmp so I manually set all the timing to the loser timing set which was the hynix. The other set is samsung.

[analog wraith]

Hmmm. Have you run memtest for 24+ hrs? Might even need to go under stock spec if mixed sets

[tall grove]

Well they were corsair dominators and never ran into issues on my 10900k system. Lol but yea all sticks of ram has zero errors

[analog wraith]

Ryzen can be kinda finicky for memory. I have 4x16gb running at XMP on my 5950x. But on another system I set up I could never get some GSkill to be stable at XMP settings and had to either loosen the timings or lower the frequency. Dunno

[tall grove]

Oh I see

[analog wraith]

If you are fed up with it I’d set safe memory defaults / JEDEC which is usually DDR 2400 and try that for a couple days

Also not sure what power supply you have but if its not huge then maybe reduce power limit for the 3080 in MSI Afterburner to 80% or something make sure it isnt tripping psu on a transient spike

Those are my only suggestions

[tall grove]

Corsair RM850x

I took yesterday the hynix pair and left the Samsung on instead 32GB for now to see.

I wonder if Am5 will experience those issues. My buddy heading tomorrow to microcenter. Maybe I can have him grab a 7600X, mobo, and ram. Lol

Or continue testing the ram on this setup now. Better yet maybe grab some low profile ram for it. Maybe it will be happy. Could be the mix ram you were saying.

Wow

Those look nice

True

[torn hound]

this Tom guy is super pumped

[median marsh]

running memory chips out of specs and blaming that AMD is at fault 😄

[devout pendant]

is it 400 series motherboard?

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-suggest-possible-fixes-for-usb-connectivity-issues

Also, the Corsair RM850x could be a problem. You can probably check this by running prime95 + furmark

I know this because I have a Seasonic Focus 750w, 5950x, 6800xt and have stability issues under heavy load

probably have to order a 1kw seasonic to get a little more efficiency under heavy load 🙂

[median marsh]

i kinda doubt that the PSU is the issue

[mighty cosmos]

It definitely shouldn't be, 5950x draws around 150w at full load which is nothing

[devout pendant]

Have you tried running memtest? https://memtest.org/

[devout pendant]

true, now it occurred to me that if it's a power issue, the PSU surge protector kicks in and the computer can't be booted without unplugging it

[median marsh]

your PSU probably can handle spikes up to 900W, and you usually don't have full CPU + GPU load at the same time

[celest dune]

hey, do you guys think its fine to put a RTX 3070 with a Ryzen 5 3600 on a 600w PSU? its a EVGA 600B and the Amperage matches fine, just wanted more confirmation

planned to buy a 3060 due to big vram, but will prob go with 3070 because ultrawide gaming kills fps

its the last upgrade i will do with this psu, price dropped real hard here, also thanks to LHR

[median marsh]

close call, but should probably run if you don't have a cheapo psu

[celest dune]

[tall grove]

X570

[errant hamlet]

Hey, does anyone know the best bang for your buck GPU for UE5 development in Lumen and Nanite?

I was told the 3060 is, but I've also heard the 3070 has a huge jump in performance and is the actual choice

[frank glade]

3060 12gb or the intel 770 because of 16gb of vram

[errant hamlet]

ah ok

[frank glade]

IF their drivers are ok

[errant hamlet]

more vram is objectively better

[frank glade]

If you run out of it performance greatly decreases

[opaque pond]

well i did get a 6600 and its fine...

[devout pendant]

depends, once I even managed to get ue4 to work more or less efficiently with integrated graphics, depends on what's being displayed, geometry and so on

[cloud fiber]

is there much difference between 4x16gb and 2x32gb for ram?

[median marsh]

2x32GB also leaves room for further upgrades

[astral musk]

If you want to get real technical, Ryzen 7 has a really big speed difference when using 2 or 4 sticks. When using 2, the officially supported speed is 5200 MT/s, but when using 4 sticks it drops down to 3600. Not sure if anyone has posted any comparison yet

[north arch]

ok, stupid question...

rpi 4+ue on linux: rate the misery

[median marsh]

yes

[north arch]

heading back overseas, this time bringing more than just a phone

[fallen oasis]

Money and a passport is generally useful.

[opaque pond]

integer overflow -100000

[rancid ginkgo]

Hi, I'm dealing with an issue regarding the unreal engine and availability. Since I am already a working person and have occasional trips, but I also want to keep working on my project, I decided to get a laptop.

So far I have searched and found the best alternative so far within 1425€ or 1400$

It is a Lenovo Legion 5 15ACH6H Phantom Blue/Shadow Black

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 5800H 3,2GHz / Boost: 4,4 GHz (8 core)
Graphics: NVIDIA Geforce RTX 3060 (1702 MHz) - 130 W - 6 GB VRAM
Ram: 16 (2x8 DDR4) - 3 200 MHz
Drive: 1 000 GB - SSD - PCIe NVMe (+ another slot available)
Res: 2560 x 1440 px - 165 Hz - anti-glare - 300 Nits - 15.6"

So, tell me please what is your opinion.

[astral musk]

biggest issue will be the RAM. on my system, having a blank scene and other other programs open, its sitting at 16GB of RAM in use. a couple chrome tabs and you are out of memory.

[mighty cosmos]

Even with 64gb it feels uncomfortable at times

[astral musk]

yeah, but not everyone is building that kind of quality, especially not on a $1400 budget laptop

[rancid ginkgo]

Yep I was thinking about to upgrade it...since on computer I am using 64 GB Ram

[median marsh]

well, it also depends a lot on what kind of game(s) you want to work on

but anything 3D with high res textures, you want as much VRAM as you can get

[rancid ginkgo]

I have these 2 projects. So it should be okay

[mellow galleon]

get at least 2x16gb ram instead of 2x8

or 2x32 / 4x16 kits for best work with large maps

[median marsh]

you could check your vram usage on your desktop machine while you work on the projects, that would give you an better idea of what you need

[flint lichen]

Hi guys I want to build my first pc in 2500-3000$ range, tho I always used laptops and have no idea on how to do it. I want to use it for gaming and game/graphics programming. I expect really good performance for few years, but I don't want to overpay for 5 fps more, in other words I want to get high end machine but I wont bother if its not the top 1. Any advice on where to start for a total newbie like me?

that looks like the best idea rn

ty ❤️

[median marsh]

yea, buy the ram so that you have slots left for upgrade if you go for 64GB

huh? they want to produce 48GB sticks?

[opaque pond]

so i was looking to maybe get a better laptop for ue5

looked at this : HP EliteBook 835 G9 13.3"

[median marsh]

that has an integrated gpu?!

i wouldn't look at it again then

[opaque pond]

its supposed to be a very good one

680M gpu

[median marsh]

for playing one or the other game maybe

[opaque pond]

my current laptop can run UE5 somewhat

and this should be a big upgrade

[opaque pond]

the rdna 2 680M

amd ye

its a very good igpu

well better than low 30 fps 720p

well what could be very good?

[median marsh]

in laptops the 3070 with 8GB seems to be a "decent" pick

i think the "Lenovo Legion 5" is a popular choice here, and they offer some good hardware configurations for that model

[fallen oasis]

Is that Leonardo DiCaprio?

[fallen oasis]

What's the film?

[mighty patrol]

Shutter island?

[torn hound]

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, epic movie

[vernal thicket]

You can find RTX 3060-3070 laptops for around $1200 now

[opaque pond]

yeah i guess

[vernal thicket]

Trying to dev on an elitebook is not going to be a fun time unless you are doing 2d

Personally I just bought a 3090 for $610

If your willing to buy used there are some incredible deals rn

[opaque pond]

a 3090 laptop?

[vernal thicket]

Nah just the desktop graphics card

[opaque pond]

ah

[frank glade]

so the new z790 boards don't actually support pcie 5.0 m2 ssds, while most am5 boards do, is that right?

[analog wraith]

Some 1440p numbers for the 4xxx series https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/overwatch-2-out-now-geforce-rtx-reflex-high-fps/

3070: 195 fps
3080: 249 fps
4080 12gb: 296 fps
4080 16gb: 368 fps
4090: 507 fps

Interesting they left the 3090/Ti off their comparisons eh 😅

[prime loom]

Yeah not worth anything really

[analog wraith]

Well I’m already slightly disappointed in the numbers lol

Not as much uplift as I was expecting for the 4080 16. And guessing it will just get worse at 4k due to the mem bus width. 4090 appears to be a monster

[foggy rampart]

Just made 7950x with iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 3x120mm 48.6C idle

[wind egret]

AMD: The truth is, your cooling is inadequate.

Your blast chiller: You wot mate?

7k series does have an eco mode or two. I wonder what kind of temps they produce.

[mighty cosmos]

That would be giving me anxiety

[foggy rampart]

Just tested with blank basic level and Rider opened . It shows ~52C idle so it's not that bad, btw. that 95.1 was in stress test

[mighty patrol]

Amd says its standard now 😂

Those temps are wild af though.

[foggy rampart]

my old 4670k stays 30-40C, so around 50C with 7k is really that scary? We will see

[mighty patrol]

I want to trust amd but those temps make me think the cpu is screaming for help.

[mighty cosmos]

I know but it's making me extremely uncomfortable with those temps

[mighty patrol]

Same

I was considering buying a 7950 soon

[mighty cosmos]

I thought about it but I'm on a 5950x so not really worth it for me to upgrade, buy a new MB and ddr5, gonna wait for next gen of CPUs for a bigger performance upgrade

Also curious what Intel will come out with

[wind egret]

Last (this?) gen Intel hits 92C, so... 98C?

65W equivalent to 150W TDP? Sounds unbelievable.

On the other hand, they can always set the turbo wattage to whatever they want. I don't know what TDP stands for these days.

AMD could release a 7950 with a 35W TDP just for kicks. I think everyone would go with it.

[karmic trout]

What benchmark program is this?

So guys what's better choice for UE5. Ryzen 7700 or Inter Core I7 13th Gen?

I know. But they did introduce it officially

Based on that

I heard the first time that it's not out yet 🙂

[foggy rampart]

cpuid hwmonitor

[karmic trout]

👍

I have an ancient PC

[frank glade]

Leaked benchmarks show that single thread performance is still better for 13900k...I'm also undecided since I don't compile or render 🤔🤔

[karmic trout]

but it consumes more power then Ryzen

I don't know how that Scalable Performance work

[devout pendant]

even if Intel's future model turns out to be better than the current AMD 7000, I'd still prefer AMD because I'd rather avoid buying a new motherboard every time a new processor comes out

[karmic trout]

But with new Ryzen 7000 you have to buy new motherboard 😉

[frank glade]

And most am5 boards support a pcie 5 ssd

[median marsh]

even pci express 3.0 speed is sufficient (roughly 4GB/sec - overhead)
most consumer ssds don't even reach that speed

[frank glade]

Yes but it's pretty future proof if you get an Am5 board now

[devout pendant]

if only it were that simple... 😄

I was thinking of buying a PRIME X670-P, but I found out they have RTL8125 ethernet instead Intel

it just doesn't make sense to buy a so-called high-end motherboard to get a decent on-board nic 😢

AM5 Motherboard Spreadsheet 🤓
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/xq2wn7/resource_am5_and_wrx80_motherboard_comparison/

[west quail]

Can you buy a desktop? If you can then you'll get more for cheaper

@crimson isle

[crimson isle]

I was thinking about it and it is possible, but I think it would be more difficult because I can’t take it anywhere and it is confined to one spot.

[west quail]

laptops can be good for portable work, especially if you have a source control or something, but it's not very realistic for ue5 unless you have a desktop aswell. the download can come up to 50-100gb alone for just the project and a 3050 in a laptop will probably be the equivalent of a gtx 1650 which, well, isn't very good for nearly $1000

[crimson isle]

Ok thank you. What desktop would you recommend for UE5 that isn’t too high of a price?

[west quail]

realistically build your own, a prebuilt can get you a long way, but they don't really sell good prebuilts (unless they are overpriced)

[crimson isle]

Oh

[north arch]

and a cheap laptop to remote connect to it as a dumb terminal for travel

[karmic trout]

Guys I make mobile games.

What would be a good upgrade for GeForce 1060 3GB that doesn't consume too much electricity?

For working in UE5 ofc

[errant hamlet]

I can either grab a 3060 now or get the intel arc when it comes out for the 16gb vram. Should I stay with the safer option of Nvidia?

Mainly worried the intel arc's drivers etc will make it unreliable when it comes to unreal engine

[frank glade]

Unknown until somebody does some gamedev specific benchmarks

Get one and return it if it has issues and also let us know? 😁

[errant hamlet]

lol no can do sry

There is a third option, and that's to stick with my Vega 56 8gb

[median marsh]

well, that sounds the vega doesn't really bother you much right now, so i would wait

[vagrant anvil]

I'll have benchmark results published soon (getting things proofread now) but the ARC A770 is within a few percent of the 3060 (non-TI) in Unreal Engine. Quite a bit slower in things like GPU rendering in Blender if that matters to you.

the A750 is slighly slower in rasterized, and a lot slower in Ray tracing

oh, I should notice that I saw a lot of screen tearing, especially in 4k, but didn't try enabling their version of v-sync as that would ruin my FPS testing

[median marsh]

nice, sounds like a good alternative to the 3060 then

[vagrant anvil]

yeah. I'd still chose the 3060 personally, just because this is Intel's first entry, and who knows what driver support will be long term

but pure performance, its a good first attempt at a GPU. I hope they are successful and bring some more to the top end

oh also, I didn't really look into what these cards are selling for, they are lower performance than we'd consider selling, (we also dont sell 3060 or lower) so you'll have to make the price/performance comparisons

[errant hamlet]

is it a good bet that there's going to be a slash in prices for GPU's across the board in the next month or two?

brought about by the a770

[vagrant anvil]

I would hope so

Nvidia 40-series will slowly be rolling out over the next few months, AMD said they had some GPU announcement for later this year

[errant hamlet]

I'll just stick with my vega 56 then, not going to be making the next gta over the next few months or anything

[narrow berry]

The 4090 is so big it won't even fit in a full sized case hahaha

https://youtu.be/9IOBFl5SQVM

Lol both of these are 4090's

lol

[vagrant anvil]

Asus always goes a little overboard with their Strix

[narrow berry]

Yeah he was showing their last one

[agile lodge]

the card sizes there is site for it

Zotac have card RTX 4090 Apocalypse OC what is 367mm/14.4 inches

[narrow berry]

Yeah, I've never bought an AMD but I may actually buy my first one this year...I'm just waiting to see what they have

[wet ore]

Glad I didn't follow the smallest quietest PC builds trend lol, have a full size tower and definitely haven't utilized most the room.

I just can't get away from nvidia gpus, it's The Way It's Meant To Be Played

Although I will admit it's a serious shock that EVGA is pulling out from selling nvidia gpus

Don't blame them based off what they said about it though

[narrow berry]

Yeah but given the size of these cards and their power draw I can only imagine the issue's people are going to be having with them...people are already talking about possible fires. I have always been afraid I might break the connector while trying to plug it in or pull it out, I imagine with these it will be a real possibility....then there is the heat coming off of it. My 3080 Ti immediately started causing my CPU to overheat the moment I put it in...within 30 minutes my CPU overheated....come to find out the thing was too close to the cooling block of my water cooler and it was actually heating the water up as it passed by the fans.

So because of the heat it puts off I actually have to keep my case open and have a large fan blowing into my computer...if I don't it will actually overheat because of my GPU

Imagine now....doubling that with the new 40 series cards

[median marsh]

that sounds bad

you wont have a proper airflow in your case

[narrow berry]

Yeah it's going to be a serious problem

not only that but people will have to buy bigger cases then ever before

[median marsh]

the liquid cooled ones look bearable for any case

[narrow berry]

I haven't seen that one

I imagine the price of that one is going to be pretty steep

[median marsh]

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/dJjJRLpPF6lKHUpD.jpg

there are a bunch

some are bigger as this one tho

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/10/GIGABYTE-GeForce-RTX-4090-24GB-AORUS-XTREME-WATERFORCE-2.jpg

[narrow berry]

I bet the water cooled ones will be around $2000+ though

at least for the 4090

[median marsh]

yes

[narrow berry]

yeah that's ridiculous

I'd rather use that as a down payment on a car

Even $1600 is really pushing the limits, that's why I'm hoping AMD will have something really competitive

[median marsh]

i guess the majority can live with 3080 performance, or 3090 if they need the vram

that big price is just the price you have to pay as early adaptor

[narrow berry]

Yeah that's what they have said every year Nvidia increased their prices

in 5 years their price has increased by $1000

If people keep saying that and buying their cards the price will just keep going up

[median marsh]

well, all that crypto bullshit is to blame

[vagrant anvil]

only if you are comparing a 3090 to a 2080. not if you compare to that generations Titan, which the 90 series replaced

[median marsh]

they had the cash and "reason" to buy at high prices

[narrow berry]

Yeah

[median marsh]

nvidia won't get far with those prices for normal customers

[narrow berry]

No but they are sure going to try

at least until they realize people won't buy it

Maybe people will though

[median marsh]

i think they're pretty aware of their current situation

[narrow berry]

The thing is if I can get the same performance from an AMD card and it doesn't require half the power and is half the size then I'm going AMD

especially if it's cheaper

[wet ore]

You have to over account for airflow and power consumption, I bought a 1000w psu for a 2080 ti and i9 9th gen and don't come anywhere close to using it. Even if I got an 850w 4090, or a 1000w 4090, I would still spring for a 1200w, with the dimensions of everything listed it does take some time but you can figure out a good configuration before hand to minimize the surprises

I just can't go AMD with how games are released, and then AMD specific fixes need to be made for them

[median marsh]

that's why nvidia has to keep releasing new cards, too. otherwise they will have a hard time catching up

the prices actually don't really matter, i guess they have made a bunch of cash which makes them able to pull of that 40xx series prices

[wet ore]

Also DLSS 3.0, thats enough to stay away from AMD

[narrow berry]

As a developer you don't need an Nvidia card to add DLSS 3.0 support though and DLSS is only a crutch in my opinion. I don't think it's a good idea to lean on it for performance when creating a game. It's best to make sure it can stand on it's own before adding stuff like that

[median marsh]

i disagree in general, maybe not for DLSS specifically

[wet ore]

My use for DLSS 3.0 isn't for games performance, but for how you can use it to take stills from a game trailer, and almost flawlessly take out all the graphical artifacts, to make a solid press shot

[median marsh]

you shouldn't make your game depended on ones vendor technology tho

[wet ore]

Will be* thats what i'm really looking forward too

In my opinion, nvidia gpus are just better, you pay just a few hundred more for the latest features, best drivers, best support, better lifetime

(warning, very bias fanboy opinion)

[narrow berry]

Well I normally use software like Topaz DeNoise AI for stuff like removing noise and artifacts from images but I've never tried using it for that

[wet ore]

The future is to just push the DLSS 3 button in davinci lol

[narrow berry]

Well maybe Intel will catch up too them on that

I heard they made one that won't depend on hardware

[wet ore]

I, someone with 0 credibility in anything, personally think that intel will overtake AMD in the next few years

I bet nvidia will do something to help intel get an edge over AMD, and sing it in the name of market fairness

[narrow berry]

I also heard a rumor that Intel may be dropping out of the GPU market though

that's what some of the guys that cover the latest on these things have been saying

[wet ore]

That would be insane, they have been working on this for around a decade now, that would be quite a lot of work to throw out

I could definitely see it happening though

[narrow berry]

Yeah I mean I hope it's just a rumor. I would like to see a 3rd competitor in the Market...that would really be interesting

Anything to help stabilize those prices that keep going up

[wet ore]

All I know is that I live near their headquarters and they are seriously expanding, they just announced or opened a massive campus/production facility out here

[median marsh]

crypto goes brrrrrrrrr, intel: "let's make gpus", crypto crashs and goes proof of stake, intel: "kthxbye"

[narrow berry]

Not a bad point, could be the only reason they were getting into the market XD

not sure how far that crypto stuff goes back though

[median marsh]

nvidia was that gold shovel vendor in the whole crypto thing

they must have made cash like crazy, they are the real winners here

at least from an business standpoint

[narrow berry]

Yeah as soon as I realized what was going on I was pretty shocked....but at the same time I understand why they did it...makes perfect sense if your just trying to maximize profits.

[devout osprey]

Is there any good alternative to core i5 9400 that has more cores and is good for compilation tasks?

13k and 7k ? what are these things?

[fallen oasis]

13th gen intel and 7th gen amd?

Or something like that.

The 7k amd cores are out and performing really well (like 30% improvement on compiling?)

Not sure about the Intel ones.

[devout osprey]

okay lemme share this processor thing with you that I saw on Unreal Engine Doc site

[fallen oasis]

That just sounds like you're asking questons. 😦

A pretty trange redo!

[devout osprey]

This list represents a typical system used at Epic, providing a reasonable guideline for developing games with Unreal Engine 5:

Windows 10 64-bit (Version 20H2)

64 GB RAM

256 GB SSD (OS Drive)

2 TB SSD (Data Drive)

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER

Xoreax Incredibuild (Dev Tools Package)

Six-Core Xeon E5-2643 @ 3.4GHz

here this is the one

[fallen oasis]

That's probalby outdated.

Yeah. Damn

[wind egret]

E5-2643 is ancient

[devout osprey]

will it work ?

[fallen oasis]

Don't buy that machine.

[devout osprey]

like I dont' think i can afford newer ones

[fallen oasis]

If you have that machine, use it as a paperweight.

[wind egret]

Intel was adding "v4" to the end of its E5 lineup years ago.

[devout osprey]

not only tight budget but import is kinda bad and makes prices almost quadruple in my country

for us yes it means like that

[fallen oasis]

You don't need a threadripper to get good compile times. With the 7x series coming out, the 5x amd cpus (whcih are really good at compiling) will come down in price soon.

[wind egret]

Knowing the prices in your country would be helpful. A reasonable price in one country isn't available in another.

[devout osprey]

older stuff that's in the market I can afford it to some extend but not newer

[fallen oasis]

You can always try and pick stuff up second hand.

[wind egret]

I suppose that would make sense in a country where landfills are at a premium. If you can't throw it away, might as well sell it for fire sale prices.

[devout osprey]

pretty much

import is limited as well new stuff imported is very limited and depends on market demand

and vast majority doesn't want too cutting edge means those who want it pay their prices not market prices

thanks for the info was really helpful

I'll see to RAM options instead

[fallen oasis]

ddr3200/32gb minimum.

Preferably at least double that.

[devout osprey]

is ram speed modifiable?

for example my ram on default runs on 2666 at least that's what the bios say

what is JEDEC and XMP ?

no no overclocking at all to anything

[wind egret]

I have my doubts that the speed is that important.

[devout osprey]

everything is in default settings

[fallen oasis]

XMP is like built in overclock for ram because everybody just does it.

[wind egret]

Hey now. If it's not even a v2 Xeon from the skylake era, it's 14nm+ at most.

Oh the 9400. Which is likely faster than the Xeon, so there's that at least.

[devout osprey]

at this point I'm considering to buy iPhone 13 instead and use it's processor for code compilation

given how pathetic core i5 9400 is

what is 6000 and 11000?

oh so from 6th gen to 11th gen all bad

it's in abundance they should bury their greed in it rather then making silicon these days

lga 1151 i think is the socket my motherboard uses it's b365 Plus by TUF which good processor it can support?

[wind egret]

That's harsh.

[devout osprey]

in all honesty just tell me the processors that are better then mine and can work on this Motherboard

9400F

i5

hmm i have exactly same motherboard two of them one is in use another one is defective the Processor Socket got damaged. changing them in and then changing motherboard what will you guys say I should get?

[fallen oasis]

Mutant cpu from China?

[wind egret]

9700K would be 30-50% faster. 9900K would be 50-100% faster. And the latter is juggling with the AMD 3700X, so...

[opaque pond]

hmm would a 3950x do well in unreal?

[agile lodge]

the intel creator challenge on overclocking raptorlake i9 got to stable 8.2GHz with LN2

[foggy rampart]

Those new CPU from Amd and Intel are just perfect for Unreal. Whichever you pick up will be good. I changed my old 4750k to 7950x and my compilation time is like 1500% better. What do you want more than spending less time on not productive stuff?

[opaque pond]

well i already have a good cpu

so uhhh idk

[agile lodge]

i have fourth gen intel i5

[median marsh]

if you get it cheap sure, but a 5950x would be the better pick

[opaque pond]

its 290€

[prime loom]

I watched a LTT video recently that demonstrated the MAG MORTAR board performed better than some other brand top tier boards.

Ive always bought Asrock. They havent missed a beat and tend to have more features for less price.

Upgrading to the new Ryzen CPUs ive decided to get Asrock again (I was going to get Asus) because they have a really good feature offering on their lower priced X670E boards

[torn hound]

@prime loom you've just put Asrock on my radar. I have only ever used Asus but these new motherboard prices have me looking elsewhere

[prime loom]

I havent had any issues with them, ive had 2 of their boards from previous generations.

[prime loom]

Its usually the price 😛

[torn hound]

Thankfully I've never had to deal with Asus RMA and their software is always great. What's driving me away though are the prices on boards that don't even have a nice IO shield or LED debugger

[mighty cosmos]

All my motherboards were from ASRock and have 0 complaints

[prime loom]

I am hoping that it at least drives AMD prices down.

Intel look to be cheaper. But I want to give AMD a go. Ive never had AMD before

[karmic trout]

Is it possible to use new 2021-2022 iMacs as a second monitor for Windows PC?

[devout pendant]

it seems to me that Asus = ASRock = Gigabyte... pretty much like Audi = VW = Skoda = Seat, etc

[karmic trout]

Audi -> Mercedes -> BMW

[mighty cosmos]

As someone who heavily dislikes German cars I don't appreciate this comparison 😅

Lol

[prime loom]

Yeah consumption is going to be crazy for this generation

Im getting a 1200W PSU just to make sure lol

[wicked swan]

I'm prob skipping this gen

[prime loom]

A Ryzen 7950x and an RTX4090 will be some high wattage

[wicked swan]

yeah...

if I had the money, I'd get a 1200w just to be on the safe side

[median marsh]

i bet 90% of users only have an pciex gpu

and 60W for drives... idk man

a normal hard disk takes max 10W, an SSD less

[wicked swan]

pcie x4 4090

[prime loom]

Probably 🤷

But with spikes and stuff I dont wanna take the chance.

[wind egret]

trust the magic rumor

those ballpark figures are at 985 watts anyway
you need a 1500 watt psu

[prime loom]

Rumors also said the 4090 would be rediculous on power like 800w lol

[median marsh]

well, gonna see what the OCed vendor cards draw...

[wind egret]

Gives you room to add more things. Or overclock... if there's any room left for it.

[prime loom]

They wont be anywhere near that, the electrical infrastructure wouldnt cope in most countries running 110v etc

[median marsh]

are there official numbers from nvidia now? nvm, ~500W for the 4090

[prime loom]

Maybe? I havent looked.

The power draw maximum going forward for next generations will be dictated by the electrical infrastructure in the Americas lol

[median marsh]

but there are apparently really companies which recommend an 1200W PSU... https://www.tomshardware.com/news/1200w-power-requirement-rtx-4090

[prime loom]

Until they basically saturate their own market and ultimately crash it.

My assumption is that they overplayed their hand expecting the Mining Boom to continue.

I suppose that gives them an opportunity to test whether 2 lineups at the same time would sell.

I think its really important that Intel succeed with ARC

Nvidia are getting to big for their boots.

[wind egret]

fighting over a shrinking market that seems implausible

[median marsh]

i guess they are sitting on a shitton of stock/contracts with TSMC 😄

[mighty cosmos]

Raw rasterization performance improvements beyond their gimmicks like dlss 3 are pretty disappointing this gen, plus their scammy marketing with 4080 12GB being basically a much more expensive 4070 is all kinda meh
Looking forward to what AMD will do

[prime loom]

Hence why it would be good for Intel to take some portion of the market, might force Nvidia to rethink its strategy.

[mighty cosmos]

yeah 100%^

[prime loom]

More competition in this space would be healthy for consumers.

[median marsh]

is there anything planned from intel which could compete with 3070+?

[prime loom]

Maybe not this time around, but if they hang on, they could probably compete within a generation or 2.

Thats my hope.

[median marsh]

well, if i had to buy now, i might have considered the A770 instead of an 3060

[wind egret]

nvidia/intel need more lumen powered games to drive gpu sales

[median marsh]

apparently they are pretty close while intel offers more video memory

[mighty cosmos]

apparently a lot of driver issues with intel GPUs, DX9 games being completely broken most of the time

[prime loom]

Its 1st gen. Its not going to be perfect.

For the sake of introducing more competition, I can forgive issues Intel has right now.

[wind egret]

are there enough fond early adopters to make it worth it for Intel if the drivers aren't ship-shape?

[prime loom]

Thats the question I guess.

Lets hope so.

But Drivers can easily be improved.

Its not like the Hardware is broken.

[median marsh]

yea, because you don't have to deal with them yet 😄

[prime loom]

True, but that doesnt mean I cant be on their side.

lol

[north arch]

a 15A breaker at 110V is 1650W, at 95% efficiency that leaves 67.5W for speakers and a lamp

[wind egret]

buy one of each Intel GPU, sell them for profit as a collector's set five years later

[prime loom]

Yeah, but in the real world, a single breaker doesnt feed a single outlet.

[median marsh]

maybe nvidia will force the US to switch to 240V 😛

[wind egret]

No we up the amperage on the breakers

[prime loom]

🤦‍♂️

[wind egret]

hopefully Intel sees it that way
I'm not confident in their follow-through

[prime loom]

There would be some threshold where they would pull the plug even if they had that mindset.

Heres hoping they manage to become a new competitor into the future.

Who knows, maybe we might see Nvidia try their hand at CPUs lol

[astral shell]

Very cool program if you are like me and have speakers and a headset hooked up. You can take the sound from each app on your pc and put it on the corrected sound device. I use this to watch TV, or listen to music thru speakers, but only hear like unreal or games thru headset.

https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/eartrumpet/9NBLGGH516XP

[slender hamlet]

Hey Y'all. I could really use your help. I've been using a desktop to edit videos for like 5 years but now that I'm in college I really need something portable. Any recommendations on used laptops great with video editing that I might find for under 500? Also, give me things to look for so I can shop better, I'm so new to laptops!!

[slender hamlet]

Yeah, USD

Great tip!

[north arch]

for serious work (not gaming) on a laptop my advice is a cheap one to use as a dumb terminal remotely connected to a workstation somewhere

[frank glade]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review 😶‍🌫️

[frank glade]

I just saw thermaltake releasing new sfx psu's at 1000W...looks like the direction even for mitx systems like mine (750w currently)

[vagrant anvil]

two cards isn't too hard to do, as long as you dont try overclocking them.

[north arch]

the next gen workstations will take a 240V 30A outlet

[wet ore]

getting even more 3rd eye then that, just like tesla sells their designer 240v to standard adapter boxes, soon you will have to buy one with your PSU, or unplug your dryer when you need to use your pc lol

[fallen oasis]

In the UK you generally have at most 15 amp fuses in plugs, maybe similar in the states?

[north arch]

not by code, only goes up to 20A (typically on industrial and medical buildings)

most homes are only wired to 15A outlets

yep

most major appliances with large draws run 220V (dryers, ovens, whole-house AC, water heaters, etc.)

https://i.stack.imgur.com/OLiV9.jpg

we have a few options

[fallen oasis]

So many random emojis.

[north arch]

oh, seems there are 30A 120V models

and 50A, but at that current draw, those are some beefy wires

you don't see 3-phase in residential much

[fallen oasis]

Now I'm wondering what draws 15KW of power.

[north arch]

5, 6, and 14 series are the most common

also some 10 series

[fallen oasis]

Yeah...

I think my charger is 15A. But that's a standard wall socket one.

I think the boxes you can get installed are 30A.

240V

Well, I say that, but most of the things actually expect 220V if you read the labels.

[opaque pond]

my transport runs on 750V

alot of amps

[fallen oasis]

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html

[median marsh]

no you can't be sure if the cables in your walls are supposed to support higher currents, so there would be risk of them to burn through...

[wet ore]

straight faced wink

[wet ore]

upside down groans

[frank glade]

https://www.engadget.com/meta-quest-pro-hands-on-specs-price-the-headset-that-will-enable-the-metaverse-173253437.html are the days of 500$ headsets over? 👀

[wet ore]

Of course they are, just wait until apple reveals their headsets price

[median marsh]

which $500 headset provides stable location tracking? thought they're all ~$1k

something lke vive or index with lighthouse tracking

[frank glade]

reverb g2, quest 2, pico 4? I think there are zero issues with them

[north arch]

no issues with my quest 2

[fading rampart]

anyone here free to help with a pc build for unreal?

for CPU how's the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X?

[prime loom]

You will have no trouble with anything with a 5950x

[fading rampart]

Isn’t the 12700k a better option?

[fading rampart]

Sorry I got confused with another

[harsh garden]

If I can get a RTX 3090 for 1/3 the price of a new RTX 4090, that's better value I assume coming from a 2080 super...?

considering I can probably still sell my 2080 super for up to half the price of the 3090

Just curious how much better the 4090 is when it comes to UE5, specifically working with world partition, data layers, nanite and lumen

[tawdry drum]

I feel like the 4090 is extremely overpriced personally. So, I'd definitely go with the 3090.

[worldly kettle]

6 years ago, I got a titan X (pascal) it runs 400ish in blender benchmarks, so I got 2 and a 1080. That's $3000 for 1100ish in blender benchmarks. The 4090 runs at 6200 for $1700. That's not over priced at all if you're using it for work, but that's ridiculous for gaming - and it's 24gb of ram - so it works better for simulations and fluids in unreal.

[harsh garden]

If we're looking at RAM alone the 3090 has the same amount, except in this case it would only be $850 (CAD) for me to get used... the 4090 starts at $2250 CAD but since it's from a retailer and that's the cheapest aftermarket one, it can easily run up to $2700 with tax

The 3090 apparently gets 5900 or so in blender benchmarks

[worldly kettle]

yeah it's pretty fast

[harsh garden]

The DLSS 3 part seems the most significant, otherwise it doesn't seem like the performance advantage is worth 3x the cost

[worldly kettle]

the VR perf is 50%+ from 3090 to 4090, and I do a lot with VR, so I'm looking forward to that

[harsh garden]

I'm considering getting into a cycle of upgrading every generation as the price drops the way the 3090 has

if I can resell the old one for ~50% of what I got it for it should be pretty worth it

[frigid heath]

if price drops so does price of ur old card

but yea i rather get midtier of recent gen more often than "futureproof" my new build

[vagrant anvil]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4090-24GB-Content-Creation-Review-2374/#GameDevVirtualProductionUnrealEngine I haven't updated my test suite to UE5 yet (will be doing that with 5.1) but you should see similar gains with nanite/lumen. I didn't use DLSS, so this is the raw computing power of the GPUs.

[harsh garden]

Wow that's surprising, and I'd be super annoyed if I bought a RTX 3090 at MSRP....

[vagrant anvil]

thats a 2 year old GPU. The real bad call would have been buying the 3090 Ti, which only came out March this year. (I never understood why they made that card)

[harsh garden]

I guess it is, but the price hadn't gone down much until recently, ~2x the frame rate in UE is pretty polarizing especially considering how recently the Ti was released as you mentioned

I'm still pretty new to the industry so I think I'll still be getting a cheap 3090 as a stop gap while I learn and do a mass upgrade when PCIe 5.0 cards come out

[vagrant anvil]

depending on what industry, moving to the latest and greatest is not always the best move. If you are doing game dev, and your game needs a 4090 to be playable, you are going to have a very small market. If you are doing virtual production or cinematic filmmaking in UE, then this would be massive time saver

[harsh garden]

that's true, I'm getting into game dev so it would mostly be to optimize DLSS 3 and for quality of life while using the editor

[rancid ginkgo]

Guys/Girls

Is it good idea to buy Steam Deck (that one with the highest price)...so I could make config and test my own projects on it?
I mean...if you think it is worth it.

[wet ore]

Steam deck uses Proton which is a windows compatibility layer. Not everything will work right off the bat on a steam deck vs a nornal PC. For the most part valve goes through the top games by hand and fixes compatibility issues. So it would be better to test on a normal lower end PC

[minor veldt]

What do you mean ray tracing performance doesn't help run Lumen? I thought Lumen make use of ray tracing hardware.

[weary glacier]

My 6900 XT is black screening, 3 times over the past couple days 🤒

Always while in Unreal, not while playing Quake Champions. 4.2.7 or 5.0.3 doesn't seem to matter

[wind egret]

at least gpus are in a cheap phase

[weary glacier]

I'm seeing reports of other people having the same issue, but some say nvidia isn't much better right now

Thanks I wrote that down to try next time it happens! About 50% of the time the computer comes back on after 30-60s with an AMD error window saying something about how a driver was unresponsive and restarted. Will have to take a screenshot of it next time

[prime loom]

RTX4090 from ASUS in Australian dollars is $3800

😦

[weary glacier]

Just updated my Windows 11 and AMD drivers (before this, still happened after, not using optional/beta AMD drivers), will make sure the GPU is seated properly ty!

[mighty cosmos]

I had something similar but it's a know driver issue that should be fixed in the next release (at least what's happening in my case)
Basically it would randomly crash the driver when alt tabbing into a youtube video, disabling hardware acceleration in the browser fixed it
Also make sure in the graphics setting in the radeon app that you don't have VSync set to always off, any other option is fine

[mighty cosmos]

also use the optional driver, it's way way newer and better

yeah optional is the one you want but it's funny because even the installer will try to discourage you from using that one lol

[weary glacier]

I switched the 1000W PSU from dual rail to single rail, made sure the card and its cables were firmly seated. When I set it up I used separate power cables instead of daisy chaining, so that should be good. Cleaned out a bit of dust from the front and bottom dust traps, wasn't too bad. Fingers crossed 🤞

It happened again lmao

Will try the MSI underclock in a bit

[weary glacier]

Weird thing is it happens while working on Blueprints, not even playing in editor

I did the underclock 🤞

Happened again after the underclock 🥲

Gonna try "downgrading" drivers from Enterprise 22.Q3 (whatever that is) to the latest optional

[wet ore]

this may be redundant but what I always make sure in my builds is that each part gets its own cord directly to the psu, no shared cords except for HDDs and SSDs. Make sure your GPU has its own cord directly to the PSU and that you plugged both those puppies up

run windows update over and over, go to the support page for that gpu and maunally download drivers first, then use the software tool. try doing a clean install option if it's available

[weary glacier]

Downgrading to optional didn't help. I had this happen to me a few times since getting my computer 2 months ago but not like this where it's just constant

[mighty cosmos]

Is this a brand new system, did you have any other GPU before on this system
If you did, did you properly remove the old drivers with something like DDU

[weary glacier]

Brand new build

[mighty cosmos]

find this setting and make sure it isn't set to always off

and disable all of the special features there too

[weary glacier]

That's what mine is on too

[weary glacier]

Changed to those settings and it crashed on the editing a Blueprint stress test. Going to try downgrading drivers further

[wet ore]

did you download all the drivers for your motherboard, and update the motherboard bios to latest? that sometimes has some specific hardware fixes

my motherboard had a bios fix for something about 9th gen intel cpus and 64 gigs of ram or more

[weary glacier]

Downgraded to 22.5.1 and it hasn't crashed yet... I recently upgraded my motherboard drivers and bios a month ago but if it keeps happening I'll check for new updates there too

My Windows 11 sleep mode doesn't work that's why I was trying to update those, and it didn't fix it :DDD I have to start fresh every single morning

[wet ore]

Oh I didn't see you had win11. I tried it, it destroyed VR performance by making it shudder, not graphical lag, went back to 10 and it was fixed. Not many experience that or other gaming problems but some do. They say it's a mix of different hardware setups and drivers conflicting

As a last resort if it starts crashing I'd see if it's possible to get on 10 but thats good news to see its not crashing so far

[next scroll]

Gamer by soul
But also got into development of the release of UE5

Planning to get myself a Christmas gift if life allows me

So far looking for a budget between 3-4k

Been looking at something like this for now but any tips is gladly appreciated since hardware has never really been of my interest.

https://pcbuilder.net/rigs/oZOwS6/

[weary glacier]

Those Intel CPUs have cooling issues where the socket doesn't seat the CPU with even pressure so the thermal paste doesn't get an even distribution, that's why I got an AMD

That DDR5 RAM is fast but I got 1TB DDR4 for $200 🤔

That air cooler might not be enough for an i9 12900K... maybe an AIO instead? But you still run into that Intel cooling issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb25vsNBQI

I got 2TB nVME for $200, so that samsung evo 970 might be overpriced, check out this site for nvme buying info https://old.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/

Might want to bump up to 1000W PSU? You've got a power hungry setup and it looks like the trend for high power consumption will only continue

If you are waiting until Christmas, the new generation of graphics cards and IIRC even the new AMD socket are coming out basically right now, so you can hop on board or get discounts on the old stuff

[wet ore]

Remember first I'm just some dude who also loves gaming and unreal engine. I personally will never get anything besides nvidia and intel since I've had the best experience and lifetime with both.
I personally have had horrible a experience with a gigabyte z390 motherboard. Their customer service will tell you they are a hardware company and not a software company. You absolutely will be disappointed with the jank RGB software, and ultra jank and dangerous tweaking OC software. Their BIOS software is horrible, sometimes it will randomly switch to the other dual bios, disabling the XML profile. The internal CPU temp read from the motherboard was always around 10c off what the actual chip was reporting. RMA'd it for these reasons and they found no issues. Can't boot into the bios anymore on that rig despite days of troubleshooting, I moved on and bought something else I now love.

There is no reason imo to spend that much for that motherboard, besides gaining the ability to handle 256gb ram, and maybe do something intense like sli 2 3080 ti's and OC the CPU.

I've had some coolermaster fan coolers and an AIO, I REALLY wouldn't trust it with that cpu, like at all. I would either go with the noctua d15 140mm, the NH-U12S 120mm, or match your case and get one of the cool NZXT krackens

[wet ore]

https://pcbuilder.net/rigs/yT03sH/

I also changed the corsair kit to 64gb since it would save some money, and also for $20 more you can get a 2tb drive

thats all just my personal pref if I was dream building in that range, I would also really consider going up a size for the case to a nzxt mid

[peak lava]

Thanks Kelly, I'm one of ya'lls customers. Best UE benchmarks I could find. I was checking every few hours since yesterday on the site. I'm only a year in on UE dev and still coming up with my game so maybe by the time I release something this tech will be in the 5080 or 6070 and everyone will have caught up lol

[peak lava]

https://youtu.be/E4NL1JfPiIo

[next scroll]

Thinking longterm with the ddr5 slots but price contra power im kinds clueless there atm since Ive only been gaming befor, noticed with my poor old gtx 970, i7 4790k and 32gb ddr4 that its chugging slow as fuck sometimes while PIE or building or doing other more heavier type of stuff.

@weary glacier What would you build for the price range tho?

[next scroll]

Also for sidenote, rgb and colors or whatever aint something i care about at all, more of a minimalist in terms of style.

[weary glacier]

I think you can still put DDR4 into DDR5 slots (might want to confirm)? Your motherboard will still be ready for the future, then just drop in a bunch of DDR5 in the future when prices for it plummet. But 32GB DDR5 is probably good, too! I just like to have massive amount of memory to provide a lot to virtual machines, Rider, etc. But I hear DDR5 is needed to get the most out of i9, so maybe ignore everything I just said and carry on as you were 🙂

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093DNV47J
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0719DHG5Y
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08MTKJ6HM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5NWKHH
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0884TNHNC

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0815Y8J9N
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B094DYSQQL
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0822WTQW9
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093MTSTKD

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09C6DQDNT

[weary glacier]

That's exactly what I built 2 months ago in your same price range. If I had to do it again I would have picked nVidia instead of AMD for video card (scroll up to see my woes with latest AMD drivers constantly crashing my computer while editing UE Blueprints). And I would avoid Asus since I found out their software is so notoriously bad that I had to avoid installing it, which negates some of the value of buying a fancy motherboard to begin with.

That case is really good if you're looking to save space but still get good cooling, it fit a huge video card. Just be sure to take a length measurement to make sure it will fit the case. If you end up getting that case I can confirm for you whether or not it will fit and how much clearance it will leave you, by comparing it to my installed 6900 XT's dimensions and how much clearance it actually has. And I would recommend also getting another fan like that Noctua to install at the bottom to provide upward air on the GPU.

The case is really quiet sitting on the ground below and to the side of me, with the AIO installed for CPU cooling. the AIO is made by the same company as the case and it fit perfectly. I like how it has dust trap panels on the front, bottom, and top that you can slide out to clean. Their presence slightly reduces the cooling ability but not by much, and will keep dust out of your system.

Oh yeah thanks!

Seems smart to get a motherboard supporting DDR5 at this point, can always start with 32GB and crank up the capacity/clock rates later when prices drop (if your motherboard supports the extra capacity). Looks like the new AM5 socket for AMD just came out so might be worth looking into as well. But who knows what teething problems it will have. Intel's current socket has issues but at least people know exactly what they are at this point. When I was buying my computer the Thermal Grizzly Contact Frames weren't in stock but looks like you can purchase them again now https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Grizzly-Intel-Contact-Frame/dp/B09YYQBXQY however watch the video here b/c you have to be careful when installing or you can cause damage to your hardware #hardware message

A couple other tips. Don't just slap on the AIO with the stock thermal paste that came preapplied it's often pretty weak and you're better off with an aftermarket one like from thermal grizzly

And if you go with the i9, don't get a small case like the one I had unless you set up that grizzly contact frame and use a AIO. Because you'll need as much cooling as you can get, maybe get a larger case with good airflow if your environment isn't too dusty

[slim flax]

I've read somewhere that the new i9-13900K cpu that's about to come out is going to be better than the Ryzen 9 7950X but I was a bit confused by the new "efficiency" and "performance" core system. Still, any good reasons to pick the ryzen over the i9?

well it's supposed to come out in a week I think

it has a total of 24 cores while being 100€ cheaper than the ryzen 9 7950 which only has 16 cores so I'm really wondering if there's a disadvantage of intel's efficiency and performance core splitup

yea it says 8 performance cores and 16 efficient cores

when working with UE and C++, is a stronger single-core, or a stronger multi-core performance better?

[next scroll]

Sitting with a old fulltower atm, might be unnecessary to even buy a new one (Taurus Overkill Case)

Unsure about that actually 🤨

Size of the tower aint an issue, dont mind going a fulltower for better cooling and space

[vagrant anvil]

about the core counts, only the performance cores offer hyper threading, so their 24 cores (8 p-cores and 16 e-cores), produce a total of 32 threads. This is what you see in Windows Task Manager. Ryzen has multithreading on all of their cores, so their 16 cores also produce a total of 32 threads.

On Intel, the p-cores and e-cores operate at different speeds, with different clocks and IPC, whereas Ryzen all operate at the same speed. We'll just have to wait until the 20th to see what that all means in the real world

[frank glade]

Why not mitx?

[weary glacier]

The main reasons for multi core is better parallelization of C++ compilation, and shader compilation IIRC

Yeah don't be surprised if you find yourself working on some UE 4 projects for a while yet 🙂

[weary glacier]

This model Fractal "Torrent" was highly rated (#1 of the year by Gamers Nexus, a great youtube channel), and from the same manufacturer as my case which I'm happy with. It comes in a variety of sizes and is designed for max airflow https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/torrent/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBxo2_lwKps

[frank glade]

Theyre the best, but I like the simple looks of the define series, especially with the new nano and mini. Finally three gpu slots too for the nano

[next scroll]

Should be noted that v1.0 has potential fan issues tho.
Corrected in v1.1

[next scroll]

Mind building with pcbuilder or another website?
Got quite some difficulty to compare stuff otherwise =/

[runic elm]

Hey guys, first time pc builder here, so could use some help putting together a build

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rendertings/saved/hmb9CJ

Any suggestions appreciated

I'll be using it for 3D work (Maya, zbrush, etc) and Game Development (Unreal Engine)
Max budget is 1800

Thanks!

[median marsh]

either get a 12k/13k intel or AMD

also you should add 1-2TB ssd to the build (depending on how large your project will end up)

and while you can run this on a 550W power supply i would go with 650W or 750W if you plan to upgrade that GPU later

[runic elm]

@median marsh thank you
Do you have a recommendation for the power supply?
And which CPU would be best

@iron zenith I wish I could but I'm already a day late, my internship started yesterday and it's remote

[wind egret]

buy a prebuilt and return it a week later #toxicconsumerism

[median marsh]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HcKJqm

here, not sure if this link works, but it's around $1800 and imho way better and could be upgraded when necessary

[runic elm]

@median marsh thank you so much for putting that together
It says it has compatability issues, is that just the site being overly cautious?

But it does look quite good

[median marsh]

it's because the mainboard had bios versions which didn't support that cpu, but they should be shipped with the correct bios now

if you are really unlucky and get one which doesnt support it you may ask a friend to copy the bios on a USB stick for you, then you can flash it on your own

but i highly doubt that there are still boards with old bios around, unless you buy from some small company which may have one laying around since >2 years

[runic elm]

Okay good to know
Is there anything I need extra to set up the build
I have ordered thermal paste, but i don't know if there's anything else

[median marsh]

thermal paste is shipped with the cooler

so no, you dont need anything, except a screw driver 😄

[runic elm]

Oh.....
Okay, lol, thanks

[median marsh]

and well, i hope you have space for a 27" screen, because working on 21" 1080p would be a pita (imho)

[runic elm]

Ye
I'll see, i might be able to take a 24 inch from uni for free, so i just wanted the 21 as a second monitor to display documents, refs and such

But ye
27 would be nice

[devout pendant]

majority of steam customers still run in 10xx series, so thats pretty optimistic view

[devout pendant]

Rtx 2080 or gtx 1650?

[wicked swan]

So, I'm curious, I know how many watts an RTX 3090 uses, but I wanna know how many amps the card draws. I couldn't find anything on the internet about it, and there isn't a sensor in Aida64 for it. There's a current sensor for the CPU, but not the GPU

I was wondering if any of you guys could figure it out

[prime loom]

I = P / V

Current = Power (Watts) / Volts

[wicked swan]

alright... so based on that, 350 watts / 1.0810v = ~323.77

wow

did I do the calculation right?

[prime loom]

Choosing the correct input values and thus interpreting the output is super important here.

Because the PSU will provide different values

Depending on where you are taking those inputs from for example.

If you are looking at what amperage will your final subcircuit will be under load

Will be different to amperage the card itself will be using after the PSU

[wicked swan]

I'm taking them from the TDP, which is 350 watts
and the voltage of the card which is 1.08v

I'm no electrical engineer, heh

correct me if I'm wrong pls

[prime loom]

You arent, but how are you interpreting it? Are you assuming thats what your incoming line amperage is for the house, because thats totally not what its going to be.

[wicked swan]

I don't know the incoming line amperage for the building

it's a normal american 120v socket, that's all I know lmao

[prime loom]

So if you want to know what the total amperage of what a PSU (your entire system) could potentially generate

[wicked swan]

and I'm running an 850w 80+ gold psu from corsair

[prime loom]

So that PSU could roughly generate 7 Amps

[wicked swan]

then what am I reading here?

it's described as CPU current

[prime loom]

Thats a reading after the PSU, the PSU transforms your incoming AC voltage into stable DC

[wicked swan]

true

does that increase the amperage?

[prime loom]

It changes the characteristics yes.

[wicked swan]

:o
interesting

[prime loom]

In essence, in order to achieve a certain wattage, you need to have the appropriate balance of Volts vs Amps

[wicked swan]

of course

makes sense considering the equation

[prime loom]

High volts low amps can achieve the same wattage and High amps low volts

They have their own tradeoffs.

[wicked swan]

makes sense

[north arch]

your card is powered from the 12V rail and stepped down, much the way your power supply is provided line voltage (120VAC nominal, 108VAC-138VAC practical) in north america and around 240V almost everywhere else, and stepped down. Power is constant (if you include losses of <10% for each switched mode power supply, typically).

thus, 350W (maximum) is 29A, much more reasonable for the wiring, but there will be a slight voltage (and thus power) drop over the wires and connections

[wicked swan]

[north arch]

your wall socket's all but guaranteed to be 120V 15A on a 15A or 20A breaker, which is good for about 1800W maximum

your typical room space heater is 1500W, for comparison

Also note that your breaker may be rated 20A with 15A wiring to each 15A outlet as code assumes no one socket is going to draw all the power. Just because your breaker doesn't trip doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to have a pair of 1kw loads on the same outlet

each outlet on a 2 or 4 outlet household box is likely powered by a shared set of wires, while nearby outlets may or may not be, but if they are the wiring should be able to handle 20A

[wicked swan]

I overclocked my gpu to draw about 370-380ish watts depending on the load. So I'm guessing the amps would increase to around 30?

[north arch]

31.7A or so

[wicked swan]

Wow

[north arch]

but at the outlet side that's only 3.2A

plus losses, call it 3.5 at the worst case

[wicked swan]

Strange bc my cpu draws less wattage than my gpu, granted it's a much higher voltage. And I doubt aida64 is incorrect, unless it is 👀

I'm not very savvy when it comes to the electrical side of things 😅😅

But I'm learning a lot

I'm getting readings of above 60 amps on the CPU VDD

[north arch]

your cpu current measurement is after the switching converters drop it to 1.2V or whatever it is

[wicked swan]

Yeah it's between 1.1 and 1.2v

This is very interesting

[north arch]

about 83W at the processor, call it 90W total including the switching regulators

7.5A assuming it's getting a 12V supply rail

[wicked swan]

It's 145w

[north arch]

about .45A at the wall

then it's clearly not at it maximum design power, you're not running a cpu benchmark on it

at least not one using all the cores and not bottlenecked

[wicked swan]

I am not benchmarking it ye, I'm running some deep learning and boinc projects

But it can use all the cores at 100%

But it's not synthetic

[north arch]

your digital electronics power comes from two (technically 3, but we're ignoring the third because it's stupidly tiny) sources

smallest is the energy used to actually change information, we're ignoring this (landauer's principle)
steady state current through FETs, which is mostly gate and channel leakage currents (and some quantum tunneling), and is small
largest is switching losses from channel resistance and gate charges, and is the vast majority of your losses

[wicked swan]

[north arch]

Steady state losses are NOT your idle power draw. At idle, your computer is still doing a LOT of work

[wicked swan]

holy crap

but I'm guessing it does the work so fast that, at idle, the software reads as 0% cpu usage?

0-1%

[north arch]

yeah, and it's actually not that simple but close enough

[wicked swan]

:o

this is cool stuff
are you like.... a computer scientist/professional electrical engineer?

[north arch]

I've been working in the electronics industry since 2005

some things the cpu is doing at idle:
running it's clock
monitoring peripherals for changing signals
refreshing ram
updating the system clock
maintaining caches

some things the OS does at idle:
communicating with your network adapter
refreshing the screen
processing interrupts
task switching
monitoring the clock to trigger events
processing peripheral updates

[wicked swan]

wow
I love learning new things

[north arch]

in the old days, you could see a significant idle load, but your os was also just one process

[wicked swan]

that's cool

[karmic trout]

Is using 256GB for OS kinda best practice?

Or it prevents Windows to eat more storage?

[karmic trout]

I was just feeling good about my current cpu reading this

[opaque pond]

gpu escaped from the 3,5 gb cemetary

a 970 will literally have issues w ue5

[karmic trout]

They are good for making AAA games. Ryzen 7700 will be good enough for me. I make mobile games

😭

[wind egret]

Are threadrippers/epycs even that good compared to a 7950X by now? It's been a while.

[karmic trout]

Idk. Seems to me a bit overkill for mobile.

[wind egret]

Everyone wants to compile the engine from source 15 times a day.

[karmic trout]

Yes

OMG

This is what Epic uses for UE5

Still 256GB for OS

[rancid ginkgo]

64GB Ram 💀💀💀

I feel lucky to have those

[vagrant anvil]

the E5-2643 is a 4 core CPU. Unless they meant the E5-2640 which is 6 cores, but only 3.00 GHz. Either way those CPUs are 10 years old and have been discontinued for some time.

I'm fairly certain no one at epic cares enough to update that page, they have plenty of other more important things to work on in their docs

[agile lodge]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/12gb-4080-unlaunch/

[vagrant anvil]

in unrelated news, the 4070 is now $900 😅

[vestal thistle]

Did anyone buy the Asus PG42UQ? I am waiting for my big Black Friday splurge to happen before I buy... but still don't know if its a good huge production/gaming monitor

[frank glade]

40+ inch 4k is the best

[vestal thistle]

I was looking at the LG 5kx2k, but its only 72Hz and IPS so not possible for HDR 😦

what is really interesting is that none of the key reviewers are doing reviews. I know that Linus at LTT already replaced his C2 for this. I just want to make sure that the OLED protection stuff is minimal impact and that text is crips for production work. https://rog.asus.com/es/monitors/above-34-inches/rog-swift-oled-pg42uq-model/

[mighty cosmos]

People also need to stop buying their overprices crap because the trend of these insanely priced cards will only continue

Sadly it won't happen but yeah

[vestal thistle]

I for one agree.... i will not be upgrading my CPU/GPU this cycle until they either give a little respect down to us mortals... or well... its obvious that we are screwed 😦

[mighty cosmos]

4090 is around 2300$ here... 😐

[vestal thistle]

you might enjoy - apparently Nvidia has cancelled the 4080 12GB version

[wind egret]

Having two GPUs with the 4080 designation is confusing.
And that's why they will be releasing a 4080 Ti in 2023.

They were allowed to get away with it when they had the 1060 3GB though.

[narrow berry]

Wow, should have saw this coming...some people are posting as high as $4,500

I imagine most people doing this can't fit them in their computer which is why they decided to scalp them instead

[peak lava]

Crazy. I got that card on Newegg 5 mins after launch. It is installed now and I’m running benchmarks.

[narrow berry]

Yeah, well after the last launch with the defective 3080's I decided it was a really bad idea to buy at launch

[wind egret]

I am at least amused how much lower the gigabyte price is. One little scandal and suddenly you're 2/3rds the value of everyone else.

[narrow berry]

especially since there is a chance the cable splitters can cause electrical fires

I'm mostly waiting too make sure peoples houses don't start burning down.

Funny story: Last year I tried to buy one of those 3080s not knowing they were defective but luckily the scalpers beat me too it so I had to wait....

[runic elm]

@median marsh I decided to go for the ryzen 9 3900x with the motherboard and cpu cooler u recommended, is that a better choice and there wont be any compatability issues right?

[median marsh]

that should work, but idk how good that cpu is, it's quite a few years old?!

[wind egret]

It's slower per core, but faster than a 5800x when all in.

[median marsh]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-3900X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X/4044vs4085 this gives an rough idea of the performance difference

specially if you want to 3D model and use zbrush etc. i would probably prefer a faster single core performance

[wind egret]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-CPU-Performance-1967/
PugetBench shows the 3900X not being better in any meaningful way.

userbenchmark is good for proving the existence of obscure laptop SKUs that I didn't even know existed

PugetBench shows the 3900X not being better in any meaningful way.
On the other hand, the 3950X climbs its way past the 5900X, but again with a harsh single core penalty.

[runic elm]

@median marsh oh okay, but isnt multi better, google says its good for demanding softwares

also

if I buy the Nzxt H510 Flow, do I need to also buy fans for it? https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/dp/B09J3DS7R2/ref=sr_1_5?crid=3GA3QU940PO25&keywords=NZXT%2BH510%2BFlow%2BATX%2BMid%2BTower%2BCase&qid=1665743454&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjAwIiwicXNhIjoiMC45MiIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=nzxt%2Bh510%2Bflow%2Batx%2Bmid%2Btower%2Bcase%2Caps%2C82&sr=8-5&th=1

[median marsh]

it comes with 2 fans which should be enough for you system

[wind egret]

The 7950 does much better compared to the 5950 than the 5950 does compared to the 3950. And I thought people were less than enthusiastic about the 7000 series. 🤷

[median marsh]

mount one at the front pushing air in, and one in the top/back to blow the warm air out

[mighty cosmos]

And what's considered normal temps now 😐

I kinda hate to have 95C be the new normal

plus DDR5

[median marsh]

do people buy it anyways? yes

[mighty cosmos]

and DDR5 is still crap, I've seen so many horror stories
Someone I know already had DDR5 sticks die/behave weirdly after a while, randomly crashing, etc...

So this gen is one big SKIP for me

[median marsh]

just wait a few years, then DDR5 prices will get down and they have the next gen :>

[mighty cosmos]

I hate to say it but I'm kinda looking forward to what Intel comes out with

[wind egret]

Wait too long and you'll have to get an 8900X.

[mighty cosmos]

I'm not sure but it should be soon (ish)

And the sales of the 7x series CPUs are also pretty bad compared to all of their other CPU launches

[median marsh]

all the people that couldn't wait for pciex5/ddr5 already got intels 😄

also what is usual? corona pandemic?

that gave a big boost to all hardware sells

[mighty cosmos]

I just now when I upgrade I'm getting 128GB of RAM, 64GB feels barely enough sometimes

[wind egret]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-Ryzen-7950X-Impact-of-Precision-Boost-Overdrive-PBO-on-Thermals-and-Content-Creation-Performance-2373/

[median marsh]

iirc Der8auer removed the heatspreader and got wayyyy better temps

which he thinks might be because AMD made the heatspreader thicker so that old coolers are "compatible" (which doesn't apply to all actually)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_jaS_FZcjI

https://youtu.be/y_jaS_FZcjI?t=1131 there's the chart, almost 20°C difference

[mighty cosmos]

Also I'm pretty sure Nvidia pulled the 12GB 4080 not because they listened to their customers but because the benchmarks they posted showed it to be pretty underwhelming, slower than 3090ti, people were kinda mad about it considering how much they were planning to charge for it

nope but nvidia released some dlss benchmarks apparently

showing the performance of the 4080s

[wind egret]

The DLSS off results, oh ouch.

[mighty cosmos]

This just reminds me how glad I am that I went with the 6900xt instead of waiting for the 4x GPUs

[wind egret]

And someone used a cfg file to run DLSS 3 on a 2080.

[mighty cosmos]

The summary is basically that dlss3 is a gimmick that is often not even usable if you care about latency

I would probably use it 5 times out of never

[median marsh]

well the frame bug in the preview can be fixed in the renderer i guess, just clear the dlss framebuffer when the camera makes a substantial change

[mighty cosmos]

DLSS2 is fine, I like it, I used it on the 2080s that's now in my other PC but dlss3 and frame generation is one big gimmick

[runic elm]

@median marsh okay, will do, thanks for all the help

[fossil horizon]

I still can not buy a RTX 4090 in the US. I thought stocks are going be good this time around? 😐

[elfin mason]

Greetings All, I am looking to try and purchase a new computer and found a "Dell XPS 8940 Gaming Tower PC- Intel i7-11700 - 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD + 1TB HDD - Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB 4K, DisplayPort, HDMI, DVD, AX Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, SD Card - Windows 11 Pro" at reasonable value of $1200. I plan to develop with UE5 and Oculus Quest 2 for a project and was wondering if you might be able to let me know if this is a reasonable system for this purpose. (Also new to UnReal and 3D development but think that it is the BEST choice over all the engines that I have been reviewing) Any suggestions, or comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and have a great day.

[wraith silo]

hey, I am still in early stages, learning EU5 building a Multiplayer game, similar idea but not exactly like CSGO, mostly for friends, but might make it public, wanted to ask, for such a game, to connect everyone together, store player info like ranks and stuff, what kind of hardware should I look for to host it, how many cores and ram do you guys suggest, and bandwidth, and when it is still small, is it safe to host on personal hardware, or not, since server hosting is a bit expensive.

[north arch]

you'll really need to see what the server requires, it depends a lot on how much processing is done there (the game naval action does everything on the server and uses the pc client as a dumb terminal while GTA online is more heavily client-focused, for instance), and how much data is being transferred. Also multi-server synching would add to your bandwidth needs, but for a reasonably built shooter you'd be hard-pressed to need much over 1kb/s per player, based on my testing of my bandwidth uses in common games

[wraith silo]

got it, thanks <33

[narrow berry]

Cards will be hard to get for a couple months because scalpers haven't caught on to the fact that people are no longer desperate for GPUs....the shortage is over and prices are reasonable.....many of scalpers are going to be losing money this year.

If you watch some of the videos of people that showed up at local stores to get the 4090 they actually didn't have any problems obtaining them

there were actually plenty in stock

In one video the guy actually showed up fairly late and there were about 50 people in front of him in line and he said there were still plenty left by the time he got through the line and paid for his.

[wraith silo]

is it even worth getting 4090 tho without upgrading basically everything in your pc so it wont bottleneck, I have a 12900k but with ddr4 dont think it is fast enough, need to get the new ones

[narrow berry]

Yeah, and right now you can get 3090's for about half the price I got my 3080 Ti

So it just wouldn't make any sense why anyone would go out and pay a scalper lol

I have the same processor @wraith silo

[wraith silo]

also, 4090's isnt that good at all, because of the bad HDMI port, it can only do 120fps at 4k, which means it cant support the new 4k 240hz screens coming out without croma sub-sampling, I am gonna wait with my 3080 and lower res panel, till the 5090 lol

[narrow berry]

The only thing I am lacking in my system is Vram....that's the only real reason I want another GPU

[narrow berry]

Yeah a lot of people were disappointed about that.

[wraith silo]

I 100% was, was looking forward to getting that panel

[narrow berry]

Yeah and I plan on getting a new monitor soon

[wraith silo]

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/samsung-odyssey-neo-g8-32-4k-uhd-240hz-1ms-gtg-curved-va-led-freesync-gaming-monitor-ls32bg852nnxgo/16161098?cmp=seo-16161098&cmp=knc-s-71700000055264709&gclid=CjwKCAjwtKmaBhBMEiwAyINuwJ--d7l8vvGrqwMzTv_YjqUfxRhXCoelhMl-j_wh-V_0usdqQMPIxhoCIvsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

best monitor out there right now

[narrow berry]

Oh thanks, let me check this out

[wraith silo]

but it has croma-subsampling which ruins color accuracy at high refresh rates, I recommend waiting till new hdmi standard comes out

shouldn't be long

[narrow berry]

Ah yeah, price is a bit steep too

[wraith silo]

well it is the ONLY 4k 240hrz screen sooooooo

[narrow berry]

I got mine for about $500 on sale during christmas about 3 years ago...It's basically the same thing except it's 165hz

and it's technically not supposed to run 4k but for some reason it does

[narrow berry]

Yeah

I'll wait till it's not the only one lol

[wraith silo]

thats what I am doing too

[narrow berry]

nice monitor for sure though and Samsung always seems to have the best color

You go to BestBuy and the Samsung monitors always look much better

[wraith silo]

I am gonna stick with my 360hrz screen for now, sooooo smooth

[narrow berry]

Nice

[north arch]

hrz is NOT a unit of frequency

[narrow berry]

Yeah personally I'm not real savvy on all those monitor numbers. The only reason I'm wanting a new monitor is because this one is a bit burned out and like I said it can hit 4k but I don't actually know how it does because it's not rated for 4k and it's not supposed to be able to hit it....so I just want a new monitor that technically supports 4k...

[wraith silo]

what do you mean by that, it either has 4k or not lol

[narrow berry]

I'm thinking this monitor may have accidentally been shipped with a defect that left 4k resolutions unlocked?

[narrow berry]

If you look up my monitor it's max resolution is 1440p

not 4k

but I can run it at 4k

that's what I mean

[wraith silo]

it doesn't make any difference what you set it as, the panel still only has 1440 pixels

you cant see more then what there is

[narrow berry]

Well there sure seems to be a significant difference to me

[wraith silo]

you are just changing the scalling

so your pc is running everything, all the textures in 4k, but you are seeing them all in 1440p since thats how many pixels are on your screen

[narrow berry]

I guess that's possible but if you connect a monitor it's not supposed to list resolutions higher then what it's rated for

[wraith silo]

so it looks better, yes, but same resolution

[narrow berry]

not unless you manually add those resolutions

which I haven't

[wraith silo]

they probably put in the wrong drivers

[narrow berry]

that's why I'm saying it must be a defect of some kind

[narrow berry]

I've re-installed windows and all that dozens of times since I have had this monitor

It seems unlikely I would accidentally get the wrong drivers everytime

[wraith silo]

thats doesnt change anything, I mean the drivers on the monitor it self, not on your pc

[narrow berry]

it's a 32 inch Dell Curved Gaming Monitor

[narrow berry]

Well I don't think you can update the firmware on your monitors...at least I have never heard of that being a thing

[wraith silo]

you can, pretty easily

just put it on a usb that you plugin to it

havnt tried it before, I just know you can

but you dont need to do it, since it doesnt badly affect you're monitor, so not worth the trouble

[narrow berry]

I see, well it hasn't been a problem for me and I haven't really ran it at 4k except a few times so I'm not too worried about it

[narrow berry]

yeah

[narrow berry]

That clears it up though, I had a feeling it couldn't be really hitting 4k since it wasn't rated for it

none-the less it's a decent monitor for what I paid for it at the time....I still plan on getting a new one but I'm not sure I want to pay $1500 for one

[wraith silo]

yeah, so basicly, you're pc is sending a 4k signal, that you are watching in 1440p, it's like watching a YT video in 4k and it looks better in a 1080p screen, then a 1080p video

[narrow berry]

yeah

The only thing I have ever spent that much money on PC wise is a graphics card...I don't want to get in the habit of dropping that kind of money on PC components

[narrow berry]

You know I was thinking about it and honestly I don't think it really makes any sense to get a 4k 240 hz monitor....unless your playing Minecraft I doubt you'll be hitting 240 fps at 4k. The hz of a monitor from my understanding is basically just how fast it can refresh and that's limited by how many frames your GPU is capable of putting out for that game....a lot of games will hit a CPU bottleneck well before reaching 240 fps...so it's not even a matter of whether you have a 4090 or not

If you were planning on having the 4k but playing games at 1080p then I can imagine it would make sense...but outside of that I don't see what the point would be

[mighty cosmos]

Plus anything beyond 170Hz is pointless, and that's coming from someone who is crazy about latency, refresh rate,etc...

[west quail]

I upgraded from 144 to 240 and noticed no difference after the first 2 days

[narrow berry]

Yeah I mean even competitive gamers admit there isn't much of a difference between like 144 and 240...

[west quail]

me

[narrow berry]

yeah

[mighty cosmos]

60 to 144 is a huge difference
144 to 170 not nearly as much but still noticeable, beyond that is pointless

[west quail]

60 to 75 is even a huge difference

well first time atleast

[narrow berry]

Well understanding all of that now will definitely help me choose my next monitor more appropriately...I want 4k but I don't want to pay over $1000 for one

[west quail]

I wouldn't notice a difference at 144 to 170 though

because I barely noticed 1 from 144 to 240

[narrow berry]

I think I should mostly be looking at the color accuracy for my next purchase since I am not much of a gamer. I mostly do game dev stuff and Photogrammetry on the side.

[mighty cosmos]

I play competitively so I'm kinda sensitive to latency and refresh rate, it's not that the difference in refresh rate was that noticeable but the new monitor has quite a bit better response times so there is less blurring snd ghosting

If you are looking at something beyond 144hz I would recommend paying attention to response times to actually have a use for that higher refresh rate

There are sites that test this instead of what's written on the box, it's never 1ms like they advertise it as

[west quail]

I have a 1ms 244, yes there is very much less input delay I will 100% agree with you on that, instead of smoothness though? meh

[west quail]

also i have to say my other monitor was like 9ms 144hz so thats extremely different for ms wise

[narrow berry]

oh yeah

[frank glade]

I don't want to even look at a 144hz monitor because it would spoil my 60hz monitors that I have and don't want to sell 😅

[fallen oasis]

You don't need to be able to see faster than 60fps to get benefits from faster refresh rates.

[median marsh]

i guess freesync/gsync are the way to go

[frigid heath]

lol who would buy ur 60 fps monitors? 😛

[agile lodge]

1FPS monitors just for you with 1 99 🤣

[west quail]

that's a myth that you cant see past 60 fps LOL

[frigid heath]

gaming on 12 fps gives u that nice stop motion feel

[fallen oasis]

It's not even the refresh rate that's the problem. It's thr response time to your input.

[median marsh]

my reaction time is seconds rather than ms 😄

[rugged osprey]

4090 + ryzen 7950x in the mail lfgggg

[cinder latch]

what's your address and when is the package coming? just curious

[wet ore]

play on a 144hz monitor late at night, then a 60hz. sometimes you can see the refresh lines burned into your eyes from 60hz, at least I do

you will see the difference

It doesn't matter if you cant see faster then 3 fps, a higher refresh rate is less strain on the eyes because it's less flickering picked up subconsciously, 60 to 144 is a massive difference, massive, i'm on 60hz because 4k, and wont switch until the 6090ti releases with 4k 144hz

but every time I use a 144hz for a few minutes I weap, WEAP

[frigid heath]

i have 1440p 4k wont matter that much unless ur screen is huge

[mighty cosmos]

Ask for the tracking number for research purposes

[analog wraith]

Oh I know. I just love that dumbass myth somebody started

Higher refresh rates are especially noticeable in VR

[rugged osprey]

debating alienware ultrawide qdled, or neo g8.. for general UE 5 / Ryder, 4k will be nice for DPI scaling whereas the 1440p at 32 inches seems low on the PPI range

[fallen oasis]

Alienware is overpriced.

Not sure about the other option.

[frigid heath]

not sure what inch my 1440 is.. but im sittin pretty close too it

some windows stuff u need to select near pixel perfect.. thats only downside i noticed on goin 1080 to 1440

[rugged osprey]

geo g8 is a 32 inch 4k 240hz screen that has issues with scanlines at 240hz which would suck for text i'd imagine.. agh.

[slim flax]

Would I see a huge increase in c++/shader compile times with 16 instead of 12 cores? Seeing whether I'd get the Ryzen 7950x or 7900x, which is 200€ cheaper

[devout pendant]

I mean, I run ue5 just fine with a mid end, gtx 1650, and can run well detailed levels (with optimization)

I think it's important to at least have a mid end, or someone you know that has a mid end for optimization testing

It's what makes me remember to optimize, because my framerate dies otherwise

[tacit lodge]

Just bought a Ryzen 5 5600x with 32GB ram and an MSI Tomahawk Max Wifi AM4 socket MoBo.

Any recommendations on a sub-$500 GFX card? GeForce 3600 TI? Radeon RX 6600? Other?

[fallen oasis]

It's almost like it's the number of threads determines the score there.

[slim flax]

Lol of course I meant a DEcrease

I was tired

[fallen oasis]

Increase speed, decrease time!

[slim flax]

So you'd say that spending the extra bucks for a 7950 will be worth it? Currently planning a rig that will last for 5 or so years?

Which would be a 7950x, 32gb of ddr5-5200 ram, and an rtx 3090 (non-Ti)

[native bay]

Hey guys I’m thinking of turning one of my PCs into a NAS and consolidating all unreal engine versions (launcher and source builds for 4.20,4,27,5.0,etc) from my 3 other PCs on it. Anyone know if compiling with an engine build on a network drive is measurably slower though?

[fallen oasis]

200 bucks for 5 years isn't much!

Enjoy your 10-20% better cpu.

[karmic trout]

what's the minimum GPU required for UE5?

[foggy rampart]

medium scalability and you can go smooth in BP with gtx970 🙂

[karmic trout]

I have gtx 1060 3GB

How it will perform in UE5

Isn’t it outdated?

[foggy rampart]

You should give it a try, but I would turn off realtime renderting too

[karmic trout]

yeah, I definitely turn it off. I won't need it for mobile

[slim trout]

Limiting in editor fps to 30 is also helpful (is at project settings > general settings)

[karmic trout]

Why 30?

[slim flax]

Anyone owning a 7950x already and checked it's temperature? AMD says it can go up to it's Tjmax of 95° but I dunno if that's good for the cpu in long term sight

But I also don't know if it would reach that constantly

[wind egret]

You can turn off Core Performance Boost and Precision Boost Override to drop the temperatures and it doesn't do much to performance. Although supposedly the wear to CPUs from heat is a complicated subject that's probably not worth worrying about unless you want to run it in a museum for the next 50 years.

Or there's the 'eco mode'. Haven't seen any reviews for that; it probably does clip performance.

[slim trout]

30 or any other number which doesn't make the gpu go nuts

[frank glade]

My 1060 6gb had a little bit of lag in UE5, even empyt scenes...kind of hard to work with. But Lumen worked ok scaled way down

[slim flax]

So you'd say I shouldn't worry too much about the temperature of this CPU for normal UE+Cpp and normal gaming?

[wind egret]

How long before you upgrade from the 7950?

[slim flax]

Well, I'm planning to build this rig now, so I'd say a couple of years at a minimum?

Should definitely be a longer-lasting setup

[median marsh]

well, high temps and electronics is never optimal, but it'll probably survive 5+ years

AMD should have dropped that AM4 cooler support, apparently the heat spreader isn't optimal, as i posted a video before where they had 20°C lower temps without it

also i kinda doubt that 32GB will last you for 5+ years if you aim for high specs...

i would think about getting 2x32GB instead of 2x16GB (so that you can upgrade to 128GB if the 64GB don't last)

[slim flax]

Thanks for the heads up, I'm currently working with a workstation my company sent me, and in fact right now 32gb do seem to work, but also RAM is one of the easiest things to upgrade in the future

I'm rather thinking about CPU and GPU, but the 7950x and RTX3090 combination sounds for me like one of the best combos you can do if you don't wanna go for a 4090 (which is a bit too expensive for me and the 3090 seems like it's more than enough for what I do anyways)

[karmic trout]

What do you do usually? Video editing or programming?

[slim flax]

Mainly programming and Unreal work in general, so I'm compiling shaders and code a lot each day, definitely trying to improve the times there, but also just gaming (VR and raytracing, something I'd love to use that I couldn't before because of my old rig)

[karmic trout]

Isn’t it a bad idea to buy ryzen 5950x?

It only loses to new 7900 and 7950x

And it just consumes 105 watts OMG

Will it be good for the next 4-5 years?

[slim flax]

Had to check whether i didn't make a mistake, but I mentioned I'm planning with a 7950x 🙂

[karmic trout]

I probably go with 5950x or 7900

[slim flax]

I've seen the 5950X3D has some great gaming capabilities because of it's 3d cache, but I don't know how much that will do for me in terms of my daily programming work

And the 7900 has 8 cores while the 7950 has 16, which is another nice factor for compilation times

[karmic trout]

Isn’t 7900 12 core?

[slim flax]

Oh yea sorry it is

[karmic trout]

is it possible to use AM5 mobo with 5950x?

I mean is this 2 compatible?

[vagrant anvil]

do you mean the 5800X3D? AMD never released a 5950X3D. As far as daily programming work, the 3d cache would barely do anything. Certainly not worth it to drop cores to go a 5800X3D over the 7900X or 7950X

[vagrant anvil]

no, they are not compatible

[karmic trout]

sad case

[vagrant anvil]

unless you are shopping for a 7950X, I'd suggest waiting a couple of days to see what Intel has to offer

[slim flax]

Im probably a bit confused by all the cpu IDs by now heh, but yea, that's what I thought

So unless Intels new CPU is gonna be much better than the 7950X, I think I'll get the 7950X, although the mainboard and ram is a bit more expensive right now

Any idea when you'll have the new Intel CPU on the bench? @vagrant anvil

[vagrant anvil]

The 20th is release day

[slim flax]

Also wondering if the 7950X will get a 3D cache variant and how much better that'll perform for my use case. Might certainly not be worth it for me though to wait until it eventually comes out

[vagrant anvil]

in our testing, the 5800X3D was only like 5% faster at compiling the engine source code. so if hypothetically you were spending 30 minutes compiling code, the X3D would save you 1.5 minutes. Compiling shaders was a little bit better at like 15% if I remember. so every ten minutes you'd save a minute and a half. We'll just have to see what the actual numbers are. AMD specifically said the X3D was for gaming performance, and whenever they get so focused, it doesn't usually translate into professional workloads.

[fallen oasis]

You can save a whole lot more time, for free, wtih shaders by just turning on On Demand Shader Compilation.

[north arch]

you can shave 100% off your shader compile time by not using shaders

[slim flax]

UE5 only 😢

[fallen oasis]

Wise words!

[north arch]

and your game quality will still be better than anything a AAA studio has released as part of a franchise this decade!

[vagrant anvil]

ah, totally forgot about that. going to be updating all my benchmarks to 5.1 and need to make sure that feature doesn't break things

lightmass moving to GPU, Shaders can be compiled on demand. the CPU is becoming less and less of a bottleneck for Unreal

[karmic trout]

you can save 1000% of your time by throwing your PC out of the window

[karmic trout]

today is the day

[vagrant anvil]

not in the US at least.

[rustic bramble]

But yeah Epic themselves recommends 2gb per thread building c++

which in reality might mean a little bit more due to everything else running

download moar ram

[spark girder]

Would you consider that this era's equivalent of the 7700k/1080TI setup of old?

[rustic bramble]

and it's worth saying you don't need insanely fast RAM, just a lot of it

https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=64941&width=800

source https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-CPU-Performance-1967/

[spark girder]

More about what's the current reliable spec milestone.

Don't mind shelling out a few $$$ but it's gotta be quality hardware that'll last

That's what I'm thinking, too much in flux right now

Then there's the curve ball of rumored Mac Silicon support in 5.1. This still happening?