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neat grotto
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Plus it's great to even see serious innovation in this area.

merry verge
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Yeah, I'm happy to see someone at least moving in this direction, regardless of whether it's for games or something else.

cyan jay
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We used Swarm at my previous place, it was pretty good overall.

pulsar adder
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Hi everyone!

I a working on a project with a small team. We went with SVN as our source control however we would like to know which hosting service would be the best to host our repository.

Also, is there any option to host the repository in a single computer and then have access to it through WAN?

Thanks for the help

cyan jay
pulsar adder
lethal cedar
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Okay, starting to understand it better.
UE5 starter maps are world partition, which is OFPA by default. That's why the actors weren't updating.

vague whale
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Hello, I've setup perforce but i am not sure i am doing things in a perforce friendly way, i've kept plugins with my project, however when i come to compile i get errors about not being able to open files

winged plover
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Hello guys,
Could anyone help me with source control ? Please

teal bone
lethal cedar
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Can I Sync OFPA assets from within the editor?
These folders aren't visible in the unreal content browser, and I can't find any way to make them visible.
Must it always be synced from the Source Control GUI?

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teal bone
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They might get synced if you sync the map they are related to. I'm hoping Epic made that happen.

vale basin
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Yeah pretty sure they sync with the map. It's meant to be a somewhat invisible change to the user, you are meant to use the editor source control integration and not submit maps via another GUI anymore

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The editor properly resolves actor names in the gui

winged plover
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Can anyone help with source control ? Please

woven sluice
winged plover
runic summit
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Generally speaking the odds of having your question answered go up in direction proportion to HOW SPECIFIC they are

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example - "Why is perforce not letting me undo a changelist that I just pushed?"

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if you want a source control example, you can search for my name in THIS channel and see a year or two ago when I had some issues and it took a lot of specific questions before I finally had things click for me

winged plover
runic summit
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post in the jobs board - you can ask for help here too but, again, if you want something setup the jobs board would be the best place

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if you haven't checked the pins, there are some go-to videos for now to set up things yourself

winged plover
vague whale
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I get the impression, perforce doesn't need a lot of cpu, but storage and UE are key

restive coyote
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Hey. I'm trying to save a CPP project to GitHub, do I just need to make sure I upload the .cpp and .h files? I'm using Visual Studios though

river latch
restive coyote
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I forgot to add in this wasn't for UE5, it's related but not strictly UE5

river latch
# restive coyote I forgot to add in this wasn't for UE5, it's related but not strictly UE5

Grab the recommended git ignore for visual studio and commit it to your repo. Then add everything; it'll ignore your built files.

In summary, you have a solution file .sln which has your project files .vcproj which visual studio uses to build things. They need to be committed in addition to the cpp and h files, and any other assets you add. What you don't need are the binary files bin or intermediate objects in obj. The gitignore takes care of it all, and many other files that can come up for a wide range of development habits.

The link: https://github.com/github/gitignore/blob/main/VisualStudio.gitignore

GitHub
gitignore/VisualStudio.gitignore at main · github/gitignore

A collection of useful .gitignore templates. Contribute to github/gitignore development by creating an account on GitHub.

restive coyote
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Okay! I will look into adding things to .gitignore

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I will try to remember I need only the .sln, .vcproj besides the .cpp and .h files

restive coyote
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Gitignore is great!

hoary lichen
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hello guys, I am a noob in VCS and I came across this link, and what it says seems illogical to me, maybe I am getting it wrong

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If you push a 500 MB file to Git LFS, you'll use 500 MB of your allotted storage and none of your bandwidth. If you make a 1 byte change and push the file again, you'll use another 500 MB of storage and no bandwidth, bringing your total usage for these two pushes to 1 GB of storage and zero bandwidth.

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so I say to myself imagine what happens with a UE project which is several gbs

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rn pro accounts on github have 100gb storage

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but judging by this quote 100gb will be used so fast

radiant musk
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Is there a way to add to source control only assets that are used in the maps and not everything from the content folder ? For example I add a 10gb pack to the project and use only 2-3 meshes on the map. I don't want to upload the entire 10gb pack, but only the 3 meshes I use

wind gazelle
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copy only the meshes you use or add them independently

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you are free to choose what files to git add

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or keeping them in separate plugin

vale basin
radiant musk
vale basin
radiant musk
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or this

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when I get this last message and I click yes, nothing happens

vale basin
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Interesting. Just to make sure, you are selecting NewProjectDir\Content as your output folder? not choosing a sub folder or anything? Also you may get more info if you go Window->Developer Tools -> Output Log

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But i haven't touched the twin motion stuff, so maybe it's special. Thats just a common trip up i see

radiant musk
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Yes I migrate to the main content folder

hoary lichen
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hello guys some of my c++ files have "?" in the top right of them

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but when I right click

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I don't have mark for add option

fierce torrent
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I'm in a scenario where I have to merge some branch to main. There is this one Blueprint widget that has some conflicts going on.
Is there any way to solve these with Blueprint diff tool?

If yes I'd appreciate any tips.

What I used to do Is open two versions of project: some branch and main jsut to compare these blueprints and copy paste everything manually. This time I'd like to at least make sure there is no better alternative

storm sleet
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This is the only alternative. That's why we use file locking and only work on binary files on the same branch, and work with activated source control plugin (unreal tells you to update to latest revision when it's locked)

merry verge
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You can use the in-editor merge tool if absolutely necessary, but it's horrible to work with and shouldn't really be part of your workflow - just use it for emergencies.
#source-control message

storm sleet
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But still, even with that tool you need to manually copy paste

merry verge
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Yeah. As I said, just for emergencies.

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Mildly better than hopping between two normal instances of the editor to copy changes since it at least highlights what changed.

storm sleet
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Yeah, sure

sacred fjord
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hey anyone else having problems with perforce?

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or its only me

vale basin
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I wouldn't say it's only you, lots of people trip up on it, and version control in general. But no, i don't know of a widespread issue at this time

sacred fjord
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yesterday i could connect to my perforce server, although today i cant

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i know that router did a restart

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and changed the ip

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although i have a rule that opens 1666 port for every ip

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in a specific lan ip

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which is the same as the computer server

hushed spoke
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Anyone here has a perforce server on Vultr? I want to check my disc usage and I don't know how.

cyan jay
hushed spoke
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@cyan jay I found out that my admin panel in Perforce has it 🙂

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cyan jay
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Ah yeah good point 👍

foggy bough
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Hey guys. I have a question. How do you check the size of a perforce depot?

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Also, curious, so devOps, means all and any operations that goes into development of an app right? e.g coding, source control, packaging, app release etc are all devops? Or what exactly? Trying to get the concise definition of the term. And if it's all operations, I'm wondering if even the artistic bit of gaming is considered devops. Sorry, just trying to get it clear 😄

vale basin
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Dev ops means many things to many people. It’s meant to be the bridge between it (operations) and developers. Making sure all bases are covered rather than gaps between “that’s an it issue” etc.

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Exact definition is hard as it changes from org to org, but usually covers ci, deployment(packaging and distribution) and live server automation

foggy bough
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cool. thanks

radiant musk
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Hello. I had source control enabled and submitted my project, but then I have spent a few days working without source control enabled. How can I know only submit the changes that I did while the source control was disabled ?

cyan jay
cyan jay
woven sluice
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p4 diskspace does not tell you the size of your depot(s). i think you would want to use regular file system commands to find the depot's folder and check how big it is

limpid obsidian
cyan jay
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I guess it depends what you want to know. That p4 sizes cmd will show you how much diskspace it would take to sync the current HEAD revision of the depot.

But if you're interested in the server side storage it's not straightforward due to compression, lazy copies etc.

woven sluice
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p4 sizes -sha for all revisions.

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but not sure if it displays compressed or original size

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i think uncompressed, so more than actual disk usage. so my original answer i crossed out to just go and use the native file system is probably actually still the best answer

merry verge
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If what you want to know is how big a specific depot is on the server's disk you can just look at the files on the server. The p4 database also takes up some space but generally not anywhere near the size of the actual on-disk storage. All the files for an individual depot are stored in a folder named after the depot under the server root.

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But yes, this is not the same as the actual size of files if you sync'd the files to a workspace due to compression and other optimizations used for storage.

merry verge
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So, just going to post my little discovery here... there's a commandlet for diffing arbitrary uassets as text files. No fancy UI like blueprint diffs, but this actually works on any arbitrary uasset (and potentially umaps too).
I have no clue when it was added, but at least as of UE5 you can do this (example uses p4merge to do the actual diff, the commandlet just outputs two text files and then calls into a third party diff tool)

UnrealEditor-Cmd.exe C:\Path\To\Your\Project.uproject -NoShaderCompile -run="DiffAssets" %1 %2 DiffCmd="C:\Program Files\Perforce\p4merge.exe {1} {2}"

Gives a result like this (this was a diff between two versions of a sequencer asset).

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merry verge
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Managed to get it working in p4v as the default tool for uassets/umaps but due to some oddities around how p4v passes arguments I had to make a batch file that'd call the tool and have p4v call that.

lunar crow
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Hey all, looking for advice on source control solutions - I teach a game dev course that is working on a game to be shown at PAX south in a month and we're well into dev, but we have not yet set up source control since we're mostly working on art elements. Some of my students have reached a point with their code though that really necessitates the use of some kind of source control now though, so I'm wondering what the best solution for UE5 is?

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I only have experience with GitHub on smaller teams for Unreal, but I've been hearing a lot about perforce; The main solutions we need are the ability to check out and make changes to blueprint assets, materials etc. Merging and diffing would be secondary. If I had more time I would chat to out IT dep and get a network drive set up for our repo on campus, but we're super short on time.

merry verge
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git is probably going to be the quickest and easiest to setup for you

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Either on github or another hosting platform (gitlab, azure devops, etc).

lunar crow
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Ok thanks, does git support checking out assets now? For memory that didn't seem to be a function last I worked with it

merry verge
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git lfs does but it's not the most seamless experience

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you can lock lfs-managed assets but the workflow isn't perfect. Perforce is definitely better in that department (plastic might also be an option to look at).

lunar crow
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Great, thanks heaps! I remember LFS being rough, hopefully we can get something set up. Pricing is certainly something I have to be very conscious of as well, I only have something like 5GB of LFS storage at the moment

merry verge
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Normally people recommend Azure DevOps as it has unlimited storage but it's priced by user once you have > 5. For storage-based pricing I honestly don't know which host tends to be the best.

lunar crow
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Hmm, might be that I can work with 5.. I have 3 students that are contributing the most to our codebase by a wide margin, but 20odd students in total that we would ideally want using the repo

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Azure is in Microsoft's domain too which could be good since we use Planner and Teams for our Agile solutions, but I'm thinking it may not play great with Unreal?

merry verge
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it's just git hosting and (if you want) project management tools. Same as github.

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I'd compare their pricing vs github lfs packs. With > 5 users and > 2GB of assets you don't really have any free options unless you can find discounts for educational purposes.

lunar crow
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Ok cool, thanks for all the info and advice! Hopefully I can get something set up

merry verge
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fwiw github has some academic discounts and stuff but I don't know what it applies to - might be worth reaching out to them to see if there are options for more LFS storage.

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There's some degree of parsing (it's how copy-paste works in blueprint, for example - it exports what you select as the same text as what I posted) but it's probably not the safest thing since it hasn't really been tested that way.

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A ton of data in these files isn't mergable either since a lot of it is going to be arrays of mesh data which will never merge nicely no matter what format you put it in.

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That seems more like a limitation of how the editor lets you copy/paste though. The actual object representation in text supports just about everything as far as I can tell.

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I can even use this to diff blueprints however horrible it is to work with - every property of every node is there, along with property defaults.

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Not with this commandlet at least. There might be another one?

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mmm, don't see one. Wouldn't be hard to make though - basically just copy UDiffAssetsCommandlet.

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wait... might have found one - UnrealEditor-Cmd.exe -run=TextAsset filename=path/to/asset.uasset outputpath=some/path.txt

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I've been specifying the full on-disk path for DiffAssets, no idea if it works with a short package name.

radiant musk
cyan jay
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You can also run Reconcile just on the Source folder if you have been changing C++, or the Content folder for content.

woven sluice
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The fact that you've got a bunch of "crashr..." files indicates to me you might be submitting/tracking files that should be ignored, there's a chance your ignore file isn't working or wasn't working earlier

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You can change the filename and path column widths of course

radiant musk
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I already submitted everything. I don't have a ignore file, I'm still learning how to use perforce

winter ermine
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Greetings! If you were using a plugin that you can use to modify asset parameters during PIE and have them saved in the asset itself, what would you expect the behaviour to be regarding source control for these changes? Should the plugin check-out those files automatically?

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Or is there a way to mark it as modified? There seems to be a bool at USourceControlHelpers::QueryFileState().bIsModified but I can't find a way to modify it by code. (It says "Cannot assign to rvalue")

rotund bobcat
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@opal oar what do you need to know?

opal oar
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so basically i did a big fuckup with my libraries which is not fixable or compilable and now i need to go back to the version before that commit, i branched from my fixed version and now want to merge my fixed version into the main branch and basically overwrite the latest commit

opal oar
rotund bobcat
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you branched after you broke it or before?

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if you branched after breaking you can just merge in

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right?

opal oar
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i branched the fixed version(working version)

rotund bobcat
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you can go on your main branch and revert commit the breaking changes first and then merge in your new branch

opal oar
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the fixed version was comitted before my fuckup

rotund bobcat
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or if nothing has changed since the breaking commit, you can reset the main branch to a commit before that

opal oar
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yeah i tried that but reverting doesnt help because dependancies are corrupted or something, which means i really really need the fixed commit

opal oar
rotund bobcat
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go on your main branch

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do git reset --hard HEAD~1

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this will go to second to last commit

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you can also do --soft for more safety. That will give you that last commit as staged changes

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afer you are on the working commit, do a git push --force-with-lease

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that will overwrite the history

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so that the faulty commit is gone on the remote

opal oar
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been a while since i used the cmd, i have to right click in my repo and call git bash right?

rotund bobcat
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then you can merge in your fixed thing

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idk how you usually open cmd

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I just do it in the adres bar of windows explorer

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if you type cmd in that, one will open in current fodler location

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also beware though that if someone already pulled your broken commit, it might cause some issues for them as well

opal oar
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well someone already pulled it

opal oar
rotund bobcat
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yeah if that's possible

opal oar
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i just merge the branches and everything will be overwritten right?

opal oar
rotund bobcat
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idk what you mean by that

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but if you have no conflicts you can merge just fine

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and issue would be fixed

opal oar
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it wont let me merge lol

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says its up to date

rotund bobcat
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into main?

opal oar
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yeah

rotund bobcat
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you go onto main branch

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and then you do git merge brokebranchname

opal oar
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fixed version is one commit behind main, the latest commit was the broken one

rotund bobcat
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both were updated 22 hours ago

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did you push your changes on the fixed version?

opal oar
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no i branched from the fixed commit just now

rotund bobcat
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hmm

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I think your best course of action is a reverse commit

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if you really think that is not possible do the force push thing

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and if the other guy has issues he could always reclone the repo

opal oar
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the only thing i can do now is reverse commit and clone again cause i need the old version to get the editor running

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@rotund bobcatcant i just discard all changes made in that commit?

rotund bobcat
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that is basically what a revert commit does

opal oar
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no, i need the whole original version of the commit before that

opal oar
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so lets delete it

rotund bobcat
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I'm confused as to what you're saying

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if you want the commit to have never existed

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checkout that commit and force push

rotund bobcat
opal oar
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but it doesnt fix my bugs

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because dependencies are corrupted

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which are only halfway included

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thats why i need the whole repo set back

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which means i need to delete and clone again

rotund bobcat
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if you already pushed it that won't fix it

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still I'm confused as to how removing the breaking commit would not fix your issue

opal oar
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it will fix it by just not existing anymore

rotund bobcat
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yes

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so why not do that

opal oar
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i need to download the old version of my folder.

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to overwrite everything that has been corrupted

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i cant save anything in the version that has been corrupted

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thats why i need to get the old version

unreal citrus
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I tried pushing a default third person template to github but I encounter such issue
Any way around this? I already tried increasing buffer size, didn't help
edit: sort of resolved, switched from github to gitlab and push passed no probs. Still no idea why Icould not push to github

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mortal vale
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When I want a person to have develop only Blueprints and level design etc.
I include the compile bins Binaries/Win64/UE4Editor-MyProject.dll in Source Control, but should I include MyProject.target and UE4Editor.modules?
(and excluding source folder)

foggy bough
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Where do you write this command?

foggy bough
north coral
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SVN for life 💪💪💪

teal bone
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I so read "gym" and not "git"

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Basically don't push binary assets to git without lfs. And even that has issues.

lapis needle
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can anyone recommend a decent .gitignore for UE5 + Rider

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( mainly i sometimes switch between my macbook and desktop for working on my project )

gaunt arrow
quaint obsidian
robust bluff
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I'm new to git. I want to undo the previous x commits and have my project be in the state it was x commits ago. What's the proper way to do that? I don't care about losing the work of those 6 commits at all.

quaint obsidian
timber quiver
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I'd like to use perforce for version control, but one of my teammates is from Russia, and the perforce website at least, is blocked for him.
My question is if anybody else from Russia knows if the actual perforce is blocked too. Otherwise he would have to use a VPN, but that has limited speed and would not be convenient overall. In that case we will probably set up another source control.

cyan jay
timber quiver
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Ok thank you, I will set it up and try it then

undone robin
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radiant musk
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Let's say I migrated some content from another project to mine, but then I decided that I don't need this content. How can I undo that ? I use perforce

radiant musk
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can someone help ?

vale basin
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Delete it?

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That doesn't change with version control

radiant musk
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the problem is when I transfered the content, it went all over different folders

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and I can't find everything by hand

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how can I get back to earlier version of the project

radiant musk
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I wanna get back to earlier version of my content folder

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I click get revision

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and nothing happens ?

woven sluice
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You can either inspect past change lists to find them, or Undo one or more change lists. Get revision is for moving your known state in the depot timeline back and forth, not for making changes to content

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@radiant musk

radiant musk
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Im not very sure what i'm doing

woven sluice
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Undoing a change list will undo that change list as a new change list

radiant musk
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I already did that, it removed the content from my map, but not from the content browser

woven sluice
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I would only have to guess that you didn't undo the change list(s) that added this content then

radiant musk
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I have a question mark on that content

timber quiver
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Hey guys,
I've set up Perforce source control for my project.
The depot is on my pc. Now I want to make the depot (on my pc) accessible to my teammates.
Can somebody point me to the right direction as to what I have to google?
Or if someone has a guide on how to set that up, that would be best.

radiant musk
woven sluice
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Oh. "Reconcile offline work" on your content folder, put everything it finds into a change list, then revert it. Either revert individual files from the pending change list or the whole thing if you're certain you don't need any of it

radiant musk
woven sluice
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Well are you certain that everything you added is listed in the current pending change list?

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If yes, you can skip the Reconcile

radiant musk
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I don't have any pending changelist atm. I did a submit 5-6 hours ago. After that I added the new content which created a new changelist and I reverted it

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but the content is still in the content browser

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I just noticed that

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all of those files have a qeustion mark on them

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Which means that they are not under source control ?

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Is it possible to delete all files with a question mark

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I deleted them by hand, but there might be more

timber quiver
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When port forwarding for perforce source control I get this error. Could somebody tell me why this tells me "invalid entry!"?
From the guides I checked I'd have to put a local IP in somewhere, but my router doesn't have that option. (I assume it just takes the local IP from the device option)

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Should I just leave the 2nd TCP blank? I didn't get an error, but I'm not sure if its correct to do so.

teal bone
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Maybe it just doesn't like ranges that aren't, well, a range.

limpid obsidian
timber quiver
radiant musk
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Is it just me that source control is causing small screen freezes when clicking buttons?

teal bone
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Depends on the button, I suppose.

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The p4 integration into UE can cause freezes.

uneven shale
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anybody who can tell me how my friend can use pull requests for our unreal project? we have no idea how it works

teal bone
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You create a branch. You do stuff in that branch. You then create a pull request from that branch back into the original one. That may or may not be your main branch.

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If it's accepted, the changes from the new branch are merged back into the original one.

limpid obsidian
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can you lock files across branches in git now? (i use p4)

teal bone
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Didn't even know git had file locking.

limpid obsidian
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I think with LFS it does. i'd be curious to see what the overall workflow is like

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I imagine with the git distributed model, you need to run a centralized server to coordinate this (ie. gitlab)

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"Git LFS will verify that you're not modifying a file locked by another user when pushing" - that seems rather late in the process

teal bone
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It doesn't seem to indicate whether that works cross branch or not.

uneven shale
teal bone
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It would be done via your git host or your git program locally. If it's github, go to pull requests and hit create new pull request and just follow the on screen prompts.

limpid obsidian
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looks like you lock the file and push locally? and git lfs locks displays all locks taken?

teal bone
uneven shale
teal bone
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Not if you use the github website as suggested before that.

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...assuming you're using github.

uneven shale
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yeah im using github

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so he needs to install the project files from github. then make some changes to it, then just create a pull request?

teal bone
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If by that you mean that he needs to checkout your repository, create a branch, make changes, push a update and then create a pull request, then yes.

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You don't have to use pull requests to merge code. You can just create changes and push them directly. PRs are more like a safety/code review thing.

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And you don't even need to create a PR to merge a side-branch into the main one - it's just, again, a process to facilitate that.

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(it does make it easier if you don't know how to use git, though.)

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I would suggest you both go find some git tutorials.

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Some high-level ones (that don't necessarily deal with git commands, but with concepts)

quaint obsidian
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LFS locking was introduced in LFS 2.0.0. It locks any file for the whole remote, across all branches.

long hull
foggy bough
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Hi guys. So i accidentally marked files for deletion (i don't even know how that happened) as you can see the blue x on one of the files. I tried to go to actions --> revert in the menu but as you can see, the revert option was greyed out. How do i unmark those files for deletion?

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This is what I'm talking about

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timber quiver
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I've set up perforce with a depot on my pc. After some tinkering I was able to connect it to the internet, so that my teammate can work on it.
But now the project has big delays with everything we do. from moving assets, to making basic blueprints.
3 weeks ago when we worked on the gamejam and had access to assembla (with smartgit), there was no lag whatsoever.
Does anybody know what can cause these delays/lag? I just can't imagine this to be normal.

timber quiver
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Does perforce lag/slow down the project of anybody else? Or is this a common issue?

teal bone
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The editor integration isn't the best.

timber quiver
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I see. I'll try to use it without the integration, but I think I'll most likely use smartgit as i had good experience with it before. I really wanted to use perforce because of the integration, but it that doesnt work that well, then I don't think I need to use it.

limpid obsidian
timber quiver
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Yes I assume so too. I barely got it to work as it is. I'm not sure if its worth trying to fix the problem, or switching to smartgit.

restive hamlet
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Would it be a good idea to make zip file patches for patching game project sources during development?

I have a couple maps, a couple c++ classes, a plugin and a batch file and some project settings from one project that I'd like to be able to add to any project. The maps, C++ classes and batchfile - looks like perhaps I could just unzip into the target project because I wouldn't be stomping anything. Project settings and adding the plugin I think would require fancier merging.

restive hamlet
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I just tried it and got some broken references. Perhaps the best way is to setup a minimal source project and use the migration tools.

lavish shale
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Anyone know how to clone a repository that uses git lfs? I'm trying to get my project onto my Mac from PC. I'm getting an error when I clone the repository that says that the summary for the package is invalid when trying to load the project on my Mac, and a bunch of blueprints are not showing up in the content browser.

potent mist
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does anyone know how to fix this? googling doesn't really return anything. I know the password I've inserted is correct

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vale basin
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Open p4v and see if it asks you to sign in

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I think by default it signs you out every 12 hours

potent mist
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I've logged off and on P4V several times and I'm still getting this error in unreal

vale basin
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Is your p4 username different to your windows username?

potent mist
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yes it is

vale basin
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Anyway, one way to do it is in command prompt type this

Setx p4user=username
Setx p4passwd=password
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This does have some security caveats though, it means your password is stored in plain text in your environment variables, which may not be ideal

vale basin
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You may need to log off and back on for all programs to pick up those new vars

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Like out of windows, not p4

potent mist
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I just set p4user

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let me restart brb

vale basin
potent mist
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that worked

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just had to set p4user

vale basin
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Awesome

potent mist
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thanks @vale basin !

vale basin
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Np

potent mist
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I was going crazy

vale basin
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It can be like that

radiant musk
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Hi, when I migrate content to a project that has source control enabled, why the new meshes don't automatically get mark for add ? They have a question mark on them

merry verge
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because the instance of the editor doing the migration isn't aware of your source control settings (and may not even have the plugin necessary) so it doesn't even try.

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Just mark them for add after migration. Assuming you keep a relatively clean content directory it shouldn't be hard to mass-add new files.

vale basin
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Also, if using p4, you can open p4v and go "Reconcile offline work" and it will find any new files and modified files

dusky pivot
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Hello! Is there a way to make automatic adding files to changelist in perforce? I would like not to press "+" each time when a new big file is created.

runic summit
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is there a trick to restoring a skeleton that somehow got messed up?

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what's the correct procedure, because won't changing it also change the animations it was bound to?

runic summit
worldly sun
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Guys can someone point me where to look for a Discord Bot for VisualSVN submissions to be seen in a discord channel, i have seen this in a discord but was long time a go ?
I found this one https://github.com/marth8880/discord-subversion-hook-scripts but i get an error when i try to install the second library
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Imgur
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Also i m not a programmer, so i m not exactly sure what i m doing 😛

timber quiver
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I have a question, that might sound dumb but I just have no idea how this works.
I decided to use Github for my source control, but the project will be over 1GB later on (so publishing is not an option). I want to make my repository (on my pc) accessible to my teammate. I was able to accomplish it with Perforce, but Perforce also made it easy to do. I just gave my teammate this "myPublicIP:1666" and he had access to it.
With Github, I don't know how to give him access. My understanding of a forwarded port is that it's like a gate to your pc, but how do I specify where it has to go ( not just to my pc, but to the repository)?

strange hawk
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guys, i am trying to upload my project to my github, its nearly 13 GB. so its taking a alot of time via github app, i tried sourcetree but i keep getting this error, any other way to upload to github?

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timber quiver
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Oh I see! I will consider the azure devops, I'll have to check it out first, but just in case, would you happen to know where I could find a guide/tutorial on setting up a git server? also, is it difficult to do? I'm not that much of a coder, but I can do very simple stuff (or follow 1:1 in a tutorial)

timber quiver
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Ok thanks a lot for your help. I've set up Azure DevOps and it works perfectly and it was very easy to set up. I can't believe such a service exists for free. I don't understand why not everyone is using Azure DevOps 😄

merry verge
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Doesn't help that ADO's other services... exist. That's pretty much the best I can say about them. Github at least has an obviously focused effort on source code hosting and some relatively simple but good quality bits that circle around that.

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But if all you're looking for is a git repo then yes, ADO is a great option.

teal bone
wind gazelle
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do you close github prs by yourself or it is automated after some time post-merge ?
for ue prs on github

merry isle
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hey everyone, have a quick question if anyone can spare a minute.
Just setup perforce and was able to make changes and stuff while the editor was running

Closed the editor and trying to run it again from Rider and getting these error messages saying the files its trying to modify is locked.

Is there a "correct" way to handle this?

Im assuming there's a way for rider to auto checkout when you start or something?

The 1st file im not sure if it needs to be in perforce or not, but the 2nd is the actual .uproject unless im reading this wrong

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vale basin
merry isle
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ah okay makes sense, ill go back over the ignore and typemap setup. I followed the setup tutorial that was on perforce but looking around some more i stumbled across the typemap setup on unreal's website just now and it has a few more things listed compared to perforce's

so ima give that a go and update the ignore file some more and see if it fixes it, thanks for the info!

vale basin
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Just as a tip, you will need to delete or update what is already committed manually. Ignore and typemap don't update what's already in there

merry isle
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gotcha, ill prob make a copy of the project and just nuke the repo

halcyon iron
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Somehow I can't push my changes to Git, it keeps crashing unreal 🤔 Does anyone know why and how to fix it please ? Ping me if any answer 🙂

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teal bone
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You probably want to install the debug symbols. Might get some useful output then.

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Also use github desktop. It's fab. Assuming you're using github, or course.

short delta
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Hi all, I need help with Perforce.
We have someone checking out a file by accident, and he is now on vacation.
And we cant work with the file because its locked.
Can someone explain how to unlock them file? Tag me.
We were not able to figure it out...
😦

urban crystal
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An administrator can use the -C option to revert another user’s open files.

short delta
vagrant frigate
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Is this normal?
SourceControl: Error: Operation 'UpdateChangelistsStatus' not supported by source control provider 'Git LFS 2'

runic summit
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What's the correct process for backing up a skeleton in source control, in regards to all the animations that detect the change? Can I safely ignore them - I keep animations in my repo but I don't need to back them up when the skeleton is modified , can I safely disregard them ?

vale basin
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If the engine has marked them as modified, you probably want to commit them. Theres a reference or something updated

leaden musk
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I'm getting this error, my project is hosted on digitalocean and I went ahead and got more space. But the issue ensues... Can anyone guide me🙏 🥹 🥲

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pulsar parcel
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you probably have to resize the partition actually on the VM

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you have to do that in AWS anyway

leaden musk
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ah, I'll try this first thanks^^

zealous lance
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Hey im new to github source control with unreal, im trying to make a commit after i migrated over a folder full of assets. I have the unreal git ignore included so i thought that filtered out that stuff? the commit im trying to make is like over 2GB so clearly im doing something wrong, thanks

rotund bobcat
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were the assets already in your source control before you added the git ignore?

zealous lance
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i had already been pushing my project to github for a few versions and then i migrated some tree assets folder over that came with a bunch of stuff and now my git commit is over 2gb and it fails to push evrytime

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when i commit/push do i need to do anything special to ensure it uses the gitignore file?

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i just do the git commit -m"" -m"" and then i git push origin main

forest crag
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GitHub and game assets sounds like a catastrophy in the making, even with Git LFS. You're probably better off using a different provider or a self-hosted server.

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I know this doesn't answer your particular question directly, but git - especially GitHub - is better for just source files.

zealous lance
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well i dont want the assets

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thats what i thought the gitignore did?

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i only want to upload my source files i just dont know how to do it lmao pls help @forest crag

forest crag
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I would start an empty repository

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add the gitignore first

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then start working with that

zealous lance
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the gitignore was always there from the start'

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do i need to do anything inside of the git ignore?

forest crag
zealous lance
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alright sweet thanks

forest crag
zealous lance
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does git add . use the gitignore?

forest crag
zealous lance
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okay ill definitely take a look in a minute

forest crag
zealous lance
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yeah i think its okay now?

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thanks alot

woven sluice
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Are you seriously suggesting to someone that they only commit source code files to source control? You can suggest this, but where's the rest of the suggestion? 😄 you may be recommending an even bigger catastrophe in the making

languid plume
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Hello, we are a small team of 2 people going to 3, we would like to share our work with Unreal projects. I am reading about multi user editing. but I can

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can't find information if you are using already a sinc tool such Resilio Sinc. I have read about source control but I wonder if multi user would work OK for us.

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my question is since we use Resilio we all have exactly the same file, if we use multy edditing will this conflic with Resilio sinc? or we need to have the same project and files but only using multi user to sinc the changes but not the source files?

woven sluice
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Source control and multi user editing are actually entirely different concepts and topics

You cannot expect to use Resilio for game development collaboration, you need to learn an actual source control tool (perforce or git or plastic or svn). I don't actually know how to use multi user editing itself, sorry

vale basin
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Multiuser editing is a bit of a mess from what I hear. It's a pain to setup and very buggy. I wouldn't be using it as the basis for your whole workflow. Source control is the way to go

languid plume
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well we do Arch Viz, I don't have a background on Game development but I do in VFX. The other person are Viz artist so I was looking for something simple for them to use. Resilio is a consisten file sicking tool, so far for 3D max workflow is good but for Unreal things gets more complicate. OK so I iwll take a look at Source control in Unreal and see how that goes. You guys recomend Git? I am guessing?

vale basin
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Perforce is the one that gets the most love from epic. But there's a lot of people that have success with git+lfs. Sounds like plastic is in good shape too

languid plume
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ok that's what I was wondering if the Epic development team had a preference, cool thank you for the advice

vale basin
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Perforce is the defacto standard in the games industry.

zealous grail
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Anyone using Sourcetree?

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I can't figure how the hell to use it

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and my UI of it looks way different from anything i see in tutorials

leaden musk
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Can someone explain to me how I can make the mounted volume appear on p4v. I am only seeing the base server storage even though the drive has been mounted.

The volume is showing up when I run the df -h command.

urban crystal
leaden musk
trim grove
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So, I have an Azure DevOps account setup and I have an existing project that I want Source Control to and back it up on Azure DevOps.

Are there any steps I need to follow other than initializing a git repo in the Project folder, adding a remote to my Azure remote, marking LFS files and hitting git push?

teal bone
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You have to init lfs

runic summit
# vale basin If the engine has marked them as modified, you probably want to commit them. The...

The skeleton was saved, so it was updated - but whenever I do that, it always wants to check them out - I didn't push them (bc it was like 1k animations and I didn't want to unless required)

I look at my other machine and the 'old animations' have no skeleton, simply because I had renamed the skeleton, so the push effectively deleted the old skeleton these were referencing. Simple enough to do a bulk property edit and pick the correct skeleton, but then perforce wants me to check these out to update them.

While it makes sense if I rename the skeleton they want to be updated, IRRC, this happens even if the I simply save the skeleton (which happens the moment I bring in a new animation or edit one) .... is it just not common practice to back up animations in source control, or what should I do so that each time I edit skeleton it wants to modify 1000 animations?

forest crag
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Poor guy just wanted to gitignore an accidental 2 GB commit to GitHub

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I'm not everyone's babysitter and not his boss, ofc you're supposed to put the assets under some sort of source control, but which solution you use is up to you

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I'd stay away from the combination of assets on GitHub + Git LFS though (personal experience), Git LFS alone is fine.

woven sluice
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You started that train of thought by discouraging them from placing assets in their source control without any justification/alternative. You gave the bad advice without any qualification. That's all

forest crag
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Like gentlemen, let's agree to disagree then 👍

woven sluice
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Your loss

forest crag
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Nah, the real loss is time for having this conversation in the first place. We both (I assume) got work to do so let's keep it civil.

woven sluice
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Well. @zealous lance whatever you're doing, make sure all your assets are stored in source control.

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If you're new to this and thinking that maybe you don't need that -- that's dangerous

runic summit
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Hojo - what's the proper practice for managing animations/skeleton on perforce? I wrote a quick writeup on my problem and am stumped -

silver token
runic summit
silver token
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Oh, I see that now.
The things I can recommend are either: tell perforce to revert files that are unchanged (that can happen sometimes with UE) or just go ahead and check them in.
Sometimes changes just have fallout and you've got to submit that. But it really shouldn't be seen as a big deal.

merry verge
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Just... checkin the changes? I don't see a problem here, who renames skeletons that often?
And the issue you're talking about isn't specific to skeletons. Renaming any asset that has references to it will modify other assets (unless it leaves a redirector, but you don't want to leave those around unless you have to).

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Unreal's asset system is based on paths - unity uses an asset id that doesn't change when you move the asset so it isn't an issue, but unreal when you move something you have to update anything referencing it too.

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If you're worried about resubmitting lots of files that haven't changed much and taking up server space then look into storing only the last few revisions of assets (p4 supports this automatically with filetypes). It sucks, but game engines aren't exactly designed to save space in source control.

woven sluice
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Yeah. It's always safe to run "revert unchanged" on a change list. If stuff remains in the list, it's changed. Submit it or endmylife

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@runic summit

runic summit
merry verge
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Modifying a skeleton resulting in animation assets being marked as dirty is something I've seen as well but it's not related to renames (which is something that happens with all asset types and is expected).
I'd blame it on some changes to skeletons requiring updates to animation assets but the checks for that being over-broad and marking assets as dirty on any change rather than just the ones that require it. If you know you've only made minor changes to the skeleton that are probably safe then just ignore the changes. If you want to be sure, I posted a diff tool included with the engine a couple of weeks ago: #source-control message

ancient oxide
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I've got a blueprint which has a merge conflict and after I resolve it, the blueprint no longer shows up in the content browser or has any reference to it. Anyone know what might be up?

wind gazelle
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When using GIT LFS & UE is it possible to somehow to perform "delete old asset objects over month age"
since nobody would try to revert that long
since repo growing to over 400gb and most of it are assets and textures

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i now you can locally do git prune, but how to free server space

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technically can do history rewrite then delete unreferenced objects but that does not work

radiant musk
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Why newly created/imported assets do not get automatically marked for add ? They have question mark

wind gazelle
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if it supports the thing or not

forest crag
urban crystal
# leaden musk /mnt/volume_wuxia_01

you can 1) move your depot to the new volume at the mount point and 2) symlink your depot location to /mnt/volume_wuxia_01 and you will be able to use the larger disk space

fluid kestrel
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for people using Rider is there a way to ignore all the files that have identical contents? I just upgraded the project to 5.0 and Rider just marked 2200 files as modified without checkout for no reason (probably simply because modified date changed)

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sand charm
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Is there a setup guide or documentation for Robomerge somewhere? I've seen discussions on it, but am unable to find out setup info or documentation for it.

limpid obsidian
sand charm
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No, Robomerge specifically.

limpid obsidian
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ah yes, i forgot about robomerge is that out of beta? also do you have the problem of "synchronizing large-scale development across Perforce streams"

sand charm
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We do, which is why we want to utilize robomerge

limpid obsidian
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the docs appear to say "read the source code"

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I don't think you'll find much public info about it

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@sand charm there are a few posts related to robomerge on UDN. that's your best bet

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looks like there are Dockerfiles under Engine/Extras/Extra/Robomerge/v3 to deploy it

sand charm
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I had looked at those and the UDN posts. I was more looking for an overview detailing expected setup environment and configuration. This kind of stuff isn't really my forte.

limpid obsidian
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that's why the dockerfiles are interesting. should be self-contained setup/deployment

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a good intro to docker here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dfLOzuIg2o&t=18s

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leaden musk
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tyvm🙏

sand charm
quaint obsidian
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github does not do it unless you delete the repo

jolly patrol
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Anyone know good resources/vids for using Perforce (p4v) with Unreal? I'm a git veteran and trying to become proficient with Perforce now

short briar
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Hi, Guys. hope you are doing good. So what's happening is that my project is connected to perforce and now when I move the objects that are in the environment from before the version control doesn't work but when I add a new object in the environment its being detected by perforce so what should be the issue here

calm flame
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Working with Perforce Helix P4V in UE5, is there a way to notify or prompt other developers that the asset is requested to be checked in (and then preferably when it's checked in a notification is prompting me it's available for use)?
At the moment we have a lot of back-and-forth of asking if the requested asset is still really in use or if it could be submitted.
We're in a heavy prototyping phase with some systems using the same components causing many lock outs so this would be a very nice thing to have!!

reef oriole
calm flame
vagrant frigate
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Is using Perforce plugin with DVCS a no-go then?

sand charm
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@calm flame The editor will tell you if someone else has checked out a file or if the file you have is out of sync with perforce. What the source control plugin doesn't report natively, but a minor engine change fixes it, is cross stream checkout notifications. If someone is actively working on a file in your same stream, you can see that. However, if someone is working on a file in a different stream, ie a task stream, that isn't on the same stream as you, the editor won't notify you of that which can lead to clashes.

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We ran into that particular issue about a month ago and found modifying the source control plugin code to check all streams from a depot rather than ones hard specified in an ini was the best way to go.

calm flame
sand charm
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In the prototyping stage, it's almost preferred you use as little binary files as possible

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Clashes can certainly happen

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especially if you're working on different streams, although that doesn't sound likely given your explanations

limpid obsidian
calm flame
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@limpid obsidian We're in UE5 and use World Partitioning where each actor has its own reference so levels aren't really an issue (mostly). Also majority is system driven with smaller components, just happens to currently use those components and adding minor adjustments.
@sand charm yeah, that's for sure! Moving from Unity's C# to Unreal's C++ implementation hasn't been the best of experiences 😅 Ended up with 95% BPs since it's powerful and most importantly quick.

tardy venture
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For anyone using Azure DevOps, can you use it just for an LFS server, and host the code in GitHub?

limpid obsidian
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have you setup exclusive locking of files with a p4 typemap? you shouldn't be in the position of trying to merge binary assets

teal bone
tardy venture
tardy venture
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Okay I'll do a mini writeup on how to use Azure DevOps for Git LFS, and GitHub for the code. Hope this helps someone!

You can see it in action here - https://github.com/sk0g/V, note the binary files like uassets are text file pointers, not integrated into GitHub the way native LFS is.

GitHub

  1. Create and checkout a repo
  2. Setup git LFS (plenty of resources available on how to do so)
  3. Create a .lfsconfig file, blank is a-ok for now
  4. Map the files needed to be tracked by LFS instead

Azure DevOps (ADO)

  1. Create a repo, LFS is set up automatically
  2. Check it out (git clone {url} is fine) and navigate to it
  3. *In the repo root, run git lfs env | findstr "Endpoint" on Windows or git lfs env | grep Endpoint on unix
  4. Copy the URL, and add it to the GH repo's .lfsconfig file like this:
    [lfs]
    url = {UrlYouCopied} (this line should be indented by two spaces)
  5. In the ADO page for your repo, Clone > Generate Git Credentials, note that down
  6. Now copy the URL in the Clone section, and clone it locally, which should prompt for and store the git credentials. If the credentials aren't stored, you may need to do something like git config --global credential.helper store, then pull/clone it again.

Now in the main repo, try adding some binary files and they should be uploaded to the Azure LFS server automatically. You can also clone, to verify the LFS fetch is working too 💪

  • alternatively, you can try to guess what the URL is, mine is https://sk0g@dev.azure.com/sk0g/V/_git/V.git/info/lfs
quaint obsidian
tardy venture
teal bone
runic summit
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I've never seen this error before? was just getting latest changelist - rename: failed to rename E:\LiveSimCurrentWorkspace\Content\Maps\UrbanCity.umap after 10 attempts: Cannot create a file when that file already exists.

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this was just a changelist that updated a few things - I'm hoping it was because the editor was open on the machine getting the latest changes and it detected those files were open?

teal bone
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Probably, yes.

vale basin
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That or you have remnant redirectors of a rename or something. If using p4, Do a reconcile and find what's not tracked

cyan jay
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Anyone using UGS - how big are your editor binaries?
I just noticed ours is coming in at 770mb compressed zip - I'm sure when I first tested UGS they were 150mb 🤔

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Scratch that, they've always been 700mb+

runic summit
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How long should it take for the reconcile command to run? on a particularly large project?

vale basin
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On very large projects it can take a while

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On a 10 gig project it takes <2 mins for me

vale basin
vagrant citrus
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so for some reason perforce refuses to add DefaultGameplayTags.ini to the depot

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when i try to, it just says "no files opened"

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no error given or anything

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does anyone know why this happens

runic summit
# vagrant citrus

if the ini file is in an ignorelist? I'm horrible at troubleshooting perforce but that's a guess - but usually get should get an info message telling you it was in the ignore file so it won't be added

vagrant citrus
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it isn't

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i checked the p4ignore file

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it has no mention of ini

runic summit
# vagrant citrus

Look at the file type there - it says none - even though the other files are text

vagrant citrus
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yeah

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that's really weird

runic summit
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I would copy the file, delete it from the directory, refresh perforce and try copying it back again and refreshing it then trying to add it to the depot

vagrant citrus
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okay, gonna try that

runic summit
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GL - there are others who might be able to chime in

vagrant citrus
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didn't work

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oh

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i'm so dumb

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this file existed in a later revision

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so perforce didn't wanna add it

limpid obsidian
limpid obsidian
twin gust
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Using Perforce with Unreal, when we're adding new files the system doesn't always understand that it's a new file until you in the content browser go into the folder, wait for a few second and then it updates and marks the files with a ❓. Is this the way it's supposed to work? If there's multiple new files going into multiple different folders its a very cumbersome process...

fair monolith
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Expert Git user, BRAND NEW P4 noob. When syncing content from Epic's P4V UDN, I sometimes get warnings like this:

1 warning reported Translation of file content failed near line 24930 file D:\Dev\EpicP4_XistGG\UE5\Release-5.1\Engine\Content\Localization\Category\zh-Hans\t7632t15680t315.tmp Partial character in translation

Anything to be concerned about? Anything I can do to fix it?

urban crystal
fair monolith
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Thank you, I will take a look.

fair monolith
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I'm trying to connect to UDN's P4V server and I'm getting this error:

Broker connection error: failed to connect to p4replicatarget.epicgames.net:1666.
TCP connect to p4replicatarget.epicgames.net:1666 failed.
connect: 10.1.20.202:1666: Connection refused```

I'm trying to connect to `ssl:p4-licensee.epicgames.com:1666`

This was working yesterday.  Very confused what this `10.x.x.x` IP is doing here.  Is it an upstream server problem?
teal bone
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That'll be the ip that that host has resolved to. Is it correct?

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It might be down, they did some maintenance on p4 yesterday.

fair monolith
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A 10.x is always a local IP that doesn't route over the Internet. It's nothing to do with the name I'm trying to connect to.

teal bone
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Are you on Epic's VPN?

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You'll get a 10.x IP in that case.

pulsar parcel
teal bone
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Also a good question.

fair monolith
teal bone
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Even so, it's not a common issue to have Epic's perforce server not work.

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You should ask Epic.

fair monolith
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FWIW it's working again. I didn't change anything. Clearly an issue on Epic's side that has now been resolved, as I suspected given the 10.x address in the error message. Something was fubar on their end and isn't fubar anymore.

limpid obsidian
kind nacelle
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How can I add other people onto my Git repository so they can make changes to the project?

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There's 5 of us

lucid stream
jolly patrol
pulsar parcel
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Streams are functionally similar to what branches are in other VCSes

woven sluice
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some streams are deep copies too (iirc only Task Streams aren't? and Virtual Streams of course)

bitter sun
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I want to use Jambax's PR for instanced structs but I want to use StructUtils as a project plugin without modifying the source. In that case, do I have to copy StructUtils from engine plugins to my project folder and copy paste Jambax's PR files or is there any built-in git functionality for that?

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like downloading Jambax's PR version along with StructUtils module

bitter sun
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how do we even download a PR locally?

jolly patrol
hushed granite
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Hello ! On linux I cannot see my Perforce workspace in source control anymore on Linux. Nothing changed on my end and I've check all settings many times. Any ideas ? thanks !

tough vector
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can some one help me with this?

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tough vector
weary echo
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Hi, so I got Multi-User editing setup. Whenever I upload a file to the project, the files do not update on my friend’s side.

How do I make it so any changes I do instantly update for him?

weary wasp
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Is there any good source control solution that i can make merge conflict comparisons with blueprint binarys in ue5?

vale basin
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There is a way to integrate a text export and diff within your merge tool, it's been mentioned in this channel before. Search for "-diff"

weary wasp
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Ok thx

maiden hamlet
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What source control should I use for my solo project?

teal bone
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Git+LFS?

maiden hamlet
errant kelp
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is there a way to git diff blueprints and uassets ?

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google results say yes all source control features are available, but I can't find any resource on how to do so

vale basin
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You can within the editor. Otherwise there's a diff commandlet that some people have had success with which does a text export I believe

errant kelp
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well how do I set it up within the editor

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its trying to use p4merge but that's not an option, so which binary of git should I use because I don't think there is a diff specific one

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also what commandlet is that?

long hull
errant kelp
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as I said, its trying to use p4merge which is irrelevant to git

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how do I set it up ?

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for git I mean

long hull
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The diff tool is built-in to UE, it has nothing to do with your source control provider. It works the same for Git, SVN, P4, etc.

errant kelp
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weird, first time it complained about p4merge

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now it just worked

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but when I reverted a blueprint

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it got reverted in the scm but the editor crashed

long hull
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I've never reverted anything in-editor, but I wouldn't be surprised that it could crash. Especially if your asset is dirty, or if there are loaded assets in memory referencing it and its interface changes (e.g., BP reparenting).

errant kelp
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seems diff works on blueprints but not on levels

vale basin
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Yes, it doesn't work on all types of assets. One file per actor does expose some ability to review changes to levels though. I don't know the full extent of that though

errant kelp
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how to do this "one file per actor" ?

urban crystal
merry verge
storm sleet
radiant musk
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How do I mark for add all assets with question mark ? They are all over the folders so can't do it by hand

radiant musk
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would be thankful if I could ask a few simple questions to someone, dont wanna spam here

modest valley
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Is there any updated guides for how to diff a blueprint in UE5? All the google searches and discord searches I've done show UE4 examples - but I cant find that option anywhere in my UE5 editor. Does it exist in UE5, and if so where?

reef oriole
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but you didn't mention what source control you are using

modest valley
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Thanks - I just found it - not sure how I missed it - it was right in front of me this whole time.

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reef oriole
modest valley
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yeah - that was the bit that was confusing - cause I searched the toolbar for ages 🙂

All good - thanks

reef oriole
storm sleet
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would be interesting to know if Unreal can read back changes, like variable values and stuff like that, I somehow doubt it, but hope is there?

reef oriole
storm sleet
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No, as in, like with a normal code diff/merge tool, you could revert parts of the file (some properties, for example) and overwrite others

reef oriole
# storm sleet No, as in, like with a normal code diff/merge tool, you could revert parts of th...

Alas, it doesn't for now. But for sure, being able to diff the local asset from any revision in source control and retrieve & apply any past value using the visual diff viewer would be awesome!
I don't know exactly why it's not possible, I never tried to inspect the code of the diff viewer, but I suspect that it's because it would need to duplicate a lot of code from the Editor into the diff viewer

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I'd argue that, to my knowledge, it is probably the top requested feature for source control in Unreal

merry verge
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It should theoretically be possible - the diff commandlet is using the text export stuff that unreal uses to copy objects to the clipboard (also used for copying blueprint nodes around). Which means it can also parse that data back... but I'd be worried about odd issues.
Also, some asset types would be beyond painful to use this way - anything encoding binary data like textures, landscape components, etc. Quite a few assets I've tried have p4merge warning me that the assets are massive.

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Maybe one day...

storm sleet
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Texture metadata at least... Imagine just using a simple shell script to apply texture groups and mip bias programmatically before starting the build

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Sure, it's possible with blutilities, but still...

reef oriole
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Yes, it would be interesting for all the Editor metadata

bright wraith
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Are there any multi member projects that are developing without version control? Just curious how that works out. Or is version control vital to a successful project.

reef oriole
# bright wraith Are there any multi member projects that are developing without version control?...

Technically, you need a way to share files across the network:

  • A shared drive like Dropbox/Google Drive cannot work reliably since the assets are locked by the Editor when you open it, so it would fail the synchronization if someone else modifies the same file
  • You could exchange some Blueprints & other assets by using the "Migrate" tool or just trying to copy/past to an external hardware, I guaranty it would be a nightmare
    Short answer; you need source control instead of trying to reinvent the wheel and do it yourself with "'similar'" simpler tool
bright wraith
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I completely agree, but setting up a source control server could also be tough for a small team who don't have an it or devops specialist.

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Version control serves multiple purposes.
file lock
file history
file contributer/owner
file distribution
...
The benefits are clear

reef oriole
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Yes; I have been in a startup and gave advice to a coworker starting an even smaller one;
My advice is, if you have the technical knowledge and the willingness, do install your own server
If you don't, please use one of the cloud solution out there; they get expensive for medium size projects & teams though

bright wraith
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right. I once tried setting up a perforce server on AWS and never got to use it. First month bill was $35 and next was $180. 😱
I ended up setting up a local server on a Synology using Docker. Some upfront costs but at least there are no surprises.

reef oriole
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We installed our own Perforce server, but licenses where something like 500$/person for the first year IIRC (I didn't manage this part of the IT)

bright wraith
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But even this setup has some issues when submitting a lot of files (thousands of files). Perforce just stalls. Never been able to solve that one but it seems that it runs out of ram? not sure

reef oriole
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Ok, so I this answers it more or less, you should give a look at cloud solutions (Perforce, Subversion or Plastic SCM imo Github LFS is too much of a pain & price, but some team here use it with success)

bright wraith
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So what are your recommendations for a small team that needs to find someone to setup and manage a p4 server on the cloud? Is there a good way to find someone like that?

reef oriole
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I don't know, I certainly wouldn't be able to find the time for that. Actually, I adviced you to look for an ready made cloud, like my friend/coworker

bright wraith
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Thanks for the advice. Cheers!

reef oriole
storm sleet
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SRombauts, can I tell you a joke? We're a quite small team with 10-15 people (want to grow), currently using plastic cloud. We have no IT or devops guy, and we don't get one. We are basically three programmers and the project is ... well, let's say it's mid-sized.

Isn't it funny?

reef oriole
storm sleet
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The team is nice, just the designers need much learning and testing and some business decisions are "questionable"

tepid dove
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Hello. We have setup P4 (Helix Core) in our Team and have multiple projects which share Modules in the form of Plugins. Currently still using 4.27 while we wait for 5.1.
We prepared the Workspace Views with the "& \\Plugins\... \\ProjectName\Plugins\..." And that works fine. So we have a 1 to many mapping.
However if I try to edit the Assets of said Plugins inside of the Project folders Unreal is unable to checkout the files. Also the log doesn't give too much insights on that matter. Just says 'Unable to Check Out From Source Control!'
Any ideas? Is this a known issue?

tepid dove
dense lance
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Where has the "New Branch" button gone to on GitHub?

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Their own tutorial seems depracted:

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bright wraith
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I wonder if the unreal.SourceControl api is simple due to the fact that it has to work with all supported source control systems.

reef oriole
ashen plaza
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How hard is it to learn git? Is it literally just a bunch of commands

reef oriole
# ashen plaza How hard is it to learn git? Is it literally just a bunch of commands

I'd say that you should know what you want to do with it: if you can find the proper GUI tool for your work, it can be very easy and efficient.
I have used SmartGit for more than 10 years now, but Github Desktop can be very simple to start with if you use Github to host your code
Then if you use Unreal Engine you can try to use mostly the Editor to work locally, and then the GUI to verify your work and push it / sync the changes from other people on your team if any

runic summit
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how do I restrict a user so they can't read/write on a particular depot?

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limpid obsidian
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@runic summit set 'no access' to the depot path in the permissions table

limpid obsidian
limpid obsidian
runic summit
limpid obsidian
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the permissions table is the little excel looking spreadsheet below the screenshot you posted

reef oriole
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Nice, the release of UE5.1 Preview 1 (https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/unreal-engine-5-1-preview/662523) comes with the very first update of the Plastic SCM plugin, v1.6.2 with support for the new Changelists UI (https://github.com/PlasticSCM/UEPlasticPlugin/releases/latest) 🙂
The first and only version that was integrated before was v1.4.6 in UE4.24 nearly 3 years ago!

Unreal Engine Forums
Unreal Engine 5.1 Preview

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GitHub
Release 1.6.2 · PlasticSCM/UEPlasticPlugin

1.6.2 release with more bugfixes and polish for Changelists and upcoming UE 5.1
This version has been accepted upstream (as PR #9414 on Github) and integrated by Epic Games into ue5-main for upcomi...

storm sleet
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Is there any plan at epic to update it regularly?

reef oriole
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They are ready to accept any Pull Request I submit to the plugin, so yes it will be updated regularly for the foreseeing future
But it's not really about Epic Games; the plugin didn't receive much love for over 2 years, only a few bugfixes that I never proposed upstream.
Now it received major enhancements, and some more should be on their way sooner or later (after which we can expect it to slow down)

storm sleet
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huh, ok 😄 Sounds great. Btw I released my first plugin yesterday (github only), I can imagine some people will like it, at some point I might consider making a pull request for it, too

orchid basalt
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Saved/
Intermediate/
DerivedDataCache/
*.pdb
obj/
*.vcxproj
*.sln
-Debug.
FileOpenOrder/
this correcto?

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because the server still wants saved and intermediate

woven sluice
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The ignore file is used to determine if new files should be added. It is not used to delete any existing files. Commit the deletion of those files manually.

solid smelt
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Hey everyone, hope all is well. I am working with P4 and UE5 and trying to figure out streams. How do some of you all utilize streams? To give a plain example our team would like to have a way of merging in updates. So if we have a MAIN workspace that includes the custom development with a GAME ENGINE stream that would contain the latest version of UE5. What would be the best workflow using streams to "merge in/copy up" (<-- this is where my confusion lies) the GAME ENGINE to the MAIN stream, while also allowing for custom development to be merged into the MAIN as well from separate streams (these streams only contain modified C++ code)

TLDR: How TF do you do P4 streams to enable development workflow and engine updates?

hushed granite
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In Unreal I cannot connect source control, it won't find my workspace. I'm on Linux btw if that may help. If you have any idea... 😉

native sentinel
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Hiya is anyone able to help me quickly with Github Source Control? New to it can some who can guide me through an issue for 5 minutes in #vc-feedback-support

limpid obsidian
solid smelt
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@limpid obsidian Ahh I see, so if a team wanted to upgrade the engine, it should be one time towards end of development?

leaden musk
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So, I had an issue in perforce where.

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I checked the size of disks but there is a volume with 100 gb I added to digital ocean that isn't being used.

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I have tried making symbolic links but it says there is already a link.

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I'm a bit lost right now, does anybody know a solution?

limpid obsidian
solid smelt
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@limpid obsidian Right on, thats helpful info!

cyan jay
coral flare
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does anyone know how to speed up azure and source tree? my push was bad and i have to reclone 😦

hushed granite
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Hey so I'm back with my issue where I cannot connect Source Control in Unreal Editor because it cannot find my Workspace even thought I made no mistake with server and username. I only have this problem on a computer on Linux (all others work fine an connects instantly), it stopped working one day and I did nothing special. I see there's a SouceControlSettings.ini file in Saved/Config/LinuxEditor.
Maybe I can try to input my Workspace path manually here ? What format would that be ? thanks

vale basin
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turn that off

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right click and edit your workspace

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go to advanced tab

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and clear out the "host" text box

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but again, don't do this if you are going to be using the workspace on 2 different pc's

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just create a new workspace

dreamy spade
vale basin
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Still then check that the hostname hasn't changed for whatever reason

dreamy spade
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I checked 100 times

vale basin
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That's all I can think would make a workspace disappear

dreamy spade
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Working on 3 other computers

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Workspace appears on p4v but in Unreal it won't find my workspace. I'm using Archlinux

vale basin
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Is your Linux username different to your p4 username?

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I know you are signed in with p4v, but if they are different it can cause this too actually. Try setting p4user environment variable

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@dreamy spade ^

hushed granite
hushed granite
jaunty hornet
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I moved my P4 workspace, how do I change the path without logging in to P4?

north coral
# coral flare

Personally recommend steering clear of git when it comes to unreal

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In my experience git just cannot handle the large files, even with lfs, if you're storing in the cloud

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Personally I like svn for small projects, not perfect either but at least it's really easy to set up and doesn't have those constant issues

hushed granite
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Maybe I have set them up well. Do you also have a different username on linux and Perforce ? Curious about how you could set that up.

vale basin
hushed granite
vale basin
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Then i'm out of ideas, sorry mate

hushed granite
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thanks for trying out. I think I may try out with PlasticSCM

twin gust
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Is there any way to execute a shell script after completing a get revision action in P4V?

vale basin
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Ohhhh after a get? Maybe, I don't know

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I think p4 triggers are server side

cyan jay
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not possible afaik, other than making your own script that calls p4, or uses p4 api directly

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you could also setup a P4V Custom Tool to do the sync, check the result, run whatever cmds u wanted

bold perch
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[Perforce]
I made a copy of the depot at the office and put it my home computer, pointed P4 and P4V to this local copy, and ran p4 flush and p4 clean. p4 flush says all files are up to date and p4 clean says there are no files to reconcile, but P4V says there are no files in my workspace and when I do Get Latest tries to download the whole depot. What have I missed?

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These are the tooltip and context menu I get for a file that I have on disk.

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Strangely enough, a handful of files are updated in P4V.

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urban crystal
bold perch
reef oriole
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Did you see on ue5-main https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/commit/aaf00cdf0497f470d703cdb10a873d68fb20ad47 Horde: Add simple VCS prototype using Horde storage library.

  • Core data model is Git-like, with a merkle tree of commits and filesystem objects, but usage is designed around having a centralized, shared repository used by everyone.
  • Commits are numbered to allow ordering for versioning (and potentially - in the future - allow the possibility of commit rewriting and per-user permissions for paths without relying on a universally shared hash to identify each change).
  • Multiple branches are supported, but commit history in each is linear and does not currently contain any annotations for merges. (Thinking that merges are probably best implemented as weak references, to prevent sprawling history and to allow coarse grained security along branch boundaries.)
  • File data is chunked by slicing along boundaries defined by a rolling hash, to more easily support large binaries. Chunks are hashed for deduplication using IoHash and packed together into bundles of a bounded size.
  • Supports the normal array of storage backends (filesystem, HTTP, etc...) as IStorageClient, thus supporting use against a centralized server or local directory. Data can be pulled directly from the storage backend rather than requiring a full copy locally.
  • Added horde.bat batch file to run HordeAgent, to allow using from command line as "horde vcs init" etc...

A small subset of commands are currently supported:

  • horde vcs init (Initialize a repository in the current directory)
  • horde vcs commit -message="..." (Commit the current directory state to the repository)
  • horde vcs status (Show the current repository status)
  • horde vcs checkout -change=N [-clean] [-force] (Checkout the repository at the given change number).
  • horde vcs branch -name=XYZ (Create a new, empty branch. Leaves the current working directory intact.)
  • horde vcs log (Shows the history of commits)
woven sluice
bold perch
woven sluice
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Ah

bold perch
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The weird thing is, the Explorer extension correctly detects file status. So it's just P4V that's being weird.

vale basin
reef oriole
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We can expect that at some point Epic Games would want to release a custom fully integrated cloud source control solution, probably free for small team/small project
Tailored to actual needs just for/around Unreal

vale basin
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Yeah it wouldn’t surprise me

vale basin
reef oriole
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How long for adoption? I think Unity got some traction with their Collaborate solution, easy and integrated by default
so a couple of years perhaps?

vale basin
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Let’s face it, the first use of source control is a bit of a brick wall for people unfortunately. There’s the workflow challenges, but then often there’s the system admin and technical barrier first

reef oriole
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Yes exactly!
And no existing source control is perfectly tailored to game dev and use with an Editor for small/medium team; they can all do much more but ends up less focused on actual game dev (Perforce would be the closest to that obv)
They would also need a cloud service imo

vale basin
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Streamed assets…. 5.1 has that virtual assets. That’s actually a really exciting idea

reef oriole
# vale basin Streamed assets…. 5.1 has that virtual assets. That’s actually a really exciting...

Yes, Plastic SCM has this virtual/dynamic workspace concept
https://blog.plasticscm.com/2021/07/dynamic-workspaces-alpha-for-windows.html
I discussed with one studio that tested it with Unreal when it came out but obv it was not fully stable
It's still in some active development, supporting more features like symbolic links on all platforms etc

Dynamic Workspaces (alpha) for Windows: A new way to interact with ...

Enjoy plasticfs or how you can interact with Plastic by using Dynamic Workspaces.

vale basin
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Cool. Does that work like the smart files in Dropbox, list all files, but just block io while it fetches files that haven’t been fetched yet?

reef oriole
waxen spade
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Is there a solution to this on linux ? I also have the engine complaining about SSL. p4 works fine when used through p4v. but source control in the editor doesn't work.

umbral arch
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I haven't found one. I work on all three OS and that's the only one messing with that

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I haven't tried another linux distro

waxen spade
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gotcha, thanks for the response. I was testing just vanilla debian.

umbral arch
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So what I do on linux is manually checkout files, but that's quickly painfull

coral flare
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If anyone ever has an issue with pushing LFS to azure with source tree. type these commands in your console. git lfs install``````git config http.version HTTP/1.1``````git config lfs.activitytimeout 120``````git config lfs.dialtimeout 120

vale basin
teal bone
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I'm a big fan of reconcile!

vale basin
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I run it regularly regardless. Always good to check nothing was missed

floral owl
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Where are the world partition HLODs stored, I wanted to mark them for LFS

winter parcel
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hi! exact your case, dont got how do you fix it. could you please explain a bit?

faint cairn
iron bronze
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Type this using the terminal

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Ofc change the paths to yours

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After that you can restart the server

limpid obsidian
hot moat
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Does anyone know how to view shelved changelists/items in PlasticSCM's new GUI?

rotund canopy
#

I've been stuck on what I assume is a Perforce-related problem, for a week.
I'm attempting to put the compiled UE5 source in source control. However, after populating the depot, when trying to start GenerateProjectFiles.bat, I'm greeted by this MSB4018 error talking of access denied to a certain path, and subsequent errors. Could my environment/PATH variables be the culprit? Running on Windows 10, UE 5.03.

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leaden musk
# cyan jay I'd suggest moving your server p4 root files to the new volume, then junctioning...

So, I've been searching on and off for a bit but using the Digital ocean droplet console I can't seem to find the p4 root files. I must state that I don't know what the root files should look like on a linux machine also so I'm sort of looking blindly but that said, can anyone direct me to a video on how to do this copy paste or moving of files? I haven't found anything on perforce/google/youtube that is working for me and I assume I'm just missing something...

daring willow
#

hi guys, is possible connect SVN with Azure Devops?

merry verge
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no

silver token
limber merlin
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Perforce Question: Does everyone need to rebuild from source if I start implementing c++

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the project started as only Blueprints

vale basin
limber merlin
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i have been looking at UGS PCB

vale basin
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but even without UGS, you can just check in binaries and artists can grab those

limber merlin
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so it will work if I just add Binaries?

vale basin
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Should do

storm sleet
honest halo
#

We've recently started using Perforce at work. One issue we're having is the Editor (5.0.3) hangs when we try to close it. This happens with any separate window in editor (eg. opening a texture to edit its properties). Has anyone else encountered this?

It now takes a good 30-40 seconds for the Editor to close.

hot moat
storm sleet
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I even tried adjusting the query in the changesets tab, but it doesn't let me remove the "changesets" in the query

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well, wait: I found it

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Pending changes > Show shelves

honest halo
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It seems like there's something locking up Unreal since we integrated Perforce

rotund canopy
silver token
# rotund canopy This seems like a reasonable explanation, thanks. I do find it difficult, if not...

I've had ups and downs with it in my home project. I wish there was a github download option that could actually just download everything that should be in source control instead of that silly Setup.bat file. I had a lot of similar problems to you with my Early Access source build, I think because I waited too long before adding things to source control. I think I've had better success with 5.0.3 where I did:
download zip, unzip, add all that to source control. run setup.bat. run generateprojectfiles. build engine. Add content directory to perforce. It's possible I'm missing somethings that should be in source control but it's tough to say and I could always run Setup.bat again to download them.

rotund canopy
silver token
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I don't do anything special with my workspace mapping. It just maps the whole depot to a directory on my drive. I'm not sure about the typemap, probably just one addition for uasset to make them exclusive checkout (which doesn't really matter a whole lot for solo development). Other than that I point my IDE at the .gitignore file that comes with the engine source (which is also weird but seems to work fine).

rotund canopy
silver token
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Sorry, I don't know that I'll be a whole lot of help. I think there's a lot of different ways to setup perforce and I'm no p4 guru. I get by better than most, but am no expert. Personally I don't bother with "-//" mappings because I don't tend to do the mass adds or reconciles that require it. I only use it to filter out syncing stuff from perforce, not preventing it from being added. For me, if the pdb is in perforce, I should probably sync it since it's also probably an exe that is pre-built. Otherwise it just shouldn't be getting added in the first place (which should be the job of the p4ignore or gitignore file).
I would say that the typemap seems like it's missing .uasset so that those are imported as binary (and lockable).

limpid obsidian
rotund canopy
limpid obsidian
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*.umap is like any other Unreal asset in version control. you'll want to save an entire history of it

rotund canopy
rotund canopy
limpid obsidian
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changes to the typemap are not retro-active. for any existing files, you'll have to change the file type

rotund canopy
pulsar parcel
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old fashioned depot?

honest scroll
#

I'm getting an infuriating problem with perforce and I've never been able to work around it. it occurs on multiple PCs and accounts that I didn't set up.

if I delete a file in unreal that already exists in the perforce repo, when I go to submit the changes in p4v the file is in the commit as "marked for deletion" but when I submit it says it can't find the file to write it and the submit fails. No shit, I deleted it. how do I fix this?

alternately, I can't connect to source control in UE because i have a Maori keyboard layout in my list and it's treating my client as unicode. the server is not unicode. it sounds like we can't change that either because if it works for me, it won't work for anyone else.

rough coral
#

So I've only experienced projects either fully supported by Git or by Perforce. Does someone have experience where the assets are in P4 and the code is in Git?

vale basin
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Sounds like it just becomes a manual process of managing 2 repos, which sounds painful

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I'd love to know how people solve it at scale. Genuinely. It's an interesting problem

zealous lance
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you guys use git lfs at all?

opal oar
#

quick question since i never tried this in github before, lets say i made code changes in the same classes but in different branches (they were branched off at the same time). which means both classes are now different. When i merge both of these classes into the main branch, will the code be overriden by the other branch or is github smart enough to correctly merge and implement the new lines without conflicting with both changes?

opal oar
vale basin
orchid basalt
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helixcore is just making issues for me all the time.. now i cant even login anymore and also cant login into my azure vm. T___T

why cant source control be easy!!??

limpid obsidian
orchid basalt
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already did taht

limpid obsidian
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ssh into the box and make sure the service is running

orchid basalt
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box?

limpid obsidian
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your instance. computer.

orchid basalt
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my ssh text is already done

limpid obsidian
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are you running linux or windows on azure?

orchid basalt
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linux

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would windows be a lot easier?

limpid obsidian
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no...i can't imagine running server-side stuff with windows

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but some ppl like it

orchid basalt
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what i dont understand why cant i have a OS on azure? why is everything via console?

limpid obsidian
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you can if you setup gnome (or equivalent) and RDP into it

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but for server-side stuff the console is great

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shell into a box and get your work done

orchid basalt
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yeah if helix core would have done a easier tutorial and not so "recommended for server people only"

limpid obsidian
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helix core is the marketing term for a host of services, including perforce. i just use p4d

merry verge
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helix core is very specifically p4d/p4/related tools

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helix is a bunch of different things

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and no one calls it that, most call it perforce because screw their weird naming

orchid basalt
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yeah i mean perforce

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i hate their doc.

merry verge
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anyway, any time you're hosting something on you're own you should expect to deal with "recommended for server people only" docs. Hosting something critical to a project like version control really isn't for the faint of heart.

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There's a reason hosting services like github exist and are so popular. Blame perforce for not having a reasonable hosting service, but the docs are actually somewhat decent for "server people"

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If you're not used to hosting services like this and aren't interested in learning, I would definitely recommend using something else.

orchid basalt
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i tried github. but i wasnt able to isntall lfs

merry verge
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frankly, figuring out lfs is a lot easier than learning how to administrate a linux server and p4d correctly.

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even if I don't particularly like lfs, perforce really isn't a great option for those inexperienced with server administration (unless you have the $ to pay for assembla)

limpid obsidian
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never used assembla. looks pricey

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but i imagine it's easy to get up and running

merry verge
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I've never used it myself and have no opinion on it, aside from it costing a decent amount of $ and being literally the only perforce hosting service.

limpid obsidian
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even basic hosting on AWS will probably run you several hundred a month. storage tends to be the most costly. I hear Digital Ocean is slightly cheaper

merry verge
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Hosting a basic perforce server shouldn't cost that much unless you're with a decently large team and the server actually needs those resources.

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I run a server on a Linode 2GB plan, $10 a month + some extra for block storage (and a separate service for backups). Probably costs me $30/month.
p4d likes to eat resources, but as long as you can deal with the occasional slow transfer and don't have many people using the server it's perfectly usable.

limpid obsidian
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not too bad

orchid basalt
ornate willow
orchid basalt
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i need version sharing

ornate willow
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in a few minutes you can have a project up and ready on source control for others to download and collaborate also

orchid basalt
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sounds literally like perforce

ornate willow
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its a free option with unlimited storage, multiple users can collaborate. you asked why no OS, there is your OS option

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can manage from web too

orchid basalt
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adn with sourcetree i connect to the git on linux vm?

ornate willow
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no vm. you go to dev.azure.com and make a new project and initialize a git repo. that git repo is now hosted on azure. you use source tree on your windows machine to enable git lfs (big files) and upload your project to the git repo where everyone can download it and commit changes

orchid basalt
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no negative points about that?

ornate willow
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there are lots of negative points about all the options. this one is the quickest, easiest and freest in my opinion

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unlimited storage for 5 people, and after that you only pay $6 per extra user over 5 per month and still get unlimited storage

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integrating git in unreal is not a good idea right now so you just use sourcetree to commit your changes outside of unreal. perforce integration is better but many still use console or p4v to do it outside th eeditor

orchid basalt
honest scroll
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is there a way to get the last commit message in source control as a column in the column view?

vale basin
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which source control? editor integration? p4v?

ancient fractal
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P4V does feels like a remnant of Clearcase/ClearQuest. Anyway, I am here to investigate on what's a reliable version control so that, what is working will be forever working if I revert to that version. And then, I can easily branch out creating new changes without fear

knotty sable
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i have a symlink on my depots but idk how to test if it works

unknown.png
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i thought it would show up on the p4v client diskspace but it doesnt, anyway to test this?

reef verge
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Hi, does anyone know why there isn't an option to submit/revert files in UnrealGameSync? Shouldn't it be a P4V replacement for artists?

teal bone
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UGS is more about syncing everyone to the same build

reef verge
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But it's also related to game projects right? Not only for editor stuff

storm sleet
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Afaik it's more for distributing the editor and game binaries to your team, but not for content and not working on source code for editor and project

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But I have no idea besides what's in the official docs

reef verge
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Ok thx

small geyser
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As a small dev can anyone recommend good version control server hosting? I'm thinking of using perforce - it looks like AWS / Google / Azure are my options from their website. Just curious people's thoughts on version control and server data hosting for projects

vale basin
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Cloud gets expensive FAST, especially those ones that separate out compute and storage costs. You can reduce cost by getting reserved capacity, or going with a company that offers better VPS deals. OVH and Linode i'm pretty sure do decent VPSs

small geyser
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Yeah that's what I'm worried about. I really want a good way to have a backup of projects so if something happens like a fire or something I have a backup elsewhere

vale basin
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backblaze is pretty good for offsite storage i hear

small geyser
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lol the only other thing I can think of is to get a hard drive and back it up every 2 weeks and keep it off site somewhere safe

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but that's such a hassle

vale basin
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lots of options to explore. I'd look at a VPS like OVH first if you really need compute. Otherwise, looking at just something like backblaze for storage may be enough for you

vale basin
small geyser
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Hmmm that might work

woven sluice
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if you're never planning to have teammates: local perforce server and weekly offsite backups of the full server. if you have teammates: vps with remote perforce server. if your version control history is important to you (i.e. if you're in late stage dev) then still do weekly offsite backups of the perforce server itself regardless of where it lives. (bonus round - if you are reading this and you hate perforce: don't use perforce)

small geyser
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I like perforce from projects i've used it on. It takes a little to get used to but its a life saver.

teal bone
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Projects you've used it on in the future? 😛

teal bone
small geyser
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Shh, don't give away the fact i'm a time traveler!
Also, oh there is farr worse I used to do IT and the document management software most places use for office related things. Hooo boy.

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1 step forward 3 steps back

teal bone
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Lol

true heath
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Is it possible to set certain project settings to be updated in Git, but others not? Specifically, I was thinking about Virtual Shadow Maps. One of our artists loves to see their work with it enabled, but in our current builds I'm disabling it.

This is just an example, but I guess my question is - Because they are stored (as far as I'm aware) inside the same ini as other more project-specific settings (Virtual Textures/Ray Tracing/etc.) we can't set them to gitignore because then if we change those important settings the project will essentially break when trying to load for the other person.

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One File Per Setting ™️ ?

vale basin
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Is it just a matter of wanting to hide it from their change list?

true heath
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Yeah, it's not that big of a deal (I just end up having to change it back, in this particular VSM example) before I build, but I would be worried about accidental commits if it were a more integral setting (Like Ray Tracing, or something that causes shader recompiling on restart, for example)

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I'm not the biggest source control expert myself, so while I've guided some of the team on best practices, I've not been wholly successful in making them comfortable using it, so accidents are likely if we go the route of selective commiting

quaint obsidian
true heath
mighty light
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does p4 have a way for me to completely clean my workspace and remove all files that arent in the depot and re-get the latest copies of everything?

vale basin
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Delete locally outside of p4v, in p4v get latest but check the force option

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Or reconcile, but that won't clear what's in your p4 ignore

true heath
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Okay, so I'm going to bite the bullet and move away from git. We're starting to get some real issues with file size, etc. (All very common with projects like UE on git, I know).

Going to go the Digital Ocean route. The thing that really worries me is storage capacity. We're at about 200GB for the full project. My concern is that surely the versioning of each of these files would mean that the capacity we need greatly exceeds the total project size that we see on disk? Is there a decent way to know what excess we should account for (simply for versioning, not even talking about the continued project growth)

true heath
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Also, has anyone messed around with Plastic? Seems it was bought up by Unity since I last heard about it. Wondering if it's a little more game team friendly.

vale basin
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No experience personally, but it's apparently in decent order. Srombauts (I won't tag them unnecessarily) works for them and is working on the Unreal Integration, which is apparently improved in the 5.1 release

true heath
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Good to know, thank you!

I have to admit I hate the fact that the self-hosted option is more expensive. $23 per user! Crazy really, considering they basically are hands off on the hosting

vale basin
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With anything cloud, self hosting often LOOKS more expensive at first glance. But when you factor in growth in storage and computer, it crosses a threshhold pretty quick where that inverts. Anywhere from 6-18 months

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for instance, cloud edition at $7 a user only includes 5gb storage

true heath
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That's true, though we'd still end up paying someone else for the benefit of hosting the data too 😅. I guess if it was a local network/NAS setup it would make more sense

vale basin
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I can't actually find their storage pricing

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The price is $5/month per team for 5-25GB, then $5/month extra per team for every additional 25GB bucket

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found it

true heath
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I think it's $7 per 50GB

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Oh

vale basin
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pretty reasonable actually. But still for larger projects it'll cross over at some point

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and the larger projects, that $23 will be a drop in the bucket

true heath
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If I was more confident about my network I might consider buying a box at this point, but yeah it feels like there isn't really a perfect answer for a remote team of 10ish people but large project file size

vale basin
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Yeah. You either pay by using a hosted service which costs more, or you pay in your own time and equipment, or hiring a sysadmin.

true heath
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I can't find any decent numbers for Perforce per user either. Seems they want me to email for a quote 🙄.

How is Subversion these days?

vale basin
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I gotta say though, for team of 10, if your project was 100-150gb, that cloud edition pricing is actually pretty attractive

vale basin
true heath
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Yeah, for the time being I think the cloud solution is the best, and all costs are in one place too which I'd prefer for the books. I would guess we'll have a similar dilemma in about 6 months if the project grows in size considerably

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Wow, that's ridiculous 🤣

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(If true, won't hold you to it of course haha)

vale basin
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is it? people pay more for maya, adobe suite, hell, even windows

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i dunno, once you run the books of running a company, figures expensive to a single user aren't so expensive for a company

limpid obsidian
true heath
# vale basin is it? people pay more for maya, adobe suite, hell, even windows

We're using Blender, Adobe is about $60 per person for us, and everyone is working on their own device, so it'd certainly be the biggest expense we have. Certainly for a company with an income it'd be viable, but as a startup we're running on fumes pretty much. Sad really, but that's the nature of it. If we're removing Github ($60 a month currently) it works out about the same, on the cloud, so it should be okay for the time being.

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Anyway, appreciate being able to bounce ideas off of you here briefly, I think you're right about the cloud offering, and I've heard good things about Plastic too

vale basin
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isn't that adobe cost $60 per MONTH?

limpid obsidian
true heath
vale basin
limpid obsidian
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if you order 10, you can ask for 1 free license. there's room to negotiate

true heath
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Yeah, I worked at a large place before this and I can imagine p4 wasn't even a footnote on the balance sheet haha

limpid obsidian
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if you like i can put you in contact with the guy i deal with @true heath

vale basin
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Also consider the acceleration factor. if you'd be 1-2 hours a slower a month per user, it actually costs the company more to not have it

true heath
vale basin
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yeah the plastic pricing seems pretty attractive tbh

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for a startup considering alternatives anyway

true heath
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Woe is me, indie devving on my life savings 😅. What I'd give for a software budget

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Anyway, thanks both. I'll check out Plastic tomorrow and try the free thing first with a demo project. If things go pear-shaped I'll look into Perforce again, but that price is a tricky one

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Worst case is SVN, but I hate it with a passion.

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(Or stay with Git I suppose)

limpid obsidian
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remember: open source is free, if your time is worth nothing 😉

true heath
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So true

ornate willow
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If your using git already why not switch the repo to a free unlimited storage azure git repo? first 5 people are free, after 5 its $6 per person per month, so 10 people is $30 per month with unlimited storage. Then you don't have to deal with the bandwidth limitations and such of github eating through your monthly plan. Warning though that there is a 2gb per push limitation, but you can break them up and push unlimitedly, but getting a big project up initially will be a hassle.

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Also a trick with any adobe sub is that you can go to cancel the subscription, get all the way to the very last button before you cancel, right next to the prompt there will be an offer either your next month free, or your next 3 months 50% off or something like that. Works every few months, would save some bucks over a few subscriptions\

reef verge
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Which charset do you guys use with Perforce?

vivid grotto
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Hi All, Maybe this is not the right channel for this question so I do apologize if that is the case, but I am playing with an idea about having a VR world with in-world editing. Maybe something like the Unreal UE5 editor but that it would not compile and source code and just be able to load maps and levels within a world to allow users to modify and add assets from within the 3D space. I am trying to get licensing limitations on the current UE5 release WRT this idea. Any thoughts on this?

teal bone
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Definitely not the place, but I will tell you, you aren't allowed to publish any of the Editor-only code.

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You could release a VR world building plugin for the editor. If it's for a game, you will have to remake the entire editor interface for yourself. And any additional editor-only systems which go along with it.

vivid grotto
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@teal bone Thanks for your reply on this and I will have to research things a lot more it seems. Yea, I was actually thinking about a complete new editor interface as I would not use the existing one in its current state but mainly the type of map/level editing functionality (non-compiling) from inside an existing world. Still much to think about on this idea though.

teal bone
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That being said, creating a world builder in VR is not all that hard.

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Depending on the level of complexity you want.

teal wedge
quaint obsidian
true heath
quaint obsidian
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then what's hanging on pull?

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like which step of the process, what progress indicator is stalling?

high prairie
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There's a lot of discussion here and I would recommend for small devs wanting to save money to get an extra SSD or nvme and setup a machine with nextcloud open source self host for your team. You can also host your own gitlab and hook these together for version control. In house we killed LFS and replaced it with rclone to access our storage and write some scripts using githooks so it works with normal git cli commit structures

limpid mason
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If virtual assets can be made to work without Git in 5.1 it will solve most peoples problems with LFS. It wont work to start, because Epic really only cares about Perforce, but hopefully in time.

merry verge
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Virtual assets only support a few specific asset types (for now) and don't solve locking afaik, so it's not really a solution for most of the problems people have here.

limpid obsidian
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@teal wedge a checkout in p4 changes the file from read-only to writeable. that message says the file is already writable (possible local change) and therefore not checked out

teal wedge
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So that’s probably messing things up

half vortex
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Hey guys 🙂 I was just wondering how you deal with big projects with your team. We are using gitlab now, but mostly environment artist bump in to a problem with big packs, materials, props etc. We are using free version of gitlab and will definitely run out of space soon. Payed gitlab is to expensive for us as of now. Is there any alternatives to that? 🙂

vale basin
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Self host community edition of gitlab

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Or I hear azure DevOps supports lfs free. But I can't imagine that loophole will last forever

half vortex
mighty light
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this is unhelpful af ```
p4 submit --parallel=0 -f submitunchanged -i
1 error reported
File(s) couldn't be locked.
Submit failed -- fix problems above then use 'p4 submit -c 121'.

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the files checked out fine

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nevermind. we recently had a host and user migration and i didnt update my config. also running it from the commandline gives me the files which are actually locked by other users

radiant musk
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I click mark for add in a folder in perforce, but in the content browser the assets still have a question mark.. why is that ?

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even if I manually click mark for add on them

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they still have a question mark

opal oar
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@rotund bobcat youre right better topic related here. Last time i tried it, the binaries were too big to be uploaded to github

teal bone
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Use LFS?

bitter sun
#

quick question:
I was not able to connect my P4 server for a while so I had to work offline, and copied my local files to another folder and updated my engine version to 5.1 preview
is all I have to do is create a new workspace and select root folder as 5.1 project and push changes to continue from where I left?

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considering I want to keep files of 5.0 on other folder

bold perch
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Once you've pointed P4 to that folder.

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I unthinkingly removed my .git folder when moving my source build, does anyone know if with this sequence of commands Git will skip the files from the repo I already have?

git init
git remote add origin https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine.git
git pull origin release
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Not sure whether to use that or

git init
git remote add origin <url>
git fetch
git reset origin/master
bold perch
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Okay so, the second option with git reset --hard origin release worked just fine.

limpid obsidian
serene flax
#

I have git repo A and git repo B
I add B into A as a git submodule, so if I make updates to repo B I can update them into A

But can I make changes to B directly inside A and commit them to the origin? or must I always work directly on the repo B to make changes to it

ornate willow
serene flax
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Ooh cool
I intend to use the submodules for sharing Plugins across multiple projects, but given these repos wouldn't have an unreal project inside them it would be a pain to alter them since they wouldn't recognize any engine files
Glad to know I can change them in any project and send the changes up

reef mesa
crystal estuary
#

A single file was deleted in a submitted changelist (a few revisions ago). Is there a way to retrieve just this one file without reverting all changes made in that changelist? And if yes, how? 🙂

unknown.png
vale basin
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Go to the file in depot tree view (it's still visible there, but not in workspace tree view), click it. On the right look at history tab, find the revision before the delete revision, and right click, get

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@crystal estuary

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There MAY be an option under view menu at the top to show deleted files, but I think it's on by default

sharp snow
ornate willow
sharp snow
plush garnet
#

Hey
i was wondering why after cloning project from Github by my colleague, he's not able to compile and open it!
FYI, The project is blueprint Based and i forced to create a c++ class to my project because i couldn't package it. so, created a C++ class then it solved! but i didn't push the class to Git

i'm working with 4.27.2

The error is Project could not be compiled try rebuilding it from source!
i told him to generate a visual studio project file then build from there. he did this but still same error.
any help would be appreciated

Compile_Error.jpeg
vale basin
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Find the log in project/saved/logs and read that

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Or get the error from visual studio

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That error message is a catchall, there will be a more detailed one either in vs or the log, or both

bold perch
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How can he build from source if he doesn't have at least one C++ class for GenerateProjectFiles.bat to find the project with?

vale basin
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Lol I missed that detail

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Good point

bitter sun
#

in P4Admin is there any way to set password of an user that has no password at all?

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i type empty password to "enter old password" area but it doesnt accept

vale basin
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Uhh that doesn't sound right. If you login with an admin account to p4 admin you should be able to set/reset other user passwords without knowing it

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I would imagine the only exception is your own (admin) account

urban crystal
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yes I concur: you can overwrite passwords using P4Admin without providing the previous one

hollow pike
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Fun bug: If you rename an asset, then decide you liked the old name better and right click > source control > revert the asset in source control, it just disappears.

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I think what's happening is UE naively tries to immediately restore the original file, which then conflicts with its own up redirector, and UE has no error handling so it just throws it on the floor.

reef oriole
faint cairn
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@muted gulch Go to .p4qt in your PC, usually in your User's folder. Open ApplicationSettings.xml. There should be an entry called:

<StringList varName="RecentConnections">
  <String>someconnection:1666, Cedric, Cedric_Office</String>
</StringList>
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You can probably clear that and restart p4

muted gulch
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Wheeey that's the one. Finally 😄

bitter sun
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I get more confused each day when I continue discovering P4 features 😔

Can we have multiple workspaces point to same depot?

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Seems like its creating a new depot for each workspace

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Btw is there any "perforce tutorial for idiots" around web? I couldnt find much except what Perforce website provides

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I keep bouncing between #source-control and stackoverflow for dumb questions since a week

hollow pike
reef oriole
# hollow pike PlasticSCM is the one I'm using actually! Let me hit you with a version dump jus...

Oh no, I am sorry but this version is deeply outdated (there is a much more recent one in Unreal 5.1)
There is a much improved version you can grab for UE5.0, have a quick read at https://forum.plasticscm.com/topic/23605-plastic-scm-plugin-162-release-merged-for-upcoming-unreal-engine-51/

Plastic SCM Community
Plastic SCM plugin 1.6.2 release merged for upcoming Unreal Engine 5.1

We have released a new version 1.6.2 of the Plastic SCM plugin with more polish for Unreal Engine 5 Changelists UI/UX Quite importantly, its PR has been accepted and integrated into ue5-main for the upcoming UE5.1 release! Cheers! Sébastien What's Changed (selection): 1.6.2: Fix updating the cach...

hollow pike
hollow pike
limpid obsidian
limpid obsidian
dim glade
#

Hey guys. I'm experiencing a strange problem where I change settings in my project settings which write to my DefaultEngine.ini but then revert when I close the editor. I can make manual changes to the ini which will be persistent but if I make the changes in the editor in project settings, it will always revert. I don't have source control on and it is disconnected. I did have P4 set up and one point but I didn't really know what I was doing so I took it down. Any idea what might be happening?

bitter sun
bitter sun
lavish roost
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Hello. I'm setting up perforce. I'm a total noob. What is a depot and what is a stream? Is a depot where you put your game? Or is a depot a place where you put all your games?

dim glade
dense ginkgo
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am i not supposed to open my project while pushing to source control (git)?

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i just opened it while waiting for a large push and a really old version of my map and some old files which i'd deleted or moved a few days ago have reappeared in my project. moved ones stay where they were moved to, but clones of them appeared where i moved them from

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but not just an old version of the map. i guess because it's one file per actor or whatever, all of the newest changes are still there too.

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but the old ExternalActors which i deleted since from what seems like my last commit have returned

dense ginkgo
#

it wasn't a big deal to delete them again and push just that but that was frustrating

glossy sluice
#

Hi, does anyone know why JetBrain Rider doesn't show perforce?

#

I have both P4, and P4V installed but it's still not showing up

limpid obsidian
formal jewel
#

Every time I try to make a commit from GitHub Desktop it gets to 99% and then a failure message pops up saying something about checking your internet connection. I've googled this issue but mostly only see stuff about the file size of the commit being too large. Is file size actually what likely causes this issue, or are there any other known causes?

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I have a gitignore file which is just set to the standard "UnrealEngine" preset from GitHub. I'm not sure tbh what the total size of the files I'm trying to push is though

regal grotto