#career-chat

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chilly sundial
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tbh tho i mainly picked this one as there is much more emphasis on coursework than theory when compared to similar degrees from similar universities

mint skiff
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For sure, I think tertiary courses solely about "games" are a bit of a scam

chilly sundial
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Did a game design course for my diploma in college and, yeah it was. We worked with unreal and bp at a very basic level. Literally the final project was make a tutorial level for like a platformer.
99% of the said game design course was 2D art. Wasn't very fun. Didn't even teach us OOP, which really hindered the learning process of unreal.

I did enjoy most of it, but as someone that was promised use of C++, Unreal, and Unity in the course description, and barely got any of those, it wasn't the best.

plucky hatch
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Hi guys, I'm freelancing at a nice studio, but really - not to humble brag or anything - it seems I'm the most talented on the team. All the other guys are dead weights pulling everything down. Never doing a proper hand off of projects for me to pick up, doing shitty unoptimised work, having no clue about the most basic rendering processes, no attention to detail...

How can I raise this problem to the managers without sounding like a total ass ?

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Cause it's impacting my own work. I'm losing precious time fixing their shitty scenes, picking up work and having to redo many things etc.

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It's really not professionnal. I can't work with people like that.

delicate laurel
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The coding and programming... there are a lot of jobs out there

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All of my friends who did coding and programming, all of them got jobs months before graduation

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The demand is very high

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Even those who can barely put something together got jobs because if you have a basic knowledge, they know that you'll learn more once you get onboard

round radish
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If they don't respond to that by asking for more details and what you think might help, I just wouldn't work for them again.

plucky hatch
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This might be a stupid question but does hairstyle affect a job interview?

woeful iron
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it could

pastel estuary
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it shouldnt, but that highly depends on the team

woeful iron
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but in most cases not

plucky hatch
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You guys are interviewers?

woeful iron
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if you look homeless they might be less inclined to hire you

pastel estuary
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then again, if a team falls over hair style, they might not be worth your time.

plucky hatch
plucky hatch
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and its a bit high on the top

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kind of like a small mullet

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The interview will be on teams tho

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and i will wear a buttoned shirt tho

limber ibex
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Hello, i got a pretty simple question, is ue5/ue4 able to run a small game to 1000 fps or more without any issues?

woeful iron
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As long as it looks like you take some care of your self shouldn't have much impact tbh

woeful iron
limber ibex
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Im looking to recreate an old game, maybe not even real time lightning

woeful iron
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but it could

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why do you need 1000 fps though

plucky hatch
limber ibex
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Im looking to create a speedrunning platform

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And performance is key here

pastel estuary
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iirc either the whole game, or one of the levels Dave Oshri is publishing is capped at 666 fps XD
it is possible, but depends on hardare / optimizations

woeful iron
limber ibex
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240hz monitors will need 240 fps

chilly sundial
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There isn't a 1000hz monitor

limber ibex
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Ik

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But we are looking for really small time frame

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In speedrunning every millisecond is an advantage

pastel estuary
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cant go faster than frame perfect. and those are generally only be able to be pulled off by a rare few.

limber ibex
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We are looking to extend in the future and allow people to create their own modes

chilly sundial
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I'm gonna be honest. 1000 FPS is an extremely unrealistic goal. Even if your goal is speedrunning

delicate laurel
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In my opinion, anything above 60FPS becomes unnoticeable in terms of FPS

shut token
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Agreed - but there are people who swear up & down otherwise.

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So meh

limber ibex
chilly sundial
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They did say in their opinion

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That they don't notice the difference. You can't really argue that

limber ibex
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I respect their opinion but there is a noticeable difference

delicate laurel
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Well, if you make the object move faster than 60FPS, then yes, we won't be able to see the object 😄 But yes, all studios aim between 30-60FPS

shut token
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In my 30+ years of gaming, I have not noticed a single difference.

limber ibex
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In extrem rapid movements, you feel a difference

chilly sundial
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I can barely notice a difference between 60 and 100 and I'm sure the only difference I notice is placebo

mint skiff
shut token
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If there are any, they're incredibly small to the point where it genuinely doesn't matter to 99.9% of people.

limber ibex
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I would suggest you to try a 240hz display for 1 day and then come back to 60hz

mint skiff
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if you are really serious about these kinds of framerates I'd maybe be building my engine from the ground up

limber ibex
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If fps is above refresh rate, is not noticable

delicate laurel
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That's why prioritising, production, and management are important, so things like this does not happen

shut token
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Please, continue to tell me what I see.

chilly sundial
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I use a 144hz quite often and a 60hz with no difference

limber ibex
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But having 60 fps on 240hz refresh rate is looking like stuttering

shut token
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Either way - no, you're not getting 1000 FPS in Unreal.

delicate laurel
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In terms of technology, we are far away from being able to produce a game that's 1000FPS

chilly sundial
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But if you want these performance goals you're working straight with directx, and you won't get much further than "Look at an unshaded shape simulator"

delicate laurel
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With my PC, when I open a brand new empty world in UE, most I can get is 200FPS 😄

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Yeah, @chilly sundial is right. If you SOMEHOW magically manage to create a game that's 1000FPS, it will most likely not be playable for 99% of the players because other PCs would be too weak to handle your game

chilly sundial
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My little asteroids clone in directx reached 800fps, probably would break 1k on a beast of a machine.

Just to give you an idea of how small we are talking here. With engine bloat you're never getting above it

wary idol
# delicate laurel In my opinion, anything above 60FPS becomes unnoticeable in terms of FPS

Most definitely not, as someone who played competitively this is not true
There is a massive difference between 60 and 144Hz, and a noticeable but not as large of a difference between 144 and 175Hz
Anything more than 200Hz is unnoticeable and no one can tell the difference

Tho even higher framerates than that still have the advantage of reduced input latency even if the screen can't display more frames

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But 1000Hz is unrealistic and unnecessary

limber ibex
mint skiff
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"How much could you do in 1ms" would be an interesting project tbh

limber ibex
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360hz is already stupid

shut token
limber ibex
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Some ideas

chilly sundial
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I'd just aim at the standard benchmarks, if you can reach 60fps on lower end hardware, then you'll probably be fine getting 200 on the beast machines some speedrunners use.

shut token
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Speedrunners don't even necessarily use beast of machines

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Because it doesn't friggin' matter a lot of the times.

pastel estuary
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then again, if speedrunners find a glitch by throttling the game to 10fps, no need for 1000fps XD

shut token
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Which I've seen in multiple games

wary idol
# shut token Bro just trust me. I can *feel* it.

Nothing to do with feeling tho
A difference between a new frame being shown every 16ms or every 5ms is massive
It might not sound like it but that's a huge difference when it comes to competitive play

chilly sundial
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If insanely high FPS was a necessity then every speedrunner would be running top of the range hardware and would avoid new game releases and stick to mario.

But they don't. People speedrun some relatively awful performance games

shut token
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Anything above 60, I frankly don't notice.

wary idol
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I literally feel sick looking at a 60Hz after using a 175Hz monitor for a while

shut token
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Sure, maybe someone can see the difference between 120 and 60.

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But if they need that kind of difference, they suck.

limber ibex
wary idol
shut token
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Yes, please 🙏

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Bunch of boneheads anywho

limber ibex
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Please do not argue on hz thing. Its also based on preferences and type of games you play

pastel estuary
limber ibex
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Its not all about I can see better

wary idol
shut token
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Ruining gaming for the majority of people. "Uhhh, yeah, we made this change because 0.01% of people deal with this. So we're going to make it objectively worse for the rest of you so our precious esports players can do something else"

round radish
shut token
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20/20

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Last checked about 5 months ago

wary idol
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It's hard for me to believe you don't see a difference going above 60Hz

round radish
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Just because you can see clearly doesn't mean you are good at detecting movement.

chilly sundial
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Now I'm not pointing fingers or naming names but I have a slight suspicion that someone here, might perhaps, not like eSports :P

limber ibex
shut token
limber ibex
wary idol
limber ibex
shut token
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What constitutes a "dedicated" gamer?

chilly sundial
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If you game inside of a dedicated server

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The cases tend to be a bit cramped thiught

shut token
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Understandable

plucky hatch
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I need more opinions but does hairstyle affect a job interview?

shut token
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You were already answered correctly a little bit ago

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It can, yes.

delicate laurel
plucky hatch
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lol

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so they gonna look at your hair instead of your qualifications?

shut token
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The darn shirt you choose to wear could affect a job interview

delicate laurel
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The art interviews tend to be very laid back, informal, and they want to see if your personality would allign with their team

north salmon
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well guys i cannot remove my portfolio in #hire-a-freelancer ... its been long time i have posted it. should i mention admins ?

wary idol
plucky hatch
pastel estuary
delicate laurel
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What I found it helps a lot is if you wear colorful clothes and if you do an interview via teams or zoom, then have an interesting background, to show that you are a fun person

plucky hatch
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My hair is kinda like this in back

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but flat on the top kinda

chilly sundial
wary idol
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Going bald is the only option shrugg

pastel estuary
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+1

shut token
north salmon
plucky hatch
pastel estuary
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rightclick on that portfolio post > get link

limber ibex
plucky hatch
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pretty liberal country

north salmon
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thats why i need help

chilly sundial
plucky hatch
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Isnt it cringe to you that interviewers actually look at your hairstyle instead of your qualifications?

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you find that normal?

shut token
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It's not something I can change, so I spend 0 energy on caring

delicate laurel
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In my last interview I had lots of stuff background - drawings, brushes, etc. even my game was on and half of the interview was spend on what's on my background 😄

chilly sundial
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There will always be a possibility you get a biased asshole as an interviewer, but if you do, you probably don't wanna work there anyway

pastel estuary
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i'll take a look

delicate laurel
plucky hatch
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they will never tell its because your hair

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lol

north salmon
chilly sundial
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I never said they would

pastel estuary
plucky hatch
north salmon
shut token
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@wary idol The difference between say, Football and esports is that you can just go out back and play with your own damn rules. You can't do that in games. And it is unrealistic to expect game devs to maintain two separate balances.

wary idol
shut token
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I disagree. When they primarily balance around esports, they focus on a small minute of the playerbase. If the pros don't deal with it, 'cause pro play plays a different strategy than peasant play, then the rest of the playerbase just has to put up with a shoddy experience until someone on the pro team exploits it.

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Then the company cares.

round radish
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But then you have to consider that usually the main reason people play these games is because of the attention brought to them via esports.

north salmon
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@pastel estuary sorry for mention but still getting same error

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round radish
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If they weren't balanced at that level, there would be no esports to generate money and users.

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I agree it can be shitty, I've experienced the same sort of thing in DOTA 2.

shut token
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Games were doin' just fine prior to esports

round radish
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And to say that esports hasn't changed the landscape is naive.

shut token
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It has. For worse.

pastel estuary
shut token
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People would still be playing CoD and League of Legends in droves even if there wasn't an esports scene.

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A vast majority of people don't give a care about that. They want to play with their friends.

north salmon
hollow jasper
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I'm just after advice/guidance when it comes to getting into the industry and I'm currently doing a udemy course in unreal cpp and a few other outside of that and I'm looking to get into gameplay or general.
I also have a Bachelor of Applied IT specialized in Software and Web Development

spice dagger
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AAA entry level positions would be extremely competitive.

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In either case you will want to build up a body of work that can help you demonstrate your experience and promote your skillset.

hollow jasper
spice dagger
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Read #instructions on how to use the Job Board, this channel is not for looking for work.

gusty vault
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It's free college so I just waste time 🙂

woeful iron
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I just wanna say that my college education was very valuable and I would never have reached the same things on my own

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If for nothing else the inspiration and motivation to keep doing (different) things

shut siren
wary idol
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I didn't go to college, I ended up teaching myself everything and got a job at 18

In my case going to college would have been a waste of time for me, not saying it for everyone

Not to mention I don't do well in a school-like environment, being forced to learn something

I'll do much much better when I can learn what I want because I'm interested in it rather than being forced to learn it

shut token
woeful iron
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really depends on the person tbh

ivory echo
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Well I paid a college over 10 grand and got a business admin diploma with honours. It didn’t rly do anything for my career and back then I could afford to pay for it and I could do it mostly online. Going back to school, full time, while having a mortgage, in the hopes that maybe it’ll help me get a job in game dev seems like a bleak prospect rn

round radish
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It's definitely not what you should be doing.

jolly charm
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When postings say they want a shipped game, what in your guys experience are satisfactory standards for these?

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Like i could go ship one of my shit unfinished projects right now lol. Is that good enough?

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It shows working code, blueprints, EOS, online lobby system, networking connectivity, and total play through flow. It just isn’t something I’d sell just yet

modern relic
round radish
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Did you read the message, Gambit? 😛

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Or was something deleted?

woeful iron
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I swear 40% of #career-chat is people not reading instructions and then deleting the message

steady pewter
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Could have been #fab !

modern relic
round radish
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😛

ivory echo
spark acorn
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Hi
So, I have been working as an indie game developer working on my own game since 2011, I used Unity to build the game, it is multiplayer, and got a small player base.
I’m currently working on porting my game to Unreal, but this is going to take a while since my game is somewhat significant, and there is a lot to be ported.

I never thought about getting a job as a game developer through all those years, so I have never worried about creating a resume or beautiful portfolio, but knowing that the game won’t generate any more revenue in its current state and the time it will take to finish the porting to Unreal, I’m in a situation now where I must find another way to survive financially, so I created a draft for a resume to try to find a job, but I’m not sure what to include and what not since there is a lot to add and ofc I can’t include everything.

I’m looking for feedback and suggestions, thanks in advance.
Here is my draft.

woeful iron
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well for one the link to your website doesn't seem to work

spark acorn
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it does, just takes some time to load sometimes, that is why I'm working on updating it to use NextJS

woeful iron
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also quite plain layout and lots of text

woeful iron
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oh there it is

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recruiters won't wait that long though probably

spark acorn
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yeah sure, but what about the resume? is it interesting enough or very bad? 🙂

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hmmm, gonna find out how to do that 🙂

jolly charm
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We helping people review resumes in here lol?

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Someone check out my portfolio and give me feedback 🤗

green oyster
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Where is it?

winged dragon
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Is Upwork a good place for finding freelance/short-term work?

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or if you could recommend where to look

green oyster
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last time I checked Upwork was a bid to the bottom and a waste of time

winged dragon
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any suggestions where to look at for freelance work?

woeful iron
winged dragon
ashen lynx
jolly charm
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Honestly the best method I’ve found is to create a presence and just Ping people directly if possible

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And definitely ship a game, have a few demos live, and maybe some trailers… I’m working on all that now.
As far as platforms, LinkedIn is getting me some attention, and of course these discord where you can look at the board and contact them

green oyster
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I got all of my jobs basically from networking, attended some events, old colleagues, etc

chilly sundial
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<@&213101288538374145>

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surprised it wasnt even a bot

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could see them copy pasting to each channel manually lmao

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these nitro scammers have gone backwards in their tech

nova coyote
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that's a sign that they really wanted to gift people free nitro

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what a nice guy!

round radish
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Maybe it was a rate limited bot.

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To avoid spam detection!

plucky hatch
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Anyone here work at Light & Wonder?

modern relic
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Wrong channel mate... In fact probably wrong server too

wispy thunder
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Hey everyone, i am looking for Unreal Engine devs who are familiar with UEFN for a project I am working on - please dm me if that describes you so we can discuss further.

round radish
granite fossil
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@wispy thunder please remove your message from this channel and post it in the Job Board. Also read #instructions

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Thank you.

fallen onyx
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Hi everyone!
Not sure if this is the right channel, if it's not, please tell me and I will remove the post. 😄

I've been designing tabletop RPG systems for many years and I've recently taken up game development with UE.
I'm learning quite a lot of things, but I'm not really a developer yet.
I've been trying to land a job in the game industry, but it's proven to be quite difficult (as expected).
I would be mostly interested in being a Game Designer.

Do you guys have any advice on how I could pursue this goal?

quiet steppe
plucky hatch
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Hi peeps, sorry for intruding on this thread but I wanted to ask about where I could solve bounties for money apart from repl.it. Primarily because I feel a bit put-off by current webdev.

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Also @austere vigil I sent you a friend request since I can't DM you. I wanted to discuss your freelance job opportunity.

plucky hatch
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@old verge tried adding you but your friend requests are turned off. I would like to have a chat with you.

plucky hatch
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Im looking for a QA job

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I already did 2 interviews and I got refused

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damn

plucky hatch
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I was going to apply after my last blockout, but then I threw back. Studios don't want unfinished blockouts, they want a portfolio with functional levels, not half assed work that wasn't even playtested once

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I waiting for an email from Frozen Sand to join their QA

stuck parcel
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Facts

plucky hatch
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I'm going to apply after I playtest my last blockout and see how it works under a real competitive environment

plucky hatch
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If anyone sees this message here and has received a friend request from me: I'm trying to contact you to discuss freelancing opportunities!

woeful iron
plucky hatch
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@woeful iron I already have, their hiring instructions are to DM them and since I can't, I have to send them requests.

woeful iron
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if you find them through job board but their dm's are closed they're just a bit dumb lol

plucky hatch
woeful iron
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of course with a message lol

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tagging them here like you did earlier is just the same

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but in the inappropriate channel

plucky hatch
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ah

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okay well I'll ask ChatGPT to concoct me some generic messages expressing my interest in wishing to work with them

woeful iron
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why

pastel estuary
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you spamming this here is more annoying than to do so in lounge.

pastel estuary
woeful iron
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true

spark acorn
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yup, if they ask to apply via dm and have their dm closed, then u better not even try to work with them

round radish
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I bet they wonder to themselves why nobody is applying.

plucky hatch
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How am I supposed to know what I did wrong ?

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Or what qualifications Im missing?

nova coyote
plucky hatch
nova coyote
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lazyness ig 🤷‍♂️. you could try to ask them on why you were declined but from what i've seen they dont tend to reply

plucky hatch
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what a nice company

woeful iron
granite solar
# plucky hatch Any theories to why they do that?

In the US at least, there are federal and state laws that dictate what cannot be considered in the process of employment to attempt to prevent discrimination. By not telling you why they chose to not hire you, they eliminate all possibility of being accused of some type of discrimination. There's my theory on one of the many reasons.

ivory echo
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Yes, employers rarely ever tell you why you weren’t selected, some send you the default template reply, most just ghost you.

chilly sundial
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Another common reason is that they're busy

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If they had to tell each candidate where they went wrong specifically it adds up to a lot of time

ivory echo
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Yep, there’s often several dozen applicants within the first hour alone, esp. for entry level jobs

plucky hatch
mint skiff
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You've already asked them?

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If so then that's that, move on

chilly sundial
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By the time you've chased up with what's wrong and lamented it, you could have applied to more jobs. You just gotta keep on it and not get demotivated by rejections

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You aren't going to be the first choice for every role

mint skiff
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I think I've actually had a proper rejection letter for a job exactly once

chilly sundial
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You might not have even done anything wrong, it might just be that someone else that was better happened to apply

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In all my placement applications I got exactly 0 rejection letters, and the rest were auto emails saying they've chosen not to move forward

mint skiff
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Oh I was including the auto emails 😅

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I've even done interviews and then been ghosted

chilly sundial
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Maybe they're a bit kinder with the rejections since placements are for uni students, and a required part of the course.

plucky hatch
chilly sundial
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it is

plucky hatch
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ghosting after an interview is insane

mint skiff
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I think it's a bit rude but it does happen (clearly)

chilly sundial
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yeah not even having an auto reply is a tad rude, but it's certainly common.

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Countless accounts of ghosting

plucky hatch
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👀

modern relic
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Maybe you are being autorejected for email trackers

ivory echo
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Yeah, most ATS can’t read weird symbols and nice formatting like tables

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Your resume basically has to be readable if pasted in notepad

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It also helps to have the key words they are looking for in it

chilly sundial
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not to mention some have a bad habit of too lengthy of a cv

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like some people have some 6 page long cvs

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my tutor that went through hirability was an ex international hiring manager. He only had 10 seconds to give a cv a first pass and spot things that jumped out

ivory echo
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savage. I've always kept mine down to one page, but then again I've applied for like 50 jobs these past 2 weeks and nothing tangible yet :\

brave forge
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I have a relatively long CV, and have had good feedback from recruiters. The "must be one page" isn't really true or particularly useful if you have several years and a few studios of experience behind you. The trick is to have the first page do the majority of the eye catching, it should have all the critical information for someone doing a quick scan, and if they see stuff that catches their eye they can jump to page 2 & 3 for more information

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If you are a student looking for your first job, then it's more likely true

round radish
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Teh first page should at least be a highlight, though.

brave forge
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The trick is to have the first page do the majority of the eye catching

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exactly

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the first page is for the quick scan

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Also advice you hear from teachers and tutors is more likely advice aimed at new graduates

autumn spade
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As I want to pursue a career in game development, and I already have good knowledge of C++, I have started a Udemy course on UNREAL Engine 5. What should I do and which areas should I focus on to become a better game developer or increase my chances of joining a game company? What do they look for in candidates during the recruitment process?

woeful iron
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like make some games or mechanics to put on your portfolio?

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always nice if you can colab with some artists too to make it prettier if you're not a great artist

full frost
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Here's a protip for anyone looking for a job, don't start your cover letter like this:

I am writing to express my strong interest in the Unreal Engine Blueprint C++ Programming position
at [Company Name], as advertised on your website.```
modern relic
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that is super generic and not at all like a protip

full frost
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They literally sent it to us with [Company Name] in the cover letter.

modern relic
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oh i misread what you said

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i thought you were saying to use this

full frost
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No, not even in the slightest.

mint skiff
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Starting cover letters is hard, never really know what I'm supposed to do

modern relic
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ye ive read tons of conflicting things about them. some people say to address the person reading it (how tf am i supposed to know?), some people say keep it casual, some say make it super formal

full frost
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To be honest, we barely read them unless something else raises questions. I look at your education/work history and portfolio.

modern relic
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its lose/lose honestly

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well since we are talking now i might as well send you my cv

full frost
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If you want. We're hiring a few bodies for an October start.

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The best part about this specific position that this person applied for is that it requires 2 years of professional Unreal experience and they don't even have 5 minutes of professional experience.

woeful iron
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tbh cover letters are a strange thing

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why do they exist, idk

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literally says nothing about someone except that they can write a story/letter

mint skiff
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Nah

woeful iron
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I'll show that in the interview tbh

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also I get plenty of offers personally, so the convincig goes the other way most of the time for me 😄

modern relic
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I'm writing to tell you something tremendous—I'm the best candidate for the Game Developer position at [Company Name]. Believe me, nobody knows game development better than me. I've got 8 years of programming experience, and let me tell you, I've mastered Unreal Engine 5 like no one else. It's incredible!

When it comes to creating immersive and engaging games, I'm a winner. My programming skills are unmatched, and my attention to detail is tremendous. I've got what it takes to deliver exceptional results and make your games great again. We're going to win bigly!

I'm a fast-paced dynamo, and I know how to collaborate like nobody else. I've worked with the best, and I know how to get things done. I'm a proven winner and a true team player. Together, we'll make [Company Name] soar to new heights!

I'm thrilled about the opportunity to join your fantastic team and contribute to the tremendous success of [Company Name]. I bring the technical prowess and unmatched passion that will take your games to the next level. Let's make gaming great again!

Thank you for considering my application. I'm confident that I'm the best choice for this position. It's going to be incredible! I look forward to speaking with you soon.

Sincerely,

[Your Name]```
woeful iron
#

I really am not eager enough to find a job to write a letter atm though lol

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for junior positions I get it

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but otherwise meh

modern relic
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yes

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specifically to read as donald trump

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nah its perfect

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i might actually just use this lmao

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🤷 ive basically given up even trying to apply for gamedev positions so this might make it actually fun again just meme-ing people

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programming. didnt you read the cover letter i just posted?

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ye plus i dont exactly have a portfolio ready to go which also makes it super awkward when applying for jobs

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basically saying "trust me bro im a good programmer" doesnt go down well

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its in my backlog

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right now its significantly easier to not do that

woeful iron
#

so what is the point of a cover letter still if you ai generate it

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back to nothing

#

that at least can filter out the absolute braindeads

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this is very american in my experience though

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although I have noticed apparently we started using hackerrank to hire as well

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my last one was for this job almost 3 years ago, it was also quite simple though

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and not live with people looking at it

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ew, whiteboard

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even worse

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are they gonna compile pictures of boards when you work there

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why not at least use notepad or something though

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questions that are relevant to the job? illegal

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but you won't filter that with a letter or technical test though

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I had the opposite once too

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was really hyped for a job

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then met the guy I would be working with

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huge weirdo, was no longer interested

chilly sundial
#

That's where you host the game show, last to get out gets the job :P

woeful iron
#

I have nothing against interviews though

ancient cosmos
#

Hey guys! I'm a student in Game Art and an environmental artist. I've never had a job in the industry before and I keep hearing people say it's going to be easy to get a job and then people say it's going to be difficult. I'm assuming it's going to be difficult to get that first job without having any experience. I was just wanting some input on how people here got their first job in the industry and how to make myself more hirable.

woeful iron
#

having a strong poftpolio is probably the most important thing

ancient cosmos
green oyster
#

It's not hard if you're good. Before I first got a job I did a few assets for some indie projects (some completely free) to get a better idea of the workflows and add to my portfolio

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I think you need to work on showcasing standard required skills - low poly and high poly, maybe some hard surface, normal baking and photorealistic textures with varied materials

woeful iron
#

a good prop can look shit in bad lighting and the other way around

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not saying these are bad, but you could showcase them a lot better

ancient cosmos
#

Cool thanks guys!!

ancient cosmos
#

I've never used marmoset renderer, is that a free program?

ancient cosmos
#

Cool! We already use unreal for school so I'll have to get better at it.

crisp pond
#

What are the best free places for general IT certifications like C++ ect

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If there are any

round radish
#

Do you get marked down on a CV for writing ect?

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I sure hope so.

steady pewter
round radish
#

See, if somebody said that to me in an interview, I would laugh and like them!

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But then ask for a serious answer.

ivory echo
#

no, I don’t have any experience because I just got out of college and every company is asking for 3 years of experience? 😀

ivory echo
#

Makes total sense

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I guess you have to do internships so only works if you’re 18

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Or have a money tree, there’s that

ivory echo
round radish
#

To be honest, anyone posting in here for a job should automatically just never be hired.

chilly sundial
#

I unfortunately agree in a lot of cases. Most of them post, then ghost requests to remove. Faliure to listen to instructions, and ignorance of clearly posted rules are probably 2 qualities you don't want in an employee

round radish
#

Indeed

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It's posted in multiple places too

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The channel description, the faq, etc.

cyan pendant
#

hi, I have a question: in my country we don't have the job for Graphics Programmer, so I have to learn by myself and get started as a Technical Artist. I want to advance to be a Graphic Programmer,so in my first steps, what should I do and learn?

steady pewter
#

Do a Tech Art work? Learn graphics, keep an eye on the jobs board.

cyan pendant
steady pewter
#

So continue. Learn graphics programming. Make a demo of your work. Show it off. Find a job, even if remote.

cyan pendant
#

thank you, I don't know whether this topic can be learned in any university?

mint skiff
#

But the programming side of things is generally easier to teach yourself than theory stuff

cyan pendant
#

I wonder if there are any univerisities teach that, I'm looking for some recommendation too

mint skiff
#

I believe (and coworkers i've spoken to agree) that most of the advanced graphics people are in industry, not academia. When i looked at offerings from universities around me i was generally unsatisfied with their graphics courses.

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I've just been consuming SIGGRAPH content lol

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i'm sure there are some courses out there, and there'll be a lot of overlap with systems programming or HPC courses too

cyan pendant
cyan pendant
#

😦

mint skiff
cyan pendant
#

thank you

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are you working as a Graphics Progammer @mint skiff may I ask how did you get started

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do you have some recommendations how a beginner should learn/do

mint skiff
#

I'm a junior programmer & artist, I am just similarly interested in these topics. Most of what i've learned on the graphics side of things (which is not an enormous amount) is just piecemeal through the various free resources on the internet. Ryan Brucks, Unrealfest talks, SIGGRAPH, etc.

cyan pendant
#

btw may I ask, in your country, how can you be recognized as a Senior

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in mine, I think it mostly depends on how long did you work

mint skiff
#

that's usually how it works

slate garden
round radish
#

(Erm ignore that, I totally didn't read)

barren shadow
#

@steel creek Discord links are not permitted, not this many, will delete your post

steel creek
tidal ginkgo
#

car ears

cyan pendant
plucky hatch
#

Why do they keep asking me what are my salary expectation on application forms? Its a trick question lol

chilly sundial
#

they are asking you what you think you are worth

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the salary in the job description isn't set in stone, things are given room to adjust

plucky hatch
queen ore
#

Unfortunately, the one who gives the number first loses. Not much you can do

plucky hatch
round radish
#

"More than you can afford"

ivory echo
#

“Based on standard practices”

proud spear
#

Most of those forms only accept a number 😦

brave forge
proud spear
#

Only if you can afford alternatives

rustic furnace
untold aspen
#

i love reading this chat

woeful iron
#

happy for you

zinc raven
ivory echo
#

Perform an SQL injection in your job application, bound to get results, of one kind or the other

round radish
#

You could put 0.

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Or -1 !

ivory echo
#

I guess that works instead of infinite since they don’t let you use symbols

steel creek
# plucky hatch well If I give an amount that's high for them , then they won't contact me

Then why would you want to work there. If they asked you for your level of payment, and you overshoot, and they are unwilling to negotiate, why the hell would you want to work for them? No need to anguish over a simple question that is pretty standard in the interviewing/hiring/on-boarding process. As other have said, there are a number of reasons to ask, both for you and for them.

plucky hatch
#

Hello

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What is the career if I master in unreal engine by mistake

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So how can I make career in game development

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In programming field

woeful iron
#

by developing skills and applying for jobs

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same as any career

plucky hatch
#

Ohk developing skills and where I will find jobs

steel creek
#

do the first part, first. Then come back.

nova coyote
#

actually im interested in this. so i've go the skills, now what?

steel creek
woeful iron
#

you can apply to companies you know

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or on dedicated sites

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or on fairs

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or just google

earnest pecan
#

you could go on linkedin, search the websites of studios that work with ue, use google, there's even a few channels in this very server

nova coyote
#

any advices for applying for jobs? or can i just go for it and learn along the way?

earnest pecan
#

a portfolio helps

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and it's not recommended to apply first and then start learning

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i think

nova coyote
nova coyote
earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

strong portfolio, knowing what you want, prepare things you can expect, be confident, but not over confident

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present yourself like you want to be seen

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that's just cause you got your first job before the internet existed

ivory echo
#

well, when you're a genius, you don't have to write cover letters

earnest pecan
#

it feels impossible to achieve anything on this planet anymore lol

nova coyote
#

did they not ask for it in your first job?

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or is it just that portfolio culture was not a thing like it is in my country

ivory echo
#

I wish I had the talent to be able to do that

nova coyote
#

huh intresting. and how long did it take you to find a job? like how many did you apply for before hitting the jackpot?

granite solar
#

I, a career baby, feel like portfolios aren't as relevant for programming positions?

ivory echo
#

oh, I definitely have that, just nothing to back it up (no actual skills) 😄

nova coyote
#

hmmm. how did you prove yourself to the company then?

woeful iron
#

I think I applied to 17 internships before I even got an interview

nova coyote
#

or was the interview more than enough?

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huh interesting. if you dont mind me asking did you apply for a degree in college?

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or were you self learning

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but it did effect your chances at getting a job tho

ivory echo
#

unfortunately, a lot of companies filter people by degree/no degree, regardless of what knowledge it provides or what the degree actually is

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maybe to prove commitment to long projects idk

nova coyote
#

ig that's good to hear 😄. the colleges where i live are not super credited. the degree i'd get would hold the same weight as an empty sheet of paper

woeful iron
#

I miss some good seniors in my direct team 😔

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they even made me senior

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how desparate

earnest pecan
ivory echo
#

well, when you have a dietered Discord reaction, it's time to be Sr.

earnest pecan
#

tf is my bba gonna do for my game dev career

ivory echo
#

You too can be SBF!

earnest pecan
#

well-

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should've used another example lol

earnest pecan
ivory echo
#

Sam Bankman-Fried

nova coyote
#

so you're advice would be to gitgud at programming and then hunt for jobs pretty much?

woeful iron
#

first job is definitely the most difficult one to get

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I was lucky my school hosted an internship/job fair with many interesting companies eager to hire

nova coyote
#

yep was about to mention that 😄. the thing is the is no job opportunities where i live. i was hopping to first find a remote job, save up some money, move out and then find a better job. but that plan doesnt sound good to me

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what do you think?

ivory echo
#

o.o

earnest pecan
#

and somehow I still managed to get myself a meeting 😭

ivory echo
earnest pecan
#

once you get rejected, you'll get like an insane amount of insight

woeful iron
#

interviewing is definitely a skill you can develop

earnest pecan
nova coyote
#

lol that great to hear. thank you so much for you advices! i'll forever be grateful for your help 💙

earnest pecan
#

sarcasm much?

ivory echo
#

doubt it, Laura is revered in this community

earnest pecan
#

damn

woeful iron
#

why would moving out of shithole be sarcasm lol

earnest pecan
earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

ah

earnest pecan
#

yeah

nova coyote
granite solar
woeful iron
#

just by some glasses, get rid of the blur

nova coyote
#

her insight gave me a bit of clarity now

nova coyote
earnest pecan
nova coyote
earnest pecan
ivory echo
#

coworkers only complicate things and cause drama

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remote work = best work

woeful iron
#

I couldn't do 100% remote though

#

gets lonely after a while

granite solar
#

I went from only being home to really eat and sleep to being home 24/7. I'd be lying if I said it hasn't been driving me a bit crazy over the last year.

ivory echo
earnest pecan
#

ehh full time remote wouldn't be as glorious as you guys think it'd be

earnest pecan
woeful iron
ivory echo
granite solar
earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

can't share things you did with your so with my so, she was there

earnest pecan
#

my b

ivory echo
ivory echo
earnest pecan
#

huh, that's new

nova coyote
#

yeah i'll need to save up some money, gain more experience along the way and fly out ✈️

ivory echo
#

true

woeful iron
#

if you have enough skills a company might even fly you out

earnest pecan
#

I thrive off social interactions so full-time remote wouldn't be my cup of tea

ivory echo
#

I have Discord for that

earnest pecan
earnest pecan
nova coyote
ivory echo
#

I just have to hang out in #ue5-general and get my fill of social interaction lol

woeful iron
nova coyote
woeful iron
#

not game dev though

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game dev is poor man's world

earnest pecan
nova coyote
earnest pecan
#

and there was the russian invasion as a nail in the coffin

ivory echo
#

ah, you live in the "Badlands" eh?

woeful iron
nova coyote
woeful iron
#

lol

ivory echo
#

sneaky dev

earnest pecan
ivory echo
#

technically Russia is also in Asia, but I get your point

woeful iron
#

dno if we hire juniors atm, but feel free to look up OMP

earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

supply chain planning seems boring, but the codebase and tech is kinda neat

earnest pecan
#

what's supply chain planning

round radish
ivory echo
#

yeah

earnest pecan
#

good lord I completely forgot why I came here

round radish
#

Something about a career?

ivory echo
#

with chat involved? 😛

woeful iron
earnest pecan
#

no, I opened up discord to ask you guys what overriding functions do

nova coyote
woeful iron
#

a subset e.g. could be optimizing the production plan of multiple machines to waste less time on cleaning or switching processes and such

earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

I was not a junior when they hired me

round radish
nova coyote
#

oh good to know

earnest pecan
#

I just forgot to go back and do my work

woeful iron
ivory echo
#

that's neat

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I have some college education in SCM but couldn't really get anywhere with it

earnest pecan
#

it's cool stuff tho

woeful iron
#

it makes a shit ton of money too

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the company

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not me

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not that I get paid bad, just not a shit ton

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I have very nice benefits

earnest pecan
#

maybe I should not become a game dev hmm

nova coyote
#

unless you consider crunching to be comfortable (for game dev i mean)

woeful iron
#

if you want money and stability game dev is not da way

earnest pecan
#

but I just want money so that I can make my game eitherways

earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

lots of people have a corpo day job and a passion project by themselves

earnest pecan
#

I also have plans to work in an off-shore oil rig but idk how to get started

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that, or writing

woeful iron
#

<- has not had crunch in the almost 3 years I work here

ivory echo
#

well I guess I should be grateful I shoehorned myself into a specific skill set and got a mortgage so I can't ever become a professional game dev 😦

round radish
#

Mr social wants to work on one of the most isolating jobs in existence?

woeful iron
#

when I was at my first game dev company there was some crunch at least every month

earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

well shit if it's paid

#

I like money

earnest pecan
#

idk it seems pretty nice hanging out with your coworkers in the middle of nowhere

round radish
#

You could probably try googling "jobs on oil rigs"

woeful iron
#

pizza party for morale 🙃

#

that's the best

#

that's why I loved working holiday periods at my last job

ivory echo
earnest pecan
granite solar
ivory echo
#

I can order my own pizza and enjoy the party

woeful iron
#

you can still get pizza

earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

put it on the company tab

granite solar
#

Pfft I wish

woeful iron
#

make your own company

earnest pecan
round radish
#

Make your own rig. Drill your own oil!

#

Hard hard can it be?!

earnest pecan
#

I'll make my own oil rig, with blackjack and hookers!

nova coyote
ivory echo
#

Just gotta find some dead dinosaurs

woeful iron
round radish
earnest pecan
earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

it's not necessarily a bad plan

round radish
#

I mean it's definitely been used before futurama

woeful iron
#

I wouldn't recommend it for starting out though

nova coyote
#

it's not bad. just not very good.

woeful iron
#

not that I have experience with having my own company

earnest pecan
#

but the people in my country for game dev are awful

ivory echo
#

you're forgetting you need someone to bankroll you, like a...bank

woeful iron
#

of a roll

earnest pecan
woeful iron
#

billionaires hate this one simple trick

ivory echo
#

sure, if grandma has an "unfortunate accident" maybe

ivory echo
woeful iron
#

sure, let's go with accident

earnest pecan
ivory echo
#

well actually, they've got their own interest in mind, not necessarily your back

#

VCs and publishers are not fiduciaries

nova coyote
#

or get an email from a nigerian prince

round radish
#

By definition, if they're obsessed with web3 and blockchain, doesn't that mean them not good ones?

earnest pecan
earnest pecan
ivory echo
#

keep trying, world is full of rejection but you'll get something, or you'll learn to do something better so you can get something

round radish
#

Just reject their rejection, walk into the office and claim to work there.

nova coyote
#

yeah i always thing of luck as a dice roll. you just need to keep rolling before eventually getting lucky

earnest pecan
#

i do plan on trying for a while but what if I get rejected over and over again? surely i can't go back and live with my parents again

#

usually when I get rejected I'll be like "eh, what's done is done" but I can't seem to do that for this particular thing

ivory echo
earnest pecan
nova coyote
earnest pecan
#

damn I didn't even think of that

nova coyote
#

that advice was brought to you by: the sleepless nights 😄

earnest pecan
#

I am a fellow insomniac, it's almost 1am for me rn 😎

woeful iron
#

(if you work alone)

nova coyote
#

even if you're not alone. bring your home to your office

earnest pecan
earnest pecan
#

living costs = 0

woeful iron
#

will to live = 0

earnest pecan
#

that's already the case

nova coyote
#

will to live? unlucky...

#

the expense will be crazy you know

earnest pecan
#

no i meant I don't have a will to live lol

granite solar
#

Maybe you can find a Will at a hardware store or something. Seems like a place fellas named Will would be

earnest pecan
#

new life objective: find will

round radish
#

Is that an update from: find grandma's will?

ivory echo
stray elbow
#

Hi everyone! Please let me know your suggestions for an affordable online class for intermediate and advanced students to learn and improve their UE5 skills. I appreciate your help!

round radish
#

Class for what?

ivory echo
#

Career tutorials, obvi 🙃

stray elbow
nova coyote
#

in what specifically? programming, animation, modelling...?

round radish
#

To be honest, tutorials for intermediate to advanced are pretty rare. 99% of tutorials are focused on beginners.

#

And they're going to be specialised. Highly specialised.

stray elbow
#

I have noticed that they are rare, but do any exist? Any speciality would be helpful.

modern relic
#

You haven't said what you want classes on still

stray elbow
#

Animation, modeling, Niagara, Cinematics, any speciality would work.

mint skiff
stray elbow
plucky hatch
#

lol I'm just not gonna answer

mint skiff
#

99 trillion dollars

plucky hatch
#

Always gotta avoid that trick question

brave forge
plucky hatch
#

They are trying to trick people lol

#

its funny

brave forge
#

does it accept GIF URLs?

plucky hatch
#

na lol

mint skiff
#

Do this

plucky hatch
#

nope

#

even if you put a number

#

if they don't like it they won't contact you

#

I have been unemployed for 2 months now so not taking any chances

nova coyote
rustic furnace
rustic furnace
#

I know it's hard but you really don't want to give in to the state of desperation and undervalue yourself, because there's plenty of companies more than happy to squeeze you dry

#

Also this, if you're worried about not even being able to be given a chance to begin with then give a lower (but not too low) number and then you can negotiate in the interview, since nothing is locked in until you sign the contract

#

You'll also have more bargaining power if you've come over well in the interview

lethal briar
#

anyone have some programming portfolios I can look at?

woeful iron
#

does that count as cross-posting 🤔

pastel estuary
#

working on it

lethal briar
#

Dang I got denied lol

prisma valve
plucky hatch
#

lol

#

fk I need a job...

#

Im losing money by the day by not working

ivory echo
#

can relate

lethal briar
#

can also relate

plucky hatch
#

@ivory echo @lethal briar What are you guys looking for

lethal briar
plucky hatch
#

I am in the same situation that's why im looking for a QA job

#

I am the most qualified for that cause I have 2 years of experience in it

rustic furnace
plucky hatch
#

ill just apply to a different company then

rustic furnace
#

If you want to be a designer/programmer/artist etc. I would be working towards applying for those roles specifically

#

Might be okay in smaller companies though where there's a looser multi-disciplinary approach, it's just the bigger ones it's very tricky to have upwards momentum beyond the realm of QA

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On the flipside though your 2 years QA experience should actually look pretty good on a resume when applying for other development roles, since that shows familiarity with the process and collaboration experience

plucky hatch
#

ya I wish I could apply for an environnement artist/game design role but sadly my portfolio is not strong enough at the moment

mint skiff
#

have you applied for things anyway?

#

your portfolio may well not be strong enough, but all that matters is whether the hirer thinks that

ivory echo
#

It’s too late for me to switch careers so I’m just trying to get another sales job and do Unreal on the side as a hobby I suppose

plucky hatch
#

Im 28 years old

#

Is it too late for me?

#

I have a college degree and I did game design, graphic design, UX and web design

#

but everybody had their special focus on a specific skill

#

and mine was game design

#

so it's not like I have no experience

#

the only issue is getting a portfolio good enough for employees to look at

plucky hatch
#

I have 3 months internship in game design

#

in a very small company

#

like 3-4 employees lol

plucky hatch
#

I have one but it's not too great

#

needs a complete makeover

#

oh wow

#

I mean I guess it makes sense I believe there are more small studios than bigger ones out there

#

I think AI is getting better and will change everything

#

I am exicted when AI videos will become more accurate

#

How does AI help?

#

I actually already have an idea for a game set 200 years in the futur

#

I have a feeling AI will destroy alot of positions in the game dev industry

#

It's inevitable

#

I mean imagine if the AI can generate 3D models

#

It should be possible

green oyster
#

enough data to generate a complex 3d model - photogrammetry 😅

ivory echo
rustic furnace
#

Please base it off triple A UI/UX from the mid-late 2010s, for some reason modern gaming UI has become so much worse and seems to be aping streaming services (or outright outsourcing to the companies that design UI for streaming services)

chilly sundial
#

Surely if you want a job for UI/UX now, then you want to show that you can do modern styles too

lethal briar
#

Makes sense

steel creek
# lethal briar Dang I got denied lol

Because it's typically not a thing. Anyone who has a portfolio will only have public facing material in there anyway.

This is the very tricky part of being a programmer for studios.

Plus if you really wanted to look up portfolios you could literally just go to GitHub

lethal briar
#

true

ivory echo
#

They’ll test your ability anyway so no need to display stuff

#

I meant coding ability mb

woeful iron
brave forge
#

Yep, for the most part people only build portfolios when students and they have a bit more time, and aren't encumbered by NDAs. Relatively rare to have a huge portfolio of work you can show off in any meaningful way after a few years in the industry

ivory echo
#

No, but I imagine it will show pretty quickly if you don’t know the stuff that’s implied from working on those things

#

Because that actual tests in interviews are pretty irrelevant from what I’ve read

woeful iron
#

just claim to know nothing

#

can't go wrong with that

#

I'll see you monday

ivory echo
#

That’s internships for you

woeful iron
#

how are you gonna show this on a cv or portfolio though lol

#

can't say I've ever had a trivia quiz as job interview part

steel creek
#

Same. my out facing github is a joke, the private ones for company work is loaded. Its the nature of work.

steady pewter
#

LLM can solve our problems.

woeful iron
#

my github is empty on both sides

#

we use azure at work

steel creek
woeful iron
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or is it

steel creek
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if you keep getting paid, that is all that matters.

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easier to just keep working at a company

woeful iron
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but not everyone is a full stack buy

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can't just go showing of some proprietary backends

steel creek
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unless getting customers IS the game.

ivory echo
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“They must want more micro-transactions! “ 🙃

chilly sundial
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A moral gamedev? Impossible

spark acorn
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it isn't about having a sophisticated product/game, you may have that (I do) but it is about if the recruiter will even bother to see that, or actually take the time to see how sophisticated it is.

woeful iron
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me and the homies love blaming others for our lack of skill /s

chilly sundial
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The CSGO Experience™️

steel creek
spark acorn
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I mean, if you can't write that down in the resume, they won't even bother

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and writing that on a resume would take 100 pages at least

woeful iron
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sounds like that game is not fun

steel creek
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you need to be in elevator pitch mode, with yourself.

spark acorn
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yeah, that is the hard part, being able to pitch your product in the lowest number of words

chilly sundial
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"Good game, promise"

spark acorn
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like "Implemented various game features and content, such as fighting and killing monsters, crafting items, mining resources, chatting, trading, leaderboards, etc."

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should I keep going and list details instead of the "etc." ? 🙂

chilly sundial
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If you want an extra word you change promise to pinky swear so they know you aren't lying

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🤯

steel creek
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I mean, take your 500 word pitch into ChatGPT and ask for the elevator version and tweak from there. Use the tools.

plucky hatch
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Is it professional to contact employers to ask them why you weren’t selected?

pastel estuary
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depends on how you ask them :p
just keep in mind that most dont have the time to tell you why, they can be kind enough to give you pointers.

plucky hatch
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Am I actually the only one with no job for 2 months? I feel like most people looking for a job already have one but they are just swtiching to a new one

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Am I doing something wrong?

steel creek
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you are doing nothing "wrong". There have been over 180k layoffs since the start of this year, SOLELY in tech industry jobs.

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You are competing with an increasing labor market where -- from above (layoffs) and below (new graduated students)

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also, this is going to sound anathema to "games", but look outside game studios. I know automotive industry is hiring gang busters for TAs right now

plucky hatch
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"struggling" as in are being too picky in selecting candidates or...?

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well I must be an idiot then

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good to know

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If I have all the skills for the job and Im still getting a rejection email saying "we regret to inform you that we have chosen to pursue other candidates whose skills, experience, and education more closely align with the requirements of the role"

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Am I still the idiot?

steel creek
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I mean you're never going to be able to parse through somebody's subjective opinion of your skill set

charred sentinel
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if you're interviewing for a senior-level C++ job and you cannot explain to me how strings work though, even at a basic level...

plucky hatch
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lol

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This is why I never put my adress on my CV lol

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Ill just say im homeless

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lol jk

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and you think that's normal?

steel creek
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I know that here in the states all the remote work that people are clamoring for only works if the business you're trying to get the remote work from has a business established [DBA] in the state in which you live.

That primary filter eliminates a large pool of candidates to apply

plucky hatch
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Does anyone here work at People Can Fly ?

plucky hatch
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I don't think anyone would say because It's a personal information

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but I am about to apply there

proud spear
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It took me about 5 months of searching before I found a job. Not easy.

plucky hatch
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You don't spend all day applying right? I also work on my personal game dev project

proud spear
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I had contract work that was winding down

plucky hatch
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lucky

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I have nothing

rustic furnace
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That makes sense, working particularly juicy roles on your resume usually gets you to rate pretty highly

rustic furnace
mint skiff
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How do you go about writing around NDA? I end up just putting something dumb like "R&D" because I'm overly cautious.

plucky hatch
# plucky hatch Am I actually the only one with no job for 2 months? I feel like most people loo...

I don't know if its anything to go by since it's in a completely different industry, but my sister has 15 years of work experience and has applied to over 40 jobs in the past 6 weeks and she's only heard back from 2 so far. I wouldn't worry about it, just keep applying for jobs and keep improving your skills. I feel like a wise man would have the brain to do small projects and what not to network and improve skill but honestly I don't know how viable networking is if you don't have like regular casual contact with people.

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This all being said I'm completely green when it comes to careers so

ivory echo
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Yeah the ratio is like 2 answers per 40-60 applications generally

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Apparently some companies also do this shady thing where they post a job just to see what’s out there and how much people are asking for , not actually looking to fill a position

plucky hatch
ivory echo
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I should clarify it’s 2 positive answers (i.e. advance to interview) and this was my xp applying to a job in an industry I have 10+ years of xp in (not game dev)

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There were also like 5-7 automatic “not selected” replies

woeful iron
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we have permanent job ads

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but we also hire like 100+ people per year

pastel estuary
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@slate cove better check out the #rules as we dont allow for such posts outside of the dedicated channels.

slate cove
plucky hatch
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Does anyone here work at Behaviour Interactive?

woeful iron
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why do you keep asking about random companies lol

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what do you expect

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a referal from someone just because you're in the same discord?

chilly sundial
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just use glassdoor like the rest of us if its for a review 😅

ivory echo
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ugh, that thing is annoying, forces you to login and then says well you have to post your own job review first

chilly sundial
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it has public accounts for website like that

ivory echo
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😄

chilly sundial
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there is an account for glassdoor on there, with a review posted, and everything so you can browse in peace

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you cna block the login popup with a little adblock filter list hack, but it doesnt get rid of "post a review", so i just use bugmenot for those websites where i don't want to be tied into an account.

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i like glassdoor's philosophy in theory. give to get, but it really pissed me off when i was unemployed and scoping out companies.
"what do you mean post my current salary... I DONT HAVE ONE?!"

hardy perch
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Im gonna be studying at one of Frances top Game Design schools, what countries are good to work in game design from onwards there? I'd rather avoid staying in france, anyone here work in canada?

ivory echo
hardy perch
ivory echo
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There you have it

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Mtl is like Canada’s NYC, it’s a very big tech hub

hardy perch
hardy perch
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at least compared to the US

ivory echo
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Yes, we actually have a healthcare system

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Sure, QC French is dirtier than regular French but you won’t have trouble understanding them

hardy perch
hardy perch
ivory echo
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There’s also BioWare in Edmonton but after the EA and Anthem calamities idk how well they’re doing

ivory echo
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And given Ubi’s in France as well, they might be willing to sponsor your residency

hardy perch
hardy perch
ivory echo
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Permanent resident

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Aka Green card

hardy perch
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Oh i see

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If i have a French passport and a job offer i imagine it can't be too difficult?

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I'll marry my Canadian homie otherwise

ivory echo
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I heard they merged it with Motive but googling BioWare Edm doesn’t say anything. Then again it’s been pretty much radio silence since that disaster release

ivory echo
hardy perch
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Does the game industry ever offer like "royalties" to senior developers, i know that does happen in the cybersecurity sector but not sure about the gaming industry,

ivory echo
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Idk, but it’ll take some time and doing to get to Sr.

hardy perch
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No yeah ik ofc im just looking at the future

ivory echo
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I think companies normally own what you make entirely, but if you’re well compensated, it shouldn’t rly matter if it’s royalties

hardy perch
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im an overly ambitious person

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Ig bonuses might be a thing

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i've got some time until that anyways though 😅

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5 years for a master

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thank's a lot for your advice @ivory echo

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appreciate it

orchid flicker
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My first released game has 11 downloads

tropic citrus
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Hi everyone, I'm a game dev newb in the middle of a career switch journey. my future goal is to get a job as a programmer in the gaming industry but based on feedback ive gotten about my portfolio/resume, I've a ways to go. I completed a bootcamp program that covered the very basics of software development but im not sure where to go from here. do i focus on c++/c# right now and getting better at coding as a whole, or focus on making games and specifically focus on programming with UE5? any advice or input is welcome, please ask any questions for me as well.

nova coyote
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so i've been programming for a long while now but never made nothing to show for it (in my defence didnt know that they can help me land a job). i was wondering what kind of project i should do to prove my skill?

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like yes i can make a calculator app but i want to do something better

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something for this summer at least

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hmmm ok that makes sense. but from the job boards i've seen that all require resumes and portfolios

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i dont think it'd be smart to write "i have 3 years of experience with c++ (source:trust me bro)" without anything to demonstrate that

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hmmmm ok that's great then

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i just need to learn how to get around topics and im golden lol

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but yeah that makes sense then. i reckon you also do some live testing too right? like you propose a problem and abserve the intreviewee way of solving the issue

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at least that's what i say in one of the "hired by google" youtubers

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that does make sense but the sad reality is most companies wont hire without a portfolio or a good resume present. obviously ideally i want to be hired by a companies that doesn't do all that bs in its hiring process but these companies are not common place (at least from little i observed)

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yep. what would be in a good resume? apart from internships cause i cant have one of these here 🥲

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i reckon supporting an open source project would be a good alternative?

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yeah the thing is no software dev opportunities exist where i live. especially sense i have no CS degree yet

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and to be clear my goal rn is not to work for a high paying well know software company. i just want a job that pays

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save up money and move out. then i can worry about getting a better job

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yeah i've got this opportunity to get a patent on product im making. that should pretty up my resume lol

rustic furnace
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That makes a lot of sense actually, their process is stupidly convoluted and restrictive that you feel like you're entering in some kind of lottery

nova coyote
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that's the plan. i was hoping to find a remote job for a company

rustic furnace
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Also companies that give you a programming test they expect you to do it within a couple of hours and not in your own time (within like a week or two) are the worst. I have a fucking full-time job I can't just drop everything to do your test like I'm in uni

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That's a little better but it's also a pretty bad sign because usually that's testing your uh crunch capabilities

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As long as it gets in by the deadline and is good work I don't know why some companies obsess over the process to get the person there, especially when everyone has their own techniques and pace

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That doesn't sound too bad then

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I had one where I had to complete 5 separate programming tasks in 2 and a half hours whilst being tracked in realtime, stressful as fuck and I felt like I was sitting a programming test in uni

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Failed and then later went on to work for a significantly better company

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And that company let me do the test in my own time with a loose 1 or 2 week deadline

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The lesson there I think is that some people can be decent programmers but not good test-takers, since there's kind of a whole separate set of skills there (reading all of the questions first, prioritising which question you go for etc.)

nova coyote
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ok so ig my game plan is to learn the things that i still have some confusion over and start applying for job?

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good thing i have some experience with public speeches 😄 i'll go for it then. would it be realistic to say that i can find a job in this summer? assuming i have a somewhat ok experience with cpp

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oof yeah local conditions...well lets hope for the best then 😄

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btw thank you so much laura for your help! i legit owe you a lot for your help 🙏

oblique ice
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i got offer once before just from online interview 😆

sly olive
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/portfolio freelance

woeful iron
steady pewter
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/porrfolio enhance

plucky hatch
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Does anyone here work at Game Hive?

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Does anyone know if most employers actually read cover letters?

round radish
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They probably 1) apply some sort of ai algorithm to filter them and then 2) skim them into a "let's take another look later" pile.

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Somebody mentioned that they knew a recruited and he had 5 seconds to view each application.

ivory echo
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your cover letter prly only gets read if you get past the initial resume scan

chilly sundial
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i wouldnt be surprised if most didnt actually read it. just gave it a glance to check for effort and didnt care about the contents

plucky hatch
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Would he not miss important information?

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Everytime I hear this I cringe

chilly sundial
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a verbose cv is a bad cv

ivory echo
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Your CV needs to highlight key stuff, your cover letter is your sales pitch (selling yourself)

chilly sundial
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then if your cv passes the scan test, it gets put in the pile of applicants that get a longer review

earnest pecan
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open up canva and go to town with it

chilly sundial
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you have to remember that they get a lot of applications, to them, you are just another number.

earnest pecan
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attention grab 100

ivory echo
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people can only compute so much so when they have hundreds of applications, they either have to use some shitty ATS or quickly glance at each resume to see what stands out

chilly sundial
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why are they used so often

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i dont get them

ivory echo
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You're not wrong, but sadly, for those of us that do not have Godlike skills like you already, they're an unfortunate necessity

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oh I have ChatGPT write all of mine anyway

chilly sundial
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refusing to write cover letters sadly isnt much of an option around here. pretty much all the jobs have it as a hard requirement

ivory echo
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yeah internships help, I imagine

chilly sundial
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chatgpt has revolutionised the cover letter writing industry

plucky hatch
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I used Chat GPT as a reference

ivory echo
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I don't think they expect cover letters for internships

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at least not back then

earnest pecan
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I literally NEVER find myself using ChatGPT

plucky hatch
earnest pecan
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idk what I'm doing wrong

plucky hatch
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Why useless for coding?

earnest pecan
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I like to explain myself using 2-5 sentences because I already know that no one is going to read it

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kinda helped me a bit

plucky hatch
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I've seen poeple use it for conding on YouTube

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Who here doesn't have a job and is looking for one?

ivory echo
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the paid version is better, but so far any copilot/LLM is only useful for writing what you already know to write, just faster and less error-prone

ivory echo
plucky hatch
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If I tell people i don't have a job will they think i'm a loser?

granite solar
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Nah that's what #cpp is for

ivory echo
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lol

chilly sundial
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why do so many people equate "did it in a youtube video" to "automatically an expert in the field and should be treated like gospel" :P

round radish
chilly sundial
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Gamedev is also notoriously hard to break into

ivory echo
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yeah, I mean some might judge, but only if they don't know any better. Really it shouldn't matter to you @plucky hatch Just keep at it

granite solar
earnest pecan
plucky hatch
ivory echo
earnest pecan
ivory echo
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Christ, the first tutorial I watched was 11h long and the guy stumbled all over the place and still didn't rly accomplish the task

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but anyways off topic

plucky hatch
chilly sundial
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even though its not strictly true

plucky hatch
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I actually almost got a QA job 2 weeks ago but I got denied after the interview

earnest pecan
# plucky hatch yikes

yeah, there's a very common misconception that QA is just playing games for a living, so everyone's at it

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it's actually not just playing games