mhmm
#ue4-general
worn granite
frosty bloom
@plush yew do you know what is required to create an MMO?
worn granite
this here is a object wire that is going into an exec pin. This function compiled.
plush yew
a brain
frosty bloom
Guess i'll leave it there ๐
worn granite
When data and exec are the same thing, its brittle af.
plush yew
y but they made fortnite
plush yew
really?
storm venture
lol
worn granite
Hey @livid haven you do stuff purely in BP right
plush yew
is he from Epic xd
worn granite
but no if fortnite uses pure BP with no engine team support AT ALL I'll eat my keyboard.
worn granite
mhm.
worn granite
no it wouldn't
worn granite
nope
plush yew
yope
worn granite
They did do a thing for that
btw
but it wouldn't make sense to cripple development of a serious project for a marketing stunt.
storm venture
hey, so i have reflections from assets bleeding through walls and showing on obstructed surfaces, any quick fixes?
plush yew
oh yes
storm venture
ie. window shows reflection of asset behind a wall
plush yew
but bp are good
worn granite
they're not better than C++
plush yew
y
livid haven
Que?
worn granite
FN is pure BP with no engine team support, ya?
Also I did ping you just for an argument LEL
livid haven
Sorry, shit's on fire yo. Been super busy. Story of that employee life.
worn granite
ah myb
livid haven
NP
storm venture
i can answer for him
๏ผฎ๏ผฏ๏ผฐ๏ผฅ
livid haven
But fuck no.
I am one of the most staunch we-don't-do-serious-business-logic-in-BP types.
worn granite
took ya long enough there tyler
worn granite
darn you, edit mang
storm venture
google didnt want me to get my vaporwave gen
livid haven
I want nothing more right now that for JIRA to have an auto-complete suggestion of other similarly titles tickets
worn granite
ty for taking time out of your busy day for a petty internet argument =D
cyan merlin
I'm 90% sure that guy is trolling
livid haven
I am inundated with layers upon layers of duplicates because QA is experiencing the same issues in so many different ways and have no practical means of knowing they're all duplicates.
That karol guy?
cyan merlin
Yeah
livid haven
Nah, I think they're serious.
worn granite
I don't think they're trolling some people really do think that way
livid haven
I'll leave it at that.
worn granite
which is fine
plush yew
No im just new xd
livid haven
Because any further clarification will just end up being pretty cruel.
cyan merlin
I see
worn granite
There's tons of those visual scripting is the future people, and I'd agree if it was able to convert 1:1 with text in real time.
with full IDE features.
livid haven
And last time I had to convince someone that someone wasn't trolling and legitimately just didn't know better, we had an hour to 2 hour argument and there was a revamp of moderation on the server.
worn granite
I remember that
vale osprey
lol ๐
plush yew
lol
worn granite
<goes back to work>
broken shadow
On the visual scripting stuff:
At first i thought to myself
"Well, I'll do some BP stuff and then work my way up to true code once I'm more comfortable with the logic of it"
But I get the impression more and more I should just go straight into pure code
Like, build a basic application
livid haven
Just remember Poe's Law.
broken shadow
(Beyond just Hello World)
cyan merlin
I think visual scripting is definetly the future, but not as a replacement for coding
livid haven
TL;DR: The real thing and people making fun of the real thing are indistinguishable, especially on the internet.
cyan merlin
Yeah lol
livid haven
(So assume someone's serious initially or you'll just end up being a jerk to someone who legitimately doesn't get it)
plush yew
y
frosty bloom
When you get a grip on Coding doing logic in visual scripting kinda blows
broken shadow
yeah, i'm starting to feel how cumbersome BP can be with what I want to by my project's core mechanic
Which is character swapping at will
cyan merlin
Visual scripting isn really good for certain tasks
But thats why its not a replacement for coding, its only efficient for certain things
broken shadow
It's turning into a tangled spaghetti mess even at the most skeletal level of development
cyan merlin
Substance Designer is a good example of visual scripting being used correctly
At least in my opinion
broken shadow
But I'm happy with my BP stuff for my sprinting & slow walk functions
unreal spoke
@kindred viper So I created a new object channel "shootable" and a new collisin preset that ignores everything but static mesh and "Shootable" objects. Now how can I tell teh physics asset to be detected as "shootable"? I guess that by defualt it's detected as physics body
bitter plover
Just switched from unity to unreal. Best decision ever
vale osprey
you can manage BPs in the same way, the crappy part is a blury line of where you should stop
bitter plover
Just learning unreals take on c++
broken shadow
Repliacted, and while a tad cluttery, is mostly just due to replication rather than pins flying everywhere
plush yew
@bleak schooner i switched 3 days ago. why was it best idea?
bitter plover
Is pretty complicated compared to c#
plush yew
@bitter plover *
bitter plover
@plush yew well for whag i wanted to do it suited my needs more than unity
Dont get me wrong unity is amazing and i wont stop using it but im a learner and want to learn unreal
cyan merlin
I honestly thought the unity interface was a lot more complex and difficult to understand then unreal, but I seem to be the odd one out lol
bitter plover
Unity has a pretty clean interface
plush yew
man theres an unreal amount of chatting going on here
worn granite
get out
cyan merlin
@plush yew just kill me
plush yew
I guess ill leave
broken shadow
:D
bitter plover
Lol
worn granite
I don't think its the interface itself @cyan merlin
bitter plover
I luuuv unreals workflow
cyan merlin
I find the "compartmentalized" way unreal works where everything seems a lot more separate and have a specific use easier to folloe
I guess that actual interfaces are pretty identical
cyan merlin
Yeah I feel you
bitter plover
Not that i dont like it
cyan merlin
Unreal also feels really clunky and slow as well
bitter plover
Its just unity seemed a bit more manageable
bitter plover
Just that u need a supercomputer to run it smoothlyxD
plush yew
yeah
livid haven
Out of the box, UE4 is very heavy, for sure.
worn granite
there's playmaker for unity, I think.
cyan merlin
The unreal editor is constantly freezing and locking up for me, usually when compiling shaders and apply materials, etc
livid haven
I recall someone asking about the size of an empty UE4 game on mobile.
bitter plover
By tge time u learn playmaker u might aswell have learnt c#
cyan merlin
@plush yew true
livid haven
The answer is... not great. With a lot of tweaking, you can get it pretty light.
livid haven
But out of the box, it's nothing to sneeze at.
bitter plover
Is unreal good for mobile though
bitter plover
But what about an fps game par example
livid haven
Naturally, it's also been stripped of anything extraneous using Epic's expertise. It's hard to codify all of that knowledge and distribute it.
worn granite
mobile? Sure. With work.
2D? Eh. With work.
bitter plover
Whos been grinding out that fortnite lately though
worn granite
FPS? Yes.
livid haven
When I worked on the I18N and L10N tech, I got a lot of gripes from mobile about bloating their build sizes with localization data. :/
bitter plover
@worn granite fir mobile though
worn granite
fps mobile?
cyan merlin
I just thought of a funny comparison, unity you need to add pieces to it with addons, code, etc. Unreal you need to cut pieces out to optimize it
bitter plover
Yyp
cyan merlin
I guess you can't have both
worn granite
With work, sure.
broken shadow
That seems like a good summary of Unity vs Unreal
From everything I have seen however
(But I'm only barely above the peanut gallery)
(So, not taking myself too seriously at all)
weary basalt
Thats your answer to everything @worn granite lol
bitter plover
Unity u really need ti code ur own shaders and put in a lot of effort for good graphics
worn granite
do you disagree?
weary basalt
No ๐ฆ
worn granite
PC FPS is out of the box
livid haven
Well, yeah. With Unity it seems you need to create more of the fundamental stuff and with UE4 you get a lot more basic stuff out of the box, but you may need to strip these things or ignore them if your project doesn't quite fit whatever those systems were made for.
plush yew
cpp is c++
livid haven
@bitter plover You don't want to ask that question here
cyan merlin
.h is header file
livid haven
You really should take a starter course on C++ of some sort.
worn granite
but really you don't wanna go there
bitter plover
Wht not @worn granite
livid haven
That's really fundamental stuff. Not that we can't answer it, but we'll answer it and you'll have 500 more questions.
worn granite
Cause nobody likes explaining the basics 100x times
bitter plover
Feel like im about to be beheaded for asking dat question
plush yew
you would be better learning blueprint first
worn granite
no my axe is dull its less work to be civil rn
plush yew
and c++ later
worn granite
disagree
unreal spoke
@kindred viper and got that working too ๐
bitter plover
Oh i spent a week learning blueprint but wanna learn c++
weary basalt
Whats stopping you?
bitter plover
I do know c# and java though
weary basalt
Go and grab an book or watch Youtube tutorials
cyan merlin
Try learning normal c++ first then jumping into unreal when you got the basocs
livid haven
Go for it, just saying you should learn some C++ basics first or you'll be asking a thousand super fundamental questions every 5 minutes that you could learn faster yourself with some Google/udemy/YouTube/a book.
livid haven
Also, the real answer to the H vs CPP question literally takes like 30 minutes to an hour to fully explain.
But the "here's what you need to know to get shit done" is like 30 seconds in a tutorial.
bitter plover
I know the basic fundamentals from c# and java just never seen .cpp and .h before
livid haven
It's a very specific thing particular to C++ and the fact that its lineage comes from 1970s/1980s.
bitter plover
From what ive seen is that the .h is where u creat le the variables and functuons etc then use these in .cpp
livid haven
Declarations in H. Definitions in CPP. Generally.
bitter plover
Noice
livid haven
But it's also not exactly that simple. It's just mostly that simple.
worn granite
.h and .cpp don't have to mean anything if you don't want them to. You can swap them if you really wanna, or just have one file. Don't do that. But if you wanted to, you could.
worn granite
<conventionally> they have very important meanings.
livid haven
It's a convention.
A long standing, well established, universally known convention.
And UE4 itself depends on said convention or you'll break things.
surreal viper
"But if you wanted to, you could."
nope you could not
not with unreal anyway
you can't really include a cpp to another afaik, what the hell would you do, write your own program to a single file?
worn granite
There's a lot of dumb things you can do.
worn granite
Pretty sure - at least outside of UE4 - #include "SomeFile.cpp" compiles AND works.
manic pawn
unity builds work by including a bunch of cpp files in another
worn granite
^
Maybe UE4 does some kind of quick enforcement
like it will for including the same header in all C++ files pre IWYU
cloud cobalt
So the reason headers exist is that in C or C++, the idea is that every .cpp file is compiled separately. .h files aren't compiled directly. They're included by other .cpp files to declare functionality that's in a separate module, that is, separate .cpp file
After all cpps are compiled, they're linked together
manic pawn
I also recently found this ungodly hack when looking how to make a standalone program thingy https://i.imgur.com/7CPyqNK.png
surreal viper
well include basically just copies stuff
cloud cobalt
.h files are essentially tools to share definition of methods, classes, etc to other classes
You can definitely declare classes in a .cpp file
And use them
And never have a header file ever
In the real world you always need to share everything anyway so headers are almost always used
The process of compiling C, and C++ by extension, is ungodly
It's a real mess honestly
livid haven
Without headers, you would duplicate declarations by hand hundreds or thousands of times.
They're a somewhat hacky solution to a problem that existed decades ago and wouldn't anymore if C++ were willing to say goodbye to decades of legacy support.
And reinvent all compilers.
(We're saying the same thing, just chiming in late)
cloud cobalt
Technically, C++ is kind of supposed to be looking at maybe trying one day to think about looking for alternatives
Maybe
cloud cobalt
But modules have been pushed back for too much time for it to ever happen
cyan merlin
ahh ive crashed again
it says its running out of video memory
but it showed my GPU not really being used
maybe thats because it cleared the GPU as soon as it crashed?
plush yew
Try updating it
cyan merlin
its also saying im using 60-70% of my memory when its around 7-8gb total usage
I have 16gb
not like that should be affecting texture memory
dry wraith
Can anyone help me find the correct paperwork I would need to have my team members sign so that I could lead a team of developers and not have to worry about them suing me and stuff?
grim sinew
No but your lawyer can.
safe rose
1-800-LAWYERS
dry wraith
Really? No easier way huh
safe rose
Maybe Googling for the lawyers
ionic oxide
safe rose
No research required. You still need legal counsel.
latent granite
How long would it take to learn blueprints?
grim sinew
Exactly 8.
latent granite
?
grim sinew
Kidding. Really though, depends on you, your programming background, how many hours you put into it, what you define as "learning" (whether it be basic functionality or making a full game), etc.
It's an impossible question to answer.
grim sinew
Anywhere from a week to two years.
worn granite
I'd say....
It takes you the amount of time it takes you.
Seriously. Your question can only be answered via tautology
worn granite
8 mo
latent granite
Ok.
worn granite
if you keep asking as much through the entire process, it'll take you 3 years
=D
Source of information shouldn't change much.... if you watch the right videos.
If you learn bad habits expect to tack on 30% of the time, or more.
Like if you learn something similar to what leads to this.
livid haven
BP is visual scripting
So it's like any scripting system - of course there are many ways to do the same thing, but doing it in a semantically expressive fashion is best.
manic pawn
if your bp ever starts looking like one of these, probably best to trash it and start over https://blueprintsfromhell.tumblr.com/
worn granite
trash it, stop watching the channels you're watching, go learn more text-based scripting/programming.
livid haven
The first example there is a material and it looks fine, regardless of being wasteful.
velvet prism
vivid girder
Just finished a write-up on the most common Myths in Modeling for Games
https://www.sondergames.com/single-post/2018/05/22/7-Myths-in-Modeling-for-Games
fervent owl
Hey guys can i ask for help
does any one know how to go about creating a AI system simmalar to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Dtpbl2cls
Help will be greatly appreciated
trail grotto
good night friends
plush yew
Sadly I dunno how to do stuff like that
tranquil sierra
Hellow!
warm mountain
Hey all i understand the more shader instruction the more intensive it is on the processor, in that sense i have 3 questions.
I assume if a material is going to be used for many meshes, it makes sense to create a master material with all the flexibility needed to project over these meshes and minimize the number of things the system needs to call on but for more performance heavy materials?
But considering there could be a huge number of material instances derived from a single master material containing all those instructions but not necessarily using all the functions. Would it be more optimal sometimes to reduce the number of material instances and substitute it with decals?
So if I have a master material for most of my concrete assets and I need to make about 25 material instances but i could reduce it to maybe 5 material instances but 20 decal materials would that be more optimal?
plush yew
Yes
golden sundial
Hi there!
tranquil sierra
hi
golden sundial
is there any writers here? for a small project (like an Interactive Fiction)
woeful oar
Is there a way to do input without having to set it up in the Project Settings? What do plugins do?
plain forge
quig you mean just like a key press or something?
woeful oar
@plain forge Yeah, just like pressing the "A" key or something.
plain forge
in blueprints just type the key and look for key events I think its called
woeful oar
I use code unfortunately.
plain forge
oh mybad nvm then lol
woeful oar
I guess I should learn Blueprints eventually, lol. That's what makes it so difficult to google things.
Thanks for the help.
keen frigate
Morning everyone and happy birthday to Unreal ๐ ๐ฐ ๐
regal mulch
@woeful oar Why don't you want to use inputs through settings?
They allow you to let your players rebind keys
woeful oar
@regal mulch It's not really important that they rebind the keys. It just needs a few keypresses for an example scene.
I guess the example level could be an example project.
Nah, that can't be it. It can't load a project into a project, that seems wrong.
keen frigate
@plush yew Hey ๐ and btw Unreal Gold is free on steam (ignore the price in the link). Carry on ๐ https://store.steampowered.com/app/13250/Unreal_Gold/
worn ocean
hey anyone here a seller from Unreal Marketplace? hows the money?
plain forge
@keen frigate thanks for the heads up I am playing it now lol, never played the OG unreal before
oh it crashed ๐ฆ
tranquil sierra
Hmm I have an issue. I have a cameravolume. Inside are all kind of nodes And stuff called bp_cameramovementY. Now I want to create a second blueprint with the same nodes And stuff but slightly different. So for test. I duplicate the bp_cameramovementY to bp_cameramovementX And I donโt change anything. So iT should halve the same usage as the X. Now If i implement the new box i And test i Get This error
I Just copied the blueprint And gave iT a new name.
plush yew
today more learning of Unreal
tranquil sierra
indeed ๐
making stupid mistakes and learn from it
"accesed none trying to read property Camera from function"
plush yew
Yeah im at blender
keen frigate
@plain forge It wouldn't be Unreal if it didn't ๐
storm venture
yo can someone sauce me some criticism on this
plush yew
@whole quarry you think I can include Ivona speech program in my game that i will profit on?
or its illegal
signal pier
Man this chat is unreal... bet yall havent heard that one before anyways hello and goodbye
keen frigate
@plush yew If profit is the reason you're into game dev then you should look for another profession.
keen frigate
Same thing applies then.
There is a 99% chance you will either not finish your game or make any profit if you do finish and release it.
paper kernel
not having licenceis the opposite of profit
whole quarry
@plush yew forget what others do. If you tend to make a buck of something you need to have the right license...
storm venture
me and my dozens of abandoned projects can agree with suto
whole quarry
he says game dev is his passion, yet he talks more about making profit
whole quarry
that looks a lot better ๐
storm venture
woohoo, thanks ๐
plush yew
I imported blender model into ue4 and its like that https://i.imgur.com/UFE5Zg3.png
But in blender its a tree (all these above connected)
anyone knows what could be wrong
plush yew
Great, thanks !
whole quarry
just join the meshes together before exporting? ๐
plush yew
thats hard
plush yew
oh thanks
whole quarry
did you UVed them and made lightmap?
plain forge
slightly off topic, is blender the go to now for most modeling? When I was working with source like 8 years ago I had 3dsmax but last time I checked it was like 3.5K$ for a legit copy
whole quarry
if you have no budget, Blender is the way to go
novel cobalt
can't answer that but man have i been seeing a lot of people using it lately
and it's apparently gotten a lot better recently too
whole quarry
if you have budget but like to remain sane, Blender is the way
Soon it gets a better render viewport too (EEVEE), so no ugly slow rendering anymore
wish I had more time (and motivation) to make more UE4 & Blender tutorials ๐
plain forge
Do you have existing tuts up somewhere?
Im just getting into blender and need all the tuts I can get my hands on lol
whole quarry
just very basics, search on youtube for unrealblender
import/export stuff
and what settings to use when exporting to FBX
tho... needs a update
plain forge
alright Ill take a look, I made a 5 piece box with a skeleton with a basic animation and somehow screwed that up importing somewhere haha
whole quarry
I didnt do anything with animations yet for a tutorial
Still need to figure out how to manage different animations in a blender file
plush yew
Remco do your models require movable lighting too
Otherwise they are black
On static lights
whole quarry
never had that problem?
But I make sure to make a lightmap too on atleast 512ยฒ resolution
in UE4, if needed, I just set the Lightmap channel to the right one and set the resolution to the right number
plush yew
Lightmap channel?
whole quarry
yes... Lightmap needs a UV, a model can have multiple UV's
whole quarry
if you have no lightmap made when importing a mesh, you've to enable the option to Generate Lightmap
whole quarry
tho out of my head, just go in Blender.. select the mesh, go in Edit more, go on the right to the UV Channels, add channel and select new one. hit U in the viewport and click on Lightmap.. set a decent resolution (doesnt need to be higher then 512 unless its a really big mesh) and done.
better results that way
plain forge
just curious, if your scene has a light in it when you export will that mess with it? I know my scenes by default start with one
whole quarry
no, thats only when you want to bake stuff
you want to only have the selected objects exported
plain forge
oh ok just checking I wasnt sure
Ive exported an entire 1 model so far so I am still learning lol
whole quarry
imho, when you open blender and it has the light, camera and cube, select all, delete it
and save the startup file
so everytime when you start a new Blend, it starts with a empty scene
I've send you a PM with usefull basic stuff
plush yew
You mean this? https://i.imgur.com/wsy10nS.png
stone pilot
I'm trying to open a map I made previously in my project. When clicking it unreal starts loading it but it gets stuck after a while. Now my colleague has no issue opening the same map. Is there something I can delete so unreal regenerates it?
whole quarry
@plush yew yes, that one
plush yew
okay
this is getting incredibly fucking annoying now
Its been going on for months and no one has found a fix
Yea that helped thanks @whole quarry
Got a quick question
What's the difference between the sequencer and the matinee?
whole quarry
@plush yew let me google that for you: https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/458238/the-difference-between-sequencer-matinee.html
plush yew
Oh, guess I'm not the only one that thought that
whole quarry
always google first ๐
plain forge
plush yew
Ohh
plain forge
used that at work alot lol
plush yew
Thank goodness
I'd rather use the sequencer
The matinee is too rough looking
Thanks
tidal cape
tranquil sierra
:p always quick questions :p
plush yew
tranquil sierra
I do the same :p ahahaha
plush yew
bump
plain forge
^ I ran into a similar problem last night, would also like to know how to fix this
plush yew
Still cant select what blueprint type
Its been like this for several months
Its actually stopping me from working on shit I need to work on
whole quarry
@plush yew reinstall engine?
plush yew
Im using a custom version of ue4
its more complicated than you think
so cant reinstall the engine
whole quarry
Then debug and rebuild it
tranquil sierra
custom version? :p
whole quarry
People can take the source code of the engine and build their own custom versiom from it
Like ARK are running a custom one IIRC
plush yew
this is becoming aggrivating
i accidently clicked something
How could that cause my UI to fuck up incredibly bad
fervent owl
any one know how to make a range caracter from scratch. im trying to make a mage cast spells
plush yew
fucking top kek
plain forge
its cause your windows isnt activated
fervent owl
i mean i need to make a casting caracter. wizzard. i have the caracter and animations just have no idea how to go about making it cast spells at playable caracter.
fervent owl
if ya have a fev sec i can show ya on my screen
plain forge
@plush yew just to check it off, have you tried reset window layout?
plush yew
yes
woeful oar
@fervent owl spawn an object, throw the object, if its hits a person, deal damage? You really aren't going to be able to ask such general questions that you are asking. There's a million ways to go about creating a mage character.
plush yew
no im saying the damn window is MASSIVE
plush yew
hold on
one silly question๐ -is everyone can post link when stream in the #share-your-stream
your fucking me
plain forge
just tested this
hit alt + space
then M
then use arrow keys to move the window
then resize when top is in view
whole quarry
@plush yew If you make a new project, is the problem in there too?
plush yew
let me check
whole quarry
if not, it might be worth a shot to use the .ini's of the new project and put them in the problem-project
(not all ofcourse .. ๐ )
I would assume/think its the EditorPerProjectUserSettings.ini
or Editor.ini
plush yew
im checking to see if it happens in a new project
if it does then its the engine
then ill be really mad since i spent alot of time getting it just right
whole quarry
if its in the engine, we'll collect kerosine and make the greatest fire ever known to man, people on mars can see it with their naked eyes. Its going to be huge.
plush yew
LMFAO
okay
nope doiesnt happen in new project
ill see if transferring config files fixes it
plush yew
lol
FUCK
im gonna cry
it worked beautifully
thanks
finally, after months of trying to fix it, someone came up with a solution
whole quarry
๐
plush yew
you have no idea how much it bugged me
whole quarry
im happy it works ๐
whole quarry
you can always restore the problem back ๐
plush yew
oof
nah
id rather keep an ugly layout with functionality than a beautiful layout without any functionality
whole quarry
programmer mindset vs designer mindset ๐
rearranging the UI is something default these days
i.e. i prefer the viewport big and on the right with the tools on the right and bottom
plush yew
I prefer a list of all available assets on the left side
it helps alot
I have a SHIT TON of assets
thats why I liked it that way, helps me get organized
plain forge
Im so used to hammers 4 screen layout for making BSP maps, this is a whole new world for me
whole quarry
thanks, now i've the Aladdin song in my head, a whole new world..
plain forge
almost as old as hammer lol
whole quarry
uff, with 40k models I wont stop optimizing with adding infinite amount of LOD's
whole quarry
๐
whole quarry
needs paperbag to breath
plush yew
Hello guys again I have an other question when I want to create a map not map as level, map when will have to exlore terrains and collecting materials and etc-how this can c reate in UE 4?
Not to mention the size of the assets on my drive
400gb of assets lmao
whole quarry
holy, thats a lot
plain forge
thats 4 bf1 installs with all dlc
plush yew
yep
whole quarry
@plush yew do you use a translator or something? I dont understand what your question is
whole quarry
@plush yew you work on battlefront??
plush yew
damn
yeah
I don't use English translator I am Bulgarian and I speak and write English so U want to create a similar map as example but I don't know how
heres Han Solo
as in the game LastDayOnEarth
hair alphas didnt render correctly
whole quarry
kind of dissapointed now that your name is Landwalker and not Sunkiller ๐
plain forge
Luke Averageman
plush yew
I found some PC screenshots of Haze on my hdd btw
Dont ask me how I got all this stuff
lmao
latent moth
Can anyone give me a pointer on where to start understanding how to have an helicopter auto-piloted. A fixed path is totally fine. Couldn't understand what to start looking for...
latent moth
i doubt that would get a realistic flight though
would it?
i'm thinking something that would still have physics effects to it like bending when going forward etc
latent moth
So the idea is to have a spline generated depending on destination and then attach the AI to it?
keen birch
Luke, why do you consistently end up bragging abut your illegal achievements?
plush yew
- Not illegal
keen birch
Ripping assets from other games is not something to parade around with
keen birch
- is absolutely invalid
plush yew
I dont care
keen birch
Who gave them to you, then?
I'm guessing it wasn't a person who had the certifications to give those assets to you
plush yew
Thats where you wrong kiddo
keen birch
So, who/what gave you those assets?
plush yew
Why do you care so much? All you need to know is its legal
keen birch
I know that there's a lot of people who think or argue things are legal when they aren't
And the fact that you're so hesitant to say how you got this stuff makes it mildly suspicious
In my opinion
If I just see all of these things being posted here, my first thing is "How in the living hell is that legal?"
wary wave
the Battlefront 3 assets would be either owned by EA or Crytek at this point
plush yew
The assets were never even owned by Lucasarts to begin with. Lucasarts/any Lucas company did not make contracts with FRD, FRD made contracts
wary wave
that's an employment contract
keen birch
That that confidentiality almost certainly also stretches to that you have ACCESS to those assets?
wary wave
like I said, either Crytek or EA would own those assets at present
keen birch
And that could be any contract
plush yew
And they certainly know about the project
keen birch
If you are indeed an employee at the owner of the assets
That would still not make it legal for you to parade around using them personally
That is, under almost every employment contract, illegal
And if these assets were made by, for instance, a third party freelancing company
Then I'm pretty darn sure that company will have signed over the rights to EA/Crytek
In which case it is, yet again, illegal
plush yew
Well jesus fuck me for using assets to create a game for myself
keen birch
You're claiming it's legal
Of course I'm going to trip over that
Because it's blatantly not
wary wave
those assets would be protected by the very confidentiality clause in the above images, assuming the contract is a relevant one
keen birch
If you're going to do illegal things, don't go promoting them publicly, keep it to yourself
^^
plush yew
@wary wave the company that it refers to is defunct
wary wave
the contract is still legally binding
keen birch
That doesn't invalidate the contract
keen birch
It's probably a third-party that worked on the game or something
But the point stands
That third party almost certainly gave up rights
And that third-party's contract would still be binding, regardless of the company being defunct
plush yew
When FRD was bought, the Star Wars licensed wasnt brought with them. It stayed with Lucasarts, which again, did not make contracts with FRD
wary wave
the assets however, don't magically become a free for all
keen birch
^
IP != assets != right of usage wherever you want
None of these things are related to each other
wary wave
those assets would still belong to FRD, even if they didn't have the rights to use them
plush yew
Currently no one owns these assets, and if it was illegal, then the assets wouldve been taken down by now, along with developers being forced to return their work
wary wave
dude, you are way out of your depth here
plush yew
also, who said I didnt get the assets from FRD?
keen birch
There is no such thing as "no one owns these assets"
You didn't
You flat-out didn't
plush yew
lol
Yes I did
I was given assets from employees of FRD
not by just one
but by many people
from concepts to builds to animations to models
all of the above
keen birch
And they had no right to give you those assets
You weren't given those assets BY FRD
You were given those assets by people of FRD who weren't legally capable of giving you those assets
Pretty damn sure about that
plush yew
You are still complaining abiout the fact that im using assets on a private project that is only available to me and a few of my friends
keen birch
I am complaining about the fact that you're parading it publicly
plush yew
It would only become a problem for me if I shared them publicly
wary wave
you're sharing images of them right here, in public
plush yew
Am I sharing assets? no
wary wave
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
keen birch
plush yew
Images of a game that was released
thats like saying its illegal to share images of Battlefront 2 EA
plush yew
fuck me
keen birch
Except EA give permission for that
They did NOT however give permission for assets to be shown out-of-game context
plush yew
http://thevaultproject.bplaced.net/ tell that to the creator of this site
keen birch
In fact, I'm pretty sure that that's explicitly illegal in the game's TOS
keen birch
Yeah, that's pretty darn illegal
plush yew
still hasnt been taken down
keen birch
The fact that other people do it doesn't mean that you should
plush yew
Im sure if they REALLY cared they would do something
plush yew
yes but posting images of a model is not even remotely close to murder
you cant draw comparisons like that
keen birch
What you're doing is illegal
What kind of action it is is absolutely irrelevant
It's illegal
That's my point
plush yew
Okay, if I stop, then you can tell everyone else here that is making a fan made project of some random IP to stop posting their stuff here too
keen birch
Don't know if you've been paying attention, but we generally do
plush yew
Havent seen admins complain about people posting fan made stuff here yet
Ive been posting my stuff here for months
latent granite
What is the problem?
plush yew
I havent gotten any of the admins PMing me to stop posting stuff here
keen birch
Fan-made stuff != ripped stuff
wary wave
it's actually in the Discord group rules
keen birch
Fan-made stuff is already on the edge
keen birch
And we always advise people not to do that stuff here
keen birch
But game-assets that you're using privately....
latent granite
as long as you don't call it yours.
keen birch
That's jut wrong
wary wave
@latent granite - ripping assets from games you own, for your own private educational purposes is legal in most jurisdictions
latent granite
models*
plush yew
I am doing it for educational purposes
wary wave
acquiring assets from elsewhere, or distributing assets on the other hand, is not
plush yew
I am not publicly giving out this stuff
keen birch
Publicly showing this stuff is already illegal
keen birch
Purposes are completely irrelevant here
latent granite
it's fine
keen birch
It's not like it's under some non-commercial license
latent granite
i've seen so many fan made games.
keen birch
It's under a license that you flat-out cannot use it
plain forge
just out of curiosity what's the difference between fan-made and a mod?
keen birch
That'd depend
plain forge
not trying to start shit just asking lol
keen birch
When I say fan-made I mean assets someone makes themselves
plush yew
know it all speaks for the 50th time
keen birch
Sigh
You know
You could also take this and not be rude about it
Disagreeing is one thing
plush yew
You are the only one who has brought up shit about this
Everyone was contempt about it until you said something
keen birch
Calling me out on giving you absolutely justified comments about your illegalities... Wellp
wary wave
@plain forge - you'd need to think about more specific terms, since arguably all mods are 'fan made', hehe
keen birch
^
wary wave
if you use an IP other than that of the game though, you're liable for trouble since it's IP infringement
I think the best example was the Halo CnC Generals mod
they were sort of supported by Bungie for a while
novel cobalt
fanmade would be like fanart of an IP in game form
wary wave
then smacked with a cease and desist later
keen birch
That doesn't make them legal
plush yew
Anyway im still going to post my stuff here
latent granite
For download
latent granite
From games.
novel cobalt
mod would be modifying an existing game - including total conversions that are enough to be their own game
plush yew
you dont see me posting child porn in this server....
latent granite
I'm saying that 3d models from games isn't as exetreme
I'm just saying
It's for use of fan art ect.
novel cobalt
the thing about fan made work is - it's up to the holder of the IP's discretion whether or not they choose to crack down on something. There's gray areas for a lot of fan-games out there so long as they aren't making a profit. With some exceptions that get occasional C&D letters.
plush yew
yes i know
latent granite
All of fan games that try and publish it
plush yew
GiT was the only star wars game i can think of that was shut down
latent granite
will be shutdown
novel cobalt
they are but it's up to the IP holder's discretion
plush yew
mainly because of the publicity stunt it tried pulling off
plain forge
So like the recent halo online thing would be classified as fan made I assume?
plush yew
Every other star wars fan game ive seen though hasnt been touched
even other bf3 remakes
novel cobalt
Lets Play videos are technically 'illegal' - but they are in a gray area because companies decided they benefit them
keen birch
Most companies give explicit permission for video footage etc
wary wave
@plain forge - the recent Halo online thing was basically piracy
(and has been legally served)
yeah
plush yew
It was still upsetting
wary wave
it's been given a cease and desist order, so they ignore it at their peril
keen birch
They explicitly give permission
novel cobalt
I can't think of any examples but there are third party games full of IP stuff that companies dont C&D
like 'I wanna be the guy'
latent granite
It's simple
plush yew
Ive said it multiple times before
keen birch
And check if they'll allow it
plush yew
They know about the project
cursive dirge
I like how Luke's so in denial
keen birch
Pretty sure they won't
cursive dirge
so many people have complained
novel cobalt
I mean examples of companies actively tolerating fan games of their IP
keen birch
I know, right?
cursive dirge
he doesn't get it
keen birch
I'm not the first to bring this up to him
wary wave
Bungie knew about Halo Generals for years and even featured them on their website
keen birch
I'm pretty sure I've seen this before with him
plush yew
you are the first person to bring this up
cursive dirge
we don't want people posting stuff like that, he doesn't care
novel cobalt
some companies solicit fan game contests of their games tho - like the serious sam demake contest
wary wave
still served them with a cease and desist order later, lol
cursive dirge
if I were admin here, he'd be gone months ago already
keen birch
Same
plush yew
god how did i piss you off?
keen birch
"Kiddo"
cursive dirge
I've brought the same thing up months ago
keen birch
"Know it all"
plush yew
oh not you
cursive dirge
you got a serious attitude issue
keen birch
Saying we're flat out wrong when we're not
^
Calling one person out can piss others off, too, you know
plush yew
I only have an attitude problem when people try to tell me shit without knowing the backstory
cursive dirge
so, as the mods don't act
cursive dirge
I just suggest you block him
keen birch
When people are dicks to others here, that generally doesn't leave me liking them
cursive dirge
that's what I did anyway
plush yew
If you dont like me, block me
wary wave
"If you share something that you havenโt made yourself, be clear about it in the text of your post. We believe that the artists, creators and developers of awesome content deserve to be credited, not the first one who happens to share a link. Discussion of piracy or pirated content is a touchy subject, if there is any hint of exchange of pirated content you will be removed immediately without warning. Do not encourage piracy of content, do not share pirated content. Distributing pirated content is a crime."
keen birch
This is EXACTLY why I said it
wary wave
it's right there in the Discord group rules
keen birch
You're not allowed to get into the backstory
plush yew
Richard Smith made ferroda
novel cobalt
i always try to credit the creators of anything i post anywhere on social media generally speaking
plush yew
Im just blocking you
this is getting really annoying
I hate it when people think they know everything that goes on without doing their research
cursive dirge
like I said, Luke's in full denial
it's pointless to try to argue with him
just ignore him
novel cobalt
isn't this room supposed to be about unreal engine chat tho - this seems like lounge room chat?
tall pendant
Guys, It's obvious an pointless waste of time to argue with that dude. Just Ignore him and move on in life. No need to clutter the channel.
latent granite
yeah..
plush yew
oof
novel cobalt
I'm not contributing anything to this so I'm one to talk. I poked in to see if there was anything interesting unreal related posted here to check out
prime grove
hello guys i wanna make a video about my new multiplayer game and i need people for playing with. game info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHlgkVblDkY&t
keen birch
Nah, there wasn't
plush yew
Well im still posting content here, and I will still be giving credit to people who worked on the assets
latent granite
nice
plush yew
as per rules
novel cobalt
@prime grove taking a peek decode!
prime grove
ok thanks ๐
latent granite
looks cool
cursive dirge
new subject is also breaking the rules
latent granite
oof
keen birch
It's advertisement, and the sixth time I've seen this in the past few days
latent granite
ok then
keen birch
:/
prime grove
new verison
latent granite
?
keen birch
So yeah, mainly, Decode, post a bit less often ;3
novel cobalt
What the video post?
tall pendant
@prime grove might wanna post ads for your project in #work-in-progress instead of #ue4-general (see server rules)
cursive dirge
tbh, I think we should have showcase instead of work-in-progress
latent granite
Did you use blueprints?
novel cobalt
Where could people post something like that feasibly tho
keen birch
Yeah
cursive dirge
as work-in-progress isn't so suitable for finished projects
prime grove
ok
novel cobalt
ohhh right yeah #work-in-progress would be perfect for that
keen birch
Not in this server, that's sort of the thing
But if anywhere, #work-in-progress
And not every day
prime grove
ok
plush yew
latent granite
.
keen birch
^ Us talking to you
novel cobalt
long as I'm here I might as well read what mods and others have to say about conduct for the rooms - i am going to be doing gamedev work in unreal soon and so will be frequenting around here more for learning and tips
keen birch
For learning and questions this is an awesome place to be
General game-dev discussions as well
Showcasing without wanting any negative comments, bit less
plush yew
not for showing off work though
keen birch
Basically
keen birch
There's a reason there's an explicit rule about advertising
plush yew
youll just be interrogated
keen birch
Aaand now you're just running with it and exagerating
plush yew
Im having my fun...
wary wave
if you want to show off your work, there's a channel for it
plush yew
luckily I have nothing to show off
whole quarry
Im away for a few min and things explode..
wary wave
haha
plush yew
yeah pretty much
welcome to discord
where the other person your tlaking to is always wrong no matter what
plain forge
I think thats just the internet
whole quarry
I havenr seen @plush yew so it cant be that bad right?
plush yew
if you dont share the same opinion as them, oh well, your an idiot
whole quarry
Hehe, its worse when dutch people spar over an idea
keen birch
We should just get a #dutch-ideas channel
plush yew
also before anyone says anything else
Im def not the worst person you will meet in your life
whole quarry
"Your idea is stupid, you are stupid and your hair is stupid".
plush yew
sums up the world pretty much
whole quarry
Wouldnt be fun if there is no challenge
plush yew
oh
speaking of which
I had this one crazy lady trying to talk to me
seriosuly pissed me off today
keen birch
It wasn't me, right? ๐
plush yew
she just followed me around insutling me lol
no
it was in public
Like she just started following me and screamed at me calling me a douchebag, i didnt even know this person lmao
whole quarry
sounds like someone has a crush on you
plush yew
LMOA
i mean
shes not wrong that im a douchebag, i know i am
But this lady was CRAZY bro
you wouldve had to have been there, at the end I just told her to fuck off and she went away. Still, people in this world dont understand that doing that isnt acceptable
plain forge
So I asking in animation but it doesnt seem like anyone there knew, is there a way to modify animations without breaking bones in UE4 or do I need to it in blender?
plush yew
blender
plain forge
Basically I just want to take the fps template hands and turn it into a punching animation
plush yew
although you want to do animation in maya, its alot easier
whole quarry
@plain forge In that case you would want to make a new animation in Blender
wary wave
Shouldn't need to break any bones? Why would you need to do that?
plush yew
he literally wants to break the characters bones
whole quarry
Maya might be easier, but it's very expensive imho
plain forge
I figured I would have to make a new one, when I try to modify the skeleton in UE I can rotate no problem but when I try to move joints they come apart
IE: I want to move the hand out it comes off the arm instead of the arm flexing with it
viral herald
is anyone valible ot help me out?
plush yew
https://i.imgur.com/AJ51HVe.png on left default blender box model and on right my tree from blender, why texture works this bad for tree?
its same texture
viral herald
im having some troublw with my anim bp
the character goes to idle, though the movement wont work
keen birch
The default rig is absolutely horrid for blender users
keen birch
Oh, @whole quarry
viral herald
like i would walk forward bit it doesnt register in the animtion blueprint
viral herald
lol
plush yew
i cant find any short tutorial
keen birch
Swap out the weapon mesh, if need be, swap out the animation blueprint
plush yew
https://youtu.be/GvthAFhlZiM?t=1m42s anyone know how to get something similiar to this, where you go near a weapon, widget shows up, then you can swap the weapon (sorry for ear rape in advance)
keen birch
And change some rate-of-fire properties which you store in whatever way you want
Ah like that
Uh
keen birch
Linetrace or sphere overlap or whatever
And then you drop an actor for the current weapon
And delete the actor for the one you're picking up
plain forge
jesus the bass in that video
keen birch
And take on the properties for the one you're picking up