on AGameMode
#ue4-general
plush yew
its never transfered from a client
to server
its created in game mode, owned byu client
cloud cobalt
Depends on how you do it, really
But "travelling" keep the PC
If you do "open level" then yeah, might not be super persistent π
cinder iron
from my experiments PC will not survive between level loads, at least the input stack does reset. You will have a couple frames where the controller is not there even though it's meant to be persistent, not the same with seamless travelling though. Also between menu and your level, if you want to do what Stranger suggests your controller would need to be the same
plush yew
yea
you can actually
delete a controller
from a character lol
like thats what i do on my AI
i literally delete the ai contorllers
cloud cobalt
Well, have fun
plush yew
to save on performance
fierce tulip
rocky kayak
reading the blog on qube2, "With a small art team and around 5-7 hours worth of environments to build" what does 5-7 hours of building environments mean here?
certainly does not mean they worked 5-7 hours on it only, no?
grim ore
5-7 hours of gameplay
rocky kayak
is that an actual unit of measurement in terms of artdesign? 5-7 hours of gameplay for me in skyrim involves 1 city and mabey a side quest's dungeon for example
grim ore
depending on the game yes. Skyrim would be different than qube2 tho as this is a linear puzzle game.
for something linear you could go "each puzzle should take about X time" and we want X puzzles spread over X environments. Each environment takes Y to make.
rocky kayak
ahh i see that makes perfect sense
plush yew
holy
fucking
shit
i
found it out
U have to use FAudioDevice
and create a FActiveSound
time to test
spare blade
Anyone know if UV maps need to be contained in a 0-1 normalized range?
How about light map do they need to stay in a normalized range too?
fierce tulip
lightmap yes
texture no
imagine a world where the texture also always needs to stay within 0-1
oh god
floral heart
It's somewhat pointless using outer UVs with a lightmap where you can't have overlaps/tiling.
spare blade
So my UV textures can be layed out beyond the 0-1 range but the lightmaps canβt?
fierce tulip
yup
spare blade
Thanks guys
floral heart
Now I want to encode data in a non-normalized lightmap UV map. :3 Not sure what that would be called.
floral heart
lightmapUV = UV[1].normalize
magicScalar = UV[1].length
south ridge
@Dementiurge#1853 I encode data in UV's
Some arbitrary data
@Dementiurge#1853 also that doesn't work haha. Lightmap UV's need two scalars, so no matter how you spin it, you will need to provide two scalars
"normalize" and "length" both return effectively a scalar value (direction and length)
plush yew
So for some reason
I call all 3 of these
in my game instance::init()
which also has a timer running on the client side every 3 seconds
it never calls any of these
floral heart
Normalize should return a normalized 2d vector
it might work if your UVs are on a quarter-circle centered on 0,0
south ridge
@Dementiurge#1853 yes, but lightmaps are 2D
Not 1D π
The result of normalize, despite having two coordinates, has only one scalar dimension (direction)
floral heart
Oh right. It'd be on the line of the circle. Ulp.
south ridge
It would work if you were lightmapping a circle though
floral heart
If the lightmap was 2x2, it would be able to sample 3 of the pixels. π
75% lightmap usage, not bad (in elbonia)
viscid fern
anyone want to take a shot at this comment? "Researching optimization in UE4 and FPS was and is a LIE!!" lol
plush yew
woops
wrong channel
lol
you saw nothing
waiting for unreal to compile
is literally cancer
almost been 1 minute 30 seconds on this song
im listening to lel
actual cancer
tough quiver
: )
plush yew
3 mins now
π
come watch my twitch stream
come see compiling
thats literally it
viscid fern
loading bar strem
tribal sapphire
i dont know if this is the right chat for this, but when i try to import an asset, the settings menu appears with alot of the settings cut off, and in such a position that i cant move it so i can see everything...also, other windows, when opened, tend to inaccurately open/dont save their position when i open them, which i then just adjust them, but is there a way to fix that too?
viscid fern
^
plush yew
It's a UI thing right?
Not slate?
2>Reflection code generated for VeritexEditor in 352.3906677 seconds
π
tribal sapphire
i'm not sure wut you mean by slate, but i guess it is UI, any window i open tends to do this to some degree or another
tribal sapphire
the window on the left is the problem; i cant move it to see all the settings
plush yew
OK
tribal sapphire
i mean right
tribal sapphire
'the title bar isnt visible
plush yew
right click
tribal sapphire
this may sound dumb, but i cant
viscid fern
try saving project and Edit > Editor Preferences > Miscellaneous > Reset UI Layout
tribal sapphire
i'll try that...ty
plush yew
Lol
fierce tulip
cant you move it with winkey + arrows
tribal sapphire
winkey+arrows doesnt work with the import settings menu...trying the editor preferences thing
viscid fern
:(
viscid fern
time to make a sammich
tribal sapphire
reseting the layout didnt help...D:
tribal sapphire
no problem...i just thought of trying to change my zoom level, and it worked, but everything is tiny, so i'm gonna see if i can put it back without losing it again...ty everyone for helping me brainstorm
viscid fern
i'll remember that if i run into the issue, thanks for the heads up on the fix
spare blade
I am trying to position a spot light. And it seems to be stuck in world space, I want local space. Clicking the world icon doesnβt switch it to local either. Anyone know why a object/light wonβt switch to local space ?
spare blade
Not sure what you mean, itβs just a spotlight one that I dragged in from the lights module.
spare blade
Anyone know what the hotkey is to scrub the cinematics level sequence timeline?
plush yew
Does anyone know if we are in a "World" when we are loading a level when we connect to a server?
light thunder
@plush yew there is typically a small "transition" level that is loaded
It may be completely empty entirely but it is technically a level
livid haven
Ah, I suppose maybe that's what VR games use to specify their "transition" environment?
plush yew
all of a sudden when im trying to align a metrial on the side o an object, perspective viewport visibly shows me i have my side selected, but it modifys the wrong side. it's also difficult to even get the side i want selected selected as well when this is happening. any ideas?
leaden wave
If I had a bunch of objects that all interact differently with the player, would I emit a raycast (lets say on left click) and return the object back (or null), run that object through a switch statement and execute the code?
OR how would I interact with the code in the other object the player is interacting with
plush yew
^with my issue i think it's because they're translucent
viscid fern
theres a person who has Fortnite assets, i got a hunch they are being distributed for various purposes. just a heads up
night quartz
Hey
Can anyone help me out
im using the sequencer, watching the tutorials but i cant move the red line on the timeline when I do shot_01
static viper
Is there a way to prevent VS studio from opening?
cause it opens 2 times...
always
its super ultra stupid
cinder iron
o__O
cinder iron
Oh from ue4
Not the actual sln
Then there you go 4.19 is fixed haha
I'm still on 4.17 so π€·
sonic yacht
I'm looking to be able to control a cube with the keyboard inputs and move around in the scene like without gravity. X, Y, Z, Roll, Pitch, Yaw all that stuff. and then be able to detect where it is in relation to another object.
I've been able to do this on unity. But I'm new to unreal
versed pawn
hey guys! Is there a way to remotely start packaging a project? When I package my game, my pc becomes pretty much unresponsive until it is finished, so I cannot continue working on anything else. I know there is a way to remotely build lighting with Swarm, but can be the same said about a project packaging? I tried searching for it but it returned only results irrelevant for my problem.
cloud cobalt
There isn't an automatic way to do it, but it's absolutely possible, yes
We developed Python scripts to automate the project packaging here - run one script to build the packaged game, run another to upload it on Steam
You can rent a Windows VPS, install everything you need, and have it build every new commit
You can have stuff like Jenkins telling you when the game doesn't build anymore etc
versed pawn
wow, this doesn't sound too easy to pull off...
cloud cobalt
Yeah, it's not like setting up one thing and it's done
It's more like company automation
sonic yacht
Where should I ask my question?
cloud cobalt
Here's fine
cloud cobalt
Problem is, it's not really a question. How would you have done it in Unity, why doesn't that work here ?
It's easier to answer if the question is clear π
versed pawn
@sonic yacht For now, this can help you a lot if you're coming from Unity. This explains the differences between the two engines and hwo they work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAuVV4DXNZs
paper rampart
Hello im new
sonic yacht
public int moveSpeed = 5;
public int turnSpeed = 5;
public Rigidbody rb;
// Use this for initialization
void Start ()
{
rb = GetComponent<Rigidbody>();
}
// Update is called once per frame
void Update ()
{
transform.Translate(Input.GetAxis("Horizontal") * Time.deltaTime * moveSpeed, 0f, Input.GetAxis("Vertical") * Time.deltaTime * moveSpeed);
if (Input.GetKey(KeyCode.Q))
{
rb.AddTorque(0f, Time.deltaTime * turnSpeed, 0f);
}
else if (Input.GetKey(KeyCode.E))
{
rb.AddTorque(0f, Time.deltaTime * -turnSpeed, 0f);
}
else if (Input.GetKey(KeyCode.Space))
{
rb.velocity = new Vector3(0,0,0);
rb.angularVelocity = new Vector3(0, 0, 0);
}
}
}```:D
sonic yacht
Yes
cloud cobalt
@sonic yacht Well, Update in Unity is "Tick" in UE4
sonic yacht
I don't know whether to use C++ or blueprints
paper rampart
BP
cloud cobalt
Depends on your long-term goals, how experienced in C++ you are
paper rampart
;)
cloud cobalt
Blueprint is a safe first approach
versed pawn
Obviously it's more practical, but now that the engine can compile Blueprints into native C++ code, is ALMOST as efficient as C++ itself
sonic yacht
Cool
cloud cobalt
@versed pawn There many reasons to stick with C++, performance is a pretty secondary concern imho
@sonic yacht In the "Content examples" project on the Learn tab, there is a Blueprint level that showcases something close to what you want - except with mouse, not keyboard
You can look at that π
versed pawn
@cloud cobalt That might be the case, as I never wrote a single line in C++. I know only a bit of c# and javaa
cloud cobalt
The biggest reason to write code is that it's very durable. It's very easy to track over time with source control, you can merge concurrent work by different people at the same time, it's easy to upgrade when the engine changes, you can check it from your phone if you need to look at something outside work
Performance isn't really an issue because mostly, your game is 99% UE4 code
Whatever you add shouldn't be super costly
sonic yacht
Really. all i want to do, is move a cube with the keyboard in 3d space (like no gravity) and detect where it is
paper rampart
Like*
cloud cobalt
@sonic yacht Look at input bindings, and use a Tick event to move the object just like you did in Unity
versed pawn
@paper rampart You can, but it's not practical
paper rampart
Yeah but would it work flawlesly?
versed pawn
Naaah, because of how the engine works.
floral heart
Depends on "non gaming application"
cloud cobalt
@paper rampart You can loo at like, the Paragon menus to see what kind of interface you can create with UE4. But well, you'd use a tiny part of UE4, and other frameworks are better
sonic yacht
Well what blueprint do i use and how to I attach it to a cube
floral heart
"would it work" is a weird question to ask when the C++ source is available.
The answer is essentially "if you do it right".
cloud cobalt
Simply put @paper rampart, the more you stray for games, the less appropriate it would be. For example, i'm not sure UE4 has support for smartphone cameras
You'd need to add features UE4 doesn't have, and you'd be ignoring 95% of UE4 features
paper rampart
Hmm
cloud cobalt
So it's not like it wouldn't work, it's more like, it's not the tool for the job
cloud cobalt
Like I said, it's never impossible
People do computers in Minecraft
It's just not practical
static viper
and c++
floral heart
It's not the java part that makes it impractical, it's the redstone and chunk simulation.
cloud cobalt
^
paper rampart
Btw guys im a guy who is sarcastic alot so dont take offense i dont mean to be offensive
:)
cloud cobalt
If you're doing an app, just use an app framework, or the API provided by the smartphone dev. The quality will be far superior - smaller loading time, better performance, smaller app size
static viper
minecraft is op.
floral heart
IF you clarify your question with "I only want to do this in blueprint and UMG", then the answer is a firm "no it will not work" afaik
floral heart
make game in slate only 
paper rampart
It would be π
floral heart
slate object for each pixel
floral heart
who needs this pesky 3d renderer, discard all, use slate! spreadsheet games ftw
paper rampart
Lmao
floral heart
not like half the games these days don't have you spending 30 minutes in menus between matches anyway
cloud cobalt
Who said "spritesheet game" ? http://helium-rain.com/gallery_data/dashboard.jpg
static viper
you could
floral heart
imagined
designed
my body is ready
static viper
you need to guess the color code
or it could be 3D
and you need to measure the distance the pixel has
alot can be done with one pixel π
floral heart
make a chatroom with no trolls
paper rampart
Ok take a shit on a place take a photo. Make it seamless and make s game with it
static viper
IMPOSSIBLE
paper rampart
D:
static viper
cannot untroll.
detroll
youre just jealous @floral heart
of my minecraft skills
cloud cobalt
@floral heart I'd love that
keen birch
Define trolling though?
static viper
i better go back to work. Lots of coding todo
floral heart
Wouldn't we all
Well no
I'd miss some of them
keen birch
Arguably that was a troll by Dementiurge ;o
floral heart
That was a tease
a troll would be...
why is ue4's lightning so bad
keen birch
TRIGGORD
floral heart
Epic needs c# before I'll use ue4
floral heart
They actually do use it in the build/packaging tools somewhere, don't they.
keen birch
Yeah, but I wouldn't call that a whole lot
cloud cobalt
I want to do a Blueprint MMORPG. Nothing complicated, just something like PUBG, but with the gameplay of WOW
Can you help me
keen birch
@paper rampart No, it's made in C++ with bits of other languages (e.g. C# in some places)
floral heart
YOU HAVE MY DATA TABLE
keen birch
I'd prefer WOW but with the gameplay of PUBG tbh
paper rampart
I have no projects
floral heart
/queue lord of the rings music
keen birch
^
cloud cobalt
this ^
keen birch
cloud cobalt
We are.
paper rampart
ππ
regal mulch
True. Go away.
keen birch
π¦
keen birch
I like how no-one even bothered to actually move the conversation to #lounge
It just died
keen birch
Hm
Good question
I wonder this too
There are some much-needed improvements in there
Like...
...
Nicer landscape LODs...?
...
floral heart
translucency + volumetric lightmaps
keen birch
To be fair, the dynamic resolution stuff could be interesting
wary wave
4.19p4 fixed instanced static meshes at least π
that took a couple of engine versions :/
floral heart
Expecting dynamic resolution to be broken every even-numbered release
wary wave
the 4th channel (used for random) in their UV data got wiped every time their transformswere updated
wary wave
it meant things like per-instance random material nodes couldn't work
cloud cobalt
Dynamic resolution sounds like something I will absolutely use if it works well
cloud cobalt
That's kind of a big if for UE4, yeah
keen birch
But I have serious doubts
cloud cobalt
I'm expecting LPV-levels of support
"Someone wanted to try it at some point but it's dead now"
floral heart
Surely not LPV-levels.
keen birch
LPV wasn't actually Epic's though
I expect more than LPV
Because they don't have the "It's not ours" card
regal mulch
I need the update cause Oculus screwed their driver
paper rampart
π·
regal mulch
They finally fixed that and it ships with 4.19
floral heart
and Vive Pro support
regal mulch
Currently you join a session data wise but no handshake happens
floral heart
(reading Trello)
paper rampart
What is the biggest thing coming with 19?
cloud cobalt
To be really honest there are few new engine features I want. Maybe actual dynamic shadows. Mostly I'd love some support & cleanup of existing stuff
@paper rampart Dynamic resolution I guess
wary wave
I'm mostly interested in existing features getting some love
cloud cobalt
Reduces resolution when the game runs slow, go back up when it's good
floral heart
Common thing on consoles.
keen birch
@cloud cobalt Define actual dynamic shadows?
cloud cobalt
Dynamic shadows that don't have terrible acne all over the place
Like, being able to light a sphere
floral heart
oh that thread
keen birch
Yup, point taken
cloud cobalt
Without artifacts
That thread that's been going around for years with zero acknowledgment despite it affecting every UE4 game
floral heart
is there a way to control cached dynamic shadows?
keen birch
Don't think so
floral heart
you'd think being able to have nearly free shadows without having a completely static scene would be a popular thing
cloud cobalt
Many games have completely static scenes
Well, almost completely static
That's why volumetric lightmaps in 4.19 are useful
You bake most of it and extrapolate for dynamic stuff
I have a completely dynamic scene with zero static stuff, fuck me right ? π
floral heart
Being able to pick and choose which lights become active when a creature walks by would be nice, at least
cloud cobalt
Sounds like trolling
keen birch
@cloud cobalt High-fives
devout gulch
I just want to have modular renderer
I love to implement some custo rendeing stages
keen birch
Wouldn't mind that either
devout gulch
but thought of maintaing custom engine branch is just to much ;/
keen birch
And, ya know, shaders in plugins >.>
devout gulch
shaders in plugins already works
keen birch
Sort of
devout gulch
you just can really use those shaders to extend rendering -;-
so idk, seems quite pointless..
cloud cobalt
I'm fine with most of the rendering myself, because most features I could want are there. These days I'm really just fed up with dynamic shadows. It boggles my mind.
devout gulch
I'd really love to play around adding voxelization to engine, but once I digged intto render loop i just though nope
floral heart
Steal the voxelization code from LPV
devout gulch
it doesn't really solve anything
I like to use it for something else and either way I have to modify core engine ;
cloud cobalt
Now that you mention voxels, volumetric lighting also breaks with moving objects, just like LPV did
cloud cobalt
Add culling volume, set culling distance
cloud cobalt
@paper rampart It just makes unvisible all actors under X size at Y distance
paper rampart
So it dosent work on foliage then i i guess?
cloud cobalt
You can ask for objects under 1m to be removed when they're more than 10m away, and objects under 50m to be removed when they're 500m away
Dunno about foliage, though I suspect foliage has such a feature
paper rampart
cloud cobalt
sonic yacht
Hey
lil update
up
I don't know how to control rotation
like "Add Movement Input"
cloud cobalt
You're looking for 'add world rotation'
With your cube object from the scene as a target
Movement input is for character movement and it's fairly advanced, meant for networking etc
honest vale
cloud cobalt
That's a unique approach to engine previews
sonic yacht
Stranger
static viper
that is actually funny
cloud cobalt
Something like "add actor world rotation" yeah
tawdry narwhal
does anyone know how to disable auto saving for good? anytime I delete the Intermediate, Binaries and Saved folders the autosave setting turns right back on and all the Editor Preferences are reset in general
wary wave
if you deleted the saved folder you're deleting the editor config settings...
plush yew
ive decided
to completely giv eu p on persisting aundio between levels
i spent 3 hours on it yesterday
and accomplished nothing
could have gotten other shit done
lel
cloud cobalt
Have you tried ClientPlaySound + ClientTravel ?
plush yew
yea
ClientPlaySound just plays a sound using a Client rpc
then i believe it calls UGamePlayStatics
cloud cobalt
So did it work ?
plush yew
nope
languid shard
Hello everyone ! Still reviewing performance within UE4, I see that the editor uses CPU a lot while computing Distance Field. What kind of CPU would you need to have the best processing speeds ?
cloud cobalt
Fast i7
languid shard
right so Hz over Cores ? π€
cloud cobalt
No
languid shard
both ? π
cloud cobalt
Both, but for development you really want cores first - 4 cores, 8 threads
Or better if you can get it
Then sure, speed too
languid shard
running UE4 on a 6 cores, 12 thread xeon right now
and tbh performance is kinda disappointing
cores go up to 3.5ghz
3.6 sometimes
cloud cobalt
The problem is, stuff like light baking, compilation etc will use all cores, so double cores = double performance
But many other parts of the engine don't, so double cores = same performance
Hence you need both
cloud cobalt
Yeah
I think a modern i7 is the best for performance at reasonable cost because they're really really fast on single-core perf, and they have 8 threads too
Xeons probably lack some raw performance per core
languid shard
yeah xeons are mostly known for reliability
cloud cobalt
At the end of the day you still need huge CPU performance
Ironically, the GPU for game dev can be pretty average
cloud cobalt
If you're building the engine source you want the best i7 on the market and a really fast SSD π
Yeah it looks good
languid shard
some weird job assignments though on this screeshot
I mean its a shame swarm just idles cores when they finished their jobs
cloud cobalt
It's unfortunate, though you can't always split up workloads
cloud cobalt
Haven't tried one
languid shard
hmm
I can't upgrade to an i7 with the current platform that workstation is using
LGA_2011 C612 is for xeons only
so maybe an upgrade to a 2600/4600 series xeon would improve performance
wary wave
chances are buying an entirely new i7 machine is cheaper than the Xeon processor upgrade....
cloud cobalt
Yeah, iteration on Intel CPU is pretty much dead
By the time a new CPU really offers improved performance, your socket is dead
languid shard
yeah, that was more or less the case 5 years ago too π¦
rip 1150
or whatever socket lasted for 2 years or something
fierce tulip
yea, im with that same issue. if I want a new cpu which I purchased slightly over a year ago I need a new motherboard <_<
languid shard
:/
languid shard
I've been using the same CPU for 5 years on my personal setup (i7 4770k, DDR3), and with ram prices I can't even think about upgrading to a newer platform
wary wave
I picked up an i7-4790k a while back and don't expect to need to upgrade for a good long time
languid shard
they start to show their age for UE4 dev though π¦
wary wave
they really don't
fierce tulip
got the same cpu @wary wave
languid shard
my expectations must be too high then π
plush yew
So one of our biggest customers in Australia is bitching at me because their data "disappeared"
There is a reason why we bundle a "backup manager"
into the software
because your data is your responsibility
so fucking gay
frank escarp
delete
plush yew
best part
bosses, and people who can resolvve this issue
dont reply to my emails
even tho its their job
i literally cannot resolve this issue
I DO NOT HAVE THE PASSWORD
languid shard
wait are we still in #ue4-general ? π€
languid shard
languid shard
urgh dell changed their platform for workstations, our machine won't be able to be upgraded with newer gen xeons
the only i7 platform desktop we have is a vPro platform
which are mobile i7s with cut performance
wary wave
D:
languid shard
yeah, not even sure we can get "real" gaming equipped workstations since we have an intel partnership...
I mean they have alienware stuff but, ya know, alienware 
wary wave
the Alienware stuff is very hit and miss
languid shard
sure is
at least their high end mobile stuff works decently (aside from being airplanes while in load)
tall pendant
some AW displays are not bad as well
languid shard
@tall pendant well I have to say the 1440p 120hz display they have in the 17" laptops is great
I wonder how the 4k display looks like
paper kernel
I've seen every 4K monitor getting slapped on in laptop reviews
it's just too small pixel size to make a difference
cloud cobalt
Yeah, I have a hard time feeling like 4K is necessary even on my home cinema setup
wary wave
my 40" display is only 2560p and it's fine
it could be a bit higher res, but it's honestly not visible enough for me to care from 6+ feet away
languid shard
HDR does make a different though
wary wave
HDR would be nice, yeah
paper kernel
BFGD
cloud cobalt
Can't wait for a great HDR, 1440p display in 24" range
languid shard
24" is too small π¦
cloud cobalt
27 is better, but 24 is comfortable for me
languid shard
hey @cloud cobalt do you now how to fix the "Failed to allocate 128x128x128 in distance field atlas" you get when you try to build distance field meshes ?
or augment the memory pool allocated to distance field meshes
π¬
r.DistanceFields.ForceMaxAtlasSize was the answer π or not actually, still fails
r.DistanceFields.ForceAtlasRealloc 1 helped a bit actually
sleek spear
i dont understand shadows of movable lights. no matter what settings i try i cant get them to work correctly. can anyone help?
languid shard
what do you seek @sleek spear ?
sleek spear
@languid shard i adjust the settings of the light, but then when i move into the area, close by shadows disappear depending on camera movement
languid shard
screen ?
sleek spear
let me share some screenshots
languid shard
π
sleek spear
also a video may be needed
give me a sec
i just rotated the camera to the left and a bit downwards
@languid shard
languid shard
cascaded or DistanceField ?
sleek spear
cascaded. can i use only distance field?
languid shard
yeah ofc
different lighting tech, different rules though
I use only DF on our projects since it behaves really well with arch stuff
just be sure to 0 your cascaded dynamic shadows distance
and up your distance field shadow distance a bit
in your directional light source
skylight must be movable too
sleek spear
distance field also behaves badly
languid shard
hmm
sleek spear
also i need distance field lighting turned off because i use them to blend objects with the landscape
but anyway, if it solves the shadow problem i can disable that
sleek spear
oh i dont know i thought you cant have them both
languid shard
haha nah you can have them both ofc :p
once DF meshes are baked you can use them with everything you want
damn I really need a new cpu
sleek spear
oh man its very frustrating
have you ever used very big models in your scenes?
i need a new gpu
languid shard
yeah all the time
current one I'm working on, trying to not modify the architect's model
this is "almost" a straight import from 3ds max
languid shard
we can start a screenshare in discord
won't be able to speak though, open spaces yada yada
sleek spear
no problem
eager robin
is there any issue opened about category of UMG element variable?
I mean when you change category of umg element variable , it is not beeing changed
and I found couple of issues on issue tracker from older UE versions but they were marked as duplicate mostly
calm crow
Hello, do you have good tutorial to know how to start replication for dedicated server and how handle MMO?
what engine is the most optimised, and easy to use for small team? UE4? or anything else?
plush yew
@calm crow #multiplayer
I don't think any of the engines have really a "team" functionality built into them
For example, unreal cannot use the build in "source control" tool to checkout c++ files
that must be done manually in perforce tool
static viper
making friend requests to me is useless XD
its easier to just give up then wait for me to answer itz
not even a slightest
i never ever dm people
So
tell me here
and now
i think i know what youre up to
dont even.
surreal viper
opal ocean
behaviour tree service to check if player is visible, check if player pawn is within distance first? or do something else?
regal mulch
@static viper Just deactivate Friend Requests then
Also what's up with the out of bounce name
@opal ocean Well no need to shoot a line trace if not in range anyway
So an OverlapSphere on the AI would be a thing
That adds pawns to an array if they overlap
opal ocean
I'm testing the "PawnSensing" component at the moment
regal mulch
Yeah that might work too. Haven't used that yet
opal ocean
not sure if I'm going to have a lot of enemies on screen or not yet, so I'm not sure which direction will be better
regal mulch
Then don't worry too much and just implement what works
If it later breaks you can still optimize
Too much planing isn't good either
opal ocean
It seems to work, when the AI faces my pawn, it triggers nicely. (currently pops up some floating !!!s) π
ohh.. dont worry theres very little planning
good thing I'm in blueprints, easy to fix/change things
regal mulch
"Very little planning" :D that screams for "Why are my AIs chasing each other?!"
*jk. Well nice, have to integrate AI at some point for a client. Some basic drones chasing, shooting and refilling ammo
Pawn is properly setup, so I might only need to call the events the player already calls
Will see
(totally unrelated :D sorry)
opal ocean
hehe, the pawn sensing has a tickbox "only sense player controlled pawns"
tho, it could be fun to have the enemy chasing each other....
regal mulch
Ah, someone did the thinking for us :D
There was once a project, somewhere, which we don't talk about
Where an enemy lost its head
And then a second one
And they tried to pickup each others heads
Even after one of them put it back on
opal ocean
π€
regal mulch
There was no check for "This was my head"
So they chased the same one
Means one of them got it, put it back on its shoulders and the other one chased him
gg
opal ocean
well hey, as long as you get head right? π
opal ocean
I dunno, delayed working on my AI by doing some drywall taping this morning instead...
but it didnt take very long π¦
regal mulch
Well depends on the AI I guess
opal ocean
using the behaviour trees and realtime is certainly a lot easier than turn-based blueprint AI...
not doing anything fancy, I just dont really know what I'm doing :p
paper kernel
I've tried behavior trees few times, they make no sense to me
tawdry narwhal
why don't live streams get broadcast here on discord? an alert would be nice
anyways material layers 4.19 preview is on twitch right now
maiden swift
@tawdry narwhal Could you please drop a message about that in #server-feedback so it doesn't get lost?
maiden swift
π
fierce tulip
chat on twitch fails to work for me
paper kernel
when does twitch chat work
tawdry narwhal
I had 2 questions answered, I'd say it worked just fine
sleek cobalt
are there any free foliage packs?
paper kernel
I'd think there would be some foliage in some of the epic packs
I know there's a forest demo
maybe infinity blade assets?
or kite demo, if you have the hardware to open it
umbral trout
Anyone recall seeing an environment with floating tiles to make the level. I just remember it was an exterior shot with a mountain, kind of sci fi-y with floating tiles and a purple backdrop. Pretty sure it was UE4
paper kernel
deadcore?
maiden swift
Deadcore has a tower, not a mountain.
I don't remember a purple backdrop, either, but still sounds similar enough to be a possibility.
If it is Deadcore Sparky is thinking of, that's a Unity game.
paper kernel
well, there's cloudbuilt, but it has no purple afaik
umbral trout
Went through a lot of Deadcore photos, not it. Man I wish I really saved the photo I saw, it's bugging me now. It was somewhere in Discord but digging for it will take too much time
spare blade
Question about building a garden bed. It consists of just 3 objects. These objects duplicated rotated and scaled becomes a full garden bed. In UE4 is there a way to assemble all these elements into a group then drag that group onto the map? Could some one advise how You would approach this. What modules would you use? Or maybe you would just drag them into the level and start laying them out, then once layed out then group them?
cinder iron
what a good question @spare blade there are certainly various approaches
do you have Unity Background?
I'll explain you three approaches and then you can determine which one you would like to use :)
spare blade
No, I come from Maya only. Now head deep in UE4
cinder iron
okay! I asked that because in Unity you can build something called "prefab" which is like a set of elements (or GameObjects) to build around your level
So let's begin with the three approaches
forest marsh
Where can I post a message to recruit some people on my project ?
cinder iron
1.- You can put your assets on the scene then, select them with control (multiselection) and press Ctrl + G, you would be grouping actors then: https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Actors/Grouping/
2.- You can purchase a prefab plugin: https://www.unrealengine.com/ja/marketplace/prefab-tool take a look at the description and check if it suits your necessities and your preferences
3.- You can use a Blueprint to build a scene/building, you would assemble with static mesh components and isntanced mesh components your garden bed
i spent some time looking for a pic in google about #3 I couldn't find one @spare blade
grim ore
#career-chat or #looking-for-talent on here, the same on the forums
maiden swift
#career-chat is not for recruiting. It's for advice and tips related to recruiting and/or getting hired.
@forest marsh #looking-for-talent is the channel you want. Check the pinned message there for instructions on how to post to the channel.
forest marsh
Ok thx si I delete my message on #career-chat ^^
cinder iron
I didn't purchase it myself, but I've heard its so good
frank escarp
it is
worth every cent
the fact it can convert to blueprints easily, makes it great for my needs
my rooms in the procedural level are all individual blueprints
spare blade
@cinder iron thanks for this . I will look for a demo of building a βprefabβ using blueprints. If you know of a link for this please send it to me. Thank you.
cinder iron
I'm afraid not, but create an actor blueprint, and press the green button "add component"
add static meshes
and change each mesh for the one you want
you can assemble then a scene
you can try do it right now and we can help you a bit ^_^
spare blade
Isnβt the blueprint approach the same as using the prefab plugin?
cinder iron
not at all! xD
livid haven
I think the prefab thing is more like having a set of actors you can place.
frank escarp
@livid haven it is
safe rose
Ah, does it not work for realtime spawning?
frank escarp
it spams the hell out of ChildActorComponent
safe rose
If not...that kinda sucks
livid haven
Figured it worked something like that, @frank escarp.
safe rose
Oh, yeah that's what I'd do
cinder iron
at the runtime?
livid haven
That's how I'd think to implement it, at least, if I had to.
safe rose
Yea, like regular spawning of actors
tough quiver
Hello guys. Kind of a newbie question. Does UE4 supports Houdini?
safe rose
yes
frank escarp
@safe rose the prefab can store a link to its "master blueprint"
it doesnt create a new one
tough quiver
That is cool! Thanks!
frank escarp
it re-creates the child actor components
cinder iron
there are dedicated streamings about it! @tough quiver you might want to check out
frank escarp
so you can have a blueprint with the settings, and then edit it as a prefab in the world itself
and then it updates
cinder iron
official ones btw!
frank escarp
and keeps all your settings/special components
safe rose
@frank escarp hmmm, so, the actors that are made into BPs, they are just a set of Child Actor components?
CAC suck balls
safe rose
I've never had any luck with them
They are always either breaking or corrupting my packages
Basically failing out
frank escarp
yes, thats what the plugin does when converting
safe rose
Ah.. so it just gives you a pretty UI
cinder iron
and agilises the work-flow lol
frank escarp
few hours is more than 20 dollars
and the plugin is tested and works well already
you can use it as an starting point
safe rose
Yeah, I guess. I'll pick it up anyway, see if I can find a use for it since everyone's giving it rave reviews
frank escarp
for example i have dungeon architect mostly for dissection purposes
cinder iron
oh boy that gona be gud
safe rose
It'll be entertaining if anything
wtf
I just noticed this, but there's a UE4 Editor Customizer
Plugin
And it's free
Wonder how I've missed that
Invisible Mode
cinder iron
there is a lot of tooling lately
safe rose
Anyway, that Mary Nate. Doing very well on the MP
cinder iron
major and minor stuff btw
safe rose
Always top notch stuff
spare blade
@cinder iron What kind of Blueprint would I start with. Actor, Pawn, Character, etc ...
cinder iron
Actor
Actor is what John Carmack defined as an entity or what unity calls as the simplest game object that can be placed in the world
safe rose
damnit
I hate Install To Engine plugins
When working with teams
(makes me do extra work)
frank escarp
i duno why they dont have the option to install to project
safe rose
Exactly
cinder iron
??????
safe rose
Would make life SO MUCH EASIER
cinder iron
you can't??
safe rose
(Plugins bought off MP)
Nah
They are all Install To Engines on MP AFAIK
You have to create a new project
and rebuild it
cinder iron
oh yeah but I mean usually you can just drop them in the project folder under Plugins/ lol
safe rose
and then package it out to whatever bin you want
cinder iron
or at least they provide the requiered
spare blade
@cinder iron ok dumb question here.. I have my garden bed which is way away from world zero. But my flower elements are at world zero. So I need to move my flowers onto my flowerbed. Something like a place here or a snap to vertex? How to do this in a blueprint Viewport ?
safe rose
then put it into the project
cinder iron
just click on your flower mesh
and move it wherever you want @spare blade
you should have your blueprint with a bunch of meshes there
you can drag stuff on the bp viewport
spare blade
I have to zoom way back so I can see both the flower bed and the flower object . I can then move the flower into a closer proximity. zoom in a move the floer closer. This is how I am doing it.
cinder iron
thats cool, probably your meshes have the origin point missplaced
usually when you build modular stuff you want to have all the pivots aligned to suit them up better on ue4 or w/e game engine you using
spare blade
No my flower bed has its pivot point not centered so when I zero its location out it will be relative to the rest of the set .
The flower elements on the other hand all have their centers, centered to the objects
hitting end on the keyboard should drop the object to the floor correct?
If I do copy paste of the flower it duplicates it and calls it "StaticMesh" I would expect it to call it "flower_02" "flower_03" etc ?
is it okay to do copy paste ? Or should I keep draging and droping the mesh from the contents folder ?
@cinder iron
cinder iron
show me first your BP setup
spare blade
umbral trout
Can you rotate the instanced prefabs or it'll rotate all of them? Like if I wanted to build a building with zeroed rotation and then have two instances in my map, one of them rotated 45 degrees
cinder iron
@spare blade yeah looks good, you can copy and paste stuff out
also if your pivots are setted up correctly on blender
you can zero out everything
just click on the static mesh component
and on the location put 0,0,0
also, be careful with that
that means that sc_04_bush will move relative to StaticMesh3
because its a child of the mesh
spare blade
@cinder iron This is awsome. I am learning so fast..
cinder iron
:) welcome to the engine jettam
fierce tulip
btw @livid haven what aspects did/are you working on?
livid haven
Of?
livid haven
Oh, used to do a lot of L10N/I18N tech on UE4, been working the Fortnite UI team since then.
fierce tulip
lionwhat
cinder iron
π https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization @fierce tulip
spare blade
@cinder iron I have a fence structure around my garden bed. In maya this is one object and a fairly large poly count.
I can see that this could be a modular build. So.. should I export just the modular piece and reconstruct the whole fence in the blueprint. Or import the whole fence structure from maya into UE4 ?
fierce tulip
ahhhh
cinder iron
you can do whatever you like based on your preferences, if you want two fences to visually offset them to create a sensation of imperfection then yeah go ahead and make it modular
also you'll be able to reuse the fences anywhere else :P
Sion always uses the fancy words :P @livid haven @fierce tulip
fierce tulip
i noticed :p
livid haven
Oh, sorry
They're abbreviations because the words are fuck huge
Localization, Internationalization
So they get abbreviated as L (10 letters) N and I (18 letters) N.
Supporting multiple languages and writing systems and also the pipeline for translations.
fierce tulip
rofl never done that, must be a coderthing-thing :p
livid haven
It's a huge can of worms
Simplest examples are something like "You have 5 friends online" vs "You have 1 friend online"
A short-sighted and English-only programmer might write some logic to do something like
"You have " + Number + " " (Number != 0 ? " friends" " : "friend") + " online."
weary basalt
friend(s) π
floral heart
typing l10n feels almost as hard as typing localization, but internationalization is a bit worse.
livid haven
A) you're going to have translators translate each piece completely separately without any context? How the hell do they know how to conjugate verbs and all that if all they have is "please translate 'friends'".
B) Even with context, word ordering isn't the same, you can't just replace chunks of everything like that
C) Plurality rules are different in different languages. I believe in French, the number 0 is considered singular, not plural.
D) No really, plurality rules are different. Like really different. Like Polish has like 6 different word endings based on the last digit of the number.
After the numerals dwa, trzy, cztery (2, 3, 4), and compound numbers ending with them (22, 23, 24, etc. but not 12, 13, or 14, which take -naΕcie as a suffix and are thus not compound numbers at all), the noun is plural and takes the same case as the numeral, and the resulting noun phrase is plural (e.g. 4 koty staΕy, "4 cats stood"). - Wikipedia
So it's not only whether the number ends in 2, 3, or 4, but whether it's 12, 13, or 14, which get a different suffix for plurality - this might seem weird, but then again, even in English our names for the numerals are special but only for numbers 11 through 19. 20 is twenty, 21 is twenty one, 10 is ten, 11 is... not ten one? It's eleven. Okay, so they're unique... until you get to 13 and suddenly it shares a rule with 14 through 19? What the hell?
Also, gender. For inanimate objects, English doesn't care, but for most languages everything has a gender.
Ever wonder why Chinese translations are always so incredibly bad?
fierce tulip
you already asploded my brain
livid haven
They don't modify the verb to communicate tense. They just have to add more words to say when a verb is active.
They don't say "I went to the store", they say "I go to the store in the past."
cinder iron
Lol, at least you improved your Mandarin chinese skills !
I worked a bit on a big data environment and thats a bit of a nightmare, semantic , lexemes, multicultures... Ect
The stemming
My god the stemming
livid haven
Also, yeah, localization vs l10n isn't necessarily a huge savings, it's 12 letters vs 4 though, that's a 3:1 ratio. And I don't tend to have to write it just once.
Less parsing stuff, really. I've done that too, but not for natural languages.
This isn't machine translation, it's just giving programmers the tools to appropriately abstract themselves from knowing the rules for any given culture - but they do need to understand that certain concepts even exist at all, so that they can know to defer to the abstraction system.
floral heart
It's more the hassle of using numbers in a word for someone who ordinarily only does so for passwords. But if you combine numbers and letters frequently, 4 digits is absolutely fewer.
cinder iron
Aye lots of redundant stuff gets lost on the process but its kinda necesary if you want your indexing to happen as fast as a ray. But again, another context.
livid haven
I guess? If you say so. I use plenty of punctuation, so I'm normally hitting the numbers keys (with shift) anyways.
Suppose I'm an outlier with that though
@cinder iron Don't get me started on text encodings. Want the 5th character in a string? Sorry, define character? We talking glyph? Code unit? Code point? OH! You wanted to just jump to the 4th index in the array? But... that's possible only 1/4th of a "character"?
floral heart
First time I saw localization, I thought "I'm using icons for everything from now on"
livid haven
I've long expounded on the "When asking a question, establish what you know, what you tried", including that Google has failed you.
@floral heart Oh, don't worry, I had to implement the system that redirects which package is loaded for a given asset so that we can localize textures/meshes/audio.
Because gods forbid you have a skeleton in a game shipping to China.
livid haven
Oh, countries you say? Define countries?
I mean, are we talking Chinese? Or PRC China?
Traditional or Simplified?
It. Just. Gets. Worse.
fierce tulip
hehe, all of em actually
rough garnet
floral heart
localizedmessage1N("FRIEND_COUNT_VERBOSE", num_friends)
At least there aren't any countries/localities/cultures that taboo "friend" counts... right?
fierce tulip
O_o I cleaned my shader cache and suddenly the shader I am working on is 120+ instructions more
yea same shader in other project is waaaay less
livid haven
@rough garnet Assuming that is possible and can make sense in another language, still.
fierce tulip
https://i.gyazo.com/3cad532f8f4388fe8de306606731d255.png new project
https://i.gyazo.com/1462f071afc046a44f49d1bee50a17db.png old project
latter is even with vertex offsetting and what not
fierce tulip
yup
livid haven
How, exactly?
livid haven
No no I mean, how did you guarantee they're identical?
fierce tulip
which bumps it up one instruction
livid haven
Did you copy paste the uasset?
fierce tulip
copy paste hehe
livid haven
Did you copy paste the material graph nodes?
fierce tulip
same settings in details too
south ridge
Those stats are not always reliable
So don't pay too much attention to discrepancies like that
fierce tulip
yea but it cant be this different
south ridge
It can π
fierce tulip
dude, this is the first time in all my years its this bad
south ridge
It has something to do with different permutations and what is being shown in realtime preview
fierce tulip
so dont tell me to ignore it
livid haven
I'm wondering if a project setting isn't affecting some configuration for how the shaders are compiled.
south ridge
I've had a ~20 instruction difference before, just floating between different editor runs
fierce tulip
all I did was cleaning the cache for shaders
south ridge
None of the different "can be used on XXX type of meshes" flags have changed?
fierce tulip
nope
spare steeple
i noticed when testing a new map that was all BSP that the tickrate on a listen server is identical to the server framerate
so my friends were getting insane lag until i manually capped it
is there a way to override that and set a tickrate while still having a high framerate?
floral heart
I recall seeing different instruction differences just by whether the material was saved or not.
fierce tulip
obviously
also apologies for coming across as a dick, but my ocd spiked the bleep out
raven sphinx
Hello All ! I have a question about the metrics of Unreal Engine4. For a Level Design test, i need to create a 2km by 2km map of a city . So in Unreal4, what is 2km by 2km ?
fierce tulip
1 unit is 1 cm
vale osprey
200000
raven sphinx
Ok so when i create my landscape , i put 200000 by 200000
Cool ! Thanks guys π
damn , thats huge XD<
raven sphinx
Good i will try ! π