i think its trash
#ue4-general
plush yew
and no
pubg is not a survival game
its a free for all
an artist is supposed to shit out mona lisa's
frosty copper
Halcyon, GDD's aren't all that bad. :p
cloud cobalt
Seriously though, I've probably never met anyone in the gamedev world that had less interest in art & creativity than you @plush yew
pallid compass
because they cant find a tutor to teach us anything
plush yew
@cloud cobalt its because ive tried doing everything
And it doesnt work out
i use to do literally everything
art, qa, programming, ui, etc
and it doesnt go well if its one person doing it all
u need more peomple
frosty copper
arguable
fallow pawn
When life kicks you, kick back homie
cloud cobalt
@plush yew I think you could be happy working with an art-oriente dperson who has a great vision and lacks implementation skills
pallid compass
U need to git gud then
fluid stag
I've been doing it all since every man and his dog is making an mmo or somesuch and there is not many people who want to team up
plush yew
@cloud cobalt definitely
Like here's the thing
my modeling skills end at character development
and i havent touched it in so long
i can do rigging...etc
and animation
but its shit in comparison to someone who specializes in it
u know what i mean?
cloud cobalt
Yup
pallid compass
Train skills then
fallow pawn
If you specialize in it then it opens doors my guy
frosty copper
Anyone getting flashbacks to yesterdays producer conversation? ๐
plush yew
@fallow pawn it wouldnt get me a job in game dev tho
fallow pawn
You could sell assets and never have to worry about paying dudes
plush yew
my programming experience is way superior to my "Autodesk maya skills"
like in programming ive actually worked
at companies
doing software
ive never been paid to do art
lol
zinc garden
@plush yew or do what I do and find a GF who majored in art ๐
plush yew
@zinc garden heh
pallid compass
Lmao
plush yew
Forever alone man
pallid compass
Do what i do, git gud fam
plush yew
:^)
pallid compass
Practice pratice till u bleedd
zinc garden
@pallid compass I like my idea better ๐
frosty copper
That sounds like it could bite you in the arse @zinc garden xD
cloud cobalt
I'm in the "Git gud, do everything alone" team myself but then again you have to learn for a super long time and accept heavy limitations
fallow pawn
@zinc garden Where do you find these artsy girls at exactly?
plush yew
Okay so like
zinc garden
@fallow pawn any local uni near you ๐
plush yew
I could do it alone if it was like
a game based purely on a system
like uhm
supahott
that game is very sexy
and its minimalist
fallow pawn
Welp. Looks like I'm going to college ๐
pallid compass
Lmao
plush yew
College for game dev is like worthless unless u go to somewhere like fullsail
make sure the degree program actually has classes
pallid compass
Or gnomon
pallid compass
Or wann be a teacher
fallow pawn
Isnt fullsail P2W?
plush yew
or some low level graphics library
Uhm... @livid haven went to full sail
pretty good school imo
ive read a bit about their programs
looks nice
but expensive
frosty copper
.... O_o
livid haven
On way to airport at moment.
pallid compass
Sion quicmly
plush yew
Sorry for pinging you haha
frosty copper
My college (Liverpool community) gamedev course was good.
cloud cobalt
DirectX & OpenGL are pretty irrelevant to modern game development
frosty copper
Uni, however. wasa total waste of time for the most part
plush yew
@cloud cobalt "Engine graphics programmers" get paid pretty well
pallid compass
Find* lmao
cloud cobalt
@plush yew They also don't do games
livid haven
It's a quick way to get the fundamentals shotgunned in to your brain and then get in to the field.
frosty copper
@pallid compass protip, just press up to edit. xD
pallid compass
On phone rn
frosty copper
... o:<
plush yew
@livid haven where you heading to man?
frosty copper
SACREBLEU
livid haven
New Orleans
fallow pawn
I tried to get into a game dev program at a community college and there were like 4 classes a day at like 4 different corners of my city lol
livid haven
@pallid compass I don't recall. Some kind of movement component
frosty copper
you in the US though Chilly? ๐ฎ
fallow pawn
Yeah
frosty copper
figures. d:
livid haven
Maybe Star Fighter Movement Component?
pallid compass
Tyrt
plush yew
all they had us do is make mobile games in unity and stuff
frosty copper
I'm in the UK. xD Not really too sure how the 'community' label makes the college operate any differently
livid haven
DX and OGL are absolutely relevant.
fallow pawn
Still understood before the edit lol
plush yew
positions*
frosty copper
:p
livid haven
Just don't expect to be using them directly at any company unless you're on the rendering team for their engine.
fallow pawn
Seems like community college is more like job training
plush yew
I don't think getting a game dev degree is worth it
unless u get one from a school with a program like full sail
frosty copper
But, yeah, it was a full time course (26 hrs IIRC), mostly all in the same room.
plush yew
i got mine, and its fucking worthless imo
no one iwll hire me
for programming jobs
coz its not comp sci
its "game dev"
fallow pawn
: (
plush yew
yet my friends who graduated with comp sci degrees come to me for coding help
its actually hilarious
fallow pawn
irony
plush yew
Like
ok so im working as a "Technical Support Technician"
what the flying fuck is that
livid haven
Degree is worthless in game dev.
plush yew
useless title lel
all i know is it pays me $25 an hour to sit at my house and do meetings with customers and answer emails
livid haven
The training, knowledge, experience, skills, and networking are the valuable part.
plush yew
@livid haven im too much of a fucking pussy to leave my house
fallow pawn
Damn
plush yew
:^)
fallow pawn
That sounds like a sweet gig
livid haven
Okay?
frosty copper
training, knowledge, experience, skills = Tutor: "Go web search it".
fallow pawn
You could always network online
livid haven
@frosty copper that doesn't make it easy.
frosty copper
Never said it did.
livid haven
Self teaching is wrought with not knowing what you need to know, lacking guidance.
fallow pawn
Not many places for me to network here.. well maybe a college lol
livid haven
Easy to end up a worthless self taught programmer with no practical real world knowledge or experience.
plush yew
@livid haven i agree
livid haven
@fallow pawn this here is networking.
frosty copper
Depends on how you're self teaching then imo.
plush yew
honestly... a lot of working in a "team" is documentation, and writing
like u know how many documents ive had to write
livid haven
@plush yew disagree there
plush yew
sooo many
Really? I know a lot of stuff ive had to do has been documentation after implementing a feature
fierce tulip
additionally, you dont need to be in college or whatever to try an internship, though you probably need a decent portfolio or showcase that you are at least somewhat capable.
livid haven
But we don't have the best docs in UE4 so...
fallow pawn
@livid haven Oh I know that for sure
frosty copper
UE4 documentation isa petpeve.
vapid cedar
@plush yew If you have a CompSci, you could apply all over the place. I doubt studios would knowingly not hire someone with a CompSci because it's not gaming. CompSci shows you have an understanding of the base nature of programming and should be able to adapt to most languages and projects. Or am I reading into this incorrectly? lol
fallow pawn
I would just love to make some real world connections with people interested in game dev : (
plush yew
like our workflow is:
Create a feature
Write a document/information on it
Send to QA for testing
QA gives a yay or nay
If its a yay, we send it out
If its a nay, we make a patch, and send back and forth to QA until its finished, then release new documentation
@livid haven
lol
like if we dont do that
people get angry
haha
livid haven
Anyways, mobile typing sucks. Can't keep this up.
plush yew
Haha
have fun!!
@vapid cedar i dont have a comp sci degree
i have a game dev degree
lel
vapid cedar
Maybe that's the problem, do you have any published titles, or is that what you're working on to show your worth as a dev?
vapid cedar
I know Full Sail try to get people positions, but honestly.. I think that's really determined by their initial knowledge and skillset, going to Full Sail is more about understanding the process and workflows.
zinc garden
@plush yew reminds me of "It's not bullshit, it's repurposed bovine waste"
vapid cedar
I've yet to see a single person from Full Sail without prior design or dev knowledge get a position out of Full Sail.
zinc garden
not commenting on the quality, just the description wording
vapid cedar
But, I know Full Sail also requires prior experience now?
safe rose
?
worn granite
Oh really?
safe rose
no
vapid cedar
You have to have a decent resume? Really?
worn granite
that makes no sense
vapid cedar
Not saying jobs
vapid cedar
But talking about a portfolio showing your understanding of design and commitment.
Well that's what I mean
So yeah it is
lol
worn granite
betcha I could get into FSU and not mention any of my experience.
Its called money.
safe rose
And anyone who shits on gamedev degrees is a hater imho
worn granite
ye
plush yew
@safe rose i have o ne and its been worthless
plush yew
Wow man ๐ฆ
worn granite
@safe rose Blanket statement defending gamedev degrees?
safe rose
lol
plush yew
Savage
worn granite
Like all of them?
safe rose
I think they are worth it if only just for the experience it gives you, regardless of what they teach.
They get you OUT of your comfort zone
fierce tulip
that really really depends on the education you go to though.
safe rose
And require you to either get good and pass a class
Or don't
I know, but in general, it's like saying getting a Law degree to become a lawyer is bad
wtf
fierce tulip
true hehe
plush yew
:^)
safe rose
But then you have to do that interview
And most won't let you pass without one, but I suppose there are some exceptions, bad example
worn granite
just go CS
safe rose
You can technically learn both on your own
wary wave
I don't think I've ever actually hired someone with a games degree
safe rose
But both in a school enviorment, now you have professors to help you, or fellow students
worn granite
Already a more general and in-depth version of the degree, so game programming degrees feel kinda silly.
safe rose
Networking opportunities are much higher
vapid cedar
Most applications for design are 'come as you are' and review of experience. They make you take tests. Idk if I'd care about a degree at that point.
safe rose
Chances to work in team enviornments
Get some exposure before graduation
But anyway, I never once said a Game Degree was required
I just said they aren't as worthless as others make them out to be
And anyone who really is thinking about getting one. Please PM me.
I'll tell you the truth
fierce tulip
5 years of games & animation only thought me html (poorly) flash (even more poorly), and some generic drawing skills. <_<
surreal viper
I learnt something between computer science and software engineering and I would never hire someone based on degree only
honestly I just don't care
you have some paper? cool
show me what you know
plush yew
here's what i have to say
safe rose
lol ^
worn granite
no you're worthless gtfo
plush yew
- Make projects
- Get a comp sci degree
worn granite
go away
vapid cedar
Wooow - FSU: Applications Accepted 100.0%
safe rose
That are Comp Sci... but Game related
vapid cedar
Haha, well. I stand corrected. ๐
plush yew
Because believe it or not... i think that you will make mor emoney in the long run
by getting a Comp sci degree
vapid cedar
That's NOT a good thing.
safe rose
BUt not a full on game degree
plush yew
it gives u more opportunities
surreal viper
anyone can do a degree and I have seen too much people who should have not get one
safe rose
The issue here is...
worn granite
Yeah
safe rose
If you are too broad with your education
If you really want to do a particular thing within gamedev
There's really no reason not to just go and specialize it
Obviously there's a risk involved.
If you fail at gamedev, then you're pretty pooped
worn granite
If you're general enough you have more of a fallback.
safe rose
But that's any other degree also
vapid cedar
Isn't that the problem with Game Dev schools? They always give you a super broad curriculum.
safe rose
If you can't hack it as a gamedev, how the hell are you going to hack it as a Comp Sci whatever engineer
worn granite
IDK is there a degree that specifically is about, say, graphics programming?
Like how granular can you get like that?
worn granite
That's self-study and portfolio work.
safe rose
Now
Before I even graduated
I had offers
Barely anything worth on my portfolio
However, some of those offers wanted me to complete my education.
(which would have been impossible had I taken any of those offers)
3 months later, just before my graduation, I was told that...oh, they dropped that requirement ๐
Was I still interested?
The issue is, there are plenty of companies out there that will gladly throw money your way at anytime
The degree comes into play when you are asked how much you want to start.
surreal viper
lol ๐
safe rose
Granted I will never say that a piece of paper is more important than experience.
surreal viper
if that is the case you are working for the wrong companies
safe rose
But, if it weren't for that degree, I doubt I would be making as much as I am right now freelancing.
But who knows.
fierce tulip
requirements: tinderdate with Romero
XD
safe rose
Could just be a milliion other reasons
plush yew
if im being paid $25 an hour to answer emails... im not gonna go and do game dev for less
keen birch
I think that piece of paper is worth a lot less than just your portfolio ๐
plush yew
XD
safe rose
I never said it wasn't
I just said that it gives you more opportunites
And is not as worthless as others make it out to be
plush yew
here's the truth
government (At least in the usa) will not hire people without at least a BA
like that's standard
for most gov't positions
wary wave
There are companies who will put CVs with game degrees straight into the bin
plush yew
?
wary wave
less so than previously, but some still do
safe rose
That offer I had
Was originally for the good old Army
I would have been in charge of creating a team for some simulations for them
plush yew
Im saying that its standard... I live like right next to DC (30 mins away from dc and virginia) any positions i look at are gov't and require clearance + a BA degree at minimum
safe rose
But, that shit was in New Jersey
I live in South Carolina
I like my warm weather
If I am moving anywhere, it better be with nice weather.
wary wave
heh, I recall being offered that job
safe rose
Like back to San Diego
Yeah, that job was spread all over.
It's interesting how many pings you get from Linkedin though
wary wave
a lot; the vast majority of them a complete waste of your time
safe rose
Not all of them
wary wave
I ditched Linkedin years ago
safe rose
They just all require you to relocate
vapid cedar
That's my problem. I'm not in my desired field, at least not at the level I want. But if i started off in design or dev, then I know I'd only get maybe half of the salary I'm currently at. Life sucks. ๐ฆ
wary wave
relocation isn't an issue, I do it all the time
safe rose
Meh, I've had a lot of good offers
wary wave
the issue is recruiters who are utterly feckless contacting you constantly
safe rose
A lot of studios also just email me directly to cut through the bs.
@plush yew But anyway, what degree do you have and from where?
What's your portfolio like?
fierce tulip
@wary wave i forgot to check linkedin for a while, inbox & messages filled with "yo, im a headhunter for X"
safe rose
See, the biggest shit kids mess up in with these degrees. They don't do anything OUTSIDE of school
They just do the bare minimum and think they are going to learn every single thing they need to
I saw that happen so much at SCAD
I was like...
wary wave
several of the game degrees don't give you time to do anything outside of school
safe rose
GJ wasting that money
Hmm
Nah, there's 24 hours in a day
school is 4-6 hours a day
IF that
twice-four times a week
wary wave
the UK ones I've been involved with have 40 hours of tuition plus assignments
safe rose
I had PLENTY of time
I do admit, that I did poorly on my art stuff
Because I wasn't interested
So I concentrated on learning more coding
vapid cedar
That's a shit excuse I think. I work full time, have a side business, and still find time to do work for other projects..
plush yew
@safe rose It's a Digital Simualtion & Entertainment degree from University of Baltimore lol. We legit spent all our time making projects, and some of the teachers are from companies like bethesda, firaxis, and bioware.
safe rose
@vapid cedar exactly
plush yew
Most of the teachers actually worked in the field.
So yeah
anyways brb i gotta work for a bit
safe rose
This convo probably belonged in #career-chat I thought we were in there ๐
plush yew
xD
safe rose
so close
vapid cedar
I did too..
safe rose
vapid cedar
I think it's a pretty general convo.
safe rose
Meh, not really ue4 related tho
wary wave
it's industry related
vapid cedar
โข #career-chat - "Connect with people who are hiring or looking for work, share interview & resume tips. Read the first pinned post to learn how to get your job offers pinned."
wary wave
almost any conversation about Unreal specific things would only get directed to the Unreal specific channel
wild harbor
Nobody's complained yet so I think it should be fine here
and it's interesting reading.
safe rose
lol
cursive dirge
but just to support you guys
pallid compass
man people need to losen up jfc
safe rose
But anyway
fluid stag
just pretend general and lounge are one and the same, it's pretty much how it goes. the mods hoped to seperate them but it doesn't work with chat
safe rose
People need to stop using the lord's name in vain ๐
pallid compass
not like the chat is getting flooded while someone is after help
wild harbor
I'm complaining about not having a game dev job and it's my own dumb fault ;)
fluid stag
things here are organized a bit too much like forums
wary wave
Lord Buckethead?
safe rose
Lord British
vapid cedar
The only stat you should be looking at for a school, is the hire percentage and referral rate on completion of the course.
wary wave
hire percentage is usually useless
safe rose
Just because you go to a school, shouldn't mean you get a job automatically
cursive dirge
well, they could have just names #ue4-general like #ue-general and #lounge as #offtopic
wary wave
since they're often artificially inflated with irrelevance
vapid cedar
True, they mess with that stat.
cursive dirge
it would make the split more clear
wild harbor
and doesn't mean they got hired for what they wanted to do
safe rose
Aye
vapid cedar
Also true, but it could mean that they got into the industry somehow.
cursive dirge
or #unreal-chat
vapid cedar
Whether that's not their desired field, who cares at that point.
safe rose
I mean, going to a 4-year school to work in QA tester.,....
wild harbor
Depending on how they word it, just means they got hired somewhere. Could be contingent QA for all you know.
safe rose
fuck that
safe rose
Now that would be worthless
wary wave
"80% of graduates get relevant employment within a year!" - assuming retailing electronics is relevant for a CS degree or whatever
vapid cedar
Yeah that's true, if they can mess with the stat with "QA Tester"
safe rose
@plush yew Well, you said you found your degree worthless right?
Where's your portfolio?
vapid cedar
Man, the QA testing here, they get paid like $8/h for only like 10 hours a week.
safe rose
Did you work on projects outside of school @plush yew ?
How well did you network?
Did you get on everyone's nerve so you could make your name known all over?
Bad press= better no no press?
pallid compass
Play nice bois
safe rose
?
wild harbor
Bad press isn't necessarily good in the employment field
safe rose
Depends
cursive dirge
oh, this was #ue4-general , I totally thought this was #lounge ๐
vapid cedar
I remember there being a few people on Polycount that were just so bad, but because they were so bad.. They got some decent popularity, and their 'bad' designs turned into 'thematic', and I'm pretty sure they got jobs from that exposure. lol
pallid compass
Shhh it be okay 0lento
cursive dirge
but I want to object!
safe rose
Someone people's "bad press" can be "good press" for others
Also, it's all just opinion-based
cursive dirge
I don't really have any UE4 specific questions in mind
vapid cedar
Not saying to do bad stuff, just saying to try and get exposure.
Talk to a lot of people, discuss, show a lot of work.
pallid compass
Well dont feel like u cant ask if general is booping away
vapid cedar
Keep a 3D diary.
safe rose
@pallid compass How do I do UE4 Networking ezmode?
fluid stag
just be good at what you do and don't ask for a shitload of money straight up and you'll get a job
pallid compass
Photon? Lmao
pallid compass
Omg
fluid stag
pretty much works across any career
pallid compass
Multicast vfx on tick
wild harbor
yeah that was my problem is I sucked at networking back when I finished my coursework, not ashamed to admit it.
safe rose
@fluid stag ^^^^^
Pretty much
then once you have had enough clients and work coming in
ASK FOR MORE
cursive dirge
yeah, but to be good at what you do, you need to know shit beyond hat they taught you
fluid stag
mooooooooooore
mint raptor
@grim ore Have you covered 4.18 Media Player yet?
pallid compass
U gotta work hard and fast
safe rose
Definitely has been a good experience in that regard
pallid compass
And experiment
vapid cedar
Show and share your work, always and forever. You can't get a job if you're not fishing for one, even if you're fishing while asleep.
cursive dirge
issue with lots of students is that they are not driven to find things independently, many just focus on given assignments and don't even try to understand things better
wild harbor
Where's the best place to make a portfolio these days, anyway? I want to remake mine after my last host went away
safe rose
@wild harbor website
vapid cedar
Artstation
cloud cobalt
@wild harbor ArtStation
vapid cedar
pallid compass
Art station and lin thingy
vapid cedar
Anywhere
fluid stag
If your skill and knowledge does not go beyond a text book knowledge you won't seem impressive, if you're good, you'll be good, employers will notice you got the gene or the flair or whatever it is
pallid compass
Link
safe rose
depends on your profession I suppose
but putting it up on your own website won't hurt you at all
wild harbor
OK, I'll check out artstation
vapid cedar
ArtStation is great, if you make that one 'amazing' piece, you'll get crazy exposure. It acts as a resume and portfolio.
safe rose
vapid cedar
The front page cycles a lot.
worn granite
brb taking pictures of VS to put up on artstation
grim ore
@mint raptor I have not covered it in detail no. Just an overview of how it works now. There is a good chunk of documentation for it and Wes did an official walkthru of it on the UE4 livestreams.
wild harbor
Eh, website coding is my achilles heel, last time I tried to make a website I was still using tables for layouts.
safe rose
crummy website, outdated...still get lots of personal emails asking me for my services
mint raptor
@grim ore Is there a link to that walkthrough?
fluid stag
@worn granite for coding you need to have amusing code comments, that's what I have noticed
cloud cobalt
Though ArtStation is also really fucking hard to get any real view on, in my experience
fluid stag
lol
grim ore
@mint raptor https://youtu.be/ql2zvhzm6s8
fluid stag
do some really impressive hard surface, with awesome weathering and you'll get a job offer on artstation
mint raptor
@grim ore Thanks!
safe rose
Anyway
TL;DR: If anyone is shitting on a gamedev degree, either a) they don't know what they're talking about, b) got a degree but basically barely passed, c) dropped out from school or d) got a degree but never did anything during their time while going to school, or probably e) whatever
surreal viper
I am shitting on degree in general
you can be cool without a degree
and you can be retarded with one
worn granite
Can it also be, I dunno.
f) the degree is actually worth critique?
wild harbor
Any degree can get you extra pay though, depending on the industry.
surreal viper
that's just legend
wild harbor
Some companies, they'll hire you without, but you'll still get extra pay if you have one.
fluid stag
I don't know what a gamedev degree is, but its got an awfully broad name for a career that relies on very specific, well practiced skills
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
surreal viper
I have heared that but have never seen any proof of it and every real life example I have seen confirms it otherwise
degree not equals more money
wild harbor
While I know personal anecdotes mean nothing on the internet, I and people I know have experienced it.
safe rose
๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ
surreal viper
then me and my firends ended up working for the right companies ๐
fluid stag
moneybags!
wild harbor
my brother got lower pay at an I.T. job because he didn't have a degree, even though he had a boatload of certs.
Yeah that could be. Some companies just have....odd mindsets.
safe rose
Certs can sometimes equal degrees though
surreal viper
my firend got the best salary from the newbies in his year in IT, everyone else had a master degree from better universities, he had a shit bsc ๐
safe rose
Not sure about a Unity Cert though
wild harbor
Sony will pay contingent QA $1/hr extra if they have a degree, haha
safe rose
Though I am mad that Unreal doesn't have one yet
Since Epic does steal a lot of ideas from Unity
๐ญ
plush yew
How do you go from EXPLOSIVE ORDNANCE DISPOSAL TECHNICIAN to Game dev
plush yew
haha
plush yew
I bet
fluid stag
jfc your old gamemode was defusal @safe rose ?
safe rose
lol
plush yew
@safe rose Are you the guy who made Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes?
safe rose
I wish
I don't have that kind of money around
Or that damn cartoon game
that just came out
1 million sold in two weeks
plush yew
๐
safe rose
But yeah
safe rose
lol
Actually, if you all remember Westwood College Online
It was one of the first to offer game dev degrees
That commercial should bring back memories for some
plush yew
HJaha
safe rose
Anyway, I was in Japan in 2002 and was going to apply for their degree
But I got sent to Kuwait
During OIF/OEF
plush yew
Im not american so I dont remember that but I was a Game tester at EA
safe rose
So that chance for my gamedev start vanished
plush yew
Ye ๐ฆ
safe rose
Took 11 years and a different degree to get there
plush yew
I tested Battlefield bc Burnout paradise and a few others
safe rose
Heh, QA testing isn't a bad place to be starting out
You can learn a lot
Especially now, with UX being so big
plush yew
It is if you work at EA, they dont give a shit about thier employees and there is not a real path from game tester - game dev
fiery hemlock
Hey @safe rose i was looking for you ๐ can i shoot a DM?
plush yew
Well i'm going back now but I doubt its changed
safe rose
@fiery hemlock Sure
plush yew
Damn why do maths equations have to be so hard to read
safe rose
@plush yew Meh, I don't know. You have to have some empathy for some of these bigger companies
Well, corporations really
That's why I can't poop too hard on Epic for doing what they do
They need to make the bosses (their shareholders) happy
And with Tencent taking up 45%?
Or something rediculous, gotta make China happy
Same with EA
fluid stag
the ultimate destination of almost every company that is run that way seems to be a revolving door below a certain level though
safe rose
and the other places people hate on
plush yew
Yes but there is no need to treat your employees like they are just meat for the grinder
safe rose
Not saying it's right
fluid stag
workers, lower management etc
plush yew
It was fine they actually treated me ok. It was just the sens of worthless ness
safe rose
I could probably take any job from any studio and excel
But that's because I've probably been in much worse situtations in my life
vale halo
Anyone know if there is a way to use multiple subsystems in blueprints? For example: If I'd want to use the amazon plugin for my authentication, but the null subsystem for the rest, would that be possible?
safe rose
Well, I know I have
plush yew
I went on to brighter things from there anyway I travelled the world
vale halo
(In c++ it'd be a matter of grabbing the right subsystem, but I see no functionality like this in c++ ๐ค)
safe rose
@vale halo You would have to do a custom subsystem I think
But you should be able to get those hooks in from the interface
plush yew
Can anyone here explain the Eikonal equation to a programmer I mean its hard to understand from the equation on wikipedia.
I mean I know what it does
and what I want to use it for
but I can't grasp the math very easily
dreamy quartz
@plush yew tbh how does game testing look like?
cause I know only normal IT testing and that's just writing code
that tests code
plush yew
It was in 2008-2009 when I was doing that so a lot has probably changed. You do not write code at all. You just play games lol. Its not unit testing
frank escarp
there is a thing with companies
the higher ups control the mood of the whole company
and its "values"
if you have a "visionary" at the top, the whole company will be visionaires. If you have a money grubbing cold bastard at the top, same thing
plush yew
Track bugs in database
frank escarp
wich is EA
plush yew
Ye very true vblanco
dreamy quartz
@plush yew testing with code is not only unit testing
plush yew
I know
dreamy quartz
you have many degrees that can be tested
games theoretically could also
like, bots that play games
and test them
plush yew
That wont work
fluid stag
cursive dirge
if you use Unity, you can get their certification ๐
fluid stag
looks like a gamer to me
plush yew
Bots playing games wont find the hard bugs that will make your game get rejected by sony or MS
dreamy quartz
@frank escarp you did bots that tested game?
frank escarp
yes
this is a bot that extends from the normal player class
it aims for the closest enemy
and keeps teleporting around randomly
i use it to test performance, do benchmarks, and check that the game is winnable
(it has godmode btw)
plush yew
Ye but the kind of testing I was doing required a human player
there is no bot that could carry that out
plush yew
Ye no doubt
frank escarp
of course, for a plataformer it aint that easy
fluid stag
did you do things like finding where props clip each other and crouch jump to see if you can get stuck? ๐
frank escarp
but a bot going through a "test level" where he tests that if you jump on enemies they die, if you touch spikes you die, etc
fluid stag
lol
plush yew
Making the game crash was a art form
frank escarp
and well, the typical monkey
plush yew
they devs hated it
frank escarp
put a bot that moves randomly and presses all keys
dreamy quartz
human testing is nice, but it's expensive and slower
so it's good in the ending phase of software release
plush yew
Inm the case of games you need testers from the start
dreamy quartz
but during development I prefer fast regression tests that will tell developer "hey, yesterday your commit broke Spell XYZ"
frank escarp
testing spells is problematic
dreamy quartz
it's just lack of tools ๐ I see my mission now
frank escarp
but yeah, Leage of legends has this
they have a system to "bot" games to test each ability in the game
like, puts 2 npcs one by the other, and tells the bot on A to shoot a fireball to B
and then checks if B took the correct damage given the damage formula
fluid stag
testers are nice because they can point out obvious bugs like : your game is currently boring
dreamy quartz
and then check if LoS works properly, etc
fluid stag
things you might not have the objectivity for
vale halo
@safe rose
VictorBurgos - Today at 5:20 PM
@HowToCompute You would have to do a custom subsystem I think
But you should be able to get those hooks in from the interface
``` Late reply ^^ Anyway, I guess I may have to ๐ค I was planning on creating a part of my own subsystem so I can quickly prototype some stuff in blueprints without steam, but having to copy all of the code is such a huge pain ๐ค Thanks for your answer though ๐maybe you're just really clever ๐ค
plush yew
I already coded it
without knowing what it was
nah I doubt it
Im average intellect
strange inlet
Hi. Not sure what channel to ask this in. I'm learning Unreal Engine. I've made a level where I've dropped like one static mesh into a default map. It's got a item named "Player Start". When I press "play", this creates a bunch of objects like a Mode, a Session, a camera, a Pawn, etc. My understanding is that this is part of Unreal Gameplay Framework, and that player start is somehow creating a "Mode" which is responsible for controlling Pawns and PlayerControllers and all that. I can find lots of docs explaining how to use the Pawns and such. The thing is I don't really want all of that for this project, I just want to position the camera in a particular place and then control what happens by writing a blueprint. Is there a way to see what the current "mode" is, or replace or delete it, or to find where Unreal is hiding the logic that is turning this Player Start object into all these other pawny objects when I press play?
My World Settings GameMode is "None"
โฆokay, it isn't player start that's doing this. if i press play it just spawns the pawn and all these other things. i don't know why it's doing this
plush yew
@strange inlet if world setting game mode is none
it will ussee the default in project settings
vale halo
You're kind of stuck with the basics if I'm not mistaken, you can change it though
plush yew
Project Settings => Maps and Modes
vale halo
For example: You can change your map's pawn to just be a character, and not add any movement logic to it so you can achieve the result you're hoping for, if that makes senes
strange inlet
Okay. So what I need to do is create a game mode, and then make the game mode "empty", and then select that as the current mode?
kindred viper
you will be in the same spot if you do that. a default game mode will load up the base pawn, controller, spectator as usual, and as it is doing now with your project. What you do is go into the Game mode and change them to your custom pawn and controller
strange inlet
I went into World Settings, I set GameMode override to a new empty mode, I set default pawn class to character, hud class to None, player contorller class to a new player controller EmptyPlayerController, game state class to GameStateBase, player state class to PlayerState, and spectator class to SpectatorPawn
Do I assume I can set the Game Mode to pick those default classes , so I can just use that "empty" game mode in any new map I create?
plush yew
hey guys
pallid compass
@unkempt axle so how much does back tracer cost
plush yew
if you export a 16 bit png, you do it in Photoshop in 16 bits per channel mode. is there any reason that you can only export targa files from 8 bits per channel mode even though it asks if you would like a 16 bit, 24 bit or 32 bit targa?
another question, targas without alpha channels should be exported with 24 bits, and with alpha channels 32 bits, correct?
fierce tulip
ue4 dues not support 16 bit png, you wont be able to export em from ue4 again, also their srgb/gamma information will be wrong
and yes, 24 bits on the targa
(unless they recently changed something that could allow for 16 bit png but dont think so)
sweet crane
Is there a private room in this discord for the meetup group leads?
fierce tulip
not that I know of
maiden swift
@sweet crane There is a seperate Discord server for that. Reach out to Amanda Bott via the official forums about gaining access.
arctic drum
Yo, why are my W/E/R keys not triggering my Move/Rotate/Scale tools?
Actually, it feels like my hotkeys aren't working AT ALL
fierce tulip
spacebar should be swapping between em as well
sometimes accidentally pressing alt-gr and shift or something results in hotkeys not working
vapid cedar
Tap Alt and Ctrl a few times, maybe something got stuck?
fierce tulip
^ that
vapid cedar
Usually the goto for any hotkey problems. lol
arctic drum
turns out I can use my MRS tools on child objects but not on the root object
Yet I can scale the root object by putting the numbers I want in the scale fields.
sand wolf
I wonder if i made the right decision, just dropped $150 to make an FPS game with generic shooter.
grim ore
depends on your goal? if you are going to have fun doing it then sounds great.
sand wolf
Yeah, I guess I'll be having fun.
Learning, making a game, and maybe even selling it in the future.
I was working on a standalone multiplayer project, but I felt that there was too much pressure
grim ore
aim for the first part, just making a game for yourself, and you should be happy with your decision ๐
always a good learning experience for future stuff
void geyser
anyone get any good stuff on deals this weekend?
fierce tulip
does good sales also count :p
void geyser
hey, you're the guy that has particle animations on the workshop, yea?
fierce tulip
workshop?
fierce tulip
yea, im one of them
void geyser
seen your stuff, checked out some of your youtube videos, impressive stuff ๐
fierce tulip
thanks!
void geyser
super jealous, i have no eye or talent for art/animation haha
fierce tulip
well I suck at anything not art, so..
void geyser
did you get a lot of sales this weekend?
fierce tulip
yea, for a one day sale i cant complain at all
fierce tulip
thanks ๐
void geyser
wish i had known there was a sale, definitely would've grabbed some stuff! i'll have to keep my eye out for any other sales ๐
fierce tulip
there should be another one around end of december, like last year
void geyser
awesome! i'm just finally getting around to playing with unreal, been building a web app for some time.. blah
picked this up this past weekend, my current desktop is one i built in 2012, so it's time to upgrade haha
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-panzer-desktop-intel-core-i7-7700k-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-2tb-hdd-240gb-ssd-white/5715449.p?skuId=5715449
fierce tulip
not bad, should be a rather fine rig to run ue4 on
void geyser
there was a 1080ti pre-built on amazon for $1499 but it sold out suuuper fast
so Luos do most people just buy your stuff off marketplace, or is it more common for people to commission effects and such?
if you don't mind me asking
fierce tulip
both, I do client work and sell mp stuff. atm its about 50/50 on time spend for each
void geyser
so this stuff is your full time job right now though basically?
fierce tulip
not basically, it def is.
void geyser
that's so cool!
fierce tulip
for 2.5 year now
void geyser
congrats!
fierce tulip
thanksies! ๐
it was quite a risk, but im really fortunate that it paid off.
but then again, i have no intend to be some AAA artist, I just do what I love doing and am content doing so. which is something id suggest to everyone. if possible, find something you love doing
void geyser
yea, currently working at a company as a software engineer, doing some game stuff on the side
maybe one day i'll jump in full time, but we'll see ๐
fluid stag
wow
oh, you have imgresizeuer
is that non-destructive?
can you scale down then back up
fierce tulip
none of my content in that list, ban! :p
brave lark
I'll share, but per market place terms of service my name needs to be in the credits of your project for you to be allowed to use any of it
fierce tulip
screenshots this
tepid steeple
You can do that? :/
So wierd
@fierce tulip You got a link to some of your things? Wanna have a look
maiden swift
@tepid steeple @brave lark Please do not discuss piracy on this server. Under no circumstances do we tolerate the discussion or act of illegally sharing Marketplace assets.
This will be your one and only warning.
tepid steeple
@maiden swift I was only joking but sure thing. Huge fan of UE4 and wouldn't want to hurt the community.
floral heart
On the topic of hurting the community...
I don't see a fat unicorn in that list.
jade widget
Hello, i wanna ask something about collision problem, i have a plane mesh and a tunnel, my plane should fly just inside the tunnel. I already applied collision to both of them (plane and tunnel itself) and used CCD, my problem is
sometimes, my plane still can pass the tunnel's wall and go outside the tunnel (sometimes only)
idk why this happen ๐
are there any solution of my problem ??? thanks ๐
brave lark
@maiden swift whoa whoa whoa I just told him what the terms of service are. That's not piracy. I'd have to be apart of his project in some way shape or form for him to have access to those assets.
"I'll share, but per market place terms of service my name needs to be in the credits of your project for you to be allowed to use any of it"
Litterally what I wrote up there unedited
Granted the discussion didn't even make it far enough to talk about working together, but I assure you that was my intention.
weary basalt
We would rather there be an miscommunication and warn users than let those nefarious types of conversations slide.
Im confident that you certainly didnt mean for that comment to be construed the way it did but your wording was rather confusing.
Eitherway no harm done, be mindful in the future as there are alot of Marketplace sellers in this community (myself included) who would most certainly not like to see talk of their packs being shared wrongfully (whether that was your intention or not).
cloud cobalt
@brave lark Also "having the name in credits" is definitely not something that enables sharing of assets. Pooling assets between organizations is explicitely prohibited.
brave lark
@cloud cobalt you're telling me that if I work with another studio and we both use assets that we individually own that THAT is not acceptable?
For example, if I use something like dungeon architect and I am the one responsible for level layout and I am working with another studio to make a game, that I am not allowed to do that?
Because if I do that and we use source control then everyone in the source control gets a copy of the project that contains DA. Or weapon master or auto landscape material. Litterally anything that is bought to make my job easier is not something I am allowed to use if I work in tandem with another studio?
cloud cobalt
@brave lark If you work with another studio, both companies need to buy the assets individually, from my understanding
Though I suspect in such a case, Epic wouldn't really care
floral heart
It's explained fairly plainly in the EULA.
cloud cobalt
What I'm saying is, if your common work is only sharing the assets, that's explicitely forbidden
brave lark
Well of course that's just copy and pasting and getting paid
Which is straight up stealing.
cloud cobalt
My point is, sharing assets to someone in exhange for you name in credits (and no further collaboration on the project) is explicitely something you can't do.
floral heart
This isn't legal advice, but the intention seems to be that assets can filter downwards. E.g. The employer buys assets and then the employees can use them. No other allowances are made.
brave lark
Oh no that is not at all what I was saying
cloud cobalt
Epic is fully aware that many developers are not really companies at all, and as such, share assets on a "project" base rather than a "company" base, so their policy allows that
brave lark
Yeah it's not like I was saying let me zip up those files for you in exchange for my name in the credits. I see where that could have been interpreted though.
safe rose
Don't worry, people misread/misinterpret shit all the time on here
safe rose
๐
brave lark
I speak super blunt and straight forward so this is common for me
brave lark
I wasn't sure if I was put on a list after that warning comment.
brave lark
Aha ๐
tender dome
Hey guys, i know basics of c++ so how should I start coding in UE, should I start with BP or use c++ or should I use 2D libraries such as sfml before jumping into UE
tough flint
hello, can anyone help me in #animation with state machines please? don't want to bother the person who's helping me right now and interrupt his work
will appreciate it a lot
: )
west fulcrum
@XtRNAg#7646 I prefer to create C++ project, code core funcionality there, extending in BP if needed ( usually reacting to events created in C++ ).. Also from time to time I prototype in BP and then rewrite to C++ ...If you ara asking this ๐
tepid steeple
Haha sorry for almost starting a flame war guys ๐ Not my intention. Have a good night all!
upper heart
@wary wave so much spam on this thread https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/announcements-and-releases/1374252-unreal-engine-4-18-released/page14
wary wave
ergh, thanks
I shall equip the hammer of the righteous and enact a furious banning spree
upper heart
#203, #207, #208
wary wave
that's 207 for me
upper heart
hm weird. 209 is the last post on the thread for me
wary wave
must be because I can see deleted posts
upper heart
ahh okay
wary wave
so if there were already 4 deleted posts, my numbers might be 4 off from yours
useful >.<
upper heart
lol ๐
wary wave
this is particularly broken given that you can link directly to post numbers
upper heart
yeah it looks like that uses a different id in the link
wary wave
anyway, the hammer has been brought down ^^
upper heart
awesome, thank you ๐
wary wave
no problem!
honest vale
wary wave
Yeah, it's a bit dead in here now it's 'Unreal' chat
sacred crater
it's only been unreal-chat for under a dya
that's not really indicative of it's performance :p
wary wave
this channel has never been dead for more than a couple of hours in the past :p
wary wave
pretty much
pallid compass
yup, people got too upset with general chat in here when it was empty
fierce tulip
should turn to normal fast enough
upbeat trench
young cliff
Hey all, I've just packaged my game and when I run it windows flags up with an error message "windows has protected your PC" and stops me from being able to run the game. I've googled this and found this answer https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/541617/bypass-windows-smartscreen.html - but it seems quite drawn out. Is there another, simpler, way to stop windows from flagging my game?
grim ore
for the most part it's windows being windows ๐ฆ
tender dome
@west fulcrum that's not what I asked but thanx anyway
I'm asking how should I start using UE
grim ore
Pick one of these 2 sites and go to town. https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Programming/index.html or https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Blueprints/
both have intro and learning sections as well as more detailed parts to learning. If you want to learn the engine itself minus a specific language you can go to https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/GettingStarted/index.html and use one of the quick start guides
TLDR: There is no right way to start, you have to pick what you want to accomplish then start with doing that. I would personally start with learning how the engine interface works and then move on to blueprints then extend that to C++ if needed.
cloud cobalt
@young cliff If you're doing this for fun it's probably not an issue, if you're serious about it, you won't have that issue with Steam, for example
This warning is for downloaded files (from a browser)
young cliff
Thanks @cloud cobalt - unfortunatly, its a prototype I was looking to release insitially. The startup error is okay to be honest, but windows seem to destory the executable which is real problem
cloud cobalt
Uh, depends on what you click
There is an option to run it, it's just made less visible
young cliff
Yeah, I saw that, I did manage to run it, but it seems to delete the executable once I quit the game, which I've not been able to figure out why.
cloud cobalt
That's pretty surprising
young cliff
yeah.. i was pretty suprised as well, I've got bitdefender, but I couldn't find out if it was BD or windows which is deleting the file
grim ore
Windows Defender is a pain in the ass sometimes and I wouldn't doubt it doing that lol ๐ฆ
I had an issue with a rar compressed .exe getting nuked by defender all the time lol
cloud cobalt
Haven't used an AV for a decade, so dunno.
young cliff
okay, found it, it was BitDefender deleting the file thinking that its malicious ๐ฆ - so frustrating..
grim ore
๐ฆ
cloud cobalt
Welcome to AV programs, I guess
young cliff
@grim ore did you figure out how to stop it from doing that? Mine was a zip file which I extracted (Altho, it was compressed using winRAR)
young cliff
๐ฆ dang
cloud cobalt
What you can do is tell users it's not actually a virus
AV programs target aggressively stuff that's downloaded from a browser because it's the most obvious infection vector there is
So you have to educate
Wait for people to stop using AVs
young cliff
Yeah, this is what I was thinking. Any ideas on other ways I can release the game? Its just a prototype so its not ready to get fully published, but I do need to push it out on my website for users to download and try out.
tender dome
@grim ore I want to learn coding IN UE so is learning BP before c++ be helpful to me
vapid cedar
There's a udemy course on UE4 C++ that goes over BP as well, I'd suggest that. I didn't go through the full course, so I can't advocate how great it is, but seems good.
wary wave
I would not suggest Udemy
young cliff
@cloud cobalt - thanks.
wary wave
there's something screwy with their business practices and they get a lot of bad press from people who use their 'service'
their practice of having everything "on sale" all the time is also not legal in most countries, yet it always is
tender dome
I could learn from YouTube videos but is BP before c++ really helpful
grim ore
@tender dome well you said you know C++ right? you can jump into learning C++ in UE4 using the above documentation or just put that off and learn the engine first (recommended) and blueprints (recommended). I recommend learning BP as even if you do it all in C++ blueprints are still used for certain things.
most of the time you still expose C++ to Blueprints and use Blueprints to set up your scene
tender dome
Okk I could do it, I've got UE tutorials from digital tutors, do you know anything else
grim ore
Tons of them for free on YouTube on the Unreal Engine channel as well as the links above
even if you skip blueprints you should still try and learn the engine itself. What is where and how what works where
tender dome
Any specific channels/playlist on YT
grim ore
It's older but its still applicable, the basic intro to UE4 series from Epic at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4XlBKeE46E&list=PLZlv_N0_O1gasd4IcOe9Cx9wHoBB7rxFl
the rest of their playlists are "good enough" for starting then by that point you should have a goal and then just find something to learn that ๐
tender dome
I wanna Start with BP so as to know what kind of functions or libraries might be there or how to use them
Also there is a book called as the art of BP has anyone read it
plush yew
Books can become outdated pretty fast. Especially when systems are updated from time to time. Writing a book for a specific engine like unreal most like is not explaining the new/current stuff, but will give a good overview for specific engine versions.
@tender dome you are taking about Master the Art of Unreal Engine 4 - Blueprints? Didn't read it but it was published more than 2 years ago... And written even earlier
pliant hornet
anyone gotten a swarm crash that says non-zero failure? I keep getting that same error while building my lightmaps but nothing in the map check says whats wrong......anyone else had this happen before?
brittle gyro
hey folks, is there a way to register a callback to a trigger volume (C++) so that my listener can just be notified when an object collides with it?
brittle gyro
@here Nevermind, found the solution here (kinda, enough info to make my work happen) https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/c-gameplay-programming/33614-onactorhit-delegate-how-do-they-work
brittle gyro
coming from Unity I was always happy to use the camera viewport widget in the main editor screen. it there no equivalent in UE4 to change how the game viewport is aligned (EG touch an axis to look down it, click central hub to change between orthogonal and perspective)?
vapid cedar
brittle gyro
@vapid cedar That's exactly what I mean, in Unity the XYZ widget is basically a control that allows you to click around to rotate the camera to lock into different planes as well as toggle between orthogonal and perspective. other than using the 4 grid which is usually overkill for what I'm trying to do. https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/SceneViewNavigation.html
plush yew
Is there any animators here?
brittle gyro
just thinking that would be pretty handy to have in ue as well
vapid cedar
@plush yew Check #animation You'll get an easier response there
brittle gyro
was thinking maybe that's something someone is selling as an addon or something
vapid cedar
@plush yew If you're looking to hire specific people, then you'll want to make a post on #looking-for-talent
brittle gyro
@plush yew similar to IRC, you just have to sqat around.
brittle gyro
that's just my opinion but if my time on the internet has taught me anything it's that you wait for good things and bad things somehow install in the background. ๐ฆ
tender dome
@plush yew yeah that's the one, but now I'm thinking of using some YT tutorials thanx
mint raptor
So in 4.18 my Seek seems to have broken? I can't seem to seek any more
It returns false when I try to seek
So odd it didn't like me using Milliseconds but using Seconds is ok
Oh well
half mango
heya
anyone have problems baking light specifically on a bit more complexed curved objects?
like curves especoailly
such as an architrave door frame
using insanely high settings and lightmap resolutions and from what i see my lightmap is decent but it doesnt help
like this shadow bleed stuff on the window and ledge
cloud cobalt
That's... Pretty incredibly high quality
I guess you've tried the usual checklist of things to test ?
Second UV set, spacing islands etc..
half mango
yeah plenty of spacing
second channel
everything is fine really but not this
maybe too high poly or something
half mango
just realized
it could be the triangulation method
cus it's all tri's in UE4 and once i import into there it automatically tri's all the quads
so i've tried with the auto one and also from the sketchup exporter it triangulates it once it gets to blender
but maybe i should do neither and triangulate it in blender?
just a bit confused with these triangulate options
crisp spoke
hey all open question I asked earlier. But I am trying to get Substance painter to match closer to unreal 4 presets... I know there is live link, but I prefer to keep things in substance as much as possible. I heard from a number of industry friends (including ones who managed high level outsourcing ) that they made a preset that matches ue4 that they share...my question is does anyone know of this or have a copy of this floating around? (Sorry I dont know the best place to technically ask this question as there is overlap)
pallid compass
ahhh i only use substance for compositing sadly ๐ฆ
whole scroll
man.. is it supposed to take forever to compile shaders every time i open a new project?
safe rose
yes
uneven fractal
Is the a node that outputs how far up or down a players is looking like how get actor foward vector gets the direction the mesh is facing?
tough flint
hey can I get some help for state machines please?
need to set a key to activate a shooting animation but nobody's answering
keen birch
@plush yew Because you're not nearly specific enough in your job post, and it's unpaid
(For me as a BP guy looking for work, that is)
plush yew
@keen birch We are going to pay our employees once we release the game
keen birch
And in almost every case that ends up as "you won't get paid"
plush yew
We have a team already
We pay our employees
Otherwise it's not a company
It's a slave camp
lilac silo
Thatโs a good point. So if you developed an entire game but trashed it at the last second, you wouldnโt pay employees for months of work?
wary wave
That's how royalty projects work, yes
also, if the game actually gets finished, then goes on to sell say, 3 copies, you'll still get nothing
lilac silo
I donโt support that
The only way you can benefit is if the game sells loads of copies
wary wave
either way - you can't call it paid because there's no guarantee anyone will ever see a penny, and you can't call them employees because you are not employing them
keen birch
That's my point
Your intention is to pay people, I get that
But at the moment I do the work because I need to eat, that's basically unpaid
And it's not that I have something aginst what you're doing or anything like that, but the point I'm trying to convey is that for most freelancers royalty = unpaid
keen birch
You can't get food on the promise that you might get paid in two years, basically
lilac silo
Yep
keen birch
@plush yew
keen birch
That said, your job post is just unappealing... It's not detailed, you don't even say if you want C++ or BP, you don't say what kind of game it is, you don't say what the person's meant to program...
I could go on, but you probably get the idea ๐
No, here's the thing
I trust you
Or at least, "trust"
I don't distrust you
But the fact stands that most royalty projects fail miserably without anyone involved ever seeing a cent
lilac silo
These may be good for people wanting to learn
plush yew
I don't understand why anyone would want to do royalty unless they were super passionate about the project
keen birch
And most people who know what they're doing in the industry because they've been doing it for a while are absolutely aware of that
lilac silo
But for people who actually want to make money, itโs a shot in the dark
keen birch
Exactly, royalty projects are for new devs who want to learn but want to work on something cool