SO after some digging, they appear to use 5 master material's for walls?
#ue4-general
pallid compass
each one they just slightly tweak the settings like
what why
also
first time iv seen a material node with all that extra stuff?
My guess is old ue4 stuff.
fierce tulip
Ben/EvilMrFrank was also complaining about how bad a lot of stuff in Ark was set up
pallid compass
Dude did i ever show u there material for the animated tek door?
fierce tulip
yea you did hehe
fierce tulip
need to do some chores first, be back in about 20
floral heart
It probably calculates specular twice.
floral heart
It's only going to have a cost if it's used by a material in the scene.
pallid compass
I mean u gotta change the shader model, but when i turned it on
all my materials recompiled
yeah thought so thanks
whats the name of the mesh ue4 use to preview materials?
frosty copper
it's probably the primitive meshes found in "Engine" folders
pallid compass
im searching for it and cant find it, maybe im blind af
frosty copper
You'll need to enable Engine content visibility first
On the content browser with the folders & collections and shit, there's a dropdown somewhere with checkboxes, and Engine Content is one of 'em
you'll have to pardon my lack of fidelity or screenies, don't have any engine installed currently. xD
frosty copper
๐
wary wave
you can pretty much ignore anything Ark does, it's an absolute fucking nightmare
total amateur hour, it's no wonder the game is in such an atrocious state
frank escarp
@pallid compass cleacoat is VERY expensive
wary wave
some of the blueprints look like someone ate a tin of paint, inhaled some spaghetti, then vomited the results onto a blackboard
frank escarp
reflection/specular cals are some of the expensive ones on the light side, cleacoat doubles it at minimum
its meant for specific things like car paint or similar, but its not advised to spam it as its slow
frosty copper
... I kinda want to make a pointless clearcoat material for a SPAM can, then spam it all over a map... for no other purpose than pure shits & giggles
fair violet
@pallid compass 5 Materials in a chain.... wow. No wonder it has such poor performance. I wonder if itโs lack of experience or just slapping things together as quickly as possible?
pallid compass
Gotcha thanks, i was just being noisey about clear coat haha
oh dw
iv seen worse in there
U wann see how they handle changing the colour of objects
fair violet
Holy shit
fair violet
I canโt even comprehend- does that produce some godly looking tint?
fair violet
Well I guess the upside is that as long as your game idea is good itโll sell
pallid compass
They pass everything first
fair violet
No matter how poorly itโs made
pallid compass
through this
wait ino what the best thing is
There shader for there tek door
Just to clarify
Thats not even half of it
i cant even zoom out
fair violet
Can you show a shot of the door? ๐
fair violet
And I was feeling bad for adding a detail normal....
pallid compass
But the ripple looks awful
fair violet
Wow just wow
pallid compass
ye LOL
fair violet
Well that was an eye opening experience ๐
pallid compass
im sure if i dug deeper i could find worse
dude have u ever seen this before
They have a SSAO inputs?
and an AO input
fair violet
Nah never- either a mod to the engine or very early version but I donโt remember that ever being there
pallid compass
yeah no one seams to know, very unusual
I cant see them being able to mod in SSAO tho, i doubt they had the team for it
frosty copper
O_o that.... honestly looks like they overcomplicated things by a considerable margin
pallid compass
i rly do hate to dev slate
but there so arrogant
i once had a massive arugement with the lead developer on there redit
because i managed to reduce the tri count in there walls by 94% ish lmao
they had like 3k tri walls i think
and people had like 10k in there bases
fair violet
Itโs fine to take a critical look at other work especially if that work has millions of players / loads of revenue. Itโd be different if it was one guy just trying to learn.
Always interesting to see how successful projects look under the hood, good and bad
wary wave
I dunno, I'm routinely pretty disparaging of their stuff in the Arkmodding Discord, lol
wary wave
the game still has loads of really stupid bugs though
fair violet
If anything itโs good motivation to work hard if that is the standard to beat
wary wave
for example snapping structures to things often doesn't work properly and the thing you placed doesn't end up where you put it
how hard is it to snap object A to point B?
fair violet
I played like 20 mins of it and stopped, just wasnโt my thing + was clunktown
But itโs clearly had some kind of impact
Probably because no other game was out like it
Kind of like H1Z1 before battlegrounds
pallid compass
Put it this way guys
fair violet
People will play the most unpolished clunky mess games for months if the idea is good
pallid compass
I use to lead the european core of "Discord" we where one of the Mega Alpha tribes who ruled and had enough prescences that even Sparterns wouldnt touch us
and we had a huge vault system inside a cave
this is on offical btw
and we had 3 wall's through the cave
and each wall was packed with around 400 turrets full
and we kept messaging the devs and telling them there was ways to slip through the mesh walls
and we even knew the map designer of the dlc forget his name now
and we told them for a week straight to fix it
wary wave
Scorched Earth?
pallid compass
what happens? bunch of people slip through the walls in to the back
no the first one
Worse part about it?
U get banned
wary wave
The Center is a 3rd party mod
pallid compass
for putting structures inside mesh's
fair violet
Hahha wow
wary wave
(by EvilMrFrank)
pallid compass
so we where not even allowed to defend our selfs.
fair violet
Great way to deal with that
pallid compass
Yeah EvilMrFrank
That was it
btw we had been around 2 years + at this point
so we had an insane collection of stuff
after that, and all sort of other crap most of us just quit
i think i logged around 5k hours ish
pallid compass
Offical was brutal af
wary wave
Ark is a fine game when you realise it's an RTS
pallid compass
Yup
wary wave
but it's biggest problem is no end game condition
pallid compass
Basically a game of chess
fair violet
Damn you definitely got your moneyโs worth with 5K hours!
wary wave
so people just amass ridiculous piles of resources and dominate everything, forever
fair violet
So even though itโs unpolished you still liked it right? The concept shone through
pallid compass
Im the onlyt person to ever build in lava as far as i know
The concept was good except for few MAJOR flaws
the devs where bad
wary wave
my biggest problem with it is that the game hasn't improved since I picked it up in a bundle whilst it was in Early Access something like 2 years ago
frosty drift
What takes longer, compiling ark shaders or wasting time on a base before a troll alpha tribe wrecks your shirt ๐ค
pallid compass
Compiling ark shaders
took me 30 mins last time with i7 6800k @ 4.2ghz 6 cores
was so stupid
frosty drift
Yeah wasting time on a base only takes 100 hours
pallid compass
That would be an outdated picture of our old base.
frosty drift
Took about a day on my comp to compile
frosty drift
It's all about building out in water apparently
pallid compass
now it might be, alot has changed
oh fuck yeah
check this out
@wary wave
This is prob the biggest fucking we got off the ark dev's
See that base above
frosty drift
My buddies are doing it... can't justify putting more time in the game
pallid compass
We build the inside walls, out of vaults man, it was insane we spent weeks farming non stop and vaulted the roof and walls right
and then they decided to shrink vaults
and fuck all our storage
and our walls
look at this
frosty drift
The fact that wildcard devs join pvp tribes is just... dirty
pallid compass
With out any warning, they shrunk the vaults, and the worst part was they knew we loads of people where using them as walls
wary wave
they shrank them because people were using them as walls, heh
pallid compass
hean
So annoying
Actually
Wann see something funny
We actually Wiped out the number 1 chinese streamer Mega tribe
This was there base at around the mid way point of the raid right
when we finished
LOL
frosty drift
And then the rollback happened?
pallid compass
no thank god lmao
we did crash the server around 30 times though
due to so much going on
they where full of aim bots and had the most insane internal network of tunnels it was a pain
wary wave
one thing I don't get though, why the rings with turrets on them?
pallid compass
i think it took us about 30 hours
wary wave
surely that makes the turrets vulnerable, since you can just target the ring?
pallid compass
They built there base like that, so the structure was not all connected
to bypass the build limit
wary wave
aha
frosty drift
What kind of mega tribe doesnt log in 30 hours?
frosty drift
Wat
pallid compass
it was about 20v40
the siege took us 30 ish hours
to wipe there first base
we had massive breeding farms on other servers
so we would bring bronto's in
in waves of 10-20
and just soak all there ammo
we also used Suicide dragon's
we trapped C4 to dragon's and used there speed to smash them in to the side of the buildings
strapped*
frosty drift
Well if it was rag a few Griffin would do a lot of dmg
pallid compass
We didnt finish there second base though
Some guy called Razenblood
the leader of Sparterns n1 mega alpha
came in and started taking our birds
and we where like dont take our birds, bring your own
he was like
"im razenblood i do what the fuck i want"
so we where like okay
packed all our shit up and left lmao
frosty drift
Heh
pallid compass
then he was like oh no i sorry
but we didnt go back
so many funny memories from that game
frosty drift
How mant hours did you put into it?
pallid compass
Theres a screen shot of me attached to someone's boat by grappling hook, water skiing, as im firing rockets at them lmao
around 5k
frosty drift
Sounds about right.
frosty drift
Maybe one day wildcard will know what they're doibg
pallid compass
yes and pigs will fly
plush yew
I dont remember what settings I turned on is causing this noob me ๐
Can someone hep me?
pallid compass
man iv got one non planer face on the side of an edge loop i cant fix and its driving me mental
ashen brook
@pallid compass and others: friendly reminder that this is an on-topic chat channel. If you want to chat about games you play, use #lounge instead!
ebon saffron
Doesn't really make sense they are just generally talking about a game related subject . So what is general chat for then?
floral heart
It was about Ark's usage of UE4 being poor, which was related, but drifted into reminiscing about playing Ark, which was not related.
ebon saffron
I guess . But general is such an ambiguous word it can mean anything
floral heart
I assume every channel here is for UE4/epic stuff specifically. Except #lounge and #server-feedback.
pallid compass
gotcha sorry!
stuff like me rambling on about old times is really for longue
when u have 50k faces to UV
pls no
ashen brook
@ebon saffron General chat is for talking about UE4
and yeah
we've had a poll to rename it, just waiting for the big guy to come back and make a final decision
paper kernel
Question: how does collision detection know when surface below is moving?
plush yew
Sometimes, the unreal editor buttons don't respond. Like clicking play won't play and clicking the close button won't close the window.
Is there a way to fix that
paper kernel
does it calculate the location from collision object origin by offset
ashen brook
@urban salmon might know this, @paper kernel - I believe he thoroughly took apart the CharacterMovementComponent a while back
oak linden
As someone who has never done this before -
Can anyone point me in the right direction for creating animated materials?
Not sure where to start
pallid compass
content examples project in learning tab
oak linden
Thanks
fierce tulip
what kind of animated materials?
oak linden
blood running down an object
fierce tulip
very specific, yea i'd take a look at some of the content example showcases, then work your wayto some tutorial about rain drops on windows or so
wary wave
@smoky pilot - you can't.
paper kernel
but the G button does remove the yellow outline while selecting
smoky pilot
Yes it does but it removes the gizmo too
pallid compass
Is using Alpha' channels anything to worry about?
like how fast does the cost stack up
pallid compass
man what is wrong with the stats window for materials
Im using 9 material textures
and its saying im using 7
not even including the 3 default that u normally use on empty material
true nimbus
Has anyone implemented GameBridge into their game?
pallid compass
How do u go about checking the memory cost for a material?
frank escarp
materials are just a shader, they dont have a memory cost
if you mean the textures, then its the cost of those textures, i think size manager reports it
fair violet
@pallid compass some good info here about alphas: https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/rendering/58797-rgb-a-for-roughness
โIn short I would stay away from adding masks to Alpha's. A Texture that has an alpha will cost 2x as much as one without as alpha channels are not compressed. What I would do is make Mask Textures were each channel of the Texture has a different mask packed into it. This way you can disable gamma correction(sRGB) and not have to worry about it effect something else. This also has the added advantage being able to scale down your masks independently of your Base Color and Normal maps. Finally UE4 uses BC5 for Normals maps which gets rid of the B and A channels on import. This is why you can not use the Normal maps alpha channel as UE4 gets rid of it.โ Epicโs response but it does vary on what you need the channel for
Also response from Ryan Brucks โfwiw the cost of a DXT5 is the same as two DXT1s. So if you only have one mask texture, it doesn't matter for memory consumption whether you pack it into one DXT5 via alpha or two DXT1s. You also can counteract sRGB in photoshop if you want to channel pack something. If you have multiple masks then channel packing is definitely the way to go.
Just make a level modifier and move the midpoint to value 2.2.โ
rich citrus
pallid compass
YEah i alreadyt know that, im trying to get some information on the actual cost for when im hitting 16 texture limit
golden sierra
Any advice on finding people to work with on indie stuff? I feel like I've exhausted decent places to look.
fierce tulip
offer them money :p
golden sierra
That's the problem, it's not even about not being able to pay for me. I've offered to pay some friends to help me with my game. It's offering money to strangers (especially internet strangers) money that makes me uneasy.
fossil ore
Is It me or 4.18.1 crashes when you open in VR mode?
fierce tulip
any of you recog. the dragon animations from WoW or the like?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W7_WwLMMG4
paper kernel
Im just outright thinking macros are broken in 4.18
paper kernel
the math just got real fukken weird when it comes to moving on moving platforms
save the landing spot, set movement in platforms local space?
pallid compass
Im really curious to how epic did glass in paragon with out using tansparancy, they used like masking with like some mat material and it looked so good much confuse
fierce tulip
masked + dither
frank escarp
masked dither is a huge hack
it relies on temporal antialiasing
and tends to do very weird things
fair violet
@pallid compass I think you can reference a similar material in the Robo Recall mod kit ๐
fair violet
Loads of good stuff in there, fairly sure there is masked glass
frank escarp
i dont think so, at least in robo recall
robo recall doesnt use dithering i think
what it might do is the custom depth trick
wich is a very important trick to know when dealing with transparent stuff
essentially, you render the object twice
first time the object is invisible, but renders only to custom depth
then, the normal material renders, and this material has a depth test (in the material) against Custom Depth
it ends up as depth tested transparency, but of course if you have a transparent object behind other transparent object, the one behind will be invisible
and, btw, this technique is used in mario oddysey
quaint hull
Hey guys I'm wondering if it would be possible to make a game using mostly the UMG? I want to make a click/touch interactive game and I think it would benefit from using umg instead of paper2d
fair violet
@frank escarp been a while since I looked at that project so may be mistaken. Cool stuff there nonetheless!
pallid compass
intresting
i remember them saying they use masked glass because they cant hit 60 fps on the console with transparancy
delicate trout
Howdy, so I'm wondering if anyone could help me with a game design problem;
I'd like to make my enemy hitboxes more forgiving, i.e. Larger than the visible mesh shows
I assume that the easier way to do that is to just increase the size of their physics asset
But I'd also like to ragdoll them on death
So that means I'd have to swap out the physics asset at runtime
Is that the best way to do it or am I missing something easy?
pallid compass
god dam these panels are clean af
pallid compass
yes ty, yet to UV it for tiling textures
Ignore the sneaky bad hard edges at the back ๐
pallid compass
is there any way ti view memory usage of a single material
ashen frost
anyone here?
Just gonna ask if its better to make animations for a character on a 3rd party software and then transport it to unreal engine
worn granite
As opposed to?
worn granite
You're trying to pick between doing anims in 3rd party software and ___________________ ?
ashen frost
or justs animations on unreal i guess
worn granite
I'd do it in the same art package you did the model in, if that package can animate.
ashen frost
will blender be good?
worn granite
Would not do anims within ue4. At least, not the source anim. Blending and such, and transitioning states should be in ue4.
ashen frost
yea am following a "Building the AnimGraph" tutorial
so you need to actually make the animations in a 3rd party software?
worn granite
Yeah see if any of the blender plugins sound like they'd help. But you can do anims from blender for sure
ashen frost
k thnx
worn granite
Might be some import issues though @ashen frost, go ask in #animation
ashen frost
ok, am not in that stage yet, just wanted to get some sense and see where i was going
frank escarp
on the front page of PSVR stuff in spain
right beetween skyrim vr and rec room lol
pallid compass
omg thats awesome ;o
fierce tulip
lol
frank escarp
concurrent players seem to be less than USA, but keep in mind the time zones
its nearly 12 PM here
tomorrow afternoon would be a much better hour to see the peak concurrent users
hey @fierce tulip , does it appear on your country?
wich one was it?
fierce tulip
netherlands?
fierce tulip
could be there, but not near my ps4
frank escarp
its ok
light thunder
What the heck is RecastNavMesh-Default?
minor wigeon
Im trying to get mixamo animations working for placeholders but NONE of the have Roots <.< i know they are only placeholder animations but all the animations look disorientating... any idea's on how to fix/work around the issue?
fierce tulip
@light thunder you know you can google sometimes right?
livid haven
@light thunder If I'm thinking the same thing, it's the actual actor that contains the nav mesh for that level.
light thunder
I'm confused...do I need it (I'm deleting my nav mesh to test somet things)
livid haven
If you need a nav mesh, yes?
plush yew
pretty sure it will get regenerated
livid haven
Aye, I do believe it will be regenerated too.
But that also makes deleting it kind of pointless unless you're permanently removing navigation.
plush yew
?
glossy flame
@coarse charm nope haha, that's just one of the annoying things that exists and really can't be changed
coarse charm
sweet fancy moses
pallid compass
Anyone here use much substance?
livid haven
Fair bit of alcohol.
silent frost
Evening all o/ Any Black Friday deals out there UE4 related?
livid haven
I think there's a UE4 marketplace sale. I know nothing about it.
arctic drum
Yo, quick question
why is my CharacterMovement getting destroyed after falling down for, like, a second or two?
glossy flame
Your "CharacterMovement"? Just the movement component?
Or do you mean the entire character?
There's a "kill Z" value by default at which you'll automatically be destroyed, if you're talking about your whole pawn/character
arctic drum
That did the trick!
thanks
Btw, another question: FXAA is enabled in the render settings but it doesnt look like its working at all.
how do I enable AA?
weary basalt
FXAA is very crisp, sometimes it can look like its not working but it is.
plush yew
Any ideas why my lighting looks like this
I deleted the static mesh
and re added
still builds lighting like this
Not a big deal as its only a test level but still wierd
it wasnt happening earlier
minor wigeon
Anyone know how i can get Miximo animations to work work with root motion?
sort of want to use them as place holders so i can work on my project <.<
white magnet
Not sure if the Mixamo anims are set up with root motion in mind. May require tweaking in Max/Maya (or try it with the Control Rig stuff in UE4).
minor wigeon
ok... added a Root and did a fudge fix in blender... now they just seem to be walking up <.< probs the bones orientation in blender ๐ Should be a simple fix
ionic hornet
is any russian online? i need to translate something please ๐ญ
ionic hornet
i resolved it
plush yew
Wot
hi im a freelance graphic artist in both 2D and 3D artworks... I wanted to make a game without knowledge of coding, a friend told me about UE Blueprints.. what kind of games you think we can do with it?
lucid jetty
Anything
plush yew
๐
lucid jetty
Unless it's a MMORPG.
lucid jetty
I am saying anything because whatever not exposed to blueprints, can get exposed to them.
plush yew
uhhh
lucid jetty
I assume you are not an owner of a multi-million gaming company so anything is ok for you.
plush yew
if I am an owner of that kind of company... i would just a hire coders ๐
lucid jetty
See? All I say makes sense. Now stop wasting time here and get to work.
plush yew
good point ๐
lucid jetty
Chop chop.
plush yew
downloading XD but its always on zero byte per second
but its downloading
kind of bug i think
everyone in here helps with any problems you got as well. super good community โค
lucid jetty
You are not determined. You got doubts.
plush yew
always like that .. but it actually downloading
lucid jetty
You must fill yourself with D E T E R M I N A T I ON
lucid jetty
!
You are MEANT to use Unreal 4. I can feel it.
While Unreal is being downloaded, let me give you some advice, from an experienced person's point of view.
Here are the steps to learn UE4.
plush yew
am I in the prophecy to change the world ?
lucid jetty
Yes but first we got steps.
plush yew
im listening senpai
@_@
lol
or do this, its wat im taking ๐ https://www.udemy.com/unrealcourse/
hehe
or sell to unlock character like Darth Vader.. .oh wait .. im not gonna do that
ooooo nice idea xD
- sell game to dice\
KONY2012 !
- pure profit bb
lol
lucid jetty
We should together make a game imo. We got the right ideas.
lucid jetty
You can even advertise as "Disabled people can play too! ;D"
plush yew
haha wtf
lucid jetty
People think you are a good person. They always do.
plush yew
wtf
lucid jetty
life's not fair, God has different plans
So we live on with all the unfairness.
People will pay for what they do eventually.
lucid jetty
It's not God's fault that humans decide to think with other parts than their brains.
plush yew
okay here we go ..
๐ ๐
I see lots in videos
yep .. sad truth .. gotta live with it
lucid jetty
My rant is over.
lucid jetty
I want to play guitar too but I am far away from home sobs
plush yew
I will play in your honor :i
lucid jetty
The main problem is the brain you need to train Pr0x. Your brain demands the pixels, not you directly.
It's like smoking is bad, you know it, but your brain demands it.
plush yew
with your favorite song, stairway to heaven
lucid jetty
I got classic and electro
frosty copper
@lucid jetty ... thanks to you, I nearly spat my tea out... several times, reading the last hour of your bullshittery. xD
lucid jetty
Internet says I am always right so you spatting tea out is also a righteous act. kappa.
frosty copper
๐
plush yew
"but steel is heavier than feathers..?"
"but they are both a kilogram :)"
so feathers is heavier
livid haven
Dafuq is going on in this channel that it's all shit posting for like 2 hours?
livid haven
Riiiight... that's why we needed a bunch of conversation about masturbation and sexism and non-sequitur un-jokes about weight.
plush yew
Should rename general-chat already so people don't confuse it for general topics
weary basalt
@lucid jetty and @plush yew this is not the place for that type of conversation. Take it to an private channel and not in here, first and last warning.
@plush yew We are going to be implementing changes soon to avoid that type of confusion in the future.
plush yew
i think its a bit unfair to make it "last warning".. if we just scroll up you can actually see some very casual conversation.
and its general .. yeah a bit confusing
but okay
whatever
chat needs to be dead hue hue hue
lucid jetty
First okay.. but last? What the?
Excuse me?
I can delete my posts, you can even request that.
But @weary basalt that's abit over the top.
livid haven
A bit too casual. Generally talking about sexual acts in a general thread is a bit blatantly overstepping.
It's one think to talk about the adult game dev industry being profitable.
weary basalt
If you dont like it, leave. This isnt the place to dribble whatever comes into your head, keep it proffessional and on point, be mindful of others here as well, this isnt an +18 community. Wake up in the future.
livid haven
But it's another to refer to jacking off or not jacking off.
plush yew
do you
weary basalt
Everyone stop, move on.
lucid jetty
You are joking right? This is not about what I have done wrong or not (which I agree, if it's the rules, I don't do it again. And I deleted my posts.) but it's about your attitude.
Being kind goes a long way.
You can be a moderator and I respect that, but it's better to get the same attitude back, thank you very much.
weary basalt
Being unkind was to kick you straight away, i gave you an warning. Stop now and move on.
lucid jetty
First and last, thank you for your kindness. I stop now.
plush yew
@weary basalt maybe we can just make a bot to delete it? is it okay?
weary basalt
I will take care of it. Move on. Thank you.
plush yew
uh oh, we in trouble :/
pallid compass
Iv got a assignemnt that just says "Research and blogpost information explaining the principles of procedural programming " like what, thats just a broad topic
south ridge
Procedural as opposed to functional as I imagine
wary wave
sure, but procedural covers something like 60-70 years of mainstream programming theory
I guess you'd start with Dijkstra's opposition to 'Goto' and start form there....
wary wave
well, you could start even earlier, you're skipping an entire decade of precursive history there, hehe
so yeah @pallid compass - good fucking luck!
pallid compass
I just wrote about what PP is, then about Orthogonality PP, then gave an example of a PP sub system inside a Orthographic system,
aka i waffled on and talked a load of crap
lmao
surreal viper
so the usual university crap
frosty copper
Nice to know it wasn't just my Uni that made things way too broad
Major Project: "go and make a game."
... that's it? The fuck are you marking us on? The academic aspect of it? which you badly planned out and barely explained? o_e
"we're marking you off the HE6 criteria".... which is just as broad as your assignment itself. ๐
besides the second year where I personally learned C#, and some nifty Unity things, I found Uni was a huge waste of time. :I Besides the few thigns I learned & the people I met at least
frank escarp
to be fair i did exactly the same thing when i tought a unreal engine class
the final project was "go make a game"
(lil prototype)
frosty copper
Honestly, I wouldn't mind "go make a game", if the marking crit was clearly explained
frank escarp
for marking i told them it was going to be marked on game quality, and mostly on originality
frosty copper
But the module itself (baring in mind it was split over "major project" and some other academic shit) was the biggest pile of manure I had to endure
frank escarp
to be fair this was a semi-unofficial course
it didnt have marks other than "failed" and "passed"
frosty copper
HE6 - Marking Criteria: "relevence to the title"
.... Really, REALLY informative piece of shit there, guys. :I
frank escarp
when game schools tell you to "go make a game", they grade depending on the skill shown when making it
normally
more originality, more complxity, or more polish all count positive
frosty copper
Not with ours. Out of all the teams in my last year made some great, really well done games, and came out with shit scores.
frank escarp
then it might be a shit school
frosty copper
The marking crit was so all over the place and inconsistent it was a joke
frosty copper
I don't.
frank escarp
its something kind of similar to that
frosty copper
What I do rate, is game development
which is what we were in uni for.
not to write some bogus academia shit
frank escarp
i did rate the prototypes of this guys depending on how hard/interesting the stuff was. But most of them were As XD. Got impressed with the results
frosty copper
:p
frosty copper
think what pissed me off the most was how great the first year was, thenit just want to utter shit in the 2nd & worse still in the 3rd year
frank escarp
thats weird
good schools tend to go fucking brutal from year 1
and relax a bit afterwards
but still brutal
frosty copper
the guy who managed my course left after the first year.
then the Uni... FIRED all the middleman management staff, and made the lecturers do their job ontop of lecturing stuff.
frank escarp
thats more red flags than a communist rally
frosty copper
Baring in mind this is the same uni who hired a vice chancellor who had previously ran a very good college into the ground
Then spent a load'f money building a new motorsports building, when the Uni was/is in the top 25 uni's for Creative Technologies.
Given the current state of affairs I sincerely doubt they'll be able to keep that claim for much longer.
Which, is a shame given that most of the lectuers were actually fairly decent, and I commend them for the amount of shit they had to deal with.
like, during the 2nd year, the Games courses had their advertising funds cut. like... WAT
then had the cheek to ask why the numbers were dropping. ๐
So... yeah. xD didn't have the best of experiences with Uni.
pallid compass
Does anyone know how i can view the costs of materials, stuff like adding the alpha channel etc
im not too sure how to profile this stuff
and id like to know how much of a peformance increase doing stuff like injecting my roughness map in too the my diffuse texture alpha channel costs
frosty copper
YUS! There's actually several ways for this
Material wise, you can get a rough idea inside the Material Editor by checking the instruction count & whatnot
Visually, there's profiling views
pallid compass
I dont think instruction count shifts for using the alpha channel as a mask does it?
frosty copper
There's a UE4 wiki post somewhere that states the Alpha channel pretty much negates any benifit you get from packing textures into the RGB channels
pallid compass
Thing is using seperate texture file for roughness is costly
makes me hit the 16 texture cap fast
brings each MF to 3 texture files instead of 2
frosty copper
IIRC, the alpha channel negates the file size benifit.
also, in the Viewport Options, you can find options for Material Complexity and a few others that I can't remember off the top of my head, that visually show you
Green be yay, red be nay. :p
pallid compass
Yeah i know that one, kinda looking for numbers
so i can compare between using and not using in memory cost
pallid compass
i wouldnt say thats very accurate haha
frosty copper
Debatable
fierce tulip
if you set your materials to shared, the texture cap is 128
plush yew
Was wondering about the alpha cost issue too. Some info here: https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/rendering/58797-rgb-a-for-roughness
fierce tulip
@frosty copper that complexity view hasnt changed since udk, so in theory you could double/tripple that value for a more accurate representation
pallid compass
Im always bumping in to texture limit issues
and im really debating starting to shove AO/Roughness maps and stuff, in to A channels
frosty copper
Yeah, but who would fix what isn't broken @fierce tulip ? ๐
fierce tulip
you can set that value in one of the editor .ini's
plush yew
You're already using RMA though right? Where would you pack them?
frank escarp
@pallid compass thats exactl how it goes
there is a plugin around for packng textures
that can pack several greyscale textures into a RGBA packed one
for example
frosty copper
Makes sense. I mean, if you're targeting for a platform that has a shader complexity limit you can slap it in the ini file
pallid compass
ID 1 UV space1
R - ID1 - MF Steel
B - ID2 - MF Thick Machine Paint
G - ID3 - MF Brush alum
A - id4
ID 1 UV space2
R - ID1 - MF Steel
B - ID2 - MF Thick Machine Paint
G - ID3 - MF Poly
A - id4
Scratch and grame
R - ID1 Grime UV1
B - ID2 Scratch UV1
G - ID3 Grime UV2
A - ID4 Scratch UV1
AO Map
R - AO - UV space 1
B - AO - UV space 2
G - Emissive Mask Uv space 4
A - Empty
Kinda gives u an idea for my layout
the quality issss amazingggg
but its messy using
frank escarp
pallid compass
i looked at there UV's and couldnt make any sense of how they had it laid out lmao
pallid compass
yeah im using Mesh decals
frank escarp
all of it
frosty copper
who the fuck still uses coathangers in that day & age? ๐
pallid compass
But most of this workflow is coming from Epic's paragon setup & some quixel stuff i seen
pallid compass
Im just trying to get high quality Scratch and grime mask's with out having to go 4k, so this is my current setup im still figuring it out though
plush yew
I believe Halcyon already knows the stuff about decals ๐
pallid compass
man i hope they fixed the fps issue, every time i played with titan x and 6800k
35 fps on lowest settings
1440p
frank escarp
seems t be decals for days + lots of layered materials
pallid compass
they seam to use trim sheets alot too, but i dont understand trim sheets properly
frosty copper
Would make sense
frank escarp
you can see the detail texturing on everything
frosty copper
Halcyon: http://i.imgur.com/9Yr1xyj.jpg
pallid compass
i also figured out how they laser through ships armor and stuff the other day its pretty cool#
but expensive
frosty copper
you have trims & plains
pallid compass
yeah iv got some of there trim sheets and models and stuff
fierce tulip
pallid compass
Iv got my mesh normals down, but not a good understanding of trim sheets
frank escarp
in the fancy shaders section
plush yew
Trim sheets seem pretty simple. Just UV your model to the part you want in the sheet
frank escarp
essentially they just write into a Damage texture
wich switchs beetween 2 materials
pallid compass
yeah they have blending material too between the 2 mats i think?
and they use some mad masking stuff with it
frank escarp
thats a great wrist hud, im stealing it
pallid compass
might be wrong though, but thats what i could gather from being nosey
pallid compass
thats so much better than the last one
frank escarp
lots of vr games are getting wrist panels, they look good and are useful
everything in SC is just overkill
as hell
they go overkill on all their tech/detial
pallid compass
Yeah i love it but
Its why they take ages to do stuff
also the fps pls no
While im developing im always thinking of cool stuff i could do, but then im like "time, peformance cost, future issues pls no"
frank escarp
cries in vr
pallid compass
can i just say i HATe the stats panel in material editor, it dosent work half the time
pallid compass
Never works in MF's
frank escarp
works for me too
pallid compass
sometimes i have to bash save and apply
frank escarp
well thats logical
fossil patio
anyone here develop on ps4 devkit?
pallid compass
and open and close the stat editor
frank escarp
@fossil patio me
pallid compass
to get it to update the texture usage
frank escarp
thats becouse the shader stats depend on the final material
its the only place where it can get fully compiled to get the stats
and of course it changes due to optimizations and the like
fossil patio
@frank escarp ps4 dev kit should be a PS4 Pro hardware, right?
fossil patio
yes, it is
pallid compass
only using 4 materials + base, says im using 14 when the other stuff was removed
fierce tulip
which ue4 version was it where it didnt do texture lookups correctly and added a brickton of extra instructions?
fossil patio
@frank escarp do you know if there is a way to cap performance to test our game for base Ps4 hardware?
pallid compass
i am currently on 4.16.3
frank escarp
there is an option to emulate basic ps4 on settings
pallid compass
i have to keep closing and opening the stats widow lmao
fossil patio
can't find them T.T
fossil patio
I'll take a look, thanks for the infos
pallid compass
any idea's how i could expose the coordinate index for a MF?
fierce tulip
vector 2
pallid compass
wait what really
fierce tulip
UV > RG
pallid compass
i thought RG was U tiling and VTiling
pallid compass
Theres Coordinate Index, Utiling, Vtiling, i am much confused i normally do RG for U and V?
fierce tulip
oh the uv channel
pallid compass
yeah my bad, crappy wording
fierce tulip
need have a vector 2 input, texcoordinate as preview
plug in another coordinate to change those channels
sacred crater
gives Vector 3 Input
fierce tulip
3d uv's
sacred crater
Obviously
floral heart
uvws
pallid compass
wat
sacred crater
Are you still in 2017?
floral heart
What do you do for 4d coordinates? You kind of run out of letters...
floral heart
xyza? uvw? Maybe we need to mine cyrillic for more variable names.
fierce tulip
(since X/Y are already coordinate related)
Cel, its not even sinterklaas and you are in x-mas mode
pallid compass
its XYZW
like when u do 4d math
u sure its a vector 2, its not working to access the Coordinate
fierce tulip
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz https://media.giphy.com/media/wViS9n0RqN2/200.gif
pallid compass
need me that sweet Coordinate Index
its just shifting the U & v tiling
not the coordinate
pallid compass
ohh
paper kernel
I'm totally lost with this
plush yew
Would be handy to have a different way to specify coordinate index
fierce tulip
yea, especially for instances. sometimes I just set up a lerp, which can be funny ifyou set it to 0.5
paper kernel
I'm slowly starting to grasp the insanity that went into making CharacterMovement
and why it's 10250 lines long
fierce tulip
O_o
pallid compass
what omg
it works
better u never thought of that
LOL
mask everything but 1 section of space
fierce tulip
there is a function that does something like that
pallid compass
really?
fml
this is what im triyng to intergrate in to my MF
the ability to say that UV slot it goes on too
fierce tulip
sorta, lemme grab it. maybe i understand wrong
floral heart
UDIMM coords. I don't like UDIMM. It seems too simple, there must be some kind of trick.
frank escarp
they are super simple man
literally just multiple textures
and the udim "coordinate" is "what texture" to actually use
fierce tulip
oh wait, i was talking about the texture cropper.
floral heart
On a barely related note, is there an idiot's guide to clamped sampling a sub-tile of a texture?
fierce tulip
in what way
fierce tulip
lol that comp. mask
floral heart
On second thought it would be the wrapped sampling that's hard, not the clamped sampling. But back to Halcyon.
pallid compass
idk fam im trying every wombo combo
floral heart
RG masking the UV input. Whyyyyy
floral heart
Coordinate index is for multiple uvmaps, right?
frank escarp
great trick @fierce tulip
fierce tulip
mat function dl in the description
pallid compass
yes
frank escarp
obligatory to know that this will add a few extra pixel shader instructions
but the space/bandwidth saved will probably make up for it
quasi lake
How to get a reference of an actor in the scene in a blueprint?
fierce tulip
especially if you have a 4k texture and a 128x128 lightbulb in it you need to make emissive hehe
pallid compass
well its not even working anymore wth D:
frank escarp
to start with you read from that same texture several times , once per channel
instead of a normal texture where you sample it once for the 4 channels
pallid compass
for some reason, its getting applied across all UV channels and not the coordinate index
i think im forgetting something
fierce tulip
i kinda want to stream, but I have nothing to stream XD
fierce tulip
ofcourse lol
regardless of uv-channel, it will span the entire uv-map of that channel
what are you exactly trying to do
explain to old lill luos
pallid compass
im sure i got this to work D:
Oh im using two UV channels to get double resolution
So im trying to add away to to my MF to have a param to say what UV space to put it in
I may of drempt it, but im sure i found a super easy way to do it via the texture coord node, instead of doing my mad math lmao
i may have to go back to this stuff
fierce tulip
if it works, it works
pallid compass
True that, i wonder if i actually drempt it lmao
fierce tulip
bleh, imma stream.
pallid compass
maybe il try and intergrate it in to my current MF
mf inside Mf's
new mission
figure out how to mask from uv coords 2-3, 1-3 etc
like this
quasi lake
Anyone knows how to switch between scene camera(CameraActor in the scene) and character camera(Camera component in the character BP)?
SetViewWithTarget method seems unable to switch to character camera,
which is the problem
paper kernel
you have this checked ?
quasi lake
@paper kernel nvm
pallid compass
how the heck does this node work D:
quasi lake
I just found problem is not about the camera,it's about the input
paper kernel
@pallid compass normalize to range maybe ๐ค
paper kernel
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
pallid compass
god dam it there is no doc anywhere D:
paper kernel
well at least you can test your outcome
if my execution order is even slightly off I get either 0,0,0 or 983780965,3656,3454363456
or, moonshot
wary wave
$40 used from a 3rd party vs 90 euros new?
frank escarp
"used" in spanish is also 80 euros
wary wave
well, that's because it's a 3rd party
at that point it's practically e-bay
Amazon don't set those prices
severe glen
Do you have any suggestion Heart Rate monitor devices for UE4 ? or PC compability?
pallid compass
any HRM with a c++ interface
cursive dirge
I dunno if any of those have public API
when I wanted to interface one, I had to ask for communication protocol from the manufacturer
(there probably are reverse engineered libs too)
oh, Polar share code snippets now
no idea on the those models tho, like if they are ancient now
plush yew
i'm trying to recreate the 3rd person character from scratch but this ball with a nose won't rotate even though the capsule is rotating
cursive dirge
characters capsule doesn't need to rotate
as it's just collision shape and shape doesn't change anything if it rotates or not
I haven't checked what they actually do
plush yew
cursive dirge
just be mindful that CMC is doing it's own hacky things
(character movement controller)
white magnet
Need to make sure that Orient Rotation to Movement is enabled
white magnet
It's in the Character Movement Component
plush yew
thanks
how do i make it so that the camera can only move up/down a certain range? like not 100% up or down
restive eagle
this works fine in my case
@plush yew
or are you talking about pitch input?
if yes then you could either do this http://prntscr.com/hepvs8 or set the defaults in the camera manager
restive eagle
ye if you cant figure out please show your bp later
plush yew
cool it works
is there a way to not do it during input?
like set the min/max as default?
quasi lake
Guys I have a problem about level blueprint
plush yew
(btw i meant the 2nd screenshot works)
quasi lake
Everytime after I modified an actor in the scene,the reference of it in the level blueprint wont work
Wtf
pallid compass
FUCK YE
it works
UV space masker
that can mask uv slots or slot range
my new child
fierce tulip
nice
restive eagle
@plush yew did you managed accomplish what you were looking or what exactly you need mind explaining?
pallid compass
well fuck its not working with layers D:<
nvm got it
U just gotta multiplay ur task for the layerblend by the UV mask
few
restive eagle
@plush yew you can also create a custom camera manager and set the defaults there. hope it helps
http://prntscr.com/heq947
quasi lake
Help
plush yew
@restive eagle yes i managed to do it thanks
restive eagle
awesome
plush yew
Hey guys! Whenever I try rotating my skeletal mesh to face the correct way it resets once I close the window and open it again. (i've tried rotating the skeleton and the actual mesh)
digital root
Hello
plush yew
Hey!
digital root
Can i make a announcement to hire people for a project in #career-chat ?
sinful umbra
you'll have to post that in #looking-for-talent
pallid compass
Best texture compression settings to get highest quality? im just wanting to test scratch masks
i am happy af, 1 Material, two UV slots, two scratch mask's, tiling textures under it and a ton of adjustable paramaters tldr Twice as much resolution for detail's
frank escarp
that is really sexy
pallid compass
man i am sooo happy
1 material with so much quality
and low instruction count
there is also room for grime masks to for dirt
gaunt void
that is one sexy mat
pallid compass
i just did quick test with scratches
full control over roughness, roughness where the scratches are
grime, grime roughness, grime colour
metal colour
i havent even done AO or actually tweaked it about yet
my fav thing is its all got underlined inf tiling texturess
plush yew
Does anyone know why the skeletal mesh keeps resetting it's rotation every time I change it?
light thunder
@Meenit#4541 Is it "snapped to" anything?
plush yew
so im trying to set up a team in my basement...
maybe 4 - 10 people to make games, coder, designers and etc..
i have a computer shop .. and i have a lot of GT640 cards on 3.3Ghz CPU AMD from old PCs ..
is that okay to develop small games with UE ?
fiery ridge
pallid compass
Take it to lounge or admin will bonk u
plush yew
yep "general-chat" is confusing ^_^
quasi lake
Anyone knows something about this SetViewTargetwithBlend?
I found that if I'm setting view target to another one while the former one is still blending,it just force teleports
How to fix this
In all videos I can find in youtube,nobody just ever thought of this issue
Disapointing
They just let it 1 frame force switch,or just force the gameplay to do nothing while switching
Ridiculous
In official tutorial,they just set 3 static cameras and let it switch with no lerp
quasi lake
Ok,I guess I have to make the blend quick and put a delay before the second switch can be processed
Yeah I should know not that many people know much about camera performance details.
paper kernel
mostly because there's like 1001 ways to do camera tricks
and you can fake transitions with scenecapture materials or postprocess
vale halo
(I hope this is the right channel), but would anyone have any tips for someone who's been using ue4 for almost 2 years now, but mainly creates non-game stuff going into programming actual games/game mechanics? I've pretty much only been writing plugins for a little less than a year now, and haven't done a heck of a lot of acutal game coding....ever really, which seems like a horrible choice ๐ค
(Like, emagine I'd want to create something like a rocket - I'd have no clue how to build it using the built-in ue4 types, I'd only really know how to do it building my own physics engine/simulation :P)
fierce tulip
join one of those mmorpg people for practice XD
vale halo
Oh no, never~!
fierce tulip
start small as usual
frank escarp
let me give you an example. Make a metroidvania starting from the 2d plataformer sample
vale halo
Hm, true. So you guys recon that you'd be best of just thinking of a (simple) game and creating it, instead of doing something else?
frank escarp
get the template, add some kind of sword attack, and some enemy that damages when it touches you
fierce tulip
you have experience, its only applying the general knowledge elsewhere. im sure you'll manage ๐
vale halo
Good point ๐ค That way you can implement (small) mechanics learning it as you go, I'll give it a try ๐ Thanks!
And yeah, I have the experience, so I can build all kinds of things ranging from twitch integrations to blueprint libraries.....but not games ๐ (which is starting to piss me off as that means that I can't really build up a cool portfolio interesting to non-gamedevs)
fierce tulip
vale halo
wow, RIP
vale osprey
@vale halo youโve mentioned rocket - try to make a Lander
An old game and just figure it out step by step
grim ore
whoo lunar lander
vale osprey
Including where to start - just start somewhere
vale osprey
Yeah! Lunar Lander
https://g.co/kgs/gzFpcb
vale halo
Hm, I'd suppose lander (especially lunar/moon lander as you don't have to deal with air resistance/drag) would be easier ๐ค I like the sidescrolling idea for it's simplicity too though
grim ore
dude lunar lander is such a simple concept for a game but a bit more than pong so its a fun start
you can go simple 1 level or even work on making it a generated level system and then just go from there
if you want to spend more time learning a game ๐
vale halo
Would 'ya look at that? NASA even gave me a (way too high poly) model ๐ (#GottaLoveOpenSourceArt)
grim ore
do it in 3d with a locked camera and then in 2d as well
so now you can learn multiple ways ๐ then make it user selectable in game at runtime!
vale halo
Wouldn't it be smarter to do it in 2d first to avoid the extra dimensions?
grim ore
either one would have issues learning first, 2d has learning the spriting and such while 3d has to deal with 3d
basically pick something and go ๐
vale halo
Hm, true ๐ค
Welp, I'd better get started then ๐ Thanks for the tips everyone ๐
vale osprey
I like it because you can develop it further into all kinds of things
vale halo
I like it too as I've always loved space(games) ^^
vale osprey
Was building one in UDK with a spherical world, 2D controls but in 3D, with it Physics and kinematics on landing legs and character than can get out ๐
vale halo
Cool ๐ฎ
vale osprey
Didnโt finish but it was fun
vale halo
I'll get there.......some day ๐
(I just need something to do ue4 related that has like nothing to do with writing documentation/commercial stuff/etc. ^^)
vale osprey
Could be a nice project especially if you want to do a bit of physics/sim driven game than a rules driven game
vale halo
Yep, I like physics as a school subject, and I like games, but I never really did anything that overlapped, which is another reason this project seems really interesting
grim ore
omg I love that idea, make it a round world for the level instead of a sidescroller
vale osprey
Add digging and ability to cary stuff around ๐
vale halo
O.o