look at them layers
#ue4-general
grim sinew
in t he channels
shouldnt even matter if you do it now or if you do it when you're done
pallid compass
grim sinew
but yeah minor stuff like this is why i gave up on quixel. it's just broken in tiny bits everywhere
pallid compass
aparently its already blue?
grim sinew
lolwut, why are they colored? what version of photoshop is this
grim sinew
i've -never- seen them colored like that, and I've used PS2, PS4, PS5, PS6, CC 2016, and CC 2017.
ah whatever, just flood it with white anyway, should do it
grim sinew
quixel usually works with rgb/16, but it honestly won't matter since unreal doesn't import HDR normals
pallid compass
gotcha
there is something up
quixel does not normally make my normals
this colour
grim sinew
ah well it's fine. just wrap up your work on it and fix it afterwards. point is, unreal strips out the blue channel anyway with BXT5 compression, so as long as you at some point make it pure white in the blue channel even if it's on a flattened image when you're done, it won't matter
grim sinew
that tiny box below the x icon in the ndo2 window should have stuff
i forget if it opens projects from there, or if it just autodetects when photoshop opens one
the biggest surprise here is you're still using photoshop cc 2015? i didnt even know adobe let you keep old versions that long unless you were still on CS6 like I was until recently.
aren't updates included with the subscription?
grim sinew
ah
pallid compass
opens project
ndo coverts all normals as if its photograph
what.jpg
why do i do this to my self
grim sinew
pff
pallid compass
jfc gonna throw my self off a bridge, why is there no good tutorials on mesh decal panel lines
worn granite
maybe you should make one 
pallid compass
i dont think i could panel my way out of a plastic bag
worn granite
Not with that attitude
pallid compass
give up asking tutors at college, they dont even know what day it is half the time, it sucks
grim sinew
because it's pretty self explanatory. want me to write a tutorial right now? 1: Make a panel line texture like... 64x64 pixels. 2: Make a polygon plane, assign texture. 3: Stretch and extrude the plane until you wrap it around where you want the panel line to be. 4: Get a coffee, you're done.
pallid compass
Uk, City of liverpool College
Its one of the main colleges in the uk, in one of our largest cities
Because it makes me super mad that iv invested a ton of debt in too it, and they dont know what day it is
ionic sedge
pallid compass
2 years
worn granite
If you're actually past the halfway point gl
worn granite
Ooh tough decision
pallid compass
the worst part is its the best college around here
worn granite
What major?
pallid compass
They just spent 2.5mil on new tech
and get get tutors
environmental games design diploma, HND
worn granite
Is it for games ______
pallid compass
if thats spelt correctly
worn granite
Wew lad
pallid compass
Put it this way right
There getting us to model char's and rig them
on an environmental course?
wait no thats not the best bit
We where being taught to make a "scare house" in ue4, blueprints right, moving stuff with matinee? and i got shouted at for doing it in c++ because he couldnt read it
worn granite
Oh boy
worn granite
Hey show me some reference they gave ya
grim sinew
if you weren't halfway through, i would say pack your things and come out here
grim sinew
you clearly hate the place
pallid compass
Oh wait it gets better
i do, but there is no where else around here
They didnt have enough people wanting to do char art right
so they merged them in to a Diploma for envri design
the one im doing
worn granite
Do they even provide a folio ?
pallid compass
and non of them know how to model
worn granite
Or like some kind of reference ?
pallid compass
They made us make a portfolio, on year one, out of 5 years
when u have 0 work to show
makes no sense.
worn granite
Cause I'm willing to bet as a programmer I can pick it apart
pallid compass
il log in to the VLE and get some
worn granite
If I give more valid criticism than the people running it, you should leave.
grim sinew
5 years? o.O As someone in the US, that sounds so weird to hear
pallid compass
2 Years doing a level 3 degree, then u do 2 years getting your HND, then u can do 1 more year to raise it to a degree
light thunder
how do I migrate EVERYTHING from one project to another
grim sinew
copy+paste
pallid compass
take your pick place
pallid compass
Yup
grim sinew
"3D Modeling for Computer Game" Yeah but only a single one, that's all you get!
worn granite
Unit 18 and 69 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
grim sinew
So is this an online thing you're doing?
pallid compass
no
This is in a huge college
like
BIG
we have two rooms over 2 floors
there is around 400 computers
room full of 27 cintiq's, we got mo cap gear
grim sinew
Sounds standard
pallid compass
the lot
and no one knows anytihng
anything
Task 1 LOD1
· Create a Blog named - My Blueprint Lab (2.2)
· Research and blogpost information explaining the principles of procedural programming (500 words) (1.1)
Upload a word document with your tested Link to your Blog Index for this specific unit```I've been to 2 colleges for this, what you're describing is why I -left- the first one 2 years through, uprooted my whole life to move across the country, and went to a better one
pallid compass
worn granite
bruh
worn granite
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ionic sedge
It's called Procedural Programming but you got shouted at for using C++? 🤔
pallid compass
Yes
worn granite
IKR?
grim sinew
we don't refer to them as levels, but i get the idea
worn granite
The fact that you can expose C++ to BP means that you could likely teach the class - sad as it is
pallid compass
Well funny thing
worn granite
Not that its hard
grim sinew
From the sound of it I could just singlehandedly teach that entire school
pallid compass
They said to me
we want to bump you to our highest level and we want u to teach
and once uv got ur degree we will pay u 17 pound an hour
so i basically skipped a year
u could zero lmao
I am ment to be flying out to TNG studios sometime soon in LA to do some interning there and learn
Thats the only thing that keeps me going 😂
grim sinew
If you come out to LA, visit Gnomon. You won't regret it, even if all you do is get the event schedule.
Those free events here will probably give you more than a whole class there
pallid compass
Id kill to go out and study there full time, but its just the living costs
worn granite
This is why I consider games courses to be a joke
grim sinew
Oh yeah, a lot of them are. A LOT of them.
pallid compass
So since college is abit crap, i have just been working on my small game with a few friends, and refining all my skills everyday
grim sinew
Also, living costs are painful, I will admit that.
pallid compass
no parents either, so im just a solo polo working my butt off
torpid pecan
Hello guys. I am looking to use UE to create a film. The main character's face needs to be as detailed and realistic as possible, I have 3D modeling experience but none in gaming. Where do I start in creating this character?
grim sinew
Generally in zbrush
pallid compass
I always tell my self it could be worse, so if i at least gey my degree i would be able to have it as a fall back to teach there and get paid i guess
well there u go place lmao
There is not even anything in there 10/10
grim sinew
....that's an art test?
worn granite
What bothers me the most is that this school is forcing you to blog
grim sinew
Know what @pallid compass , I'm going to send you a link, and I want you to really consider it, because this is painful to watch
torpid pecan
I understand z-brush, but how do I get started with a human male model? Do I get one pre-made and modify it? What are the Poly limits? What's the best way to do the facial speaking animation?
pallid compass
PLACE THATS WHAT I DONT GET FAM
why do we have to blog all this crap
It makes
0 SENSE
worn granite
btw there's gotta be a more detailed view of this
pallid compass
There should be task sheets but its empty
lemi get u the unit 18 one
btw funny thing
HND year 1,2,3
are all doing
the same scare house
like WHAT
grim sinew
@pallid compass https://www.gnomon.edu/courses/online Here. Use this to get around the moving problem. See if it's in your budget, find some things you're interested in, and I'll tell you if the teacher for it's good or not. Sometimes for the online stuff they have different people teaching than the in person stuff since schedules get booked.
https://www.youtube.com/user/gnomonschool/videos also a LOT of the events they have go on are on youtube for free
pallid compass
oh wow wtf no grading sheets in unit 18 either D:
10 weeks for #1323 is not bad i guess
dollers*
I would like to be a Programmer, and my backup to be hard surface modelling
But i can do a little bit of everything
plush yew
@torpid pecan You should make your own model. I'd say tri counts for AAA games (Witcher 3, Horizon) are around 80k
grim sinew
Yeah, it's how all the classes here are. 10 weeks per term, we usually take 6 classes per term.
Time investment depends on the class. Some are pretty easy, some ask like 20-30 hours of work a week of you.
pallid compass
Gotta work hard to get good
worn granite
Yeah you gonna have a solid programming background with BP fundamentals and being chewed out for exploring
pallid compass
Right now im just focusing on my hard surface work so i have some assets to work with and really go deep with programming
worn granite
Great school
Are you making a solid portfolio alongside whatever the school makes you do @pallid compass ?
pallid compass
well
i like to say
fuck no
because there work is crap
I wouldnt put anything they have mad us do on my portfolio
made*
I feel it would be executing my self
worn granite
So you are, and you're excluding required stuff?
Even better
that's nice because you'll need it
pallid compass
I feel there work, that is what they ask of us
grim sinew
Yeah you need to be building your portfolio now. Sooner the better. When you graduate, you want to have a lot to go through and pick from
pallid compass
is no where near industry level
true
last year, the other level 3 class, got 1 class in modelling LOL it was insane
grim sinew
I did this in Hard Surface 2 here
grim sinew
This was about a year and a half ago now
torpid pecan
Thanks @plush yew The facial animation doesn;t need to be real-time capture as I will be cleaning it up myself. I am looking to grab a ready made male and then customize it as I don't want to recreate the human male. Is there a good male character asset somewhere that is idea for developing in UE?
grim sinew
If you do something like this, it has every single challenge hard surface modeling will ever have on it.
Once you pull something like this off, you're good on hard surface.
pallid compass
dam ;o
i cant imagine how nice that thing would look textured
Is that chamfered average normals i see?
or is it high poly af
grim sinew
High. Sub-d modeling all the way.
It would be like a day of work to get this game ready though.
Baking something like this wouldn't be hard at all
pallid compass
i recently discovered chamfered average vertex normal work & mesh decals
grim sinew
The individual pieces are rather simple
pallid compass
so im refining my workflow again
grim sinew
I did UV it as part of the requirements, but we didn't need to texture it or anything so I didn't. In fact we were told to model out every detail, so even the tiny lambo logo on the front hood is mesh extruded from an illustrator trace I did.
grim sinew
Maya, whole school uses it since it's standard in films and games.
grim sinew
They get pretty much everything we need. A single student asked for upgrading to 64gb of ram for houdini sims and they had it ready the next term.
lethal hull
mm I could never get on with Maya
lethal hull
I had to use it on a project at work a while ago for exports
lethal hull
I started out making custom weapon skins for Counter-Strike 1.6 back in the day
pallid compass
oh dam
I keep looking at your ships
and i cant even get my head around it
There so good
lethal hull
they're just built from a lot of simple parts really
grim sinew
Yeah I imagine it's just an atlas somewhere, right?
And you build it like a lego from there
pallid compass
Right now i have a mask workflow using tiling textures, then i want to atlas the panels and stuff on
and i was looking at your work and i was just like
lethal hull
Yeah I've got a couple of modular kits and a main panel texture
pallid compass
"what"
lethal hull
I tend to use vertex colour & colour ID maps in the shader so I can tint everything in the engine as well
pallid compass
I have ID masks, for area's
i use tiling textures on them
i also have a grime and scratch mask
for tinting
solar quarry
@grim sinew hey noctis what uni you go to?
lethal hull
I tend to mask whole areas and then apply things on top of the base colour/roughness/metallic
grim sinew
Hahaha, the Gnomon School of Visual Effects.
lethal hull
rather than tinting textures
grim sinew
About to graduate in like 2 months.
pallid compass
Now im just trying to figure out how to apply panels properly
solar quarry
@grim sinew good for you noctis, then if you fail as a prince, you can still develop
pallid compass
Could u offer any advice? since u are building hard surface ships similar to what im doing (except mine are alot smaller)
lethal hull
well
grim sinew
Thank you! I'm going to rebuild the entire city in VR so the construction workers can get it just right.
lethal hull
it depends on your use case what the best way is to build them really
you could use normal maps or geometry, unique maps or tiling/modular materials
grim sinew
Even down to the giant cup noodle hats everyone was forced to wear, and there's nobody alive left that can argue with me.
lethal hull
there really isn't one right answer
you need to decide what's best for your particular project
we went through quite a few iterations to arrive at the current workflow
solar quarry
@grim sinew but your dead though
pallid compass
Right now iv been diving in to the Mesh decal system, as its what star citizen uses so i thought id give it ago
plush yew
@solar quarry Spoilers!
lethal hull
the mesh decals are OK but they have too many issues for me to be reliable in production use
pallid compass
Yeah iv changed my workflow alot too, i like the decal system alot, im just struggling to get good looking panel lines
Oh?
lethal hull
they really need more love from Epic
solar quarry
@grim sinew sure you killed the one guy who could stop you but...
grim sinew
You don't know that! Also wait, if I'm dead, how am I using discord?! o.O I guess that ring has good wifi.
solar quarry
@grim sinew damn so you coming back huh?
lethal hull
I only use the dbuffer decals for my actual graphic decals so they just pass on base colour info
but not at all for normal maps
grim sinew
I made Squeenix a mountain of money, of course I am.
plush yew
@pallid compass What part of the panel decals are you struggling with?
pallid compass
If its not out of order to ask, and you are allowed would u mind showing me how u do your panels? just so i can get an idea as iv been running circles for awhile
lethal hull
it's literally just a texture with a bunch of different panels on it
solar quarry
@grim sinew hopefully this time round all of the city's and empires are actually created and finished
pallid compass
its easy to get straight lines and stuff, but once it gets more complex im abit lost getting it all to look right
solar quarry
as opposed to two regions with the rest of it being only accessible once
pallid compass
I did try painting panels on to a normal map but, i just couldnt get it to look nice with my lack of expert uving
grim sinew
At least I didn't turn out like Duke after escaping development hell.
solar quarry
don't get me wrong, ffxv is a great game but.... damn I wish it had more
pallid compass
This is prob one of my fav's
grim sinew
Yeah, and I haven't played the DLC since I'm just waiting on the Steam ver.
pallid compass
that has only half loaded 😂
solar quarry
if I hadn't completed every side quest first, I'de have probably completed the main story within a couple days
grim sinew
Yeah, it's a shame how much of that game was scrapped. They put a LOT of work into completely unused portions.
At least it got out the door though
lethal hull
I use the normal, ambient occlusion, curvature, grunge amount and edge wear masks in UV space
then the grunge etc is applied with triplanar
solar quarry
@grim sinew yeah man, 10 years of development, scrap a shit ton of it
lethal hull
masks the low res nature of things
solar quarry
so much potential thrown into a bin
lethal hull
the curvature and AO are packed with normal map compression which means you don't get any visible banding
pallid compass
Is that all on one UV map?
lethal hull
Three
pallid compass
Ah so 3 materials per ship?
pallid compass
gotcha
lethal hull
for the main body anyway
pallid compass
Perhaps its just my uvs then, thats why i cant get good looking panel lines on textures
lethal hull
then there's stuff like spotlight decals, manufacturer decals, window textures
pallid compass
Would u mind showing the texture file for that ship?
solar quarry
everyone here creating things like Lamborghini Veneno's and I'm still noobing my way through landscaping
lethal hull
sure, sec
grim sinew
http://www.quadspinner.com/GeoGlyph problem solved
pallid compass
oh what is this ;o
grim sinew
For @solar quarry , plugin for world machine that helps significantly
lethal hull
i change them in the shader for skins etc
the other two use colour ID maps to do the same exact thing except in UV space
rather than mesh based masking
pallid compass
oh i see 😮
solar quarry
@grim sinew yeah, gonna download that
pallid compass
its all tiling
thats amazing
mfw Mellenia and zero have taught me more in 30 mins than my college has in past 2 months
solar quarry
@grim sinew for now tho I gotta create a blockout for my level and submit it by the end of this week
grim sinew
Play around with the free ver first to get a handle on it, but yeah I wouldn't go back to vanilla world machine after using this
lethal hull
I do as much as possible in the shader so I don't have to have multiple textures for one sheet
even the manufacturer decals like the main USR logo etc use colour ID maps to mask so I can tint them separately
pallid compass
Do you mind if i ask a few more questions? as iv only just moved over from quixel to substance
lethal hull
Sure
pallid compass
man i dont even know what im trying to ask lmao, erm
So you apply your textures tiling correct?
lethal hull
well
it's more of a modular kit rather than tiling
it's more of an ikea flat pack thing where you gotta put the thing back together yourself
but you use those texture kits to build pieces and then just build it out of that mesh kit
pallid compass
lethal hull
obviously the panel texture itself is more tiling in nature but even then I only use individual sections of it mapped manually
pallid compass
Im looking at this tiling section here
lethal hull
yeah that's one panel mesh repeated
grim sinew
@solar quarry http://www.quadspinner.com/GeoGlyph/Library Here's everything GeoGlyph can do. Just keep in mind it's a plugin for world machine, it can't do anything on its own. And if your class needs BSP blockout stuff on top of that, that you'll need to of course handle on your own outside of this, this is just a terrain tool.
They're working on a standalone version, but it's taking a -long- time
solar quarry
@grim sinew yeah I know
just downloaded world machine
basically just struggling with where to start with the blockout
pallid compass
ah same i learned it afew days ago helps alot
So them 6 panel area's
are the UV's all stacked on top of each other
pallid compass
gotcha
grim sinew
@pallid compass https://gumroad.com/l/MayaFWVN# This may help with fixing normals btw
lethal hull
I wish someone made a nicer vertex normal toolkit for Max
grim sinew
I think I saw one the other day
pallid compass
Okay this makes more sense now,
You made the textures in substance i guess? then u go back in to max and assign the uv's all too the correct places?
lethal hull
well the masks yeah
solar quarry
for some reason I can't get world machine to start
lethal hull
the normals are a combination of nDo2 and mesh bakes
pallid compass
gotcha
Can u tell me a little bit more about your masks? this is very different to my workflow as i tend to use tiling texture and id masks
solar quarry
oh wait... got it to work
lethal hull
just curvature, AO, grunge amount and edge wear
the actual amounts are controlled in the shader
pallid compass
I have been looking at the Gladiator from the SC art dump and i just cant get my head around them panels so clean 😂
lethal hull
the grunge amount just fades the tiling triplanar grunge pass in predetermined areas so it doesn't look all samey
pallid compass
gotcha, i forgot about that oops
they have a tiled panel material
and i just dont get how u could get that to work so well lmao
lethal hull
Experience mostly 😛
lethal hull
it's not that hard really
lethal hull
you just need decent topology and just manually straightening stuff out
if your topology is bad your UVs won't be great either
pallid compass
Yeah tbh im not good at uv's
lethal hull
90% of my job is just literally modeling and UVing stuff haha
lethal hull
it's just straight lines really
they're not really easy to visualize as nothing is really inside the 0-1 space 😛
i just scatter stuff around and move it until it looks good in the viewport
pallid compass
u make it round easy haha
i think my issue is prob my uv scaling
to get equal texture density
lethal hull
that's where things like triplanar grunge help
because it gets applied at a consistent scale regardless
I can mirror, reuse, stretch and scale stuff pretty far before things break just because that hides all of it
pallid compass
I will need to look in too that more
Im just currently searching for an example of a Panel tiling texture so i can make my own and try it out
lethal hull
depends on the style you're after really
the ones for our three manufacturers all look pretty drastically different
pallid compass
Just going for something simple like that white one
Just to try it out, iv never tried tiling stuff like that before
lethal hull
yeah that'll work
pallid compass
my guess is, it must all connect in the same place at the top and bottom
Then im wondering how they got tiling mat to do that
lethal hull
well you can make cuts anywhere
just fiddle around until it looks good
takes a bit of trial and error
pallid compass
Not 100% sure what i mean by that, im looking for a online example right now
god dam i just gotta find a flat version of that white texture then it should make more sense 😂
lethal hull
you could just try a few things out yourself 😛
it's better to figure out on your own anyway
pallid compass
I would but i have 0 clue where to start, if i can see Point A and Z, then figuring the rest out is not too hard
I see it
its a hard edge cut
But then how the heck do they have that panel like perfectly between them o_O
omni directional tiled metal plates textures is the term i think im looking for,
lethal hull
Remember you can use alphas too if you wanna go really fine
lethal hull
I'd avoid going too gridlike, not all lines need to go through
sudden agate
how do you guys adjust the foliage texture to the landscape texture so it is visually seamless?
sterile plank
A tps, topdown, or flight is better as a base for twinstick movement?
pallid compass
Any is fine, if your really new go tps
Tga file save type on photoshop has vanished for me 😃 yay
sterile plank
it doesn't disappear, check your color mode
8bit 32bit..etc
or simply restart PS
pallid compass
@lethal hull you made this sound way easy, mine looks tacky af rn i think its my uvs
i just exported it as psd
torpid pecan
If I wanted to hire a freelancer to create a realistic male face for use in UE4, what would it cost roughly?
oblique stream
if i hide a light during gameplay, how do I update the built lighting?
pallid compass
You cant, baked lighting is offline only
hardy shard
Is there a difference between .fbx and .uasset ? or does it not matter ?
pallid compass
.fbx is general 3d modelling format
u.asset is file types imported
I believe they may also hold information as well
regarding to that assets use in the engine
i may be wrong
hardy shard
Still not 100% but thanks
fair violet
@sudden agate just match tints and make sure your indirect lighting is boosted enough to not have super dark shadows under the meshes. Takes a bit of tweaking.
Or if you are doing large scale worldspace color variation in the landscape material, make sure you apply the same variation to the foliage.
pallid compass
@grim sinew i think ima take your advice, if i can some how scrap they money ima take the course
keen birch
@hardy shard .uasset is the engine's data container
In the case of models it also includes the model data, but also stuff like the material setup, references, LOD stuff
warm tangle
Anyone know of any resources for in-game purchases/steam market integration? i did a cursory search and didn't see anything helpful show up
keen birch
That sort of thing
But it also does stuff like Blueprints, in which case it's just your entire BP in that little file
pallid compass
Does anyone have a poly count link for a good tutorial for doing UV's for large objects that u will tile textures on
velvet cliff
@hardy shard Like a .pbo in A3 + Hi 😄
distant river
Hey guys, I made a tutorial about drawing an outline around stuff: https://youtu.be/9fxnv2ccklg
glad onyx
is there a way to duplicate the details panel and lock its selection?
specifically, i want to be able to compare two components side by side
in Unity i can just add another inspector tab, lock one to the thing i currently have selected, and then click the object i want to compare with
that way i can side by side them
at the moment, the best i can figure out is to snap a screenshot
ionic sedge
frank escarp
there is a blender addon that makes booleans way better to use
and its built in, just disabled by default
ionic sedge
What addon?
pallid compass
oh dam
rip me
mfw i suddenly realise i dont understand face weighting when im trying to do it to more complex object than cube
oops
frank escarp
@ionic sedge booltool
south ridge
Booltool is a funny name
ashen brook
gifduuump
https://imgur.com/gallery/a3Zn3Kk
https://imgur.com/gallery/hsz8pyz
https://imgur.com/gallery/ipS7JVp
pallid compass
that looks awesome ;o
ashen brook
yeah I love our new companion rig, making a 2.0 of Floppy is next 😃
pallid compass
Does anyone have a link to a detailed guide on vertex face weighting? there appears to be non on polycount
frank escarp
@pallid compass depends on the software
frank escarp
i do know a way to do it with blender, and in fact there is a "WIP" version of blender that has it as an AUTOMATIC MODIFIER
pallid compass
I have AMT normal tool and AMT tool kit
yeah iv got an auto button for it
but it cant auto everything
frank escarp
the way the blender modifier works (in that beta version) is essentially by making smaller faces have less "weight" than bigger faces
so if a big face is surrounded by small faces, then the big face is the one with the weighted normals
its pretty much "1 click and go"
too bad that build is still a WIP build
from google summer of code
tawdry finch
Hey everyone,
just curious, but in most studios it is expected for animators to own importing character animations themselves right?
I keep getting push back when I try to get the animation department to own importing animations and cinematic camera's and just wanted to be sure that animators owning the import stage of their animations was the norm
worn granite
Can't speak for studios, but I always at least expect art files for ue4 projects to import correctly without any additional tweaking if they're not delivered in ue4 - but I'm upfront with this.
south ridge
@tawdry finch at our place I do the tech art stuff so I'm the one importing models and fixing them up for the engine
While the artists just make the model itself to a specific format
near crow
I mean at a studio wouldnt that be the technical artists job?
wary wave
Here each individual is responsible for importing their own assets
it's just one step in the pipeline
if an individual isn't responsible for it, you just end up adding pointless delay in assets needing revision because they don't look right in the engine for whatever reason
whereas otherwise the artist will see it immediately and can fix it before it even goes into the repo
near crow
well if it works for @wary wave Then its a good methodology. (PS when i was first getting into unreal your tuts helped a ton!
wary wave
Haha, no worries - that was a long time ago now xD
ashen brook
Same here - artists import their own stuff, and if there are problems they can't fix themselves they go to the tech artist for help
upper heart
it's been around for a while now. I use it for web dev or editing data files (json). It's a lot more lightweight than opening vs.
ionic sedge
That question is the first question answered in the FAQ. 😛
shell jetty
it's for those who like to use notepad style editors
wary wave
I give it two years before it becomes overwhelmed with Microsoft bloat and abandoned
upper heart
right same here
surreal viper
vs code looks okay but there are more sublime editors out there
wary wave
yeah, looks pretty reasonable
frank escarp
still has all the bloat Electron has, but they have it manageable
wary wave
just need to read up on the license terms, but it looks like it's totally free, unlike Community
sleek spear
i have a very large object on my level and when i look away from its origin/pivot, it disapears. probably because of culling. can i disaple that for that specific object?
wary wave
no - you probably need to fix your bounds
on an unrelated note, anyone know what the impact of scaling is on HISMs?
does having HISM instances with dfifering scales have any impact? I assume not since it's part of the transform, but figured it worth checking
wary wave
@frank escarp - don't suppose you've tested mesh slicing on Ps4, and know what the performance is like?
frank escarp
havent
wary wave
ah no worries, I'll have to make a quick test project this afternoon / tomorrow morning then, cheers anyway
frank escarp
what are you doing for ps4?
frank escarp
i dont think mesh slicing would be performance intensive
other than maybe physics collision on it?
wary wave
I think it depends on how many slices you're doing
frank escarp
probably not more than 1 per frame
wary wave
I'd like to do quite a few slices at once, so we'll see how I get on
feral echo
I have just missclick rebuild button in vs..not I have a one hour free time while engine is building...how you doing?.....
VS code supports ue4? Or it just like notepad without any solution and project stuff?
shell jetty
@feral echo it can run and stuff put you have to write those like in notepad plus it have intellisense
frank crane
hi guys! I have a recurrent user problem: I'm working on a modular scene, and I've just imported tons of meshes. Is there a way to assign a material to all of these assets in the content browser?
Unfortunaltely Bulk Assign doesn't allow me to change the material property...
light thunder
What is the proper channel here for optimization questions? I'm leaning towards Graphics but that is also a component of level-design isn't it?
wary wave
depends on the question really
optimisation is usually related to something else
i.e. whatever it is you're optimising
feral echo
is there any way to save editor preference in perforce? So it wont get back to the default after p4clean
I'm runing into the troubles with eqs check box because of that
rain mortar
good day simple question if i designning a open world game in unreal should i start the project in c++ or start it with just using blueprints and then go into c++
wary wave
I'll be a bit blunt and say that if you have to ask that question you might not be ready for building an open-world game
Open worlds tend to take a fair amount of engineering work, but also require an enormous amount of man hours to generate content, even in the sparser games
rain mortar
ty for the reply
wary wave
even so, the answer comes down to 'it really just depends what you want to achieve'
the question is a bit too broad to really be able to answer easily
You certainly could do an open world game entirely in blueprint, if you wanted to, but blueprint does have it's limits
rain mortar
well just want to get a basic level up with a worlking landscape not like the Kite Demo but close to it and then go from there i know what i can see in the future is c++ but just was thinking maybe it would be smart to start with blueprints first to get my hands down on how everthing works but did not want to bottle neck me or push to far and then get stuck on where to go
wary wave
normally when people make open world games, they start by defining their requirements, then work on building a custom tool chain / data pipeline to facilitate content creation and gameplay systems
tardy ocean
Hi does anyone know how to decrease the size of the apk of his android game? the final file is heavy :- / identify me so that I see the answer right away
rain mortar
@wary wave ty for your pointers
wary wave
@tardy ocean - you can cut a lot of the default content out to get the file size down; you should be able to find some guides online
I've seen people get blank projects down to 20MB or even less
tardy ocean
okay thank verry much, i'll search ^^
bright wave
hi
someone knows what "Disable fullscreen optimizations" in windows 10 means
what does this function do?
someone know it?
light thunder
When I was learning, I made a firetruck with a lot of flashing and some rotating lights....Is there a way for the lights to be visible from far away but with not such a large attenutation radius, also, how can I have my lights rotate and be visible but not exceed the limit of 4 overlapping dynamic lights???
crisp spoke
https://www.pcgamesn.com/floppy-and-the-sleepy-planet/3d-platformer-unreal-engine-4 article about the game we are working on went live.
pallid compass
Question about scale, if u where building a game with flying ships or something
u would work the ships to similar size to the manniquin right?
pallid compass
Is that what i should do?
im tiling everything
I was worried
Going huge
would cause some issues maybe?
lighting, or textures, or camera's etc
pallid compass
Hey vblanco ^^
frank escarp
just use whatever the hell you want for scale. Probably keep it similar to normal ue4 (mannequin/character) due to physics
pallid compass
Thats what i was thinking
wary wave
banana for scale
pallid compass
then if u ever stood next to a ship for X reason
u could just scale the ship up
with full tilling textures it look fine right?
ionic sedge
If you used tiny ships wouldn't that cause the generated physics assets and stuff to have very little mass?
pallid compass
im cheating and not using physics for movement
ionic sedge
Plus you couldn't model with "real life" measurements. Anyway I haven't made a space game so I have no idea. 😛
And you couldn't walk around in the spaceship without scaling it up if you made it tiny in the first place.
pallid compass
true
many pro's and con's to it
Im just not aware at the moment of what backlash could come from building them scaled up
or i could build them all to manniquin size
and for scaleup for any visuals
ionic sedge
But if you have some other reference of scale it doesn't matter, I just think real life size is a good reference of scale.
pallid compass
do x8
or something
true true
Im just asking around if there is any issues building huge in the engine
safe rose
@crisp spoke @ashen brook
https://myanimelist.net/anime/36166/Fireball_Humorous check this out... See if Floppy can make a cameo
ionic sedge
It kind of depends on the scale, if your ships are kilometers long, probably yes. 😛
But 10-100m I don't think there are any issues, but I didn't really test it either.
ashen brook
heh
pallid compass
Jan
ashen brook
Meantime, check this out: https://www.pcgamesn.com/floppy-and-the-sleepy-planet/3d-platformer-unreal-engine-4
pallid compass
Share your brains pls
ashen brook
sup?
pallid compass
Do you know about any issues with Scale building big in ue4?
say i wanted to build fighter jets or something
ashen brook
what do you mean?
pallid compass
But i wanted to keep them to scale with the mannquin
ashen brook
big is fine, just use world composition and origin rebasing to avoid float precision errors at large coordinates
pallid compass
gotcha
ashen brook
don't go too small or you get weird lighting issues
found that out the hard way recently
ashen brook
any surface closer than 1 UU to a light source doesn't cast shadows
pallid compass
I think il build to scale then haha
ashen brook
depending on how close your camera can get to things, going for a 1:10 scale or so might be worth it
pallid compass
thinking Third person jet flying kinda thing
But it be nice to be able to walk around them
sort of hanger i guess
ionic sedge
You would need to think through how that would work, like when you land, does the ship and hangar get bigger? (with a normal mannequin size character walking around) and so on.
ashen brook
you can also just resize the mannequin
ionic sedge
But you could have separate sizes for the flying around/landed/walking around inside parts too, lots of ways to do it.
pallid compass
it be more like
out of cpombat
u can walk around your hanger
sorry for slow reply on the phone to useless internet engineers lmao
ionic sedge
What version are you using?
ionic sedge
I mean, what version are you trying to open the thing in?
solar herald
I tried all of them
ionic sedge
o_O
ashen brook
just click yes
solar herald
There was something about rebuilding something and that failed
ashen brook
then in the editor, in plugins, enable the runtimemeshcomponent plugin
solar herald
Oooh?
ionic sedge
On the marketplace it says 4.10-4.16, so it probably won't work in 4.17 for example.
solar herald
Here's the thing that fails to rebuild
pallid compass
just had some internet proivder
put the phone down on me
because he didnt know what noise line margin was
solar herald
What's a noise line margin?
paper kernel
dsl line?
pallid compass
its noise in db
thats on broadband lines
he thought i was talking about noise coming out my router
solar herald
KEK
solar herald
Unbelievable
solar herald
You should use Microsoft Sam
paper kernel
when my ISP started their operation to kill the old landline connections to my previous apartment
(as in cut the connection every 20minutes and claim everything is working fine int heir end)
I had the send a tech on site twice
for no reason really
I knew he couldn't fix it but sending a guy on weekday from 400km away to check wiring that works just fine can't be cheap
I finally stopped buggin them when tech support guy called from his own phone and admitted they aren't allowed to maintain these old lines because they are net loss to the company
pallid compass
oh wow thats nuts
drifting spindle
I worked for AT&T for a bit, he's right.
They sell packages to shit neighborhoods, knowing damn well they aren't replacing the lines.
drifting spindle
So after following a video on YouTube yesterday, I set up a procerdural "planet" (sphere with texture) system, and wanted to take it further.
Being new to UE4, I don't know much, but is it possible to use World Engine to create a bunch of terrain, that I can then have UE randomly generate onto one of my "planets"?
pallid compass
Yeah i guess that be possible
But im not sure if u can generate terrain offline from WM files
drifting spindle
Hmm,
Guess I gotta google some more.
My goal is to have "procedurally" generated terrain, but will settle for the ability to import specific terrain on the fly.
Similar to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KJGbID1nU
crisp spoke
@safe rose Ive seen that before 😉 I wont lie I thought of that later in production (but not the original inspiration)
quasi lake
Hey bros
How can I get my WSAD event in blueprint event graph
Which ones are they?
I only see game controller left joystick X and Y
dry shore
got this error while building to android any solution?
quasi lake
ok
dry shore
ok
pallid compass
mfw tiling textures on big objects be hard rip
quasi lake
Thanks ,solved @safe rose
Wierd
I cant find that event in my project
But it exists in the template project
Oh I need to set it in projectsetting
nvm
safe rose
@plush yew Why are you pinging me?
plush yew
😛 cough
plush yew
XD oh shit
safe rose
Just have some courtesy please
plush yew
but i am a vip
safe rose
Not even close
plush yew
😦
safe rose
@plush yew What do you mean it "disappeared" anyway?
plush yew
at the left bottom of the viewport there should be a xyz axis
plush yew
There isn#t more!
plush yew
gives victor more in a minute
safe rose
Hurry
fossil ore
Anyone knows why Sequencer doesn't want to play animation?
plush yew
fossil ore
I've made a new level sequence and I open it again.... doesn't want to work
plush yew
xyz icon is missing
plush yew
-_- yes
safe rose
Did that solve your issue?
plush yew
yes
safe rose
😉
plush yew
i didnt know g also hides this
safe rose
Well now you do
plush yew
thanks
safe rose
@fossil ore Hmmm
Two reasons
1- Because you didn't tell it to
2- Because there's nothing to play
which one is it?
fossil ore
Nononono. There is something wrong with editing the sequence
safe rose
huh?
fossil ore
I have a character playing an animation
safe rose
What do you mean nononono
fossil ore
I want to move him closer to camera
None of the reasons you said are a factor
The actor has animation set in timeline
whenever I move that actor, animation is canceled and goes to T-pose
safe rose
@fossil ore timeline in sequencer or bp graph?
fossil ore
timeline in sequencer
safe rose
@fossil ore animation on the character?
fossil ore
lemme upload clip
fossil ore
It's really bothersome bug
fossil ore
fossil ore
just press Play
safe rose
Wrong word
fossil ore
it does the same
fossil ore
yeah
safe rose
that crewman thing
And you know those work?
And they are being set to those characters?
fossil ore
each character has its own specific animation..... each character is a pawn
fossil ore
skeletal mesh
fossil ore
UE4 is just like "phew, u open and its broken"
safe rose
and tell me if they are working
fossil ore
Those chars dont have anim bp
It's literally a skeletal mesh with play one animation only
fossil ore
I am
safe rose
So, answer the question
Go into the animBP
And tell me if the Animation is still working
fossil ore
the fuck
safe rose
This is proper debugging
fossil ore
its not
fossil ore
Sequencer is a pain
fossil ore
Can you cut animation and extend it without messing around ?
safe rose
hmmm
I think so
I mean, I am not a Sequencer Pro
Once that channel opens up
It will be a huge thing I feel
regal mulch
Reason to ping us?
safe rose
Oops, my bad.
regal mulch
Don't ping is for that please , Victor.
safe rose
Yeah, my b
ashen brook
Personally I'm always in favor of fewer, more mixed-topic channels, because it fosters cross-discipline communication and avoids fracturing the community too much.
- the more channels, the harder it is to keep up with them all, and
- the easier it is to miss things you'd find interesting but just haven't looked for.
anyway
changes are coming and we're actively discussing them
but it's not as simple as it might seem
ashen brook
it really is not as simple, yep 😛
anyway, dinner time. Don't burn down the house while I'm not watching
...I mean I would want to watch?
wait.
you know what I mean
cloud cobalt
Fully agree with what Jan said. Fewer channels with more talk.
fossil ore
Back to my sequencer... apparently I need to spawn animation again... find that spot and continue
But why UE4 spawns bugs out of nowhere?
ionic sedge
@fossil ore What bug? 😛
So, even if you don't have an anim BP, when you open the animation itself, does it play on your character?
fossil ore
yes IT plays by itself
I already fixed the issue, but this starts to appear more common
dry shore
@safe rose bro nobdys replying 😭😭
safe rose
@dry shore Aye, sorry man. I'm not a mobile dev. Those errors look like Mobile errors, nothing generic sadly. Can you post your logs?
pastebin them
Link them over in #mobile
safe rose
no
dry shore
Be*
safe rose
because I don't want to type anything out when I can just CP
dry shore
How can i post my log im noob so😅
safe rose
We are all newbs
It's just the number of degrees of newbiness
That separate us
Go to your project in explorer
Saved Folder
Logs
get the latest one, make sure it's filled in with some errors
That's project log though
The build log is somewhere else
But we'll need both
dry shore
Wait ill send it now one min 😊
plush yew
We are all newbs. It's just the number of degrees of newbiness that separate us.
Pin that shit
safe rose
Ah, good
dry shore
😊
feral echo
so, who well 2d side of ue4 is doing this days?
wicked lantern
Is there way to lower compile times? I did try this one https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Boost_Compile_Times but appears to be quite outdated
winged hearth
@wicked lantern it still applies, what are you seeking for? Engine or game compile times?
I added a small engine tweak to make the local compile process more aggresive
dry shore
@safe rose bro did it help?😥😅
wicked lantern
@winged hearth Game compile, would appreciate if you share that information if it's not in the wiki
winged hearth
Try to disable unity build, for smaller projects it eats up quite some time. At the end of the guide I propose a small engine tweak. Will do a PR to use it from the build config soon.
plucky axle
why is this not a slack channel? lol did they move it from slack to discord?
cause it even says slackers in the name
paper kernel
slack was getting full
upper heart
yes
plucky axle
oh, you can do that?
paper kernel
iirc the slack channel was really close hitting the capacity
plucky axle
TIL
just nice to have threads for troubleshooting and stuff. but yea that makes sense
maiden swift
We were hitting capacity on Slack in more ways than one.
Many of us experienced performance issues due to the high number of users, plus we constantly ran into the free account limits, i.e. 5GB of shared file storage and 10,000 message search history.
verbal frigate
Messages from one morning wouldn't be there that afternoon fairly regularly
maiden swift
Yeah. Search was borderline useless because we hit 10,000 so quickly.
Not to mention Slack had a weird way of deciding which 10,000 messages to count. Don't know the exact algorithm, but that number was spread across all public channels, private channels and DMs.
plucky axle
I feel like we could apply for an Epic Dev grant for a premium slack channel 😛
but yeah, that sucks
Discord ain't bad anyway
maiden swift
People suggested that many times in the past, but Slack's pricing model makes that extremely impractical.
They charge per-user, per-month.
maiden swift
So it would just become more and more expensive every month.
I ran the numbers once for fun. At the time we had about 4,000 members.
upper heart
I prefer discord now anyways ❤
maiden swift
Would have been roughly $250,000 a year, on average.
paper kernel
not really a fan of discord EULA, but it's probably the best one available
plucky axle
maiden swift
Same here @upper heart. I still think Slack has a nicer, more legible interface overall, but the advantages Discord gave us were so numerous it just made sense to switch.
And I researched many similar services before choosing Discord. I learned a lot about chat services last summer. 😛
Most of them are mediocre Slack clones.
upper heart
Except ootb slack is 90% white and burns my retinas 😛 Luckily the desktop app is really just a wrapper tho, so you can code your own theme.
maiden swift
I can definitely say Discord's dark theme was praised by many in this community when we switched. lol
Even some of the "Why did we switch??" folks were like "Oh, there's a dark theme."
upper heart
haha yeah I love discord ❤
plucky axle
Oh yea, I like discord too, just feel like threads would be nice for all these conversations
I went and voted on it
discord listens, I'm sure it'll be here soon
maiden swift
If it makes sense for the product and they can implement it nicely, then yeah, it will probably show up eventually.
I wouldn't bank on soon, though. It's not on their roadmap, and that tends to stretch several months out.
maiden swift
Video chat and screensharing are widely available now.
But yeah, for a long time they were SOON™.
That's their go-to response when people ask about release dates, and I think it's wise.
plucky axle
yea for sure
maiden swift
Better to vaguely promise a thing is coming soon than to promise a specific date, miss it and deal with the backlash.
plucky axle
I just mean, when they announced it would be released soon, was like december 2016, then it released like last week officially or something
maiden swift
Yeah hahah.
It was originally planned for Q1 2017.
That turned into Q3 2017.
In all fairness, video calls and screensharing are massive, transformative features for the service.
plucky axle
👍 For sure
maiden swift
Whoops. Now #ue4-general is full of Discord chat. 😅
twin acorn
no concept artist section?
upper heart
@twin acorn what are you looking to discuss?
pallid compass
i am suffering from modeller b lock so bad tonight rip
twin acorn
looking for a concept artist doing pro bono work
paper kernel
probably #career-chat, or browse for a one you like at artstation
honest raven
Guys if when I created my projects, I did not set the target to android, can I still export it to it?
paper kernel
you can change it from project settings iirc
tall pendant
iron nacelle
hey guys, im sorry if i missplace this question, but how could i make a model/texture better good looking/more HD, also what program i should use to make it
ionic sedge
More polys and higher resolution textures. 😛 You can use any software.
I use Blender, it's free and really good.
twin acorn
Cleaner topology, Substance, photoshop.
ionic sedge
For textures I would recommend Substance too if you can afford it.
twin acorn
and model in blender if you have not much cash
susbtance + photoshop = $30 a month. not a bad deal
ionic sedge
Why photoshop though?
twin acorn
You could try other programs but photoshop has been in most peoples pipeline forever .... its just really effective for any texture work
pallid compass
cant remember last time i used photoshop for any texture work