oops my 4 year old shot my dog, guess I shouldnt leave the glock on the coffee table next time
#lounge
pearl elk
zinc matrix
where do you live
pearl elk
Australia, when someone gets shot here its usually organised crime
zinc matrix
oops my 4 year old shot my dog, guess I shouldnt leave the glock on the coffee t...
freedom means freedom to f*ck up and be a f**k up in addition to being a decent well adjusted human.
zinc matrix
I heard there was great freedom in the dark ages
thats very confusing
pearl elk
not confusing at all, absolute freedom is anarchy
zinc matrix
rape and pillage whatever you like
this is why we have people like prince charles saying things like "I dont understand why you would want freedom of speech" or something like that. one of the countries most notoriously responsible for sending people to the torture chambers for speaking freely, against the church or the king; and hence why we have america
pearl elk
so instead we balance liberty and law
zinc matrix
so instead we balance liberty and law
i would not call anarchy freedom
i would call that lawlessness aka anarchy
pearl elk
bit hard to enforce law when criminals have automatic weapons
zinc matrix
the term freedom implies being free from the influence of others power. hence there has to be some power that exists. ie. the government. checks and balances. we have 2A to make sure the government doesnt take away our freedoms. a check and a balance.
zinc matrix
bit hard to enforce law when criminals have automatic weapons
yet it is not impossible
pearl elk
yet when people riot in the streets its commies coming not people trying to tell the government that black lives matter shrug
its not impossible but look at the collateral damage, people getting swated and killed over holding a fork
"freedom"
or anarchy
carmine frigate
2A cant do much against fighterjets
pearl elk
If I were China Id totally be making moves too seeing how unstable the US is
zinc matrix
yet when people riot in the streets its commies coming not people trying to tell...
i'll bet you didnt know that BLM is an organization. lots of people have bought into the notion without realizing that BLM is a nonprofit organization. and this is heading in a direction id rather not take here
pearl elk
Churches are not for profit too but we'd rather complain about black people than priests
zinc matrix
Churches are not for profit too but we'd rather complain about black people than...
who is complaining?
pearl elk
funny how this power and influence works in the free world
carmine frigate
well my attitude towards US improved a bit last few months
pearl elk
Biden is funding Boston Dynamics so Im happy
carmine frigate
turns out sometimes its usefull to have a bunch of gunslingers around
pearl elk
we're gonna be mining stuff for the motors here in Aus
zinc matrix
well my attitude towards US improved a bit last few months
this may sound harsh but i guarantee you nobody in the US cares about what you think.
pearl elk
I just love how the get woke go broke crew are all on Tesla stock
lets see if the bank will even cover the Twitter deal now
carmine frigate
yea i guess not ๐
foggy path
been saying it for a long time that Elon is a piece of shit
people didn't agree, I wonder if they do yet
lol
pearl elk
yea i guess not ๐
yeah they dont care thats why they broadcast it in their name ๐
zinc matrix
lets see if the bank will even cover the Twitter deal now
australia let one incident scare the pants off them and now your only course of action when organized crime comes a knocking is hoping the authorities care enough to come save your butt
foggy path
I happened to listen to Asian Dub Foundation's Fortress Europe yesterday
and I realized the "story" in it is set in... 2022
pearl elk
freedom in the US but you get pinged in Cali for being 2db over the legal limit in your car ๐
foggy path
land of the free (terms and conditions apply)
pearl elk
Im glad Australias states are mostly inline when it comes to laws, must be a pain in the arse travelling across the US and reminding yourself as you enter a new state
zinc matrix
freedom in the US but you get pinged in Cali for being 2db over the legal limit ...
meh. i dont live in CA. so i could not care less about what CA does
foggy path
the whole regular mass shootings sitch in there is so bad that even our newspapers are writing "it's unlikely anything will change and these shootings will continue" smh
pearl elk
worst thing you'll get arrested for when crossing state lines is carrying fruit lol
zinc matrix
worst thing you'll get arrested for when crossing state lines is carrying fruit ...
oh they wont arrest you for your car exjhaust lmao
foggy path
I remember it wasn't even that long ago when the US was still a place I considered I might want to move to
but ohhh no, no. Not anymore
lol
carmine frigate
its a big place..
pearl elk
there are still some pretty decent job opportunities there if youre willing to risk it
foggy path
Yeah I mean it's probably just fine in general
But the whole local politics and everything is like... yeah
you hear about all the shit so much even when not living there, how is it if you do live there lol
carmine frigate
politics is shit everywhere ๐
pearl elk
there are some rules its like omg thats so cool but then theres other stuff thats totally whack
foggy path
as much as people complain about EU at least you can sorta trust they're trying to do the right thing lol
left granite
politics is shit everywhere ๐
same here
foggy path
well I'm referring to EU specifically, not europe/european countries
pearl elk
Australia is small enough you can ignore politics all together and no one will care ๐
foggy path
you guys are too busy fighting all the shit trying to kill you out there
probably have to wear kangaroo repellent
carmine frigate
@foggy path im not gunna point ๐
pearl elk
I have the carcasses of all the dead spiders scattered around the doors and windows as a warning
foggy path
lol
pearl elk
tbh though you can easily avoid most of the things wanting to kill you by not going in the water
your chances of death rise significantly by just being at the beach
carmine frigate
or near the water.. or under a tree
pearl elk
esp if the tree was on fire
carmine frigate
avoid public highway aswell
pearl elk
lol highway, in Australia, good joke
pearl elk
we got these little roads, maybe 4 or 5 lanes across if youre extremely lucky
foggy path
finnish highway
pearl elk
looks clean
foggy path
connecting two large cities no less
yeah they are in good condition in general but they're not very high or very way
carmine frigate
finland has large cities?
pearl elk
city is only 10k people
foggy path
comparatively speaking lol
carmine frigate
we have decent roads but they work on em all the time
dunno why.. shouldt be too hard to make a road that lasts long right? ๐
pearl elk
Ive always wondered if theres a place called startland
foggy path
there's a place called shit lake
pearl elk
chit creek
foggy path
there is also a shit river, probably several shit ponds, and other fun place names here
pearl elk
you should check out Mount Blowhard
pearl elk
dont do it
cursive crypt
ok
goes to sleep
pearl elk
6.4GB ๐ฎ
cursive crypt
you... liar
cursive crypt
Don't do shaders. Profit.
carmine frigate
fervent scroll
Anyone know of virtual production companies in Sydney?
fleet tangle
soft night
cursive crypt
This thing still alive I guess.
zinc matrix
guys
cursive crypt
๐ง
zinc matrix
i almost died just now
working on my fuggin car wit shoddy amazon jackstands
fuck amazon in that respect
great CX but damn if they sell these to anyone else theyre not gonna last long
mossy nexus
buy cheap buy twice.
zinc matrix
buy cheap buy twice.
buy cheap die once
mossy nexus
we all die at least once anyway ๐
zinc matrix
they werent even cheap. they were all I could find that suited my purposes
and i prefer to die of old age rather than at 30 crushed by a fuggin car
mossy nexus
zinc matrix
https://tenor.com/view/highlander-kurgan-clancy-brown-something-to-say-better-to...
nobody answered his question
mossy nexus
Kurgan doesn't ask questions, he tells people the way it is... ๐
visual tusk
hi , i am new in unreal engine 5 , i am learning the udemy course of unreal engine 5 , i want to know is this specification good ,
my laptop is
lenovo ideapad gaming 3
AMD ryzen 5 4600H
GTX 1650
16 gb ram
512 gb ssd
120 Hz FHD display
modest bluff
hi , i am new in unreal engine 5 , i am learning the udemy course of unreal engi...
Yeah that's fine that'll work
The computers at my college are shit and still work just fine
you'll be aight
zinc matrix
hi , i am new in unreal engine 5 , i am learning the udemy course of unreal engi...
this is very close to my acer nitro 5 specs. it runs UE 4.26 and up just fine.
cursive crypt
Hm..
Why I have byteswap then...
I think I adjusted/took the proposal and added it myself, teheh
Can't remember the amount of times this was written.
*reinvented.
It is pretty cool header, yeah
There... https://github.com/bruxisma/byteswap
However, note you can extend the builtins for non-msvc too (if you want to reuse outside UE say). But then some of them seems to fail during consteval so, that's why the manual shifts there.
(โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
trap
visual tusk
this is very close to my acer nitro 5 specs. it runs UE 4.26 and up just fine.
@modest bluff alright then i will start learning unreal engine 5 immediately thank you guyz for your replies , i was on my way to sell this laptop hahahaha thank you,
there's a saying " Be happy with what you have" so currently i just have to go with this maybe sometime in future i may upgrade when i become a pro ๐
modest bluff
Good luck :D
proud jay
I decided to build a home server for under 300 euros
I just ordered my parts for 510 euros ๐
cursive crypt
proud jay
It says a lot that the image is not even fully loading
nvm the image is just an image half grey
F in the chat
deep copper
ah yes, #lounge , the place full of mysterious links
i am sorry okay?? xD
and i do add "jk" for safety
see ! such safety
just don't look away ๐ฅฐ
#lounge needs guidance!
min*
or first quartile or something
it's just a kind request for not looking away, nothing wrong ๐
turbid spindleBOT
:triangular_flag_on_post: Dieter#6486 received strike 1. As a result, they were muted for 10 minutes.
short grove
the jk didn't help
deep copper
now that i think of it, it really didn't save me from strikes back then either ๐ค
wdym ?
๐ ?
deep copper
hey that's a cool law
proud jay
Thanks
cursive crypt
He spoke again.
proud jay
hardest 10 min of my life
short grove
welcome back dieter
proud jay
didn't have a chance to get dietered for a whole 10 min ๐ญ
deep copper
welcome back ! want me to help ?
proud jay
you forgot the jk at the end of that sentence
cursive crypt
Ask for one more slap?
short grove
!8ball do you want to slap Dieter again?
turbid spindleBOT
@short grove, :8ball: It is certain.
deep copper
you forgot the jk at the end of that sentence
that's not a joke though, i really would help if it takes bare minimum effort and is easily doable by me
celest musk
i'm sure ily can distract you for at least another 10 minutes
short grove
with discussion about hugs and the sorts
deep copper
i'm sure ily can distract you for at least another 10 minutes
hmm, i can send you a 1000 heart emojis in dm ๐ค , or something, that's all my capabilities amount to...
celest musk
he's part of the cult
deep copper
which cult?
celest musk
well, obviously another thing missing in your notes
deep copper
please complete all my notes ?
short grove
what kind of notes are we talking about?
short grove
oh
celest musk
then he adds a hug rating
deep copper
what kind of notes are we talking about?
discord notes, i generally atleast add the username there if that person has occurred in lounge more than a few times
celest musk
the lower the hugability the more he wants to hug them
deep copper
the lower the hugability the more he wants to hug them
how did you know ? ๐ฎ
deep copper
well mine should be at 0, i guess, <#221799439008923648> is where it's at
if you don't hug me it goes up,
๐
short grove
i should probably back away slowly
deep copper
i should probably back away slowly
if you don't move I won't see you
celest musk
xD
deep copper
if you hug him something else goes up
no the rating would go down, because then you are considered secured
celest musk
someone gonna have nightmares tonight...
short grove
i already have vivid day-mares
deep copper
do you want to have some 4k experience?
soft night
soft night
zinc matrix
i remember this gif when it didn't had that text on it ๐ค
ping
deep copper
๐
deep glen
https://tenor.com/view/sigma-sigma-male-grindset-chad-cope-gif-25627743
my gf would prolly scream until she passes out if she'd be on a plane moving like this.
she can barely handle regular planes
deep copper
my gf would prolly scream until she passes out if she'd be on a plane moving lik...
haha- anyone would insta die if they don't have seatbelts on in there
and don't scare me like that i thought that was a warning
celest musk
looks like the hell of a "ride"
soft night
cursive crypt
lucid walrus
Oh, come on Epic!
soft night
cursive crypt
solid hull
โ๏ธ all mocap in the 2000's looked like that
timber viper
I was this ๐ค close to forget everything about this server in my vacation and got pinged ๐ญ
zinc matrix
People were talking about firearm laws here?
Not going to add anything, but yanks seem to like to pick on us for some reason as being the land where guns are no no. But japan is pretty strict also, why don't you pick on them hmm?
zinc matrix
please don't summon Blue Man
solid hull
Not going to add anything, but yanks seem to like to pick on us for some reason ...
(because weebs)
peak anchor
is this the right place to ask / discuss game design stuff?
i cant find a good channel for it
deep glen
#design-chat iirc
oh yea, it was archived because nobody used it properly
forgot about that
scarlet cedar
just ask it here i guess? that was the advice i got .. from here
split holly
'sup people?
scarlet cedar
'sup people?
same. you?
but really, im procrastinating the absolute shit out of doing any work on my project
split holly
Why don't you want to work on it?
scarlet cedar
Why don't you want to work on it?
lots of design choices and im scared of making the wrongs ones and having to redo all the work later
split holly
Understandable.
How about locking in the ones you feel confident about? Or the ones that will effect the rest?
Maybe not locking in...but considering them locked. And see how you feel about the next ones after that?
scarlet cedar
its not really a matter of choosing features to add which it sounds like what you are talking about. its more that there is a way i want things to work and i dont know how to do it the "right way"
i am 100% winging my project
foggy path
you probably won't get anywhere by procrastinating on the choices :)
top tip is to just do it in the simplest possible way even if it might be slightly wrong... simple system is easy to change
scarlet cedar
you probably won't get anywhere by procrastinating on the choices :)
i prefer to think of it as pondering.. you know? like a philosopher
foggy path
whatever helps you sleep at night lol
scarlet cedar
ye it doesnt lmao :(
night grove
its not really a matter of choosing features to add which it sounds like what yo...
Analysis paralysis is common for stuff like this. Sometimes it's good to think about the problem, sometimes you over think the problem. Writing prototype / throw away code can help because you don't have the pressure of making it "perfect" the first time
split holly
Absolutely, do some shit, mess around. You'll see where stuff doesn't work when you bring it from you mind onto "paper"
And as usual, be ready to kill your darlings. If it doesn't work it doesn't
scarlet cedar
ye its just a bit overwhelming for me because not only am i inexperienced, but i dont really have a network of people to bounce my ideas off. i have a few friends but only like 1 of them is a game dev
split holly
Bounce here, bounce everywhere(TM)
foggy path
inexperience is good
scarlet cedar
ye thats true. i have a bit but its sort of annoying having to explain my game every time i want some advice, so i have to basically think of an analogy that does not require me to explain it.. if that makes sense? maybe im just being stupid
split holly
ye thats true. i have a bit but its sort of annoying having to explain my game e...
Understandable
night grove
ye its just a bit overwhelming for me because not only am i inexperienced, but i...
Even when you know what you are doing, what you do will probably be wrong to at least some degree
It is natural for the design to shift throughout development, write things in ways you can change them in the future
scarlet cedar
ye i just wish i could train myself out of wanting to do things "properly" the first time
split holly
Well, there's a difference between "I want to do this, but I have no idea where to start" and "I want to do this, but I'm not sure about the exact optimal solution" which is it?
night grove
ye i just wish i could train myself out of wanting to do things "properly" the ...
I think it is a tendency engrained by schools. I have that trait and it is one thing I hate the most about myself.
scarlet cedar
Well, there's a difference between "I want to do this, but I have no idea where ...
honestly sort of both but i struggle a lot more with the latter
split holly
A thing that schools don't teach is failing
scarlet cedar
i dont need school for that am i right?
split holly
It's ok to fail
night grove
I'm making an alternative to chaos destruction, and I kid you not, I have deleted more code than I have kept.
split holly
It's ok to fail, fuck up but then you have to get the fuck up
night grove
Maybe there's a better way to do things? All I know is I'd rather have 3 failed attempts than 3 days of AP Hell / not getting anything done.
split holly
School tells you "this is the right solution, it's been tested" etc...you think they didn't spend 2000 hours finding out they fucked up and then trying to find the right solution?
fathom wadi
I saw a video about procrastination in my Youtube list earlier so I put it into my Watch later list
split holly
Perfect solutions it a fiction created by movies and whatnot
night grove
I saw a video about procrastination in my Youtube list earlier so I put it into ...
Awesome
fathom wadi
awesome and it's a true story :p
split holly
@scarlet cedar I'm really talking to my self here actually but I hope it helps you.
scarlet cedar
<@102286643368558592> I'm really talking to my self here actually but I hope it ...
nah im just reading. its definitely helpful to know that im not the only person who struggles with it
split holly
nah im just reading. its definitely helpful to know that im not the only person ...
Ofc you're not alone. Fucking lone-genius-bullshit kills so much creativity. We're all standing on the shoulders of giants. But those giants are made of the collective work of thousands
We're all anxious.
fathom wadi
I have extreme anxiety. Not because of game dev though, I'm just fkd in the head
scarlet cedar
I have extreme anxiety. Not because of game dev though, I'm just fkd in the head
same but also game dev. its like anxiety+
split holly
I have extreme anxiety. Not because of game dev though, I'm just fkd in the head
You're not fucked in the head. You're just you.
fathom wadi
nah im messed up dude
split holly
Naw
fathom wadi
I have issues believe me
fleet tangle
At least if you're a c++ dev the compiler trains you to be good at handling rejection.
split holly
Yeah, not sayin you don't have but there are thousands like you. You're not alone or anything
fathom wadi
nah I've got a wife and 5 kids in the house. Its impossible to be alone
split holly
That's not issues
fathom wadi
dude I never said that was my issues
split holly
What are your issues then?
fathom wadi
I'd rather not say here, its not really suitable
split holly
I'd rather not say here, its not really suitable
Then be brave enough to have someone help you. Seek therapy or whatever you need?
fathom wadi
I tried therapy, it didn't work
scarlet cedar
nah I've got a wife and 5 kids in the house. Its impossible to be alone
feels. for a long time before, i was always really lonely.. now i wish i was sometimes
fathom wadi
heh yeah the peace and quiet of being lonely is under-rated
split holly
I tried therapy, it didn't work
Find the therapist that's right for you, there are sooo many that are just bad at what they do.
fathom wadi
Stand up and everyone will see your holiness``` - SoundgardenI've read a dozen psychotherapy books. My problem isn't one with a solution that is healthy for me as it requires murder
thats something im not prepared to do so I just live with it
on the upside, game dev is a nice way to distract my brain from it.
scarlet cedar
on the upside, game dev is a nice way to distract my brain from it.
it is a weird escape
split holly
Well, reading books and actually trying to do better is not the same thing as anyone could tell you
fathom wadi
well therapists read the same books
scarlet cedar
well therapists read the same books
guess your only solution is to study the ways of the therapist and do your own therapy sessions /s
fathom wadi
that was my plan
split holly
I mean, you know how textbooks are made. How they get payed etc,
It's not the same as how things work between people. 'especially pshych textbooks are just a guessing game with little hard science behind them. That's why I'm saying find the right therapist that works for you. Theory is not practice.
fathom wadi
ok I shall search the entire planet for that one person who can buck the trend. Thanks Doc.
split holly
Meh, You can ofc give up if you think that's how the world works. I would just recommend seeking help instead of suffering.
scarlet cedar
you should probably stop. they have clearly stated they dont want to talk about it and they have also obviously sought out help
split holly
Yeah, I'm out. I wanted to help you.
fathom wadi
Yeah, I'm out. I wanted to help you.
I appreciate that. Thanks anyway
split holly
I appreciate that. Thanks anyway
Thank you, Marc for helping!
burnt lake
harsh stirrup
Shout out to @fickle reef !!!
This dude is a frigging genius ๐
Looking forward to working with him more!!!
fleet tangle
Did he save Arkham again?
fathom wadi
thats almost suspect.
solid hull
Well... that's not right
fathom wadi
anisotropy?
left granite
Well... that's not right
burnt lake
graceful sequoia
oh sweet glory
solid hull
Well... that's not right
It was the fricken physics asset. I moved the capsule too far away from the hips or something. Welp, there goes 1 hour lol. Good night.
graceful sequoia
wow wouldnt have expected that
still haven
How do I into C++
unreal ether
?
still haven
I understand the logic, but I have no idea how to actually write code. Just thought I'd learn it on a whim
All I need to know is the barebones to get started, by that I mean how to render graphics and how to write logic
unreal ether
Your question made no sense
still haven
The rest I can roll with
unreal ether
There lists of good c++ books online
still haven
Books? In the year of our lord 2022?
unreal ether
Rendering graphics ur gonna want a library like sfml or sdl
still haven
Honestly, I don't have time for that, I'll lose interest in like a week
Hey, that's a good start, I've heard of sfml
unreal ether
Yeah they have libraries for other languages too i think
But to properly use sfml you gonna need to know the basics
Like pointers n stuff
rare mauve
if you aren't interested in spending a week studying a complex programming language you should just go play video games instead of wanting to make them
graceful sequoia
theres an irony here
rare mauve
books are good
still haven
Your question made no sense
I mean, I understand the logic of code, I know what a variable is, what an integer, or a float is, and I understand how to achieve something I want ot achieve, I just don't know the magic words that make it happen
unreal ether
The point is c++ isnt like a lot of languages
You need stuff like memory management and pointer knowledge which a lot of other languages dont do
unreal ether
if you aren't interested in spending a week studying a complex programming langu...
This
still haven
I mean, I could go play videogames, but I've already done that. I love making stuff.
unreal ether
If you dont wanna spend a week reading the best resources, then this probably aint for you
graceful sequoia
its taken most of us several hundred years to c++ good
rare mauve
yes it's not 1 week it's 2 hours on youtube 
still haven
Well, if I get through the one week there's a way bigger chance I'll keep going, that's just how things work out for me. I normally learn a bunch of shit in a day and then plateau
unreal ether
Several hundred... im year 2904 ;-;
quasi mantle
Books? In the year of our lord 2022?
Fuck yes.
still haven
Usually I get very close to actually getting good at something in very little time and then end up mediocre
graceful sequoia
my advice is: if you dont know a textual programming language, go learn one and make something cool in it
maybe even a game
pick an easier language
quasi mantle
Though granted I said that as a bookworm
unreal ether
^
graceful sequoia
learn that, come back to C++
quasi mantle
That one kid who always visits school library in break time
still haven
Also I learn things more by doing because it keeps me motivated. A book is going to do nothing, because it will likely just be a waste of time. I won't achieve anything if I read the book, absorb nothing, and then lose interest
And by the way, I do like reading
but not for this
unreal ether
The point of the book is to read then apply your knowledge
Read a bit on pointers then try to do smthn with it
broken sigil
Also I learn things more by doing because it keeps me motivated. A book is going...
Yes if you just read it, same with video or any other form of tutorials
You need to try the things you just watched, read or whatever
still haven
Cool, that should work. Normally I just learn what I'm trying to do by googling like an idiot and searching stack overflow
unreal ether
But i guarabtee you dont just need "to know the magic words to make it happen"
cursive crypt
AYo, why ppl talk about work here
still haven
Now that I think about it I should maybe get back to that weird hex grid game thing I was testing a while back
cursive crypt
Be happy, drop a meme.
still haven
I wonder if I still have it
graceful sequoia
AYo, why ppl talk about work here
ryo I posted a meme, it's fine
quasi mantle
Also I learn things more by doing because it keeps me motivated. A book is going...
I'm sure you're having more interest if there is a C++ book but with anime illustration like light novels for no fricking reason
unreal ether
Now that I think about it I should maybe get back to that weird hex grid game th...
You aint ginna do that in ur first hour of c++
rare mauve
class AbraCadabra : AMagic
quasi mantle
Shipipi-chan
graceful sequoia
oh I thought this felt like cpp crew
cursive crypt
`class AbraCadabra : AMagic`
Is magic an actor?
still haven
@unreal ether I mean, I know that's stretching it, but isn't that literally what something like blueprint is? Understanding the logic without knowing the magic words
graceful sequoia
well kudos to Damien, no one ever follows me out of cpp when I get kicked for meming
still haven
lel
unreal ether
Yes but blueprint is inssnely different to raw c++
You dont get any of those helper functions lol
cursive crypt
Told ya few times, go ask on #server-feedback for a #cpp lounge or something...
still haven
I agree, I know I'll get bogged to hell with libraries and importing things
unreal ether
Told ya few times, go ask on <#221798481679876099> for a <#221799439008923648> l...
This is cpp lounge wym
graceful sequoia
technically lounge has no topic
still haven
and just overall minutia
unreal ether
I agree, I know I'll get bogged to hell with libraries and importing things
But the point is you make them
cursive crypt
technically lounge has no topic
It has - oFf ToPIc
unreal ether
You write a quick lil dot product function in a util.h
graceful sequoia
judged. I feel.
still haven
Oh I definitely won't do the hex grid thing in C++, for starters 3D is probably a pain to do, and also I don't remember a lot of the logic I used to calculate and generate the hex pattern things
graceful sequoia
like 5.0.2 and how I'll regrow all the hair I ripped out on 5.0.1
cursive crypt
It says off-topic and talk about anything.
still haven
But honestly, knowing how everything works on a base level is probably really freeing
unreal ether
for 3d you would direct x or vulkan
cursive crypt
If you haven't learned CPP the first expression is evaluated first.
still haven
like, if you fucked up you fucked up
still haven
It's not some weird unreal assumption or some other built-in function you need to figure out
you're in control of everything pretty much
cursive crypt
It is still AND tho...
Bitwise, logicalwise, talk wise, cake wise!
Thats a railroad.
graceful sequoia
actually, the . is like a ;
cursive crypt
It is a sad dot.
graceful sequoia
so its
This is the place for off-topic discussion;
Kick back, hang out, and talk about anything;
thats sequence
so we first must talk about something off-topic, and then we can talk about anything
trail wedge
It has - oFf ToPIc
it was off-topic in #cpp since they did not want to use Unreal Engine, but still wanted to talk to people on this server about learning some "magic" c++ for their from scratch engine; for some reason....
cursive crypt
Hmm.... no.
They used a . dot operator. Which means the second sentence is member of the first.
graceful sequoia
it was off-topic in <#221799439008923648> since they did not want to use Unreal ...
oh man, with that context: go build a 2D game using a canvas library in JS or something. Or maybe even Unity. C# has way more guard rails. Just learn literally anything else first
unreal ether
ah yes.. making an engine, the most simple thing in any language as anyone knows
trail wedge
yeh I had to really pick and choose what ridiculous parts to leave in/out of that description; but that revelation came after the #lounge banishment
quasi mantle
At least making a damn renderer first.
Something like 64 KB demoscene or smaller demo prods
cursive crypt
it was off-topic in <#221799439008923648> since they did not want to use Unreal ...
I see. Still nice to have a #programmer or something. Talk not only about C++ but general coding.
unreal ether
just read ur convo in #cpp @still haven , if you cannot google the libraries and the "magic" words to make the logic you know, then you don't know your logic
if you know you logic it should be as easy as a documentation lookup
graceful sequoia
the syntax of C++ isnt the hard part about it
nor is knowing what functions/classes/etc do what in the framework you are using
unreal ether
if you wanna move your character, you make ur update loop, and then fo the maths for velocity, and make your own deltatime
but if you dont know that, then you dont know the logic
graceful sequoia
basically my whole strategy ๐ but i do the code good kind of
trail wedge
graceful sequoia
art is hard
cpp is easy
cpp is easy when youve already worked in 12 other languages
cpp is hard
broken sigil
so its
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This is the place for off-topic discussion;
Kick back, hang out, and...
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and have even more fun than usual by trying to make them work in a different engine
cursive crypt
```cpp
FDiscordQuestion DQuestion(Question);
if(DQuestion.IsOffTopic() && DQues...
I guess bIgnoreRules has protected access.
still haven
I'm not saying I know 100% how C++ specifically works, I'm saying that I'm not going into this like "mom I'm gonna make a gaem", if I want to create a system I have some planning and a draft-level understanding of how it should work. @graceful sequoia It is when you barely know any syntax or functions, and when you look up how to do something specific you get overwhelmed with a bunch of other stuff
graceful sequoia
and have even more fun than usual by trying to make them work in a different eng...
pretty sure thats not even allowed, no?
trail wedge
pretty sure thats not even allowed, no?
does that seem like something that would dissuade this person
unreal ether
you can use marketplace packs elsewhere actually
as long as theyre not epic or their partners/subsidiaries
graceful sequoia
well--- it gets a little bit weird
still haven
By the way, I don't care if it's C++, I just want to understand a language that allows me to do interesting stuff on a base level without an engine, if there's another one you guys recommend I'm fine using it
graceful sequoia
because a fair bit of marketplace packs derive from epic's own assets
cursive crypt
Blueprints
graceful sequoia
take for instance, a character, fully rigged, with the UE skeleton and shipped with the third person animations
still haven
I've done blueprints, they are fun to mess around with, but a bit limited and demanding on your pc
trail wedge
Blueprints
the whole issue is they don't want to learn/use UE and they want to do low level stuff for some reason like direct drawing
graceful sequoia
in case youve ever wondered why every UE marketplace character seems to run like manny does ๐
cursive crypt
aah... opengl then, it is nice.
trail wedge
sure why not?
unreal ether
ye
graceful sequoia
ahh yeah actually? not sure why you wouldnt?
still haven
Ok, call me stupid but opengl is a language? I assumed it was a library, or a secondary thing to use with another language like C++
still haven
opengl would be really good actually for rendering basic 3d stuff
cursive crypt
So, you can use it from whatever supports it.
still haven
considering that's not gonna work using a processor
trail wedge
opengl is for 2d too
unreal ether
opengl would be really good actually for rendering basic 3d stuff
dont even think about rendering 3d yet
still haven
but
graceful sequoia
do not try to just learn 3d maths and make a 3d engine thinking youll make some awesome game
cursive crypt
Hey... some guys learned like that... Tried.
unreal ether
dont even think about it
graceful sequoia
there's a reason the market for reusable 3d game engines has whittled down to (about) three choices
broken sigil
If you just started out you are looking at least a year or 2 of trial and error before you actually manage to implement your own basic renderer
still haven
I'm obviously not gonna make a 3d engine from scratch, that's ridiculous. I'm sure there are libraries for basic 3d rendering
trail wedge
@still haven are you in/out of college? is 3d math new to you?
unreal ether
that still require a deep understanding of the language
still haven
what's vector3d that I always see cropping up in code?
unreal ether
do not even think about it
if you dont know what a vector3 is then ur way over ur head
graceful sequoia
yeahhhhhhhh
still haven
@trail wedge I'm a working adult if that's what you're asking, but that's not very relevant. I am aware that I am underestimating these things
graceful sequoia
ok i take it back, go learn 3d math
trail wedge
<@251051260738797569> I'm a working adult if that's what you're asking, but that...
I'm just asking about your education background so I know what you will/won't understand
graceful sequoia
i didnt even mean vectors
still haven
I understand very basic 3d math. I'd know how to position an object, like I was trying to do with my hex grid thing using fractal noise
graceful sequoia
i meant... i dunno... unrolling 3d meshes into octrees or some shit
unreal ether
i meant... i dunno... unrolling 3d meshes into octrees or some shit
thats what im learning next year ๐
still haven
I would know how to make a function to achieve something I want, I wouldn't know how to apply the laws of physics to make a rigid body simulation or something
unreal ether
I would know how to make a function to achieve something I want, I wouldn't know...
way in over your head
please trust me
this is why engines exist
use an engine
graceful sequoia
use unreal, actually
unreal ether
i'd say you got a solid year or two of learning before you can comfortably replicate these things
graceful sequoia
but before you go write a bunch of c++, write some code in JS, python, ruby, or something else
unreal ether
or just use an engine
you want custom 3d with rigid body simulations
just use an engine
graceful sequoia
for your unreal, work with blueprints, it's the same logic, and as you get more experience in programming, advance to c++
still haven
This is me being really arrogant, but I think you're underestimating me. I know this shit is really hard, I know it's difficult to understand, but half of it is copying the logic somebody else has already figured out and applying it
unreal ether
This is me being really arrogant, but I think you're underestimating me. I know ...
no it really isnt
graceful sequoia
awwww man
unreal ether
and we arent underestimating you
just by the language you are using ik you got at least a year of solid learning
broken sigil
This is me being really arrogant, but I think you're underestimating me. I know ...
We all thought like that when we were first starting lol
unreal ether
you are at that peak of the dunning kreuger rn
broken sigil
And oh boy were we all wrong lol
graceful sequoia
We all thought like that when we were first starting lol
those were the days
broken sigil
๐
unreal ether
you want the magic words to put your basic understanding of the logic into action... thats not how it works, you need a deep understanding of the language and logic, which is gonna take years
you cant just get the magic reference and have this done in a week
if you wanna do it
still haven
I'm partially being hyperbolic, but I think you guys are making things that in theory should be basic to be an ungodly task that only the most holy of rick and morty watchers could understand
unreal ether
start learning the basics and learn some console apps
graceful sequoia
I encourage you to go read the code for nanite
unreal ether
I'm partially being hyperbolic, but I think you guys are making things that in t...
it is not theory in basic at all
still haven
What's nanite?
unreal ether
if you think a rigid body physics simulation is at all "basic" even in theory then you have more learning than i thought
graceful sequoia
it's the virtual geometry system for ue5
unreal ether
cause ur understanding isnt basic, it's flawed
still haven
No, no no no, I never said that. I specifically said I wouldn't be able to make a rigid body simulator from scratch. Somebody has already done it.
unreal ether
yes in an engine
so use it
even using the rigid body library with opengl is gonna take a hell of a lot of programming knowledge, and maths knowledge
trust me
you still looking at years of learning
still haven
No, I'm pretty sure they have done it in C++ and opengl as well
unreal ether
you have no idea clearly what goes into this
still haven
engines are bloated and work in obscure ways I can't understand or access
graceful sequoia
they've done it in directx and vulkan yes
unreal ether
if it were this simple then we are all just monkeys with typewriters
and we aint
this stuff is hard
graceful sequoia
and we aint
well, I am, basically
unreal ether
and it takes time to learn
still haven
Not really, you're assuming I'm the monkey
trail wedge
you have no idea clearly what goes into this
unreal ether
if you dont wanna put in the groundwork then you have no place tryina do this stuff
still haven
I'm not denying it mate, I'm not trying to underestimate you, or what you do, or diminish it
trail wedge
Not really, you're assuming I'm the monkey
you aren't making yourself look very competent tbh... and everything they've been saying to you is true; just accept the long road if you wish to walk it
unreal ether
but you are acting like its just sticking libraries together like lego blocks
it isnt
still haven
I've said time and time again that I agree that it is hard. You're telling someone that wants to learn multiplication that particle physics is hard.
It obviously isn't
graceful sequoia
I'm not denying it mate, I'm not trying to underestimate you, or what you do, or...
we're not underestimating you, we know nothing about you, but we do know, is that anyone who approaches these problems like they are easy and "I'm just smart enough to replace a whole team of epic's engineers" is simply not grasping the complexity of the problems involved
unreal ether
no im telling someone with a background in multiplication, that wants to learn particle physics that particle physics is hard
the fact that you came in asking for the "magic words" shows that you have 0 of the fundamentals needed
still haven
I never said that, I have never said I want to replace a team of engineers. All I want is the pieces to fuck around and throw code together until something fun comes out of it
unreal ether
thats not how that works
they dont just "fuck around" they are intricately designed systems that need to be interfaced with correctly
graceful sequoia
I never said that, I have never said I want to replace a team of engineers. All ...
yeah I shouldn't have used double quotes. You didn't say that. It's fine to fuck around! have fun! but man, you will find... that this shit is hard
unreal ether
to even "fuck around" with these libraries you need basic knowledge of the language
and then more when everything goes wrong
form picking up sfml to making a somewhat working version of asteroids, it took a few months
and thats with already knowing a decent bit about standard c++
and most of that was figuring out what went wrong
because it doesnt just all fall neatly into place
if you wanna learn it, learn it the long way, or use an engine
trail wedge
Guys I wanna learn Chinese! I know about brush strokes and shit but I don't want to use any calligraphy books. How do I learn the "magic squiggles" to write my own version of Journey to the West?
still haven
Here's an example, there is a system I was working on a while back, I'm gonna use it an example because it's simple as shit and because I posted it here while I was working on it. How hard would it be to create a 2d grid with hexagons, render it, while assigning a height value to each hexagon using fractal noise. I'd use that as a basis to create things that slowly expand and take control of those hexagons.
quasi mantle
I never said that, I have never said I want to replace a team of engineers. All ...
It seems that you're underestimating what you'll go through on making 3D game engine from scratch.
Not saying it's impossible for solo dev, but you're probably underestimating it.
unreal ether
if you dont want to do the baby steps, then dont expect to be able to sprint to the finish
lethal walrus
I never said that, I have never said I want to replace a team of engineers. All ...
Bro it's fine, engineers aint know shit, replace them all
u can do it, chase ur dreams bb
graceful sequoia
Guys I wanna learn Chinese! I know about brush strokes and shit but I don't want...
Vini Vidi Vici
unreal ether
Here's an example, there is a system I was working on a while back, I'm gonna us...
quite hard
graceful sequoia
honestly snaps ain't wrong, but just adjust your expectations
still haven
This is very silly to say but with blueprints it took me like a day I think, the logic and math is done, how would I port it?
unreal ether
This is very silly to say but with blueprints it took me like a day I think, the...
not easily
quasi mantle
I mean, ffs, even making engine for demo prod is tough, and you only have to worry about the rendering with demo prods (without extreme compression
still haven
Since you guys like engines, how shitty is godot?
unreal ether
godot is great
lethal walrus
Since you guys like engines, how shitty is godot?
Godot is fantastic if you like 2D
quasi mantle
Since you guys like engines, how shitty is godot?
Godot is fine
<@&213101288538374145> possibly NSFW?
still haven
How's godot for a middle ground?
graceful sequoia
Since you guys like engines, how shitty is godot?
not here to judge engines I haven't worked with, what would be wrong with it?
trail wedge
Here's an example, there is a system I was working on a while back, I'm gonna us...
You mean like this... but in 2d?
tall plume
yeah, that wasn't appropriate for this server
unreal ether
lmaoooo extremely difficult having never touched the language
lethal walrus
my bad
graceful sequoia
yeah it was at best borderline I spose
tall plume
yeah, professionalism and all. no strike but dont do it again thanks
still haven
Wow, that looks great. Yes, pretty much like that. I would have it more like a civ map with steps, but rendering it on a ball would be borderline impossible
unreal ether
Wow, that looks great. Yes, pretty much like that. I would have it more like a c...
see above comment
still haven
Are you using a sphere made out of triangles for that?
How the hell do you generate that
trail wedge
Truncated Icosahedron with SLERP
vestal violet
Its all triangles, always
unreal ether
SLERP = ๐
trail wedge
Spherical LERP (Linear Interpolation)
quasi mantle
Posting it for third time
graceful sequoia
waah waah
still haven
Looks great, is the water like a different, can you add transparency to it rendering the pixels behind it or would that be difficult?
lethal walrus
@still haven proceeds to cry at quaternions for the next month
pearl elk
wait how can a sphere be linear
trail wedge
I'm gonna top it with "Someone's Sky"
lethal walrus
wait how can a sphere be linear
radians n that
trail wedge
wait how can a sphere be linear
radius is just a line
still haven
Like, you're already using transparency for the atmosphere
graceful sequoia
glad it's someone else's sky to debug ::runs away::
pearl elk
radius is just a line
but its only a straight line in higher dimensions ๐
trail wedge
Like, you're already using transparency for the atmosphere
that's just a variable in a standard material
graceful sequoia
crazy what you can do with shaders and such
quasi mantle
Yes Women's Land
trail wedge
see I spent my time making my actor, instead of wasting my time making the rest of the engine
still haven
For my system I'd need to assign an ID to each hexagon since I'd have to address them for another system. Also maybe divide it in chunks since loading them all at once would be a bit of a pain
Now that I think about it it would be difficult
in 3d
trail wedge
world partitioning is a thing in UE5 just saying
broken sigil
Why not just use an engine...
unreal ether
in C++ with no prior knowledge
pearl elk
chunkify, you need a kitkat algorithm
graceful sequoia
see I spent my time making my actor, instead of wasting my time making the rest ...
but how will you customize it? since unreal is already built there's no way to change it! not like there's code available or anything
unreal ether
not to mention ur inexperienced cobbled together engine is likely gonna perform worse than one of the big contenders
lethal walrus
Why not just use an engine...
you can't tell me what to do ur not my dad
pearl elk
what if I told you Unreal was more like a motor not an engine ๐
trail wedge
but how will you customize it? since unreal is already built there's no way to c...
maybe they're blind and can't read the source did you think about that; their Discord could be using TTS
vestal violet
not to mention ur inexperienced cobbled together engine is likely gonna perform ...
I resent that. My triangle renderer runs at minimum 5hz.
graceful sequoia
world partitioning is a thing in UE5 just saying
world partition is dreamy : ๐คฉ
still haven
Because using an engine for like a 24 hour game jam, with a rubbish PC is overkill
unreal ether
I resent that. My triangle renderer runs at *minimum* 5hz.
well mine runs at 5.1Hz
still haven
Engines are bloated and I have no access to a lot of the logic
trail wedge
Because using an engine for like a 24 hour game jam, with a rubbish PC is overki...
Using an engine is how you make a game in 24 hours....
unreal ether
Because using an engine for like a 24 hour game jam, with a rubbish PC is overki...
wut... literally everyone uses an engine for gamejams
broken sigil
You have access to the entire engine source, what do you mean
lethal walrus
Because using an engine for like a 24 hour game jam, with a rubbish PC is overki...
if anything it's the opposite
unreal ether
you cannot do gamejams from neat
graceful sequoia
Because using an engine for like a 24 hour game jam, with a rubbish PC is overki...
actually that's probably a perfect reason to not build an engine if you want it to be 3d
lethal walrus
unless ur notch :^)
vestal violet
If someone is writing a functional engine in 24 hours AND a game running on it, I want to meet that person
still haven
Nah, java is worse than most other options
unreal ether
Donald Knuth fears that person
quasi mantle
Engines are bloated and I have no access to a lot of the logic
Except you have access to the Unreal Engine source code and modify it to your will
still haven
I mean, I should have said, using Unreal speficially is overkill
pearl elk
If someone is writing a functional engine in 24 hours AND a game running on it, ...
tbh Id be impressed with just the engine let alone a game
unreal ether
no it isnt
still haven
I can see people using GameMaker, Godot, or something
graceful sequoia
unless ur notch :^)
I've built Minecraft mods and dug into the internals, there's good stuff but he's far from some kind of supergenius
broken sigil
You have access to the entire engine source, what do you mean
And can modify it and strip out anything you don't need
Still much easier than wasting your time trying to do everything on your own
pearl elk
why have we all been wasting our lives using an engine guys
unreal ether
using unreal for a jam is defo not overkill, otherwise... why would there be unreal gamejams
quasi mantle
I mean, I should have said, using Unreal speficially is overkill
No, it isn't
lethal walrus
I've built Minecraft mods and dug into the internals, there's good stuff but he'...
I was more referring to his ludum dare stuff but yeh
trail wedge
I mean, I should have said, using Unreal speficially is overkill
Gonna be blunt... you have no clue what you're talking about and shouldn't really have an opinion on this tbh
graceful sequoia
I was more referring to his ludum dare stuff but yeh
that's fair
pearl elk
imagine all the work we coulda got done in 24hrs without Unreal
quasi mantle
For one, Epic Games Launcher is a UE4 application.
terse wasp
For one, Epic Games Launcher is a UE4 application.
Yeah, but that's part of why it sucks.
lethal walrus
truth, ratio atheists
unreal ether
why have we all been wasting our lives using an engine guys
i cannot belive i bought a ryzen cpu rather than smashing some silicon between rocks to make my own
still haven
Alright. I would like to strip all of the 3d functionality of Unreal for a single project. While I'm at it I would like to remove all of the superfluous code I'm not gonna use and not have to download a 50GB engine to make super mario
graceful sequoia
Yeah, but that's part of why it sucks.
Sadly. Should've used Ue5 ayyooo
still haven
Do we have a tutorial for that
quasi mantle
Yeah, but that's part of why it sucks.
Nah, Epic just neglected the UX for the launcher
trail wedge
i cannot belive i bought a ryzen cpu rather than smashing some silicon between r...
real programmers make their own 6 generations of stars to form rocky planets to make their own silicone
still haven
I would love some documentation
unreal ether
Alright. I would like to strip all of the 3d functionality of Unreal for a singl...
if you want 2D i will concede a different engine is better
terse wasp
Nah, Epic just neglected the UX for the launcher
I'm not talkin' about the UX - the performance for the launcher is total ass.
lethal walrus
Alright. I would like to strip all of the 3d functionality of Unreal for a singl...
Hear me out, don't strip anything out
quasi mantle
Alright. I would like to strip all of the 3d functionality of Unreal for a singl...
*20 GB
*8 GB for UE4
lethal walrus
just use the engine
graceful sequoia
Nah, Epic just neglected the UX for the launcher
which is incredible, because um.... that's where... um... the money comes from sooooo
trail wedge
I'm not talkin' about the UX - the performance for the launcher is total ass.
that's an experience alright
broken sigil
Alright. I would like to strip all of the 3d functionality of Unreal for a singl...
Sure, you can go ahead and do just that
And have much easier time than trying to implement everything from scratch
unreal ether
ah yes ryan laley's new tutorial "how to tailor ue4 source to only work with 2d, and remove all the superfluous code"
lethal walrus
@still haven don't unpack the special sauce just enjoy the burger, spend your 24hrs building a game, not an engine
quasi mantle
Alright. I would like to strip all of the 3d functionality of Unreal for a singl...
Also your build can easily get into 100 MB or less
unreal ether
but heres another hint... 2d games are 3d
quasi mantle
but heres another hint... 2d games are 3d
Oh no
quasi mantle
(FYI Shovel Knight's engine is 3D)
trail wedge
but heres another hint... 2d games are 3d
no don't tell them that... I want them to be horrified when they learn the terrible truth
pearl elk
what if we remove the time dimension
graceful sequoia
no don't tell them that... I want them to be horrified when they learn the terri...
3d games are also 4d games though
trail wedge
even though we said that back in the opengl part of the convo 1 million years ago
unreal ether
3d games are also 4d games though
4d is just 1d with 3 added
still haven
That's stupid, sounds like a Neil DeGrasse Tyson tweet
broken sigil
Plus ripping out the whole 3d functionality is pointless
The code won't run if you don't use anything that runs it
Those few extra kb in the final executable that you will strip out won't make a difference, unless you are developing software for Apollo 1
terse wasp
I mean...if you want to strip out all the 3D...why not just use Godot? lol
pearl elk
10d6 engine is the only answer
trail wedge
you don't plan on having time in your game unless it's replay?
still haven
obviously there are engines that only use 2 axises
graceful sequoia
4d is just 1d with 3 added
going to start work on a 5d game engine, that should turn the marketing train my way
unreal ether
duh what do u think the 5 in UE5 is for
still haven
I pretty sure SNES ASM doesn't use a third one
trail wedge
obviously there are engines that only use 2 axises
not since the late 90s; everything is opengl/directx and 3d on the inside
graceful sequoia
z=0
unreal ether
ASM also isnt an engine
still haven
It might use mode7 but that's 2d being fake 3d
unreal ether
ASM directly adresses video memory
graceful sequoia
orthographic projection
pearl elk
team vulkan ftw
still haven
Games made with ASM have engines
vestal violet
that's 2d being fake 3d
We're making progress!
still haven
they are just self contained for that game
quasi mantle
||Don't tell him about SuperFX||
graceful sequoia
sleep(8h)
trail wedge
they are just self contained for that game
it's like you don't know what "engine" means... it needs to be reusable
quasi mantle
Mode7 is superFX my guy
Wrong
still haven
Wait, no it's not
unreal ether
im done tryina convince them why theyre wrong... you go make ur 2d hexagonal grid with height in asm
still haven
SuperFX is the one Star Fox uses
pearl elk
what if 3d were fake 2d ๐ฎ
still haven
you're right
lethal walrus
you tell em
graceful sequoia
need to guarantee target platform has at least 2 cores
cursive crypt
Imma gona typedef delegates from now on.
trail wedge
you could have just said this when we told you not to do what you want to do
still haven
you're right
lethal walrus
Imma gona typedef delegates from now on.
auto auto auto
graceful sequoia
actually no one in here is really saying use unreal
quasi mantle
We don't have hookers and blackjack
graceful sequoia
just use something
lethal walrus
git gud
vestal violet
We don't have hookers and blackjack
speak for yourself, why do you think I never get any work done?
graceful sequoia
Your casual <#221799439008923648> running loose again.
unreal ether
We don't have hookers and blackjack
Blackjacks are tasty
graceful sequoia
solved it
cursive crypt
https://giphy.com/gifs/rick-astley-Ju7l5y9osyymQ
Missed the spoiler tags.
lethal walrus
Your casual <#221799439008923648> running loose again.
lounge is now #cpp
graceful sequoia
i dont know how to gif and spoiler tags
lethal walrus
all your lounge are belong to us
graceful sequoia
im sorry ive failed the discord gods
still haven
Anyhow, I had already conceded to using an engine, Unreal might be a bit overkill for 2d though. I don't like GameMaker, might give Godot another shot. Any other options?
unreal ether
Lounge always was cpp2, and cpp was always lounge2
cursive crypt
I hear this too much. We need new government, this is too liberal.
broken sigil
Look at what happened to Cyberpunk because they wanted to have a custom engine, their engine turned into a disaster
They are switching to UE5 for their new projects
still haven
Like, very light engines with a lot of freedom
unreal ether
Anyhow, I had already conceded to using an engine, Unreal might be a bit overkil...
Godot
quasi mantle
Like, very light engines with a lot of freedom
Godot
pearl elk
Three.js
unreal ether
Its language is like python and the engine is like 20MB
quasi mantle
Free, open source, editor is just 70 MB
lethal walrus
Look at what happened to Cyberpunk because they wanted to have a custom engine, ...
well I dunno if that's necessarily why
unreal ether
Win wjn
broken sigil
well I dunno if that's necessarily why
At least one of the reasons
still haven
I thought the language was C++, interesting, the internal Godot language is like python?
lethal walrus
Anyhow, I had already conceded to using an engine, Unreal might be a bit overkil...
don't ever use Unreal for 2D
lethal walrus
just don't
graceful sequoia
if only we could make the inverse true (stares at Jack)
unreal ether
No idea it was a while ago when i installed godot
still haven
I know a bit of python, mostly used it to code reddit bots and some other dumb stuff
unreal ether
Could have swore it was only like 20
lethal walrus
@still haven Use Monogame
still haven
I probably forgot everything though
unreal ether
Might be wrong
vestal violet
I thought the language was C++, interesting, the internal Godot language is like...
It's written in C++, but scripted with GDscript which is python-esque. You can use C++ but it's a bit obtuse sometimes.
terse wasp
Look at what happened to Cyberpunk because they wanted to have a custom engine, ...
I feel like that's their own fault though. Less so that it's a sign of a problem with having a custom engine.
unreal ether
Yeah godot uses a custom scripting language i think
lethal walrus
MonoGameeeeeeee
graceful sequoia
Look at what happened to Cyberpunk because they wanted to have a custom engine, ...
i really like CP2077-- but more because of what it could have been ๐ข
terse wasp
Yeah godot uses a custom scripting language i think
GDScript - which has its own issues.
broken sigil
I feel like that's their own fault though. Less so that it's a sign of a problem...
I can't find it now but it was one of their devs or something like that basically talking about what a mess their engine ended up being and how many endless problems it caused
still haven
I mean, agreed, Cyberpunk is a mess, but that's a weird point to make. A ton of games have their own engine and do fine. GTA IV has that most absurdly complex ragdoll system in existence
GTA V is great
Fallout is...alright
graceful sequoia
GTA V is great
That is such a huge exception to the rule. And Fallout is not "fine"
still haven
Fallout 4 is showing signs of weakness considering how old their engine is
but it's holding up
graceful sequoia
they cant even do ladders
terse wasp
I can't find it now but it was one of their devs or something like that basicall...
Oh - I'm not denying their engine was trash for the scope of CP2077. But I don't think it's a mark for having a custom engine. That's all. Plenty of other custom engines that are fine.
graceful sequoia
i heard that starfield will finally add ladders to Creation Engine
trail wedge
How a game plays/how "good" a game is has nothing to do with how good the engine is.... that's more about performance/bugs and ease of development
lethal walrus
๐ M ๐ O ๐ N ๐ O ๐ G ๐ A ๐ M ๐ E ๐
graceful sequoia
they said i needed a Bethesda Account with at least 1,000,000 Bethesda Points to buy it
broken sigil
I mean I loved CP and thought it was great but it had issues, mostly cross platform issues
On PC it was basically perfect when I played it on day 1
terse wasp
Oh - I was one of the lucky ones that didn't really get any bugs too, lol.
graceful sequoia
I mean I loved CP and thought it was great but it had issues, mostly cross platf...
It was pretty good for me, except for reflections
still haven
I don't know if this is me being silly but something bothers me about game dev becoming so standardised. With modelling for example, it's so much cheaper to just grab a premade asset in a big production than to create every single rock and grass blade thinking of the aesthetic of the game
graceful sequoia
It was pretty good for me, except for reflections
Which is kind of a good point: CP2077 doesnt have in game reflections.... think about that
lethal walrus
shaddap
graceful sequoia
BUT, they decided to start you off with their poorly performing reflections as the first thing you see (at least on the Street Punk mode)
still haven
A lot of games just throw on this weird semi-realist look
lethal walrus
I don't know if this is me being silly but something bothers me about game dev b...
It's called being fast
why recreate a rock when quixel has a billion rocks
nobody will even notice
graceful sequoia
why recreate a rock when quixel has a billion rocks
i hope we never make another rock again
vestal violet
It's a lot easier to pay artists for bespoke assets when you've got a released game that pays the bills
assets help with that
trail wedge
honestly if you make your game well nobody will care or notice
still haven
Well yes, but that's such a contrast from for example, when every single asset was made from scratch for a single production with an amazing art direction. Games look so similar to each other.
graceful sequoia
i hope we never make another rock again
who am i kidding, artists are making rocks in ue5 as we speak
lethal walrus
i hope we never make another rock again
vestal violet
who am i kidding, artists are making rocks in ue5 as we speak
Just procgen them, who needs artists anymore /s
still haven
It obviously wouldn't make sense for them to painfully model out every single thing, because it would take a ton of time, but even in games that do that you can see how many assets repeat and just look dull
lethal walrus
Well yes, but that's such a contrast from for example, when every single asset w...
I mean honestly, that sounds like a skill issue of the art department
good art departments will go out of their way to make sure that doesn't happen
graceful sequoia
It obviously wouldn't make sense for them to painfully model out every single th...
nah just rotate and scale em, its fine
still haven
That is true. Some games still look gorgeous, like No Man's Sky, looks alright, and has a consistent aesthetic
lethal walrus
graceful sequoia
its "artistic rotation and scaling"
trail wedge
still haven
Outer Worlds looks decent
broken sigil
I mean, agreed, Cyberpunk is a mess, but that's a weird point to make. A ton of ...
Rockstar is much much larger than CDPR so their engine better be good
And GTA uses Euphoria for their ragdoll system which isn't developed by Rockstar
graceful sequoia
Outer Worlds looks decent
checks notes, oh yeah! Outer Worlds, you mean that Unreal Engine game
quasi mantle
Rockstar is much much larger than CDPR so their engine better be good
And GTA us...
*wasn't
still haven
@graceful sequoia literally what FO4 does, and you can still see it lol. Specially considering there's a system in game that allows you to build things with their assets
@graceful sequoia I know, I'm not saying what you think I'm saying
lethal walrus
@still haven honestly if you don't want a game to look like other games, in UE4 usually the first step is to just go and turn off the tonemapper
quasi mantle
NaturalMotion has since stopped licensing Euphoria, pretty sure Rockstar throws in or replace parts of it with their own code on top of Euphoria.
still haven
That is literally a counterpoint to what I'm saying, it was me going "then again that is a thing"
rare mauve
Ok I just gotta say it The Onion pulled a top tier ace troll move today holy damn
broken sigil
NaturalMotion has since stopped licensing Euphoria, pretty sure Rockstar throws ...
Yeah but the original tech wasn't developed by rockstar
lethal walrus
Ok I just gotta say it The Onion pulled a top tier ace troll move today holy dam...
lmao is it the "no way to prevent this?"
still haven
We need more games with a cutesy slime rancher type aesthetic
or at least that BotW look
vestal violet
so, cel shading?
graceful sequoia
It's much easier to pull off a constrainted art direction as a smaller team
broken sigil
Outer Wilds (not worlds) is one of my top games I ever played
still haven
I'll defend Assassin's Creed on my deathbed but games like these being churned out are getting really stale
graceful sequoia
And some of the best games of our time have used that strategy
terse wasp
Wait - did you say games are looking the same and then say we need more BotW?
still haven
Well yes, how is that contradictory? What games look like BotW, apart from Genshin Impact?
trail wedge
lmao is it the "no way to prevent this?"
actually some of them were even spicier
rare mauve
quasi mantle
Well yes, how is that contradictory? What games look like BotW, apart from Gensh...
Basically every anime styled games?
rare mauve
This one takes the cake
still haven
I don't play those, not that familiar with them
Are those the personas people keep talking about?
trail wedge
This one takes the cake
trail wedge
graceful sequoia
my brain wants to go into "art direction is important" mode but this is just not the place for it. ::checks if 5.0.2 is ready::
oh no i launched it outside of rider in my excitement, the hot reload gods are coming for me
quasi mantle
Are those the personas people keep talking about?
I'm thinking about Scarlet Nexus, Tales of Arise, but eh
And I don't like Persona 5 because of turn based combat
trail wedge
<@325418782514216970> <#221799439008923648> memes like hot reload, oh the take o...
Hot Reload is dead long live Live Coding
graceful sequoia
hot reload is undead
graceful sequoia
https://tenor.com/view/castlevania-soma-gif-22562413
unless you mean they actually removed it
in which case, halle-f**ing lujah
trail wedge
unless you mean they _actually removed it_
yeh in UE5 there is no Hot Reload
graceful sequoia
well good, last i had heard it seemed like epic was just doubling/tripling/quadrupling down
vestal violet
We still have it's cousin; Live Coding
graceful sequoia
nothing wrong with live coding kinda
trail wedge
well good, last i had heard it seemed like epic was just doubling/tripling/quadr...
nah it's been gone since the earliest preview
graceful sequoia
at least nothing wrong in the blueprint corruption side of things
i still have used none of it during my time with UE5 so far
trail wedge
LC is still garbo for lazy people, but at least it doesn't break things like HR
graceful sequoia
its not that bad to just drop and restart the editor assuming you've got good storage and CPU underneath it
vestal violet
Depends on the project really
trail wedge
graceful sequoia
probably depends on the map you are loading in the editor more than anythign else
trail wedge
probably depends on the map you are loading in the editor more than anythign els...
this is why you make test maps for stuff you're working on instead of loading everything
graceful sequoia
yeah
vestal violet
this is why you make test maps for stuff you're working on instead of loading ev...
Ah yes, test_map_004951, I remember what this one does
quasi mantle
'muricans and their guns
graceful sequoia
if you are loading your worldpartition world each time then you probably arent making major changes to the c++
trail wedge
Ah yes, `test_map_004951`, I remember what this one does
maybe focus on one thing at a time and you'll only need 1 test map?
vestal violet
maybe focus on one thing at a time and you'll only need 1 test map?
Heresy
zinc matrix
'muricans and their guns
"brooooo trust me if everyone has a gun everything will be safer"
quasi mantle
I mean, firearms makers gotta sell somehow, but the weird fetish with firearms is, ughhhhh
graceful sequoia
Ah yes, `test_map_004951`, I remember what this one does
naming is one of the hard problems of computer science.
although usually people go with something better than numbers.
zinc matrix
firearms have their place, just not everywhere
regal pecan
test_map_testtttt
quasi mantle
"brooooo trust me if everyone has a gun everything will be safer"
As if someone with slight mental derangement won't go trigger happy on innocent people
regal pecan
test_map_testtttt2
graceful sequoia
test_map_testtttt
test_map_testtttt_2_2022_a_new
quasi mantle
test_map_testtttt
de_testmap_final_notquitefinal
graceful sequoia
append only filesystem
zinc matrix
map_testt_4_final01
vestal violet
If you get into appending "final", you're within a dozen versions of complete
graceful sequoia
If you get into appending "final", you're within a dozen versions of complete
...of the first round of alphas
regal pecan
dm_hypervoluminant_final_v3(testtttt_2_2022b)
trail wedge
do you guys not have source control? you don't need to make a new copy of the map each time....
regal pecan
looks at git
quasi mantle
You really have to have full sanity to get control on firearms, otherwise mass shootings will keep happening
quasi mantle
do you guys not have source control? you don't need to make a new copy of the ma...
No, just like that one guy in #ue5-general
graceful sequoia
To be clear, you definitely don't need source control to practice sane naming and organizational standards
But it does help
zinc matrix
Like I said earlier, I don't know why gun-defending yanks pick on us as being a police state where you can't do anything when japan is just as strict
regal pecan
Also: I remember in UT (and other FPSs of the day) having compatibility issues with maps of the same name, where you'd have to delete/move your local version of the map because the server had a different map with the same name.
trail wedge
Like I said earlier, I don't know why gun-defending yanks pick on us as being a ...
who's defending guns here?
zinc matrix
who's defending guns here?
*from elsewhere
graceful sequoia
Also: I remember in UT (and other FPSs of the day) having compatibility issues w...
Oh on this topic--- just today I realized that in my UE5 PIE sessions, I cannot use LoadLevel on maps that are... not... in the packaged asset manager categories? (as opposed to UE4)
i have to be wrong about this
trail wedge
Like I said earlier, I don't know why gun-defending yanks pick on us as being a ...
don't worry the rest of us Americans hate them too they're just very noisy
quasi mantle
Like I said earlier, I don't know why gun-defending yanks pick on us as being a ...
I think Japan is way more strict when it comes to firearm possession, even airsofts (IIRC)
quasi mantle
don't worry the rest of us Americans hate them too they're just very noisy
Way noisier than drums
zinc matrix
Yeah, I view the world assuming the stupid ideas tend to be the loud ones
quasi mantle
Hitting drums are noisy but it won't kill anyone
regal pecan
The noisy non-stupid ideas become accepted.
trail wedge
Way noisier than drums
They're kinda stupid too so don't tell them about drums or they'll make more noise
quasi mantle
They're kinda stupid too so don't tell them about drums or they'll make more noi...
Well, I'm somewhat a drummer, so...
graceful sequoia
Well, I'm somewhat a drummer, so...
hi! i am also a drummer (rock drum kit etc)
trail wedge
Well, I'm somewhat a drummer, so...
well tell them you're a magician they can't tell the difference and they're scared of witchcraft
smoky narwhal
Does anyone know what happened to Devaddict? I bought his tutorials on teachable but they are now all gone. ๐ฉ
graceful sequoia
No idea, but why would you get the impression that courses you buy online are going to always be available for future reference?
trail wedge
paying for tutorials is so weird to me
graceful sequoia
aye
regal pecan
Paying for tutorials would make sense in a world where the tutorials are worth paying for.
zinc matrix
give me a book
trail wedge
Paying for tutorials would make sense in a world where the tutorials are worth p...
sure but in that world I can probably blink and have all my wishes granted since magic is clearly real there
graceful sequoia
sure but in that world I can probably blink and have all my wishes granted since...
there is magic, you just need the magic words
regal pecan
After following a tutorial on how to grant wishes by blinking.
trail wedge
there _is_ magic, you just need the magic words
oh god don't summon them
graceful sequoia
After following a tutorial on how to grant wishes by blinking.
seems like a good plot summary for a game, id say go for it
Gofundme + Steam Greenlight if its still a thing
regal pecan
there is magic but all the occult resourcese are just really bad youtube tutorials
quasi mantle
Does anyone know what happened to Devaddict? I bought his tutorials on teachable...
Well, again, the channel is under a complete meltdown
graceful sequoia
> there *is* magic but **all the occult resourcese are just really bad youtube t...
this is what's called the Digital Homicide Studios strategy
vestal violet
this is what's called the Digital Homicide Studios strategy
I can hear jim sterling groaning from here
smoky narwhal
Well, again, the channel is under a complete meltdown
Ahhh, thank you for the reply. Yeah what a bummer. I downloaded a bunch of the tuts but I missed a few.
graceful sequoia
There's so much available for free, if the learning center isn't enough, the thousands of free YouTube tutorials probably are
Lately I just read the engine code. Epics own docs can be woefully incorrect. if you can do that, it's definitely worth it
but that's a very programmer thing to say
smoky narwhal
I'm still in blueprint land. C++ is a long way off.
graceful sequoia
I'm still in blueprint land. C++ is a long way off.
yeah I've been there. Reading C++ for general logic is a far cry from writing it for your game. You might be surprised at what you can learn without feeling like you can "speak the language"
vestal violet
Maybe I'm an oddball, but seeing source makes more sense than wires, usually if I have questions like "what order do things happen in here"
graceful sequoia
My go-to example is the Animation Budget Allocator. The docs say its "enabled as soon as you enable the plugin": false. That the blueprint node for turning it on and off turns it on and off: Also false. Has a field called "Auto calculate significance" which means nothing more than "we will call your custom function per frame, and you do the calculation of significance" with no information around what you are expected to do.
Read the code for it though? It's really clear
Want to actually turn it on? Dig into scalability settings and activating cvars
They added it for Fortnite, its not a marketing perk to have it there, so the docs are pretty bad
Still trying to figure out all the crazy stuff that enables the water system heh
But it's nearly unusable without digging into it
smoky narwhal
Oh wow yeah that sounds insightful. Thank you. It's just a matter of getting familiar with the syntax enough to know what means what.
But generally I like that advice.
graceful sequoia
so does 5.0.2 kill the rtx 3000/win11 driver crashes? or do we need to wait for Nvidia to stop crapping itself
deep copper
nice!
graceful sequoia
Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION writing address 0x000008bb05800000
UnrealEditor_AudioFormatBink!UECompressBinkAudio() [C:\devel\projects\miles\src\support\binka_ue\binka_ue_encode.cpp:202]
well, that's new
and consistent. Throwing caution to the wind to load all cells of a large WP map to see how/whether D3D Lost errors occur in such a scenario
It's cooking Bink, so its going to be Cook on the Fly ๐
zinc matrix
@deep copper make #lounge weird in the quickest way possible
(sorry, I should stop saying this stuff)
deep copper
sorry i will pass , i have to behave now and fix my image !
zinc matrix
what image? I'm sure you're handsome
deep copper
not that kind of image :P
huh, I don't know of any other word for this ๐ค
zinc matrix
alright I suppose, eh, could be better maybe. How are you though?
graceful sequoia
๐ฆ Yep, 5.0.2 is entirely unusable for me, as it seems some audio component in part of my WP map causes that Bink crash. Guess I need to downgrade ๐ฆ no fixes for me ๐ฆ
deep copper
alright I suppose, eh, could be better maybe. How are you though?
you sound tired ๐ค
deep copper
alright I suppose, eh, could be better maybe. How are you though?
i am good enough! so far.
soft night
soft night
!8ball will there be Unreal engine console?
turbid spindleBOT
@soft night, :8ball: Very doubtful.
celest musk
even steam failed
