lounge

[verbal junco]

#lounge message

even the infinite game can have a finite "mastery of the buildup" phase

[timber viper]

But then you want to play that game infinitely

That's why horde modes etc. exist

A few times

DOOM Horde Mode was awesome

[verbal junco]

did you just... create an infinite loop

Everyone else is playing checkers and maybe chess, but I am playing 4D chess in hyperspace

• Lorash, probably

I know right, 11D manifold chess or bust

if your chess plays don't consider multiple universes, are you even trying??

[timber viper]

So its 5/10 now?

[verbal junco]

meanwhile our current champions get excited about these plays smh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evFyQh1u068

[quasi mantle]

https://youtu.be/kpk2tdsPh0A

[verbal junco]

also I watched the cinematic story for GG Strive yesterday and it was... surprisingly good? baiken is great in the role of oneesan

yoo watching the ending, RIP end boss

[timber viper]

It escalated quickly

[verbal junco]

I feel like you gotta give people a chance there

[timber viper]

I hated skulls even by watching

[verbal junco]

how skill based do you expect your game to be

because a lot of this comes down to gear and kiting skills and luck

but you could do more with actual training people to git gud too

[timber viper]

I feel like game doesn't look challenging

[verbal junco]

make it challenging

have skills be synergetic as well

I feel that was missing

GW1 springs to mind

(aka the only GW worth mentioning)

I thought it was 1500 years? welp

✏️ 🗒️

[timber viper]

I think most fun thing about the game is being on the move all the time and shooting things fluidly

I watched on YT

Today kid develops game haha

[verbal junco]

not just watching it on YT, but watching it at 2x speed on YT 😔

[timber viper]

It was a boring game tbh

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-appalled-whaaat-what-omg-gif-24254216

[timber viper]

They made Tesla vs Lovecraft after Crimsonland, it's quite better

Classic old people

That makes me think you dont love R1der because its a new tech compared to VS

Maybe you are just conservative

Will that even support UE? 🤔

[night grove]

So close to being the perfect game

🇵 erfection!

[verbal junco]

it's up there for sure

I spend years on the perfect build

[night grove]

There was always something I couldn't quite put my finger on that made it JUST off

I played a lot, but I never got in to the end game scene

[verbal junco]

I mean I liked the story and all

but pvp was where it was at

[night grove]

Maybe that's what I was missing. I never really got into PVP

[verbal junco]

fragility build pre nerf was so sick

BBsin is still one of the things I want to try and remake somehow, because that build was so sick

[night grove]

The build possibilities really made that game shine

Masterclass in skill synergies

[verbal junco]

yep absolutely

[night grove]

Somehow they managed to make the game more than "skill point clicker simulator 2k"

[verbal junco]

I had a point where I had some 80 consecutive RA wins

[night grove]

As in, it wasn't about grinding to the next level

The skills actually mattered

[verbal junco]

I did a hammer ranger build with apply poison, loved it

[night grove]

Too many RPGs are about grinding, then clicking the shiny button (without any thought of what it does)

[verbal junco]

true

GW1 hit that sweet spot. although the loot wasn't that interesting

[night grove]

After GW1 was so amazing, GW2 was really weird

[verbal junco]

yeah GW2 wasn't my game

[night grove]

Not just a different game, felt like an entirely different genre

[verbal junco]

I enjoyed it for a bit because they tried to take the RVR from DAOC (which is another game with awesome combat), but it fell flat after a while

[night grove]

I found a really funny bug from the GW2 beta

They gave placeholder credits during the beta. Which I used to buy a bunch of character slots

When the game went live, I got to keep the slots

(Was supposed to be a full account reset)

[verbal junco]

I hope you enjoyed that

[night grove]

Oh geese, I am an altoholic

I think I have somewhere around 12 or 15 character slots on GW2

[verbal junco]

I think I had 6 or something, never spent a dime

last I remember I had a pretty interesting necro build but it's been many years since I played that game last

[night grove]

GW2 could be amazing, they just don't give good feedback on the combat system

[verbal junco]

I don't think the combat system was good at all. it took too much from the WoW school, and WoW's combat is atrocious

they should have stuck it out with either the GW1 system or gone full DAOC

[night grove]

There isn't positive reinforcement for when you do their combos correctly, so most the world combat just devolved into a giant zerg with everyone spamming their AOE skills to try and get credit

There was this whole field thing that was clearly designed to have players combo off each other's abilities

[verbal junco]

and really, the warhammer online MMO suffered from the same

[night grove]

For example, shooting a projectile through a fire wall would turn it into a fire projectile

[verbal junco]

especially for being tauted as the sequel for DAOC 😔

[night grove]

Using a leap into the fire would give you some kind of courage like buff.

But it was really really difficult to notice any effect from it all

[verbal junco]

yeah but none of that is interesting if the fundamental system just doesn't work

[night grove]

Exactly. The idea was great, execution was very poor.

[verbal junco]

and in the case of GW2 it just didn't

[night grove]

I like that they tried to do away with the holy trinity

But I think they were more successful in that regards with GW1

[verbal junco]

there wasn't ever a holy trinity to begin with

that whole shtick was started by wow because wow's combat was atrocious, but if they didn't use the wow system they wouldn't have to care about it

[night grove]

In a (game) world where everyone stands around hitting each other, the holy trinity is inevitable.

The problem most RPGs have, is the bosses are just giant bullet sponges

The challenge typically boils down to a DPS race

Where there may be a "mini-game" that augments your DPS output.

[verbal junco]

I don't think so, that only happens if you have a wall of health that constantly deals damage too much to handle for the weakest player

which reduces the strategic complexity of teh game down to "have a dude tank while everyone else goes ham"

[night grove]

Yeah that's what I just said

[verbal junco]

right but it's not inevitable

it's just bad design

or I should say, it's design that requires the least thought

[night grove]

What alternatives to the design do you like?

[verbal junco]

you'd have to add more constraints

maybe even as a caster or someone with robed armor you still have some way of "tanking"

[night grove]

I've always liked the concept of evasion tanking

[verbal junco]

or maybe aggro is impossible to maintain at all, meaning you'd have to understand spacing and distance more

[night grove]

Where positioning is more important than soaking up damage while your healer pours crap on you

[night grove]

This is what made the GW2 dungeons not work

[verbal junco]

maybe implement a footsie approach where you know a certain move has been done so now is the time to counter that move

[night grove]

The bosses felt like they just bounced around randomly

[verbal junco]

maybe there are ways to interrupt attacks before they happen

[night grove]

This is a neat idea

[verbal junco]

I mean all of them are "neat" if implemented well

I like the approach of fighting games in general

[night grove]

I like it because it makes "tanking" more proactive

[verbal junco]

those games nail down what works

[night grove]

You can have the disabler that is all about shutting down the boss

[verbal junco]

in an ideal situation, I'd love to have one extreme being a caster who can solo a boss without ever being hit

but if they get hit they die for instance

and then you can optimize so it's really difficult to do this

[night grove]

I agree that WoW's combat system was trash

However, there was an ice mage build that was super fun

It ended up getting nerfed to the ground

[verbal junco]

I don't think there's much to argue there, it's what you get when every attack is just a random hitbox in teh general vicinity of the attack

[night grove]

But essentially you could solo an infinite number of monsters

[verbal junco]

do you remember 55 monks from GW1?

now THAT was a sick build

[night grove]

Yeah I do

I loved that build

[verbal junco]

like the ingenuity of that build

that's the kind of shit I would love to see in MMOs

[night grove]

Strangely when players use that ingenuity, it typically gets patched out as an "exploit" / "bug" rather than embraced by the designers

[verbal junco]

I mean that's common, because very few designers lean into constraints

[night grove]

If RPGs weren't so content heavy, I would be all about making one that the entire point is it is too difficult unless you do stuff like 55 build

[verbal junco]

because they are afraid of the consequences of them, rather than trying to understand what their limits are

I see it all the time, even in the people I manage

I want to say it's something that comes with experience, but at this point I'm not sure it comes at all

[night grove]

I think it comes down to passion for design

And willingness to take risk

[verbal junco]

there seems a prevailing notice on the side of designers to just "block off" players from doing things that are fun if they are deemed to exploitative

[night grove]

Because the design may not pan out

It's much easier to copy paste what worked in the last game

You need a big budget to make good RPGs, and that means the company is less likely to take risks

[verbal junco]

I don't think risk has any real place in this. you can account for every case out there. in most cases it doesn't cost much either. it's more of the thought process being "oops well that wasn't intended, let's stop it" instead of saying "okay it wasn't intended... but it was interesting"

[verbal junco]

it doesn't happen only to RPGs, it happens to all games. and really, RPGs or not, you can still make it happen

[night grove]

Maybe it's a mindset of "That's not the story I was trying to tell! I need to squash it!"

[verbal junco]

yeah I definitely think it has something to do with ownership

"I didn't make that therefore it can't possibly be cool"

[mossy nexus]

How dare they have fun in a way I didn't intend

[verbal junco]

but yeah I think it's a general problem that happens in the industry. or at least it has been from what I have seen. I'm actively trying to put a stop to it, but one person can only ever do so much

to be fair though it's also easier for me to say as a LD because most of the things I have to think of are one off elements that aren't necessarily predicated on some systemic element

[night grove]

There are very few people that can think systemicly

I prefer conceptually pure systems myself

But so many people I've worked with (even other programmers) fail to see when requirements are contradictory

This contributes to the mindset of "That wasn't supposed to happen, we need to make that not happen"

Rather than "oh cool, I didn't realize the system could come together like that"

[verbal junco]

there was a pretty interesting article perhaps a decade ago on why cats were dying in dwarf fortress that's a good example of this

[night grove]

I don't remember that one. I'll have to look it up

[deep glen]

haha

[night grove]

Dwarf fortress is awesome

[verbal junco]

for a long time it was thought of as a bug

[deep glen]

that was a good one

[night grove]

I love giant simulation systems like that

[verbal junco]

but actually looking at the series of consequences leading up to it it made perfect sense

[night grove]

I wish there was more focus on emergent gameplay

[deep glen]

cats where --iirc-- eating the vomit of drunken dwarfs, got too drunk, cat died.

[night grove]

As a concept, I haven't heard anyone really talk about it in a few years

[verbal junco]

yeah exactly

[deep glen]

https://www.pcgamer.com/how-cats-get-drunk-in-dwarf-fortress-and-why-its-creators-havent-figured-out-time-travel-yet/

[verbal junco]

well no, new members in the industry will likely never have heard of dwarf fortress

but in many ways it's the definitive example of systemic game design

I remember reading another article about the creator adding a new AI type called hippos, and then when he let them loose he remarked on how hippos, due to their behavior, came to love sewers

which IMO is brilliant

[night grove]

That is awesome!

[verbal junco]

perhaps a good wording for this would be "design tunnel vision". I think there is a strong incentive in general for designers to have a single linear solution to a problem, rather than assuming that there a multiple ways of resolving the same problem

[night grove]

Yeah that is a good term for it

[static plover]

Dwarf fotress?

[verbal junco]

yes it was for dwarf fortress

[static plover]

I tried watching that game few times long ago. Pretty confusing

[night grove]

A wild Lorash appears!

[static plover]

^reminds me turn based game is still fun

[verbal junco]

are turn based games still fun?

[night grove]

You missed the setup I had for you: #lounge message

[verbal junco]

lmao these typos are next level

[night grove]

Oh yeah. That was sad

[verbal junco]

loved the nightfall campaign

you'll never convince me that riding sandworms isn't going to be fun

I'm talking to you, future DUNE designer

well yes I'm not sure it's released yet

[night grove]

Paragons always struck me as weaker warriors

[verbal junco]

I liked the concept of paragons

more than I did dervishes anyway

[night grove]

Didn't they start making some of the GW1 stuff account wide?

[verbal junco]

do you remember the djinns that would 1 hit you in one of the missions? TPK in like 5 seconds

[night grove]

Maybe it was something about recruiting your other characters as heroes or something

[verbal junco]

cant even remember if you had hit lvl 20 at that point

dasha vestibule I believe it was?

the name etched into my mind with scars

it was

never really liked eotn all that much

but I guess it was a nice link between that and GW2 in terms of story

[night grove]

eotn threw balance all off

[verbal junco]

also hi gwen

[night grove]

It had too many abilities that became cornerstone

[verbal junco]

which was kind of a nice callback I guess

[night grove]

That any class could use

But were thematically off for each class

Wasn't there a GW2 expansion recently?

[verbal junco]

pretty sure there's been a few

one for each dragon

[night grove]

I mean released within the past couple months

As in, a purchased expansion. Not one of their mini update things

[verbal junco]

I haven't played since right before the plant dragon expansion

oh this is GW1

nevermind

okay but have you ever won the hall of heroes using IWAY?

because that ish is hilarious

not a glorious boss fight by any stretch of the imagination though

pretty much

but your party is full of wammos with IWAY

[night grove]

Wasn't IWAY used in a lot of the runner builds?

[verbal junco]

yep

it was way OP

pretty sure they nerfed it at some point

ah sorry, people went W/R because pets counted towards ally count

[night grove]

Memser was conceptually awesome for GW2, but it always felt artificially nerfed

With how the phantasms disappeared when their target died.

[verbal junco]

definitely some cool elements

[night grove]

You could summon minions that essentially wielded machine guns (mechanically, not thematically), but they would all go "poof" when their target died.

And the build up to summon a full set took several minutes

[verbal junco]

hmm

[night grove]

At least it felt like several minutes

[verbal junco]

maybe I need to investigate this a little

I used to love theurgists back in DAOC because they had fire and forget pets

which were absolutely insane

[night grove]

It was a memser pistol ability

Had the most satisfying sound and visual effects

The mesmer greatsword minions were great too

They did really good AOE damage IIRC

But they also had the same problem, where they would die when their primary target died

Which didn't make any sense because they were damaging everything on the battlefield

[verbal junco]

I love me some good illusion magic in games tbh, underused school

[night grove]

The canon was that they existed only in the minds of your target

But then you were limited to 3 minions TOTAL, not 3 minions per target

[night grove]

Totally

Such a fun way to play games

Generally the school is either pointless or ridiculously overpowered

[verbal junco]

take illusion magic, combine it with the concept of a mixup in fighting games, deploy into an RPG

[night grove]

I haven't really seen a middle ground with mind magic.

[verbal junco]

fun ensues

as in, did naruto say that, or is naruto the game where that happens

[night grove]

See also Aizen from Bleach

[verbal junco]

also as a general thing, I would encourage that if you're working on a combat system, take a look at fighting games

[night grove]

Good times.... ?

?

Is it really the last season though?

I liked the first 20 or 30 episodes of Bleach

After that, it just became silly and confusing with all the filler

I think I gave up around episode 200? Maybe it was 100?

And movies!

Don't forget the filler movies!

Let me see if I can find the name of the one I'm thinking of

[verbal junco]

what's the point of watching all of that if it's all filler

😔

[night grove]

There was one movie where the weapons come alive as vampire things or smth

[verbal junco]

does not compute

[zinc matrix]

all killer no filler!

[night grove]

Bleach: Memories of Nobody

[verbal junco]

I mean I know nothing of bleach you can technically tell me anything and I'd believe you

[night grove]

IIRC all the swords come alive and go on strike or something

[verbal junco]

oh well

[night grove]

Was crazy, and was all filler

Terrible filler

[verbal junco]

I think I prefer series where I don't have to skip half the content from the word go

is slice of life technically all filler?

[night grove]

My life is just filler

[verbal junco]

same, but it hits too close to home to admit

but some of us are npcs in dark souls apparently 🤔

[timber viper]

Who is the ♪ashen one♫

[verbal junco]

That feeling when
Bear...
Seek...
Seek...
Lest...
Finally turns into
Bear...
Until...
truly a beautiful quote 🥲

what to which part

[night grove]

I'm totally the PC

My subconscious is just the player's knowledge leaking into me somehow

But I'm still just a simulated character

[timber viper]

i.e. AI?

[night grove]

Ever feel like your subconscious tells you things you really shouldn't know?

[timber viper]

No

[verbal junco]

it's what the maiden from DS2 says. for the first 80% of the game it's the upper part, for the remainder it's the lower part. people don't read the dialogue, but it still has an impact even when people don't read it

[night grove]

That's proof you are a simulated entity with "outsider" knowledge about the simulation

[night grove]

Proof you are an NPC XD

Simulation theory is so fun

[timber viper]

I'm made with state machines, I'm confusing and buggy

[night grove]

Yes they are

But once you get past them, the game is great

[verbal junco]

well if you ever get over the threshold, controls or not, you'll find a new world waiting. but I guess some people need truck kun to enter an isekai

[night grove]

The root of the control problems is that it is all root motion animations!

[timber viper]

Try Mortal Shell

DS but not weird controls

With some shell mechanic that prevents from getting damage

[verbal junco]

I think I was facing the same problem when I first played DS that the controls sucked

and I did the same thing

it was only years later that I came back to it

and even then, I only enjoyed 1 and 3

it took me another few years to appreciate 2

[night grove]

DS 2 is very different than 1 or 3, but I think I prefer it

Only with the scholar expansion

[deep copper]

so this is how species are made huh, both lorash branched off earlier and now this lorash looks nothing like that one

[verbal junco]

it has the best town for sure, with the best town theme

[night grove]

Or w/e that final expansion was called.

[deep copper]

@emily who

[verbal junco]

yeah that's the one I played

DS2 DLC was godlike though

[night grove]

Young Earth Creationism?

[verbal junco]

sunken city and eleum loyce are awesome

[night grove]

THe DInoSAUrs ArE MAdE Up BY aethEISts

[verbal junco]

even if sunken city made me tear my hair out

[night grove]

At one time my religion taught the Earth was made up from other planets, and that the dinosaur bones came from before those other planets were broken up to make Earth.

[verbal junco]

is that LDS

[night grove]

Yeah

[verbal junco]

because it sounds like LDS

[night grove]

I used to be DEEP into LDS theology

[verbal junco]

well with what their narrative is you could have thought it was a mispelling of LSD

[deep copper]

they only have 277 messages and that too last year's December, you are quite a devout follower it seems 🤔 i envy them

[night grove]

Not far off tbh

[verbal junco]

I know right

[night grove]

There is some evidence the founder drugged his members

[verbal junco]

I haven't seen her around for a while though

where are your god tier questions @zinc matrix

[mossy nexus]

That's a statement, not a question though... 😄

[deep copper]

you can also make that a question ,"that was a question now, right?"

[verbal junco]

lol? lol

[deep copper]

because questions are the fundamentals of your cult it seems 🤔

[timber viper]

#cpp message

[deep copper]

is that the book for emily origins?

you mean, "could be, why?"

[night grove]

That is very confusing

[deep copper]

you mean "maybe this?"

[night grove]

What precisely is being asked?

[deep copper]

i don't speak cpp so it's all unsupported characters to me

"was she warming up or something i wonder? lol"

is lol another characteristic?

[night grove]

Maybe I should upgrade my avatar

[deep copper]

out of 277, only 10 messages have lol

[verbal junco]

when I think about it ending sentences with the "lol" copula is kind of like the british end sentences with the "x" copula

[deep copper]

ah, right

no no, i meant emily xD

[timber viper]

Clan of red pandas

[verbal junco]

with the taxonomical name Lorash Lorash

[short grove]

lorash gave up on channeling their inner Emily

[deep copper]

i thought you were , perhaps, replicating their speech and name because you were longing for their text based convos 🤔

[verbal junco]

I wonder what their stance is on weebs

[timber viper]

It's enough negative to complain when I mention of animes on #cpp

He also hates C++ though

[deep copper]

677 / 150,714 Lol for real lorash

[short grove]

only 677 out of 150k messages?

[timber viper]

Less laughs but more answers to cpp community

[deep copper]

then do it in BP or coroutines

[timber viper]

While C# exists? lol

I'm preventing myself from missing it by not using it

[deep copper]

ah, lorash is no longer emily

uh

[verbal junco]

🅱️erse will solve all these issues

[deep copper]

i forgot the previous name

flower lorash

for what ?!? hey thief! pay me something! ❤️

i don't even know what that is !

i-i ccan dm you?!!

chance lost 😔 , should have followed the "ask for forgiveness instead of permission" principal

[timber viper]

It's a trap to admit you are not satisfied with ♪coroutines♫, dont fall for it

[deep copper]

i wish i could see more <3

i probably didn't mean in that way, not my fault you are thinking something creepy

[timber viper]

Should we leave?

😂

[deep copper]

looks like intax has replenished the qouta

[verbal junco]

not "We" as in royal We? disappointing

[timber viper]

Not everyone is a game dev emperor like you

And somehow you get triggered when I call you "it"

[verbal junco]

I mean...

that is disrespectful

[timber viper]

[deep copper]

you definitely don't look like one panda, probably one panda disguised as many things

[verbal junco]

honor your elders

[deep copper]

so they works

[verbal junco]

or else 🗡️

[deep copper]

"it" doesn't yes

[verbal junco]

actually made me lol irl, congrats

a lirl, if you will

that sounds like a trick question

[timber viper]

So others were fake?

[deep copper]

did someone want their gears checked? 🥰

jk i am off cya

[verbal junco]

I think the clue is in the emoji you made for me 😂

[timber viper]

It's

[deep copper]

it's coming off so definitely not fitting

i see i see !

[timber viper]

It wassomething like this

I converted it into to make it fit with CE's general mood*

[night grove]

Upgraded! Maybe?

[timber viper]

[verbal junco]

o hi @zinc matrix

[deep copper]

identity theft is a crime!

[night grove]

and thus begins the 🇵 rocess that lead to the banning of @night grove

[deep copper]

become PAChromatic

[night grove]

How would I put a 🇵 on my name? Is nitro required to add Emoji to the name?

[torpid star]

🅱️ike 🇵his

[night grove]

No questions!

Now I've done @zinc matrix 's work of tagging all my messages with a 🅿

[deep glen]

oh god, not 🅿️ his again.

wait, whut

[night grove]

#lounge has descended into madness.

I blame the cat

[verbal junco]

I come back from destroying my kitchen to a destroyed lounge

rip

[torpid star]

that's okay, we can rebuild lounge, make it stronger, even worse.

[verbal junco]

just like my kitchen then 😔

[night grove]

https://tenor.com/view/nothingtosee-disperse-casual-explosion-gif-4545906

[torpid star]

that's just division hidden behind a inverse!

you can't hide the truth from me! Say no to prop forum division or multiplication (1/divison)

Vote now! @zinc matrix

just be open minded bro

https://giphy.com/gifs/opinion-the-big-lebowski-well-thats-just-like-your-man-26BRrSvJUa0crqw4E

[zinc matrix]

I prefer to remain close minded to anti freedom

[torpid star]

Not a fan of having another Unreal forum, https://dev.epicgames.com/community/ is good enough. Why segment the Unreal user base?

stop #channel policing me

I'm offended

yummy

[zinc matrix]

Remain #offended

[timber viper]

It's all to prevent us from #loungeing at #cpp

[zinc matrix]

Im just chiming in. No clue abiut the topic at hand ll

L I l

Lol

Frick

[deep copper]

then #cpp at #lounge for protest

oh wait you already do

[zinc matrix]

The day goes by so slow when the youve worked for the last month and a half without a day off

I know not the meaning of "burn out"

[timber viper]

That's why you always have to visit #lounge and procrastinate in your work times

[verbal junco]

hey now I have had a day off today

[torpid star]

you had me at Seinfeld

[timber viper]

@verbal junco do you like chicken?

[pearl elk]

lounge is for programmers who have ascended beyond the confines of cpp 😛

[verbal junco]

it's not something I'd make myself generally, but I've eaten chicken before

once

[timber viper]

I was going to say try tantuni one day if you like the taste of it

[verbal junco]

looks interesting

[timber viper]

There is actually non-chicken version of it too

[verbal junco]

although I want to say when they cook it it just looks like mincemeat

Tantuni is a spicy dish consisting of julienne cut beef or sometimes lamb stir-fried on a sac with a hint of cotton oil

very specifically julienne cut

it's not a guarantee I can find that here tbh

[timber viper]

It's not something very niche

Common half as kebab

[verbal junco]

outside of turkey it might be 😂

I know right, caught me off guard

[timber viper]

There are at least 3 tantuni restourant at every major city in Europe

[verbal junco]

although I just ate so I can't really think of food😣

[timber viper]

[verbal junco]

that's a bold claim

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-these-are-not-the-droids-star-wars-jedi-mind-trick-gif-23067514

[timber viper]

Ikr

#cpp message

No

[verbal junco]

#lounge message

[timber viper]

"I cant imagine how tech will evolve and people are going to communicate in 21th century"
21th centurian people:

[verbal junco]

#lounge message

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-the-plays-mind-blowing-200iq-brain-gif-16451975

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/brains-mind-space-apocalypse-alien-gif-7840126

[deep copper]

what in the world did i come back to 😨

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-bart-simpson-join-us-sit-here-gif-15631014

[verbal junco]

I love that meme

[timber viper]

It's a nice meme

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-we-would-be-honoured-if-you-would-join-us-cloud-city-gif-18801610

[timber viper]

Pooer kid?

Ok boomer

lmao

(hi battletoad )

[pearl elk]

spaghetti tastes better the second time around

theres extra carrots

[timber viper]

Unless its a #blueprint

[deep glen]

wtf

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-shader-confused-unreal4-unreal-engine-gif-15378565

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/rocco-botte-rocco-botte-hacker-hack-gif-14810330

https://tenor.com/view/woman-of-culture-gif-20099443

[timber viper]

What is unacto

United Nations Association in Canada Toronto ...

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/4d3d3d3engaged-jazz-music-stops-jazz-stops-reaction-wtf-gif-13574415

[pearl elk]

why do cows have hooves?

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-hungry-pasta-computer-gif-13499398

[pearl elk]

because they lactose

[timber viper]

I did

Oh it's the illuminati thing

[pearl elk]

dayoose eeehcks

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/what-a-shame-rotten-thing-to-post-jc-denton-deus-ex-gif-25178975

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/jc-denton-deus-ex-gif-22280125

[pearl elk]

wonder which character the new one will focus on

[deep copper]

is that Terminator

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-jensen-deus-ex-dance-deus-ex-human-revolution-jensen-gif-22569937

[verbal junco]

join the not so exclusive club

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/deus-ex-deus-ex-meme-strike-gif-14817271

[regal pecan]

But do phones have drive letters?

[verbal junco]

soon they won't know what drives are

[pearl elk]

you can format your primary drive to be A if you wanted

[timber viper]

It starts with C on me since forever?

[foggy path]

A and B were floppy drives I think so that's why the first hard drive is C usually

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/glitch-game-design-animation-max-gif-20458466

[pearl elk]

poor Max Paynes been through the blender

[deep copper]

i asked and forgot the answer

[pearl elk]

if you really want to blow their minds tell them you used to play games of a cassette tape

[foggy path]

C is the drive because it allows you to see your files. Duh.

This is what I'm going to tell everyone who asks

[pearl elk]

surely by now we should be able to use unicode characters for drive lettering 😛

[primal summit]

10.0/100 would pull the trigger

[foggy path]

MAX_PATH just needs a regedit change to lift on recent windows versions

Not sure why they don't enable it by default

Must be some backwards compatibility skeletons

Yep :P

[verbal junco]

I mean a lot of stuff makes me feel old already, it's just another thing on the pile

every day 😔

[pearl elk]

I just wish my m.2s looked like little m.2s instead of these chonky mechanical drives

[verbal junco]

I might have to have an old pensive emoji at some point

[deep copper]

hey, you guys aren't old, it's just the tech that updates quickly!

[pearl elk]

such chonk

theres only 1 mechanical drive in the list, pick which one 😛

[deep copper]

the one with M because mechanical so mainportal!

portable*

[cursive crypt]

Like the names.

[pearl elk]

I shoulda made Unreal V the V drive, doh

[cursive crypt]

UE4 forgotten

How old is "New Volume"?

[pearl elk]

pretty old, its a small backup ssd from ancient times

newest drive is Unreal V and the 2TB are almost full 😦

[deep copper]

ue5, now 5 times as big

[cursive crypt]

You gotta install "Clean up PC Pro" version

[pearl elk]

lol shovelware, that'll help me dig myself out of all this data

[deep copper]

the trick to cleaning up is getting more junk

[verbal junco]

blasphemy 👀

[cursive crypt]

These floppy drives, getting modern.

[pearl elk]

should be Old AF drive 😛

[deep copper]

was it worth getting?

[cursive crypt]

In the 90s?

[verbal junco]

I spent about a day finding one without any external drives 😎

dare I ask why

aha... smart

https://tenor.com/view/genius-think-be-clever-be-smart-gif-10617231

[deep copper]

i can vouch for you

i shall vouch for thee

[pearl elk]

I shall couch for free

I do hope all these selloffs mean we get some old IPs come back

possible but MS owns iD, Arkane, MachineGames, 343, Coalition, Raven, Infinity Ward, Sledgehammer, Treyarch....

surely they can make one good shooter

Yeah but thats just Halo having holes poked in it cuz its not the 00s anymore

I thought Gears 5 was pretty damn good tbh

puts on a motorbike helmet and tries to look cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gESYyh_tsGA

if only the game was as good as the TV series

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-burn-flame-gif-5042503

I shit you not though the series is getting good and I love that chief is huge

they musta picked all small actors to go along side him to make him look bigger

[white oxide]

cat

[zinc matrix]

hollywood actors are always tiny

short in stature

[deep glen]

best cat

[pearl elk]

well the guy who plays chief when he's in armour he's a good foot taller than most of the cast

[soft night]

there was a moment on weekend halo stream about Lux Voluspa

[deep copper]

not as much as you

[pearl elk]

people complaining about the brute like they know Halo then dont realised its before they became the banished and that its probably Atriox

[soft night]

it is Atriox

[pearl elk]

see I didnt play Halo properly until more recently so I actually played Reach first as thats how its setup in the MCC

its going to make the setup for Cortana so much better in the show

[soft night]

what happen on halo kansas city HCS stream https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/04/28/what-is-halo-infinites-lux-voluspa-season-2-mystery-teaser-about/?sh=109024bacd6c

[white oxide]

cuddle muff

[median wraith]

that gif is mine, how you dare sir

[pearl elk]

Anyone doing cool things with UE5?

[white oxide]

or simple camera angles, think LOTR and The Hobbit

[pearl elk]

says here the actor is 6'5, so could add acouple of inches for the platforms he wears in armour

Id say most the other cast would be around 5'9

I like how they gave him military weapons training too not like swat training

less gun fu more badass marine feel to the movement

[astral sun]

yo

anyone around to give me a lil hand?

im stuck with arrays

im tryna make a basic target practice range system

[timber viper]

There are dedicated channels for programming that you can get better help like #blueprint or #cpp
Also: https://dontasktoask.com/

[verbal junco]

sorry my hands are too big

[timber viper]

Bigger than Xero's?

[verbal junco]

WHAT no I'm not a half alien

[timber viper]

😂

%100 alien then?

[primal summit]

Mine are attached, and I'm not allowed in the morgue anymore.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-little-hand-tiny-gif-14171357

[verbal junco]

obviously

https://tenor.com/view/genius-think-be-clever-be-smart-gif-10617231

[primal summit]

100%

[timber viper]

Like 15$?

[primal summit]

'tis a big number

[verbal junco]

100.00

[verbal junco]

so long since I've seen this represented, damn floats only giving me 99.994959

[timber viper]

It's not my fault in Turkey what I'm writing is actually correct

[verbal junco]

then why don't they 😩

[fleet tangle]

400.04 / 100.01 probably wouldn't be exactly 4.0 for instance

If they're both integers and the divisor is a factor of the numerator, you're probably on to a safe bet.

[verbal junco]

thanks Borsch, I'll keep it in mind

[soft night]

so Twitch Desktop app is in this state now

[primal summit]

this is exactly why I hate floating point...

[pearl elk]

I use 128bit ints for everything

[primal summit]

I had one software system where I could start at 62.5 and subtract 6.25 ten times and get 0.0017348e-17

or something similarly stupid

worse, it rounded everything to 2 decimal places

[primal summit]

yeah, it was a crappy custom fixed point implementation

[echo stag]

why are people on the voice channel live streaming Zbrush this isnt a Z brush server

[deep glen]

its part of game development. at some point he'll go trough the whole process of converting it to a game-ready asset.

there are many dcc-apps needed to make a game.

[verbal junco]

it's an unreal server so nobody can use visual studio, rip coders 😔

[timber viper]

Sometimes here is a meme server more than an unreal server

[thick belfry]

Probably because sculpting a model would be difficult in unreal

When I'm livestreaming most of it is looking at and writing documentation lol

And I do that in onenote not unreal

[verbal junco]

no memes allowed, only unreal

[timber viper]

This is also a good meme

I liked it

[unreal cedar]

good thing there's the new code editor plugin
time to get to work building a game with zero autocomplete

[quasi mantle]

Inb4 Rider

[quasi mantle]

That's the only thing you learned by being poor

Us poor men developed better survival skills in wildlife

[scarlet cedar]

So I'm 100% sure the network card in my server is toast. Restarting it worked for about 12 hours, now I can't even ping the gateway.

[fleet tangle]

Have you tried power cycling all your network gear?

I had a similar issue and it was fixed by turning a network hub/router off and on.

[scarlet cedar]

Yep, only 2 devices in the chain (server and gateway)

These pictures are taken from the server itself since I can't ssh into it. I thought the router might have had some weird stuff with the dhcp allocations since I swapped the network port on the server to one which does not have a static ip but no dice. What's weird is that the out of band management also does not work

[fleet tangle]

Do you have anything else to plug it into?

Have you tried changing the cable?

[scarlet cedar]

Not yet, I'm probably going to do that last since it means running another cable through the wall/roof. I might try plugging my chromecast in and seeing what the go is but it will have to wait since I'm not home for another 9 hours

[slow imp]

try netsh winsock reset

[fleet tangle]

That'll work on *nix? 🙂

[slow imp]

ahh no

network cards failing are so low

[fleet tangle]

Let's hope it's a network card and not all the ports on a motherboard failing!

[scarlet cedar]

It was a second hand card so 🤷

[zinc matrix]

yo yo

anyone here

[quasi mantle]

no

[zinc matrix]

i havea pretty good idea

i thik

but

i want to know what tempalte to use for a mobile game, with one 1 button and an external webpage load

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-wasted-fomo-yeah-gif-15155881

https://tenor.com/view/alicia-keys-no-one-gif-11087924

[echo stag]

@thick belfry unreal isnt a scultpint tool

[quasi mantle]

||Don't tell him there is a modelling tool in UE5, with possible sculpting||

[quasi mantle]

Basically every webapp?

[scarlet cedar]

No no you don't understand this is better

[zinc matrix]

guys anyone know python? How do I make it leave?

[pearl elk]

tap it on the head, look into its eyes and ask it to leave politely

I kid, please dont do that 😛

[quasi mantle]

Make it move to its own body, it'll die.

[cursive crypt]

Type :q

[primal summit]

import export_snek

[fluid bloom]

did you install it via pip, apt, manually?

is it 2.7 or 3?

[left granite]

cut its head
and throw it down the sever

[dark sequoia]

🐍 ssss

[thorn snow]

Hi ! I’m trying to send a question on the cpp, but a bot tells me i can’t

So I’m wondering if I’ve been blocked, even though I haven’t posted anything yet

[cursive crypt]

#cpp being gatekeepers, I knew it

[cursive crypt]

Any issues with the server you have, you may use the #server-feedback channel

I'm not sure whether there is not some entry process for newcomers nowadays 🤔

[dark sequoia]

i didnt know one could even be locked out of a specific channel here... interesting

[thorn snow]

I think they just allowed me in ! I was able to ask my question, do you think that I should post it on multiple servers ?

[dark sequoia]

if you happen to come across servers that could help, then definitely

always good to get help/opinions from as many sources as possible, when having issues with stuff

[thorn snow]

Actually I think I had been blocked everywhere except for the voice chat and lounge 🤔

[dark sequoia]

hopefully it wasnt due to a reason, haha

[thorn snow]

Well I wouldn’t know why, I just joined like 20 minutes ago and was only trying to send my question (politely of course) hahah

[dark sequoia]

you could try just DMing one of the moderators, imo

could potentially be a mistake of some sort

[thorn snow]

I tried and it wasn’t working !

[dark sequoia]

hmm, I see..

[thorn snow]

But now I think it’s working fine thank you 😉

[dark sequoia]

are you on mobile by any chance?

in my experience (and many of my friends) mobile version of Discord tends to have quite a few problems

either way, glad to help

[thorn snow]

Yes I am on mobile ! Because I’m at work trying to solve my problem, and it’s not allowing me to go on discord on the laptop, so I took my phone !

[dark sequoia]

ah I see

[thorn snow]

Oh by the way, since my problem is related to the integration of opencv in unreal engine, is there a server that’s more appropriate than #cpp ?

[dark sequoia]

not one I am aware of, sorry

[thorn snow]

It’s ok thanks

[dark sequoia]

@quasi mantle might know, however! :p

[quasi mantle]

And I only use OpenCV as part of my in house decensoring tool, with general C++ and Imgui.

[dark sequoia]

https://gyazo.com/a238e9071b6eace156e60dd2f2ae6dfc

woof

wuts house decensoring

is that for houses that say vulgar things? 🙃

[quasi mantle]

in-house image decensoring tool (made in C++ because I don't like making standalone Python app) for my enjoyment.

[dark sequoia]

oh okay, heh

[quasi mantle]

In-house, as in self-made tool used by myself

Don't know if I ever going to open source it under BSD-3-Clear

[dark sequoia]

I guess the main thing is what "decensoring" means, in this context

[quasi mantle]

But yeah, I made such tool myself because why not. Can't pay others to do the dirty work, so I decided to do it myself.

I named it Degenerator

[dark sequoia]

but what does it do? D:

[quasi mantle]

For more info pls DM

[dark sequoia]

o

[cursive crypt]

decensoring tool
😏

[dark sequoia]

:3

[deep copper]

woof

[deep copper]

i hope by server you don't mean channels, #cpp is a channel, #lounge is a channel, and posting the same thing in multiple channel isn't allowed here, mods could potentially strike you for that.

servers are like, this is a server called "unreal slackers", unity also has it's own server, and posting once in different server should be okay since it doesn't necessarily have same people in it

[zinc matrix]

great suggestion thanks for the help

[quasi mantle]

I mean, one piracy app got through App Store screening because of web app disguise

[thick belfry]

Finding a place to live is such a hell

(in the country I live in at the moment)

[fleet tangle]

Ukraine?

[deep copper]

you can pretty much say any country and i would believe you

[thick belfry]

Netherlands

We have a 1 million house shortage and we only have 18 million people

[deep glen]

only? thats like 3-5m too many in this small country

[cursive crypt]

There are houses around. Just not enough money to buy one.

And I mean, the cheapest ones.

[fleet tangle]

Time to buy a tent.

[deep copper]

or make taller buildings/dig underground for more storage in Height Axis !

[timber viper]

smol 32gb kitten

[deep glen]

smollest kitten is best kitten

[fleet tangle]

Aww.

I've just been playing with my cat. She got all tired and gave up chasing the fish-on-a-stick.

[deep copper]

how Adorable!

very giant door

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brother-alpha-small-big-big-dog-small-dog-gif-24285319

[deep copper]

look at their tails ! both seem to be having fun

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-dog-dog-small-small-dog-cute-dog-dog-cute-gif-21727463

[fleet tangle]

Just making me wonder if he always keeps his tiny dog trapped in his car like that.

Or whateve that thing is.

[tulip orbit]

yes, they probably exist. <- the post I replied to vanished. now I look a fool.

[deep copper]

i wonder if there's proper ventilation for it

[tulip orbit]

dogs need ventilation?

that explains... a lot...

[celest musk]

https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/item/ReefKit_screenshot06-1920x1080-cfc21dd0a81be79eb9b5e89a387725ed.png?resize=1&w=1920

probably the sadest asset overview i've seen so far 😄

[deep copper]

what is that ben

it does look sad though

[celest musk]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/reef-kit

[deep copper]

😢 hope it was a good overview atleast,

how are your bones ben?

[celest musk]

lets not talk about this

[deep copper]

😔

if you ever have something to talk about, you got me !

remember!!

[kind lily]

[deep copper]

[echo stag]

How come my character waled through a rock

and some assets are not compatible with 5.0

[deep copper]

#ue5-general

[echo stag]

thanks

anyone here a technical artist, material artist or lighting artisst?

[deep copper]

i think there are people like that but idk who

if you want a hug i am the right person tho

[echo stag]

no im just looking for what career path to take

[deep copper]

#career-chat

more pros go through that channel than #lounge , also your question won't get burried there with gifs and other casual talk

when it comes to career it's a scary world out there, very competitive. if you ask me, you should definitely take a hug with you to help during your hardships

[zinc matrix]

My gf brokeup with me :(

My bike got stoled ;(

And i lost my jobs :(

in all seriousness, poor ,dumb, lazy,and fat is no way to go through life, son

[broken sigil]

This one is easy to solve... by not having a GF in the first place
Totally not talking from experience

[unreal ether]

Now we're rotating 4d cubes

[broken sigil]

Lol Should take this line completely out of context 😅

I wouldn't know 🥲

I... don't want to describe how my brain interpreted that lol

👀

[fleet tangle]

That's so related to the anime I'm watching today, Hakata Tonkotsu Ramens.

[foggy path]

Oh hey look EGL is back to its old shenanigans!

I guess because it wasn't fully maxing a core

:P

[broken sigil]

It's fun on Ryzen CPUs when something is using a single core and the CPU decides to start boosting like a maniac with temps at 75C and the PC sounds like it is about to take off

[zinc matrix]

By gf I meant golf friend. I love golf. Appeals to my irish roots

Dunno why you wouldnt want a golf pal

Golf is love. Golf is life

[broken sigil]

By GF I meant Garage Fridge for those cold beers

Never had one so I wouldn't know but they seem pretty chill

[fleet tangle]

"pretty chill"

[broken sigil]

yeah I hate myself for that one too

[fleet tangle]

I feel you.

[broken sigil]

lol

[fleet tangle]

Well, no. Aircons need the heat conductor to be outside and the cold air trapped inside. If you somehow sealed the fridge into window and closed all your doors maybe.

Yeah, but they generally cool a small area while heating your house.

Same as freezers do.

A house aircon needs more!

So basically an actual aircon.

[primal summit]

air conditioner and fridge vary only in scale

[mossy nexus]

Fixed it:

air conditioner and fridge vary in scale

😄

[cursive crypt]

Presses Turbo

Work faster!

plug-unplug

[glacial patrol]

Hello I'm new. I had no idea there was such a big community around on discord. That's so awesome. 😋

[cursive crypt]

Hello new o/

[fleet tangle]

Thank you for instantiating all my objects, new.

[cursive crypt]

Maybe he does it manually? Ensures full control.

[fleet tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZvbCgnCJoA

[cursive crypt]

Grass effect 🤘

Weird locale

[glacial patrol]

🤣 🤣 My name is new.. new guilty. 😎

Is this heaven or should I try the stairs?

[cursive crypt]

Is that a pickup line?

[glacial patrol]

Maybe

[cursive crypt]

Meh, I love computers only.

[fleet tangle]

I have this bookmarked for this exact kind of situation.

It's served me well.

[open fog]

Is there a point to server boosting a server with max boost rewards

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/assuming-direct-control-mass-effect-gif-18465258

[echo stag]

I want to make a Gundam Fighting game

What you think will be cool 1st person or VR inside the GUndam suit

[primal summit]

why not both?

with crossplay

[zinc matrix]

Do all the thinhs

That aqkward moment when you realize youre building a simulation instead of a game and need to baxkpedal

[fathom wadi]

the simulation IS the game. #life-moments

[echo stag]

@primal summit both would be good. I see how passionate people are about race cars and building it i want that same passion for Gundams

I want battle areans, space battles and broadcaster option to see the view of the fight

[quasi mantle]

Both would be nice, but don't half-ass the former.

Not everyone can stomach VR.

[echo stag]

the problem for vr for me is motion sickness and i grew up with gaming controller and im a pc gamer

and metaverse may not suceed

[oblique cloak]

still happens to me when i drop from high heights. lol makes my stomach turn

[pearl elk]

Id pilot a real gundam

[oblique cloak]

been 2 weeks, still fixing broken guns lol

_<

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cowboy-finger-gun-pointing-moves-gif-17170914

[oblique cloak]

i wonder how much of this garbage i pulled from skechfab is used in games

[pearl elk]

all of it

because so many games are trash 😛

[oblique cloak]

so many games just looking at it, no normal smoothing, mesh fixes. all copy and paste... no remashing, triangulating....

[pearl elk]

art is expensive yo

[oblique cloak]

this is all ez stuff what ya mean?

lol

[pearl elk]

its all about the time

[oblique cloak]

man im perfecting it i guess then

[pearl elk]

why not just overlap UVs 😛

[oblique cloak]

LOL like every asset on the unreal marketplace?

no thanks xD

Easy to modify, easy to make different forms of texture sets.

I want the old cod4 way of gun textures.

[fleet tangle]

Aren't you meant to leave a border around the UVs to prevent edge bleed?

[pearl elk]

you also cant texture the slide differently this way

[oblique cloak]

wym??

[pearl elk]

you should have all the slides for all the pistols in the same spot to mask them using a single alpha

[oblique cloak]

Each spot has its own material id

8 mats per gun

Slide, Base, Hammer,Trigger,metal,etc.

[pearl elk]

if its tiled why unique UVs shrug

[oblique cloak]

i need it for paint jobs, seting the texel denisty higher than 1k, was causing issues.

had to think of a different method.

[pearl elk]

this is how Id do my gun UVs

https://shop.sape.com.au/ts1594005258/attachments/Product/13308/SUVG.TAG.0.jpg

[oblique cloak]

im not understanding the difference tho, the guy 3 material id's one purple, one black, one lightbalb and then painted it.

[pearl elk]

its a UV gun...

pew pew

[oblique cloak]

OH

LMFAO

went right past my head with that one

[quasi mantle]

I guess if draw call is a concern, then yea

[oblique cloak]

its just easier to do it the right way, i rather prevent future failures.

[pearl elk]

I think that might be an issue with reasoning here, there technically isnt a right way just the way that is best for the requirements

[oblique cloak]

naw your 100% right on that

[pearl elk]

I remember having to do car UVs in a certain direction so that material effects would be applied correctly

[oblique cloak]

how long ago was this?

[pearl elk]

maybe 5 years

[oblique cloak]

UV mapped has changed a lot sense then. lol

[pearl elk]

its just easier to do effects in a simplier UV space than try to do complex math at runtime to warp the UVs

so to get the rain drops going down over the vehicle all the UVs were upright

same thing can be done with dust accumulation on the bottom of something, if they are all lined up in UV space then you can fill up to that point on the UVs to save complex masking

sometimes heavy packing ends up costing you 🙂

[oblique cloak]

your right 🙂

[pearl elk]

ofcoarse I am, Im one of those tech artist peoples lol

this is kinda the jam

yet I still cant figure out CitySample vehicle destruction 😛

[oblique cloak]

I have not even opened it yet

been to busy irl and fixing things up 😦

[pearl elk]

its pretty complex, lots of C++, BP, physics and anim stuff all going on

https://puu.sh/IYoo1/6b0ca0d2c7.jpg

[oblique cloak]

wow bones based on collision?

[pearl elk]

I think the bones define the hierarchy for crumple zones

[oblique cloak]

hmm

thats different, no wonder why its smooth

[zinc matrix]

Good you dodged a headshot ;)

[pearl elk]

all these cars are pretty dirty tbh

"realism"

[oblique cloak]

May 5th** would of been a great day to release SWKOTOR remastered, but nope...

[pearl elk]

Ryan Reynolds so so big he doesnt even need Star Wars to have a light saber

[oblique cloak]

lol

[pearl elk]

two non Star Wars movies and counting 🙂

[oblique cloak]

how am i ever going to merge vertices on this... jesus...

[night grove]

Are you trying to simplify it?

[oblique cloak]

Yeah, i tried decimate, that makes it look bad, i tried remeshing, same results, i got to hard fix em 😦

[night grove]

I've been trying to figure out how to simplify meshes as well

[oblique cloak]

The easiest method, ready?

[night grove]

Remake it?

That's so far my only idea

But I'm also after "manifold" / water tight meshes

[oblique cloak]

edit mode, select all, click delete on keyboard, limited dissolve.

[night grove]

NIIIICE! This is how I simplify code. More or less.

Bugs be gone!

[oblique cloak]

lol

1.9 million verts cant hurt the player.

f it

[fleet tangle]

Depends if those verts are a giant meteor.

[oblique cloak]

haha

[pearl elk]

vert gun

[oblique cloak]

GOT TI

HELL YEAH!

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/pewpewpew-shoot-sunday-freedom-bitch-gif-11857311

[oblique cloak]

Hard Ops for the win!!

[slow imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y3xh8gs24c&list=PL49N0z6TSjQqr4mRvPBHgGtZgTHtb0PNM&index=2

[primal summit]

well, most guns are made with straight lines and simple curves, shouldn't be too many polys to mimic, certainly not millions

[unreal ether]

weapons should not be near a million polys

[pearl elk]

they should be near 4 million polys

[zinc matrix]

so a bit of speculation...

im a unity dev.

and unity hasnt updated the DOTs packages since october

....

[primal summit]

SPY!!!

[zinc matrix]

people on the community boards claim they've essentially found so many core problems with it that they've silo'ed things and instead of abandoning the packages they are perfecting them, which i find hard to believe. does anyone in software ever do that?

[quasi mantle]

Unity certainly does that

[zinc matrix]

my moneys on them abandoning DOTS

[zinc matrix]

yes yes very well formed

typical makoto xD

[quasi mantle]

I mean, it's a public secret that Unity puts new features then proceeds not updating it shortly after

[zinc matrix]

its a shame because DOTS seemed very promising

oh it seems they **did ** that. they've stopped publishing updates until this year to rework everything

[deep copper]

really, but do you want more triangles?

[pearl elk]

theres never enough tris

[deep copper]

"no! i have infinite points!!"

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/pusheen-pi-day-happy-cat-pie-calculate-gif-16585460

[deep copper]

that's so cute!

[quasi mantle]

Ew n-gons

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksfilms-fidget-spinners-gif-8724670

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/fan-spinning-camera-go-pro-dizzy-gif-5297858

[pearl elk]

did you get your level fixed?

[primal summit]

I know we've calculated pi to hilarious precision, but what's the best we, as a species, have measured it to?

[deep copper]

did you do your bricks?

[cursive crypt]

Aye, took me few hours. At best is Copy-Paste and Export-Import (for the landscape). However, there are tons of details, know-hows, bugs and workarounds.

[pearl elk]

62.8 trillion decimal places, they use it to test super computers

[primal summit]

I mean measure physically, not calculate

[pearl elk]

you dont have to measure it

[primal summit]

I know

[pearl elk]

we still do it the way we've always done it, piece of string and a peg

but that requires a point 😛

[deep copper]

maybe we need a new number system to work better with pi

[pearl elk]

you mean like radians?

[primal summit]

can't we define a topology where pi equals 3 everywhere?

[cursive crypt]

Nobody stops you.

[primal summit]

non-euclidean manifolds ftw

[pearl elk]

its not like rotations are calculated in 3 dimensions as it is

[primal summit]

there is a huge difference between calculated and measured

[cursive crypt]

In theory, yes.

[pearl elk]

how does one measure pi?

[cursive crypt]

With amount eaten.

[pearl elk]

so we measure the stomach before and after eating

[primal summit]

by measuring the diameter of a circle on a flat plane and measuring it's circumference

[pearl elk]

but youre not measuring pi, youre measuring what pi is used to calculate

[primal summit]

which will rely on good tolerances on the plane and circle

I fail to see the distinction

[pearl elk]

pi is the number 3.14 etc

[primal summit]

indeed

[pearl elk]

not the diameter of some circle

[primal summit]

3.141592653... to memory

[pearl elk]

so even if you measure a circle you still derive pi through calculation

[primal summit]

pi is defined very early on as the ratio of diameter to circumference

thus, you have 3 unknowns

it doesn't matter which two you find to calculate the third

[pearl elk]

so I fail to see the difference between measure and calculate here 😛

the huge difference actually

[primal summit]

further, while the theory and math agree on a means to calculate pi without a circle, verification via real-world measurement lends credence to the value of the math

[pearl elk]

Id say it lends credence to your cheap measuring tools 😂

[primal summit]

we can trust it, but much science depends on testing theory to real-world measurements

[cursive crypt]

Measuring it is utterly useless. It will go into quantum and we cant measure a shit there.

[pearl elk]

which is why Einstein tested general relativity after peer review

[primal summit]

there is a huge difference between calculating pi via infinite series and verifying the calculations via measurement

[pearl elk]

all I know is every engineering field Ive worked in has acceptable tolerances ~=

[cursive crypt]

Engineering is practical appliance of science.

[pearl elk]

I can cut a perfect circle somehow... or can I

[cursive crypt]

Use a biscuit!

They round.

[primal summit]

I never said my measurement, I spoke to our best measurement as a species

[pearl elk]

you notice it on larger CNC machines the edges get chonky

but on a smaller machine its nice and smooth

[primal summit]

all true

[cursive crypt]

Molecules are edgy.

[primal summit]

also true, but that's on the angstrom scale

[pearl elk]

I trust a calculated circle more than I trust a human measured one

not just that the human has to measure but also cut manually

[primal summit]

as do I

trust, but verify