lounge

[robust shale]

Exactly, pragmatism of experience 🙂 It could be much worse. Like Unity probably 🙂

[timber viper]

But I heard really.. really bad stories from industry people

Like implementing lua to renderers etc.

UE should be a blessing compared to in house engines for a programmer

[robust shale]

Lyra seems like an interesting nugget of enterprise dev. Lots of good intentions and good architecture ... coupled with some "get it done in time" and don't have time to simplify it

[timber viper]

Lyra goes wild in BP 🥶

[robust shale]

Yeah... but that's how enterprise project goes 🙂

[timber viper]

I think... it's fine yeah but if they had more players in that gamemode that would be a problem. That's why I always get scared of character count in UE

It limits you to C++ ultimately

[robust shale]

I kinda hate c++ but even I see very little reason to have nothing but the bare essentials in BP. basically data classes config. In Lyra it seems theres a wide array of teams/people solving things in different ways

[timber viper]

Yeah each part (audio, gas implementation, core c++ stuff) made by different people afaik

Core stuff probably copied from Fortnite

with ripped parts

[robust shale]

again... typically big company project 🙂

[timber viper]

At least its consistent

[robust shale]

If you don't have a benevolent dictator overseeing all that it always ends in entropy and chaos

[timber viper]

And do you like that benevolent dictators?

[robust shale]

A good benevolent dictator is the best thing for a complex project

Its just someone that has the knowlege to overlook all parts and enough power to influence things bureaucratically

That combination of social savvy/knowledge/institutitonal power is sadly rare. Why do you think Steve Jobs was able to get things done 🙂

[timber viper]

You're right

Thanks for the convo

[robust shale]

Np 🙂 It's a sad truth that you can be an awesome programmer but if you can't convince your organization to implement your ideas the chances of improving things are not so good

[timber viper]

Leadership matters

[deep copper]

more like, proepr communication in general between everyone in the organisation

proper*

[robust shale]

Well...

Say I want to do a big architecture improvement, it feels "complicated" and "scary"

[pearl elk]

some organisations dont allow bottom up communication

[robust shale]

I can't just drop that on teammates, chances are it'll fail, you have to include people and make them feel involved

and obvs, they can always contribute a lot, it's not like ones ideas are perfect

but air-dropping complex refactoring/architecture changes from nothing is going to be a hard sell

Swedish and US organization communication seems very different sometimes :)I

[timber viper]

Who decides on big changes in big companies?

Like writing a new engine, refactoring physics engine etc

[deep copper]

sounds like that Objective management approach, where you make everyone feel involved so everyone agrees and have same clear Objective to work towards. which makes them more productive and also focus on personal goals or something 🤔

[timber viper]

Your boss expects to release a game and earn money, meanwhile you are trying to convince them you have to waste 6 months to write a new system -- that would be difficult

[robust shale]

I cant speak for game companies, only teams within enterprise. But here it's mostly consensus. So you just get some allies, discuss, make everyone feel includes and adapt to views raised

[timber viper]

Oh, alliances

[pearl elk]

some how I think the game ability system is going to stay largely the same over UE5s life, it'll be too difficult to change it. There might be complex branching issues where a base version which unchanged stays with the engine then updates are pushed through an optional dev branch

[robust shale]

Yeah, pre-discuss your change with another respected developer, so they'll vouch for it when you introduce it 🙂

[pearl elk]

Epic did solve alot of issues with game feature plugins but it doesnt solve the complexity of development. Monolithic classes can be easier to maintain because its less small moving parts

[robust shale]

GAS seems awesome in many ways, but from their own opinions things could be improved. The cue system seems way to intermingled with everything and could be quite separate

[timber viper]

Network prediction plugin is also awesome, though very likely to be abandoned (developer left epic recently)

[robust shale]

Yeah what happened to that. It has been very under the radar and not something Epic seems to want to commit to

[timber viper]

I guess Fortnite does not need it at all 😂

[robust shale]

I mean, then you have things like Mass AI. Probably there's a benevolent dictator running that area keeping things consistent. Same thing seems for modeling tools (Ryan is god) and control rig. Very tightly controlled and cohesive

[pearl elk]

tools are abit different to gameplay affecting parts of the engine though

[robust shale]

Yeah

Was surprised about the Mass AI initiative tho

Someone within Epic must have a lot of clout

[pearl elk]

It could be Epic seeing what some people do with the engine and deciding thats an area that needs focus

[robust shale]

For sure, might even be strategic attack against Unity. One of their few claims is ECS

[pearl elk]

Epic have clearly abstracted more stuff out in UE5 to make it more efficient, main issue is trying to teach people those abstractions. Typical OOP is easy to comprehend in terms of inheritance

[robust shale]

OMG I'd kill to be a fly on the wall in Unity meetings. ECS seems such a typical enterprise monster

[solid aurora]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mieszkozielinski/?originalSubdomain=pl

[pearl elk]

a good example of something thats not immediately obvious is the fact GAS can do negative effects too. Most would assume "ability" to be a buff of some sort

[robust shale]

Unreal seems to be in a bit of cross-over times. From a shooter engine to a data-driven engine. Difference between Epic and Unity, for good and bad, is that Epic always was pragmatic in keeping it a production tool while Unity had more lofty architecture ambitions without eating their own dogfood

[pearl elk]

Im glad about the data-driven stuff because its how I tend to work, main issue regular people will have is componetisation and all the boiler plate. Lyra is mostly just boiler plate same with Action RPG, wish there were a way to automate that all away

[solid aurora]

there is

you uuse Lyra sa boostrap for your game

and make youur game inside GameFeatuure pluugin [;

[robust shale]

It's really hard to comprehend software architecture patterns as a hobbyist gamedev

[pearl elk]

yeah that will do some of it but theyve still made architectural choices about how they want you to use LyraAbilities

[solid aurora]

that's why it's boostrap project

it makes assuumptions on how youu work with it

to make work easier

[robust shale]

Lyra seems like it's... half-way there 🙂

[solid aurora]

becauuse it is

there will more sample game features in fuutuure

[robust shale]

But for my money, it'd design my game so it's completely data-driven, you trigger events. and stuff reacts to those events. You have an impact event, something reacts to that and fires particle events. An damage handler handles the damage etc etc. That's completely normal in my enterprise mind. Only "problem" I see with Lyra is that they havent worked it through enough to have abstraction levels that's easy to comprehend

(Again, sorry, I don't want to sound Enterprise snobbish)

[pearl elk]

yeah well I hope component wise it doesnt get all tied to character, I know why that exists but it'd be nice if the components could go on any player actor

or maybe its easier just to make a character vehicle 😛

[robust shale]

Yeah, I'd just use subsystems. Fire events, let an handler/mediator resolve it

It does seem sometimes that gamedev is a few years behind other dev

Give me that sweet DI framework 🙂

[pearl elk]

I think part of the issue is just in the display, when you look at things as classes you dont see a system you see lots of disconnected pieces. I think its important for people to understand systems overall but we still have to do that sort of flow on a whiteboard or paper

trouble is you cant just load all the connected classes in BP because the entire point of those sorts of systems is you dont have to load it all lol\

[robust shale]

Maybe a weaker culture of software architecture/design. But TBF really good that (IMHO) is not common in any project

Just want to preface this with I'm no pure academic and that kind of snobbery, just what I've learned from experience

It's like invading a country, you need to pillage a few villages to get a hang of it

[zinc matrix]

disconnected sums up my brief experience of looking at lyra's layout well

[pearl elk]

you have to understand the fabric of UE5

[robust shale]

Yeah... Different people/teams, maybe no one really pushing cohesion, probably a lot of time crunch

[zinc matrix]

felt like I had to be in the developer's mind to know where stuff is and why

[quasi mantle]

So Lyra is livin' on a prayer then?

[robust shale]

You kinda get the sense it started with good intentions and compromises were made 🙂 (as most software projects) 🙂

[zinc matrix]

continue to be upgraded in future releases to demonstrate our latest best practices for making games in UE5.

[robust shale]

Look, a good dev will look at Lyra at, know what's good and bad, take it and build their own solutions. If you're learning from Lyra and don't know so much... you're going to have a hard time

[zinc matrix]

guess my practices are vastly inferior because they don't seem to resemble much of lyra 😔

yeah

[pearl elk]

so your game has to have aimbots, its the best practise 😛

[quasi mantle]

Meanwhile me not using UE5 seriously (yet) and still doing my own thing in UE4

[robust shale]

Lyra doesnt really use much UE5 explicit stuff, I don't think

[dark sequoia]

woof

[robust shale]

except the game component features

[quasi mantle]

foow

[pearl elk]

those procedural mesh nodes are those in 4.26-7? I dont use em enough to know

[zinc matrix]

procedural meshes were definitely before ue5

[quasi mantle]

I think as far back as 4.25

[pearl elk]

yeah the meshes were but it looks like theres a whole BP library for geo I hadnt seen before

[timber viper]

Lyra is going to be a bootstrap project for all asset flips

[zinc matrix]

going to try and get into landscape design, let's see if there's any good pinned resources

[quasi mantle]

But eh, apart from some Control Rig stability, I still can't take UE5 seriously

[zinc matrix]

it's not exactly as stable as 4.27

[robust shale]

There was some modeling tools in 4.27, they demoed some for the medieval village thing. Ryan, the guy responsible, is like awesome and have been publishing libraries and a blog atg http://www.gradientspace.com/ for a long time. But UE5 is when it finally has come into more of the limelight

[timber viper]

Instanced Structs making me take UE5 seriously

[zinc matrix]

it crashes even when doing innocent things

[celest musk]

lets just ignore nanite

[zinc matrix]

I'm using ue5 because of large world coordinates that's probably my main reason

[pearl elk]

I prefer granite to nanite

[celest musk]

also it's not only CR stability, but imho CR just got usable with 5.0 because of functions

it was kind of an ugly mess before

[zinc matrix]

I'm going to pronounce it "nanit" instead of "nanyte" now

[pearl elk]

I do like the new UX, the whole experience does feel more cohesive now

but that new logo, feels so imba to me because Ive been looking at the other one so long

[robust shale]

Did you know you can go into modeling tools -> pivot -> change to center/bottom and BAMM. Ryan did that... so much cool stuff in the modeling and procedural mesh stuff

[pearl elk]

its a shame that proc mesh doesnt get its own BP like Blender Geonodes. I was looking at the flow thinking this could be so much better if it were geo focused

event flow makes sense for gameplay

[robust shale]

Isnt there now? From what I know they've greatly simplified the mesh-generation stuff. Can even generate stuff on the fly and bake into Nanite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apCSgAAkDTU

[zinc matrix]

surprised the auto-uv tool somewhat worked

[quasi mantle]

Well, if that's the case, I'd stick with UE4. UE5 has yet to gain my trust in terms of wide compatibility. Trying to achieve more win-win for wide range of hardware.

To be fair CR in UE4.27 is quite usable as it is

[zinc matrix]

I imagine a lot of VR devs would stick to UE4

nanite? not gonna work

lumen? nope

[robust shale]

You can do UE5 with 1080, or just disable lumen etc and its exactly as ue4 (except tesselation/wpo)

[quasi mantle]

Lumen, probably. But I'd be fainted if I wore one.

[robust shale]

I saw somewhere actually lumen/nanite working well in VR

[quasi mantle]

And I rely a lot on WPO tricks, so...

[pearl elk]

there is but if you look at the way Blender and Houdini do proc meshes its far more intuitive and refined. Im really happy UE5 is going that way but it'll take abit to catch up

[celest musk]

WPO is actively worked on

[zinc matrix]

I'm probably wrong about lumen, but from what I've heard nanite is very dodgy

[robust shale]

Well... Houdini is its own dark magic 🙂

[quasi mantle]

For one, my game is anime style, and I have WPO going on for eyebrows.

[zinc matrix]

"bro you need nanite anime characters"

"bro you should use nanite on every mesh"

[robust shale]

Why not just morph targets?

[celest musk]

you don't use nanite on skeletal meshs anyways yet

[pearl elk]

not like we cant combined DCC with UE5 anyways since they are all hooked up

[zinc matrix]

exactly

[pearl elk]

nanite all the things

[quasi mantle]

Because just morph target alone won't make it pop out, visible through the hairs

[robust shale]

Soldiers with nanite armour is the new black 🙂

[pearl elk]

what if... someone made nanites with nanite

[pearl elk]

could it render them or are they smaller than pixels 😛

[robust shale]

I mean, it could, depending on how it was modelled 🙂

[pearl elk]

I suppose with more precision we cant just go bigger but also smaller

[robust shale]

Foliage is interesting, I have some stylized foliage where the trunk could be Nanite, but the leaves not. But then you have to divide into two meshes and adapt your tools

[pearl elk]

my whole map is a single leaf

[robust shale]

https://tenor.com/view/serenity-leaf-wind-soar-gif-8065398

[pearl elk]

need world partition for the leaf

[celest musk]

at least your project isn't bound to UE4 because of eyebrows

[quasi mantle]

This was achieved with WPO, because while I wanted it to visible through the hair, I don't want it to not follow the camera and make it pop out forward from the head.

[robust shale]

Biggest problem is snow/sand. Seems solvable with virtual heightfield mesh or something but... not really been proven feasible yet

[quasi mantle]

I felt like this is a huge part that made up the style

[celest musk]

you can still use WPO on non nanite meshs?!

[pearl elk]

I just model the individual grains of sand or small little snowflakes

and then render zillions of em

[celest musk]

which every skeletal mesh so far is

unless you have a robot

[cursive crypt]

Snownites

[robust shale]

Couldnt you model it so its different skeletal parts with different ANIMBP. Think they do it like that in fortnite for backpacks and stuff

[pearl elk]

yeah the Anim stuff has really come a long way now, its much more modular than it used to be thankfully

[robust shale]

I just want to use gameplaytags with fast path 🙂 but maybe you can now with the threadsafe functions

[quasi mantle]

Let's see...

Hair, one skelmesh.
Face and base body, one skelmesh
Clothes, each part are individual skelmesh.

All synced up to a proxy mesh, and animBPs for the visual meshes are just for physics, including fine tuning on breasts physics in runtime

Eyebrows are part of the face/body mesh, with camera offset on WPO

[robust shale]

Well hair is ambelic (?) anyways. Any rigid stuff like armor can be nanite. I'd do eye brows as a separate skeletal mesh, then you can just overlay it

[celest musk]

idk why this convo is going on...

[robust shale]

Not sure what'd the workflow for separate eyebrows would be tho. Smells like an Asset Package. "Eye Brows Pro Master"

[celest musk]

you can't use nanite on something like a body anyways, so nanite restrictions don't even apply to you there

[pearl elk]

Lyra doesnt really show how to do modular skeletal meshes aye hmm

[celest musk]

nanite at the moment is for static meshes

[pearl elk]

how 2 cosmetics

[quasi mantle]

Hair's not alembic, in my case. It's strand based, but it's rare in anime that the strands are as thin as real human hair

[robust shale]

yeah, but for armour attached to body it works

[quasi mantle]

All of the dangling physics were animBP.

And she hates wearing armours so yeah

[pearl elk]

just use solid plastic hair

[quasi mantle]

Heck, with JRPG health system you can survive minigun rounds for a longer while

[robust shale]

It did some thing where I took a modular character, converted armour pieces to static -> Nanite. Then attached and calculated the offset to its original bone and attached it

[dark sequoia]

nani!?

[celest musk]

you can bind static mesh to skeletal mesh sockets

so you don't even need to update their location/rotation, as the engine does it for you

[quasi mantle]

えっとー

[pearl elk]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/25/03/3496171F00000578-3607907-image-a-28_1464145137953.jpg

this is proper hair, gives an armour bonus

[robust shale]

Yeah, but some cases need to calculate for modular skeletal parts. Pretty easy tho, just calculate difference between root and the bone you're attaching to

[quasi mantle]

"bro, your anime character isn't nanite? Not cool bro, not cool"

[robust shale]

Nani... -te

[pearl elk]

nanime

[celest musk]

ok, you win

[robust shale]

Robots in deserts guys. Robots in desert

[quasi mantle]

何だと？

[quasi mantle]

But I don't really like Dune :(

[robust shale]

I bought that dystopia mech thing, and pretty cool since you can simply convert each part to nanite and attach to skeleton

Who doesn't like Dune. Blashemy! 🙂

[quasi mantle]

Though that being said

[pearl elk]

so is marmite better than nanite?

[quasi mantle]

My game do have plan for a rudimentary mecha

[robust shale]

Must say I'm struggling as well, have a great desert environment with rocks and buildings... but difficult to come up with gameplay just in desert 🙂

[quasi mantle]

The story goes that one of the party member is an engineer, and building a magical mecha

[median wraith]

correct, *if you mesn the food

[quasi mantle]

Maybe, maybe that's where Nanite could theoretically came into play

[celest musk]

no

because you have UE4 stockholm syndrome

[quasi mantle]

No? B... But, the golem :(

[robust shale]

*me living in Stockholm 👀 *

[quasi mantle]

Well, yes

Hehehe

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-olive-pizza-lover-swirling-pizza-gif-16667149

[quasi mantle]

But I do have high poly source art for the environment

[celest musk]

one day you will switch, and then you see years passing by

[quasi mantle]

And by that time I'd be working on the cyberpunk game with more realistic graphics

[celest musk]

by that time you are the last UE developer

[quasi mantle]

Though realistic in anime way

[celest musk]

because we are all in the matrix already

[robust shale]

I really do think there's great opportunity for ue5 desert game. You simplify stuff so much. But yeah, have to come up with appropriate game idea. Also think Epic wasn't doing environment design the best making everything "Super high fidely desert homogenic rock"

[celest musk]

or we escaped the matrix

both possible scenarios

[deep copper]

it has smell, taste, feel, nearly infinite particles for a weird simulation, so yeah, marmite wins

[dark sequoia]

i prefer smegmite

[quasi mantle]

I prefer more lush greenery landscape more than desert, but I guess US has more desert and the desserts

[quasi mantle]

Yo

Mio in Nanite when

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-morpheus-agent-smith-its-the-smell-humanity-gif-11020686

[dark sequoia]

honestly jokes aside, i still know absolutely nothing about nanite lolz..

[robust shale]

Another interesting fact, is that I've tried every combination of packaging, options etc, and don't think it's possible to get fps over 60 with lumen/nanite. At least not with resolutions over 1080

[dark sequoia]

other than its the hot new thing apparently

[celest musk]

that's mostly lumen and vsm

[zinc matrix]

"nanite and lumen" is a marketing phrase at this point

[dark sequoia]

back in my day, you make models by extruding vertices and shaping em together :p

[robust shale]

In fact resolution seems to be, by far, the most important factor for fps. Even when trying upscaling etc a lot

[deep copper]

you can throw unoptimised meshes and nanite makes it work.

[dark sequoia]

isnt that just being lazy, though

[robust shale]

VSM doesnt do that much different, but of course, using Lumen at all and Nanite does

[proud jay]

https://youtu.be/TMorJX3Nj6U

[celest musk]

or you can use optimized meshes and get a smaller footprint overall

[zinc matrix]

i.e. you can use film assets in a game

[celest musk]

and you don't have to care about LODs

[deep copper]

faster game dev *

[dark sequoia]

faster doesnt mean better :p

[proud jay]

and higher quality assets up close

[deep copper]

yeah lol no it's just lazy...

[dark sequoia]

otherwise you get the GTA Remake Trilogy (which uses UE4, lolz)

[robust shale]

As it is I don't think we'll seem competetive shooter games with lumen in a few years

[pearl elk]

but but Nvidya said my 3090 is good for 8K gaming

[robust shale]

It is, at 30 fps

[quasi mantle]

Watch out your word young man
The Nanite lord will not put mercy upon you

[celest musk]

yea when you just run subdiv on everything

[dark sequoia]

lol

[quasi mantle]

Nanite is a Messiah

[dark sequoia]

im assuming its for UE5 only?

[quasi mantle]

Yes

[deep copper]

yes

[celest musk]

https://i.redd.it/ekqnpxmhbuz71.png

[dark sequoia]

lol

[quasi mantle]

And mostly for photorealistic assets.

[dark sequoia]

glad they fixed that model, looks much smoother now

[pearl elk]

nutdohs

[deep copper]

so is lumen, which nearly nobody cares about much here yet because fps drop

[quasi mantle]

Except the nut as well

[celest musk]

yea, never got why nuts have those stupid edges

[robust shale]

I think it will be good for narrative games... but... there's like no proof lumen/nanite can perform with really good FPS afaik

[dark sequoia]

lol im just kidding of course

[robust shale]

and I've tried a lot. Packaging, options, different levels, etc

[dark sequoia]

well i'll look into nanite when i start using UE5 later

but not anytime soon

[quasi mantle]

What about narrative games that require high framerate? :(

[robust shale]

Nothing over 60 fps I don't think

[quasi mantle]

I mean, you'd better be watch the dialogue in 60 FPS

Or else

[dark sequoia]

I bet nanite would be really cool for a Max Payne styled game

or... Matrix :p

[quasi mantle]

Well, sort of.
Remedy did remaking Max Payne duology with Northlight

[dark sequoia]

a remake? D:

[quasi mantle]

Yes, a remake, being developed by Remedy directly

[dark sequoia]

oh nice

[quasi mantle]

(funding is still from Rockstar tho)

[deep copper]

that's basically a noob friendly mesh handler in ue actually, nothing more, if you plan to sculpt some million poly mesh and don't want to go through the pain of fixing it, nanite helps, but watch out it might need hardware and doesn't works with transparent material etc etc

[dark sequoia]

i never heard of that at all

but thats pretty cool

Max Payne games are among my fav PC games of all time

[robust shale]

Raytracing is actually harmful, better to turn it off 🙂

[quasi mantle]

People want to think of it as a Messiah, but the catch are still not good in my book

[robust shale]

Lumen is faster on software with good enough results for everything but archicad

[quasi mantle]

I mean, what PAST FUTURE DELUXE could benefit from Nanite and Lumen, when everything is almost smudged by painting effect

[quasi mantle]

🔺

[robust shale]

btw, top tip, always disable motion blur with lumen/nanite or you get a lot of artifacts

[dark sequoia]

another issue for me is that i never really learned modeling nor development the "proper" way and instead I figured out most things by myself. so as a result I know nothing about the technical side of things, nor many terms and what they mean. I just do the thing until it does/looks the way I want :p

[quasi mantle]

Motion blur doesn't play nice with both? Really now?

[dark sequoia]

regarding Blender, UE4, etc

[robust shale]

The motion blur isnt fast enough so in third person you get ghosting around the character

[dark sequoia]

yeah I have had that issue myself

[robust shale]

Even with foliage there's ghosting

[dark sequoia]

that ghosting stuff is very very annoying..

[deep copper]

basically how 90% of the world works at this point ig..

[quasi mantle]

Wasn't that TAA? 🤔

[dark sequoia]

for me it was TAA

[quasi mantle]

I swear to God TAA is the main ghosting causer, not strictly motion blur

[dark sequoia]

regardless if theres motion blur or not, still happens

[robust shale]

TAA is better (I think) but the default nanite anti-alias TSR is not so good with motion blur

[pearl elk]

AOGIGLTXAADSISSLSSLS

its my new algorithm

its meant to sung to the beat of lose yourself

[quasi mantle]

At least now I'm more confident keeping high poly source asset around and still use UE4

[deep copper]

on the brighter side, atleast you can pronounce taa

[pearl elk]

TAH

[dark sequoia]

basically i had to make it so certain settings changed while moving the character camera, which reduced the amount of weird ghosting. but sadly doesnt work when moving the character (rather than the camera). theres been many fixes and workarounds people do, even though such a thing as that should really be fixed to begin with rather than people being forced to work around it 🙃

but thats just me i guess lol

[quasi mantle]

The catches are still less optimistic with the fancy new features...

[robust shale]

Best thing for stylized/low poly. Dump roughness/normal. Bake height into the mesh if needed. Maybe detail normals

[dark sequoia]

VR more important to focus on rather than refining the engine, apparently

[robust shale]

Oki maybe roughness, dependeing on kin of asset 🙂

[quasi mantle]

At least I have managed to push UE4 to low end limits while not sacrificing the graphical fidelity that much

And the environment are mostly photorealistic with painting effect courtesy of Quixel

[robust shale]

Named re-route nodes/distance matching/ etc is well worth ue5 🙂

[deep copper]

what's that about?

[robust shale]

Which one?

[quasi mantle]

Animation stuff I think

[deep copper]

distance matching

[dark sequoia]

yeah i dont know what that is either

[quasi mantle]

Though I use procedural anims with Control Rig and some C++ work

[deep copper]

i only heard lumen /nanite so far lol, first time something else about ue5

[robust shale]

Ah, prevents foot sliding. Check Lyra 🙂

[quasi mantle]

Or Paragon

[dark sequoia]

I use good old fashioned regular animations :p

[robust shale]

also can do like mantling at arbitrary obstacles

or open a door

[quasi mantle]

At least regular anims work well with anime style

[deep copper]

ah was this also in their desert thing demo? the animation thing

[quasi mantle]

Where stylised motion rules above proceduralism

Butt!

[robust shale]

yeah, def the mantling

[deep copper]

i recall a lot of stuff about character animation being, different there

[quasi mantle]

I'm using procedural animations for anime style, with curves

[robust shale]

Control Rig is a beast. I really need a lot of pills and a week on some island to digest it in its entirety

[celest musk]

when you release your UE4 game it will only run on retro hardware

😄

[dark sequoia]

sometime I'd like to learn how to do that from you, lol @quasi mantle cause its stuff im interested in wanting to experiment with

[quasi mantle]

I take that as compliment

I love some retro hardware goodness

[deep copper]

as long as it runs

[dark sequoia]

for me, retro is ue1

[robust shale]

@zinc matrix Do you think it's possible to run lumen/nanite on like 3060/3080 with 90 fps

[deep copper]

wasn't that udk or what

[celest musk]

retro is 16bit for me

unreal was already 32bit?!

[dark sequoia]

for example, the first Unreal game.... called Unreal

lolz

[robust shale]

Sorry, premature enter 🙂

[quasi mantle]

Well, I myself still figuring things out, especially using procedural anims for gameplay in anime style
Of course I have to mention it's interpolated motion, so not exactly stepped motion like ArcSys stuff

[deep copper]

well if it's an empty level...

[dark sequoia]

i dont know what any of that stuff you said means 🙃

[celest musk]

3060/3080 is quite some difference

[deep copper]

seriously? ouch

[quasi mantle]

You'll figure it out later ;)

[dark sequoia]

likely

[robust shale]

For all my experiments, low poly architecture, packaged, different options, never even 70 fps (3060)

[quasi mantle]

I mean, if you want to kill me with motion sickness, then go for it

[celest musk]

@robust shale but all with lumen i guess

[quasi mantle]

As if my motion sickness with full framerate isn't hindering me enough lol

[celest musk]

because i would bet that you can run nanite stuff with 100fps on 3060

[dark sequoia]

the only stuff ive done with animations are more on the AnimBP side of things, for characters

[celest musk]

at 1440p

[robust shale]

I mean sure, but then its just ue4 with bonus 🙂

[dark sequoia]

and motion blending, stuff like that

[quasi mantle]

Oh, Control Rig is OP
With that you can even make MMD entirely in UE4

[robust shale]

But nanite without Lumen... I dunno

[celest musk]

and i guess screen resolution doesn't have an high impact on nanite performance

[dark sequoia]

although sadly, atm MMD still looks much better visually imo... at least until we figure out how to make anime cel-shading look just as good as it does in MMD :p

[quasi mantle]

Well, it's not that relevant if you're making more stepped animation like Arc System games

[dark sequoia]

what games did they make?

[quasi mantle]

Considering everything in ArcSys had to be keyframed manually by hand

[deep copper]

wait how is light building with nanite meshes

is that quick enough

[quasi mantle]

Guilty Gear, Blazblue, GBF Versus, that one Dragonball fighting game

[robust shale]

From my research resolution is the overwhelming performance factror. Even doing upscaling at like 50%. 1080 you can get pretty good performance, but over that...

[pearl elk]

member when UE4 had SVOGI

[dark sequoia]

ah okay, i knew they sounded familiar

[pearl elk]

only took till UE5 to get comparable graphics 😛

[quasi mantle]

They have the emphasis on emulating anime look with ALL the restrictions

[dark sequoia]

ah I see

i think its pretty cool to do that, yeah

[quasi mantle]

Which works on their favour because the game scene is mostly static

[deep copper]

so if you reduce resolution, go retro pixel game, that would be blazing fast?

[robust shale]

I saw something about disabling (course maps) if you dont do volumetric which could give good performance

[quasi mantle]

Their games are mainly 2.5D fighting game, no forward movement, just sideways

[dark sequoia]

ah tru

[quasi mantle]

Of course that won't work if the scene is more dynamic, which is majority of Bandai Namco's anime games

[robust shale]

Lorash are you still sipping from the Unity pump in search of that sweet c# nectar?

[dark sequoia]

if i had a choice i'd prolly go for the more dynamic approach

for the type of games i'd create, in anime style

[quasi mantle]

Well, I do the same

Which also means 60 FPS has some visual benefits

[robust shale]

.Net 7 has some kinda hot reload that converts c# to c++, justg use that UNREAL 🙂

That's just Task with extra steps? 🙂

[quasi mantle]

My game is a single player anime style action RPG, kinda like Genshin Impact but with more mature storyline and GUNS

[dark sequoia]

:3

[robust shale]

I don't even know what that is

[dark sequoia]

I'd want to do the same, except in my case it would likely be Witches inspired... and therefore having flight too

[robust shale]

Just give me something I can compile and doesnt explode if I do something wrong

[quasi mantle]

And healthy dose of anime fanservice, because why not. Not much lost when you're aiming for Mature rating

Some of the character in English script would say "fuck" so yeah

[dark sequoia]

damn, dats edgy D:

[cursive crypt]

Anime is hot topic tho

[dark sequoia]

i would make a game thats "inspired" by Strike Witches but it is original content, but then allow mod support so that it can become pretty much Strike Witches without getting in trouble lolz

[cursive crypt]

Style or die

[quasi mantle]

Now that I think about it, my writing style is a bit edgy, with some of the subject matter from domestic violence, traumatic experience, that kind of thing

[dark sequoia]

o..

[robust shale]

How you recognize problematic Discord users: a) has a anime avatar b) ends every question with lol

[quasi mantle]

Also a little bit of politics inspired by the local political conflicts

[dark sequoia]

I'm suddenly problematic?

[zinc matrix]

apparently

how do I join this club?

[robust shale]

Not suddenly

[zinc matrix]

anime pfp or cartoon wolf pfp?

[dark sequoia]

I can be if people want me to

[quasi mantle]

Sorry, but can't this get more creative?

[dark sequoia]

since such comments is an invite to that, but alrighty

[cursive crypt]

When #furry ?

[dark sequoia]

either that or we can go back to our convo

[zinc matrix]

literally nothing wrong with an anime pfp as it's just an art style lmao

[quasi mantle]

No, don't change the pfp

[cursive crypt]

lol

[robust shale]

I'm not sure what you mean. people who like the original Evangelion ending over the alternate Evangelion ending?

[cursive crypt]

Cat girls on the rise

[dark sequoia]

Just a moronic and outdated mindset, that's all. Thinking an icon dictates a person's intelligence and their state of being.

[quasi mantle]

At least be more creative with the anime ad hominem www

[dark sequoia]

Rather than their actions

[robust shale]

Triggered

[dark sequoia]

Indeed, I did

[cursive crypt]

OnBeginOverlap

[zinc matrix]

my pfp is a painting

[dark sequoia]

Also weren't you supposed to have me blocked, Lorash?

[zinc matrix]

does that make me sophisticated? not at all

[cursive crypt]

You mean php

[zinc matrix]

*my php is a painting

[dark sequoia]

Hmm, or maybe that was someone else... hard to tell since a few individuals blended together in this server during the time I've been in here

[quasi mantle]

Also I want to tell you about one time #ue4-general had a convo entirely about anime rendering

[cursive crypt]

Intelligence roll: 1d3

[robust shale]

@zinc matrix Did you see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXzTXD_OJo0 , not quite as good as the senion Javascript one but still 🙂

[deep copper]

i had to check if this was the fake lorash lol

[cursive crypt]

Why is there C burp talks here? lol

[deep copper]

wait for it

[dark sequoia]

A reminder that this guy is using passive aggressive humor just because me and makoto were discussing video game development that happened to relate to anime, but alright you do you! But anyway...

[deep copper]

the search result takes about 5 sec

they now have your older pfp only

[dark sequoia]

@quasi mantle Alot of anime games dont have that type of language, so it would be at least refreshing to see I suppose

[robust shale]

I like Attack On Titan as well but you don't see me changing my avatar

[zinc matrix]

I have a dream, that one day internet users will be judged not by the image of their profile but by their message history

[deep copper]

yeah, if you make it appear in search once, it then appears for you when @ ing for a while

[cursive crypt]

They are tho, at least tweets

[dark sequoia]

I like anime, but at least I am not a cuck! lol! :3 :3

[robust shale]

It's just all the Sailor Moon kiddies

[cursive crypt]

It is common to dig internet info... if you are important enough.

[zinc matrix]

let's say my pfp was just a bowl of food from some anime

[robust shale]

thank god I'm in #lounge for once

[zinc matrix]

would it draw attention? probably not

I must make it clear that I pretty much never watch any anime

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/food-2dfood-delicious-anime-gif-15258918

[quasi mantle]

Also I feel like anime games are hard take itself more seriously

[robust shale]

Which is best, Sword Art Online or Attach on Titan?

[deep copper]

i don't think anyone would recognise you, unless they used compact discord

[cursive crypt]

A game or anime?

[unborn lotus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/spiritedaway-3oz8xB06mHyoGE7ZoQ

[dark sequoia]

Its hard to balance because most of the time when theres violent language, its seen as just plain edgy like you'd see in fanfics and deviantart trash art.

[zinc matrix]

is it anime? yes. would people judge you if it was your pfp? no

[robust shale]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-light-yagami-gif-21202955

[dark sequoia]

Neither, those are trash shows that only normies watch

[cursive crypt]

Chips is not healthy.

[quasi mantle]

Well, I feel like inclusion of some F-bomb matters because of the more psychological subject matters.

The main character had some traumatic experience and she'd have to fight it in some point in the game

[dark sequoia]

I think I get what you mean though, yeah

[robust shale]

Well, excuuuuuse me. I don't watch tentai. I rather enjoyed Made in Abyss tho

[dark sequoia]

What is tentai

[pearl elk]

10 tacles

[dark sequoia]

Made in Abyss is a hentai? that's new to me

[quasi mantle]

Should it be decen?

[deep copper]

sao was a scam, they bait you with that summary and it has nothing to do with it

[cursive crypt]

10tacles? lol

[zinc matrix]

wtf is this channel now

[quasi mantle]

If blood counts as one, yeah

Though I forgot majority of MIA, should rewatch it someday

[robust shale]

I loved the first season, and first episodes of some seasons. Buuuut. Very uneven 🙂

[quasi mantle]

SAO made Metaverse before everyone else

[cursive crypt]

uuh....

[quasi mantle]

You can't change my mind

[dark sequoia]

In my server we have a channel sorta like this... its called the #memes-shitpost channel where I redirect all the convos I dont want to see in any other channel, pretty much.

Sure

[quasi mantle]

SAO is pretty much Metaverse (tale) progenitor

[robust shale]

I still think whoever makes likea SAO game first will win millions of dollars

It's like the matrix

[cursive crypt]

nah... .nethack was first

or whatever was the name 🤔

[robust shale]

😄

[zinc matrix]

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too political?

[cursive crypt]

r/place ?

lol

[pearl elk]

wheres the Australian flag

[dark sequoia]

@quasi mantle But yeah I'm still taking a break from UE4 stuff atm, since I am still busy playing vidya gaemz. But once I get back into things i'd want to continue trying to refine my materials and all that. And then perhaps I could look more into Control Rig as well, if you're okay with helping of course

[cursive crypt]

Everyone knows they don't exist.

[quasi mantle]

Rotate the screen 180° and you'll find one

[robust shale]

Attack on Titan is one of the few shows that really did deliver tho. Compare it to Lost, GoT or whatever. AoT kept on getting better

[deep copper]

where is the other axis, only 2 axis

[zinc matrix]

on mobile?

[cursive crypt]

AoT kept worse to me, after season 1

[deep copper]

rotating screen works for mobile, for reading that

[quasi mantle]

Well, to be fair I'm currently focused on technical animation stuff recently, more than material

[dark sequoia]

o..

[zinc matrix]

wait I know exactly what to do

[robust shale]

S1 was kinda uneven, s2-s3, kept getting better, lost me abiit now towards the end

[quasi mantle]

My graphing calculator deserve its break y'know

[cursive crypt]

black?

Kinda got political too

[deep copper]

now i am thankful my historical knowledge is so bad I can't get most references in aot

[dark sequoia]

Fair enough heh, but we'll see I guess... it depends what kind of issues I come across when I get back into it. The blushing and other effects I still need to fix, for one

i'd say thats the real main thing in my way atm

[cursive crypt]

I don't even remember that part... At the end, I started to FastForward.

https://tenor.com/view/fastforward-remote-speed-up-go-forward-skip-gif-5354926

[pearl elk]

Fast Forward is a great show

[quasi mantle]

I think the political stuff in my game is pretty much parody of Indonesian politics, represented as kind of nothern kingdoms

Surely muricans can't relate to them wwww

[robust shale]

I mean I grew up this being the best Anime (and starzinger) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s17E2LtUWIg

[deep copper]

just watch it full in 4x, saves time and now you can blend with the fans

[robust shale]

Still one of the best intros!

[dark sequoia]

if you have to watch a show at 3x or 4x speed just to do it quick enough, there is no point in watching at all 🙂

[quasi mantle]

At least you got credentials of "watching" them

[deep copper]

don't worry, you will by the time next 50 seasons are out

[cursive crypt]

Hmm... there was something which I watched recently, it resembled that style... let me see...

[dark sequoia]

even speedrunners still play the game normally at least one time, before they start speedrunning it

at least I am assuming

[deep copper]

there's no point in rewatching, so you only got one time to set the score !

[dark sequoia]

otherwise, thats dumb imo LOL!! :3

[quasi mantle]

laughs in me speedrunning local made games immediately

[zinc matrix]

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perfect

[dark sequoia]

jokes aside, theres plenty of reason to rewatch content (or replay games) if you're a fan of it

[quasi mantle]

Tried speedrunning first DreadOut game, Unity was so janky back then

Also the level design was awful

[dark sequoia]

several people are typing

[deep copper]

my sister made me watch one piece and that's super slow, i had to switch to 4x regardless of her complaints xD

[dark sequoia]

well thats different, that has 1000 episodes

[quasi mantle]

It's a shame nobody talked about level design in the local gamedev community.

Everyone there just want to talk about the money smfh

[robust shale]

The only old game I'll replay is Quake. Jesus Christ playing Monkey Island or Leisure Suit Larry will only ruin my childhood. But Quake is Quake 🙂

[dark sequoia]

is that a game about the Quaker oats man?

[deep copper]

the intro, outro, and recap are skippable, so brings the ep from 23-25 to 10-15 mins,

[robust shale]

Yes, about the importance of fiber in once's diet

[deep copper]

and at 4x that's whatever that is on division by 4

[unreal ether]

Ye you have to run around and give people porridge im pretty sure

[dark sequoia]

ah okay

[quasi mantle]

Which is why I spend more time with you guys and gals in Unreal Slackers, more than local gamedev groups lol

[robust shale]

UT is but a bleak pimple on Quakes ass. Change my mind 🙂

[unreal ether]

I think the porridge is a real time fluid sim and you cant spill any

Rendered in 16k

[quasi mantle]

Can't argue with that

[robust shale]

🙂

[unreal ether]

They need to make a new UT, bit all the enemies are unity users

[dark sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTeLy3Ujxc

[robust shale]

The one where you had like classes and bases where actually pretty good

[dark sequoia]

there already is a new UT, its called Fortnite

[unreal ether]

Source code scares me so no

[unreal ether]

Ye but the enemies there are just children

😔

[dark sequoia]

lol i joke, but sadly i guess it really is true huh?

[robust shale]

AKA PUBG:Millienial--

[unreal ether]

Idk the kids are all on the roblox studio now

[deep copper]

it doesn't changes what you have to do, kill them

[dark sequoia]

Unity Tournament, and you get to play as many characters from early access games that never got finished

[robust shale]

The first Fortnite game was a zombie game. Old Pepperidge farms never forgets

[dark sequoia]

and on mobile

[deep copper]

now i am confusing lorash with mako, oof

[zinc matrix]

unity users are too elitist

they would be busy playing whatever valve throws at them

[unreal ether]

Unreal tournament singleplayer, you get to shoot newbies that wanna make mmos and AAA games

[robust shale]

they're the opposite of elitist. They like film their devlog brewing indie mocca coffe and doing some pixel art games

[dark sequoia]

lol

[zinc matrix]

true

[unreal ether]

Tbf tho moccha coffee slaps hard

[dark sequoia]

I remember when pixel art games were a unique concept that returns to oldschool styled graphics... but now thats all there ever is

at least for indie games

[unreal ether]

Japan (probably)

[zinc matrix]

"here's my pixel art platformer"

#092134831

[deep copper]

your ? i have no clue

[dark sequoia]

I recognize her visually, but have no idea what their name is nor where they came from

[robust shale]

Ah, I just use a French Press AND SELL MY SOUL TO THE ENTERPRISE DEVIL

[deep copper]

no wait i think i might have a clue... it looks like it's from that blood blood anime

[unreal ether]

Good album

[dark sequoia]

I at least know that the character is indeed a female, but alrighty

[deep copper]

what's klk

[dark sequoia]

unless im confusing them with another generic moeblob anime character with glasses, cause to be fair there are tons of them

[quasi mantle]

I forgot the anime title, but I'm sure she had hidden powers

[robust shale]

I mean I don't want to diss Unity, I'm like the world oldest c# programmer and really really wanted to like it. But half is indie devs doing pixel game, which is what unity is good at, and the rest trying to make a 3d game, which unity is not good at

[deep copper]

ah no not that

[quasi mantle]

YES

[deep copper]

Yes that the blood blood anime

[quasi mantle]

Back then it was the shit

[deep copper]

see, she does blood things

[dark sequoia]

also I liked Kill la Kill alot

Woof la Woof

[quasi mantle]

Back when Lars was more energetic ||and used ride cymbals||

[robust shale]

Kill la kill is like half between an awesome series and half between whatever the word for kinky fabric sex is

[quasi mantle]

I almost confused it with Akame Ga Kill lmao

[deep copper]

it does sound similar

[dark sequoia]

i never watched that one, but it has nice fanart :3

especially the violent stuff

[deep copper]

2, kill la kill has 2 kill

[robust shale]

Anyways the best anime series is obviously Macross Plus

[deep copper]

that's 66.66% of similarities, based on word

[robust shale]

Ok ok, I agree, tough

[dark sequoia]

The Pee Pee Poo Poo Man

[quasi mantle]

I heard many things about Macross series, said it was kinda progenitor to anime idols?

[deep copper]

if we go by letter that's even higher

[robust shale]

I wouldnt compare Made In Abyss with Macross Plus

[quasi mantle]

I might confuse it with other old anime that had singing characters...

[robust shale]

Also Made In Abyss gets a little CP

[median wraith]

https://twitter.com/AenderLara/status/1514683643708547080

Aender Lara 🍩 (@AenderLara)

Importing 3D objects be like...

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[quasi mantle]

Made In Abyss was edgy, but I liked it back then

[deep copper]

...i don't remember names aaa

[dark sequoia]

chocolate pudding :3

[robust shale]

The visuals in Made in Abyss tho.... so amaz

[quasi mantle]

I don't think MIA visuals are replicatable in realtime 3D

[dark sequoia]

Made In Unity

[quasi mantle]

Made in Diversity

YES

Diversity Engine

[dark sequoia]

you should make your anime game like Elden Ring

[deep copper]

noseless..?

[quasi mantle]

I wonder if there's any mom gossip club talking about Elden Ring by now

[dark sequoia]

which is like Genshin, which is like Breath of the Wild... so im actually semi serious heh

[quasi mantle]

Gamer moms talking about Elden Ring

[dark sequoia]

but Elden Ring will likely take BotW's place when it comes to RPG open world inspirations for the next couple of years or more

also no, they are talking about Minions memes

[quasi mantle]

Personally I'm taking inspirations from Square Enix RPGs more

[median wraith]

you are a bad person

[robust shale]

I dont think there's much overlap in BOTW and Elden Ring gamers...

[quasi mantle]

But I can cook

🧑‍🍳

[dark sequoia]

sadly im not too much a fan of the turn based stuff, if thats what you mean. not sure why i could never get into them

[quasi mantle]

A man who can make cakes, and play drums, and make games

[median wraith]

well that are extra points, but not gonna save you

[dark sequoia]

always felt too grindy as well

[deep copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/360819200471597056/963936941278101534/Screenshot_20220413-185713_Facebook.jpg

[quasi mantle]

What more can you ask

[dark sequoia]

you cant pause Elden Ring, even if its in offline mode too, haha

[quasi mantle]

The fact that this is a mom sim makes it perfect

[dark sequoia]

which can be annoying sometimes when I have to take a massive SHIT and im getting chased by giant monsters

[deep glen]

people found a way to pause Elden Ring a couple of weeks ago

[quasi mantle]

I have an idea

[deep copper]

i stole it from jatts' meme channel

[robust shale]

I still rather enjoy renovating in Valheim, or playing Raft with a friend 🙂 Scandi games ftw! 🙂

[dark sequoia]

oh they did? ah interesting

[tired dust]

Is elden ring a good game?

[quasi mantle]

An option for the options menu to not pause the game

[deep glen]

https://gamerant.com/elden-ring-how-to-pause/
unless they patched it out

[mossy nexus]

Alt F4?

[dark sequoia]

its very good, yeah

[deep copper]

haha never thought i would see this type of article "how to pause a game" xD

[quasi mantle]

Call it Realtime mode, where opening command menu and pause menu won't pause the game

[dark sequoia]

"how to enjoy a game"

[robust shale]

Playing those Demon Souls games seems very stressful

[quasi mantle]

I think that's a good idea in hindsight

[quasi mantle]

I'd say it's as stressful as playing hard Doom maps in UV+

[median wraith]

good old times before we had Control Ri(n)g's

[dark sequoia]

Elden Ring is less stressful by default, due to how its open world meaning that you never really get "stuck" anywhere and theres many ways to get around situations that are difficult

lots of gameplay flexability

[mossy nexus]

Games without a pause, that's just a feckin' dumb idea. You can paint it any way you like, it's a feckin' dumb idea.

[dark sequoia]

but still yeah I agree its dumb, at least for single player stuff

[quasi mantle]

Imagine maps full of cybies and archies (e.g. Sunlust), all of the monsters are in fast mode, and item placements are in hard difficulty

[deep copper]

real life has no pause,
games have no pause
game is realistic

[robust shale]

That's very stressful 🙂 I rather like games where its like chill chill OMG SOMEONE NEEDS TO RESCUE SOMEONE. But maybe that's the pandemic talking

[quasi mantle]

But do you want Realtime mode? 😏

[mossy nexus]

I remember so many posts from people playing Elite Dangerous.. why can't I pause.. I paused the game and came back and my ship had blownup

[quasi mantle]

I can implement it, it's like flipping a switch

[deep glen]

"we have to hurry, npc's son is in a cave filled with monsters"
15 quests later
right, lets hit that cave.

[dark sequoia]

lol

[robust shale]

btw, if you have a good friend, and havent played raft. Play raft with them. By far the best chill co-op experience I've ever had

[unreal ether]

Literally fallout 4

Cant get more chill than cryo

[quasi mantle]

"What took you so long?"

[deep glen]

"phew, we made it just in time"

[unreal ether]

Looking forward to its 3rd major update

[quasi mantle]

I might implement that just for craps and giggles

[deep glen]

dem plot armor be thicc

[mossy nexus]

Nice day for fishin'

[quasi mantle]

But eh, I'm dangerously getting into feature creep

[robust shale]

We're all waiting for chapter 3... Jesus christ. I could've programmed it myself by nov 🙂

[quasi mantle]

As if an isekai game with cling cling and bang bang wasn't challenging enough to program

[dark sequoia]

I wonder if Elder Scrolls 6 is gonna be good

[unreal ether]

Yeah its only ginna be another 12 years maybe

[quasi mantle]

Hope the meme will be good.

[deep glen]

Justin Time sounds like a dc hero name.

[pearl elk]

does plot armour protect against feature creep?

[mossy nexus]

Chapter 3 is Jesus Christ? An interesting choice

[dark sequoia]

I mean honestly, I'd prefer it to be good rather than crappy but ya know..

[robust shale]

IM HERE TO KILL CHAOS 🙂

[quasi mantle]

At least I also hope Starfield is memeable

[quasi mantle]

Said PhysX.

[deep glen]

lol

[dark sequoia]

maybe Elden Ring will inspire them to approach things differently

[robust shale]

Awww, poor PhysX

[unreal ether]

Now thats a game idea

In a world destroyed by global warming, Jesus Christ is the lone survivor on a scrap raft. Can he make it to other potential survivors or will he die trying?

Give that one to manny

Apologise to my eyes for making me read that pun

[dark sequoia]

its also sad (and yet very funny) that most people dislike open world games literally only because of Ubisoft games alone lol

[mossy nexus]

You know what they say, a good pun is it's own reword.

[quasi mantle]

Wait, really?

[unreal ether]

I wouldnt be so mad if they hadnt ruined the assassins creed franchise

[dark sequoia]

well maybe not 100% but its definitely a high amount

[robust shale]

Other interesting games: Rust : Semi-shitty only multiplayer survival game where you get killed by Russians. Seven days to die: Game like feels like from 2013 where you have to survive in a zombie apocalypse but is kinda ok with a friend for a while.

[dark sequoia]

most people's complaints are mostly just Ubisoft gameplay styles and approaches

[quasi mantle]

🚪 🚚

[dark sequoia]

about how its boring and everything is given to you, like a to-do list for the game's features and missions

rather than just exploring

[unreal ether]

Rust is toxic incarnate.. its like bathing in a nuclear waste dump

[mossy nexus]

Ubisoft seems to only have one style of open world. Let me introduce you to a big tower/tree/building you can climb up and get a magical view of things.

[quasi mantle]

🚶‍♀️ 🚚

👿 ⚔️ 🏃‍♀️

Life of isekai in emojis

[dark sequoia]

lmao yeah like I dont know if it was intentional, but the tower stuff is like a running joke in Ubisoft games

[mossy nexus]

It's very intentional

[pearl elk]

you mean like Fallout 76

[quasi mantle]

Assassin's Creed started it (I think)

[robust shale]

Yeah rust is bad, but if you see it as all other players are really good/toxic ai and you just need to survive its pretty good

[dark sequoia]

intended to be a running thing I mean, rather than them being intendedly lazy (sorry if that makes no sense but it does in my head at least)

[unreal ether]

Fallout 76 is nowherr near as bad

[quasi mantle]

What about Ruby?

[dark sequoia]

yup, that is correct

[robust shale]

Ruby?

[dark sequoia]

and then continued in Far Cry 3, and then pretty much every other game onward for those franchises (and other ones)

[unreal ether]

The legacy users can be annoying but its nowhere near as bad as rust

[pearl elk]

Ubisoft made fun of themselves, not sure which game but one of them pokes fun at having to climb a tower

[robust shale]

God, the company who fired half its staff because the didnt accept politicalt discussion at work 🙂

[dark sequoia]

that being said, the tower mechanic is smart and makes sense and I dont mind them. i think its more about how they are approached... in BotW it was more rewarding and a great thing to find

[quasi mantle]

Far Cry 3 BD?

I might remembering Far Cry, as that game has room for humours

[pearl elk]

Well you dont climb them in later games so maybe it was one of those

[robust shale]

Ubisoft feels like one of the most enterprisey of gaming companies. Like I can EASILY imagine how it is to be workiing there

No No, I wish. Think this was more Trump alignment 😛

[dark sequoia]

back in my day, Far Cry was just a game about mutant monsters and sci-fi experiments! they should bring all that back tbh

[unreal ether]

I mean far cry 3 did have the radio towers

And towers in assassins creed are pretty much a given

Goddamnit these puns

[dark sequoia]

pretty much yeah, which is why they can get away with it

[unreal ether]

I didnt sign up to #lounge to be tortured damnit

[pearl elk]

What was Assassins Creed about again, time travel or somethin

[zinc matrix]

should we question the humanity of those who believe in things such as nft games?

[dark sequoia]

they can literally make any type of game they want, due to the theme of their series... technically

[deep copper]

make puns yourself, take revenge

[unreal ether]

Think it was about a creed of assassins but i aint sure

[dark sequoia]

which is a bad thing, because it means they can develop games that arent Far Cry at all and then slap the name on it for a quick buck... you know, like they did with Far Cry 6, which most people believe

[robust shale]

I've played Valheim with some Ubisoft Montreal people. They were like "Oh, so this is what it's like playing a game that has a soul"

[quasi mantle]

Basically roleplaying as your ancestors

[dark sequoia]

Assassins Creed was about the memories of ancestors yeah

and a machine that lets you tap into it

but then they stopped doing that and just stuck with it taking place in the past rather than trying to connect the future anymore, last i checked

[quasi mantle]

Ubisoft is too much focused on annual open worlds

Maybe they should've go back to open worlds but every two years

[oblique cloak]

Not spam, just typed this.. I guess this is a REAL give away from intel, it's on there front page. Intel® Game Dev Programhttps://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/topic-technology/gamedev/overview.html If you click Join the program, you can register your game and Intel is giving away $50,000 of game development hardware! <@&213101288538374145> <--- put this somewhere useful for the community to sign up for

[dark sequoia]

spam!

[oblique cloak]

seems cool

naw

[robust shale]

Assassin Creed is such a mindless grind to prolong game time to sell cosmetics... I guess?

[quasi mantle]

Spam!

[oblique cloak]

i aint no spammer

lol

[dark sequoia]

lol

[deep copper]

i didn't see you typing

lier

liar

[oblique cloak]

right? >_<

[deep copper]

lair?

[rocky wharf]

🙂

[mossy nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spam-lite-food-spinning-gif-17955332

[quasi mantle]

Though I don't know if I should take that or Epic Grants first

[oblique cloak]

i got to make a video of my progress >_<

[dark sequoia]

Assassins Creed games were very fun for the time they came out but then it got old after awhile... the last good game of the series was Assassins Creed 2 I believe, because after that it got more generic and the story got more convoluted/lame

[oblique cloak]

ill take what i can get, if i win something that would be pretty cool

[robust shale]

I firmly believe that no game that's done extensive devlogs will ever be succesful

[deep copper]

i have seen memes of wall climbing mechanics in assassin creeds and that's all

[dark sequoia]

memz

[oblique cloak]

thats ez to make tho.

all ik placements.

[dark sequoia]

to be fair the climbing stuff is very cool, at least when it was new anyway

[foggy path]

Factorio has made a bunch of devlogs 🤔

[quasi mantle]

Assassins Creed Origins is the point it goes downhill

[dark sequoia]

ah

[oblique cloak]

exactly, it was cool in fallen order too

[deep copper]

so it fails to climb walls

[quasi mantle]

I mean ffs Valhalla is too grounded for an AC game

[dark sequoia]

Assassin's Creed: 2020

[pearl elk]

Axing Creed

[quasi mantle]

"Hey, Frank, am I getting insurance for this pun?"

[deep copper]

"walls aren't the only thing it can't climb i guess" would've been better phrasing ig

[foggy path]

That Intel Game Dev thing seemed interesting

[deep copper]

will you apply?

[dark sequoia]

it had good intel

[foggy path]

no because I don't live in the five countries it allows you to live in

:P

[pearl elk]

this is why you need towers

[foggy path]

always read TOS before signing up for anything like this, guaranteed to have fun surprises in there that they never say up front

[dark sequoia]

TOWER CAPTURED

[quasi mantle]

Can you screenshot it? Somehow I can't load the site

[foggy path]

this is the part I was referring to at least

okay so there are a few more than five countries but for some bizarre reason Sweden is included but not Finland? Like... why?

:P

[dark sequoia]

in Elden Ring I sadly sequence broke my game and thus missed out on a segment of the game lol oopz

I guess thats what happens when using a bug to make your horse float to the highest mountain of the game without progressing story :p

[deep copper]

i thought it had no quests

[quasi mantle]

Asia only include India, Taiwan, and South Korea? Yikes

[dark sequoia]

it does

[foggy path]

Bizarrely it also filters out specific regions of some places like Canada or Australia

[quasi mantle]

I'd rather try for Epic Mega Grants

[dark sequoia]

its just not marked for you thats all, but there are indeed quests and goals

and 3/4th of the world can be reached without completing a single quest nor beating a boss

[deep copper]

maybe it's costly to transfer money there lol

[foggy path]

Sounds about right

[dark sequoia]

that last 4th of the map can be reached with a horse flying glitch, which I had done lol

[foggy path]

Tbh I suspect gambling or data collection legislation :P

[deep copper]

hey that's neat

[dark sequoia]

yeah and its actually a gameplay technique to do that, to find high level items early on

in case the game is too hard for you

but even that in itself is hard because you gotta dodge all the high level enemies

hard in a fun way, that is

[pearl elk]

aww why am I excluded

[deep copper]

so it's cheating with downsides

[quasi mantle]

At least send the money or local representative

[dark sequoia]

its in the game, so its not cheating :p

in fact, that is the game's "easy" difficulty

which is to approach it in such ways

the difficulty is how you approach the game, pretty much

[deep copper]

flying horses ? well, it has noseless chars so i guess anything goes

[dark sequoia]

well not that

that part is cheating yeah lmao

[deep copper]

ohh xD

[dark sequoia]

well more like an exploit

since its an in-game bug, rather than a hack or something

[pearl elk]

Pegasus

[unreal ether]

i mean i could apply for that thing but i dont have a website lmao

[dark sequoia]

and even then, it was really hard to do in itself

[unreal ether]

i should probably make one

[dark sequoia]

in some ways, harder than playing it normally

[deep copper]

you are a hard-core gamer ig

[dark sequoia]

but i did it anyway cause i wanted to, and it was indeed pretty fun and cool to get working

[oblique cloak]

I miss the old wall hack in skyrim. you where able to take a plate and ram the wall and go through it and steal from the shops chests underneath.. that was such a fun bug back in 2014

[dark sequoia]

damn im good

was that bug fixed?

[quasi mantle]

At least Epic MegaGrant hand over money first, and a CPU being optional

I'm planning to ask for $50K for hardware and paying local contributors full time for a year

[dark sequoia]

cause if it was, thats surprising considering Bethesda

[unreal ether]

i do wanna chase a megagrant for my current project but only a small amount

maybe $3k or so, just so i can maybe pay someone for some ui, and get some advertising

[dark sequoia]

when i did the horse glitch, some peeps on my server watched me do it while i was streaming it. was pretty fun heh

[oblique cloak]

lol i feel this. why not set up a .... what is that gofundme for gamedevs

[unreal ether]

gofundme has a bad rep

[oblique cloak]

no not that

[unreal ether]

a lot of games on crowdfunders are scams

[oblique cloak]

i forgot the name

[unreal ether]

you mean indiegogo

even then

a lot end up being scams

i don't wanna risk giving myself a bad name

i can make the game without the funding, it would just let me do a lil extra with it

[quasi mantle]

Crowdfunding nowadays is getting more difficult than it should be

One actual accident and you'll be marked as dishonest

[unreal ether]

^

all iot takes is one minor screwup and im ruined

plus if it ever got big, which is unlikely

i dont think i'd be able to meet the demands of people

[oblique cloak]

cyberpunk was crowd funded right?

[unreal ether]

well look how that turned out...

[quasi mantle]

CP2077? Nope

[unreal ether]

but i dont think so

its a AAA studio

they made the Witcher 3, they can make their own damn game

[quasi mantle]

CD Projekt is publicly traded

[oblique cloak]

Ahhh

[quasi mantle]

Hence pressure from public investors

[oblique cloak]

RELEASE NOW! is what they said

[unreal ether]

(and the community crying)

[oblique cloak]

that game on release tho xD

[unreal ether]

but tbf with all of the setbacks it still should have been better

[zinc matrix]

some communities are the worst

[oblique cloak]

I dont EVEN want to know what the content folder looks like in unreal engine...

[zinc matrix]

they don't even know what developers are 99% of the time

[quasi mantle]

The marketing also have to get a bit of the blame

[unreal ether]

if they had to push back that many times and it was still a buggy mess, i would hate to see what it looked like near original launch date

[deep copper]

kicktart?

s*

[oblique cloak]

kickstarter! yessss

[unreal ether]

oh? not indiegogo?

[deep copper]

Kickstarter was popular for games

[foggy path]

I liked Cyberpunk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep copper]

no idea why

[dark sequoia]

ScamStarter

[cursive crypt]

The genre or that bad game?

[unreal ether]

ye the one reason i woudlnt do it, is because if you don't live up to expectations then people witch hunt ya, or brand you a scammer

[oblique cloak]

I just don't like the concept of modern day or futuristic open cites unless its midevilish, or starwarsish.

[unreal ether]

even then there are lots of scams

but people keep donating to the scams so idk

[dark sequoia]

cuz they dum

[oblique cloak]

i see ukrane scams all over twitter....

[deep copper]

i recall reading here before that "start a game"
"get funding"
"declare you can't make it"
...
"profit"

[dark sequoia]

now a days its the same thing, except with NFTs included!

[deep copper]

reminds me, yt said it won't monetize ukr related stuff that go against ukr

[dark sequoia]

yt shouldnt monetize for either side imho, but thats a different topic entirely heh

[oblique cloak]

Any AAA studio that uses NFTs for skins in the future, should be boycotted from buying the actual game.

[dark sequoia]

yt loves supporting leftist content for example, but always trying to silence the right. same on twitter

[unreal ether]

i mean i agree, but when has a game boycott actually worked

everyone says they arent gonna buy x game, but everyone does anyway

[oblique cloak]

COD 4 years ago lol

[dark sequoia]

it worked for Stalker 2, and it didnt even come out yet!

it was going to have NFTs and people complained, so it was promptly undone (not that it matters for the game anymore now, as we know)

[deep copper]

it also said it's removing extreme stuff of that side, so not just monetization issue

[unreal ether]

i mean the stalker nft idea was funny tbh

buy the expensive nft and get photoscanned in game

they didnt state any rules, so could someone just show up nude?

or wear a clown outfit?

get photoscanned while doing a handstand?

[dark sequoia]

or an NFT monkey man

[unreal ether]

the stalker one had potentail

the onyl nft ive liked

cause i imagine the stupid things you could do

[dark sequoia]

to be fair, you can just do that with mods but I can see the appeal if done officially yeah

[unreal ether]

ye but with mods, everyone doesnt have to see it

[dark sequoia]

ah, true

[unreal ether]

imagine just tryina enjoy the game but some npc keeps following you doing a handstand

[oblique cloak]

opens npcs shop, its all nfts...

[unreal ether]

"i used to be an adventurer like you, until they flipped me upside down"

[median wraith]

there is people in stream playing this game with a music controller ? lol

[unreal ether]

dance dance ringvolution

[dark sequoia]

lol wtf

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1215390/view/3088912632694333007

also theres this (this game is amazing btw)

[oblique cloak]

Anything to try and get viewers these days

[pearl elk]

Im too Elden for that controller

[unreal ether]

i saw a minecraft server the other day advertising "skyblock but you can earn real crypto"

[dark sequoia]

lol

btw funny enough, that game I posted there has an original monster within it that is sold on the Unreal and Unity asset stores lol

and I didnt notice until sometime after playing it, but thats neat to see people's assets actually get used :p

still lazy of course for the devs, you could argue, but neat for the asset's creator I mean

[oblique cloak]

This is why i am doing all my own animations, buying all my weapon models from artstations and other sources. I dont want to be called a hack or lazy.

[dark sequoia]

lol

i mean it depends really. I think its fine for indie games, because its understandable

due to time constraints, and all that

[oblique cloak]

control rig requires no skill to animate with.

so why not?

lol

[dark sequoia]

its all about how it is utilized really

and in that game, the monster is utilized pretty good for what it is

[oblique cloak]

i seen a game on steam that stole all arks anims and meshes..

what was the name of it 😮

[dark sequoia]

oh.. yeah stealing is a different thing entirely, and yeah definitely no good

[quasi mantle]

Both are essentially the same

Except indiegogo lets fraudsters run amok

[unreal ether]

yeah but they said one indie focused so thats where my mind went

[dark sequoia]

oh heres the monster btw, thankfully theres a wiki

https://animal-revolt-battle-sim.fandom.com/wiki/Scourge

[oblique cloak]

Alright time to cash that paycheck and buy some assets xD

[dark sequoia]

this guy can be bought in the Unreal and Unity store, heh

[quasi mantle]

IGG doesn't have refund protection, and flexible goals, so fraudsters would use it to their advantage

[unreal ether]

oh damn

[quasi mantle]

Also not to mention scam campaign using fixed goals (which means funding only withdrawed once it meets the goal), but have rigged backings

But usually that's more on the hardware scam side of things more than games

[unreal ether]

insert air umbrella

even though that was kickstarter but point remains

[ocean parcel]

wow you're always here do you ever sleep @quasi mantle !? :O

[dark sequoia]

heh

[quasi mantle]

Well, I'm in Far East time zones

[dark sequoia]

if ur far east enough, that becomes west

[ocean parcel]

i was just about to go back and continue reading the convo you guys were having last night cause i found it so interesting.

[dark sequoia]

🙃

[ocean parcel]

i swear that would've still been like really really early for you though xD

[dark sequoia]

@quasi mantle one thing I like the most about openworld games/RPGs is the ability to KILL anyone you want D;

make sure you add that to your game too! lol jk

[quasi mantle]

Well, free roam killing would be nice, but I don't know how to make it more consequential tbh

[dark sequoia]

although thats challenging when you're trying to do a story

[quasi mantle]

Yes

[dark sequoia]

which is some of the main issues for Bethesda games

where its so free that the story feels pointless or weird at times

[quasi mantle]

At some point, the gang, which were mostly bounty hunters, would be recognised by the kingdom.

It's difficult as well because Nala's traumatic past was ||hit and run accident||

[dark sequoia]

ah I see

[zinc matrix]

how do you teach someone ue4

[quasi mantle]

Felt more difficult to at least making sense on killing non hostile NPCs in free roam

[dark sequoia]

watching youtube videos and lots of experimenting

thats how I learned

[quasi mantle]

Teach em to abuse Event Tick

[zinc matrix]

:)

[dark sequoia]

lel

[zinc matrix]

[quasi mantle]

And also use kismet libs in C++

Instead of using the direct functions

[dark sequoia]

woof?

[zinc matrix]

woof

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-dancing-crazy-cat-dance-moves-too-cool-i-got-this-gif-14504785

[dark sequoia]

kismet libs... more like, kissme lips

damn im good

but yeah in Elden Ring the story is able to allow flexability for if you kill random people

[soft night]

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