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#lounge
cursive crypt
cursive crypt
shell rapids
well anyways, that took an unexpected yet satisfying tangent
shell rapids
My statement regard unity vs unreal technically wasn’t really work related - it was a statement of opinion. But I guess I can see my initial question about “fbx => eol” falling under work.
Of course, to nit pick… 🧐😉
“This is the place for off-topic discussions. Kick back, hang out, and talk about anything. …” 😁
celest musk
maybe they said that because most software uses internal bridges nowadays?!
(which while some under the hood actually do the same xD)
quasi mantle
My statement regard unity vs unreal technically wasn’t really work related - it ...
Unity had better chances with other file formats like glTF or even .blend files, at least having native importers at all
shell rapids
Ah, the blender files! That’s right! I forgot… 😜
shell rapids
Maybe they don’t because of licensing? I mean… GPL. (not to tickle ryobg’s feet here) There’s probably a plugin for it. The file format is pretty trivial… and clever.
quasi mantle
Though I'm inclined to think FBX is more trustworthy as far as 3d data file goes
Also considering every DCC tool can do FBX (and OBJ) too, without additional plugins
celest musk
isn't epic even founding blender org?
quasi mantle
Dealing with .blender file for programs is fucking painful
At least glTF is more tolerable
quasi mantle
isn't epic even founding blender org?
They donate, not invest
shell rapids
But DNA…
quasi mantle
I'm sure as far as Epic would concerned it's just one of another noteworthy open source project worthy of MegaGrants
shell rapids
MegaGrants for VR sculpting please! 🙏🏻
quasi mantle
They donate to Blender Foundation under the MegaGrants programme, so they don't charge for investment on Blender Foundation
celest musk
make an engine plugin which imports blend files, grab megagrant, profit!
shell rapids
Could certainly do a file parse, but doing a data port is another story.
celest musk
guess reading/interpreting the blend file is the easy part
shell rapids
Yup
celest musk
actually creating the data in unreal is where the pain starts to become intense
quasi mantle
Not to mention: MODIFIERS
But eh, nobody gives a shit about the modifiers, ignore them on import, ez clap
quasi mantle
🇳 anite
zinc matrix
I used to be a weeb
shell rapids
I know that glyph’s meaning, but not it’s reading… 😑
deep copper
"nana"
zinc matrix
but then I became a ouiaboo
shell rapids
Right now, I’m personally interested in Chinese culture - for the historical fantasy game my cofounder and I are exploring.
celest musk
have you been there?
shell rapids
No, but my cofounder is native to there
celest musk
ok
deep copper
sounds nice, goodluck with 50k hanzi or 8k or 3k whatever you want
celest musk
maybe start smol and go to an chinese restaurant first
quasi mantle
I know that glyph’s meaning, but not it’s reading… 😑
Get it
Nanite
nanaito
なないと
七-いと
shell rapids
Oh gotcha!
quasi mantle
七 = 7
shell rapids
Right, my brains isn’t working - really late
deep copper
sleep sleep
shell rapids
sounds nice, goodluck with 50k hanzi or 8k or 3k whatever you want
I actually have these books on my wish list right now: http://www.chinasprout.com/shop/BLP376
Okay, sleep time! 😆💤
zinc matrix
khazar history is weird lol
deep copper
I actually have these books on my wish list right now: http://www.chinasprout.co...
that seems like it's fully in Chinese 🤔
shell rapids
Full immersion! 😉 I already have 5K Japanese Kanji indexed in tree form. (That was a painful two months) Then I found these books… 😑
zinc matrix
I should keep learning french
deep copper
khazar history is weird lol
... what's it about
zinc matrix
it isn't too hard once you get in the mindset of "shut up and accept it"
that's for most languages really
deep copper
Full immersion! 😉 _I already have 5K Japanese Kanji indexed in tree form._ (Tha...
that's nice, have some sleep now
zinc matrix
for example
there is not really a word for 70 in french
instead it's sixty-ten (soixante-dix)
71 is soixante-onze etc.
then 80 is 4-20 (quatre-vingt)
90 is quatre-vingt-dix
deep copper
oh yeah, i have heard about french having such oddities
zinc matrix
then the rest is pretty easy
deep copper
but historically it made sense
celest musk
that explains why english isn't that popular over there
deep copper
we don't have onetyone or threetythree so, English mostly has spelling based exceptions mainly, in numbers ig
but hey on the brighter side English is fully base 10, unlike french with base 10 + base 20 or something
zinc matrix
it's only the numbers 70-99 which are weird
saying a hundred, or a thousand something is easy
2022 is just deux-mille-vingt-deux
literally two-thousand-twenty-two
celest musk
how about 2080?
deep copper
i like how languages can't suddenly make big changes due to backwards compatibility so it's just, like that
zinc matrix
whisper RTX2080 in my left ear
err teh x deux-mille-quatre-vingt
deep copper
the translator said it weird
zinc matrix
they use counters...
deep copper
japanese counting is straight forward (I think)
yeah it has very few exceptions
zinc matrix
so if you're counting pens you need to use the counter word for long objects
or something like that
zinc matrix
it just says deux-zero-huit-zero
that's like saying RTX 2-0-8-0 which I'm yet to see someone do
celest musk
yea, apparently they dont go over 10 on thousands or over hundred??
deep copper
zefo
zinc matrix
yea, apparently they dont go over 10 on thousands or over hundred??
well 11,000 is onze mille
so I guess not
200k is just deux cent mille
zinc matrix
would sure be nice to hide stuff in your vault
so much stuff I'll never use from years ago
celest musk
the whole engine part of the epic game store needs an overhaul
zinc matrix
maybe instead of UE6 we'll get that in about 7 years time
unborn lotus
vault folders 😦
deep copper
reminds me, didn't blender recently made asset picking easier
with a , asset browser
an*
thick belfry
the whole engine part of the epic game store needs an overhaul
Epic just a small indie team
celest musk
yea brother, they did
never used it tho 😄
at least linux has the better (3rd party) access to the vault 😄
zinc matrix
Why can't adding anything just be like quixel bridge
yes, it has bugs at times
but it's fairly straight-forward in my limited experience
verbal junco
ok hear me out.... tree view with asset categories
deep copper
what's adding stuff there like?
celest musk
assets already have categories in the webstore
they would just been used to categorize the assets in your vault, too
also that thing needs better caching.... everytime i open it in the EGS it takes a while to load
celest musk
they can handle millions of triangles, but when it comes to 100 assets the whole EGS chokes
cursive crypt
cursive crypt
fluid bloom
verbal junco
is everyone here a fan of cars or something I wonder 🤔
zinc matrix
foggy path
zinc matrix
zinc matrix
is everyone here a fan of cars or something I wonder 🤔
I prefer planes
but I can't find any drifting
so a volvo will have to suffice
quasi mantle
is everyone here a fan of cars or something I wonder 🤔
I like cars
And I can't drive one (yet)
zinc matrix
what is "car culture" in Indonesia like?
deep copper
if Mako can't drive it yet then it's probably not a fast car culture
deep copper
noo
zinc matrix
but I can't find any drifting
how?
look at this drift baby
where it is heading, i wonder
now boat drifting is on another level
deep copper
scary scary
quasi mantle
what is "car culture" in Indonesia like?
Cars (not trucks) are pretty much a tertiary, luxury thing.
Most of the time vehicles on the road are motorbikes.
verbal junco
I remember renting one of those in thailand
was good fun even though nobody respects traffic
deep copper
huh? odd, so can you drive a motorbike then?
quasi mantle
huh? odd, so can you drive a motorbike then?
Yes
deep copper
it kinda goes well with your getup tbh xD
quasi mantle
Guess I'm kind of a biker then
deep copper
no proper gif result for biker hoodie 🤔 , weird
quasi mantle
Well, most of them wear leather jackets
(or one of those more generic biker jackets)
mossy nexus
I see Eleon Musk has made an offer to buy all of Twitter now
deep copper
yes, 47 billion was it
no it's 40 billion
no wait 41 or 43... every article is different
zinc matrix
ok just hands off epic pls
mossy nexus
$54.20 per share
deep copper
right, explains why it's not a fixed price then
neat sluice
zinc matrix
I've seen worse servers. Good thanks how are You?
quasi mantle
imagining all this drums and only play slowest kick & snare backbeat at 60 BPM
deep copper
imagining all this drums and only play slowest kick & snare backbeat at 60 BPM
that's like the flat modern minimal ui equivalent of drums ig
deep copper
i mean like, you have the tools to do everything but you choose to do less
quasi mantle
i mean like, you have the tools to do everything but you choose to do less
Well, it's basically 80s ballad rock drummers in a nutshell lol
quasi mantle
You see some slow rock song videos, and the main beats are so simple
quasi mantle
oh yeah, but they did have occasional drum fills right
Even then often times it's not making use large part of the setup
||also AC/DC, barely any toms lol||
Though my dream kit setup above is pretty much mix of prog rock/metal and jazz fusion
deep copper
You see some slow rock song videos, and the main beats are so simple
there are slow rock songs ...?
quasi mantle
there are slow rock songs ...?
They flourish like no tomorrow throughout the 80s
deep copper
Even then often times it's not making use large part of the setup
||also AC/DC, ...
is ac/dc some group
quasi mantle
is ac/dc some group
An Aussie rock band that's kinda known for rather samey drum patterns
I think Back in Black has no toms at all. Just a slow backbeat of kick and snare and 1/16th hihat (or rather 1/8th depends on who transcribe it). The fills are just kick, snare, and two cymbals.
Phil Rudd's playing is, well, rather unique in simplistic way
deep copper
I think Back in Black has no toms at all. Just a slow backbeat of kick and snare...
toms are rather missing now a days i think
quasi mantle
toms are rather missing now a days i think
On pop, mostly yes.
deep copper
They flourish like no tomorrow throughout the 80s
huh, i suppose there's gotta be an audience for that, since it grew during those times
quasi mantle
toms are rather missing now a days i think
Rock and jazz still make use of the toms
deep copper
so what new prison do you frequent now?
quasi mantle
huh, i suppose there's gotta be an audience for that, since it grew during those...
So much so, they're often hit the top charts
deep copper
Rock and jazz still make use of the toms
meanwhile edm either overuses it or forgets it entirely
quasi mantle
meanwhile edm either overuses it or forgets it entirely
EDMs rarely use acoustic drums anyway.
It's either electronic drums played live (still a rarity, somehow), or just sequenced drum patterns
Though on certain EDM derived genres, toms do get used. Particularly on the more future funk side of the spectrum (as it's derived from 80s pop/disco). But it's still not much
rough lotus
<@424326510078459918> please respect the <#809148428922781737>
Ok, this problem has been here for long and cant find a solution
deep copper
EDMs rarely use acoustic drums anyway.
It's either electronic drums played live ...
oh i meant something along the lines of sampled toms or something, well it's never going to be a real drum kit recording ..
i suppose sequenced drum kit fits that
🏚️
quasi mantle
oh i meant something along the lines of sampled toms or something, well it's nev...
Some lesser known artist might throw in real drum kit recording into the mix, but yea, it's minority
Though it'd be more prevalent for EDM/synthwave songs that throw in influence from 80s pop/disco song
deep copper
imagining all this drums and only play slowest kick & snare backbeat at 60 BPM
either way, is that bigger white circle the tom, or the black dot one
quasi mantle
either way, is that bigger white circle the tom, or the black dot one
Both black dot and white heads are toms
Remo seem to only make fully black heads for snares so yeah
deep copper
imagining all this drums and only play slowest kick & snare backbeat at 60 BPM
now that i look at it, is that some vr drum thing
cursive crypt
quasi mantle
now that i look at it, is that some vr drum thing
No, just a drum kit configurator
Basically plotting dream drum kit
deep copper
never thought that would be a thing
is that for price estimation and distance approximation?
quasi mantle
is that for price estimation and distance approximation?
Neither, actually
But just for plotting drum kit configuration, so that you have better idea on your dream kit, visually.
deep copper
huh, i guess that has some uses
quasi mantle
Particularly for drummers
deep copper
i always thought there was a standard drum kit position
so once muscle memory is done you just sit anywhere even if blindfolded and you can do it
quasi mantle
i always thought there was a standard drum kit position
Well, for entry level kits, yes.
Once you're getting more serious with drumming, sooner or later, you'll going to build your own setup the way you want it.
Oh wait
Remo does actually make all black drum heads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_MKDPv1sFE
unreal ether
I could never be a drummer lol, sometimes my sense of rythm is non existant
deep copper
it kinda looks cool
deep copper
I could never be a drummer lol, sometimes my sense of rythm is non existant
it looks fun to smash
but yeah, pro drumming is definitely going to be complicated
fleet tangle
Oh wait
Remo does actually make all black drum heads
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
If I get this, do I have to join... the dark side.
unreal ether
it looks fun to smash
Yeah being a bad drummer looks fun
quasi mantle
If I get this, do I have to join... the dark side.
Maybe
unreal ether
Feel sorry for the drummers in metal bands
Their arms must ache so much after a gig
quasi mantle
Yeah being a bad drummer looks fun
Being occasionally play drums, I can confirm it's quite a fun thing
quasi mantle
Their arms must ache so much after a gig
The feet would be even more so, especially when you get into more extreme territory.
unreal ether
Oh good forgot about the pedal drum
quasi mantle
Extreme metal had more emphasis on constant double kick and sometimes blast beat, more so than thrash metal with emphasis on fills
quasi mantle
Personally I prefer double kick more than double pedal for single kick
As for why I prefer all black heads, well reflecting my waifu's icon colour lol
Also another all black heads from Remo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aySBthyaH58
Seems like the difference is that Ebony is 1 ply, while Black Suede is 2 ply
tbh I prefer the warmer tone of 2 ply batter heads
quasi mantle
Well, Ebony heads are reflective, but the sound is too "open" to my liking, at least for snare and toms. For kick drums, it sounded fine
For snare and toms, I'd go for Black Suede ones all the way
I guess the slightly muffled sounds of 2 ply fits more within jazz fusion context
deep copper
... they sound like drums to me
zinc matrix
EDMs rarely use acoustic drums anyway.
It's either electronic drums played live ...
drum n bass uses real drums too
quasi mantle
... they sound like drums to me
Well, the batter heads make a difference on the sounds. If you listen to a lot of drums (and like me, focused more on the drums), you'll notice the sound differences between the batter head types
They're the ones that directly hit by the drumsticks, so the type of the batter head make more significant difference on the sound
deep copper
Well, the batter heads make a difference on the sounds. If you listen to a lot o...
that's, neat
quasi mantle
drum n bass uses real drums too
There are some group that just consist of the drummer and the bassist.
Drum and bass in more literal sense
zinc matrix
There are some group that just consist of the drummer and the bassist.
Drum and ...
never heard any
actually drum'n'bass rarely uses real drums too...
it is super interesting how drums fits in music
they usually are not tuned into the instruments, and they are almost in any genre of music
i mean, percussion, not drums
deep copper
they are a very neat rhythmically rich element
zinc matrix
yeah, that loopy whitish noise
quasi mantle
they are a very neat rhythmically rich element
Even with limited range of notes, one can still make interesting music with drums.
||Especially if you have lots of toms||
zinc matrix
very hard to notice most of the time
unless is octaves higher or low
how can you run GTK Radiant without having wolfenstein?
can you use doom, quake game files for it?
or is there any other cool engine that makes games look like shit?
fathom wadi
you can make models look like old models with just a shader to emulate low poly
zinc matrix
yeah, but not the same as using old software
deep copper
if it's too old there would be no support :(
quasi mantle
most percussion have a pitch as well
Well, it's more prevalent on drums, since you can tune them
At least for the kick, snare, and toms
Yes, drum tuning exists, and it's just as important as tuning guitar or acoustic piano
zinc matrix
managed to get radiant working
bad idea
ugly and feels weird
rather try some architecture top down painting software
or blender
😄
deep copper
why are you doing it
zinc matrix
any suggestions?
deep copper
idk three js was quite popular a while back
unborn lotus
i think we need to step back
that leaves much more to the imagination 🤟
deep copper
deep copper
how do you run it or what to use to compile files?
i have no idea, it runs on web, download some example and play around ig idk
cursive crypt
zinc matrix
i have no idea, it runs on web, download some example and play around ig idk
yeah checking it out
ivory lodge
I've been on fire lately.
zinc matrix
how do you import it
saved as hmtl
but it gives error
syntax error, unexpected token
deep copper
how do you import it
no idea, i have never used it lol
deep copper
I've been on fire lately.
with code?
zinc matrix
well I try to import and nothing happens
ivory lodge
@deep copper Yes! I got cars working last night so I'm ready to clean up all my interaction code.
I've implemented the Character Interaction project in the Gameplay Ability System.
deep copper
well I try to import and nothing happens
did you try the cdn method or npm or what
deep copper
I've implemented the Character Interaction project in the Gameplay Ability Syste...
that's awesome man ! good going :D
zinc matrix
and import in the three js web editor
ivory lodge
Why doesn't Windows do that?
deep copper
and import in the three js web editor
hmm idk, i can only suggest try the cdn method from here https://threejs.org/docs/#manual/en/introduction/Installation for ease
cursive crypt
Fun fact, Launcher busying itself on 100% of one core
w/o doing anything, fresh start
deep copper
such springy eyes of clip
shell rapids
deep copper
shiny..
shell rapids
zinc matrix
To install the three npm module, open a terminal window in your project folder and run:
npm install --save three
i can't get it working
there are example files in three js folder, but they are empty and not showing anything
shell rapids
I haven’t had success in the past using npm for non-nodejs server projects. For threejs, I would just download the three.min.js file and then include the script in a basic html webpage setup.
zinc matrix
I have three.js is same folder, but html example html files are not working
shell rapids
Try downloading one of the working examples from threejs.org/examples. There are also some good online tutorials for getting started.
Matter.js is 2D and perhaps easier for getting started with web graphics imo.
zinc matrix
you need to put them on server?
shell rapids
Not really
zinc matrix
i downloaded three.js-master from website and it has all example files
what else am I missing lol
foggy path
https://tenor.com/view/windows-gif-19668884
Why is there a chinese tiktok of windows 95 man lol
ocean parcel
guys my new seeds came today. :)
deep copper
crush it
torpid star
I just got done with some late night work and am waiting for some food
The driver has not moved in 30 minutes
:(
quasi mantle
It seems like Discord now has quick account switch feature
celest musk
It seems like Discord now has quick account switch feature
they added that quite a while ago?!
or was it only deployed to a bunch of users?
quasi mantle
or was it only deployed to a bunch of users?
Likely only bunch of users, because I'm just getting it now
celest musk
there's virtual joystick
iirc it's part of the engine
no, unreal
what does it have to do with java?
honestly if you start programming, you should start with pc as target platform
any other target platform makes it just more difficult and may demotivate you
foggy path
oof, I hope you didn't pay much for that compiler because if you use a terminal emulator on your phone you can just use gcc :P
celest musk
unless, you have some engine which has a common api for both platforms
quasi mantle
honestly if you start programming, you should start with pc as target platform
Yeah, programming for Android is a bitch
celest musk
yes unreal has it's own "framework" which should be used, it makes things easier for you as developer
and it is necessary if you want to develop for multiple platforms, as they all have their quirks
quasi mantle
Terminal Emulator + GCC = free
I mean, those 9 quid can be used for buying a tasty food
celest musk
xD
foggy path
Seems like it would be massively painful to code on a phone anyway tbh
Typing on that tiny screen
:P
celest musk
yea, that wont bring you anywhere
foggy path
I tried some visual programming tools a while back which were kinda interesting though
Not very practical mind you, but interesting to just see how they worked
Now you just need a bluetooth keyboard 
quasi mantle
Typing on that tiny screen
I'd prefer coding on PC, with full sized keyboard and monitor, and free IDE
quasi mantle
Now you just need a bluetooth keyboard <:alex:330044263201112066>
Also docking station to attach it to big monitor
celest musk
yea, even a laptop makes me feel restricted
foggy path
I have 1x24"+2x27" monitors lol
quasi mantle
Laptops are better than tiny phone screen at least.
Though granted, most of them don't have dense DPI as much as phone screens did
celest musk
oh little do you know...
quasi mantle
oh little do you know...
Don't underestimate my survival in the poor capability.
celest musk
theres laptops with 4k on 13", fun times without dpi scaling
foggy path
Virtual desktops work pretty well as multi-monitor replacements on laptops
It's not quite the same but it helps
quasi mantle
Don't underestimate it, ever.
foggy path
Unreal C++ is standard C++, so you're gonna have to be more specific about what parts you don't understand
quasi mantle
Standard C++ stuff applies to Unreal C+++
It's just that the latter has speciality macros and typenames, it could throw you off when going into standard C++ later
foggy path
UPROPERTY is a macro which generates some code for you
celest musk
and unreal comes with a lot of their own data types, e.g. where you use String in c++, in unreal you would use FString
foggy path
For the most part you don't need to know what happens behind the scenes with UPROPERTY and such, you just need to know how they are used and what their function is
celest musk
the best way to learn this is probably to look at some unreal code, either from a plugin or another project
but that said, you need to know how c++ works, adjusting that skill to unreal is trivial
foggy path
Well I don't know trivial because UE is complex so it'll take some time, but at least you'll have a better understanding of what's going on :)
celest musk
actually i would say, you can even get along without c++ knowledge, if you know some other language which uses similar syntax / structure
people will hate me for that, but i would even consider java knowledge as a good starting point 😄
foggy path
^more or less what I did :P I just had a basic C++ understanding from like 10 years ago lol
quasi mantle
but that said, you need to know how c++ works, adjusting that skill to unreal is...
Not that trivial, but at least knowing the basics cut down the learning tasks
foggy path
but I've been coding in a large variety of other languages for quite a long time so it was pretty easy to jump into it
celest musk
Not that trivial, but at least knowing the basics cut down the learning tasks
yea usually you have more complex problems in an environment like unreal, but beside of that it's like learning a new framework/api!?
quasi mantle
How far are you with the engine's Blueprint system?
celest musk
do you have any experience in OOP in c++?
as that's pretty much c++ standard class stuff
theres nothing unreal specific in that code, other than the naming convention
apparently they introduce classes in chapter8 of that course
so theres quite some stuff ahead until you learn about them
foggy path
The first game I made was a shitty text adventure game
Sadly I have lost the source to it... I found a copy of a text adventure game a friend made around that same time but didn't find mine. Might be on one of my old floppies, but getting them to read is really hard :\
quasi mantle
My first game ever coded was a shitty ball platformer thing, made in GameMaker 7
celest musk
maybe for the good that he didn't become a teacher with that hand writing 😄
quasi mantle
It's super shitty, but I know nothing better as a kid
foggy path
Apparently there are some tricks that you can do to get old floppies to read better, I suspect I should get to trying them sooner than later since the disks are clearly heavily degraded already
quasi mantle
Personally I learn more from reading than watching lecture
celest musk
well i like youtube as you can skip/pause/rewind
quasi mantle
well i like youtube as you can skip/pause/rewind
Or play it at 1.5x speed
celest musk
i wouldn't consider mathew w. as energetic, still he has some of the best unreal related content
@quasi mantle also i would rather watch 2h mathew w tutorials than 2h blender guru 😄
quasi mantle
<@325627930484932608> also i would rather watch 2h mathew w tutorials than 2h bl...
Same tbh
celest musk
both teach good practice and stuff imho, but blender guru can get quite exhausting
quasi mantle
Though more recent Blender Guru tuts aren't half bad, just his earlier stuff that's left to be desired
celest musk
either he's on medication or getting old 😄
unreal ether
The first game I made was a shitty text adventure game
no way same!
mine was in python
celest musk
same, mine was in batch 😄
unreal ether
i even wrote my own pokemon style combat system... was hella proud of myself for that
(even though ik the code was janky af looking back)
foggy path
MS-DOS batch script for me lol
foggy path
Yep
My friend had found this program called ask.exe which allowed you to easily collect basic inputs into it and branch based on it with gotos lol
foggy path
yeah the game I found from an old floppy that my friend made did that too
he used some screenshots from duke nukem 3d lol
zinc matrix
man. i never got this much attention from the ladies when i was younger.
i was such a dork
i stil am a dork but much more sophisticated
ocean parcel
My first game ever coded was a shitty ball platformer thing, made in GameMaker 7
oh like pong?
that was literally same for me too lmao.
quasi mantle
oh like pong?
Well, 2D platformer, but any object are balls
ocean parcel
Well, 2D platformer, but any object are balls
ahhhhh
guys the worst part of the day is approaching, the end!!!! 😭 😭 😭 😭
I'm so scared. 😭 😭 😭 😭
I hate this hot weather, makes sleeping proper hard.
quasi mantle
You mean it's soon or late?
Can't say either really
I'm 23 and still pretty much single lmao
Not even attractive to girls really
signal sigil
Well... You've got time. Just enjoy it...
quasi mantle
I mean, if I don't see myself getting married in the age of 30 without getting into forced marriage, then so be it, I guess
signal sigil
Where are you from? If you don't mind me asking...
quasi mantle
Indonesia
Not sure why that's relevant tbh
signal sigil
Indonesia
Not sure why that's relevant tbh
My question?
quasi mantle
Maybe
quasi mantle
My question?
Yeah, don't know what that has to do with the marriage/romantic relationship thing
I don't feel like I have the attractive redeeming quality that girls would have. I do coding, animating, graphic design stuff, play drums instead of guitar, and somewhat a huge weeb
Funny considering how back in the school days I dreamt of having a girlfriend lmao
Just to have a complete 180° a few years later lol
signal sigil
Yeah, don't know what that has to do with the marriage/romantic relationship thi...
Well... Countries and cultures are different. In some countries you can get married after 40 and it's totally normal in some countries 25 is the age they say you're getting old for marriage. I was just curious. Sorry if I made you feel uncomfortable.
quasi mantle
Back then: dreamt of having a girlfriend
Now: accepts the single life
quasi mantle
Well... Countries and cultures are different. In some countries you can get marr...
Eh, I felt like I'm the outlier already. Most of my school friends already married in their early 20s.
Probably safe to say I'm like the only one in the circle to have the "so be it" attitude
If I do get married in my 30s without forced marriage, then nice.
If I stay single, then so be it.
signal sigil
Eh, I felt like I'm the outlier already. Most of my school friends already marri...
Meeeeh... You're not losing anything... I'm not saying it's bad, It's just another part of the life but good or bad you wont ever feel the same after being married for some time and no matter how happy you are, you'll sometimes miss the time you were single
quasi mantle
Especially considering I was traumatised by failed romantic relationship few years ago
So much so, that at this point, I might already get more comfort of having fictional anime character as my "girlfriend", even though I'm fully aware it's mostly one sided
I just don't have the trust for romantic relationship as I used to when I was still a naïve boy.
Hence why seeing myself would get married even in my 30s is still a hardly low probability, a far fetched pipe dream. I'm not betting on that goal anymore.
ocean parcel
I too have given up and accepted that I can never have a normal relationship (of any kind) with anyone.
That's why I intend to eat my seeds in 10 days.
quasi mantle
Even expecting a faithful two sided relationship without any forced occasions is apparently too much to ask nowadays
foggy path
What have you done to find a meaningful relationship, or to make yourself more attractive for such a thing?
quasi mantle
I too have given up and accepted that I can never have a normal relationship (of...
I'm pretty much near zero faith on romantic relationship. I mean, considering how I'm not fucking attractive.
quasi mantle
What have you done to find a meaningful relationship, or to make yourself more a...
Nowadays? None, I guess.
I'm pretty much self improving just for myself
foggy path
Yeah I mean if you don't put effort into it you probably won't find anything either
ocean parcel
....
quasi mantle
Yeah I mean if you don't put effort into it you probably won't find anything eit...
Jokes on you, I don't expect anything either nowadays. Because having a faithful simpler romantic relationship is seem too much to ask
foggy path
Yeah it's too much to ask if you aren't willing to put any effort into it :P
ocean parcel
jeeze
ocean parcel
Guess it's easier saying it once you get it.
yeah exactly 😩
people that have it just don't understand and never will.
and people that don't will never understand those that do.
it's like two different species.
quasi mantle
And then you all say to me, three failed relationship is too little of a number/experience, saying it's nothing
I mean, yeah, quanitity wise, it's not much
But damn, if it weren't for the lasting trauma I still had to this day, I wouldn't be this doomer
foggy path
What happened?
quasi mantle
Last thing I want is to have a fourth failed relationship and have my life ruined again
zinc matrix
What do you mean
quasi mantle
What happened?
Cheating girls, and I'm not even a playboy.
Sure, you might get the impression that I'm a perverted bastard, but I talked that in the context of fictional characters.
Yeah, what a load of fucking shit I am.
foggy path
Have you considered it might be a sign you're pursuing the wrong kind of women
quasi mantle
Have you considered it might be a sign you're pursuing the wrong kind of women
I'm not even that actively pursuing. They all came forward to me first
foggy path
Getting into relationships with the wrong kind of women then :P
quasi mantle
Say it frontal. I'd be more satisfied.
ocean parcel
@quasi mantle tbf you've still has more than me, i'm 24 and never had a relationship.
signal sigil
I'm not even that actively pursuing. They all came forward to me first
And you say you're not attractive...
celest musk
he wanted to say that they are scum because they lack the social skill to communicate that to you, and instead they cheat (also i wouldn't consider such thing as relationship)
ocean parcel
hmmm maybe
zinc matrix
I feel like makoto is being a huge drama queen. "Im not even attractive to women" like what gives you that idea? The trauma aside.
quasi mantle
And you say you're not attractive...
I don't know how I'm attractive for the wrong way then
signal sigil
All I know is that it happens when it happens... I didn't find anything good as long as I was looking for it. It happened when I expected the least
foggy path
Tbh saying things like "i'm not attractive" is kind of a sign
signal sigil
I don't know how I'm attractive for the wrong way then
Is there a wrong way for that?!
quasi mantle
Is there a wrong way for that?!
Well, if what gets attracted are such scummy girls, probably that's the wrong way of attractiveness
foggy path
I mean frankly it sounds like you might be kinda hot if those kinds of girls are attracted to you lol
quasi mantle
I don't know, I haven't had a time where I take therapy without getting screwed over by my relatives
signal sigil
I mean frankly it sounds like you might be kinda hot if those kinds of girls are...
And someone who plays drum... Sounds cool!
celest musk
now i know why you have so many ex's
signal sigil
Well... In my opinion you should wait at least a year before trying that.
zinc matrix
Any attractive individual can be a dumpster fire of a personality. Looks are only skin deep. This is fact. Lots of boys presumed pretty women to be nice people. Someone told me once that 60% of attractive people are terrible people, 30% have any other redeeming qualities, and 10% are genuinely decent humans. Ive never found this to be false. Its a generalization but it illustrates the rarity of those who are more than one dimensional.
ocean parcel
For me it's super easy, barely an inconvenience.
wraith magnet
can confirm that someone who may be a sexy beast is actually a complete dickhead
zinc matrix
I had a coworker 2 months ago who got fired. She was smoking hot but she was just a b****. Convicted or being convinced felon. Couldn't manager finances. Pretty awful to be around.
She's my age and she was very used to Getting her way based on her looks.
That's example of a f****** More on than I can use from recent memory
quasi mantle
And someone who plays drum... Sounds cool!
Well, I play drums because I find it more fun than playing guitars tbh
Also hitting on those drum heads (or even practicing pads) can let off some steam a bit
zinc matrix
I knew a guide college he was across the hall for me for 3 years. The guy had a great God body and he was Just mean. Well he was funny about it but he never treated anybody Right. I knew this guy that was friends with him and he was always picking on him he always felt was funny.
The guy was extremely vain
Dumpster fire
That annoyed the living p*** out of me
God why isn't 20 no 35ﾟ right here in middle April
Freeze my balls off
signal sigil
Idk about that... I mean, I have seen lots of good looking people with good personality! I don't think it's the matter of looks...
signal sigil
God why isn't 20 no 35ﾟ right here in middle April
Yeah... right...?! I hate cold... 😭
zinc matrix
Idk about that... I mean, I have seen lots of good looking people with good pers...
Well I said I meant as like examples. Obviously not all pretty people are mean people. I'm just saying he can be pretty deceptive at times
quasi mantle
I don't really know from musical attractiveness side of things, but I feel like the drums has rhythmic powers even if the notes available at given time are not as much as piano or guitar
Even deviating from simple backbeat can make interesting rhythms
zinc matrix
There can be extremely unattractive people who are mean or supernice either way
There's actually studies doing this about corporate structure in people who are more attractive vers is not attractive. In the Bay this basically conclude that conventionally attracted people get more privileges and promotions than anybody else.
signal sigil
There's actually studies doing this about corporate structure in people who are ...
Yeah... Maybe...
zinc matrix
Yeah... Maybe...
No that is a fact
I think I'm finally getting over whatever this illness is. The 4 Simon 2 days that I haven't felt congested
The 1st time in 2 days
oblique cloak
guys now that i am finally done with my USP and animations. What would be a good free gun to get off the start of a match like the P 250 in cs go? a colt 45? lugar, give me an idea 🙂 ill just look em up on art station and buy the model if i like the idea
signal sigil
No that is a fact
I mean... I'm not that attractive. I consider myself as normal but that didn't help in many cases. That's actually why I prefer being home playing videogames and working with unreal instead of getting out among people? I have zero faiths in humanity... Have you ever thought about the kind of people who try to start a relationship with a let's say normal looking person just because of their look?
quasi mantle
guys now that i am finally done with my USP and animations. What would be a good...
There is some free ones in the marketplace
zinc matrix
guys now that i am finally done with my USP and animations. What would be a good...
unica
zinc matrix
I mean... I'm not that attractive. I consider myself as normal but that didn't h...
i dont even know what youre trying to convey here... sorry
quasi mantle
I mean... I'm not that attractive. I consider myself as normal but that didn't h...
I think you find those kind of people in dating sites, maybe
Considering dating sites often rely on looks first
(and also the reason why I have zero faith on those lol)
signal sigil
i dont even know what youre trying to convey here... sorry
Nvm...That's not important 🙂
signal sigil
I think you find those kind of people in dating sites, maybe
I never tried them tbh
quasi mantle
I never tried them tbh
Don't, lots of catfishes over there
I don't want to go there even in the most desperate situations
signal sigil
Don't, lots of catfishes over there
I don't want to go there even in the most de...
My dating days are over... Been married for 13 years now
quasi mantle
Well, personally I'd rather think of hobbies and work that I love doing the most, playing games, making games, playing drums, watching drumming videos, that kind of thing
Don't want to make myself too busy of thinking uncertainty of dating (yet, probably)
signal sigil
As long as you're happy with what you're doing and that doesn't hurt you or anyone else I say you're doing the best thing...! What's more important than one's happiness?
foggy path
it's easy to be cynical about dating sites
but realistically where do you plan to meet anyone these days?
if you don't frequent bars where do you actually meet people locally?
ocean parcel
notetoself
quasi mantle
but realistically where do you plan to meet anyone these days?
I'd rather start by regular friendship first, but eh, it's just me
foggy path
still, where would you meet someone for that purpose
median wraith
don't use the apps, that's the pro tip
those work, and usually only work when you enter without any expectation, by a low chance
foggy path
Realistically speaking I doubt I'll meet anyone outside of dating apps
None of my hobbies are the kind where I would actually meet people :P
I met my ex on okcupid and we had a good relationship for many years
signal sigil
still, where would you meet someone for that purpose
Gym, decent parties, work, school... Or even Macdonald in some cases 😁
foggy path
I don't go to gyms, I don't have any friends who host parties and I don't go to bars/clubs, I work from home, I haven't been to school for over a decade lol
verbal junco
what's a house
verbal junco
I met my ex on okcupid and we had a good relationship for many years
I actually met my ex in person, but that was many years before corona. I have no idea how the market is now
median wraith
The problem with those apps is there is a lot of people with a human gambling problem, the people that keeps there always want more or use people as items.
So your only chance is to find someone that just entered
Because nobody that's empathic will keep for long on an app where get 600 request per week
foggy path
Yeah it's a bit hard to say. It was better back when I met my ex because the apps weren't yet so Tinder'ized
Nowdays Tinder is the only app here with more than 5 women on it
celest musk
and how many of those are real and how many are scam?
foggy path
And I have seen maybe 10 profiles on tinder that seemed interesting to me, because I can't be bothered swiping profiles right if it doesn't say anything
which is like 70% of all the profiles
celest musk
and you most likely have to give up on yourself when texting there
median wraith
Look I will give you a case that happened to me recently, I was meeting a person that study where I was at too, turns out this person uses Tinder, and meets 4 different individuals per week, also while meet those is meeting another batch for the next week
celest musk
as the standards are high by those who copy & paste the same phrases to a bunch of people xD
signal sigil
I don't go to gyms, I don't have any friends who host parties and I don't go to ...
Yeah... You're hopelessly miserable... Just kidding... 💖 🤗 You're a smart game developer who will be a successful person pretty soon
As I said. It happens when you expect it the least! You may meet each other while grocery shopping.
foggy path
Yeah I mean I'm not saying I have a problem with it
I was just giving an example that realistically speaking it's probably not gonna happen unless it's meeting someone from one of those apps :)
that's why I use them even though they're full of uninteresting people, if I'm not there then my chances are 0 lol
median wraith
Tbh not sure if ypu can be able to meet someone in shops now
celest musk
you can
median wraith
Maybe at the 3* sentence they will start calling the police
quasi mantle
I guess if I'm being optimistic, maybe I could meet one when I do travelling, either for game dev presentations or just doing drumming gigs, or just travelling to satisfy my nerdy hobby needs.
celest musk
check yourself as infected in the corona app, then get close to woman you are attracted too, and meet them at the doctor
verbal junco
I don't go to gyms, I don't have any friends who host parties and I don't go to ...
so in other words you're living the dream
quasi mantle
I visited few anime conventions as well in the past
median wraith
check yourself as infected in the corona app, then get close to woman you are at...
wtf xd
foggy path
so in other words you're living the dream
more or less!
quasi mantle
Met some nice cosplayers too
celest musk
you even have something to start a conversation
signal sigil
Well... Nice people. It's pretty late here and I have to go. It was really great talking with you all. 🤗
verbal junco
ever since corona I haven't really been outside of my apartment for weeks at a time
as in, staying isolated for weeks at a time
signal sigil
check yourself as infected in the corona app, then get close to woman you are at...
😂 😂 😂
celest musk
imagine that happens to you
and then some creep stands at the doctor and says "I've been waiting for you"
xD
zinc matrix
I feel like today it's so easy to talk to people, but harder to actually meet people
if that makes any sense
verbal junco
or just develop a general apathy for people and reconsider if relationships are even worth it anymore 🤔
zinc matrix
sounds pretty sigma to me
verbal junco
isn't that what everyone is doing though 😂
celest musk
is it?
celest musk
i think getting kids actually is the biggest challenge one can get into life
verbal junco
I don't think it's something that should be as cherished as it is though
everyone does it
eventually
celest musk
it should be, if it's done well
zinc matrix
well at the end of the day humans are pretty simple when it comes to making them happy
some stuff is just more fulfilling than others
verbal junco
it should be, if it's done well
sure, but done well is like the 1% of parents 😂
quasi mantle
Speaking of drums
Revised bit of my dream drum kit setup (considering Remo Black Suede's smallest size is 8", 6" tom gotta go)
celest musk
but hands down, some people do an awful job 😄
verbal junco
most*
quasi mantle
8" tom, 12" side snare, 10" tom, 12" tom, 14" tom, 14" snare, 16" floor tom, 18" floor tom, and double 20" bass drum
I had influence from prog metal/rock, and jazz fusion, thus the many toms
zinc matrix
I don't understand drums well enough, but looks good
verbal junco
I'll congratulate you when you have children that have accomplished greater goals in life than you have
zinc matrix
does that really matter tho?
verbal junco
does that really matter tho?
does anything?
verbal junco
something better than a previous goal?
zinc matrix
It's good to have ambitions, it's certainly better than idly doing nothing
celest musk
I'll congratulate you when you have children that have accomplished greater goal...
well, i didn't raise the bar high, so... 😄
verbal junco
well, i didn't raise the bar high, so... 😄
my condolences to your parents
in other news, has anyone played civ 6 here?
foggy path
I have but not for a while
unreal ether
anyone here played ~~ warcrime simulator~~ i mean rimworld
foggy path
I have but not for a while
unreal ether
it's one of my preferred colony builders
foggy path
lol
unreal ether
got it modded to hell cause i dont like how vanilla plays
verbal junco
I have but not for a while
I just tried it once after having played civ5 for like a week
foggy path
it's quite different isn't it :P
verbal junco
and it just seemed excessively slow?
I was getting fatigued from all the nonsense extra building
foggy path
Yeah hard to say. I kinda like that they tried something different with it, but I don't know if it's better
verbal junco
it has a very strong boardgame feel to it compared to civ5
verbal junco
slow as in too many clicks
not as in game speed
😂
in order to build a building you first have to build a district
a district takes time to build as well and is barely an improvement on an improvement
I like that workers disappear but they could have given more than 3 tiles to work
unreal ether
nevermind im stupif
please ignore me
just not like permanently
never played civ
verbal junco
it just seems very tedious compared to 5
5 isn't flawless by any means, and plagued by terrible AI and lack of good diplomacy options
but there's just too many things to do every turn in 6
multiple cities, multiple districts per city, multiple different type of workers each with their own ability for special improvements, multiple tech trees, multiple types of government with multiple types of policy slots that have an ocean of small and almost meaningless changes
then for optimal play you need to build specific things before researching specific things because otherwise you don't get to take advantage of boosted research
it just feels like I need to memorize a game manual to play the game
foggy path
I've been thinking of playing Civ 2 again just to see how it was
verbal junco
f it, I'm gonna play frostpunk. I'll take the difficulty curve of running into a brick wall over learning all of that stuff
foggy path
I remember it had those extremely cheesy FMV advisors
Alpha Centauri is also fun
I wish they hadn't botched up the new one inspired by it
verbal junco
which one?
foggy path
Uhh, I forget what it was called but didn't they do a sort of scifi civ-like game at some point around civ 5 or something like that
verbal junco
oh right I vaguely remember something like that
foggy path
maybe it was this one, at least I heard it wasn't so good but it seems to have positive reviews recently https://store.steampowered.com/app/65980/Sid_Meiers_Civilization_Beyond_Earth/
Not alpha centauri but worth playing.
heh
unreal ether
can i get nuclear space ghandi?
foggy path
no but you can be space chairman mao of the workers party
verbal junco
ghandi went back to peaceful after 4
foggy path
oh right it was called the Human Hive
unreal ether
ah he went through his villain arc and then found the power of friendship
verbal junco
it was a bug as far as I recall
foggy path
yeah I think it was but then they kept it in later iterations because it was funny :D
foggy path
lol
read whaty you type
tbh it looks like they just needed a picture with a bunch of code in it and someone played a prank and nobody checked :P
quasi mantle
So this is how Ubisoft codes their games
No wonder the games were buggy
timber viper
quasi mantle
tbh it looks like they just needed a picture with a bunch of code in it and some...
At least it's more honest than passing off typing bunch of CSS as serious coding
unreal ether
read whaty you type();
foggy path
Have you tried maintaining a large CSS codebase?
It's pretty fucking serious business lol
or all the fucking bullshit you had to go through before flexbox and grids existed 🤦♂️
timber viper
I keep researching about Frostbite but no info about how their engine looks like
I barely found a few screenshots from level editor
quasi mantle
I barely found a few screenshots from level editor
They posted few screenshots for BF5, but that's pretty much it as far as FB3 goes
(or what they call it FrostEd)
foggy path
It's probably heavily NDA'd as these things tend to be
timber viper
They told its a very flexible engine you can develop any game from RTS to 128 players PvP
I really wonder the framework behind it
quasi mantle
They told its a very flexible engine you can develop any game from RTS to 128 pl...
And yet Bioware guys told the horror stories
foggy path
I guess we'll see if any of the other Frostbite based projects come to fruition
quasi mantle
Though I'm certain Frostbite is more generalised like Unreal Engine did nowadays
foggy path
I wouldn't bet on it considering DICE is just making Battlefields with it and probably have little incentive to generalize it much
Have any other games even been released on it? 🤔
quasi mantle
Have any other games even been released on it? 🤔
Basically pretty much any first party EA games after BF4
foggy path
oh really
timber viper
( no im not going to activate windows 
)
foggy path
it looks more or less like UE lol
quasi mantle
ow my eyes
It looks like a real eye.
unreal ether
( no im not going to activate windows <a:ANGERY:904362756973690940> )
just...
just go to your settings
and... em... ya know...
activate windows
timber viper
Madden and FIFA games run on Frostbite????
EA decided to develop everything in frostbite a while ago
foggy path
Rory McIlroy PGA Tour
quasi mantle
Madden and FIFA games run on Frostbite????
Oh yes it is.
foggy path
I wonder why haven't we heard of Golfstruction or whatever cool Frostbite tech they built for that
unreal ether
<a:nou:609507306740252675>
aha but i have
i wanna see how much of a trainwreck creation engine is
quasi mantle
Even the upcoming Dead Space remake is Frostbite
timber viper
I wonder how much tech debt it has
foggy path
I guess it might be more generalized then
quasi mantle
I wonder how much tech debt it has
Judging by what other first party EA devs publicly said, probably a lot
I think Bioware struggled with it when making Dragon Age Inquisition
foggy path
You know what
I think I'm gonna order one of these to put on my bookshelf
lol
actually maybe I'll order two, so I can use the second one for some Arts & Crafts™️ and try to install some RGB LEDs into the eye sockets
burnt lake
foggy path
lol
unreal ether
actually maybe I'll order two, so I can use the second one for some Arts & Craft...
some frosted acrylic to diffuse the light, arduino nano in the back, pulse the lights and have a rave skeleton
unreal ether
i may have to do that now
after ive finished my other project
project rave skeleton is a go
quasi mantle
Make sure the RGB light syncs with coffin dance
quick fern
✋ Anyone here working in London?
cursive crypt
#lounge does not work, only talk. Try in #industry-chat or a specific dev channel.
deep copper
^
deep copper
they are the same
timber viper
<#221796616653373441> is our procastination area
You cant believe how many industry professionals waste their time in here instead of pushing changes to main 
Yeah, fixing other peoples problems instead of yours 😂
zinc matrix
the circle of life
you get help from someone who is probably procrastinating on fixing their own stuff
timber viper
Then you procrastinate after your problem fixed
zinc matrix
deep copper
helping someone a sweeter word for procrastination then?
deep copper
maybe that's what their work is 🤔
quasi mantle
maybe that's what their work is 🤔
Hidden Unreal Slackers paid programme confirmed? 🤔
timber viper
TIL Tim Sweeney visits r/FuckEpic often
I wonder if they also visit #cpp Its also r/FuckEpic often
zinc matrix
weren't there rumours about discord allowing for paid channels?
zinc matrix
I wonder if they also visit <#221799439008923648> Its also r/FuckEpic often
that exists? sounds like copium central
deep copper
Hidden Unreal Slackers paid programme confirmed? 🤔
explains why epic officially supports this 🤔 , to take away traffic from official forums
deep copper
I wonder if they also visit <#221799439008923648> Its also r/FuckEpic often
really? what do people did there?
is it about, ue or their games
timber viper
UE
quasi mantle
that exists? sounds like copium central
Massive elitists' copium central, yeah
Those cheeky gamer bastards acting like it's a 4chan hate mob
zinc matrix
there isn't a heap of reason to hate epic aside from the launcher
deep copper
tbf, it's nearly free stuff
quasi mantle
They're most likely people who consider Gabe Newell as the next Jesus Christ.
zinc matrix
eww
timber viper
I hate both worlds
zinc matrix
those people
timber viper
Steam and Epic
deep copper
stream+epic
zinc matrix
I like epic because they are very generous and supportive of small devs
timber viper
That's right tbf
zinc matrix
and spend money on improving everything but the launcher
deep copper
if it's not broken don't fix it
timber viper
lol
pearl elk
if its not brother dont fix it
deep copper
fortnite is broke then
timber viper
its broken but marked as "wont fix"
deep copper
if its not brother dont fix it
so, fix me 😳 ??? <3
pearl elk
snip snip 😂
timber viper
@deep copper so when are you learning c++
deep copper
xD
deep copper
<@926083750276780073> so when are you learning c++
whenever you teach me
timber viper
I dont know C++, I just pretend to
deep copper
fake it till you make it
quasi mantle
For to us, a child is born. Today, in the town of Colorado, a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
And thus in 1996, marks the genesis of the Church.
deep copper
that's rather recent
quasi mantle
||that's the joke||
pearl elk
sounds like something a Gen Z would say
zinc matrix
I literally only use steam to run games
I fail to see how people bother with making profiles
and using it for anything else
timber viper
@quasi mantle so when are you writing a blog post about the tricks you learned by practicing #animation
quasi mantle
I literally only use steam to run games
If it weren't for Blender & VRoid, I'd have stopped using steam
quasi mantle
<@325627930484932608> so when are you writing a blog post about the tricks you l...
Hmm, maybe later
Still had few things that I'm not sure in practice
pearl elk
hey I spend alot of time on my Steam profile so please look... please
pearl elk
someone... look at my profile... for once 😿
zinc matrix
what even is it?
timber viper
hey I spend alot of time on my Steam profile so please look... please
Looks nice
zinc matrix
ah found it
zinc matrix
same people who drool over tf2 probably
anyway why even pay attention to them?
jokes on them they live in an echo-chamber
quasi mantle
I don't know any quick access to 🚒 or 🧯
quasi mantle
same people who drool over tf2 probably
TF2 master race over Fortnite yo
pearl elk
I liked TF2 but it got silly with too much themed content
quasi mantle
As if Valve made any effort to make TF2 the Fortnite killer
pearl elk
I didnt mind Halloween since thats about dress up
zinc matrix
fortnite was pretty good in its early days
quasi mantle
Personally I found Fortnite enjoyable, at least in Asia/Oceania servers
NA/EU servers might be a different story altogether
And yay no build mode
quasi mantle
there's a no build mode?
Yes, very recent
pearl elk
Ive never played Fortnite, is there a way to go back to the start and play from there? 😛
zinc matrix
if only
quasi mantle
I've never build even once for the entire time I played Fortnite BR
deep copper
just make the limited area so tiny no one can build or find it
pearl elk
Experience the Music and Fashion of Coachella in Fortnite.```I dont wanna see what tag line they use for Burning Man lol
deep copper
Experience the heat from burning man
pearl elk
maybe plural would be better
deep copper
men*?
pearl elk
Britney Spears is playing Fortnite right now
quasi mantle
`Experience the heat from burning man`
Man's Not Hot enough I guess
deep copper
Britney Spears is playing Fortnite right now
is that some PR trickery
quasi mantle
The ting goes skrrah
Pop, pop, ka-ka-ka
Two plus two is four
Minus one, that's three, quick maths
deep copper
perhaps they are looking for epic to fund them 🤔
quasi mantle
perhaps they are looking for epic to fund them 🤔
Celebrity playing games is too often a lie
deep copper
a lie to get funds from epic 🤔
deep copper
weird coming from a BattleMedic
cursive crypt
If it is old, it is gold.
fleet tangle
"You're not the first human to battle the ancient alien legacy... but if you lose, you'll be the last"
I wonder if they said that about all the other people battling the alien legacy.
pearl elk
If it is old, it is gold.
There are quite a few games before their time, Sword of the Samurai is another one. Seems junk by todays standards but there were alot of ideas there I havent seen in many games since
I think maybe the simpler graphics made it easier to translate those bigger gameplay ideas
cursive crypt
They were more simpler games in general. And ideas were crucial in such constrained media.
I don't know that one tho 🤔
pearl elk
Ghost of Tsushima is good, I havent played it all through but it woulda been cool to see if lean more towards Sword of the Samurai. It had the potential but ended up being more just that open world game formula of capturing outposts and escort missions
The latter is more about commanding an army, if you mixed the former with something like Total War: Shogun
Maybe do abit of a Ubisoft thing with a bird but make it so its a strategy view
cursive crypt
I can imagine the management thinking how Open world are pop now, so let's make one.
Sometimes it may get good (afaik), like Elden Gringo, but they used their own expertise and enhanced it.
pearl elk
well Ghost of Tsushima does do the cinematic fighting very well, it feels like a fighting game at times. I like that idea that a game doesnt have to be a genre game, it can be different things
Elden Gringo is obviously a Gringo game
cursive crypt
cursive crypt
Business, I can understand. The rest are just spoiled kids.
robust shale
I feel like I want just like an open world like Valheim, but just the renovating part 🙂
"Unpacked" but survival game, you'd sell millions of copies 🙂
deep copper
"cats can't judge distance of object that well when it's close"
zinc matrix
UE is trying to make me go insane
it thinks a grayscale image is not grayscale
aha I think I found the issue
robust shale
Oh god, Coachella is in Fortnite. This is the end of days
cursive crypt
Is that some sort of arthopod character?
pearl elk
Roachella
robust shale
If you by that mean the decay of west coast US "culture" into one manifestation of hippie monsterism, then yes.
cursive crypt
Sounds like arthopod tho, not familiar.
robust shale
Their slogan should be "At least it's not Burning Man"
cursive crypt
In other news, CP2077 sold 18 mil copies, while Witcher 3 - 40 mil. The other Witcher games ~20 mil. Hmm...
robust shale
The rejection of their in-house engine in favor of ue5 is going to be tres intressant
cursive crypt
It is cost effective, also other ue devs will benefit, if cdpr contribute back.
timber viper
I wonder what they can contribute
They are not only AAA working with engine in the end
What others made revolutionary in the engine?
cursive crypt
afaik they will work on some open world stuff, including quests/convos and similar.
UE kinda lacks.
timber viper
afaik they will work on some open world stuff, including quests/convos and simil...
We have an equivalent of their quest/convo system by the way, made by Witcher 3's quest designer:
https://github.com/MothCocoon/FlowGraph
zinc matrix
deep copper
UE is trying to make me go insane
you make me go insane <3
robust shale
Must be a hard day at CD Project Red engine department "Yeah, we're scuttling all engine efforts. Learn to code UE c++ components you hobbits or learn to scavenge for burak in the fields"
cursive crypt
C++ is superior anyway
zinc matrix
uh oh
cursive crypt
This is good decision.
zinc matrix
I need some iodine pills
robust shale
Said no one ever
zinc matrix
you guys are too radiant 😎
timber viper
Must be a hard day at CD Project Red engine department "Yeah, we're scuttling al...
I'm pretty sure they were happy
robust shale
Now when you can compile C# into C++ there's really no reason to use the language at all 🙂
cursive crypt
We have an equivalent of their quest/convo system by the way, made by Witcher 3'...
I remember that one 🤔
Still, a mainstream effort would be great.
timber viper
The tech debt and complexity of their in house engine was crazy
I listened some horror stories from one of their programmers 😄
robust shale
Like all enterprise/complex companies 🙂
timber viper
Their case was even more worse
robust shale
I'm pretty sure there's not a single AAA game with "great" software architecture. Maybe theres a few with "good"
cursive crypt
Video games are rarely an example of engineered software. They an example of hacked to the max.
timber viper
They worked with a studio(?) to develop the engine but they failed so hard and people who came after them was not able to fix things, so they ended up either rewriting some parts of doing very very silly workarounds
That's what I heard
So a brand new engine failed from beginning
robust shale
In general software architecture is... not great. I've been working as a consultant for like 20 years and still havent started on a project that wasn't a legacy Frankenstein Monster that best case was kinda ok
(don't want to sound snobbish like all the programmer edgelords, but its true)
timber viper
In general software architecture is... not great. I've been working as a consult...
Compared to rest, how is Unreal Engine?
I really hate the fact UE limits max. players and max movable characters in a scene
An annoying tech debt coming from being a shooter (UT) engine
robust shale
So, I'm no c++, nor game engine expert, so no expert opinion. But... Unreal seems surprisingly good in many ways. They're doing great things with data-driven development and source code is not too bad. I mean, it could always be better... but realities
GAS seems as close to a kinda great/monster enterprise project I've ever seen tho 🙂
cursive crypt
UE is kinda awful to me
However, it is totally understandable why it is.
And for that state, it does great things.
timber viper
I only experienced development with UE so with all of its flaws and greatnesses, its my only reality