am i the only one who still uses this bad boy? lol i dont like photoshop.
#lounge
oblique cloak
zinc matrix
Haha, i never get pinged so i have no struggles.π
*I also dont have friends*π§
zinc matrix
am i the only one who still uses this bad boy? lol i dont like photoshop.
oof is this from motiontween era
zinc matrix
i was just listening to a podcast where they were talking about the death of Flash a few days back
I think it really helped me with my keyframing foundation, which still is very bad till this day xD
oblique cloak
fuck it man, keyframing saves time xD
Wow substance painter to mx 2004 is flawless.
no more photoshop, i forgot about this!
zinc matrix
Mixer Quixel is so slow for me i wanna new computah π¦
sweet abyss
I dont like mixer
What?
Mixer is a lot user friendly
And has even simpler UI than painter
oblique cloak
substance painter has such an easier workflow
sweet abyss
But I guess it's up to one's own perspective
oblique cloak
true
sweet abyss
substance painter has such an easier workflow
Ah yes
Because mixer was originally made to mix textures
So it's painting tools are still lacking
oblique cloak
Exactly why i import from substance painter to mixer after π
bronze iron
oh goddamn that server icon xD you trolled me good x_X
sweet abyss
Ikr
supple latch
mfer i spent an entire minute looking for it
zinc matrix
CHAOS
foggy path
A good reminder that the inbox button exists and shows your mentions :P
wanton citrus
wait, tim sweeney is here?
zinc matrix
wait, tim sweeney is here?
ya
oblique cloak
naw he is too busy hating on halo series
wanton citrus
I never noticed, really
wanton citrus
lol, even in voice!
stone saddle
deep glen
Just trying to make sure nobody is sharing false UE5 information on my day off
zinc matrix
have a nice day off then
do u know what investigative work is. try it out. on tim sweeneys profile
deep glen
thank you kind sir
fathom wadi
I heard UE5 is releasing Easy Anti-Cheat 2.0 but they are renaming it to Slighty-more difficult cheat.
wanton citrus
man, you got me again
zinc matrix
nintentofu, it should be nintendofu, not tofu.
wanton citrus
I shouldn't read messages from this discord anymore until tomorrow π
timber viper
Just trying to make sure nobody is sharing false UE5 information on my day off
Hi, I'm using Apple
deep glen
Thats bananas
stone saddle
hi Apple, I'm dad
foggy path
Tim please enable building in fortnites thank
rapid fox
Y'all crazy π€£
deep glen
sorry, the biggest streamers actually like no-build mode, so its gonna stay
oblique cloak
thank you.
fathom wadi
I actually considered playing Fortnite again thanks to no-build mode. I hate the building side of it
oblique cloak
now add a competitive version too. Ill grind that for hours.
deep glen
we are considering the following: each thing you build costs 100 vbucks
zinc matrix
im tweeting this
oblique cloak
leaks
stone saddle
I actually considered playing Fortnite again thanks to no-build mode. I hate the...
SAME
oblique cloak
Its the reason why i never played fortnite.
No one wants to shoot at someone and they build a full luxury apartment in 2 seconds in front of you.
zinc matrix
my friend asked me to play
but i had no room on my hd to install bc UE has taken all my space π
stone saddle
No one wants to shoot at someone and they build a full luxury apartment in 2 sec...
and then shoot you lol
which, hurts my heart
oblique cloak
and then shoot you lol
yupp just jumps down with a shottie, then blasts you with a aug.
zinc matrix
and then shoot you lol
- while
zinc matrix
red bull kids are speed
foggy path
oblique cloak
Well I mean if you look at the core aspects of battle royals, its loot, shoot, die. This is where call of duty broke the mechanics by trying to add Loot money, buy a kit and play regular call of duty vs 100+ people....
foggy path
Didn't COD just steal the money idea from Radical Heights 
oblique cloak
never even heard of that
rare mauve
Fact: waking up on four hours sleep I spent like 5 minutes clicking through different channels this morning trying to make the ping go away. 
foggy path
Radical Heights was what Bosskey did for a little while after LawBreakers flopped
sort of an 80s inspired BR thing, it was kinda fun, but it didn't go anywhere since the studio went bankrupt
soft night
UnrealPlaid forces
oblique cloak
yikes.
foggy path
Fact: waking up on four hours sleep I spent like 5 minutes clicking through diff...
I looked at it, didn't see it anywhere, looked at my Inbox and decided it was discord bugging out :P
zinc matrix
I always mute a server uponEnter
oblique cloak
yeah took me like 20 minutes to realize the hoax.
vast sable
Haha same here
stone saddle
vast sable
Damn smart
deep copper
it didn't really get me because mobile ping looks different and 2 servers have that in the same place, what DID surprise me is that ue server joined the prank day
vast sable
I thought someone foundna solution to my issue haha
stone saddle
it didn't really get me because mobile ping looks different and 2 servers have t...
we have a sense of humor too >_<
zinc matrix
https://i.imgur.com/sXbKjxp.png who ever designed it. is bad.
deep copper
atleast it gets the attention
stone saddle
https://i.imgur.com/sXbKjxp.png who ever designed it. is bad.
you fell for it, so it worked, bad or not π
zinc matrix
yeah think it's supposed to be a short pun, rather than long diseavement and torture
stone saddle
that would have been messed up though
zinc matrix
https://tenor.com/view/faker-ambition-rise-cinematic-league-of-legends-gif-20231...
what is this from? looks like LoL or Arcane?
stone saddle
cuz it would have actually sent a notification
deep copper
i remember ue server accidentally having an everyone ping years back, my internet speed couldn't keep up back then
it summoned so many
oblique cloak
Is there any easy way to create normal maps? I found a tool from github, i have been using it.... but was wondering if there is a method to this madness.
stone saddle
yea, ugh, we've had a couple of situations like that
deep glen
i remember ue server accidentally having an everyone ping years back, my interne...
<_< that was Luos's fault
zinc matrix
it summoned so many
i want a manny server emoji
stone saddle
i think the most recent one was someone had tried to do it, and a mod striked them, but the bot like repeated the text that was striked, but the bot had permission to ping, so it actually pinged everyone lol
or something like that
zinc matrix
Server blackhole haha
stone saddle
lol
deep copper
the more i look at the ping the more it looks real...
i know it's not but i think my mind is starting to adapt
deep glen
it fooled me twice as well
unreal ether
Is there any easy way to create normal maps? I found a tool from github, i have ...
You can generate them in photoshop based off a colour texture
Also works in photopea if you dont have adobe money
oblique cloak
Also works in photopea if you dont have adobe money
deep glen
i think the most recent one was someone had tried to do it, and a mod striked th...
yea, this happened too
oblique cloak
is what i use lol
unreal ether
Ye you can do it photoshop
deep copper
i recall there's an addon for gimp, and i really can't use gimp at all
but if you are into that, maybe
zinc matrix
https://github.com/Theverat/NormalmapGenerator?msclkid=033d72f4b1cb11ec87d829d21...
does it do the job?
oblique cloak
I used fireworks all my life, idk i just know the flow
YEAH MAN!
hold up ill ss
I only imported this image
and it generates all of these
deep copper
<_< that was Luos's fault
wait wth this is lous' account
deep glen
I purchased it with VBucks
deep copper
i was like who is this mod i have heard the name before, guess what it's lous
luos
zinc matrix
this is gonna be my awnser wheh people ask me where my new shoelaces came from
deep copper
this is gonna be my awnser wheh people ask me where my new shoelaces came from
say this when people ask "who pinged"
zinc matrix
https://github.com/Theverat/NormalmapGenerator?msclkid=033d72f4b1cb11ec87d829d21...
im saving this one for later, thanks good stuff
oblique cloak
im saving this one for later, thanks good stuff
np man its easy workflow. lol I find the easiest way to do everything. why work hard, when someone else already did.
zinc matrix
yeah gotta get there somehow
oblique cloak
xD
verbal junco
it took some 20 years, but someone actually one up'd korn's old song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zGrCnoNYIQ
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWChhdIgT6Q Pantera one-upped Black Sabbath.
deep copper
it does happen
dim quartz
you had me..........
boreal moss
it took me a long time to realize
oblique cloak
Classic retarget mode for ue5 please π
deep glen
unreal engine on facebook:
https://i.gyazo.com/73a0b604faaa429ba77e7fd0d380b5c4.jpg
@rancid root <_<
rancid root
wary egret
I loved that show as a kid
deep glen
+1
wary egret
(showing my age)
rapid fox
Not the momma
stone saddle
NOT THE MOMMA
wary egret
β€οΈ
stone saddle
love that show
fluid bloom
that the show where it's implied they die in the end?
pearl elk
I always wanted a Flinstones and Dinosaurs crossover
oblique cloak
you know what crossover i wanted sense it started???? Imagine a osmoses jones covid crossover.
pallid hawk
Why
plush urchin
you
zinc matrix
that the show where it's implied they die in the end?
yep, climate changed and they all kinda die π¦
rapid fox
you know what crossover i wanted sense it started???? Imagine a osmoses jones co...
Was crazy watching Hancock slap the crap out of Osmosis Jones π€£
verbal junco
yep, climate changed and they all kinda die π¦
just like in real lifeβ’οΈ
zinc matrix
just like in real lifeβ’οΈ
haha yeh but cant realy remember how it was kinda strange they caused it somehow while they were dino's xD agry video gamenerd did a show on it
oblique cloak
Im sick of copying and pasting from google images to my model...
does anyone know what font heckler and koch use?
google does not know >_<
stone saddle
somehow i thought i remembered them dying to the meteor or something, but i was wrong XD
rapid fox
does anyone know what font heckler and koch use?
I think it's just a custom for their logo. Not sure anyone ever made an entire font?
glad granite
yup no one made a font for it
lapis brook
I hate the new logo
oblique cloak
I think it's just a custom for their logo. Not sure anyone ever made an entire f...
see the words on the gun that say usp tactical, that's what i am looking for π
lapis brook
That got me for a solid minute
oblique cloak
That got me for a solid minute
took me 20 i forgot what day it was.
deep copper
what got me was "nah no way the ue guys would do a fools day joke"
"it has to be a discord stealth update"
fleet tangle
Even so. It's not a joke. It's just annoying.
turbid spindleBOT
:triangular_flag_on_post: Daekesh#2606 received strike 1. As a result, they were muted for 10 minutes.
rapid fox
I know about it and still get drawn back in.
deep copper
no wonder lounge is more active today
deep copper
or rather there are new names here
verbal junco
some people get creative with april fools: ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhuNRWskgNQ||
deep copper
why is it in spoiler?
oblique cloak
well, the wording nsfw.
deep copper
ah, double meanings?
oblique cloak
yeah π
rapid fox
or rather there are new names here
Eh just not lurking right now
rapid fox
Sometimes. π I don't frequent here often since I work like a crazy person. But taking advantage of the foolishness to relax a bit
undone lion
I just wanna say I dislike this april fools. Actively making me browse for any pings π
deep copper
april fool's is the best day to go antisocial
undone lion
Only twisted masterminds would think up something like this π©
deep copper
or you can enjoy it like william up there
fleet tangle
I just wanna say I dislike this april fools. Actively making me browse for any p...
I thought it was a good idea, at first. Totally got me too. Now it just won't go away.
undone lion
I thought it was a good idea, at first. Totally got me too. Now it just won't go...
I need it to go away π
It is funny, though.
stone saddle
i made the damn thing, and it keeps drawing my attention too, i feel you lol
fleet tangle
I already know somebody who's just left the server because of it.
deep copper
it would be less painful if it was 2 or 4 or something but 1 is like "it's just 1, where WHERE"
undone lion
i made the damn thing, and it keeps drawing my attention too, i feel you lol
It was very well done, it feels perfectly done too.
rapid fox
I knew it had to be someone's fault. Wasn't expecting the perpetrator to own it π
charred crag
So I spend really some minutes trying to find out who pinged me. uff. Best aprils fool so far!
undone lion
Knowing it messes with him makes me feel slightly better π
stone saddle
lol
worldly sapphire
Some @ me, I want to see how it looks like with a notification on top
worldly sapphire
you can tell a real ping apart from the server icon
Thanks now I won't be fooled
rapid fox
It won't stop messing with me, but I'm glad cuz now I can chat it up in here instead of working. Mwahahahahhaa
worldly sapphire
Spoiler: I will be
stone saddle
and if you have servers in groups, it doesn't show on the group folder obviously
and if you're on mobile, it doesn't look real at all
many situations where it doesn't work
deep copper
and if you're on mobile, it doesn't look real at all
yeah it's weird in mobile at a glance,
charred crag
gosh this triggers me very hard. I think I got fooled twice now. I feel like a goldfish forgetting it after 2 seconds
deep copper
it's okay, now when the real ping comes tommorow , you will forget it!
fleet tangle
Kinda reminds me of these bollards they set up near here outside a school. They painted them to look like school kids, probably so people thought there were kids there. But now they're just always going to assume any child they spot is a bollard.
deep copper
less guilt if anything happens
rapid fox
Tomorrow I won't get any pings cuz I'm not active here and haven't shown my progress here yet π maybe can find something for screenshot Saturday though
stone saddle
maybe if we planned on having this for some extended period of time, sure, but
it's one day, it'll be ok lol
deep copper
how about changing it randomly to random numbers on some days? π
verbal junco
Tomorrow I won't get any pings cuz I'm not active here and haven't shown my prog...
I'm sure someone can find a reason to ping you tomorrow
deep copper
if you want a ping, join the brother cult and ask @brisk ether for ping
rapid fox
Hey you just did. Wow that does look strange. Lol
dark sequoia
some people get creative with april fools: ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehu...
really? thats nsfw enough to have to spoiler it? i havent even heard of that term before, LOL!!11
wary egret
deep copper
really? thats nsfw enough to have to spoiler it? i havent even heard of that ter...
i still don't know what it implies
dark sequoia
well im guessing its sexual
wary egret
finaly found it lol
dark sequoia
but a vague term regardless
rapid fox
Appreciate the offer. Maybe one day when I've earned the ping. π
deep copper
not at all creepy
hey now! atleast i didn't do anything to you today, besides they still responded see, it's okay
verbal junco
hey now! atleast i didn't do anything to you today, besides they still responded...
people are being polite
rapid fox
Always am
tacit rain
goddamn fake notification got me
fluid bloom
do they sell mutti brand canned tomatos wherever you guys live?
I fucking hate these cans
why aren't these stackable!?!?!
tacit rain
was looking for the ping for so long
coral dust
deep copper
goddamn fake notification got me
your no pfp goes well with a fake ping
rapid fox
Yea that had me do a double take.
tacit rain
what can I say, it fits the name
deep copper
godot had a funny april 1 article last year i think
wait not last year, they have been doing it for a while it seems
stone saddle
have ya'll see stack overflow's april fools joke?
deep copper
https://godotengine.org/article/godot-aims-mainstream i meant this one
verbal junco
have ya'll see stack overflow's april fools joke?
no because nobody seems to want to post links to any aprils fools
deep copper
have ya'll see stack overflow's april fools joke?
the theme thing? they really put in quite some effort if thats a joke
cursive crypt
oh no
undone lion
Eek, I can't read it.
verbal junco
I think my scriptblocker blocks all of that nonsense π
stone saddle
cursive crypt
In fact, this might sell as a top notch renderer
stone saddle
i don't post in text channels tbh
you guys are terrifying
i stay hidden in voice chat
my safe place
deep copper
that's kinda cool! i did see it but on phone it's not that good
verbal junco
you guys are terrifying
voice chat is the terrifying chat
cursive crypt
*yelling chat
deep copper
yeah idk how you find voice easier
stone saddle
you should join when a moderator is around, it's quite pleasant, however, i'm informed that majority of the time it's quite good
every once in a while, a situation will happen, but it's not often, and getting rarer and rarer ^_^
verbal junco
a situation? π
stone saddle
like disrupters, trouble makers, etc
cursive crypt
a situation? π
Average feet pic exchange
deep copper
voice chat is quite an investing form of chat :(
btw you should also talk to us text peasants here once in a while! you seem very warm and fuzzy
stone saddle
but generally speaking, people are pretty well behaved
rapid fox
like disrupters, trouble makers, etc
stone saddle
honestly, i'm generally far too busy to read chat often, voice is just more convenient for me to participate in while also being productive
deep copper
i really haven't been in enough vc to know the possibilities π¨
stone saddle
we give tons and tons of help in voice chat every day
deep copper
honestly, i'm generally far too busy to read chat often, voice is just more conv...
that, makes sense, you can say the thing about 5x or 10x quicker
verbal junco
honestly, i'm generally far too busy to read chat often, voice is just more conv...
speaking of voice channels, why isn't there a design channel?
stone saddle
do you mean the artist alley?
verbal junco
well yeah, similar, but for designers
deep copper
do you mean designers aren't artists?
cursive crypt
I have good ideas about cube designs.
verbal junco
not in a conventional sense no
stone saddle
well, depends on which aspect if design he's referering to
you have design and Design
rapid fox
Vc would probably be too fast for me. I've only been working in unreal for 14 months so I'm still green and like to go slow.
pearl compass
If someone is creating something from nothing they are an artist
verbal junco
design sits at the cusp of science and art
stone saddle
game design is different than designing assets for a game
cursive crypt
I sometimes try to design stories too.
deep copper
this seems like a ,very deep topic
dark sequoia
and then theres stuff like graphic design being its own thing too
stone saddle
meh
verbal junco
game design is different than designing assets for a game
right yeah, this is the distinction I'd make basically
pearl compass
And every single thing you have described is Art
verbal junco
I'd also not ever say anyone is "designing" assets, I'd say they're creating them
stone saddle
art and design is different
verbal junco
but hey
stone saddle
art asks questions, design answers questions
rapid fox
Also Ark. Have you seen those dinosaurs?? Oooo
stone saddle
design is problem solving with a process, art is aesthetics
verbal junco
Art and Design is not different
well going by your definition everything is art and everyone is an artist, so making any distinction is pointless
pearl compass
Art doesn't ask any questions
Art is literally just art it's literally defined as an expression
dark sequoia
in order to create a model for example, a structure for it still is needed afterall... aka, a design. characters especially
pearl compass
Kind of like what we're doing here, putting our words in text
stone saddle
expressions are for interpretation, thus the question
verbal junco
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
pearl compass
I don't do art to ask question bro
That is your subjective opinion of your own art
Art is merely an expression of you
verbal junco
I honestly prefer the word craft because the word "art" is loaded
stone saddle
yes, and when other people injest your art, they are interpreting it, and that is an open ended question
cursive crypt
Design is about creating function out of other parts, art is about inspiring an emotion from other parts.
They can cover each other, but are not the same. Goals are different.
verbal junco
and really, already in use in the games industry
dark sequoia
Art is merely an expression of you
^ yup pretty much
verbal junco
"artist" is a role to me, not a blanket definition
stone saddle
design, is the coffee handle on your cup, it's not there for interpretation, it's there to solve a specific problem
dark sequoia
i dont want people to eat my art though D:
pearl compass
So basically if I draw coffee cup I'm an artist but if I draw one on drafting paper I'm a designer?
rapid fox
Art is an expression of the artist I'm working with.
dark sequoia
unless im a chef
pearl compass
Do you even hear how ridiculous your argument sounds?
stone saddle
no
verbal junco
Do you even hear how ridiculous your argument sounds?
I could ask you the same
dark sequoia
uh o..
cursive crypt
So basically if I draw coffee cup I'm an artist but if I draw one on drafting pa...
You miss the context tho.
rustic aurora
why does this server have a red dot that I cannot clear
pearl compass
I mean you guys are arguing with somebody who has literally been doing design and art for 25 years but okay I guess you know
verbal junco
why does this server have a red dot that I cannot clear
oh you poor innocent person
stone saddle
I mean you guys are arguing with somebody who has literally been doing design an...
ditto lol
π
cursive crypt
Yeah, we old dinosaurs too. lol ^
verbal junco
I mean you guys are arguing with somebody who has literally been doing design an...
just because you've been doing "art" doesn't mean your opinion is correct
pearl compass
ditto lol
And you're telling me after 25 years of design and art you have no understanding of what the definition of art is?
verbal junco
or in any way objective
pearl compass
Do you really want me to post the definition from the dictionary? Sounds like you're just being obtuse at this point
verbal junco
Do you really want me to post the definition from the dictionary? Sounds like yo...
I posted the definition
verbal junco
> the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typical...
@pearl compass
dark sequoia
i like anime because it is Acute, rather than Obtuse 
stone saddle
my recommendation is to pump the brakes and calm down, regardless ^^
rapid fox
So design can sometimes = art but also art != design
rapid fox
stone saddle
we can have a conversation without attempting to belittle or insult people and if you can't, well, there's solutions for that ^_^
dark sequoia
well someone had to write that definition, which is still based on an opinion. to be fair
cursive crypt
Now... design
pearl compass
So your solution to your own argument is to throw people off the server because you don't like the answers that you're getting? lol
verbal junco
So design can sometimes = art but also art != design
yeah I think that's correct. just like a car is a vehicle, but not all vehicles are cars
dark sequoia
uh oh
stone saddle
no, my solution for someone who can't act civil is
pearl compass
All design is Art. Not all art is design
verbal junco
So your solution to your own argument is to throw people off the server because ...
you're not offering any solutions here. so your argument is just "art"
stone saddle
someone designed the lug nut that goes on my car wheel, not sure if that is considered art
but if you say so ^_^
pearl compass
The original statement was that design and art are two different things
All design is Art not all art is design
cursive crypt
Uuuh.... design != art, but they can be the same, sure
pearl compass
That's the literal solution to your problem
stone saddle
a solution for something can utilize both, but they are different skill sets
dark sequoia
well there are car enthusiasts who view such a thing like that as art. it depends on one's interests too really, and all that
verbal junco
someone designed the lug nut that goes on my car wheel, not sure if that is cons...
but if you look closely, that lug nut may look like a picasso painting perhaps? maybe lug nut connoisseurs could tell the difference? π€ ||I am being facetious||
pearl compass
Game Dev is art
rapid fox
Clearly this can only be solved by y'all competing on Lego Masters
pearl compass
Do people not understand the word expression?
stone saddle
technical designers and technical artists have different titles for a reason ^_^
pearl compass
Yes because they're in unions and we pay them differently
cursive crypt
Behold my art of using excel formulas tho. It is possible.
stone saddle
and i said before, art is a tool for expression, design is a tool for problem solving
verbal junco
Do people not understand the word expression?
yeah but your definition is pointless. everything is art by following your logic. it's a pointless argument
pearl compass
I literally set up front that all expression is art
stone saddle
you can use both at the same time, but they are different skill sets
cursive crypt
#design-chat
verbal junco
am I ever going to live this joke down?
timber viper
Who heated the lounge again
timber viper
I also went to outside today, it was awful
deep copper
it turned to a design vs art when ! joined
verbal junco
I just asked if we could have a design VC
cursive crypt
hmm... okay
stone saddle
I also went to outside today, it was awful
X_X
dark sequoia
a person who must design and code art creating software must be really damn skillful! :3
verbal junco
I also went to outside today, it was awful
cursive crypt
5.0?
stone saddle
have you tried shutting it down and starting it back up again?
verbal junco
get out of ukraine π
deep copper
come to me
rapid fox
Outside does suck.
pearl elk
heh UE old logo
deep copper
yeah okay i get it, enough reactions lol, such reluctance
dark sequoia
Unity Engine
rapid fox
Bruh
dark sequoia
lol
deep copper
abUseUnity?
cursive crypt
#define false true
deep copper
CPP is peace
pearl elk
bNotUseUnity = True;
verbal junco
hill: it's ok to say "the" ukraine, fite me
rapid fox
Html from the 90s is the superior coding
cursive crypt
I dunno, not sure what about.
timber viper
Html from the 90s is the superior coding
TIL how to code with Ruby
Ruby is superior
deep copper
i have heard of ruby on rails
dark sequoia
rename cpp channel to ccp for epic lawlz
verbal junco
Ruby is superior
superior to what?
deep copper
~~rename cpp channel to ccp for epic lawlz~~
what's ccp
dark sequoia
lol
timber viper
TIL how to code with Ruby
Random C++ channel I joined for emojis turned their channel to Ruby for april fools joke
timber viper
superior to what?
everything obv
verbal junco
I think Lorash is the authority on which programming languages are top tier
timber viper
Chaining.things.is.kinda.weird.though
dark sequoia
what's ccp
ccp = chinese community party (which is the joke)
cursive crypt
The other day talked with a girl, she said Ruby is like PHP.
timber viper
what do you think about true and false are different types though
verbal junco
maybe time for a real tier list?
cursive crypt
I have no idea, she knows more than me.
verbal junco
hit me
timber viper
maybe time for a real tier list?
say c# and lorash will like it
dark sequoia
π€π»
cursive crypt
But I knew a guy who was into a Ruby, who was mumbling non-stop about Test Driven Development.
verbal junco
or worse, emotionally
cursive crypt
Skooma
pearl elk
its not a skooma
deep copper
i hope you don't mean js like thing where 1000s line minified is 1 line
dark sequoia
wut u guys think about Lua
fathom wadi
Oh Ruby. Don't take your love to town /sings
cursive crypt
Several years later, he said TDD = meh
pearl elk
Pythong
dark sequoia
learned a bit of it a few months back, so I can script stuff for Tabletop Simulator. its pretty neat
verbal junco
Several years later, he said TDD = meh
how long until people who go by the book realize that the book is a guide not gospel
dark sequoia
CumButt
cursive crypt
Agile
verbal junco
so which scrumButs are you implementing currently?
twin bison
haha sticky notification xD
dark sequoia
that word offends me D:
cursive crypt
Hey... we had a good amount of money thrown at How to be Agile
twin bison
@deep glen ? π€£
verbal junco
I've worked with a producer who did scrum by the book
cursive crypt
We had a colleague too, Agile master... left 2 months after that promotion.
verbal junco
I cannot recommend
deep copper
why is it called scrum tho
verbal junco
if your system causes you to fight with people or puts department against department, it is not worth following
dark sequoia
i took college classes for "game design" and majority of them focused on scrum shit and nothing else... only one class was worth anything and it was the class that had introduced me to UE4. so at least thats something
verbal junco
I remember reading a story about a guy who was hire twice at the same company, at the same time. he'd go between floors so that it'd look like he was in for the entire day on both ends
pearl elk
Im too agile for scrum to work by the book
thin storm
I smell some little ping trolling here.
pearl elk
I get everyone to plank during meetings
timber viper
who cares about sprints anyway
cursive crypt
I think that was invented by startup kiddos
pearl elk
helps with the sprints
timber viper
I dont believe in their religion
dark sequoia
i literally cant work with schedules at all and even causes me to do less work compared to if i dont. when i work on projects I just work until its done, simple as that
verbal junco
task breakdown makes sense so that people don't get overwhelmed, but especially in game dev there isn't a one size fits all
pearl elk
have you ever tried telling someone to "be creative" and did it work
how long did it take to kick in π
timber viper
We'll follow the path of Miguel, towards dragonHell
verbal junco
implementing a system as a programmer vs completing a level as LD are two different scopes
one lasts until the end of production, the other maybe a few months (but both need to fit the idea of a sprint)
dark sequoia
uh o, time for another debate
twin bison
dragon hell syndrome π
cursive crypt
Don't mention his name without purpose.
dark sequoia
i think its a metal band
cursive crypt
It is holy.
timber viper
dragon hell syndrome π
cursive crypt
It is art, not sense.
dark sequoia
no, its design
twin bison
its an ideology
verbal junco
maybe scrum is art π€
dark sequoia
scrum is filler
cursive crypt
Makes sense. Because it is hardly a design.
verbal junco
cursive crypt
That from the Bible I suppose.
verbal junco
also how pretentious do you have to be to call a meeting a "ceremony"
implying some sort of holy ritual
I guess buzz words are the sex of language... and sex sells π
UML needs to die
twin bison
did you see tim sweeny one of the mods ? xD
deep copper
implying some sort of holy ritual
it does sounds religion like from what you guys discribed
cursive crypt
UML needs to die
Long live simple rects
verbal junco
if you can't start implementing a class without knowing all the functions it needs I'd say that's a red flag. but maybe that's just me
timber viper
weebs can not have it
cursive crypt
if you can't start implementing a class without knowing all the functions it nee...
Wait, don't you code first, then see what you wanted to achieve?
verbal junco
~~weebs can not have it~~
verbal junco
Wait, don't you code first, then see what you wanted to achieve?
how granular do you need to set your intention before you start doing something?
hopefully not, I'd expect programmers to be more competent. but hey, I've been disappointed in the past
deep copper
depends, if you consider "hello world"ers as programmers..
verbal junco
then again I used to think senior LDs would know their shit. turns out much fewer do than anticipated π
imagine redoing the UML every time
dark sequoia
what about writing it curved
pearl elk
I do UML using paper
verbal junco
I'm sure some business people or managers insist on it somewhere
pearl elk
then I make a paper prototype from the paper UML
dark sequoia
lulz
pearl elk
then I make Paper Mario from the paper prototype
deep copper
then I make Paper Mario from the paper prototype
when will you get to making paper plane
verbal junco
I'm sorry
rapid fox
This is why I blueprint π€£ easy for me to go "this is what I want" slap a bunch together as a concept and refine from there till I get where I want to be.
verbal junco
my condolences
pearl elk
when will you get to making paper plane
I can file that one under done
dark sequoia
Blueprints are kewl :3
stone saddle
Blueprints are kewl :3
no, you're kewl :3
dark sequoia
lol
timber viper
Blueprints are bae
verbal junco
This is why I blueprint π€£ easy for me to go "this is what I want" slap a bunch ...
this works if you're doing small scale stuff. just wait until you need to architect several classes and you'll see the tech debt rack up
dark sequoia
plus Blueprints encourage people to eventually get into C++, at least I'd imagine so
rapid fox
Tech debt go!
dark sequoia
o
timber viper
plus Blueprints encourage people to eventually get into C++, at least I'd imagin...
Desire of developing a good game encourage them
When they see 6ms of overhead for their BP classes
dark sequoia
well it does for me, cause I wasnt interested at all beforehand prior to using UE4
timber viper
They wish they would know C++
rapid fox
C++ is on my "to learn" list.
dark sequoia
but yeah as a result of working with Blueprints, I may look into C++ later.
although on the other hand, I hate Visual Studio so..
rapid fox
I stare at automotive wiring diagrams all day so blueprints makes sense, in a strange sort of way
verbal junco
Desire of developing a good game encourage them
someone should do a drake meme about people whining about optimization in #blueprint but also refusing to learn #cpp
timber viper
but yeah as a result of working with Blueprints, I may look into C++ later.
We'll take good care of you in #cpp , with our toxic memes and sarcasm
deep copper
perhaps in a few months or so, lol
have you decided on an ide ?
dark sequoia
ide?
pearl elk
stop trying to feed people through their butts
verbal junco
yeah I see this too much and it pisses me off like nothing else
rapid fox
Southpark reference. Heyo
timber viper
Want me to drop the bomb?
pearl elk
UE 1.1
dark sequoia
I like to use Notepad++, tbh. at least when I was doing Lua scripting
verbal junco
just keep dividing by 2 to give them more time
timber viper
I like to use Notepad++, tbh. at least when I was doing Lua scripting
You would use 
for UE (kaboom)
verbal junco
assume 128 bit precision!
verbal junco
You would use <:rider:434002878793777162> for UE (kaboom)
rider is for kid
rapid fox
I don't even know what they counting down for. I'm just waiting for the payoff.
dark sequoia
as for Visual Studio, its sometimes slow and wants to have updates everytime I turn it on, and have to save multiple different times just to compile it for UE4 project rather than just pushing one button for a Blueprint, heh
timber viper
Its not slow, download more ram
fiery meteor
dark sequoia
lol true to be fair
timber viper
as for Visual Studio, its sometimes slow and wants to have updates everytime I t...
VS for boomers, forget it
deep copper
I don't even know what they counting down for. I'm just waiting for the payoff.
it's a joke here that they have war between those fancy notepads
verbal junco
is 128 bit floating point precision called a doubledouble?
timber viper
is 128 bit floating point precision called a doubledouble?
loooooooooooooooooooong loooooooooooooooooooong
dark sequoia
C++ in regular Notepad
twin bison
maybe one day microsoft will fix tha lag issue when plugins parsing source
timber viper
Can I simulate universe with this
rapid fox
it's a joke here that they have war between those fancy notepads
I use it post it notes at work. Then if I've managed to keep them in order by the time I get home I can try out my ideas.
deep copper
C++ in regular Notepad
you just need a way to compile it ig
verbal junco
Can I simulate universe with this
only on a non quantum scale
dark sequoia
I actually very briefly messed with C++ a few years back, just so I could mod a game and re-compile the exe lol
timber viper
only on a non quantum scale
Do I need quantum computers for that
verbal junco
Do I need quantum computers for that
well you at least need something to compute planck length
or you could fake it by using units I suppose
dark sequoia
the game also had its source code available too! so that was fun to look through
legally of course
deep copper
so you are familiar with code, no wonder you are okay leaving bp
timber viper
well you at least need something to compute planck length
So you say UE cant do that? 
1.61622837 Γ 10-35 meters
dark sequoia
I didnt know anything at all, i just changed things back and forth over and over until the game did what I wanted
deep copper
that sounds Adorable
dark sequoia
I did the same with Lua scripts and I was able to learn the basics of Lua after only about a week or two, without prior experience
timber viper
I really need Ruby to design K2Nodes
dark sequoia
also working with Blueprints actually helped with that
verbal junco
1.61622837 Γ 10-35 meters
The simple summary of Mead's answer is that it is impossible, using the known laws of quantum mechanics and the known behavior of gravity, to determine a position to a precision smaller than the Planck length
I guess we're good
dark sequoia
since it has the same common names and terms (most code does)
verbal junco
I really need Ruby to design K2Nodes
K2Node editor when?
dark sequoia
so thats why i feel a bit more comfortable trying to learn C++ eventually i guess
timber viper
K2Node editor when?
Never, but it will always live in my dreams
verbal junco
Never, but it will always live in my dreams
I'll give you $50 to make it
dark sequoia
although i dont have the time right now, so it'll have to wait
verbal junco
that's like, at least 40 kebabs
deep copper
so thats why i feel a bit more comfortable trying to learn C++ eventually i gues...
goodluck ! and keep in mind, never use "hot reload" that causes 70% bugs in #cpp
verbal junco
I was just calculating that
dark sequoia
goodluck ! and keep in mind, never use "hot reload" that causes 70% bugs in <#22...
that sounds like a sex term
deep copper
that sounds like a sex term
it's when the engine is still turned on and you change your stuff in code
dark sequoia
I see
timber viper
I was robbed of my kebab
How? lol
timber viper
lmao
deep copper
I got delivered someone else's order
sue them
timber viper
I got delivered someone else's order
Bad kebab restourant 
what a shame
deep copper
you waited for it, you were hungry, your expectations betrayed. that's really, heartbreaking
verbal junco
Bad kebab restourant <a:bad:832218587137310720> what a shame
it wasn't the restaurant, it was the uber eats driver
wanton citrus
Wait, is the icon a gif now that only shows a new message when I'm not on the server?
dark sequoia
deep copper
Wait, is the icon a gif now that only shows a new message when I'm not on the se...
OMG
that's wonderful
proud jay
this server icon is nice april fools
deep copper
that's how updates should be, it will keep people coming back here to check
timber viper
this server icon is nice april fools
Some pinged you at #cpp though
jade forum
jeez
jade forum
i clicked mark as read like 5 times today on this server
timber viper
i will pin you here if you want
No, no one is allowed to* read Dieter's messages
jade forum
just found out its april fools joke....
proud jay
yeah I was checking the inbox a few times before realizing it lol
deep copper
No, no one is allowed to* read Dieter's messages
why :( ?
stone saddle
as per a suggestion, i have made it into a 10 second gif, with the first frame being the ping icon only
dark sequoia
Woofer
deep copper
It's *Dieter*
does that mean anything?
timber viper
does that mean anything?
yes
proud jay
clearly you weren't born in cpp
verbal junco
as per a suggestion, i have made it into a 10 second gif, with the first frame b...
doesn't gif for me π’
stone saddle
dark sequoia
yeah animated ones activate when highlighted only
deep copper
clearly you weren't born in cpp
adopt me π₯Ί
deep copper
i was thinking that ue would never keep animated icons and banner or play into jokes
deep copper
they have animated icon AND for April's fool now
deep copper
you will have to call me daddy then though
yes daddy <3
zinc matrix
what are good games i can play with only mousehand
proud jay
fap simulator
timber viper
yes daddy <3
timber viper
what are good games i can play with only mousehand
osu
verbal junco
clicker hero
timber viper
wait, you play with keyboard?
zinc matrix
π€
proud jay
how can you play anything over 2 stars without keyboard
twin bison
bruh who plays anime games in 2022
verbal junco
someone should make clicker clicker hero. where every time you click, you spawn a new instance of hero clicker hero, where you have to click
timber viper
how can you play anything over 2 stars without keyboard
With some suffering, but I do
zinc matrix
my wrist is broken, so i only have one hand xD
proud jay
With some suffering, but I do
you must hate yourself
verbal junco
@timber viper did I already mention code bullet to you?
timber viper
you must hate yourself
Is it that obvious 
proud jay
my wrist is broken, so i only have one hand xD
runescape π§
timber viper
<@!748517221608980631> did I already mention code bullet to you?
No
deep copper
my wrist is broken, so i only have one hand xD
how did you break it though? hope nothing serious
verbal junco
did I mention I love this dude
timber viper
yeah, we watched another of the videos together at #gameplay-ai
verbal junco
he's like a younger, more polite version of me π₯²
deep copper
he's like a younger, more polite version of me π₯²
so you are an experienced aggressive version ...?
timber viper
CE didnt became in one day
verbal junco
if you've never heard of idle click games, then congratulations you've lived a pretty fulfilling life... let's put an end to it
deep copper
no one loves lounge
but they love you <3
or not, since they are not reading your messages
verbal junco
CE didnt became <:cranz:956319242230304880> in one day
before the mask there was the π
lmao discord trolling me
deep copper
lmao discord trolling me
fool's day fool's day
twin bison
@brisk ether where u at
verbal junco
typed in :pen and first result was π . did it again and got π§
cursive crypt
lounge is green cpp
no
deep copper
typed in `:pen` and first result was π . did it again and got π§
that's that penguin that writes
analysis
proud jay
typed in `:pen` and first result was π . did it again and got π§
:pen is
timber viper
Discord loves me more
deep copper
what is, penguwuin even
deep copper
that's, sweet
timber viper
deep copper
i thought pen island
verbal junco
<:penguwuin:864249798668583002>
cute overload
ah at least I got a discount coupon
woop, half price
deep copper
wdym ? π€
timber viper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldaescGA1dY
Music is so cool
deep copper
just assume any price given to you *already half price*
so assume the original price was double?
timber viper
lol
verbal junco
I bet Trump does something like this
deep copper
i mean, it would definitely be double if you give it enough time
verbal junco
that's some MVP code shit
timber viper
better than Lorash's favorite mutable
May dragonHell make you work with a framework full of mutable TUniquePtr<>s lorash
timber viper
you can shoten that to "may dragonHell make you work"
Sometimes I question how Lorash can be that much active in #cpp and has a a client
deep copper
cats have 9 lives
zinc matrix
how did you break it though? hope nothing serious
i fell last weekend, it's okay just getting bored of modeling and stuff in ue for a bit, im gonna try monkey island xD
deep copper
i fell last weekend, it's okay just getting bored of modeling and stuff in ue fo...
hope you get well soon!
timber viper
haters gonna hate
deep copper
shouta* sounds like shorter too, in a way
timber viper
not at all questioning myself the same way
work on your own game pls
verbal junco
work on your own game pls
eventually I'll get my motivation back
deep copper
they are, the game of life π
verbal junco
ngl kind of sucks not having feedback on the game
deep copper
such a cat thing to say
verbal junco
yes very kawaii π
rapid fox
ngl kind of sucks not having feedback on the game
Free feedback. Inquire within
verbal junco
I should have stipulated
deep copper
"ask your inner kid"
verbal junco
professionalβ’οΈ feedback
tbh I'm more looking for a way to reorganize my data
possibly without having to GAS everything
(not in a hitleresque fashion, although tantamount to the same)
I'd show you my code but I think you'd get a stroke reading it
get? gain? suffer a stroke? I wonder what the correct term is
you gained: stroke!
timber viper
you gained: stroke!
is this included in game
verbal junco
is this included in game
possibly, if you don't enjoy yourself
I'm not actively intending on giving anyone a stroke
y'all are too clever, I can't weasel my way out of this
but what I can do, is post this clip because it's hilarious: https://youtu.be/os4DcbpL0Nc?t=352
dunno but I use this: https://ttsmp3.com/
you're welcome
zinc matrix
You guys recommend Civilization V or VI ?
verbal junco
V
burnt lake
verbal junco
controversial
verbal junco
deep copper
I'm not actively intending on giving anyone a stroke
I'll take anything you give ! and treasure it <3, even if stroke
timber viper
https://discord.com/channels/187217643009212416/225448446956404738/9595050478536...
Loool
sly trellis
godot had a funny april 1 article last year i think
Yea look at this 2022 joke https://twitter.com/reduzio/status/1509831972360802305
Twitter
Godot 5 confirmed 100% real no fake ultra hd 4k plus UE 9000
deep copper
[GONE WRONG]
sly trellis
Not to mention that release will include nanite 2.0 for low end pc and sdfgi 2.0 stronger than lumen of ue6 with more tools than unreal engine.
deep copper
and it will definitely just be 2mbs
dark sequoia
Gal Gadot? :p
deep copper
Gadotte is their 2021 fool's joke
zinc matrix
dos mega boops
deep copper
π
verbal junco
why is it aprils fool and not aprils food smh
opaque stump
verbal junco
https://c.tenor.com/Fz7SOJfCXcgAAAAM/fake-ping-ping.gif
I've seen this like 10 times today and it still hasn't gotten old
opaque stump
they definitely deserve an award for making it a gif
true, havent seen that one in a while
balmy kiln
GG.
thought for half a day that discord broke π
deep copper
"it's not a bug it's a feature"
that's also not a bug, it's a feature, designed that way so you can tell apart the real pings without letting the joke harm you once you know about it :D
old gazelle
I'm even less fun, but having it there for hours is making me want to leave this server. It's driving me insane.
cursive crypt
I have heard that if you transfer some money to their crypto wallet, they will remove that ping for you.
deep copper
i never seen this person before
old gazelle
Yeah there's no meta channel.
rapid fox
Lurkers of the world. Unite!!!!
timber viper
@verbal junco have you ever ate cigkofte yet
verbal junco
is that liver?
timber viper
wat
verbal junco
ciger
verbal junco
ohhh it's raw
verbal junco
I would if I trusted any restaurant here to have clean enough stuff to pull this off π
timber viper
Unless they really try hard they can't make it that bad, I'd give it a try
cursive crypt
is that liver?
Btw, fried livers with onion and peppers is nice.
unreal ether
I would if I trusted any restaurant here to have clean enough stuff to pull this...
like both of my local kebab places have a solid 1 food health rating lmao
timber viper
like both of my local kebab places have a solid 1 food health rating lmao
like 1/5?
cursive crypt
Who left then?
zinc matrix
lol i can't even get trough the tutorial of Civ V π₯±
cursive crypt
There is few pixels offset, I wouldn't even bother.
cursive crypt
Partikel
timber viper
oh nice to know
deep copper
i think it's a misspelled "particle"
cursive crypt
He left.
timber viper
Damn π¦
rapid fox
Dang. And I'm gunna need one of those one day.
cursive crypt
Take a slacker instead.
deep copper
if 1 ping icon drives them away, with -1 ping icons, they should come
rapid fox
Oh I'll definitely be looking in the slackers when the time comes
remote fog
That notification thing bothered me a lot lol. I can't stand seeing notification warnings anywhere.
cursive crypt
OCD? π€
remote fog
might be
verbal junco
if 1 ping icon drives them away, with -1 ping icons, they should come
infallible logic
stone saddle
if an icon change for 5 hours is enough for him to throw a tantrum, i dunno what to say to be honest :/
timber viper
if an icon change for 5 hours is enough for him to throw a tantrum, i dunno what...
Some people really cant stand it and I understand how they feel about this
not saying specific to partikel
deep copper
i can see some server icon blocker addon being successful for next april fool's
timber viper
From my perspective I dont care that much
cursive crypt
When that little thing bugs you
tribal cypress
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/222838433566031872/959501324737728562/D...
Why is this happening? π€
verbal junco
From my perspective I dont care that much
I can understand it but equally I'm not borthered by it
deep copper
as a Mobile user , i can't even see it
rapid fox
Anbech! Fancy seeing you here π
stone saddle
Why is this happening? π€
i made a 10 second gif, with the first frame being the pinged version, and the rest not pinged
soft night
whne hover over icon the dot go away
stone saddle
when you roll over it, the animation plays
cursive crypt
i made a 10 second gif, with the first frame being the pinged version, and the r...
Ha! Just saw it. Cool π
tribal cypress
Anbech! Fancy seeing you here π
You too my friend π
stone saddle
FUN HAS BEEN CANCELED apparently lol
stray notch
The April fools fake notification number isn't transparent so light mode can tell easily
stone saddle
ooooh
tribal cypress
i made a 10 second gif, with the first frame being the pinged version, and the r...
Ah okay. But why does slackers keep doing this? I muted and suppressed everything π€
verbal junco
FUN HAS BEEN CANCELED apparently lol
can't we have april foods instead of april fools
deep copper
can't we have april foods instead of april fools
how about aprils foot
cursive crypt
can't we have april foods instead of april fools
No food until september.
stone saddle
Ah okay. But why does slackers keep doing this? I muted and suppressed everythin...
cuz it's not real, it's just part of the server icon for today, since it's april fools day
verbal junco
The April fools fake notification number isn't transparent so light mode can tel...
yeah but only the insane would use light mode, so it's lost on them anyway
tribal cypress
cuz it's not real, it's just part of the server icon for today, since it's april...
Ohh.. I feel dumb now.. π
I muted and unmuted. Again and again.. π
verbal junco
CHEWS WISELY
deep copper
a lot of big stuff does weird things on first april, it's expected
rapid fox
I kept coming back to check it also, even after realizing what it was. Got me talking though. π€·ββοΈ
deep copper
I kept coming back to check it also, even after realizing what it was. Got me ta...
"we gained new comrades, and lost a few"
it's basically, a fast forwared cycle of discord server
deep copper
2x discord means 2x CE for the same time? yay!
dark sequoia
from my perspective... woof woof!
deep copper
woof woof woof woof!!!!
dark sequoia
indeed
verbal junco
2x discord means 2x CE for the same time? yay!
stone saddle
Tim is in fact Luos
rapid fox
Man I wish
stone saddle
99.99% of them have like zero activity on the server
deep copper
if you have the server as focused, the gif should play anyway
deep copper
ow
zinc matrix
why is there a notification but I dont see anything
deep copper
well it was about time we lost some members and removed dead weight
cursive crypt
Tim, I wanna pony for Xmas
median wraith
"My dad owls Epic games" πππ
zinc matrix
99.99% of them have like zero activity on the server
why do you think
cursive crypt
Owls?
cursive crypt
deep glen
yes please
rapid fox
Owlception
zinc matrix
why are 99.99% of this server have no acitivity
deep copper
why is there a notification but I dont see anything
i will give you a real ping, see for yourself π
stone saddle
why do you think
that was in context to the small amount of people that left the server due to the april fools joke
zinc matrix
whats the april fools joke
deep copper
99.99% of the people that left have nearly no activity
rapid fox
why are 99.99% of this server have no acitivity
Too many variables. I'm active on another server, have a day job, got a fam that keeps me busy, plus working on my own project. Usually don't have time to browse here.
zinc matrix
99.99% of the people that left have nearly no activity
but why
stone saddle
i decent amount of the community is active to some degree
but most of those that left today, were just lurkers
deep copper
they joined to get help on ue, but if they don't have anything to ask, they don't talk i assume
cursive crypt
i decent amount of the community is active to some degree
Do you have stats actually? Out of curiosity.
zinc matrix
this is so weird
deep copper
i recall pfist sharing a part of it
deep glen
yea, generally I just ask pfist about in depth stats :p
cursive crypt
And he asks Tim
zinc matrix
wait how many people are in this server
stone saddle
67k+
deep copper
this is so weird
it's a server for developing and working, not necessarily talking
so it serves its purpose
rapid fox
That's higher than the population of some towns.
zinc matrix
that's insane
deep copper
this is why you can't get notif for every message here too discord complaints it is too big
zinc matrix
with that amount of people I assumed there would be non stop talking
zinc matrix
this is why you can't get notif for every message here too discord complaints it...
why do they complain
you can mute the server
deep copper
why do they complain
discord complaints, it can't send me a notification for every message here
i want it
cursive crypt
with that amount of people I assumed there would be non stop talking
Well... You can see it now. Last several weeks the #lounge got doubled for some reason.
deep copper
with that amount of people I assumed there would be non stop talking
if people don't talk, it means they are working, it's a good sign
zinc matrix
anybody here works in a game company?
rapid fox
And I am very much not working right now. The ac machine is stuck in purging air mode so all I can do is wait for it to stop hissing so I can push a button.
deep copper
anybody here works in a game company?
nearly everyone works in something here