lounge

[dark sequoia]

👀

[unreal ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-chicken-funny-ha-ha-cheese-chicken-turkey-gif-20693922

Thats a big block of cheddar

[verbal junco]

a safe option is grapes. almost all cheese goes well with grapes

[cursive crypt]

That turkey will shit a brick

Mango btw

Cheese + mango, wallnuts or dried fruits.

[unreal ether]

But not the ones will holes, the grapes will just falll through

[cursive crypt]

You stick the nuts inside, like how squirrels do.

[deep copper]

oh, okay, all this time i just read "cheese" and bought it if i ever wanted to

[verbal junco]

you gotta pair up the grapes that fit the right holes

[unreal ether]

Who knows maybe they all just fit in the square hole anyway

[deep copper]

it's a puzzle game

[verbal junco]

if a cheese has square holes, run

[unreal ether]

Dont disrespect the minecraft cheese

[cursive crypt]

Reminds me of cubic pigs

[deep copper]

reminds me of fruits in bread

[unreal ether]

I want one of those funky cube watermelons

But i cba to go to japan to get one

[deep copper]

if it doesn't have seeds count me in

[dark sequoia]

you basically grow one inside of a box, if i recall right

thats how they're made

[unreal ether]

Yeah but i also aint boutta babysit a watermelon

[dark sequoia]

lulz

[deep copper]

won't you need the whole plant?

[dark sequoia]

i dunno i aint no farmer :p

[deep copper]

would be so convenient if you could just put it in whatever custom shape

[dark sequoia]

yah

[deep copper]

and it doesn't die if you forget to water it

[unreal ether]

Please delete this

Its offensive to my poor eyes

[night grove]

.... and this is how cheese phobias are born

[deep copper]

ptsd

[verbal junco]

@timber viper verdict: fantastic, on par with iskender

[quasi mantle]

h o w

[verbal junco]

well you gotta find square chickens of course

[deep copper]

or just make it from some random material then paint

[night grove]

Those look like the foam cube things often branded and given out as swag at conferences

[unreal ether]

Anyone here with soldering experience

[verbal junco]

https://news.rspca.org.uk/2014/04/01/eggs-are-eggs-but-flair-loop-farms-eggs-are-just-a-little-bit-different/

[quasi mantle]

Me

[unreal ether]

This is basically irl egg inc. now

[deep copper]

it's real lol

[night grove]

Did you notice the post date?

[unreal ether]

Do i need any real ventilation other than a window open, cause the only room i got for it is my bedroom lol

[deep copper]

atleast the egg won't roll

[unreal ether]

No but you can still throw them

[quasi mantle]

Ventilaton is pretty forgiving, unless you somehow burn through something.

[verbal junco]

the real question is what are you going to solder

[deep copper]

makes me wonder, some homeless people can have great ventilation 🤔

[unreal ether]

Im tryinq to imagine egging someones home with square eggs lol

[deep copper]

show them egg
surprise
smash on face

[unreal ether]

Eh nothing major, mainly just small PCBs

[verbal junco]

but which material? copper? tin?

[unreal ether]

Got a couple of projects i wanna do that need it

Id say most likely copper pcb with lead based solder

[verbal junco]

https://www.diversitech.ca/industrial-solutions/health-and-safety/unbreathables/lead-free-solder#:~:text=When solder wire is heated,respiratory tract%2C eyes and skin.

[unreal ether]

Got a fan too , so as long as i dont snort the fumes or whatever i should be fine

[verbal junco]

give it a hover afterwards as well

[deep copper]

your pfp goes well with this

[verbal junco]

and wear a mask

everyone should have those by now

[quasi mantle]

Why not the lead free ones?

[deep copper]

don't they have metal masks?

for fire stuff

welding

[unreal ether]

Cause im pretty sure i have some leaded solder, and ive heard the leaded flow better but never really tested

[deep copper]

sokder

whatever

[verbal junco]

for welding maybe. soldering you dont need a metal mask

[deep copper]

ah okay

[dark sequoia]

just close ur eyes and you'll be good

[unreal ether]

Pro tips here

[deep copper]

and don't breathe

[unreal ether]

Cant suffer from fume exposure if you suffocate yourself

[quasi mantle]

Lead free is more forgiving, and I doubt presence of lead matters in PCB setup

[verbal junco]

and really the main reason for a metal mask in welding is because you need shielding from the magnesium flame (which is about as bright as the sun) and the heat that comes off the sparks

[deep copper]

what exactly are you doing btw

like, why

[unreal ether]

Ight then thanks

[unreal ether]

Welding flash aint fun

https://tenor.com/view/sandintheeyes-drtsand-drt-boombeach-gif-19235077

[deep copper]

that's scary

[unreal ether]

Pretty much what it feels like

But constant

[verbal junco]

on the other hand I hear that underwater welders are paid top dollar

[quasi mantle]

I haven't weld much iron tbh

[unreal ether]

Never had proper welding flash myself, but my dad has and he used to weld professionlly

Although i did stare into burning magnesium once in y9 cause i was a dumb kid

[verbal junco]

we've all been there

[unreal ether]

Were you asking me?

[deep copper]

yes

it's not every day i hear someone soldering stuff

[quasi mantle]

I guess I was fortunate enough to not see burning magnesium in close distance without protection in my life

[deep copper]

so just curious

[dark sequoia]

lmao man... my UE4 project is pretty much filled with nothing but meme sound effects and slapstick style death physics. and many character dying voices consist of wilhelm screams, goofy yells, and tourettes guy swearing lol... vidya games sure are fun!

[unreal ether]

Ah got a hobby project i wanna make with a programmable led matrix, and i wanna repair some old consoles

[quasi mantle]

I do soldering when replacing caps 🤔

[verbal junco]

it's fairly common with electrical engineering and computer hardware in general

[unreal ether]

Also need to give my ps1 an emergency cap replacement as im pretty syre its ready ti expire

[deep copper]

what caps 🤔

[verbal junco]

ice caps

[unreal ether]

Not to mention its just good to have if anything kciks it and its easy to repair

[deep copper]

as long as it's fun

[deep copper]

that's a lot.. i see

[deep copper]

that makes sense i suppose

[verbal junco]

I always wanted to make a laser mic

[quasi mantle]

Same. Sometimes I protoing with meme assets

[verbal junco]

but now I'm considering the prospect of making a mini ion cannon

[unreal ether]

Something akin to that in a nice wooden box

[deep copper]

so YOU are the reason for climate change

[verbal junco]

that's me, I am the root of all evil

if you square me you get evil

[dark sequoia]

oh it definitely is, especially after adding ability to punch people in the face and the body reacts with physics (was pretty tricky to do at first) and uppercutting em off cliffs lol..

[verbal junco]

[unreal ether]

Its a project that cobines my love of carpentry, with my love of programminfg, and my love of electronics

Plus at the end of it i get a nice decoration for my desk

So quadruple bonus

[verbal junco]

ugh just become an electrical engineer already

[quasi mantle]

Admission: I'm getting into electronics because of watching repair videos

[deep copper]

woa that's so cool

[unreal ether]

Exactly the same reason i have

[verbal junco]

I only want to do fun tech

[deep copper]

😈

[unreal ether]

Plus i loved taking all my toys apart as a kid

[verbal junco]

the recent discover of having a grape being able to generate plasma sparked the idea that I could probably use it to create an ion cannon

[dark sequoia]

has anyone here ever attempted bullet holes on bodies and skeletal meshes btw? cause man that was really hard to do in UE4....

[unreal ether]

Had an old broken rc car when i was like 11 and took it apart and stole the motors

[dark sequoia]

but i got that as well, after like a week of attempting

[unreal ether]

Dont go all command and conquer on me now

[deep copper]

so you won't just stop at ice caps..?

[dark sequoia]

oh sorry, i meant blood effects as bullet hole wounds my bad

[verbal junco]

the tech is not that hard provided you can keep the plasma channel open for long enough

[quasi mantle]

https://www.tomlooman.com/unreal-engine-render-character-wounds/

[dark sequoia]

oh yeah thats the one I did! ^

[unreal ether]

Damn im gonna have to buy those again

Red alert 3 was a banger

So was generals

By far my 2 favourites

[verbal junco]

tiberium wars was so good

but I've been playing since dune 2

[dark sequoia]

my fav game series of all time happens to be C&C :p

[unreal ether]

What was the weird first person shooter one they d

Did

[verbal junco]

renegade

[quasi mantle]

I personally didn't do this (yet), my enemy was rather bullet spongey, due to JRPG health system

[deep copper]

🤕 ouchy

[unreal ether]

Ohh yeah that was it

[dark sequoia]

it was called Renegade

[unreal ether]

That was funky, but i didnt hate it

Gve me early halo vibes

[verbal junco]

but honestly tiberium wars made it feel real. everything was so on point in terms of tech

[dark sequoia]

and also there was going to be a sequel which would bridge the Red Alert universe

[verbal junco]

and then 3 factions as well

[dark sequoia]

but it was cancelled

[verbal junco]

what's not to love

[foggy path]

did someone say Renegade

[unreal ether]

Yoooooo

Nice keyboard

[foggy path]

I don't have many of my old games boxes and all but I do have this one lol

[verbal junco]

I remember playing the multiplayer beta back in the day... good times

[dark sequoia]

that game was pretty decent btw, had interesting ideas

[foggy path]

Yeah mp was cool

[unreal ether]

I like the keyboard but i can only play it if it has the little stickers saying the notes

:(

[foggy path]

Yeah I can't really play it that well either

It's one of those things that I'm like I'm gonna learn to do this better

but then usually don't have so much time to put into it

:D

[verbal junco]

I got a m32 controller

not a full keyboard

[dark sequoia]

@quasi mantle anyway yeah I did a combination of that along with one called "Mesh Painter"

[verbal junco]

I only play game OSTs I like

[unreal ether]

I have an electric guitar that my dad bought me for my 15th birthday, but i gave up tryina play it cause my hands couldnt reach the last string

[verbal junco]

and some old stuff that I learned when I was much younger

[dark sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gybd0456wvc

oh yah, this is it

[verbal junco]

used to be I could do a good 3 minutes of dream theater's change of seasons intro

or however long it lasts

[dark sequoia]

vid provides a free project download, and all that

[deep copper]

see, free stuff works

[quasi mantle]

I'm still drooling over drum kits.
I'd dream of having a Yamaha double kick kit, and some Paiste cymbals, and play some jazz grooves on it

[dark sequoia]

and there was even a 2nd project that was the same concept done differently but i cant find it (mostly cause it has the same name, making it harder to find haha)

but basically i downloaded both project examples and messed around with em to allow blood bullet holes for bodies and stuff

not perfect but better than nothing

[unreal ether]

Drums do look fun. I might have to pick up guitar again

[deep copper]

i had a mini guitar with 6 strings, now it has 4 strings only

[quasi mantle]

If you still have the guitar, I'd recommend playing Rocksmith 2014 with it

[unreal ether]

I have played exactly 4 instruments

Recorder. - for school in like y3, i was a grandmaster tbh

Trumpet - Exactly the same but in y4

Keyboard - For school again

And guitar that i couldnt reach the strings on lmao.

[unreal ether]

Oooh whats rocksmith

[quasi mantle]

Well, drums is fun to play. Especially once you start to develop that limb independence, which is kinda necessary for doing jazz fusion grooves.

[quasi mantle]

Basically kind of Guitar Hero, but uses real guitar, made by Ubisoft.

[unreal ether]

Oh god, i mastered that for the piano in secondary school, but have no promptly forgot everything and am now terrible again

[unreal ether]

That sounds great, how beginner friendly is it

[quasi mantle]

The game's leaned more towards the educational/learning side of things, so it's beginner friendly.

[unreal ether]

Cause im talking the only thing i could do on guitar was like the opening 4 noted of metallica - one

[deep copper]

if you are into matrix led grid and music stuff like that, try launchpads

[unreal ether]

Coool, had an app on my phone that did something similar that was quite fun tbh

[verbal junco]

not come as you are by nirvana?

[quasi mantle]

I can do Fade to Black opening riff

[unreal ether]

I wanted a launchpad for agesss ngl

[unreal ether]

No way lol, thats my dads fav riff in metal, he said i had to learn it in exactly 1 year lol and play it on my 16th birthday

Which didnt happen

[dark sequoia]

yah definitely, or figuring it out on your own. but there was one thing in particular that I just could not figure out and it was getting blood to splatter onto walls and floors... so eventually i caved in and purchased a very great thing from the MP, which went very well with the bullet hole stuff I have lol (just for fun basically, and for learning)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33P23a3i1X0

[unreal ether]

Biggest thing i struggle with is tryina remember where the notes are lol, which makes me anxious to practice, but the i remember i wont remember without practice

And it all goes in 1 big cycle

[quasi mantle]

It's pretty easy once you know the first part (which is Bm), and bridge to the main riff (Am, C, G, Em, Bm)

[deep copper]

you are really into making the murder real 🤔

[dark sequoia]

dunno if anyone here has ever played Duke Nukem 3D before, but i really liked some of the neat details in that game such as bloodprints when walking over blood pools and stuff (oldschool GTA games did this too) and so I had added those as well, just cause lol

and yeah, i really like stuff being chaotic and messy lmao

[unreal ether]

Ok my guy is definitely a serial killer

Step away from the unreal engine

[deep copper]

i love making a mess in games as well

[dark sequoia]

screencap of me testing, lmao

[deep copper]

that's pretty cool

[unreal ether]

Me too! Mine just happens in the code :(

[deep copper]

if i walk over it, the blood leaves a trail? 🤔

[dark sequoia]

and yeah its pretty neat, and it runs surprisingly good

[quasi mantle]

I'm still exploring into it.
I know my game will be rated M, so lots of room for blood and sexy fanservice, but also JRPG health system kinda not making sense with blood

[dark sequoia]

sadly not all that blood, but i have it so if a dead body that was shot is on the ground for a few moments, a blood pool will form underneath. and that one will spawn prints if you walk over it yah

[deep copper]

that sounds really fun

[unreal ether]

You can do better, make it a full hyper realistic fluid sim, complete with staining

Smh

[deep copper]

can't wait to step over the dead bodies with holes

[unreal ether]

People taking the lazy way nowadays

[dark sequoia]

better shot with a bullethole example

lol shot, get it

[deep copper]

!8ball do you like it?

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[unreal ether]

Manny the masochist

[deep copper]

!8ball do you love it?

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Yes.

[dark sequoia]

these are old screencaps and sadly its the only two i got or id show more (too lazy atm to make new ones)

[unreal ether]

Okayyy then

Manny be getting shot and hes just like

"GIVE ME MORE"

[dark sequoia]

but perhaps later i'll show more. most of what i do is just testing out different ways to kill and refining the usage of guns, reloading, ammo tracking, etc

[deep copper]

you mean " don't want to leave evidence"

[dark sequoia]

lmao yeah

[deep copper]

!8ball ..do you want a little bit more?

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: My reply is no.

[dark sequoia]

also when punching, i have it so the character just punches with his left hand while still using the gun lol

[deep copper]

is there sound as well 🤔

[dark sequoia]

and the mannequins will jerk and move according to fists/bullets that hit em (which is still pretty jerky i gotta work on it more)

and yeah definitely

[deep copper]

also blood splatter sound?

[unreal ether]

The one thing im struggling comprehending as someone with little background in amimation is how exactly you have a systen of multiple arm animations, such as reloading and holding the weapon, as well as multiple gun animations like shooting, reloading etc. and how you change them based off an active weapon

[dark sequoia]

not for splatters landing, but for stepping on it yeah

[deep copper]

there was a solver for this in ue i think

which can snap to positions

and lerp or something

but idk, I don't animate

[dark sequoia]

as well as when stepping on many other materials, i have it set so the footstep sound is different for many surfaces and all that

[deep copper]

that's kinda sweet!

this could do well as a serial killer sim

just be careful of forensic linguists

[unreal ether]

You both need to be locked up

[deep copper]

together <3 ?

[unreal ether]

God that context is even worse when you consider i nearly typed licked and posted it

Why do o and i have to be so close on a tiny phone keyboard

[deep copper]

well it will mean nearly the same thing in this context yeah

[unreal ether]

And i aint gonna use dvorak layout

Cause that also needs to be locked up

[deep copper]

just be yourself, use i

[unreal ether]

No

Absolutely not

[deep copper]

it's weird how you want to avoid lick even though you are a cup of tea

i suppose there's some past trauma 😔

don't worry though! face your fears! i can help...

[unreal ether]

I was bored of my old usernames so thought id embrace britain, although thay just seems to scare people off

[dark sequoia]

oh yeah, also bullet holes for surfaces too (cause of course we gotta have that!)

professional usage of time :p

[unreal ether]

😟

[deep copper]

xD that awesome!

[deep copper]

what was it before

[unreal ether]

Ok that ones funny i cant lie

[dark sequoia]

lol

[unreal ether]

Off the top of my head ive been NotDoik and Danny Dorito

[dark sequoia]

and yeah going back to surfaces, i made a bunch of test ones for different types of sounds and prints and basically would just run across em all to test out and refine

like this basically

(i still need to add actual water and stuff though, so for now its solid)

[unreal ether]

What kind of surface is glowing orange?

[deep copper]

hmm, they don't sound lickable...

[dark sequoia]

toxic waste i think it was

[unreal ether]

Ah

[dark sequoia]

basically i thought of all the stereotypical stuff in games

and made surface materials for em

[deep copper]

that's a nice way to test/ play your fav sound

[unreal ether]

Yoh can most definitely lick danny devito in dorito form

[dark sequoia]

also one of those is actually sewage/poop surface lmao

[deep copper]

...can do way more too actually <3

[unreal ether]

I see no "the boss takes three sequences to kill" material there

[dark sequoia]

haha

maybe i'll get there later, perhaps

[deep copper]

boss skin surface 1
boss skin surface 2
boss skin surface 3...

[dark sequoia]

one thing i do wanna have is stealth based on the sound of your footsteps and whether you are walking on carpet or not... similar to the Thief games if anyone ever played those. you may start to see a pattern here, with many of my inspirations being from oldschool PC games lol

its surprising how many little details existed in old games that are often overlooked in today's games

[deep copper]

that's neat, hopefully you will still allow massacre

[unreal ether]

As long as the inspiration isnt okd school ET game its fine

Arent all of those buried somewhere

[dark sequoia]

lmao definitely not, lol

and yeah they were discovered to be real and that myth was proven

a few years back

which is pretty funny

[unreal ether]

I think its because the scope of a level had to be snaller, they packed as much as possible into them

[dark sequoia]

yeah thats one reason

[unreal ether]

Nowadays you can get away with making a giant open world where 90% of it is empty

Cough cough, fallout 76

[deep copper]

it wasn't about realistic graphics so they focused on gameplay

[dark sequoia]

another reason is that devs werent really big super companies yet, they were just small teams making games that they wanted to have others play and stuff

which, now a days, those being replaced by indie type devs

[unreal ether]

The tomb raider games were starteď as 2 guys living in a flat near me im pretty sure

[dark sequoia]

oh really? neat

[unreal ether]

Rollercoaster tycoon 1 was made solo by a guy entirely in x86 ASM iirc

[deep copper]

i mean, games seem like such a waste of computational power from the historical perspective lol

[dark sequoia]

for me, i basically want a modern type shooter with the gameplay of oldschool shooters and tons of attention to detail simply for the sake of fun and all that. something thats a mix of new and old basically

[unreal ether]

But its amazing how far tech has gotten, i think it was 1963, where a computer was built by MIT that ran a game akin to asteroids... and it cost nigh on a million dollars for the hardware

[dark sequoia]

not sure id actually make such a game, so instead I just play around with experimental stuff within UE4 based on said ideas, to help myself learn

[deep copper]

it's okay to just make something you have fun playing at times

[dark sequoia]

yeah thats basically what ive been doing, and thinking about "hey it would be cool if I added this mechanic that exists in a game I like" and then I go and do it and see how it goes

[deep copper]

perhaps that's one way to make enjoyable games

[unreal ether]

Thats what me and a friend are doing in a few years, we wanna make a game where you explore around smaller open levels, but the areas all have their own little details and quirks, but we both agreed we need more experience before we attempt to tackle a mammoth proj like that

Plus we had a few other games we wanted to make first

[deep copper]

that sounds like an interesting idea if done well

i can see why the hold on experience

[dark sequoia]

one idea I had was a game thats a roguelike with random generated levels but the gameplay is like an oldschool shooter similar to the Quake 1 and Unreal 1 era of shooting games, something like that.

[unreal ether]

We wanted to make an open world survival but didnt wanna be super generic, so we agreed making smaller worlda that you can travel between sorta tarkov style would be way nicer

Cause if we went for generic open world, it would inevitable be mostly empty

And we dont want that

[deep copper]

and not fun

[unreal ether]

Exactly

[dark sequoia]

yeah its important to focus on filling in what you currently have and only when you cant fit anymore is when you expand, heh

at least thats the way i think of it

so starting with being inside a large house, then you make that into a neighborhood, then make that into a town, and so on. that sorta mindset

[unreal ether]

Our first map for the game will probs be a small americab town with a little bit of woodland and a train station for access to the other areas

[dark sequoia]

another good inspiration is the Stalker games, which is open world but split up into different sections

[unreal ether]

We also came up with an idea for a sort of space center city, where they house all of the astronauts and employees on site

[dark sequoia]

ah I see, sounds interesting

[unreal ether]

It is basically that they are all connectee and part of the same 'world' but you can only explore smaller areas at a time

[dark sequoia]

oh I see, yeah makes sense

[unreal ether]

For now tho we are making a game about a sentient robot uprising, except theyre all utility robots, and they decided to just keep doing what they normally do

[dark sequoia]

@deep copper Oh I almost completely forgot, but I added a "grab" feature too, for picking up objects like small items, boxes, stuff like that. and then you use momentum and letting go of it to fling stuff around. I made it so this works with ragdolls too, lol

[unreal ether]

The game sounds way less interesting when i type it out lmao

[unreal ether]

Make it eo you can pick yourself up

[deep copper]

you are making something that can let people rage around quite nicely lol

[dark sequoia]

i probably could but Im not sure what would happen haha

[unreal ether]

Not even sure how that would work technically but do it anyway

[dark sequoia]

if i were to guess, the character will prolly spin around in circles and fly into the air and stuff

thats usually the case for physics glitches in UE4 lol

[unreal ether]

Now that does sound fun

[deep copper]

picking up other people sounds more.. useful

[deep copper]

reminds me of wall e thing 🤔

[dark sequoia]

i also added moving walls that go back and forth and when they hit you they ragdoll you and send you flying, with a loud meat smacking sound lmao... oh and i added a small bar that sits low on the ground and if a character walks over it they will trip over it and fall onto the ground too. basically stupid shit like that which makes me laugh just for the sake of it, and to see if its possible

[unreal ether]

The main focus of the game is roombas sweeping uo trash across the cosmos, but theres also other things like delivery robots

[dark sequoia]

its even funnier when they trip and then fall off cliffs, or if enemies chasing you trip over it and then fall into spike pits which happens alot in my tests

[deep copper]

i would love to fall down without getting hurt

[dark sequoia]

oh okay, i think im understanding what you mean now yeah

[deep copper]

that's basically amusement parks

[unreal ether]

That just sounds like typical gta physics. You walk up a step and trip and crack your skull

[dark sequoia]

lol yah

well if you survive then i have it so an animation plays that allows the character to stand back up again and ragdoll turning off

[unreal ether]

But a full ragdoll physics shooter sounds hella fun

[dark sequoia]

so recovery is a thing too

[unreal ether]

And if its wacky stuff like that id probs buy it tbh

[dark sequoia]

although, by pure accident, i found out that if someone trips i can quickly pick them up and throw them off a cliff before they get back up and then they die lol.. so i kept that in cause its funny

[deep copper]

the more wack it is the more surprises

just, something you can play without caring about anything

like a scoreboard or whatever

[dark sequoia]

and sometimes if throwing a body, he'll get back up in midair and its pretty much like in a cartoon where he realizes for a sec he is in the air and then falls lol

im still debating whether to leave that in or fix it

@deep copper lol I see

[deep copper]

leave it in

well it's upto what you consider more fun

[dark sequoia]

lol yeah

theres tons of mistakes and accidents that had occured that actually led to new ideas later on, funny enough

[deep copper]

there are no accidents, just happy little accidents (?) idk

[dark sequoia]

like i also have it so that characters will do random pratfalls towards different directions when they die (its sort of hard to explain) and it was due to me having ragdolling turning on and off back and forth by accident which led to such a thing occuring and its actually pretty good so i redesigned it so that it happens on purpose based on random integers and stuff

[unreal ether]

I think my favourite mechanic ive added to mine is tje roomba that has a little hand glider to get around places

[dark sequoia]

lol nice

that reminds me of one really cool marketplace thing with modular robots, and it was free one time a few months back

its pretty cool if you're into that sorta thing

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/modular-low-poly-robots

very well designed movement and terrain detection too

[unreal ether]

I have that pack lol, wouldnt fit the theme

Theyre just tryin help keep things cleab not blow things up

[dark sequoia]

ah I see lol, and yeah its neat

ah okay

[unreal ether]

Only plugins im using for this is filesystem and audio to ue4 wave cinverter

Cause that way you cann add custom music to the in game playlist

With my patented robo radio system

Patent pending

[dark sequoia]

oh nice

there is one thing that I have not been able to do at all with Blueprints sadly, and its the ability for a character to walk onto a wall. for example, a Spider. I basically try to do as much as I can without relying on C++ (sorta like a challenge) but apparently thats one thing that cant be done with Blueprints alone, or so people say

[unreal ether]

Ooh yeah, i started noticing the limits of CMC as soon as i started my project lol

And i aint gonna change it because 3d movement terrifies me

[dark sequoia]

lol yeah, its all about trying to "outsmart" things if its not doing it the way you want, and thinking of ways to get around problems, and then refining it after figuring it out

[verbal junco]

yeah I know it's too close to real life

[unreal ether]

Smh ikr

But no my problem was due to the fact it only uses capsule collision

Someone posted a decebt looking movement package here but i wasnt boutta pay 300 dollars to solve that minor annoyance

It turned out alright tho in the end

[dark sequoia]

yeah that was a huge pain trying to figure out when I first started... the whole thing with the capsule and getting it to move properly. and not disconnecting from the character itself after ragdolling and all kinds of other issues i had to overcome lol

[verbal junco]

that's like 99% of all games

[unreal ether]

Yeah i picked the one game idea that wasnt suited for capsuke collision

Worked out alright tho in the end

[verbal junco]

what game would that be?

[unreal ether]

Cause the extra unnecessary height was perfect for preventing camera issues

Making a game where you play as a roomba

And they tend to be quite flat

[verbal junco]

that's just a very flat capsule 😂

back in the day capsules would be replaced by two spheres

but for a Roomba you'd probably want to create your own pawn type

[unreal ether]

But you cant flatten a capsule more than its radius which is where the issues came in

[verbal junco]

and work the CMC around that

[unreal ether]

You cant use cmc in pawn

[verbal junco]

capsules were created for characters

[unreal ether]

Its only on character

[verbal junco]

you can do anything in cpp

[unreal ether]

Cpp stinky

I use it where i have to, bu ti havent needed it much uet thankfully

[verbal junco]

cpp is awesome for UE

it ends up very C# like

for most gameplay needs anyway

[unreal ether]

I just hate all of the macros lol

Especially cause they bug out my indentation for some reason

I love C#
I love C++
But Unreal API is just icky for me idk why

[foggy path]

That looks just like how EGL used to look like when minimized

:P

I think they finally fixed it at some point

[unreal ether]

Excuse me what is that file name

[unreal ether]

I get to work with directx for my next year of uni, it looks fun

Might have a look into that, i just cant think of a use for c++ for my project outside of the struct thing

[verbal junco]

VS22 vanilla 4 lyf

[charred rapids]

I hate bp 😦 It's all spaghetti to me

[verbal junco]

only because cpp is wireless. have you ever had just a single wire anywhere in real life that didn't get tangled?

[unreal ether]

For math i tend to use math nodes

Theyre pretty cool

[charred rapids]

The only thing I use bp for involve assets really

[unreal ether]

My main use for c++ would be making bp nodes, but i havent really found a case where ive needed that

I still like making gameplay in bp

[charred rapids]

I have to say though, I am tempted to buy that electronic nodes add-on for when I actually use bp

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/electronic-nodes

[unreal ether]

I mean any complex systems id use c++, tje only use i can think of will be for serializing actors for saving down the line

[verbal junco]

subsystems

[charred rapids]

Yup subsystems are great

[verbal junco]

I don't trust the AI module

I feel it doesn't trust me either

sussy baka level?

[zinc matrix]

Yes we do

Baby orangutans are the cutest creatures on Earth

[verbal junco]

タンクは心の中に友達

or something

I think は in this case is more respectful than が

[zinc matrix]

https://youtu.be/wabonetWV1g

Anyone here watched Severance?

I love how they did the intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmS3m0OG-Ug

[verbal junco]

it's a garden gnome you can just pose it

in fact the impact might be better if you are followed by this garden gnome you never see move but somehow always strikes new poses near you

[unreal ether]

What are subsystems and why are they great

[verbal junco]

they are systems

but, sub

[unreal ether]

No but seriously

[verbal junco]

they are great because they allow you to expose them to bp

[unreal ether]

Never heard of em before

[verbal junco]

and can handle all logic for an entire system

I use them for saving, for AI, for "weather"

[unreal ether]

Im guessing theyre just used to prevent bloat, if i used a subsystem for quests say, I woukd need to clog my game instance

Wouldnt*

But other than that they still dont seem that amazing

[scarlet cedar]

I absolutely loathe that apps don't let you snooze notifications until further notice. It's always a fixed amount of hours, never days or weeks. Not sure how common this is, but there's a social media like app we need for my work (plus several other apps) and if I go on holidays I have to keep snoozing the app notifications for 2 hours because it doesn't let me do more than that. Or I have to use do not disturb to disable all notifications. Shits dumb

[foggy path]

I've just turned all notifications off for pretty much everything :P

[verbal junco]

switch workplace

[scarlet cedar]

That's a thing?

[verbal junco]

maybe

I switched workplace once because of toxic apps (well not only, but...)

[scarlet cedar]

Ye fair. Android says to swipe from the bottom of the screen to the top but it just opens up my open apps. 🤷 I'll look into this more

[mossy nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/it-just-works-todd-howard-fallout-skyrim-bethesda-gif-14816629

[unreal ether]

So say in a game where i explore between levels, but want to keep common player information as well as quests, I could use a subsystem that has responsibility for keeping track of the player data, and setting it, and onw that manages giving, finishing and tracking active quests, both derived from gameinstance?

[scarlet cedar]

So apparently you need a Google workplace email and management app to use work profile on Android.. That's dumb

[unreal ether]

But i want it to be persistant

Which is exactly what i want

Yeah thats why i said 2 derived from the gane instance one

Cause i awant them to last for the lifetime of the game

No no

I meant the game instance subsystem sorry

Then expose that data for where i need it in bp

Yeah in my head it made sense what i was on about, i can be bad at explaining things lol

I cant wqit to use ue5 when it comes out fully

No i mean in general

A lot of the stuff is going to be quite usefil for me

Nanite mainly cause it makes lods so much easier

And i like the new ui

Wow that sounds great

But say if i made a quest subsysytem that handles turning an npc into a questgiver etc, maybe paired with a component, to make it even easier

It could be used across projects no?

[deep copper]

🐈‍⬛

[verbal junco]

for an hour or so while doing something else I just opened up a google image search page of "todd howard" and had him stare back at me like a proud dad 🥲

[unreal ether]

isnt that what we all do though?

looking at todd howard is no mistake
it is a gift

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-pointing-laughing-politician-smile-gif-5361798

[verbal junco]

man even paradox have their own launcher now

just... why

[deep copper]

it's fun to get launched

idk

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/核彈發射-gif-18076756

[timber viper]

Wow it's good as iskender huh 😄 I'm glad you liked it

[knotty skiff]

Half W + Half L

[knotty skiff]

That was unexpected

[fleet tangle]

Woolworths still exists?!

[deep copper]

 Founded in 1924, Woolworths today is Australia's biggest supermarket chain with a market share of 33% as of 2019.

[twin bison]

brother 0 look familiar xD

oh raj from tech support lmfao

nvm

[zinc matrix]

The trinity of Kmart, Woolies, and uhhh

[quasi mantle]

We have our own local supermarket chains lol

[zinc matrix]

JB-HI-FI or something idk

[foggy echo]

so many brothers

[zinc matrix]

BUNNINGS

yeah

scratch jb-hi-fi

bunnings, woolies, and kmart keep this country running

[quasi mantle]

There have yet to be brother 5.0

[twin bison]

i will be brother 5.0 preview

[fleet tangle]

Damn. It utterly failed in the UK like 10 years ago or more!

[deep copper]

..and you can be one too! just nickname yourself in the format "brother {n}{extra info (optional)}"

[deep copper]

go for it! you get to be part of an ever expanding community! get your own unique number before it gets taken!

well i say unique but it's not always guaranteed

we lost 3 i think

[quasi mantle]

I'm not going to "productively" use UE5 anytime soon anyway

[deep copper]

why? did your ue5 shift not work out?

[deep copper]

yeah i can see some mention of it in uk around 2009, but it's online site may still be active

not sure if it's completely backed away yet

[quasi mantle]

Still feeling too lazy to port my modification to UE5, especially that 5.0 is still actively developed.

And I don't have the PC to have UE5 build in 15 minutes

[deep copper]

it doesn't comes prebuilt?

oh right, you plan for modifications

[charred rapids]

Stable software is good software

UE4 is stable

[zinc matrix]

ue5 preview is an improvement

but I'm not using it

until certain plugins get updated

Although it is fun to mess around with what is new

[charred rapids]

I'm also curious about the build time for UE5 when compiling from source

UE4 was a pain, it took not only a long time but a large amount of space

Since there's no stable build for UE5 that means you'll have to recompile at some point in the future

[fleet tangle]

Takes me about 13 minutes? YMMV

[foggy path]

No stable build for UE5? Huh? 🤔

UE5 Preview 2 is out

[fleet tangle]

I assume he means an actual final release.

[foggy path]

Maybe, but I don't really know how that means you need to recompile :) Since you could just use the previews until the stable is out

[fleet tangle]

But even so... it's only going to happen once (a 5.0 release) and you'd only have to compile it once.

Maybe again in 3 months if you want to move to 5.1.

It's not like you're doing it every day.

[charred rapids]

Preview isn't stable

[quasi mantle]

I had myself waiting for a day for UE4 to built

[charred rapids]

But yeah when there's an actual stable release for UE5 I'll probably upgrade, there just hasn't been much time to work out bugs and stuff

Using preview in that case could mean bugs you wouldn't want in production

[fleet tangle]

How can it take you a day to build ue4?

Using a single process?

[quasi mantle]

Because I don't have a Threadripper 🙂

Also I don't have an SSD

[fleet tangle]

It took me ~8 hours to compile with a single process, ~60m using 15 out of 16 logical processors.

Yeah, that probably doesn't help either.

[quasi mantle]

Try 4 thread and a humble mechanical HDD.

That's what I live with.

[fleet tangle]

Damn. You need an upgrade! 😄

[quasi mantle]

No need to remind me that again, thank you very much 🙂

[fleet tangle]

Even my parents, who basically live in the stone age, have better machines. 😦

[quasi mantle]

Well, if that's a first world standard, I truly envy you sir.

[charred rapids]

I'm still running an i5 😐

[quasi mantle]

I just work with what I have.

And living with less stable circumstances.

[fleet tangle]

Ah. I apologise.

[deep copper]

this feels like those YouTube tutorials expecting everyone to have a few rtx in their pc :P

[fleet tangle]

Lol

[median wraith]

https://twitter.com/GentooGames/status/1502382037357166593?t=iBmZCkKf-DpuJb1idy8XuQ&s=19

_gentoo_ (@GentooGames)

#gamedev https://t.co/uM8laRXs1h

Likes

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Twitter · Mar 11, 2022, 8:32 PM

[charred rapids]

This channel should be called the brotherhood of brothers at this point

[deep copper]

first #lounge then #cpp

[charred rapids]

👀

I'm still running a gtx 1650

[quasi mantle]

That's me.

[charred rapids]

meanwhile everyone and their grandma has an rtx4090 intel i12

[quasi mantle]

My dedicated GPU chipset kicked the bucket last year and beyond salvageable. It do its service while it lasted though

[charred rapids]

rip

Seriously though they must require a lot of power

The newer gpus are crazy

[quasi mantle]

I thought it was because of thermal issue, but in the chance I had HWInfo logging on it, the VRAM seem to be completely fucked

[charred rapids]

It's always sad when a pc part dies

[quasi mantle]

It immediately BSOD my computer the moment it gets used with the driver.

[charred rapids]

I'm not buying anything new until it's reasonably priced

My gpu serves me well

[quasi mantle]

So I had no choice but last resort to Intel iGPU.
Sucks? Yes.
Wish I could buy a new machine? Yes.
Shame that I had to live as a nomad, because I don't want to buy another laptop for daily driver.

[charred rapids]

That's what I did before, wait until the next new thing comes out, buy one of the cheaper last gen gpus everyone is getting rid of

[deep copper]

i am not buying anything new until previous dies

[charred rapids]

Good call

[quasi mantle]

I hate working with Intel iGPU. I'm not that kind of masochistic fucker. But the circumstances leave me no choice but to hang around with it.

Distance fields is blacklisted from Intel iGPU, Control Rig crashing after prolonged use

Consider that most new UE rendering features rely on mesh distance field like a mother

[charred rapids]

f

[deep copper]

ue really mocks the ancient hardware users

or just, weak hardware

[charred rapids]

At least you can still get a lot of programming done on cheap hardware. Not much game stuff but it will help you later on when you can afford better

[fleet tangle]

To be fair, doesn't it have to?

If it tried to support everything from every age, it'd get nowhere.

[quasi mantle]

Not even Fortnite on Android is that generous with lower spec phones.

[deep copper]

yes, that's their strategy. nothing wrong with it. i am just complaining because we as engine users also need to keep up with the hardware and perhaps the consumer of those games too

[quasi mantle]

I'm a huge proponent on low spec gaming, because I believe not everyone have the luxury of the expensive PC hardware. And I'm not from a first world country, so that makes me relate to low spec gaming even more.

[charred rapids]

My favorite games actually aren't very graphically intensive, they have a good art style and good gameplay

[quasi mantle]

Some people could buy those expensive hardware, at the expense of unpaid bills or no food at all for the next weeks

[charred rapids]

Zelda BotW, WoW, League, DOTA, TF2

[quasi mantle]

But they're fortunate enough to buy the games on sale, while keeping themselves fed.

[charred rapids]

I even used to play dwarf fortress, which no one would play nowadays

[deep copper]

to be fair though, this is why other engines exist though, if you are unhappy with ue switching to something that works with low spec hardware sounds tempting.

[charred rapids]

Rim World is kinda like dwarf fortress

[quasi mantle]

My own game has a goal to be playable, scalable, and most importantly consistent even with weak hardware.

I've been trying to push UE4 to weak hardware limits.

[charred rapids]

You do have to draw the line though at some point, you can't support really old hardware

UE always seems to be cutting edge, otherwise you have to use older tech

[quasi mantle]

I say weak hardware, not old hardware.

[deep copper]

Jatts here played that too i think

[quasi mantle]

Keyword: weak

[charred rapids]

Yeah I'm all for it

Most software is bloated anyway

[quasi mantle]

You can bash the same way towards brand new component that are cheap but not high end.

Whatever it takes for me to bend UE4 to be more low spec friendly

[charred rapids]

I wonder what UE3 specs were

[quasi mantle]

Even with low scalabilities, I'll try to squeeze rendering feature that still give consistent experience with high scalability.

And that's my goal, goddamnit.
Give the low spec gamers love they deserve.

[charred rapids]

Recommended specs for UE3 were:

Windows 7 64-bit
2.0+ GHz multi-core processor
8 GB System RAM
NVIDIA 8000 series or higher graphics card
Plenty of HDD space

[deep copper]

there are a lot of "adds like 1% beauty but costs 20% time" features in ue i think

[charred rapids]

Minimum was

Windows XP SP3 (32-bit only) with DirectX 9.0c
2GHz or better CPU
2+ GB RAM
A graphics card with Shader Model 3.0 support, such as nVidia GeForce 7800

You can still develop good low spec games, just not with cutting edge engines

[deep copper]

it all boils down to what you want to make

[mossy nexus]

boiled eggs

[deep copper]

boil em mash em stick em in a stew

[mossy nexus]

egg stew? 🤔

[deep copper]

as long as it's edible and doesn't kills you

[quasi mantle]

Unfortunately UDK is no longer accessible (and even when it was, it's still closed source)

[charred rapids]

There's also like, Source

and Source 2 now

But if you can run ue4 or upgrade that's better

[quasi mantle]

And again, I'm catering towards weaker, entry level new hardware.
Not super old hardware from 2009 or older.

The newer hardware that's accessible by people with low buying power.

I have made a clear distinction between old hardware and weak hardware.

[deep copper]

everyone's definition of " low buying power " differs btw

[quasi mantle]

And those newer weaker hardware that I want to give some love

[charred rapids]

Terraria is one of my favorite games of all time

[quasi mantle]

Oh right, it's predominantly first world countries.

[deep copper]

i want to be a new weak hardware now

[quasi mantle]

Should've speaking this in LowSpecGamer discord server

My bad

I did it again, talking on matters in wrong forum

[charred rapids]

I mean, it is #lounge so

Anything goes

[deep copper]

we were on the topic anyway, so it just went there dw

afaik they do also talk about religion and politics here if on topic

[quasi mantle]

No, I mean, I should've refrain myself from bringing that up outside LowSpecGamer server and local gamedev servers.

Sorry

[deep copper]

i don't really know about those but, something is better than nothing, #lounge has been dead today anyway

[deep copper]

why is that so? meow 🤔

[quasi mantle]

#cpp should've typing 24/7

[deep copper]

script* you mean

https://tenor.com/view/frog-jumping-gif-23922460

[fleet tangle]

Lol

[deep copper]

[cursive crypt]

#cpp is under criminal investigation because they don't know all 11 types of references.

[verbal junco]

is there a long weekend coming or something? easter isn't for a while...? or is it?

also, these are weirdly cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5dylh2aOiw

[deep copper]

the oil timer and plasma lighter are so cool

[zinc matrix]

lmao

[verbal junco]

I mean I wouldn't buy or take any of them but they're interesting concepts

[deep copper]

i thought the lighter could help with the ice caps

[soft night]

ice cap city you say

[verbal junco]

I see no caps

[soft night]

those are all top ot the ice too

so they are caps

[cursive crypt]

Where is the soda?

Whiskey goes well too.

[mossy nexus]

Whisky or just Whiskey?

[cursive crypt]

Kitties?

[mossy nexus]

I tried to think of a pun for this but my pun limit has reached it's cap ice city.

You know what they say about puns?

A good pun is it's own reword.

[cursive crypt]

ha

ha

ha

[verbal junco]

whiskey or whisky? important question

(my money is on whisky)

[deep copper]

🥃 shows up for whisky

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/x6OPr.gif?noredirect

[timber viper]

lmao 😹

[verbal junco]

I thought I saw that earlier, but I couldn't remember where

[timber viper]

I guess Hevedy also does some cpp

[night grove]

Wow repost so fast? Wait I think Intax is making a statement. "Hey man I copied your post"

[timber viper]

I saw this in Twitter and looks like it was on my timeline because Hevedy liked it

[verbal junco]

I dunno, maybe that's giving too much credit

[median wraith]

@timber viper feels bad man

[timber viper]

😄

[night grove]

Awesome

[cursive crypt]

Hmm... I saw it recently, but was about good vs bad art and code.

[median wraith]

hahahaç

[verbal junco]

ç

[night grove]

Though in some circles the programmers are even worse.
https://c.tenor.com/k7_sbPrh7IIAAAAM/lord-of-the-rings-my-precious.gif

[timber viper]

Didnt know Spanish keyboard had ç i

[verbal junco]

çiger

[timber viper]

üığçö

[verbal junco]

this is either nonsense or arabic script?!

[timber viper]

Nonsense 😄

[unborn lotus]

ăâîșț

[verbal junco]

especially those who have built in house engines from scratch. try convincing someone like that to switch to UE

[timber viper]

"Noooo my 2d physics engine is special"

(only difference from Cherno's series is some ui differences)

[verbal junco]

20 year old legacy code with tech debt to match and about 1 generation behind in tech. "nah we don't see UE as the future"

[cursive crypt]

It is a monster code, but also and spaghetti.

Can't develop code for so long with so different people w/o consequences.

[night grove]

Right? Here's the art equivalent of what it looks like:
https://c.tenor.com/dqDEW8EqFuwAAAAM/art-modernart.gif

[timber viper]

Probably strict coding standarts helps a little there

[verbal junco]

wishful thinking 😂

[timber viper]

And some passive aggressive team leads who review code more often than usual

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/camel-birthday-happy-balloon-gif-14887227

[timber viper]

And putting comments to your code to fix things

So if you push that file 2nd time they can get enough encourage to argue with you

[night grove]

Oh God yes. Then they also act all threatened if you prove them objectively wrong for any reason.

[verbal junco]

speaking of, we're actually looking for junior programmers cough

[timber viper]

Who you are

[cursive crypt]

CIA

[timber viper]

I knew it

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[deep copper]

i wonder if you will actually use #salary-jobs #freelance-jobs #volunteer-projects here for that

[cursive crypt]

Making mobile games to trap criminals.

[verbal junco]

many companies do, including bigger ones. I know we've posted some positions here as well

[deep copper]

did it work?

[quasi mantle]

Only #volunteer-projects are taken for entertainment

[timber viper]

There are very experienced people in this server but they dont message often

[cursive crypt]

Especially in #lounge

[deep copper]

i am honestly not sure what you will get for jr programmer here

[timber viper]

Like programmers of Gears of War, senior animators of previously made UE games etc.

[verbal junco]

I haven't asked. for us it was programmer positions that were posted

could ask the programming lead

[quasi mantle]

The listings itself are often entertainment.
Looking at those bloody naïve bunch of people thinking to get something for nothing

[verbal junco]

how many years? are you at a senior level?

[timber viper]

Bad thing is if you post yourself at #hire-a-freelancer they also message you and try to convince you to join a team with blueprinters who are developing MMOs

[deep copper]

it's fine i was just curious ;^^

[timber viper]

I'm also junior on this, but I work so hard to become a senior level

Does hangovers ever stop though

I hate it

[verbal junco]

keep learning from your seniors and you'll reach it in no time! 😎

[quasi mantle]

"Who the fuck are you, a nobody naive enough to make a MMO with no funding?"

[verbal junco]

I used to not get hangovers when I was young. but it definitely gets worse with age. that's why I switched to spirits and away from carb based alcohol

[timber viper]

Aww, but beer is my favorite 😦

[verbal junco]

carbs suck up a lot of extra water, so you need more hydration to not get a hangover

[cursive crypt]

carb based?

[verbal junco]

beer, cider

[cursive crypt]

Potatoes, wheat?

[timber viper]

So basically drink too much water to avoid hangover?

[mossy nexus]

carbohydrates

[quasi mantle]

Those kind of project runners are obnoxious smfh, already naive to make a MMO

[deep copper]

they are those that believe in "if you thought of it, you are halfway there"
"just work hard, you will reach your goals"
"money doesn't matter" etc

[cursive crypt]

But vodka is also made from carbs?

[verbal junco]

you need hydration and electrolytes. in the UK there's something called smart water that is great for hangovers

but otherwise isotonic drinks work well as well

[mossy nexus]

Smart Water sucks ass. 😄

[timber viper]

I dont understand the MMO fetish people have tbh, its both a gigantic hassle and not trending anymore

[cursive crypt]

I can support that, whoever wants to drink alcohol, needs to drink A LOT of water.

[verbal junco]

it works though

[timber viper]

Smart water sounds nice, but first time hearing about them

[cursive crypt]

It is from Apple

[verbal junco]

electrolytes are also why salty foods are good for you after a night of drinking

[deep copper]

wait so water after drink or before?

[verbal junco]

it will rehydrate your body

[cursive crypt]

Salad hmm....

[quasi mantle]

I can only assume they think of the profit after release, not thinking about huge spending for both before and after release.

[verbal junco]

basically without salt to bind to water, it mostly goes right through you

[timber viper]

Yeah, probably

[mossy nexus]

Isn't Smart Water the coke cola brand? They literally just used tap water.. 😄

[deep copper]

or that the making process and funds affect the end release...

[verbal junco]

possibly?

[cursive crypt]

Is Smart Water really a thing? lol

[deep copper]

iWater

[cursive crypt]

Says distilled.

uuh

[quasi mantle]

Don't worry, they'll pay with e x p o s u r e

[cursive crypt]

I mean distilled water is nice, but not so much

In fact, it can be dangerous even, lol.

[verbal junco]

it's not distilled water lol

[cursive crypt]

Aah, wait Alaska electrolytes.

[timber viper]

2 years on kickstarter, only $150 collected

[cursive crypt]

It says distilled + alaska elctrolytes. Maybe deer's piss.

[verbal junco]

it's just water with electrolytes

[timber viper]

developers recorded a 2 hours devlog which only ~30 people watched

and we'll pay with e x p o s u r e

[deep copper]

and all were the devs themselves

[timber viper]

haha yeah 😄

[verbal junco]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1376466869/lore

[quasi mantle]

Some would claim "at least you get your portfolio" or promising to pay uncertain amount of money after release, if it's profitable at all.

[deep copper]

well atleast they have some people, better than just, idea guys

[timber viper]

This game is Dark Souls, Diablo 2 And Minecraft all in one
what 😅

[verbal junco]

check the images further down

[deep copper]

"hey bro i got a cool idea, I can't do anything but listen.."

[verbal junco]

and look at how much money they asked for

[mossy nexus]

oooft.

[verbal junco]

and I just love the fact that ||manandtaur|| was their best idea for an enemy type

brilliant, ship it

[timber viper]

I couldnt find that part

[foggy path]

We bought Smart Water by the pallet from Costco when I was in the US for some work stuff lol

[timber viper]

oh

[foggy path]

As far as I know KCMO tap water is just fine to drink but apparently this was still a thing

[timber viper]

1.5 mil

[deep copper]

at first i thought this was a joke

[verbal junco]

it's very real

so real the dude tried twice

[deep copper]

.... well, learning experience for them...

[mossy nexus]

This guy was floating around Slackers for a while. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/edward26/fall-of-the-templars/description

[verbal junco]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1376466869/lore-0 here's the second attempt

[deep copper]

i am surprised they got 8 backers

[foggy path]

I think it's cool that people have these kinds of projects ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I mean yeah unlikely to succeed but go for it if you feel like it lol

[verbal junco]

it will never be "cool"

[deep copper]

90 backers???

[verbal junco]

it will always be a pipedream

[timber viper]

2 of them paid 600usd

[deep copper]

i mean, if they get 90 backers, i think it's a miracle

[foggy path]

Yeah I don't know why having dreams is so frowned upon nowadays

You never wanted to make some excessively complicated projects?

[timber viper]

You can eat more than 360 kebabs with that money

[foggy path]

how cheap are kebabs there

lol

[verbal junco]

you can dream all you want, but if you're positing your dream as "hey bro I got this project that I can do nothing for, give me money", then surely you've not put in the effort to make it a reality

[timber viper]

Way cheaper than rest of the world 😄

2-4 usd

[verbal junco]

a year of kebab

[foggy path]

@verbal junco yeah I suppose that's true but I wouldn't know based on skimming a kickstarter like this lol :D

[verbal junco]

then maybe do more than just skim it

[foggy path]

Yeah kebabs are like 10 eur here if you don't go to one of the joints with dubious quality :P

[verbal junco]

it's very clear that whoever did it has no experience and wouldn't even know how to manage a team of developers

most likely they'd take the money and run

[foggy path]

Well I mean it's not just this kickstarter, maybe this one's a scammy one - but I see this same attitude in general whenever someone wants to do some ambitious project

[verbal junco]

even if it became a success

[deep copper]

they were called "idea guys" before here/slackers, not sure what you call them now

[mossy nexus]

This was the other one he did... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thecookfamily/knightfall

[verbal junco]

I think you're not making a distinction between people who put effort into their projects versus people who don't

you don't start your marketing cycle with a kickstarter, you end it with one

[quasi mantle]

This is like one of the reason why crowdfunding is a joke nowadays

[deep copper]

$11 and 11 backers..

[foggy path]

I wouldn't know how much effort people are putting on their dream projects based on seeing them get told they're foolish for thinking of attempting them

(and again this is in general, not in relation to any specific project)

[verbal junco]

My Name is Makayla and my Fiancè is Dakota!
thanks, super relevant

[quasi mantle]

I have completely lost faith of crowdfunding sites

[verbal junco]

again I think you're conflating two things here. nobody is going to poop on your dreams. but if you're making a minimum effort and want to create a mmo as a single person and unwilling to listen to reason, you're going to get meme'd

[foggy path]

I don't know, pretty much every single time I've seen someone talk about some sorta dream project like that they get meme'd

[verbal junco]

well maybe look into why that is

[quasi mantle]

Well, they have recipe to get themselves so fucked

[verbal junco]

you don't see anyone memeing about kena and the bridge of spirit

and that's a pretty ambitious project

[foggy path]

I think it's because people are too cynical about stuff :P

[verbal junco]

maybe because it succesfully launched?

[mossy nexus]

Well... you also get this.. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/playdreamworld/dreamworld-the-last-game-youll-ever-play

[verbal junco]

pure idealism doesn't fare well in the real world

[quasi mantle]

MMO is huge undertaking of a development, just below a RTS game

[foggy path]

I bet if the guy who made My Summer Car said "I want to make an open world game where you build a car from parts and race it with permadeath features" he'd get laughed out as well

[deep copper]

that's a successful one now

[foggy path]

But he went and did it

[quasi mantle]

My Summer Car is not an MMO

[verbal junco]

but see, here's the thing: he just made the game instead of trying to goad other people into making it.

[foggy path]

@quasi mantle and the description I used there did not sound the slightest bit ambitious to you despite it not being an MMO? :P

[verbal junco]

and tbh it's still kind of a meme, but that's because he wanted it to be a meme

[foggy path]

It's a meme that made him a millionaire

[timber viper]

Being a meme is the best advertising

[quasi mantle]

It's not that over ambitious IMHO

[verbal junco]

depends on the meme

looking at the lore kickstarter, it's not the kind of branding I would want for any project

[foggy path]

@quasi mantle from nearly zero gamedev experience it kinda is lol

[quasi mantle]

Bad advertising is still bad advertising

[timber viper]

Context of advertise matters 😄

[deep copper]

i have seen cyberpunk glitch memes and how people were sad from pre purchase

[timber viper]

Its still advertise

[quasi mantle]

Artesian Builds got bad rep recently and went under, cancelled for good reason

[deep copper]

it makes people aware it exists so yeah it makes it infamous or famous

[mossy nexus]

More going on with that company than just bad rep from that stream. No way should it have had the effect of killing a company. Shady shit going on.

[verbal junco]

@foggy pathalso keep in mind it's every kid who ever gets into gamedev that parrots the same ideas when they just start:

I'm going to make an MMO, need a full team
or
I'm going to make a 100p battle royale game, need a full team

[quasi mantle]

Now CDPR has a chance for redemption arc. The double standard is still on their side

[timber viper]

There is a term called "visiting the grave first", they are missing that part

[foggy path]

Perhaps, but I don't see why people feel like they need to be jerks to them about it

[verbal junco]

is that an idiom?

[verbal junco]

nobody is being a jerk for telling you to scope down for your first project. if they resist, you can only do so much

[timber viper]

Yeah, learning from people who failed, and why they have failed. So you understand if doing something makes sense in your conditions

[quasi mantle]

I'm going to make a single player RPG all by myself for now, I'll recruit a team when I have the resources.

That is honestly better sounding to me.

[verbal junco]

couldn't find anything on google about it

but I like the saying

[timber viper]

I saw that in a book so maybe I might translated in my way

[deep copper]

people generally go from ,over ambitious -> stuff they can do -> git gud (ofc, ignoring failures)

[verbal junco]

it's not something I've heard before

[foggy path]

I'm not sure why you think that this is what I would mean by "being a jerk" because it should be pretty obvious that's not being a jerk :P

[verbal junco]

this is what it is btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

[quasi mantle]

There's like a shit ton of failed indie MMO and overambitious project

[verbal junco]

and I see no reason to indulge people in their ignorance

dream or no

[timber viper]

Even big studios fail very hard

See HouseMarque

They ended up creating Returnal instead

They're not that big but still big enough

[verbal junco]

in fact there was a ted talk a while back that talked about the price we'd put on ideas versus execution that I felt was right on the money

dude spoke about how ideas could have monetary value in the range of 1 to 20 bucks

but the execution determined the scale factor

so a great idea could be 20 bucks. and if done really well, you could scale that 20 bucks by 100k

but if it's a great idea done badly, you might only scale it by 5

similarly, an average idea could be 10 bucks, but if it's executed well it could be worth more than a great idea with terrible execution

[deep copper]

i think it's like those people that hear "this guy started from a garage and now runs Microsoft company" (not true probably) and get over ambitious, start a business, lose everything because they are following "ideal" stuff

[mossy nexus]

I shall sell you this bit of text that says you own this bit of text.

[timber viper]

That's why I'm confident on my personal project

[deep copper]

i own your message <3 ????

[verbal junco]

@foggy path see the reply. I think this is the heart of the matter for me

too much value is put on ideas instead of execution

[timber viper]

Not NFTs again

[mossy nexus]

no no not a NFT. Just a simple scam with no block-chain required! So easy anyone can join in the fun!

[deep copper]

i would love to own a moa message

[foggy path]

Yeah like I don't have any issue in being realistic, I just personally think it's good that people are excited to try all kinds of weird projects because you usually end up learning a lot even if the project fails

[deep glen]

sorry Moa, just had to do it

[quasi mantle]

I'm inclined to think the 80s and the 90s were a better time to start up a creative company

[verbal junco]

that's assuming they ever get started. from what I've seen they never do

[mossy nexus]

lol I saw something changed but didn't notice what 😄

[cursive crypt]

uuh... wut that nick?

[deep glen]

:p

[cursive crypt]

Do you accept crypto?

[timber viper]

Can u make a discount

[verbal junco]

man I just had an interesting thought

idea liquidity

[timber viper]

Do you remember anything about this TED talk by the way? Name of it or the person who was speaking

[quasi mantle]

Trade with 13 kilogrammes of potatoes

[verbal junco]

or conceptual liquidity

[mossy nexus]

You know I'd really like to accommodate you with that but it would go against my no NFT rule. Future version may include this functionality though, and existing customers will be able to save $$$.

[verbal junco]

nope, some business dude

[deep copper]

most of those people had financial backers btw, so failure wasn't much risky to most of them that succeeded, they could handle a few months of loss and adjust too

[mossy nexus]

What kind of potatoes??

[verbal junco]

it might have been simon sinek

"might"

[quasi mantle]

Literal potatoes

[timber viper]

He has some nice talks, might be

Lemme dig it up

[mossy nexus]

King Edwards or Maris Pipers could be considered

[quasi mantle]

Not the e-waste junk kind of potatoes hehehe

[deep glen]

or at the very least, literature about potatoes

[deep copper]

square shape potatoes

[zinc matrix]

can I game while building lights?

[verbal junco]

but what I wanted to say about this notion of "conceptual liquidity" is that this may be a relevant term for the future. the ted talk dude alludes to it the way he speaks about execution, but I don't think it's been formalized

[deep copper]

"how many games does it take to screw a light bulb"

shh don't make it aware of it, it will die

[verbal junco]

in finance, asset liquidity determines how easy you can exchange one asset for another. e.g. cash has the highest liquidity because you can exchange almost everything for cash. but if you're e.g. trying to sell a house, that's less liquid and takes longer to find the right buyer etc.

so taking this concept and applying it to concepts or ideas would be basically saying: "how easy is this idea to execute upon?"

how easily can this idea be turned into money

or fame

or whatever your end goal is

[deep copper]

"how easy it is to execute it" huh

[quasi mantle]

Yes

[deep copper]

that adds a motivational factor to ideas, i like it

[quasi mantle]

Make someone suffer IRL and it'll die

[deep copper]

children don't cry unless people make them aware they fell down and got hurt, i have heard

[quasi mantle]

Or trigger someone's existential crisis

[verbal junco]

was this a question?

[deep copper]

nope, just taking a qoute from what you said

[verbal junco]

I'm gonna write this down

and make a note for my peers

[quasi mantle]

I slit my fingers with a knife and I don't feel the pain until I realise I slit my fingers with a knife

Typical clumsy chef boi

Unknowing is one of the powerful anesthesia

[timber viper]

Generally unless you are some kind of Activision type of company games never easy to execute (create). But the 'current' state of your project matters when you are showcasing/selling it to people/investors

A game with only basic movement prototypes vs a game with proper tools, core gameplay loop already implemented, systems that allows fast iteration etc

It matters

[verbal junco]

no but it doesn't have to be just games. it could be mechanics, levels, sections, products, whatever

[deep copper]

i feel like creation is just the beginning, after that is another battle

[quasi mantle]

If you don't know you're in pain, you won't feel it until you know it

[deep copper]

there was a guy with a symptom where they couldn't feel pain

[verbal junco]

my peers have ideas daily on how to execute on some design problems. sometimes their ideas are too big for what needs to be done, and sometimes they're useful. but I think this notion would be useful to explain in order to put their ideas in perspective of what they're trying to achieve

[zinc matrix]

nah, warzone got a bit of fps drop

or freeze

[deep copper]

yes, for children it's more like they don't know how to express pain

[quasi mantle]

Oh, I thought you're playing Doom

[zinc matrix]

lol

yeah

gta vice city and cs 1.6 works fine

😄

[quasi mantle]

I only play old games

[deep copper]

usually, noting down even the most impossible idea helps, you basically note down everything, then Frankenstein it and reach a doable goal

[verbal junco]

there's different ways to approach it. I don't like generalized approaches because they often don't yield good results. but there are useful heuristics out there

[quasi mantle]

Usually I just walk away when building
Or lay on bed like a lazy motherfricker

[verbal junco]

and sometimes it's a problem that can't be solved wholesale by one department

so you have to understand how other departments see the same problem and how they want to approach it

[quasi mantle]

Might as well stay hydrated while you have nothing better to do

[deep copper]

having everyone agree on one approach is critical in such huge social structures too, and also utilizing their ideas, btw, this is also a reason why noting down even the absurd ideas they come up with helps, because if they feel heard, they are more likely to agree

or, collaborate and come up with better ideas

again it's an ideal approach, sometimes they get stuck thinking of just one thing

[verbal junco]

you don't come up with better ideas

[timber viper]

I guess thats where project managers came into play, right?

[verbal junco]

you come up with compromises