lounge

[knotty skiff]

Oh hell nhahhhh

I need a lore of this universe!!!?!!

[deep copper]

..

[zinc matrix]

alright, in a mood to rob some banks and call a bunch of hookers

🤙 😄

[deep copper]

finally go to some graveyards while at it?

[zinc matrix]

lol what

but yeah you're right

i'm probably gonna end up making another graveyard scene lol

[deep copper]

#lounge message

[zinc matrix]

nah

been living in daytime lately

[deep copper]

what why

[zinc matrix]

yeah idk

[deep copper]

sounds like you fixed your wake cycles

[zinc matrix]

yeah, but you really can't come up with anything during day

feels weird

you try to escape into dream world, while the sun is shining outside

[deep copper]

yeah i get you, daytime is harsh on new thinking

[zinc matrix]

meanwhile reality outside is booring lol

night time rides give you a bit of vibe

[deep copper]

do you do some outdoor activities?

in the day

[zinc matrix]

yeah

riding bike

and sometimes I do pull ups

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-smile-gif-20576100

[zinc matrix]

feeling healthy and then it's back to no life art zone

😄

[deep copper]

that's some healthy stuff

[zinc matrix]

but sometimes I lock myself in and don't go outside for a few days

that's when the methaphor of horror house becomes alive

time gets distorted

atleast from the outside world

and you can travel back and forth to weird places

[deep copper]

you make that sound so dungeon like, meanwhile most people here are living like that

[zinc matrix]

😄

i mean

you have to workout while you do that shit lol

[deep copper]

what does that mean 🤔

[zinc matrix]

like to ancient times, victorian era

imagination

[deep copper]

ah, you mean being inmersed in a feeling / area

[zinc matrix]

yeah

[deep copper]

that's cool yes

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-john-marston-hello-boys-hi-boys-video-games-gif-17839126

[zinc matrix]

a bit of satan, a bit of god, a bit of ghosts

all that stuff

😛

[left granite]

not human ?

[deep copper]

your pfp now makes a lot more sense haha

https://tenor.com/view/hello-boy-mad-pierrot-cowboy-bebop-hello-there-hello-child-gif-24124920

[zinc matrix]

sometimes

[zinc matrix]

yeah, you've got to keep nuns by your side 😄

[knotty skiff]

Horror but it set in daytime

[left granite]

so you are a god

[deep copper]

you seemed in a quite party mood when you came here, did something good happen?

[zinc matrix]

yeah, snorted a line of happiness

[deep copper]

i can imagine deserted places

[zinc matrix]

lol

[deep copper]

ah right right

how do you feel rn?

[zinc matrix]

mhm

[knotty skiff]

But in a peaceful neighborhood

[zinc matrix]

lost

but happy

[left granite]

do not search nun in the gifs
XD

[zinc matrix]

more or less

[left granite]

and now you guys are searching nun in gifs

[deep copper]

you underestimate how lazy i am

[left granite]

where is the daily ping ?

XD

[deep copper]

no idea, but i guess i will ping

@left granite

[left granite]

@deep copper

[deep copper]

@left granite

[left granite]

@deep copper how are you my friend

[deep copper]

so , what bank is nearby?

[deep copper]

i am awesome brother, and how are you ? 😁

[zinc matrix]

probably las vegas desert

mafia 2 vibes

60's orange pure

😍

[deep copper]

hoho i see

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjlpVLJ1IkI&list=PLC45CC48E95DBBB72&index=4&ab_channel=Batistuta.rwm

[left granite]

thats good to here
i am fine too 😊

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-slinger-gun-slinging-cowboy-red-dead-gif-15753058

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/a-fistful-of-dollars-clint-eastwood-man-with-no-name-hat-tip-gif-4268634

[zinc matrix]

this is what I have so far

it's more like vice city

[deep copper]

aye aye looks really relaxing

[oblique cloak]

is there like a place to get free materials? I can find anything on google really. like patterns

[left granite]

megascans

[zinc matrix]

lightning make them look good

[oblique cloak]

no. not mega scans. not what i am looking for lol

thats a good spot 😄

[zinc matrix]

so you mean throwing layers aka decals onto them?

[oblique cloak]

lone is that from 1970's nyc pack?

[zinc matrix]

yeah that big mafia city

[oblique cloak]

I would stay aay from premade buildings so they dont stick out to much, do some google searchs and make a flat square and drag a older building into the scene and build it that way 🙂

Thats how i build my stuff lol

[zinc matrix]

drag other building?

texture?

[oblique cloak]

yeah

[zinc matrix]

takes time lol

[oblique cloak]

the google texture just drag it to a like flat surface and build from it so you dont have to tab

[zinc matrix]

but yeah

[oblique cloak]

takes time, but is also a lot prettier 🙂

[verbal junco]

pretty sure every environment artist out there just felt a disturbance in the force

[oblique cloak]

LOL

[zinc matrix]

yeah

feels like 2000 methods

[oblique cloak]

hey man thats how i do it idk

[zinc matrix]

i mean they work

😄

[deep copper]

that's some ian hubert stuff

[zinc matrix]

that cs 1.6 aesthetic

[oblique cloak]

HEY

[deep copper]

or however you spell their name

[oblique cloak]

hhaha

[zinc matrix]

i run around empty maps just for inspiration

takes you back to simpler times when things looked good even low quality

[oblique cloak]

look at the mess i made xD

i try like 30 different ways before i find something i like

[deep copper]

what's with 2 bottom bars 🤔 is that a screenshot of a screenshot or a screenshot of a vm

[oblique cloak]

trying to find moroccan materials is hard af....

Oh its from my capturecard

el gato 4k

discord is on my streaming pc

[deep copper]

ah i se- actually i have no idea what that means but i see that i wasn't correct

[deep copper]

but nice, it feels cardboardish

[oblique cloak]

yupp, thats prototyping for ya

[verbal junco]

even for an environment artist it's worth considering working with proxies first

and leave detail work with materials to much later, once you have compositions working

[deep copper]

proxies, meaning just basic shapes? 🤔

[verbal junco]

proxies are the art version of a blockout

[oblique cloak]

Proxy Geometry

i dont even use that lol

i use block out tools with a snap tool

[verbal junco]

so LD does blockout and increases detail with iteration until a point where art will take it over

at which point the first step is to make a proxy

[oblique cloak]

most of my meshes are just shapes with megascans details baked on them from merging the mesh

[deep copper]

systematic at first then artistic huh

[verbal junco]

it's ownership transferred between departments

once design intentions are cemented art takes over and makes everything pretty

but generally you dont start a level by just adding random meshes and materials

or a scene for that matter

you have to fundamentally make it work first

there is science and method to this

not just "lol let's use these 3 asset packs together and hope we can get something working"

[oblique cloak]

I dont do that, i make most of my own meshes with 3ds max and megascans.

just saying 😛

[verbal junco]

I'm just saying how I see it

your screenshot was telling is all

[oblique cloak]

telling what?

[verbal junco]

telling about your workflow

[oblique cloak]

Yeah its shit i know

lol

dont have to tell me twice, thats what happens when your self taught.

[verbal junco]

there is no school for this, everyone is self taught

[deep copper]

so focus on how gameplay might interact with the scene and "blockout" the whole deal, then slowly add finer details till you are sure you can focus on just decorations ( materials + non useful stuff ). am i correct in this?

[verbal junco]

well if you're making a "scene" you don't have to consider gameplay

BUT

if you can move around in the scene you still have to consider focal points

if you cannot move around, all you are doing is doing a 3D version of 2D piece of concept art

[oblique cloak]

When doing my scene i base it on how fast i can get from one area to another then compare it with another game like cs, valorant and cod. Then i add from that.

[verbal junco]

(nothing wrong with that either, env artists do this all the time)

[deep copper]

so art where i decide camera vs scene where anyone decides camera goes different huh

[verbal junco]

if you're doing level design you should not be using art assets in any capacity until the blockout is finalized

it's not a thing of mixing and matching

[oblique cloak]

So its bad practice to build out one area, make it look pretty and then move on to the next?

[verbal junco]

very

[oblique cloak]

i do it by areas. like lets say spawn.

damn

[verbal junco]

if you're just messing around as a hobbyist and have no intention of entering the industry you can do what you like

but if you're serious about getting a job, first I would focus on which role you want

then I'd specialize in that role so that you can show off what you want

so if you're wanting to do art, do ONLY art

if you're wanting to do LD, do ONLY LD

you're not going to learn both well if you try them side by side, and any potential employer will only ever hire you for one of those roles

[cursive crypt]

Where memes? Why work talks, have a beer, slack.

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-10144248

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/slack-slack-is-down-millhouse-gif-12072574

[cursive crypt]

True mastership is born from laziness. How to do most with least?

[deep copper]

and also not get demotivated enough to quit in the middle

[oblique cloak]

lol im so lazy sometimes i make material decals because i do not feel like exporting to 3ds max xD just slap that baby on there.

[quasi mantle]

Hush little baby don't say a word
lazy mf'er you've been served

[deep copper]

wa, a unique brother appeared !

[cursive crypt]

Is that new holo trend with these nicks?

[deep copper]

welcome to the brother cult mako! 🫂

[deep copper]

you started this whole nickname deal

you are the founder

and CE

[verbal junco]

missed opportunity to call yourself brother hoodie

[verbal junco]

when your blockout is so beautiful it brings a tear to your eye you almost don't want to let the artist put materials on it

[deep copper]

just call it a style and roll with it

[verbal junco]

superhot did it well

all white

[deep copper]

it's already a thing, i was kinda expecting it tbh

[cursive crypt]

When you so high you spend days tuning your blockout materials and nobody cares.

[verbal junco]

that's why I don't get high

[deep copper]

you stay too low (sad)

[oblique cloak]

lol when polys dont matter xD this is every model i make. i think 4m might be to much this time thto

[deep copper]

"size doesn't matter"

[verbal junco]

idk what you wanted to show with that screenshot

[deep copper]

but yeah with nanite i am expecting this

anything can be as high (T&C apply)

[verbal junco]

idk feels like another buzzword

like "4k"

people pay too much attention to that stuff and forget about making the stuff that is important

[deep copper]

mh

[oblique cloak]

Oh i was not showing nothing, just bored man. I dont really talk to many people other than a few friends and this discord. I was just saying 4m polys dont matter no more with nanite. The older days a 4m poly model would give you like 30 fps looking at it.

[foggy path]

Your authoring tools will still have to be able to deal with it lol

So I don't think it's quite "doesn't matter" :D

[verbal junco]

it's okay we're just going to do a gazillion polies in 4k no worries

[deep copper]

i recall my pc with ue4 blank level had less than 60 fps before -_-

[verbal junco]

nanite will save us

[cursive crypt]

Lumen bless ya

[verbal junco]

the holy trinity

landmass, nanite, lumen

[cursive crypt]

Who is the 3rd wheel

ah

Nah, world partition

[verbal junco]

world partition isn't real, it can't hurt you

but but muh nanite

[deep copper]

i would be surprised if it runs

[cursive crypt]

What about beer plugin?

[verbal junco]

it is about time for a drink soon

[cursive crypt]

Take one for the team.

[verbal junco]

while we wait for another beast from the east

[cursive crypt]

bEast?

[oblique cloak]

unwrap took 2 minutes btw. exporting to ue5 now 😛

[cursive crypt]

Sounds like a boolean.

[verbal junco]

more like a storm

or blizzard

like a few years ago

[deep copper]

so it IS a boolean

will get rid of stuff

[cursive crypt]

Blizzard makes games, not sure what you are saying 🤔

[deep copper]

is Blizzard from east?

[verbal junco]

I'm out this convo became too dopey too fast

I'll leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z77JFw2D6f8

[cursive crypt]

Okay, have eggreat evening.

Ah, no, I'm chilling from that topic.

[oblique cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-cat-sovicat-soviet-ussr-cat-gif-21826197

[deep copper]

i was thinking that lounge didn't have any of that today yet

[left granite]

[deep copper]

night night

sleep tight

[oblique cloak]

Why is it so hard to find a movie to watch..

[deep copper]

.. that's why i haven't watched any movie in so long

[oblique cloak]

i just scrolled thru about 1,000 movies lmao. I feel like either i watched everything, or that movie is just bad.

[deep copper]

have you seen something called "the endless"?

i haven't yet but i heard it's nice

[foggy path]

Hard to find movies to watch? Hah

You should watch The Roller Blade Seven, and Terminator 2

[deep copper]

i have most probably seen the latter

[foggy path]

No you haven't

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098321/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_27

[oblique cloak]

I was born in the 80s lol my dad made me watch all those classics xD

[deep copper]

wha, how did you know i haven't

because i haven't actually i think

but it sounded so familiar 🤔

[foggy path]

@oblique cloak you haven't watched this either lol

this is an italian b-movie and the only reason it's called terminator 2 is to try and trick people into thinking it's a sequel to terminator lol

[oblique cloak]

Oh shit. i see that now

damn you got me good!

[deep copper]

what in the

[oblique cloak]

lol

[deep copper]

is this legally okay

it sounds illegal

[foggy path]

Who knows :D

we've been watching some really terrible movies with some friends and this came up

so we've just been on an endless journey of clicking on the director of the movie and just listing up all the titles that sound even vaguely entertaining, and checking the related movies, etc.

the amount of garbage tier movies you can find this way is pretty insane lol

[deep copper]

why does rollar blade seven have 2.1/10 rating in imdb

ah i see

[foggy path]

Yeah I wouldn't know, it's a stellar piece of filmmaking

[deep copper]

[foggy path]

I mean can it be bad when famous actor Frank Stallone is in it

[deep copper]

`A Godzilla sized turkey

It was (foolishly) with some degree of relish that I sat down to watch what a friend had promised would be the worst/best movie experience of my life, the mighty 'Roller blade 7'. 2 years on and I'm still in therapy. Oh yes my dear friends it REALLY IS THAT BAD. They obviously got about 40 minutes of footage in the can and then decided to use said footage endlessly and repeatedly to brain-numbing effect. My only fear of the kind of post-apocalyptic world featured in this turkey is that somehow, some way, a print of this abomination would survive. Truly the living would envy the dead`

[foggy path]

lol

it's the first movie from Scott Shaw which uses his so-called "zen filmmaking" technique

[deep copper]

..i have never heard of that name

[foggy path]

which basically means they don't use a script and just film whatever they feel like

[deep copper]

then again i am bad with names

[foggy path]

so the result is... interesting

[deep copper]

what

that's

huh

[foggy path]

Frank is Sylvester Stallone's brother :D

[deep copper]

experimental style it is

[foggy path]

I think he might be better known as a musician than an actor tbh

[deep copper]

uhm i am sorry but i really don't recognise names too well, let me just google that up ^^

[foggy path]

Sylvester Stallone is one of the most famous action movie stars, probably second only to Arnold

[deep copper]

ah it's the rocky rambo guy

i have already searched his name before how weird I don't remember it haha

nope, never seen this frank guy though

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fveNd4x1cA&ab_channel=entertainmentone

[ocean parcel]

hey guys

did you know you can stream on twitch at 13 years old?

how is that allowed!?

[deep copper]

same as discord

[signal citrus]

https://youtu.be/HT-c7Uzc2Dk

[deep copper]

yt also has that

[ocean parcel]

somehow twitch feels different. like it's wrong somehow.

[deep copper]

i don't use that but don't people stream games there?

and stuff

[ocean parcel]

and stuff 👀 yeah

[deep copper]

😐 it can't be that bad

right

[ocean parcel]

for real!? everyone hates twitch lmao

it's an awful platform

[verbal junco]

13 years old?

[ocean parcel]

mmhm

[deep copper]

i know of a few other artists as well that use it

[verbal junco]

if you're 13 how are you buying stuff online

[ocean parcel]

huh?

i'm not 13

[verbal junco]

I see

[deep copper]

not 13.. noted

[ocean parcel]

🤔

[foggy path]

I've not noticed people particularly hating twitch tbh

[ocean parcel]

I wish I was 13

interesting....

[deep copper]

yeah it's kinda just there type of platform from what i have seen

[ocean parcel]

i asked in another server what people think of twitch and everyone hated on it.

[deep copper]

what did they use it for?

[ocean parcel]

i mean, tha'ts kind of a pointless question lmao

[verbal junco]

the TwitchHatersAnonymous server

obviously

[deep copper]

i am quite certain it deends on why they use twitch

depends*

[signal citrus]

People really have an idea of what twitch is supposed to be and get angry when it’s something else’s

[foggy path]

I mean if you actually try to use one of the alternative platforms for it they're all worse

[deep copper]

yt has restriction of subs etc as well on streaming right

with yt down i see like zoom meet or something else but that's like discord level personal stream

[foggy path]

The main issue with twitch is stuff like viewbotting and what have you, not much else to hate on it unless you're one of the incels who get upset about the fact that some woman was streaming in her bikini in the wrong category

[oblique cloak]

mixer viewbotting was worse. lol

[foggy path]

Yeah, that's a problem on all platforms

[oblique cloak]

very easy to fake with legit proxies 😛

[zinc matrix]

lol

[ocean parcel]

I just mean the answer is pointless, as CE points out it's not gonna be 'Twitch Haters Anonymous server' or something. xD

[oblique cloak]

postal man. great series.

the first one i used to pee on everyone.

[zinc matrix]

that last one is straight up meat machine lol

upcoming one

[deep copper]

that's actually a bit terrifying 😨

stuff can jump at you from anywhere

[deep copper]

it's a way to tell what kind of people are there, like this server has all people doing something related to ue

so people not hating twitch in a game making server makes sense

[ocean parcel]

it was one example.... again, why it's a pointless question.

[foggy path]

It would be much more telling to hear what they actually hated about it

because it could just be complete nonsense for all we know lol

[deep copper]

yup

[oblique cloak]

I mean. if twitch upped there bitrate to at least 16k

i would stream... but its useless to stream at there max.

[ocean parcel]

fair fair lol

[deep copper]

it doesn't have some premium feature for it?

[oblique cloak]

nope.

6000 kbps

no matter the streamer.

[deep copper]

missed opportunity for some quick cash for them

[oblique cloak]

thats why when you watch people playing games like EFT or any game with a lot of foliage or lots of renders, it looks like shit.

they cap there fps at 60 too..

[deep copper]

again i have never used it but i see

[oblique cloak]

i know just saying out loud 🙂

[foggy path]

I don't really know what point would there be for a stream fps to be over 60 🤔

even 48 is pretty smooth already even for fast paced games

[oblique cloak]

brime has 120 fps streams and max of 36,000 bitrate

but no one streams there LOL

[deep copper]

"alright guys let's test our screen refresh rates today, here's something at 9000fps"

[oblique cloak]

hahah

[foggy path]

It seems 36k bitrate is just... for people without hardware to compress their streams? I dunno :P

[oblique cloak]

it's for people playing games in 4 - 8k

[deep copper]

screens get bigger and bigger

[foggy path]

when a 720p stream looks sufficiently good most of the time on a 1440p monitor it seems a bit dubious to need something like that

[cursive crypt]

POV
https://i.redd.it/wt4265mc1kl81.jpg

Fix your field of view

[deep copper]

there was a non anime version of this

btw i have heard you can see this if you try in a mirror as well

[median wraith]

https://www.facebook.com/unreal.engine.explorer/photos/a.110157944480458/317498510413066/

damm son

[deep copper]

i don't have a fb account oof

[oblique cloak]

bitrate and fps determine the quality over steam in h264

[cursive crypt]

How many spot lights are that?

[deep copper]

ah it works without account as well, nice

[cursive crypt]

Also... wtf is Facebook used as portfolio

[foggy path]

Well yes, but when a 720p stream looks sufficient on a monitor which is probably still above average size, why would you need 35k bitrates

[median wraith]

rather there are no walls lol

[cursive crypt]

I like the corridor lighting

[foggy path]

especially considering a large portion of users actually watch streams on phones, laptops or tablets which are even smaller than a desktop monitor

[deep copper]

there's also the internet connection speed restrictions

[foggy path]

Going above 720p watching youtube on my 15" mac produces no noticeable difference in quality

[deep copper]

i find 1080p enough for my pc, but for the tv 4k might make sense

[oblique cloak]

this is what a 720 stream looks like at a 6k bitrate in EFT

[deep copper]

that poor plant

lol

[foggy path]

That can't be very well set up in terms of settings...

[deep copper]

it looks like a water painting around there

[oblique cloak]

Its not the settings man, its the over all upload speed to twitch

[foggy path]

If EFT looks like that in 720p at 6k bitrate then every single EFT twitch stream should look like this

But they don't

[oblique cloak]

even wtih my el gato 4k, same results

ill scrool thru them all

bored anyways lol

[foggy path]

here's the first one I looked at, 936p60 so it surely should be much more garbled if 6k was not enough for 720p

[oblique cloak]

thats because they are using a good encoder, your right. I did watch her stream for a couple seconds, it does have the bad pixelated look when mving mouse left and right tho not as much.

[deep copper]

936p?

[foggy path]

Yeah, I don't know what encoding settings it's using, I've definitely noticed it can garble a bit with PUBG or w/e

[median wraith]

What a good times to play escape from tarkov...

[deep copper]

so that's what eft is

[oblique cloak]

i hate that freaking game lol the sound quality makes me hate it more than anything... you cant make out any footsteps.

[foggy path]

Tbh it being a bit garbled didn't bother me that much anyway so I don't know if I'm the best person to judge lol

Yeah PUBG audio is weird... you can make out footsteps but you need to have it on so loud that you'll ruin your hearing

The pro's must be having so fucking much tinnitus in a few years

[oblique cloak]

EXACTLY WHY I QUIT!

lmfao

PTSD from that game

[median wraith]

Hunt Showdown is kinda perfect on audio etc

also the only shooter with the crosshair moved from the center

[oblique cloak]

I had to use a audio booster with dolby atmos to fix it

[cursive crypt]

https://www.pcmag.com/news/nvidia-to-stop-all-product-sales-to-russia

CSGO, noooo

[oblique cloak]

way to many cheaters, VAC is still trash.

[median wraith]

so will G2A etc close ?

[oblique cloak]

Rzeszów, Poland

so no

it's not russian

[median wraith]

well

next step epic cancels all the licenses in russia

[deep copper]

cancel culture

[median wraith]

and tbh all this kind of actions are kinda crap as the people living in russia have nothing todo with the decision of the leader

[cursive crypt]

Ea/xbox already did

[oblique cloak]

I feel bad for people like s1mple from cs go..

he did nothing, and everything he ever acomplished is gone forever because of this

[foggy path]

s1mple is ukrainian :P

[oblique cloak]

you sure?

[foggy path]

yeah... :D

[oblique cloak]

HE IS

why is his team canceled then?

sorry i had no idea

[foggy path]

Who says his team is canceled?

[oblique cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-dunce-gif-10694047

[foggy path]

Navi has some russian players but it's a ukrainian team

and they played in IEM Katowice just like a week or two ago

[oblique cloak]

Oh the team i was thinking of wow i was so freaking off.

Gambit

[foggy path]

:D

[oblique cloak]

They won last years valorants tourney

gambit is done for unless they get visas.

[deep copper]

ah, it's a team, so that's why there are so many @gambit here

[cursive crypt]

https://i.redd.it/3644w29t0ll81.jpg
🤔

[oblique cloak]

So making every object in your game high poly is not good to do? even with nanite?

what would be a good standard poly like 100 - 300 k?

I was running around 700m polys at over 100 fps in the editor.

[deep copper]

i think it depends on what you find easier and if the poly even contributes anything

again i left game dev so my answer means nothing

[oblique cloak]

all good..naw your fine man i like hearing people opinions 🙂

[deep copper]

i guess that's why you are in #lounge and not #graphics or #level-design or something

[oblique cloak]

yupp 🙂

critic's and 100% seriosness in those places. lol

[deep copper]

yeah i get stressed just reading #ue4-general

[pearl compass]

yes they do. And before you say something dumb like they cant do anything, there are millions of them, and thousands in the gov.

if they couldnt do "anything" we wouldnt have revolutions all the time

[median wraith]

revolutions ? since when ?

[deep copper]

i find it amusing how people suddenly reply to old messeges lol

[pearl compass]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions#2020s

[cursive crypt]

Btw, they recently introduced 15y prison for being contra on their governmental issued media.

[pearl compass]

since ALL THE TIME

be less obtuse

[unreal ether]

Depends what you work with, 300k polys for something like a crate or a barrel is insane

[median wraith]

idk the protest effects here do between nullptr and null

[cursive crypt]

nullptr > null

[deep copper]

well it has more longer name

[obsidian snow]

How do I get stream perms, just curious

[deep copper]

manny

@turbid spindle

this bot knows

[obsidian snow]

Ah alr

[deep copper]

!help

[cursive crypt]

However what most people miss is that under dictatorship, people are usually ignored. Whatever the protests as long you have military, you will be fine.

[obsidian snow]

!stream

Ah ok thanks

[oblique cloak]

i will use about 13 of them in my map. Is 86k polys to much?

[unreal ether]

Nanite makes it so it is runnable, but it it still bad practice. Realistically you could get that down to a few k

[oblique cloak]

btw this is just a few rectangles smoothed out xD

[oblique cloak]

ill keep this in mind thank you

[unreal ether]

A lot of game characters are around 60-100k

I try not to go over 20k with general objects

And sinple stuff less than a few k

[oblique cloak]

good info to know

i have been doing everything wrong

[unreal ether]

You might want to look into smoothness in shading rather than gemoetry

[deep copper]

without nanite it was always lesser the better, that thing in ss can go down to hundreds and will also loose some smoothing but eh, shader smoothing was enough back then

[cursive crypt]

loool, it will be legal to be illegal
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5240942

Translate to English ^

[oblique cloak]

imagine if crypto wallets where suspended.

[unreal ether]

A cylinder made up of 8 parts with smooth shading will look better than a 15 part cylinder with flat shading

[cursive crypt]

Well, basically the government say - it will be fine to use pirated software.

So, go children

Well, they had some shame before. Not that most hacked distros werent from there.

[deep copper]

it was practically fine before as well, now bigger corps can use it too? great

[cursive crypt]

But yeah, it was not issue before so and now.

[unreal ether]

Now woth nanite you can get away with high poly counts, but id still optimise models

[oblique cloak]

what channel is good to discuss 3d modeling?

[deep copper]

some said if your tools can unwrap and all that with high poly, good to go

[oblique cloak]

i got a bunch of Q's

[cursive crypt]

Also, why you afraid? 🤔 you won't be marked or something.

https://tenor.com/view/laser-cat-laser-eyes-cucumber-cat-cute-gif-17760542

[deep copper]

probably afraid of ru hackers and injected weird sites

[cursive crypt]

huh, shouldn't you be installing something for these?

[deep copper]

there's way too many ads on regular news sites as well

[cursive crypt]

I have adblocker + some track blockers + js blockers

full armament ON

[night grove]

No joke

[cursive crypt]

You can use uuh... Brave, you get some cryptos for browsing.

[deep copper]

"better safe than sorry"

[night grove]

I'll stop blocking the damn ads when they stop spamming obnoxious malware laden ads

[cursive crypt]

Maybe a NFT of 4 by 4 pixels if you are lucky.

[night grove]

I find the rise of the video game streams on blog sites esp annoying

[oblique cloak]

I do not understand NFT's can the creator of a nft, just make the same NFT and make millions of the same thing?

[cursive crypt]

It ain't bad really. Some of our ITs like it. I even got lectured for half an hour once how good it is.

[deep copper]

i have heard nft has value because it's unique

idk how it works

[night grove]

That's the point. NFTs play heavily into the old wisdom "a fool and his money is soon parted"

At the end of the day an NFT is just a string stored on a database

[cursive crypt]

It seems trendy too 🤔

Foxy? Firefox?

[night grove]

It doesn't even store the asset that is supposedly being sold

That is hosted through traditional hosting means

[oblique cloak]

makes zero sense to me. "hmm someone valued my nft to 1 million, ill just dupe it"

[cursive crypt]

Gosh... it was so easy before, only few browsers. Firefox was the most recent thing.

[deep copper]

market saturation and competition

[oblique cloak]

firefox used to make my memory go to 99% back in the day thats why i gave up on it to this day

[night grove]

Furthermore, ownership of an NFT doesn't give you private access either

EVERYONE can see the token stored on the NFT

So everyone can look at the cat gif you bought for 1mil

[deep copper]

is there a really simple guide that actually goes indepth about nft?

[night grove]

Not that I know of

My neighbor was trying hard to recruit me to make an NFT game

He really likes all the crypto stuff

We spent a lot of time talking about the technical details on NFT

[deep copper]

yeah.. there were plenty here doing that as well

[night grove]

Basically, as far as games are concerned you could imagine an NFT as basically a serial code

[cursive crypt]

I bet there is Vim browser too, tehehe

[oblique cloak]

this is just fucking ridiculous. https://nft.coachella.com/marketplace

[night grove]

Everyone can read the code, but there is a check that can be made to see who owns it

[cursive crypt]

Or you were an Emacser? Hmm.

[night grove]

So you can theoretically enforce ownership of NFT items in games that way

[deep copper]

ponki uses emac

so no duplicates are easily possible?

[night grove]

BUT it is a whole lot of extra technical baggage for things that can be done much more simply through a basic database

[night grove]

Depends on your definition of "duplicates"

[deep copper]

i guess i will have to understand how ownership works in nft first

[night grove]

DRM of any form can always be cracked eventually

[deep copper]

it seems like such a can of worms ...

[night grove]

The basis of NFT is it is distributed

So you can't really trick the NFT blockchain into thinking you own something you don't

[oblique cloak]

NFT's are worthless.

[night grove]

HOWEVER, you can always crack the game code and trick IT into believing you own something.

[oblique cloak]

This is why i buy gold irl.

lol

[night grove]

Furthermore, there is an implied contract with NFT that you get a specific item in a specific game

HOWEVER, the game code could easily defectively break that

Because the NFT is just a string

The game has to interpret that string into something meaningful

Change the game's parsing algorithm and suddenly the NFT "changes"

[deep copper]

i mean, nft is practically database for the game in that case, game should have control over item creation in it

[night grove]

Yes it does

[deep copper]

or is it just modification of item?

not creation?

[night grove]

The NFT isn't an item, it's just a string

The game decides how to turn that string into an item

How many times have games had defects in relation to save data, or player progress, or whatever?

[deep copper]

can the game add more strings?

[night grove]

I don't fully understand how NFTs are "minted"

But in theory, yes

The game can have a hook to generate new NFTs

I don't know how you prevent players from abusively minting new NFTs

[median wraith]

they have in the marketplace some NFT tool

[night grove]

That was out of the scope of responsibilities I was going to do with the contract

[deep copper]

or the creator themselves abusing the game algorithms like you said

[night grove]

Ummm... The creators design and control the algorithm

So you can't really say they "abuse it"

[deep copper]

true, btw the ownership of nft is, the person owns the "string", right?

[night grove]

Yes, the NFT is placed in a wallet that they own

[deep copper]

so the game can interpret it however, freely, without any downside?

[night grove]

Yes

The game can access any NFT in any wallet

As long as you have the wallet address

[deep copper]

okay so it isn't abuse yeah

[night grove]

The game can also ask the player to prove they own the wallet

That is part of the blockchain APIs

So in theory a game would ask the player to login to their wallet

It would then scan the wallet for NFTs

Any that are compatible with the game would be presented as game assets

[deep copper]

it's like crypto wallet thing, for any crypto site

[night grove]

Yes it is all blockchain based

[deep copper]

ah right

blockchain also only has strings right?

[night grove]

After you've done the "authentication", the NFTs are little more than serial codes

[deep copper]

so it's just that but used differently?

[night grove]

NFT is also just strings

You can't actually store assets on NFT

Often the NFT string is just a URL pointing at the asset you bought, which is in turn hosted on a standard web server

Since anyone can look at all the NFTs on the chain, anyone can follow the link and download the asset

[deep copper]

wait wait wait,

[night grove]

Now the pieces are falling in place... lol

[deep copper]

so the person can only own the string, and the stuff that string points to, can change?

[night grove]

Yes exactly

[deep copper]

wth

[night grove]

In 10 years or w/e, all these NFTs are going to turn into 404s

Unless they were interpreted by a game

[deep copper]

:/

[night grove]

Then the lifespan is w/e the maintenance plan on the game is

[deep copper]

i see why it's super useless now

[night grove]

The NFT string CANNOT change

However the world around it can

And since the value is the string + the context of the world

It is really a worthless scam asset

[deep copper]

... so you practically just purchase a piece of text that anyone can read...

[night grove]

Exactly

I forget the exact format of the string

But yes, it is essentially a serial code that you can prove ownership

This whole thing would be a lot more interesting if the code were used as a game code to prove ownership of a game

But that is more valuable for the resell market of video games

Not really something most digital publishers are interested in

[deep copper]

out of all the things this could have been used for...

[night grove]

The game can always be cracked to remove the "proof of ownership" bit

Or possibly even cracked in a way that players could spoof NFTs

Given a high percentage of NFT games are also being developed in Unity

[deep copper]

so, did you make the game you learned all this for?

[night grove]

It would be fairly trivial to reverse the NFT "hashing" code in the game

No

It's a fault of mine

I spend WAY too much time researching a topic, but don't get money from it

I declined

The contract was only for around $5k

[deep copper]

ah right, rip

[night grove]

Was pitched as "a few weeks of work"

But once I found the technical details.... I refused because I couldn't guarantee what they wanted

WAY too many avenues for "defects"

[deep copper]

that's true, it's a weird job

risky one

[night grove]

Exactly

But no major loss

I wanted to learn how NFT works, and I had access to someone that could explain it in great detail

I don't know how the minting process works, but I don't really care at this stage

[deep copper]

also you should maybe write a short guide on nfts, and how they are a scam, it really helped me out, might help others too who don't want to read huge chunks of text

[night grove]

Yeah there is a lot of stuff I should write

LOL

I'm a bit of a trivia nerd on random technical details

Someday maybe I'll actually setup my blog

I have a domain name for it already

I'm sure I have some sweeping generalizations on NFT technicalities that are a little off

But the general gist should be close enough

[deep copper]

you got a domain already? then you are pretty close

yeah tbf, just giving hints on it is better as well, because technicalities make it hard to understand for others

not to forget, it makes stuff long

[night grove]

I have several domain names

But I never like them enough to actually build a website

[deep copper]

relatable

[night grove]

I have one domain for my game company that I've been planning to use for over a year

But it includes the word "horizon"

So not sure I can use it since the game sequel came out

Yuck. I need to track down a package only problem with my material

FML

[deep copper]

rip rip

[oblique cloak]

If you register something and tm it, there should be no legal issues.

[night grove]

I don't have a TM

[deep copper]

well, idk about the legality with horizon but it's better to play safe yeah

[night grove]

I wouldn't have the assets to fight even the semblance of a legal battle

[deep copper]

however it shouldn't be that big deal,

[night grove]

Easier to find a new name now

[oblique cloak]

I already tmed and registered my games name, costed 300 bucks.

[night grove]

Oh that is not bad

I should TM my game's name

That part I'm set on

I have the domain for it as well

So I'm not sure the company name is all that important

[deep copper]

just tm it before someone else does

[oblique cloak]

it's just hard. It was wasted money.

once you do that tho there is no changing it

[night grove]

Domain name and LLC are easy paperwork. At least in USA

[deep copper]

but be sure you actually finish the game

[night grove]

I've been working full time on my game for a few months without other pay

[oblique cloak]

lol it was bitcoin casino winnings. so it does not matter

[night grove]

I'm going to at least take it to MVP to get crowd funding / publisher funding

I'm working on a custom destruction system like Apex / Chaos

Based on Static Meshes

[oblique cloak]

its the experience that counts. game dev became more fun than actually playing a game.

[night grove]

I can agree with that

Even if my game fails, it is ok

I'd rather not

But I'm using it to learn to dev professionally with UE

[oblique cloak]

Once you start deving, you notice repetition and laziness of games.

[night grove]

I was a "C# dev" before

[night grove]

This so much

I have a phrase

"Different faces same places"

[cursive crypt]

Oh nice, lol
Does it have a text editor?

[night grove]

Most the AAA games are the same thing with a different coat of paint

[oblique cloak]

seems like a COD reference.

[night grove]

Is it? I've never played COD

But I could see the interpretation

[oblique cloak]

same models, meshes, texutres, sounds, everything. different game reskinned.

[night grove]

I heard the phrase "fresh coat of paint" too much when working at various game studios

[cursive crypt]

It is useful to navigate between the links btw. Like, with the duckduckgo say: left, right, up, down, etc.

Definitely.

Reminds me of wc3

Or was it wm? 🤔

Haven't used in ages. The terminal browser.

[verbal junco]

nah, only when games are lazy and repetitive

that's why immersion is so important

[cursive crypt]

My Debian is so old that I'm afraid to upgrade it nowadays. Most of my packages are ancient.

[oblique cloak]

seeing the same model with the same texture with no difference added to it makes me cringe inside idk. like decay or a different slightly different color added would be nice.

[verbal junco]

have you been outside recently?

because you know

trees outside do this all the time

[oblique cloak]

sure bud.

hating on me hard today its cool tho 🙂

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_ZCe4QbF-o&ab_channel=DeadlyMaddawg31

damn

found it lol

it was from that doomer wow video

😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjB1D1AEJbg&ab_channel=bortsdale

[verbal junco]

not hating just very pretentious things to say

if anything I've been trying to help you on the right path

but if you dont want that no worries

[oblique cloak]

well thanks. im sorry to come off as rude

i speak English but i type and write like a dumbass.

[verbal junco]

I think it's more about the content

but w/e

not looking to make drama out of this

[oblique cloak]

no drama my friend

nothing but truth

something i like to escape.

[cursive crypt]

Okay, nap time
https://i.redd.it/7kcka2zsqkl81.jpg

[median wraith]

Linkedin so relevant always

[faint dock]

i think it's spot on

[verbal junco]

didn't know you were a nurse

[timber viper]

Nurse by day, technical artist by night, huh? 😎

[foggy path]

I think it depends mostly on your ability... photorealistic is pushing it for solo imo

2D is not hard to work with, Paper2D works well.. the main downside is you can't use animation blueprints, montages and other such features which are handy

[median wraith]

proctologist*

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-youre-the-ass-man-michael-richards-gif-10879751

[median wraith]

By day do black-holes* and by night illumination

[soft night]

I am night, i am vengeonge, Who I am?

[timber viper]

Is this a technical artist joke 😂

[mild basin]

Is there a tool to allow image sequencing for animation in a billboard? I have character animations that I'll use that repeat.

For Paper2D.

[verbal junco]

you're in the wrong channel guy. #ue4-general

[mild basin]

Thanks, zomg.

[timber viper]

I'm a caffeine addict who needs to sleep 5 minutes later and I'm not happy I that read your nickname 😦

[verbal junco]

decaff

[timber viper]

I dont like decaffs

[foggy path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqAqcPWZe7k

[verbal junco]

this is great stuff, thanks for sharing

[foggy path]

:D

Yeah Costanza is one of my favorite vaporwave artists

[verbal junco]

I love everything with a 80s vibe

and this is hitting the spot

[foggy path]

https://cstanza.bandcamp.com/ this is his bandcamp with a few more things on it

[verbal junco]

noice I'll take a look

[verbal junco]

I miss having a design channel 😔

[verbal junco]

well post memes here until then

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-pussy-cat-cute-gif-16942655

[verbal junco]

weakpass_3a?

wellll I didn't say it would be straightforward

[deep copper]

"little faster" 1000+ vs 0.93

[verbal junco]

what's your profession?

you can setup rules

[deep copper]

not game dev or anything much to do with ue actually

[verbal junco]

that wasn't the question though

[zinc matrix]

I don't help people because their questions are too stupid for my superior intellect

[deep copper]

prefer not to answer ✅

[verbal junco]

you're in a safe space. any answer goes

nobody is going to look down on you

I will exchange a beer ticket for any other beverage ticket free of charge

finnish people can drink

don't hold it against them

[deep copper]

you seem rather curious about me today, that makes me happy my friend 😄 , but, you will have to satisfy with just knowing hev's profession of being a nurse for today

[verbal junco]

I'm pretty sure you would not be so coy if I offered a drink

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-secrets-keep-your-secrets-gif-13114821

typo of the year

[deep copper]

me answering the question after a drink :

[zinc matrix]

answerinf the drink after the questoion

[verbal junco]

this is where I am at

[deep copper]

you drunk?

we have 0, 1, 2, 3, 4.27 so far

[verbal junco]

is anyone ever sober?

[verbal junco]

glad we're following numeric order to a T

[deep copper]

as long as "brother" is there, we also have one with ! ! ! or something

i think brother 2

@left granite there

quirky bros

[verbal junco]

I feel like this is just a scheme to divert our attention from your profession

but ok

[left granite]

gm boyz

[left granite]

i am

[left granite]

🧐

[median wraith]

https://twitter.com/nobby_saitama/status/1499835495182123009

nobby (@nobby_saitama)

だいたいこの10日間程でかじった知識でロシアやウクライナを理解するとか無理なんだよ。 https://t.co/CNYpXVydOs

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what the

seems like this is now a common

basically the same on the next line

Account blocked or locked or so withheld ?

I noticed they shutdown the russia and alike channels on vodafone etc too

[knotty skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/613941578670669838/949722283994411008/image0.jpg

[quasi mantle]

Waiting for brother 5.0 Preview 2

[left granite]

i am waiting for brother 69

XD

[deep copper]

what about 420

[deep copper]

let's see when and who we get for that

[deep copper]

wait you got rid of the ! ! ! lol

[cursive crypt]

Dang, I wonder how russian devs are doing. Even visa/mastercard are gone now.

[unborn lotus]

Not good at all...and no paypal

[cursive crypt]

Yeah... I see often devs from ukraine & russia .

sigh

[left granite]

[unborn lotus]

Meanwhile, Putin is doing "interviews" https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t7i2mh/zelensky_today_in_a_video_with_appeals_to_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share with a greenscreen 🤣

[left granite]

🤣

[deep copper]

why tho?

for safety?

[unborn lotus]

More like paranoia, he has been sitting in a bunker all this time

[rare mauve]

mpg compression artifacts go brrr

[timber viper]

😅

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/car-peugeot-select-screenshot-selection-gif-16093178

the hoggar...

what is this abomination

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/screenshot-to-select-a-bagel-gif-21784567

[deep copper]

it looks like a car

a pokeball

[left granite]

@placid arch

[timber viper]

lmao

[timber viper]

I got Emilia on the first try 🥳

[placid arch]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pom-weeb-cheer-gif-14967084

[deep copper]

👁️ really, that's quite a coincidence

[placid arch]

https://tenor.com/view/sean-kingston-somebody-call-911-gif-24211754

[timber viper]

@ionic flame

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-morphin-gun-shoot-weapon-gif-13537279

what is waifu

[placid arch]

https://tenor.com/view/pixelplace-gif-24586548

[left granite]

get your ass out of here roly

[placid arch]

https://tenor.com/view/peasant-rich-go-away-gif-13995921

[left granite]

well thats a coincidence

[signal citrus]

"Waifu” is racist and misogynist!
That said, the root of the racism complaint assumes that because “waifu” in Engrish for “wife”, clearly this is a racial stereotype of Japanese people. After all, Japanese people don't use the term “waifu” for the most part.

[left granite]

@placid arch i love you

[broken sigil]

Don't watch anime so no clue who that is lol

[left granite]

same

[deep copper]

the name will probably lead to something

[left granite]

that sounds cool
why is that racist ?

[deep copper]

because it's engrish not English

engrish is basically "how japanese would say English words"

[signal citrus]

People use the word to describe asian people sometimes, that and things like calling someone a "anime girl" etc, is very racist

but yeah the word itself is mocking and tries to objectify people or at least fictional ones

[left granite]

yep ok thats racist

plus i am asian

[signal citrus]

agreed

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/OKdAe2N.gif

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/racist-point-smile-gif-16693098

[knotty skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[foggy path]

waifu is racist? smh

[mossy nexus]

if anything surely it's sexist? Describing every female as a wife?

[deep copper]

and the fact that screenshoting will make them your waifu

[mossy nexus]

that sounds slightly stalkerish 😄

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-exiting-uncomfortable-leaving-now-gif-14492345

[foggy path]

I think the whole "x is my waifu" etc. thing is dumb but I don't really know if the word has much actual meaning beyond meming :P I'm pretty sure I've seen the my waifu phrase used even in japanese probably as a result of english speakers meming it so much

[timber viper]

There are people really obsessed over their 'waifu's 😂

[foggy path]

as in literally writing it out as "mai waifu" which is not a phrase you'd use in japanese

[deep copper]

i am certain it wasn't intended to be offensive at all

[deep copper]

it was just a cute sounding term, i am sure

[foggy path]

Yeah

[broken sigil]

I would have to agree with that

[deep copper]

wait i just realised the implication here lol

[quasi mantle]

It is something that a certified loser weeb would write

||like YandereDev||

||"Mai Waifu" is one of the many (cardboard cutout) NPC names in Yandere Simulator, and also one of the major made up name in YandereDev backstory||

[foggy path]

haha

I'm not really familiar with that person but it seems a lot of people are just salty that he got some amount of success with such a shoddy project

[quasi mantle]

Well, let's just say he's an incompetent developer.

Capable? Probably. Competent? No.

[deep copper]

what's that about

sounds dark

[quasi mantle]

I'm sure one competent developer can remake the game, without any unnecessary bloats and junks, in a week or two with UE4

[quasi mantle]

It's just plain edgy and remnant of early 2010s weeaboo scene.

[deep copper]

i see, that does sounds like it would attract loads of players

but something major devs would avoid

[quasi mantle]

Oh, I assure you, it is. Got its peak circa 2015 or so, Markiplier plays it, then everybody plays it.

Recipe for success, but wasted by incompetency

The thing is that the game is unfinished for as long as GTA V came out in PS3 and Xbox 360

[timber viper]

Last time I checked (3 years ago) dev was looking for 'experienced' unity devs 😄

There was a sentence "please dont message unless you are really experienced developer, I really need an experienced one" or smh

[quasi mantle]

Wonder if he's going to dump them again like last time he dumped tinyBuild guys

[timber viper]

Wasnt aware something like that happened

Poor tinyBuild 😦

They seem to be nice guys

[deep copper]

unfinished as well?

[fleet tangle]

Talking of weebs, I wrote a chrome extension to hide shows I don't watch on the crunchyroll release calendar. I may have a problem.

[quasi mantle]

So story short, tinyBuild approached him to assist development, it was probably circa 2017, and it's rumoured that he dumped tinyBuild because their programmers want to rewrite his messy game code.

[quasi mantle]

Unfinished for 8 years and still is.

[deep copper]

this sounds like a luck thing to me, someone got an idea and tried executing it without much skill, but their marketing succeeded

[timber viper]

Basically the same. he could understand the code, the programmer making useless changes, etc. In his eyes, the programmer came, made a ruckus in his code and left. An example he gives is the programmer changing, for example, (foo == false) to (!foo).

Thats what they say in Reddit

[deep copper]

he sure has a bad attitude

[quasi mantle]

It kinda is. The whole thing started as 4chan banter

[timber viper]

But man, providing a programmer to fix your messy code is a bless

He should have appreciate it

I'm scared of other programmers dont want to work with my messy code

[deep copper]

he probably thought they will steal his spotlight

or something

sounds paranoid

well they did make that game so i can understand their personality roughly

[deep copper]

and because of this this

[quasi mantle]

Over paranoid, perhaps.

The whole game is a mess nowadays. Lots of feature creep bloat, still unreasonable performance, and more mess. I've been following how the messy affair unfold in almost real time lol. Including shutting down fan projects that are more competently made.

[deep copper]

they deserve the hate

[foggy path]

do they?

[timber viper]

Watching this video makes me laugh now: https://youtu.be/QlrXMgi8Fqo (Announcing a partnership with tinyBuild)

[foggy path]

it sounds like an incompetently managed project so I don't really know if someone deserves hate for that :P

[cursive crypt]

I want one for blocking search results (websites) on google say.

[deep copper]

i believe they shouldn't have blown up at that stage, it probably got to their heads, which is why they deserve the hate, they didn't try understanding what they got to and fix it, they had time from what i can see, 8 years

you can say the hate is "justified" if not "deserved"

[foggy path]

Why do they deserve the hate? That's what I don't get

Have they been behaving like a total scumbag?

[deep copper]

from the tinyBuild deal, i think so?

[quasi mantle]

Sort of.
It goes beyond incompetent management. He directly mistreat some of his fans, and guilt tripping other more competent fan made project programmers to halt their endeavours.

[foggy path]

Based on what I heard so far it just sounds like incompetence which is understandable in this context, I don't think they were a professional developer

[quasi mantle]

He was (and maybe still is) a scumbag

[timber viper]

I dont know much further, but dumping a publisher who provides you a programmer to fix your messy code deserves a hate. It's a bless many publisher wont offer

[foggy path]

the tinyBuild deal sounds like just a bad business dealing which doesn't automatically mean something nasty happened

considering the amount of hate he gets it seems 100% disproportionate to anything I've ever heard him do

like yeah saying he's a bad developer is probably warranted, but people are acting like he's Donald Trump jr. lol

I've never really looked at the game so I don't really know anything about it other than what I've heard

[deep copper]

i think he got too much attention, so any tint mistake is amplified, so is any tiny good thing

tiny*

[foggy path]

It just doesn't sit right with me that someone gets hate over their pet project not fulfilling the hopes and dreams of a bunch of weebs lol

[quasi mantle]

To be fair, YandereDev drama is like a thicc layer of onion, it's hard to assess in hindsight, and I've been following it almost in real time. I know the game since the Big Three plays it on YouTube the first time

[deep copper]

they could have handed over the project, to more better dev, they didn't, that's why the hate

[foggy path]

Why should he have done that? It's his project

You don't get to tell him what to do

[deep copper]

if it's a pet project, treat it like one, give it to better people, and don't stop fan made projects

[quasi mantle]

It's beyond that, but maybe a bit too defocused to talk about here

[deep copper]

they are trying to monopolise something they couldn't handle, i feel like that's the issue

[foggy path]

It's his project and if others are using his assets in their fan projects, he is fully within his rights to shut them down

[quasi mantle]

Except majority of the fan project use original assets.

[foggy path]

Well if he managed to shut them down there must have been something wrong with them from a legal perspective

[quasi mantle]

Most of them are just the same vanilla gameplay loop, without the bloat.

And no, this does not involve law affair whatsoever.

[foggy path]

I'm not quite sure how he shut them down then

[cursive crypt]

EULA

[quasi mantle]

Simple.

Guilt tripping them on DMs.

[foggy path]

without knowing the details ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi mantle]

And not even in the lawful ways

[cursive crypt]

Frankly, if you own a project, you should be able do whatever you want with it. Including banning everyone else from accessing it.

[foggy path]

Exactly

[timber viper]

But if you agreed with a publisher and if they wasted 31k$ for you, if you do such thing like that you should pay that money back 🤷‍♂️

[foggy path]

That's a contract issue

If they had such a contract that no stipulation existed for breaking it then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi mantle]

I personally don't care if one wanted to justify YandereDev, even though I'm inclined to think he's a prime exemplar of shitty indie developer

[timber viper]

I know, that's what tinyBuild's mistake was I guess

[quasi mantle]

And again, tinyBuild failing is not the catalyst of the general backlash

[cursive crypt]

Sidenote: I have no clue who are these people, lol

[quasi mantle]

Public perception is relatively fine even after that.

[foggy path]

it's just the general idea that people are so freaking entitled to these kinds of projects

you can see it in a lot of indie game communities

I think there's probably some kind of corollary to parasocial relationships there

[quasi mantle]

And then he should have the opportunity to hire full time the programmers of the more competent fanmade games instead of guilt tripping them.

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/its-complicated-ron-howard-68whiskey-complex-tricky-gif-16448733

[quasi mantle]

And I do acknowledge the whole backlash is difficult to draw conclusion in hindsight observing.

[foggy path]

I've noticed a similar thing with this guy Radex who posts my summer car mod videos... people go into the MSC discord and talk shit about him and then you're like.. why are you talking shit about him? "Well he's an asshole"... then you try to figure out why he's an asshole and it's basically because they just don't like the videos he posts

[quasi mantle]

But if I had to summarise it in few word:

Incompetencies, mismanagement, and terrible public relation

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/face-time-cat-william-funny-cat-gif-19476811

Time for a cat.

[quasi mantle]

Oh yea, forgot to open some whiskas for Molly

[cursive crypt]

You have one?

[quasi mantle]

I have a smol white female cat, picked her up since she's a tiny kitten

[tulip orbit]

Hmm. Anybody taken this? https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2022/

[cursive crypt]

Aww... Cat tax please.

[tulip orbit]

Debating, or just diving into godot (feel like making a 2d game)

[cursive crypt]

hmm... let see

Wait... you are not a programmer?

[tulip orbit]

not really no. Was an electrician. now I stock shelves at a hardware store 😄

game dev has just been a hobby

[deep copper]

are you eating anything better now?

[tulip orbit]

sometimes!

[deep copper]

nice!

[cursive crypt]

Aah... I see.

Well, a generic course will be certainly helpful then.

If you consider 2d tho, and you don't feel UE, godot seems about nice.

But why not directly learning godot instead?

[deep copper]

i feel like godot has some decent enough guides

or docs