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cursive crypt
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FarCry 5, didn't felt repetitive to me ๐Ÿค”

oblique cloak
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Every farcry is the same story line

cursive crypt
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In fact, it was a good game.

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It was my first.

oblique cloak
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Oh well in that case you are golden!

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lol

cursive crypt
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Hmm... we will see. I kinda like that style of play. Its fun.

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Open world, fun, stories,

oblique cloak
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I play skyrim from here to there. it has over 800 gigs of mods and crashes all the time hah

median wraith
timber viper
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Both repetitive imo

fluid bloom
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the ubisoftitis is strong in far cry games these days

cursive crypt
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mm... I can't compare with anything. Was my first as I said above.

timber viper
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Ah, didnt read that sorry

cursive crypt
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Skyrim, imma fan too, so there is that.

median wraith
oblique cloak
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With microsoft having bethesta and activision i bet have the wow squad is working on the next elder scrolls with them.

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i cant freaking wait. the game is going to be the best game for the next 10 years.

timber viper
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I wouldnt appreciate another studio joining my development process when I'm already at the half of it, because similar situations caused some issues with big AAA titles before

verbal junco
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I remember positively exactly 2 encounters from far cry 5, the rest were at a point of being infuriating

median wraith
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Skyrim was nice to explore

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but repetitive to me ?

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no the world but the history

verbal junco
oblique cloak
cursive crypt
timber viper
cursive crypt
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I liked it the first 2-3 times to watch them, but after that, it was not about the story, but to seed chaos around i.e. having fun.

median wraith
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Fallout New Vegas never worked for me

oblique cloak
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I honestly cant wait for this!!

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Welcome to the sixth episode of our developer video series! We've been working non-stop since our last major update video, and we're excited to show you what we've been up to. A big "thank you" those who have been following us over the years, and a warm welcome to those who are just finding out about the project!

Please visit our website and jo...

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median wraith
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at the very start always a monster kill the lady of the tutorial

oblique cloak
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Morrowind was a classic i played for years as a kid

cursive crypt
verbal junco
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morrowind was nice but strange

fluid bloom
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yup

timber viper
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I'm too young for Oblivion but played New Vegas quite too much at the time

fluid bloom
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fallout 3 and new vegas always looked super dated

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the fact that a game released in 2010 didn't have realtime shadows at all was baffling

cursive crypt
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Morrowind was the first open world RPG I enjoyed I think ๐Ÿค”

timber viper
verbal junco
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oblivion was nice except every 200m there would be another effing oblivion gate

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and of course the hero of kvatch memes

timber viper
oblique cloak
cursive crypt
verbal junco
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anyway if you're talking about new vegas you should really play the dead money dlc

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it's awesome and well beyond what the original game did

cursive crypt
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Aah... I know it. Was good.

timber viper
cursive crypt
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Mod authors...

oblique cloak
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it was amazing!

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it felt so engaging

timber viper
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Is that just oblivion map or also quests somehow migrated to Skyrim?

verbal junco
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pretty sure it's the entire package

median wraith
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recently I played some game that you are a flying ball from the microsoft store and you go across strange worlds, someone played that ?

oblique cloak
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The team that makes the mods like this revamp everything from modular assets, decals, quests, everything is subject to change

verbal junco
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to be fair the base resources available in skyrim would probably cover a good amount of the content they would need to make for oblivion

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so it's just about either remaking the quests or porting them over verbatim

oblique cloak
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last video i am posting sorry to flood the feed

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Here is a first look at one of the many quests that you will be able to play through in our fan-made Oblivion remaster. SKYBLIVION will feature remade environments and quests but as you can see will still look and feel familiar. If you have not yet watched our latest DEV Diary in full we highly suggest you do so for more sneakpeaks, updates and ...

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that video shows the changes to the game

verbal junco
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changes:

  • snow removed
oblique cloak
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lmao

deep copper
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that's quite a lit ๐Ÿ”ฅ update

oblique cloak
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they took the beta down from nexus ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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oh well

cursive crypt
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reasons

oblique cloak
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I'm convinced a bunch of you guys in this discord will make amazing games someday

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LOL facebook memories. It's hard to put in my head 9 years ago There was xbox 360 and ps3, and blockbuster was still around.

verbal junco
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maybe some of us already have ๐Ÿค”

oblique cloak
timber viper
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I never was a console guy ๐Ÿฅฒ

mossy nexus
knotty skiff
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Merca empire but fixed

oblique cloak
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Those eyes got me all creeped out lol

knotty skiff
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They took over Argentina and Chile

knotty skiff
scarlet cedar
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whos keen?

plain meteor
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I prefer not keep the "Nexus Wars" name because it's also a popular starcraft mod

cursive crypt
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wth is going on ๐Ÿค”

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You think?

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Hmm...

zinc matrix
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pretty nice pack

quasi mantle
median wraith
median wraith
mossy nexus
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Doesn't strike me as being specifically European.

plain meteor
median wraith
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people get money from these gamemodes ? @plain meteor

plain meteor
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It's a bit more than a mod, but yeah for this game jam the price was actually really high

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there was some sort of preselection for this one too

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they ended up giving a bit more to second / third I think, I don't remember very well...

median wraith
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well the first is nice

plain meteor
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Yes

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We were 2 on this, and we won so pretty good for a month work...

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but a month long game jam is kind of too stressful

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at least for me XD

median wraith
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well 5k for a month of work for a team that was on constant pressure isn't a payoff

zinc matrix
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How do those teams work, are they pre made?

plain meteor
zinc matrix
plain meteor
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but working with a big team in a month, unless you know each other very well, it's difficult

zinc matrix
median wraith
plain meteor
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Many game jam don't even have a reward, but usually they are shorter

zinc matrix
plain meteor
plain meteor
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the Game Jam can kickstart some project / teams

median wraith
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well that's cool

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idk whats the average income from Roblox and Core

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like Roblox have a bigger amount of players but all the games looks like mobile replicas

plain meteor
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Core is still kind of new, Roblox it's crazy....

median wraith
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no idea whats the split or exposure of people

plain meteor
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I don't understand how roblox games make so much money

median wraith
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kids with credit cards

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grinding

plain meteor
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yeah it's so strange, they go into roblox cause it's free but end up paying more than if they just buy actual good games

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well I never played roblox, but video I saw didn't make me want to try

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but yeah like you said, the trget is the kids...

median wraith
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what are good games ?

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People this days pay for skins to be cooler no because the games are good but because have friends exposure

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same thing for grinding progress

cursive crypt
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Exploiting players, gacha

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Or I dunno, maybe they mad to give money to begin with ๐Ÿค”

plain meteor
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yes roblox has a lot of grinding

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its kind of unhealthy for kid really

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gatcha and grind

cursive crypt
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But is their money, parents

median wraith
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well wealth kids always acted like that

mossy nexus
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Just waiting on whoever it was to magically appear and try to convince us all that roblox is the way forward for making money.. lots of money.. ๐Ÿ˜„

median wraith
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"I'm making good money now..."

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8โ‚ฌ per year

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I do remember when with 8โ‚ฌ you used to get food and that for a week

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now you have to decide if you invest that on 2 packs of single layered toilet paper or in the double sided one

mossy nexus
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double. no one like poop fingers

knotty skiff
oblique cloak
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I need another season of The Legend of Vox Machina..... NOW!!!!!!!

deep copper
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i really hope the wolf hoodie keeps ponk warm

median wraith
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that are parts you don't need from the roof

verbal junco
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what am I looking at

unreal ether
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I think it is potentially a roof

verbal junco
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fair enough

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seems to be shingled, too

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I guess thatched rooves aren't popular in finland

unreal ether
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Keen eye for observation I see

verbal junco
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I try

unreal ether
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Ohhh thats what they are

verbal junco
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I just learned that snow guards are a thing

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and apparently that they are not very durable

unreal ether
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I genuinely thought they were windscreen wipers for a second lmao

verbal junco
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same

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I was looking to see if the photo was taken inside of a car

unreal ether
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Always a bonus

verbal junco
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they seem quite efficient

deep copper
unreal ether
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Its just a snow mattress

deep copper
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doing yoga

left granite
deep copper
oblique cloak
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Grogu is not yoda or "baby yoda", this makes so much more sense...

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_<

deep copper
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huh, i wonder if being stuck in an avalanche is hot

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can't find anything about it, guess it's cold then

oblique cloak
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Does anyone know what I am talking about here, me and my friend and trying to figure what this was called. There was a separate card in the early 2000's that enhanced visual effects like fog, smoke, etc. Does anyone remember?

foggy path
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You're thinking of dedicated physx cards

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Before Nvidia bought it, it was a dedicated card you had to use

oblique cloak
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YES! this was it

mossy nexus
foggy path
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I don't think I know anyone who owned a PPU card

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it was a neat idea I guess, but it was pretty much just visual stuff in games like I recall Mirror's Edge had a feature where cloth hanging on things looked better with a physx card

deep copper
oblique cloak
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I had one but it blew up with a power surge back in the day, i was using it for cod4 and battlefield 2 (dont know if it made any difference always thought it did)

foggy path
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heh

deep copper
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was it rtx level costly or what

foggy path
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I guess in theory a game could utilize it to run its physics calculations in general for a higher framerate, but I don't know if any actually did that in practice since it would probably have made the physics implementation more complex for them to support both accelerated and non-accelerated physics

oblique cloak
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Here is a side by side comparison of the benchmark mode in the game Batman Arkham Asylum regarding PhysX support. On the left is how things look without PhysX and on the right with PhysX on and set to High. By using PhysX you actually get quite more realistic atmosphere and more creepier too while retaining high enough framerate for comfortable ...

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its LOUD use mute button

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Alright thanks tho ๐Ÿ™‚ This was killing me trying to think of what it was

foggy path
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Unless you make it in the empty lot where they dump all the snow in the city

deep copper
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that's a lot of planning but yeah safety first

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avalanche

verbal junco
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now to tell a cornice apart from a snow drift ๐Ÿค”

foggy path
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a corniche has four wheels and the spirit of ecstasy alex

night grove
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I'm not one to be claustrophobic, but that snow house makes me very uncomfortable

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The roof collapses and you run out of oxygen real quick

cursive crypt
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Rly? It is frequent around.

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Cornice

night grove
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Neat idea, but how do you make sure it doesn't collapse on you?

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I've been told avalanches are dangerous because when buried you run out of oxygen and die in a very short timeframe. Long before the cold can hurt you.

verbal junco
carmine frigate
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if a brick house collapses u get bricks on ur head

mossy nexus
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Avalanches can crush you, it doesn't take much snow to start pressing down really hard on you. I've had around 4 inches of snow on me and that was not very nice at all ๐Ÿ˜„

verbal junco
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bricks don't melt in summer though

ocean marten
night grove
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A properly built brick house shouldn't collapse if someone walks on the roof though.

carmine frigate
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shouldnt is the word there

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it has happened B4 and will happen again

ocean marten
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Iglos are cool

zinc matrix
verbal junco
carmine frigate
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some houses are made of cow dung

oblique cloak
# ocean marten

Imagine playing Minecraft VR and that thing just appears right in from of your eyes as you turn to the left.

zinc matrix
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you can cook with cow dung as your fuel

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let me find a picture of her

ocean marten
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Cow dung?

carmine frigate
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you can cook the cow

ocean marten
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Thats

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Nor going to be.pleasent

zinc matrix
carmine frigate
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bear grylls does it all the time

zinc matrix
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but you can find stuff about it on Youtube, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GnTFTfF5b94

We are still here, in the most rustic home, experiencing the simple village lifestyle.
An essential part of the day is cooking and here we are cooking with cow dung!
In this video, I will show how to cook with cow dung. Cow dung is an organic fertilizer, a natural cooking fuel. It gives your food a very nice smoky flavor and is the cheapest way ...

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ocean marten
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I'd rather build a house out of dirt....

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Than cow dung

zinc matrix
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they in a dry state work as a good fuel if you in the wild

carmine frigate
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ye i never understood why they wouldnt do that either

unreal ether
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"It gives your food a very nice smoky flavour"

ocean marten
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Even if it was the only thing available

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I wouldn't eat cow dung either

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I'd rather eat dirt

zinc matrix
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is used as burning fuel for you cooking pot

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lol

ocean marten
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Oh

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Ok

zinc matrix
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the only stuff you eat from cow dung is mushrooms

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and i advice to take care

ocean marten
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The shrooms

zinc matrix
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identify them first

ocean marten
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Watch out if they turn blue

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When cutting them

zinc matrix
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because some poisonous grow out of that too

ocean marten
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If it turns blue then it's poison

zinc matrix
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if it is blue you eat :}

ocean marten
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You will die

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Inside

zinc matrix
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blue color is psilocybin reacting with oxygen

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you want this stuff

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i think

ocean marten
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I'm pretty sure it's poison if it turns blue

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Lemme check real quik

carmine frigate
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i used shrooms a few times, its something else

unreal ether
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Smh its just mushroom blood

ocean marten
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shrooms

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mmm

grizzled rapids
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hey ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿฝ Iโ€™m also trying to find more informations about mmd animations and unreal workflow, I tried several methods but I canโ€™t any solutions atm ๐Ÿฅฒ so hard to get the motion + a fully textured character ๐Ÿคฏ

ocean marten
night grove
# ocean marten

How to tell the difference between poisonous and edible mushrooms? Poisonous mushrooms are rare... YOLO! Take a chance!

ocean marten
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Shrooms...

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why do i feel like thats going to be taken out of context and end up in the next Halo?

oblique cloak
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It saddens me that halo runs so poorly. Slipspace Engine should be disposed of.

ocean marten
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wdym

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Halo Infinite runs like a dream

oblique cloak
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I ran it with my dev pc and got only about 80 FPS yesterday.

ocean marten
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uhhh

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thats good...

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anything above 60 is good unless its capped

oblique cloak
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not for the overpriced specs i have.

ocean marten
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could just be frame limiting?

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so it maintains at 80?

oblique cloak
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Naw. any type of sync is off

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no reason why a ryzen 9 3900 xt, radeon 6900 xt, 128 gigs of memory and a 2 tb hd should run like that on a 360 htz monitor.

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guess i just dont have the CPU for it i had no idea its more cpu biased.

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I make sure they are unplugged ๐Ÿ™‚ I dont like my regular build its a netflix and file storage unit now. lol

mossy nexus
oblique cloak
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The only thing i can think of is the game does not like Hyperthreading. Ill try turning this off, next time I feel like gaming

ocean marten
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h

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๐Ÿ‘

verbal junco
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just to bring it back to the other discussion: you would think this is a nice drift:

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but you'd be wrong

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it's a cornice and a death trap

ocean marten
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๐Ÿ‘Ž โ›ท๏ธ
๐Ÿ•ณ๏ธ โฌœ

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death

mossy nexus
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This is also a cornice, not so much a death trap

verbal junco
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could be, if it falls on you

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just like a snow cornice ๐Ÿ˜Ž

mossy nexus
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If it was an old fashioned one, definitely. They were made out of plaster. Modern ones tend to be Styrofoam.

oblique cloak
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ะ”ะพะฑะฐะฒัŒั‚ะต Atomic Heart ะฒ ะฒะธัˆะปะธัั‚ ะฝะฐ Steam ๐Ÿ‘‰ https://store.steampowered.com/app/668580/Atomic_Heart/

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That looks good ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

unreal ether
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This is also a cornice, not deadly, but very disgusting

verbal junco
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this is a cornice pasty

unreal ether
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Also known as delicious

verbal junco
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yeah they're decent

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the best one I had was with green thai curry

unreal ether
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You ever had a traditional one?

verbal junco
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well at least they weren't made from lead or asbestos

unreal ether
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Theyre weird

mossy nexus
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No people were giants back in the day, over time we shrank. To hide this fact they painted and drew people as smaller.... ๐Ÿ˜„

deep copper
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ugh, so much happened, I don't think i have enough willpower to read everything here

verbal junco
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thanks apple, I didn't need to see this

deep copper
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looks like yeast budding but human

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i think that's what human centipede was about

brazen roost
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Hฤฑ guys. I just bought a hosting from Hostinger.com and i want to create my own blogging-portfolio website.

I don't have any experience on web development so i decided to use a CMS(Content Management System). But i don't know which one to use. I know wordpress is popular but i also know wordpress bugs, exploits etc are popular too.

I will only create content which includes texts, images, videos, etc. I care performance and security.
Which CMS i should use? All suggesstions are appreciated ๐Ÿ™‚

verbal junco
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no idea

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I've used wordpress before but I had to adjust it to fit what I needed to do

brazen roost
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I can listen you experience tho ๐Ÿ™‚
I never used any CMS before

verbal junco
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then you might as well just try whatever

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or ask in a forum specialized in web design perhaps

cursive crypt
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I kinda of shit on Gygabyte mobo, but today the bios wiped out even its configuration profiles. Almost one year after the purchase.

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(โ•ฏยฐโ–กยฐ๏ผ‰โ•ฏ๏ธต โ”ปโ”โ”ป

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Gonna have a talk with the store tomorrow.

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Ah, yeah, saw it recently.

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Yeah, I'm not so stupid not to expect it is a defective unit.

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However, combined with the miss of some features, its premium price and the fate striking exactly after the warranty - makes me boil.

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why you reset?

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ah

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Well, this at least they made easy for noobs. Just a bios setting, the mem overclocking.

brazen roost
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Thanks. I will consider that

cursive crypt
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No desire to squeeze more by hardware tweaks.

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Freaking QA

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Hmm... I wonder, if I change the mobo... I sense a lot of pain with software licenses and stuff.

mossy nexus
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if only the mobo, you shouldn't have any issues.

cursive crypt
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I dunno, you know, hardware IDs and etc.

verbal junco
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I've not had nvidia driver issues ever

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in fact the only gfx driver issues I ever had

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were with AMD

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checkmate, atheists

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geforce 4 was a while ago

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back in those days I couldn't afford geforce

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I had uhhh

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some off brand cards at the time

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first gfx I ever got was a voodoo 2

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I remember the pain of hooking it up to the graphics card itself

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at least it was AGP back then

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struggling to remember what I had between the voodoo and before I eventually got a geforce 5600 sometime in high school

foggy path
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I had a Riva TNT

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I like howthe nvidia drivers back then were called "detonator" lol

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I think they kept that naming into the geforce-line as well but eventually changed it

zinc matrix
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So how do you remain cognitively dissonant from world problems?

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I'm not criticizing you guys, I just genuinely want to know because I realize now I can't do jack to fix any of them

pearl compass
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music, headphones and an active idea.

zinc matrix
pearl compass
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The best thing we can do is continue to educate everyone and anyone you can as to the reality of reality and hopefully one day that mass will be enough to move the needle

foggy path
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I just avoid reading social media bs

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If you feel guilt about something, why not do something useful

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I have started donating money to charity because I can afford to do so, and I refuse to shop at a department store chain which is owned by a neonazi supporter :P

foggy path
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sure give me your paypal I'll send you five bucks

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lol

oblique cloak
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lol

foggy path
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I wonder who was it here that promised to send me a dollar if I turned off my windows 10 search bar

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like a paper money dollar

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he never did

oblique cloak
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I used to donate to myself on twitch and make myself tax except by writing it off on my taxes ๐Ÿ˜›

foggy path
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yeah he must have dropped out because it was too embarrassing to admit he forgot to send that dollar to me

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@oblique cloak that probably ended up being a net loss

oblique cloak
foggy path
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you donate 5 bucks, twitch takes a cut, and your tax write off is from your taxable income, not your total tax, so even if you wrote off 5 bucks, in reality you probably actually gained nothing

oblique cloak
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Was with paypal and streamlabs

foggy path
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Ah, well there's a smaller loss from their cut then :D

oblique cloak
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they took like .05 cents on the dollar. prob changed by now

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this was like 4 years ago xD and it was on mixer

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mine?

foggy path
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ugh, control schemes are annoying

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the more features I add into my game the more my control scheme starts to get in the way

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it used to be left click to pick up, right click to drop and interact with some things (like opening boxes)

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but with more things you can interact with, it became a bit annoying to drop items because sometimes you might want to drop an item but you were pointing at something you can interact with

oblique cloak
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lets see your game!

foggy path
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so now interact is on E, and right click is just drop

oblique cloak
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post a video in show off i would love to see it

zinc matrix
foggy path
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once I finish this rant about controls

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:D

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but now I added a function to attach certain things to doors

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but to open a door.. you press E because you're interacting with it

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....but also to attach something, you press E... because it's an interaction

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so now if you hold an item you can attach to a door... you cannot open a door

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:D

oblique cloak
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I love knowing what every single people intentions are here ๐Ÿ™‚ we should be having people post everything in show off's daily

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@left granite why ping this guy?

foggy path
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also @oblique cloak just click on my profile, there's a link to my game's website which has a very very early trailer

oblique cloak
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those VOICE LINES!

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lmao

foggy path
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anyway I wonder how am I going to solve this... I'm probably going to need to add another button to deal with this open door/attach to door conundrum...

oblique cloak
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i wanna return this tape xD

foggy path
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yeah my friend Irving Force did those voices, he did a stellar job

oblique cloak
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very cool tho, interesting concept

foggy path
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yeah, hopefully we'll actually get it somewhat done one day, the scope might be a bit too ambitious

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we had some plans to scale back the open world side of it a bit and focus more on the actual store management/tycoon gameplay aspect, since we can always expand the world-aspect of the game later

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lol classic apex

oblique cloak
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i remember when kennys played cod2 in 2004

verbal junco
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I'm only here to evangelize super mario maker 2

zinc matrix
zinc matrix
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Seriously the people who make the hardest stages are downright diabolical

thorny dock
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thorny dock
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Mario maker 2 has been one of the best games, such incredible stuff has been made on there

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still a lifetime fan of "life of koopa", its still in the top 5 most popular lol

zinc matrix
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There's a difference between making a game challenging and just being sadistic

zinc matrix
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The laughing mouths that show up when you die only make it worse

thorny dock
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I think those are hilarious, search for "try to die", those are some fun ones lol

thorny dock
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I used to play impossible mario back in the day, I agree the hard levels are too much and I can't beat them today, but most of them are pretty short and can be beaten

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I'm the type of person to waste way too much time building the muscle memory to beat the easy-hard levels lol

verbal junco
thorny dock
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When I saw that my mind was truly blown

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Also because in mario maker, when things go off screen they don't tick/exist anymore

verbal junco
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well

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define offscreen

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it's x amount of blocks away from the screen

thorny dock
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Yeah that's right, not completely offscreen but there are x blocks

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And players are damn good at utilizing that space lol

verbal junco
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yea it's interesting see what people come up with

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I wish there was a web version of the editor

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but then I'd spend time on nothing else

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I gave a copy to my nephew for xmas, I can't wait for the horrendous BS he's going to show me the next time I see him

thorny dock
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Oh I've been there, you can expect to see a lot of kitty paws smacking the hell out of mario as he goes down the flag, followed by every single level mario being carried by conveyor belts to his death, as 100s of sound effects go "AHHHHHH, HELP ME, AHHHH HELP ME"

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It's always good fun though lol

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Yeah a web version of the editor would definitely be fun, but Nintendo would never do that, but man the kinds of things (and tools) people would make would be incredible

oblique cloak
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tbh seeing what people can create from custom levels and maps like this is inspiring to a game creator. Knowing what people want in reality compared to what is given by a industrial dev.

verbal junco
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yes those industrial devs don't know anything about what people want

oblique cloak
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that's because they never really played there games. "10 minutes in, YEAH THAT LOOKS GOOD!"

verbal junco
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obviously

oblique cloak
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the best was a cod4 video i got to find, really inspiring.

verbal junco
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they only make games, not play them

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all those years of experience shared between dev members all for nothing

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it means nothing when players know best

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in fact studios should just pick up regular people off the streets and make them game designers

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that way we would have some GOOD games, finally

oblique cloak
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this right here.

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so fucking inspiring.

verbal junco
verbal junco
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how is it already friday tomorrow

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I feel like the week just started

cursive crypt
verbal junco
mossy nexus
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Yours can't? Odd.

left granite
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my daily ping lol

left granite
scarlet cedar
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nothing quite hits the spot like coffee from 3 hours ago

deep copper
knotty skiff
timber viper
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lol

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welcome to AAA

last matrix
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I also blame Halo for covid

deep copper
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isn't halo another game?

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perhaps they set the standard high or something dunno

dusty hull
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Thereโ€™s so much more in unreal engine that you can do!!!!

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More then just games. You can make animations. Like for tv series. So much man

knotty skiff
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Yeah that's what Unreal Engine do

dusty hull
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@knotty skiff itโ€™s crazy!!!! I love it. I wanna make my own short films. Cartoons.

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@zinc matrix man Iโ€™m so excited ya know?

regal pecan
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EA's secret plan to repeat the mistakes of Battlefield V in a game with even less content was super successful... at putting egg on their face.

zinc matrix
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yooo, where did you get that smiley ๐Ÿ˜„

pearl pewter
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How did epic fit the whole fortnite map onto a mobile device? Is that built with โ€žchunksโ€œ that load and unload or how?

turbid spindleBOT
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:no_entry_sign: KillerZ#2279 was banned.

bronze axle
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Wow, what timing. Right when I clicked on #lounge to say hi.

knotty skiff
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HI!!

deep copper
timber viper
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Thalassophobia goes brrr on me with that game

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Couldnt even reach the main ship yet ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

cursive crypt
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fantastic, one month for repairing a mobo

left granite
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how does that even link ?

cursive crypt
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It wil be windy for UK

regal pecan
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Every game had to deal with covid. Only BF2042 underwhelmed. Not sure why they'd single out Halo as opposed to CoD:Warfare or every other game released over the entire last year that was better tan BF2042.

cursive crypt
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People concerned there are no video games due to covid? ๐Ÿค”

regal pecan
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EA executives concerned that they couldn't even beat Rainbow Six: Extraction.

cursive crypt
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Awww... poor AAA gamedevs

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Go figure what makes a good game, it is either money or amount of players ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

knotty skiff
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Man AAA Games are getting worse rn

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Valve, Epic, Bohemian, Capcom, Nintendo, and Sega our only hope

pearl elk
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Im concerned of no covid due to video games

knotty skiff
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DICE too

pearl elk
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AAA was always worse but shh dont tell anyone

deep glen
cursive crypt
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Would be nice, having a summary of the most interesting moments.

verbal junco
tulip orbit
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looks outside ...no storm here ๐Ÿ™‚

cursive crypt
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Call storm delivery services.

tulip orbit
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I'm ok with no storm

verbal junco
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there's the slightest rustle in the trees outside

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but I guess people are scared off by the rain

cursive crypt
deep glen
cursive crypt
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lol

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static trees tho

tulip orbit
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lazy devs!

cursive crypt
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Yeah, just give me an army of artists and money, trees will be flying.

verbal junco
pearl elk
cursive crypt
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Aah, yeah, was famous. Will do.

deep glen
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koooolalalalalalalala ftw

cursive crypt
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Wind DLC for $14.49

verbal junco
deep glen
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haha

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just use pivotpainter. done

cursive crypt
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Where 1h tutorial?

median wraith
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This reminds me I never finished the intro I had todo

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I don't even want to open the old project just in case ๐Ÿคฃ

median wraith
cursive crypt
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meh, can't roll well

median wraith
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@zinc matrix you should finish that game

verbal junco
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are you just in the business of making TLD clones??

deep copper
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tld?

verbal junco
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of course, the evidence is clear

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I was more referring to the UI, but the snow does help as well kappaross

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looks cool enough though

deep copper
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that's also a 2014 game, same as spooky's jumpscare mansion thing

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it doesn't looks scary, for a survival game

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So is there some game about explore and collect things that isn't an horror or survival game ?

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@zinc matrix you must know

knotty skiff
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Wait no

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Anemoiapolis?

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No wait

median wraith
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Technically the most equal could be the resources collection on RTS ones

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but

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I mean are survival but no that hardcore

knotty skiff
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Wait wait wait I think I know one

median wraith
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Epic gave that one for free ?

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or was some kinda alike

median wraith
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The most equal to what I'm looking maybe are the old school games arcade ones or platformers

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platformers have things to collect and are basically about explore and keep going

mossy nexus
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a survival based platformer?

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hmm

median wraith
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you work for EA ?

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fired

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Isn't there already survival based platformers ?

mossy nexus
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Pac-Man - it's a game where you listen to rave music, and collect pills, you do get chased by ghosts though so might not be what you're after ๐Ÿ˜„

knotty skiff
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Yeah but not the OTHER Pacman
||DONT||

quasi mantle
knotty skiff
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Sky Children of Light?

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Wait no

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No not that mobile game pacman

quasi mantle
knotty skiff
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the OTHER Pacman

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||that is CURSED||

quasi mantle
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Through the ๐Ÿ”ฅ and the ๐Ÿ”ฅ we carry on

median wraith
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For some reason never liked that game

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idk why

verbal junco
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hunting wabbits

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there's also that game by jon blow

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sure but it's got its fair share of exploration

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it's also artistically quite nice

deep glen
verbal junco
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which is not something I feel I can say about every game

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I'll give you the puzzles weren't exciting but I think the world is quite nice

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I think grimrock 2 hit a good spot between combat and puzzles personally

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combat, puzzle, exploration

knotty skiff
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Dear Esther?

verbal junco
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you?

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I do recall they were finnish

mossy nexus
deep glen
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only tried it a handful of times a few weeks ago, no problems

mossy nexus
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Perhaps their servers are really busy. I'll just leave the tab open all day ๐Ÿ˜„

deep copper
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such patience

verbal junco
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very wow

knotty skiff
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What an amazing people! Very patience!

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Gmod soft lamps
(no gmod+no photoshop+windows 9 only)

dense storm
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Slight breeze out

mossy nexus
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Aye, time to wear a jacket if going out methinks

carmine frigate
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or not go outside ๐Ÿ˜›

knotty skiff
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or an umbrella probably going to rain soon

carmine frigate
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umbrella is dangerous here atm

verbal junco
mossy nexus
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Ach.. a wee bit o rain n wind and these southerners act like it's the end of the world... ๐Ÿ˜„

verbal junco
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I read that in a scottish accent

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souferners* though

mossy nexus
knotty skiff
carmine frigate
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@mossy nexus i cant seem to drag the beginning and end to isolate a part of the vid

deep copper
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hey, atleast you tried your best

carmine frigate
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well guess ill extract the whole vid, gunna take 25 min

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its all gunna be so broken ๐Ÿ˜›

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multople ppl with camera jumps pans and zoom

deep copper
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sounds like you are stress testing it

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taking things to the limits

carmine frigate
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that should be step 2 tho ๐Ÿ˜›

deep copper
carmine frigate
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i tried set my monitor to lower res but it think i need to click exact 1 pixel

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mayB its broken on firefox

median wraith
carmine frigate
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he just works

verbal junco
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Jr. as well, so there's multi(ple) ray traces

carmine frigate
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ow the thing seems to work on that microsoft browser

knotty skiff
quasi mantle
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Raymond March Sr. is a British video game programmer. He is best known for inventing ray marching algorithm, living up to his name.

deep copper
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as a goose i think you can talk about ships now

dense storm
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strangest vape cotton i have ever seen

deep copper
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why do phobias have such complicated names

median wraith
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Technically level design means the 95% for games

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change my mind

verbal junco
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I can't, you're right

knotty skiff
quasi mantle
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Because phobia comes from Greek

verbal junco
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I do play those though

deep copper
quasi mantle
verbal junco
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I can't take KoF seriously

quasi mantle
verbal junco
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it's too edgy

deep copper
verbal junco
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everything is over the top in like the worst way possible

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the new one I'm just laughing at the memes

deep copper
knotty skiff
verbal junco
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fair enough, I haven't played them

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the glasses off/glasses on this is so bad it's hilarious

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but one thing they did get right was the ralph super

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it's over the top but actually hilarious

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and fitting the character

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I too want to make a fist that immediately transitions me to walking away from an explosion ๐Ÿ˜‚

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yea it's gratuitous

quasi mantle
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More flashy = graphically impressive

verbal junco
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SF really did well, I love their freeze frame animations

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accentuating everything correctly

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also not overdoing stuff like supers

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if you have more hits in a super, each hit feels less worth

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I quite enjoyed 5

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well 5 is the last one

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launch vs what it is now is much different

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statement

mossy nexus
verbal junco
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aye it's great entertainment

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it's much less unga bunga now

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more neutral heavy and footsies based

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which I enjoy

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fair

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that was SFxT?

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I believe?

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I think you'd love 5 then

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but it's nearing the end of its cycle sadly

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fair enough

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anyway definitely not as meme worthy as KoF

quasi mantle
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I heard SF5 is a bit too buggy

verbal junco
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no real bugs but people did complain about netcode and the decision to strongly favor rushdown, especially in early seasons

quasi mantle
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Emulators are illegal by law

verbal junco
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you've just alerted interpol and the cia

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๐Ÿ˜”

quasi mantle
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One made PS1 emulator and got clapped hard in court

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||(actually no, Bleem won against Sony, but went bankrupt from recouping lawsuit fees)||

quasi mantle
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||(actually emulators by itself are lawfully legal. It's just that the way people usually obtain the games are illegal, thus the synonymity)||

verbal junco
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I can't decide between ordering bastardized mexican or indian or pizza for dinner, help me out

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they're 3 separate things

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by bastardized I mean chimichangas

quasi mantle
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Kinda hate the stigma about emulators on their own being illegal tbh

FWIW they are basically clean room reverse engineering hardware inner workings into a software form.

verbal junco
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that's what I said ๐Ÿ˜‚

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good mexican places are few and far between here sadly

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(i'd kill for some tamales)

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if the oaxacan are with cheese I'd probably go for those kappa

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truth be told the times I've had tamales they've not said where the yare from

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although I'm not a fan of mole

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but I was thinking of the rajas con queso

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green

deep copper
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no idea what code words this convo is in

quasi mantle
deep copper
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ah, no wonder I couldn't follow

quasi mantle
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Can't follow shit either tbh
And I'm sleepy af

verbal junco
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or actually, the one I don't prefer is black

deep copper
quasi mantle
verbal junco
quasi mantle
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Insomnia, sort of

deep copper
quasi mantle
verbal junco
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classic

quasi mantle
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Or maybe I'm just so bored

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Gotta try tuning in to radio

deep copper
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right, a problematic one during sleep

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radio huh

quasi mantle
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Yes, FM radio.

deep copper
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it's been a while since i heard someone using it

quasi mantle
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I know some local radio stations that air radio dramas at night, should help my sleep a bit.

deep copper
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radio dramas? that's interesting

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it might work

zinc matrix
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lol

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remembered me when i was a kid; i set earbuds under the pillow at high volume, so i could hear while laid and went sleep hearing relationship advice and problems on the radio

deep copper
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that's neat, i never thought you could use earbuds that way

carmine frigate
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damn u guys are messed up

deep copper
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kiss me

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jk

zinc matrix
verbal junco
carmine frigate
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i had a book about atomic bingings and electron movement for when i couldnt sleep, that might be even worse

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also playboy

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did u know all matter is just clouds of nearly nothing

verbal junco
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if this channel was a stock chart it would be plummeting right now

carmine frigate
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and when u hurt ur hand on something hot u just got hit really hard by vibrating atoms

zinc matrix
deep copper
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incoming block in 3.. 2...

carmine frigate
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nah not really

zinc matrix
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!8ball should i get into a virtual relationship?

turbid spindleBOT
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@zinc matrix, :8ball: You may rely on it.

deep copper
torpid star
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your welcome

carmine frigate
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its only the building blocks for the universe, why would one care about those?

zinc matrix
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what is you locale?

carmine frigate
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lol

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if u have a thought.. that thought also exists in physical form

verbal junco
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not to freak you out but you have a skeleton inside of you

mossy nexus
carmine frigate
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energy just hasnt a lot of mass, it has some tho

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they be called electrons

mossy nexus
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energy itself has zero mass

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the effects you can observe from energy, well thats different

carmine frigate
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The electron has a mass that is approximately 1/1836 that of the proton.

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energy itself is a force

mossy nexus
carmine frigate
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wiki

mossy nexus
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lol

verbal junco
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yep, I ended up ordering indian to not offend the mexican gods of yore

carmine frigate
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not sure if the numbers are right, but im sure it has mass

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could grab a binas

verbal junco
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anyway mass only exists because of the higgs field so don't worry guys it's a false vacuum it's not real kappa

deep copper
verbal junco
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the citation is kappa

carmine frigate
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i applaud u ๐Ÿ˜›

mossy nexus
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Not as complicated as the holographic universe theorems though

deep copper
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fun fact: on Tuesday Goose say Tank (citing @ionic flame)

mossy nexus
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That's an electron, not a photon ๐Ÿ˜‰

deep copper
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and they already said the numbers can be wrong, so essentially, they just said "electrons have less mass than protons"

mossy nexus
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The original premise was that energy had mass

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That's why I mentioned the different methods to work out energy. Tis complicated.

carmine frigate
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yea electon and energy is not the same

deep copper
carmine frigate
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an electron has mass so it can have energy

verbal junco
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do we have any physicists here to tell us what is a shitpost and what isn't ๐Ÿค”

carmine frigate
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it costs energy to stop a moving electron

deep copper
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i am wondering what kind of physicist would be on a game making discord server

verbal junco
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my commiserations

carmine frigate
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ive seen physicists on history channel talk, degree doesnt say everything ๐Ÿ™‚

deep copper
verbal junco
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not as far as I know

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but my food just spanked me

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I thought I could handle my heat

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I got proven wrong

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who says I'm white ๐Ÿค”

carmine frigate
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i can handle spicy ๐Ÿ˜›

verbal junco
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I had the vindaloo from this place before and it wasn't super tough, but I tried this new dish and it battered me

deep copper
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huh

verbal junco
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but it was a war of attrition

carmine frigate
verbal junco
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my skin is a healthy, permanent olive color

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well I say healthy

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it might be jaundice

cursive crypt
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You are too abstract, I want to know the RGB distribution.

deep copper
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healthy as in "might look normal"

verbal junco
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it's not sickly yellow

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... yet

carmine frigate
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and subsurface profile

deep copper
cursive crypt
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You will get fired by a tech artist for such a value.

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It is not PBR

verbal junco
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back in the day it used to be the transparency alpha value

deep copper
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say the hex color

cursive crypt
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Pink tho. Not Blue.

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he orange

cursive crypt
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half life... that explains it. Pink is better imo, because it is kinda more rare.

deep copper
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he sad*?

verbal junco
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who is

deep copper
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you

verbal junco
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I'm always sad

deep copper
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your pfp cat is definitely, not okay

deep copper
verbal junco
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I'm not that kind of sad ๐Ÿ˜‚

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yes

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I've been trying

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or well I'm full now

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and my tongue is barely alive

deep copper
cursive crypt
#

Why is Pooh drinking beer? This is not for kids.

verbal junco
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completely NSFW with that beer

deep copper
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it's just kept there

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pooh may not be drunk

verbal junco
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nah jk, I've even been able to enjoy a drink during lunchbreaks here at work

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(not while working from home)

deep copper
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wait, no beer at home?

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i wonder if you are more productive with or without the beer

verbal junco
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are those tamales?!

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amaze

verbal junco
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or I should say it lessens the pain

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because my days its excruciating to write

deep copper
verbal junco
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is it about mexico?

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or is Coco short for Coconut... the coconut?

deep copper
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cocoa

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powder

verbal junco
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๐Ÿ˜ฉ

deep copper
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coco cola

verbal junco
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is that tradition dia de los muertes?

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right okay apologies

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I did not mean to offend

deep copper
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gucCE

verbal junco
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first poliCE and now this?

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that would never happen I am too niCE

deep copper
unreal ether
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Can we bring the topic back to a corniCE

astral star
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hi guys, anyone familiar with github to clear my doubts?

astral star
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oh, thanks

twin bison
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this is laughable

mossy nexus
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Why not, decent cars

foggy echo
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who gambles with stolen money xD

mossy nexus
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better than gambling with your own ๐Ÿ˜„

broken sigil
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In the last reliability survey in EU they were dead last on the list

broken sigil
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EU,damn you autocorrect

verbal junco
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are we talking about tesla or cars

broken sigil
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Cars

Also is it Mercedes or BMW that are doing subscriptions for heated seats, you pay for the hardware itself but you also have to pay the subscription to use it...

BMW is supposed to be a "premium" brand, every single person I know that drives a bmw regrets even buying it, just problems with the engine 1 after another

verbal junco
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wait WHAT

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I can't afford a car, but if I could afford a car I would not buy a car with a subscription service

zinc matrix
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whoever just dmed me asking to work on my game please send me another message

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i accidentally closed your dm

unreal ether
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I thought NFTs were stupid but the Adobe car sounds horrible

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don't give the blockchain engineers that are lurking here any ideas

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you will start a new age

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more like web stupid.0

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gotta bring out the big boy insults now

timber viper
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level design poliCE

fresh moon
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Man, today was a great evening with dad

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Basically i taught him how nodes in ue work

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Material and some character ones

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I may have used examples

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But atleast i gave some idea to understand

quasi mantle
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Yeah nah, I didn't bothered enough to wrote a sponsored segment script

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But maybe it would be cool if Unreal Online Learning has YouTube sponsors on videos remaking games wirh UE

fresh moon
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Unreal engine sensei costs like a lot

quasi mantle
night grove
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and cool swag!

quasi mantle
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Speaking of which, I can safely assume BP Ninja mystery swag is a lie ๐Ÿฐ

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It's been Februrary and I receive no tracking number

fresh moon
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What's OUL, never heard of it.

quasi mantle
fresh moon
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Oh that

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Nice

quasi mantle
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likely be delayed until January 2022

fresh moon
night grove
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Maybe the supply chain constraints were worse than they thought?

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Would be good to get an update though

quasi mantle
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Or maybe I am missing fine print that the swags only ship to US/Canada/EU somewhere?

night grove
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They be playing the "if we don't talk about it they will forget" game.

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I'm in US and haven't heard anything about the swag either

quasi mantle
night grove
left granite
pearl elk
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Its difficult enough to do international shipping all over without a pandemic

zinc matrix
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I have a friend who had a package of LEDs get stuck in a continuous loop

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It's not like a box of swag would instantly improve your life anyway (I think)

verbal junco
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I beg to differ, material gain is the only thing that can improve life ever kappa

left granite
knotty skiff
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is this real!??!?!!

zinc matrix
left granite
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when will lost ark come to the epic games ???

deep copper
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#lounge has been more #memes recently

knotty skiff
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Ememe?!?!?!

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Where is ti!!!!

deep copper
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but then people might mute that and then normal chats would become dead, all memes would get redirected to #memes channel

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it's life taking humour away from your daily life, and having a specific time segment for it

timber viper
deep copper
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like*

deep copper
timber viper
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It has always been

deep copper
timber viper
deep copper
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with occassional elvish

zinc matrix
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Do any of you guys plan on retiring early so you have more time to work on your game?

unborn lotus
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I plan on finishing my game so I can retire early ๐Ÿ˜†

cursive crypt
timber viper
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Since they are same things it does not matter

red pewter
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I've watched enough anime to pick up a word or two

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my dad does Japanese Duolingo so I always try to guess the answer

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I'm amazed they are using unreal for this instead of any other DCC

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I guess it's just convenient somehow

deep copper
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tfw when you can tell what they meant and the subtitles are wrong

cursive crypt
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Kind of useless knowledge, as I don't use it.

deep copper
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yet

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mitochondria is powerhouse of the cell

cursive crypt
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What?

deep copper
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trust me, it is the powerhouse

cursive crypt
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uh oh

deep copper
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i am not too sure about where it came from, but i used it here for "knowledge i know but i didn't use it yet"

cursive crypt
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Whatever flies in the ears of the listeners. I prefer songs without vocals usually.

deep copper
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but by saying it i did use it so idk

cursive crypt
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Definitely not that.

pearl elk
cursive crypt
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oooh

pearl elk
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someone ordered no vocals ๐Ÿ˜›

cursive crypt
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Mons... ๐Ÿ‘

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Tho, I admit, there was a time I thought youngsters are cringe, now I think it is fine. That's how it should be. Song up, good.

pearl elk
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I should probably go back to my proper name at some point so the noobs dont get confused lol

cursive crypt
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It is like one of these things only oldies know and nobody else actually cares, lmao

deep copper
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i always thought you were QuantumSourdough..

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i feel lied to

pearl elk
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back in my day ninja turtles didnt have noses

cursive crypt
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uhmm.. they have now? Let me check, lol

deep copper
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they have noses?

deep copper
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not sure what i was expecting

cursive crypt
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Mic is my guy, may actually watch a series from 21 century.

deep copper
bronze axle
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Hi lounge.

pearl elk
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21st century is overrated ๐Ÿ˜›

deep copper
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hello pfist

cursive crypt
bronze axle
pearl elk
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I gave it a 3.5 star rating on Google, 20th century I gave a 4 star

cursive crypt
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lol, you gotta drop more frequently around ๐Ÿ˜›

bronze axle
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Sorry, I've been busy building the new website and such.

pearl elk
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I saw on the weebsite theres a blog with some words

cursive crypt
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Otherwise, yeah, 21... hmm I remember a comic about 22 century, the earth was in rainbow colours and dry.

deep copper
bronze axle
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In other news, I just switched to Windows 11.

cursive crypt
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The Slackers site?

bronze axle
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Yes.

cursive crypt
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Dang... not fan of web deving. Are you doing this alone actually?

pearl elk
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we're like baby turtles atm and we're evolving into ninjas cuz of all the mask wearing

bronze axle
deep copper
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what weapon would you prefer?

pearl elk
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ddos is a weapon right? ๐Ÿ˜›

deep copper
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it can cause damage

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i think

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so it works, 21 century turtle weapons

pearl elk
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Id be like no more Dominos for you, zzzap

deep copper
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ha,

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that's chaotic

pearl elk
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imagine being Raph and having to cut your own pizza cuz youre a loner

deep copper
pearl elk
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I was tempted to sign up but I cant check my emails much at work, secure computer garbage ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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I do have access to the largest DB in straya tho so I guess it makes sense

deep copper
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straya?

pearl elk
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its a special country on the bottom of the world

deep copper
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never knew there was such a synonym for that

pearl elk
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we abbreviate everything here, words are too long

deep copper
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that's true, straya is also easier to read

pearl elk
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but then we'll stretch out the abbreviations for people we care about