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Eh. It's still fun.
Except I crash far too often. I think my cpu is overheating. π¦
Well, it stutters and then closes (not a crash, just exits)
Everything else is fine.
I've encountered overheating problems when compiling ue5 too, so I've got a new cooler on the way anyway.
titanfall 2 is/was amazing
sadly the multiplayer has died off pretty hard despite being one of the best multiplayers of its kind at the time. Grapple hook go brrrrrrrrrr
singleplayer still holds up
yep π¦
lol no
Only issue I've had with DL2 gameplay so far is that you can't repair weapons without installing new mods. Sucks.
Apex is what came out of initial designs for TF3, and unless it's super early preproduction I don't believe respawn has any teams left to be working on TF3.
iirc the decision to pivot to apex was partially because they didn't want to build TF3 on source again
Why they then decided to make a bigger game on source I have no clue
I just don't like source π¦
but hey, they do have a damn good iteration time for maps it seems
which is what source is still one of the best engines for
Needs more Tribes games.
wuts the best place to hire someone to add a specific feature to my game?
not in discord lol, i mean in general, but ill take a look
ah i see
pretty sure that was a euphemism for crunch
And I'd argue ME3 still had it. ME2 was an amazing game but made no sense from a story perspective, ME3 had issues (even aside from the ending) but it was more cohesive with the series as a whole.
ME2 took "saving the galaxy from the reapers" and said that sounds too hard, let's destroy one ship and save a few humans instead.
The whole arc of 1-3 was weird as shit
like, 2 should have happened before 1.
on the other hand, ME3 had some of the best music in the series.
leaving earth is my favorite track aside from m4 part 2 from ME1's credits.
that too
it's somewhat of an extension of leaving earth lol
I really want a full blown DX remaster one day... it's still an amazing game held back by clunkiness of the time it was developed. Same for SS1 and 2 but that's already happening for SS1 (if it isn't stuck in development hell)
system shock
well, more like a remake
it's been stuck in development hell for a while
I mean, the very short demo they released a while back played well enough.
but that's pretty much all we've seen for a long time.
Can someone pitch a system shock or deus ex game to arkane? They basically made system shock but with mimics instead of AI for prey. And dishonored is basically steampunk (whale oil punk?) punk deus ex.
dishonored 1 and deathloop even have 0451 references
actually i think prey does too
has anyone here played through prey?
arkane's? Or the original?
arkane
yeah, I did a few months ago actually
did u like it?
Yeah. If you're a fan of immersive sims it's great
noted, been meaning to give it another chance.
It feels like bioshock in space... which I guess is just system shock but it's more on the bioshock side of aesthetics.
system shock but newβ’οΈ
alien isolation is a game as well, not very system shocky but fun!
AI is mesmerizing at Alien Isolation
I'm bored.
Hi bored, I'm Joe.
obviously its a really good paper
I need music what should I listen to
!8ball What should Sky Of Japan listen to?
@onyx root, :8ball: Very doubtful.
Which genre?
that's pretty dope song there magic 8 ball.
I don't mind I suppose Blue Man.
anything that doesn't sound sugar
wait are we allowed to swear in this server?
we prefer it if you keep it to a minimum
ahh kk
LOL π
I can only recommend you rock/metal stuff π
Ahh that's what it's called.
one more time, Ieva's Polka was written by a couplet writer active in 1920-1930 by the name of Eino Kettunen. This performance was recorded in 1996. Language is Finnish.
I thought it was Switzerland national anthem.
NO WAY, Brendan Fraser is in this band.
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I really wish Benjamin Burnley wasnt scared of flying with planes and come to Turkey, I'd be glad to sell my liver to watch the band's show
Holy shit, you were right. This whole fight has been top tier!
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while I'm jamming this tune, and I'm keepin it true.
I savor the mood, til seven the morn
Got diamonds for souls, I'm a regular dude.
Some keepin quiet, while I'm starting a riot
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That's from my collection of normal music π
This guy's voice reminds me of something but idk what.
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I love this song
Hi Joe, I'm Bored the second.
how's it going, bored the second?
the only ones that have survived through time
everyone tagging epic employees is probably why none of them dare post here
In that server... I'm not surprised, lol
They weren't even tagged for anything besides jokes too XD
I'm starting to suspect myself having ADHD, not sure if I had to put away huge chunk of money just to arrange an appointment with psychiatrist.
Yeah
Even psychoanalysts (afaik) don't do that. They rely on their own psycho guy to do that.
what specs do you recommend for nanite, & lumen?
thanks
And also public docs. I guess it is mentioned.
Watch their Nanite & Lumen videos, its all said there and you get idea wtf is that.
Well, felt like I've been starting projects that I juggled myself, having some difficulty focusing on things, and kept forgetting them more often than I realise
Dunno if it's entirely on me, but I do remember having similar problems for decade, just not in the scale it is today.
It is good, you think to setup a visit. Leave it for them.
also they'll probably tell you that it's not a disorder unless it really starts interfering with your life
There's a lot of things that can affect how well you focus
It doesn't always boil down to mental conditions
But if you can talk to someone about what you're concerned with, go for it
It has been going on for so long, I recall having the same problems for a decade now, so I don't suspect it's some angsty teenager thing.
Don't hurry with conclusions. Can be simple nutritional deficiency.
hows doing the day people
Yeah they are removing covid restrictions here soon
Currently sitting at vax place waiting after my third shot lol
goodluck
where are you at ?
Finland
in my area removed the COVID Pass
because the vaccine do nothing anymore with the mutations
Well itβs not nothing itβs just less effective at preventing transmission
Well technically the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission
from what the studies said here
But was a nice dream to have at first
a different topic is that gives you replicas to help yourself
We had the most vaccine people amount at time before other countries also the most spread
It's trusted to save lives but would I trust it to prevent me getting the plague hmm
yeah correct
the best way to prevent transmission is to be programmer
like we don't leave the cave

antibiotics for 'the plague'
i don't think any game dev regardless of the field would leave the cave much
Well technically the people with one type of blood still less prone to get it, so maybe it's possible to mod something to repel it as the mosquitos ?
idk
i mean yeah, you modded a human to become a robo
as long as we don't have computer brain viruses
robots are made be people that still don't know the purpose of the appendix, idk man
good news, robots don't need an appendix
atleast it saves you from the current plague
the appendix is a left over from when it connected to another stomach.
doesn't guarantee your safety from other stuff tho, like moa said
Kinda like cows
manmade computer viruses that overload your brain with advertisements
gotta have some decent antivirus software for your head going
the anti virus update is the booster shot then
i wonder if it will be less painful
actually, as a robo i guess we can easily ignore pain
physical pain
i hope
Thought thats metaverse about π€
Yeah I don't know how effective it's at preventing transmission, I think it's not 0% since a vaccinated person would have a lower viral load which would in turn affect it... I just think it's good to be careful of saying things like "vaccine does nothing" because it still has a significant impact on reducing the chances of getting seriously ill :)
It's all magic.
!8ball does vaccine work
@deep copper, :8ball: Without a doubt.
there you go
!8ball are you vaccinated?
@zinc matrix, :8ball: Ask again later.
probably also waiting in some queue
We can't have manny getting computer viruses
dw manny is really strong
Yeah I saw him move a 15 tonne object just by walking into it
How do character-vehicle interactions work anyway, I can't figure it out
haha , on that note, manny can also fly
As in how do you prevent a character form affecting a physical object
I can make him grow 10 times every frame
the answer is again, probably magic
grow.. in what way?
no wonder manny can move heavy objects just by bumping into them
!8ball so manny, are you vaccinated?
@zinc matrix, :8ball: Without a doubt.
phew
@deep copper, :8ball: Don't count on it.
He's just humble
a lot, and strength is also relative, for manny, his standards are probably a lot high
Im wondering why there are so many freelancers from turkey here? I feel like everyone that dms me is from turkey.. π€£ Is that highly profitable because of the inflation or what?
i can think of one thing and that is, they are from turkey
someone knows a decent pixel art store ?
no, just in general
maybe because π¦ the bird claimed trademark/copyright on them idk
Yeah some kind of Erdogan thing to make him feel better about being a dictator
Yeah I just mean transmission, but yeah people can get it wrong, total true
did you get it already ?
i am not so knowledgeable about turkey, is erdogan weird?
he's basically a dictator, I don't know the specifics really but he's not doing so great
I don't think I had it... I had a kinda high fever for a while in december, but my home test was negative but tbh I don't trust myself 100% to have done the test correctly lol
if the symptoms were more obvious it would be a bit easier
yeah okay, looked up a bit, it seems economy is going down there because of him or something
Yeah, there's been a whole lot of news about stuff not going so great in there, but it just disappears into the background of other garbage going on so I don't really remember the specific details about it, just that I hope Turkey gets rid of him for my turkish friend's sake :P
i am sorry to hear about that, hope it gets better
btw here is some wonderful music https://homeandoffice.bandcamp.com/album/love-what-you-do
I love the midi/90s corporate stylings lol
Yeah, it's great!!
if you must listen to finnish music at least listen to something good and not loituma lol
When I hear music from the north, I hear something heavy and depressing.
Dimmu Borgir is not depressing 
I'm not a metal/rock fan, but even I think I know that name.
hey. Im wonder is there somewhere people who stream themselves working in UE can be found? Or is that not a thing?
haha, yeah they are probably one of the better known black metal groups :P
the north is just used to things that are depressing so it's just normal
haha, anyway cool ppl. literally
@nova crystal #share-your-stream probably
oh thanks
I can stream UE + some other tools I use, but I think it will look boring from outside π€
Finland has the highest metal bands per capita in the world lol
lol, TIL
Not surprised though.
puts headphones ... good topic, need my daily dose
Air Guitar World Championships too
A friend of mine is an air guitar world champion
The hell is air guitar? Playing w/o guitar, just in the air?
He won it in 1997 when he was 10... the competition probably was not as fierce back then as it is today lol
And yeah, air guitar is basically just pretend playing an invisible guitar
It's a pretty serious competition nowadays lol
..how does that work?
It's held in the city where I live
Well they play music of your choice in the background, and you go on stage and pretend to play a guitar
is it based on those metal stunts? like sliding and jumping or something
that makes sense i suppose, still not sure how you would judge that kind of competition
Yeah I'm not entirely sure how it's judged, I'd assume mainly on showmanship
and how well it plays with the song itself
Ye I was wondering if new users might find it interesting to look at experienced user making stuff in the UE. But im not sure if it will just be boring and confusing haha
i will definitely check out those musics and this video once i am done doing my daily tasks
it's probably some abstract form of judgement
I figured out after my saying, that... you know. It does not matter. Work & enjoy, if someone get hooked, that good too.
i remember watching Luos - Yoeri Vleer's particle making vids
it was quite fun, a few years ago ofc, and i found out some new tricks
And it can be useful too... Yesterday, I spent one hour trying to figure out why ue5 world partition is so broken. And that was just a prerequisites for what I wanted to try out, lol. Things get unexpected turns.
haha yeah
also, let's not forget, you learn how useful some hotkeys are
i remember watching people just popping up useful material nodes before, and then it just sped everything up a ton for me too
Yeah, it can be useful. However, I don't have the time to watch someone working, while I can do the same. Therefore, at best I do a quick consultation back/forth on a video at worst.
yeah, it's not so useful out of the learning phase,
Video at worst, I said, because it is not really the best information medium.
after that it's either forums or tiny vids or skimming longer ones
i remember watching ue4 yt video before on my phone and i was like "what is written there", it's all so small on some vids
ignoring obsolete features from old vids ofc
IdeaVim pls.
Tho, actually, they do support partial Vim and I remember underlying that to them π€
So, its not so bad.
Honestly, I'm not sure there is better general text editor out there. Even after... hmm... 10y+ I still get informed for some nice command, or some new (old) functionality.
IdeaVim works pretty well
That's what I'm using in Rider
Emacs isn't as good at text editing as vim is though, it's just very configurable in other ways lol
Oh, yeah, it would be better if it had a text editor (you know the joke)
Like... it is maybe more than 20 years ago, but in Vim you can just do gd or gD to jump to a local/global declaration of a var.
That so fast, I mean, compared to even modern Rider or whatever.
Rider has a shortcut for it too
Ofc, it lacks many other stuff too.
Probably not a huge difference in terms for speed
There is, but not because of that.
I like the text elements and motions support
I mean, Vim would be faster, because it is smaller and portable, nor so complex GUI.
eg. if I need to change function parameters I can just do ci(
which clears out the contents inside ( )
oh yea
Vim is life, I hope its legacy lives toward the future generation. Young ones should not be afraid and embrace its power.
Are you trying to learn both of these at the same time, lol?
Try it. I mean, I'm tired of jokes about vim, but mostly because they do it disservice to its benefits.
As any other tool, it is steep in the beginning. Especially ones which are.. out of the mainstream/corpo environment.
At least, for me, it was something which I experienced later with Z and Blender for example.
I like these three tools π π€ π€·ββοΈ
I think in general Vim is not that hard to start using, folks usually exaggerate it a lot
Basically all you need to know is press i to go into insert mode (to edit text) and esc to exit from insert mode :P
I guess :w to save
not the usual ctrl s?
I think ctrl-s might do something else in vim, don't remember off the top of my head lol
sounds like it doesn't follows the norm
not at all :D
might be why it's considered hard
yeah, but you only really need to know a few of those things I mentioned to use it... it's not much more useful than notepad at that basic level though, so learning more functionality is helpful
Yeah
in vim it's / :P
esc or ctrl + [ π
Yeah, f3 == /
i am sure someone would have made a keybindings file or something for it by now so others can use it
there are some things like that but they often kinda defeat the purpose of using vim a bit
it shouldn't be that hard after a few months anyway
There is WinVim or something along the lines. It is basically fancy notepad. However, there is a special "lever" you can pull and the curtain will fail π
GVim?
ah, is vim following any ergonomic style design?
although GVim is more or less a graphical wrapper for Vim with a menubar :P
Yah, but not gvim.exe, but one else. Some mode of it.
In what context?
maybe i didn't use it right, but i meant like, easier/faster for the hands
well yeah
it has a lot of very convenient text editing features and ways to navigate in files quickly
All of your fingers can stay on the keyboard, no need of keypad say.
In a typical editor for example if you want to delete a word, you would probably use the mouse cursor to select the word and hit backspace... in vim you can just type dw (delete, word)
then it makes sense, a few months of unusual keys would be worth it, I will just need to get out of my "subconsciously hitting ctrl s every 5 sec" habit
Vim usually keeps an active backup.
"active backup"?
Another interesting example, if you want to search for a symbol down the text, you press one button. If you want to search backwards, you press shift + that button.
"active" = usually up to date w/o doing manual saves.
it seems to have some oddly specific commands, probably a lot helpful once you get muscle memory for them
most of them are actually not that specific
for example, dw which deletes a word is a combination
you could also do d$ which deletes to end of line
or 2dd which deletes two lines
okay i will definitely try it out when i need a text editor of sorts next time
haha how is that not odfly specific
because it's a combination again :)
you can use numeric prefixes on many other commands too, and d is just the one for deleting
so 3dd deletes 3 lines?
okay so, dd deletes one line but takes cursor back to previous line or something?
and d$ keeps current line (with cursor) but empties it or something?
yeah, dd deletes the entire line always, but for $ only deletes to end of line from where you are currently
that IS oddly specific, but for some it feels like the editing or "typing" mode isn't always on
Yeah vim is a so-called "modal" editor
these commands work in "normal mode" in which you can't actually type regularly into the file
ah okay
in order to type text into the file you need to usually go into insert mode by pressing i while in normal mode, or doing a command which puts you into insert mode, such as cw which is "change" and "word" (it deletes a word and puts you in insert mode)
i am guessing there is another key prefix to make those work in typing mode then?
oh okay, i think i am starting to understand how it works, it seems useful for editing existing things with a lot of speed navigation
Yeah
sounds great for git stuff or just, complex projects you won't look at for years again or something
It's useful for any kind of text editing really :)
hmm, maybe for proof reading and editing documents as well, i will probably need to actually use it to figure out what all it's best at
I'd say it's worth trying. There's probably some reason why so many programmers like using Vim or Emacs :)
Aye, was going to say the same. It is not a coincidence, as you see it is weird at first.
If we gather, we may establish a #vim-lounge, I have to offer it to the mods.
lol
<_<
your recommendation has been noted i guess
quickly loading up is actually a very good feature that often goes unnoticed
people are less likely to open things that take long lol
No Code::Blocks faction? :(
what features does that give?
if you advertise it enough, i am sure people will join that cult as well
probably gives your files 9 lives
lmao
Of course, it has. For examle: https://github.com/kat0h/nyancat.vim
okay it seems vim actually does have it, but text only as per that doc bottom part as well
Nothing.
Nobody uses Code::Blocks anyway lol
Honestly I mention C::B just for shits and giggles.
okay so you were serious when you said nobody uses it i guess lol
Turbo Pascal lets go
borland c++ stable release 21 years ago
turbo pascal is still used it seems (something called free pascal had stable release in 2021 it seems), although initial release 39 years ago of turbo pascal
The only relatable use case I can see for Borland C++ is for retro programming (which C was more favourable back in the days anyway)
Well, there's still new PAS programs being written to this day.
ah i see
Borland has released three old versions of Turbo Pascal free of charge because of their historical interest: the original Turbo Pascal (now known as 1.0), and versions 3.02 and 5.5 for DOS.
and free pascal seems to be- Other suppliers have produced software development tools compatible with Turbo Pascal. The best-known areΒ Free PascalΒ andΒ Virtual Pascal.
An estimated 43% of banking systems and 95% of ATM swipes utilize COBOL code. intial release 63 years ago...
haha
it seems fortran is still extremely strong for scientific stuff, and used in many places, first appeared, 65 years ago
BASIC first appearance was 57 years ago, it's rather, new compared to rest it seems. BASIC continues to be widely used because it can be learned quickly, huh, really?
m2
My 2nd
i think i have tried BASIC before but I don't remember it being easy, again i probably wasn't even interested at that time so lol
Yeah, ancient programming languages are still in use for serious use case that needs to be conservative software/hardware wise.
But for general public use, it's either C/C++, or the new programming language kids talking about nowadays.
At some point, I was a friend with the general distributor of borland/delphi/pascal stuff. She always brought me some gifts - demo CDs of these π€
yeah, it seems fortran is also used in "number crunching" or supercomputer benchmark stuff, and weather /hurricane satellite etc things
ah that makes sense
Back then BASIC was the entry scripting language, but it's slow for more involving programs.
Thus, Assembly.
although that seems hard to understand, i would expect books and less copy pasting techniques of that time to make typing less seem better
I'm too old T.T
Assembly is almost bare to the metal programming, and to be fair, it kind of easier with vintage hardware, as smaller hardware real estate makes minute/precise operations a huge deal.
Compared to nowadays when C/C++ is considered low level enough in some extent
right... the things you do for speed
does assembly go beyond the stack?
assembly is the stack
coughs
my only basic experience ^^
Also Assembly program for one hardware isn't always compatible with another, even with same CPU.
I think we already talked about C vs C++ on certain embedded products π€
i remember someone who used C and their reason was to avoid OOP or classes or something style programming
Though early '80s Commodore hardware seem to be forward compatible by design IIRC
Then his go to language would be either one of those web languages or C#
keeping their logic contained and what not
i remember reading "everything gets converted to assembly code"
"on compile"*
or something
Also Laravel which is IMO a pathetic attempt at converting PHP into OOP, but I digress.
ms always liked blue huh
he used C, said C# didn't make much sense idk maybe just his comfort zone
i am very thankful to all the online resources so i can ctrl c v
Good old https://stackoverflow.com
haha yup
(but in context of UE4, I found SO to be rather useless)
for BP it's again the book thing even online
SO expects general purpose use case for the programming question, certainly UE C++ is too narrow for SO.
I'm not sure if that's the case π€
oh yeah, they often close those questions don't they?
Yes.
saying it won't be useful to others
Interesting
wait what?
Stack Overflow's mentality is rather weird to say the least. At most, it's discouraging to new users.
epic abandoned answerhub?
Sort of.
I have not used Stack Overflow since 2017, but somehow my rep just keeps going up at a constant pace lol
AH was forgotten about in eons past
epic boutta abandon ue4 too
what in the world, why would they do that
Now it's fully merged with the Forums
If only those were stonks
Thankfully URLs properly redirects, and search engine updates to the change.
at least it would have been vaguely useful there lol
you probably left a very helpful advice
Depends on timescale
Don't eat yellow snow
I guess so. I have 600 or so answers on there
Don't pee into the wind
Would suggest slow trend, which is good
phew
I wonder if John Skeet still uses SO
A SO user .. d'uh π
wise words
that's quite an amount
They might not be correct answers though
haha helping the other poor souls as well
He really likes SO to be still active lol
even though my last answer is from 2017 I only answered two questions in 2017, and one in 2015
all of my others are from before that :P
-.-
will the data from answerhub be migrated to the forum system? or is that knowledge lost?
who is that ?
They're already transferred to the forums as we speak.
is your SO account also 18 years old?
I doubt it
good thing it still exists in some form
I haven't spotted any missing/invalid redirects from Answerhub to the forums, might be less flawed than old vBulletin to Discourse migration
This goes worse and worse each year
that's a decent amount of time lol
my condolences
did something happen to the wiki as well now?
i missed a lot it seems lol
the wiki mirror is only hosted by other people now (they deleted the whole wiki, and after some shitstorm they at least provided a full backup of it, which people host now)
pink noises
... huh
I never thought I'd be the kind of person that's sitting eating olives straight up
i'm talking about the old one, apparently there's a new one?!
yet here we are
^^
for the record it's not enjoyable
people change, dw
10 olives is the limit
why 10?
doesn't fit more in his mouth
oh, 10 at once it is haha
now it is π
The Wiki is even less centralised smh
yea i've never used the new one
the amount I can get reasonably have before I get sick of them
Mathew Wadstein is my wiki
my bad for buying olives with stones
PC Chrome took up more RAM than largest open world games.
why did you buy them though? looked good?
save the stones for later
I can't imagine what background one should have so he was not eating olives like that before π«
I thought they were without stones
I remember times eating olives only, but also olives and bread. That was a meal. Nice, tasty olives...
I like olives
but like
with something else
there has to be balance
but since they have stones you can't just throw them into food
yes, cheese or salad works
Yeah, one must not forget about them later. However, I had used them in a pot too. It works.
puttanesca is one of my favorite dishes
π
Also it has a lot of salt.
true
@median wraith how so? literally 1.5k lights on Crysis for each level?
each Crysis level don't have than 500 lights for sure placed all around the world
I'm surprised you wouldn't know who Jon Skeet is
is even worst than what you think
as they use negative lights too @timber viper
to pretend there are shadows
At first glance looks like a terrible idea but it looks good on the game
I pity the lighting artist
well is what happened with LPV
Cryengine V don't have negative lights anymore
they changed the whole workflow
they get paid cash money for it
and I'm sure they are happy to do it
instead of pity, appreciate them, love them, they would feel a lot better
You can check Sniper Ghost Warrior 2 and how terrible shadows at levels are
oversaturated shadows due fake inverted lights
that are actually shadow lights
Aight lets change the statement then, I adore their work, pity their workflow π
haha yes
I'm actually first time hearing about negative/inverted lights
I'm always happy that I didn't go down the artist route
having to constantly be on top of your game and new tech while the floodgates for new artists are always open
and you often don't even understand how the tools work because of rumours or bad practices in circulation
all code is bad
Yeah how is this any different than programmers?
at the stage I'm at I can just pick up a new programming thing probably in a span of a week so ehh Β―_(γ)_/Β―
you don't have a new cpp to learn every year
Most of what I learned in college is worthless
just read #blueprint for a day, and you'll realize that most of the flood will go down the drain
all I learned in school was Visual Basic 6 and the teacher let me skip the classes because "you know more than I do" lol
That was highschool for me
good teacher
yeah
Except I got failed on a paper about PC repair because I didn't cite any sources
I think the only vaguely useful class was on binary math
but I think I forgot most of it by now
I'm like... B I AM THE SOURCE!
how else will they double check and make sure what you said was right
They teached html to us as 'programming language' lol
guess they brought the broken computer of their neighbor that they couldn't fix and wanted to know why
and it has a different issue than they thought it did
so it didn't work
How many of you get random people asking you to fix their computer when they learn you do dev work on a computer?
@timber viper I actually learned to make web pages in elementary school in like 1999 or so :P
I think we used Frontpage Express
:D
Uh.. at 1999 I dont think any school had computers in Turkey lol
heh
iirc some school wanted me to use frontpage, too
if that school was a company, they would be gone for long now
Welcome to the negative lights reality
Hunt Showdown uses decent oclusion in realtime finally
so they still have to use lights to fake bounces at some points but isn't this hardcore anymore
It looks like UE has a smooth workflow compared to others
the approach somehow makes sense
the bounces are there but ignored, which seems smart
did you still use abacuses?
lmao not sure, but cant say no π
step 1: never tell you do dev work
well at least you'll always have iskender
π
@median wraith wouldn't this approach also allow for day/night cycle?
yes but those are non destructive additions
nvm, moving light => moving shadows
you're not having to relearn maya because everyone decided to ditch 3ds max a year ago
I guess you have to learn new DirectX version everytime with a destructive additions, if you are a graphics programmer
There's a lot of tech stack to learn when you switch companies
Even if they use the same engine
sure
technically the problem of LPV is there are color bounces but it don't have proper occlusion
Because everyone does it differently
all I'm saying is
this is what artists do in the same company
year for year
people just go "oh photogrammetry is now a thing"
and now every artist has to do photogrammetry
π
also at least you get a decent salary as a progamer, that isn't guaranteed as an artist
!8ball Will I have to learn the upcoming C++23?
@onyx root, :8ball: Don't count on it.
nice
see
programming is izipizi
well it's izipizi after 10 grueling years of experience
maybe
anyway I'm technically not a programmer so I shouldn't talk π
oh yeah, once you have the basics down, programmers seem to be capable of grasping anyt other thing within weeks
it really depends on the programmer
I have had experiences speaking to a programmer about feature implementations that were like talking to a door
i recall one saying that, that they can" easily switch languages anytime they want" perhaps they were showing off or the switching was a hello world
that sounds, frustrating
no no, the word is infuriating
yeah, I didn't believe that "weeks" would make anyone advanced in something entirely different
that would mean only top 10 programmers would be programming everything in the world within seconds
I still dont quite get this after learning the basics
yeah I don't think for job security it's a good idea to have that as a thing, wait is that why people add most languages in their cv early on? to count the years?
tbf, it would be easy to trick people who aren't programmers into thinking you can do it
language barrier of this count is another problem...
we're all members of the tautology club
kind*
because we're all members of the tautology club
have you?
and all of them are wrong
sorry but rider is for kid
you tank
dragonHell wrote Rider obviously
xDDDDDDDDDDDDD
cpp has it's own memes?? i wonder if lounge has any
smol 32gb data tables
tautology in action
now lounge has it's own meme, nice
what I like about #cpp the most is that the level of bullshit detection is so high
any time someone is objectively wrong they are called out
I wish blueprint had the same
usually that happens
rip
some brave souls like authaer etc. help there
wouldn't it be a nightmare if bullshit wouldn't be called out?
if you can hang with those dudes you're alright
"dudes" in this case being the californian gender neutral interpretation
bEtterTryRider = true
sadly yes
it's also done in lounge, non lounge questions get shunned or redirected
yea, everything not c++ related belongs to #cpp
haha yeah
i identify as kid
well then rider is for you
have i mentioned that i use rider, and that you should try it?!
blue man also existed here a while back
fixed
well then, time to ask for help in #lounge, hopefully i get answered :D
that's some ms dos BASIC blue color
@timber viper 's meme game is on point as always π
you can be my dad <3
jk
wrong kink, wrong discord
lmao
ah yeah, windows bsod was also that color before win 10 right
did win10 change the bsod color?
it's the red green at 0 and blue at max color thing
it's more sky blue
and i heard win 11 is adding more variety but idk
I've never had it
xD
in 10
Wonder when are the blueprint ninja goodies arriving π€
Their email said they'd probably ship in january
who is blueprint ninja
it's what they used to create Ninja the famous fortnite
step 2 is to try rider and realize it's for kid
I know the basics;
here;
look;
step 3 is accept that becoming kid is the only viable option
step 4 is ignore what lorash says about rider
ooo they got you there @zinc matrix
step 5 profit
on a serious note though, what's the debugger thing about? does rider not have a way of debugging or what
which part of it? the breakpoint stuff?
It has worked pretty well for me so I guess some folks try to debug very strange things that it doesn't like
atleast not a bsod
@ionic flame lol do you remember this
jokes aside, it works fine for me too
compiling errors on the other hand aren't parsed in any nice fashion
ok, haven't experience on that
This variable has been optimized away
the mind boggling wtf in VS is the file/folder handling
it's like so fucky that I don't even want to use it
yea, your answer sounded like sheep class is a concept π
so how is rider for kid? is it
1# too easy and friendly for simple basic stuff that kids need it for? (maybe even making it harder for other complex things)
2# people in early stages of C++ use it then realise it's not enough and grow up?
3# you can't do everything with it? (like mspaint vs ps or something)
at least it's not std::sort::sort()
I think I might have caused it
Or at least I was there when it started, as I don't remember seeing it before that time lol
lol
I don't know if rider is for kid came up before this but at least this is the first time I saw it lol
haha
alright then
What is π ±οΈ ?
I asked for it to be made?
I was replying to this FYI
TIL, Lorash cares because I'm not blocked... yet.
I heard Allar left the server because he just had 300 blocked messages in every channel
I think I'm pretty safe because I'm not going to ask how to inherit ALandscape on tick.
well, he is not wrong with "rider is for kid"
it's for gamedev, for the inner kid in all of us
except for lorash, which suppressed his inner kid
real adult advice "ignore all the error's VS throws and keep going" π
if you're not having at least 100 messages blocked per message coming through are you even trying?
does blocking give any benefit in a big server? the way it works i don't think blocking actually has any value here
it does
I don't think I've blocked anyone on this server yet
HEY WHAT DOES ACCESSED NONE MEAN IT STILL WORKS BUT LOL
i blocked like 2-3 users which had an outstanding bad attitude
ah
π ±οΈ π΅
you can't even use a blueprint with errors, can you? (at least it throws a warning on game start...)
the blue in bp is red, i like how all blue becomes reddish here
i guess the blue didn't supress erros
errors*
You found me out.
BP_First
A fistful of blueprints.
i think that's not what lorash meant, but lets go with that^
thinking out of the box eh ben
Yes.
TL;DR use UE4 if you just start learning
Than you so much lorash
intial release, 49 years ago
π
Thats true. I will get to know the basics first
looks fun
Actually now that I think of it... that 2nd one looks more fun
Is there a "for noobs " chat?
Ow cool
This is my guy!
honestly, you get help in the other channels, too
Im allways gentle
Also rare is the patience exhibited by many on this server
As in, it is rare on other servers
Hi, i respect your opinion. But you will be able to judje my character as i go
Ive been making games since 2013. However i consider myself trash in cpp. And ive never even tried bp
what kind of games?
Im ready to kneel down and be respectfull to my "elders"
my advice is leave cpp aside for the beginning
get used with the engine in blueprint
then you can pick up cpp
I think the knights of #cpp hereby claim this channel in the name of @zinc matrix
Mobile. + an fps about to release free on steam
my cpp is terrible, but my control C controllV is master level
Yeah...
I dont like using my mouse to drag and connect dots. But if that is what a beginner should do then i shall do that
you can also write BPs in text
40% hotreload, 50% memes, and 10% cpp
No wayyyyyy. Omggggg
UE4 is designed with a blend of C++ and BP in mind. You aren't leveraging the engine properly if you don't use both.
i do by times
yea i recon its pretty terrible tho
%5 of cpp comes from GlassBeaver's unanswerable questions
As a developer / programmer, you cripple yourself if you refuse to learn BP
Cool.
GB is like the wizard, he moves seamlessly between the planes of cpp
You guys seem amazing
glassbeaver
Speaking of C++ IRL calls
sometimes during work hours π
welp I don't even have to connect to a VPN so my employer cannot trace anything. but I try to be nice 
I think I've gleaned insight from some of your comments
@zinc matrix ^
I made a BetterRandomStream based on SquirrelNoise based on some of @zinc matrix ramblings
My biggest problem is i left my pc in my college apartment. 1 hr away. So i wont be able to use ue4 or ue5 this month
if I am stuck in a deadend meeting I might as well be productive somehow
Ill just wait. Wait then spend my money on assets, and make a very basic first time game
paying for assets π
Oh no. My weakness is reading :^(
and don't overestimate the value of assets...
some people should pay you for using their garbage
But i can def read if required
photorealism is overrated
Depends. But mostly yeah
except they are from mathew wadstein
Oh no
but I've stolen many a free set off of Luos for "placeholder" vfx 
Why?
Sometimes the only documentation is from Youtube. Though you do need to learn to throw away their bad design used for the sake of teaching.
I watch videos at 2x speed because most the content is trash
I bought two udemy courses
twice the trash in half the time π
How else do you find the 1% that is useful and not documented elsewhere?
The official videos are great
Both from devs that i researched before
The only Udemy course I liked was the GAS one
One of the course makers made Grid
In and of itself, the course taught pretty poor design, but it was a good first exposure to all things UE
i got a yt addon that sped up things more, 4x was a decent speed, more than that makes it gibberish
I need this
16x or bust
Unity has a lot of spaghetti code support. Im hoping to learn propper code here on top of making cool games
check it on web browser addons, i forgot the name but speed yt changer or something should bring all the similar ones
If you look at my unity game. All pasta
This is where the 2x speed comes in my man
the learn vids are pretty good
They offer a few tidbits that are useful
But yeah the amount of fumbling in YT videos is embarassing
I tried to do videos once. The amount of time I spent on editing was INSANE
Actually twice I guess
sad thing is some people have gotten big youtube names out of putting out terrible tutorials
there are some official unreal videos which are gold imho
Also. When i finally get my hands on ue4 or 5. What will be something that will blow me away?
Learn how to make Diablo 2 in 10 days using Unity!
nothing
hopefully
That most people dont notice
Make your own Fortnite in 72 hours!
don't get swallowed up by the hype
i also found official vids slightly neat, the courses one they made, although it has redundant and often outdated info
.
the new version features livestream are usually allright aswell
My own fortnite? With will smith? Haha. Jokes asside, a multiplayer game would be cool to make
no
will will smith smith will smith?
how would you rate unreal sensei content quality?
Hmm. Why not?
will smith will smith will smith for sure
only seen one video of him, not sure what to think about it, as i had no clue about the topic he talked about
yea i allways quit the editor
Allways quit?
better safe than sorry
quit the editor, shut down your OS, wait 5 minutes, reboot and only then compile
this is why discord helps when yt can't, you learn from others recent and common mistakes
Im gonna get an ssd then. Not an hd for ue4 or 5
stay in any channel and you will start noticing a pattern
of common mistakes and difficulty
Cool
i have never seen one of those actually lol, specially with juicy info
π
maybe my luck isn't high enough
like "oh haha, that ensure wasn't supposed to be there but we can't fix that for 4.27, but it's fixed in 5.0"
also let's take a moment to talk about the EnsureProbability
i thought the convertin BP to c++ vid in learn was pretty good
even tho i allready used both still learned a bit
some of their old courses are pretty outdated now
watching their stream with my goldfish focus span is impossible, even at 4x
I don't understand twitch as a medium for teaching content
it's rather like coworking
The worst teaching content is when it is littered with mistakes and debugging
I streamed myself coding in VS/UE once for a laugh. Got like 20 people watching. They must have been bored as fuck.
And twitch as a platform makes it impossible to edit that out
@zinc matrix where was that ensure probability thing at?
pretty sure Lorash was the one that told me about it π
tldr ensure can have a built in probability
it skips breathing and other boring things, 4x makes it easier because you need to stay attentive and filter juicy things quickly
the rabbit hole never ends
ikr? i always wondered how that works
meanwhile someone out there coding ensures to trigger exactly 5.313% of the time
the true agent of chaos
idk but it's a good time to find out π
is it to late to ask what an ensure is?
too*
i am guessing a get random value call
it's a polite request telling you you have done something you shouldn't have
and that you should stop doing it
i am just guessing based on what was said xD, i have no idea what is being talked about really
yes
but why
and they say UE4's cpp is for baby π
yes
maybe that was added for some kind of random debugging purpose?
like if multiple ensures happen it wont fail on the first
yes
Ayyyy
it's the gift that keeps giving
I'm going to ask my team at work today to see if anyone has any guesses at what it could be for. None of them work with unreal so I'm sure they'll be horrified.
what's up!?!?!??!
memeing about some insanity in engine code
I wish I had this excuse π
No, I was memeing that comic
I mean, #cpp are on break while the code is compiling.
#memelogic
So true.
I have been compiling for two days, now I'm just slacking πͺ πΆββοΈ
Nice.
UE5 and 4.27.2
I loathe the 4th. the may maymay where they say may
πͺπ§ββοΈ
My memory has the dimension of a turtle, brb
maymays are hard to catch up with, go away for a few months and you are back to square one
I'm still trying to understand 2020 maymays
I just got that funeral procession song
i am still processing pog
Speechless. Is that rule 103: There is anime about anything?
everything*