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fleet tangle
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Well, some of it. There's a genre for everyone.

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Eh. It's still fun.

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Except I crash far too often. I think my cpu is overheating. 😦

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Well, it stutters and then closes (not a crash, just exits)

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Everything else is fine.

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I've encountered overheating problems when compiling ue5 too, so I've got a new cooler on the way anyway.

unreal cedar
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titanfall 2 is/was amazing

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sadly the multiplayer has died off pretty hard despite being one of the best multiplayers of its kind at the time. Grapple hook go brrrrrrrrrr

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singleplayer still holds up

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yep 😦

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lol no

fleet tangle
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Only issue I've had with DL2 gameplay so far is that you can't repair weapons without installing new mods. Sucks.

unreal cedar
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Apex is what came out of initial designs for TF3, and unless it's super early preproduction I don't believe respawn has any teams left to be working on TF3.

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iirc the decision to pivot to apex was partially because they didn't want to build TF3 on source again

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Why they then decided to make a bigger game on source I have no clue

fleet tangle
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I just don't like source 😦

unreal cedar
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but hey, they do have a damn good iteration time for maps it seems

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which is what source is still one of the best engines for

tribal cipher
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wuts the best place to hire someone to add a specific feature to my game?

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not in discord lol, i mean in general, but ill take a look

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ah i see

unreal cedar
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pretty sure that was a euphemism for crunch

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And I'd argue ME3 still had it. ME2 was an amazing game but made no sense from a story perspective, ME3 had issues (even aside from the ending) but it was more cohesive with the series as a whole.
ME2 took "saving the galaxy from the reapers" and said that sounds too hard, let's destroy one ship and save a few humans instead.

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The whole arc of 1-3 was weird as shit

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like, 2 should have happened before 1.

ocean parcel
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ugh, well i got locked out of my new phone lmao.

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just gonna give it back.

unreal cedar
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on the other hand, ME3 had some of the best music in the series.

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leaving earth is my favorite track aside from m4 part 2 from ME1's credits.

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that too

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it's somewhat of an extension of leaving earth lol

median wraith
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the 1 was a cool. game, will get this one one day

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never liked crysis myself

unreal cedar
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I really want a full blown DX remaster one day... it's still an amazing game held back by clunkiness of the time it was developed. Same for SS1 and 2 but that's already happening for SS1 (if it isn't stuck in development hell)

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system shock

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well, more like a remake

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it's been stuck in development hell for a while

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I mean, the very short demo they released a while back played well enough.

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but that's pretty much all we've seen for a long time.

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Can someone pitch a system shock or deus ex game to arkane? They basically made system shock but with mimics instead of AI for prey. And dishonored is basically steampunk (whale oil punk?) punk deus ex.

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dishonored 1 and deathloop even have 0451 references

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actually i think prey does too

torpid star
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has anyone here played through prey?

unreal cedar
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arkane's? Or the original?

torpid star
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arkane

unreal cedar
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yeah, I did a few months ago actually

torpid star
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did u like it?

unreal cedar
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Yeah. If you're a fan of immersive sims it's great

torpid star
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noted, been meaning to give it another chance.

unreal cedar
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It feels like bioshock in space... which I guess is just system shock but it's more on the bioshock side of aesthetics.

torpid star
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system shock but newℒ️

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alien isolation is a game as well, not very system shocky but fun!

median wraith
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alien isolation is really cool

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and nice graphics for the year

timber viper
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AI is mesmerizing at Alien Isolation

ocean parcel
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I'm bored.

inner marlin
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Hi bored, I'm Joe.

tulip orbit
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obviously its a really good paper

ocean parcel
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I need music what should I listen to

onyx root
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!8ball What should Sky Of Japan listen to?

turbid spindleBOT
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@onyx root, :8ball: Very doubtful.

broken sigil
ocean parcel
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that's pretty dope song there magic 8 ball.

ocean parcel
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anything that doesn't sound sugar

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wait are we allowed to swear in this server?

deep glen
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we prefer it if you keep it to a minimum

ocean parcel
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ahh kk

broken sigil
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LOL πŸ˜…

ocean parcel
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LOL WHAT

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i know this tune

broken sigil
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I can only recommend you rock/metal stuff πŸ˜†

ocean parcel
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Ahh that's what it's called.

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I thought it was Switzerland national anthem.

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NO WAY, Brendan Fraser is in this band.

timber viper
# ocean parcel I need music what should I listen to

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timber viper
fleet tangle
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Holy shit, you were right. This whole fight has been top tier!

broken sigil
# ocean parcel I need music what should I listen to

From the Album "The Electric Mist" by Metaform . Release 2010.

Lyrics

I'm counting the moons, while I'm thinking of you
while I'm jamming this tune, and I'm keepin it true.
I savor the mood, til seven the morn
Got diamonds for souls, I'm a regular dude.
Some keepin quiet, while I'm starting a riot
Just give me a reason, and it's gotta...

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That's from my collection of normal music πŸ˜…

ocean parcel
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fleet tangle
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I'm sure the animation will be very flashy.

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AoT is being fantastic too.

thick belfry
quasi mantle
deep copper
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how's it going, bored the second?

deep copper
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the only ones that have survived through time

verbal junco
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everyone tagging epic employees is probably why none of them dare post here

cursive crypt
zinc matrix
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They weren't even tagged for anything besides jokes too XD

quasi mantle
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I'm starting to suspect myself having ADHD, not sure if I had to put away huge chunk of money just to arrange an appointment with psychiatrist.

cursive crypt
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I guess, most ppl around can confirm your bias.

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Also, don't self diagnose, lol

zinc matrix
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Yeah

cursive crypt
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Even psychoanalysts (afaik) don't do that. They rely on their own psycho guy to do that.

hollow folio
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what specs do you recommend for nanite, & lumen?

hollow folio
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thanks

cursive crypt
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And also public docs. I guess it is mentioned.

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Watch their Nanite & Lumen videos, its all said there and you get idea wtf is that.

quasi mantle
# cursive crypt I guess, most ppl around can confirm your bias.

Well, felt like I've been starting projects that I juggled myself, having some difficulty focusing on things, and kept forgetting them more often than I realise

Dunno if it's entirely on me, but I do remember having similar problems for decade, just not in the scale it is today.

cursive crypt
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It is good, you think to setup a visit. Leave it for them.

verbal junco
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also they'll probably tell you that it's not a disorder unless it really starts interfering with your life

zinc matrix
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There's a lot of things that can affect how well you focus

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It doesn't always boil down to mental conditions

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But if you can talk to someone about what you're concerned with, go for it

quasi mantle
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It has been going on for so long, I recall having the same problems for a decade now, so I don't suspect it's some angsty teenager thing.

cursive crypt
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Don't hurry with conclusions. Can be simple nutritional deficiency.

median wraith
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hows doing the day people

foggy path
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Yeah they are removing covid restrictions here soon

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Currently sitting at vax place waiting after my third shot lol

deep copper
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goodluck

median wraith
foggy path
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Finland

median wraith
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in my area removed the COVID Pass

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because the vaccine do nothing anymore with the mutations

foggy path
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Well it’s not nothing it’s just less effective at preventing transmission

median wraith
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Well technically the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission

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from what the studies said here

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But was a nice dream to have at first

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a different topic is that gives you replicas to help yourself

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We had the most vaccine people amount at time before other countries also the most spread

zinc matrix
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It's trusted to save lives but would I trust it to prevent me getting the plague hmm

median wraith
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yeah correct

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the best way to prevent transmission is to be programmer

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like we don't leave the cave

deep copper
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i don't think any game dev regardless of the field would leave the cave much

median wraith
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idk

verbal junco
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transfer consciousness into robot bodies

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problem solved

deep copper
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i mean yeah, you modded a human to become a robo

mossy nexus
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as long as we don't have computer brain viruses

deep copper
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ha, imagine getting some adware

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do you get memory loss for ransomware ?

median wraith
verbal junco
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good news, robots don't need an appendix

deep copper
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atleast it saves you from the current plague

mossy nexus
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the appendix is a left over from when it connected to another stomach.

deep copper
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doesn't guarantee your safety from other stuff tho, like moa said

mossy nexus
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Kinda like cows

verbal junco
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gotta have some decent antivirus software for your head going

deep copper
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the anti virus update is the booster shot then

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i wonder if it will be less painful

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actually, as a robo i guess we can easily ignore pain

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physical pain

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i hope

cursive crypt
foggy path
# median wraith Well technically the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission

Yeah I don't know how effective it's at preventing transmission, I think it's not 0% since a vaccinated person would have a lower viral load which would in turn affect it... I just think it's good to be careful of saying things like "vaccine does nothing" because it still has a significant impact on reducing the chances of getting seriously ill :)

cursive crypt
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It's all magic.

deep copper
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!8ball does vaccine work

turbid spindleBOT
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@deep copper, :8ball: Without a doubt.

deep copper
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there you go

zinc matrix
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!8ball are you vaccinated?

turbid spindleBOT
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@zinc matrix, :8ball: Ask again later.

deep copper
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probably also waiting in some queue

zinc matrix
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We can't have manny getting computer viruses

deep copper
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dw manny is really strong

zinc matrix
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Yeah I saw him move a 15 tonne object just by walking into it

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How do character-vehicle interactions work anyway, I can't figure it out

deep copper
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haha , on that note, manny can also fly

zinc matrix
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As in how do you prevent a character form affecting a physical object

zinc matrix
deep copper
deep copper
zinc matrix
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What do you think

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On event tick get actor transform, multiply scale by 10

deep copper
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no wonder manny can move heavy objects just by bumping into them

zinc matrix
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!8ball so manny, are you vaccinated?

turbid spindleBOT
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@zinc matrix, :8ball: Without a doubt.

zinc matrix
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phew

deep copper
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the queue is over now i guess

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good for manny

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!8ball are you strong?

turbid spindleBOT
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@deep copper, :8ball: Don't count on it.

zinc matrix
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He's just humble

deep copper
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a lot, and strength is also relative, for manny, his standards are probably a lot high

pearl pewter
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Im wondering why there are so many freelancers from turkey here? I feel like everyone that dms me is from turkey.. 🀣 Is that highly profitable because of the inflation or what?

deep copper
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i can think of one thing and that is, they are from turkey

foggy path
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it's not turkey anymore, it's supposed to be called turkiye

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thanks Erogan

median wraith
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someone knows a decent pixel art store ?

foggy path
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no, just in general

deep copper
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maybe because πŸ¦ƒ the bird claimed trademark/copyright on them idk

foggy path
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Yeah some kind of Erdogan thing to make him feel better about being a dictator

median wraith
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did you get it already ?

deep copper
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i am not so knowledgeable about turkey, is erdogan weird?

foggy path
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he's basically a dictator, I don't know the specifics really but he's not doing so great

foggy path
# median wraith did you get it already ?

I don't think I had it... I had a kinda high fever for a while in december, but my home test was negative but tbh I don't trust myself 100% to have done the test correctly lol

deep copper
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if the symptoms were more obvious it would be a bit easier

median wraith
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wait but you was getting one today didn't you ?

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or I read it wrong

deep copper
foggy path
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Yeah, there's been a whole lot of news about stuff not going so great in there, but it just disappears into the background of other garbage going on so I don't really remember the specific details about it, just that I hope Turkey gets rid of him for my turkish friend's sake :P

deep copper
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i am sorry to hear about that, hope it gets better

foggy path
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I love the midi/90s corporate stylings lol

ocean parcel
foggy path
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if you must listen to finnish music at least listen to something good and not loituma lol

cursive crypt
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When I hear music from the north, I hear something heavy and depressing.

foggy path
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lol

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there's a few good not so depressing ones too

cursive crypt
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"few", "not so"... yeah

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I mean, I get it. I joke.

foggy path
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Dimmu Borgir is not depressing alex

cursive crypt
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I'm not a metal/rock fan, but even I think I know that name.

nova crystal
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hey. Im wonder is there somewhere people who stream themselves working in UE can be found? Or is that not a thing?

foggy path
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haha, yeah they are probably one of the better known black metal groups :P

verbal junco
cursive crypt
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haha, anyway cool ppl. literally

foggy path
nova crystal
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oh thanks

cursive crypt
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I can stream UE + some other tools I use, but I think it will look boring from outside πŸ€”

foggy path
cursive crypt
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lol, TIL

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Not surprised though.

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puts headphones ... good topic, need my daily dose

mossy nexus
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Air Guitar World Championships too

foggy path
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A friend of mine is an air guitar world champion

cursive crypt
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The hell is air guitar? Playing w/o guitar, just in the air?

foggy path
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He won it in 1997 when he was 10... the competition probably was not as fierce back then as it is today lol

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And yeah, air guitar is basically just pretend playing an invisible guitar

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It's a pretty serious competition nowadays lol

deep copper
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..how does that work?

foggy path
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It's held in the city where I live

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Well they play music of your choice in the background, and you go on stage and pretend to play a guitar

deep copper
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is it based on those metal stunts? like sliding and jumping or something

deep copper
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that makes sense i suppose, still not sure how you would judge that kind of competition

foggy path
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Yeah I'm not entirely sure how it's judged, I'd assume mainly on showmanship

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and how well it plays with the song itself

nova crystal
deep copper
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i will definitely check out those musics and this video once i am done doing my daily tasks

deep copper
cursive crypt
deep copper
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i remember watching Luos - Yoeri Vleer's particle making vids

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it was quite fun, a few years ago ofc, and i found out some new tricks

cursive crypt
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And it can be useful too... Yesterday, I spent one hour trying to figure out why ue5 world partition is so broken. And that was just a prerequisites for what I wanted to try out, lol. Things get unexpected turns.

deep copper
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haha yeah

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also, let's not forget, you learn how useful some hotkeys are

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i remember watching people just popping up useful material nodes before, and then it just sped everything up a ton for me too

cursive crypt
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Yeah, it can be useful. However, I don't have the time to watch someone working, while I can do the same. Therefore, at best I do a quick consultation back/forth on a video at worst.

deep copper
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yeah, it's not so useful out of the learning phase,

cursive crypt
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Video at worst, I said, because it is not really the best information medium.

deep copper
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after that it's either forums or tiny vids or skimming longer ones

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i remember watching ue4 yt video before on my phone and i was like "what is written there", it's all so small on some vids

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ignoring obsolete features from old vids ofc

foggy path
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IdeaVim pls.

cursive crypt
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Tho, actually, they do support partial Vim and I remember underlying that to them πŸ€”

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So, its not so bad.

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Honestly, I'm not sure there is better general text editor out there. Even after... hmm... 10y+ I still get informed for some nice command, or some new (old) functionality.

foggy path
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IdeaVim works pretty well

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That's what I'm using in Rider

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Emacs isn't as good at text editing as vim is though, it's just very configurable in other ways lol

cursive crypt
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Oh, yeah, it would be better if it had a text editor (you know the joke)

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Like... it is maybe more than 20 years ago, but in Vim you can just do gd or gD to jump to a local/global declaration of a var.

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That so fast, I mean, compared to even modern Rider or whatever.

foggy path
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Rider has a shortcut for it too

cursive crypt
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Ofc, it lacks many other stuff too.

foggy path
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Probably not a huge difference in terms for speed

cursive crypt
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There is, but not because of that.

foggy path
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I like the text elements and motions support

cursive crypt
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I mean, Vim would be faster, because it is smaller and portable, nor so complex GUI.

foggy path
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eg. if I need to change function parameters I can just do ci(

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which clears out the contents inside ( )

cursive crypt
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oh yea

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Vim is life, I hope its legacy lives toward the future generation. Young ones should not be afraid and embrace its power.

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Are you trying to learn both of these at the same time, lol?

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Try it. I mean, I'm tired of jokes about vim, but mostly because they do it disservice to its benefits.

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As any other tool, it is steep in the beginning. Especially ones which are.. out of the mainstream/corpo environment.

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At least, for me, it was something which I experienced later with Z and Blender for example.

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I like these three tools πŸ˜„ πŸ€” πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

foggy path
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I think in general Vim is not that hard to start using, folks usually exaggerate it a lot

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Basically all you need to know is press i to go into insert mode (to edit text) and esc to exit from insert mode :P

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I guess :w to save

deep copper
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not the usual ctrl s?

foggy path
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I think ctrl-s might do something else in vim, don't remember off the top of my head lol

deep copper
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sounds like it doesn't follows the norm

foggy path
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not at all :D

deep copper
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might be why it's considered hard

foggy path
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yeah, but you only really need to know a few of those things I mentioned to use it... it's not much more useful than notepad at that basic level though, so learning more functionality is helpful

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Yeah

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in vim it's / :P

cursive crypt
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Yeah, f3 == /

deep copper
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i am sure someone would have made a keybindings file or something for it by now so others can use it

foggy path
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there are some things like that but they often kinda defeat the purpose of using vim a bit

deep copper
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it shouldn't be that hard after a few months anyway

cursive crypt
foggy path
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GVim?

deep copper
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ah, is vim following any ergonomic style design?

foggy path
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although GVim is more or less a graphical wrapper for Vim with a menubar :P

cursive crypt
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Yah, but not gvim.exe, but one else. Some mode of it.

foggy path
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ah

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I don't really know what "ergonomic style design" means :D

cursive crypt
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In what context?

deep copper
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maybe i didn't use it right, but i meant like, easier/faster for the hands

foggy path
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well yeah

cursive crypt
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Oh, defintely, lmao

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That one of its major goals.

foggy path
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it has a lot of very convenient text editing features and ways to navigate in files quickly

cursive crypt
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All of your fingers can stay on the keyboard, no need of keypad say.

foggy path
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In a typical editor for example if you want to delete a word, you would probably use the mouse cursor to select the word and hit backspace... in vim you can just type dw (delete, word)

deep copper
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then it makes sense, a few months of unusual keys would be worth it, I will just need to get out of my "subconsciously hitting ctrl s every 5 sec" habit

cursive crypt
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Vim usually keeps an active backup.

deep copper
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"active backup"?

cursive crypt
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Another interesting example, if you want to search for a symbol down the text, you press one button. If you want to search backwards, you press shift + that button.

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"active" = usually up to date w/o doing manual saves.

deep copper
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it seems to have some oddly specific commands, probably a lot helpful once you get muscle memory for them

foggy path
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most of them are actually not that specific

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for example, dw which deletes a word is a combination

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you could also do d$ which deletes to end of line

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or 2dd which deletes two lines

deep copper
deep copper
foggy path
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because it's a combination again :)

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you can use numeric prefixes on many other commands too, and d is just the one for deleting

deep copper
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so 3dd deletes 3 lines?

foggy path
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correct

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or 2dw deletes two words

cursive crypt
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f( go from where are you now in the line to the function parameters, say

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f find

deep copper
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okay so, dd deletes one line but takes cursor back to previous line or something?
and d$ keeps current line (with cursor) but empties it or something?

foggy path
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yeah, dd deletes the entire line always, but for $ only deletes to end of line from where you are currently

deep copper
foggy path
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Yeah vim is a so-called "modal" editor

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these commands work in "normal mode" in which you can't actually type regularly into the file

foggy path
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in order to type text into the file you need to usually go into insert mode by pressing i while in normal mode, or doing a command which puts you into insert mode, such as cw which is "change" and "word" (it deletes a word and puts you in insert mode)

deep copper
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i am guessing there is another key prefix to make those work in typing mode then?

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oh okay, i think i am starting to understand how it works, it seems useful for editing existing things with a lot of speed navigation

foggy path
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Yeah

deep copper
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sounds great for git stuff or just, complex projects you won't look at for years again or something

foggy path
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It's useful for any kind of text editing really :)

deep copper
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hmm, maybe for proof reading and editing documents as well, i will probably need to actually use it to figure out what all it's best at

foggy path
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I'd say it's worth trying. There's probably some reason why so many programmers like using Vim or Emacs :)

cursive crypt
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Aye, was going to say the same. It is not a coincidence, as you see it is weird at first.

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If we gather, we may establish a #vim-lounge, I have to offer it to the mods.

foggy path
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lol

deep copper
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or, a new faction will get added to #cpp

deep glen
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<_<

deep copper
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your recommendation has been noted i guess

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quickly loading up is actually a very good feature that often goes unnoticed

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people are less likely to open things that take long lol

quasi mantle
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No Code::Blocks faction? :(

deep copper
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what features does that give?

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if you advertise it enough, i am sure people will join that cult as well

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probably gives your files 9 lives

cursive crypt
deep copper
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okay it seems vim actually does have it, but text only as per that doc bottom part as well

quasi mantle
quasi mantle
deep copper
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okay so you were serious when you said nobody uses it i guess lol

foggy path
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Turbo Pascal lets go

deep copper
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borland c++ stable release 21 years ago

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turbo pascal is still used it seems (something called free pascal had stable release in 2021 it seems), although initial release 39 years ago of turbo pascal

quasi mantle
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The only relatable use case I can see for Borland C++ is for retro programming (which C was more favourable back in the days anyway)

quasi mantle
deep copper
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ah i see

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Borland has released three old versions of Turbo Pascal free of charge because of their historical interest: the original Turbo Pascal (now known as 1.0), and versions 3.02 and 5.5 for DOS.
and free pascal seems to be- Other suppliers have produced software development tools compatible with Turbo Pascal. The best-known areΒ Free PascalΒ andΒ Virtual Pascal.

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An estimated 43% of banking systems and 95% of ATM swipes utilize COBOL code. intial release 63 years ago...

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haha

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it seems fortran is still extremely strong for scientific stuff, and used in many places, first appeared, 65 years ago

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BASIC first appearance was 57 years ago, it's rather, new compared to rest it seems. BASIC continues to be widely used because it can be learned quickly, huh, really?

cursive crypt
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m2

deep glen
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< started with Turbo Pascal

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ikr

cursive crypt
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My 2nd

deep copper
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i think i have tried BASIC before but I don't remember it being easy, again i probably wasn't even interested at that time so lol

quasi mantle
#

But for general public use, it's either C/C++, or the new programming language kids talking about nowadays.

cursive crypt
#

At some point, I was a friend with the general distributor of borland/delphi/pascal stuff. She always brought me some gifts - demo CDs of these πŸ€”

deep copper
#

ah that makes sense

quasi mantle
deep copper
#

although that seems hard to understand, i would expect books and less copy pasting techniques of that time to make typing less seem better

verbal junco
#

I remember doing BASIC on my graph calculator

#

good times (?!)

cursive crypt
#

I'm too old T.T

quasi mantle
#

Assembly is almost bare to the metal programming, and to be fair, it kind of easier with vintage hardware, as smaller hardware real estate makes minute/precise operations a huge deal.

Compared to nowadays when C/C++ is considered low level enough in some extent

deep copper
verbal junco
#

does assembly go beyond the stack?

celest musk
#

assembly is the stack

cursive crypt
#

coughs

celest musk
#

my only basic experience ^^

quasi mantle
#

Also Assembly program for one hardware isn't always compatible with another, even with same CPU.

cursive crypt
#

I think we already talked about C vs C++ on certain embedded products πŸ€”

deep copper
#

i remember someone who used C and their reason was to avoid OOP or classes or something style programming

quasi mantle
#

Though early '80s Commodore hardware seem to be forward compatible by design IIRC

verbal junco
#

those damn classes

#

always screwing up stuff

quasi mantle
verbal junco
#

keeping their logic contained and what not

deep copper
#

i remember reading "everything gets converted to assembly code"

#

"on compile"*

#

or something

quasi mantle
#

Also Laravel which is IMO a pathetic attempt at converting PHP into OOP, but I digress.

deep copper
deep copper
#

i am very thankful to all the online resources so i can ctrl c v

quasi mantle
deep copper
#

haha yup

quasi mantle
#

(but in context of UE4, I found SO to be rather useless)

deep copper
#

for BP it's again the book thing even online

quasi mantle
#

SO expects general purpose use case for the programming question, certainly UE C++ is too narrow for SO.

foggy path
#

I'm not sure if that's the case πŸ€”

deep copper
#

oh yeah, they often close those questions don't they?

deep copper
#

saying it won't be useful to others

foggy path
#

Interesting

deep copper
#

wait what?

quasi mantle
#

Stack Overflow's mentality is rather weird to say the least. At most, it's discouraging to new users.

deep copper
#

epic abandoned answerhub?

quasi mantle
foggy path
#

I have not used Stack Overflow since 2017, but somehow my rep just keeps going up at a constant pace lol

mossy nexus
#

AH was forgotten about in eons past

verbal junco
#

epic boutta abandon ue4 too

deep copper
#

what in the world, why would they do that

quasi mantle
deep copper
#

oh okay, so it's not gone right?

#

in a way

foggy path
#

I know :(

#

and now stack overflow is closing their careers system

quasi mantle
foggy path
#

at least it would have been vaguely useful there lol

deep copper
verbal junco
#

Depends on timescale

mossy nexus
#

Don't eat yellow snow

foggy path
mossy nexus
#

Don't pee into the wind

verbal junco
#

Would suggest slow trend, which is good

foggy path
#

I wonder if John Skeet still uses SO

mossy nexus
#

A SO user .. d'uh πŸ˜„

deep copper
foggy path
#

Ah it was Jon not John

#

:P

deep copper
mossy nexus
#

They might not be correct answers though

celest musk
#

omg, they removed the whole answerhub page

#

it worked like 5days ago

deep copper
#

haha helping the other poor souls as well

foggy path
#

He really likes SO to be still active lol

#

even though my last answer is from 2017 I only answered two questions in 2017, and one in 2015

#

all of my others are from before that :P

celest musk
#

-.-

#

will the data from answerhub be migrated to the forum system? or is that knowledge lost?

deep copper
#

who is that ?

quasi mantle
deep copper
foggy path
#

I doubt it

deep copper
#

good thing it still exists in some form

foggy path
#

Member for 12 years, 9 months

#

:P

quasi mantle
#

I haven't spotted any missing/invalid redirects from Answerhub to the forums, might be less flawed than old vBulletin to Discourse migration

cursive crypt
#

This goes worse and worse each year

deep copper
deep copper
deep copper
#

i missed a lot it seems lol

celest musk
#

the wiki mirror is only hosted by other people now (they deleted the whole wiki, and after some shitstorm they at least provided a full backup of it, which people host now)

cursive crypt
#

pink noises

verbal junco
#

I never thought I'd be the kind of person that's sitting eating olives straight up

celest musk
#

i'm talking about the old one, apparently there's a new one?!

verbal junco
#

yet here we are

celest musk
#

^^

verbal junco
#

for the record it's not enjoyable

deep copper
verbal junco
#

10 olives is the limit

deep copper
#

why 10?

celest musk
#

doesn't fit more in his mouth

deep copper
#

oh, 10 at once it is haha

celest musk
#

now it is πŸ˜„

quasi mantle
celest musk
#

yea i've never used the new one

verbal junco
celest musk
#

Mathew Wadstein is my wiki

verbal junco
#

my bad for buying olives with stones

quasi mantle
deep copper
celest musk
#

you aren't supposed to eat the stones, too

#

"but i paid for them"

deep copper
#

save the stones for later

cursive crypt
verbal junco
cursive crypt
#

I remember times eating olives only, but also olives and bread. That was a meal. Nice, tasty olives...

verbal junco
#

I like olives

#

but like

#

with something else

#

there has to be balance

#

but since they have stones you can't just throw them into food

celest musk
#

yes, cheese or salad works

cursive crypt
#

Yeah, one must not forget about them later. However, I had used them in a pot too. It works.

verbal junco
#

puttanesca is one of my favorite dishes

cursive crypt
#

What a shameless name. Will check.

#

... I approve.

celest musk
#

eating that right now

#

but yea, i can't even do 10 in that combo

verbal junco
#

πŸ‘Œ

cursive crypt
#

Also it has a lot of salt.

verbal junco
#

true

timber viper
#

@median wraith how so? literally 1.5k lights on Crysis for each level?

median wraith
#

each Crysis level don't have than 500 lights for sure placed all around the world

night grove
#

I'm surprised you wouldn't know who Jon Skeet is

median wraith
#

is even worst than what you think

#

as they use negative lights too @timber viper

#

to pretend there are shadows

timber viper
#

At first glance looks like a terrible idea but it looks good on the game

#

I pity the lighting artist

median wraith
#

well is what happened with LPV

#

Cryengine V don't have negative lights anymore

#

they changed the whole workflow

verbal junco
#

and I'm sure they are happy to do it

deep copper
#

instead of pity, appreciate them, love them, they would feel a lot better

median wraith
#

You can check Sniper Ghost Warrior 2 and how terrible shadows at levels are

#

oversaturated shadows due fake inverted lights

#

that are actually shadow lights

timber viper
deep copper
#

haha yes

timber viper
verbal junco
#

I'm always happy that I didn't go down the artist route

#

having to constantly be on top of your game and new tech while the floodgates for new artists are always open

deep copper
#

and you often don't even understand how the tools work because of rumours or bad practices in circulation

foggy path
#

That's what they say about programming

#

:P

verbal junco
#

all code is bad

night grove
#

Yeah how is this any different than programmers?

foggy path
#

at the stage I'm at I can just pick up a new programming thing probably in a span of a week so ehh Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

verbal junco
#

you don't have a new cpp to learn every year

night grove
#

Most of what I learned in college is worthless

celest musk
#

just read #blueprint for a day, and you'll realize that most of the flood will go down the drain

foggy path
#

all I learned in school was Visual Basic 6 and the teacher let me skip the classes because "you know more than I do" lol

night grove
#

That was highschool for me

deep copper
#

good teacher

foggy path
#

yeah

night grove
#

Except I got failed on a paper about PC repair because I didn't cite any sources

foggy path
#

I think the only vaguely useful class was on binary math

#

but I think I forgot most of it by now

night grove
#

I'm like... B I AM THE SOURCE!

deep copper
timber viper
celest musk
#

guess they brought the broken computer of their neighbor that they couldn't fix and wanted to know why

deep copper
#

so it didn't work

night grove
#

How many of you get random people asking you to fix their computer when they learn you do dev work on a computer?

foggy path
#

@timber viper I actually learned to make web pages in elementary school in like 1999 or so :P

#

I think we used Frontpage Express

#

:D

timber viper
foggy path
#

heh

celest musk
#

iirc some school wanted me to use frontpage, too

#

if that school was a company, they would be gone for long now

median wraith
#

Welcome to the negative lights reality

#

Hunt Showdown uses decent oclusion in realtime finally

#

so they still have to use lights to fake bounces at some points but isn't this hardcore anymore

timber viper
#

It looks like UE has a smooth workflow compared to others

celest musk
#

the approach somehow makes sense

#

the bounces are there but ignored, which seems smart

verbal junco
timber viper
#

lmao not sure, but cant say no πŸ˜‚

deep copper
verbal junco
#

well at least you'll always have iskender

timber viper
celest musk
#

@median wraith wouldn't this approach also allow for day/night cycle?

verbal junco
#

yes but those are non destructive additions

celest musk
#

nvm, moving light => moving shadows

verbal junco
#

you're not having to relearn maya because everyone decided to ditch 3ds max a year ago

timber viper
#

I guess you have to learn new DirectX version everytime with a destructive additions, if you are a graphics programmer

night grove
#

There's a lot of tech stack to learn when you switch companies

#

Even if they use the same engine

verbal junco
#

sure

median wraith
night grove
#

Because everyone does it differently

verbal junco
#

all I'm saying is

#

this is what artists do in the same company

#

year for year

#

people just go "oh photogrammetry is now a thing"

#

and now every artist has to do photogrammetry

#

πŸ˜”

#

also at least you get a decent salary as a progamer, that isn't guaranteed as an artist

onyx root
#

!8ball Will I have to learn the upcoming C++23?

turbid spindleBOT
#

@onyx root, :8ball: Don't count on it.

onyx root
#

nice

verbal junco
#

see

#

programming is izipizi

#

well it's izipizi after 10 grueling years of experience

#

maybe

#

anyway I'm technically not a programmer so I shouldn't talk πŸ˜‚

deep copper
#

oh yeah, once you have the basics down, programmers seem to be capable of grasping anyt other thing within weeks

verbal junco
#

it really depends on the programmer

#

I have had experiences speaking to a programmer about feature implementations that were like talking to a door

deep copper
#

i recall one saying that, that they can" easily switch languages anytime they want" perhaps they were showing off or the switching was a hello world

verbal junco
#

no no, the word is infuriating

deep copper
#

yeah, I didn't believe that "weeks" would make anyone advanced in something entirely different

#

that would mean only top 10 programmers would be programming everything in the world within seconds

timber viper
deep copper
#

yeah I don't think for job security it's a good idea to have that as a thing, wait is that why people add most languages in their cv early on? to count the years?

verbal junco
#

I count language fluency

#

especially in english 😏

deep copper
#

tbf, it would be easy to trick people who aren't programmers into thinking you can do it

deep copper
verbal junco
#

we're all members of the tautology club

deep copper
#

kind*

verbal junco
#

because we're all members of the tautology club

celest musk
#

have you?

verbal junco
#

and all of them are wrong

celest musk
#

yes

#

you shouldn't ask, you should command

#

TRY RIDER!

verbal junco
#

sorry but rider is for kid

deep copper
#

you tank

verbal junco
#

dragonHell wrote Rider obviously

timber viper
celest musk
#

xDDDDDDDDDDDDD

deep copper
#

cpp has it's own memes?? i wonder if lounge has any

verbal junco
celest musk
#

yes

#

how big is a smol data table?

timber viper
verbal junco
#

smol 32gb data tables

celest musk
#

xD

#

2 stupid...

deep copper
#

tautology in action

deep copper
verbal junco
#

what I like about #cpp the most is that the level of bullshit detection is so high

#

any time someone is objectively wrong they are called out

deep copper
#

it was posted in #lounge , so let lounge have it

timber viper
verbal junco
#

I wish blueprint had the same

celest musk
deep copper
#

rip

celest musk
#

some brave souls like authaer etc. help there

verbal junco
#

or block you because they believe they know better

#

dunning kruger alive and well

deep copper
#

so cpp IS a cult of sorts with its own, power and rules

#

and, unity

#

not engine

verbal junco
#

#cpp is the great filter of this discord

celest musk
#

wouldn't it be a nightmare if bullshit wouldn't be called out?

verbal junco
#

if you can hang with those dudes you're alright

#

"dudes" in this case being the californian gender neutral interpretation

celest musk
#

bEtterTryRider = true

verbal junco
#

sadly yes

deep copper
celest musk
deep copper
#

haha yeah

celest musk
#

i identify as kid

verbal junco
#

well then rider is for you

celest musk
#

have i mentioned that i use rider, and that you should try it?!

deep copper
#

blue man also existed here a while back

timber viper
deep copper
#

lol

#

blueman looks a bit, pink

celest musk
deep copper
#

well then, time to ask for help in #lounge, hopefully i get answered :D

#

that's some ms dos BASIC blue color

verbal junco
#

@timber viper 's meme game is on point as always 😎

deep copper
#

you can be my dad <3
jk

verbal junco
#

wrong kink, wrong discord

timber viper
#

lmao

deep copper
#

ah yeah, windows bsod was also that color before win 10 right

verbal junco
#

did win10 change the bsod color?

deep copper
#

it's the red green at 0 and blue at max color thing

deep copper
#

and i heard win 11 is adding more variety but idk

verbal junco
#

I've never had it

celest musk
#

xD

verbal junco
#

in 10

celest musk
#

are you really discussing the BSOD color scheme right now?

#

indeed

foggy path
#

Wonder when are the blueprint ninja goodies arriving πŸ€”

#

Their email said they'd probably ship in january

verbal junco
#

who is blueprint ninja

foggy path
#

it's what they used to create Ninja the famous fortnite

deep copper
#

or handling climate change

#

i need to get familiar with the #cpp memes quick

verbal junco
#

step 2 is to try rider and realize it's for kid

deep copper
#

I know the basics;
here;
look;

celest musk
#

step 3 is accept that becoming kid is the only viable option

#

step 4 is ignore what lorash says about rider

verbal junco
#

ooo they got you there @zinc matrix

celest musk
#

step 5 profit

deep copper
#

on a serious note though, what's the debugger thing about? does rider not have a way of debugging or what

celest musk
#

which part of it? the breakpoint stuff?

foggy path
#

It has worked pretty well for me so I guess some folks try to debug very strange things that it doesn't like

deep copper
#

atleast not a bsod

timber viper
#

@ionic flame lol do you remember this

celest musk
#

jokes aside, it works fine for me too

#

compiling errors on the other hand aren't parsed in any nice fashion

#

ok, haven't experience on that

verbal junco
#

This variable has been optimized away

foggy path
#

the mind boggling wtf in VS is the file/folder handling

#

it's like so fucky that I don't even want to use it

celest musk
#

xD

#

reminds me of sheep classes

#

anyone in here know what a sheep class is?

verbal junco
celest musk
#

yea, your answer sounded like sheep class is a concept πŸ˜„

deep copper
#

so how is rider for kid? is it
1# too easy and friendly for simple basic stuff that kids need it for? (maybe even making it harder for other complex things)
2# people in early stages of C++ use it then realise it's not enough and grow up?
3# you can't do everything with it? (like mspaint vs ps or something)

verbal junco
#

at least it's not std::sort::sort()

celest musk
deep copper
#

i am curious about why the meme even came about

#

ah

verbal junco
#

#cpp history is open for browsing

foggy path
#

I think I might have caused it

#

Or at least I was there when it started, as I don't remember seeing it before that time lol

#

lol

verbal junco
#

sad he couldn't join us on this glorious day

#

lmaooooooo

foggy path
#

I don't know if rider is for kid came up before this but at least this is the first time I saw it lol

#

haha

#

alright then

verbal junco
#

there is only 🍴

#

πŸ‡΅ is the new πŸ…±οΈ

night grove
#

What is πŸ…±οΈ ?

deep copper
#

found it

verbal junco
#

OH HAHA THAT GUY

#

I am so not surprised

night grove
#

I asked for it to be made?

night grove
#

TIL, Lorash cares because I'm not blocked... yet.

verbal junco
#

I heard Allar left the server because he just had 300 blocked messages in every channel

night grove
#

I think I'm pretty safe because I'm not going to ask how to inherit ALandscape on tick.

celest musk
#

well, he is not wrong with "rider is for kid"

#

it's for gamedev, for the inner kid in all of us

#

except for lorash, which suppressed his inner kid

#

real adult advice "ignore all the error's VS throws and keep going" πŸ˜›

verbal junco
#

if you're not having at least 100 messages blocked per message coming through are you even trying?

deep copper
#

does blocking give any benefit in a big server? the way it works i don't think blocking actually has any value here

celest musk
#

it does

night grove
#

I don't think I've blocked anyone on this server yet

verbal junco
#

HEY WHAT DOES ACCESSED NONE MEAN IT STILL WORKS BUT LOL

celest musk
#

i blocked like 2-3 users which had an outstanding bad attitude

deep copper
#

ah

celest musk
#

they suggested VS

#

πŸ˜›

bronze axle
#

I don't ignore errors.

#

Blueprints for life.

night grove
#

πŸ…±οΈ πŸ‡΅

celest musk
#

you can't even use a blueprint with errors, can you? (at least it throws a warning on game start...)

deep copper
#

i guess the blue didn't supress erros

#

errors*

bronze axle
#

You found me out.

celest musk
#

BP_First

bronze axle
#

A fistful of blueprints.

celest musk
#

i think that's not what lorash meant, but lets go with that^

deep copper
#

thinking out of the box eh ben

bronze axle
celest musk
#

no, target is self

#

that is one confusing screenshot

deep copper
#

now what is ed

#

i was just about to google, thanks

#

lol

alpine zodiac
#

Hi guys :^) im new to ue5.

#

Glad to be here

celest musk
#

we all are

#

and try rider

alpine zodiac
#

Well. New to ue in general

#

Cool. I def will

celest musk
#

TL;DR use UE4 if you just start learning

alpine zodiac
#

Than you so much lorash

deep copper
#

intial release, 49 years ago

celest musk
#

πŸ˜‡

alpine zodiac
celest musk
#

looks fun

night grove
#

Actually now that I think of it... that 2nd one looks more fun

alpine zodiac
#

Is there a "for noobs " chat?

celest musk
#

and #cpp (just kidding)

alpine zodiac
#

Ow cool

night grove
celest musk
#

honestly, you get help in the other channels, too

alpine zodiac
#

Im allways gentle

night grove
#

Also rare is the patience exhibited by many on this server

#

As in, it is rare on other servers

alpine zodiac
#

Hi, i respect your opinion. But you will be able to judje my character as i go

verbal junco
alpine zodiac
#

Ive been making games since 2013. However i consider myself trash in cpp. And ive never even tried bp

deep copper
#

you are talking with war veterans here, the knights of #cpp

#

that occasionally appear in #lounge claiming this is now #cpp

alpine zodiac
#

Im ready to kneel down and be respectfull to my "elders"

celest musk
#

my advice is leave cpp aside for the beginning

#

get used with the engine in blueprint

#

then you can pick up cpp

night grove
alpine zodiac
carmine frigate
#

my cpp is terrible, but my control C controllV is master level

night grove
#

Yeah...

verbal junco
#

this channel has been annexed by the #cpp state

#

the #cpp union, perhaps

alpine zodiac
#

I dont like using my mouse to drag and connect dots. But if that is what a beginner should do then i shall do that

carmine frigate
#

you can also write BPs in text

verbal junco
#

NEVER do it but sometimes it's ok

#

😏

celest musk
#

40% hotreload, 50% memes, and 10% cpp

verbal junco
#

but also yes don't do it

#

just forget live coding

alpine zodiac
night grove
celest musk
#

i do by times

carmine frigate
#

yea i recon its pretty terrible tho

timber viper
night grove
#

As a developer / programmer, you cripple yourself if you refuse to learn BP

alpine zodiac
#

Cool.

celest musk
#

me coding

verbal junco
alpine zodiac
#

You guys seem amazing

celest musk
#

glassbeaver

night grove
#

Speaking of C++ IRL calls

verbal junco
#

sometimes during work hours πŸ˜…

night grove
#

For me I mean

#

I often lurk here to learn from the UE masters

celest musk
#

πŸ˜›

verbal junco
#

welp I don't even have to connect to a VPN so my employer cannot trace anything. but I try to be nice kappa

night grove
celest musk
#

@zinc matrix ^

night grove
#

I made a BetterRandomStream based on SquirrelNoise based on some of @zinc matrix ramblings

alpine zodiac
#

My biggest problem is i left my pc in my college apartment. 1 hr away. So i wont be able to use ue4 or ue5 this month

verbal junco
#

if I am stuck in a deadend meeting I might as well be productive somehow

alpine zodiac
#

Ill just wait. Wait then spend my money on assets, and make a very basic first time game

verbal junco
#

paying for assets πŸ˜…

alpine zodiac
#

Oh no. My weakness is reading :^(

celest musk
#

and don't overestimate the value of assets...

#

some people should pay you for using their garbage

alpine zodiac
#

But i can def read if required

night grove
#

I need to make better use of this

#

and also this

verbal junco
#

photorealism is overrated

alpine zodiac
celest musk
#

except they are from mathew wadstein

alpine zodiac
#

Oh no

verbal junco
#

but I've stolen many a free set off of Luos for "placeholder" vfx kappa

alpine zodiac
#

Why?

night grove
#

Sometimes the only documentation is from Youtube. Though you do need to learn to throw away their bad design used for the sake of teaching.

#

I watch videos at 2x speed because most the content is trash

alpine zodiac
#

I bought two udemy courses

verbal junco
night grove
#

How else do you find the 1% that is useful and not documented elsewhere?

#

The official videos are great

alpine zodiac
#

Both from devs that i researched before

night grove
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The only Udemy course I liked was the GAS one

alpine zodiac
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One of the course makers made Grid

night grove
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In and of itself, the course taught pretty poor design, but it was a good first exposure to all things UE

deep copper
verbal junco
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16x or bust

alpine zodiac
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Unity has a lot of spaghetti code support. Im hoping to learn propper code here on top of making cool games

deep copper
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check it on web browser addons, i forgot the name but speed yt changer or something should bring all the similar ones

alpine zodiac
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If you look at my unity game. All pasta

night grove
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This is where the 2x speed comes in my man

carmine frigate
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the learn vids are pretty good

night grove
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They offer a few tidbits that are useful

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But yeah the amount of fumbling in YT videos is embarassing

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I tried to do videos once. The amount of time I spent on editing was INSANE

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Actually twice I guess

verbal junco
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sad thing is some people have gotten big youtube names out of putting out terrible tutorials

celest musk
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there are some official unreal videos which are gold imho

alpine zodiac
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Also. When i finally get my hands on ue4 or 5. What will be something that will blow me away?

night grove
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Learn how to make Diablo 2 in 10 days using Unity!

alpine zodiac
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That most people dont notice

night grove
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Make your own Fortnite in 72 hours!

verbal junco
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don't get swallowed up by the hype

deep copper
verbal junco
carmine frigate
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the new version features livestream are usually allright aswell

night grove
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There are some really good livestreams on animation BPs

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Also on Niagara

alpine zodiac
timber viper
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no

verbal junco
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will will smith smith will smith?

celest musk
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how would you rate unreal sensei content quality?

alpine zodiac
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Hmm. Why not?

deep copper
celest musk
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only seen one video of him, not sure what to think about it, as i had no clue about the topic he talked about

alpine zodiac
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Experimental

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Ow

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Ow

carmine frigate
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yea i allways quit the editor

alpine zodiac
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Allways quit?

celest musk
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better safe than sorry

verbal junco
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quit the editor, shut down your OS, wait 5 minutes, reboot and only then compile

deep copper
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this is why discord helps when yt can't, you learn from others recent and common mistakes

alpine zodiac
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Im gonna get an ssd then. Not an hd for ue4 or 5

deep copper
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stay in any channel and you will start noticing a pattern

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of common mistakes and difficulty

alpine zodiac
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Cool

deep copper
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i have never seen one of those actually lol, specially with juicy info

celest musk
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πŸ˜„

deep copper
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maybe my luck isn't high enough

verbal junco
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like "oh haha, that ensure wasn't supposed to be there but we can't fix that for 4.27, but it's fixed in 5.0"

celest musk
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cmon, you cant use a meme for a serious question

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i know exactly nothing now xD

verbal junco
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also let's take a moment to talk about the EnsureProbability

carmine frigate
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i thought the convertin BP to c++ vid in learn was pretty good

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even tho i allready used both still learned a bit

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some of their old courses are pretty outdated now

deep copper
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watching their stream with my goldfish focus span is impossible, even at 4x

celest musk
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the only twitch gamedev stream i watch is using unity

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and thats why i use unreal

night grove
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I don't understand twitch as a medium for teaching content

celest musk
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it's rather like coworking

night grove
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The worst teaching content is when it is littered with mistakes and debugging

fleet tangle
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I streamed myself coding in VS/UE once for a laugh. Got like 20 people watching. They must have been bored as fuck.

night grove
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And twitch as a platform makes it impossible to edit that out

verbal junco
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@zinc matrix where was that ensure probability thing at?

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pretty sure Lorash was the one that told me about it πŸ˜‚

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tldr ensure can have a built in probability

deep copper
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it skips breathing and other boring things, 4x makes it easier because you need to stay attentive and filter juicy things quickly

verbal junco
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the rabbit hole never ends

deep copper
verbal junco
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meanwhile someone out there coding ensures to trigger exactly 5.313% of the time

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the true agent of chaos

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idk but it's a good time to find out πŸ˜…

deep copper
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is it to late to ask what an ensure is?

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too*

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i am guessing a get random value call

verbal junco
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it's a polite request telling you you have done something you shouldn't have

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and that you should stop doing it

deep copper
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i am just guessing based on what was said xD, i have no idea what is being talked about really

celest musk
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i don't get the random part

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will it randomly ignore a failed ensure?

verbal junco
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yes

deep copper
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but why

verbal junco
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and they say UE4's cpp is for baby πŸ˜”

verbal junco
celest musk
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maybe that was added for some kind of random debugging purpose?

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like if multiple ensures happen it wont fail on the first

verbal junco
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yes

unreal cedar
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Ayyyy

verbal junco
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it's the gift that keeps giving

unreal cedar
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I'm going to ask my team at work today to see if anyone has any guesses at what it could be for. None of them work with unreal so I'm sure they'll be horrified.

ocean parcel
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what's up!?!?!??!

unreal cedar
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memeing about some insanity in engine code

cursive crypt
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It's compiling.

verbal junco
cursive crypt
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No, I was memeing that comic

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I mean, #cpp are on break while the code is compiling.

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#memelogic

verbal junco
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all these maymays

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I can't keep up

cursive crypt
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So true.

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I have been compiling for two days, now I'm just slacking πŸšͺ πŸšΆβ€β™‚οΈ

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Nice.

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UE5 and 4.27.2

verbal junco
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I loathe the 4th. the may maymay where they say may

cursive crypt
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My memory has the dimension of a turtle, brb

deep copper
verbal junco
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I'm still trying to understand 2020 maymays

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I just got that funeral procession song

deep copper
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i am still processing pog

cursive crypt
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Speechless. Is that rule 103: There is anime about anything?

deep copper
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everything*