lounge

[signal citrus]

Like there just are better things out there for this stuff imo

I like c++

[signal citrus]

Unreal doesn’t garbage collect strings though

So I mean if your comparing performance of the two, include samples of code that concatinates strings a lot

And include the measured time to collect, no matter how you mitigate recollecting that string garbage it’s there

If you use json as interprocess communication protocol or do web oriented stuff

You will be using strings

[unreal cedar]

Complaining about web when that's one of C#'s main targets is a weird thing. Especially when it's competing with much slower languages that are in some cases used quite a bit more.

[mossy nexus]

Well... colour impressed: https://youtu.be/EfzhMqZyilI

[signal citrus]

If your c# software is completely idle often, as web servers would be between requests it’s okay.

[unreal cedar]

Yes, which is why bringing up web makes no sense.

[signal citrus]

But I really don’t think it’s great for that even

Just because it’s a wide use case doesn’t mean it’s better than many other things

[unreal cedar]

I think you missed my point. You complained about string handling being slow when doing web-oriented stuff or json processing or whatever. But C# is one of the faster languages in a space dominated by dynamic languages, a few of which don't even have JIT.

[signal citrus]

And if your using the built in libraries that use stringbulder class internally, carefully written to not generate garbage then cool. But more likely your top level code is the terrible part unless you have a team of people who know how to write code like the bottom level. It’s not that you have to learn it to be better, it’s that strings suck in c# to use, and the solution of string builder to avoid it is generally the way you will do everything the more you get sucked into it.

Like the literal amount of workaround code in c# is beyond just having a smart compiler optimize anything for you.

There is no hand holding

I don’t like that part

I disagree

If you put inline on something you share with the compiler a lot of information of what’s going on. As it really does much much more than c#s own generic system defeats

Having things that live on a stack with construction and deconstruction is almost the ultimate hand holding

Is it lightweight and easy to write? Not always but your not penalized by it in nearly as significant of a way

[unreal cedar]

Sorry, trying to wrap my head around what the complaint here even is... in most scenarios where you have lots of string handling going on, such as webdev, this stuff simply doesn't matter because you don't care about GC pauses unless you're dealing with highly specific situations that you'd end up having to be careful about optimization regardless of language. What that optimization looks like is obviously going to be different in a GC'd language vs C++ but you'd almost never choose C++ in this situation in the first place.
If your argument is that C# is bad for gamedev, this isn't a compelling argument either because this level of string usage isn't all that common.

[signal citrus]

Sorry lemme just say you shouldn’t be doing web dev with c++

[unreal cedar]

Yes, I just said that.

[signal citrus]

But what I’m saying for things where c# is used in heavily, it’s not like it’s the best at these things

The use case of c# is one that I cannot come up with when there are better alternatives that don’t have all kinds of routes to improve performance when you need it

[unreal cedar]

But you haven't made an argument for that as far as I can tell.
We went from string handling in C# causes GC problems -> but gamedev generally doesn't involve that much string handling, so webdev then... -> but GC problems aren't a big deal with webdev -> but string handling in C# is bad!
That conversation just went in a circle.

[signal citrus]

Games use strings a lot

[unreal cedar]

And in pretty much every engine you'll find very careful use of those strings. Not unlike what you'd have to write in C# anyway.

[signal citrus]

You would have to be using c# and actively avoiding usage of strings to avoid them..

[verbal junco]

have some on the house 🍿

[unreal cedar]

Look at unreal - there are 3 different types of strings just that the engine provides.

And that isn't even counting the other more standard types used for interop with other libraries.

If that isn't a clusterfuck of string handling (even if it is performant) I don't know what is.

[signal citrus]

I mean in c# you will make a dictionary of string concatenation that is static rooted for gc

So it will not collect

That is nonsense to me no offense

[unreal cedar]

Ok, and why is doing that work any different than writing a bunch of custom string types in C++ to have the performance characteristics you want?

[signal citrus]

Who is writing custom string types for “abc” + str

[unreal cedar]

Unreal lol

gamedev is notorious for using custom types regardless of what languages provide in order to get the exact performance characteristics you want.

Having to do so in C# isn't really a big deal compared to the insanity you see in C++ engines.

For the record, I like how Unreal does it. But that's still a lot of custom work they did.

They're not taking advantage of anything inherent to C++ or the standard libraries there.

lol

I never said Unreal does it perfectly

And they're slowly moving back to STL stuff for some areas.

[signal citrus]

I gotta get going but I think the complexity on c++ is in a better place when you pair it with meta programming

[unreal cedar]

jfc that fucking code

why

did anyone come up with a reasonable answer

[verbal junco]

what is it?

[unreal cedar]

there is

I just don't understand why

[unreal cedar]

There's a config option in the engine to have a chance for ensures to trigger rather than triggering always

[verbal junco]

what purpose could this possibly serve? like if you want to make your own bugs?

[unreal cedar]

This is run every time an ensure triggers to decide whether it should actually cause a debug break and log

I have no idea.

GEnsureChance is by default 100% so ensures always trigger, as they should.

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-wtf-blink182-gif-4982401

[unreal cedar]

But there's a config option to change that.

[night grove]

Because every developer loves getting defects that are not reproducable

Game crashes sometimes when I do X

[verbal junco]

I'm kind of fed up with weird ensure code anyway but this takes the cake

[unreal cedar]

The only theory I had was this is for some sort of random automated soak testing that fails on on the first assert hit, and this lets it sometimes hit different ones to find more issues. But it could just record that an ensure happened and continue... so idk.

[verbal junco]

and thankfully doesn't exist in cooked builds

[unreal cedar]

You can, doesn't mean you should 😛

[verbal junco]

I had a bug with the BT code where if you ran the editor without IDE, it would cause the editor to hang for 30 seconds the first time it happened

with IDE the ensure shows up

in cooked builds it's not there

[unreal cedar]

ensures hang because they take a minidump lol

[verbal junco]

ah

make sense

but still

the ensure is essentially fixing some weird nonsense issue that someone had and doesn't exist in 5.0 apparently

SSDs

both of them 😔

but good to know why it happens

[broken sigil]

LOL wtf is that 😅

That might take the crown as the dumbest thing I've seen in a while

[unreal cedar]

but this doesn't help, it'll still freeze but only sometimes

Right, that makes sense

but then it should just be a bool

not a random chance

[broken sigil]

Ah yes I love me some random chance of ensure triggering

[unreal cedar]

setting it to 0 does disable ensures, but the other functionality makes no sense lol

[verbal junco]

why not a bool value though

enable/disable

[broken sigil]

You don't like random chances?

[unreal cedar]

I like unreproducable asserts

they're my favorite

[verbal junco]

#cpp and #lounge merging into one

[unreal cedar]

isn't that here

and here's there

[verbal junco]

the #clopungep

[unreal cedar]

Am I having a stroke

[verbal junco]

yes. I'm sorry.

is there a word for words that look like they're supposed to be real words but are in fact gibberish?

[unreal cedar]

I think gibberish is the word

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-nothing-i-can-do-about-it-jason-scott-red-ranger-dacre-montogomery-power-rangers-gif-18162428

[unreal cedar]

don't tell that guy that hates C# strings

[quasi mantle]

Just call it D♭ and no one will notice.

[noble plaza]

$ interpolation is rad though

Also I thought this was the Nim channel smh, get on with the times

[unreal cedar]

Wait people use Nim?

[noble plaza]

People use Haxe apparently, so everything is possible 🤔

[unreal cedar]

Wasn't haxe used for dead cells

Yeah, it was, and they have a fancy game engine. I remember looking at it at one point, seems neat.

[noble plaza]

And AngelScript over UE was used for It Takes Two. I kinda want to check it out, but it's pretty specific to the one studio ATM

They did build like 8 different game types in the one, with their minigames and funky levels 🤷

[quasi mantle]

Honestly I would check it out, but I'm not sure about moddability of it.

If it allows for runtime script, I'll happily ditch Lua.

[unreal cedar]

I looked at it a while back, it seems like a really cool integration

they took as much as they could from what you are able to do in C++ and exposed it to AS.

[nimble grail]

For some reason, because I decided to start working on a separate project without my friend who I had been working on a project with him for a year he decided to just completely delete all of our project management software. I did not delete any of his work and it's still up, and he can access it at any time.

Literally all I did was start a separate project, without him. I never said anything negative about him, but he wrote an entire email just complaining about me to everyone on our team.

Somehow I'm the bad guy, even though I deleted nothing, but he deleted all of my stuff. The mental gymnastics are insane here.

I'm the betrayer here evidently, even though I didn't actually delete anything. I just didn't talk to him for a few days while I was setting up my new project/team.

Didn't even ask if I was okay. What if I was in the hospital with a heart attack??

[tulip orbit]

obviously you're not allowed to start new projects without him 😐

[nimble grail]

Well he just had complaints of personal issues he had with me.

[lucid jasper]

soooooooo I'm super new to unreal engine

but I would love to learn it and use it for my video production process, or even creating cool content for my clients

Do you think what unreal engine offers helps my career in video production or should I invest my time somewhere else?

[deep glen]

unreal is used everywhere nowadays, so that is a yes.

[gritty swallow]

lmao

[zinc matrix]

Yeah

Unreal is very versatile

Just make sure your computer can handle it

[rugged jetty]

look man

it works

[left granite]

lol so tru

but still i touch the code even tho it works

lol

[thorny dock]

turn over a rock and you will find bugs, there's no way around it

such as trying to log into anything on unrealengine.com

[pliant cairn]

hey where can i get help for a project i'm working on?

[thorny dock]

it's been a week now and I can't log in without an incognito window, I get infinite refreshing and eventually this error, very annoying

[thorny dock]

ask for help on the job board using #instructions

[pliant cairn]

thanks! I hope your ue4 fixes 🙂

have a good one

[thorny dock]

cheers you too! best of luck!

[pliant cairn]

thanks, yea its a simple fill up bar but i just cant get it to work

thanks you too!

[thorny dock]

oh wait I thought you meant help as in other people to work on your project with you

[pliant cairn]

oh no not like that

just help on a fill up bar

ohhh i phrased that weird

lol i see that now

[thorny dock]

if you have a question, use an appropriate channel, if its blueprints try #blueprint, if its UMG/UI try #umg, or you could try #ue4-general general

I think I actually read it wrong lol

[pliant cairn]

alright ill see what I can find thanks!

[thorny dock]

also if you don't get an answer here definitely try the forums, cheers and good luck!

[pliant cairn]

alright!

[rotund tundra]

wish doxygen etc would scan employee twitter accounts instead of code files, ...
"Did you know UE 4.XX has this and that bla bla.. here's how to set it up...bla bla..."
"Do you know 4.XX introduced bla bla bla"
..No i don't know any of that but I bet you didn't know there's a dedicated section for online documentation on your website?

[obtuse harbor]

Hey guys, is there any place I can go to work on some projects for free to build experience/a portfolio, I’m both a 3d artist (blender) and a programmer

[last matrix]

starbucks?

hmm, free free... maybe an airport

[obtuse harbor]

wat

[last matrix]

lol, i dont think you have to go anywhere, just start working on it

[obtuse harbor]

Bro

Huh

I need a place to look my guy xD

[last matrix]

check #volunteer-projects ?

[tulip orbit]

library!

[obtuse harbor]

o.o

That’s a channel

[last matrix]

the park is a place

i dont get it... are you looking for a place where there's a bunch of people also working on their portfolios?

like they just meet up in a field?

anywhere with free wifi seems like a good spot

[unborn lotus]

@obtuse harborhttps://polycount.com/categories/c44

[last matrix]

thats a website, not a place 😛

[unborn lotus]

oh snap, that's right

games conferences then?

[last matrix]

i guess there are some free ones

but do you really go to them to work on a portfolio?

maybe get advice

i guess there's some experience in it

[night grove]

To me this sounds like a maker space or library would be the place to go

Or an accelerator program

[unborn lotus]

you could bring a laptop and just ask people, hey, can I work for free on your game? And you just quickly do it then and there

[last matrix]

lol

[night grove]

Sounds legit

I had a dentist offer to tell me his football app idea. He only required a 50/50 split.

If I made it.

[last matrix]

sounds about right, 50 for the idea, and the other 50 for... the work

itd be a good deal if he pays you first to make it

[night grove]

Strangely that app never materialized 🤔

[last matrix]

so many good ideas dont 😢

[night grove]

I don't even know if it was a good idea

He didn't tell me the idea

[last matrix]

shoulda just agreed, hard to prove without a written statement

[night grove]

lol

I claim this idea in the name of the king!

Weebs? This? https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/10/travel/dog-istanbul-boji-cnnphotos/

XD

I'm a weeb

Kindof

Not a very good one

finally watched one punch man this week

S1

[last matrix]

thats okay, i didnt want to know

[cursive crypt]

Weebs

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aKtAW4fIqA&ab_channel=GalaxyTopTen

👌

[last matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-math-what-wtf-peep-gif-6081931

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tll7b-fFrwc

[last matrix]

why are you listening to this, i dont expect an answer

[zinc matrix]

idk

weeb vibes got me

😄

time to make something in ue or shred on guitar to get exp from satan

been playing every day for a week

you play so much that you start to hate it, but there's nothing you can do and there's no escape

you just shred till you get high and feel good lol

[last matrix]

usually until my fingers start bleeding, yes

but the callouses helps that

[zinc matrix]

i put nail polish on fingers

it helps

makes fingers feel heavy and kinda sweaty once you play

• swag points

😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5t2kDqvoYY&ab_channel=JoeSatriani-Topic

[last matrix]

there's a better use of your ears

[zinc matrix]

true

not something you listen everyday

[last matrix]

the satch?

[zinc matrix]

the what

lol

[last matrix]

i use to listen to him a lot

i like marty friedman a little more

and steve vai

[zinc matrix]

jack white

the kills

for riffs

green day and blink for buzz and emo vibes

[last matrix]

hmm i guess we differ in taste

[zinc matrix]

nah, I like country and oldschool too

[last matrix]

anyways....

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-exiting-uncomfortable-leaving-now-gif-14492345

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-panic-key-peele-sweat-scared-gif-4656331

[quasi mantle]

This was the stuff with Wombo lol

[zinc matrix]

who's wombo lol

[zinc matrix]

does someone there has fortnite.. and 2 free minutes ? 😄 I would like to test somethings with item pickups in creative to understand how they handle auto pickups.

From what i understand now

• pawn who dropped pickups has a 10 seconds pending timer before be able to overlap pickup and auto pickup it
  and i want to know if this timer is also applied to other players.

[verbal junco]

true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-JkeXK4dU

[median wraith]

the launcher offline mode is really useful I have to say (Sarcasm)

Like the offline button don't work, if you press login later then you get connection errors so you cannot even go the lib panel

[thick belfry]

From reddit

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-loopy-weary-tired-gif-13814179

[tulip orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/sip-drink-coffee-hot-drink-unimpressed-gif-11612795

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-high-coffee-coffee-boy-coffee-kid-encanto-gif-24425454

[tulip orbit]

does that make everything you drink a pasta dish?

like, if I drink rum thru pasta, its now a meal?

[tulip orbit]

like these? https://external-preview.redd.it/v1EUGxMnapWAcEgZRm3SNa5lwYy5-Y7NPW2bns_iuFE.jpg?auto=webp&s=ef9b1aaa50f14ac4b71fa5e79f925f513eaff4a7

I want : https://imgur.com/gallery/8v627hA

[tulip orbit]

select all, hit "delete"

[fathom wadi]

this is just personal preference but I never use while()

[night grove]

You aren't wrong. See also: best way to eliminate bugs.

[verbal junco]

while (true) { if (b == true) break; }

the best loop

[opaque quail]

hi, everyone.

[tulip orbit]

I'm not everyone, but hello 🙂

[cursive crypt]

Whatcha doin' ponkkis? Leave the moon alone, I want it tomorrow back.

[mossy nexus]

flipped notmals

[cursive crypt]

nitted formals

[night grove]

do while on the other hand. Sus

I had a network engineer confide in me that he would use throw catch in his netcode as a way to get gotos in

In C#

Bonus points if there are multiple goto each going in different directions. Spaghetti code! Nested loops!

Oh wait. You could make nested distributed loops with enough goto

[verbal junco]

bool SomeFunction()
{
  return SomeFunction();
}

fite me

no but see the endless loop is the point

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

fits perfectly into the plan for our new 🇻erse overlords then

that's no moon

[median wraith]

someone posted a shader for the moon recently @zinc matrix

not sure if you spotted that one

[strange cloud]

I may have made some typos but the bools are superfluous. You can use the value directly to infer a few things.

local atmosphere = game.Lighting.Atmosphere
local rising = true
local value = 0
local step = 0.005;

while true do
    wait()

    atmosphere.Density = value
    value += step

    if value >= 1 then
        step = -0.005
    elseif value <= 0 then
        step = 0.005
    end
end

[primal summit]

not endless, you'll overflow the stack with return addresses eventually

[zinc matrix]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/photography-darkroom?sessionInvalidated=true

easy idea

photographer starts seeing ghosts in pictures and goes insane

get's teleported to locations in pictures

just to realise he never even left the room

end of the story

😂

that's heavy

and he's been dead all the time

not really

[verbal junco]

isnt this the premise for layers of fear

[zinc matrix]

no

those were paintings

but yeah

same shit

lol

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/charm-charming-blink-blinking-wink-gif-16685104

[zinc matrix]

but in layers of fear you didn't get teleported out of the house

here you can teleport to some medieval town and get stabbed by a bunch of nuns in church

👍

but photos really started to appear in 1900

so yeah

you know those shitty black and white photos

[night grove]

https://tenor.com/view/nun-evil-the-nun-scary-creepy-gif-17859741

[zinc matrix]

that just look haunted

[night grove]

Is it like this?

[zinc matrix]

a bit

[night grove]

A haunted picture of a nun that only the viewer can see?

Shiz. Now I'm going to have nightmares tonight.

[tulip orbit]

his mom

[cursive crypt]

repeat N

[boreal moss]

something curious happened in my linkedin account

saw a post, disagreed with the content, and liked a comment that was opposing it

then my account somehow automatically posted that as mine

I mean, the original post

is this a normal linkedin mechanic I dont know about

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsWrdXY9BWI&ab_channel=AdultSwim

smooth af

🥣

when that cereal is falling down

makes me wanna get some cheetos and cereal with a milk lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XKKXhJUmto&ab_channel=AdultSwim

bruh

[spring parcel]

when your ide uses more cpu than ue4 💀

[night grove]

When you are compiling?

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euRJexJEHKM

[spring parcel]

nah it was cashing some things

[zinc matrix]

dude makes you wanna get in kitchen and burn shit up lol

[night grove]

Oh yeah that.... "Didn't you do that last time I started you!?!"

IDE: "Imma ruin his whole day"

Buy more ram?

I had to do that recently. Kept getting out of memory crashes.

[night grove]

Yes

Money fixes causes all my problems

[median wraith]

https://kotaku.com/crytek-threatens-modder-with-legal-action-over-crysis-p-1848364501

[night grove]

Oh yeah this is so sad

It's like "I'm the PR guy for Crysis. I don't want any good PR"

Which program? I thought I hid that program

[verbal junco]

a modder also has a massive amount of money so suing makes perfect sense here

slam your community, bite the hand that feeds you, it's a win win

[zinc matrix]

Still annoyed that this happens by default when you drag out a float to debug. Why would anyone want to plug it into time?

[night grove]

This just stems from generic BP code trying to attach lines correctly for you based on type

I agree it is annoying though

[night grove]

That is an interesting name for text based debugging

I should use that to piss off the hoity toity non-game devs I encounter that don't know how to use a debugger

[regal pecan]

to modify CRYSIS REMASTERED – including but not limited to create, develop, distribute, or use any unauthorized software programs (“cheats”, “hacks”, etc.) to gain any advantage in any game mode or to run or use methods which interfere with the outcome and/or the course of the gameplay of CRYSIS REMASTERED (including cheats, bots, scripts, etc.) - or create any derived work.
I wonder if the EULA was updated to include that last passage. I'm not sure how the dash causes that sentence to be read, legally. It could be read as "to modify CRYSIS REMASTERED - or create any derived work", which means no screenshots at all.

[night grove]

Wait. I broke @zinc matrix ?

[trail wedge]

why do you think they keep reacting 🇵

[night grove]

I have no idea 🤷‍♂️

I talk about TTP and the whole server explodes

https://tenor.com/view/trust-the-process-ttp-sixers-76ers-sam-hinke-gif-23871471

[trail wedge]

Alternative Retelling: You made #cpp play a guessing game over the word "penis"....

[night grove]

Ssshhh...

I don't even want to know what THAT TTP was

[zinc matrix]

the relax time at night

[tribal cipher]

anyone use the addon vis ai yet?

its free on the marketplace

[tulip orbit]

I'm tired but not sure I could sleep

[left granite]

😶‍🌫️

[last matrix]

i hear that

[tulip orbit]

how? I didnt say it out loud

[zinc matrix]

you thought!

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-hamster-every-step-you-take-every-move-you-make-i-will-be-watching-you-gif-17721709

[zinc matrix]

hamsters are so cute

[night grove]

https://tenor.com/view/vagrant-queen-syfy-winnibot-empathy-empathic-gif-17146333

[tulip orbit]

and tasty

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-idk-gif-19781478

[last matrix]

sometimes you can read something and then hear it very clearly in your head

i gave you a very high pitched voice too

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/9QFpAvU.jpg

[last matrix]

sorta, good enough

[left granite]

lmao

[cursive crypt]

But you have no voice?

[last matrix]

the part to be concerned of is that this device makes you read

[zinc matrix]

Good to know

Adding a C++ class means I can't open up the project XD

[zinc matrix]

It's back now (?)

[thick belfry]

https://youtube.com/shorts/z3_mfAbL21Y?feature=share

[cursive crypt]

What happened with the UE4 devs? They boomers now?

[zinc matrix]

What do you mean?

[mossy nexus]

Boomers as in the original definition or boomers as in just people older than other people? 😄

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awg3cWuHfoc&ab_channel=A24

has the ring and classic scary movie vibe to it

that vibe that horror movies had before they turned into copy paste

😄

[cursive crypt]

Definitely old.

[restive bloom]

what's the programmer parlor?

[carmine frigate]

All your rights are belong to us

[cursive crypt]

I have some lefts too

[tulip orbit]

are they sure it was a volcano and not just a whale fart?

[verbal junco]

actual satellite footage of someone's house when unreal crashes without saving

[cursive crypt]

Explosion on slow motion.

[carmine frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYla6q3is6w

biggest explosion ever filmed

[cursive crypt]

wow

The vfx

[carmine frigate]

well the sun has been filmed, but on earth 😛

https://tenor.com/view/st-helens-eruption-1980eruption-landslide-gif-16737777

[cursive crypt]

Man, that mountain really blew.

Not even Marvel does that.

[tulip orbit]

tell that to the residents of sokovia 🙂

[cursive crypt]

Does it still exist 🤔

[tulip orbit]

only partially 😉

[verbal junco]

we're currently right above the mt st helens volcano and there's no question it's started erupting
okay, and you still thought it smart to be like "hey let's fly really close to the volcano here now"

[carmine frigate]

it was only a small volcano 😛

[verbal junco]

pyroclastic clouds are about 1000 degrees of hot smoky debris coming at you at 800 km/h

just a small volcano though, so it'll only kill you once

RIP

[carmine frigate]

ye and he was over 15km away in an area deemed safe

[dim ruin]

Got a chuckle out of this

[narrow patrol]

In theory their storage is still unbounded, since they need to store unread messages until all recipients have seen them right?

[dim ruin]

You could treat it like a pool and limit your storage needs tremendously

[carmine frigate]

@verbal junco I see a docu on it last week , pretty good

[dim ruin]

So it'd only be a problem if you had a large amount of users that never check their messages. I think snapchat only lets messages live for like 24 hours or something anyway so you would still have a predictable max storage requirement.

[shell rapids]

---

Well that escalated quickly! 😆

[tulip orbit]

Ok, back to playing Witcher3, or try and figure out why I added a thirdperson climbing system to my vehicle-based RPG?

[fathom wadi]

roly poly game

[tulip orbit]

play witcher3 you say?

[fathom wadi]

well unless you do roly polys whilst you do dev work, I'd say yep :p

[tulip orbit]

what you mean by "roly polys" ?

[fathom wadi]

when I played TW3 I spent 90% of combat rolling around on the floor dodging things 😄

[tulip orbit]

oh. Yeah, I spend 50% of it dodging, 50% just standing there getting hit

as for dev work I'm kiiinda lost on what to do next... I dont wanna spend more time animating until I know what my character is gonna look like, and even use the ue4 skel. My thought is to maybe start looking at it as "ok, player starts the game, what does he need to do" possibly start the quest and dialogue systems?

[fathom wadi]

yeah don't get bogged down with animation for too long. It's soul destroying unless you smoke a tonne of weed and phase out 😄

last time I burned out was doing manual animation with control rig. You get really used to retargetting generic animations but when you need to do custom stuff it goes on forever. This was before you could retarget to control rig though so I guess its better now

[tulip orbit]

I could use a crouch animation, and lots more climbing ones, but yeah so much work. Still learning control rig and not a very good animator either way

[fathom wadi]

animations is hard work. Especially getting it right. even a simple ladder climb animation can be tough to get it to look right

[tulip orbit]

I could import the anim starter pack to use as placeholders/starter point in the meantime I guess

heh, yeah I made a ledge climb animation... its extremely janky, and I think I screwed up as I moved his body by the pelvis bone instead of the root_control or whatever, so transitioning from the climb anim back to walking he kinda pops in the air a little

[zinc matrix]

just get motion capture suit

👌

[tulip orbit]

motion capturing ME climbing a ledge will just look incredibly sad 😦

[zinc matrix]

I mean you get workout too

[fathom wadi]

I bought a motion capture suit but it escaped anyway

[zinc matrix]

instead of sitting all day making animation lol

[fathom wadi]

even with a mocap suit, sometimes you have to manually animate as I'm not a superhero stuntman :p

[tulip orbit]

I'd need atleast 6mo of intense training before I'd be in good enough shape to remotely look as physically capable as the player character

[zinc matrix]

yeah

[tulip orbit]

I'd be great for capturing fall animations tho!

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGzeYuWTJ_E&

[fathom wadi]

I'd be great with sitting in my chair and not moving for 10 weeks at a time

[zinc matrix]

https://www.qualisys.com/accessories/mocap-suits/q-mocap-suit-one-piece/

500 eur

but you need specific camera for it right?

[tulip orbit]

no idea

[median wraith]

https://twitter.com/216doe/status/1482430023785238530

Boom (@216doe)

I’d delete the game. https://t.co/UGqtZsuw0m

Retweets

3200

Likes

13985

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Twitter · Jan 15, 2022, 7:10 PM

[median wraith]

It's getting better

idk

[deep glen]

@median wraith its YY:MM

not MM:SS

[quasi mantle]

It's all localised in someone's kitchen

and then fire dept. comes in 🚒

[quasi mantle]

Finished 2nd smh

[median wraith]

https://twitter.com/cybereality/status/1482467167383678977?t=0xt0qHUNkI4N8N-aC_dJhQ

Andres Hernandez (@cybereality)

Just tested the new @NVIDIAGeForce SSRTGI in Portal 2 and the graphics are next gen! It's incredible this even works on such an old game. Look at the results for yourself.
https://t.co/ETXnVjh5Wk

Twitter · Jan 15, 2022, 9:38 PM

technically nvidia added ssrtgi for every app as filter

[regal pecan]

wonder what the RT is needed for in screenspace

[median wraith]

yeah it is

well you need a rtx

like it's using the rt cores for this

🤷🏻‍♂️

[regal pecan]

mmmm, glitchy colorbleeding
my favorite

[median wraith]

imagine that crysis 1 looks better than the remaster

[regal pecan]

that's not hard.

[quasi mantle]

ReShade doing the same thing for months and doesn't get the same praise

https://youtu.be/u0du7newiPA

[zinc matrix]

Is nativization even possible

At this point it seems more like a legend

[rugged jetty]

yes

but not in ue5

[zinc matrix]

I'm not having luck in ue4 either XD

[last matrix]

yeah, ive had some issues with nativization, some bps work, some throw errors, i feel like its the ones that use structs, but im not certain

[verbal junco]

it's being deprecated

do not use

[trail wedge]

but me and hot reload are in love!

[regal pecan]

Maintain old features < == > Add new features

[unreal cedar]

nativization was never really in a good state, it was always sort of iffy. Not really much of a loss.

[tulip orbit]

in VS, how to turn off auto-indent? its starting to really piss me off

[cursive crypt]

Don't use VS

Use... duno what, notepad++

[tulip orbit]

:p

[cursive crypt]

There is sure an option for it tho. Might have used it years ago 🤔

[tulip orbit]

yeah I think I looked how to change settings a few days ago, but I dont remember right now

[cursive crypt]

There are many things like it. So rarely used, you forget them.

Like I can't remember from yesterday, how I was supposed to isolate a partial mesh in Blender 😩

[tulip orbit]

I was going to remind you, but I thought it'd be funnier if I didnt.

[cursive crypt]

Its fine, I think I remember. I'm just old.

[quasi mantle]

There might be settings somewhere, but my habit is just to Undo once to undo the auto indentation

[zinc matrix]

👍 Good to know, cheers

[thick belfry]

It is

Had this issue literally yesterday on the BPs with structs

That said nativization bumped my fps up with 30 so still worth it

On just 3 BPs

If something is tick heavy probably a good idea to look into it

[zinc matrix]

Or use timers if you can get away with it

[median wraith]

that one is an injector from what I know so can get you banned?

[cursive crypt]

I did a student's homework for c++
Why, this is so degrading 😭

[median wraith]

Degrading why exactly ?

also why you have todo their homework ?

[quasi mantle]

Degrading the integrity, doing child's play, I guess

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[thick belfry]

I run it on a low timer instead of tick and nativization still improved it heavily

[median wraith]

Another day in my country

[verbal junco]

I watched this, it was pretty good

not oscar material but worth the 25 seconds

[cursive crypt]

Nice hobbies.

[celest musk]

looks like my experience with groom

[turbid spindle]

:no_entry_sign: Lagfx#4824 was banned.

[steel jackal]

np, ty

[zinc matrix]

Idea for a VR game if anyone cares: orangutan simulator

Play as an orangutan to clear a course of swinging through trees

[tulip orbit]

whilst dodging poachers

[idle zodiac]

Wasted a lot of time making this ORB i'm not going to use. Why am i like this.

[zinc matrix]

yes

[warped pine]

Game development demands tribute of designers' tears and programmers' will to live.

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-palantir-gif-19765279

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/ตกใจ-หัน-gif-18721530

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-andysamberg-story-thankyou-cool-story-bro-gif-5865729

[night grove]

It is just a sphere that took me 1/4 second to look at. Couldn't have taken you more than 5 seconds to make it! /s

-> The pain you feel when no one appreciates how long it ACTUALLY takes to make things

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBl1NmZ2OE&ab_channel=AnemoiapolisGame

👌

[zinc matrix]

not so much

[split quarry]

I have a whole project filled things like that. That is called learning :D

[zinc matrix]

This seems more like terror than horror (there's a difference as far as I know)

[tulip orbit]

the guy on the balcony below me is smoking some really great smelling stuff

and speaking of horror tho, I've been coding for a while but havent tested anything yet... 😬

[zinc matrix]

Apparently dynamic material instances only sometimes work for me too 😐

[night grove]

The true test of a programmer's skill is how many loc they can write and still have it compile the first try!

[zinc matrix]

Like those tutorials where no testing is done until the end

[tulip orbit]

I compiled a little while ago to test if I could do something with delegates, had 3 errors to fix 😦

[zinc matrix]

"this will work because I'm a c++ genius and you are not"

[night grove]

Then they spend 30 minutes in the middle of the tutorial problem solving

[tulip orbit]

but havent tested functions

[night grove]

THEN post another video / comment with the solution

[tulip orbit]

:p 😉

[turbid spindle]

:warning: Failed to send a DM. User will not be notified.

:no_entry_sign: Misali#9094 was banned.

[dense storm]

Too slow @broken sigil

[tulip orbit]

...is this a abbot and costello routine?

[broken sigil]

Yep, I'm getting old 🥲

[tulip orbit]

who's on first is a pretty damn popular routine, even in todays age

https://youtu.be/kTcRRaXV-fg

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtxI61oXJU&ab_channel=NamesElroy

[last matrix]

did they also run the same stuff as the san andreas remaster? lol. looks like most of it was cranking up the saturation on its washed out textures

[quasi mantle]

Seems even less than that and just straight up port

[zinc matrix]

idk, looks like fan made

[quasi mantle]

The twitter and the company has gone dormant after Prototype 2

[quasi mantle]

Definitively a mock trailer

[last matrix]

oh boy, Prototype.....

[muted hill]

$unpaid

[last matrix]

ive not done this before, but i think you need to @ Manny with the command

sorry if its bad advice 😛

[muted hill]

it ok

[turbid spindle]

@ionic flame, :8ball: My reply is no.

[last matrix]

its not ! for job postings though, its $

[turbid spindle]

@ionic flame, :8ball: Better not tell you now.

[last matrix]

lol alright, unrelated

indeed

[quasi mantle]

DM @turbid spindle directly

[idle zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-terry-jeffords-terry-crews-8ball-crush-gif-3854649

[zinc matrix]

any good gmod maps with that comforting liminal space feeling?

also without missing textures

[tulip orbit]

unlikely

[cursive crypt]

Play games, they help escape reality and thus that asylum.

[tulip orbit]

unless I play a game that takes place in an asylum

[zinc matrix]

exactly

never ending nightmare

unless you're the writer of story

[tulip orbit]

almost never am

[tulip orbit]

🤔

[gleaming slate]

Well I am truly committed to this work from home thing, now.. cracks knuckles where did I leave the visual studios at 😄

[night grove]

Nice! Have enough RGB?

Answer: Never enough

Love it!

[narrow patrol]

See I've got this problem where I can only use one keyboard and mouse at a time

[deep glen]

I tried multiboxing, i can barely focus on one screen.

[gleaming slate]

funny thing is I use to 40 box on the machine to the left lol, boy that was a lot of clicking 😛

[median wraith]

I requested a invoice with the european VAT to oculus quest 3 months ago

they sent me an invoice of the last and only product game I bought in their store, rather than the Oculus Quest 2

once I told them I needed the actual hardware one they ghosted me

now 3 months later they send me this to value their support

[deep glen]

rofl

[fathom wadi]

I'd have written something similar, although slightly saltier than that. Something along the lines of "Since Oculus became part of Facebook, life has less meaning"

[median wraith]

The problem is I needed the invoice and never had it, so whatever...

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[verbal junco]

playing games requiring friends
there's your first mistake 😏

[night grove]

Truth. Blizzard has unfortunately been dead for years.

[fathom wadi]

hardly dead, they have several games still in life cycle, they released the, admittedly outsourced, Diablo 2 resurrected at xmas, they have a new IP coming out and people still play all of the other games on Battle.net

[night grove]

Dead because the original staff have long since left or been fired

It isn't the same company anymore, just a shell

😢 Don't remind me

And Westwood

So many good studios dead

[fathom wadi]

if you factor in the people who left, they still exist in other companies. 😉

[night grove]

If you consider the soul of a company to be its employees. What does that mean for the company when the soul leaves?

[fathom wadi]

I wouldn't disagree with that

[night grove]

This hits hard. I worked for Activision once.

[fathom wadi]

I worked for myself a couple of years ago, but I left due to burnout :p

[night grove]

Haha. I've fired myself

When a startup idea failed and I had to work for someone else

Hired myself again recently. We'll see how this relationship works out

[fathom wadi]

I'd ruin Sylvannas ¬_¬

[night grove]

Oh God no

I hate the censorship that has gripped Blizzard

[fathom wadi]

we have a special relationship. I can spell her name anyway I like as long as I put out

[night grove]

IKR?

[fathom wadi]

They did remove Tracers arse for a while tho

I never understood why people get in a twiz about such things. Sex sells, its a fact of life

[night grove]

It is puritanical US roots that largely drive it

Lorash is going to say something about me being a puritan now

XD

[fathom wadi]

I thought a puritan was when you left crushed up tomatoes in the sun too long. ¬_¬

[night grove]

General phrase for when you think nudity = sex

And sex = evil

[fathom wadi]

oh I know. The puritans were the 14th century twitterati :p

[tall root]

Wasup

[night grove]

I don't want to violate any rules here so I won't go into details, but I was raised in a very puritan cult

[fathom wadi]

Me too. Catholic

[night grove]

Makes me super sensitive about saying anything people might think is bad

[fathom wadi]

facts dont care about feelings though 🙂

[night grove]

Also makes me hate myself

[tall root]

Anyone here remember Infinity Blade?

[fathom wadi]

yeah

[night grove]

Not supposed to get into religion or politics

[fathom wadi]

we all have the assets in our library

[night grove]

Oh actually maybe that's not a rule here

With TTP I was worried about violating rule 6

Sad to say, this is as close to a social life as I have rn

[verbal junco]

blizzard has been dead (to me) since after D2LoD

[night grove]

I concur

[fathom wadi]

this has been my social life for the past X years. Since it was actually on Slack

I still appreciate them. I'm a fan of Overwatch and Heroes of the Storm. I bought the D2r game too for the feels

[night grove]

Too much of the Activision management took over Blizzard

HOTS should have done better

It was such a good take on MOBA

But players are so stuck in doing the same thing over and over

[verbal junco]

heart of the swarm

obvs

[night grove]

Oh yeah

oops

[fathom wadi]

HOTS was great, its just hard to make a moba into an esport unless its easy to understand and narrate. But I think people disliked the way fights took too long, unlike LOL where you get blammo'd in an instant

[night grove]

Instead they try to use policy to make sure they don't lose out on something like DOTA

[verbal junco]

yeah valve taking the reins is literally the best thing that could have happened to the franchise

[night grove]

Yeah. They made certain of that, but not in the way they think

[tall root]

You guys know if you can run iOS code in UE?

It's so sad that infinity blade is iOS only

[verbal junco]

🤔

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kGNxHdgjEY last time I played HOTS. Was a while ago but yeah

[tall root]

Yeah run iOS program through window with unreal

[verbal junco]

they're posting in the right place then 😏

[tall root]

Sorry

I just don't know where to ask

Yes

[fathom wadi]

yo ho ho and a bottle of scum

[night grove]

You do know everyone here is trying to make a living selling games?

[tall root]

No

[deep glen]

@mint cedar I also had a cat called Spookje.

[mint cedar]

ooooh, how was he ?

[fathom wadi]

unless you own the franchise, you cant do anything with it

[deep glen]

@mint cedar sadly she was one of the cats we gave away from the litter, we already had too many cats. but I still remember her fondly

[unreal cedar]

fwiw there are assets released by epic themselves from infinity blade that I believe can be used with any unreal project. Ripping data from the game itself is a no-no, however.

[fathom wadi]

indeed

[tall root]

Don't know what udn is

[night grove]

Epic is extremely generous with their assets, information, etc. No one here wants to upset that balance.

[fathom wadi]

UDN is the unreal developer network for licensees

[unreal cedar]

It's probably a random person's attempt at recreating infinity blade.

It's not the game itself.

[mint cedar]

wel she will have a great home, thanks to you a life has been given and a family got a new member

[unreal cedar]

Oh, lol.

Anyway, this isn't the place to talk about ripped data, stolen projects, etc. If you want to do something with infinity blade legally you can use some of the assets in your own unrelated game - https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/free-infinity-blade-collection-marketplace-release

[fathom wadi]

I thought that was Fortnite

(not salty about not having a complete Unreal 4 at all)

[unreal cedar]

UT4 lives on in our hearts

[fathom wadi]

yeah it must have been done with VS2015 right?

[unreal cedar]

People in this server generally don't have a good impression of people trying to use ripped or stolen content. I suggest you drop the subject.

[verbal junco]

ban speedrun any%

[tall root]

Alright

[fathom wadi]

Just use the assets they gave us for free and make Forever Knife or something

[unreal cedar]

lmao

Bonus points for rhyming with fortnite

damn, spelled it wrong

[night grove]

Doesn't rhyme but should be castleday

[tall root]

Well, this was my last resort, so I guess I'll just clear up some space while I'm at it

[unreal cedar]

infinity blade -> forever knife -> fortnite
damn fortnite was infinity blade 4 all along

[deep glen]

<_<

[night grove]

Wow that went over my head before you pointed it out. That is amazing.

[tall root]

Finite blade

At least I can play infinity blade on my mac

That's cool

The mechanics are not optimized for keyboard and mouse, but I am getting used to it

Lost all my progress yesterday though 😢

[fathom wadi]

I was looking for a new game to play and figured it's time I played Nier Automata. So I read the description on XBOX game pass and this tickled me.

[tall root]

This game is glitchy as hell

Aight I'm gonna go now see ya

[solar nebula]

Videogames

[zinc matrix]

suck

[dim ruin]

So I'm noticing an overwhelming abundance of games that use words for their magic systems like dark magic, shadow magic and light magic instead of black magic and white magic. Looking for opinions on this. I get the feeling people are worried about somehow getting backlash for black and white magic, even though those are the commonly used and documented names throughout history.

Do you feel like either of those have any racial implications or anything that would cause developers to avoid their usage?

[zinc matrix]

probably

[dim ruin]

but why?

[zinc matrix]

rpg's mostly use fairytale magic

horror games use real magic and rituals hidden in games

[dim ruin]

I'm looking for peoples interpretations on why that gets avoided.

[zinc matrix]

it should be black magic and good magic

or just magic

[dim ruin]

like, imho simply having white magic and black magic as opposing magic schools shouldn't be offensive to anyone. I associate them to their traditional uses like demonology, voodoo, witchcraft etc

[zinc matrix]

yeah

[dim ruin]

Just seems like most games avoid their usages and trying to figure out why (I'm in the process of defining my game's schools of magic/damage etc)

[zinc matrix]

you should just give names to different sides and describe what kind of magic they use

[quasi mantle]

Nah, Final Fantasy still use colour magicks.

[dim ruin]

dividing magic schools by faction doesn't work for me

[dim ruin]

Oh really? I didn't know that. I must have completely forgotten that

oh they do too

[quasi mantle]

For the magics themselves, FF still went with black magic (offence magicks) and white magic (defence/restoration magicks). Mages, or those that cast magicks, are often Black Mage and White Mage, but some FF games extend to Red Mage, and in FF14, Blue Mage.

I think this goes the same with many Japanese RPGs as opposed to something exclusive to Final Fantasy.

[dim ruin]

I see it depends on which final fantasy. some deviate quite a bit. It probably varies by who developed which ones

I just don't want to go with the cliche WoW schools of magic but I also don't want to use stupid names for the sake of "being unique" lol

[zinc matrix]

stop thinking and just create, edit later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p_1QSUsbsM&ab_channel=QueenOfficial

👌

[quasi mantle]

Well, my own project is almost ripping off Final Fantasy magicks in its entirety that's for sure lmao

The classes are Black Mage and White Mage, with Red Mage is mix of Black Mage and Warrior, and Blue Mage is mix of White Mage and Fighter.

The magicks themselves are three tier magicks, at the moment still using FF namings verbatim (e.g. Fire, Fira, Firaga)

[dim ruin]

FF does have a neat way of organizing things

[trail wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxoKuhPca-A

I like the filter effects better in the original

no I mean music

sounds more "digital"

fists the aesthetic better because of the franticness of the lyrics matching up with the pace of the internet imo

have you heard this cover?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuqDSGUBMr8

I do and it's always hit or very miss

some people are really good at English covers but I just found this one

oh I agree 100%

it's mega cringe sometimes

well this season the SnK/AoT op is already in English and it's not hard to understand lol

sometimes the "English" Japanese ops are so far from real English

I don't watch dubs 99% of the time, there are a few that are actually good

that's what I was talking about

but this time they did a good job

maybe metal is easier to sing?

I dunno the last one had made up words, this one was clear

why would that matter?

oh I know but the only people asking that are people who don't know the plot

that show drops so many hints that you find out about later lol

it's fun watching it a 2nd time imo

I'm not spoiled but I think the ending has been spelled out for a long time

if they didn't want to make you guess it already, they wouldn't have had certain things happen

I think

I'll let you know if I was right when it's over

ehh worth a shot

ahhh I've been listening to this recently that you might like?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atvsg_zogxo

hadn't heard about it, I'll take a peek

yeh I haven't been following anything new just watching stuff I already started

been thinking of checking out the Inuyasha follow up series just 'cause

the style and some elements kinda remind me of FLCL

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-20277729

[trail wedge]

strong start so far

I like the phlanger effects

another solid choice tank

If you wanna see something a bit weird here's a neat take on the Mega Man story (in song form)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ8jyGVioxg

[unreal cedar]

Act 3 when ;_;

[unreal cedar]

haven't listened to the protomen in way too long, time to listen to the only two tracks available for act 3... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n0riRTNHxnqH6ug6_O1jEPoPr143xTDcE

[trail wedge]

yeh those come up in my mixes

I only use YouTube in autoplay for music

[unreal cedar]

I saw them live a couple of times. iirc the last time I saw them (which was in like... 2016 or 2017) they played a couple of new act 3 tracks that still haven't released lol

[trail wedge]

lol that's pretty awesome

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-spaghetti-gif-5040490

[trail wedge]

!8ball will #cpp become bored enough to actually come to #lounge?

[turbid spindle]

@trail wedge, :8ball: Without a doubt.

[unreal cedar]

I don't believe you

[trail wedge]

hrmmm does this count?

[unreal cedar]

Yesn't

[trail wedge]

give me the code for the spinning cube now!

looking at the source for how the BP node works won't tell me how to do it in c++

[steep jolt]

does someone know where i can find a 3d model of this ?

dont know if this is the right place to ask aha

[zinc matrix]

Looks pretty easy to model to me

You could do it yourself after a few hours figuring out how to use a modelling program of your choice

[steep jolt]

oh yeah iknow with blender, i will give it a try

[celest musk]

yea looks like a good object to learn a bit

[quasi mantle]

What is this gizmo anyway?

Oh great, a quack pseudo science product lol

At least it's good for a fictional prop

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/kawaii-neko-kon-neko-dan-moka-gif-5238817

That climbing reminds me of neko paws

[turbid spindle]

:no_entry_sign: Mocacherazoccldmamt#4618 was banned.

[tulip orbit]

I wonder if manny keeps track of how many nitro scammers he's banned

[deep glen]

im sure pfist could track it

[tropic sphinx]

Microsoft is buying Activision Blizzard guys

[tulip orbit]

is that good or bad?

dont think I've played any of their games for a long time

[tranquil sonnet]

I don't think people liked Activision Blizzard much as a company, so probably good news for fans of all those games.

[zinc matrix]

that's a good news tbh

at least they will have good leaders now 🙂

nvm.. seems like bobby kotick will remains at Activision Blizzard. 😐

[quasi mantle]

The worst it could get is somehow all future ActiBlizz games become Xbox/Windows exclusive.

[zinc matrix]

Never

[quasi mantle]

Well, it happens with Zenimax

[zinc matrix]

Xbox owns, bethesda and they don't made any of bethesda games xbox exclusive.

[zinc matrix]

not the same tho lol

how you want Starcraft, a pc game to be xbox exclusive

or candy crush..

or diablo

or WoW.........

CoD xbox exclusive ? would be a massive L, sales are already very bad for Vanguard on PC/XBOX/PS

Max they can do with CoD is having the exclusivity like it was back with BO2 (and games before) when they had newest features one month before PS

at this date, PS own the exclusivity deal on CoD, wonder if it will change now 🤔

https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1483431175041347584

Xbox (@Xbox)

Today is a historic moment. We are excited to announce that the world-renowned franchises and talented people at @ATVI_AB will be joining Team Xbox!

Full announcement details here: https://t.co/RwF0QgXVwE

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[tranquil sonnet]

Can't imagine PS having an exclusivity deal on a game that Microsoft now owns

[zinc matrix]

But it's a very good news if they fire bobby kotick

[zinc matrix]

yeah same lol

we will have more infos on it soon i guess

Until this transaction closes, Activision Blizzard and Microsoft Gaming will continue to operate independently. Once the deal is complete, the Activision Blizzard business will report to me as CEO, Microsoft Gaming.

So, bobby kotick fired ?? 🤔

[quasi mantle]

If Booby Kotick didn't get fired, he'd be under big bro Phil Spencer's watch.

[zinc matrix]

https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1483431818384846850

Nibel (@Nibellion)

Activision Blizzard will report to Phil Spencer as CEO

"Upon close, we will offer as many Activision Blizzard games as we can within Xbox Game Pass and PC Game Pass, both new titles and games from their catalogue"

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Twitter · Jan 18, 2022, 1:31 PM

[zinc matrix]

nah nah, get this mf out of the gaming industry

[zinc matrix]

https://twitter.com/charlieINTEL/status/1483442601378332674

CharlieIntel (@charlieINTEL)

Microsoft says: "Activision Blizzard games are enjoyed on a variety of platforms and we plan to continue to support those communities moving forward."

Twitter · Jan 18, 2022, 2:14 PM

so no xbox exclusivity

that's good news !

now fire kotick

[deep glen]

+1

[zinc matrix]

I'm considering moving all my content to mediawiki. The current system, wikidot is annoying because it keeps crashing the editor

[knotty skiff]

Is this a dream!?!?

COD finally on Steam!?!!?

[cursive crypt]

What is this? I can sense the color in it.

[visual breach]

U see Microsoft bought activision

[mossy nexus]

Who is this activision?

Who is Microsoft?

[cursive crypt]

Or... SoftAct & Co.

[unreal cedar]

Microsoft can now revive windows phone and put the most important app on there: candy crush

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/4chan-who-is-this-gif-5798670

[trail wedge]

MicroBlizz ActiSoft

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-cow-cows-chew-chewing-yum-gif-15533290

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-saul-goodman-desert-preparing-james-morgan-mcgill-gif-18582214

[dim ruin]

Activision Blizzard owns Candy Crush? I thought king.com owned it

[unreal cedar]

king is owned by ATVI

[dim ruin]

oh wow. I had no idea

king is super douchey

with an extra large side of douche

[unreal cedar]

They've been owned by activision since 2016.

[dim ruin]

for me, it was when they filed all those trademarks for the words "Candy" and "Saga"

[unreal cedar]

they didn't file patents, they filed trademarks.

[dim ruin]

you should see the trademarks too... full use of the words for all things

sorry, yes trademarks

like what fucking balls. and who the f approves these trademarks?

[unreal cedar]

And the issue wasn't that they filed trademarks, it was that they went after one specific game that had the term Saga in the name.

Trademarks exist for all kinds of common words, that isn't inherently a problem.

[dim ruin]

that was one action sure. its the intent they signaled by the trademarks

[regal pecan]

They also went after every game with the word Candy in the name.

[dim ruin]

their trademarks they were granted don't apply to just games

[unreal cedar]

The issue is how litigious they were about the terms, regardless of whether the trademark actually gave them any power in the situation.

[regal pecan]

It probably wouldn't have held up in court, but not too many people can afford to fight it all the way to federal court.

[dim ruin]

welcome to the west texas circuit courts

[regal pecan]

So in this case King was literally bullying for the sake of putting on a show for their shareholders.

[carmine frigate]

what if candy is a stripper?

[unreal cedar]

They don't have a trademark for that industry, and I don't think they want one.

[dim ruin]

I'd have to look at the trademark again but I wouldn't be surprised

[unreal cedar]

Trademarks are narrow by nature, having one doesn't give you the right for the mark across the board. Only for the specific uses you were granted the mark for.

[dim ruin]

This one isn't narrow lol check them out

[unreal cedar]

They may have filed for multiple industries, but that doesn't give them power over it for everything.

Also, King gave up the claim for "Candy" specifically.

[carmine frigate]

but candy is a stripper in a videogame obviously

[dim ruin]

They can challenge anything listed in the trademark and have a solid shot. Especially if it's picking on smaller entries without the funds to fight their bs

[unreal cedar]

You can file a lawsuit for anything you want and bully people regardless. It isn't a problem with trademarks specifically.

The "Saga" mark is very specifically for games, by the way.

[dim ruin]

Check candy lol it's not

[unreal cedar]

Candy wasn't granted.

[regal pecan]

Although trademark law is intricate enough that it's probably not as easy to get frivolous suits dismissed.

[unreal cedar]

It was withdrawn by King.

[carmine frigate]

great i can make my murderous stripper game

[dim ruin]

You sure. I'm pretty sure it was just the application I saw

[unreal cedar]

They filed an application, but withdrew it years ago before it was granted.

[dim ruin]

if so then I'll reduce their douche rating by 5

[unreal cedar]

I'm not a fan of King by any means, but the trademark application itself was never the issue.
The trademark was "broad" in that it covered a ton of stuff that probably was intended for merchandising. Which is pretty standard for a company trying to make a brand out of it.

that massive wall of text is basically games/technology, some weird misc stuff probably intended for merchandising, and... like 20 other rephrasings of games

[carmine frigate]

but is a metaverse a game?

[unreal cedar]

yesn't

[dim ruin]

that must have been amended as well because the original held all the typical blanket crap like scientific apparatus, even candy itself lol

[carmine frigate]

didnt it take the court 2 days to determine minecraft is a game in epic vs apple?

[dim ruin]

lol

[unreal cedar]

don't forget that peeley was naked

[carmine frigate]

yea but hes a banana

[unreal cedar]

"It's a banana, ma'am" is the best line from that trial

[carmine frigate]

games so offensive they cannot be named here

[dim ruin]

apple actually went after Peeley?

[unreal cedar]

Nah

it was a joke made during the trial

[carmine frigate]

it was a free4all, punches everywhere

[dim ruin]

was gonna say lol. Imagine being that judge

[unreal cedar]

Apple had peeley in a suit in some document, and apple's lawyer jokingly mentioned it was to keep him decent iirc

so epic's lawyer later said something about it, also jokingly. Might be mixing up who said what but that was the gist of it

[dim ruin]

https://y.yarn.co/838b214c-5076-4000-84e5-e3c90693e943_text.gif

oh! so I started playing around with vs code recently. I used to shit on it pretty bad when it first dropped but its actually pretty decent now for when you just wanna throw a folder of code in it and not mess with setting up a solution etc

I don't think I'd wanna work with UE4 in it but for quick and dirty stuff its nice

[cursive crypt]

Having a text editor is always nice.

[unreal cedar]

VSCode isn't a heavyweight IDE and it isn't meant to be.

It's great at what it does, doesn't need to do more.

I'm not going to fire up VS or Rider just to edit a random text file somewhere unless I already have the folder open, but VSCode sure.

[dim ruin]

it was able to keep the same solution open as my rider project with decent analysis/intellisense support and less than a half gig of memory, where rider has almost 5 gb in use

[cursive crypt]

s/VS*/Vim

[dim ruin]

not too shabby

I think it was 380ish mb in use

[unreal cedar]

s/vim/ed

[dim ruin]

I'd like to check out the java extension when I have a chance because I can't stand intellij for java

[thorny dock]

how could you showcase candy crush in-between world of warcraft and starcraft? is candy crush really a AAA production?

are we talking large amounts? or drake getting a $2 check every year from nickelodeon

because I could see both

[dim ruin]

we're talking scrooge mcduck amounts

[thorny dock]

https://tenor.com/view/scrooge-mcduck-money-gif-13447299

yep your right its number 24 on the ios app store, nice to see rocket league sideswiped is 1 above it at 23

[dim ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-fail-gold-dive-gif-3294352

yeah. most mobile game revenues suck ass but when a big one really makes it, its a metric buttload of moolah

Here's a fun question for everyone.

What is your favorite indie success story?

Mine is Stardew Valley. That guy started from nothing with no experience and really came through on top. I was really happy to see his success

[thorny dock]

Maybe ill come out of nowhere and make “turn right” and become a blockbuster

I'm not talking about a smash success, I mean about opening the worlds second to last blockbuster videos

Also damn I was thinking about that the other day, there was a really good success story but I can't remember, now it's going to bug me

the person who made Superliminal ended up doing really well, same with the guy who made Eye of the Temple VR, that was a really cool one

[night grove]

Activision Blizzard paid 5.9 billion when they acquired King

This should highlight the earnings from their portfolio

[zenith folio]

I'm new to Unreal and GameDev. I often get confused by concepts and voccabulary still foreign to me e.g. virtual textures, distance field, distance culling, frustrum, etc.
How could I learn about all these topics? Is it just computer graphics, so I could maybe read about it in a book? What would you recommend?

[fathom wadi]

and the porn. got to filter out that porn

[cursive crypt]

Ducks too

[fathom wadi]

you would have to be quackers to filter out ducks.

only the saucy onces

[verbal junco]

you laugh but it's true 😔

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dGpz6cnHo&ab_channel=KanePixels

pretty decent

[zinc matrix]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1111210/The_Backrooms_Game_FREE_Edition/

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it has vibes

makes me wanna download css and explore maps in gmod

same feeling

that warmth filled with nostalgia

[knotty skiff]

Rude way to put a description

[regal pecan]

knows his audience though

[last matrix]

you've never owned a pair of peach shoes?

yeah me neither 😆

its like when i see women who wear tan pants.... i have to wonder why they were made, whey there were bought, and why they decided it was a good idea to wear them

[wicked saddle]

Hi frens :3

[last matrix]

spicy chocolate sounds pretty good

[wicked saddle]

@misty field Do all your rebelling here, please :3

[misty field]

yes queen

[wicked saddle]

XD

Never been called a Queen before, girl could get used to this.

Scratch that, it'll get annoying :p

[left granite]

lol

[wicked saddle]

How is everyone this morning?

[left granite]

well school

[wicked saddle]

Hopefully this will help.

Breakfast time :3

[left granite]

AWWWWW

yep that helped

🙂

[wicked saddle]

hehe you're welcome. She does these adorable stretches in the morning, pets me instead looking for food :3

[left granite]

XD

[narrow patrol]

Real talk o'clock, any other solo devs feel like your to-do list just gets two new things on it for everything you finish, and then you get anxious you'll never ever be done?

[wicked saddle]

Schedule it. In general, that's the quickest way to scope creep. Instead list your tasks by day, and only a certain amount of tasks for the hours you'll be working.

[last matrix]

not when you plan out tasks, it usually starts at a large amount and for a long time it feels like it never goes down, then one day you can actually count down the number of tasks

[wicked saddle]

Anything that is more than the amount of tasks, or what you're capable of doing in a day. Put it on a list, schedule it for later in the week. You won't burn out as fast either.

[narrow patrol]

I'm allergic to scheduling. When I was in software engineering I watched so many projects burn constantly trying to make stupid deadlines work

[wicked saddle]

Then don't make stupid deadlines, you know what you need to get your project done. Set reasonable ones :p

You're in control now, friend.

[narrow patrol]

Nietzsche said "Glance into the world just as though time were gone: and everything crooked will become straight to you."

I really think deadlines make projects worse

[last matrix]

thats too bad

[wicked saddle]

He wasn't referring to a to-do list. :p

[last matrix]

lol it makes them better, but maybe it makes the person working on it feel bad

[narrow patrol]

Uh beg to differ on the chocolate front, my mom sent me this cayenne pepper chocolate that was fuckin lit