lounge

[carmine frigate]

i am so screwed when the AI overlords take over

[night grove]

Doesn't that lead to all the more validity to what he said? Manny = Expert... In all the things.

[drifting quest]

yoho

sup?

[quasi mantle]

At least it's not PHP pretending to be object oriented.
Screw Laravel in particular.

[drifting quest]

omg he said the php word!

burn!

😄

hey hey

worst coders every met came from php

[quasi mantle]

The raw PHP is okay I guess
But Laravel? Forced to work with it was like being tied to BDSM gizmos.

[quasi mantle]

I hate web dev money, no thanks.

[lost current]

anyone take a look at unity's weta announcement?

should be interesting. also curious how is verse going to play with C++/blueprints?

[pearl elk]

there are multi verses one for each

[trim vale]

Mildly amusing: Stronghold Crusader (an older Fireaxis RTS) apparently has a musical track called "apaneintheglass"

[pearl elk]

I think someones glass is abit raw

[red pewter]

it's being made by the Skookum script guys so I assume it will be somewhat similar?

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, it's weird, though at least the Meerkat demo didn't got deleted.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-billy-clanton-pistol-twirl-western-gif-16406900

[red pewter]

Weta artists and Weta engineering are apparently two different things

so maybe that's why?

I think Unity bought the engineering side

[pearl elk]

Enter the Wunity

https://tenor.com/view/morpheus-matrix-gif-11269779

[tribal dirge]

Off topic question, does anyone know of any programs that allow you to have a text overlay ongame, i want something to the side that lets me have preset notes, for a soundboard i'm using so i know what sounds are what 😂

[fluid bloom]

I concur

JS fucking sucks

weakly dynamically typed POS that forces you to make unit tests for the most trivial things possible

[pearl elk]

c++ harder than learning 20 written languages

but its fun when youre actually writing it and not boilerplate

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/to-rule-them-all-lord-gif-12367581

r/fanbase

[pearl elk]

yeah I think even carving elvish would be easier

I need mythril armour to protect me from all the compile errors

[carmine frigate]

that elvish looks like music notes.. cant be that hard

[pearl elk]

it says jungle is massif

[carmine frigate]

made in mordor

[cursive crypt]

tbf, with the years I run into less of issues with the language itself, but mostly with the tools and the os config.
If I look at my recent backlog, half the time is figuring out OS, tools and package dependencies, options and similar bullshit .

[pearl elk]

the core language is actually not too bad, thing is who works with the core language all the time especially in these parts

[cursive crypt]

UE is far. However, I do like minimal deps. Ain't gonna install a freaking repo, because I need 1-2 functions from it.

[pearl elk]

nah you'll just install 1000 plugin modules you dont need instead 😛

then you need to write 1000 lines of boiletplate to get a button to show up on a toolbar

[cursive crypt]

bah, spent 10 hours figuring out why it does not build. Then 1h to code it.

[pearl elk]

its not all Epics fault though, they can only work within the constraints the language gives em

dont you love it when its a missing dependency in build.cs you overlooked

[cursive crypt]

They far from the lang, lol. These header tools e.g.

Exactly.

It is a Frankenstein's monster, but it ain't be fixed for sure.

[pearl elk]

some of its got to do with advanced documentation being lacking

try to find a good indepth article on modules

[cursive crypt]

Take these 10 'make a mmo in 3 days' yt videos. Meanwhile, sub plz

[pearl elk]

even amongst Epics core code modules access things in a variety of different ways to achieve the same results

these things should be well defined but theyre not because the language is strict and finicky for small things but doesnt have a clue when it comes to larger concepts

thats why you can crash things out easy, if it gets past the compiler its on you

[cursive crypt]

I don't think the lang is to blame here.

[pearl elk]

OMG YOU used d not D... bad programmer, fail your life plz

it is in some regards, C++ doesnt cover all programming concepts

[fathom wadi]

I never crash with code unless I write shit code

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[fathom wadi]

usually mis-typing some conversion

[pearl elk]

Ive seen much stronger preprocessors

[fathom wadi]

last time I had a crapload of crashes I was converting native C to C++ and got confused with type conversions. That was fun

by fun I mean not fun.

oddly enough the solution was built in using some unreal types which I had no docs for but got some help from people in here

[pearl elk]

I rarely get help, takes me longer to explain what Im doing than to fix it

[fathom wadi]

you know what sucks worse than bad code though? Playing MtG Arena when you haven't played for a year or more and you don't have any cards to keep up with the meta. pure pain.

[pearl elk]

UnrealEditor_Core!_mi_heap_realloc_zero() [F:\GitHub\UnrealEngine\Engine\Source\ThirdParty\mimalloc\src\alloc.c:622]

heh isnt that mean to be cpp

[cursive crypt]

3rd party, oh no

UE running fancy mem managers, but all them 3rd code dance hard on the floor below.

[pearl elk]

heh turns out using contains on a 0 length tarray might be the issue

thanks Obama

tbh I dont actually miss static arrays much

[cursive crypt]

Static arrays? 🤔

[pearl elk]

yeah Static[100] arrays

gah my fault, missed a null peter sheeter

[cursive crypt]

int StaticArrayAsInItIsOnTheStack[100];

[pearl elk]

eww is that a regular int

needs more sweg

[cursive crypt]

f, you are right

IntegerOfExactly64Bits i;

Orr... enter the new u8 which is exactly as uint8 which is uint8_t which is ...

Ppl really get addicted to complexify stuff.

[pearl elk]

tenumasbyte

[cursive crypt]

tetanusbyte

[pearl elk]

I get why these little differences exist but at some point you just stop caring about whats under the hood and just want to put your foot down

as long as it doesnt explode or fall to bits... then its all good

I want the fuel injected version, sick of having to crank it over and using a choke 😛

[cursive crypt]

Obligatory

I can see my last 10 commits be "Fix the damn CI, trial numero 10"

[pearl elk]

I bet there a programming language called Flat Earth

theres no radial coordinates allowed 😛

FVector isnt a vector though is it C++ tehehe

[cursive crypt]

Tbh, there is no 3d it all falls back to two 2d screens.

[pearl elk]

but if you got 2x2d screens thats 4ds 😮

[cursive crypt]

2+2 != 4

[pearl elk]

depends on who you ask

but imagine if machines all agreed on an answer, wouldnt that be lovely

then you wouldnt get that one machine who sprouts ideological nonsense instead of answering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwPmgT-xlOo

[quasi mantle]

2+2 = 4-1 = 3

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-math-quick-math-nerds-gif-10729044

[cursive crypt]

https://facewaretech.com/blog/introducing-faceware-studio-1-5-with-indie-pricing-and-live-link/

From $3k/year to $300/year, talks about deflation

[pearl elk]

$300/year is still a hell of alot really

not that I dont think they deserve to get paid its just tricky to justify that unless the software is making huge leaps and bounds yearly

[cursive crypt]

I dunno, but its a big gap, lol

[pearl elk]

the Faceware is down alittle bit, you were looking at Analyzer

not that much cheaper though

[cursive crypt]

get started with the fully featured Faceware Studio for $239, if eligible. Early adopters can enjoy an introductory price of $179/year.

[fathom wadi]

I messed around with that during a competition earlier this year. It was pretty good but there is another plugin you need that costs over 1k license

[cursive crypt]

lol, nice

[quasi mantle]

Still going to be overkill for me.

Literally unplayable

[cursive crypt]

oh, that was an woman, lol
I thought is an young boy

There is no bad advertisement they say.

[pearl elk]

who said that Bobby Kotick?

[quasi mantle]

Denise looked like an old granny lmao

Guess she got 30 years of accelerated aging

[pearl elk]

https://puu.sh/IpKxq/cf93334aa8.jpg

GTA remake so bad it killed the shambler

[quasi mantle]

Ugh, texture filtering

[pearl elk]

apparently our PCs arnt powerful enough to do the Gl reflections

proof Voodoo is the best GPU ever

I wonder when they'll rerelease Terminator Future Shock

[pearl elk]

https://twitter.com/maxtree_cgi/status/1459068647670882309

Maxtree (@maxtree_cgi)

Free gift for all customers !!!
Plant Models Vol 60 is Free to download and use.
(Some from other collections free samples)
Stay tuned for the "Black Friday Sale"
https://t.co/vHgqG4wBEw

Twitter · Nov 12, 2021, 8:00 AM

[foggy path]

interesting that they specify you cannot use their assets in porn

[pearl elk]

must be 70s porn cuz of all the bush 😮

[celest musk]

is that against the law? Oo

where

[quasi mantle]

Inb4 getting a class action lawsuit over using it in a pornographic machinima

[rugged jetty]

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/qvtv4x/a_jungle_myna_has_been_trained_to_go_out_and_look/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Lol

Bird income

[obtuse glacier]

Hey so i got this fbx file where it has 1 character and 1 gun and both of em are animated, so when i import it to unreal they dont come out as 1 animation asset or skeletal mesh. How do i make it into 1 asset?
file was exported from blender

[cursive crypt]

#ue4-general

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltM5jHIJFw4&

[foggy path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpC3lZdk2HM

[neat sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfV_Doo9UHU&list=RDgfV_Doo9UHU&start_radio=1

[carmine frigate]

thats all pretty terrible

[last matrix]

nothing beats the classic, im sure this is more your flavor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW0Vuh3PKUU

[carmine frigate]

think ill check if i got some prozac around:P

[fathom wadi]

If we posting music videos. My mate's band just put out a new record. Pretty decent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tfh78iOexc

[quasi mantle]

...I'll just refrain myself from posting links to anime J-idol videos.

[fathom wadi]

I've known the singer for like 27 years or so. We bonded over a sheesha pipe (because shes Egyptian and had one knocking around). She moved to London, became a doctor and started a record company. Quite the lass.

[median wraith]

they limit the amount of times you can download the purchased items lmao

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/swim-clown-fish-anemone-ocean-documentary-gif-17036953

anemones gif 😛

should make an anime about anemones

[deep glen]

https://eurekaseven.fandom.com/wiki/Anemone

[carmine frigate]

ah damn

https://tenor.com/view/fish-gif-8309811

no my sculpting isnt bad things look like that

[plucky fable]

anyone down to play star citizen?

[regal pecan]

NFT the screenshot of the NFT of the screenshot of the NFT

[foggy path]

https://twitter.com/therealzomg/status/1458504975844319238

zomgmoz (@therealzomg)

Here's my new NFT in my series of PaintMonkeShitpostClub

Twitter · Nov 10, 2021, 6:40 PM

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-surrounded-by-gold-team-rocket-james-pokémon-gif-17868120

[foggy path]

I actually thought about minting an NFT out of that just for shits and giggles

but ~effort

[cursive crypt]

I won't be surprised if it gets sold.

[foggy path]

well now you're making me feel like I should even though it was just supposed to be a shitpost

lol

[cursive crypt]

Ride the wave 🧠

[carmine frigate]

who needs an NFT when u can print that shit out and frame it

u still need to sign it tho

[cursive crypt]

I sign cheaply. Discount for big volumes.

[carmine frigate]

hmm if its priced right it can only go up

like how many times can you sign a day, and how long can you keep it up

[timber viper]

I guess they finally realized repeating same design over and over sucks

But looks like something else is the case, assuming from the comments of that tweet

[night grove]

Wow, the investors have finally realized that the guy who brags about "taking the fun out of video games" should not be working on video games?

[timber viper]

Though customer satisfaction sometimes can affect the sales

Seems like Vanguard made a negative impact on Blizzard's economy

But they might blame him for the current ongoing crisis

Yeah

I hate the fact CoD is the only true fast-paced shooter I'm looking for

BF is nice but V is full of cheats and 2042 is too expensive atm

1 is cool but I dont like ww1

CoD Black Ops Cold War was just what I was looking for, but I did not bought it after having connection issues

1 was great, really

I'm just adding my own comment, not arguing/judging tho 😄

How 'bout Halo Infinite? You gonna give it a try?

Btw did you like 2042 too? I remember you bought it

[foggy path]

I played the beta test and I thought it was ok

it took me a while but the map started growing on me a bit

and yeah, I used to play rush more in BF3 as well

more focused an action packed experience

lol

I stuck playing Kharg Island most of the time later

[timber viper]

Hit markers are so confusing in halo

Cant decide if I hit or not

[summer sphinx]

Lol

[timber viper]

FLT_MAX

[left moss]

o o f

[pearl elk]

EventType = GoingOutside;

AmountDepressed = 999999.9999;

[dense storm]

http://thegames.dev/snaps/TeamViewer_IeQ64JekPt.png

urgh, building..

[pearl elk]

need more cores

[pearl elk]

so I have to write a parser to convert one json to a similar but different json lol

[pearl elk]

hmm maybe its easier to decode the matrix before the image construct

[neat sluice]

Me rn

[pearl elk]

As I walk through the valley in the shadow of print string I take a look at my life and realise theres not enough print string. Ive been blasting and laughing so long that even my mumma thinks my print string has gone

[pearl elk]

Its a tricky one, you want to be fairly compensated and protect your competitive advantage but at the same time if something is broken in your implementations being closed source I have to wait for a fix to be issued. I dont think Epic are being unreasonable in that they publish their source code, including their own technologies.

Ive learnt alot from people making their code available, whether open languages, projects or developer talks. I think it goes against community standards to try to close source

I say that as a strong opponent of C++ proliferation

[fluid bloom]

https://twitter.com/mikko/status/1460931204677521417

@mikko (@mikko)

It’s a sign of the end of days, when meme coins are advertised on billboards. At a railway station. In Helsinki.

Likes

721

Twitter · Nov 17, 2021, 11:21 AM

[pearl elk]

sign is a spy

[foggy path]

wtf :lul:

I think there's like five different coins that have Floki in them...

at least lol

[pearl elk]

cant be worse than buying Paris Hilton NFTs

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC2GjXMk7i4 today in 1996. A masterpiece was released.

[pearl elk]

hmm they are hidden for you already aye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQV-wk3tW3k

covering INXS is not what I expected 🙂

most people prolly only know the Grinners version

[neat sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeKE0NHUtUw

Banger 😎

[fathom wadi]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59316606 wow. this is why all these streaming services compartmentalising is an absolutely awful system for the consumer. If we aren't careful this is what the Metaverse will end up like. Everyone in their own compartment sectioned off from others unless they pay a dozen subscriptions. Net neutrality personified.

[pearl elk]

pretty easy to boycott it now 😛

the metaverse will be made up of brand planets, each publisher will have their own planets so you can only use their IP on their planet

this idea that you could have some sort of Frankenstein of brands will only exist in black market fan fiction areas known collectively as the sprawl

corpozones will be heavily regulated, if you are seen wearing Adidas and Nike together you will be permabanned

[neat sluice]

Humanity's dissent into Distopia begins? 🙄

[fathom wadi]

I wish I would be alive to see it. I'd be more cynical than I am now 😄

[pearl elk]

Im glad I wont see it because it'll be nothing like I hoped and the disappointment would kill me inside

[fathom wadi]

thats life

[pearl elk]

not really, life is only brutal if you let the *^#@s win

[fathom wadi]

sometimes it doesn't matter if you let them or not. Life dumps a shit on you anyways. The question is whether you wade through the shit or give up.

[pearl elk]

Im not sure thats a question

its an ultimatum

[fathom wadi]

not really. Some people go through tough times with head held high and march on to when the clouds break and the sun shines again. Some, well, just fucking exist.

[pearl elk]

yes well Im convinced tough times are a product of our environment, everyone is only existing whether theyre eating steak or not

[fathom wadi]

"The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them"

[pearl elk]

to live is to exist

[neat sluice]

'To Live' is kinda subjective though

Everyone might have different views on what it really means to live

[pearl elk]

oh you spent 200,000hrs watching TV... did you even live

I lived a thousand lives on a thousand worlds

I also spent 50,000 watching advertisements, more time than spent at traffic lights

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7_hwgD1ugg

[pearl elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RT0uHn8RUg

[neat sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk

[pearl elk]

you'll never die as long as the cloud exists, particles of your digital dust will blow in the winds of cyberspace

[neat sluice]

That's poetic

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/hack-the-planet-gif-15624885

[fathom wadi]

if people check out my internet presence they would have to figure out which was the dry wit, sarcasm and trolls. Good luck to them I say :/

[pearl elk]

how many saved games can I dig through to profile your gaming life

what about other profiles where I can collect data to create a ghost

[fathom wadi]

I once prototyped a website for archiving save games. But when cloud services appeared it seemed a bit of a waste of time

[pearl elk]

The main thing here is you were ahead of the curve

[fathom wadi]

yeah I've been ahead of the curve on many things, but my ass is still broke, living in a shithole and without any hope of getting out of the curved hole I dug. Still.... march on right? :/

[pearl elk]

I remember looking at CDs of movie databases wanting to make that into an internet website

turns out IMDB spells Im DB my initials lol

[cursive crypt]

Money are made with money :taps-head:

[fathom wadi]

i wrote an app to archive my cds into a database so I didn't have to print out all the content onto labels. I just serialised the CD titles. Another waste of time 😄

[pearl elk]

money isnt everything though, there are plenty of rich people who are only existing

[cursive crypt]

Also planets alignment.

[fathom wadi]

money is everything when you have to decide on putting the heating on during winter or eating because you cook with gas.

[cursive crypt]

Or if you had enough to buy two houses, sell the one now and live like a king.

Or pay your tooth bill in USA 🤔

[pearl elk]

money is everything if its the only focus in your life

[fathom wadi]

money is everything when you have kids to feed and you dont have money.

[pearl elk]

hey Im gonna stop you here, Im sure your kids are awesome

[cursive crypt]

Its like the toilet, if you have it - all is fine. If not, it becomes a big problem.

[pearl elk]

I dont mind shitting in the woods

[fathom wadi]

I just about manage to look after them, but all it would take is one thing to happen to the money I get and the shit hits the fan.

[pearl elk]

as long as I got something to wipe my arse on

[cursive crypt]

Sorry, its pine wood.

[pearl elk]

you know those horses which wear blinders though, how much do you think they miss out on because their focus is so narrow?

[cursive crypt]

It keeps them safe tho.

The driver too.

[pearl elk]

maybe the money is in the risk

[fathom wadi]

christmas this year is especially hard. All the kids want is consoles and tablets. One wants a PC and is teaching himself C++ and games. So that's gonna get pricey. Fortunately we spread the buying over several months so we have everything except the PC. Which we have a budget of around 500 to buy. Not gonna be easy but I've built dozens of pcs.

[cursive crypt]

Learning C++ shouldn't be expensive 🤔
On the other hand, all that hardware - yeah.

[fathom wadi]

anyway. sorry for being down today. had a bad night of sleep. seems it seeped into real life again. I will go game for a while and see if I can't pick myself up.

[cursive crypt]

Don't worry. Sometimes even simple sharing might help, we are also not in your shoes, but at least we can hear you.

[pearl elk]

I know the struggle, my parents used to make x-mas tree decorations by hand out of recycled stuff

[cursive crypt]

Cotton balls!

[pearl elk]

there were gum nuts painted with glitter and little bows wrapped around em

little presents made from tiny bits of left over wrapping paper and matchboxes

[cursive crypt]

Figures from coloured newspaper.

We had also bonbons, I mean, only the wrap, it was a some inedible nut or pebble inside.

[pearl elk]

Im actually bit Scroogey because I dont like the pressure xmas puts on people, giving is certainly good but you want to do it because you can not because its expected

from my childhood its not the presents I remember anyway, its the memories made with family

[cursive crypt]

I can relate. Mostly because there are lot of inserted expectations going around.

Must gift. Must see.

[pearl elk]

its part of why Im very anti-corporatism overall tbh, they seem to take everything that is good and skew it into some sort of money making scheme

[cursive crypt]

You can sell that book.

[pearl elk]

where on Amazon? 😛

I remember when I first found the anarchists cookbook, I thought it was amazing

[cursive crypt]

First time I hear about it 🤔

What kind of recipes are inside?

[pearl elk]

lol umm, you know explosives, phreaking devices, LSD

dont try this at home kiddos

[cursive crypt]

Aah, lol, I thought bread, cakes, etc.

[pearl elk]

anti-establishment cakes

they taste like freedom

[cursive crypt]

That'

... because they didn't had a good meal before that.

[pearl elk]

there are plenty of food places which put on meals for xmas dinner, if anyone is alone or struggling

[cursive crypt]

I think it was from Terry Pratches, but was along the lines of: Even the biggest Lord of Darkness is ready to chill on the sofa after a nice dinner.

This year is the fist when I alone try to make a pickled cabbage. So far it is great. Needs a bit few more weeks.

Kinda proud.

[pearl elk]

we're gonna have lots of food this year because we got a hamper from crisco, Id def invite channel people if I lived anywhere near by

think the closest couple to me are in Melbs

thats still a long drive

[cursive crypt]

hamper from crisco?

[pearl elk]

yeah you pay monthy and you get a big box full of food n stuff at xmas

[cursive crypt]

Aah, we had something similar as startup approach around. Regretfully, still not developed.
Like, you can order a bucket of farm's produce. It was during the summer. Each box was almost unique and each week it was something different - depends on what was growing, lol

Would like to try that again.

[pearl elk]

We actually got a mobile butcher to deliver some meat last month, turns out its way better than most of the supermarket stuff, cheaper too

[foggy path]

they source some meats locally for the supermarket I go to here, haven't noticed much of a difference between that and the other stuff lol

I think the quality here is in general quite good which might be why

[pearl elk]

ahh lucky, our supermarkets are pretty bad. We live in farming country yet the produce all comes from interstate for reasons

[neat sluice]

May I ask where?

[pearl elk]

South of Adelaide

[neat sluice]

Ah, I never saw Australia as a Farming Country

Isn't it a part of the west?

Developed nations

[pearl elk]

lol yeah I suppose most of the focus is on the resources sector

huge farming country though, maybe not as industrialised as US farming

yeah we are considered a western country, depends on who we are negotiating with, sometimes with are oceanic/asian pacific

[carmine frigate]

its somewhere in europe accordin to that song festival

im pretty sure some1 just made it up tho, that whole place is fake news 😛

[pearl elk]

we need Neurovision

[foggy path]

I wonder what MSFT has to gain from this

They would not suggest it otherwise

:P

[pearl elk]

yeah they are all for preservation thats why they sell their remasters rather than giving them free for previous owners

Im more inclined to side with Mr Sweeneys comments about buying a game once and being able to access it across any platform, this could help with preservation without emulation. The fact we buy buy buy the same games could be why the games industry collects a disproportional amount of profits vs its size

Even Valve doesnt see that as a problem, they are more than willing to lock you into Steam even if that means games break if the platform ever goes out of fashion cough gamespy

There should be more platform independent initiatives so that youre not relying on proprietary server ends for things like save games, achievements etc

emulation going forward is going to be difficult because of the focus on cloud connectivity its going to be harder than just getting a NES ROM

try to play Lawbreakers or Evolve

[foggy path]

Radical Heights

[pearl elk]

Botanical Lows... I mean Farmville 😛

[quasi mantle]

Oh, now we're opening CliffyB wide open

[pearl elk]

Non-fungible achievements

[foggy path]

I liked LawBreakers and Radical Heights

[quasi mantle]

Also today I want to try making reload animations within a short time. Probably with a M1911.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/ivan-1911-klimovich-extended-mag-bullet-gif-15895487

[pearl elk]

Point.Type = ConvertInterpCurveModeToSplinePointType(SplineCurves.Position.Points[Index].InterpMode); jeebus what is this madness

MakingLongFunctionsJustForTheFunOfIt

[quasi mantle]

This is definitely me back in the Unity days

[cursive crypt]

Seems UE was made for Unity devs then.

[pearl elk]

Well it does have Unity Build 😛

just wait till someone adds UE5 into Unity

As the main window hehe

[quasi mantle]

NGL, Unity's equivalent to Niagara is looking so sick. Also heard that HLSL workflow is almost trivial compared to hoops to get USF files working.

It's unfortunate though that not many developers going to make full use of it.

[foggy path]

UE's rendering pipeline needs to be better exposed I think, that is something where Unity makes it easier to change visuals it seems

Eg. you want to change how it behaves at all? Welcome to custom engine build territory

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, UE has so many rendering things hard coded.

[pearl elk]

how long till Epic buys Unity 😛

mass exodus to Godot incoming

[quasi mantle]

Well, Unity's company asset worth so much at this point.

[pearl elk]

its publicly traded though which can be risky

wouldnt be surprised if MS and the like own some Unity

[quasi mantle]

Also about rendering, I'm still kinda baffled with how much Screen Capture tanked down performance.
Well, yes, you render more than one viewport, but I think Unity or Source doesn't tank performance that hard when using separate "render layers"

[foggy path]

I didn't notice scene capture tanked it much 🤔

[quasi mantle]

I did notice it, even with updating every frame ticking done in C++

Isn't Epic allows open sourcing Unreal project, as long as it's NOT a viral licence like GPL?

Or is it a different context entirely?

[pearl elk]

I appreciate this solves my issue but what happens if Epic wants to buy it, can they build ontop and resell? It opens up a can of legal worms for them thats why there is limitations on GPL licensing with only full open source available.
Considering the original work builds on their work you can see the situation it puts them in, I get it though as Im in a similar boat. Id love to charge for my plugin but ultimately MIT supports the community that supports me rather than me squirreling away other peoples nuts.

That seems to be what Tims hinting at in his post, which is quite old now. Epic have been known to give out grants if finances are the primary concern. If your tool is an IDE like Rider then whats the problem?

Youre not publishing UE related

[quasi mantle]

So, if I get this correctly, your tool/lib is licensed under something like GPL?

[pearl elk]

from what I can see of the code examples though its derived from Epics C++

yeah but I mean, the language isnt yours, thats why you fall under the EULA and thats why Epic expects you to give it away

yeah no doubt, I wouldnt know where to start. The thing is your work doesnt function without Epics right in the case of UE C# support?

how you gonna compile UE code without UE code

hey maybe dont convince me, if youre sure get your own legal team to look at it

if youre not writing a C# variant of Epics C++ then there shouldnt be any worries, if you code gen directly to your own packages

I cant tell without seeing the source 🙂

but usually these are matters for the courts

there is actually no telling if Epic would pursue legal action tbh, especially if they could become a customer and look at the code themselves

how many of them saw source code?

because the courts compel that sort of discovery

No you wouldnt, it doesnt have to be viewed as a contribution

you have to explicitly state its a contribution

lol they cant expect this to hold up in court

so apparently DirectX is an contribution cuz MS provided it to Epic

you need to consult lawyers duder

the EULA is not gospel, big companies overreach all the time

[quasi mantle]

I had a funny feeling that some of the numbers from the petition comes from hardcore Fortnite opposers.

[pearl elk]

This is what I dont understand if youre so concerned with big bad Epic, why make the tool support UE in the first place

you obviously have a working relationship

hence the petition

I honestly think it doesnt apply if youre not distributing anything which requires Unreal Engine to function

the entire EULA, not just clause g

[cursive crypt]

I think you are in some legal spaghetti and it is better to be tackled off with qualified ppl.
Also, what petition you are even talking about? 🤔 Unable to see.

[pearl elk]

The petition wont do anything though right, if Epic are willing to make you pay their court fees what would they care about a number on a webpage

you have a direct line to them obviously though, why go through the community?

[cursive crypt]

Tbf, I think I'm fine with that. You can still charge for your Open source tool anyway? 🤔

[cursive crypt]

Getting signatures.

[pearl elk]

Did you try to meet Epic in the middle by proposing open source if you could charge?

[cursive crypt]

Aah, but there are code plugins already sold? Why this be different.

So far, I see your side, but what were their arguments?

[pearl elk]

theres a link to a post Tim wrote on the petition page

I dont think it does address his concerns about the larger community adoption though, it cant become a defacto language as long as its behind a paywall

[cursive crypt]

There is, maintenance.

haha

[pearl elk]

Im all for people making money off code but I kinda appreciate that we build on what came before us, its not magic that comes from no where. Imagine if Pythagoras was behind a paywall. If your tool is standalone then you should be able to charge access for it while making the UE interop layer free and open source

I cant patent my game mechanics dude

[cursive crypt]

I think if you want to bring an whole language, you gotta make it comparable to C++ i.e. open source, free, etc.
Also let the users decide, however I see also how it can put a burden on how UE is perceived. Having multiple langs can be a mess.

Yep, maybe pursue instead another revenue model.

[pearl elk]

maybe you shoulda read the EULA before writing it... ouch. But sure it sucks,

[cursive crypt]

Kinda of bad situation, I admit too, you seem to have put a lot of work, but somehow haven't really checked upfront about the 'spirit' of it. Kind of understandable though, it can be surprising 🙂

[pearl elk]

I think it would be super popular within the community though if it were open

[cursive crypt]

You want to hug the whole engine, it is their product, they can do whatever they want and feel it is right about its future.

[pearl elk]

I doubt theres many people who could say Epic adopted their codebase into the engine let alone the possibility of long term employement with a multi-billion dollar company

Its not like Epic has anyone well versed in your code base right, so youve got the edge

so its not about money then, gotcha

[cursive crypt]

So, I would say, maybe think about different revenue models. I'm not a business developer, but whether donations, paid tutz, or even sponsorship from Epic 🙂

[pearl elk]

open source dance

if the world was fair Woz would be CEO of Apple

[cursive crypt]

Why unfair really?

I mean, you want to add another lang.

You are providing means to use UE through another language. The whole framework should be at least as accessible as the original. That's a choice. Maybe it is not fair to let users/devs to what they want, but... thats it.

[devout valve]

Quick clarification:

1. we do not wish to monetize CO for personal enrichment. We wish to fund ongoing development to not have yet another failing attempt at adding .NET to UE
2. who should pay for the ongoing development if it is open source? The small studio which put a lot of sweat into creating the technology or the company which makes $5,000,000,000 a year and would mostly profit from the technology?
   CO can be worth hundreds of millions just because Epic can massively increase the revenue from royalty fees if more devs decide to use the engine

[pearl elk]

tbh the UE community isnt that big, not sure how many signatures youre expecting to get

[devout valve]

We are addressing both the UE and Unity community. There are 1.5 million Unity devs which might potentially switch to UE. This only shows how much money is behind such a move

[cursive crypt]

I see it as a strategic decision. And they drive the ship. You have to find some compromise with them. That would be the best approach. So if you are having personal conversations now, that is a good sign.

[pearl elk]

I can certainly see its not fair but removing it actually doesnt benefit me as a developer in the slighest

[devout valve]

And Epic is essentially requiring us to just give it to them for free

[pearl elk]

you can throw around fake productivity numbers all you like 🙂

[devout valve]

they are not fake

[pearl elk]

my plugin makes me work 2923u4972398547342786x faster

[devout valve]

we have videos showing them off

It compiles and reloads instantly as soon as you save a file

[pearl elk]

but I have to rewrite all my C++ right

[quasi mantle]

Nah, my hodge podge of plugin is as efficient as unsigned 64-bit integer times.

[cursive crypt]

I'm not a fan of C# but guys are right to want to get something back in return of that framework. And is not a small solution, so it needs to be communicated with Epic.

[quasi mantle]

But eh, I stick with C++, BP, and Lua, so what do I know.

[devout valve]

It is not much that we ask for. We just want Epic to allow monetization of such plugins in the same way that they allow every other plugin in existence to be monetized

[pearl elk]

I certainly understand the angle too, Im just not sure where I stand. Epic must have reasons to do the things the way they do, sometimes companies just have their hands tied legally to protect themselves and their own assets

If we want to talk about fairness it has to be seen from both sides

[devout valve]

And they weaponized (changed) the EULA just before launch to crush the product

Which is absolutely not fair to anyone

[pearl elk]

yes I have read this and Im actually on Tims side, I dont think he's trying to lock people out in fear. Its to protect Epics asset, Unreal Engine

[quasi mantle]

Definitely the place where it's largely shitposts.

[devout valve]

People can freely modify the engine. Why not allow the same with C#?

It is just a different way of writing code

[quasi mantle]

C# can go live on its own for all I care.

[pearl elk]

you dont allow people to freely modify your code

Epic does

[devout valve]

Epic can allow people to modify the code because they literally have billions to spare. We do not and without funding the product will die like every other .NET integration

[cursive crypt]

You surprised them 😄
As I said up, you are right to want something in return. However, I still agree with them that the end solution should be open sourced & free as it is the C++ framework. However, I have no idea of how both parties can be satisfied. You really need to talk this over with them. On one hand, you get something, on another - they too.

[devout valve]

Oh we did not surprise them. They modified the EULA 8 years ago

It has been like that since then

[cursive crypt]

But you pushed still?

[devout valve]

We started talks with Epic about this months ago

[cursive crypt]

You've to know your clients though. Why selling something which they don't want to buy as it is now?

Client being Epic I mean.

[pearl elk]

Its not personal, if you release your source code and work on a royalty basis then fair is fair... oranges and oranges

[devout valve]

We cannot charge anything through any means except for donations

[pearl elk]

closed source proprietary code and patented systems is not oranges

[quasi mantle]

"Buy our stuff or screw you in particular"
Seems to be what my little brain is getting, said to Epic.

[soft night]

MOnlyOlympus observe all this?

[cursive crypt]

Nah, langs must be free and open source. End of talk.
Now the guys over here need to figure out how to walkaround it.

[pearl elk]

Epic gave away Lumen and Nanite ffs, you guys got a youtube video

code talks, bullshit walks

[cursive crypt]

lul

[devout valve]

The core problem here is that Epic literally allows you to do anything you want with the engine. But as soon as you try to use everything but their own system they crush you like an insect

the videos are the only way to show off the technology. As soon as we distribute it we are forced to give away our property because of the EULA

[devout valve]

And again, they have billions of dollars to spare. Lumen and Nanite are cheap side projects for them (we actually have a custom alternative for Nanite in Unity - it wasn't hard)

Comparing a multi-billion dollar company with a small indie studio is not correct

[quasi mantle]

So, if I get this right, forgive my tiny businessman brain, according to this interpretation, I can't use third party stuff into my Unreal project?

[devout valve]

You cannot use any other language as long as it is not open source

It is about the language, not about the software itself

No worries if you do not fully understand the EULA at first. We have had extensive talks with lawyers to even fully comprehend it. It is very vague and allows them to pretty much weaponize anything

[quasi mantle]

Oh, so your C# scripting thingie is not open source? I thought C# itself isn't open source

[devout valve]

C# is open source

[pearl elk]

Yeah .net is open source

[quasi mantle]

But your specific implementation to UE is not?

[devout valve]

No it is not

The entire reason of this is to stop the unfairness that Epic is forcing upon devs and provide a way forward for Code Orchestra to give back to the community

[quasi mantle]

If you ask me, yeah.

I personally believing more in open source.

Not the copyrighted material, but I would share parts of it.

Maybe that includes modding documentation.

[devout valve]

So to clarify, we are not against open source. However, if we open source it right now there is a very high chance it will end up like other .Net integrations => abandoned or unusable which is quite worthless to the community

Sure, you can modify existing tools but all of them are so barebones that it is not much more difficult to write your own

The community deserves a fully functional tool for writing C#

[quasi mantle]

Maybe make it gasp donationware?

[devout valve]

Epic develops UE for you and in return you give them money through royalty fees. Would you still be happy if they decided to make it 100% free but instead expect you to add all of the features yourself?

Yes and it is great but cannot compete with other engines

[pearl elk]

Github Copilot looks groovy

[devout valve]

I have used it extensively and honestly it is still not able to compete with HDRP (Unity)

I am looking forward to Godot 4.0 but that is still very far away

[quasi mantle]

There's also O3DE, which is reworked version of CryEngine/Lumberyard.

[pearl elk]

I wish people paid to read my code 😉

[quasi mantle]

Though I'm not going to question how actually good it is lol

[pearl elk]

which reminds me, I should donate to WIkipedia

[quasi mantle]

Nobody really cared about Lumberyard either

[cursive crypt]

How is its userbase tho? Growing?

[quasi mantle]

Still stagnant.

[pearl elk]

it was growing but some bastard with an axe keeps showing up

[cursive crypt]

The same bots, I see.

[pearl elk]

https://pastebin.com/iJCeA63v

woop woop, it works! Still needs some work on the text representation but soon tm

[fathom wadi]

did someone ever make a branching spline tool? ie. make T-shapes or trees of splines rather than just A->B

[pearl elk]

I can look into it at some point if its something you think you'd use

[fathom wadi]

I'd think it would be useful especially for road tools. Better than overlaying sections if it works

[pearl elk]

the current representation is an array that kinda explains why looping is a special case

FBX do actually store splines too so I might have to see if importing from those can be sorted out

maybe SVG conversion 🙂

https://kitware.github.io/vtk-js/docs/structures_PolyData.html

was looking at this file format for inspiration

I like how the number of components is flexible

[fathom wadi]

sounds interesting

[pearl elk]

I think the issue with branching splines is that Epic have functions for getting distance and time, that really only works with a single path

[fathom wadi]

I wonder if there needs to be some kind of hashing of connecting arrays of other points to make it speedier

[pearl elk]

you could go along the distance and end up with an array I suppose but then how do you know which path is which, if it matters ofcoarse

[fathom wadi]

distance and time between two points would stay rational with branching splines, but it would have to define an index of the next branch, which could be determined by vector direction from the last point

or closest vector direction at least

[pearl elk]

yeah thats not a terrible idea, keeps it pretty neat but you still need to do things like dot to determine relative direction to other paths

[fathom wadi]

aye

[pearl elk]

Im sticking solely with local actor coords, using world would just get too complicated

[fathom wadi]

yeah I guess it would have to do a calc on rotation and offset which would be slower still

[pearl elk]

twisty splines, like a double helix

which is left and which is right 😛

[fathom wadi]

I call that "bezier bullshit" 😄

[pearl elk]

at an instance in time you can get the point and an answer 🙂

Ive always had a thing for em ever since Q3

anyone remember VRML?

[fathom wadi]

yeah I never did anything with it but I remember it existed 😄

[pearl elk]

bit before its time aye

https://tenor.com/view/lawnmower-man-brain-90s-gif-18059332

[fathom wadi]

lawnmower man was classic

I remember saying to my wife once "I'm gonna go into VR and kill myself and you will know because all the toilets will flush in unison"

[pearl elk]

I read a book when I was young and I think thats really whats got me started doing the games thing. It was called Mummy Tomb Hunt, it was about a boy who went on a trip with his parents and he had this portable gaming device he got sucked into.

bit like an Indiana Jones or Uncharted thing when he was in the game

[fathom wadi]

the book that got me into game dev was "The Warlock of Firetop Mountain" by Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone. I saw a poster for it at my cub scouts meeting hall, then fished it out of the library. I went through about 20 or so Fighting Fantasy books over the years. Although I never had faith in myself that I could be a game dev. Math isn't my strong point but over the years I managed to google my way to a fair ability. So in 2010 I decided to take the leap and quit webdev to be a game dev fulltime.

[pearl elk]

Ahh yeah I know Ian Livingstone, I think I read Temple of Terror

[fathom wadi]

Forest of Doom and Citadel of Chaos were my faves. They did a sci-fi one too which was pretty good but I forget the name

[pearl elk]

Im guessing it was a game book, I read quite a few of those over the years. Joe Devers Lone Wolf were pretty good

[fathom wadi]

Appointment with F.E.A.R was the name. But they did a few scifi ones

[pearl elk]

heh cool, I should get a few of these and try em out. I think there was a Frankenstein one which was good and Dracula, those might have been more adventure though not full game books

[fathom wadi]

they recently did a few fighting fantasy books as interactive games. Might check them out at some point for the nostalgia

[pearl elk]

Yeah I know Joe Dever has a mobile game, its got some cool animation stuff but feels abit dated. Im abit of a 3d snob these days though 😛

what you mean its all 2d 😥

[fathom wadi]

Ive been playing MtG Arena the past couple of days so I can't say im entirely a 3d snob but I do have Forza Horizon 5 on the side too 😄

[pearl elk]

Forza Horizon 5 is odd, its fun but its so over the top its abit cringe

yo man Horizon is this huge world wide event and WOOOAAAAAH loud noises and shiney

[fathom wadi]

its not a bad game but it doesn't keep my interest for too long because there's too much to grind for and yet it feels like you aren't progressing beyond a wheelspin or two. Most of the cars you never drive either. It would have been better if when you won a car it created a specific race for it

[pearl elk]

lol yeah it just throws content at you, I dont like the silly talking scenes or the interruptions

[fathom wadi]

yeah I won a pink dress yesterday in a wheelspin. ¬_¬

[pearl elk]

Its a slightly better slightly worse NFS so its like cool but also meh at the same time

I won a Ferrari f50 so Im happy lol

[fathom wadi]

I found a ferrari in a barn yesterday so it should be ready after a couple of hours today.

[cursive crypt]

Are there now car games innovative like back then Test Drive 2/3 was? Like I want to drive through the wheat fields.

[fathom wadi]

not really

[cursive crypt]

Think it was 20+ years ago.

Ugh

Oke

[pearl elk]

car manufacturers dont want you to make their cars look bad

[soft night]

you can drive in the wheat fields too on FH5

[fathom wadi]

I mean you can drive through the entire world in Horizon. Even a volcano in this one, but nothing as good as Test Drive felt

[pearl elk]

not sure how a Lambo does 170kmph on gravel or why youd want to tbh

I honestly think it would just leave behind a mess of carbon fiber

[fathom wadi]

I miss the days of Ridge Racer games. Powersliding around and trying to get perfect laps was my thing.

[pearl elk]

FH5 is kinda odd with the offroad you get way less points for being on the road unless youre doing 300+

[soft night]

well with event labs on FH5 you could make track what is what you like too

[pearl elk]

thats one of the more innovative parts is the event labs

[fathom wadi]

ive not tried that yet. Im still trying to complete the 750 million races in the world

[pearl elk]

but some people make pretty bad tracks lol

there was one which was a big touge down the mountain, I just jumped off the side and made it there with like 5 minutes to spare

physics are very forgiving in regards to crashes

https://puu.sh/IpZpw/583d0d6345.jpg

gah damnnit thats meant to be an instance

[fathom wadi]

think its time to play some FH5 now. Got my engine revving for a blast after talking about it. Catch you on the podium.

[pearl elk]

that'll be me on num 1 spot hehe

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/trip-muppets-kermit-the-frog-fonzie-the-bear-kermit-gif-4697626

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/mythbusters-big-boom-jamie-hyneman-explode-gif-16432759

jamie hyneman as a professor who want to be teached by one of the mythbusters?

[foggy path]

someone I know is actually a student at that school where he was giving a lecture at in Finland

I heard he was monotone and boring lol

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/jari-seal-sea-doggo-funny-animals-gif-13957482

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-dog-dog-happiest-dog-super-happy-gif-17885812

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/miraculous-ladybug-chloe-queen-bee-gif-13325502

[azure wadi]

I've been using Emacs for ~10 years now. I'm kinda liking it. Though, I was a Vim user before switching to Emacs. I just didn't know how to :quit Vim 😛

[verbal junco]

just bee yourself

[night grove]

Pico pico!

[carmine frigate]

there is a procedural branch tool epic used for paragon for tree roots and stuff

think its somewhere in tools or a plugin or something

that ladybug gif looks pretty well animated, i zapped past that show a few times but never thought it looked that good

also its dubbed so there is no way i could watch it longer than 2 min 😛

i learned most my english from cartoons but now everything is dubbed on the TV here

[verbal junco]

speedtree is technically a branching spline tool

it's funny because it's a tree structure in abstract code that is also concretely a tree

[carmine frigate]

that black spline on the bee gif is pretty dope

[quasi mantle]

[night grove]

backs away slowly: I've NEVER done anything like that in my code base!

[quasi mantle]

We don't do such thing, right?

...right?

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/all-your-base-all-your-base-are-belong-to-us-zero-wing-zerowung-gif-23152926

All rights are belong to us.

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vaccum-cat-automatic-cat-in-car-cute-cat-cattitude-gif-17562882

[verbal junco]

are you though

how's day 2 of that strike feeling

cereal criminal

[night grove]

@wheat narwhal Mods cracked down on #lounge in #cpp recently

[verbal junco]

a few people got apprehended 😓

taken away by the popo

[night grove]

I've spent at least $3k on assets in the past year across multiple stores

Some of it on the Unity store (before converting to UE4)

Most of it has been garbage

Esp. the stuff from the Unity store

Nice

I plan on spending more this year

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/what-sponge-bob-shocked-confused-what-the-gif-12645964

[night grove]

To make tax write offs

I'm currently self employed, trying to solo dev a game

[verbal junco]

make your own assets and buy them for the tax write off

[night grove]

$3k on assets is cheap

[verbal junco]

multiple accounts

[night grove]

Can't write off your own time unfortunately

[verbal junco]

no legal jurisdiction

I have bought exactly 0 assets ever

because I'm too much of a NIH fool

I've picked up freebies on the offchance that I'll use them

but even so it always ends up being placeholder content

[night grove]

Any animation packs you would recommend? Can DM if it's not kosher to put them in channel

I have seen a lot of hit or miss with anims

[verbal junco]

kobold guy seems quite solid

industry veteran

[night grove]

I don't like to name and shame, so I won't name specifics - however some of the packs I've bought have had locomotion entirely root motion based

[verbal junco]

I mean to be fair I would not use anything bought on the marketplace for anything but placeholder assets

I'd commission actual assets

[night grove]

I'm a scrub with UE4 animation system though, so maybe it's not all bad?

I just couldn't get them to look good

[verbal junco]

if they don't look good from the get go it is no bueno

[night grove]

and I root motion doesn't work for replication when used in locomotion

[verbal junco]

unless you have some weird non mannequin skelly action going on

[night grove]

Were based on mannequin

[verbal junco]

then IMO you shouldn't have issues

but again

trusting marquetploice is risky

you get what you pay for

[night grove]

Could you imagine setting montages as the sole way to move the character?

That seems... horrible.

[verbal junco]

and yet, people do

because they don't want to learn the animation system lmao

people love to jump over puddles into lakes

[night grove]

I've been working on my project for 2 months full time. The last month has been almost exclusively learning GAS, repilcation, and the animation system.

[verbal junco]

I applaud the courage

I would not quit my dayjob to work on my project

at least not yet 😏

noice

[zinc matrix]

Hey guys, I’m new to Unreal engine but I’ve gotten to know the basics of almost everything, and especially with sequencer.

I’ve been looking for a job in game Cutscenes making and cinematic making but can only ever see
“Game Developer” hiring, how do people get jobs in that “Film” side of things and what would it be called ?
Only asking as if I look up it just says film makers ect for actual movie projects and not for games
Thanks

[night grove]

?

[verbal junco]

🍿

[zinc matrix]

Oh really!

[verbal junco]

also if you're new to unreal and want to find a job doing cinematics with unreal... wellllllllll

I got news for you

[zinc matrix]

So I’d have to be expected to know how to do way more than just work on the cinematics themselves ect

[verbal junco]

most cinematic people are cinematic animators

[zinc matrix]

Oh okay! Thanks for the info !

[verbal junco]

and animate camera, props etc.

in a cinematic way

as opposed to in a gameplay way

[zinc matrix]

I was going to make a YouTube channel to make Star Wars fan cinematics

And to mainly get the learning out of it too if I were to get an actual job ect but I recently made this up, still in the works and needs a lot of tweaking

[verbal junco]

recently made what

[verbal junco]

what is it

[zinc matrix]

It’s Coruscant city from Star Wars

Just need to add and fix a lot of things yet

[verbal junco]

savage

[verbal junco]

a perfectly actionable todo list

[night grove]

I live and die by my todo list

When it's ill defined... I'm not productive.

Step 1: Open UE4

Step 2: Make the rest of the game

[verbal junco]

when work was physically in an office I would always have a notepad with me to jot down stuff. but since working remotely I've come to abuse the windows post it notes

way beyond their intended use lol

[zinc matrix]

I made the temple in blender
But yes the background buildings were a purchase from elsewhere
And I don’t recall having any plug-in for fog

[night grove]

I keep my backlog in Notepad++

[verbal junco]

to be fair default fog does a lot of things for you

and temple does seem weirdly out of place and low poly compared to the city

[zinc matrix]

For a cinematic I think it would be awesome, I was just wanting to capture the building burning like order 66 from a far you know

[verbal junco]

I want to migrate to something better but tbh I can't beat the ubiquitousness of the post it notes dammit

I don't know order 66

I don't follow star wars

[night grove]

I've tried a lot of different software to manage backlog, but it all has really clunky problems that generate more work than it saves in a solo dev environment.

[verbal junco]

which I assume it is

[zinc matrix]

Oh ok, the temple is placed like that as it’s like that in the movie

[verbal junco]

got a movie screencap?

of that scene

[zinc matrix]

Yeah and I did take the picture like off to the side so it does look like it’s really on an angle and the buildings I will move further away from the temple

[verbal junco]

yeah I'm in the same boat, but tbh I use it for real work too lmao

[night grove]

I do too

I've had at least a couple employers switch project management software like they change shirts

[verbal junco]

yikes

[night grove]

REALLY productive loading the entire backlog into a new software every quarter

[verbal junco]

while also only changing shirts every quarter lmao

[verbal junco]

I mean I hope you can see the difference between your version and the film version

[zinc matrix]

Oh of coarse I can haha

It’s all a learning curve I guess, I haven’t really done much level designing ect I’m still up to looking up tuturiols ect on YouTube lol

[verbal junco]

level design? there's no level design here lol

[zinc matrix]

I mean I wouldn’t know what else to call it hahah it’s a Scene then 🤣

[verbal junco]

level design is concerned with gameplay

not visuals

[zinc matrix]

Yeah that’s true

[verbal junco]

but tbh I'd just sit down and try to make better individual assets before even attempting a scene

nevermind that cinematics are made by animators

[zinc matrix]

I mainly got into it as I was playing a game called hell let loose and looked into it further, I think it was just a couple of real life friends from my country who were hobbyists of ue4 and made the game and now it’s kicked off for them too so if I can also learn how to do what I wanna do then hopefully I can do something once I’ve actually learned a thing or two

[verbal junco]

idk I haven't met cinematic people that aren't animators at any rate, and I've been around for a while

what were their roles then?

oof, yeah definitely not a cinematic role lol

[quasi mantle]

Heard of cinematic directors, but not cinematic animators.

I think most of the time game animators did both gameplay anims and cutscene anims.

[verbal junco]

cinematic animators literally make the bulk of cinematics lmao

like what, a director is going to yell at a character model until it moves?

I'm talking about game animation

I mean it's in the name, right? animation

[quasi mantle]

But the context is game animation.

[verbal junco]

I've never heard of in engine animation unless you mean something like control rig? most animators would use external packages

e.g. maya

never heard of anyone doing animations other than animators. or at least if they were, it'd be some simple placeholder stuff. likewise I would not hire anyone but animators to do cinematics

but maybe I've been spoiled

[quasi mantle]

I'd think of cinematic directors as those who direct the cutscenes, e.g. how the scene/characters should be composed and lighted, how the camera should move, that sort of thing.

[zinc matrix]

Me waking up today

Hey guys! What do you think of this!

The boys - it’s fucking ass 🤣😂

[verbal junco]

I'm currently working on a game production with cinematics, and I can assure you we have cinematic animators

[verbal junco]

yes but a director is a high level position

for every cinematic director, you have people underneath that director working for said director

[zinc matrix]

Yeah man I didn’t take it to heart I like it when people give me the honest opinion

Or else I’d just keep working in something that’s very poor you know

[verbal junco]

and the people working for said director are, you guessed it, cinematic animators

I can't imagine any real production not using people who are literally trained to do this, whether in engine or not

I would not expect an animator to know how to design a core game loop. likewise I would not expect a game designer to create cinematic animations

[quasi mantle]

Speaking of which, I had a shit ton of unfinished machinima projects. I should've finished them by now smh.

[median wraith]

a lot of functions here recently

[median wraith]

Happy toilet day 🙃

lol

well is the day of men

and toilets

since are the same day there is no lost

[mossy nexus]

It was yesterday

[last matrix]

hey can anyone answer this question?

great thanks, i owe you one

[novel storm]

Tim Sweeney never had a normal job

I just found out

[quasi mantle]

Well, he did start early with ZZT, then Epic become shareware publisher.

Though I have to question if your definition of normal jobs really meant odd jobs

[novel storm]

Working for someone else. Looks like he had a side job mowing lawns after college

Like...I don't know if he's truly had a boss before 😂

[broken sigil]

My favorite day of the year 👀

[zinc matrix]

What is the epic launcher based off of?

Someone claims it is made with UE

And I'm not 100% sure

(stupid question I know XD)

[unreal cedar]

It's not made with UE, it's just built on the same core libraries.

[quasi mantle]

Well, it's (sort of) built with UE, just with most of the modules stripped out, save for Slate and the web browser.

[pearl elk]

Im guessing paying women with monopoly money is out of the question

Bobby Kotick is lurkin like damnnit why didnt I think of that

Woahza, I need that RAM Rider

[pearl elk]

https://thecodinglove.com/when-my-bug-goes-unnoticed-during-the-sales-teams-demo

[neat sluice]

Do you ever wonder how aesthetically pleasing the blueprint node ui is?

I mean, they could have made a simple flat ui for the nodes like most softwares have

But they went ahead with transparency, shadows, gradients and stuff

I recently used blender and the visual difference between the nodes was really striking

[red pewter]

They are a lot easier on the eyes than a vision diagram

[neat sluice]

Agree

[zinc matrix]

Yep, they are nice, colours, and everything

[left granite]

hi'

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-death-sticks-clone-episode-two-prequels-gif-15245462

[unborn lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMXWKpZH7pw

do I spy some marketplace buildings?

[quasi mantle]

And then people tried making it flat.

[foggy path]

That trailer just tells me it looks like an average cover shooter

Never heard of the game either so good job making it look interesting I gues

:D

[pearl elk]

I think I seen this game before but I forgot

one of those memorable titles

the day before the day after tomorrow but today is the day the world stood still because the tomorrow war starts today because we're on the edge of tomorrow

or something to that affect

[foggy path]

Sounds about right

[pearl elk]

must admit though The Division isnt exactly a memorable title either

or Anthem

[foggy path]

oh yeah The Division

I was trying to think which game it made me think of

but I just couldn't remember the name lol

[pearl elk]

Tom Clancys Ghost Counter Extradition Extrapolation Maginification Sensation

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-parody-adult-swim-ntsfsdsuv-piper-gif-3454000

[foggy path]

I've actually read a couple of Tom Clancy books

Rainbow Six and The Teeth of the Tiger

[pearl elk]

oh he's amazing, Ubisoft, not so much 🙂

[foggy path]

yeah they were alright

[pearl elk]

Sum of all Fears is my favourite

[foggy path]

maybe I'll check that out because I've been meaning to get something new to read

[pearl elk]

you might want to read the couple of Jack Ryan ones before that, not that you have to but it gives you abit of background on the character

its kinda an indirect sequel

[foggy path]

Ah

I watched some of the Jim from the Office fights terrorism series on Netflix

[pearl elk]

ahh yeah thats the one, not sure if those are derived from the books or based on

should be enough background for the book, gives you abit of a gist

tbh I should read some of these Net Force ones, could be some cool inspiration in there

[foggy path]

I read some Plato recently, never read any philosophy or learned anything about that in school

it was kinda interesting, might pick up another book on that topic

[pearl elk]

maybe try some Marcus Aurelius, old philosophy tends to be more interesting. I cant handle Freud, interesting but it gets abit too floaty

[verbal junco]

based on what you've read would you recommend a philosopher over a scientist 😏

[quasi mantle]

The Day After Tomorrow, typical Roland Emmerich natural disaster movie.

[pearl elk]

Im still waiting for the sequel to 2012, 2024

[foggy path]

@verbal junco lol I know what you're referring to but honestly if you've not read any you might find it interesting even if just for the novelty of it

[quasi mantle]

Inb4 they made a movie about 2038 :P

[verbal junco]

I have read a lot of philosphy

[foggy path]

ah

[pearl elk]

they'll have to make a prequel 1998 when the 90s craze comes back around

[foggy path]

yeah I had no idea about any of it so I grabbed The Last Days of Socrates just mostly out of curiosity

[verbal junco]

my opinion yesterday wasn't baseless lol

I do enjoy plato, I think he got some notions right

[pearl elk]

Socrates the precursor to lootcrates

[foggy path]

Yeah the book had some interesting ideas in it

I found the couple discussions it had on religious topics interesting since it predates christianity and there were a lot of similarities

(I'm not a religious person but still)

[verbal junco]

if you go back in history I think you'll find a lot of pre christian myths with similar ideas to christianity

[foggy path]

Yeah probably, it's just another topic I don't know that much in general :D

[verbal junco]

not to make it into a religious topic but perhaps you could say there are some very suspicious coincidences 😉

[foggy path]

lol

[verbal junco]

anyway in terms of philosophy I think there's a tier list

where Kant is on the bottom

and most others are somewhere in the middle

and uhhh

[foggy path]

oh yeah the other kind of interesting point was what they reasoned about opposites

[verbal junco]

not sure who's on top

[foggy path]

as in something along the lines of that every opposite comes from its opposite

eg. if you become beautiful you must've been ugly and vice versa

if you put it into words like that then it makes perfect sense, but just never thought about it in that way

[pearl elk]

If every meal is a feast then youve never feasted, or some such

[verbal junco]

it's for sure interesting. there's also a lot to be said for philosophy based on where it sprung from

for instance eastern philosophy considers different approaches than western philosophy, and that's also something that's prominent in the general culture

[foggy path]

yeah so I heard

[verbal junco]

the general gist of it can be summed up as: for the west, a single unity (e.g. a universal truth) exists outside the scope of who we are. in the east, that unity is part of all of us, and everything else

but I do recommend reading up on stuff like Tao Te Ching

[foggy path]

interesting, asian cultures seem to be more community oriented in general for some reason

[quasi mantle]

Man, the official NVIDIA archive of GPU Gems is so confusing to navigate. They messed up the TOC.

Would be nice if someone port it to .epub, just like how one ported Michael Abrash's book.

[quasi mantle]

Can confirm that.

Well, there are some exception if you want to be pedantic about it, but that's another can o' worms.

There's also a national slogan, "bhinneka tunggal ika" which just means "unity in diversity"

[verbal junco]

geert hofstede has an amazing book about cultural differences and how people think in various places

[foggy path]

finnish pagan religion also is in some ways similar to that kind of asian everything is part of us thing, oneness with nature and such

[verbal junco]

not so much philosophy, but rather sociology seeking a rational understanding of what's going on in the world so people can cooperate

[foggy path]

the sort of original nature based mythology which existed here before christianity and such

[wheat narwhal]

Living in Finland as a U.S. Citizen is a severe culture shock. Which is amusing because in many ways the cultures are incredibly similar but the few ways they differ is so insane.

[foggy path]

:D

I guess culturally it's similar as western cultures tend to be but I guess especially in politics and religion it's different

and with the whole welfare state aspect

[quasi mantle]

Do you enjoy the sauna?

[wheat narwhal]

People in the US are largely.. competitive? And not in the good way. Have a fantastic job? Nice car? That's nice. But you can definitely always get a better one. There's always one more step on the ladder to greatness. I have found that Finnish people at large aren't like that. Less stepping on each other just to get where they're going.

[verbal junco]

had no idea you were a US citizen. I thought you were finnish

[wheat narwhal]

It's not something I broadcast that often. 😄 For generally obvious reasons in the world right now.

[verbal junco]

I think finland is on the very extreme of scandinavian style culture

well meaning and nice generally, but often introverted and isolated

[wheat narwhal]

The bus stop meme is no joke. 😄

[foggy path]

Yeah the bus stop meme is very real

I don't think saying introverted and isolated is right though

[verbal junco]

I remember seeing something similar when people were queuing outside for a PS5 or something

[foggy path]

it's more about minding your own business

[verbal junco]

at least 2m between every person

[wheat narwhal]

Dude. Not having to smile and nod to every passing person that you don't even know is like taking a Xanax in itself.

[foggy path]

lol

[wheat narwhal]

I come from small town as well. So leaving a store without the rundown of your life is also nice.

[foggy path]

yeah I was in the US and once someone initiated small talk in the office bathroom... that was just weird and extra awkward

and yeah you go to a store and you say hi to the cashier and bye to the cashier and that's it lol

[broken sigil]

Meanwhile here people don't follow absolutely any restrictions, rules, and protest against vaccines 😐

[wheat narwhal]

You know the greatest thing about this? It was just as awkward for them. But in the US, silence is even more awkward. 😄

[foggy path]

lol

we went to an indian restaurant while in the US and the waiter just hovered around the table the entire time filling up everyone's water every time they looked to have drank a bit

it was also quite weird

lol

[wheat narwhal]

Haha, yeah. That weirded my wife out too. 😄

"I just want to eat my fucking hamburger in peace!"

[pearl elk]

I thought thats why you tip em to bugger off 😛

[foggy path]

sometimes it was nice though, the restaurant owner was talking to us after we were done eating and apparently he collected different currencies

[broken sigil]

You know what's awkward, going to a club once in your life and standing like a brick in the corner, went once and never again

[foggy path]

so I gave him some euro bills

he had various bills already but somehow no euros

you don't really talk to anyone in finland so nothing kind of fun like that happens either lol

[pearl elk]

I prefer warehouse raves to clubs

[wheat narwhal]

Euros will never stop looking like Monopoly money to me. >.>

[foggy path]

have you seen a 500 eur bill

it's so freaking huge in comparison to a 5 eur bill lol

[wheat narwhal]

Wait, they go that high? Does that even fit in a wallet? Cause they get bigger and bigger. O.o

[foggy path]

I've heard some smaller wallets struggle to fit those neatly yeah :D

[pearl elk]

jeez 500euro is a fair bit to carry around on one note

[foggy path]

Since 27 April 2019, the banknote has no longer been issued by central banks in the euro area, but continues to be legal tender

oh interesting

[wheat narwhal]

Meanwhile, you can be a badass in the States with a stack of ones. 😄

[pearl elk]

I would not be touching a US $1

[foggy path]

I've only seen a 500 eur bill once or twice so yeah it was never a common one

lol

[broken sigil]

Probably 😅
I very rarely drink, usually on New Years and that's about it
And by drink I mean a beer or 2 lol

I think I talked about this before here but I had a group of friends I used to hang out with and their definition of fun was getting drunk each weekend

I was always the only sober one sipping on my bottle of Pepsi lol

[verbal junco]

I think that's most general europeans though

[broken sigil]

And I pretty much haven't touched alcohol since I got my drivers license like 3 years ago

[wheat narwhal]

It's very nice. I don't have to memorize neighbor's names. Their kid's names. Their kid's hamster's name, or the three hamsters and the goldfish that have died before that.

[broken sigil]

I'm not fun at parties 😐 😅

[verbal junco]

no wonder the murder rate is so high in the US 😅

[pearl elk]

I love parties, just hate people 😛

[broken sigil]

😅

Ok I'm off to bed GN 💤

[foggy path]

I don't even know most of the people who are my neighbors

[verbal junco]

it's midday lol

[foggy path]

I almost never even see them

infact I have no idea who lives next door from me because I don't remember ever seeing them

[pearl elk]

it could be a serial killer 😮

[wheat narwhal]

☝️

[foggy path]

Nah those live a couple blocks over, I live in a slightly nicer area

lol

[pearl elk]

I think most serial killers would introduce themselves though and scope you out for prey

[verbal junco]

if I could have the housing ideals of the north combined with the climate of the south I'd be set

[broken sigil]

It's 2pm here but my sleep schedule couldn't be any more messed up than it already is... So yeah....

[wheat narwhal]

Personally, I love Winters in Finland. Specially the shorter days.

[verbal junco]

I went to siberia in winter once, and I think I got cursed with cold intolerance after that

[verbal junco]

sounds like classic dev problems

[wheat narwhal]

I dunno. I don't have that issue. Darkness doesn't really affect my energy levels much.

Long summer days make me a little restless though.

[cursive crypt]

Me just sleeps more.

It is bears nap

[verbal junco]

I get that. warm darkness if my favorite thing. add triple glazed windows for sound isolation and I'd be set

[wheat narwhal]

Building architecture is so different here too. It's odd not being on a ground level, even when you're in a superstore. 😄

Nice though. Usually pretty quiet even in a larger building.

[foggy path]

Sounds like a Helsinki based architectural thing lol

I guess some of the stores in the downtown area even here in Oulu were multistory buildings since they were built into older buildings

but at least majority of them outside the more built up areas are flat

[verbal junco]

christ that's far north

[foggy path]

Ehh, I've been to Nuorgam

[verbal junco]

I suppose people live in murmansk and arkangelsk too

or even svalbard

[wheat narwhal]

Not Helsinki. 😄 I don't want to cut off my left arm for real-estate. Living in Tampere.

Come to think of it, I don't even think I've seen much of Helsinki. Been over a large portion of Tampere, and have seen quite a bit of Jyvaskyla.

[foggy path]

I've just been to Helsinki while on my way somewhere else so not seen it much either :P

[quasi mantle]

Speaking of Finland, I'm curious, are male foreigners who stayed there still subject for military conscription?

[foggy path]

I don't think so, it's just for natives

There might be something like if you moved to Finland as a younger child and became a citizen? Not sure tbh, but at least if you come here as an adult they're not gonna put you into service

[quasi mantle]

Alright then. Was reading a bit about Finland's conscription (partly from noticing how Finnish demosceners were subject into those), thought it being applied to Finnish citizen also includes adult foreigners who stayed there.

[verbal junco]

I don't think it's within the rights of a foreign country to draft a person into conscription

can you imagine being on holiday somewhere and accidentally get drafted lmao

[foggy path]

tbh if you've over 18 I don't know if they would even draft you at all at that point because you get the draft thing when you turn 18

[quasi mantle]

I'm talking about those who moved citizenship into Finland, not necessarily visiting for tourism.

[foggy path]

being a citizen in general just means you don't need to keep applying for a residency permit :P

(I guess)

[pearl elk]

unless youre a star citizen

[zinc matrix]

So many Finns lol

Finland and Remedy Studios - that's a dream place to be 🎄

[foggy path]

I think the company doing the Varjo VR headset stuff would be quite interesting as well

all of these are in Helsinki though and don't take people remotely so out of the question for me because I ain't moving there :P

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LoS9mvrH_0&ab_channel=OPM-Topic

[wheat narwhal]

You don't need to do that after five years. You're not required to be a citizen, but you'll get a permanent residence then. You apply once for a.. year? I think? Then after that you apply for the four year one, then you pretty much get the permanent one after that.

[foggy path]

Ah

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/nanka-lazy-work-motivation-painting-gif-14905039

me working on my project right now -.-

[wheat narwhal]

I sort of feel that way. Only I'm spending all of my time trying to figure out how to use Prefabricator. 😄

I'm a little bit weirded out that you can't seem to simply add new things to a prefab. Feels like it would be a massive problem for workflows.

[zinc matrix]

same

it's just research process

before you make next masterpiece

frustrating tho

thinking about making sunny, cloudy and colorful environment

like mushroom hills, with big shrooms and big elephants

something out of this world lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuq6HgKgEFQ&ab_channel=D12VEVO

👀

and a bit mix of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0&ab_channel=dustasdu

throw some rabbits in just for kicks

[zinc matrix]

exactly

[novel storm]

What's a typical time to build a demo for a game, as a one-person team?

[night grove]

There's not really a single answer to that. Going to depend on a lot of factors.

Game jams are done on the order of 24 hours to a week, but tend to be simpler game concepts

But if there's a complicated mechanic being tested, it could be longer

Also depends on the expected end visual quality

[verbal junco]

a game jam is not necessary the same as showing a build off to a prospective publisher

you need more business side stuff, planning and budgeting, you need a solid hook in your pitch that draws players in... and you need to nail said hook in the gameplay of your demo

[novel storm]

I'm building a multi-player game for VR and flatscreen players

I'm worried that I'm setting unrealistic expectations for how long development will take

[quasi mantle]

MP's going to take knowledge on network replication, and a lot of testing.

[novel storm]

Oof. That's not good. I know the basics of replication.

[quasi mantle]

Even if it's through LAN, you gotta know the network replication.

[novel storm]

Yeah

Fortunately ALS Community and VRE already handle replication for their stuff out of the box

[quasi mantle]

How about your gameplay system?

[novel storm]

So far my enemy spawning mechanic works in multiplayer. I'm working on an inventory system atm, which I'm almost ready to test in multiplayer

I'm sure it won't work 100% as-is

[night grove]

Is your inventory system part of the core game loop? Can the game loop by simulated without an inventory system?

[novel storm]

Nah, it requires gathering a lot of ammo and supplies before killing enemies.

It's a wave-based game

[night grove]

gathering makes it sound like it may be part of the gameloop

[novel storm]

😆 Sorry, I meant yes