lounge

[zinc matrix]

https://youtu.be/eG2IPRr--nM

By choice

[cobalt oracle]

I am looking into using source builds anyway so why not add the switch 😅

[vale berry]

Rider exist and works 🙂

[celest musk]

rider exists? :>

[vale berry]

well the Rider for UnrealEngine does not exist (yet)

but Rider itself exist 😄

I do use Clion though 😄

[celest musk]

it's planned to be released for linux after the next build

at least thats what battletoad (from jetbrains) told last time i asked

[quasi mantle]

Don't jump ship if you don't know what you're doing.

[cobalt oracle]

rider doesn't exist, is a myth and broke my UE installation once 🔪
vscode master race

[vale berry]

vscode does exist 🙂 ... and with a minor patch(yeah I know I say that a lot) everything works as it should... no idea why the patch has not been merged in yet 😄

[quasi mantle]

Building and testing would be a hell in Linux.
It's much easier to develop in Windows and cross compile for Linux with clang toolchain.

[cobalt oracle]

on top of the UE4 intellisense fixed addon? 👀

[vale berry]

The CmakeFileList generation is broken and the file is just empty 🙂

😄

[quasi mantle]

I think developing from Linux first would be damning the compatibility with Windows, which is still the majority of OS installed for gaming. Even with Steam Deck being a thing, but competing with WinGPD and alike.

[cobalt oracle]

interesting, can't linux make windows builds? 🤔

[vale berry]

Building and testing is not hell.. it is not as easy but it does work... you should test on the target platform regardless of what platform you develop on 🙂

No

You need VS for Windows build....

[quasi mantle]

And VS IDE does not exist in Linux

[cobalt oracle]

VSIDE ain't good for me

I would have to buy the rider or resharper plugins

[vale berry]

yes but you need the toolchain 🙂

[cobalt oracle]

I am a cheapstake 😬

[vale berry]

I do have VM to build for Windows 🙂

works as well

[quasi mantle]

But Windows can compile for both Windows and Linux.

[cobalt oracle]

or KVM, I am checking my options...

[vale berry]

you do not rly need GPU for the build process

[quasi mantle]

If you have a military grade threadrippers, then I'll be your guest.

[cobalt oracle]

🥲
i5 4th gen

[vale berry]

that is old 🙂

[cobalt oracle]

🥲 intencifies

[vale berry]

You do not need that 🙂 but decent enough CPU is a must 🙂

[quasi mantle]

Remember that you still have to spare CPU threads for a proper CPU pinning to work. Otherwise, you'd spent a year waiting for building.

[cobalt oracle]

Yeah, I think I'll have to stick with Windows + WSL for a bit longer then

[quasi mantle]

Not using CPU pinning in KVM is no different than using Level 2 VM contemporaries.

[vale berry]

Takes me about the same time on the non virtual Linux as on the virtualized Windows to package my game... that is a slight myth 🙂

but I do pin my CPUs... 😄

and I have an i9...

[quasi mantle]

Slight myth to you, but giving the bare metal to the KVM is better than being conflicted with the Linux host. Time is money after all - don't you want all the time saves?

[vale berry]

Nah.. I use Unreal on Linux... 😄

[quasi mantle]

CPU pinning makes the Linux host operates happily, while KVM do all the grunt.

I still use Unreal on Windows, because I hate Linux :P

[vale berry]

I can see that 😄

[quasi mantle]

I scrapped that lol

I found the merits more than the practicality.

[vale berry]

Oh he knows his stuff and he probably knows his way around 🙂 just has a different workflow that probably just does not work that great on Linux, which is just fine... the OS is a tool that does have to work for you 🙂 breaking your neck to use a platform is just not worth it if the platform does not work for you 🙂

For me Unreal on Linux is more of a challenge and a side project to push myself to do something extra to improve the ecosystem 🙂

[cobalt oracle]

Yet, here I am trying yo master unreal engine 🤣

[vale berry]

If you are learning any platform is fine... you will run into more issues, more quickly on Linux which is true.. but for some that is part of the "fun" 🙂

[celest musk]

xD

[quasi mantle]

Better give all the expensive bare metals to Windows than sparing half of it to Linux.
Most of the FOSS I use also available for Windows, so honestly I lose nothing for using Windows as a main development.

[celest musk]

i feel more like i could fix broken things on linux, rather than on windows

[vale berry]

I do lose something.. my sanity... (and not trying to start a war here) as I said.. OS is a tool and it has to work for you not against you :).. so if Windows works for you why would you switch 🙂 if it does not sure give Linux a try, we will be there to help out... but if it does not work 🤷 🙂

[quasi mantle]

Not to mention even the vanilla Archvile Linux ended up occupying the same amount of RAM as Windows in idle.

Oh right. I use strange naming for Linux distros.

[vale berry]

Noticed 😄

[deep glen]

i just learned that daz takes 50% of any sales on their marketplace O_O

[vale berry]

daz?

[celest musk]

well probably >50% of their store content is a ripoff anyways

[quasi mantle]

Archvile = Archie = Arch Linux
Booty = Ubuntu
M'lady = Fedora
Wendy's = Windows

[celest musk]

considering that most characters are just some shapekeys/morphs

and a lot of them use the same skin generator for their "custom" skin textures

[deep glen]

daz actually kicks out people that dont submit original content

[quasi mantle]

Holy shit that's a lot of cut

[deep glen]

and just like epic, there is always a chance something is missed

[celest musk]

well they probably have rules, thats why other marketplaces exist

the good thing about the daz store is that they have the interactive license stuff, which is somehow vague on other stores

some do have something similar, some don't

it works pretty well with wine

but theres a little twist

[quasi mantle]

No.

[vale berry]

😄

[quasi mantle]

At least not natively.

[celest musk]

they use postgresql for their database, so you need to install a postgresql server on your host

[vale berry]

Oh.. will it actually use the native postgres?:D that is kind of ... cool/strange 😄

[celest musk]

well end of day, postgresql uses "plain" tcp sockets, so the software doesn't care

[quasi mantle]

I think iClone Character Creator is also not natively available on Linux.

[celest musk]

is it good, tho? I've took a peek at it, but meh

i know that lot of people use it in their DAZ => unreal pipeline

[deep glen]

tis (expensive, especially since you need an additional plugin to get daz working in CC)

[quasi mantle]

Honestly I'm lost when using either software lol

Though granted none of them really do anime models, so I have no pressure to use them.

[celest musk]

yea thats how i felt, the UI is... something one has to get used to

[deep glen]

ive never hated a ui more than daz's XD

[celest musk]

yea thats also one of the kind 😄

good i don't have to do anything in there other than exporting stuff 😄

[quasi mantle]

Saying that Daz UI is more confusing than pre-2.8 Blender is an understatement.

[celest musk]

never heard of cascadeur

i do it all in blender

[quasi mantle]

Try this
Daz->Blender->UE+control rig<->Cascadeur

[deep glen]

im working on a daz > ue4 workflow

control rig will be in the daz2unreal bridge update that will come end of (next) month

(the dazbridge is fubar btw)

[quasi mantle]

Simply put, Cascadeur is IK based animating with physical calculations

[deep glen]

cascadeur is awesome

not sure I could get their animations working as I need to move almost 800 morphs.

[quasi mantle]

My workflow right now is this
VRoid Studio -> Blender -> UE4 + Control Rig

Oh right, VRoid does not available on Linux natively as well 🤭

Simply put, anime style character creator.
It's good for proto-ing together the designs.

Though bringing it to UE4 isn't really straightforward, as there's some issues with the armature (even though it is close to UE standard)

I could drool on about anime graphics in UE4 all day long.

[celest musk]

literary^

[quasi mantle]

One thing that VRoid lacks is twist bones, which makes poses like holding a rifle looks horrendous.
Ended up resorting to Auto Rig Pro to rerig them into proper game ready rig.

I do send the devs various feedbacks, but I don't know if they'll gonna address the issue I mentioned to them.

[celest musk]

does that remove the twist bones?

[quasi mantle]

No twist bones = no rifle poses

[celest musk]

but don't you lose the weight?

i like my twist bones, as much as i hated them when i started

[quasi mantle]

I did, from 87 kg to 80 kg

[celest musk]

congratulations

i rather keep the original weights

they work well with joint correction morphs

yea, weight transfer in blender should work

but for me the daz rig works fine, so i don't have to bother with this

makes sense

retargeting stuff sometimes also produces a mess for my rig, but most of the times it works

[deep glen]

https://twitter.com/Luos_83/status/1444422686965391360

Luos_83 (@Luos_83)

Left: 22 year old kitty (Chibi)
Right: 12 year(ish) old catto (Hito)

#CatsofTwittter https://t.co/45Eg9vmerW

▶ Play video

Twitter · Oct 2, 2021, 10:02 PM

[foggy path]

it's interesting how with cats you can tell if it's an old cat because it looks more scruffy :D

[deep glen]

yea, chibi has been going really scruffy in the last year

she's now as old as her mom was

baww

hehe, chibi has her tongue out almost always, ever since she was a kitten

[median wraith]

oh wow 22 years

[cursive crypt]

Cuties, I hope they live long, healthy and of course, well petted.

[timber viper]

This thought more like deserve this one : https://screamintothevoid.com/

[ionic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/subnautica-scary-coffin-dance-birthday-party-secretcode1703-gif-17009859

[pearl elk]

this is why I just write all my games in three.js now

[ionic flame]

to avoid the coffin dance?

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wasted-gif-20563857

[ionic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/as5HjpJ.gif

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-supervisor-new-supervisor-evil-hank-hill-gif-11754931

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/dRl7A13.gif

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/hitgirl-kickass-chloegracemoretz-kickassknife-gif-7914761

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/ThmLa0C.png

[median wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-sad-upset-tired-star-wars-gif-15907225

[tulip orbit]

normal that is

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bug-insects-cockroaches-music-gif-5045519

Looks like Im gonna have to do a custom liquid cooling loop to get more out of my PC

[ancient ingot]

wtf Mons 🤣

[pearl elk]

Joes Apartment, great movie 😛

[ancient ingot]

lol ooooooooooooook

2 lesbians and a plumber, awesome movie 😉

[pearl elk]

isnt that called Mario Bros in Japan

[ancient ingot]

🤣

[pearl elk]

but yeah my junction temps on my GPU get super high in Rage Mode, I can go higher but I need better cooling

[ancient ingot]

ohhh i have no idea what that entails so ill stick to AIO's lol

also

https://i.imgur.com/JI9ksqc.png

kate upton mmmmmmmmmm

[pearl elk]

I got an AIO for the CPU atm and it does a great job but I need the GPU powah

[ancient ingot]

my gpu remains remarkably cool

[pearl elk]

Im just too lazy to wait half a gen to get a decent waterblock on a GPU 😛

[ancient ingot]

haha lazy shit 😛

[pearl elk]

maybe I just sell this one soon and get a 7900XT lol

[ancient ingot]

🤣

[pearl elk]

still has new car smell, never been crypto'd, $450 more than I paid 😛

[ancient ingot]

nothing......;)

i just prefer to see kate upton instead of the U logo lol

🤣 nope not hiding!

[quasi mantle]

It's 3d scanned Kate Upton

[pearl elk]

myshooter is aimed at kate upton

mammites

[ancient ingot]

🤣 omg behave

[quasi mantle]

Nanite is cool

But can it jiggle?

No jiggle physics = lame

[ancient ingot]

lol im chilled 😄 jiggle physics with Chaos ? hmmm i think so

[quasi mantle]

Though chaos is largely for destruction, perhaps even simpler anim dynamics setup can get a working jiggle physics.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/bamboo-bamboo-panda-panda-dance-dancing-gif-21444267

[ancient ingot]

🤣

anyone know how to set the default font size in Rider?

[quasi mantle]

Though NGL in recent days I developed more "liking" towards grown up anime girls with smaller chest. Dunno why, but it just happened.

[ancient ingot]

i need a fucking telescope to read this

[quasi mantle]

Before that, I used to be biased towards larger ones (and kinda affecting my character designs)

[pearl elk]

ctrl+scroll wheel

[quasi mantle]

On the preferences, maybe?

I lost access to Rider, run out of the free trial period.

[ancient ingot]

i see a font size but only if i use a custom font 😐

[quasi mantle]

Maybe install JetBrains Mono font and use that as custom font?

Or Cascadia Code, which is better than JetBrains Mono IMO

[ancient ingot]

ohh thats an idea, i know about ctrl + scroll wheel but it gets annoying doing it for every file

oh cascadia, not tried that

https://i.imgur.com/4HJ545G.png

thats the only font size setting on that page :/

[pearl elk]

I like Inconsolata

[ancient ingot]

oo

[quasi mantle]

Cascadia's regular is slightly bold, and has that nice curvy slab look, which I adore and has been my default monospace font.

[ancient ingot]

i like curves 😄

[pearl elk]

I like bold fonts and I cannot lie

[ancient ingot]

thats a bold statement

[mossy nexus]

Elephant and human

[cursive crypt]

... reporting that elephant feet for copyright violation.

[foggy path]

tfw internet users discover that mammals are pretty similar even if they look different lol

[median wraith]

We are inside guys

🤖

I love how the people purchases the Phasmophobia kit

like the game itself copy paste the demo map as is

[burnt lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/247835175860305931/894144309715173376/Wing_of_the_Hill_-_Fanmade_Intro.mp4

[plucky fable]

Anyone down to play star citizen?

[cursive crypt]

https://gfycat.com/tepidshrillgavial

[obtuse glacier]

that has got to be the best game ive ever seen

[cursive crypt]

It's definitely fulfilling experience.

[fluid bloom]

heh, my kid just learned how to laugh

it's funny how almost every single day they learn something new

[celest musk]

what game is this?

[fluid bloom]

star citizen?

wobbly true first person anims are a pretty strong hint

[celest musk]

what do you guys think about those wobbly FP animations?

i'm not sure if they improve immersion or if they are just straight unrealistic at all 😄

[fluid bloom]

I usually hate how they lock mouse movement during montages like that sitting animation

like, my vision doesn't tilt to the left when I sit IRL

while in that anim it does

that's one issue too

[celest musk]

yea usually the brain does filter out small movements

[plucky fable]

its star citizen

wanna play it with me

[celest musk]

no

[plucky fable]

ok

[broken sigil]

I don't like it, it makes me sick very quickly

I mean in real life your head is not bobbling all over the place, and smaller movements are filtered by the brain so "true" FPS to me doesn't add to immersion, it's just more annoying and unrealistic

[celest musk]

i was more curious because of the graphics and interaction system

[median wraith]

these called "real FPS camera"

?

[celest musk]

idk, are they really called like that?

because to me it's also annoying like blue man said

[median wraith]

well there are cameras attached to the head

and moved and shakes to pretend more realism

and I don't like that

[celest musk]

yea thats how it looks like for my game currently with camera attached to headbone

and i want to get rid of it

but not sure yet how

either stabilizing the head with IK, or having another mesh which is rendered due montages

[shell rapids]

Isn’t there a base / root bone you could attach it to?

[fluid bloom]

then it wouldn't follow the animated head

though I think star citizen does stabilize the camera when the movement is within a certain threshold

[celest musk]

yea and the camera would also clip into the character mesh

as i currently don't have an separate FPS mesh

[shell rapids]

I was originally thinking attaching the cam to the root bone with a sufficient offset. Another solution I had was a ‘camera bone’, which may not be ideal either.

[cursive crypt]

I was hearing some weird noise when navigating inside Blender. Turns it was my mouse. Now I can't unhear.

[median wraith]

wish the wired keyboards came with bluetooth for the phone

it's a pain to me to write with the phone keyboard

[cursive crypt]

Maybe some indie company from AliBaba is selling keyboard USB -> Bluetooth 🙂

Otherwise, if you have a tablet say, it is handy to have a small bluetooth kbd.

[celest musk]

https://hackaday.com/2016/09/04/convert-any-usb-keyboard-to-bluetooth/

[ionic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-head-shake-fun-india-india-head-shake-gif-20531922

[broken sigil]

lol

[ionic flame]

it just means that you need more neck training

I hope you're not the one driving lol

cuz that's borderline legally blind lmao

[median wraith]

Man I don't get the tank games

Will never know these and the dota and alike ones

🤖

[median wraith]

hahaha

Konami Digital

[shell rapids]

I’m a little board…
want to work on an interesting UE4 engine bug…
too bad the github issue tracker is private…

[foggy path]

Just work on a project of reasonable size and I'm sure you'll run into bugs :P

Here's one: If you call SetActorCollision(true) and enable physics on the root component, and also SetActorLocation(somewhere) - all during the same frame - the location is completely ignored

there's also a whole bunch of bugs in UMG in how it does layout, it's supposed to calculate it before rendering, but it doesn't really work and in some cases there's very noticeable layout shuffle for one or two frames

[celest musk]

no, fix my light build bug please 😄

[shell rapids]

@celest musk 😂 I need a way to replicate it first. 😉

[celest musk]

add an lightmap importance volume, remove it, try to build lighting

and/or enable GPU Lightmass plugin and disable it, not sure which one triggered the bug

[shell rapids]

Some of these I guess I’ll need to get more familiar with actual game dev first. 😅

Alright so issue 1:

• memory error (undefined behavior); linux

Steps to reproduce:

• create empty bp project
• add “lightmap importance volume”
• delete the volume
• click “build lighting”

Issue 2:

• SetActorLocation is ignored in corner-case

Steps to reproduce:

• create empty c++ project
• create actor (simple ball should do?)
• SetActorCollision(true) => enable physics on actor’s root component => SetActorLocation(location)

@foggy path are these calls executed in the actor’s begin-play, tick, another actor’s/world’s callback, or does it matter?

[shell rapids]

you bein' serious? 🤔

just checkin'

[foggy path]

afaik doesn't matter. I ran into this when I was refactoring my pickup/drop logic, so that would have ran during normal gameplay logic

you may have to first turn collisions off using SetActorCollision(false), it differs from just setting the actor's collision settings to NoCollision

[shell rapids]

just found epics issue tracker ( https://issues.unrealengine.com/ ) 😆

[celest musk]

epic wasn't able to fix that for years, so good luck on that one... 😄

[shell rapids]

not sure I understand what the exact issue is yet... would be interesting though

[ionic flame]

this behavior makes sense though

Primitive components simulating physics have their transform handled by the physics system, which runs separately from the Actor hierarchy

also that's not what teleporttype does

as for Zomg's thingy, I remember being in that convo with them in #cpp when found that occurrence lol

#cpp is life

https://tenor.com/view/crab-safe-dance-gif-13211112

[feral imp]

https://img.memecdn.com/would-you-join-xhamster-just-to-make-someone-happy_o_7187292.gif

[scenic barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wUixhV13gI

SPOOKIER take

[shell rapids]

How much do you know about programming already?

[shell rapids]

And functions?

void my_subroutine() {
    // do stuff
}

return_type my_function(type1 param1, type2 param2, etc…) {
    // do work
    return your_result;
}

With types (like int, bool, float, etc) and functions, you pretty much would know the foundations of programming in general. C++ just adds classes, templates, and namespaces to the mix (ways to organize and simplify code).

You could probably get a good review of C++ in about 10-20 min from a few online vids. 😉

[quasi mantle]

Start from making simple command console codes first, then step up to using Win32 API.

[shell rapids]

Win32 API might be a bit much IMO. Even I shied away from that when I was first starting out.

It can be straight forward it you know what you are doing. Simple console programs though are a great way to start out.

[quasi mantle]

Well, it kinda is. Basically a lot of message/event affairs, otherwise the app won't respond.

Coding for command console is much simpler because it's going to run the code as is until you specifically make it wait for input.

[remote fog]

Hey people, I'm about to publish my trailer soon and there are two sentences in English. So I want to make sure if there is anything weird so if there is a native speaker here, I'd really appreciated your help.

[shell rapids]

Native English?

[remote fog]

Yeah, native english speaker

[shell rapids]

Umm… 😂😅🤔

[remote fog]

Could you help? 😅 A very short video, already clipped it so wouldn't take much time.

[shell rapids]

You just want a second opinion?

[remote fog]

Of course

[shell rapids]

Okay

[remote fog]

Let me add you so I can send DM. Thank you very much 🙂

[shell rapids]

(You can even send DM without add 😉)

[obtuse glacier]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6gkN5lGMV6Dt5Ac8zuErDR?si=7995641261284228

ngl why is this theme so good

[broken sigil]

that's actually not bad 👀

[obtuse glacier]

ikr

its not as great as 4s tho

THOUGH I AM EXCITED ABOUT THE FUCKING BETA

and halo too

[broken sigil]

Yeah I'm curious about the new Battlefield, looks promising

[obtuse glacier]

yeah

overall theres alot of research you can do for things like enviromentalling and tornados in that game

and destruction

[zinc matrix]

imagine if you are into a beach with these?

and they resolve boil you in a cookpot! O_O

there is any spawn machine in films, games etc. that you remember?

I am looking for things like that stick pole in Borderlands where you do respawn if you die.

so far inspirations are building from things like this,

this one I do not know where it came from but from first Unreal game or Unreal Tournament 1999

I only played the 2003 so I can not chat much

[ancient ingot]

anyone know why there is a 42GB common folder for DDC on my boot drive?

[median wraith]

that's the things UE4 generates I think

isn't it ?

the shaders data

[ancient ingot]

ahh good cause i been trying to think why my boot drive is full lol

tnx

[pearl elk]

probably 20 UE4 versions of shaders

[ancient ingot]

yey :/

[median wraith]

can confirm you a single one fills 30gb

isn't per version but per project

[pearl elk]

114.27GB to go updating CoD Cold War lol

[cursive crypt]

ponkkis

Why that chick picture? Where is the dwarf?

https://tenor.com/view/converted-alarm-age-of-empires-conversion-age-of-mythology-gif-21556070

[pearl elk]

Im a weeb developer

[subtle hatch]

I need to start playing some early unreal engine titles.

Games running on unreal engine 1 and 2.

Got any good titles to suggest ?

[carmine frigate]

unreal and unreal 2

[mossy nexus]

Brothers In Arms was an Unreal 2 game. Played again last year. It has it's moments but oh dear god... 😄

[cursive crypt]

Т.Т 👍

It also kinda reminds me of Icewind Dale, back then when I was young and romantic.

Looks like MOA also went retro.

haha, no problem. It is anyway my pov.

[pearl elk]

Klingon Honour Guard, Unreal Championship 2, Pariah, Tribes Vengeance, Undying, Star Wars: Republic Commando

[foggy path]

Republic Commando is great

[cursive crypt]

rip

[pearl elk]

what were they token 😛

[quasi mantle]

Basically Unreal Tournament games, OG Deus Ex, Splinter Cell (Ubisoft main'd Unreal Engine until Assassin's Creed), Killing Floor 1

Highly recommend KF1 tho - it makes good use of UE2, even when UE3 is already 3 y.o. on its release.

[pearl elk]

Bioshock

[normal prism]

Ninja'ed @zinc matrix

😏

[cursive crypt]

ninja is build system, so... i have also no idea.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/ninjago-fire-lego-ninja-powers-gif-16764919

well that worked

[cursive crypt]

🤘🤛👌🖐️🤜👏🙏 KATON!!! 🔥

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-dance-fortnite-game-gif-16178001

[pearl elk]

facebook deed

its dead but with a northern british accent 😛

[foggy path]

You mean Ninja from King of Tapes?

[boreal moss]

Telegram and Discord works

so all good

[pearl elk]

and the world keeps on tiktoking

https://tenor.com/view/jarosiewicz-mr-bean-szur-neos-foliarz-gif-18795127

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/corrupted-gif-22728370

[icy veldt]

anyone here ever got strange experience with samsung tablets, where screen would give strange feeling, like it would zap slightly with electricity?

[cursive crypt]

Reminds of the tubes once upon time. I loved to slide my arm across and see how the hair was straightening.

https://tenor.com/view/electrostatic-hair-christina-project-almanac-bad-hair-day-whats-happening-with-my-hair-gif-18754186

[boreal moss]

yes, and often times at a distance, not even touching

also it triggers commands

like 1 cm away

[icy veldt]

in my case it only zaps when its running aps or something, when I just must around screen, i dont feel anything

anyway to fix besides returning?

[boreal moss]

try to zap other people

why return it

[icy veldt]

cause its zapping

[median wraith]

the whole country have instagram, facebook, whatsapp down

[cursive crypt]

oh no

anyway

[pearl elk]

The country of facebook is gone without a trace

Someone call the UN

[manic kite]

It's the entire world with facebook problems

[pearl elk]

Also dry your feet when using your phone so it doesnt zap

[regal pecan]

BGP routes broke. Don't know what those are.

[quasi mantle]

Good riddance

[deep glen]

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1445072650720591875

@jack lets nazis target my family (@chadloder)

Someone nuked the DNS A and AAA records for Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp 🤭

Retweets

8817

Likes

23161

Twitter · Oct 4, 2021, 5:05 PM

[drifting quest]

lol

[median wraith]

yeah isn't working on the country and others

seems to be global now

yepe

[manic kite]

I work at Vodafone, we're getting flooded with people asking if it's our problem, it's actually global now

[quasi mantle]

This whole ordeal reminds me of one mission in GTA V, planting bomb phone into Facebook spoof HQ

Also parodied in GTA V, it's no longer stonks

[deep glen]

haha yea

KABOOM

good moment to buy some stock XD

[quasi mantle]

Be a billionaire and reach the maximum signed 32-bit integer value in no time

[deep glen]

lol

[carmine frigate]

it was an inside job

https://tenor.com/view/intel-new-logo-intel-gif-19460608

[ionic flame]

the thousands [if not millions] being lost today from people companies running their events and marketing stuff

fun day

[quasi mantle]

But wait
There's more

A bit of google-fu, and I found reports about whistleblowers exposing Facebook's despicable evil mega corp scheme on mainstream media.

The whistleblowing news came out few hours before the massive outage.

[ionic flame]

[quasi mantle]

https://youtu.be/_Lx5VmAdZSI

[carmine frigate]

steve jobs was talking to aliens, i see that on history channel

[ionic flame]

"video is unavailable in your country"

[quasi mantle]

It's watchable from Indonesia 🤔

[carmine frigate]

i dont need whistleblowers to tell me FB is an evil corp:P

[quasi mantle]

As if we didn't live in the world of Metal Gear Solid 2 already.

[median wraith]

why they did't hack Tinder as well ? isn't it from Facebook ?

[quasi mantle]

Isn't Tinder on their own?

[median wraith]

nope

well what the heck

🤔

and how these both are connected ?

[quasi mantle]

Tinder originally required access to a Facebook account to use the app, but it began allowing users to register with just a telephone number in August 2019.

[median wraith]

like they let you use the same login and such

oh

[soft night]

twitter seems having also issues now

[quasi mantle]

Not down completely, right? Probably due to current traffic influx

[soft night]

just some tweets not loading what people tweet about

[ionic flame]

🍿

[lucid walrus]

the technological oligopoly is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

[ionic flame]

Who would've thought that people would go brrr if the biggest media platform went down lol

[lucid walrus]

I hope mastodon.social will catch on soon...

[quasi mantle]

TBH Facebook were good in the days of uwu emo teen trends. Sure, things were cringy, but innocent enough.

Nowadays, it's a psychological hell.

In my country alone, many families and friendships were fucked over by extremist propagandas distributed on Facebook.

[broken sigil]

I use it only for messaging friends, and when I wanna have a laugh at people's stupidity

[soft night]

i keep connect for family in facebook services

my mom even reboot her new phone after whatsapp she wasnt able to use today

[quasi mantle]

And it sucks WhatsApp is wholly owned by Facebook.

[quasi mantle]

My family also centered around WhatsApp, and they refuse alternatives.

[ionic flame]

messaging friends/family & watching comedy/anime videos /memes

I block/hide everything else

[quasi mantle]

It's midnight in my time zone, so it's probably resolved by dawn.

[broken sigil]

If you can't think of a plot for your game just read through one of the conspiracy theories on FB

It's like a random game idea generator

[manic kite]

Now, this, this is big brain

[quasi mantle]

I already wrote in that fashion for my sci-fi RPG.
Which is an entirely different, contemporary cyberpunk story, under working title Xenoglossia

(also drew inspiration from Metal Gear Solid games)

Right now I have to focus on current project, which is more of high fantasy anime RPG.

Though ngl I really wanted to write a sci-fi story, but that's for another day.

[ionic flame]

I mean, the world do sometimes be like that

[broken sigil]

Yeah it's sad when people actually start believing in the BS they read on FB

[soft night]

i have seen more conspiracy theories in twitter thna fb

[ionic flame]

Then you spend more time on Twitter than fb

[soft night]

well that cant even match to count to what i get on my youtube feed

[quasi mantle]

The gist of Xenoglossia is that the protagonist is part of an underground rebel group fighting against an evil mega corp that controls the network and life/death of people in the sprawling near future city. The evil mega corp doesn't appear to be blatantly evil - on public, they deploy universal "startup" marketing, pretend that they care about the people, while in secret, they have control over the military forces, exploiting on work labor, and conducting inhumane experiments.

[ionic flame]

just join one of those "philosophical" or "thinking" / "intelectual" groups on fb

[soft night]

see if you dont join those then you are free from it

[ionic flame]

conspiracies go brr

[broken sigil]

Epic employee using Rider 😏

https://tenor.com/view/resistance-is-futile-peyton-list-lieutenant-narissa-rizzo-star-trek-picard-resistance-is-pointless-gif-21803875

[ionic flame]

I remember I was a member of one a long time ago, cuz I wanted to actually have somewhat meaningful convos. 3 days after, left all of them after 95% of posts were people complaining about shiz

[ionic flame]

that acting omg 👀

[broken sigil]

lol

[ionic flame]

that acting should be a bannable offense

[quasi mantle]

Speaking of conspiracies, the evil mega corp also attempted to censor out any news about the rebel members being killed by private investigators, and using their machine learning algorithm to hide the evidences, so that nothing happens in the Seven Days in June war.

[broken sigil]

That's sadly the best gif I was able to find 😅

[ionic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-this-is-not-fair-thats-wtf-scream-gif-12401456

[quasi mantle]

Dang, I just wrote some sick 1984 wannabe plot. Maybe playing MGS2 for hours didn't help me either.

What should the evil mega corp be called? Something that sounds like "startup tech corpo from Silicon Valley"

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[soft night]

seems that engineers of facebook cant even enter the building

[ionic flame]

yeah

Remember you have to oil your machine every time you empty the bin

[soft night]

LDAP authentication seems not working in facebook also

[ionic flame]

@zinc matrix you're on fire 2day m8

ngl; I forgot paper2d was part of the engine

OT - I like that I've hid so many things in youtube that I just get music & game videos in the home page

[regal pecan]

If you hide everything in youtube, what's the last thing it gives you?

[deep glen]

(stealing all these links from fellow discord people)

[ionic flame]

Hahahaha

[finite helm]

omgg

[quasi mantle]

Today I just realised Gamasutra rebranded to Game Developer
I mean, the sexual pun is kinda funny and mixed to me, but I guess more distinct name wasn't on their list?

[deep glen]

still think its a weird rename, you know how hard itll be to google that shiz

[quasi mantle]

At least the former, even with the innuendo, is distinct enough to be a brand.
The latter though? A general term, and not distinct in search results. So much so that I thought it was some kind of leeching websites that poisoned Google search results recently.

Even weirder is that the title and robots.txt description matches the real thing.

Even even weirder is that some of them appears in page 1.

[soft night]

ponkkis or get some political party videos on suggested on youtube for me

facebook seems coming back

[deep glen]

both not interested and dont suggest channel dont work for me, havent worked for me for half a year now.

[mossy nexus]

Just saw a new asset on the MP, creating custom shaped trigger volumes. Which has been an engine feature for a while now.... 😄

[regal pecan]

Gamasutra was such a great brand. If they don't want it, I'll buy it for a dollar.

[ionic flame]

Day 1 of using light theme: brain is going brr, not yet in a productive way.

Updates coming soon

[timber viper]

White theme with Rider is pretty cool ngl but I cant relax my eyes while working on it lol

Wish there was a setting to reduce the brightness of light theme

[foggy path]

lol this is the source code example used in a finnish article about FB outage

[pearl elk]

urrrgh I have a super odd issue with Windows, might be related to an update and Ive unplugged everything I can! The device icon flickers on my taskbar notification area

[pearl elk]

Wait a sec... Game Developer isnt a sexual pun? 😦

there goes my, Im into role playing games line

[quasi mantle]

FOSS people be like making the code open source but complains about some parties leeching off of their precious FOSS

[slow gyro]

Do we have any Designers here that could recommend special software/services to keep all your story, characters, and maybe more together? Can be a paid service (but not Articy, cause I still want to be able to afford food).

[quasi mantle]

Not sure professionally, but I personally use Twine (https://twinery.org/)

[slow gyro]

Currently looking at WorldAnvil, which seems to be okayish, but also more directed at DND stuff

I'll check, thanks!

[cursive crypt]

Book them on Steam, once an year they get a discount. It is also a permanent license.

[cursive crypt]

How so flicker? Do they flicker in the Device manager too?

[pearl elk]

Nah I checked the device manager, everything looks stable. All my drives and usbs are fine, its just the icon on the task tray thingo coming and going randomly

possible driver problem as far as I can tell from abit of research

[cursive crypt]

Driver of what?

[slow gyro]

You mean World anvil?

[cursive crypt]

Nah, Articy

[pearl elk]

No idea, updating GPU driver now. Could be audio, I dont keep the latest Nahmic thingo installed cuz its annoying

[cursive crypt]

Ah, yeah, fun debugging.

[slow gyro]

I saw their sale on their website for like 1200€ per year. Idk if that 99€/month sale is limited or forever.

[cursive crypt]

Wuut? It was 70 euro before 4 months.

[slow gyro]

Depends on the tier you need I guess

[cursive crypt]

Well, the Steam one. You want a team?

[pearl elk]

You should write some json by hand, nice and cheap option 😛

[slow gyro]

Yeah needs to be for a team

[cursive crypt]

That a team one + cloud + support... definitely not cheap.

Ah, okay. Hmm... Well, let me see whether I kept up some bookmarks from before. I was researching these time ago.

[slow gyro]

WorldAnvil is less game specific and costs a fraction of this. So Articy is not really an option then ):

We basically need it for all sorts of design stuff.

Characters, Enemies, Skills, Skill trees, Data sheets, world maps.

Probably once more a pretty big hole in the market

[cursive crypt]

https://arcweave.com/
https://www.chatmapper.com/features/
https://github.com/YarnSpinnerTool/YarnEditor
https://github.com/steffendx/GoNorth
https://www.storylinecreator.com/
Anvil, Twine you were said. Scrivener is more narration...

[slow gyro]

Thanks will check them in a bit

[cursive crypt]

Enjoy

[pearl elk]

I get in trouble for using just text files all the time, people are like but why dont you use super complex planning and management softwares for our 5 person team 😛

[cursive crypt]

Well organised google doc is enough more times than expected.

[pearl elk]

I think its just that most of these software are made so generic someone hasnt made the game designer templates to really make use of em. Its not like the world is short on CMS etc

I remember bout 20yrs ago I was writing an access database, I thought I was a master making this cool game creation tool which could hold my game. Wasnt too long I realised the data requirements for game design are far more fluid than a strict database can hold

[cursive crypt]

Yeah, a classic move, building the cart without knowing what is horse.

[foggy path]

I have a list of issues and some wiki pages which contains all of my documents :P

but it might be a bit tricky if you have something larger or complex

[pearl elk]

this is why I kinda like the plain text, it scales pretty well and works with any repo softwares

[cursive crypt]

Power move: use stackoverflow to log the tickets for your game, let the others make it.

[foggy path]

lol

Obsidian.md is kinda interesting

it's basically a markdown based notes tool I guess, but with two-way links between pages

[pearl elk]

so what youre saying is we need a graphdown language lol

[pearl elk]

There was actually an interesting article I read the other day about how younger people dont entirely understand the concept of a folder/directory because they use search. (and how us older people perhaps overused directories) There is a search function built in to so many things, sometimes its even quicker to find what youre after and Im sure it'll only get faster. It makes you wonder if the way we think about assets these days is all wrong, theres evidence to show it productivity can be greatly improved by using AI power search

[pearl elk]

https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z

heh it was the verge

[foggy path]

Eh

As usual I think they're drawing too hasty conclusions based on just talking to some randos who haven't really thought of this that much

categorization (folders) and search aren't mutually exclusive concepts

search only works when you know what you're looking for

categorization allows you to find things when you don't

a person who hasn't had to create complex projects obviously wouldn't have had a need to learn how to categorize things when they're used to using apps which put things into their own walled gardens anyway

but searching is faster when you know what you want

[lucid walrus]

I remember one of my teachers saying that back in 1995 when Altavista was new. 🙂

[foggy path]

the reason search engines work for when you have only a vague idea is because of categorization lol

good luck finding a binary file you didn't bother naming properly or putting somewhere useful purely via metadata search

[cursive crypt]

Tend to agree organising helps searching. File, folders, tagging, etc. won't disappear.

[foggy path]

I think in theory a sufficiently advanced suitable AI could do that work for you

it would need to be able to recognize context from the types of files you work with, which could be a bit of a hard problem to solve in a general purpose fashion

plus being able to recognize what you want given only vague descriptions of what you're looking for, which is probably more possible assuming it was first able to contextualize the data it has indexed

[cursive crypt]

They are free to work on that AI, imma continue the old way meanwhile.

[lucid walrus]

I remember using BeOS back in the 90s. It had a database-like file system where you could put any kind of metadata on files and use that to find them. The built-in mail application had each piece of mail as an individual file with metadata for the sender, etc and you could find them using regular file searches... it was amazing and way before its time!

Wonder what Apple would have been today if they bought BeOS instead of NeXT... (probably nowhere as succesful, but still...)

[pearl elk]

I think the idea is that the metadata is typically more important than the file name.

File systems are becoming more virtualised and data is found through filters. Folders used to act as filters but arnt flexible enough

The concept isnt that data becomes unorganised, just that its less important for a human to be the one sorting

[foggy path]

yeah

[pearl elk]

But sure we can brush off physics students at uni as being a group of randos

[foggy path]

my point mostly being that how do you plan to find a binary file of say a 3D model when you can't describe it "it's a 3d model of a human" or whatever

yeah you can get a list of all 3d models but let's say you have quite a fair amount of them

[pearl elk]

Yeah your point is beside the point of the article

[foggy path]

the article mostly seems to say "haha folders are for boomers" if I condense it down to one memable sentence

[pearl elk]

Not even close

[foggy path]

I must have read it wrong then

[pearl elk]

Or you just added your own bias

[foggy path]

Okay yeah sure whatever you say :P

[pearl elk]

Was I not specific enough for your filing cabinet?

[foggy path]

ad hominem is a sign of a covnersation which is going to be constructive

[pearl elk]

I just think its an interesting thought experiment

You shut down the conversation in your first response

Be a constructive human, good day

[cursive crypt]

Which reminds me, the Windows search @ Start menu is totally useless. Never found anything I wanted.

Ah, they back?

I guess nobody here can't be bothered to check, lol

I remember having few cases, answering to some friend's questions several months later.
Glad they are understanding.

[pearl elk]

I always mess up looking for ttrgb thermaltakes software, I always type thermaltake

[cursive crypt]

I kinda have positioning/visual memory. I remember where it is an icon and look for it there.

For the most frequent ones at least, they can be segregated.

[pearl elk]

yeah positional and colour memory are great helpers, the thing with large filesystems like what I have here (like 20TB) is I simply will never remember a files name, especially after years of inactivity on projects

[cursive crypt]

Oh, definitely. However, if you are consistent in organising - its enough.

Through the years I tend to go certain way, so it is always helpful.

[pearl elk]

if I boot up an UE4 project for example and want Bricks, I dunno what the file is called but I have a good approximate knowledge of what Im looking for

One thing that frustrates me alot with image search is not being able to define more strictly a field for the size Im looking for. I think one of the points the article is trying to make is data isnt just what you made its a large collection so youre not looking for specifics as often as you were on DOS in the 80s when your PC wasnt connected to and part of a cloud

[cursive crypt]

... okay, I ate a half an watermelon. I think I'm gonna explode.

[cursive crypt]

Like search for 2k image, or 1k?

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/theirresistible-dylanwang-watermelonhead-watermelon-wanghedi-gif-19662402

[pearl elk]

yeah or even more specific rather than just "large" which is relative to the current technology. Searching a large image in the 80s is completely different to now so we need to use terms which will last

[cursive crypt]

I think it would be helpful too, if whatever Search engine you are using relies on the file metadata - pictures, sound, obj files or whatever.

However, these so far are limited to dedicated softwares for asset management.

If you are using say, image assets managers you know they are kinda good how to find pictures.

[pearl elk]

hope you get good 5G, I heard some peoples didnt work out so well

[cursive crypt]

Did you know that you can order from blendermarket a Covid generator plugin?

[pearl elk]

yeah I think the idea is to try to make this the norm for all file systems rather than a specific CMS you have to sign in to

[cursive crypt]

Well, hopefully. Not sure about Win11 or the other OSes.

For once, I would be glad to see this in your casual file managers.

[pearl elk]

MS were toying with it, eventually they seemed to implement it in VS for repos rather than as an OS level file system

[cursive crypt]

Limited.

[pearl elk]

Im guessing it might come down to legacy and the kickback, it could be a rather big change to how things work that MS didnt want to push it

[cursive crypt]

To be fair, most CMS would rely on fat databases, caching stuff.

So, yeah, it can be tricky.

[pearl elk]

Yeah but those sorts of caches are better managed by the machine, to try to minimise those greedy caches filling up space everywhere

MS actually said that about their VFS I think it was called, by virtualising it you get benefits like with virtual geometry or textures

[cursive crypt]

I for one, would love to have nice way to manage your casual game assets: obj, fbx, images, textures, pdfs, docs, etc.

There were 1-2 3d managers I have seen through the years, but still haven't found something good.

Maybe Blender 3.0? 😛

[pearl elk]

my FBXs tend to end up a mess all huddled in the 3dsmax export folder lol

[cursive crypt]

lol, rip

[celest musk]

i export to a temp folder that gets wiped regular 😄

[pearl elk]

its tricky because I cant folder them by project because for eg something like a chair might be for multiple projects so I lose them in project folders that way

[celest musk]

why would you even keep the fbx files?

[pearl elk]

because sometimes I modify the fbx before reimporting, I dont make those changes in the master asset

[celest musk]

so you export => modify => import as new object?

[pearl elk]

rather than copy the asset project->project I just reimport into another project

yeah sometimes its a batch export so I have to rejig origins n stuff like that

[cursive crypt]

fbx are convenient to be kept around, lol
Even if you screw your import in UE

[celest musk]

ok, but why not keep the blend file or whatever your 3D Software uses?

[pearl elk]

I do but those are the master asset not the game asset

sometimes i have to make changes for it to work ingame that I dont want to do in the master as it means I lose the ability to deconstruct an edit

not sure about blender but max files save the modifier stack, collapsing that isnt reversible so its better to export fbx and tweak that

[cursive crypt]

In Blender, you can ask it whether to Apply the Modifier or not on Export.

[pearl elk]

sometimes you want to check triangulation, max->uasset isnt always clean tris, sometimes you want to do it manually

[cursive crypt]

Been wondering for that. Is it good idea to triangulate before exporting or not. I rarely saw issues with quads e.g.

[pearl elk]

it tends to happen if you collapse a symmetry then modify it, faces get flipped out

[celest musk]

never had any problems with triangulation of unreal

tho there might be edge cases

[pearl elk]

I had one blender model I cant export from UE4 to fbx, it just flips every second tri

[cursive crypt]

That at Max? Hmm... that weird. In Blender the symmetry is always visible so you can see whether there will be a flip or no.

Or wait, you talk about how a quad is split, I was thinking normals.

[pearl elk]

it could be how Max handles tris for the viewport, it has a numbering system which actually isnt static they get renumbered when you do edits

some DDCs just add numbers on the end rather than renumbering them all

[cursive crypt]

Haven't looked at how Blender does it, but it is to be expected they be messed up after edits.

[pearl elk]

its not a huge issue but its surprising how many little things pop up in the export/import pipeline

[cursive crypt]

Oh, yeah, I'm still warm from several months ago. Trying to export some skeletal meshes.

Turns out UE is... weird in the way of computing the relative offsets.

Anyway, so in general, I'm not triangulating anything on export.

[pearl elk]

thing is some assets are just throw away, its like oh does this work but UE4 treats everything fully managed. So if you rename it, delete it you get stray redirectors and cache thats not overly important.

part of the issue of folders is you have to dig around to find some of this stuff, like in Docs AppData n all that. Its not always useful and I do feel like I need a shovel some days cuz Im just digging

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-eating-watermelon-gif-14879687

[pearl elk]

I honestly dont use my local music collection at all, its quicker to search spotify or youtube than my HDD. Even if I know the name navigating there takes longer/more clicks lol

[cursive crypt]

This if you remember the names. I can't, so I prefer to glance over the files and choose something.

Also some of the things I listen to are just bad on YT or soundcloud.

[pearl elk]

you ever play file roulette, just madly click on the screen till something opens randomly

[cursive crypt]

Ah, reminds me of the olds WinAmp shuffle button.

At the pc clubs there were usually weeks long playlists running non-stop.

[pearl elk]

I remember I was the cool guy with a PC audio setup Id take to peoples parties, that was running WinAmp

now all the cool kids have BT speakers and phones, my coolness is obsolete 😦

[cursive crypt]

haha, yeah, on the other hand, bringing your own pc tower to party would be so weird, it will be cool.

[pearl elk]

if I had that old beige box it probably would be considered retro coolness lol

[cursive crypt]

Definitely.

With a Turbo button.

Beat me, Foobar2000 is still alive! Damn..

[pearl elk]

struggles of the modern day "put DOS 6 on my resume that I submitted for the computer shop sales job" they asked me what DOS is

XTree Gold on my 2x20MB HDDs, hackerman in the making

so glad I missed out on punch cards lol

[cursive crypt]

device=c:\dos\himem.sys /testmem:off

Yeah, me too. That too analogue.

[pearl elk]

I did catch the tail end of the cassette tape era, the C64s

STACKS=9,256

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/old-feel-old-sad-car-ride-gif-5960364

I suppose current generation would be something like: aah, I catched the end of the CD era.

[pearl elk]

oh man you remember when we had DVDs, that was so long ago 😛

[cursive crypt]

Ha, do you remember the fight for double DVD vs bluerays? Turns out both are useless.

[pearl elk]

back in my day I had to listen to the same Bruce Springsteen Born in the USA vinyl cuz its the only one we had I liked lol

HD-DVDs lol! I knew a guy who had Laser Discs, I thought they were the best thing haha

but all that paled in comparison to... The Microwave, it cooked via magic 😮

[cursive crypt]

Kinda short-lived techs. Even USBs pen drives are rare sight. Everything is so in the "cloud".

[pearl elk]

yeah, I mean cloud has benefits but also some pretty big drawbacks. Recent FB outage gives some clues about the latter 😛

woo early VR prototypes lol

I think the biggest issue for me with the cloud is subscriptions, especially from a business perspective. This idea that everything is constantly moving and you cant own something. Its really not viable to pay to keep projects on ice, the subscriptions tend to be only for active projects and dont really scale very well for smaller outfits.

[fluid bloom]

bluray for movies or bust!

I can't stand how everything is online only these days 😐

8 Mbps bitrate for video is just... shit

[deep glen]

uncompressed on ssd ftw
though I kinda prefer to watch things in theatre. though a few months back we went to this small art-house-cinema and the video was compressed to heck

felt like 720p.avi on a big screen

[pearl elk]

If I had the money I would buy a cinema tbh, then I could close it down and do private viewings 🙂

[deep glen]

we're actually trying to rent one of the cinema's at a local theatre for mario kart and ps5 stuff.

buddies prolly would like to play some fifa as well

its quite expensive, so we are hoping that they'll discount due to not making enough bank this year.

[pearl elk]

Rule #1 of theatre Goldeneye, no complaining about people looking at your screen 😛

[deep glen]

haha, ooh good one

[soft night]

the Crystal is the way to go

or diamond data chip

[deep glen]

i'd love to see uncharted or gow (ps5) on a big movie screen

[pearl elk]

Well you'll get to see some form of Uncharted on the big screen

[deep glen]

lol, a movie with so much turmoil might end up meh.
though, just as in gamedev, with enough time a game can become good

[pearl elk]

the screen I saw at Professor Brian Cox's talk was amazing, worlds largest LED or somethin

[deep glen]

dang

[pearl elk]

yeah they showed concepts of the big bang on it, pretty impressive

even if you arnt into physics I highly recommend checking it out just for the tech lol

[deep glen]

we dont have much of those kind of screens in the neighborhood, best I can do is laser ultra 3d

[pearl elk]

just lucky he tours this area on his world trips, screen is portable. If you can get to the UK you can see him there, doesnt look like he's visiting EU though

take a PS5 and ask him for a game after the show 😛

I think its a heap of small screens put together into a larghe one so it probably uses some sort of multiscreen tech to bring em all together

laser ultra 3d sounds way better than the cinemas we have here 🙂

[stiff crystal]

turns out, old bluray remasters are also shit

I've watched my old collection recently and stuff just looks horrible

..meanwhile new UHD remasters look way better even when viewed at 1080p :/

depending on the service, you can get way more than 8 Mbps for video streaming too

I think Disney+ sends like 22Mbps for 4k HDR

[fluid bloom]

disney plus seems to be the best so far

yea

meanwhile nelonen is trying to get people to watch ruutu by not doing HD terrestrial broadcasts anymore

and ruutu sucks donkey balls

[stiff crystal]

we just got last free-to-air channels on HD here

got cable tho

[fluid bloom]

yea nelonen didn't renew their contract with digia

[stiff crystal]

they made a change for remaining SD ones last month

huh

[fluid bloom]

digita it was

not digia 😄

[stiff crystal]

I'm not super fond of local tv offerings in general though

most finnish stuff is just horrible

but I don't really consume TV much in the first place

main reason I have a tuner now is because they made the fee mandatory

that's mafia move too

[fluid bloom]

movies are okay nowadays

especially Yle has beefed up on that front

[median wraith]

man the M2 does a big change vs the normal SSDs at engine compile times

only at the mid and end of compilation but it saves like 10min maybe

[ancient ingot]

yup

[median wraith]

and still the engine takes like 1:30h to compile but

before was like 2h

or close

[pearl elk]

so thats just the engine no plugins?

[median wraith]

engine and plugins

like the needed ones

I have an old CPU

[fluid bloom]

IOPS go BRRRRRRR

[ancient ingot]

lol

hevedy what cpu you have ?

[median wraith]

i7 4770k

about switch this or next month once the new CPUs release

or to pick the last AMD gen, whatever it's better

[ancient ingot]

oo nicey !

[median wraith]

and the new gen is like 8 cores, that the double in like 6 years ?

kinda depressing

[pearl elk]

Alder Lake would be better for the chipset, I dont think AMD are going anywhere with this socket

[median wraith]

yeah the problem is the new Alder Lake comes with the new PCIe and ram supports

but that will be outdated in 5 months once the PCIe 5 releases

😂

[pearl elk]

you'll probably see dual ram boards for awhile, DDR4&5

[median wraith]

yeah but don't think that happen until end of next year

[cursive crypt]

sillicon shortage enters the chat

[pearl elk]

what a funny name for a dwarf

[median wraith]

the problem is the Gen 5 is kinda occluded by the 6

and almost the same happened with the 4 and 5

seems like they all was released on a small timeframe

[pearl elk]

the thing with a new socket is, new socket so you can move that CPU to a newer mobo easy enough with AMD Im kinda stuck atm.

[median wraith]

you may ask, hey whats eating here all your disk ?

[pearl elk]

I knew that going in though, I knew I was gonna stick with this setup for awhile and only upgrade the GPU

[median wraith]

oh is nvidia doing random things the whole day

[cursive crypt]

They are mining dogecoins on your machine.

[pearl elk]

HDDs are easy to max out

must admit with the right cooling it's easy to get a killer OC on a Ryzen 5950x

[median wraith]

yeah it's funny

Nvidia takes like 4MBs of the HDD

and the antivirus another 8MBs from the same cause is doing an analysis of whats going on

[pearl elk]

I really dislike resident virus scanners, I disable defender cuz it slows down drive access whenever it feels like it

MS loves to thrash HDDs even though it shortens the life of the drive dramatically

[north adder]

@noble field Nice AV!

[median wraith]

Epic Store is now inside the Microsoft Store

so you can enter the Microsoft Store to get the Epic Store and then get the Itch Store that's inside

[north adder]

Sounds convoluted

[celest musk]

i'm curious how well the alder lake will do for stuff like unreal

[celest musk]

ask him yourself

[celest musk]

why is there two times coffee lake?

[median wraith]

maybe 2 gens

[celest musk]

googles which lake is my intel cpu?

[median wraith]

Rambo Lake

[celest musk]

Whiskey Lake sounds good

Sandy Bridge isn't the codename, is it?

[pearl elk]

Intel are stuck in a lake

[north adder]

newer's always better

[celest musk]

i mean compared to something like an 5950x

both have 16 cores, but intel has 8 cores which are limited in their capabilities

[cursive crypt]

Y'all, like how fast you compile the whole UE would make your code better 😛

[celest musk]

^^

[cursive crypt]

Also in less than 90 degrees so the execution does not stumble.

[celest musk]

xD

dude i bet, you'll find someone in #blueprint who's going with that and would design his blueprints so that it's a falling graph

[noble field]

Ty m8 🙂

[pearl elk]

Thing with Alder lake is the e-cores are limited but its more about power than performance, they seem to benchmark really well for the type of workloads we use for UE4. I think for Intel its more about what they can do on that architecture moving forward, especially on smaller process where they will have more room for both p-cores and e-cores

main bad thing is having to use Windows 11 which will probably be unstable for awhile yet 😛

[quasi mantle]

Man, not much of the limited free stuff piqued my interest this month.

[shy veldt]

So, any other devs here own other businesses too outside of the game industry?

I have restaurants and a music recording studio investment. Anyone else kinda just wonder what everyone else does in an entrepreneur sense?

[quasi mantle]

I mean, price wise, they worth quite a lot, but they're mostly things that I already have my own implementation. Kinda underwhelming IMO.

[pearl elk]

I design and operate prototype flight suits as part of a top secret project for the Australian military

[celest musk]

do they fit kangaroos?

[pearl elk]

Kangaroos get the jump packs, possums get the flight suits

[shy veldt]

Military contracts are leaking into the game development sector recently

[pearl elk]

we found it was cheaper than building drones to carry grenades, we just teach possums to fly and drop them on the enemy

[quasi mantle]

Kangaroos should be given the ability to mid-air double jump (if not more)

[shy veldt]

It's interesting

VR military sim and training is gonna be a huge industry

[median wraith]

Thank you, Epic employee that reads and makes my requests a reality

@zinc matrix as you can see

[quasi mantle]

Next thing we knew, there'll be PMC (private military company) pops up all over the world, backed up by social media corpos, warfare and conflict of interest being tooled as the new economy, and child soldiers trained hard on hyper realistic VR simulations.

[lucid walrus]

Now... why did they word this like a threat?

[median wraith]

where that comes from ?

[lucid walrus]

Very top of the Epic launcher

[median wraith]

oh how cool from Epic

we need that for the engine ? like how that makes sense ?

[pearl elk]

its all interconnected man, the universe, in each of us is abit of star dust from the big bang

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-weed-toke-toking-cannabis-smoking-gif-17120610

[celest musk]

they poured some extra glitter on you, didn't they?

[quasi mantle]

No, it's all part of the plan, the new natural selection.

Those who willingly enlisted in the natural selection will reap all the benefits in the world. Those who bothered to think about defecting will succumb in a slow and painful decline.

[lunar gazelle]

I'm curious if anybody works with UE on a Intel Iris Xe or AMD APU laptop? If so is it possible to get a semi-serviceable framerate in the editor? (At least on previous gen intel integrated it is nearly unusable)

[quasi mantle]

More of #ue4-general question.

[lunar gazelle]

oh my bad, it felt "off topic". I'll try there thanks

[left granite]

hi

[pearl elk]

awww so Im not officially a BP ninja 🫀

[left granite]

wdym

[pearl elk]

have to test my might

[cursive crypt]

I dunno whether you will believe me, but when I saw that asset, I thought: that's for Hevedy, he gonna show us how a lighting is done while terrorizing his new gpu.

[left granite]

thanks

going to take a look

[pearl elk]

@median wraith I guess its Epics way of saying... Happy Birthday 😛

[quasi mantle]

Sure but where's Blueprint <insert any Fortnite streamer here>

[pearl elk]

I dont know any other Fortnite streamers 😦

only reason I know Ninja is cuz he was in that movie the other day

[left granite]

i mean ninja is a cool name

[pearl elk]

must be really annoying joining games where its taken

[left granite]

idk about games

dont play much

only make

[pearl elk]

Id rather be Scorpion

[left granite]

mmm

what about

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-mk11-mk-mortal-kombat11-gif-16579742

[left granite]

marshmello

[pearl elk]

sounds like somewhere Shrek likes to hang out

[left granite]

lol

anyways

good night

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-guns-shooting-video-game-drop-tank-gif-16156117

[ocean parcel]

@quasi mantle Out of curiosity, who's your pfp of?

[quasi mantle]

Makoto Kikuchi, from The Idolmaster series.

[ocean parcel]

Ah, thank you! :)

[quasi mantle]

You should give the mainline game series (and particularly the songs) a try :3
There are 13 idols for the mainline 765Pro lineup, and other 200+ or so for the spin-off branches.

[ocean parcel]

Ooh, that sounds interesting! I've never heard of this before, I'll check it out. :)

[quasi mantle]

And for starters, go for the mainline 765Pro series first. The mainline games are also available across PS3 and PS4 (though they are JP exclusive, so some PSN region workaround might necessary)

I'm not sure if Netflix or Crunchyroll still host the anime show, though. It's a 2011 prod, and might be facing licence expiration after a decade.

[ocean parcel]

Ooh, animes face licence expiration? So like they need to be relicensed?

[quasi mantle]

Probably, though it might be per series basis. The details are still hazy on that aspect. Might be licence expiration, might be false rumour. The anime show is 10 years old at this point, so speculations goes to the former, and considering that there's not much early 2010s anime shows hosted in current day anime streaming platforms.

I haven't checked it either, due to the lack of subscription on both platform, but I'm afraid the show is retired from them.

[carmine frigate]

so those idols fight to the death or something?

https://tenor.com/view/black-rock-shooter-black-rock-shooter-running-gif-20581582

[ocean parcel]

Ah, that's really interesting to know. I find stuff like this interesting, how so much gets taken down.

[quasi mantle]

If you're referring to the weird anime mecha spinoff show, Idolmaster Xenoglossia, then yes, sort of.
But the community largely dismissed it nowadays xD

[regal pecan]

Licensing is almost always temporary. Probably so it can be a fixed fee. You wouldn't want to pay the same amount monthly for a series being watched 90% less often, ten years later.

[carmine frigate]

there is not lots of fighting?

[quasi mantle]

The show is from 2007, and it's so weird - not even the original VA cast reprise their role.

[quasi mantle]

In Xenoglossia, quite a bit, but in 2011 anime, it's largely for in-universe acting for film projects or music videos, and even then action is pretty sparse.

[carmine frigate]

but there are big explosions?

[quasi mantle]

No explosions.

[ocean parcel]

is your pfp a crab with udders?

[carmine frigate]

yea, what of it? 😛

[ocean parcel]

just wondering XD

it's interesting.

LOL.

[carmine frigate]

i made it myself

[ionic flame]

@zinc matrix as a tank for today, I can kinda see why discord could be better in light theme. Ide wise though, still challenging lol

[quasi mantle]

There is one stand out fighting moment in the show, and it's on Episode 5, where Makoto had some street brawl with goons who kidnapped Azusa Miura, another idol from the same agency. It was the badass moment for Makoto (and clips of it are circulated on YT).

That scene resonates to me, not only from the waifu bias, but also serves as my reference for set piece building for my own game.

[ocean parcel]

What's your game going to be? Like street fighter or something?

[ionic flame]

I'll have to get a custom theme for Rider; it only has light and dark themes lol

[quasi mantle]

More of action JRPG. Gameplay would be similar to FF7R - mix of hack and slash, and third person shooter, with anime style graphics and mature writing.

Characters are, as you may guess, largely inspired from Idolmaster, down to their personalities and backstories.

As for the general theme: it's an Isekai fantasy (hence bearing the codename Isekai)

[ocean parcel]

Ah, that sounds like it's going to be fun. :)

[quasi mantle]

If all goes well, the early demo should be out by mid-December.

Oh, and it's (currently) for Windows only.

[ocean parcel]

That's good to know. :)

[ocean parcel]

OH, did you know W11 came out today?

I didn't know this was happening lol.

[quasi mantle]

Already using it since the huge leak 😂

[ocean parcel]

LOL. Is it good?

[quasi mantle]

Mixed, rather.
The UI looks nice, and performance is okay so far. Though they changed some conventions in the workings of the UI, some of them broke my muscle memory so hard.

For instance, you no longer able to drag a file and hover to an app in the taskbar to automatically open it. Interestingly this used to work in the leaked build.

Also the new right click menu can go screw itself. Thankfully it can be reverted back to old and convenient one with Winaero Tweaker.

[ocean parcel]

That's weird!

What's wrong with the new Right click menu? XD

I haven't seen it so I'm genuinely curious.

[quasi mantle]

The new one felt clunky, and super limited on its usability. I'm not going to bother reenabling it for one screenshot - it has been my nemesis ever since the proper W11 builds.

[ocean parcel]

lol.
Personally I'm going to wait a while before upgrading. Windows 10 works fine for me and I konw I'll just get frustrated with the new design of W11.

I usually wait a few years before being forced to change lol. Plus apparently my PC isn't ready to upgrade anyway it says.

[quasi mantle]

Windows 11 is honestly okay, and weird at the same time. Particularly Microsoft's questionable design decisions.

Also the rounded window corners might ruin windowed screenshots, because unlike Windows Vista/7's rounded corners making the shape outwards, it goes inward and cuts off whatever inside of the window. This largely isn't a problem for normal apps, but could be trouble for games in windowed mode.

[soft night]

i put windows 11 to pause mode for good

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/lemon-baby-eating-sour-gif-4160779

[north adder]

Even better, the URL is https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/PAGE-TBD

and the settings menu

[quasi mantle]

Should be emphasis of "for now".

Even then they will bundle EOS for the launcher in newer installers, and nothing significant happened.

[lucid walrus]

It's pretty crap for people at work (not a gaming company, but a design firm)... we have zero interest in the launcher or any online services

[quasi mantle]

Even then it's for the launcher, not for the projects.

Also marketplace (AFAIK) counts towards the EOS, as it's beginning to share the same online subsystem with the game store.

Though I can't really blame, nor a problem for myself, that some people prefer got physically wounded than updating Epic launcher with EOS. The cost of simple 1 minute install that changes practically nothing might be too much for some to bear.

[north adder]

Currently EOS isn't install able within wine on Linux

[quasi mantle]

Even then it can be bypassed with some minor edit to the installer (and it's legal to distribute recent Windows installer media, as long as you don't put any form of keygens/KMS hacks on it.

[quasi mantle]

Is the launcher really necessary in Linux? Considering that you have to build the engine from source code in Linux, and it doesn't need the launcher to do so.

By then might as well use Windows KVM and develop Unreal stuff in it, for maximum compatibility as well.

Gamedev on Linux sucks tbh
Doing gamedev on Windows can reap the benefits of both DirectX and Linux, and with the right toolchain, can build for Linux from the comfort of Windows dev env.

[broken sigil]

Somewhat related but I kinda hope more anti cheat software start utilizing TPM like what Valorant is gonna be doing

[quasi mantle]

Valorant is its own AC, right? Or is it Easy AC?

[broken sigil]

has it's own, I hate it but it seems to be one of the best out there

the whole runs with your PC pisses me off, don't play it just because of that

[quasi mantle]

VACNET is still better though IMO, in terms of how unintrusive but getting job done it is.

[broken sigil]

but I like the TPM idea

Good luck combating aimbots by just knowing how to write MP games

[quasi mantle]

But even then the cost of VAC being unintrusive is that Valve had to practically reapply the paywall in CSGO sometime ago.

[broken sigil]

Would be way worse if we had no AC
The goal of an AC is not to stop it completely as that is practically impossible but to reduce the number of cheaters as much as possible

[quasi mantle]

Since recent updates, F2P CSGO players are basically live in isolation, away from paid prime users that reaps huge part of CSGO gameplay.

[ocean parcel]

How do you do this?

[quasi mantle]

And because my free prime got reinstated, I stopped playing CSGO (but occasionally tune in to majors)

[ocean parcel]

I think that might be off for me. (hopefully)

[quasi mantle]

Safe to assume Valve just realised making CSGO free to play is a hindsight mistake on their part.

[ocean parcel]

uh oh

oh yeah!

that's what i got

[cursive crypt]

I turned it on out of curiousity. Haven't noticed any change. Apart from the occasional prompt it has broke during PC start.

[quasi mantle]

Nothing happens on my side after enabling it lmao. Not even after thorough resources usage watch.

[ocean parcel]

My computer is so fricking slow lol.

Ah, that's good to know. :) I hate it when they force stuff.

[quasi mantle]

Most likely won't happen. TPM is already implanted on all range of motherboards from 2016 onwards.

But again, TPM and UEFI, things that are pushed by Microsoft, are already standard for motherboard manufacturing for 5 years by now, so mobos older than that will be left in the dust anyway.

Even Linux realm were forced to catch up with UEFI implementation, even if GRUB is (kinda) shit for UEFI.

[quasi mantle]

I still find it weird that my 6th gen i5 CPU managed to run Windows 11 fine and dandy to this day.

Though I admittedly kinda bruteforce it with unmodified install media, as it has no real gatekeeping problem with my system.

[soft night]

windows RT dust is best

[thorny dock]

de_dust is the best

on second thought I actually always liked de_rats better

[foggy path]

cs_estate

although I much rather play dod_avalanche

[dense storm]

Grub is not used much right ?

[soft night]

cplus_estate

[ionic flame]

that's what you get for using unity

Tim is a overly-possessive partner

[north adder]

just got 13.0.1 without installing EOS 🥳

[ocean parcel]

That gif is so robotic.

[soft night]

eos update all the sudden

[timber viper]

Why we cant get Windows 11 immediately

[ionic flame]

Cuz u change your avatar every 24 hrs

#BlameIntax

[timber viper]

I couldnt resist Joey's charisma 😦

[north adder]

becareful what you ask for

[timber viper]

Is it bad?

[ocean parcel]

Out of curiosity, why do you want it immediately?

[timber viper]

Its released and I'm ultimately bored of Windows 10

[north adder]

you want more bugs to fix?

[ocean parcel]

to me it's like getting a games console on day 1. there's no games to play and there's probably tons of stuff wrong with the console they'll need to fix.

[ionic flame]

you don't ever want to play before the release day patch

xD

[which in Cyberpunk's case, it was more like the first 6 months patch]

[timber viper]

Cyberpunk was the only expensive game I paid

My biggest regret

[ionic flame]

the most money I remember paying for was prob either Bf3 and BF4, bought each with Premium (given how much I played them, was hella worth it)

and god was bf4 broken on release

like B R O K E N

[timber viper]

I dont remember any bugs in BF4 release but I was like 13-14

I didnt notice probably* (wtf was that sentence lol)

[ionic flame]

take a look at reviewers at the time

Angry Joe being one of the ones that gave BF4 a decent # of criticism

people were crashing left and right

loading times of over 5 mins

[timber viper]

Interesting

[ionic flame]

disconnections all over the place

[timber viper]

lemme give it a watch

I'm downloading 2042 beta right now

[ionic flame]

punkbuster banning every one

[ionic flame]

did you buy deluxe edition?

[timber viper]

Nope

Its worth 1k€ in my country

Dont think I'll play this one 😄

[timber viper]

Open beta available at origin until 10th oct

[ionic flame]

Ik, I bought it

but at least on EGL, it doesn't let me download it yet

[timber viper]

EGL opens origin

Origin opens EGL back