lounge

[frosty halo]

Please tell me this is real

[light spruce]

I'd also like to remind you that Mix-a-Lot has hyphens

[frosty halo]

But my thumbs hurt

I have thumbitis

[light spruce]

I have a keyboard.

[frosty halo]

I have a drinking problem

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-jeff-goldblum-jurassic-world2-jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-gifs-gif-11841344

[light spruce]

me too; I've been awake for over an hour and haven't had any ethanol

[frosty halo]

Potato juice is best juice

[cursive crypt]

I'm getting the impression you are a person of spirit usually.

[light spruce]

Nah. I'm an atheist.

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/church-performance-religious-happening-atheist-gif-19902544

[regal pecan]

UE6 looking good

[quasi mantle]

Lorash, I unblocked you. Sorry for getting triggered earlier.

Yeah, it's pretty much finished now, just the matter of dependencies.

[quasi mantle]

Species name: Metahomo comosus

[cursive crypt]

lol, new batch of waifus on the MP

[carmine frigate]

waifu hunter extreme

[steel jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_dt_Q0aeI

haha

[quasi mantle]

Doki Doki Literature Club? Haven't heard that game since a long time.

[light spruce]

JUST MONIKA

[carmine frigate]

isnt doki doki super bizarre?

[quasi mantle]

Hej hej monika

Hej padig monika

[quasi mantle]

Nah, largely just 4th wall breaking fest and satire on dating visual novels

[median wraith]

Question here: someone have phone at home?

[carmine frigate]

yea i have a hardline

[quasi mantle]

It was rumoured to be a teaser for another game, but then Dan Salvato slacks on Nintendo stuff

[carmine frigate]

also fiber 🙂

[quasi mantle]

But we can't blame him either because there was never any official statement about it.

[median wraith]

Today we list coverage for some reason and the guy came and said we have to change the router in ordee to have phone and no idea how that makes sense

So he replaced that and now if turn off the router we dont have phone

Not sure how is this normal or logic?

[regal pecan]

Phone service (Deprecated)

[median wraith]

Not even the phobe service trigger

[carmine frigate]

dont let strangers in ur house mess with ur router man 😛

[median wraith]

Man Om in the bed cant even move myself lol

[quasi mantle]

Phone lines were out of fashion in here, ironically.
Only some old houses or business instances that have phone line installed.

The rest of them are smartphone, smartphone everywhere.

[median wraith]

So technically you all nedd the router to use the phone?

[carmine frigate]

not me

[quasi mantle]

Last time I used phone line was 13 years ago, so can't recall.

[median wraith]

He said it uses voip

[carmine frigate]

i can call when the power is down

[regal pecan]

I don't have a landline. If I need to make a call, I break into the cell tower.

[median wraith]

Yeah cant now here lol

Like what can be wrong

[quasi mantle]

Wait, did I just made a pun without me realising it?

[light spruce]

POTS has been on its way out for a long time... far too slowly, really

[quasi mantle]

I swear that use of the word "recall" was completely subconscious.

[carmine frigate]

dont worry , it wasnt a great pun 😛

[regal pecan]

dont worry, it wasnt a great line
angry markup sounds

[median wraith]

Tbh here worked fine, they said is getting outdated

And tbh I dont like to keep the router on when I'm not at home

[light spruce]

has been for a long time

[regal pecan]

It's perfectly fine tech. They don't want to be associated with a shrinking market sector.

[light spruce]

Maintaining copper sucks. Converting between analog and digital networks also sucks.

god adsl

[cursive crypt]

Pathfinding going wrong
https://i.redd.it/hwxp652nro471.jpg

[regal pecan]

Looks like a pathfinding success.

but GOAP gone wrong

[median wraith]

Balkon lol

Man got the rear of the spine so affected that can't even move the right leg

[carmine frigate]

lol i remember u posted a pick of a spanish wall 😛

or pile of rocks how i call it

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-mallorca-spain-hola-animal-gif-15792816

yeah that wall right ponkkis

[light spruce]

I can't figure out why I care so much about my lightsaber cosmetics

it's all crap you pick up in game

But it's.. mix and match parts to create a lightsaber that's.. you know.. the size of a lightsaber.. in a third-person game

[real palm]

Anybody who says cosmetics aren't important to game feel is not paying attention

[light spruce]

I mean.. that's like.. as much as I'm likely to see of it

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/lightsaber-star-wars-jedi-sith-lightsabers-gif-12666883

like that

[zinc matrix]

guess who lives here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689496581208408110/853044011736629288/AAWUweXu6DK8lBflOk6ZSGbUX4lRkQUjzJiD1zHpCuiPw_Y4S8C8fRvLXJ5BeRWzCJOvpth28hWc4t4wS5brDe0F-6rZnwBXGUeW.png

[light spruce]

covid-19

[quasi mantle]

https://twitter.com/KinoFabino/status/1403404160125505538?s=19

FABINO (@KinoFabino)

That's Crazy, Man. Have you ever experienced a Resonance Cascade?

Retweets

1037

Likes

5672

Twitter · Jun 11, 2021, 5:30 PM

[serene stream]

@tall plume moving here so you don't have to mod our own chat, where do you work at now if you don't mind answering?

[tall plume]

i co-own Puny Human

https://punyhuman.com/

[serene stream]

oh that's awesome

[fleet bronze]

Yo wait aren't you the guys who did work on Dystopia?

or well the guys who maintain it currently anyways

[tall plume]

we still have some og developers

but, yes

i never worked on it

i worked on empires mod back then

[fleet bronze]

Ah fair enough

[red pewter]

https://twitter.com/ispc_updates/status/1403529825843781635

Intel® ISPC (@ispc_updates)

ISPC 1.16.0 has been released!

This is a HUGE release with lots of new features and capabilities. The major new feature:

• Target Intel GPUs on Windows OS!

Follow the thread for additional features, and check out the details in the release notes. 1/3

https://t.co/Cw1xCxAZaD

Twitter · Jun 12, 2021, 1:49 AM

I wonder which version UE is on? I can't figure it out

Not that I'll ever be gigabrained enough to use LLVM intrinsics

[timber viper]

haha wtf 😄

[solid aurora]

the one which does not support double precision, I guess they are going to get rid of it ;s

[unique kite]

well started fortnite after every tour the last 3 years begged me to play lol

[cursive crypt]

Doors are always a problem

[red pewter]

This release adds support for double precision floating point constants. Double precision floating point constants are floating point number with d suffix and optional exponent part. Here are some examples: 3.14d, 31.4d-1, 1.d, 1.0d, 1d-2. Note that floating point number without suffix is treated as single precision constant.```

Just constants it seems, weird

[quasi mantle]

Seems like that's more for Unreal Engine 5

Also some people treat the Early Access stuff as if it's production ready, but then blamed the stuff for not being production ready.

[red pewter]

ISPC has been a thing in engine for a while

[deep glen]

<_< two weeks ago they put 25 carps into a local pond to improve the fauna.
within two weeks people have been fishing for carp so much they are all either dead or gone.

bunch of dumdumbs

[shell garden]

within two people?

don't go fishing in people

[deep glen]

havent have my coffee yet XD

man, english hard today

[zinc matrix]

What's this? Carp not being an invasive pest?

[tulip orbit]

english is hard for non-native speakers every day 😄

[deep glen]

carp is a native here

[tulip orbit]

english is hard for fish too I'd imagine

[shell garden]

especially if they're inside people

[tulip orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-george-takei-wink-gif-5296452

[shell garden]

yes, this is perfectly reasonable for elected representatives 👍

asking the national forest service to move the moon to fix solar flares

[quasi mantle]

What is this? Early 15th century?

[shell garden]

it's the republican party. they don't even believe in pi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

"It had been nearly passed, but opinion changed when one senator observed that the General Assembly lacked the power to define mathematical truth"

[quasi mantle]

They said they're going to have Q&A with Valve in regards to Steam.
So the question that I asked would be:

"When does Steam will adapt to 12% / 88% revenue cut like Epic Store, without any profit discrimination?"

[foggy path]

You mean you didn't ask any questions

:p

[thin glacier]

Any solutions to game dev you guys know of that are on par with Bethesda’s train hat

[shell garden]

0%/0% cut

[deep glen]

also, all these purple names make me think you'all suddenly got moderator status

[shell garden]

who says we don't?

[deep glen]

!8ball do these people have moderator status?

[turbid spindle]

@deep glen, :8ball: It is certain.

[deep glen]

ohfffff

!8ball can these people ban me?

[turbid spindle]

@deep glen, :8ball: Without a doubt.

[deep glen]

!8ball can I ban them?

[turbid spindle]

@deep glen, :8ball: Cannot predict now.

[zinc matrix]

!8ball what are my chances of being banned by someone with a purple name?

[turbid spindle]

@zinc matrix, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[zinc matrix]

ok...

[tulip orbit]

!Luos what is the purple names anyway

[shell garden]

purple

it's a colour

[tulip orbit]

and why am I not special too?

[shell garden]

and a fruit

eggs

[tulip orbit]

I dont think I'm allowed to cause I've had nitro before, not a first timer

😢

[soft night]

some are nitrousers

some are boosters

[shell garden]

some are purple

[deep glen]

bleep boop, 8ball says people with the 3 months free nitro epic provided to people who never activated nitro before.

[soft night]

!8ball what is nitro?

[turbid spindle]

@soft night, :8ball: My reply is no.

[shell garden]

smart bot

[tulip orbit]

I miss nitro.

[soft night]

nitro its not that special

[tulip orbit]

but $10/mo is a bit much to use more and fancy emojis

[soft night]

patches have nitro i see

[shell garden]

[soft night]

ultra turbo is something special

[shell garden]

ultra turbo is only 66MHz

[soft night]

ultra turbo is only infinite

produced by infinite empire

@zinc matrix i even got nitro but it ist that special honestly

[shell garden]

📈 emottz

[soft night]

slackers dont have many emojis what i see

[zinc matrix]

See? They all fit

[tulip orbit]

said the toddler with crayons up his nose 😉

[soft night]

does emojis fit to one case?

@tulip orbit yeah nitro with the prize dont offer much

finally have nitro for free and get what it get from it

ponkkis is ready to cheer eagle-owls

https://tenor.com/view/owl-serious-mad-come-again-what-did-you-just-say-gif-17134378

[frosty halo]

Guys anyone here well-versed in copyright?

Just wondering what would be the implications of using a famous now-dead person's surname in a game

[carmine frigate]

i know not to get legal advice from rando internet people 😛

[frosty halo]

It's more about gathering knowledge / anecdotes

[carmine frigate]

i do brainsurgery in my spare time if you want some tho

[frosty halo]

I'd speak to a lawyer if i was gonna use anything like that, but if say - someone knows of a case similar to what I am asking - that already saves me time

[carmine frigate]

well its done in a lot of series and stuff, but i dunno if they asked permission or got in trouble

some can afford the trouble some cant

[fathom wadi]

The story, all names, characters, and incidents portrayed in this production are fictitious. No identification with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, and products is intended or should be inferred. No person or entity associated with this film received payment or anything of value, or entered into any agreement, in connection with the depiction of tobacco products. No animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture.

tadaa

[frosty halo]

Hmmm.. Imma do some research. It's not VITAL for me to have that name in there, but would be cool as part of lore

[fathom wadi]

a surname is fairly hard to claim copyright on unless you specifically represent the person's identity.

[frosty halo]

Inb4 I get my house taken away as the first landmark case of "Surname in Game"

[fathom wadi]

Im sure the Hitlers already tried this with all the games that used his image.

[frosty halo]

beyooooond the graaaaaave

What part specifically?

[fathom wadi]

the part he linked in the t=

it broke on old versions

So that is basically a tweening engine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUj0CLWWTiI found a nice orchestral remake of the Agony theme tune. Because why not

[frosty halo]

I think it's quite a cool tool tho

UE already has this by default right?

[fathom wadi]

not specifically. Tweening is more than just interpolating A->B sometimes. You get some that group up and have relational tweening or action tweens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbetweening

[pearl elk]

tweening is like adulting but younger

[quasi mantle]

The one thing this server is lacking is this

Decided to put Unreal Dragon into my Invasion Games server, and yeah, that'll do for me.

[deep glen]

@bronze axle we need to do something about that ^

I WANT THAT EMOJIII

[quasi mantle]

Petition to officially bring emoji into Unreal Slackers server

[fathom wadi]

is that the emoji for "mother-in-law"? 😄

[deep glen]

it was the icon for a dragon in an unreleased game prior to unreal

[fathom wadi]

was it called "Mother-in-law Simulator 2 - Old Bag's revenge" ?

[deep glen]

lol

[deep glen]

https://twitter.com/Kosai106/status/1403732521301463041

Kevin Østerkilde 🇩🇰 (@Kosai106)

Lmao this dude 😂

#ue4 #ue5 #nanite @UnrealEngine

Twitter · Jun 12, 2021, 3:14 PM

[fathom wadi]

can't understand why he would take a discussion from the UE fb forum and twitter shame him like that. Personally I now think Kevin is a bit of a douche. No matter what the opinion Franklin has.

he even tagged it to get it broadcast. Thats a step away from bullying if you ask me

this is why Twitter isn't a place for me. I would have probably called him worse than a douche in a reply.

I just read the full thread on the fb forum. It was a point scoring competition. Flip-flopping arguments and test cases. There was no need for the rudeness at all. We are meant to be educating each other, so we can learn as a whole group and not just hide information like in the past. It seems counter-productive to resort to name calling and public shaming.

"Let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone", we all make mistakes and have opinions that don't match up with the facts. No shame in it. That's what the learning experience consists of in the first place. Inquisition.

[shell garden]

spanish?

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-inquisi-gif-11469893

my perspective is, so what if other AAA engines have equivalent algorithms, unreal is making that shiz free for whoever wants to not make money out of it 🙃

[fathom wadi]

no comfy chairs here, except the one I sit my lazy ass on every day 😄

[shell garden]

guess i'll just have to poke you with the soft cushions

what's the licensing fee on cry engine, or rage (lol), or whatever it is that red dead redemption 2 runs?

[fathom wadi]

what is fun about that point of view is most of the time you can't even understand what other engines are doing because they keep that information wrapped up right until hackers steal the source code 😄

[shell garden]

i'm gonna write my own game engine, with blackjack, and hookers

[humble remnant]

Cryengine went free last I remember

Buuuut I dunno the licensing in deets

First 5k annual revenue is royalty free, then it's 5%

[shell garden]

right

epic lets you make $1m before stealing money

[fathom wadi]

5k annual revenue seems low

[shell garden]

yah

[humble remnant]

Yeah, it's very low

But I don't think CE is as flexible as UE when it comes to games that are properly supported

Don't think CE has 2D options

[fathom wadi]

it uses scaleform so technically it does

[shell garden]

feature list doesn't mention vulkan, but does mention dx12

windows only, vulkan support appears to be planned for an undecided "future major release"

they don't even have non-windows targets for dedicated server

oh apparently they have linux support but it's buried in the documentation

[quasi mantle]

If that Unlimited Detail stuff from early 2010s ever get deployed into a commercial game, than yes, it is true. But it was not the case.

Though the papers existed when UE4 is still fresh out of Epic oven.

This has been brought up in #server-feedback a while ago, but went nowhere

[shell garden]

pfft, who even needs detail

[quasi mantle]

The OG Unreal was supposed to be fantasy FPS (likely akin to Heretic/Hexen), and that's where the envisioned very early on. Then the sci-fi stuff started to creep in, and thus Unreal as a series turned into full on sci-fi shooters. There's already little to no remnants of fantasy stuff in UT'99 .

If you look at the old screenshots and early builds of Unreal from late '95 / early '96, there was a dragon entity existed.

But the lives on, and thus carried over as a reference to the early roots, even in UE5.

[fathom wadi]

the unlimited detail thing was a voxel engine so its kinda the same but not the same if that makes sense.

does UE still have the Apple for navigation paths or was that entirely removed in favour of navmesh?

[quasi mantle]

And then they somehow throw that stuff into the limbo, and doesn't even applied to a PC game or having publicly accessible editor, despite the clickbaity YouTube videos.

"So yeah we have this cool unlimited detail thing going on, but only select few parties can access it. For everyone else, just take our words for it lmao."

[fathom wadi]

it was a nice demo tho. Zooming right into the dirt was like playing with the visual effects for Honey I Shrunk The Kids

[quasi mantle]

At least Nanite make it a reality - in a sense that your average chap can access it without paperworks behind closed doors.

[pearl elk]

I kinda get where that guy is coming from but Nanite is definitely a step up

[shell garden]

i'm pretty sure it was replaced with a pc

[quasi mantle]

Unlimited Detail tech only appears to be big mouth blabbering to the public due to the lack of public access and publicly visible adoption, and thus didn't gain much traction and raise scepticism instead.
Meanwhile Nanite? Epic preseted it in a manner that makes sense, and given low entry barrier with UE4, the general public can rest easy knowing that they can try Nanite in their own, and see the adoption in the future.

[fathom wadi]

as long as you only use it on static meshes that is 😄

[pearl elk]

Im sure the limitations of Nanite will be resolved to some degree as the tech gets more mature

[modern minnow]

@quasi mantle mind if you tell me whats in your avatar! really kawaii

[fathom wadi]

hmm. I'm sure I heard this story before in regards to EA and FIFA Ultimate Team 😄

[quasi mantle]

Epic have long term plan with Nanite, so I'm sure they won't stop at static meshes.

[pearl elk]

main issue with Nanite has to do with shaders as far as I can see, but transparency is abit of an issue for GI/RT pipelines anyways

[fathom wadi]

what a zeitgeist name for a band 😄

that lumen stream the other day definitely helped understand it's still not 100% too. So I kind of have to laugh when I see people converting their game to UE5. It's like using a broken shovel to carry coal. You can carry some of it

[pearl elk]

People are always looking for a silver bullet

[fathom wadi]

I'd take a rusty bullet right now. Breaking out in hives and it's driving me nuts.

[pearl elk]

its surprisingly stable for early access tbh

I did have to jump in on the Chaos bashing though, everyone is acting like Epic is pulling the rug from under them on Physx

[quasi mantle]

Characters: Chihaya Kisaragi (blue haired), Makoto Kikuchi (dark purple haired), Miki Hoshii (blonde haired)

Source: Idolmaster series (this one and in my avatar in particular is from the PS4 games)

[fathom wadi]

chaos impressed me but I'm not doing anything with it that would require a physicist's eye for detail. I just break stuff with it

[quasi mantle]

Though the next Im@s game uses Unreal Engine 4, out of curiousity 👀

[fathom wadi]

no reason to avoid using it, but converting projects seems like a waste of time better spent on making it work with UE4. Unless the project was started with UE5 in mind and they were waiting for Lumen. But then they will have had the "Lighting must be rebuilt" message up for some time 😄

[quasi mantle]

I used dynamic lighting 100%, so the transition to UE5 would probably less of a hassle.
Though bringing in my anime renderer from 4.26 to 5.1 would be a chore to do, and I definitely won't stop at just Lumen.

[fathom wadi]

nothing says you have to use lumen in ue5 anyway. Its still got raytracing and baked lighting

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/let-there-be-light-austin-evans1-light-up-switch-on-the-light-lights-on-gif-17352933

[fathom wadi]

eye adaptation in a gif

[cursive crypt]

lol, yea

[quasi mantle]

What I'm very interested in is the World Partition system.
It seems to allow for split active area, which would be perfect for GTA 5 style character swap.

[fathom wadi]

yeah thats some boss tech. Still doesn't work tho

the stream next week will cover what works and what doesn't though. Don't miss it 🙂

[quasi mantle]

Though my current solution with World Composition is trying to "decouple" the camera from the streaming position.
As of right now, World Composition is super tied to the active camera position, so scripted quick long distance switch is still cause popins because the level streaming is being late.

[fathom wadi]

I use a custom setup for world comp that doesn't preload the levels in the standard way. I do it on the fly in small chunks instead. Almost like the mentality behind world partition but without the nanite tech helping it out. Where they can traverse pixel groups, mind does smaller sub levels instead.

I rarely see anyone throwing rubbish into the sea so who is doing it? Oh yeah, corporations.

[cursive crypt]

/s I guess?

There is always certain % of people who litter.

Huh, why they toss them?

Never seen such thing around.

[frosty halo]

Watching Denmark vs Finland match. Man footballers are such precious flowers. A little twack here or there and they double over as if they got stabbed. Pathetic.

Guy got a backhand slap to his mouth and went down like a sack of potatoes. Absolute disgrace.

[cursive crypt]

btw ocean fish is full of plastic they say, gotta choose farmed vs plastic one nowadays 😄

[mossy nexus]

Many fish farms are in the ocean, or in rivers, estuaries, lochs, fjords etc all connected.

[cursive crypt]

Yea, there is worse vs worse choice only 🤔
Rivers and etc. are upstream tho, so no plastic. We have some small fish (trout mostly) farms in our mountain rivers. They are still on chem rich food ofc.

[pearl elk]

they cant fit as many people cuz of the 1.5m social distancing

[frosty halo]

Nope it’s cause a Denmark player collapsed and possibly died on the pitch

Literally minutes ago

Just ran toward the ball and fell and they did lots of chest compressions and carried him off the pitch.

Christian Eriksen

Possibly RIP

[pearl elk]

thats pretty extreme, wonder what happened

[frosty halo]

No idea. Nobody knows apparently. Not yet.

[pearl elk]

its not like these players dont train hard as hell all the time so now of all times is abit odd

did they stop the match?

[frosty halo]

Yeah

Both teams walked off

[pearl elk]

good sportsmanship, thats what I like about soccer even if they fake falls all the time 😛

[median wraith]

Roses are red and gpus too

[pearl elk]

5950x is in stock @median wraith get one 😛

[frosty halo]

https://twitter.com/ivishnuvas/status/1403760970875375618?s=24

విష్ణు © 🇮🇱 (@Ivishnuvas)

NOW - Danish midfielder Christian Eriksen collapses and requires CPR during #Euro2020 game with Finland.

https://t.co/gsaMr1XG5z

Likes

167

Twitter · Jun 12, 2021, 5:07 PM

^ that’s the clip

[pearl elk]

midfielders do run hardest

[fathom wadi]

football players collapsing and dying on pitch is why I am glad I took up sport knitting.

[frosty halo]

Honestly it’s so weird

[cursive crypt]

wuts this?

[pearl elk]

maybe a stroke

[fathom wadi]

not weird when you consider they run the length of a hundred pitches each game. Something's got to give sometimes.

[pearl elk]

if your bloods pumping a clot could easily move around to somewhere it could do some damage

[fathom wadi]

someone once said "the heart only has a finite number of beats, use them well".

[frosty halo]

Could be anything but either massive coronary event or stroke is likely.

His poor wife was on the pitch too

Was held back from going to hi@

Him

[pearl elk]

hopefully they can zap him back

[frosty halo]

They tried several times on the pitch

And no response

I am thinking he ain’t coming back from this one

F

Oh no wait they posted a tweet saying he was breathing as they carted him out

[pearl elk]

yeah probably barely breathing, get him on oxygen and maybe he'll be all good

but its possible thats a career ender

[frosty halo]

Yeah I reckon right now staying alive is more important that football

The guys probably rich/wealthy anyway. Money won’t matter much if his kids are laying flowers on his casket.

[pearl elk]

well for some people I suppose thats the way, I do know some who would prefer it the other way

[frosty halo]

Yeah some fans I know would die for football. But I find that to be a stupid sentiment.

It’s 22 millionaires chasing a ball.

Get over it.

[pearl elk]

shame it wasnt on a goal kick, like boom kicked it and his legs just go flying in the air and collapse

[fathom wadi]

the only cause I would die for is my family or the NHS who saved my life and are the reason I have a family.

[frosty halo]

Scored so hard his soul stayed in the ball

[frosty halo]

Mmmm family I get. Nhs - that’s probably something I won’t understand unless they save my life somehow.

[foggy path]

Yeah there's pics now he was conscious when they carried him out

But holy fuck that looked bad for a while

[fathom wadi]

@frosty halochances are they saved the life of someone previously that is the reason you are born in the first place. Fate is funny like that

[frosty halo]

Yeah it didn’t look like he was gonna make it. He looked worse than me after four night bender.

[frosty halo]

Unlikely considering I didn’t grow up in UK. Nor did my parents.

But I get the idea

[fathom wadi]

well thats pissed on my bonfire 😄

[frosty halo]

No your sentiment isn’t lost on me

I get it

[pearl elk]

I cant say Ive fallen that hard even on a bender, I tend to walk around in circles then go

[frosty halo]

I think I just look at it very differently. I appreciate the doctors and the nurses and the support staff. But I utterly hate (with deep hot passion) the bureaucracy and all the higher-ups who just siphon the much needed funding. It’s a disgrace what NHS workers get paid. And we should be ashamed of this as a whole.

[fathom wadi]

aye. speaking of which, it was my birthday yesterday. 45 years ago I was born dead after being a month overdue. I was blue, skin hanging off and yet they sped me to the hospital 10 miles away and after 15 minutes I was brought to life. So god bless them. They also saved my life when I was a few hours away from dying of pneumonia. So double blessings.

[frosty halo]

Aw mate, glad they pulled you through. And happy belated !

[fathom wadi]

thanks

by the way, I have a clean liver because I dont drink, so someone is getting that when I pass on.

[frosty halo]

My son was born with the umbilical around his neck. Scariest 2 minutes of my life seeing him blue and quiet like that.

[fathom wadi]

yeah my latest son couldn't breathe on his own and we had to spend the first 10 days of his life living in the hospital and waiting to see if he would pull through. Fortunately he did but me and the wife were freaking out.

there is that moment when you have to decide if you can even feel love for your child being born in case you have to mourn that love. It's an odd psychological situation

[frosty halo]

Gotta say though once you’re past the paperwork crap, the staff in NHS hospitals are just nice genuine people.

[fathom wadi]

yeah bureaucracy aside, they do an insanely good job most of the time. Considering the wages, the motivation, the hours and the lack of respect from the higher ups. Im surprised they even choose to continue to do it

[frosty halo]

Indeed it is. But I feel like biological drivers would take over and you’d love anyway. Well.. at least that’s my guess. I’m normally a cold hearted twat, but the moment my little bugger grabbed my finger - that was it. Can’t even deny it.

[fathom wadi]

aye. my second life started the moment I knew I had a child (I was told she wasn't mine and didn't meet her until she was 8 years old).

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-belated-birthday-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17297690

[fathom wadi]

thanks

[frosty halo]

Not as much on the same level, but similarly so - teachers are another very unappreciated profession.

[fathom wadi]

yeah except there are lazy teachers. I did it for a while and there was a true dichotomy of those who were 9 to 5 wage earners, and the rest who were teachers.

[frosty halo]

That’s still plenty of time you get with her. I’m a step-dad to a 16 year old, and I didn’t feature in her life until she was 14, which is where for us it was too late - the years where she could bond to a father figure had passed and now it’s more of a different kind of relationship. Shame, but something unavoidable.

[fathom wadi]

I raise two kids who aren't biologically mine but it started age 2 and 6 so I managed to build up that relationship. I feel blessed for it

[frosty halo]

Sounds like supply teachers at my wife’s school. 0 effort and all the ego.

[fathom wadi]

indeed

[frosty halo]

Eriksen is stable apparently

Phew

[fathom wadi]

gg

[frosty halo]

Good lad. He has a game to win.

[fathom wadi]

😄

[frosty halo]

Walk it the f—- off like a boss

Was worried we’d have a pitch death.

[fathom wadi]

that would have sullied an otherwise interesting celebration of football I don't watch 😄

[frosty halo]

My wife loves football. I’m only doing it cause she likes the company. I’m not a great football fan. Basketball is more my thing.

But that’s what you get when you steal a Brit wifey… a footie fan for life.

[fathom wadi]

I used to be a season ticket holder for Blackburn Rovers. But when they sold the club to the chicken chasers, got rid of the manager, sold all the players, then to rub it in, starting charging disabled people extra to have a carer present, I ditched it. But I did manage to get a signed shirt from the last team I followed, which had greats like Pederson, Tugay, Friedel and most importantly for me, Mark Hughes on it.

[frosty halo]

That’s a great keepsake tbf. Shame about what happens though. I’ve come to see so much change in professional sports and not all of it for the better. Shame.

Like boxing. Whatever happened to proper boxing. Now it’s Logan Paul challenging half the oldies as a pissing match.

[pearl elk]

why box when you can do ballet kicks 😛

https://tenor.com/view/jean-claude-van-damme-thumbs-up-ok-okay-good-gif-4537133

[fathom wadi]

speaking of fighting, tonight's UFC is gonna be a banger

[pearl elk]

I like UFC but damn some of those matches are anti-climactic

[fathom wadi]

yeah but thats the price you pay for watching the best of the best. Sometimes they just cancel each other out

[pearl elk]

well I think most of it happens off screen in the prep

its pretty clear they find their opponents weakness and exploit it, so the more you fight in UFC the harder it gets

[fathom wadi]

yeah get a bad batch of roids and you are off your game 😄

[frosty halo]

That explains why one of my testes is tripping me up

[fathom wadi]

yeah sounds nuts

[pearl elk]

welp there goes your womens championship belt 😛

[frosty halo]

Waheeeey dad joke alert

Haha

Idk seeing the women who participate in UFC

… i’d fold just to be put inside a headlock

And then bam! Sneaky strike to the ribs!

Ladies who do professional fighting are scary tho

[fathom wadi]

Dad jokes are great, but foster-parent jokes are the best. Like the time my dad said "you're adopted" and he left me in the forest that one night. Oh the laughs we had later 😄

[frosty halo]

Ngl

I’m still waiting for my dad to come home from buying a pack of cigs

One day soon… the shop must be far far away

[fathom wadi]

I once said to my dad "I want to be shot into space" and he replied "If I wasn't so drunk that night you would have been"

[frosty halo]

Son: Dad did you ever get shot in the army?
Dad: no I only got shot in the leggy.

[fathom wadi]

boom

How did they get an entire horse's house through the hospital door?

[frosty halo]

No idea. How?

Oh now the picture loaded

Derp

[fathom wadi]

hoof tf knows

[frosty halo]

Ha

[carmine frigate]

seems like many of these new UE5 joiners start by installing it on their mobile device

more like, this iphone cost 1000$ it should run everything

i can play fortnite on it so unreal engine has to work too

[cursive crypt]

phones are for tetris and minecraft

[carmine frigate]

lol i cant watch that crap 😛

watched for 3 min and allmost trew up a lil 😛

[pearl elk]

cringe 3

[quasi mantle]

Imagine simping on Unity because of own stupidity

If anything, I can make the most mundane computer tools with Unreal Engine, just like how people make such thing in Unity.
Overengineered it may be, but yay blueprints

[soft night]

they still continue to play

[fathom wadi]

Unity is obviously worse than Unreal because I can't use it. But then if I trained in Unity that opinion would be reversed. Use the best tool for the job is the only thing I care about. If thats Unity I'd be learning that now.

[pearl elk]

you dont know how the internet works, do your research

[carmine frigate]

what kind of work does the internet do?

[light spruce]

It moves cats

It used to move pictures of cats, but with increases in automation, it can now physically move the cats

[cursive crypt]

https://i.redd.it/d0i96w81ft471.jpg

hehe

[light spruce]

Record profits, shit wages and working conditions, more and more in-game purchase bullshit including "SURPRISE MECHANICS", "The base price of games hasn't changed in X years!"

And now it's 80 euros for a "standard" edition of a game because you managed to get a PS5

[cursive crypt]

I wonder how much is because of the tax of ps 4 and 5.

[pearl elk]

thats just the standard game thats not the price for all the unlocks

there will be 20 player classes each with a $25 unlock pack and thats just for season 1

[light spruce]

I wasn't meant for this world.

[pearl elk]

you have to buy this world DLC thats why

[light spruce]

I want to play a game where Shooter McGavin is one of the characters

[median wraith]

MS charges extra 10€ at steam

For whatever it is

It seems like the new consoles are doing nice since all games are released for last gen too lmao

[soft night]

harder to get those new consoles is still there

some news i get recently that it is almost impossible to get newgen consoles in finland

[ebon marten]

Would you guys mind a math question unrelated to programming/ue4? I need to remap some grades, I messed up student's assessment 😐

[pearl elk]

why do you need a new console when theres no new games 😛

[fathom wadi]

if you eat some hay, make things out of clay, lay by the bay, you just may be able to make one.

[regal pecan]

So you can run the old games at the resolution they were advertised to run at.

[pearl elk]

But those games are so poorly optimised the FPS cap is all in software

thing is by the time these things are worth buying we're already talking 2-3 generations of hardware ahead

so for example, the buzz is all nanites and lumens now but in 6 years when those games are actually done being made it'll just look stock

it happened with previous Playstations as well, I remember when PS2 launched there was bugger all to play on it

2-3 years later you get a nice little catalog but issue is now there is a focus on remastering content so they try to use that to fill the gap

but that gaps gotten so large, we're not really seeing many games use modern hardware at all, its more of just plugging a turbo into a prius instead of releasing a tesla

a good example is the God of War announcement that it'll support PS4, I know what people are upset cuz the first game is full of loading doors and the PS5 doesnt really have that limitation but you still cant build around that new tech because you have to support the lowest common denominator. Which is some guy with a 386 mx2 and a spinner drive 😛

[soft night]

in FInland some fans are now celebrating outside

[pearl elk]

all I know is life is short and I want some more good games to come out before I drop dead

they can announce all they like but its all hype no substance

dont really have 15yrs to wait for Star Citizen to finally be done

[soft night]

Devolver are always different

[pearl elk]

Devolver are just very self aware

theyve done it for what 4 years running now

E3

its usually just slotted in between big publishers

yeah it always makes me smile but it is abit sad too, its good that we can poke fun at ourselves as developers but at the same time it frustrates me

I have this vision of a Triple-I industry where we dont just get cheapo graphics on good games we get the best of both worlds and dont have to wait a decade for it

[fathom wadi]

I have a vision of the single-I industry where I get paid enough to move up a notch

[pearl elk]

well Notch is way up there

[light spruce]

I'm looking for the other half of this bottle

[pearl elk]

but his graphics are waaaay down there

[light spruce]

And his thoughts are way out there where you don't want to be

[pearl elk]

so more like -I

but there is no I in Team so I suppose that works

[light spruce]

But there is an I in pie

and meat is an anagram of team

Man

[pearl elk]

is Notch an a-hole, I wouldnt know

but I do know one thing

[light spruce]

Two questions

What dogshit font did they find for that? And also is it supposed to look like a dick?

[pearl elk]

I am the Thanos of the game world, I would snap my fingers and make half of the game projects in development disappear so that we could dedicate the spare resources to the projects that are left

[light spruce]

💄 RED ROCKET

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Persson#Controversy

[pearl elk]

half the zombie games, how are we going to cope people

Im gonna have to start up an energy drink company called cope just so we can all get by

[light spruce]

So, yeah, he's a bag of dicks

[pearl elk]

well some people are into that sort of thing

[carmine frigate]

also remind me not to say stuff on the internet 😛

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-horse-shouts-gif-5757772

Doom should always be free tbh

[soft night]

gearbox showcase is cool

[light spruce]

If you ever become noteworthy, the best skill you can learn is the ability to shut up.

[fathom wadi]

Yeah a dirty look is worth way more than a "FU Buddy" 😄

[light spruce]

If you don't say things, by definition, you cannot say stupid, ignorant, or controversial things.

[carmine frigate]

im down with a hetro pride day tho, any reason to go out and get wasted ill take 🙂

[pearl elk]

you'll never be noteworthy, no matter how well you think youre doing Tim Cook wont know who you are 😛

[regal pecan]

You can be noteworthy if you open your mouth often enough.

[light spruce]

I'm not a fan of Pride because I hate the idea that who you are needs to be celebrated rather than just being no factor.

[pearl elk]

Id have to spend alot of hush money to get into politics

then again maybe all those pros dont matter, no one seems to care since its still a boys club

[regal pecan]

The number of discord channels you'd need to delete.

[pearl elk]

Id have to start using my real name on instagram though to message random ladies

[light spruce]

@pearl elk I'm sure I could offer you reasonable rates to close a contract.

[muted oracle]

so i did some light transport wizardry in roblox

i used multi threading too but still CPU only

heres what it looked like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853153769503326238/853387204407459870/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853153769503326238/853386924878594058/unknown.png

[pearl elk]

thanking you 🙂

[muted oracle]

with a mirror reflecting sunlight back into the home

all direct/indirect lighting

[carmine frigate]

ahh so that is what roblox looks like

[muted oracle]

if i turned it into blender yea

this is my experimental path tracing engine

[carmine frigate]

i never bothered to look up what it was all about

[muted oracle]

as of now it doesnt actually support light sources

only light emitting objects

cuz its directly following the paths photons take

[carmine frigate]

ahh we dont support roblox questions here tho

most of us dont know shit about that

[muted oracle]

yea just demonstrating some tech im working on

actually possible now since roblox added support for multithreading

working on denoising algorithms of course

yea, it kinda follows the same principle as cycles

follow the path that light takes to reach the pixel

[carmine frigate]

i might be impressed if i had any idea what u are talking about

but i dont 😦

[muted oracle]

basically making a realistic rendering engine within roblox

is the tl;dr

[pearl elk]

looks like it needs some serious denoising

[shell garden]

turns out the R in RTX stands for roblox

[pearl elk]

the blox stands for the giant pixels everywhere

[fathom wadi]

The T stands for T. It's just a middle initial.

[shell garden]

rtx=roblox t giant pixels

[light spruce]

Time travel, since I was away... I totally understand it. It's me lamenting the "necessity"

[shell garden]

📈 pity the foo

[light spruce]

I'd probably be impressed too.. if I knew jack shit about Roblox

@muted oracle (side note, I'll read your name as voonder voollluf) Is that the actual render output and none of the ... original render is there?

[muted oracle]

“original render?”

thats pure path tracing done entirely manually

i had to make a separate color class to support HDR colors

and raycasting already provided so that part was easy

[light spruce]

Basically, since I don't know anything about this setup... I don't know where this is in the render pipeline

[muted oracle]

there is no render pipeline actually

you cant do anything with shaders or the GPU, roblox doesnt allow it

[light spruce]

well.. there has to be something because you have output

[muted oracle]

i just made some pixels and colored them

[shell garden]

it's actually a render series of tubes instead

[muted oracle]

little parts in this case

so its like people making rubix cubes art

or minecraft image art

its 3d objects colored as pixels

cuz their 2D UI pipeline is actually laggier for some reason

[light spruce]

Oh .. so it's... all that's a bunch of objects in 3D space to create the appearance of light bounces

[muted oracle]

no

i am doing path tracing manually

everything is completely virtual

the only physical thing is when i create the 3d pixels

but those are just displaying the screen stored in memory

the screen i rendered/rasterized with path tracing

[light spruce]

Yeah.. I'm now more confused than when I started

[shell garden]

with pen and paper?

[light spruce]

I think this is the "I don't know anything about roblox" part of the problem

[muted oracle]

tl;dr i made my own multithreaded cpu based rendering engine, and its drawing to a screen made of 3d pixel bricks

[shell garden]

like dlss v1, you have to send each frame off to @muted oracle for processing, and you get the rendered image back in 6-8 weeks

pay extra for express shipping

[regal pecan]

Write path tracer in roblox scripting language, output by creating colored blocks.

[light spruce]

probably still looks better

[regal pecan]

Geometry is stored as... ?

[muted oracle]

roblox Parts

aka just generic primitives like cuboids and spheres

[regal pecan]

And roblox lets you raycast roblox parts. Interesting. Now I want to look if somene's made doom in it.

[muted oracle]

roblox is good with instancing so once the full screen is drawn i get back to good fps

[light spruce]

So... the geometry isn't real ... but you're rendering a scene to a virtual screen made of cubes?

[muted oracle]

theres no way to make it really performant unfortunately

[shell garden]

nvidia dlss v1: send rendered images in to nvidia hq "for analysis", receive a jar of vaseline in return

[muted oracle]

basically each pixel is following the path of hundreds of photons of light

because in real life theres a near infinite amount of photons travelling from everywhere into a specific point of a camera or eye

so this is an estimation of that

and draws the result to the screen

all of those images were created with only one light emitting object

so the interior was lit purely with indirect lighting

aka light bouncing around the room and landing on a light source or recieving light from other objects

similar to how it works in real life

[light spruce]

I'd probably say "innumerable" but, yeah I get that idea. The whole thing I was trying to get to involved the denoise part... because I thought if you had a separate scene that you were rendering, you could basically do a blend rather than trying to straight up denoise some final output because you'll always get weird shit with edges

[muted oracle]

the denoising is just done on the final image but I’m using a pretty basic algorithm

so its not perfect

[light spruce]

It never is

[muted oracle]

plus I’m using very rough objects

meaning when light hits it, it scatters in several directions

with smoother objects the reflections are more precise

because if you look at a mirror the light reflects basically in one direction

[light spruce]

That's why PBR (PABST BLUE RIBBON LET'S ALL RIDE FIXIES) materials became such a big deal

[muted oracle]

as opposed to a foggy mirror, spreading when it reflects

[light spruce]

angle of incidence

I'm pretty sure I saw that guy in ... wait one

[muted oracle]

one of the problems though is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559920452114317342/853380785939546142/unknown.png

lighting scenes is very difficult when you have no direct lighting

the only kind of lights that exist are light emitting objects, no directionals, etc

but as a pro, ANYTHING can emit light

so if i shine a flashlight in a mirror, that light can be reflected toward another object like in real life

[shell garden]

yah anything glows if you heat it enough

[light spruce]

Yeah.. he was in Burn Notice... and it was super weird seeing him be kinda panicky as opposed to being the hard motherfucker he is in Dexter

[shell garden]

the internet is a series of youtubes invented by albert goreandviscera

[light spruce]

I understand the principles of what you're doing and everything... I just don't know enough about the actual implementation within your "engine" so to speak.

[muted oracle]

the implementation is too complex for me to explain

[regal pecan]

I'm impressed it doesn't have the "sparklies" problem from cycles.

[muted oracle]

because I’m literally following the path of the photons of light

and computing how they are absorbed and reflected by materials and the environment

[shell garden]

so you're raytracing

[muted oracle]

path tracing*

[shell garden]

raypathing

[muted oracle]

path tracing cuz I’m following the light paths

[light spruce]

@zinc matrix Also, let me be real with you a sec. It should be readily apparent that I'm a misanthrope and I do not like most people. You, however, managed to trip the relevance flag and therefore are "all right in my book." But this ! shit is unnecessarily upsetting and I am a very fragile person and therefore am concerned that I could burst into flames at any point and blame it on you.

[shell garden]

honestly that didn't seem impossible to explain to me 🙃

[muted oracle]

yea i didnt use any transparent objects

right now I’m not handling them

i have yet to deal with refraction and fresnel

[shell garden]

so you're not even raypathing

[regal pecan]

I noticed cycles and sparklies tend to be related to diffuse bounces. Not sure what that's about.

[light spruce]

Something I was about to point out.. so... ahead of me on that front

Since a translucent material usually isn't just a one-sided plane....

[muted oracle]

im still using path tracing algorithms

but i havent implemented translucency yet

the main reason why i typically don’t do refraction is because roblox makes it difficult

its not easy to do inner reflection or refraction in roblox

[light spruce]

So, to do it right, you'd need to take into account the object depth... not have backface culling or... some kinda shit since I'm just musing generally at this point

[muted oracle]

cuz the raycasting hits the objeect if its in the object not if it hits the surface of the object

[light spruce]

You mean like people that did it and it should have been the key to smash that block button, but I waited until undisclosed (but easily determinable) person did something about 12 times as stupid before ripcording that shit?

ProTip: just say "yes" even if you don't know what the hell I'm talking about

[real palm]

or I could not

[muted oracle]

the main issues is due to the limitations of the raycast function i have

all it does is hit an object if its inside the object, and give me the material

[real palm]

checkmate theists

[regal pecan]

Denoiser most likely hides it, not fixes it. I noticed in one case the 'sparklies' were actually a perfect (and very bright) diffuse reflection that was so unlikely to be raytraced that it wasn't apparent as a shape until the sample count was in the thousands.

[shell garden]

honestly the real solution here is quantum computing

[muted oracle]

so i cant do stuff like backface culling or inner reflection

[shell garden]

port your roblox pathtracer to quantum cpus

[muted oracle]

yea i think its cuz with diffusion the light rays travel in a broader direction

the smoother the surface, the more precise the light reflection direction

so if some rays hit the light source then they would “sparkle”

[light spruce]

Denoising something is basically exactly that. It's really kind of a hack

[muted oracle]

increasing sample count or denoising amount will make it go away

also yea but its required

[light spruce]

It's a resolution problem

[muted oracle]

its more efficient to run a denoising algorithm than to render 100x as many samples per pixel

because photons are supposed to be “random”

[light spruce]

Absolutely. It wasn't me saying "that's fucking dumb"

[muted oracle]

theres no way to tell exactly how light reflects against a surface

[light spruce]

I guess I could have called it a "kludge" perhaps

[muted oracle]

nor to get every single combination of light that bounced off the surface in that direction

rendering is always an estimation of the path light rays take

[shell garden]

ok how about this for an algorithm then

build the objects in real life, then take photos of them

[soft night]

there is raytracing tutorial

[muted oracle]

its like
lim (renderPixel(density))
density -> ♾️

[light spruce]

It's safe to assume that most of you weren't in existence when my modeling mantra was "lie, cheat, and steal"... because you had such a limited budget to work with.. budgets really. Polygons, textures, everything. So you did whatever you could to get the effect... and the actual physical geometry or anything else didn't matter.

[regal pecan]

Makes me think of penumbra wedges, the "I'm going to count every triangle by hand" solution to occlusion.

[muted oracle]

the rendering equation in its most basic form

density being the photon density

[light spruce]

I'm wondering if patches is just like.. a more aggressive version of Mons

[muted oracle]

soon i will add branching

will need less samples to compute with less noise but branches are expensive

[shell garden]

i'm actually thinking this is an interesting problem: is it theoretically possible for a computer to 100% accurately simulate the movement of light in an arbitrary space in real time?

[muted oracle]

in realtime, no

the problem is that photons are uncountable

u cant look and measure in a single 3d point how much light there is and what wavelength it is

and how much energy each photon has

theres too many

we don’t even know if photons are particles or just waves

[shell garden]

as if that means anything anyway. electrons aren't technically particles either 😛

[muted oracle]

the most accurate thing you can do is to just use a camera in real life

but cameras have noise sometimes too

[shell garden]

so the question really is, how close is "good enough" for your simulation?

[muted oracle]

theres just way too much to compute

[muted oracle]

that depends on several factors

a balance on some imaginary fulcrum between:

[light spruce]

The question is irrelevant, because the process is the point.

[regal pecan]

If you don't know how to accurately simulate the movement of light, you can't speculate on if a computer could do it... unless you assume the universe is already a simulation.

[muted oracle]

1. render time
2. sample count
3. branches
4. light bounces
5. image resolution
6. denoiser algorithm

if it takes an hour to render the image but it looks like garbage

[light spruce]

The universe already is most likely a simulation.. however, that doesn't in any way imply the ability to accurately or even adequately simulate the simulation.

[muted oracle]

i have a very noisy image in my renders for example

even with denoising and 128 samples per pixel

but its still authentic looking

cuz the light transport is pretty accurate

[shell garden]

in which case, how large is the simulator? does it calculate every particle position, or use interpolation and respond on request? if it responds on request, at what point will it overload and crash? 🙃

[light spruce]

You will always be subject to the constraints of the simulation unless you find a way to exploit it and thus break out of its constraints... therefore, in any realm, whether it's accurate rendering, developing superpowers, or considering if your life has meaning... it's all completely irrelevant.

[muted oracle]

plus u cant render at an infinite resolution

for example ♾️ x ♾️

so it will always be an estimation

[shell garden]

spoken like someone who's done a 2 day extension course in ontological philosophy

[muted oracle]

regardless of your resolution, sample count, whatever

and thats the problem

the rendering problem has no solution

[pearl elk]

ray tracing in this simulation is really well implemented

[muted oracle]

you can only estimate

[pearl elk]

so is chaos

[shell garden]

P=NP

problem solved

[muted oracle]

what simulation

[pearl elk]

Problem=No Problem

[muted oracle]

lol

[light spruce]

@shell garden I'll be straight-forward with you. At any given moment, I can't quite figure out if I would throw you off a building or not. Because sometimes, you're just taking the piss, which is fine. Other times, you seem a bit more vengeful than that.

[muted oracle]

but yea regardless of the noise this is still an amazing quality image

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853153769503326238/853386924878594058/unknown.png

cuz the light seems to behave realistically

bouncing all over the room and diffusing

the shadows are created naturally

[shell garden]

piss is just bodily waste. why would i take it?

[muted oracle]

based on if there is any light actually bouncing onto the object at that point

[shell garden]

[pearl elk]

looks to me like a heap of light bleeding and a completely fake light source

[muted oracle]

i mean the light source is just an object thats bright

there is no light sources really in my engine

its just light bouncing around

and if an object happens to be bright, it shares its light with its neighbors

there is only one "light source" in that image

and its a big glowing ball

the rest of the light is indirect and diffusing throughout the room

[shell garden]

ok so it's the same concept as emmissive objects in lumen

[pearl elk]

well thats not really realistic because light doesnt just materialise its a byproduct of a chemical reaction

[muted oracle]

i mean

my simulation literally takes place in a void

with the only light coming from something bright enough

[shell garden]

i'm still wondering what the "impossible to explain" part of this is

[muted oracle]

if there is nothing bright enough nothing will be lit

but if say i add a flashlight into the scene

it "emits" light

because its very bright

[pearl elk]

the type of light matters alot as there are wavelengths of the spectrum we cant see yet it still has an impact

[muted oracle]

and that light will be distributed throughout the scene

[light spruce]

Well. That definitely tipped the scales into, "Yep. I hate you." territory.

[fathom wadi]

Light is really just optimistic darkness.

[muted oracle]

i will render a simple example with lots of noise

[pearl elk]

none of us have actually seen darkness

[muted oracle]

of a scene with only a flashlight and a mirror

[pearl elk]

we have seen various shades of lightness 😛

[fathom wadi]

I rendered a scene the other day with lots of noise and the neighbours complained.

[light spruce]

The one thing about light... it's impossible to destroy with darkness

Photons can't be killed.

[pearl elk]

Oh I totally have and did the whole 50 shades

but no black cuz theres no coming back from that

[shell garden]

photons are IMMORTAL

[light spruce]

well, yeah.. once you go black, you go deaf

[pearl elk]

you guys seem to forgotten about black holes

they have enough mass to pull in photons

[regal pecan]

The inside of black holes is a big rave.

[shell garden]

still doesn't kill them, just traps them

[light spruce]

Black holes crush things in the singularity and eventually vomit all the components back out

[muted oracle]

plus human bodies emit wavelengths of light

[pearl elk]

I actually saw a really cool simulation on a huge LED screen when Prof Brian Cox toured here

[muted oracle]

not like a glowing brightness

[light spruce]

"once you go black, you go deaf" Family Guy thing about "doing it in the ear"

[pearl elk]

speed of light isnt a constant is it

[shell garden]

speed of light through any given medium is constant

[pearl elk]

are you sure thats a roblox dude and not Notch 😮

[shell garden]

now port cyberpunk 2077 to qbasic

[pearl elk]

qbasic is cyberpunk

[shell garden]

and i do mean qbasic, not quickbasic

[pearl elk]

slowbasic

pretty sure he was doing an engine, my memory is bad these days though

so many devs soloing engines I forget who is who sometimes

but maybe pressure is what leads to greatness

look at volcanos, they aint shit without pressure

[soft night]

Cyberpunk 2077 can run in tesla

[pearl elk]

but once that lava flows it will eventually burn out

funny how volcanos are like zits on the Earth

you think the Earth ever wakes up and like owww my bum, what the hell thats a huge one

I think he's having enough issues trying to pay to fill that candy wall

I wonder if the buzz will ever die

I bet Windows 11 is built entirely in minecraft

I like crafting and I like mines

but I also like good graphics

which is why I played the crap out of Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 and not Minecraft

[muted oracle]

oh god

with no branching and one sample per pixel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683088925895557134/853389138471288842/unknown.png

[pearl elk]

I also preferred how Simcity 2000 did terrain, the tris thing is more interesting than the box thing

can make more interesting shapes that way

[fathom wadi]

i like how world machine did terrain. Because I have standards 😄

[regal pecan]

At least Sim City's terrain was effectively "real time".

[light spruce]

Notch can fuck himself off a cliff

And I don't remember anything about World Machine other than playing with it once

[pearl elk]

so real

[regal pecan]

Noisy af. "No actually that's my carbon fiber texture."

[light spruce]

That's why I make everything out of nanotubes

[pearl elk]

I just wrote this renderer in a few mins, what you guys think

its so hype they already using it on Mandalorian

[humble remnant]

[muted oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853153769503326238/853430834409635850/unknown.png

[fathom wadi]

@zinc matrixthe question is, did you really watch it in the first place, or was it just a malaised dream caused by drinking too much coffee and scoffing loads of cherry pie?

[light spruce]

https://giphy.com/gifs/twin-peaks-showtime-26mkhIj7fJHjq0JMI

[light spruce]

I wish I had a last name like Bada dollar sign dollar sign

[quasi mantle]

I regret paying $10 for a Starbucks coffee.

I swear those "rich people" coffee tastes so stale to me.

[tulip orbit]

yup. those fancy coffees just dont taste good

Maxwell House Dark Roast. all I need.

only coffee I buy is McD's, cheap but good

[fathom wadi]

I used to drink 8-10 coffees a day but I stopped with my herbal medication and now I only drink one a day. I kinda miss it.

[vital sandal]

hey guys

[quasi mantle]

Those coffees from the grocery stores are miles better in taste.

[quasi mantle]

Sup

[light spruce]

Laughing Man Dukale's Blend 4life

...now I kinda want to go make coffee

But I'm not sure I wouldn't vomit

ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT

[quasi mantle]

...after a message from today's sponsor

[fathom wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/angelo-bruno-kaffee-coffee-caffe-nescafe-gif-16769438

[quasi mantle]

[light spruce]

... that's the fourth time I've forgotten to get paper towels

[shell garden]

you know what this world needs?

[light spruce]

🎵 The best part of waking up.... is a boner in your butt 🎵

less me

[shell garden]

true, but also

[light spruce]

and probably less you too

[shell garden]

a donkey kong country movie, starring arnold schwarzenegger, and danny devito as diddy

[fathom wadi]

a garage would be nice. Somewhere we can park all the cars.

[light spruce]

Twins already exists

so... no

[shell garden]

yah but twins isn't a donkey kong country movie

[light spruce]

that's what automatically makes it better

[shell garden]

bEtTeR

would you rather it be a jason statham/vin diesel movie?

[light spruce]

Only if it's about family

[shell garden]

well yeah, donkey kong country is about family

all the family members from dk64

candy, cranky

[light spruce]

Family

All I have to say about Nintendo properties outside of video games.. if you can't appreciate Bob Hoskins's inability to perform a Bronx accent... or the part where John Leguizamo portrays his brother, Luigi .... I can't help you.

[shell garden]

bob hoskins was a treasure, RIP

extremely underrated actor, and brought exactly what was needed to mario

if it was made today, we'd have chris pratt as mario, and maybe joseph gordon-levitt as luigi

[fathom wadi]

he wasn't really underrated in the UK though. Ever since The Long Good Friday he was considered one of the best.

[light spruce]

Fisher Stevens was in that? Jesus. Things I remember: Goombas dancing in an elevator. Bob-ombs as a badly painted wind-up toy. The big metallic boots. The setup for a sequel at the end... when the video game franchise itself couldn't do its own sequel right on a worldwide stage

[shell garden]

dEnNiS hOpPeR

bob hoskins absolutely fucking CARRIED hook, and that's a movie with robin williams AND dustin motherfucking hoffman

[light spruce]

It was the 90s. Dennis Hopper was in a competition to be in as many things as Chris Cox

er

Brian Cox

[shell garden]

brian chris

[light spruce]

your mother

[shell garden]

and of course who framed roger rabbit couldn't have been made with anyone else as eddie valiant

[light spruce]

It probably could have been

[shell garden]

NO

it wouldn't have been a success

[light spruce]

I don't have any particular feelings overall towards Hoskins

[shell garden]

he brought a perfect blend of deadpan and comedic timing to the role

[light spruce]

I mean, John Leguizamo is solid, as far as I'm concerned... but that doesn't mean that film wasn't a thing that didn't need to exist

[shell garden]

and costarred with goddamn cartoon characters. even with rotoscoping over live actors, there aren't many actors of the age who could have pulled that off so convincingly

[light spruce]

I've had a lot of sleep, drugs, and alcohol since then. So I don't want to take any hard stance there. But I can say, without reservation, that your perception of a role is absolutely always colored by the actor who actually is in it.

See also: Indiana Jones... where people couldn't imagine Tom Selleck in that role, in spite of him being a great actor.

And that also being a great example of why doing the right thing is what gets you totally shafted

[shell garden]

pfft

there's nothing special about indiana jones

[shell garden]

stop spoiling my opinion with facts

[tulip orbit]

Quote of the day!

[shell garden]

sean connery isn't just a terrible person, he was also a terrible bond

roger moore did a great job, but for bond actors that took the role and movies seriously, daniel craig has been the best so far

completely different world of quality to pierce brosnan, timothy dalton, and gross mcpunchface

the only good sean connery role was adrian edmundson quoting michael caine in bottom

"i can't go to the window. people might confuse me for sean connery. 'don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes, lads' "

[fathom wadi]

lol

[shell garden]

and of course the other thing harrison ford is best known for, han solo ... star wars might have been a good movie if it had actual actors in it 🙃

alec guiness phoning it the fuck in, being so relieved when obi wan got killed off and he didn't have to be on set anymore

only actors on set who both took it super seriously and were any good were david prouse and carrie fisher

peter cushing doesn't count because he was wasted in such a badly miscast role

and was probably also wasted on booze the whole time 🍺

[light spruce]

Yeah, well, I guess it's a great thing that Daniel Craig was only in one Bond film that was both memorable and worth seeing

[shell garden]

casino of solace?

[light spruce]

yeah, sure

[shell garden]

spocktre?

[light spruce]

Surprised you didn't work a "layer" or "cake" in that title

[shell garden]

asterix and the skyfalling?

[light spruce]

And not every film that Alec Guiness was in needed to involve a fucking bridge

[shell garden]

"obi wan never told you about the bridges"

i like ewen mcgregor but i didn't like him as obi wan

not that i liked the prequel movies at all

i went to see attack of the clones based on "it can't possibly be as bad as phantom menace"

and have still never seen revenge of the sith because "welp now i've been burnt twice by these movies"

[light spruce]

If you ever want to see a man who has had his soul ripped from his body and thrown into an abyss... Jake Lloyd

[shell garden]

yyyyyyyyyyyup

poor kid

i mean, he was cast badly in the first place

but the script wasn't his fault

[light spruce]

You know that film you were cast in when you were a kid?

Fuck you, you personally ruined everything that I based my entire life around

I've seen a lot of broken people... and I remember some.. I guess.. amateur interview where he was like... watching a college basketball game or something?

And he just seemed like he'd excuse himself to go hit the head and then put a gun in his mouth except he didn't care enough to

[shell garden]

yah

like if anyone remade full metal jacket, jake lloyd would be the cadet pushed too far in the first half

[light spruce]

I hope he's doing a lot better these days.

I never need a mirror of how dead inside I am

[shell garden]

wow, capcom arcade stadium is ported to pc about as well as a capcom game's story is written

i mean it works, but it's stupid and broken

both works and broken at the same time 👍

glares at single-player games that require creating online accounts

[light spruce]

Welcome to the new world.

Please enjoy your stay.

(why the hell do I smell ham?)

[fathom wadi]

UFC just got it's first ever male Mexican UFC champion. Such an epic fight too.

[cursive crypt]

Consumed.

[shell garden]

when gta becomes cyberpunk you know you're doing it wrong

[cursive crypt]

Saw one for CP too

[light spruce]

Cyberpunk has a lot of good stuff going for it

If you can't see the good stuff in it you're a chickenshit

[fathom wadi]

the interesting thing about CP2077 is on PC it was actually pretty stable for an open world game. I had one crash and one physics bug during my playthrough. But the amount I saw on ps4 was plentiful. Crashed a few times in 3 playthroughs for my wife, and it ran sub-30fps a lot of the time.

[shell garden]

The glitches and bugs are the best parts. Just like any game 👍

[light spruce]

The one thing I can be thankful for... is that sometimes people remind me that I'm not as bad as I could be

[shell garden]

I'm gonna make my own GTA clone, with blackjack, and hookers ... Oh wait

[light spruce]

I can't imagine trying to play it on a PS4

[fathom wadi]

it also looked stupid good on pc

[light spruce]

Then again... there are people who will play a Bethesda game on a console

[shell garden]

This is a perfect description. It either looks good, or it looks stupid 👍

[light spruce]

And I'm like... forget "mods" ... you're just setting yourself up to not have people fix the shit that they won't

Not that that should ever be some random group's responsibility, mind you

[fathom wadi]

found a spot to do a Midnight Cowboy photo. Complete with boots and hat 😄

[shell garden]

Some day, if I ever have either the skills and motivation, or the money and resources/team, I want to make a Saints Row 2-type game

[light spruce]

Cyberpunk 2077 did a lot of things right

They missed the mark on plenty of things and absolutely didn't live up to the hype (though that's always impossible)

[shell garden]

Open world GTA-like with a major focus on customising characters, but with sexy modern graphics and online play

[fathom wadi]

its got replayability which is important for such a game too

been meaning to a run of melee only

[light spruce]

If you do ... wait one

[shell garden]

Cyberpunk lets you select your shlong size, but do you also get to choose your socks colour?

[fathom wadi]

why so?

[light spruce]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/2456?tab=description

You definitely want that

[fathom wadi]

ahh nice

[shell garden]

Hah, ladders

[light spruce]

I did a melee run before that mod was a thing.. which meant that I couldn't use katanas

Because the finisher animation would break you out of the Sandevistan time dilation

[shell garden]

Cyberpunk engine struggles more with ladders than Wolfenstein 3D engine did :P

[quasi mantle]

People already starting full blown game production with Unreal Engine 5 Early Access in the job board

[light spruce]

So I had to always use long blades, of which there are no iconics

[quasi mantle]

Or Doom engine for that matter, which people have been accomplished with stair trick in their Doom maps

[light spruce]

It was an annoyance... but I definitely didn't run into an issue murdering absolutely everyone though

[shell garden]

Yah but Wolf3D engine became Rise of the Triad, which actually has multiple vertical levels

[light spruce]

Knives, on the other hand... are abject garbage

@fathom wadi There are actually a pretty good number of just ... quality of life mods for Cyberpunk... most of the mods are cosmetic though, sadly

[shell garden]

I'm hiring UE6 developers, must have 3 years experience with DirectX14 and PlayStation 7

[quasi mantle]

Wake me up when Cyberpunk 2077 has chaos mod.

Oh wait, that thing is already official isn't it

[shell garden]

Cyberpunk 2077 chaos mod is called playing it on PS4

All the bugs, all the time

[fathom wadi]

im not usually one for modding games until I've ran them to death, but if the melee fixes things that are still broken I'll definitely add it in

[light spruce]

Yeah, I didn't mod anything on my first run at all.. though my first run of a game like that is usually ... "do whatever I feel like"

[shell garden]

Maybe the problem with CDProjekt is they haven't upgraded to BluRayProjekt

[light spruce]

I'm not looking to do some specific build

My last run, I was doing a bunch of weird takedown shit instead... and it kinda went off the rails

[muted oracle]

it looks better with raytracing and it runs fine on my laptop but i thought the game was a bit weird personally

[shell garden]

Lol @ laptop gaming

[fathom wadi]

ive not got raytracing skills on my card but it looks fine without it imo

[muted oracle]

fun to play at times but otherwise meh

[light spruce]

From what I've seen of the raytracing..

[muted oracle]

its pretty good ill show some photo mode pics

[light spruce]

it's... a tossup

It looks good in some cases... and like shit in some others

[quasi mantle]

Cyberpunk 2077 should be ported to the Switch, just because.

[shell garden]

I started playing Control and I can see the value of raytracing for it

[light spruce]

That melee mod does have some options that let you tweak a few things

[shell garden]

I spent 2 minutes trying to walk through a window because I only have a 1070 🙃

[muted oracle]

my settings

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683088925895557134/806674005771419709/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683088925895557134/806675013091590144/photomode_03022021_175814.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683088925895557134/806678543504375848/photomode_03022021_181221.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/417391013640798218/806671031790993438/unknown.png

[light spruce]

Like it's optional if the time dilation stuff lets you use melee faster or not

[muted oracle]

i should take some photos in the city square

[light spruce]

My biggest thing about it was the execution animations breaking slow motion

[shell garden]

Is that paint job meant to look like that?

[light spruce]

Yes

[muted oracle]

whats wrong with it

[light spruce]

Actually one of the best cars in the game, oddly enough

[shell garden]

It looks like a clipping fail

[muted oracle]

the best is the other one that you can buy or get from story

[light spruce]

Well that's probably because you don't understand the concepts of things like "stripes" or "design"

[muted oracle]

not the batmobile knockoff

the one called coyote or something

[light spruce]

The Shio.. yep

[muted oracle]

i use mods when i play cyberpunk cuz its really fun

u can teleport to cutscene locations and find some weird stuff

[light spruce]

Except that it's dogshit at offroad in spite of being a "nomad" type setup

[muted oracle]

only problem is even though cyberpunk is open world most of the cutscene areas are special and arent loaded in all the time as part of the map

[light spruce]

I love the design of it.. but it's way too low to the ground for what it's supposed to be for.... on tarmac... it's a high speed RC car

[muted oracle]

and i dont know how to trigger them with console or game methods

[light spruce]

At least some of the areas are hidden around the map

[muted oracle]

yea and theres even an unused underground getaway that i documented

[light spruce]

Some of them... are effectively instanced in that they only show up with certain flags

[muted oracle]

^

[light spruce]

Man

[muted oracle]

i have this mod that exposes the cyberpunk methods to a lua console you can open in game

[light spruce]

I tried SUPER fucking hard to break that game

[muted oracle]

but i cant figure out how to enable them

[light spruce]

It only breaks when it wants to