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Honestly I've not checked it out yet but knowing how large crowd simulations work then I'm interested to see how it optimises the workflow
There was a MP asset which claimed like 1000000000000 NPCs or so
lol
marketplace assets man
In that case they were skelmeshes. Think most of the authors products were kinda advertising some big numbers.
kajillion NPCs
This shit?
Nah, that's Marc's people. I was talking about Epic's marketplace.
Marc's people? ๐ค
Was it this then https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/world-director-npc ?
you can do a lot if you mix and match techniques from niagara particles to vertex animated meshes to imposters and flat LODs. But it's that varied workflow where re-editing can cost you a lot of time
We have someone in the Discord who works on Atoms?
100 ๐
Perhaps Dean. I was in contact with someone on LinkedIn though
"On my system with an AMD 2700X processor, I achieved 200000+ pawns at 120+FPS."
Atom looks amazing, but the pricing/licensing is beyond stupid
yeah but if it's good, it probably warrants it for a month or two here and there. Especially in the VFX world where everyone is spending stupid money right now
You can't even get it as an indie gamedev
I'd rather making my own crowd solution than going for the Atom.
Like, there's literally no license to spot there for us
I like to chop people up into 1000ths too
bet about Epic buying it and integrating to engine : >
Making my own crowd solution and make it free open source.
Aren't they integrating georeferencing in 4.27?
What's the deal with 4.27 anyway lol
there is no deal. its free ๐
Huh, maybe I missed it or it was updated ๐ค
I guess Oodle is a big deal, but then it's a C++ plugin and I'm certain it's backport-able to 4.26
I think GlassBeaver over #cpp is doing now some instancing of skelmeshes (since ages), numbers will be about "a lot".
75/year for a one person team doesn't seem so bad
This was the thing that concerned me last time I think, the moment you have more than 1 person...
no deal it's really mainatance release
They need to make discounts for old people. Over 67y say.
there is nothing particulary new, just bunch of fixes and enhancment for virtual production
per person you place in the world*
4.27 EOL release
What if 4.28 is actually 5.0 all along?
No, actually @fathom wadi
Can only be used by solo developers/artists
The way I read this, you can't do the 75/year if you're actually working on a game you want to sell. As then you have a company/studio for that, right? Idk, it's confusing
Or like, how does that work? The moment your team grows it isn't valid anymore?
Epic should release 4.97 so they have a few versions to polish up for a 5.0 ๐
Joke on you when 4.101
Well for now I'm just using it with a PLE but like I say, if anyone is getting some of that silly VFX/VP money that's being burned on everyone setting up new LED stages, it might be useful ๐
What if 4.27 is just the final most refined iteration of ue4, but everyone neglects it for ue5
Watch the hype ๐
Not that it would
I'll just wait they fix weird malloc with Control Rig in 4.27
That weird malloc stalled me for quite a bit.
I can't wait for Day 1 of UE5 when people spam the chat channels with "Hows I doings Lumens pl0x?"
@quasi mantleControl Rig has a life of it's own when it comes to crashes ๐
cant wait for the roman numerals version numbering UE V.IX
Ah yes
Control Rig seemed too good to be true so they nerfed it with weird malloc lol
Not sure if you tried it out last year but holy moly. You had to have autosave set to 5 seconds in case editing controls crashed the editor
Didn't tested it in 4.24, I didn't know it existed back then
By the time 4.25 released, Control Rig finally touted as a thing, but still marked experimental, and I skipped 4.25 anyway, so fast forward to 4.26
Also, Control Rig is a plugin, right? Theoretically, that should allow me to bring whatever fixes in the 4.27 tree to 4.26
yep
also it wil prolly break ur rigs ๐
I think not ๐ค
It's in beta form, so I don't epect drastic changes.
its experimental so it wil prolly break stuff on update
.24 and .25 rigs aare not compatible
its experimental but its better than it was. So likely its gonna fix more than it breaks ๐
yea but u prolly need to redo the rigs u have
you can always regenerate the rig and copy over the unit nodes
yup that prolly has to be done
dunno why I call them unit nodes. They are Units. The nodes are superfluous. But I can't help it. They are NODES dammit !
a lot of nodes wil prolly be similar
I don't even know Control Rig existed in 4.24 lol
Units are measurements. Nodes are ... well who knows what nodes are... and don't control points for splines also get referred to as control nodes in some applications?
(I could be on drugs)
((I'm always on drugs))
(((IN STEREO)))
Lisp
Hey, my speech is excellent
@cursive crypt What about lisp? Are we using lisp? Are rewriting unreal in lisp?
I partake in writing things in Lisp.
Chill, lol
๐ฎ political on Twitter ! You are brave ๐
Political stuff ain't do shit on me.
I trained my balls for shielding against Twitter gender politics.
WTF is gender politics?
my ban came from someone calling Three Days in Fallujah a "documentary". Because Fallujah was dynamically generated apparently :/
if that game is realistic I wonder how people feel about those E for Everyone gambling simulators
oh right those are fine, cuz no ones feelings get hurt
yeah I have agreat clip of Forza racing with a giant slot machine function
it tickled me
its crazy that everyone is like omg Fallujah in the title it has to be US Army recruitment tool
like CoD, Medal of Honor, etc etc etc aint
It's more of a blatant propaganda as opposed to recruitment tool
yeah well the US didnt single handedly win WW2
gamification of a war crime was my argument. But it is what it is. That story was horrific.
Most games glorify the US military. I've never seen one where you have to mow down civilians in a rice patty or call an air strike on a dangerous daycare center.
Genshin Impact got T rating not because of its gambling simulator ๐ค
T for tiddies?
@ivory lodge COD had a level where you mowed down civvies in an airport. But they removed it because it was offensive
Tendies.
Aren't they made it completely optional in the remaster?
Also Russians pretending to be American.
Not omitted entirely per se
It's called "No Russian"
I like how people talk about war crimes in games like they are actual war crimes while actual war criminals go unpunished cuz people are busy bitching about war crimes in games shrugs
not sure I wouldn't play that trash tbh. It might look nice but meh. War games lost their appeal to me after watching Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria and more live on tv
It's called growing up. And we can never do it while thinking we will someday be the biggest badass in the world.
It's better to commit "war crimes" on them demons, hell priests, and the Maykrs though
If I want to commit genocide, I'd rather go UV Max run in Doom levels.
we should be promoting letting all those little Hitlers go nuts in the virtual world right, least they wont start WW3
@pearl elk There is some logic behind that.
War Games. It's rarely a game.
And they say Doom is bad because of killing demons to save humanity. Pffft.
War is just killing enough people that one side can't fight anymore.
Heavy Metal music is the path to the Devil son
And games make up forget that.
hmm mystery free game in 15 min ๐
Anyway, it's almost late night here in the archipelago.
Gotta sleep
so is wearing a skirt that comes above your knees
"War is a racket" - General Smedley-Butler
@carmine frigate A free game and a reason to change the topic? Tell me MORE!
not much i can tell about it, its a mystery
@fathom wadi YES. Also watch wardogs.
plot twist. The game is "The Killing Game Show" reboot
I've seen war dogs. Kinda funny
its gonna be UT3 ๐
Let's talk about Lisp some more. That was fun.
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I want a parody game: Call of the Dootie: Nature's Wrath...
Blind Channel performing โDark Sideโ live at Eurovision 2021 Jury Show (19-05-2021)
Finland ๐ซ๐ฎ
I'd be interested in making a war game about the First Earth Battalion. I think that would be so satirically amusing it would become an anti-war game.
Rated E for everyone.
Rated Ouch for The Losing Side.
Call of Doody : Black Plops.
"Sarge what have you been eating?"
"I dunno but I need you to aquire seventeen rolls of toilet paper and some air freshener"
may I suggest burritos?
Hmmm... I wonder if there is a pub that has good food nearby...
If I had a bar I'd call it The Node and Plugin. When you first enter the building, there are no seats. Then I sell you a chair plugin from my pub-based marketplace. All drinks are instanced and the food is procedurally generated.
By the end of the night, everyone gets rendered.
๐คฃ
@pearl elk turns out the 970GTX runs the bullet train demo at 72FPS
wooo Bullet Train, thats going back a few years
NBA2K1 as a free game is an insult to free games. Not to sound ungrateful, because I won't download it, but holy moly that missed the mark ๐
still same VR things xd
well, one advantage is more fail videos of nba2k1 bugs
true ๐ I want to see the slot machine wins. Saves me some wallet abuse ๐
well I don't see this techs right now killing anything related the old standard gaming
1:30min of play 50% of battery
given the quality and other things well
Time travel: Can we all agree that the Unreal logo really needed to have changed like.. at least 15 years ago?
The current one? What's wrong with it? ๐ค
Because, from a branding perspective, it looks embarrassingly like some edgy late 90's shit you'd see drawn on the book cover for a high school biology class
The Mona Lisa needs updating too. Sick of that old hat enigmatic smile.
I bet if you showed the U without the Unreal Engine underneath most people wouldnt even associate the two off the top of their heads anymore tbh
I've personally never been a fan of the Mona Lisa from an aesthetic perspective. I recognize its importance and value historically; it is not something I would hang on my wall.
Mona Lisa has about as much to do with cutting edge graphics technology than a U with a ring around it ๐
I don't know what a modern Unreal Engine logo should look like.. I just know that one looks super out of place at this point
I feel like they shoulda gone with a V, move onto other cooler letters of the alphabet
lol
then we can get to XE, which everyone knows is the fastest letters
Vunreal Engine
Sir, I feel as though you are taking the piss, as it were, whereas I was expressing a genuine opinion of the current state of branding affairs.
thing is the logo barely stands on its own anymore, its always supported by Unreal Engine text
people dont even call it U, they call it UE4
True.
if Im honest I dont like any iteration of the Unreal U with a ring around it
it looks better as a 3d logo
I look at the logo and think "who me?"
which you know makes sense for a 3d engine right
Isn't Unity's the ... cube angle with the outlines that don't make sense?
basic monochrome branding is better for megacorp letter heads
... fuck. I forgot my tablet driver wasn't running
nice and cheap to print a zillion pens with logos on em
I WAS GOING TO FIX IT IN TWO SECONDS
Though I honestly kinda like the derpy ue face
apply for mega grants
gotta pay those respects
I don't know if you forgot already
Side note, I'm just drawing on my mask layers that I use for outline stuff or markers or whatever.. I'm not actually like "shit yeah, check this SWAT color palette"
maybe it should be like a keyboard key with F on it instead
It should look like a console controller button
So that's how you create a new graph.
So someone is trying to find a thing that doesn't exist
People have done all these xbox controller mods where they replace buttons with shell casings... surely someone has put an F button on one
He was orthogonal
๐ฎ
Pretend I could find a Community Beastmaster gif
bugs just got more advanced
what bug is that?
i just clicked randomly
๐
given the Ghostbusters thing... I know feel obligated
thats the wrong logo
I wonder if the fix in 5.0 is just "we removed lightmaps"
nah
lightmaps are still in
Life changinge
so changing that changing now has an e on it
That video is the only reason I've ever wished I had a clipboard application
And, if you think I'm not also watching it right now and just vomiting MLP everywhere... you are incorrect.
(this is how I know the drugs just kicked in)
aww hope so
I either ruined the chat or made everything better.
that Wrench stream last week was great
a capital Wrench just makes me think of the Watch underscore Dogs 2 character
So, yes. Ruined chat. There is no software I cannot crash. There is nothing I cannot kill. There is no situation I cannot make worse.
@light spruce Can you call my exwife?
Call her what?
What rhymes with orange....
The correct answer is : No it doesn't. ๐
No it doesn't? That sounds nothing like Orange.
Correct
Sporange
Are there any people who have studied or are studying at DAE (Digital Arts and Entertainment in Belgium other name is Howest)?
Not to be picky, but the Manny model needs the new Unreal logo updating on it's chest. I can do it for a nominal fee and credit as an Epic employee thanks gg ๐
Good catch, but we're probably just going to wait until whatever new Manny comes with UE5 to update it.
Meanwhile, if you guys have ideas for custom emoji, do let us know in #server-feedback.
:thinking_manny:
make a manny metahuman.
I want him to be Manno instead
lol I tried to post an image and it woudln't let me because it was deemed explicit but it's not ๐
I dont think discord likes Manny's man boobs
Metaman. MMO's greatest hero!
you will have to imagine the plastic nipples of course
The greatest MMO hero is Florida Man.
I glanced at that and was like "It's Norman Re--oh :("
Powdered Toast Man is the best ๐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixN40xO9tNA
I created this video with the YouTube Video Editor (http://www.youtube.com/editor)
I feel like the T is just tracing out a path of the vas defrens and the urethra
hmm Metahuman is out of the "queue period". Which I thought was fine anyway as you could trot out 3 or 4 metahumans in an hour anyway. But it's nice to know the balance has been measured ๐
ok I have to laugh. I ran a second appeal against my Twitter ban. What about my opinion of people who call the gamification of a war crime, a "documentary" ? Am I not allowed a safe space?
I shouldn't care but I miss my old network of friends that I only knew through twitter. There isn't much of a way to talk to them otherwise.
create ur own msg thing and call it shitter
If I was to make my own service, it would probably be reported as a right wing nazi outlet because I started it after getting banned on Twitter.
so people can send sheets
worst person on Twitter apparently. Damn those human rights supporters.
Let me tell you something that's rough
When you support human rights and carry a firearms and people then completely ignore anything aside from the gun part.
I tried to deactivate the account and it won't even let me.
that is some data protection violation right there.
actually a legit data protection crime to refuse access to your own data. It won't even let me download the data.
well if some1 is walking down the street here with a gun... yea thats prolly gunna get him arrested
no chance
yea commando is up there
I don't really walk down streets here. It'd be a long walk to get anywhere.
yea, i dont have to worry about wild moose or deers attacking me here tho
so i dont need a gun
No moose here... but there definitely is wildlife
You never know who might be a secret moose.
I don't even remember the last time I saw one
most vivid memory is when I was a kid and there was a moose and its calf standing on top of our earth cellar
mayB they evolved into somekind of chameleon tech
I'm not far enough north for moose. I don't know how I've managed to not hit at least two deer simultaneously in the driveway in the 15 years I've been here.
I've come within less than a meter of hitting quite a few
The last moose I hit unfriended me on Facebook after I didn't want to continue the f-buddy relationship we had ๐
I've had to be both feet in to avoid hitting one, then downshift, wide open throttle to keep one from running directly into the side of my car immediately afterward.
Yeah, I don't usually have to deal with Springboks. Wrong continent.
so one of the biggest perf costs is occlusion culling since it's still O(n) for every object
why would it be O(n) ๐ค
why wouldn't it? it checks the bounds for every object
what if you put the bounds into an octree and do a coarse pre-filter using that?
or do some sort of binary space partitioning
I was thinking why not use a fixed cost occlusion algo like by segmenting the scene as voxels or like u suggested octrees
the fixed cost would come from having a predefined set of voxels
Blair Witch: Oculus Quest Edition is a new version of the Blair Witch story, built specifically for VR from the creative minds behind the critically acclaimed Layers of Fear. It is a story-driven, psychological horror game where users experience first-hand the toll that fear can take on the mind through an original story inspired by the cinemati...
Look at the mobile VR version of this thing
There is a precomputed visibility option for occlusion culling which could be similar to an octree, but that's about it.
does someone have this Retro Graphics from marketplace ?
if you want to go dark side? ๐ฅ https://youtube.com/watch?v=Aw6KnFIIa4I
Blind Channel represented Finland in the Second Semi-Final of the Eurovision Song Contest 2021 with the song Dark Side
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Can't you just make a new account?
they will remove it if its associated with me at all
For that they would need to know that ๐
yeah and how would anyone else know it's me? :/ I use my real name for work purposes
If it's just to talk to friends, could do that through an alias
You'd have to get them to follow back for DMs, that'd be the tricky part
Kinda sucks that you lost those contacts ๐ฆ
indeed. Plus I'd probably just get banned again. My use of metaphors can get out of hand apparently.
@fathom wadiLike babies on a walrus.
that's pretty good, I like it
I just went through and I think I have all my controls mapped to the controller. There is some weird stuff like B being block AND dodge and using both triggers to shoot (One aims guns the other magic.) Does that sound plausible?
@broken sigil it was nervous when they started to say what 10 countries go to final
yeah that's why I like it lol
Is there some function to edit in world actors vertex colors?
I think the new logo is now growing up on me
Looking at it more and felt "yeah, this is okay"
Couldn't say, but if it isn't demonstrably real then you should treat it as unverified
never heard of Fivus? the man, the legend?
Fivus is love
nice 
I think I've implemented my input pipes in a night.
Actually it wasn't bad.
hey guys how do you say
the things you like
but in a word?
like spanish has "gustos"
looks like "gustos" just translates to "pleasures"
expensive
you could also just say "likes" I guess
keep in mind that when going between languages, there is not always an exact matching phrase/word for something
so while one language might have an expression for a thing that's just one word, another language might need more than one word for it
yea, that messes up my essay
Anime.
gay? (happy)
but yeah if it's something like "these are the things I enjoy", you could say "these are my likes" but I don't really know if it sounds very good
Kidding.
It could be "favourites"
yeah favorites is a good one too
(or favorite if you prefer American spelling)
banned
It's visually upsetting
Like whatever has to be happening inside of Gwyneth Paltrow's brain
Goop
well, the more you know
I wish I would either have a migraine or not... the indecision is killing me
why not sleep
?
a pan should do the jov
job*
Says Tastes on this one
https://www.linguee.com/english-spanish/search?source=auto&query=gustos
well it can be food taste
I did that earlier
seems it didnt work, try pills
we use taste not just for foods
I would call that something that's one of those not directly translatable things
havent herd taste outside that, but thats just me
ooh
likings
Yeah. But we wouldn't say, "My likings in music are limited to 1950s cellar recordings on vinyl"
Taste is more of preference than liking
fetish lol
@zinc matrix like on the inside of your eyelid or just the edge?
"Yes, I have fetish (likings) with short haired girls."
are you sure its about the short hair and not about the neckline?
Both, actually ๐
Ah. Yeah. Those are annoying as fuck.
Not as bad as scratching your cornea at least
Did that bad enough one time that I had to have my eye taped up for a couple of days. It was a lot harder to play Destiny with one eye than I thought it would be.
(I also can't tell the difference between high school anime girls and boys)
Im not sure you need to tell the difference
I mean, I don't. I like my women to be at least as three dimensional as 90s budget CG
three dimensional women, what sorcery is this
Make your own w~~/a/~~ifu with MetaHuman and AI based response system
(I would definitely do that if I'm still single in my 35s)
35s is an oddly narrow time band
and why am I always tired when I get out of the shower?
toss a pile of legos right outside the shower, they'll wake you up
that is apparently a netflix category
Not gonna lie
I sometimes think soap opera as the adult opera that you wank on.
Because soap can be used for that.
LPT: Don't wank with soap
but ffs, I swear it doesn't matter what time of day it is.. how much sleep I've had... I get out of the shower, get dressed... and then immediately want to throw myself on my bed and die
Wow
I never thought I'd run across an accidental soap opera exposure that topped the one I had waiting for an oil change
do they call them soap operas cuz Id rather eat a bar of soap
Two teenage women are sitting on the bed.. one's upset about something... the other is being consoling... and then her dad comes in and says to his daughter, "You're taking advantage of her feelings!" and to the other one, "My daughter's a lesbian!"
Here, local soap opera is just cashing in whatever stale meme is trending.
I was like.. man.. Grandma's "stories" sure have changed.
someone else bursts in...."My Sons a lesbian!" dramatic looks
Also sometimes mocking on one profession or hobby
I'm not surprised if they make one called "My Husband Is A Game Developer", where the wife stops his husband from working on a mobile game, and achieve world peace or something
thats a boy
I already fed up by the running gag.
Makoto tried her best to be more feminine, okay :")
except that it's like that episode of X-Files where Mulder wishes for world peace and everyone on the planet is gone
At least I think that was X-Files.. fuck if I can remember at this point
looks like a trap, more or less
That is most often considered a derogatory term that you shouldn't use.
I know B75 is not huge by ideal standard :")
we could use more anime drug dealers tbh
nothin to see here mr policey mans, Im just a cute girl with a backpack, no drugs to see here
Side view, if you're not convinced
thats a boy, I can tell by the purple hair
I'm a big fan of the backpack full of drugs in Altered Carbon
speaking of, the animated Altered Carbon is better than season 2 lol
Also, the backstory for Makoto's tomboy demeanours is that her parents wanted to have a son, but ended up having a daughter instead. So they raised her like a boy until she decided to be more feminine and, by her parent's blessings, joined an idol agency.
Although there's a running gag of which she also amassed a lot of fangirls outside of her control, so that's that.
the word you were looking for is androgynous btw
I only know Futanari
lol, I know it too
I'd be hard pressed to find something you could have put in there that wouldn't have been a true statement with regards to Altered Carbon's second season
well, maybe watching people die wouldn't be better
but any actual entertainment media would have been
Anthony Mackie is pretty overrated on a whole tbh
He wasn't the only problem.. not even sure if I'd say the main problem
It's really hard to break down the issues in a pie chart on that one
least the other guy could act half decently as well as look good without a shirt on
Joel Kinnaman killed it I think
when the Marvel movies are the pinnacle of your acting abilities that says alot ๐
And also, yeah... I would murder an... alarming number of strangers to look that good
And that's after he got the metal plate removed from his chest
it was the chemistry with Poe which helped too, the story of the second season was obviously alittle poor but the first one had some issues too
Yeah, it wasn't perfect
suddenly he's this amazing military sleave, not sure that was a good idea
yeah he's the last envoy right, doesnt matter which sleave thats the whole point
It's like saying, "You know... Superman really should get hard into BJJ and maybe some Kung Fu"
I was good. I double-checked the rules before posting something NSFW as fuck.
your mother would be proud
I don't think my mom would care
mine wouldnt either ๐
The end of the clinic scene is on YouTube... which clearly shows what a badass he is. Also what I use to explain why someone should watch it
Cartman is having PTSD over that rule
I mean, yeah, my mom wouldn't care... and I am my boss
Yeah, that's kinda the issue
It's of course meant as a general rule because of the large variety of people here.
bet youre thanking yourself for not posting it now ๐
I expect you to kick back with a cold drink.
As you can see, we can expect these things to affect these other things.
Can we circle back on the next steps for our current brand strategy and outreach opportunities?
And there's a running graph of some things that show some numbers over historical time periods that we can use to project future growth
bitcoin dropped, Ive lost millions pulls hair out
According to Brian Smith, MBA, the recommendations involve designating a corporate synergy center to coordinate communications between our different branches as we move to further vertically integrate
Yes, synergy. Very important. We need that to enhance our verticals and generate more leads next quarter.
Also, our consultancy firm, International Global Worldwide has suggested we move to right-size our in-house public relations department and outsource work to an experienced firm fluent in current trends and guerilla social media marketing.
But hey, Susan Swell over at Digital Enterprises Limited told me that Brian Smith's recommendations rely on iterative approaches to corporate strategy that foster collaborative thinking to further the overall value proposition. We can't organically grow the holistic world view of disruptive innovation via workplace diversity and empowerment unless we leverage agile frameworks to provide a robust synopsis for high level overviews!
Yeah, it's probably unhealthy for us to talk like this for too long.
I was despondently staring through one of my monitors imaging the horror of having to actually say any of those things.
That's pretty terrifying.
Working at a company where those kinds of meetings actually happen sounds like a living nightmare.
I think you take the same approach my friend's father did to jury duty
show up
"I got the shits."
lol
I feel like that part was missing from rands agenda detection
I hate meetings.
Everyone hates them because we've all been to so many that have sucked so badly that we now walk into a conference room, sit down... arms folded, and think, "Ok, how long until this one is going to suck?"
And then it does. Time is wasted. Hot air is created. Silent frustrations
oh man that sounds annoying as all hell


I wonder how difficult it'll be to port projects to UE5
Supposedly not bad.
The idea of having a daily meeting makes me wish I was dead
I kinda want it to be more difficult tbh because that means they would have fixed things ๐
lol
Not a problem until you find out the 30 plugins youre using dont compile with UE5 either
Yeah that's the biggest variable I think, plugins.
mAyBe iF yOu uSEd moNDay .com... It can't be only me getting spammed with those right?
End of 2021 huh?
Fair enough
I've seen it. It's an unsubstantiated claim, so we have no way of knowing.
I have no idea what a monday dot com is
Well lucky you
Then again I never check my mail either
I used to get them a lot as youtube ads
Probably sooner.
Ugh, those YouTube ads.
It looks like a pretty nice project management tool until you see the price. Holy shit.
E3 is less than a month away
E3's relevance is also in question.
I got so tired of its circlejerk algorithm that I unsubscribed from everything and only go there if I'm looking for something absolutely specific
I took a different tac: I turned off my watch history.
its not so much the event but the media
Well it obviously didn't seem to give a shit if it knew I watched it or not.. because it would suggest shit I watched three days ago
My homepage is YouTube barfing at me, but I just go to my subscriptions and Watch Later list, and it's fine.
Yeah YouTube likes to say "Watch it again" a lot on the PS4 app.
all the gaming news media buzz around these things cuz they can get news from a number of different big companies rather than having to chase them round to all their own events
I think they might do something for Geoff Keighley's Summer Game Fest again. It starts June 10 and that's where they revealed UE5 last year.
well thats like 2 days before E3 so same same to me
Ah.
I feel like it's well past E3's time to be taken out behind the wood shop
we have a whole games event here in Aus which PAX is just a part of it. I think most are the same, huge events made up of lots of bits
I forgot about PAX
The big players don't even need it... and the smaller people still get overlooked
its still like that even if you had an event just for Indies, you'd get the well known buzzers taking all the spotlight
it's almost as if the indie category can be split in two, Big indie, and small indie
have you ever seen a reaction like Diablo Immortal or Artifact at E3
welp, maybe theres a reason for that ๐
hype feeds hype, its a train with many carriages
What even defines an indie game anyway?
Obviously overall size of the dev team
But where is the line drawn?
ofcoarse console manufacturers actually have to make games for their platforms to announce at E3.... that helps
You know... Artifact could have been an interesting game... if it was interested in being a game instead of an artificial revenue stream
man.. I've never been so depressed unpacking a shipment of undergarments before
these days I feel like its more like "heres another look at the game we've been teasing for ages" rather than "boom mic drop, heres it is"

least Cyberpunks marketing wasnt as bad as those mobile games which have amazing live action and rendered stuff and never show the game apart from 2 tiny screen shots at the end
We complain about Anthem being a fake game demo but Mobile, its okay mate... money
I bet those mobile game factories are crunching harder than a US breakfast cereal
Fucking anthem
The Cataclysm thing or whatever looked really cool... you compare that to what they put in the game... Jesus
Well, at least my $37 shirt I got with those undergarments as comfy as hell so that takes the edge off the depression a bit
Anthem Cataclysm comparison between E3 Gameplay Reveal and the alpha version showed on Dev stream from May 30 2019
Devstream link:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/432174289
//
Original posted on Reddit and I redid it for youtube
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGame/comments/bvfkdg/the_cataclysm_you_be_the_judge/
it's total dogshit art direction shift too
It used to be simple: indie meant "independent" quite literally, as in you didn't depend on a publisher or similar third party to fund, develop, and publish your game. Now there are "indie" publishers, so all that is thrown out the window.
These days "indie" is more descriptive of a game's general vibe and price point.
And let's not forget whatever the hell you'd call "having a publisher to back you as long as you hit some kickstarter goal"
Right?
Yeah, sort of like "Hey, come play our hipster game instead of another AAA game"
It's a confusing mess at this point.
I don't even bother telling people I'm making an "indie game" these days. I'm just making a game.
Yeah like you said, its more of a description of the general vibe and quality
It does kinda seem like that... "Big budget LCD thing." "Weird shit that most people won't care about"
It's not a useful term anymore unless you're a YouTube entertainer or something. There it still has value because if you say "I play indie games" it sets a pretty clear expectation for the audience.
I think indie is still a good descriptor for how much creative freedom you have
It can be, yes.
Some might think that indie means the devs are more "human"
Right. There's more of a human touch, a smaller team, a more "personal" experience.
As opposed to a multi-million-dollar corporate product.
this day and age of professional indies though its not the same as the garage band era
For sure. Now there are plenty of mid-sized indie studios.
Teams of 10-30 people with multiple games under their belts.
It's funny, these days I enjoy playing indie games more than big budget AAA
Good indie games a trying something new, you will rarely see some interesting idea or concept appear in AAA
I don't play many AAA games either. I do, but they are in the minority.
There's so few of them that interest me.
like AAA devs leaving to form their own studios and getting funding independently, those are what Id consider professional indies. Or indies who care very much about marketing image in a similar way to a AAA studio
RE 8 is an exception, I like that one a lot
I'm interested in playing RE8, too.
I've largely been burned out on games at this point
Just not nearly as much I really care about
I wish I had more time to play the bloody things ๐
The problem with AAA devs going off to their own studios... they take their same broken-ass work experience with them
I need to take a break from competitive shooters lol
Looking for some interesting story driven/exploration game to relax my nerves ๐
Something like Arise or Outer wilds
try Carrion hehe
I picked up Outer Wilds... it'll probably sit in the unplayed category until I forget it exists
oh I've seen that game, look interesting
It's unbelievably good
Play it!!
mmm yes, B72
Subnautica below zero released the other day pretty sure, might give it a try
I really liked Subnautica
Except for the part where you don't realize until far too late that you really just don't need more than one base somewhere
Outer wilds is one of those games that tells you nothing, you are most of it clueless as to what is going on and as you explore and things start to click you get one of those "Oh Shi*!" moments ๐
Also I think I need to come up with a better camera world position processing for the outline material ๐ค
Some puzzles are pretty damn difficult tho
For better and worse, puzzles in games just don't work super well at this point.
They're just wiki difficulty now
Ziggurat 2 baby
I like the more dynamic problem solving... like XCOM "how do I kill absolutely everyone on this turn?"
And what's cool is if you know what's going on, the story behind everything, nothing is stopping you from finishing it in the first 10 minutes of playing
I just find that very intriguing, the solution to beating the game is staring right at you the whole time
The last game I played that made me feel that way was The Witness.
What a great game.
Oh I never got around to playing it
Looks interesting tho
Should probably be on my list to play
I know nothing so that's good ๐
I really want to jump in and say <terrible game here> is fantastic
So... it will Jonathan Blow your mind
Speaking of people who I've vaguely heard of
Did Spy Party ever become like a real game?
Because the concept sounded rather interesting when I first heard about it when I had an Atari 800
โ ๏ธ slap that on my internet plane... another successful chat kill
City pop music always entertain me, even in game dev-ing
what is ...city pop music?
Eastern Asian 80s pop music.
Well known because of its vibe and jazzy musical compositions, evoking false nostalgia among the recent youngins
Yep. Still drawing a blank.
Not familiar with Eastern pop, but around pop is cringe or just annoying (personal opinion).
@small summit what kinda games you interested in making?
@proven swift
Out of curiosity what led you to Unreal for AI/machine learning?
Isn't that largely a Python field?
I have an idea for a kinda third person shooter story game
About hell
Got an idea for a game where you play as a demon trying to overthrow heaven for their obscene laws and unjust treatment of the people of hell
Also as a sort of challenge, I wanna try to make it with zero guns
A shooter without, guns? But projectile weapons of other kinds? Like magic and such?
Sounds like a boomer shooter material to me ๐
See if Dave Oshry / New Blood sold to your idea
Ooc is Uncharted a Boomer shooter to you?
Kinda close to Amid Evil to me
Doom/Heretic/Hexen/Blood/Dusk/Amid Evil combat, but third person
Gotcha
Sounds cool! I think the aesthetic will be a huge part of that game's appeal so I'll be looking forward to seeing your progress. :)
More hack n slash maybe
And stealth
Ill be drawing inspiration from a ton of games
Have you made a game before?
Horizon zero dawn, risk of rain 2, doom eternal to name a few
Nope
I made a cube move in unity and that's legit all my coding experience
I'm pretty good at blender though
I totally recommend that you focus on one specific part of the game you want to work and just iterate it over and over until it feels good :)
That will save me a ton of time with making models
I've made a few small things
And often times the best ones were accidental side effects of dialing in one mechanic until it was fun.
I wanna do some small projects getting to know unity and learning how to make certain mechanics feel good and polished
Oh you're gonna be working in Unity?
Hell no
Then you meant Unreal? Lol
Nah, I initially wanted to learn unity, then unreal but I said f*** it, take off the training wheels and put me on the motorcycle
It's nice actually having starter content
Re: hell fighting heaven, that's basically the "plot" of Monster Train, a deck builder type of thing similar to Slay the Spire
It's less hell vs heaven, and more heaven has hell under it's thumb, go kill god
Basically
I'm a fountain of unhelpful information. Come to me for all your wikipedia light needs
Imagine getting to God and he's just never noticed you as you're approaching heaven all this time and then he just pops you out of existence with a flick of his finger.
I was having to deal with some unity stuff while doing RoR2 modding for some prototyping of crap
In this, god made a sort of "event" where demons can participate for the chance to be let into heaven, and the main character is using that as a way to get to god and overthrow heaven
Just a rough draft rn
You explore the nine rings of hell, and each has its own monarch, they each have their own trial which is a big boss and when you beat all nine you get to go to heaven
!8ball more gin?
@light spruce, :8ball: It is certain.
!8ball what about amphetamines?
@light spruce, :8ball: Ask again later.
You're a dick, Manny. A super dick.
(also, when you get to one of the later rings, you get to visit your gf and bring her a gift)
Her name is Sapphica
I want the Sloth challenge to be secretly passable by never moving.
Lol I haven't even thought of the main character's name, but I've already thought of her gf's name
<insert your own bass guitar riff here>
Does it remind you that you need a sick bass guitar riff?
close enough
I could use a win here
ooh, the ue website started to change, smelling new stuff incoming.
This game is gonna be super inclusive
Because being anything but straight is a sin and blah blah blah
Suggestion: Main character, black trans man dwarf in a wheel chair
Nah she gonna be a chick
Possibly transfem
But that might be making a borderline mini me
Technically what my first Cyberpunk 2077 character was
Love making music, hope you get as much enjoyment from it as I do.
I never did decide on whether it was a good or bad thing that it was completely irrelevant
Fr tho, trans people get like zero representation in media
And when they do, it's usually pretty bad and inaccurate
I can think of generic name like Halley Rosen, or otherworldly name like Clematis nox Seraphim
I wouldn't say zero... but... it's fairly low, yeah
insensitive comment from a place of privilege
Lmao
Honestly I don't care about gender representation. I follow Japanese philosophy of making characters - create them for the sake of it.
And I know a lot less about the trans men side of things because... I'm attracted to women.
"and today, we've brought together this diverse panel of old, white, straight men to talk about LGBT issues"
Although admittedly my game having female lead because of me having a wild idea due to many Isekai themed media mostly have male lead, and cardboard cutout female harem.
Me too, but a lot of my friends are transmasc
"While we're here let's discuss female reproductive rights"
My goal with PAST FUTURE is to have an Isekai anime story where the lead character is female, and you can't have harem relationship.
Thus, I already decided to omit dating mechanics since conceptual design.
I have no problem admitting that I learned a lot because I went, "Wait.. why does this super hot chick have a penis?" And so I did the research. I was aware of intersex conditions from psychology courses, but I didn't know anything about trans stuff.
Honestly, going for gender representation, to me, only stalls the story writing process and hinders creativity process, and makes it less enjoyable outside of North America.
I think creators should do what makes them happy and that people should stop canceling creators for trying interesting narratives
Im not gonna make the story based around sexuality and gender
:) thanks for coming to my Ted Talk
I think what makes Japanese media much more enjoyable, as a non American, is the fact that they create the characters for the sake of the character, not driven by gender / sexuality / racial stuff. And I'd rather follow that way of story writing.
Japanese culture also has no issue with the ideas of crossdressing and such
It's gonna be less "this gay cast go through hell and etc" and more "these sick ass demons go throughout hell and etc" "they're gay" "they are? Nice" and then you go back and look at small details and realize that oh they are gay
I think that people responsible for this concept of "cancelling" people should be punched in the mouth to learn that there are real world consequences for being an insufferable bag of dicks.
Like it's not gonna be (as much as I hate saying this) their whole personality
Why would you hate saying that?
The people who are the most infuriatingly dumb are the people who think that their only defining trait is their sexuality.
It's really difficult to understand where you're placing the anger lol
Because people like to say that a lot when shitting on LGBT people for being proud of who they are
I personally don't care about those LGBT stuff whatever - it's their problem, not mine. I have more important things in my life to think of, than trying to please those people.
Basically, I wanna do LGBT representation right
Also, sorry to say, but I'm going to skip your project @small summit . I first enticed because the initial idea sounds like a boomer shooter to me, a genre that I love. Then the gender stuff came in, and I immediately thought, "Yep, this is not going to be my cup of milk tea."
I feel like the right way to do that is have it come up at some point, have no one care, and then go on with life
Once again, it's not gender and sexuality that's gonna be the center of the game
I guess it's gonna be kind of an easter egg finding out certain character's are gay or whatever
Like how the creators of Celeste made the main character
Don't feel inclined to satisfy me or others with similar mind, your target audience is the one you want to please.
I mean, my target audience is gonna be gamers
I'm sure you know the kind of people I'm talking about there. The "check out how gay I am" kind of people. Because I don't care. Yeah, you're gay. And? Is that it? Do you love building furniture? Do you rescue animals? Are you a fantastic pastry chef? Do you love solo rock climbing? Because all of those are far more interesting and defining.
I don't want people to play my game only because it has representation, but rather because they like the game
My character's will be dynamic, and not only just a sticker saying I'm gay
I get what you're saying and I agree with the sentiment but I think for the sake of rule #1 you might want to reframe the way you're referring to these things. :)
PROTIP: You can't please every person.
do yall play apex legends?
But still, good luck on the project.
Nah, I generally don't play BRs
Nah, I play boomer shooters 
aight
I play Hunt: Showdown
The only BR I play is Fortnite
But that's the closest I get to BR
The heck is a boomer shooter. I keep picturing Left 4 Dead, but just the one special infected.
Doom, Blood, Hexen etc.
i don't want to please everyone, i want to make it so, whether you're gay or straight, you'll have fun with the game
Does that include or exclude Quake, and why?
Maybe the original
That includes Quake.
but also a game that has actually good representation, kinda subtle representation i guess
Because boomer shooters have more open ended fast action gameplay than military shooters.
I'll play Hunt: Showdown or really any game I have with other people.
Boomer shooters don't strive for realism, but power fantasy.
I'll take my chances. I don't discriminate against groups but I'm fully capable of taking issue with individuals who choose to define themselves so narrowly that they disregard all the other things that make them a person instead of just a cardboard cutout.
I don't know, most of the military shooters seem quite past the tipping point of power fantasy.
But military shooters are grounded, still adhering to realistic rules, and terribly linear.
Give me a good Doom WAD and I play through it all weekend.
Just make sure it's Boom-compatible. GZDoom isn't my cup of tea nowadays
i want to have movement similar to doom eternal
plus a little bit of risk of rain 2
Stalker was a bit less power fantasy-ish but I'm not sure where it would rank.
also idk if i want it to be cel shaded
I love stalker
Also, once I finish working on PAST FUTURE alpha demo, I should finish my Doom mapping project for decino
Didn't love stalker that much. Probably because I'm so indecisive that the garbage would start to accumulate a floor of bandits.
Had to start memorizing them to avoid checking their bodies and resetting the clock on their deletion timer... Fun murdered.
There's another amazing game which I love and so many people hate.
since i'm doing all 9 rings of hell, i'll have to do the lust ring, oh boy is that gonna be an experience for some players
but i'll make sure it tickles most pickles
I never played S.T.A.L.K.E.R. but I did play F.E.A.R. which is only related by its U.N.E.C.E.S.S.A.R.Y. acronym periods.
Lmao
I'll put it on my bucket list.
imma go rattle my brain trying to figure out how to make my main character
like, how tf do you make a deer skull mask?!?!?
I played Metro 2033 and Last Light though. (Exodus just... didn't even remotely grab me at the beginning)
Ask the Wendigos
lmao
Stalker was great but did not age well for me...cant play it now. Holding out for 2
gonna go do some blender now, adios muchachos, muchachas, and others
!8ball okay, so what about amphetamines now?
@light spruce, :8ball: Cannot predict now.
By the time I played Stalker I had forgotten games could have small levels AND long loading times.
you mother fucker
!8ball will christians cringe at the thought of my game and tell me i'm going to hell for making it?
@small summit, :8ball: Yes โ definitely.
YES
Reminder about rule #1.
!8ball is @small summit secretly aroused by this prospect?
@light spruce, :8ball: Yes.
LOL
Gotteeem
!8ball Will I get laid in my 30s?
@quasi mantle, :8ball: Better not tell you now.
Flippin eck
that's what you get lmao
!8ball will I get laid in my 30s?
@tough bridge, :8ball: Yes โ definitely.
Nailed it.
Man, if you just want to get laid... it's not that hard
You're wrong, it has to be hard
If you want it to be in any way meaningful... different story
It's hard to find a faithful girl nowadays, let me tell you.
it's hard if you have hatred like them
:concern:
It's easy to find a women, but to have a serious long lasting romantic relationship with them is another kind of struggle.
I already lost count of how many times I've been told homophobic over the internet.
Even though what I'm talking about is my own life and well being.
Rule #1
sorry
"The first time someone calls you a horse, you punch him in the nose. The second time, you call him a jerk. The third time, you might wanna start shopping for a saddle."
That falls apart when you realize it's the rider who shops for the saddle.
No I think that's the point.
It's like saying
If somebody does something that is offensive to you you retaliate.
The second time you know they haven't learned.
So if you return for a third round you're choosing to continue this interaction.
I'm also puzzled that you'd call someone a jerk as an escalation from punching them in the nose. Work on that left hook!
I'll agree there.
The first time someone calls you a horse, neigh. The second time someone calls you a horse, buck. The third time... wait he's dead. You're going to the glue factory.
!8ball Should I prep work for this week's screenshot saturday?
@quasi mantle, :8ball: You may rely on it.
Copy that, manny.
A wise man gets insulted many times, but a violent man only once.
Screenshot saturday in my timezone pretty much happens in Sunday midnight, so I have more time to work on it.
A wise man knows that violence is always in the list of answers, just not always at the top of the list.
Violence is the last resort
because I suck at fist to fist fighting.
There are some cases where it shouldn't be the last resort... because there are situations where time and circumstance won't permit you to exhaust any other potential ones
Ever notice you get told to not use violence when you have the advantage?
That depends on the situation
I just swing my telescope baton if I really had to.
Not enough games have a telescoping baton as a weapon. Or a telescope.
I stick with a mass accelerator
mass accelerator
Your muscles?
Watch Dogs is one example though. It's Aiden Pierce's melee weapon of choice.
It's such a brilliant thematic choice there, too.
Marcus had an eight ball on a rope.
That's a bit droll.
Far more versatile
!8ball Can Marcus' 8-ball answer questions?
@quasi mantle, :8ball: Most likely.
Using a symbol of brutality and oppression to fight brutality and oppression is essentially the theme of Watch Dogs, isn't it? Maybe there's something I don't know about pool.
Meanwhile Watch Dogs Legion uses whatever the character's profession's tool of choice (I think)
I actually didn't played WD Legion. I mean, sure, the concept of playable NPCs are interesting, but I didn't find it intriguing.
Its themes might be more about uprising and class warfare, so that fits as well. Though they'd go a bit too far if a farmer shows up with a hammer and sickle.
I'll stick with my 9x19
Too late, the cliche authoritarian corpo-state has seized all of your firearms with the magic powers of tyranny. However they left you everything else and removed all of the brains from their henchmen to give you a fighting chance.
You guys have real firearms?
I do; I can't speak for anyone else.
I used to possess airsoft guns.
It's fun to use it to make animation references.
That's how I knew how to field strip a Beretta 92 before I had one
Nah, here, actual firearms are illegal to possess for civilians.
And I think it's for a good reason.
Not a debate I'll touch.
You don't have to touch a debate just because a topic comes up. That said, I do want to play guess-the-country because I'm sure GB lets you own shotguns.
Otherwise we would have radicalists mass murdering on people who are against them with the firearms.
I'm not in GB, even though I use British spelling.
Top 3 guesses are: New Zealand, ... New Zealand..., um, Bahamas?
Not even close lol
Goes to show what I know. I'd assume you can own firearms in South Africa and Australia.
Which, as a geography-failing American, leaves me with very few english-speaking countries left.
South Africa has some interesting firearms laws
Because they have some different classifications for ownership
Like being a collector versus being a competition shooter (which you have a limited number of firearms for and you're required to actually participate in competitions as part of it)
I wanna say they have four different licenses
I'm on an island; I carry and my educated opinion doesn't fit with very many people at all.
Im on an island; Im going to make a millenial shooter
Anyone using Office 365 for Business to handle their email?
I too, am on an island
How many island people do we have here anyway?
I've counted three so far
iceland?
england?
Australialand?
Australia does not exist
u touch my tralala ding ding dong
๐ค
https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/nhny4a/looks_like_some_poor_frontend_dev_is_going_to/
nice
I bet its got an airtag under there
XD
fun fact the VR cameras get some flashing light projected from a "camera" of the phone
even if don't aim the VR cameras you can see light bouncing
Epic changed the background website colors to blue
or I'm totally color blind now
Heres one for ya @median wraith
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1777212087672196123/678D04A99ACECA0FB400ED57D18D93E9D7D5F235/
realism ๐
thats source engine ?
that looks like it for sure
Serious Engine
Serius Sam 4 ?
@median wraith this whole apple vs epic makes me think i can just become a lawyer . doin stuff for multibillion corps
what are you doing
do u actually need a law degree for that or u can just start taking payments for legal advice right away?
climbing?
Gerardo just added climbing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyVsY2xK8A4
you are interested in purchasing contact me by email: ue.programmer@gmail.com
he's done some cool stuff with ALS. Got a melee fighting addition coming soon too
Had this truly odd nightmare last night. I was with a group of people and we took an elevator inside a hotel. However when we arrived at the floor, it was an alternate universe which took all your negative traits and turned them into positive ones. So if you were stressed, you became happy. If you were overweight you became the size you were supposed to be. etc. However when you got back to the real world all your negative traits were amplified. However some people didn't want to come back to the real world, so I had to go rescue them.
Is he allowed to sell something that utilises a free product?
maybe. depends on the license.
I guess it's only on the Epic store that would really have any baring.
Gerardo works for Epic and so does the ALS guy which makes me think its ok
ah, well that answers that then ๐
yeah that system isn't good lol
well whatever then
is there a better character locomotion system?
depends what you want it to do I guess
well I want it to do whatever Ubisoft's physical character animations do but we ain't got machine learned systems in yet ๐
I just mean the mantle system
ah
I used to have a mantelpiece.
Why, if we can dismantle something do we not mantle it in the first place?
maybe you scared it
since like 20min ago and still don't know whats going on because the shader info and all is frozen
is it processing in task manager?
the editor no, the shader compilers yeah
yeah might be worth waiting then. Unless its a corrupted shader and its looped on recompile, in which case just force close it and delete some temp files/ddc/etc
hmm looks odd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgg9byUy-V4 me today after not getting any decent sleep in the past 3 months.
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I'm feeling called out. Lerping for mantling is fine, there are tons of other stuff that needs to be done too.
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there is something I don't get
why UDK shaders compiling was so smooth
while it was forward shading and rendering
and UE4 forward rendering rendering mode takes 200 years to compile anything
can someone test something for me
if you paint vertex colors into a world mesh
and then you move that mesh
it lost the colors painted ?
not really, you should really ask the creator, i give legal advice these days ๐
that wil be 5000$
@median wraith UDK was SM3.0 (perhaps moved to SM4.0 at some point) but UE4 is SM5.0 so I guess the iterative compilation requires more work
well the mobile vr was 4.0 and still were slow tbh
well there is the fact the engine wasn't designed for FR so
and all the shaders
thank you man
I've seen more people moving back to deferred rendering for VR these days

