lounge

[zinc matrix]

That's awesome

[humble remnant]

Though at the time it was even 2933

After it was trained enough, with a base clock increase it went smoothly past 3000

Missed a comma there

Technically I'm still running the kit at 2933cl14 but the base clock increase makes it effectively 3000cl14 which is really neat

I wouldn't recommend that for 3000 Ryzen onward tho

[zinc matrix]

what kind of bug happens in games that are common between multi-platform

[humble remnant]

It's just first gen Ryzen min-maxing and generally isn't worth the hassle unless those few % make a difference for you, like engine compiling or video rendering

I'd say the toughest part with multiplatform is licensing

[zinc matrix]

i mean linux and win10

[humble remnant]

Assuming you're using UE4, you should be good to go

[zinc matrix]

for example, if i start the engine of my car, and passing by a mountain it stops working properly, the bug will both platforms?

[humble remnant]

Though I'd run the engine in Vulkan/DX12 modes just to be absolutely sure the graphics look the same

I'd say the highest chance is graphics API differences

Vulkan/OpenGL vs DX12/11

Materials may look jank on the other API you're developing for

Those did however get ironed out last I asked a few peeps so I wouldn't worry about it until testing

[zinc matrix]

so the bit is using Vulkan and that is it?

[humble remnant]

As for this, it'll happen for both platforms in most cases unless you're loading a new material or something that actually differs between those platforms

Pretty much, just run the engine in the other API

If you're on Win10, chance is you're using DX, so run the engine in Vulkan and see how it goes

If anything is jankier than it should be

I'm not sure whether some Nvidia stuff worked cross platform so that's a place I'd look at

Chaos should be mitigating those issues however

Assuming it reaches a stable point at least

Peeps making vehicles in Chaos reported megajank when the frame rate goes below 30

[zinc matrix]

Got me reading https://www.asset-intertech.com/resources/blog/2014/11/memory-training-testing-and-margining/

I'm not really following, but a Redditor said it happens when the PC boots up each time.

The MRC has a goal of “booting at all costs”: that is, it brings the memories up in as efficient a way as possible, finding the “sweet spots” of timing and voltage quickly so that the memories are up and running, and the system can continue booting.

[humble remnant]

There's a reason there's a boot retry option

As in, how many times your PC can restart attempting the config you set it before reverting to default

Those retries can train the memory that way and the amount of retries until successful boot go down with time

Certainly an interesting thing

Of course it won't miraculously make your RAM better, it mostly helps for cases where you push it to the edge of what's possible with it

Just like mine going to cl14

It sure isn't validated for that timing but with enough attempts it goes through

[zinc matrix]

Just such a cool idea.

Hardware adapting/healing.

[craggy shoal]

@nocturne reef

o/

[nocturne reef]

hey man haha

[craggy shoal]

choo doin mate ?

[versed maple]

im a simp for this guy

[broken sigil]

who isn't...

[versed maple]

true

[fallow finch]

This Mr Epic game founder am i right ?

[broken sigil]

yep

And the God himself 😛

[fallow finch]

What is his name ?

Epic Musk 😁

[broken sigil]

lol

tim sweeney

[fallow finch]

Why he dont use discord

[broken sigil]

🤷‍♀️

[fallow finch]

[spark storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3sks_CJoZ0

me when I figured out how arrays work 😄

[cursive crypt]

Lost me on opening the Visual Code, by my time it was just the black terminal and you. Also Hello World got popular much later, my first app was a buggy tic-tac-toe.

[regal pecan]

me every time I've fixed the last syntax error

[versed maple]

i learnt to run before i could crawl, was learning from source code on the fly instead of starting from basics and seeing the patterns

[spark storm]

yeah normally the first step was using @sour hinge off and print stuff in cmd 😄
but it's still a good vid 😄 edit: sorry echo, whoever you are 😄

[cursive crypt]

lmao

[light spruce]

@echo off

[cursive crypt]

Nah... @ECHO OFF

[versed maple]

rd /s /q

[cursive crypt]

... and then a lot of REM ...

[light spruce]

DOS edit... because you really needed to wrap things at 78 columns

[spark storm]

tree /f

[cursive crypt]

load himem.sys, because you want to play that new game

[light spruce]

I'm 100% sure I couldn't make shit work in DOS anymore

[spark storm]

do you know how to create a loop? 😄

[cursive crypt]

lol, me too I guess... there are some compilers tho

[light spruce]

I did my shitty loops in qbasic, son

I never learned to write batch files for shit, oddly enough.

[cursive crypt]

basic was nice, my first lang... then pascal felt weird

[light spruce]

I'm only marginally less terrible at shell scripts now

[cursive crypt]

Just use python really.

[light spruce]

I learned Pascal because the high school lab was too out of date for C

[cursive crypt]

Same 🤔

[light spruce]

are we brothers from another mother?

(also, I don't remember anything of Pascal)

[cursive crypt]

Well... there was this a := b

[light spruce]

I was about to ask... "was the comparitive := instead of ==?"

[cursive crypt]

Comparing... that a hard question now

Really, don't use pascal like languages.

[spark storm]

Did anybody use BlitzBasic? That was my fav language ever 😄

[light spruce]

for assignments, we actually had to print our code out

out of boredom, I started doing dumb things like aligning semicolons

[cursive crypt]

wow... you had printers, ours was just pen work, very ugly ofc

[light spruce]

I bet you even had snow

[cursive crypt]

True.

Writing code by hand and it all starts to go dancing around, taking curves, crawling on the edge of the paper.

[light spruce]

the "computer science" class had far worse equipment than the... man.. hwat did they call it it

the thing where we did "some kind of website shit"

[cursive crypt]

html?

[light spruce]

well, yeah, it was HTML, but I don't remember what dumb name they gave the class

that was when things were straight up HTML... rolling Photoshop 4 with no multiple und

[cursive crypt]

Our school classes sucked, the room was always closed and there was no chance to play games. Had to go to a computer club.

[light spruce]

(I totally put the o at the end of undo, swear to christ)

There were a couple of fancier machines in that class... I took over one that had a CD-ROM and speakers so that I could toss on some tunes.

[cursive crypt]

Oh, yeah, I remember when the X factor of a cd-rom drive was a like a top hardware achievement. Anything above x4 or so was turbo speed.

I think that trend stopped around x50 or so 🤔

[light spruce]

Best day ever was when I brought in my ZIP drive... and someone had poked out the speaker LED and cranked the volume to max... so I was setting it up.. and the physics teacher who somehow wound up in charge of the class was talking....and in the middle of it "CONGRATULATIONS! YOU HAVE A ZIP DRIVE!" and, without skipping a beat while I was freaking out about how loud it was.... he looked over at me and said, "Congratulations."

[ancient hornet]

3060 seems a pretty good card for it's price 🙂

[cursive crypt]

We are talking here for 90's man, wtf is that 30xx something

[ancient hornet]

this is how much I care => .

[cursive crypt]

Zip drive? Never seen one.

[ancient hornet]

😛

[light spruce]

Clint from LGR covered some of the weird "higher than you heard of" CD-ROM drives

You never used an Iomega ZIP drive?

[cursive crypt]

lol, did you melted your discs btw?

When it got stuck rotating the disc and sometimes you press the Open it just flies out cutting heads.

[light spruce]

I had an external one that hooked up to the parallel port

I had a friend that later got an LS120 "super floppy"

that's the thing no one ever heard of

[cursive crypt]

huh... by that time, I never saw external drives.

[light spruce]

I feel like I must be slightly older than you

or maybe more than slightly

[cursive crypt]

It is also a cultural thing, I'm kinda 2nd, 3rd world country.

[light spruce]

Because that was around 1998

[cursive crypt]

Well, that was much after I started playing pc games then

So beginning of 90's my journey started.

[light spruce]

I've basically had a computer almost my entire life

[cursive crypt]

It was kind of luck, expensive one too, to have a computer.

[light spruce]

Well "a" since early 2000s that turned into "at least two"

[cursive crypt]

I remember watching my bro crossing fingers that these big floppy discs with pirated games don't contain a virus. He was praying.

[light spruce]

psh

you didn't get those until you started using 3.5" floppies

Never had one on a 5.25"

[cursive crypt]

Nah, he totally got one on the big ones. He ate a lot of slaps for that, trying to fix the computer for days in a row.

I'm not sure whether we were able to even find a legal game in our country 🤔

[light spruce]

That's when they became more common, I think

Yeah, I certainly have no idea what IBM compatible stuff was like outside of "Norte America"

[cursive crypt]

Well, there were x86 machines around... it was full of illegal and legal computer clubs. It was quite charming, going on the floor of some block, knocking exchanging passwords and playing the top-new games for 1h, paid ofc.

[light spruce]

Yeah... that's pretty weird by my experience

[cursive crypt]

I kinda miss it, there was a sense of community among strangers. Close contact, lol.

[light spruce]

my first computer just for me was a 486 something-or-other when my dad built a Pentium 75

And, from then on, I always had my own machine.

[cursive crypt]

That sounds fine, having own machine back then.

I think I got my first, like... after school.

[light spruce]

Windows 95 running like dog shit was what got me a new machine after that

[cursive crypt]

Your first was Win95?

[light spruce]

I was still running DOS and Win 3.11 until I tossed 95 on it and it was terrible

It was a 486-DX probably 66

[cursive crypt]

Well, it was the first 32-bit one... and the games man... there was no such jump in terms of... everything

[light spruce]

but I've slept at least twice since then

[cursive crypt]

Back then I didn't knew much about CPUs... Just the MHz led display and the Turbo button.

[light spruce]

Played a lot of Mechwarrior II

ha. The turbo button that most people didn't realize made the machine run slower

[cursive crypt]

Really? lol... I'm not sure... the LED was showing say, from 16 to 33

[light spruce]

What a badly named thing that was

Yeah.. the turbo button was for "this machine is too fast to run old, badly written code"

so you'd use that to slow the clock speed for old garbage

[cursive crypt]

Haha... that was totally a thing, true... many games were unplayable, because they were running like on 200 fps or so

[light spruce]

And most people didn't know that's what it did

[regal pecan]

Ironically still a problem today.

[ancient hornet]

what?

[cursive crypt]

Back then there was no such thing as adjusting for the time-delta lol

[regal pecan]

Number of console ports that freak out when you exceed 30-60 fps...

[light spruce]

hm.. tangential use of irony on that one

[cursive crypt]

Well, it was Turbo... just in the opposite direction.

[light spruce]

That one's border line

[ancient hornet]

but the port doesn't let you do that usually

it's only through hacks

[light spruce]

But, yeah... it's usually because physics and/or collision is stepped to 30fps

See also: How the PC version of Dark Souls II made a number of weapons completely unusable.

[cursive crypt]

I think many console emulators have an option to adjust their speed tho 🤔 I used only few back before many years, so can't say much.

[light spruce]

It's not really an emulator problem

[regal pecan]

Though, for an emulator, that's less ironic and more the exact same thing.

[light spruce]

It's when they do a shitty port to Windows

[cursive crypt]

Well, you can always control how fast you interpret the target code...

It is simulator tho

[light spruce]

Because I'm a pedantic son of a bitch, I was giving you border line for the irony....because it's only ironic if the expectation is "people should be better at writing code now than they were back then" ... and... that doesn't seem to be true.

It's the "idiot proof - invent a better idiot" kind of thing... people just have found exciting and new ways to write terrible code

[regal pecan]

I was thinking the expectation was "we wouldn't need a button to adjust performance now that there's a independent hardware clock"

[light spruce]

Yeah, that's why I didn't throw down the gauntlet on "that's not irony!" because that's an example that's definitely subject to some interpretation

[cursive crypt]

Turbo is a marketing trick, you can't sell a machine which has a button to halve its performance. You can sell better a machine which you can push further easy. Just realizing for myself 🙂

[light spruce]

🎵 put on new pants, accidentally shit them, isn't that ironic? 🎵

Yeah, you don't really want to put a "slow some shit down, yo" button on a case

[regal pecan]

It would make a beige box downright unsexy.

[light spruce]

The ones that had that LCD that you mentioned where it displayed the MHz were probably more clear... but I don't know how accurate those things were

[cursive crypt]

Well, I don't know too... Maybe there are some working machines in some deep corner of the world.

[light spruce]

I don't know that they displayed the actual clock versus just toggling between expected values

[cursive crypt]

Afaik, it could be just hard coded switch between to numbers 🙂

[light spruce]

Yeah

It's like how at least up to OS X 10.4 the startup progress bar was completely fabricated

[cursive crypt]

Never used anything like macos/iphone

[regal pecan]

||You don't fake your progress bars?||

[light spruce]

That's why the "spinner" was invented

So you only had to lie once

"We swear it's doing something" versus "We swear it's doing something and it's going to take <wild gesturing> until it's done!"

[cursive crypt]

Ah, it makes sense. These prograss bars were terribly unreliable before years. Nowadays, I see much improvement.

[light spruce]

Before they killed them, the OS X ones were fabricated based on previous startup times

[regal pecan]

Sound product design. The progress bar is not there to inform the user, it's there to soothe the user.

[light spruce]

Some of us (on the more technical side) would rather know

It's just like how when there are spinner things... I know enough to know that I can't trust them

just like how I couldn't trust progress bar/time estimates

I want to know that it's really doing something

[regal pecan]

I barely remember staring at the hard drive light for that kind of info.

[light spruce]

I don't need to know that it's doing some kind of file operation on whatever.dampnuts and it assumes it's going to take another 73 seconds... I would rather know "Hey, I'm doing something with whatever.dampnuts and I don't know how long it's going to take, but there are CPU cycles and IO being dedicated to doing it so it's absolutely not just sitting there doing fuck all until you throw it against the wall"

(I don't know if I even have the HDD access lights hooked up on my servers)

I do on the desktop box. My notebook doesn't have any.

[regal pecan]

Perhaps for good reason, ironically (heh)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vIu8ld68fc

[light spruce]

nonononono

jumping air gaps scares the shit out of me

that's nightmare fuel shit.. and I already had nightmares earlier that I don't remember

though the LED is a little weird since it's usually more auditory-based for those things

[regal pecan]

I think I heard about the LED before hearing about the subsonic ones.

[light spruce]

There's probably some word that's defined as "The more shit you know about something the more terrifying information about it becomes"

There are so many things that fall into that category... like being able to read LCDs by electromagnetic switching.... or doing some kind of heuristics stuff on keyboards to identify who is typing

That's why you should use a bunch of old CRTs (which no one would be scanning for anymore) and use a shitty, old keyboard that you only hunt and peck with one hand on. (the English on that would be weird no matter what)

[regal pecan]

My security strategy is to be of such low value that I only need to be concerned about mass market malware.

[light spruce]

That's where most people will find themselves

[exotic holly]

Hello is the multigpu feature "actually" active in 4.26? , cause I have two NVIDIA RTX cards on NVLINK and im not sure ue4 is utilizing them properly. Is there any console command or something im meant to do to get it working?

[light spruce]

ProTip: Utilize aggressive dick photo wallpaper(s)

My advice on that front would be "burn down nvidia HQ until they stop inventing dumb bullshit"

Because, for what I know, it's just "SLI" but without the bridge hardware, so equally subject to "being a pile of shit and not working properly"

I don't know if the directex multigpu support is still just experimental or not

[cursive crypt]

I think there were was a note about this in the last one-two releases.

True tho, need special support usually.

It is being obsoleted afaik 🤔 except for scientific/mining I guess 🙂

[light spruce]

the future on Windows is definitely in the DX12 explicit multigpu stuff

[cursive crypt]

Been that recently: more hardware, more paralellism.

[light spruce]

but nvidia likes their dogshit proprietary stuff when there are existing standards for things

See also: gsync versus freesync

[cursive crypt]

Does the latest 30xx or amd's 6xxx series even support SLI?

[light spruce]

the 3 series doesn't have SLI

I don't know about crossfire on AMD's cards

[median wraith]

SLI isn't a thing anymore, GPU communicate between them with rays

[regal pecan]

As virtual production techniques evolve, LED volumes are getting larger and larger; to support the higher number of pixels this requires with existing hardware, we’ve leveraged technology such as NVIDIA’s NVLink, enabling data to be transferred between two GPUs at very high speed. This enables any viewport to be rendered on another GPU; for example, one display-facing GPU would render the entire scene while another handles the inner frustum, passing the pixels back to the first one.

[ancient hornet]

come on, I can barely find even one GPU to buy

[light spruce]

it's ... you got it

[ancient hornet]

and you want me to buy two for SLI?

[light spruce]

that's pretty buzzword compliant

Because I don't know what that means

[cursive crypt]

30xx I think don't have 🤔

[regal pecan]

My guess is just that different viewports run on different GPUs, which is... a very tame level of excitement.

[light spruce]

yeah.... that's why that statement doesn't make sense

[cursive crypt]

Ah... it does...

[light spruce]

because "inner frustum" means "you're using one card for most of your rendering"

[light spruce]

but the other one would be.... using about 8% of its capability to render shit outside of the basic frustum?

nvlink isn't exactly equivalent to SLI

it's... imagine hand waving after a lot of drugs and alcohol

[cursive crypt]

Well.. I will summarise them both under the "multi-gpu setup"

[light spruce]

yeah, but still "non-standard"

though that standard itself is still kinda hand-wavy

[cursive crypt]

Well, when they are like... how big is their market share of hyped clients?

They dictate. Hope AMD catches up.

[light spruce]

because the DX12 explicit multigpu stuff is gpu-agnostic

[regal pecan]

It has something to do with the "virtual production toolset", which in turn has to do with filmmaking, so maybe it makes sense, but not for games.

[light spruce]

so, you can use different GPUs for it...including from different manufacturers

[cursive crypt]

You mean nvlink will die too?

[light spruce]

whereas SLI required you to use the same GPU class... so at least two 1070s

short answer: yes. long answer: nvidia will try to drag it along just like gsync

[cursive crypt]

I'm stuck with gsync having an amd card... hope I don't get below 60 😄

[light spruce]

there's no reason you couldn't be using dx12 multigpu shit for gaming ... well... aside from you not rendering with dx12, I guess

it's like how I'm not thrilled about nvidia trying to force some new power connector shit

[cursive crypt]

I also do prefer Open-whatever standard

[light spruce]

though, really, I want them to stop being a pile of shit

but that ship sailed into the sun many moons ago

probably about the same time they stopped having official "beta" drivers

I'm really unclear about what the gsync modules in displays actually do... because those are things that don't exist on mobile displays where gysnc is a thing right across a standard eDP connection

AMD's "FreeSync" is just a marketing term for "updated standard DisplayPort shit"

[regal pecan]

Coincidentally the same as "Gsync compatible"

[fresh heath]

FreeSync predates the DisplayPort update afaik

Kinda like Mantle, which became OpenGL Next, which became Vulkan

[ancient hornet]

doesn't gsync predate all of those anyway too?

[fresh heath]

Yeah, FreeSync was a response to G-Sync

[ancient hornet]

and besides NVidia supports FreeSync monitors on 10xx cards and later now

[light spruce]

I found interesting when they started supporting select "FreeSync" displays

[ancient hornet]

you should be able to override the setting for any monitors, in theory

[median wraith]

whats better to have on a monitor this days ?

FreeSync ?

I'm kinda lost in these topics

[light spruce]

Probably.

[regal pecan]

Every monitor should have FreeSync now.

[light spruce]

Because that stuff is part of modern DisplayPort standards

[regal pecan]

Full Gsync (not just Gsync compatible) is probably on most expensive monitors anyway.

[light spruce]

Gsync requires specific display hardware and apparently breaks every driver and if you sneeze slightly too hard

The real issue is that display tech was hamstrung for years by adhering to certain aspects that were only relevant to analog displays

[foggy path]

GSync has worked flawlessly for me, never had any issues with it as far as I can tell

[ancient hornet]

same

[foggy path]

The only thing is that it's kind of hard to tell when games are actually making use of it

You turn vsync on, is it gsync or regular vsync? Who knows

[ancient hornet]

part of the GSync ecosystem is NVidia making screens more expensive by inserting quality control and the like

[light spruce]

And nvidia went "hey, let's invent some shit we can sell someone" instead of writing two pages of text to get a standards body to go, "You're right; analog displays are dead as shit"

[ancient hornet]

probably more expensive than it should, but that mostly precludes having low quality gsync monitors

games don't even "know" gsync is on usually

unless they do weird timing themselves?

myself I enable gsync in the drivers and vsync in the games

[foggy path]

Yeah I don't really know how it works on the game support level tbh

[median wraith]

oh wow all the RTX GPUs here are refurbished

[light spruce]

I don't have any gsync compatible displays because the...I don't know... six? I have available predate that.

[ancient hornet]

and let them deal with it, which as far as I could tell worked all the time

[median wraith]

so is there any date for when we will have GPUs ?

[regal pecan]

2022

[light spruce]

But I've read about all sorts of weird shit like having to combine gsync with vsync to get it to function

[ancient hornet]

Apple bought nearly all the TSMC manuacturing capabilities for their M1 chips, so not any time soon?

[foggy path]

I bought an Acer Predator 27" gsync compatible monitor when I felt like upgrading to a larger monitor

my other monitors don't have gsync though

[ancient hornet]

yes, I enable vsync in games

and gsync in drivers

and that's all

[cursive crypt]

I think nowadays there is something else than free/g sync... new standard to be compatible for both nvidia and amd

[foggy path]

I thought it was just that Nvidia is now freesync compatible?

[ancient hornet]

freesync works on NVidia now

[light spruce]

I was in a blocking spot.... for a higher res primary display, I needed a better GPU... but to justify the better GPU, I needed a higher res display

[foggy path]

lol

[light spruce]

that double upgrade territory

[foggy path]

I could max out my 1080 Ti at 1080p in some games I'm sure

:P

but I run 1440p now

[regal pecan]

Monitors are probably cheaper because so few gpus are being upgraded.

[light spruce]

my primary display is still 1920x1080... but I had a friend send me his old 1080 with an EVGA hybrid cooler

[foggy path]

"regular" monitors have always been sorta reasonable in price, it's the "gaming" stuff which is steep

the Predator monitor I have was pretty expensive, but it's a high refresh rate IPS panel and those are expensive

[light spruce]

I had been running a 1060 (that apparently destroyed the average 1060s according to whatever benchmark shit came up)

[foggy path]

high refresh rate TN panels are much cheaper

[light spruce]

I'd rather eat vomit than use a TN for a primary

[foggy path]

lol

[cursive crypt]

I no longer can stand anything below 4k :/ spoiled

[foggy path]

yeah IPS is nice for my primary, my other two are TN

I don't think I'll get a 4K monitor unless I get like.. a 32" or something

but then I'm gonna have problems fitting it on my desk with my two other monitors

:P

[light spruce]

Out of the four I have on this box... there's one(1) TN display that's set to portrait, all the way to the right, and Discord is all that's on it

[ancient hornet]

I bought an expensive GSync monitor ages ago

and it'll serve me until it's death!

[light spruce]

shit... what's the other thing...

VA?

[ancient hornet]

since it's a 144Hz 1080p only monitor, it actually makes my GPU upgrades cheaper

[foggy path]

actually these monitor arms that I'm using are supposedly maximum 24" monitors

[ancient hornet]

I have little use for the high high end cards 😄

[foggy path]

but they work fine with 27", their range of motion just gets a little limited :P

[light spruce]

Not IPS but better than TN and has better black levels

I could probably use one of those

I need to get some new display arms... that TN dogshit is using a stand

[cursive crypt]

27" 4k is the best for me. You gotta pump the scaling on windows for desktop work, but for games and whatnot, you can't do better than that as the human eye can't see less than it - say for 1 do 1.5m viewing distance.

[light spruce]

A STAND

[foggy path]

some TN displays are alright though

some of them are better, others worse, in terms of color reproduction and view angles

[light spruce]

I've done and/or do enough image/photography stuff for a TN display to make me want to die more than I already do

[foggy path]

heh

[light spruce]

And that's why I won't buy a new one

[foggy path]

yeah I can imagine for people who do graphics work TN isn't so great since you'd probably prefer more accurate colors

[light spruce]

yep

I probably would even if I didn't... because it's a thing I can see

[foggy path]

lol

I honestly can't tell that much with the TN monitors I have... if I actually moved a window between them and the IPS and compared, sure

[light spruce]

high-level senses... not always great

[foggy path]

but like... I have a twitch stream open on it? Who cares? lol

[light spruce]

Yeah...that's why the TN display I've got connected is relegated to shit I super don't care about

[foggy path]

I have browser, slack and discord open on the other atm

doesn't really matter for those either :D

[light spruce]

I'd actually swap it with an IPS panel I've got on "oh shit, something went wrong" server duty... but that display is not at all happy with sending HDMI stuff to it

[foggy path]

I have an old HP ZR24w which is probably like... 10 years old at this point

IPS panel on that too, sort of a nicer quality monitor just in general

[light spruce]

most of my displays are old as fuck

[foggy path]

I don't think many of my TN panel monitors have lasted 10 years and if they have they tend to develop some strangeness

[normal prism]

I still have a SyncMaster 2693HM, going strong

IPS is way better though, of course

Was one of the first monitors I bought, this one 😄
Maybe even the first 🤔

[light spruce]

my primary is still a Dell U2312HM rev A00

I have (left to right) a U2412M (1920x1200), the U2312HM (1920x1080)... Asus PB278(1440x2560), and fuck if I remember (1080x1920).

If I could cram another graphics card in, I'd be tempted to have even more displays

In an ideal world, a bunch of virtual displays viewed through an HMD would be the business

[regal pecan]

Only if that HMD is weightless.

[light spruce]

the weight wasn't in the bullet point list of problems I had using one

I mean, yeah, being light would be better, don't get me wrong there

it's more that the other issues were so much higher priority

[regal pecan]

Believable.

If we're going for ideal, I'll take direct cortical stimulation.

[light spruce]

first barrier is the requirement of wearing glasses

nononnnnnnnnnoooooononononononojoigkjalgh

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS REAL ANYMORE?

[regal pecan]

I DONT CARE WHAT IS REAL ANYMORE I AM A ROBOT

[light spruce]

I don't need anything making my brain worse than it is already

oh

if you're already a robot

"We'll bang, okay?"

Sidenote: I'm clearly drunk at this point

[regal pecan]

I'm tired. Which is the best time to daydream about being able to use computers while one's eyes are closed.

[light spruce]

I just want to go into low power standby for about fifteen minutes

I basically want 15m worth of anesthesia and then to be back in at full operational capacity

I don't want to dream; I want it to be a light switch.

[cursive crypt]

TIL Microsoft wants to buy Zenimax/Bethesda.

[regal pecan]

Do they need to add bugs to Flight Simulator?

[light spruce]

I don't know why they would do that

[cursive crypt]

Maybe you can shout from the cabin, I dunno

[light spruce]

It's a pretty poor strategic acquisition

[ancient hornet]

why that?

[cursive crypt]

Does not seem poor decision... Look what happened after they bought Minecraft

[light spruce]

I watch The Action Lab occasionally, and all I can see Is "budget Todd Howard"

that's a pretty different story

Minecraft has been a functional game for a long time

[cursive crypt]

Well, to me is just stable company which can be bought.

[ancient hornet]

Bethesda games are VERY functionnal

[light spruce]

I mean... I guess you could buy it and then totally ignore it

And nothing would change

[regal pecan]

The advantage of Minecraft might be... it's friendliness to an age bracket closely associated with education.

[cursive crypt]

Yeah, so they can diversify their portfolio with what Bethesda offers

[regal pecan]

But what is Zenimax famous for.

[light spruce]

There are definitely still a lot of "kids" that are super into Minecraft

[cursive crypt]

Its the top game if I believe some stats I saw the other day

[regal pecan]

Who owns Roblox?

[light spruce]

I know approximately jack shit about Roblox

I just hear about it occasionally

[cursive crypt]

It was incognito word until recently

[light spruce]

I know that if I had kids, I would rather them play Minecraft than a lot of games though

[regal pecan]

It seems to be "the new minecraft", if you think Minecraft is a just a collection of modded servers.

[light spruce]

when I think about modded servers.. I can only think of the comment I saw about Team Fortress 2 which was something to the effect of "Why does every server have to be more modded than a negro's Geo?"

Because you couldn't just play TF2 several years ago

[regal pecan]

That both confuses me and reminds me of Team Fortress 2.

[light spruce]

Seems appropriate then

The most amazing part is that the comment literally said "negro" and not what you'd expect it to say

I think it was actually "more modded up" actually

actually actually actually actually actually (set me on fire)

[regal pecan]

Maybe Apple should buy Roblox. Wouldn't be right for Microsoft to own them both.

[light spruce]

I don't think Apple needs to acquire anything

They're still sitting on a huge pile of cash

[regal pecan]

Hold on. /me searches for that article where Apple is buying two companies every month.

[ancient hornet]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56178792

[light spruce]

There are limited things they could acquire that would be a profit over that pile of cash

[regal pecan]

Stof, you mock me.

[light spruce]

They've bought a number of small companies

[ancient hornet]

well I was looking for that article before you even posted 😄

it was in my browser history filtering by "Apple" and easy to find

[light spruce]

I feel like they were going to or did buy some larger something recently

But... fucked if I know... the past year has been the longest six years of my life and I have no concept of time anymore.. and it wasn't great before that.

(I'm also an alcoholic lunatic)

[median wraith]

well if you get all the companies you don't have competence

its like that worms game where you eat others and get bigger, about all the big companies does that

[light spruce]

Companies merging to just to become larger is definitely fucking absurd

We will create XXX jobs after we fire half the people due to overlapping and/or duplicated positions. And, after all that, it will still be too many people to manage effectively, requiring more and more middle managers that don't know their ass from someone else's ass.

I've been playing Valheim lately.. so I am incapable of typing "or" without wanting to shove an "e" at the end of it

[median wraith]

Well this is like countries the bigger these are the worst to manage

there are companies that get bigger to turn the sub companies in just employees for the big cause and there are others that keep the sub companies as individual cores

for example Epic seems to keep individual companies for individual different purposes, that looks good idea

[light spruce]

a lot of that :individual company" thing has a lot to do with legal horseshit

[ancient hornet]

Apple is one of the rare companies that seems to manage to grow in size and not "lose itself"

[fresh heath]

https://twitter.com/Dasheshka1/status/1365218593080823808

Dasheshka (@Dasheshka1)

ААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААА https://t.co/cYDEBStPUi

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[ancient hornet]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy8qza/amazon-owned-twitch-bans-amazons-union-busting-ads

funnily, this actually has some links to the "big companies are buy and merging everything" discussion

seems a merge isn't always painless 😄

[fathom wadi]

I wish Apple would lose itself, in the desert, and it might save some of the children they send down cobalt mines. But thats enough of that. Think positive... think positive.... hits up praying mantis pose

[fresh heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdkFQ0A8hic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8mf0qDD3Qg

The new release date is March 8th

[ancient hornet]

the fact they are competent at that is the scary part mostly!

[fathom wadi]

well they have only been caught 3 times so far. I wonder if they will "commit to ending child poverty in the supply line" again?

[carmine frigate]

for how huge apple is, i have verry little to do with em

its not like amazon or google

where u cant get around them

think my last apple product went to the recycle station years ago

friend of mine prolly has 20k$ of apple stuff all over his house

ur math checks out

[ancient hornet]

in the US Apple has more than half the smartphone market

[carmine frigate]

they have some good stuff, its usually premium price tho

[ancient hornet]

https://www.pcmag.com/news/smart-tvs-running-google-tv-will-have-a-basic-option

that's good

[carmine frigate]

id love one of those new IPADs

[ancient hornet]

I don't want anything to do with any Apple product

because they push "lock in" on their customers to capture them

I like my freeeedoooom!

[carmine frigate]

yea same, but i tried that pad and its really nice

drawing and stuff

[ancient hornet]

that's why I want EGS to succeed on smartphones 😄

game portability

[cursive crypt]

class FPhone

[carmine frigate]

playgue inc is one of the few games i played on mobile

[cursive crypt]

https://www.sidefx.com/community/houdini-engine-for-unreal-and-unity/

Wow!

[carmine frigate]

i now have to learn houdini? 😦

that program makes my vid card spit flames

[cursive crypt]

Yeah, I wonder... reading.

[fresh heath]

Only the engine, not the actual program...

[cursive crypt]

Yea, just read it. It is the asset "player".

[carmine frigate]

guess ill stick with blender 😛

[cursive crypt]

Blender fan club!

... Still it is move in the right direction 🙂

Their Indie compares as price to the Allegorithmic suite and I think PS suite...

[carmine frigate]

mantaflow aint half bad, could be a bit faster

but compared to render time doesnt matter much

the viewport interaction is nothing like blender or unreal, i had a hard time with that

[median wraith]

Well Blender have now procedural tools

just cannot be edited in real time as Houdini

technically Houdini don't works in realtime but in a pre bake stage can someone confirm that ?

[fresh heath]

February is almost over, there are still no Unreal 5 news 😔

[tulip orbit]

yesterday was +6c, right now is -16c 😦

[zinc matrix]

Hello everyone.

I don't want to be a nuisance here.

anyway ;-;

[zinc matrix]

It will never work in realtime, it's way to heavy for this. Unless you mean realtime 1 FPS per 5 seconds.

[zinc matrix]

What if you take average for last 7 days, will you notice any blip, any difference compared to previous week?

[tulip orbit]

its been pretty nice the last couple days, after a few weeks of much colder temps

[stiff crystal]

@median wraith it doesn't work at runtime if that's what you are asking

realtime is another thing but like, would be fancy to do proc gen levels on client computers

having to wait for 10-15 seconds for level to generate is a non-issue

it doesn't have to happen immediately

of course we all hate loading times..

[pearl compass]

It is all pre-baked. Besides, you need to bake it at package time anyway. PPl who think that "realtime" is coming soon, or that these engines can provide the level of realism they want at "runtime" -- see you in 2040

[median wraith]

yeah I mean more the 0lento case

to generate the world at first

but ty you 3 for the confirmation

[soft night]

so racing in dark who knew right? https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes/status/1365342999450972168?s=20

Mundo Rallyes (@MundoRallyes)

Simplemente BRUTAL. 🙈👌🏻

#WRC #ArcticRallyFinland https://t.co/YbIudnQFhJ

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[thorny dock]

another survey going on in the docs, get in there and help epic improve it!

[cursive crypt]

Aye, there was even an announcement on the #unreal-news channel I think. I even did it twice 😎

[fathom wadi]

What is he driving over? Minature pyramids?

[zinc matrix]

u guys are interest in story of my washing machine fail

he go so fast that smashes my kitchen, and now clothes are like out of bottom of lake 😂

[dim ruin]

whoever decided Excel should use their messed up custom base-26 for column identities is a super asshole

[fresh heath]

https://twitter.com/repi/status/1365256477569667075

Johan Andersson 🦀 (@repi)

great milestone for our Rust GPU & game engine team 🎈🎉🦀no more GLSL/HLSL for us, just Rust for all CPU & GPU code.
awesome work by @khyperia @eddyb_r @viktorzoutman @henrikrydgard @JasperBekkers @fu5ha & the rest of the team

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[fathom wadi]

Interesting news. I looked up what the deal was with that and almost started learning Rust.

[regal pecan]

pfff!

But is one-language-to-rule-them all viable, does rust have a secret sauce, or is it backed by a monopoly that will vanish within a decade?

[tulip orbit]

The only rust I've got is on a bunch of my tools in the garage

[regal pecan]

Why would I raid the ones I don't like?

[tulip orbit]

for glory!

[timber viper]

Anyone has a recommendation for a fast-paced shooter game?

I was going to play CoD BO4 but my network provider has problems with NAT and cant log in (downloaded 175gb for nothing im dying inside)

Looks promising, thanks

[regal pecan]

okayish? I need clarification

[austere glen]

@winged hazel I figure mesh shaders are going to be very very artist friendly still

[winged hazel]

yes, but if anything breaks or god forbid they're too slow or missing some feature then it's gonna be directx guy that fixes it

[violet crypt]

sounds like a feature our company won't really use anywas

[austere glen]

or they hit UDN and bang on Epic's graphics guys, the only guys that exist in the world

It's sad and yet unlocks a lot of opportunity for others(gameplay guys), there are some games with custom graphics still, just not many.

[winged hazel]

a) if they have UDN and b) I don't think they'd get feature requests out of epic like that

[austere glen]

I know graphics guys that don't do graphics anymore, most say the same thing, I started in rendering almost 20 years ago as well

[winged hazel]

someone who does rendering is guaranteed to be able to do gameplay programming

[austere glen]

it's like, Epic is delivering so much usability, it's hard enough to keep up with a game that can use it all

[violet crypt]

we're not changing our gameplay though. just switching so we don't have to keep updating our renderer lol

[austere glen]

yeah but there's just no need to dig deep anymore, you either wait for epic or don't need what they've already done

[winged hazel]

what about high unit counts for instance

you can only get so far w/ niagara

[violet crypt]

we don't really have particles

[winged hazel]

not you, in general

[austere glen]

not a lot of games need it, hence how lacking epic's character movement is and no one 'truly' complains

[violet crypt]

oh 😛

[winged hazel]

looking at it from the other end of things, maybe ppl don't even try making RTS / high unit count games b/c they can't change ue4 enough to suit their needs

which makes you depend on epic and they ain't making RTS that's for certain

[austere glen]

I can see that

[winged hazel]

the forums are full of "can't run more than 50 characters in my game blaaaaaaaaaah!"

only so much you can do w/ anim sharing and such

[austere glen]

I think before u get into 1000s of rendered stuff, you hit the movement stuff

and very little out there helps you with that

[winged hazel]

that's the funny thing though - rendering 1000s of units drains the cpu on dx11 a lot

w/ all the draw calls, frustum culling, lods etc. going on

[violet crypt]

yea movement was an issue for us on one of my former projects rather than rendering

especially since it was networked

[winged hazel]

prior to niagara ue4 hasn't even exposed indirect rendering at all

so if anyone needed that, tough luck

now if you were a rendering engineer... you could've hacked it in in like 3 days

[austere glen]

just saying it's about the need for one these days, lack of need on most fronts vs. other engineers, so ppl stop diving so deep

[winged hazel]

I think that's one of the few things I don't like about ue4, or premade engines in general

people stop thinking, sort of

[austere glen]

I think it's a way better time to be doing this stuff. 20 years ago, you just don't have a shot at doing anything close to AAA

[winged hazel]

it's great that ue4 is fully open source though, at least the possibility is there

[austere glen]

people who would have dove deep in something back then, still dive deep today in other areas

you just get more people onboard doing stuff in general, and that makes it so much better

[winged hazel]

or they get fired like directx guy :)

[violet crypt]

😛

[austere glen]

you guys not gonna make him a gameplay engineer? 😄

[winged hazel]

come on retrain him as a network engineer or something :P

[violet crypt]

our game isn't networked

[winged hazel]

yeah or make him a gameplay programmer

[austere glen]

maybe you should hire him 😄

[winged hazel]

not networked, no particles, wtf are you doin!

:D

[violet crypt]

think of it as real-life single player sports simulation

our graphics are a bit out-dated though (We're using SpeedTree 6)

[sand monolith]

Anybody here owns a 3080 OC colorful GPU? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B95YqkMwcA&ab_channel=GnishInfotech\

can I press the OC button anytime or does it have a procedure b4 pressing it?

[fresh heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2kUQPJEot8

[zinc matrix]

kinda odd that gdc showcase won't have any epic games content 🤔

[foggy path]

Epic Con confirmed?

[zinc matrix]

well showcase is different than actual gdc, but still, you'd think they would put up something for a free online showcase thingy!

I was half expecting ue5 news tbh. july seems waaay to late for a state of unreal talk

Tuesday, March 16 | 9:00am - 10:00am

UNITY FOR ALL 2021: TECH AND CREATOR SHOWCASE (PRESENTED BY UNITY TECHNOLOGIES)

Format: Partner Session

there are plenty of unity content in the showcase

[zinc matrix]

has anyone experimented getting a skinhead every 3-4 months to save money on haircuts

[fresh heath]

The new CEO of Intel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTKkY2kZuEw

He was recruited to Intel from high school

https://godotengine.org/article/why-isnt-godot-ecs-based-game-engine

[fathom wadi]

they should just make the ECS systems a component alongside the inheritance system and really confuse the fuck out of people :p

[zinc matrix]

@zinc matrix u can DIY

[solid aurora]

a typical post where programmer confuses editor ui with code

[zinc matrix]

Reason #21512 to be wary of using Godot for any serious projects

yes, we are slow, but you just don't get it. We want to be slow...

yo

[zinc matrix]

anything new abouzt ue5?

[chilly igloo]

Guys, im starting to wonder. Is there any "interesting" background behind arcose-lab? Because the situations with his unsolvable captcha, and the fact what so many platforms still using this crap push me to thinking about some conspiracies and secret experiments. arcose-lab captcha is not a product, its more look like shit project of non well educated kids.

[solid aurora]

https://blog.jetbrains.com/rscpp/2021/02/26/resharper-cpp-2021-1-eap-2-5/

"a postfix template for Cast, support for the RIGVM_METHOD reflection macro, and initial support for Unreal Engine 5."

soon I guess ]'

[zinc matrix]

lol

@solid aurora great.....

i wonder who made that support and why so early

[normal prism]

Well, if we're going to get our hands on it soon, that's not so early.

[zinc matrix]

not so early, what is it then

[teal kindle]

general take question thing...
"Everything is made up of components" true/false ..?
seems true yea? until u quantum stuff I think..? then u cant split into smaller parts/components right

wait, I forgot my point..../question
something about actors and components... omg brain I hate you

[fresh heath]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/valve-must-hand-over-steam-sales-data-to-apple-court-rules

[fresh heath]

https://twitter.com/crowsx3/status/1365740373289672708

Crows Crows Crows (@crowsx3)

screen space reflections on:

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[zinc matrix]

thoughts?

[red pewter]

Irrefutable

[fluid bloom]

are boolean operations in blender any good?

in 2000s or so everyone was like "don't use booleans in 3ds max, you'll get really shitty edges" and it was true

has that changed at all? 🤔

[ebon onyx]

Unless you're using a CAD program, booleans are the same they always were

[fresh heath]

Blender handles booleans much better these days

Even without any addons

[fluid bloom]

so edges are starting to make sense?

no crazy ngons on planar faces if you cut a window into a wall for example?

ngons are fine, crazy ngons not 😄

like, a single edge connecting the window to the wall edge

that's bad

[outer oasis]

Staff

is it possible I can have streaming perms for right now so I can get some help on a little thing

[fathom wadi]

@fluid bloom my experience is it's just the same as usual. You make the cut, you undo, you try again like it's gonna make a difference, or tweak a setting. Then it still needs cleaning up. I learned to just accept the first cut and clean it up myself. It's quicker 😄 The knife project tool can be exploited to get clean cuts into faces with empty shapes if you are cutting and don't need aligning faces through the cut. Even so, you can build them pretty quick

[zinc matrix]

anyone here had a long-term experience with linux ue?

i got some crashes yesterday and i trying to check again my sanity of going for a long term exclusive penguin game

[dense storm]

#linux is your best bet

[teal kindle]

Sidenote, dunno if it can halp anyone out - "kinda-but-not-rly-fresh" learners end of things
Doing c++ tutorials ReALlY helps shake some understandings into place.
A whole lot of "oh hey" and "oh so that's just.." aaand "o so that's what/where that is" moments. Smilers

[thin storm]

its the first weekend in at least two years I have not worked on my project. man I constantly feel this itching that I should continue working.

[teal kindle]

lol

i took time away for /prioritized wow classic

rusted over completely

feelsgood to chill tho

been going semi hard to derust devskills last few days, launched my snes stuff up for a 6hour grind yesterday, feel a lil guilty notgonnalie

[thin storm]

yeah just not doing anything feels releasing, but also I feel pushed to continue working.

[teal kindle]

I suck at physics, something about inertia and momentum
getting going can be the harder part, once started, continue comes by itself

trying to sound smart and make metaphors here, failing..

[thin storm]

i dont know if we talk about the same thing. lol

[teal kindle]

ur itching to get going, but ur not going.. and if I didnt suck at physics I could describe the movement in physics terms

tldr; kick urself in the butt and get to work.. I guess

[thin storm]

I dont know, I force myself not to do anything but I still feel pushed like there is someone with a whip behind me.

no you dont understand, I work too much. its good not to work.

[teal kindle]

a fear of getting too cozy perhaps?

or nearing a climax in the production of sorts, finishing up a segment perhaps, or a whole project?

[thin storm]

its super hard to describe.

[teal kindle]

just workaholic? lol

[zinc matrix]

personally, I can relate to this and I'd advise taking a break for a bit

if you're losing zeal for it and dreading it, that's probably a sign you're getting fatigued

yes, discipline is important to do it sometimes when you don't feel like it but still

[thin storm]

yeah, you can go crazy mentally if you work too much.

[zinc matrix]

if it's come to the point where you need to vent online about it, I'd say take a break

it's easy to let a hobby or past time become an idol

[teal kindle]

I think it's the zeal no going down thats more of an issue ? happy to do it, just needs to chill to not overwork - yes/no?

[zinc matrix]

from my experience, sometimes a break as long as a week can help

[teal kindle]

yea taking a break does work whiel on break auto as well

[thin storm]

like I dont feel overworked. but at the same time, taking a weekend off, wont hurt.

[teal kindle]

like info sorting and garbage cleaning in the subconscious or something lul

[tulip orbit]

I'm 6 months into my break 😄

[thin storm]

lol

thats the thing. I want to work and think about I do this and that but I force myself not to do anything. because If I fire up the editor. I sit here for the next 10 hours and work on the project.

its so strange.

[teal kindle]

on one hand, nothing wrong with grinding

on the other, dont die dude, get up and move

oh yea and all that IRL stuff too

speaking of grind, time to coffee up and get on it

I kinda wanna rant about Lufia for SNES.. (rpg)
the way it starts you out..
they pop you in with full party, 4 chars, high lvl
all types of abilities - defup antimag speedup, >as aoe<
melee attacks hitting every enemy
dmg spells on aoe
lots of hp and mp

• Its like they added in all the cool things for they wanted for the game and then stripped them away to get progress and scaling after that.
  Start segment area made me think of a prototype level with everything mashed into it.

[bronze axle]

For those of you using NVIDIA cards, I highly recommend steering clear of driver 461.72. It seems to have a widespread issue that causes apps like UE4 to flicker periodically when maximized.

[broken sigil]

Good to know 👍

[bronze axle]

In my case it wasn't just flickering, but weird performance issues in blueprint graphs.

It was driving me crazy.

I reverted to 460.89, which seems to be the most recent stable driver for UE4.

Back to a smooth experience. 😌

[broken sigil]

Weird, wonder if Nvidia is even aware of the issue, it must be happening with some other programs too not just ue4

Good thing I rarely bother to update drivers anyway :laughing:

[bronze axle]

I'm sure they're aware. I found several reports on their forums.

[bronze axle]

I found an awesome visual search engine for finding inspiration. It's like Pinterest but with a smarter recommendation algorithm and no ads.
https://same.energy

[zinc matrix]

is it me or is astroneer really boring... no offence to the devs

its like subnautica but no sense of threat and no story

[regal pecan]

There's a market for casual games. I suspect working together with friends is also important.

[zinc matrix]

I bought it thinking it was a safe bet because it's got good reviews

I got Outer Wilds too and that is also a bit dull imo with no enemies 😭

apart from 1 or 2 but no combat, they are more like environmental hazards

[zinc matrix]

astroneer release version was way better, because it was simpler and more focused

astroneer now is a bit of a mixed bag

I feel it became too "gamey" in the sense that it brought popular mechanics from other games just to have them

[acoustic badge]

ue5

[fluid bloom]

ue6

[zinc matrix]

🤔

[regal pecan]

Didn't specify year.

[zinc matrix]

you take that back!

damn, didn't realize that speculation would be spot on! 😮

[regal pecan]

Is there anything in the EGL that refers to it as Unreal Engine 4 and not just Unreal Engine?

[vivid thicket]

Hey guys, could someone please have a look at my question: #ue4-general message

I'm pulling my hair out here.

[pearl elk]

Fortnite Engine incoming

[fleet mural]

dude I was going nuts these past days, my editor was flickering and then the popups would just open with nothing in them making the editor useless

[normal prism]

461.40 also seems to be fine
(and gives you DLSS support)

[zinc matrix]

sdxxsdcsdlxwskksd

i agree

[median wraith]

I'm on 452 or so

[dense storm]

i pinned that in #ue4-general to downgrade drivers, will update it to reflect a known working version

[pearl elk]

No wonder swapping to an AMD card seemed to fix the flickering 😛

[cursive crypt]

Can confirm

[soft night]

https://twitter.com/RallysupportNL/status/1366002852678815747?s=20

Rallysupport (@RallysupportNL)

The new championship leaders! 👇🎅 #WRC #ArcticRallyFinland https://t.co/DRNldWBSDQ

Twitter · Feb 28, 2021, 12:30 PM

[timber viper]

Do you know any good resources about screen capturing, or any ideas about where can I start? I remember you explained me whole computer-graphics in a summary once, I think I could ask you 😄 I found some repos on github and a curiosity started about this subject

Okay 👌 I'll check it, thanks

[eternal vector]

Hey, I'm trying to use ArCore cloud anchors in UE4.26 but it seems that this version supports arcore v1.16. I tried building the same by following the documentation but it didnt work out for me so can someone suggest a good starting point for Cloud anchors? I'm really new to Unreal Engine so any help would be appreciated.

[zinc matrix]

I made a discord for my game but now I'm paranoid someone might steal my idea lol

[unborn lotus]

Ideas are worthless

Why would anyone pick your idea and decide to spend months or years of their life on it? 😵

[sudden shale]

srsly don't be paranoid

a idea is worthless
what you do with it worth something

(and btw I personally never saw someone steal a video game idea in the indie world AFAIK)

[zinc matrix]

yeah but ideas are the hard part for me

[fresh heath]

Some ideas are more useful than others, but you wouldn't know it unless you spend a lot of time analyzing it or actually implement it

Ideas don't get stolen casually

You have to convince the thief it's worth stealing

[acoustic badge]

wrong speculation made by you

[carmine frigate]

just turn the tables and take some1 else his idea

[zinc matrix]

hahaha lol

I need discord nitro to embed decent gameplay vids anyway

[normal prism]

ShareX has pretty decent compression if you switch to MP4

[zinc matrix]

youtube...

gooogle drive

[humble remnant]

Unless an idea is truly absolutely smashingly groundbreaking, it won't get stolen

[zinc matrix]

the only way for an idea to get stolen is to implement it into a game and be mildly successful at it

if you game is for mobile, your idea gets +5 to likelihood of being stolen

[fresh heath]

Yeah, the mobile games get stolen like crazy

One of the reasons why I don't want to touch that market at all

[zinc matrix]

yeah, any mildly interesting game will be copied by a bigger studio and no one will ever know since mobile games work through heavy marketing

[thorny dock]

I've been dealing with this flicker A LOT lately, here is the underlying cause of the flicker:
#virtual-reality message

Switching (or just toggling) RHI to DX11 has fixed this for me when it was happening frequently. I've seen a lot of similar posts with the new driver, but in my case, it actually removed the flickering problem all together. It's just a combination of hardware and drivers, mostly out of our power

[fathom wadi]

@fresh heath that happened a lot with the Flash dev scene. Wanna know people got around it? Made game templates instead 😄

[median wraith]

COD intro cinematic about a weapon walking is no joke

[median wraith]

I think never had such bad experience playing a multiplayer COD

PC players playing again a full aim assisted console players team

[hasty hinge]

sits down at computer after devving until passing out last night
Alright lets see where I left things last night...

Ah yes..

Excellent

[humble remnant]

I see that horse animset is working as intended

[broken sigil]

I'm still against aim assist in competitive games
It's ok in unranked modes but it shouldn't be enabled in ranked, doesn't require any effort to aim, is someone chose to play competitively on a controller they should be able to aim with it without any assists, I know a few people who do

[humble remnant]

For CoD I feel like some have hardware hacks that enable aim assist on PC

[broken sigil]

Aim tracking, flicks, etc... is a skill you have to learn and train for with m/kb while you get it basically for free with a controller

[median wraith]

I don't play the competitive mode at all, but I'm kinda done with this tbh is the worst experience I ever had, only can play as sniper because they can't be triggered on ranged

Is the worst exp I ever had tbh

there are 2 pc players per each 16 players match

[broken sigil]

I don't play COD but in Apex Legends which I'm currently playing it's really bad, all guns have pretty aggressive recoil but with aim assist there is basically none

[foggy path]

I remember there was a burst rifle in Titanfall 2 which was pretty mediocre on PC but godlike on consoles because of aim assist :D

[broken sigil]

yeah lol
Either separate m/kb and console players or disable aim assist

[median wraith]

I were just trying the weekend for free

[regal pecan]

Aim assist looks disgusting when it's being used, especially since the games that use it are almost always bullet-hose games. (You have a hose that sprays bullets. Point towards enemy.)

[median wraith]

At times I ask myself if should make videos about what learned by modding and playing this kind of games over the years, but that's a double edge sword

[regal pecan]

But at the same time, Half-Life had an aim 'assist' on the easy difficulty that felt awfully fun. It helped that the guns were almost useless to aim anyway.

[median wraith]

Nobody liked COD Ghost, it had the most advanced design of bots I ever seen

[humble remnant]

Half-Life deffo had some of the most inaccurate "basic" weapons in gaming

The SMG was something else if you tried aiming with it

[regal pecan]

You moved very quickly in half-life, so it's all the more fun not having to aim while you ran around like a squirrel on crack.

[humble remnant]

Absolutely

I'm getting tired of iron sights in every game tbh

I miss the days where you just stop moving, look at a dude and click

Not look at dude, right click, stop moving, then click

[regal pecan]

But in most tacticool games you move 'slowly' (but still unrealistically fast) and can't even shoot while sprinting. It's not a good look.

Then again, I haven't played an auto-aim bullet-hose game with a controller.

Either it really is enjoyable enough, or it's superior to making the game responsive enough that you notice the effect of lag compensation.

In all of this I don't know where 'advanced' bots would fit. For games like CoD, human players rely heavily on map awareness to get the drop on victims and to distinguish players from background. I'm not sure how you run ~30ish bots efficiently with those paradigms.

[timber viper]

Tutorials are.. improving??

[regal pecan]

#2 of 83

[median wraith]

Welll in this game the bots get stuck at stairs @regal pecan

Counter Strike used to have a decent bot system

A guy made of gold in steam selling a multiplayer game but only for solo with bots as all the AAA don't care this days

COD Ghost had a bots personality simulation system for multiplayer where each bot had a different playstyle

there were even campers taking spots

[teal kindle]

as you create bots, and how they choose
when you alter the choice system, isn't that in a way, producing personalities?

isnt that what a persona-- "no its a playstyle!"
dangit

[median wraith]

I did a simulation back in the days, each bot get stats randomly generated, so that define the playstyle

acts as the playstyle from players

[teal kindle]

how do we differ a playstyle from a personality tho?

[median wraith]

well a playstyle isn't a personality but a personality can define a playstyle

[teal kindle]

I just had the thought pop in that playstyle fit the slot I was trying to make personality fit (so slot taken), but now Im wondering if both are valid and kinda same

aye Yea feels true

[regal pecan]

Personality doesn't really exist in games, for the most part. You could have bots that express themselves (teabagging, taunts, wasting ammo in frustration) but not just through playing the game as intended.

[teal kindle]

altho, what would you say exists in a personality that does not in a playstyle?
or or - how would a playstyle fall short of filling the role of personality if attempted used in it's place?

"personality is just ur irl playstyle" (verify plz lulul)

[regal pecan]

Name one trait of personality. Now apply the extremes to the same playstyle. What happens?

[median wraith]

I think you defined the games of the last 10 years

🤪

[teal kindle]

lmao ez cheapshot

[median wraith]

But yeah I think we aren't thinking on the same points

[teal kindle]

gets 9/10 😄

[regal pecan]

The last 30 years.

[teal kindle]

wdyoumean?

my brains shortcircuiting on example production

oh wait, nice -> very nice player .. .. I duno, I don't get it

[regal pecan]

E.g. Take a personality trait. Maybe... patience. Can you make a patient camper noticeably different from an impatient camper?

[teal kindle]

ahaa

ok

[median wraith]

a playstyle isn't a single thing, but the conjunction of different bias
its like pretend to describe how different we are because there is a single slider in the life to be from 0.0 to 1.0 that confirm the personality

[teal kindle]

maybe considering base character things like warrior vs ranger vs sorc?
seems they have obvious playstyle differences
doesn't this kinda seem like it would pull on player's personality - even give a feel in game the chars have different personalities due to the playstyles (due to the abilities and technical stuff)

• check to see if Im stuck in a rant

[median wraith]

how many movements have chess ?

[teal kindle]

one for each type of piece? or what do you mean with movements? how many moves may be played throughout all games of chess? many eh? lol

maybe pawn has 3 and horse has 4? pawn may move 1 forward, 2 foward or diagonal yea?
I dunno lol

[median wraith]

plus combos

[teal kindle]

combos? only castling is a combo ye?

the stuff where you move the king and the tower

[median wraith]

go and check the character stats variations in games like Fallout, and how many traits you can have plus the combination of them, you can make a good differentiation system

[teal kindle]

Im not good at chess 😄

[regal pecan]

Speaking of 'advanced' AI. My favorite was seeing Deepmind in Starcraft 2 get beaten in pretty much the same way every super hard AI has ever been beaten: Find a hole in its logic and exploit that to victory.

[teal kindle]

alphastar?

lost?

.. but ... stalkers

[regal pecan]

It lost 1 out of 5 in the big exhibition.

Because the human player made a ball and bluffed his way into the AI's base. The stalker harassment was always 'winning' trade for trade, but there was no estimation of threat.

[teal kindle]

trying to wrap my brain around that without pullin up video lol

but yea thats kinda LeMao

[regal pecan]

It told me that deep learning is just going to be an extension of what we already know, or at least that we won't be any closer to a SkyNet problem.

What benefit could be had from writing down how many times you've refactored a function?

[cursive crypt]

Hot spot

[humble remnant]

Malding a bit but corporate bullshit has basically greyed out half my playlist on Spotify

[teal kindle]

pressing play on a song, it's a yolo move bro

still waiting for someone to get sued for humming tho

[cunning granite]

Is there a good spot in here to ask a python question that is only barely tangentially related to Unreal Engine?

[regal pecan]

Depends how tangentially.

[cunning granite]

Code for an addon for Blender that I will eventually use to make content for UE4.

(Though ironically the code I am writing is likely to be code I wouldn't use as it is a toggleable safemode to make it easier for peeps who don't know what are reasonable values to not mess things up.)

[regal pecan]

I don't think so, if it's just the blender/python. If it involved something directly Unreal, there'd be a channel for that, or #ue4-general at the least.

I wonder if the Unreal forums have a list for related discords.

[cunning granite]

I haven't seen any of those lists. I wouldn't mind one. :p

[stuck bough]

Her: He's probably thinking about another girl
Him:

[stable gull]

lol

[pearl elk]

What if the AI could find a hole in the humans logic and exploit it

Most of these AI things are a joke cuz the AI is on a short leash, we dont like them showing us up 🙂

I would argue it boils down to politics in sports much like it does in human v human competitions

[stable gull]

how useful is meta humans going to be?

[regal pecan]

MetaHuman Creator is a cloud-streamed app that takes real-time digital human creation from weeks or even months to less than an hour
Depends how many character artists you employ.

[pearl elk]

Its just a coincidence my main character looks exactly like Tom Cruise judge, I promise

[stable gull]

o

lol

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/arvid-gif-20112493

[swift flame]

Where would be the best place to commision someone for a plugin for the editor? Specifically, I'm looking for just a small-time plugin, that being "paste at cursor"

which would take whatever's in the clipboard, and do a trace from the camera to the mouse pointer, find a surface, then push it out along the normal by the bounds of the selection

I'd be willing to pay for this sort of thing

[tulip orbit]

That'd be a pretty awesome feature, and quite frankly, should be a part of the editor by default.

[cursive crypt]

#instructions

[ornate geode]

Hello again everyone ! I am very sorry to repost my poll, there was a bug that made the poll broken and people could not finish it so I have redone it. Here's a functionnal version. I will be creating helpful videos in the coming weeks so I try to learn more about the issues you're facing while learning or working in the 3D / Unreal industry. I will be forever thankful If you can help me with 2 minutes of your time. The link is below. Thank you so much !

https://bit.ly/3q40NQs

[deep glen]

https://nee.lv/2021/02/28/How-I-cut-GTA-Online-loading-times-by-70/

[ancient hornet]

I knew it microtransactions were the worst!

[regal pecan]

It only takes 4 minutes to do all of that? I'm impressed.

[fluid bloom]

not sure if sarcasm

😄

[regal pecan]

It's sarcasm, but also sincere.

Also comes from the end user experience of watching the computer freeze for seconds when notepad tries to open a 1MB text file.

...So now I want to know what makes notepad so abominably bad.

[ancient hornet]

typically, it's pretty hard to manage the very notion of "lines" in a text file

so I guess they went at it in a pretty low tech way

keeping the text file buffer in memory and reparsing it when needed to recompute line breaks/counts 😛

in theory

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19322053

ktjfi

Part of the Windows 2000 source code leaked and it included Notepad. I don't think it's changed much since then as it's pretty much a wrapper around the Win32 widget with a few features like changing the font, printing, etc.The only place where I found it where it is publicly "browseable" -> http://www.codeforge.com/article/148667

Hacker News · Mar 6, 2019, 7:46 PM

😛

[regal pecan]

GTA IV: "I can do two billion sscanf calls on a 10MB file and 2 billion hash searches on an incrementally increasing array in 4 minutes, what can you do?"
Notepad: "I made people cry in the 20th century."

[fluid bloom]

I can only imagine what the person who programmed that bit is thinking now

another memory to add onto the pile of things that keep you awake at night

[lament wolf]

this is awesome

[tribal kraken]

For now, please give us your vote on where exactly our stealth sequence should take place!
https://forms.gle/qLGpc6bwrmRXjMG5A

[pearl pewter]

cool blueprint i found

[lucid basin]

Hi guys, hardware question here: Is a AMD Ryzen 7 3700X-RTX 3070 GPU- 64 GB RAM-1TB SSD a good enough machine if i want to work with 4k quality 3d games using quixel etc? Or do i have to have a Ryzen 9 with 16 core processor? Thanks in advance 🙂

[fluid bloom]

should be fine

I have an i7 2600k and it's still adequate 😄

speaking of that.... my position in the 5950X order queue got updated to 15-20!!!!!

[lucid basin]

Thanks, happy to hear that 🙂 Yes, thats exactly my problem as well, cant get a hold of various parts, so that is my best choice at the moment. And if i am choosing the 5950 X i need to buy the RTX 3070 separately at double the price. Really regret that i did not do this a few months back when the price and stock was normal. My plan then was the 3080 with R9

[pearl pewter]

The 64 GB RAM are overpowered, 32 GB is enough by far! The rest looks pretty balanced and yes it should work fine!

[deep glen]

with quixel usage, you'll be hitting 64gb in no time.

[lucid basin]

Ok thanks 🙂

[lucid basin]

Yeah thats what i read, so you think i need more then ?

[deep glen]

not in many cases, but i personally do not regret 64gb

especially with big projects or when running multiple apps at once

[lucid basin]

I only have a certain budget from savings you see, but the market shortage ruined my original plan. Parts are almost doubled in price now

[lucid basin]

Ok, thanks for that 🙂 Going with 64 then i think! Thank you very much for great feedback, really appreciate it!

[unborn lotus]

my 32gb certainly gets full when opening some ue projects 😔

[lucid basin]

Very good to hear, i think i choose 64GB, because i do all the music myself, and thats usually ends up with 120 tracks of heavy plugins before i am able to print every stem out. Thanks for the feedback 🙂

[deep glen]

whats it with kids showing topless abs photos as an avatar on discord these days?

[dense storm]

flexing their abs?

[cursive crypt]

My abs are long gone 🤔

Even a car has abs

[soft night]

cars have wings now

[pearl pewter]

Back to the 64GB.. I have 16 GB and i never even hit that with my ue4 projects..?

Is it just a thing when working with huge textures or what?

Whatt?

Not even 50% for me

[marble iris]

is it me or is there a new feature in the videos of the online course that turns caption on all the time (korean atm which makes no sense since I'm not korean at all oO)

[pearl pewter]

But then that's the thing

Ok get your 64 GB 😒

[fathom wadi]

Can't say I've had issues with 32gb and UE and I've opened some awful projects 😄
It's vram that's getting hammered these days;.

[quiet narwhal]

^^^ I couldnt think of a use for the 3090 when I got my 3080 but now.... VRAM.....

[humble remnant]

But surprisingly it passed the memtest

So I got an 8 GB stick of DDR3 and it looks hella sus

[fathom wadi]

I have an 8mb stick of EDO ram that looks more sus.

[humble remnant]

Was 21 EUR from Aliexpress and I expected something larger

Samsung D-die

Interesting

[marble iris]

well usually under the fancy casing of expensive brands it looks like that

[humble remnant]

I know that, I've worked in a retail that assembled PCs

Though it was short for me and it wasn't those short sticks, but putting on DDR4-2133 was painful with its bare green PCBs

[marble iris]

??? wait you put DDR3 ona DDR4 slot?

[humble remnant]

Nah, just when I was assembling PCs

[marble iris]

ah ok

[humble remnant]

This stick is for a friend of mine and I tested it on my server

Ngl a risky move but it's already running with 12 GB of other Ali RAM so what could go wrong

[marble iris]

well frequency and mismatch can go wrong

[humble remnant]

It ran successfully at 1333 MHz and that's what I needed

[marble iris]

fair enough

[humble remnant]

My other RAM is only 1333 so it won't go furtherr

Memtest passed, pretty good

Might consider upgrading the server down the line with 3 of those

[soft night]

1337 RAM

[median wraith]

did someone tested the FluidNinja realtime ones performance ?

[zinc matrix]

that's cool https://github1s.com/

Shame it's not official GitHub project.

[fallow finch]

Goodday guys does anyone know a website have Refinary or industerial machine models

[humble remnant]

There was once a Factory Environment Collection free on the marketplace, have you checked that out?

Industrial Area Hangar was free at one point too, but that's the one where the creator decided to just not include a part of the assets (the trees specifically) so thread with caution

There's a sort of refinery in one of the screenshots but I can't confirm it's in the final pack

Oh wait

Tomorrow is new free content getting released

[fallow finch]

i will check it now

yes mate i have it i will check it

[humble remnant]

Do check your library if you have "factory", "industrial", "robot", "manufacturing", "machine" further

Construction Site VOL X might have something you could use

[fallow finch]

yes i have Factory Enivronment but havent check for other stuff

i will see because since 2 years or more im adding to my library 😄

[median wraith]

Niagara its like if someone made a middleware tool for particles that a technical artist need to setup for artists tbh

isn't bad but I think it makes it complex for artists

[humble remnant]

It's deffo more complex than it needs to be

I'd prefer having both Cascade and Niagara for the different use cases

[humble remnant]

The thing that's useful in Niagara is custom modules

But it's still a clusterfuck of a system to start learning after using Cascade since UE3

[dense atlas]

I think it just kind of will point you in the general direction atm and you have to refactor into modules. I'm leaving Niagara well alone still, too many particle assets.

[thorny dock]

idk if anyone has played xenoblade chronicles DE on the switch, if nintendo can pack that chip into a mobile VR headset, oculus will really need to defend their market position

[dense atlas]

I had real problems trying to get something like sounds on collision working, think they made that simpler now, would have to try again.

[humble remnant]

I've mostly been using simpler effects and they've done the job for me

The few cases where I used Niagara was for rain particles and an effect that spawns on the surface of meshes

Though to note I was making a simple as hell rain and used cylinder spawning since it makes a lot of sense

Emulates nicely for distance and spawns enough particles on the player for it to look good enough while being cheap

Absolutely takes a lot of time to figure out

I'm not that sure of performance either

There was a nice collision with scene depth that works wonders for making things drip

Oof yeah

For my rain tho I use refraction in translucent and it didn't seem to affect much performance

On my old ass laptop it made the performance from 30 fps to 28 fps for a spawn rate of 1000

And that's with scene depth collision bouncing

For context, the GPU in the laptop was a GT 440 equivalent with 2 GB VRAM and that's about it

It's cool but overly complex for simpler stuff

At least the modularity is hella reusable

It's not even about tutorial, it's more that there's so much that it becomes complex even looking at it

To make a particle system asset you need an emitter asset and if you want any specifics to that emitter asset you need a module asset

So many assets

And more often than not those assets are only used once

So it kinda eliminates the purpose of the system in the first place

[dense atlas]

the system makes way more sense, build a nice flash, use it for explosion, muzzle flash, whatever

epic really needs to supply a big ole pack of assets

or we should be sharing them in a better way, at the moment there's just too much dependency on Cascade assets, even if it does a better job

like the templates we get are and handful, and total hello world

I'm happy to make effects, I don't want to compose emitters at the lowest level often though

I think the most logical course is they totally deprecate Cascade for UE5, and we see more freebies

That would not make for smooth migration though, so I guess that's what's going on with the tool... 🤷‍♂️

I'd actually advocate for like a separate marketplace, more integrated into the editor with easy micro transactions

preview

there's many areas about this I think they can improve

[teal kindle]

any c++ers?
How much time and/or work is done in c++, on a c++ project?
and how much is still done with editor things, and bp things?

• like, is it ever a sorta "pure" c++ thing, that's been setup and calibrated with editor/bp help which then gets moved to c++
  or is it almost always a balance?

might be more for up in #ue4-general but meh, lounging.. saulgood ye

[sage ermine]

Wahoo! UE5 is out eh?

[robust gulch]

What???

Is it on the launcher?

[sage ermine]

https://giphy.com/gifs/creepy-evil-suqg0jRPpDMze

[regal pecan]

Impelement an octree LoD system and SVOGI to your build and you too can have UE5.

[real palm]

it's a balance, always has been

There isn't really an argument for absolutely everything being done in c++

[little vigil]

Who can I ping to help me delete a post in Unpaid-gigs

@turbid spindle

[cursive crypt]

One of the orange dudes - mods. That is if there is nothing prescribed as #instructions or however this works, I haven't used them.

[ancient hornet]

that's because absolutes are usually bad ideas 😛

[zinc matrix]

@regal pecan ue5 isnt svogi tho?

[tidal ivy]

no

[zinc matrix]

ít's ssgi and what else?

[pearl elk]

Its Lumen and Nanite

[zinc matrix]

the technique i mean

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-shia-labeouf-snl-skit-fingers-gif-4860090

[tidal ivy]

ray tracing, over multiple frames

through distance fields, height fields etc

[zinc matrix]

@tidal ivy if we are already at that, could u make a video about that and explain 😛 ull get many clicks

[tidal ivy]

no

[cursive crypt]

The ue5 heat goes on the rise, the one button solution to "make muh game"

[pearl elk]

geometry is virtualised so I wonder how Lumen and Nanite interact

I mean seems abit odd to tout not having to bake lightmaps just to have to bake other maps for lighting instead 😛

[zinc matrix]

wait u have to bake light with lumen?

[pearl elk]

distance fields need to be created somehow, I really cant comment about implementations I havent seen