lounge

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/jakes-td-look-back-wth-what-gif-17277802

[median wraith]

more fired people from other company

how many are so far this year ?

50000 ?

[brittle holly]

@trail ore

[cursive crypt]

Ye, I think even Epic ran through this.

It is an economic downturn these months.

[fleet tangle]

"other company" ?

[cursive crypt]

Other company®

[brittle holly]

https://youtube.com/shorts/enjRz5eNLc8?si=t947beohDhs8MoRs

[median wraith]

another

[cursive crypt]

Another company®

[brittle holly]

No, no no

Another Company™

[fleet tangle]

Which company is what I wanted to know...

[brittle holly]

Another Company Inc.

Or as Glinny would call it, GmbH

[cursive crypt]

Neo, plz

[fleet tangle]

Does she really count?

[cursive crypt]

Gambling Hard?

[brittle holly]

Do I need to spell out what TM is short for? 😀

[cursive crypt]

Tana Montana?

[brittle holly]

T for Trade… 😀

[cursive crypt]

But this means it is an Unregistered trademark.

[fleet tangle]

Trade Montana!

[brittle holly]

Oh, that’s true. I rly should Google this “registration” difference

[cursive crypt]

Thunder Mussel

[brittle holly]

Ok, ig R gives you “statutory protection”

Sounds nasty

[cursive crypt]

tbf, I til that too.

[cursive crypt]

I see it as next level law protection, but this is so country dependant...

[broken sigil]

[cursive crypt]

What is that evolution?

[mossy nexus]

They get a little better with each game?

[cursive crypt]

Better in releasing non-finished games?

Or monetizing on franchise?

Or they put Geralt in 2088 year?

[fleet tangle]

He's fighter cyber monsters.

[cursive crypt]

His cousin's grandson travels to CP era na kicks Arasaka's ass.

[brittle holly]

Basically, sell the rights to make a show with writers that abhor the original script

[carmine frigate]

cyber gwent

[brittle holly]

Cyber Dandelion

https://tenor.com/view/oh-fun-jaskier-the-witcher-sounds-fun-excited-gif-23453269

[cursive crypt]

til Facebook is fined 85k euro daily since august for user data misusage.

You either subscibe to it or you sell your user data to them.

[clear dust]

Modern Warfare 3 campaign early access tomorrow. Anyone else looking forward to it?

[unreal ether]

Not really :P

[clear dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pain-payne-boohoo-gif-20052354

[brittle holly]

I still haven’t bought the last one because the reviews still say it’s in a sorry state performance wise and they want full price for it

I’ve seen it go like 20% off sometimes but not worth it, I’d only be playing it for the campaign

[celest musk]

cyberpunk is absolutely worth it imho (and i wasn't even attracted by the game in the first place)

[clear dust]

Yeah I don't usually stick around long for multiplayer, but I love campaigns in general

[unreal ether]

The multiplayer is permanently ruined imo from microtransactions.

[brittle holly]

Did they fix the perf? Last I checked the recent reviews it was still broken

[unreal ether]

I can't comment on the single player, not kept up with it tbh

[brittle holly]

And basically being a rehash every year

[celest musk]

wait, is this still about CP or MW3? 😄

because i was refering to CP

[unreal ether]

Liked cold war's multiplayer but haven't bought one since

Am still tempted to pick up mw2019

Because that campaign looks good

[brittle holly]

Oh I meant MW whatever version

[celest musk]

welp, then nvm

[unreal ether]

Wait I tell I lie. I am hyped. MW3 is the one Treyarch is contracted to make a zombies mode for right?

[brittle holly]

I mean zombie mode nvr really hooked me

[unreal ether]

Treyarch zombies is always a hit with me

[unreal ether]

Lmk if the campaign is any good btw

The zombies and good campaign combo might sway my opinion

[clear dust]

will do, it has some new twists this time, I hope they are good

[brittle holly]

Is the early access because you pre-purchased ?

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/harald-vikings-gif-19166943

[versed vector]

seems like it's following the 'improves and then regresses again with the next big update' pattern they love sorry I mean MW....

[brittle holly]

Love it

[soft night]

ponkkis yeah

seems on wheel of time

[versed vector]

damn it I got messed up too, I was talking about MW. Cyberpunk idk

[soft night]

Peter Franzen plays Koskela bros on Alan Wake 2

[brittle holly]

I was talking about MW too

I’ve never had issues with CP

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/saying-goodbye-stepin-the-wheel-of-time-emotional-item-saying-farewell-gif-24676235

[brittle holly]

I think by the time I purchased it initially, whatever launch issues they had were already fixed (CP2077 main game that is)

[soft night]

ponkkis I saw this gif here when searched peter franzen

[celest musk]

i think it was mostly roasted in the beginning because the console versions have been total crap

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/alan-wake-2-alan-wake-characters-alan-saga-anderson-gif-3760824084932074114

[brittle holly]

Ah, well now they know how we felt about TLOU on PC , except that’s still not fixed

[celest musk]

TLOU?

now you got to spell it out... 😄

[soft night]

the last of us

https://tenor.com/view/alan-wake-2-ahti-janitor-singing-saga-anderson-gif-869062638475049120

ponkkis there martin suosalo as ahti

[brittle holly]

The last of us

I was really hyped for that game ☹️

[soft night]

one easter egg on the game refes to here https://www.suomihall.org/

[brittle holly]

https://youtube.com/shorts/qDWmArnak18?si=1xJD1J_Uo_6AUYIU
Poor Austin

[unreal ether]

:(

[fleet tangle]

The robot was harassing him? Lol

[brittle holly]

Some people cray cray

[lofty lark]

Film The Robots LA
Idk what else we'd expect from california

[versed vector]

tech bro VC funded fantasy collides with reality

[clear dust]

maybe AI driven cars will eventually learn to road rage

[brittle holly]

Isn’t that the plot of Transformers? 😀

[clear dust]

right, my bad

but I was thinking more along the lines of Teslas driving defensively

[deep glen]

https://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-just-released-haunting-recordings-from-the-solar-system

[brittle holly]

So fake old news? 😀

[scarlet cedar]

bruh

[solemn shore]

Nah fake here's what space sounds like 🤣🤣 https://youtu.be/IUiwh6gKeuk?si=Wu9iK-UQgH0fB1Ww

[clear dust]

cool show

[solemn shore]

Facts

[brittle holly]

I only got to watch it this year but I went through every one of those series

[broken sigil]

80...GB

[brittle holly]

@nova herald https://youtube.com/shorts/ZXA7gZSx4wg?si=nQZGDAfjo8Ax-hf5

[brittle holly]

lol the Epic launcher trolling you again eh

[broken sigil]

😆

Downloading it for the first time so I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt that it is actually 80GB lol

[brittle holly]

Took me a second 😅

Well they don’t have it on Steam ig so I can’t check

Makes sense if Epic is the publisher heh

[broken sigil]

yeah

[pale scarab]

Alan wake not on steam? That's new. I thought big games often appear on steam 😮

[cursive crypt]

Epic does exclusive deals.

[pale scarab]

Boooo epic!

Ty for unreal though 😁

[broken sigil]

🤣
https://youtu.be/F7jB6jfZCJI

[median fog]

Hi All,
This is the first time I'm using wise account.
Have anyone used wise account to receive foreign currency? How do you convert that to your native currency?
Generally how wise account will work?

I'm working as independent contractor, please share your knowledge it would be great help.

[cursive crypt]

I have used that 2-3 years ago, with the converting. I figured it out on the go back then.

[median fog]

I'm confused, can please explain a bit?

[cursive crypt]

I didn't knew what to do, but I opened the website and figured it out.

[median fog]

Okay, Thank you for information.

[median fog]

are you using any different account to get the payment?

[cursive crypt]

Different from what?

Ah, I see wdym. No, last time I used a website which had direct connection to Wise.

[median fog]

Okay, thanks for sharing.

[cursive crypt]

Check on internet, I suppose there is someone who made a guide about it.

[empty dune]

From what I understand, for normal users wise maintains a holding balance of different currencies that you receive and you can convert between these balances for a fee. So in that regard its kinda like paypal, if paypal didn't scam the shit out of people.

However my wise account works a bit differently cause of Indian laws, it does not maintain a holding balance and instead directly converts any foreign currency to INR depending on the exchange rate at the time of receipt. Iirc there are more of these kinds of special cases so check it for the region/country you are in

[median fog]

I'm from India too. How to add our bank details to Wise account to make withdrawal or money transfer. It's my first time so I'm lost.

[empty dune]

That should be handled by the on boarding tutorial when you make the account, iirc it won't even let you activate your account if you don't add your bank account during the setup

Did you make the account yet?

[pure wagon]

HOW

[pure wagon]

bro I know where that is too

[broken sigil]

[pure wagon]

how to stream

[pure wagon]

oh nice

thanks

[broken sigil]

Get in a vc channel and run the command 👌

[median fog]

can we meet in personal chat?

[empty dune]

Hah, happens

[empty dune]

Sure

[pure wagon]

bro

why does it close vs every time I try to stream it

that could have been devastating

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goals-are-beyond-your-understanding-reverse-flash-eobard-thawne-the-flash-gif-16637212

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/twitch-gaming-stream-gif-24732052

https://tenor.com/view/alan-wake-max-payne-gif-15672976911048585685

[turbid spindle]

:question: have you being awaken??
:8ball: Concentrate and ask again.

:question: you are not the sleeper everyone talk about?
:8ball: Don't count on it.

[foggy path]

https://vxtwitter.com/gamefromscratch/status/1719717231376883794

That is certainly a curious move

[median wraith]

Love the people saying BSD isn't open source

[foggy path]

It's another C++ project that uses some bizarre cpp/h file structure, even moreso than ue's public/private split. Is this a common pattern? I don't do much C++

[median wraith]

let me check

the structures I used to love were ID Tech ones

and Cryengine old ones

[foggy path]

https://github.com/GaijinEntertainment/DagorEngine/tree/main this is the repo for it

It looks basically exactly what I thought... almost no comments on anything

[median wraith]

This reminds at start from Urho3D etc

[foggy path]

I think the one group of people who are gonna love this are all the hackers playing Gaijin's games

so it makes me wonder if they're actually planning a new release with a new engine

[median wraith]

seems like they split public and private but in different way, tbh I never liked this, I'm more fan of having the same file types on their dirs, without changing the parent folder

here public seems to be dagorInclude

[foggy path]

Yeah, my UE projects don't use the split either

[median wraith]

I do split on UE, and tend to use the styling they use, not because of me but my sanity as the clients usually claim to use that

even if you give them a reason to have small changes they don't want to

either for plugins as have to follow Epic styling

[foggy path]

Oh have to follow private/public if you want to publish a plugin on the marketplace?

I think I glanced over the docs on that at some point and it mentioned absolutely nothing about code style, I guess it's another one of these "your plugin will just get denied" things that I keep hearing about

[median wraith]

I'm more fan of this root structure and styling

https://github.com/GermanAizek/id-Tech-4/blob/master/neo/renderer/OpenGL/gl_Image.cpp

just adding the fact in other libs etc they use _ for private vars, so I use _Input for the inputs/params in the functions

[median wraith]

yeah

but a lot of people does random things and somehow pass the check

[foggy path]

I never found any value from prefixing... a lot of projects use some for it but I don't really see what the benefit of it is

[median wraith]

don't mix the public vars from private ones

[foggy path]

I don't have public vars to begin with

Most of the time anyway

[median wraith]

worked for some people that in C++ declared some random param in the header say:
float Axis;

Then turns out when you wanted to override a function from the parent, the input is too Axis, and gives compilation error

and then you end changing the input name to overpass the already declared vars used everywere

[foggy path]

InAxis or NewAxis or whatever seems like a fairly simple way to avoid that

[median wraith]

yeah but you start to make all dirty

[foggy path]

I dunno it's just one parameter name lol

[median wraith]

one that turns 10 in no time and keep going

communication issues are the worst for sure

[foggy path]

I very rarely have these kinds of naming conflicts with UE stuff

I'll use prefixes for stuff if the project uses it, I don't really care about it so much, but I just never really saw any real benefit from it since the issues are few and far between and easily worked around

[median wraith]

well, you don't use caps and no caps ?

that's a common in the industry

[foggy path]

I use whatever patterns the project uses, and they're always different between project, language, framework... so you can kinda see again that there's no actual benefit from doing any particular style because otherwise it would've been standardized :D

I even worked in languages which were case-insensitive

[median wraith]

I came from VB

[foggy path]

Yep and SQL also probably the most common nowadays

[median wraith]

My friend from Java see only nightmares when show he the standards of the industry caps etc

Well in that case is fine

[timber viper]

I slept another of those 6 hours of naps

i hate this

[cursive crypt]

You lost me on class idImage

[cursive crypt]

You just slept, not napped.

[timber viper]

My intention was a 30min nap

[median wraith]

Simple yet effective engines @cursive crypt

could be interesting to see the sources of id tech 6 and such to see the evolution

This 4 is kinda a 4.5 or even 5 as is from the remaster or so

[cursive crypt]

o3de uses std

[median wraith]

algebra classes are the worst btw

[cursive crypt]

I will skip "simple", but - yeah, sure.

[median wraith]

I mean, simple if you compare it to monsters like UE etc

But isn't simple as something simple

by 2010 that were kinda complex/complete if you compare to the rest of open source engines

but now the Nvidia GI lib is as big as the whole rendering here or more

Cube engine is the most simple you can find for example for a whole game

and if you go for 2D you can go smaller things really

didn't the devs claim those to be slow ?

mmm

now I don't remember if Cryengine used a custom lib or those

[cursive crypt]

There is still a good subset to select from the default std.

Some containers, type traits, utilities and etc.

[timber viper]

string is definitely not one of those

as it perfectly encapsulates with std sucks

[cursive crypt]

There are too many opinions for wtf is a string.

It is perfectly okay class for certain set of applications.

Bullshit frankly. Even if you want to drop say the vector, it is still pretty much enough for a lot of apps.

[timber viper]

I just know unordered_map is objectively bad

Because I saw college students outperform it

[cursive crypt]

It ain't so good, true.

But if you want just a simple hash map for few files an app, don't bother with 3rd party?

[timber viper]

sure

[cursive crypt]

I think they added the flat map/sets in 23.

I have made that one few times over the year.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pearl elk]

no program should be in C++ 😛

[cursive crypt]

Carbon for life.

[pearl elk]

Whats that? oh its the sound of the NSA wanting their back doors back

[cursive crypt]

The next c++ killer.

On the queue next to all others.

[pearl elk]

is there a language name Serial, then we can have a serial killer

https://tenor.com/view/hackers-hackers-movie-wassup-ninja-cereal-killer-gif-24715655

this single monitor life sucks, had to RMA my new one 😦

[cursive crypt]

I bought a monitor this year. Returned it few times because of issues, then just chose another one.

Similar thing happened with the RAM last year.

QA is down nowadays.

[soft night]

there is language of writer

[pearl elk]

I was happy with the monitor apart from the faded pixels near the middle of the screen

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/alan-wake-2-alan-wake-mr-scratch-cauldron-lake-shocked-gif-18402533481452171902

[pearl elk]

Not good

someone broke me clicker

[soft night]

i had monitor hwat had one red pixel

[pearl elk]

I had one dead pixel before, if you ignored it long enough it went away

I thought this was a smudge on Jayz2cents camera at first, then I tried cleaning my monitor and... sad panda

[cursive crypt]

https://sponsor.ajay.app/

Til

[celest musk]

didn't they also kinda change the popup?

i now see a timer on the right top of the popup after which you can close it and continue with adblocker

oh, for one video only apparently

[pearl elk]

just dont open google play, more popups 😦

[cursive crypt]

https://9to5google.com/2023/11/01/youtube-premium-international-price-increase/

In other news...

More ads, bigger subscription.

[celest musk]

adds audio-only playback for videos

they would save a shitton of bandwidth if they would just make it available to everyone

[pearl elk]

Wont you think of the poor Googles, theyre gonna go broke

also how is it legal that I have to pay for the bandwith their ads use

[celest musk]

$17/month is just way to much for what they offer imho

[cursive crypt]

Read they gonna increase in December. Say from 18 euro to 24.

Merry xmas

[pearl elk]

For now, I might change my mind if they keep this up 😛

[soft night]

sky is unlimited

[pearl elk]

even space ends after awhile, then you got void

[cursive crypt]

Maybe Alphabet needs some cash to fund their LLM. If GPT costs 100k+ per day... Makes sense.

Gotta keep the stonks too.

[pearl elk]

What they dont realise it the hook for YT and streaming in general is that it wasnt network TV, so turning it into network TV is only hurting them in the long run

[median wraith]

for when is ue5.4 planned ?

[soft night]

its on the way

[cursive crypt]

Mons, one aussie wrote they got from 18/month to 33/month.

It is a good offer, don't miss it.

[pearl elk]

I dont need it tbh, I have Amazon, Disney, Netflix, Foxtel and Im gonna get Shudder I rekon 😛

I just watch YT on my PC where I dont get ads

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/take-it-or-leave-it-deal-or-no-deal-final-offer-you-decide-yes-or-no-gif-16058432

[pearl elk]

Thing that really pisses me off is the ones that charge you for rentals ontop of the monthly fee

You used to get some quality content for the monthly price but not now, its like breakfast cereal boxes, smaller and smaller and cost more

Prime is annoying as hell with its recaps, its like I watched the episode 2 minutes ago I dont need a recap

Apparently technology isnt advanced enough to know if I watched the episode recently and whether to show me a recap

Netflix is just as bad, I never watch any sports on there because I watch motorsports on Fox... 98% match, Beckham the movie, really Netflix sigh

"algorithms"

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-cry-crazy-cringe-gif-9469610025253434478

[pearl elk]

Just upsets me because I love entertainment, I think it should be fun, unabrasive and interesting not all this corpo junk

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-mr-waternoose-for-the-good-of-the-company-good-of-the-company-for-the-best-of-the-business-gif-22975410

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-gif-9201232

[median wraith]

for some reason when you hit play on UE5.3 lumen cost x2 as in editor at same view, someone with the same issue ?

[celest musk]

different screen percentage setting?

[median wraith]

mmm let me check

[pearl elk]

I think we should call it luperson for correctness

[median wraith]

resolution percent by PP volumes isn't a thing, so idk how in game will be different, let me check settings

idk what it is

lights cost more than double also, strange

PP is kinda the same

[pearl elk]

is it the same camera?

or did you move it

[median wraith]

nope is the same place

the only change is the default skeleton in scene

and the skeleton is by default there already so

[fleet tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-exactly-the-same-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-they-are-very-similar-they-are-alike-gif-21987439

The camera settings are different.

[pearl elk]

Yeah one has a wider FOV

[fleet tangle]

The camera position is different.

Likely there are settings which aren't affecting the quality but are affecting the rendering time.

Are you using a regular camera or a cine camera?

[median wraith]

okay let me change in editor

[fleet tangle]

Basically, they are not the same.

[median wraith]

let me check

seems like the default camera

there you go fresh placed camera, same thing

let me check

[pearl elk]

Theyre still different 😛

[median wraith]

how they still different ?

is the same camera and same place

[pearl elk]

slightly different FOV and one is rendering a UI

[median wraith]

both are 120

[pearl elk]

just flick side to side in discord, you'll see

[median wraith]

and the one rendering UI have even more FPS

idk whats that is UE5 bug then, because both are set to 120

you can try yourself

[pearl elk]

first one is slightly higher quality as far as I can tell

[median wraith]

far vista edge and top edge near the camera, yeah, for some reason

let me make other project and see

[pearl elk]

it definitely looks like reflection quality is slightly better in the first one, hard to tell with so much white. Maybe try different coloured lights to check the blend quality

[median wraith]

na that's because the moving noise

[pearl elk]

well cmon make the noise the same in both 😛

[median wraith]

but yeah there is light differences too

this is super strange

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/architecture-building-axeldestampa-guggenheim-gif-15011621

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-apple-lisa-lisa-computer-vintage-computer-gif-12208160646994495256

https://tenor.com/view/water-flowing-world-water-day-breakthrough-filtering-water-water-silo-gif-21072180

[median wraith]

almost empty scene same thing

2ms difference on this case

nobody noticed it until now really?

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-crawly-hard-turn-driving-crazy-gif-24666953

[pearl elk]

Nope, no one broke into your place to test UE on your PC so we didnt notice until now 😛

[median wraith]

the whole PC freeze, that's a signal

[pearl elk]

Just wondering if one is running hardware the other is software

[median wraith]

at least now I have the msg

[pearl elk]

Yeah I get that one sometimes too

[median wraith]

TDR ?

seems like the map got corrupted

The PC didn't recover the last time

now at least freezed and came back with that

[median wraith]

Seeems like the FOV issue is across all projects

if you just place the camera, set it and the same on project, they are aprox and not equal ever

[pearl elk]

Whats that disappearing?

[median wraith]

the vr mesh I think

[brittle holly]

@sand oxide how much do you spend on hair dye ? 😀

[pearl elk]

20 litres

[median wraith]

now I don't see difference, is really strange

errr what

I changed my hair 3 times in the same year actually

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hair-gif-23189608

[median wraith]

long hair for the win, always

[fluid bloom]

unless when running through fire

[median wraith]

or working with heavy machinery

[fluid bloom]

lathe accidents aren't nice

[brittle holly]

She’s saying your hair line is receding 🔥

[median wraith]

The hair in that picture actually is 30cm

attached in the back

[brittle holly]

Good for you

[median wraith]

just the sides were cut

before it was full package

never had long hair until 25

and found the joy, then cut it off just before the 30, because all the bad health situation and work and etc

didn't had time to maintain it

[pearl elk]

Now you let it grow long again to regain your strength

[median wraith]

isn't growing as fast as expect but there it goes...

[unborn lotus]

At least you're not balding

[median wraith]

Well from the sides but, that's normal so far

Jason Statham looks better bald than with hair @unborn lotus

just saying

[unborn lotus]

Don't you get like -50 in winter?

That is hardcore

[median wraith]

Btw Lumen can work on DX11 mode ?

don't even know if DX11 still as option there

the nvidia one seems to be locked to 12

[unborn lotus]

🤔🤔🤔

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hidden-i-want-answers-gif-11666212

[pearl elk]

Why did I read that as hairmode

https://tenor.com/view/llama-hair-flow-slow-mo-running-gif-17641305

[median wraith]

so it supports a bigger range of GPUs

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/fantastic-beard-windy-big-beard-huge-beard-good-beard-gif-18137159

[cursive crypt]

Janisku ⬆️

[cursive crypt]

I can't run anything on dx12, it timeouts the GPU.

So only dx11 or Vulkan.

There are few big threads on the forums with ppl with similar problems with dx12.

UE

Other games on dx12, no f given.

Or might be a driver thing, but the result is the same.

Definitely.

[chrome gull]

damn is this any good?

[cursive crypt]

What is that?

[chrome gull]

it's called Copilot

[empty dune]

Git hub copilot?

[cursive crypt]

A, the one built-in win11?

[chrome gull]

I am 98% sure MSFT added it themselves

because I didn't

[empty dune]

Oh the win11 copilot

[cursive crypt]

Shilling their chatbot, what else.

[empty dune]

@broken sigil oi,your area of expertise

[chrome gull]

windows has ads?

never came across any

[empty dune]

Not this discussion again lol

[cursive crypt]

Last time they put ads on their Weather app.

[chrome gull]

ohh

I don't have it installed

I removed all bloatware

[celest musk]

they had funny fullscreen ads which would even overlay any running application 😄

https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-displays-unskippable-full-screen-microsoft-365-trial-ads/

[chrome gull]

fucking hell

what is this obsession with ads

why is it so difficult to understand that no one likes them

we should make all the CEOs watch unskippable ads

for a minute

[cursive crypt]

Business looks at this as necessary evil. Customers complain, but either they pay or they sell their data. No choice here.

[chrome gull]

I mean who doesn't know about Windows

[cursive crypt]

It is similar with the others, like the recent shakedown from Google.

[chrome gull]

What happened with Google?

[cursive crypt]

They are pushing hard everyone to enable Ads on YT and then increased the prices of the subscription.

[chrome gull]

ohhh

yeah

[cursive crypt]

Facebook might become paid too, they are pressed from EU for user data mishandling.

[chrome gull]

thankfully I only use YT for game trailers

so

[cursive crypt]

One less, for now.

I foresee that we will have soon some kind of payment toward Windows.

Whether ads, or sub.

Yeah, we are speculating, but it looks reasonable approach.

They want/need money, so they have to get them somehow.

One option is buy selling your chatbot data.

/kek

Making a profile of GPT users sounds sweet.

I think they are focused more onto polishing the model itself.
Not creating your user profile.

[chrome gull]

copilot just launched lol

no way they are collecting data already

I didn't even agree to an EULA (unless it's implied in Windows already)

[cursive crypt]

It is a matter of a time.

[chrome gull]

I don't care about my data anyway

let them take it because I don't want to fight a losing battle

[cursive crypt]

Everyone as individual, is a drop in the ocean. However, that's what the ocean is made from.

I mean, you don't care, but multiplying that by few hundred thousands is what they want as a profit.

[chrome gull]

in my defence I do whatever I can to remove ads

[cursive crypt]

Ads are consequence of your data.

[chrome gull]

I keep writing myself into blocks so lemme check if Copilot is worth it

what I meant is that they can take my data, I just don't want to see what they do with it

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-hear-you-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-gif-5459122

[chrome gull]

LMAO I can use Copilot to bypass inactivated Windows limits

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-smarter-happen-how-did-this-happen-were-smarter-than-this-gif-15395941

[median wraith]

someone can recommend a good tutorial / course or alikes for Substance Designer? Its for a person that knows the basics

[cursive crypt]

There are few on ArtStation which are a bit more advanced.

Free also.

Which reminds me: f adobe, I'm not buying a sub just for the SD/SP.

[pallid tree]

I remember it being possible to screencast keys for recording tutorials and demos in editor, but I an not able to find it now. Does anyone know about this, am I making this up?

[unborn lotus]

they have the full creative cloud plan with ALL apps, but guess what...doesn't include painter or designer...that's separate

[cursive crypt]

Haven't heard of such, maybe use a standalone app anyway. Say OBS got stuff like this iirc.

[cursive crypt]

Great 💰

[cursive crypt]

We need #nature here.

[fleet tangle]

Double rainbow? Score.

[median wraith]

how dare you

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/right-now-dr-catherine-halsey-natascha-mcelhone-halo-at-this-moment-gif-25705668

[queen isle]

a title i didn't expect

[celest musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NccOOEW1-U

next time with link please

[cursive crypt]

Gosh, that hooded image.

Iirc, Snoop was playing some nft games. Not surprised about the Metaverse topic.

[celest musk]

snoop dog was also Dr Dre was featured in GTA V

[cursive crypt]

w8, that is UE, lmao

[celest musk]

nah it's just the cherry on top of all the vbucks

[queen isle]

i remember this durning nft craze.
must be cool to lose a smooth half million

fortnite classic is tommorow

I should go practice

[celest musk]

https://youtu.be/_NccOOEW1-U?si=7VbPlQojzJl7Uz6N&t=1107 they made a video with UE!? 😄 oh they work on a full movie

"shout out to epic games for giving creators the opportunity to earn cash, that's some g-shit" xD

[cursive crypt]

Well, interesting guests.

That project looks interesting

[celest musk]

is that the thing in vegas which he talked about?

[soft night]

the las vergas spehere

[cursive crypt]

ye, quick search https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H38U2q96OTg

[soft night]

https://www.thespherevegas.com/

[cursive crypt]

35 stores high, $2.5 bn

Impressive.

[celest musk]

that's quite the screen then

[cursive crypt]

screen ball

[soft night]

the led on indoor and outdoor also there is cap between those

there is some icon of the ocean cruise ship https://www.meyerturku.fi/en/ships/icon_of_the_seas.jsp

[cursive crypt]

Starts to play Minecraft

[fleet tangle]

That's a lot bigger than I thought!

[median wraith]

welp

Sub Executive Producer of the Sub Executive producer

[lofty lark]

You'd have to be high, to believe in a "metaverse" and all that other crypto/tech bro nonsense, so I'm not surprised to see Snoop.

[errant raven]

Crypto is all fun and games until we get hit with a sun-based emp. Now everyone's broke

[brittle holly]

I think I saw a vid talking about a guy that had crypto worth millions but he refused to sell and then it came crashing down so he lost all of it

[brittle holly]

Just need a massive solar flare and it’s gg

[errant raven]

That's funny

And that's also funny

What's funnier is all the "scare propaganda" videos on YouTube for solar mass ejections heading towards earth from the sun that will "kill all electronics"

More get posted everytime it doesnt happen on the date stated

[brittle holly]

Well we ran out of Mayan calendar prophecies little over a decade ago so we had to find a new apocalyptic event

[mossy nexus]

Cthulhu. Got to be Cthulhu.

[errant raven]

Cthulu isnt real

It was a horror story made by hp lovecraft

[brittle holly]

I did once, when I first started using it. It basically said “as an LLM I’ve no way of predicting that but if a cataclysmic event were to happen it’d probably something humans were responsible for, like consequences of climate change or war”

Then it went on to say it’s our responsibility to safeguard the earth and our fragile little lives 😀

[errant raven]

I wish I knew lua so I could make some mods for dont starve ROG and Shipwrecked

What game is that

Realistic NES and gamecube

Random part of the union jack

SH = Silent hill ?

[brittle holly]

I know a bit, wasn’t fond of it.

[errant raven]

I can literally just rip the code for one of the bosses already in the game, tweak some things and slap on the new art assets for the mod lol

That's what most of the workshop mods on steam are anyways

[celest musk]

Lua is pretty easy to pick up imho

[errant raven]

Idk what the heck happened but suddenly I get green bubble vfx coming from my chests or player model when I pick up/store monster meat, bat guano, rot, and poop 💀

Been playing the game for years and never seen this, even in this world I just started yesterday. Currently on day 173, and the assumed "methan gas" bubble vfx just started

[unreal ether]

It's just not equals

Same as !=

[cursive crypt]

Could have been =/=

[brittle holly]

Oh nvm , I read that as -= 😅

[timber viper]

Ikr

[brittle holly]

I didn’t know they use the tilde for that

https://youtube.com/shorts/M2QQg3LonfI?si=uEBE3wAlK6wbGZbO

It’s my YouTube algorithm. I haven’t turned my brain into mush with shorts in a while

Tbh tho I’m guilty of getting hangry 😅

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-gif-15943210

Brilliant deduction! 😀

[errant raven]

I just want a Chinese player to make another high quality ds rog+sw mod

Dont starve, reign of giants, shipwrecked

China holds and overwhelmingly large amount of the dont starve playerbase

And they have the most mods posted (assumed because over half the good ones are in Mandarin, while the staples are in english)

[queen isle]

survival games are boring. I will not change my mind

[errant raven]

You are boring

[brittle holly]

it's prly because they're starving...no wait that's North Korea...maybe China too

[brittle holly]

mmmh Subnautica (not expansion!) was ok

[errant raven]

I think it's mostly the art style of the game

[queen isle]

my interests meter is low, I better go eat sometihng before i strave.

[errant raven]

That and some of the items are sellable on steam work shop

And you can farm items, turn them into craft material and make the items that cost money

Basically "free money"

That's only in dont starve together tho, so it doesnt really work for solo dont starve and its dlc expansions

[brittle holly]

I'm playing something called Space Haven right now, again, because I missed it.

pretty neat space survival

lol

[errant raven]

I didnt like the long dark's story mode

It was fun

But, man, did they give you a lot of food

Green hell is superior

Long darks actual survival mode is wayyyyy different

The entire story felt like it was just trying to get you to familiarize the map to make the real game easy

True

The part where you finally get the rifle in the story and have to walk from the hunters cabin to this factory place for medical stuff for him, was a ridiculously long walk

Its basically rural Canadian bushcraft simulator

Is it Canada or Alaska

Its art style is what drew me to it anyways, green hell or dont starve is my go to survival game

I'd say minecraft, but fuck mojang.

[fleet tangle]

Don't Starve was pretty lame.

[errant raven]

You're lame

[fleet tangle]

I remember playing it with a friend who was really into it. I was li ke, "just play this instead, it's 10x better" and we did. And he agreed.

And i've totally forgotten what that other games was.

[errant raven]

Well, obviously dont starve was better

Because you remember it and not the other game

💅

[fleet tangle]

I only remembered about Don't Starve because I just read its name here.

It literally made no impression on me whatsoever.

Probably requires a lot of polish.

[errant raven]

Dont starves dev team collabed with valve and got some items in team fortress 2

[errant raven]

Funnily enough, solo dont starve still needs some polishing

Lots of "bugs"/issues that are frustrating to get, and you get them pretty often

[carmine frigate]

where the bugs eat all ur food and u starve

[errant raven]

Nah, your temperature can randomly fluctuate to freezing or overheating. You take a bit of damage which costs resources to fix

Harvesting crops in a farm plot will crash the game if you have auto equip mod installed and it tries to dig up the crop instead of picking it

[fleet tangle]

Sounds like a fantastic game 👍

[errant raven]

Other than that it's pretty good

Still isnt as bad as escape from tarkov

[brittle holly]

Didn’t they have a don’t starve together ?

[errant raven]

Yeah

That game is more polished than solo dont starve, because it's still heavily played/active and gets new updates

[brittle holly]

Kinda looks like Oxygen Not Included except that’s more static

[errant raven]

They developed that game

They being Klei

[clear dust]

campaign is pretty meh so far. loadout options are kinda cool. I don't know if zombies is available after campaign or if its nov 10 with release.

[unreal ether]

id wager nov 10

bummer about the campaign being meh

did you play MW2?

[errant raven]

Which mw2

[clear dust]

yeah. I'll let you know if my opinion changes on campaign. it's still early

[unreal ether]

the new one

[errant raven]

Theres like 3+ now

[unreal ether]

what was the MW2 campaign like?
the trailer looked interesting

[clear dust]

you expect me to remember that far?

[unreal ether]

it was only like last year :P

[clear dust]

i mean it was a decent story. nothing earthshattering about gameplay, just more cod with a story

[unreal ether]

fairs

probs gonna skip that one then

[clear dust]

I will say a lot of these missions are all or nothing, you start over from the beginning when you die

[unreal ether]

the only thing that's gonna make mw3 worth 200GB is if that zombies is good

[unreal ether]

interesting...

a cod without checkpoints is a new concept to me 😆

[clear dust]

I mean it has some, just a lot less it seems

[median wraith]

ha ha ha ha ha

BO3 and Cold War are the ones I own with the most GB space need

135 and 140GB it seems *

long life baked light

[errant raven]

Again, why are they taking up so much space

[clear dust]

maybe their ricochet anti-cheat is becoming skynet

[errant raven]

That much space for a anticheat that is worse than vac

[median wraith]

Just said why

[errant raven]

Tf is that

[median wraith]

aside from the fact IW Engine can handle unique models packaged by level rather than using shared pak files

so you can have unique content per level taking more space

the level acts as a container

each modern cod map is about 500mb each

some maps take even more than 1GB

and is just Nuketown

some zombie maps are even 4GB alone

a mixed solution could be just probes data, isn't as much data and is a middle point

you don't really need render quality lightmaps tbh

[regal pecan]

They are, but you can replace lightmaps with probes if you're willing to sacrifice shadow penumbra.

[median wraith]

they are mixed but they are using all

so rather than mix baked + baked probes VS realtime + baked probes

second one is 1/100 the size and 60% the quality

You can say for example on The Finals

they use probes

the whole game is 10GB for 3 huge maps

It really depends the quality you need

but tbh for me any game on the Hunt Showdown quality or The Finals is fine

if you want the quality of Mirror Edge 1 is a different topic

[regal pecan]

And the runtime performance. If you have the VRAM, baked is cheap. At least, it was back in DX9. Modern GPUs have so much more shading power...

[median wraith]

Fun fact in UE at least, if you are using mixed baked data you will need the DBuffer and the cost will duplicate

if you use complete realtime light you don't need the buffer

so cost more to have realtime light, but you saved from the buffer base

so the difference this days isn't that big, until then comes the GI at usual 5ms cost

but it depends as always of many things

[regal pecan]

MW2/22 seems like a waste of baked lighting. It's not heavily bounced like Mirror's Edge and the resolution is acceptable but uninspiring.
I wonder what the space cost of caching shadow maps would be.

[scarlet cedar]

My second ups in 9 months just failed. Why does the universe hate me

[regal pecan]

Sounds like your power grid hates you more.

[scarlet cedar]

Ye but shouldn't the ups be able to not die because of a power outage?

[solemn shore]

Depends heavily on the brand when I worked in the call center at my current job I basically told people to always keep their warranty because these fail a LOT

[regal pecan]

This is why you should randomly unplug your UPS - to put it in its place and remind it of the order of things. And also to make sure it works when you need it.

[solemn shore]

Sometimes if it fails you can fix it by unplugging it holding the power button for a minute to discharge any static and then plug it back in it may need a recharge after that but hey it'll sometimes work

[scarlet cedar]

The entire purpose of me buying it was to stop my server being suddenly powered off. Looks like I just wasted money even buying one

[solemn shore]

What's the brand?

[scarlet cedar]

eaton

[regal pecan]

And model.

[scarlet cedar]

5s1600 i think

[regal pecan]

(Then again, not sure why we're asking.)

[scarlet cedar]

bought it just over a month ago

[broken sigil]

https://youtu.be/SLEBlJ9DTAI

[errant raven]

The president of Indonesia is a Certified BadAss

He loves heavy metal

[regal pecan]

Steak is apparently a salad, so I guess raw baby mice counts too.

[broken sigil]

ngl watched this for longer than I want to admit lol
https://youtu.be/wEX1_NYoPls

[versed vector]

very patient and at peace with the whole thing

[broken sigil]

I want one 😆

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sTezq-GOTY4

😆

[versed vector]

I have a few groundhogs in the area (not clear what the difference between a marmot and groundhog is exactly but they appear somewhat similar) but these wild ones are skittish and don't want to hang out when I'm outside 😕

[pale scarab]

hi sorry i need some english help, what do you call that map that shows the elevation?

[broken sigil]

topographic map ||I think||

[pale scarab]

tHANK you!

[scarlet cedar]

what about a map that shows escalation?

[regal pecan]

Most of the time a bar graph would suffice

Unless it's a map of escalators.

[cursive crypt]

Hmm... so Xbox shows ads of COD.

[regal pecan]

Now there's a rumor Bungie's game Marathon underperformed in its focus tests. It was with Escape from Tarkov streamers so that may mean little, but you'd think they'd be happy with anything that lacks cheaters. Or is that the reverse.

[pale scarab]

hi guys

the brand, the colors and all that are irrelevant right? when it comes to RAM

trying to buy RAM but.. yea 😅

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-pokeball-cute-container-gif-5934128

[cursive crypt]

Less colors, the better usually.

[pale scarab]

so i guess its the first one then. Crucial pro haha. ok thanks!!

[cursive crypt]

no, lol

All things near equal.

It is just a general remark toward the 'gaming industry' flashy bullshit

[soft night]

some seems for laptop more

[pale scarab]

ohh hahah okok thanks. I just realize the first one is 32 gb

didnt realize now RAM can reach 64 gb. i go for that instead

[cursive crypt]

2x32 GiB + everything above (hmm what was the default MB..) say 3200MHz should be good enough.

There are things like timings too, but that details (hopefully).

Also #hardware

[soft night]

yeah the kinston fury even look sodimm

[cursive crypt]

Don't forget to run hard RAM tests on it. I found mine was faulty weeks down the road.

The effect was, the PC was waking up spuriosly, or not able to boot sometimes.

[median wraith]

so a thunder just broke all the city internet

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-kermit-the-frog-kermit-dancing-fun-gif-16613860

i have never listened a bigger thunder ever tbh, sound like a bomb with replica

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/pulse-wave-sonic-gif-21917725

[deep glen]

https://akari.lusion.co/#pong

https://gyazo.com/10a3c93bf5d782079cdab5be276476eb.gif

[cursive crypt]

pong 50 y later ^

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/tetris-effect-ps4-vr-gaming-psvr-gif-11955627

[celest musk]

inb4 laura recommends some microsoft service 😄

nvm, github is a microsoft service actually 😄

so since github supports it, and laura said to get a service which supports it, she actually recommended a microsoft service after all

so my assumption wasn't that wrong

it's just the windows/linux war between us, but with super soakers

[cursive crypt]

Saw recently one of few good news as of late, windows usage goes down.

... have to check on that.

Hmm... the Apple's worm is kinda growing.

It also shows same Linux users are still using it.

[river sable]

the growing green bars are people using DOS in minecraft?

[maiden orbit]

sheesh, nanite is alot more expensive in performance on my end...

with a plain empty landscape, its just a bit bad

but with foliage, its a nightmare

now I see very little reason to use nanite :))

[cursive crypt]

Thought ChromeOS is for TVs or something.

[timber viper]

Sadly its not

Its for chromebooks too

Imagine your os being a glorified cloud app manager

[cursive crypt]

That graph is for desktops, dunno whether laptops are counted.

[celest musk]

it's a oneway ticket to hell

[timber viper]

Chromeos is most secure os they say

Its able to sandbox each process and has some god tier ransomware protection

[celest musk]

isn't it all kinda webapps?

so a chrome browser running those should give you the same kind of security

since it also sandboxes everything by default

[brittle holly]

lol, SBF millionaire before 30, found guilty on all counts and awaiting sentencing by 31

Sometimes the system works, if you’re inexperienced enough to hide your tracks ig 😀

[celest musk]

what's SBF?

[brittle holly]

Crypto boy genius, FTX

[celest musk]

oh i see

[cursive crypt]

Forbes' 30 under 30 is a magazine for rich and young scammers. Someone said majority of the ppl interviewed for them went in jail.

[brittle holly]

Yeah I’ve seen that article I think hehe

Be nice if they got Robert from ScamCitizen too

[timber viper]

Ye but this is on OS level on chromeos i guess

[celest musk]

so linux

ok

[brittle holly]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-annoyed-face-gif-18341274

[celest musk]

the discord linux memes in the gif section are nice

laura you could use them more often xD

[brittle holly]

Maybe it’s one of those images with code embedded in the pixels

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/resistance-is-futile-borg-star-trek-3d-gifs-artist-resistors-gif-17670702

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-gif-22205672

[zinc matrix]

Looking for content to listen to while I work. Any unreal engine related content you guys like to put on in the background ?

[tulip orbit]

https://youtu.be/Haut9Ek7GpE

[cursive crypt]

Such a waste of cloud space.

[brittle holly]

The first scream was better

[tulip orbit]

yeah it gets a little repetitive after that

I agree

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-crashing-in-sleeping-now-sleep-need-sleep-gif-11549081

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-ancient-gods-gif-20986434

https://tenor.com/view/tamade-chiyu-chu2-bang-dream-bandori-anime-gif-25088087

[cursive crypt]

I can't work while something non-musical is playing around. It will need probably 20 times to replay in order for something to sink in.

[soft night]

closed on sundays play some lo-fi

https://tenor.com/view/lofi-ahsoka-ahsoka-tano-gif-24738038

[cursive crypt]

I prefer other styles, but - yeah, nice background. Not something to steal so much of your brain power.

[median wraith]

Epic don't made any change the to GPU Lightmass since 4.27 it seems 😿

[cursive crypt]

Wasn't it left to the community? 🤔

[median wraith]

that was at the first, the community made it and then Epic made it for UE

I don't think the community improved it ?

[cursive crypt]

[soft night]

or webgl approach right

[brittle holly]

The social network soundtrack has a few decent tracks too

[median wraith]

there is this https://github.com/jimshalo10/GPULightmass-5-3-1-BIN-patch#about-this-luoshuangs-gpu-lightmass-lgpu-53-1-patch-for-unreal-engine-531-epic-binary
https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/luoshuangs-gpulightmass/109474/2471

[soft night]

alan wake 2 chaptershons have good too

[cursive crypt]

What does this mean? They will add it?

[median wraith]

this is a real old project

is community based and non related with Epic one, it was made before Epic one

dik if this have any difference at all

the best way is to try, let me check

I was trying today the different methods for realtime light, seems like no one still is capable of get this looking at decent frames, untested lumen as is UE5

So this is a mixed realtime light but using baked probes only for sky occlusion

@broken sigil from the last day conversation, were playing with Nvidia GI, have a big issues at blending between volumes

and you can tell even on The Finals after all their finetunning

[brittle holly]

I guess they didn’t Finalize it, eh?

[median wraith]

sure they did

just they have to play with the limitations

on the tests the Nvidia GI cost half of Lumen in default settings

quality is good overall if you have a decent grid

you can spot the edge blends and the issues of using box shaped areas

but it works overall

at first glace it looks awesome

Yeah the game overall looks nice, just spotting the issues to let you see what can happen

I didn't even noticed it until I tried myself the plugin

just updating myself after so much time without update on this topics

[broken sigil]

Hmm I have to find some time to mess with it myself

[median wraith]

yeah the creator makes OW alike maps

This about 9ms on Nvidia GI and 6ms on semi baked

20ms after port to UE5 Lumen Software GI + RF

on my way to optimize

14ms

Looks better ob

10ms if you reduce the settings

loks kinda the same tbh

[versed vector]

rtxgi isn't doing the same amount of 'work' though out of the box, so these are not directly comparable performance metrics

DXR, no rtx support required

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-celebration-tatooine-gif-9869833812572761254

[median wraith]

It needs DX12

don't need to be a RTX

can run on 970 GTX technically

Managed to get the overall vista to 7ms +-

but unsure because the GPU profiler says 1ms less than the GPU Visualizer and the FPS Stat says 1ms more than GPU profiler

with reflections on SSR

[median wraith]

technically is different yeah, but if you compare both only on coloration and occlusion is kinda there (without reflections)

So the lower quality of lumen and shadows + no Lumen reflections is kinda there

note there is a shadows quality downfall from the other one

but yeah this have better quality and is easier to setup than Nvidia solution

[versed vector]

yeah does look pretty good really and I appreciate the comparison shots. Would definitely be nice to have the scalability of rtxgi with lumen

[median wraith]

well isn't much scalability at all tbh

[versed vector]

I mean in terms of frametime costs to produce a roughly similar result (or 'good enough' result in a given situation) with rtxgi in comparison to lumen. Scalability wasn't really the right term

[median wraith]

oh yeah, true

but one is total dynamic and the other is manually placed

seems like the 70% is the quality point for TAAU and performance you can go down to 60%

[versed vector]

agreed, ~60 isn't too bad but around 70 cleans things up a good bit

[unborn lotus]

Still too long

Alan wake uses 18gb of vram at 4k +path tracing 😬

[median wraith]

how cool, my 3070 TI don't even have 8

[lofty lark]

Any of y'all got 3D printer recommendations/anti-recommendations/advice? Looking to get my dad one for christmas but I don't know squat about 'em. Usage would probably be sparse - probably only a couple times a month after the honeymoon phase of a new toy lol.

[unborn lotus]

Yes, at 720p and cinematic 24fps 😅

[unborn lotus]

And my 3080 ti has 12 🥲

[versed vector]

more like 5 or less FPS @720 since the 960 doesn't have mesh shaders

[unborn lotus]

Oh yeah

[versed vector]

5 might have been a bit of an exaggeration but yeah, performance tanks without mesh shaders

[unborn lotus]

I had a 970 once, it was great until it stopped working

[queen isle]

hmm i think i seen this before

[versed vector]

those head to body proportions might be a bit much

[brittle holly]

@trail ore made another TikTok! 😛

Yeah, def a sub on that one 😀

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-now-kiss-finn-gif-5658105

[median wraith]

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/rise-and-shine-robocop-coffee-morning-gif-12434290368521061810

[celest musk]

Microsoft has an unparalleled view of the evolving threat landscape. With industry-leading AI, we synthesize 65 trillion signals a day—across all types of devices, apps, platforms, and endpoints—a nearly eight times increase from the 8 trillion daily signals captured just two years ago.

[brittle holly]

All of our data “are belong” to them then?

[median wraith]

https://youtu.be/c6ifWwyzi7U?t=773

damm

[fluid bloom]

cod, one of the few games where vaulting over a wall is faster than sprinting

[versed vector]

the animations of the AI character they were following are rough...tablet floating out of the hands too

[fluid bloom]

is this like... the third modern warfare 3?

[versed vector]

i have no idea any more

mw+number+year seems to be the new name format 😵‍💫

[soft night]

or is it like 7 modern warmware 3

[versed vector]

lukewarmware? 😃

[median wraith]

oh yeah, shipped with 6.5ms lumen

https://tenor.com/view/hello-kermit-frog-dancing-dance-gif-16739364

by the way, someone knows why I have this material inputs on UE5 after update from 4 ?

don't even know what it is

there is a spectular profile asset you can create, are you joking because its called specular or

if I make a new instance is gone

🤔

strange for sure

[pearl elk]

If you load up Alan Wake and go between highest no RT and lowest RT it gets worse graphically 😛

call me crazy but I remember we had a way to do mirrors before RT, Quake had reflections on the stained glass

Unreal had reflections in software 😛

Im definitely willing to admit those reflections arnt the most accurate but surely we could blend between that and SSR to get a midling result thats still performant

I guess they need a reason to sell those RT cores

I'll be impressed when RT can do a hall of mirrors with 3-5 bounces in real time. Then I can finally recreate the Crystal Palace scene from Conan The Destroyer

[celest musk]

quake had geometry behind the glasses

[pearl elk]

It definitely did, I dont think the opacity worked while it was reflective, it was alot of years ago though. Pretty sure you can to choose between em

[celest musk]

that's how i made a mirror in minecraft, too

[median wraith]

man, but now have RT

[pearl elk]

Little objects like wine glasses in AW2 are super impressive but they arnt relevant past being props

I think the issue is they couldnt use mirror or glass tricks as gameplay because that might be an RT required

We'll see though, Im not that far into the game. Just passed the god awful music video level

I preferred Max Paynes descent into madness, it was a more simple narrative. Theres so much going on with AW2 with all the interconnections between the games

[versed vector]

alan wake 2 just skips some smaller surfaces entirely with SSR.

[pearl elk]

I couldnt decide whether to leave SSR off or not because it looks bad and causes heaps of aliasing

but when you got low detail RT its about the same amount of fuzz

shame you cant just run the denoiser without the extra tracing

[queen isle]

Is there a reason not to use ALS movement system?

[celest musk]

one? there are probably many reasons

[pearl elk]

The gait is calculated on the movement speed so decoupling those might be a pain if you need to

[celest musk]

i use ALS myself, it's not a bad system, but keep in mind that it was mostly developed for UE4 and may be missing some UE5 features!?

[pearl elk]

It does have better strafing that Lyra imo

[celest musk]

and yea it's kinda complex, any customization may end up as a pita trying to understand what's going on

[pearl elk]

Theres a version of ALS on github thats been ported to anim layers, its more aimed at UE5. Theres a few branches, definitely take a search on github

[celest musk]

i was about to say that i would highly like a more modular version

sounds like the anim layer thing is targeting that?

there's also a C++ port which moves all or most of the logic away from BP

[pearl elk]

yeah the C++ one fixed the networking support too

[celest musk]

Patent number US 11,620,781 BI was applied by Take-Two Interactive, and it describes a new system and method for virtual character locomotion. In short, the patent introduces imperative building blocks that are used to define character movements and animation based on data changes within the gaming engine. This allows for more diverse and realistic character locomotion that offers a wide range of animations to be put on screen. With it, in-game characters can react more naturally to combat, weather, and interactions with other NPCs. These building blocks can ideally be layered "to create a data-driven animation system," creating a more dynamic experience for gamers.

wow rockstar discovered state machines and select nodes?

[pearl elk]

Didnt they buy that animation company ummz Natural Motion

Id say this might be more to do with neural networks because of the feedback loop with data changes

[celest musk]

that really sounds like what we know as state trees/blend spaces and additive overlays

[queen isle]

I just see it as more advanced way of using blending animnations?

[celest musk]

https://image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadPdf/11620781 thats the patent request

[pearl elk]

Pretty sure Ive seen Ubisoft show off something similar for player movement. Who knows maybe it wont get accepted, even if it does whether or not they'll try to enforce it

[celest musk]

worse enough that they can try to patent something that any skilled dev would come up with when they need it

[pearl elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16CHDQK4W5k

This is a later version of the same tech too, think the original was back in 2017 so I dunno how far back Take Twos goes. Probably further

Thing is how would you even know without reverse engineering the competitions games

[celest musk]

i've seen a similar siggraph video but with a dog mostly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJvRYtjQ4c

maybe the same but in a earlier stage?

[pearl elk]

Yeah the one I remember was just a plain mannequin style character

https://youtu.be/szOMIn0YyUM?t=211

[celest musk]

that looks like the usual vector "ai" network?

[pearl elk]

I think the hard part is training it

[celest musk]

yea writing the training code and feeding it with meaningful data

[pearl elk]

Im sure Ubisoft has a huge catalog of anim data so its not tricky for them. I do hope this stuff becomes available for us lowly plebs who need it most

[celest musk]

and then, also writing something that gets meaningful data out of it in the context of where it's used

the first video looks like it's a few steps further (as it looks pretty much game ready)

[pearl elk]

I would not be surprised if we see this in the next Assassins Creed, maybe even Farcry

[celest musk]

yea me neither...

specially since i associate assassins creed with wonky character controls

but maybe the AI is better at predicting what happens next than my input's

[pearl elk]

lol thats definitely one thing I had to fix up for ALS, when I use a head camera the controls felt laggy. Its not so bad in TP but I had to be careful with acceleration rates otherwise you can break Epics CMC replication

[celest musk]

yea i also have the issue, but haven't bothered yet

it feels a bit too unresponsive by times

[dusk plaza]

/steam

[broken sigil]

damn Alan Wake 2 is a good looking game, just booted it up for the first time

first complaint... no FOV slider, default narrow FOV is making me sick

[fleet tangle]

I had a similar issue the first time I played The Finals.

Couldn't rebind my mouse buttons or change sensitivity.

Couldn't finish a game.

[broken sigil]

damn

yeah, I feel like FOV is something that every games should let you change

But man it looks absolutely amazing

can't post any screenshots because I'm playing as a naked man at the moment 😆

welp the gpu is in pain lol

[brittle holly]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-keegan-michael-key-jordan-peele-but-why-tho-why-gif-5387178

[fleet tangle]

He likes the helicopter

Fuuuuuuck

Talos Principle 2 is ouuuuttt

[brittle holly]

Sounds familiar

[broken sigil]

not sure how well this translates over the screenshot but this looks insanely good
Cyberpunk and this might be the 2 best looking games I have ever played

[fleet tangle]

Low standards?! 😄 😄

[brittle holly]

I mean it would make sense given they’re the most recent AAAs you played

[broken sigil]

true 😅

Oh dear... I'm pressing tab instinctively to scan things like I'm playing cyberpunk lol

[fleet tangle]

I don't understand that.

Instead of just pressing tab every second, why not just have it happen automatically? Or have items pop up when they are in range?

[broken sigil]

I have a slight suspicion I'm gonna spend more time looking at pretty graphics than actually following the story

[white oxide]

because they want you obsessive compulsive

[broken sigil]

it's equivalent to hitting R and reloading like a mad man after every shot in an FPS 😆

[brittle holly]

Maybe it makes your brain get more addicted to it😀

[unborn lotus]

that's what I did with the last of us. may not have the latest tech but the art direction makes it great

[fleet tangle]

Design is pretty good.

Doesn't look good, though.

[brittle holly]

Was this not on PC?

[unborn lotus]

yes

[brittle holly]

Ah, so were you stopping to take pictures every time the frame rate tanked ? 😀

[unborn lotus]

it was actually pretty ok overall 😅

only the parts with the particles dropped the fps a bit

[broken sigil]

Yeah, I did the same with cyberpunk too, I spent at least like 20 hours just driving around looking at things lol

interesting so in alan wake pathtraced lighting and reflections basically have no ghosting or shimmering like they do in cyberpunk

or very minimal

[cursive crypt]

Light tracing is the only thing left on the software side. I'm happy with graphics since the past few years.

[broken sigil]

Honestly I can imagine pathtraced lighting being a feature on almost all future titles, it can clearly run well, on high end GPUs, sure
But when the next gen gpus come out it's gonna be something a mid range gpu will be able to do no problem

[cursive crypt]

They will have to up their game on the AI frames tech inside. They are coming to some limits on the performance.

So, I would say maybe 2 generations more for 4k experience @ 120 Hz

^ I'm talking about what would be the mid range.

Currently, it is the high one only.

Somewhat.

[broken sigil]

Yeah

yeah, I was initially against frame gen and dlss but after playing a few games now with both enabled I've grown to like it
For story driven games there is no disadvantage
We are for sure gonna be seeing more tech like this to speed up rendering, it could also be entirely possible to replace heavy rendering techniques with AI generated, where AI is trained to reproduce the effect

[regal pecan]

Only if you kill the 4k part with enough DLSS can you get 120hz.

For lower resolutions it's not much worse than what FXAA did to image quality.

[broken sigil]

I'm playing Alan Wake with everything at max, pathtracing, DLSS quality, RR and frame gen, getting about 120-130fps, so about 60 native without frame gen
1440p

So a generation or 2 down the line this tech is gonna run on mid to low (ish) end gpus well enough for sure

[cursive crypt]

tbf, I'm more impatient about the HDR and colours side of the things.

But that mostly monitor thingie.

[regal pecan]

OLED and a game built for HDR would be lovely. Especially in VR.

[cursive crypt]

OLEDs are still bad at lifetime. But any tech would suffice as long it can dump more colors with good dynamics.

I bought my 10bit one monitor this year and started to grow on it.

[broken sigil]

ah the infamous alt tab crash lol
Crashed alan wake just now while checking discord 🤣

[cursive crypt]

Or was it the last year? 🤔

[cursive crypt]

lol, what engine they use? Inhouse?

[broken sigil]

Think so yeah

[cursive crypt]

Someone didn't cleared their memory, or thought concurrency is easy.

[broken sigil]

got "device removed" error lol

[cursive crypt]

Ah, this I get with UE on dx12 all the time.

[broken sigil]

usually happens when a gpu driver crashes but mine clearly didn't 😅

So think in this case it is some screwiness with their engine and alt tabbing lol

And why does every single game have the aim sensitivity all the way up there in Narnia by default