lounge

[gloomy inlet]

i was blue last year

@affectionateuser

wa he left

why

[quasi mantle]

If I had to dye my hair, it would be dark blue

[cursive crypt]

pfp checks out

[gloomy inlet]

affectionateUser#4018

[quasi mantle]

TL;DR: lounge scrutiny for repeated hug ad nauseum

[ancient ingot]

i want to dye my hair red

[gloomy inlet]

can you repeat in english 😭

[cursive crypt]

You don't have a hair, but fur - wake up.

[quasi mantle]

remove the "ad nauseum" word

[cursive crypt]

It was about money at the end.

[ancient ingot]

i have fur? 😐 what... what kind of animal am i?!

[gloomy inlet]

someone bullied him and he left, meanies

[ancient ingot]

snap lol

[quasi mantle]

I can say the same with how newbies getting bullied in software engineering space, but I digress

Anyway, hair dye

[gloomy inlet]

where to get roles

[cursive crypt]

someone must wash the floor ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gloomy inlet]

i mean colors

idk how it is here

why am i even here

[quasi mantle]

What roles?

[gloomy inlet]

pink?

[proud jay]

pink is nitro

[gloomy inlet]

lame

[cursive crypt]

pink role?

[trail wedge]

nope... you have to boost the server too... I have Nitro

[proud jay]

you can also apply for mod to become orange

[gloomy inlet]

i'll stay white

lol moderating

that's like the worst thing to do in life

[quasi mantle]

For all intents and purposes, this server has no roles

[gloomy inlet]

that's why i wanted it

[quasi mantle]

Except UE forums aren't that active

[gloomy inlet]

in the other servers i match my color to my pfp

[proud jay]

guess here you'll have to update your pfp to your color

time for white hair

[gloomy inlet]

isn't this cute

[proud jay]

indeed

[quasi mantle]

But you can join my server and get the green role, just favorite one of the characters from my game 😛

||shameless plug||

[proud jay]

it isn't

[cursive crypt]

theyarethesamepic.jpg

[trail wedge]

should I boost this server for no reason?

[gloomy inlet]

give

[quasi mantle]

Soon™️

I'll open it up more once I presented the game to the wider public

[trail wedge]

tada

[gloomy inlet]

ignore the msg but that's my pfp when i boost a place

[proud jay]

what kind of game are you making

[gloomy inlet]

without the box

[proud jay]

how are we supposed to ignore this message

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-grimace-gross-no-gif-8084888

[gloomy inlet]

lol

[quasi mantle]

anime style action RPG

[gloomy inlet]

well i couldn't find another ss 😭

ok here

[trail wedge]

or cropped

[cursive crypt]

Apparently, not

[gloomy inlet]

no it's the first one i found

[proud jay]

well well, look who's pink now

[gloomy inlet]

i swear

[cursive crypt]

Imagine, if you search a bit more.

[trail wedge]

#lounge message

[quasi mantle]

In other words, not something you'd likely play

[gloomy inlet]

and this is when i was blue

matching pfp to role is nice

well

[quasi mantle]

Not much currently

[gloomy inlet]

we have a "out of context" channel

self explanatory

[proud jay]

is there also a channel in context?

or is there only #dussy

[gloomy inlet]

no

just out of context

where we clip comments

[quasi mantle]

It's still pretty much a one man project, so I'm not giving it publicity until I feel it good enough for public showing

[gloomy inlet]

like this

[proud jay]

you have strange friends

[gloomy inlet]

ye

anyway

[quasi mantle]

Though if you have questions about general story or characters or more technical side of the game, feel free to ask me here, I do love to share ideas (and my tech art discoveries)

And speaking of green hair, my game have one party member with green hair. She's a young (14) and energetic mage.

[trail wedge]

do people just have green hair in your world or do they die it?

[quasi mantle]

It's anime style, so the former

[gloomy inlet]

i have

uhhh

1 moment

[trail wedge]

they need an anime where everybody has to remember to re-dye their hair all the time

[quasi mantle]

Colorful hairs are expected with anime style naturally, so that's that.

[gloomy inlet]

blonde hehe but i can't find the transparent one

i might be this in 2024

[quasi mantle]

It's hard to make a character stand out with real life hair color in anime style

Not to mention straight up black hair is messing with the banded cel shading

[gloomy inlet]

if i ever work at wendys

[quasi mantle]

Also I'll brought this up: I'm targetting 17+ mature age rating for my game

[cursive crypt]

Asking the real question here.

[quasi mantle]

At the moment stat system is pretty generic RPG affair, not much deviation

As for the combat, I'm looking into having both melee and third person shooter hybrid combat

[gloomy inlet]

@quasi mantle play stray

[quasi mantle]

Soon. I haven't bought it

[gloomy inlet]

🥺

[quasi mantle]

Still got many games on my wishlist to go

[gloomy inlet]

stray is top prio

[quasi mantle]

Not for me at least

Though I do have the idea to make a cat RPG spinoff

Revolving the adventure of the protagonist's pet

[gloomy inlet]

cat rpg

today a dog kept following me

until i crossed the road

he wanted sth poor guy 🥺

[quasi mantle]

When it's ready

I'm redoing the animations, currently it looked shit in motion

Also making the outfit

The main character is wearing two layer of tank top, a shorts (I don't know if I want to add skirt), and an unbuttoned military shirt

Her military shirt is the most painful to sew ngl

Not to mention she's having large breasts, so it kinda makes fitting the upper body clothes a little bit more difficult (but not giving proportional hindrance)

[gloomy inlet]

huh

cat with skirt and large breasts

[quasi mantle]

Well, not the cat, the soon to be owner is

The cat is just the pet (and spirit summon)

[celest musk]

https://jigex.com/w4n6W time to put laura together

[gloomy inlet]

u got me interested in ur game

[quasi mantle]

If you maintain the cat (Noriko) well, she'll have full power as a summon

[gloomy inlet]

show

[quasi mantle]

Still an idea, I don't have the cat model yet (and not yet coded a functional summon system)

Still figuring out how to do the whole summon system without having to require lots of menuing

[gloomy inlet]

easy

1 page

1 big summon button

[quasi mantle]

Well, it's an action RPG, not menu heavy turn based RPG

[gloomy inlet]

not to discourage but

u sure about making an rpg

[quasi mantle]

at least not an MMO RPG

It's single player only though

[gloomy inlet]

best of luck

[quasi mantle]

thanks

Though I'm heavily influenced by Final Fantasy, so yeah

[gloomy inlet]

Initial Fantasy

[quasi mantle]

Final Reality

[gloomy inlet]

Cat pet and the big breasted owner

[quasi mantle]

The latter of which got isekai'd

And the game is codenamed Isekai

[gloomy inlet]

release when

[quasi mantle]

When it's ready™️

Though I still plan to have some alpha public demo soon, with just one dungeon, marketplace monsters, and subtitled dialogue only

Also featuring the green haired mage to showcase more than 2 party member size

(which interestingly, she's a daughter of an engineer)

[gloomy inlet]

hm

[quasi mantle]

Here's a VRoid "sketch" of said green haired mage (haven't properly modified her for UE rig, still from VRoid Studio renderer).

I named her Mido Takatsuki. Her father is named Shido Takatsuki (referencing Final Fantasy's Cid naming)

[gloomy inlet]

where big breasts

[quasi mantle]

She's still 14, still in growth period, and not the main character (but she's one of the party member on board)

[gloomy inlet]

o that's not the main one

[quasi mantle]

nope lol

[unborn lotus]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZsW4JVABGtcovO8/giphy.gif

[gloomy inlet]

w0t

he mentioned it, so i asked 👁️ 👅 👁️

[unborn lotus]

mentioned what 😂

[cursive crypt]

Doesn't matter, mentioned.

[quasi mantle]

Different character.

[gloomy inlet]

ye i confused the characters

[quasi mantle]

The aforementioned big breasted character is the main character, but she's 19 and having dark gray hair

Not the green haired mage

[gloomy inlet]

meep

I miss au, I've only met him for like 2 days and he's gone already, friday the 13th curse 😔

[celest musk]

AU is online!?!

he puzzled with me

[gloomy inlet]

he left server

😭

[celest musk]

@deep copper no, he didnt

[gloomy inlet]

he doesn't show in mutual servers anymore

how did he u manage to ping him i cant find him anymore

[thick oracle]

I will totally take the first few words of that sentence out of context

[celest musk]

well, idk

but he wrote earlier today

[quasi mantle]

That's entirely on you

I have her as one of the characters for the sake of the story

[celest musk]

oh, he planned to left, so someone else did play as him...

why would someone name themself after him tho? 😄

[quasi mantle]

Not really, you did @ him

[trail wedge]

it was Laura checking out your link

[celest musk]

no, she was there for a brief moment, tho

but i dont think that she puzzled actually

[trail wedge]

ahh thought she just used an alias

[celest musk]

guess she would be more creative then

[quasi mantle]

Also this reminds me of how Snatcher make Katrina older to 18 years old in the Sega CD port

I won't change anyone's age in my game's story until there's actual time skip progression.

If you think dirty stuff on Mido, that's entirely on you

Though to be fair Snatcher has shower scene on Katrina, my game doesn't have one

Also I'm still not sure if I should make one for the main playable character anyway, I want the fanservice to be optional and not shoehorned in the way of the main story

[fleet tangle]

You can just add bonus content in the main menu or something.

Then it's entirely optional.

[quasi mantle]

At best I can have bath tub scene as something you can do in safehouses 🤔
The story spans across multiple weeks, so the character should have a place to call home in the world

[trail wedge]

well I assumed it was to throw them off lol

[celest musk]

LaurArmI

[sweet rose]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1xI7M6PDSXLll1dt9j2snA?si=76f6c78801a84833

[timber viper]

Not their best song

But first time seeing someone still listening TDG at 2023 other than me

https://youtu.be/4v4cRy25Xaw

[marble sparrow]

yes he left, they ganged on him

[timber viper]

What happened?

[quasi mantle]

lounge scrutiny

[timber viper]

all i see is a long debate with ditere about "jk"

[unborn lotus]

It's ditere's fault

[timber viper]

pronounce correctly please

[quasi mantle]

Duterte do be like that

[timber viper]

and whats that anime convo is about

[quasi mantle]

But in short, he got scrutinized for his hug role play

Wasn't until deirdre causing his frustration to blow up

It's far more rampant than you might think, even though it's against TOS

[timber viper]

I remember Hypixel server

[quasi mantle]

At the same time MC griefing groups also crusading against P2W servers

[timber viper]

its ditere

[quasi mantle]

Ah yes, dieter, the president of Philippines

[timber viper]

💊

its Bongbong Marcos

[quasi mantle]

I'm not a Filipino mkay

[slim atlas]

hypixel was cool

[timber viper]

[slim atlas]

and what a crazy story

[quasi mantle]

What was the other notorious MC group name? I forgot, but it's equally as (in)famous as Hypixel

"Anarchy" or something

[slim atlas]

hypixel isnt a group

its a guy

[timber viper]

its a server

[slim atlas]

nonono

its a guy

[timber viper]

back at 2015 it was most populated one

[slim atlas]

before the server

he made a minecraft adventure map

it was epic

one of the greatest things ever made

[timber viper]

you mean the herobrine one

[slim atlas]

yee

thats hypixel

[timber viper]

yeah hypixel is a team though

[slim atlas]

no its a person

[timber viper]

and the server name of their

[slim atlas]

i slap you

[timber viper]

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-scott-present-laughter-slap-self-gif-16647684

[timber viper]

staph slapping me

[slim atlas]

omg.

you are a lunatic

[sweet rose]

Bruh every 3DG song is a banger

One of the very few bands that doesn't have a bad song

[warm bloom]

hi

[cursive crypt]

pizza

[timber viper]

I gave up after Adam left

but yeah 3DG beyond awesome

[timber viper]

no u

[slim atlas]

i am exporting textures from substance painter 🙂

i love that tool so much

[cursive crypt]

Stuck in the non-sub version.

View it on internet

[timber viper]

github exists

[slim atlas]

if you want to view engine source

why dont you view it online

[timber viper]

press .

open in VSCode web

VSCode is not just free but also open source lol

[cursive crypt]

Hopefully from tomorrow

[slim atlas]

ryder.

[timber viper]

why? so we all use atom

[cursive crypt]

theyarethesamepic.jpg

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/ryder-gta-sa-genious-gif-19163251

ryder

[slim atlas]

eren you are the guy who made that dwarf enviroment the throne room

i finally remembered

[timber viper]

I dont even know what it is but if you say so

[cursive crypt]

You are dwarf. End of talk.

[timber viper]

I thought I was a titan

even though I didnt watch AoT

sorry I'm an interpreter peasant

[cursive crypt]

Titans should be vegans

[timber viper]

I cant give up on kebab

[slim atlas]

my fucking unreal engine logo got corrupted too

look at the corner

OMG

[timber viper]

how do you even corrupt an image

didnt know hot reload was available for textures

[cursive crypt]

Compress by hand. Happens.

[slim atlas]

i cant even resave it

[cursive crypt]

Why saving that carpet?

[slim atlas]

gonna restart in 15 seconds

i didnt know you can corrupt the unreal engine logo

omega lul

dont hit me with that programmer coder mumbo jumbo

its just my vram that is out

i recently ordered myself a laptop

32gb ram

6gb vram

3060 rtx

ryzen 7

[cursive crypt]

color?

[timber viper]

broken vram also probably wont cause this

[slim atlas]

I decided what causes this and what not.

you guys dont get to decide.

https://tenor.com/view/apple-gif-20884176

no

its a local brand

extremely relevant

[timber viper]

why laptop though

[slim atlas]

its GMX

[slim atlas]

cause i already got a desktop pc

[timber viper]

do you write xii outside of the house or something

[naive sigil]

Hey guys, so today I made up this quick little prototype game that I find to be pretty fun. Basically your running on a globe (tho rlly the globe is still and your just rotating around it), and you can turn left or right using mouse X input. The goal is to avoid this pillars that randomly spawn on the globe where the camera isnt looking, and despite not having a game over screen, its pretty fun. However, this game lacks a lot in looks, and I'm wondering where I should take the theme. Right now I'm using an orthographic camera and some unlit materials, but that won't cut it. If anyone has any idea's for a theme, please do feel free to share. Also, I'm calling it 'Globetrotter' for now.

[remote fog]

It looks like the error I'm getting all the time. If it's the same, it shouldn't be corrupted. If you restart the editor and it goes back to normal it's the same error.

[slim atlas]

thanks but i didnt ask for help

ofc it goes away after restart,.

[cursive crypt]

The Coast wizards getting roasted hard these days.

I thought the issue was they want to stop using it actually.

Ogl for lif

[naive sigil]

im not showing off a work in progress, asking for artistic advice

na its ue

oh i thought that was a showoff channel

[cursive crypt]

We don't work at #lounge

[naive sigil]

yeah i just come here when I have a general question that doesnt rlly have anything to do with code or needing help with a feature, moreso just for advice

[timber viper]

after au left probably lounge will be more chill

Hehe wasnt creepy as au last time

damn

it was obvious after "female man" thing

i guess its about green hair

[cursive crypt]

Blue and purple having a talk about green

[timber viper]

did he left or stopped visitting

thats what I wonder

[broken sigil]

🤔

what happened

[timber viper]

since you are in DM probably more than hugs

[timber viper]

au seems to be left

nitro is 1 dollar

wanna trade with a few

makes sense

[cursive crypt]

Time to chill

[timber viper]

thanks

[terse wasp]

https://twitter.com/GMatrixGames/status/1613903139094106113

Huh - interesting

GMatrixGames (@GMatrixGames)

Introducing: Unreal Editor for Fortnite

A thread.

Likes

1526

Retweets

154

Twitter · Jan 13, 2023, 2:17 PM

[regal pecan]

There are also many templates you can use, many including "Verse" code as an example!

[soft night]

veerse is now dropped the support for laurarmy to make a new game engine

[marble sparrow]

yes he is a true legend

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sad-sad-face-alone-waiting-gif-21396787

we lost someone we couldn't live without

i will make his memory live

no is u a threat ?

well u r not a mod

u have no power 😂

https://tenor.com/view/no-power-you-have-no-power-on-me-gif-21224726

[topaz depot]

did anyone try out Verse?

[proud jay]

see: https://simon.peytonjones.org/assets/pdfs/haskell-exchange-22.pdf

for true comic sans enjoyers only

[naive sigil]

Quick question, what type of mobile game style do you feel is better:
A: Infinite runner type where your timed on how long you can survive, and ur compared on a leaderboard with other players.
B: Level based, where the difficulty gets harder as you progress through the levels, you can beat them by surviving a certain amount of time, and beat ur PB for fun
Trying to get some input for the direction I should take this game, which I replied above if ur interested, but rlly I just want to hear ur opinions (AND YES THIS IS A LOUNGE QUESTION IM ASKING PEOPLE WHAT GAMES THEY LIKE MORE)

[primal summit]

given those choices infinite runner but neither are my kind of game

[celest musk]

do your sphere thing game but control it with gyroscope if you aim for mobile

this could be entertaining for like 5 minutes

[timber viper]

Most of the revenue for mobile games goes to gacha games

[celest musk]

you can send what's left to me

[regal pecan]

A is more replayable. B is more casual/non-competitive. It's almost a marketing question.
Infinite runner is probably easier and more interesting to create as a first game.

[quasi mantle]

None of the above
I despise mobile gaming (even then I only have ONE mobile game I regularly play)

Premium pay to play games are no longer profitable in mobile game market
||and that's a copium I had to take||

[naive sigil]

ik im just gonna use ads

[naive sigil]

im sure u would love to be loaded down by dozens of advertisements per game

[quasi mantle]

Ugh, nothing worse than shoving personal data to advertisers

You better off using paid currencies than trying to shoehorn ads in

[naive sigil]

yeah but noones gonna pay for an idle game they wouldnt play for more than an hour a day

ads are the only way im going to monetize off of my effort

and than I can offer them to pay for no ads

like every mobile game

[quasi mantle]

Feel free to take the copium, the market is a shitshow

[trail wedge]

Mobile games only seem to exist to milk people with gambling/self-control problems out of their money

[quasi mantle]

It's pretty much an evolution of arcade games

Instead of big and bulky machines, it's all in a device that fits into your pocket (or backpack, if you use tablets), and internet.

[fleet tangle]

That was a good game.

[trail wedge]

Most arcade games didn't contain gotcha/randomized purchases... they're entirely different

[timber viper]

If gaccha games didnt rely on purchasing characters I'd enjoy them a lot on mobile

[trail wedge]

If gaccha games didnt rely on purchasing characters... then they wouldn't be "gaccha"

You're talking about the video from Josh Strife-Hayes right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g16heGLKlTA

it's your fault for removing the thumbnail

[fleet tangle]

Gacha isn't just limited to mobiles, though. (not gotcha)

[trail wedge]

didn't even see your link

[trail wedge]

I never said it was

[timber viper]

I was just playing genshin

[fleet tangle]

And not all mobiles games have gacha elements.

[trail wedge]

Never said they do

[fleet tangle]

Definitely a big problem in some of them, though, especially the Asian ones.

[trail wedge]

you're addressing points nobody made

[timber viper]

Anime-ish style + gacha always sell well if its well designed from what I can see

on mobile

[trail wedge]

Gachapon always sells if you can get the collecting/gambling addicts in the door... Anime is just a lure here

[timber viper]

Blue Archive in a nutshell

a mobile gacha game completely relies on waifu idea

but they have a system that can make characters pronounce your name in Japanese

Intakusu-sensei

which makes it more terrible

I only played 1 hour

It lags on my phone and it takes 15 minutes to load on bluestacks so..

switched to genshin instead

[trail wedge]

I just can't imagine wanting to play a game more complicated than Tetris on a small touch screen only device

I can't imagine wanting to play any of those

[timber viper]

I only play JRPG or gachas that doesnt expect me to pay for the lore

[trail wedge]

OW2 is on Switch... I wouldn't play an FPS on anything that isn't a PC though

[timber viper]

no

its shadow legends but the ads made me stay away from it already

[trail wedge]

I haven't even heard of any JRPGs for mobile that have stories worth hearing

[timber viper]

JRPGs for completely boredom - especially if I'm not home

gachas for story

[trail wedge]

... Gacha means Gachapon... which is those capsule machines that give out random toys and candy.....
It's not a genre.... those are still (J)RPGs

you don't call games with loot boxes "Loot Box" games

[timber viper]

Idk tbh I just lookup what wiki defines the game I'm playing, I was basically talking about Genshin/Honkai/Blue Archive type of games which turns into an interactive anime after some point

[trail wedge]

or with a battlepass "Battle Pass" games

[trail wedge]

so JPRGs

[timber viper]

Arent JRPGs turn-based things

[trail wedge]

with Gacha acquisition mechanics

[trail wedge]

no they're RPGs from Japan

[fleet tangle]

Depends on the game. Not all JRPGs are turn-based.

[timber viper]

ah, ok

[fleet tangle]

FF11, for instance, had a very fluid combat system.

[timber viper]

well yeah then basically any JRPG on mobile*

[trail wedge]

or the Tales of games... which have fighting game combat

[timber viper]

I believe when they also focus on gacha mechanics they mostly follow character-based narrative instead of plot-based one

so makes the story lighter

[fleet tangle]

It's just harder to make real time combat on mobile, tbh.

It's easier to make turn based stuff.

[trail wedge]

anyway, genre discussion aside... I haven't heard of any mobile games with a decent story...

People talk up Genshin but I took a look and it was super generic and seemed like an exercise in attempting to incorporate all of the dumbest fantasy anime tropes in one property

[timber viper]

Blue Archive is pretty much a visual novel with turn-based strategy thingy on top of it, and I liked the first hour a lot
literally an interactive anime

[fleet tangle]

Whenever I see a mobile game -> anime series, there are always people saying how amazing the story/lore is and how excited they are to see certain characters and events in the anime.

It happens a lot.

[timber viper]

Genshin wasnt bad either but too generic as you said

also takes too much time to level up follow the narrative

[trail wedge]

yeh there are people saying it, but I'm asking are there actually any that you can personally vouch for being good... I'm asking for names to be named

[fleet tangle]

I don't play mobile games or gacha games, so I have no idea.

The latest one I heard about from its fanbase was arknights, though.

[trail wedge]

right that's why I was asking Eren since they said they play them for the story

[fleet tangle]

https://screenrant.com/best-gacha-games-reddit/

I'm assuming this list will be illuminating.

[trail wedge]

No?

How is a list going to have a conversation

[fleet tangle]

A list doesn't have a conversation and a conversation isn't required to be illuminating.

[trail wedge]

I'm not asking because I'm going to play these games.... I'm asking so I can ask more questions once I have some answers

so a list does nothing for me because I want personal answers from the person I'm talking to

[trail wedge]

conversation isn't required to be illuminating you love to argue against points nobody is making

[fleet tangle]

"Haven't heard of any mobile gmaes with a decent story"
I mention one and link a website which talks about the best gacha games, which I assume will have some with a good story
"How does that help?"

[trail wedge]

yeh that's skipping a ton of the conversation

[timber viper]

I played Blue Archive for 1 hour and Genshin for 12 hours or something

Honkai for another 1 hour
Evertale (0.1 cent paid game) still playing, gameplay wise doesnt satisfy anything but lore is nice

[timber viper]

Best story was blue archive so far and it made me want to play other ones

[trail wedge]

Which of them would you say had the best story and what would be a brief summary of what you liked about the story

[trail wedge]

sorry I was slow to type

what did you like about Blue Archive (story wise)

[timber viper]

Characters (some of them) can pronounce your name in dialogues and story wasnt much different than a regular isekai anime, and they use livelink 2d (or whatever its called) so you can interact with characters so they play animation etc instead of just being plain drawings sometimes

For first hour you watch tons of cinematics and it was very chill to just lay down and watch like an anime for me

[trail wedge]

cool appreciate you typing all that out but I was more asking about the story, I get that it's presented well but is the content of the story actually good?

[timber viper]

Its not awesome yet, from the point I could reach in one hour you just meet an evil girl causing trouble in city and you are the guy/girl who is responsible of securing the city. And other characters usually spend time with you so you learn their own background story. Basically you live in anime world where somehow magically everyone is a girl with an automatic rifle and they have that classic "anime girl character" backgrounds

So just following the plots with that style amused me

[trail wedge]

ahh I see

I'm usually drawn more towards RPGs with a clearly dictated main story

like Final Fantasy, Tales of, or RPGs from the SNES era

[timber viper]

this one probably would bore you a lot then

[trail wedge]

character stories are more to flesh out the main story imo. they shouldn't be all the story

[trail wedge]

sounds like it tbh

I don't want a virtual world or to make my own character really

I just want an interactive movie/book

[timber viper]

just for an example if you would get curious a lot and wanted to try one of the similar types of game probably you'd only find what you are looking for in Honkai or Genshin though - even though they wouldnt be an example of proper plot-based story RPG

[trail wedge]

yeh that's why I looked into Genshin but it just seemed to generic

which doesn't give me the feeling that the story will be something I'd be invested in

[timber viper]

I wouldnt say its worth the time - especially since you need to waste at least one week to reach the target character level so you can continue story with cinematics etc

its only good to kill time

[trail wedge]

yeh that's the other thing... if I wanna kill time I'll play something more game-y than an RPG

[timber viper]

at worst case I'd watch this 🤣 https://youtu.be/pahK44Cd8H4

[trail wedge]

RPGs are story dispensers to me.... the gameplay isn't the draw

[trail wedge]

I've seen a couple of these already.... they're part of why I decided it looked generic.... they also told me if I do play to turn on Japanese voices

I dunno why it's so hard to do dubbing but it apparently is

[timber viper]

yeah English voiceover is mediocre

[trail wedge]

speaking of VAs I had one of those "I recognize that voice" moments the other day when I realized Mikasa from Attack on Titan and 2B from Nier Automata have the same VA in Japan

I haven't played Nier Automata yet, but I had seen parts of it and it was always with the English voice

but then I saw a Japanese clip and recognized the voice lol

[viscid pulsar]

where can i showcase stuff?

[viscid pulsar]

right. is it me or was there a showcase channel at some point?

[trail wedge]

lol found the sections BM never checks

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/aw-crap-the-office-michael-scott-cringe-gif-17331560

[viscid pulsar]

who is BM?

[trail wedge]

BM showed you the current version of that

[viscid pulsar]

blue man

[broken sigil]

we had #work-in-progress and #released previously

[viscid pulsar]

right

[trail wedge]

the got replaced with the Community Creations forum channels

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, Genshin's story sucks.

[frank canyon]

someone with a good computer?

i need help

like a really good one

[quasi mantle]

What kind of help?

[fleet tangle]

http://www.dontasktoask.com

[trail wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fBRaq7rXNc

[terse wasp]

https://twitter.com/80Level/status/1613795671433416704
...roblox?

80 LEVEL (@80Level)

.@PoptartNoahh showcased some gameplay mechanics from Ares VR, an upcoming virtual reality stealth/puzzle game being developed using the Roblox engine.

See more: https://t.co/GLVn868enI

#robloxvr #robloxdev #roblox #vr #gamedev #virtualreality #3dart #indiedev

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What a madlad

[frank canyon]

i waited a couple hours haha

im done

needed a sphere in blender with 1000x1000verts

ty anyways

[quasi mantle]

1 mil verts? Not that intense tbh

[viscid pulsar]

lol thx

[quasi mantle]

Unfortunately, there will be no Visual Blueprint Scripting available, unlike the regular Unreal Engine Build which does support Visual Blueprint Scripting.

So BP is a no go for Fortnite dwellers

Also means they have to go with Verse

[terse wasp]

More battle testing for Verse. I'm good with this

[quasi mantle]

TBH the one I'm waiting the most on is UGC/mod support for Unreal Engine 5 in general, considering the older UGC plugin is completely busted in UE5

I want to give my game mod support in the future

[terse wasp]

UE has long been shit to mod for

Which is a shame

[quasi mantle]

I'm inclined to think it's a side effect of the engine opened up to the public under the EULA
Back then only UDN guys have the proper Unreal Editor and can be bundled in the game for end users to mod with

These days you'd need to go through Epic Games Store to publish the editor as a mod kit
I think it's easier if you don't use modified engine built from source

[timber viper]

one terrible other way of modding unreal is implementing a scripting language you can hot reload properly and letting users modify your script in project files instead

[thorny dock]

cough pavlov did ue modding right cough

[quasi mantle]

Pavlov had the benefit of using vanilla launcher build, specifically UE4.21

Using modified source build does make mod support more difficult

[timber viper]

TIL branch predictors became popular on microcontrollers because Java performance was terrible

[fleet tangle]

TIL branch predictors became popular on microcontrollers because Java performance was terrible
Fixed that for you

[timber viper]

Java performance was is terrible
revision 2

[gusty star]

might as well just use c# vs java

they both use the main string args[] thing

and microsoft is better imo

the tiobe index would show whos more popular as is tho; i think python and c are top dogs this year from what little i remember

that said, java isn't that terrible. there are slower things out there. like python.

from what i've seen, python is worse than javascript by a factor of 2, and then they are both worse then c# and c++, which are much more comparable, tho c++ is still faster. It's just that when you look at the bigger picture, that c# and c++ are much closer than you'd imagine. plus c# has memory management features, so its sort of a win win without much of a trade off, and unless c++ is necessary, perfomance is critical, or the dataset is massive, you might be better off in c#.

but this is unreal, so bit of a moot point.

c# has new stuff recently tho, .NET MAUI is a single-code base, multi-platform, style of app development that leverages XAML and C#

looks b e a u t i f u l

[cursive crypt]

Shilling

[gusty star]

practically lol, ill chill tho. how've you been?

[cursive crypt]

Planning how to take over the world

I spent at least like few nanoseconds on that thought.

[gusty star]

noice, sounds rather relaxing lol.

I'm trying to decide what to draw and snacking on a few fries

fries good, indecision in drawing bad

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ko-trouble-double-try-to-take-over-the-world-gif-13969299

[fleet tangle]

The german version of the P&TB theme tune is so much better.

[cursive crypt]

If someone can explain me why MS win decided that when your second monitor boots a bit slower on wake up, all windowses must be relocated to it? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[broken sigil]

Hmm mine doesn't do that 🤔

And my 2nd monitor always powers on a bit late

[cursive crypt]

After monitor sleep?

After waking up the PC is all fine.

[broken sigil]

What usually happens after sleep is that it moves the windows to my main monitor and when the 2nd one wakes up it moves the ones that were there before to the 2nd one

I'm on win11

[cursive crypt]

win10
My main wakes up slower and it moves all stuff on it.

I'm considering to screw the planet and never allow it to sleep.

Just PC sleep when the time comes.

[broken sigil]

Oh that behaviour was different on win10, I remember it being weird

Win11 remembers where the windows were

[cursive crypt]

hmm... at least one reason to switch to win11

[broken sigil]

Tbf in windows 11 the multi monitor experience got a lot better

And it has functionality from powertoys natively implemented

[cursive crypt]

toys?

[broken sigil]

The window tool that you can download for like splitting the work area into different sections so you can dock the windows, I don't know how to explain it lol

[cursive crypt]

But win10 can do that too? Left, top, expand, etc - with kbd shortcuts.

[broken sigil]

On win11 there is a whole lot more options, and it splits the area differently if it's a vertical, horizontal, ultra wide, etc..

It's pretty useful

[cursive crypt]

hmm...

[timber viper]

https://youtu.be/OcNfD41I5nY

[regal pecan]

Seems like an improvement.

OoOowaGAGAGA

[cursive crypt]

I'm kinda sad I know this game is actually genshin, my bros family is addicted.

[regal pecan]

Out of context, it's unique and has more personality. Maybe it makes no sense for the character or the scene, and that's a shame.

[cursive crypt]

Pretty good at milking, ngl

He swears the story & world are very good, but forgive me Makoto, I wanna puke - so cringe.

That 💰 video said Elden ring looks like indie game compared to it.

You switch chars in milliseconds, have tons of combos between them and elemental-based abilities.
Bro swears it can be very strategic.

mmm... I think they are pretty different, and I havent touched botw

[regal pecan]

Was that the one in #industry-chat? It compares FIFA Ultimate Team with Elden Ring in the first minutes. I don't remember where else it compared Elden Ring's earnings.

[cursive crypt]

Ah... well botw seems more zeldish, this is average anime, button mashing style

[cursive crypt]

Later down the road, take it with grain of pepper, as I haven't checked myself.

[regal pecan]

Elden Ring didn't earn an earth-shattering amount. The comparison is likely centered on Elden Ring's authentic (for lack of a better word) gameplay contrasting with its limited success.

[cursive crypt]

I never said it is badly made, on the contrary, animations, char design, story, art, amount of content, championship in milking money and inspiring addiction... - it is pretty good game.

[regal pecan]

I'd hope a studio would not spent the same amount making fall guys as making elden ring (no disrespect to fall guys... maybe a little).

[cursive crypt]

Fall guys? Yet another DS?

[regal pecan]

Do you think lootbox systems make an effort to use true randomness?

[cursive crypt]

lmao

[regal pecan]

hides own lootbox efforts

[cursive crypt]

Imagine loosing money, no - missing to earn money.

[regal pecan]

I don't mean non-weighted randomness. I mean using a true random number generator instead of PRNG.

[cursive crypt]

What kind of distribution is that? Flat? Zero game

Make no sense.

[quasi mantle]

A gacha game using lavarand won't be out of place IMHO

After all, you don't want your player to figure out a pattern to exploit the gacha system, pulling more desired items in certain times and amount

[regal pecan]

Someone reverse engineered the critical hit system for TF2 and made a hack where you'd always crit. I was intrigued. Valve's solution was also intriguing: They abandoned client-side sync, and from then on the visuals for critical hits were delayed by your ping.

[quasi mantle]

I think you could use pseudo-perpetual physical mechanism and determine randomness by that, or probing to atmospheric noise

[regal pecan]

There's a lot of approaches for true randomness, but most are rate limited because whoever wrote the whitepaper is assuming you need perfect cryptographic security, rather than just good enough security and a LOT of numbers.

Imagining a room of lava lamps somewhere powering the gacha industry... love it.

[quasi mantle]

If I develop one, I would love to go to such great length to ensure true randomness.

[regal pecan]

Make a convoluted lootbox system with different results based on the lunar cycle, or a hash from the latest post in #lounge

[cursive crypt]

Hashing grapes and hugs?

Sounds about the same.

[marble sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/auauau-g999-g999rising-crypto-blockchain-gif-19511339

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-steal-stealing-yoink-seeya-gif-10550534

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-clap-yay-clapping-happy-gif-5243246

[broken sigil]

In game events based on a lunar cycle or some other obscure thing sounds kinda interesting (not lootbox stuff but in general) 🤔

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1013540815999602800.gif?size=40&quality=lossless

[regal pecan]

There's been several games that have done that for an in-game cycle. Never heard of it based on the IRL lunar cycle though.

Not counting holiday-themed easter eggs that occur on holiday dates.

I'd love to see an MMO with deep ecosystem mechanics. Like overhunting foxes for the fetch quest leads to an excess of wild chickens, leading to a wave of consequences through the ecosystem.

Subnautica had multiple planetary cycles that led to some odd behaviors from the creatures. No real ecosystem sim though.

[broken sigil]

Just reading that's gave me an idea for an editor tool for like a cause and effect relationships graph 😅

[regal pecan]

BehaviorForest™

And then there's Indiana Jones and the temple of "you need the ray of sunshine to be hitting this exact spot or all the traps spring at once".

[broken sigil]

Lol

[topaz depot]

he's not coming back

[primal summit]

ultima online had that, but players did what humans do best

[quasi mantle]

I mean, I'm partly responsible for persuading him to leave for his own sake

I also learned the hard way.

At least no one has been offended by me using Nitro to use anime emoji and react like this

[timber viper]

I would expect au to either get banned (which i gave up on that hope after mods didnt do anything after one week of +18 gif and nfsw convo in lounge) or leave after a heated debate instead of after a friendly suggestion tbh

but since the beginning of the year he was pretty much passive-aggressively protesting attitude against himself so I'm not surprised much too

[cursive crypt]

I'm suspecting this is how a new, upcoming generational community is behaving. Like there are ppl who enjoy similar behaviour and are likely young.

[quasi mantle]

Goddamn youngins!

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-abe-simpson-milhouse-old-man-is-talking-gif-16954497

[timber viper]

I'm not sure, I think at least for now I believe its just creepiness attracting other creeps - none of my friends or people I met outside of the slackers would define similar behaviors as normal

[quasi mantle]

Damn youngins with their anime and strange emo roleplay, never understood the real entertainment of TV and letters

[cursive crypt]

Anime got mainstream last decade or two, but we also watched a lot (00s say). Emos were not also something new too.

[timber viper]

emos were cool
reject modernity, embrace tradition

[cursive crypt]

Heard being young and not liberal and growing old and conservative - means you are crazy.

I'm not buying that.

[quasi mantle]

Where did you heard that from?

[cursive crypt]

I don't remember 💀

[gloomy inlet]

hehe

[quasi mantle]

Then you won't remember 21st night of September either

[cursive crypt]

[quasi mantle]

Makoto Ichinose 🥁

[gloomy inlet]

yes

[primal summit]

Proposal for a game:
The core gameplay loop is opening loot boxes. Some boxes contain other boxes, some boxes contain cosmetic items, some boxes contain items that influence loot box contents and RNG, but that's it, just loot boxes.

[quasi mantle]

Drum emoji because I love playing drums

[primal summit]

maybe a profile page to show off your wins, and maybe a way to share your wins with others

those can be paid dlc

[quasi mantle]

Even cosmetic only can go quite far

[thick oracle]

So you mean every modern AAA game?

[quasi mantle]

Nothing is lamer than using stock or low rarity skins

Especially in screenshots

[primal summit]

nope, no fluff of running around and doing stuff

go for pure gacha

[thick oracle]

Reducing the AAA experience to its core, I see...

[primal summit]

yep

cut the fluff

[timber viper]

what is the reward

it'd go well with an idle sim

[primal summit]

bragging rights if you bought the dlc

[timber viper]

ah, you work for ea i see

[slim atlas]

its a beautiful morning and i am already working on something again :3

[quasi mantle]

Now finish it

[slim atlas]

i am

[marble sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/izctrl-popcorn-gif-21698700

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/despierta-ya-gif-24011402

[quasi mantle]

EA, aka shoehorning gacha in the wrong market

[marble sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-face-gif-18202319

[quasi mantle]

I don't know if EA decision makers ever learn from eastern gacha games that are actually embraced with open arms

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-slap-funny-gif-22149950

[cursive crypt]

Specifically EA? Ooh, they know, they know.

[quasi mantle]

And yet somehow they're still struggling to have a gacha game that is embraced like Genshin Impact

[cursive crypt]

Fifa

But lets consider the east vs west

In many ways it pioneers from a region which is hardly accessed from other companies.

Also, they (EA) get good enough money from their games. So somewhere there must be champion, currently - genshin.

Its live will be limited tho, nothing is forever and it will survive some years before another game(s) take over.

It is not coincidence that western companies get roasted for "licking" east's politics so they can get access to their market. For example, the recent movies like Mulan or other pop stars come to mind.

[trail wedge]

Are we just slapping people this morning?

https://tenor.com/view/ranma-slapping-anime-saotome-wake-up-gif-19786692

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-penguins-penguin-love-penguin-hug-slapping-gif-24271495

[marble sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-slapping-slapped-slaps-face-slap-happy-gif-23993613

[quasi mantle]

Wasn't recent Mulan just one of shoddy Disney remake? The original '98 movie is actually good though

[wide brook]

hola!

how u doin' guys?

[wide brook]

i agree

[quasi mantle]

It's kinda weird to say Mulan movie is an attempt to "lick" eastern market, when in reality it's just Disney attempting to "modernize" bastardize classic animated movies

[wide brook]

kinda

hey i'm new here...

[timber viper]

Mulan was terrible

[quasi mantle]

Kinda, because I'm not denying the possibility, but if that's the case, from what I've seen, it doesn't seem to be what Disney is prioritizing when they bastardize the original movie into the current abomination

To be fair though, the original Mulan movie from 1998 isn't as much talked as other classic Disney animated movies like Aladdin

Maybe it's just me, but I do feel like the OG flew under the radar to many collective memories. I recall watching it as a kid way back when

[trail wedge]

Did you know if the followed the original story of "Aladdin" it would also take place in China?

the story comes from the middle east but it doesn't take place there

but it also kinda didn't take place in China because the author clearly knew little about China and just said it takes place in "one of the cities of China"; other than that it might as well have taken place in the middle east

[slim atlas]

If you dont quiet down i will slap you too

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ranma-slap-awkward-gif-19786831

[slim atlas]

dont you dare raise your voice against me

[celest musk]

i want au back

rather someone who asks for hugs, than someone who threats with slaps...

[thick oracle]

if au were here you'd have both

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ranma-one-half-hit-anime-miss-dodged-gif-16542983

[slim atlas]

I dont stand for violence

but i will slap you if you disagree.

[gusty star]

what's up

[unborn lotus]

Strike for inciting violence!

[gusty star]

I think xero just rolled a crit on the vicious mockery

classic bard energy

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/frown-mad-angry-peter-rabbit-peter-rabbit-gifs-gif-11782083

[celest musk]

you felt the urge to make it 63, right?

[gusty star]

I'm not big on violence but I do think it's somewhat funny that glinnevier out here laying down the law one hand whoop at a time

at the same time, be careful lol

[slim atlas]

i am out. youre all mean.

[quasi mantle]

That's wrong

Violence isn't against the #rules

Wholesomeness is a lie, a propaganda

Don't get blinded by what's unreal, sheeple

[autumn citrus]

hi

[gusty star]

well explicitly no, but if lounge is about being chill, then not being chill is against the rules, contra to the stay on topic rule, right?

[quasi mantle]

That's where you're wrong... friendo.

[gusty star]

so in a way, isn't glinn just keeping us all chill by being a little unchill?

[autumn citrus]

hello

[quasi mantle]

Violence and uncivil topics run deep in the vein of lounge

[gusty star]

I see

[autumn citrus]

would you help me?

[celest musk]

it is

[gusty star]

1. sorry but this ain't the help desk
2. how are you?

[quasi mantle]

If it's about dad not bringing milk, sorry, I can't

[autumn citrus]

i have a question but i dont know ask where place?

[quasi mantle]

Ask away.

[gusty star]

well I can atleast direct you to the right place to ask (maybe this is the help desk...)

[autumn citrus]

I am not good at English because I am Korean.

[gusty star]

im not kidding about that, the directory is pretty extensive. and sorry, I don't mean to be rude or standoffish here. Your english is fine, don't worry.

[celest musk]

hi, i'm ben

[cursive crypt]

I'm dad

[quasi mantle]

Shut up dad, you're being abusive and narcissistic.

[autumn citrus]

so i have a so problem

[gusty star]

what happens to be the nature of your issue? graphics? sound? etc?

[autumn citrus]

my enermy have a colision

so

[gusty star]

the channel topics are divided by uh, area of expertise.

[autumn citrus]

i will make in colision

my player

than enermy is follw me

its my code

but enemy not walk

[cursive crypt]

Formulate your problem in one message and post these on the dedicated help channel like #ue4-general

[autumn citrus]

but follow to slide

[quasi mantle]

Not to be rude, but it would be nice if you explain what's your problem in one go in #ue4-general. Google Translate or DeepL can give readable English for you.

[gusty star]

google translate is pretty solid ngl

[autumn citrus]

oh

[quasi mantle]

Also consider using English language for the editor

[autumn citrus]

sorry

thank you

[celest musk]

you may want to use Simple Move To on your AI Controller, instead of Add Movement Input

[gusty star]

its all good, i think i got some of what your saying

[slim atlas]

use moveto once

not every frame...

[cursive crypt]

Ben, go help your mom with the dishes

[slim atlas]

its an autonomus function

[celest musk]

she got a dish washer

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.26/en-US/BlueprintAPI/AI/Navigation/SimpleMovetoLocation/

[gusty star]

yeah add movement adds velocity in a given direction where Move To is more like a directive to move somewhere right?

[trail wedge]

who are you calling a bard?

[celest musk]

this will use pathfinding/navigation to move to a location, instead of pushing your enemy around

[gusty star]

hey you can't call me out like that xD

[cursive crypt]

Maybe they meant beard?

[gusty star]

feel the power of the beard

[trail wedge]

also beards are gross imo

[gusty star]

I meant in regards to some of what xero said earlier, but I was just sorta playing

[slim atlas]

yee

did you know that tears are like urin

if you have a beard..

and you dont clena it

[cursive crypt]

Beards are known to buff damage and intimidation. Sometimes.

[slim atlas]

you have urin around your mouth

its disgusting

[trail wedge]

nope you just got the class wrong... I'm some kind of DPS that taunts and has lifesteal

[autumn citrus]

oh.. my mistake

[gusty star]

so fair lol

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[gusty star]

irl i have bard energy sometimes, but i play different classes for fun in games like dnd

[cursive crypt]

How can she slap?

[gusty star]

i usually play warlock or spell caster or rogue mb

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-slave-slayers-lina-inverse-gif-11029810

[trail wedge]

OK found a better gif

this is me in DnD

[cursive crypt]

Shoe pics?

[gusty star]

calm down there Dali

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-lina-inverse-slayers-anime-gif-20806565

[gusty star]

I made a visual studio theme for the old green gameboy, and a dark version

[trail wedge]

this is Rider country

[gusty star]

oh right

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/kyouko-toshinō-yuru-yuri-anime-laugh-gif-12003949

[gusty star]

i forgot it is rider country

its so eyebleedin' green, but Idk i was looking at old gameboy stuff and thats what struck me the most was the green

[cursive crypt]

No, Xero has still PTSD from #cpp

[trail wedge]

what would give me PTSD there?

[gusty star]

is uh... what's rider's cpp app called again... is riders cpp app any good?

[cursive crypt]

Rider

[trail wedge]

#lounge is where the brain cancer lives

[gusty star]

i bought a license, never used it, still have it till next oct, and am just sort of using VS

[trail wedge]

Rider is good though

[gusty star]

OR WAIT its too early

jetbrains is the company

rider is the app

[trail wedge]

💯

[fleet tangle]

Lol

[gusty star]

it all makes sense i am sleep deprived and foolish

but thats neither here nor there, anyway, rider, is it any good?

[trail wedge]

JB has Rider and CLion for c++, but Rider is what you want for UE

[gusty star]

I see

I have a rider license, it passed the refund point and I never used it.

[trail wedge]

yes... I started this off by saying many of us use Rider over VS (I could have been more verbose)

VS needs R# (or VAX) anyway

for UE stuff

[gusty star]

really

ugh

[celest musk]

just use rider?!

[trail wedge]

unless you like IntelliSense garbage warnings

[celest musk]

it's not like VS would be any better

[gusty star]

but the license

[cursive crypt]

Yeah they help

[trail wedge]

here I'll give you my whole macro

[gusty star]

VS is free for small teams

[celest musk]

you said you bought one?!

[gusty star]

yeah

[trail wedge]

Visual Studio's IntelliSense does not fully understand Unreal Engine macros and generated code.

This causes incorrect warnings from IntelliSense.

To fix this you need to get ReSharper (R#) or Visual Assist (VAX) for Visual Studio. Those are plugins that augment/replace IntelliSense.

Another option is to switch IDEs from Visual Studio to Rider which has ReSharper built in.

If you decide to use Visual Studio make sure you're using Visual Studio 2022.

ReSharper (R#), Visual Assist (VAX), and Rider all cost money, but there are free trials.

ReSharper (R#), Rider, and other JetBrains products also have a free student version if you're in school.

[celest musk]

if you have it until oct, this sounds like you had a 1 year license, which will never expire for the current version

[cursive crypt]

And free projects

[celest musk]

you can keep using the rider version from when you bought it forever

[gusty star]

wait so you buy a 1 year license, you get forever access to that rider version?

[celest musk]

yes

[gusty star]

oh shit

knowing jetbrains quality, that deal isn't so bad

like their java ide is the best in class imo

its just a dream to write code in

[trail wedge]

as long as you had a license for a full year and then you can download the last version in that period forever

[celest musk]

not the last

[sweet rose]

WHAT

[celest musk]

you get the one from the bought date, iirc if you bought when 2022 was a thing you can use any 2022.x.x version

if 2023.x is released within that time, it's not covered by your license

[gusty star]

it was mostly that feeling of paying 200 dollars a year. idk expensive things kinda kill my sense of creativity. like a 30 dollar sketchbook vs a 5 dollar pack of printer paper? id go for the printer paper every time

[trail wedge]

either way my point was you need it for a full year at least to qualify

[celest musk]

unless you extend for the months that passed by then

[sweet rose]

So if I buy the license for Rider 2.5.7 or something I can download it forever?

[trail wedge]

as long as you paid for at least 1 year

[cursive crypt]

Sad world we live in, if this is now so unexpected

[gusty star]

i bought the 1 year license and then the refund period passed so i never asked for any money back but i still have the license

[sweet rose]

That's a good deal

[celest musk]

https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What-is-a-perpetual-fallback-license-

[trail wedge]

well sounds like you got it before the price raise so good job

[sweet rose]

well i thought it was a subscription

[trail wedge]

it is

[sweet rose]

technically

[gusty star]

and therein is the issue. the perpetual fallback licensing terms were unfamiliar to me, and again, foolish for not reading the contract closely

[celest musk]

it is a mix actually

not your usual adobe shitty subscription 😄

[trail wedge]

and if you sub for at least 1 year you can keep an old copy

[celest musk]

pay or die

[gusty star]

adobes model is the worst

id rather use affinity designer

or photo or publisher

[celest musk]

or www.photopea.com

[gusty star]

Affinity even has a universal license for 140 canadian iirc

[trail wedge]

but you need to keep a sub to get the latest (and you want the latest Rider is under heavy development)

[sweet rose]

Cool

#SwitchToRider

[gusty star]

part of it to is that rider is in USD and the CAD exchange rate sux

[trail wedge]

JB is based in the EU I thought

[gusty star]

denominated in usd for canadians tho i guess

[celest musk]

well, they have offices all around the world

but their origin was czech

[trail wedge]

sure I just meant the main entity

[unreal ether]

I had this conversation before where someone was convinced Adobe needs to price their software like that or they'll go under and die

It was an odd one

[gusty star]

yeah i have fallback for 2022.2

until sept 29 2023

hmm

literally the day before the price increase lol

[trail wedge]

are they doing another one? I thought it was last fall

[gusty star]

no they aren't afaik. your right it was last fall.

[sweet rose]

How many times does Rider update in a year

[unreal ether]

Can't you just use the experimental version and not have to pay for it?

[trail wedge]

hard to say... so they do Early Access Programs before each release and those are free to anybody. Rider has had a ton of EAPs over the past 2 years, but maybe only 6 or so releases

[trail wedge]

EAP has to be active

and to be fair it has been like 80% of the past 2 years

[sweet rose]

EAP?

[gusty star]

early access program

[trail wedge]

Early Access Program.. I just said it

in the post above that

[sweet rose]

Oh sorry

[fleet tangle]

Rider is just a beta confirmed

[trail wedge]

all cool

[unreal ether]

Oh. That sucks

[gusty star]

so is it wisest to just use the fallback ver and not the latest ver then, given the fall back terms?

and only use latest if you have a sub?

[trail wedge]

There's a free 30 day trial or a free student version going on all the time

[gusty star]

Im kinda thinking so

[trail wedge]

yeh unless you feel like it's worth getting updates at that point... after all the sub is about the same cost as for World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy XIV

personally I think it's definitely worth the sub for a tool that makes your work easier (so Rider or R#)

[gusty star]

True enough eh

and jetbrains is a solid company, again, I've used IntelliJ and found it to be the best IDE I found, and i literally tried the rest beforehand

none of them made my life as easy as IntelliJ

[trail wedge]

I will say that I DO NOT like the new UI for Rider (and other JB products) that they're working on but I have faith they'll add options to make it more similar to the current one

[gusty star]

dang hey

[trail wedge]

it's all VSCode like

[gusty star]

Ill give it a spin then, if not for the quality, for the fmailiary

F

vscode urgh

vscode is super popular tho

thats probably why

its like the notepad plus plus of professional ides tho lmao

[trail wedge]

I got the DotUltimate bundle and got R# (and some other stuff) with Rider for only ~$10 more a year than just getting Rider

so I can always escape to VS if I hate the new UI (and it's forced)

[gusty star]

I probably should have done that.

[sweet rose]

Wait

[gusty star]

it looks like there are plenty of ways to get discount licenses

[sweet rose]

does the fallback version include resharper

or does resharper need a sub

Wow

[unreal ether]

It just saddens me you need like a billion subscriptions for good workflow.

Creative cloud, rider, Spotify premium, the list goes on

[gusty star]

yeah like I paid for 2022.2, and get access to 2022.2 for ever

ah do they

fair enough

sorta like the personal vs biz license restrictions

[sweet rose]

what is cc

[unreal ether]

All the Adobe apps.
Illustrator, prem pro, after affects, Photoshop etc

[ancient ingot]

Laura 🌹

[trail wedge]

btw (and I can't believe Laura didn't say this yet) using Rider doesn't get you away from the VS licensing requirements

you still need the VS toolkit (for UE)

[unreal ether]

Bruuuuh

[sweet rose]

??????????

[ancient ingot]

@sand oxide so what happened with AU yesterday ?

[gusty star]

I'm not sure if I understand

[trail wedge]

yeh I should have mentioned this is in a UE context

[ancient ingot]

oh dear

[gusty star]

weird, one product to access another, proprietary, tho free product?

[marble sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/auauau-g999-g999rising-crypto-blockchain-gif-19511339

[gusty star]

weird

[ancient ingot]

i'm proprietary

[trail wedge]

VS isn't free under all circumstances

[gusty star]

yeah true

[ancient ingot]

aww thank you

[trail wedge]

if your team is big enough you need to pay... and you'll need to anyway even if you use Rider since you need the toolkit to build with UBT

[marble sparrow]

eew creep

[ancient ingot]

😂

[trail wedge]

I think that's mainly people who are thinking debug is like it was in the beta days of Rider

it's nearly the same as VS now

[marble sparrow]

is NigeyS a woman ?!!!

[gusty star]

can i just set breakpoints and step thru things?

[sweet rose]

i'm not sure i still understand, do i have to pay microsoft too?

[ancient ingot]

not the last time i checked 😐

[gusty star]

im used to using VS cuz i came from unity tbh

c# all the way heh

[trail wedge]

if you needed to pay MS to use VS on your project... you still need to pay MS to use Rider with UE

[gusty star]

hmm okay

I like intellij a lot honestly, its a hard call lol

oh shit

mind blown a little

[marble sparrow]

but... but u said my pfp cute

[ancient ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/snowball-bunny-carrot-cute-bunny-looking-around-gif-24073322

[marble sparrow]

or r u serious about that ?

[trail wedge]

I think you broke their 2 neuron brain

[gusty star]

I'm just going to fire up rider up and give it a look... dl in progress

its been a minute anyway

[ancient ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-gif-21552442

i love that 1

[marble sparrow]

did i ask u for a hug ?

[trail wedge]

to add to this... it's creepy no matter who you do this to or the genders involved

[trail wedge]

talking about AU try to follow

[mossy nexus]

currently

[ancient ingot]

😂

[sweet rose]

last question 😅

So if I plan to release my Game commercially, I need to have a Visual Studio subscription and Rider sub both?

[marble sparrow]

i know, but still do not compare me with anyone, exactly when i did not ask anyone anything

[trail wedge]

...nobody was

I think you're a bit lost

[sweet rose]

So just Rider?

[gusty star]

wait rider can open vs studio sln's and proj's directly?

damn dude

this is wonderful

[trail wedge]

Any individual can sign up for Visual Studio Community to create their own free or paid apps. There are restrictions for organizations that wish to use Visual Studio Community. For more information, visit the Visual Studio Community page.

If VS community covers your usage you only need to pay for Rider if you're using it; if VS Community doesn't you'll need to pay for VS as well.

[gusty star]

i can see why you all use it

[sweet rose]

Okayyyy

[gusty star]

i've read the terms for VS

[cursive crypt]

Me too

[gusty star]

free for teams under 5 iirc?

[sweet rose]

Thank you everyone

Now I get it

[gusty star]

the terms aren't terrible

start your own company, bill yourself time

yeah but its like under 100 machines, under 100k, and under 10 employees

if you're a startup

ez

[trail wedge]

.uprojects directly is a newer feature, it was kinda buggy when I last used it a year ago but a ton of people use it currently without issue

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/work-from-home-doge-meme-gif-23911009

[trail wedge]

4 hours? what is this a light day? I work from home 12+ hours a day almost every day

[gusty star]

man my work from home never looks liked that xD

yeah exactly, 8 hours is a minimum

[trail wedge]

my work from home involves 4 monitors and a desk

[gusty star]

on that 996 grind honestly

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/pr-agency-for-startups-pr-agencies-in-delhi-ncr-top-pr-company-delhi-best-pr-company-delhi-public-relation-company-delhi-gif-12343206

[gusty star]

am i burnout almost all the time? also yes

[soft night]

when someone works 5000hours per day

[gusty star]

in all seriousness, take care of yourselves ok

this.. intense work culture stuff is rough.

[trail wedge]

it all depends if you're working intensely because you want to or if you feel pressured (gonna depend on work situation)

[gusty star]

but at the same time, theres a ton of work to do at a startup, and sometimes you gotta pull the wagon

yeah true

its also variable as xero says

[trail wedge]

working all the time because you feel like it and have nothing better to do is fine