lounge

[fathom wadi]

I heard a rumour that the Lyra project was a one day project that Elon made when he first tried UE5.

[deep glen]

for society lessons we had to do mock-debates.
so me and a few peeps came up with an anarchist party, and right before we had to debate with another party we all walked away. besides the leader.
Leader walks up goes "We couldnt agree on the topic internally, and the party dissolved"

teachers and students had a good laugh, and we got the rest of the day off XD

[deep copper]

that's a smart party

they completed everyone's personal goals

[proud jay]

pretty sure he's already having a breakdown

[fathom wadi]

when I was a kid I put my hand up in class and asked "How could Mary be a virgin if she had a child?" and I was punished with writing out 100 lines and all my faith in humanity faded.

[proud jay]

holy ghost just dipped some semen in her uterus duh

ghosts can pass through bodies

[fathom wadi]

well my theory was she was banging Fabio of Aramathea.

[proud jay]

psh, read the bible pls

[soft night]

have you done your personalitie test?

[fathom wadi]

the bible doesn't mention Mary was also like 13 years old, which makes me judge God's sexual preferences dubiously ¬_¬

[proud jay]

the bible said you should smoke weed before fucking guys

[soft night]

https://www.16personalities.com/

[fathom wadi]

Im not saying its right but it helps

Frankie Boyle

[proud jay]

oh wait I did this a few years ago

[fathom wadi]

I did a personality test once. Turns out I have one but it's not well appreciated :d

[soft night]

elon is architech time

[fathom wadi]

my wife hates Elon. She's got this creep radar and she says he triggers it. I would dismiss that but shes never been wrong before.

[proud jay]

Elon is a walking red flag

they changed their characters man, I was some archer or some shit, but it doesn't exist anymore

guess I'll have to do it again

wait I found something in my mailbox

ISTJ-A

fuck it I'll do it again

[deep copper]

ow! i will do this too! whatever this is

[proud jay]

well

now I seem to be INTP-A

so at least the I T and A part are consistent

the T and P are close to 50% though

so I can live with it

[fathom wadi]

T and P for my bunghole?

[terse wasp]

I still can't even use meta human. I'm stuck in an endless page refresh cycle

[zinc wagon]

did you try using a vpn?

[proud jay]

this chat is sponsored by nordvpn, use code cpp-is-lounge for a 50% discount on your first 3 months

[deep glen]

lol

[soft night]

use code slackers?

[hollow dawn]

the code folk trying assert dominance again? theyre persistent fellas :D

[cursive crypt]

At some point, I have almost understood these. infp here

[deep copper]

i got infp-t but nfp are in 50%s

[hollow dawn]

grandpa we already heard the story how you singlehandedly wrote the great code back in the day

but we shall patiently listen in exchange for cookies and a hot beverage

[deep copper]

and a warm hug

cold is fine too if not for long

[fathom wadi]

wow flashbacks. I remember giving my dead dad a cold hug. That was a strange experience. It did help me to come to terms with him being dead tho. Most alive people are warm.

[deep copper]

it hits hard after your story about his apology

[fathom wadi]

you should have seen the last time we spoke. It was like a movie. He wasn't a person who hugged or anything. So when I was leaving for the last time, he soft punched me on the shoulder, turned around and walked away. Last time I spoke to him. It was almost cinematic.

[deep copper]

talking about your backstory, what happened to the house

[fathom wadi]

renting?

[deep copper]

wow, atleast you got a cool epilogue

[deep copper]

yes

[fathom wadi]

yeah it wasn't so cool the next day when I got the phonecall that I had to goto the hospital and when I got there nobody was around and my dad's bed was empty. It took me around 0.00002 seconds to realise he was dead. And about 0.00003 seconds to burst into tears

as for the house, I found a place and they are doing credit and reference checks. But its taking some time. Hopefully we will pass the checks and maybe move in before xmas.

[deep copper]

that's kinda, sad , the f in infp-t is showing its effect on me rn

[deep copper]

ah, that took a while

but atleast it's nearly done

are you still in your previous place or

[fathom wadi]

bear in mind my story sounds sad, but there is so much enlightenment around it. From my Dad apologising, to him advising me to quit web dev and become a game dev if that's what I wanted to be, to him doing that punch on the shoulder which was his way of giving me a hug. Like I said, it's almost cinematic and cliche. But the only sad thing for me is I didn't put my hand on his shoulder, get him to turn around and gave him a massive hug.

so remember.... hug your fathers. Even if he's a bit of a dick 😄

[deep copper]

well, it's kinda emotionally moving is what i mean by sad i suppose

but yeah, regrets are quite sad

[fathom wadi]

still at my previous place. coming upto 5 weeks since landlord said he was going to apply for eviction, which is the average time it comes through so I could get an eviction notice any day now

[deep copper]

it gets awkward so I don't

[deep copper]

man, you must be super stressed for 5+ weeks

[fathom wadi]

thats my point though. Break through that awkwardness. It's a fake wall of authority put there to protect you but underneath all men have a soft spot, especially for their kids.

and yeah the stress is insane. Everytime I think about being refused on this house I feel sick. So I dont think about it. I just distract myself by learning Lyra and stuff 😄

[deep copper]

tbh i really enjoy it, it's cozy, but yeah, the awkwardness is too much

lyra is your messiah i suppose

hopefully you manage to move in quick

if you feel too stressed... hug your kids maybe

[fathom wadi]

thanks. I hope so too. I have a work contract thats on hold whilst I move and I need to get paid. Almost out of savings and whats left will go in the cost of moving.

[deep copper]

if you keep hugging them it won't get awkward later

[fathom wadi]

I hug my kids everyday. Im the best dad, according to them 😄

[deep copper]

that is the best dad move, certainly

hug me as well

[fathom wadi]

well they think that, I don't. Otherwise I'd have bought a damn house by now. I should have 100-150k in my bank at least. But I choose to work for peanuts.

[deep copper]

this shifting of places is really quite bad on you it seems

[deep copper]

haha that sounds like my dad too aye, everytime i say he has done good enough he always reveals these cards. trust me, house and other materialistic things barely matter, just be there for them, and with them

[fathom wadi]

when you are a programmer you need an environment where you are not distracted by external noise. And this is a hell of a noise. But ironically if you can push through the noise, the programming can silence it once you get into a good cycle

[deep copper]

... that would be the case normally but you don't even get any sleep do you?

you are basically on hard difficulty rn

[primal summit]

ISTP-T

[fathom wadi]

I am currently as I got some medication to help with the anxiety and sleep disorder. Lyra is a good learning point right now because it requires repetition to learn, so I can make a new project, do a few things, delete the project, remake as much as I can from memory, rinse repeat

[deep copper]

cool! we both start and end similar

[deep copper]

that sounds fun i suppose

[fathom wadi]

Some people say Lyra is tough for new users but I think its tougher to learn for old users. The paradigm of construction of a game using Lyra is so beyond granular of what we practice previously that it's an alien concept and is forcing a relearning of old neuronal pathways. I think this would be easier to learn for someone who, let's say, transferred from Unity.

[deep copper]

is lyra that, weird?

[ancient ingot]

@fathom wadi Wales are donkeys !!

[deep copper]

so much so that it's like a different engine altogether huh

[fathom wadi]

well if a regular UE game is a giant ball of Blu-Tack made up of bits stuck together..... Lyra is more like Lego. Everything is modular.

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-meme-girl-uhmmm-what-now-gif-16804319

[deep copper]

that sounds cool tbh, but i see, it's a different approach

[fathom wadi]

not watching world cup brother. 2 gay daughters means I kind of think the place hosting it is scum, and FIFA are scum for being bribed by them. Just personal politics, nothing against anyone watching it.

[deep copper]

i thought they meant🐋 s and i was confused

[cursive crypt]

fifa 👎

[ancient ingot]

i dont normally watch football, my heart is in Rugby as you know.

[deep copper]

noted

[ancient ingot]

and yeah FIFA = most corrupt business in the world, has to be !

[fathom wadi]

I watched maybe 75% of all matches of all world cups since 1982. But not this one.

[deep copper]

did i miss some drama about fifa

what did they do?

[proud jay]

yo factorio people, you know how you can press q while hovering to select the building thingy, is there a way to craft it if you don't have any in your inventory?

[proud jay]

corruption

[fathom wadi]

well thats a historic story. To put it in shorter terms, they are based around bribe culture and syphoning money from countries through enforced development plans that almost always end up in the people of the country paying for it

[proud jay]

qatar just being a shithole

[deep copper]

ah yikes

[primal summit]

FIFA is the soccer association

[fathom wadi]

over 6200 underpaid migrant workers died building the stadiums and venues for the world cup in Qatar. If that was the games industry Jason Schrier would be rubbing his hands together with a joker's smile.

[deep copper]

that's a real big number

[fathom wadi]

I heard one person argue "yeah but thats over 10 years". It did not warrant a response.

[proud jay]

@cursive crypt thoughts?

[deep copper]

10 years 6200 is 620 per year, /12 is 51.6 per month

[fathom wadi]

the whole thing stinks from start to finish. I don't take missing the world cup lightly. Part of me still wants to watch the match tonight, but nope. Gonna fire up Lyra and make a new game feature plugin

[deep copper]

cool, that's some dedication

i don't see anything sports related so

[fathom wadi]

not really. I just think of how my daughters would be treated, and other people's daughters.

[deep glen]

im not a soccer fan but I usually watch the world cup as well, also declined

[deep copper]

it's weird but I can't find any article related to this, what do i search?

[fathom wadi]

I used to watch premiership football and had a season ticket to my club. But I stopped at some point. Not that I lost interest, but it seemed like a big investment once you really get into it. Season tickets, travelling and away game costs, new shirt every year, buying EA FIFA etc. It all adds up to a lot of time and money when I could be doing other things.

[deep copper]

okay "fifa workers qatar" helped

[fathom wadi]

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022

[deep copper]

aye thanks

[fathom wadi]

In Qatar sponsored news.... https://www.axios.com/2022/11/29/qatar-migrant-worker-deaths

even if you averaged a median point between both "truths". Its unacceptable for a sporting event.

[zinc wagon]

and even if this was true, only 500 workers died? as if that's not a big number too

"only 500 workers died building this stadium, no biggy lol. please come watch we need money"

[fathom wadi]

Just had this dystopian image of robots building future stadiums for world cups, but then those same robots are re-programmed when the tournament to starts to publically hang people in the street for kissing same sex partners.

[deep copper]

wait a minute, so you pay 3500£ or something to work as a labourer there ?

[zinc wagon]

yep, qatar refuses to give a place to stay in while you're working underpaid on one of their projects

[deep copper]

what's this you mention in the last lines? is there something more to it?

i bet they mislead the workers into thinking the work was something amazing and big

and they paid up and literally got scammed to death

[fathom wadi]

just a jab at the homophobic laws over there.

[deep copper]

ah i see

[deep copper]

reminds me, Singapore ended some restriction on it recently

or some place whose name starts with S

[thin aspen]

Is there anyway to know if the name of the executable for the editor has changed without having to go physically check the binaries?

just curious because I'm writing a python script to build levels and lighting for maps and i was just gonna hardcode the name for the executable depending on which version of UE someone was using so like UE4 would be UE4Editor.exe and UE5 is UnrealEditor.exe or something

[slim atlas]

the urge to roast someone is so hard to resist

sorry, i had to say it... go on!

[white oxide]

it is especially when you TRY HARD to be a professional

[thin aspen]

Some times you gotta just walk away.

[slim atlas]

i did

that you cant block seller on fiver is so bad

i am gonna make a list

specificly for that seller

[thin aspen]

you can't block sellers on fivver?

[fathom wadi]

this might have edge cases for multiple executables within the folder, but FGenericPlatformProcess::ExecutablePath gives you the path of the currently running exe, so you can just read the dir for exe's and match them up to what you need.

theres more commands with FGenericPlatformProcess you could probably use too

[slim atlas]

you cant

[thorny dock]

you can block sellers who have previously worked on an order for you

[primal summit]

that sounds like an expensive way to block the chaff

[slim atlas]

yee but i want to block sellers who just behave shit in this discord 😄

people who i definitly never want to work with

[quasi mantle]

Me towards entitled programmers

[thin aspen]

Well what I’m writing would be outside of UE it’s something that would be run from a windows commandline so more like a tool to automate some stuff more than anything else

[quasi mantle]

And by that I mean attempting to assert dominance on other members (even though check() would return false on them)

[slim atlas]

its a fiver deal where some guy is selling "i make a unreal or unity game for you"

and the description is so horrible

all around so horrible

[thin aspen]

They need to check(this) before they git rekt .

🥁

[slim atlas]

how can anyone fall for that

[thin aspen]

You’d be surprised

[slim atlas]

i am not

he has 1 sell actually

and got a 5 star review.

[quasi mantle]

Ouch

Yeah, those at fiverr doing that is pretty much hoping for a YouTuber to pick them up.

[celest musk]

xD

a list with one seller

Lady's FiverNote

[slim atlas]

i recently started to work with artists on fiver

the experience is actually quite good O.o

[celest musk]

nice

[slim atlas]

the artists are really good

[celest musk]

what kind of art?

[slim atlas]

and you can like tip them

currently 2d and 3d

[celest musk]

i wonder how many of them just prompt MidJourney

[slim atlas]

the 2d artist was downright insanely good.

[quasi mantle]

"$20 to $500 on Fiverr - Which One Made The Best Game?"

[slim atlas]

my artist definitly didnt use ai hehe

i am currently letting an artist do my topology for a character

its a guy with 8 year experience

and he is doing face details too

[quasi mantle]

You did?

I usually reach out to artists directly whenever I saw their works on Twitter or anime Discord servers.

[slim atlas]

well i tried that too.

its much easier on fiver

you tell people what you want

they look at it

[quasi mantle]

I guess for non-anime stuff it's much easier to do elsewhere

[slim atlas]

and tell you what they think and can do

and BAM

they make an offer

you haggle

boom deal.

10 days later: profit

he gets a 5star review

i get a 5 star review

stunning concept

[celest musk]

everyone gets a 5 star review

[slim atlas]

yes

[celest musk]

it's fiver

[slim atlas]

you as a customer get a 5 star review

customers get reviews

its amazing

it makes you want more

neat trick

but i need more.

[fathom wadi]

if you are using python you should be able to access the api. I've not done it but I know it supports it, maybe with a plugin

[quasi mantle]

In my experience, for anime art style stuff it's more common to reach out directly. Considering that one (or at least my own) order can be very specific on how the character looked like.

Do some chitty chatty negotiations and contracts via DMs, and smooth sailing from there. The orders for anime style artworks would be so specific and unique, those that faking it is easier to call out

[slim atlas]

makoto

go to ue5

your services are needed :PPP

cant believe people can just ping you now

https://tenor.com/view/shirley-temple-giggle-laugh-evil-laugh-gif-13530428

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/xservices-gif-26218058

[slim atlas]

i meant ue4 channel

not 5

[soft night]

so #ue4-general and not #ue5-general

[slim atlas]

yee

haha

[quasi mantle]

I'm "immune" to Discord pings

Or rather, I'm not making it a big deal

[slim atlas]

i wouldve "removed all his health" him

or her

hers

[carmine frigate]

you should get a professional haggler on fiver to get you even better deals of fiver

his 1st job is to haggle a better hagler

you can prolly get somesort of loop goin that breaks the system

[quasi mantle]

I think the struggle with freelancing in general is that it's pretty hard to get someone giving you the first chance. Of course marketing and portfolio makes it easier, but few kinds of service might not allow that as much if you never worked with someone else before.

[carmine frigate]

im not really a brrr... im more prr pthj prrpths pupupute pfff

[slim atlas]

for those who didnt got the joke XD

java is based on an old c++ version

its just a mutant for crossplatform

so it cannot possible run faster then c++

[quasi mantle]

Imagine a Javanese hating Java

Oh wait

Speaking of shit, is Laravel still relevant today?

Laravel used to be the hot stuff 7 years ago, I really hope it lost it's relevancy after all those years.

[carmine frigate]

OS2 is the shit

[terse wasp]

@slim atlas I have mixed results with fiverr. I can say that I haven't been dissatisfied yet though. Sure, some stuff just wasn't good in my eyes, but you get what you pay for, so I'm not unhappy 😅. Overall though, I have definitely good experiences with fiverr. Pretty easy to spot the people not worth reaching out too as well.

[quasi mantle]

No, not one bit
I'm sure smelling cow manure is better than working with Laravel

[carmine frigate]

OS2 is also still in use

[slim atlas]

what did you order?

please share

[terse wasp]

Oh - I've been using it off and on for years. Hard for me to find specifics 😅

[slim atlas]

yee but what have been the bad and good experiencesß

i would like for you to transfer me those

so i can learn

and have a better experience

[carmine frigate]

ill undercut the retopo guy... less good topo for less money

ill do pre topo

[terse wasp]

I mean, it really comes down to standards. The bad ones are where the results are not at all what the portfolio show or you get to talkin' and you adhere to their specific package they offer but they end up changing the price. I don't like that. If I were operating outside the package constraints, I'd understand.

@slim atlas I can DM you my concept artist though. They do some pretty dope work.

I've used them a few times.

[slim atlas]

mh

if the results are not good enough

i mean

you cant do anything

right?

[terse wasp]

You can dispute it, but I think that is just shitty to do honestly. We're already getting ridiculous prices for the most part.

[slim atlas]

and thx for the offer but i am very comfortable with 2d people

[carmine frigate]

i can retopo 2d

[slim atlas]

i am currently looking into character 3d and rigging on fiver

[terse wasp]

I'm not saying I seek out people who literally only charge $5 either.

[slim atlas]

oh god no

[terse wasp]

I avoid those like the plague, lol

[slim atlas]

i stay away from people who are below 50 in general

[carmine frigate]

i can do it for 51

[slim atlas]

pricetag 50

[unreal ether]

Can confirm, paid for a 5 dollar thing off fiverr once despite the samples looking good and it was terrible.

Never again

[slim atlas]

i wanted to roast laura

but coudlnt think of a counter

well we will see soon

my 2d artist was amazing beyond reason

so

this guy from india

who is doing 3d

i have high hopes

good portfolio, lots of reviews

[carmine frigate]

51 rupees

[slim atlas]

and had orders in queue

[proud jay]

apparently I'm bad at managing factories

[terse wasp]

I definitely don't trust anyone doing code work on fiverr though 😅

[slim atlas]

i am the coder so

:3

i just need some extra help

i have a massive amount of cash rn

and 2 years of time

so

[terse wasp]

https://tenor.com/bzio7.gif

[slim atlas]

actually

https://tenor.com/view/batman-gif-26535103

[carmine frigate]

ill take a massive amount of cash instead of 51 rupees

[slim atlas]

i see myself more like this guy

i am the core engineer but i let my tools and stuff be produced outside

i assemble everything myself

and i know how everything works

[terse wasp]

https://tenor.com/bLTng.gif

[slim atlas]

🙂

[terse wasp]

That's @slim atlas right now 👆

I'm just a normie who just tolerates with w/e tooling is provided by the engine 😅

[slim atlas]

well i am also the person who actually makes games XD

[proud jay]

Managing all resources going in all directions is hard

[slim atlas]

i found a love for it

managing peoples

making moodboards

[terse wasp]

That's all I do. Focus on the gameplay and just deal with the tooling dealt to me 😅

[slim atlas]

describing what i want

and then you wait

[carmine frigate]

I once burned a piano... i can handle money

[proud jay]

Oh, that exists

Hmm

Trying to get some military science going atm

Gonna try to put up some trains as well

Man pvp would drive me mad if I was just trying to play lol

Focusing is hard enough as it is

With those pesky bugs as well

[carmine frigate]

i used to play transport tycoon 2.... and i would stop my busses on the road where competitor busses would drive... than build a train to dirve over their busses and buy their company for cheap

[proud jay]

You can even destroy yourself with trains

It’s easy to get lost and end up accidentally playing 5 hours on end though

Only so much time between work and sleep 😔

Friday I’ve got a day off and home alone

Perfect Factorio opportunity

[carmine frigate]

you play during sleep and sleep during work.. so you can have a life during free time

[proud jay]

I have already…

[soft night]

not 51UnrealCoin?

[carmine frigate]

i played naruto vs a friend of mine .. but he stopped playing after he got nightmares of knifes getting troewed at him 😦

i had 500 hit combos on him it was great 😄

[proud jay]

Yeah need to convince my friend to buy it at some point

[carmine frigate]

i finished FTL.. it was pretty brutal.. no checkpoints

[proud jay]

Maybe first finish my solo setup though, in like 4 years or something

[carmine frigate]

i finished the final ship

[proud jay]

Rip that’s faster than I did tutorial lol

[carmine frigate]

my tactic was too use the beam that disable stuff to kill their shield and O2 so i could get more scrap from their ship

i finished the whokle run 2 times ... its not too hard after 1st time

didint unlock all the ships you dont need em

you just open all the doors when they board ur ship so the dont get O2

it has some verry exploitable tactics

when u get boarded move every1 too the med bay and open all the doors too space

well you get more money if you dont destroy ships at start of the game.. that matters most

sorta

your laser wont destroy most tho so you can still capture... but been a while since i plaed

most times i died was cuz i cheaped out too much on fuel

wich cost near nothing

[primal summit]

a couple fun timekillers:
devil daggers
superflight
world's fastest pizza

nice, chill, relaxing timekillers

[soft night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMYg69DfFLs

[terse wasp]

Tim Sweeny: "Am I joke to you?"

[quasi mantle]

If there's one thing humanity should be doing, messiah Elon Musk had it actually done
||/s||

Also Elon Musk doesn't make Fortnite

and we all know grown up adults (supposed to) hate Fortnite.

[terse wasp]

At least Tim gave us Unreal. Elon has given us jack all

Well - he has given us cars that'll plow right through a child automatically.

[quasi mantle]

Elon gave us catgirl

Or so he promised

But Tim Sweeney's Unreal Engine can make catgirls, even if it's unreal

And by catgirls, I mean a regular girl with cat tails and cat ear attachments on their heads.
Not the kind of abomination Cats movie envisioned

In theory it's genetically possible but I'm sure the chances are way too low to have it consistent

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-sweeney-gif-25782738

[primal summit]

brb calling genetic engineers

[quasi mantle]

Their specification would be to have the human gene dominating the cat gene enough to create the cat ear heads, and tails, but not having the human gene to completely overtake the cat gene. It'll require quite high precision to strike the balance and reduce defects.

[primal summit]

nah, that's the hard way

just roll a fresh genome from scratch

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lick-conk-conky-kitty-gif-18021368

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/ls-comic-girl-batgirl-barbara-gordon-batman-tv-show-batgirl-sign-gif-18876227

[thin aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/were-super-awesome-and-cool-kyle-broflovski-stan-marsh-south-park-s11e13-gif-21152969

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-supernatural-were-awesome-dean-awesome-awesome-gif-20732980

[cursive crypt]

I'm annoyed that you can't press on your toolbelt too, in order to craft.
The closest thing which I know of, is having construction bots nearby, or on you. If you have put a ghost building and you have that production they will go and build it.

[proud jay]

but then I still need to run to the tap 😭

and off some things you just don't need 100 all the time

[proud jay]

for you render people that care enough, there's some siggraph papers and powerpoints available, 2 unreal related http://advances.realtimerendering.com/s2022/index.html

they're from september but only saw them now lol

[deep copper]

maybe post it in #graphics and #level-design as well

or are they just for q and a

[proud jay]

no u

[cursive crypt]

Space not enough. I don't automate everything, so I carry like few stacks of the basics all the time (e.g. iron, copper, steel). Add and all the types of inserters/splitters/tunnels, + rail stuff + circuit stuff + the random product you got while refactoring and sometimes it is not enough.

[proud jay]

ngl, vs 2022 with VSCode key bindings is kinda lit

[deep copper]

no more bugs!

[cursive crypt]

Why screwing VS

[proud jay]

it has better intellisense for c# than vscode

vscode is good enough

but vs is better at that

[cursive crypt]

That was bullet after a bullet in my brain.

VSCode is like tiktok for coders

[proud jay]

lol wdym

[cursive crypt]

It has pop culture around

Also MS can't shut up about it.

[proud jay]

damn, really strange for a company to talk about their own product

[cursive crypt]

right?

[proud jay]

VSCode is actaully pretty good though

especially for more "lightweight" languages

[cursive crypt]

Probably. From what I have seen, not tempted.

I mean, for ppl who never used more sophisticated text editor+utilities.

Before it was only emacs/vim.

Plus some which kinda didn't rose, like ultraedit, etc.

[proud jay]

I use it for c++ at work, just because our VS19 has become so slow with the size of the project

[cursive crypt]

Can't deny it has a lot of nonsense stuff in it. Even the 64 bit migration didn't help much.

[proud jay]

also there's no VS on linux

[cursive crypt]

You can cross compile. However, under Linux, depends on the projects. The majority goes under Vim ❤️

[proud jay]

all vim users have stockholm syndrome

[cursive crypt]

Unlimited power 🌩️

[proud jay]

resharper is modern day clippy confirmed

ngl, kinda wanted that clippy ugly christmas sweater

but it was way too expensive

was like 80 euros or some shit

[bleak remnant]

Pov American school

[proud jay]

good thing there are only 12 months

[thin aspen]

That’s crazy whoever wrote that just signed up to catch a felony at such a young age

[bleak remnant]

I go to a decent school tho lmao

Earlier this year we had some freshman put fireworks in a bathroom

[deep copper]

i wonder if that's to cause panic and get a day off

[thin aspen]

It is

That’s why it’s so stupid

[bleak remnant]

Clearly didn't work 🤣

Metal detectors

[thin aspen]

In my day we used to simply skip class

[deep copper]

i heard someone did a bomb prank like this once in someone's school so they don't have to go that day

[bleak remnant]

So they can go to juvie?

Well as long as they think it's worth

[thin aspen]

Juvie isn’t that bad it’s the catching a felony part that’s really detrimental

[deep copper]

what's a juvie

[thin aspen]

in new orleans it's a young boy

Otherwise it's juvenile detention

kiddie jail

[deep copper]

so like that shame corner thing?

[thin aspen]

nah, jail for people older than 10 but not old enough to go to county jail

The main difference between kid jail and adult jail is in kid jail you don't get commissary and you have to go to school

[bleak remnant]

Hope I never need to learn what commissary means 😭

[deep copper]

so your destination home changes to jail and that's it ?

[thin aspen]

It's just free-world food you can buy, chips, pop, candy that sort of thing

You go to school in the jail.

[deep copper]

there's a school in jail?!

[thin aspen]

And they have hearings every two weeks to see if you can go home. where as in the adult system you just get a bond (or not) and that's it.

prior to 10 they either arrest the parents or get child protective services involved or both.

[deep copper]

so you can possibly stay there as long as you want

[bleak remnant]

So nothing changes /j

[thin aspen]

if you get into enough fights and assault enough staff you can stay there for quite some time.

[bleak remnant]

Someone had a leg bracelet like a few years back lmao

[deep copper]

have you ever been there, why do you know so much 👁️

[thin aspen]

They were giving everyone and i do mean everyone house arrest when covid hit

lol I didn't always do what i do now

[bleak remnant]

Pov HowDoICpp

https://tenor.com/view/ninjala-jane-hacker-hacking-computer-gif-20337624

[thin aspen]

suspension for a lot of kids was just a few days off rather than a punishment which makes this even funnier

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hacking-gif-7952428

[deep copper]

well as long as it works out

[bleak remnant]

Just skip then

[thin aspen]

They stopped suspending me in like 7th grade, after that they just sent me to alternative school (read: highly structed school for kids who can't stay out of trouble)

[bleak remnant]

That sucks

[proud jay]

I only ever skipped one lesson and it was cause I had to go do my driver's license test lol

[thin aspen]

ehh it wasn't that bad, plus i knew most of the kids there already so...

[proud jay]

and that was already in college so doesn't count

[bleak remnant]

I skip school while in class

[proud jay]

my college courses were interesting though

didn't want to miss them

[bleak remnant]

I mean is it needed if you alr know

[proud jay]

you think you know, but you don't

[bleak remnant]

I'm pro c++ coder

[thin aspen]

American college is too much of a money grab to do something like that. You can skip as much as you would like and have to continue paying to take the courses.

[bleak remnant]

college

There we go fixed it for you

[proud jay]

have you made a calculator though

no

[bleak remnant]

Not a string one because I thought about parenthesis within parenthesis and my brain literally broke

[warm bloom]

I remember someone making a hard coded calculator

it was painful to look at the coxe

code*

[proud jay]

tbh, I would probably be fucking bored out of my mind if I did university though

but the college I did was very practical and interesting, and game dev specific

[bleak remnant]

Why would you code in basic

[proud jay]

no reason not to enjoy

I had 2 theory exams, all the rest were projects

[warm bloom]

easier to retype on mobile lol

[bleak remnant]

f

[thin aspen]

They say school is for the relationships you build and not the content they teach.

[warm bloom]

definitely is for relationships

if you have semi decent problem solving skills you can do whatever you want

[proud jay]

depends where you go as well though

[warm bloom]

you may just dislike doing some things

[proud jay]

and depends what you want to do

[thin aspen]

Thus we have the dumpster fire we call corporate business in america.

[bleak remnant]

I want to code in unreal engine

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-unreal-engine-computer-smoking-computer-smoking-gif-24575019

[warm bloom]

obviously like go to school to be a chemist or something crazy though

[bleak remnant]

I can be a chemist in unreal

[thin aspen]

I guess I should have said i specifically meant america

[bleak remnant]

It needed to let off some steam

[warm bloom]

Niagara getting too realistic

[thin aspen]

no no no, that's just a consequence of having the ability to meet the next elon musk esque person.

[bleak remnant]

Can't wait for epic games to pick me up day 1 of being a high school graduate

I'll code Fortnite 2 for them

[warm bloom]

let me take out some loans to go further my education and then once I'm done it will take 3-4 years to find a steady job and start paying off said debt all whilst the economy slowly gets more inflated

[thin aspen]

but to be fair it's easy to go to college and not put yourself in debt, it's just that they don't teach you that because debt rules the world.

[proud jay]

but also, why is college in america so expensive

here in belgium it's not free, but it's like 1k per year or something

[warm bloom]

You're paying for the piece of paper

lol

[thin aspen]

because debt rules the world. Government subsidies

[proud jay]

which is manageable

also, if you're poor it's free instead

[bleak remnant]

Everything in America is more expensive except gas

[warm bloom]

our government does not regulate the cost of things enough

[proud jay]

I even went to finland for an internship and the government paid me to do that lol

[warm bloom]

the worst part is healthcare

[ancient ingot]

hoiiiiiiiii

[bleak remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-does-anyone-want-to-play-alone-hearts-of-iron4-gif-24027448

[warm bloom]

if I recall correctly my health insurance is around $260 per week

[thin aspen]

The thing is, while college is expensive, it's only as expensive as people make it out to be if you go to some high-end university for all 4 years.

[proud jay]

bro what

[warm bloom]

that's for a family plan though

not just me

[proud jay]

My base healthcare is like 50 euros a year I think

[thin aspen]

You can get a job right out of high school, work there a year, get them to do tuition reimbursement so that makes your classes virtually free, and then move up within the company you work for.

[proud jay]

and then all the extras like hospital and stuff I get for free from my job

[bleak remnant]

Realistically I'll probably be intern if I can even get a job at all

[warm bloom]

I still have to pay a $25 copay ontop of the insurance cost

[bleak remnant]

It'd be best if I could get my own place though because my parents are literally crazy

[warm bloom]

and then they argue about paying things when you're hospitalized

it doesn't even cover all the cost

[thin aspen]

You're a very niche case because you want to do game dev. In your case I'd do something like go get a call center job for one of the big 3.

[warm bloom]

it's such a scam

[bleak remnant]

Call center job?

[proud jay]

how to become depressed in 3 easy steps

[bleak remnant]

You need tutorials for that?

[thin aspen]

yup answer phones, for a year, then move off the phones and get them to do tuition reimbursement. Then bounce once i finished school.

[warm bloom]

Honestly the easiest way to dig a hole is taking a break from working

the break becomes such a luxury you don't want to leave

[bleak remnant]

I mean I can probably get sport scholarships

[thin aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp1uem_lycE

[bleak remnant]

But I'm not exactly sure what method to take

[thin aspen]

Whatever gets you free school.

[proud jay]

I vote for Foo() best method around

[warm bloom]

join the military

obviously

[thin aspen]

He's trying to avoid learning what commissary is.

[proud jay]

cheap school in 3 easy steps:

1. move to a first world country
2. ?
3. profit

[warm bloom]

cheap school in 3 easy steps:

don't go to school

then lie about your qualifications

if they find out oh well

[thin aspen]

I've seen it work

which is even worse

[bleak remnant]

Instructions unclear, 100k debt in the United States

[warm bloom]

are you a gambling man @bleak remnant?

[bleak remnant]

No

I don't have 100k debt

[proud jay]

yet

[warm bloom]

here is the plan

take out massive amounts of loans

spend all of that money you're loaned on option calls or puts

[thin aspen]

this is already a terrible idea

[warm bloom]

you either are forever in crippling debt or rolling in money

😎👌

[proud jay]

when in debt, go for personal bankruptcy

[thin aspen]

Then you can't get anymore loans for a least 7 years

so better make it count

[proud jay]

fake your own death, move out of the country

see it all comes down to america sucking ass

[quasi mantle]

And once you run out of money, go homeless until you run out of mental sanity, and... well...

[warm bloom]

I think being imprisoned wouldn't even be that bad

like they feed you

you get a bed

you get clothes

make some friends

[quasi mantle]

Nobody cares until you make the news postmortem

[thin aspen]

and you get to have a couple fist fights every now and again

[warm bloom]

I have to pay and work to get that so lame

[thin aspen]

get OC sprayed

[thin aspen]

and even then they don't care

[warm bloom]

around ~80billion goes towards the prison system each year

[quasi mantle]

At best the news will last couple of days, unless your death is associated with a criminal act and getting talked about on social media, whether it's true or not.

[warm bloom]

the ones that cost us the most did horrific horrible shit

why do we not just kill them

why do I pay taxes for them to live

it's so stupid

[proud jay]

just become a mss murderer, sure to be remembered

only if you do it well though

you have to become the best

[pearl elk]

You pay taxes so they dont live next to you

[thin aspen]

you pay for the "rehabilitation" and "reeducation"

[quasi mantle]

and don't kill prolific people

[proud jay]

automod will never know

[warm bloom]

I'm fine with them living next to me or right below me preferably 6ft under

[thin aspen]

But it's really because the prisons get funded based on how many inmates complete the rehabilitation program.

[pearl elk]

John Wayne Gacy had a similar idea

[thin aspen]

Which is equivalent to the busy work you got in elementary school.

[proud jay]

american prisons are for profit

enough said

[warm bloom]

this is why 3rd party prison systems literally try filling up our already overfilled prison system

for minor crimes

cause it's more profitable

[quasi mantle]

If you kill a prevalent person, you'd get caught very quickly

[thin aspen]

The private ones yes, the public ones are not for profit.

[pearl elk]

this is why it has to be an "accident"

[warm bloom]

@pearl elk you're going to jail

[pearl elk]

free cable

[thin aspen]

yup but most of those aren't even prisons, they're bootcamps and things of that nature.

[pearl elk]

I just need to find a big boyfriend so I can get a free gym membership

[thin aspen]

lol big girlfriend you mean

[pearl elk]

Im not sure theyd let me in the womens prison but aye, Im easy

[thin aspen]

lol you know what i meant.

[bleak remnant]

I think you are starting to realize everything in America is

[thin aspen]

everything is for profit

[pearl elk]

I think it was Americas because theres more than one

[thin aspen]

and non-profit just means you can't have any money left to spend (profit) at the end of the year

[warm bloom]

I've heard a few of them shutting down for being so incredibly abusive and not actually helping people

[proud jay]

so, then... it's not... for profit?

[warm bloom]

it's for profit

if they just say I'ma make 200k a year

[proud jay]

prisons shouldn't be privatised is what I'm saying

[warm bloom]

👌😌

[pearl elk]

you think the prison budget is bad, wait till you see the 2022 military budget lol

[thin aspen]

lol I have been lucky enough to avoid those places, but the people i know who have been would agree, they'd rather be in prison than go to bootcamp.

[warm bloom]

atleast the military is like useful for other stuff

gives normal people free schooling

[pearl elk]

so does prison 😛

[bleak remnant]

When you talk about the french revolution do you specify the exact one it was

[thin aspen]

well I was saying more in general, like non-profit businesses and stuff.

[warm bloom]

nah atleast the military helps during like hurricanes

and other shiz

like

prisons lame

[proud jay]

well prison is supposed to rehabilitate people

but very little of them do

[thin aspen]

Depends on what they're trying to fix.

[proud jay]

prisons in general are more seen as punishment than as improvement

[pearl elk]

We dont talk about either, I mean the French didnt help the USA or anything either right 😉

[warm bloom]

prisons in other countries tend to be more humane and helpful

here they just get thrown back out

[thin aspen]

I forgot what the name of the program i had to do was, but it was basically an accountability program "I'm responsible for the consequences of my actions, and I need to accept and move on"

[warm bloom]

have more trouble finding a job

and are still in the same shit situation if not worse than before

[quasi mantle]

ACCIDENTAL KILL +50 EXP

[thin aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/hitman-agent47-stare-staring-gif-25064400

[ancient ingot]

EXPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[warm bloom]

our prison system barely feeds those people either

they get like a kid sized meal

[pearl elk]

Killed with a spud gun, pew pew pew

[thin aspen]

THe meals are decent sized in america, they just aren't meant for human consumption is all.

It literally costs money to be in jail.

[proud jay]

so like decent sized for an american is like family holiday dinner in other countries right?

[ancient ingot]

yup lol

[thin aspen]

Think spoiled tv dinner

[pearl elk]

imagine Ronald Mc Donald serving happy meals in prison

[quasi mantle]

Or rig a bomb in a porta potty, for all they know it's a biogas explosion

[thin aspen]

Then here we have those cold shots that ruin your kidneys.

[zinc matrix]

Hello, any good UE5 video maker here with custom animations?

[proud jay]

no

[quasi mantle]

Yes.

Thanks for asking kthxbye

[zinc matrix]

Open for commissions?

[thin aspen]

rev share of course

[warm bloom]

nah they be eating meals like this

[pearl elk]

I pay my prisoners in crypto

[quasi mantle]

No revshare, no crypto.

[zinc matrix]

Why no crypto, PayPal?

[thin aspen]

that's not even close

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/peel-potato-food-prep-peeling-peeling-potatoes-gif-14037640

[quasi mantle]

Because I'm not playing crypto.

[warm bloom]

tbf I think some of the prisons are worse than others

[pearl elk]

what about chipdough

[warm bloom]

I recall a few getting sued for such shit meals

[thin aspen]

they all get their food from the same place, aramark.

[quasi mantle]

You can discuss it further on DMs tho

[thin aspen]

It's literally high school cafeteria food.

Same company that supplies the schools supplies the jails.

[warm bloom]

there's also keefe supply company

[pearl elk]

prisoners make your bins and number plates

[warm bloom]

I don't think they all get the food from the same place tbh

[zinc matrix]

What prisoners u talk about?

[thin aspen]

I can say for certain that Texas and Michigan have the same supplier on the state side. As far as federal prison idk I haven't been.

But you don't get stuff like chips and sandwich days are a rarity.

[warm bloom]

hmmm I've been in a correctional facility not sure where they got their food from

[bleak remnant]

What happened in June 1944?

[warm bloom]

well it was a juvenile detention center

[bleak remnant]

How about 1918?

[warm bloom]

I covered everything in hot sauce packets

[thin aspen]

It was probably aramark or sysco or something.

[warm bloom]

made it all taste good

[zinc matrix]

These look like chat bots

[pearl elk]

D-Day

[thin aspen]

he caught us

[zinc matrix]

XD

[thin aspen]

Now Disconnecting

[zinc matrix]

AI Chat Bots?

[warm bloom]

@zinc matrix I literally stole your gold triangle

[pearl elk]

Launched based on intel from French spies and British Intelligence 😛

to be fair, the intel wasnt that great

[zinc matrix]

Better guys make me a good scene that chat!

[pearl elk]

rangers and airborne got flogged

[zinc matrix]

Cinematic Video

[warm bloom]

yo what's the best power ranger

which color

[bleak remnant]

And the American army..?

[thin aspen]

My favorite food is french fries

[pearl elk]

Rangers are US army aye

[bleak remnant]

Tbf commonwealth too but

[thin aspen]

commonwealths suck

[pearl elk]

not sure about this America place

[bleak remnant]

Kinda weird to downplay an army and promote spies

[thin aspen]

also another huge money grab

[zinc matrix]

How much u charge for chat botting like this per week?

[proud jay]

40 crypto per second

[warm bloom]

the biggest money grab is honestly insurance

[thin aspen]

Dieter is the one who wrote us

[warm bloom]

but they lobby our government

[zinc matrix]

I need for a chat

[warm bloom]

so

┻⁠┻⁠︵⁠ヽ⁠(⁠`⁠Д⁠´⁠)⁠ﾉ⁠︵⁠┻⁠┻

[zinc matrix]

40 Lunas😂?

[thin aspen]

You can just download us on github

[pearl elk]

Kinda odd to downplay the Battle of Britain and focus on D-Day

[zinc matrix]

Send link pla

[warm bloom]

is anyone here from london

we took your bridge

losers

[proud jay]

https://google.com

[warm bloom]

now you just have a shite concrete one

[zinc matrix]

Havent found good AI chat bots for T

[pearl elk]

Roman concrete > *

[zinc matrix]

*TG

[turbid spindle]

:question: am I a chat bot
:8ball: Outlook not so good.

:question: do you have a 8 sided dice inside of you
:8ball: Without a doubt.

[ancient ingot]

@pearl elk

https://youtu.be/MuuWGXVLrPc

\o/

[turbid spindle]

:game_die: 5, 1, 6, 8

:question: are birds equivalent to a fruit such as an orange can I simply peel and eat one?
:8ball: Yes – definitely.

[pearl elk]

Armin Van Buuren is gonna be in Sydney next year but I dont wanna go to that place lol

[ancient ingot]

haha

AVB is decent atm

[thin aspen]

Someone once told me birds were made by the government and meant to spy on us

I told them to put the crack pipe down

[proud jay]

birds are not real

https://www.reddit.com/r/BirdsArentReal/

[thin aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-the-crackhead-crackhead-judge-judge-mathis-trial-gif-16290858

[warm bloom]

birds are made by the government

?

[thin aspen]

flies too

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-red-bird-angry-birds-gif-14541325

[warm bloom]

yeah our government probably funds someone that breeds bird

birds*

and flies too probably

yeah

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-gif-24451161

[thin aspen]

the flies are made by the chinese though we just import them

[warm bloom]

yeah and the eggs

[proud jay]

and the viruses

[pearl elk]

His name is Elon Musk lol

[ancient ingot]

that guy can go fuck his twitter bird 😡

[pearl elk]

Twiggered

https://tenor.com/view/tweety-bird-monster-tweety-walking-scary-creepy-gif-17226585

[ancient ingot]

I left Twatter the second he let Trump back on 😡

Laura !! 🌹

[soft night]

nigey so you wanted trump there you love trump?

https://tenor.com/view/pennywise-evil-smlie-it-movie-killer-clown-scary-gif-10075979

[proud jay]

no he wanted trump not there

[soft night]

dieter want trump to be dietered

[thin aspen]

[ancient ingot]

I want Trump to burn in the 13th level of hell !

[deep copper]

i want to ruffle Trump's hair

[soft night]

well some say now that trump is back on twitter less people care about trump

yeah that is the thing

[ancient ingot]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Manetti_Overview_of_Hell_1506_Cornell_CUL_PJM_1004_03.jpg/800px-Manetti_Overview_of_Hell_1506_Cornell_CUL_PJM_1004_03.jpg

how cool is that

[quasi mantle]

When did the last time USA had a good president?

[ancient ingot]

@sand oxide he has a red tick this time 😟

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/beatific-vision-gif-24199432

[pearl elk]

I remember when The Presidents of the USA had a band, they had a little blue dune buggy, in the sand

[ancient ingot]

oh well it was red yesterday lol

fk knows whats going on over there

[deep copper]

hey this ryhmes

[ancient ingot]

Its like Elon wants to bankrupt the place

[pearl elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg0dkJfrPYM

[ancient ingot]

so Dantes Inferno is actually a comedy ?

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/forgiven-absolve-of-your-sins-gif-10511295

nigey its different levels of hell

[pearl elk]

Its almost like Mr Musk isnt a business genius

[proud jay]

he is unbanned but hasn't tweeted

[deep copper]

i wonder what his first tweet would be

[ancient ingot]

hopefully he last

[pearl elk]

He'll tweet after he wins the election cough

thats only if Kayne West doesnt run though

[ancient ingot]

haha i dont think he can win again, but the USA is so fucked up you never know

[soft night]

mons wins the election of olympys leader of the mons

[deep copper]

pop references! my arch enemy !!

[soft night]

funny that twitter seems be more tolerant too

[deep copper]

but that video is 16 year old, that's one of the oldest i have seen on yt

[pearl elk]

Its a grunge thing

Dont worry youngling, I will find a Youtube video thats older than you soon enough

[ancient ingot]

Order placed, thanks!
Confirmation will be sent to your email.

bought dates inferno lol

dantes*

[deep copper]

ha! i don't think you can !!!

[deep copper]

.. sounds pop but metal

[pearl elk]

dates inferno sounds like an awesome mexican joint

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-roy-kent-afc-richmond-brett-goldstein-gif-22947835

[pearl elk]

I liked Digital Fortress, thats the only Dan Brown one I read

[soft night]

https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/dkSks5mfaey94YCPSD5YNm9h0oI=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/illustration-to-the-divine-comedy-by-dante-alighieri--abyss-of-hell---1480-1490--found-in-the-collection-of-the-biblioteca-apostolica-vaticana--486777773-5c3a03c246e0fb00016261f2.jpg

[deep copper]

that reminds me of Beyblade

[quasi mantle]

Ah, yes, flow map animations

[soft night]

https://historylists.org/art/9-circles-of-hell-dantes-inferno.html

[thin aspen]

I finally watched that video with the look at square-enix's office that luos sent and i must say it was kind of informative

[hollow dawn]

how so?

[thin aspen]

Japanese company culture mostly.

Maybe you can count seeing the workstations they had set up but i consider most of that a given.

[hollow dawn]

:O so no youtube watching half the day?

[thin aspen]

Nope, turns out they actually get work done

go figure

they wouldn't make it in unreal slackers

[hollow dawn]

such tryhards

[thin aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-alert-bumper-adam-devine-pitch-perfect-lame-gif-17474980

[proud jay]

work till depression, then sake, repeat?

[thin aspen]

honestly, not really, there was hardly anyone in the office besides like directors of various disciplines

[hollow dawn]

mmh, my boss had that burnout problem when i was working for a japanese company, i didnt mind tbh, was straight forward work, but i didnt carry the responsibility so ya...

[hollow dawn]

prolly due to corona and homeoffice stuff still

[proud jay]

am I the only one weirded out when people react with hearts on a teams chat

[thin aspen]

Correct, they, like most people, basically saw that people can be left to do their work at home and they'll do it, so I think the lady said they're basically giving people the option to just WFH

[hollow dawn]

home office affairs are a thing dieter

[soft night]

Mons will australia advance from group stage?

[hollow dawn]

from what i heard and experienced, home office is great for the environment and efficency, but it has a big problem with quality assurance and trust in quality, like, as an example, it takes an hour longer to do that sufficently each day

in surfing? hell yeah

[thin aspen]

ehh

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/kangaroo-soccer-football-straya-australia-gif-12110638

[hollow dawn]

you either walk past a desk and see what they did and do, or you have to start up a call, send files, send emotes, etc.
if you have multiple employees to check upon that takes time

[thin aspen]

My bad I had to pour some coffee and stuff real quick

[hollow dawn]

personally i think that time is well spent, can be optimized, and is being saved by not having to waste time in traffic, not having to pay for a huge office, etc

[thin aspen]

My experience is that WFH exposed who actually knows how to do their job and who doesn’t as well as eliminated the ability to micromanage which hurts the company anyway. So when they say oh we need to be back in office I take it with a grain of salt because I’m sure there is some benefit in it for them and they aren’t looking out for the companies best interests or the best interests of the people who actually have to do the work

[hollow dawn]

well there is the socializing thing, in an office you meet other people and share experience and skills, knowledge with them, even if you have a good discord like system set up, its not as efficent as just asking the dude next to you to have a look

[thin aspen]

That’s true but you can still socialize with people it’s just that people are generally anti-social. So their only means of socializing is at work with their peers. I agree it’s nice to have someone next to you to say “hey could you check this out” but you can schedule meetings for stuff like that

[hollow dawn]

true lol, but i mean more like "damn this texture is all upside down, i cant figure it out, do you know joe?" "yea, you gotta flip it mate" "oh hell, cool, thanks" and on we go....

cant wait for a meeting for such things

but i guess if its done online, one would have a log file of the creation process, and could always go check stuff, use it to train newbies, find some artwork for promo or whatever
in an office setting that wouldn exist except for save files

[proud jay]

lol, some dude just sent me a dm on linkedin asking me if I wanna be software lead for a upcoming game company

how big % is this a scam or company that fails in 1 year

[thin aspen]

obligatory we split the rev once the game blows up

[deep glen]

I got one asking if I want to be a subway artist. XD

[proud jay]

is that a job?

like the train station subway

or make sandwiches as an art?

[deep glen]

the latter

[proud jay]

lol

[deep glen]

they call the people preparing the sandwiches "subway artists"

[proud jay]

that is wild

[deep glen]

@sand oxide went well, now waiting to hear about counter-offer

https://giphy.com/gifs/bEVKYB487Lqxy

[proud jay]

you asked for one mil a month?

[deep glen]

give or take

[proud jay]

gotto start somewhere

[thin aspen]

i agree it has it's merits, but from what I know of business that's an unintended perk. What's really going on is they (the bookkeepers) want the tax credit for having a building and buying employees lunch etc etc

That was me working in office.

[proud jay]

the thing office work is good for is talking for 40 minutes at the coffee machine

[thin aspen]

see there are solutions

[proud jay]

smart scientists

[hollow dawn]

oh well yeah -.-

[proud jay]

like the guy inventing the webcam to check if the coffee is done

[hollow dawn]

smartz

[thin aspen]

Some heroes don't wear capes

[hollow dawn]

2 coffee mashines? :O

[ancient ingot]

1.5

[soft night]

like that?

[proud jay]

so the answer wat 100%, last game he worked on according to his linkedin is one of those NFT games

this one https://katanainu.com/about

not me, that's for sure

lol, they just moved a team meeting cause it was overlapping with a world cup football match of belgium 🤦

[deep glen]

having to draw lightning

booooring

[proud jay]

what are you drawing lightning for

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/thunder-gif-26303282

[tulip orbit]

just rewire your kitchen and take pictures

[deep glen]

I actually had to do so when I moved in, the whole kitchen was wired with speaker-wire, flimsy af

[thin aspen]

Microwave and metal fork combination usually works

[proud jay]

how did I fix 11 bugs this sprint and only 4 feature stories

where do these keep coming from

🙃 🔫

dragonHell save me

[hollow dawn]

feel lucky you even get error messages, if art screws up it just looks bad, but nothing tells you what -.-

like, artists have to ask nic cage to tell them where somin is wrong -.-

but ever since i started using the nic cage uv check map, my uv maps have become much more sophisticated, passionate and expressive

[proud jay]

average belgian overpaid for their spotify

[deep copper]

that's a lot

[proud jay]

had more last year though

last year was at 63747 minutes

[deep copper]

why do you remember that

[proud jay]

I took a screenshot of it last year as well lol

[deep copper]

xD that's so sweet

[fleet tangle]

I'm not sure "sweet" is the word.

[deep copper]

adorable*?

i think adorable fits it more

[ancient ingot]

sexy?

[proud jay]

hot?

[deep copper]

hmmm, imagine dieter listening to music and doing dieter things casually, then Spotify goes "you heard us 63747 minutes yay"
dieter reads it and thinks for a moment, then grabs a screenshot, moves it to some secure location, like how squirrels hide nuts, and then next year, does the same

i think it's sorta cute *?

the act of storing your casual achivements and treating it as precious memory/achievement. it could've been done for statistical analysis but either way, it is what it is

no one thinks so? ok

[quasi mantle]

Weird fanfiction but okay

[deep copper]

it's not a fan fic ! it's reality

[hollow dawn]

i feel ya affect

[deep copper]

he did do that

BlackCarp 😭 🫂 🏩

[hollow dawn]

i mean, i understand what you say, not touching, hugs only come in exchange for fluffy chicken and such

[deep copper]

i see ! 🐔 here you go

it's certainly a chicken

it evolved i suppose!

[hollow dawn]

chicken mcnugget gif was too spastic sry

ohh, its evolution, that totally puts it into a new light

consider me mindblown

[deep copper]

i keep gif playing animation off, easy on the mind

[hollow dawn]

some gifs have great anims

[deep copper]

yes!

[deep copper]

it can be played if you click/touch it

MOA here gave this tip, i think, to keep it off

[bleak remnant]

Anything is reality if you think it is

[deep copper]

but i confirmed this with dieter !!

it's objective truth !

[hollow dawn]

thats not really how it works tho is it?

pile of donuts

no donuts :(

[bleak remnant]

Reality is just your conscience if you think about it

[deep copper]

i mean, if you hallucinate hard enough...

[hollow dawn]

that old sock you thought was a sandwhich will still be an old sock

[bleak remnant]

If you think there are ghosts everywhere and are seeing them there's no difference between if they actually did exist and you are seeing them

[deep copper]

you gotta trick all of your senses to believe your made up reality

[fleet tangle]

Your subjective reality is, sure. Reality itself? Not so much.

[bleak remnant]

Aslong as you don't get your reality broken by the sickness

[hollow dawn]

well, if you go into quantum physics, and whta little we know so far... then ya maybe, thoughts create stuff out of the blue possibly

[deep copper]

i think they mean it as, the brain only guesses what's real by stitching info it gets from its senses, so if the brain goes to wrong conclusion, that becomes its reality, the subjective reality for it

[hollow dawn]

thats true too

kasparow korsakoff syndrome and such

[deep copper]

never heard of that, gotta google i suppose

[bleak remnant]

Imo reality is kinda just a word, just like sanity

[hollow dawn]

alcohol disease, final state

[bleak remnant]

Bad example from me tbh

[deep copper]

google goes "Korsakoff syndrome (KS) is a disorder of the central nervous system characterized by amnesia, deficits in explicit memory, and confabulation." if i write that

[hollow dawn]

well, surfaces dont exist, time and space dont really exist, its just how we iterpret it relatively from or point of view, which is branded by our experiences, dna, and so on

[hollow dawn]

thats the one i mean XD

[bleak remnant]

Yeah pretty much what i was going for

[deep copper]

K or sak off, hmmm hard to remember tbh

[hollow dawn]

ye, kasparow is the virus scanner?

[deep copper]

i think this is why some people say everyone else and everything else is just their imagination and stuff at times

[deep copper]

i think that was Kaspersky

[hollow dawn]

-.-

[deep copper]

haha maybe you mixed a few words

[fleet tangle]

Confabulation. What a word.

[hollow dawn]

isnt that the normal state of humans?

[deep copper]

it sounds like congratulations and fabulous but it doesn't mean any of that

Confabulation is the use of imaginary experiences or made-up information to fill missing gaps of memory. Korsakoff syndrome consists of confabulation, confusion, and recent memory loss.

[fleet tangle]

Broken

[bleak remnant]

It can if I believe it to be

[hollow dawn]

isnt thats the stuff Plato taks about in his enlightenment cave story already, and some stoneage hairy people already chatted about most likely

[deep copper]

making up subjective reality is kinda like that website trick where you edit its local version in your browser to show you something else

[hollow dawn]

"dude, that sabertooth wasnt that big, it was just a kitten" "noo, really it was was HUUUGE" "ya right"

[deep copper]

if you convert that to old English or oonga bunga it suddenly gets a new effect

[bleak remnant]

Good example ngl

[hollow dawn]

like when you photoshop the burger king coupons to show chilli and cheese everytime?

[bleak remnant]

Although more short term

[deep copper]

yes i suppose !

[bleak remnant]

You'd realize instantly if someone changed it for you

You could go your whole life and never find out your life is a lie

[deep copper]

the fact that banana is a berry was an eye opener

even watermelon is a berry right

[bleak remnant]

Uhm

No

[deep copper]

The elongated tough-skinned fruits of the family Cucurbitaceae, including watermelons, cucumbers, and gourds, are a type of berry referred to as pepos.

[bleak remnant]

Or I'm 0 iq

Nope

It's not part of my reality

[hollow dawn]

lol

[deep copper]

reminds me, wasn't matrix also something like this, "he is beginning to believe"

[bleak remnant]

I refuse to cooexist with several feet length fruits that are considered berries

😂

[hollow dawn]

how huge are the bananas there? wow

[deep copper]

i remember having this convo before and the definition of berry is rather different

[bleak remnant]

Watermelons

[fleet tangle]

Watermelons ❤️

[hollow dawn]

oh ye... those get huge... tried to carry one home... was... you know Atlas? the dude who carries the world? i looked like him

[deep copper]

a simple fleshy fruit that usually has many seeds,

idk what "simple" in fruits mean

[hollow dawn]

they aint the smartest fruit on the bush

[deep copper]

but other than that, this makes watermelon and banana, berries

[bleak remnant]

Maybe shape wise? We'll never know though, it's just like a Shakespeare writing

[hollow dawn]

In common usage, the term "berry" differs from the scientific or botanical definition of a fruit produced from the ovary of a single flower in which the outer layer of the ovary wall develops into an edible fleshy portion (pericarp).

wiki

chilli, tomatos etc are berries too hence

[primal summit]

pineapple doesn't meet either definition

[deep copper]

it feels like they named stuff first then came up with the definition of berries

[hollow dawn]

wow, strawberries, rasperries, blackberries, etc aint berries lol

[deep copper]

yup

[hollow dawn]

who made up those words?

[primal summit]

taxonomy postdates human language...

[deep copper]

probably someone who thought small round things are berries

[hollow dawn]

thats like me cominginto a coding chat and telling people what any of those fancy words they use are

[deep copper]

then why did they use berries , why not use their regular long names

for scientific division

[hollow dawn]

they also have regular long names in an ancient language noone speaks anymore