lounge

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-robot-gif-9226335

[primal summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hellraiser-pinhead-what-coolstorybro-head-gif-4593768

They said it wasn't practical head armor...

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-awesome-blood-gun-skillet-gif-25775282

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-shadow-sunglasses-random-roasted-gif-14758599

[primal summit]

It's like someone has an idea about what parts are necessary, but not what they do, how they work, or why they exist. 1/10, not designed by an engineer.

so basically, it's a mercy killing

[broken sigil]

Lol

It kinda looks like something out of Subnautica

[deep copper]

🫂 💗

[timber viper]

https://youtu.be/5bId3N7QZec

Hashmap to solve everything

[deep copper]

solve me

[timber viper]

no thanks

[deep copper]

aren't you interested in problem solving?

wait i just essentially called myself a problem

[primal summit]

yeah, you'd take the extra 30 seconds to go around next time

[deep copper]

that's a good way to keep players invested for longer

[primal summit]

Going around, he'll get fired, so there's another mouth to feed, but it's ok, she didn't get cut off! The guy t-boned her car instead!

[deep copper]

😭 🫂 💗 💒

[tulip orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-sheldon-cooper-jim-parsons-big-bang-theory-the-big-bang-theory-gif-5618307

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/quarantine-time-skeleton-mopping-cleaning-mess-gif-16768912

[deep copper]

wait did you just call me a problem as well !? 💢

does that mean you are prepared to solve me ? ❤️

[tulip orbit]

no I just agreed with you

I'm not prepared to solve my own problems

[deep copper]

i can be another one of your problems !

[tulip orbit]

I dont need more!

[deep copper]

then i will be one of your solutions!

let's dissolve!!!

[tulip orbit]

sorry I dont have any plastic barrels, only the metal kind

[deep copper]

"when there's a will there's a way" !

or if* there's a will idk

[tulip orbit]

but I dont know anybody named Will

[deep copper]

we can make will <3

jk

[timber viper]

When you unintentionally forced to write "jk"

[deep copper]

gotta use safety !

[timber viper]

ikr

must be difficult

[deep copper]

yes
it is hard

it didn't work for dieter !

works for me so far

i didn't got striked when i used it !!!

i did get strike without it

thrice

i think

yes, now we can say with statistics, 100% times jk saved me

also, dieter probably didn't get 100% striked for every jk

so we can consider that time some, outlier or wrong error data sample

[timber viper]

lmaooo

what did he say

[deep copper]

he said bad things

[timber viper]

what kind of bad things

[deep copper]

even auto mod flagged him (i think?)

i don't really remember now 😅

wait does that mean my content is safe enough to be said without jk 🤔

i guess i will still add jk to avoid weird interpretations

[celest musk]

you should change your identity to avoid weird interpretations

[deep copper]

but identity theft is a crime !

[celest musk]

i haven't said that you should use a stolen one

[deep copper]

steal a fresh one ?

[celest musk]

create one

[fathom wadi]

deed poll

[celest musk]

how's the new pc doing marc?

[deep copper]

Tiona Te`Affec

[fathom wadi]

Im just about to find out. Just managed to get all dependencies for a new install of Visual Studio so im going to do a full rebuild and see how long it takes. Should be pretty swift 🙂

[primal summit]

or e^π*i+1=2

[fathom wadi]

all idle temps looking good. Lets see how hot this baby burns 🙂

[celest musk]

dang those idle temps.... do you have AC or live in arktika?

[primal summit]

affectionate_user implies a lot, like not necessarily a user of the system, but someone who gives affection as justification for using others for a purpose, or someone who uses people for the sole purpose of thrusting upon them unwanted affection

[celest musk]

there's an affectionate_user in all of us

well not in everyone, some just straight up shit on justification and use others for a purpose

[primal summit]

entertainment is a purpose too!

[deep copper]

actually this name is a random generated one by reddit xD

[celest musk]

reddit would never suggest affection

[deep copper]

i didn't think about it much back then

[celest musk]

now, that's something i believe^ guess why? 😄

[deep copper]

no idea, it probably did, or was something similar

[deep copper]

why? because I don't think 😭

[celest musk]

well you certainly do, just not... that much 😄

[deep copper]

i obviously can't when i am busy thinking of you <3

[celest musk]

true

[primal summit]

ugh... I have timecards and expense reports to fill out...

[deep copper]

goodluck!

i wonder when ai will autofill those.. actually after looking at those images it's better it does not xD

[primal summit]

but that's a problem for not-drunk-at-noon-on-sunday-on-out-of-state-business-travel me (no, I'm not on the clock until tomorrow)

[deep copper]

then, let's hold some fluffy chickens till then !

i wish i was a fluffy chicken 😔

[primal summit]

I have all the reciepts, but I've been on the road almost every day this month, so it'll be a 3 hour job

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-fluffy-silkie-chicken-disappear-gif-16919841

didn't know that fluffy chickens are a thing

[deep copper]

we had a talk about them a while back in lounge

they are fluffy

it reminds me of those soft toys and now i wanna kick one 😭

[primal summit]

silkies

[deep copper]

10 year exp and still junior?

also using c++ killer without knowing c++?!

[primal summit]

read again... it adds up to 30

and carbon's only been out a year

I mean a few days

[deep copper]

this must just be a fake troll post then for the memes xD

[fleet tangle]

It doesn't say no c++, just that it doens't count. 😛

[primal summit]

I saw it posted like this:

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/pak-carbon-pak-carbon-gif-24608546

[primal summit]

but for 160k a year I could get creative

[deep copper]

most probably a satire on nob recruitmen things !

job*

[primal summit]

🤣

[timber viper]

why would you require a photoshop skill from a developer

wtf

[deep copper]

so that coder and designer are in sync and integrated/ embedded together!

[primal summit]

I suspect that job won't be filled for a while

[deep copper]

they will hire the cheapest one that losely resembles it i guess

or maybe it's a trick question?! you gotta be aware enough to know carbon is recent

[fleet tangle]

About 10 years?

[primal summit]

they won't take c++ experience, but probably something else unlisted

[deep copper]

php

[primal summit]

10 years for a junior...

https://m.xkcd.com/810/

[primal summit]

ok, that sounded very very wrong

[deep copper]

?

[karmic badger]

https://tenor.com/view/meeting-isreal-very-cool-unreal-gif-18422505

[fleet tangle]

Older than the internet, my friend.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-engine-gif-24451679

[fathom wadi]

build still only using 4 cores. Feelsbadman :/

[primal summit]

why are those the cool cores?

[fathom wadi]

no idea

I guess its using the e-cores

disappointing tho as im 30 minutes into the build and i'm only upto >[263/5914] Compile Module.HeadMountedDisplay.gen.cpp

set my VS to use 20 parallel, maximum concurrent is unlimited. I must be missing a setting somewhere

[soft night]

weird it dont use P-Cores

[broken sigil]

Did you try adding

        <ProcessorCountMultiplier>2</ProcessorCountMultiplier>
        <MemoryPerActionBytes>0</MemoryPerActionBytes>

To BuildConfiguration.xml

ah

[pearl elk]

you never know maybe he's got a UPS 😛

[fathom wadi]

I guess if I set that I will have to restart the build tho yeah?

[fleet tangle]

It will continue where ti left off.

[fathom wadi]

strange but when I try to change it, it doesn't let me apply. So it keeps the balanced one. Not sure why that is

you mean this one?

[pearl elk]

ultimate intel graphics

[gusty star]

is it like this menu?

[pearl elk]

oh no its fake control panel eeek

[gusty star]

kek windows 10

i bet windows 11 is even worse for whatever they did menu wise

[pearl elk]

all the good stuff is hidden in the old style menus 😛

[gusty star]

ooo good to know

im was a bit wary since windows tends to make each release worse? or atleast they keep messing with the UI lol

[pearl elk]

I need the old menu every time I want to use device manager

[gusty star]

oooo

[pearl elk]

I wish they would just take the time to update it all rather than doing silly shit like moving the start menu button

I like the new control panel I just wish it had the functionality

must suck for people on 4k when they have to navigate those ancient non-resizable dialogs for drivers and whatnot

occasionally I have to go in there to disable a usb driver for my lights to start working again, its a major pain in the butts. Feels like Im going back to 1995

tiny little menu with a tiny scroll box in there rather than simply allowing it to be sized out

I'll upgrade once they gut win95 out 😛

Windows 20... Mons all grey beard and on 10 still like a loser

yeah I tried installing 10 on a new NUC, needed to disable the security chip

[gusty star]

windows xp was best windows change my view

[pearl elk]

but Im happy with my AMD stuff, its super fast, doubt there will be much reason to upgrade since most games are Unity and they look like shit 🤣

[gusty star]

Ye i'm also happy with my AMD processor at the moment.

[pearl elk]

omg I get 860FPS in CS Go, pffft plebs who get only 840FPS

[gusty star]

inb4 "those 20 frames matter!!?!??!"

[pearl elk]

so much input latency, causes me to lose

thats why I run in a 320P window

[gusty star]

ye, doesn't matter how fast your screen is if your reaction time is slowly being chewed away by age, and input latency screws you too

[pearl elk]

yeah younger people just have better hand eye coordination as well as the ability to see faster things, have a larger hearing range etc

its why gymnasts retire at 18

[broken sigil]

I think this channels is missing some grapes

[celest musk]

xD

[gusty star]

truly, pro gamers basically peak in their teens and early adulthood (reaction speed wise). im past that point, might as well make games.

[primal summit]

terror

[night grove]

those are awesome

[pearl elk]

I totally think there should be more games aimed at that middle age, not so much easy games but taking that accessibility issue into account more

[broken sigil]

Pretty sure your reflexes peak at the age of 25
That's when most pros retire too

[pearl elk]

I notice my hands get sore more now after alot of hardcore Doom Eternal, that game is pretty fast though

[gusty star]

You could make it strategy focused tho to take advantage of the whole crystallized intelligence thing

[pearl elk]

aiming isnt the problem its just how fast they expect you to do everything

[gusty star]

yeah

even starcraft/starcraft 2 calls it "actions per minute"

or something like this

[night grove]

This is the thing that kills strategy games for me. So much going on at the higher tier play.

They are even faster paced than FPS

[pearl elk]

well maybe just focusing on other skills rather than just manual dexterity

[gusty star]

I know what you mean lol. the only game like that I can bear is maybe company of heroes but im a nerd for historical games

[celest musk]

i still have pretty high APM in SC2

[night grove]

Once you have 3+ bases you have to toggle between. Throw in a few skirmishes. My brain NEVER worked that way.

[celest musk]

it's all about training

when i got back into sc2 i had a bunch of matches to get used to it again

[gusty star]

crusader kings 3 does a lot right for the strategy genre, even blending roleplay and rpg elements, and its sort of big-picture focused

[celest musk]

but you also adapt a bit, like no more hopping between bases, and rather do actions "blind" on hotkeyed stuff

but then, i only play zerg, where you dont have 1000 buildings to get stuff done

only hatcheries on hotkeys 😄

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-rocket-raccoon-smiles-gif-14735540

[primal summit]

AOE1 or AOM guys...

[pearl elk]

thats why I like SupCom it automates a fair bit of the clicky stuff away

[night grove]

Wololo!

https://tenor.com/view/age-of-empire-wololo-stuff-speaking-pointing-gif-16881722

[gusty star]

Man that next Valheim update can't come soon enough

[primal summit]

oh... they're building a wonder... let's just send 40 phalanx blindly to the slaughter to resolve it

[celest musk]

that's something i never managed

probably because i dont play with loud game sounds

[pearl elk]

its abit like TF2 one of the funniest things was watching a good BF or CoD player come in and get stomped because they wernt used to working so heavily as a team

they would just run out of the base all rambo get killed and rage

[night grove]

Really wish there was a more hardcore rpg game with survival elements

I get tired by the gathering -> building loop

[gusty star]

Make it AChromatic

make it about Nomads

fuck the building aspect

[primal summit]

how about something like factorio?

[night grove]

haha. Well... I am spending crazy amounts of time making an ANTI BUILDER!

[primal summit]

automate

[pearl elk]

crafting bores me so much, I like it but Ive been through the loop so many times in other games

[primal summit]

hardspace shipbreaker?

[fathom wadi]

ok I've set windows performance mode, edited the buildconfiguration.xml and nothing is working to stop this build only using the e-cores. Some posts say it's a windows 10 issue. But do I really need to use Windows 11 with a 12-gen?

[gusty star]

I like the games that are improving on the formula. Granted I don't play survival games often and tend to play a variety of games

[night grove]

3d Rampage in VR with chaos destruction like buildings

FR on this

I've been crunching 80 hour weeks for the past 7 months to do the destruction system

[gusty star]

damn dude

[night grove]

Its like Chaos Destruction + GAS - Chaos physics

Fully replicated. I will be posting about it on WIP soon

[pearl elk]

King of the Monsters?

[night grove]

I have some seem issues due to recently introduced GPU transform compression, but is the last thing I have to fix for production. Should be done in a few days.

[night grove]

Yeah similar

[gusty star]

I'm planning on working on a sci-fi gladiator game, with hyper realistic wound modelling/simulation and physics/destructible enviroments. tho honestly i dont know if i can pull it off as a solo dev whos inexperienced in unreal (but who knows unity/has done coding/has an arts degree)

[night grove]

I mean if you ask me enough I could post a really shitty gif with the stuff. I plan on making a polished video for WIP

[pearl elk]

sounds awesome, definitely keen to see it

[night grove]

I've been using low poly assets to keep level load times down

It's running at about 10 to 100x better perf than chaos. BUT THERE IS NO PHYSICS.

[gusty star]

even if you stick with the low poly assets, if you slapped some sort of post processing on it like cell shading itd look pretty wild I bet.

[night grove]

Targeting Quest 2 for it

[gusty star]

tho i can't say what the perf costs of pp specifically cell shading are

it just is an easy way to graphically punch up your visuals

[night grove]

this is irrelevant to the design of the system I've built

You can use nearly anything you want

[gusty star]

so fair

[night grove]

Literally just slap a "destruction transform" node with WPO and normal output into your graph.

Once Nanite has WPO support I'll have it nanite support as well

[gusty star]

WPO = world position offset?

[night grove]

Basically I've made a super complicated version of pivot painter

[gusty star]

xD

[night grove]

As in super complicated internals

[gusty star]

ye i feel you dude

[deep glen]

not sure quest 2 will have nanite support anytime soon

[gusty star]

I'm basically taking a break for the summer till september

and then its back to game dev

I was working on an isometric 2D city builder in Unity.

but I had to do janky shit to serialize the Monobehaviour unity class in XML and i got tired of Unity, taking a break earlier this spring/summer.

and some more recent Unity stuff makes me want to check out Unreal, along with Unreals consistent developments and despite some of the jank i'm noticing with UE, i'd still happily switch

Tho honestly I'm not sure what's tougher at this point, learning blender from scratch (with an arts degree in my pocket) or learning c++ (with java and c# under the belt)

I guess each will be there own set of challenges? idk what to expect honestly

[deep glen]

for the #cpp peeps here
https://twitter.com/jomaoppa/status/1550966113458077697

joma 🤏 (@jomaoppa)

how programmers overprepare for job interviews

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[night grove]

That's painful. Funny, and accurate.

I've not meditated quite like that. Does it help?

Maybe that's why I'm neurotic

I'm doing it wrong

[pearl elk]

did you check the other body parts?

[broken sigil]

Stray is amazing, would highly recommend playing it

[still thicket]

s

[celest musk]

alright, i'll get stray i guess 😭

peer pressure

[primal summit]

wait... so the answer to "How do you resolve a conflict with a coworker?" isn't "Amputate."?

[celest musk]

i was so tempted to watch streamers play it, but did cut the line because i was considering to get it

[broken sigil]

It's very good, it reminds me so much of the good old games from the PS2 era

[celest musk]

also i'm curious about how well they used UE4 😄

what i've seen so far looked promising

[heavy palm]

I had some performance issues, but it was very pretty the whole way through

[broken sigil]

I'm getting 120+ fps consistently but I'm getting some stuttering
Updating GPU drivers to see if that helps

apparently it's a known issue on PC, bit unfortunate

[celest musk]

well some comments said it compiles shaders on the fly, maybe that's causing stuttering?

[broken sigil]

might be

feels like that's the case

[celest musk]

should show if its mostly in new areas, or everywhere?

[broken sigil]

it feels pretty random to be fair, I've seen some people say that it gets better later in the game

[heavy palm]

it did

[supple apex]

<@&213101288538374145>
Is crossposting in more than 6 channels considered a spam?
Check cloudcorpbeats post.

[turbid spindle]

:triangular_flag_on_post: cloudcorpbeats#7392 received strike 1. As a result, they were muted for 10 minutes.

[timber viper]

Manny's message history is a mix of job posts and wall of shame

[viral copper]

I’d rather be banned at this point

If I can’t ask questions when trying to get things done and I get a “ strike “ or whatever I’d rather y’all just kick me

There will be other new people that come here needing help , and posting in relevant channels.

@supple apex thanks again for that.

But posting into relevant channels ?

This is ignoring the “problem “ covered several topics.

Iv litterally fixed it already but now those people that also can’t figure out what’s wrong with ue just won’t get the answer

And then “ let’s mute them “

Check the manny bot comment

Then let me put a flashlight on it

All cause I was asking “ where did this button dissapesred too “

And the button is relevant to litterally several topics.

[timber viper]

Did you post same question at multiple channels?

[viral copper]

It was relevant to multiple channels. Absoultly I did.

And I’m argueing it shouldn’t have been in the first place a offense

[spare glade]

Your issue maybe relevant to multiple channels, however that doesnt mean you spam it across all of them.

The #rules are quite clear on this.

[viral copper]

Topics cross boarders. Often. A button that corresponds to 5+ topics isn’t going to have the answer in just 1 topic. It’s likely their won’t be. In this case I argue it’s not spam because “ people in metahumans might not know this answer “ “ people in ue5 might not know this answer “

The rules need changed then or reevaluated

Can u imagine someone actually new coming in here ?

[spare glade]

We have had the same #rules for years, they are crafted this way because they work. They do not need changing.

It is spam, literally the definition.

[timber viper]

No one would throw a tantrum for posting something multiple times at multiple channels but one way or another it's disallowed by server rules

[viral copper]

They do not work

[spare glade]

Time to move on mate.

[viral copper]

Call it a tantrum or whatever. That’s just gaslighting the issue

[timber viper]

Did you ever consider maybe you're quite exaggerating the situation? A strike is not the end of the world

[viral copper]

It’s not about the strike. It’s about the principal

[timber viper]

Well rules exists to make everyone get benefit of the server not to limit you

[viral copper]

This litterally limited me

I didn’t go to all 40 chats

I went to the ones relevant

[timber viper]

That doesnt mean you can get answer from a single active channel if all is related

[spare glade]

The #rules are there for a reason, you came here looking for help, we didnt seek you out. You need to abide the #rules just like everyone else.

[viral copper]

This will turn away new people also

Then I’ll litterally make an issue about it online.

[spare glade]

You're more than welcome to do so.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/kramer-what-did-i-miss-door-open-gif-15073769

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-gif-7486618

[trail wedge]

There are only like 3-6 active channels anyway..... why not just post in the most relevant one of those?

If you wanna switch because you aren't getting help delete your old post and make a new one in another channel; but you gottta do it 1 at a time.

[spare glade]

That was unnecessary, this issue is over, there is no need to continue to bring it up, especially to poke at people.

[night grove]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

[spare glade]

Read the #rules please. Especially the first one.

[timber viper]

Is anyone able to find knowledge hub in google? Its never showing up, can't find it on dev community too

not answer hub

Epic released some articles from UDN a while ago

under knowledge hub

there were some optimization tricks, useful infos etc

[celest musk]

maybe they merged it into the docs?

at least, i've seen some optimization tips there (but that was already months ago)

is it in your vault? with all the other high confidential knowledge

[timber viper]

nah its literally looks like removed from web lol

but nah it was not leaked

it was just some useful info

oh ffs

its merged to forums

you were right

[night grove]

I did the same.... for the same reason. XD

[timber viper]

epic community team makes the worst decisions everytime

[night grove]

Was there a particular document you needed? I just have a bunch of copy pasted stuff that isn't very organized

[celest musk]

mind to share the link?

[timber viper]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/tag/kb

[pearl elk]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/docs

[celest musk]

oh, so those are UDN questions where they decided to make their answers public?

[pearl elk]

is this the same?

[timber viper]

yeah..

[celest musk]

god damn, that's a lot to read

[timber viper]

yes

not just questions but articles published from epic

whenever I see Amanda's that post when I click a wiki link I get a cringe

at least redirect them to new wiki page

[celest musk]

but at least they provided the wiki after that incident

so it wasn't thaaat bad

For more information, check out the Water system documentation page(s) 7.
Or this Inside Unreal Deep Dive (puns!) into the Water System

you are wrong

[pearl elk]

well least this social stuff is better than whats in the launcher

[celest musk]

i guess answerhub was merged to https://forums.unrealengine.com/tag/question

as there are some posts which i know already existed in answerhub

[pearl elk]

yeah looks like it, I have stats from AnswerHub on my profile

I like this tutorial thing, could be useful... if people dont just keep making it all as videos on YT 😛

[celest musk]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/c/answerhub/145

there, they even got a tag (even tho it doesn't seem to be consistent)

[pearl elk]

the databases are always gonna get messed up when they are transferred, answerhub was merged from the beta and yeah the forums have gone through alot. Shame my UDK posts are all gone

[celest musk]

Per the EULA, you owe “5% of all worldwide gross revenue actually attributable to each Product, regardless of whether that revenue is received by you or any other person or legal entity” including “b. Gross revenue resulting from … exchange of content created by end users for use with a Product.”

this is somewhat funny, considering that epic sold ingame items from fortnite outside of apples marketplace 😄

but still they want others to pay a fee for ingame purchases in games made with UE

[trail wedge]

but what about money received by illegal entities?

[celest musk]

so sell items to an imaginary company, sounds like a loophole

[trail wedge]

what if somebody drops the money and you just find it on the ground

[pearl elk]

just sell to an illegal entity, no warios

[celest musk]

that counts as person i guess

maybe... unless they don't identify as person

[trail wedge]

nah I just found this money on the ground

nobody knows how it got there

could be anybody's vbucks

[pearl elk]

traded my UE project for a rolex and a Merc with a boot full of strange white powder

[trail wedge]

anthrax?

[celest musk]

minecraft "actors" are entities

are they legal tho?

[trail wedge]

not if you pirate Minecraft

[celest musk]

now i got TileEntity ptsd flashbacks

[pearl elk]

honestly though I think the difference is Epic doesnt take that money and hold it as part of their processing, you can use any processing you want as long as you give Epic what they are asking for.

[celest musk]

yea, also the 5% seem to be kind of fair

i think apple had much higher fees

Apple App Store: 30 percent standard commission on apps and in-app purchases of digital goods and services

[pearl elk]

its easy to forget that Apple isnt just a store its money processing too, has its own credit cards and whatnot. I dont know the details but Im assuming you have an Apple account and transfer out of that

[trail wedge]

pubg on ue5 == 🍴

[celest musk]

they almost lost me at Everything we do at PP, ultimately serves one goal

[pearl elk]

who knows maybe UE just isnt suited to where they are going with their new projects

skillset of your developers has alot to do with it as well, you can tune things more specifically to the companies requirements

I think we'll run into an issue where we run out of new players, I feel like we're getting very close to capping out the potential and there are only so many gamers to go around.

Its all good to build a game capable of handling 100k players, getting that many to actually be active all at the same time is something else entirely

I feel like the future is in making games more flexible so they fit around peoples lives better rather than trying to be imposing through constant engagement

[celest musk]

i rather think that both will coexist

they serve different addictions 😄

[pearl elk]

Well I would hope that work becomes more flexible in the future but I dont see it happening when even the most technological savvy companies are very backwards

you would hope AI wouldnt just make out lives easier but also work for us so we can focus on family, gaming and whatnot

[zinc matrix]

https://youtu.be/MAG1LoaYVFI

My laptop fan broke and I am depressed

[trail wedge]

time to get a new fan off ebay

[zinc matrix]

Bu how do I change it ;~;

[trail wedge]

screwdriver

[zinc matrix]

I cannot get the back cover off

So many damn clips

[trail wedge]

watch a teardown video if you're unsure

and use a sponger or a guitar pick

[zinc matrix]

I can’t find one for my specific model

[trail wedge]

weird, I can usually find one for even obscure devices on youtube

[zinc matrix]

Mine has ads installed

[trail wedge]

what model

[zinc matrix]

But all I get is hdd teardown

[trail wedge]

that might be enough to figure out how to open the case

[zinc matrix]

Which is slightly different

[zinc matrix]

I got close the last time but I noticed the case was pulling the USB port

And I was like HELL N0

[trail wedge]

I dunno I've been taking stuff apart even if I don't know the right way my whole life

it's broke now, can't get worse

[zinc matrix]

True

But it can be dust

[pearl elk]

oh its not like a HP where you have to take the keyboard out from clips

[trail wedge]

if you break a plastic snap it won't matter it'll just be slightly shittier

[zinc matrix]

It’s one of the worse hp versions 😩

[trail wedge]

lots of laptops make you remove the kb first

[pearl elk]

I think in some HP the computer is attached to the keyboard lol

[trail wedge]

I'm loving my new laptop though... 2 nvme slots, just added a 2nd drive and maxed out the ram, very easy to remove bottom of the case (Asus Tuf Dash 15)

[pearl elk]

I loved the one I bought awhile ago, it wasnt any brand name some sort of generic laptop but its so easy to open up, metabox thats the one

[trail wedge]

it's funny though... 2 nvme slots and a 3060 TI; but no webcam (I didn't want one anyway)

[trail wedge]

just make sure to hold the fan blades still with a skewer or something so you don't damage the ball bearings spinning them too fast with your compressed air

[celest musk]

and so you don't fry your mainboard by generating high voltage in that process^

[zinc matrix]

Can the motor be fried?

[trail wedge]

yeh back-driving current is fun

[zinc matrix]

It seem like what happened is that I accidentally left it on whilst it was completing high resource task for a long time

[trail wedge]

yeh if it gets too worn out

[zinc matrix]

But how

[trail wedge]

dust can make it harder to move and then it wears out the bearings and the motor windings burn out

[zinc matrix]

The only other scenario in which it could have broken is when I dropped it on a tabletop

[celest musk]

xD

[trail wedge]

yeh obviously you can physically damage it too

[celest musk]

your laptop gone through a lot

[zinc matrix]

But it was only a medial tap

[trail wedge]

I had an external hdd die from 1 bump

[celest musk]

did it maybe bend the case?

[zinc matrix]

Like I just tapped the area where the fan is on the table top

[celest musk]

so that the fan is mechanical blocked

[zinc matrix]

No

[trail wedge]

yeh I've had that happen too but that's usually noisy and obvious

[zinc matrix]

No noise

[celest musk]

unless it's completely blocked

[zinc matrix]

I just tap on table top and and startup, and me laptop alerts me the fan ain’t workin

[trail wedge]

can you see the fan moving through the vent or is it not really visible with the case on?

[zinc matrix]

I can check that now actually

[celest musk]

also if it's visible, you could try to spin the fan with a toothpicker or something thin

[trail wedge]

well then it isn't, because your MB can sense if current is flowing to your fan

[celest musk]

to see if it can move fine

[zinc matrix]

It can also work and turn off

Because it’s senses it is blocked by dust or something

[trail wedge]

yeh

[celest musk]

must be a lot of dust then

[trail wedge]

or it's just almost dead

[trail wedge]

if it forms clumps it can be periodic blockage

[zinc matrix]

But the thing is it was working perfectly the last time I use it

[celest musk]

well, fans can break.... thats how my old gpu died 😭

[trail wedge]

dunno about your environment but dust also really loves to stick if there's tar from smoke (cigarette or other) in the environment

[zinc matrix]

Man

[zinc matrix]

No smoke

[celest musk]

yea, tar and dust is nasty

[trail wedge]

that's cool, was a real problem for me as a kid since both my parents smoked

[zinc matrix]

God this sucks

[trail wedge]

no it doesn't... your fan isn't working

[zinc matrix]

Haha

[trail wedge]

🥁

[celest musk]

worst thing with 2 smoking parents is driving somewhere in a car...

that's like hell

[trail wedge]

they kept the windows open when they smoked in the car, I just meant more for our poor home PC

never had to clean my PCs as much as an adult as I did when I was a kid

it was like monthly, now it's like never or when I'm about to upgrade anyway

[zinc matrix]

Good idea thanks I cannot believe I did not think of this before :p

[celest musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GntLaaZM3O4 xD

[still thicket]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928027791662923907/1000961506265006121/attachment.gif

[zinc matrix]

Woa wth

[zinc matrix]

3D fractal?

[reef relic]

Diffrent landscapse with caves i made with voxel plugin in pro,

[zinc matrix]

where do i ask about build problems?

[noble plaza]

#packaging ?

[zinc matrix]

okay

[zinc matrix]

bc when i try to make a build from the playtest section it doesnt work

i still havemt gotten a awnser on my change text problem

[cursive crypt]

Channels dont guarantee answers. Tho lounge gives you usually, tho not the ones you want.

[zinc matrix]

yea but yt didnt help either

[cursive crypt]

Did you try to give it money?

[zinc matrix]

how is tjat gonna help me find out how to save slider and checkbox values and how i make a text block change text to what a user put in a editable text block in a diff wigdet?

[cursive crypt]

It help you patience and persistence.

[primal summit]

I believe the answer will involve variables

[cursive crypt]

Also grapes.

[primal summit]

either in bp or c++

[cursive crypt]

kotlin?

[zinc matrix]

i tried but doesnt work and bp

[primal summit]

no thanks, gotta stay clean

[cursive crypt]

Never saw it btw, I heard is the new Carbon killer

[zinc matrix]

but does tje checkbox have a value?

[cursive crypt]

Or it was the opposite

[primal summit]

also ew, typed language!

is it too much to ask to have no preconceptions of the intent of the electrons in the silicon?

[cursive crypt]

This is kinda more specific question, try to look for how to save / restore game state and UI work in UE. There are tutorials and help, also channels for this context like #ue5-general etc.

[cursive crypt]

Someone was telling me yesterday about possible graphene cpus

[primal summit]

I mean, just because I used it as a string earlier doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to do floating point math on it now, before calling it as an instruction!

sure, it's a terrible thing to to, but it's my terrible to do

[zinc matrix]

ill try

[broken sigil]

MJ just got an update and it's like at least 50x better, absolutely insane stuff....

[noble plaza]

Whoa the Rider Perforce integration is so much nicer than the UE one. For one, it keeps track of the code changes as well, but the UI is so much clearer

[noble plaza]

The second and third shots look like a Battlefield marketing campaign, I'm digging it

[broken sigil]

It's ai uprising, looks sick

[noble plaza]

I think I got invited in, wanted to try generating a splash image or something for my viking game haha

[broken sigil]

Give it a shot, now it's better than ever (check announcements in that server to see how to use the new toys)

[noble plaza]

Think this is the promo art I had in mind

[noble plaza]

Yeah I will for sure, assuming free credits are still a thing 😄

[broken sigil]

Yeah they are
I feel I got at least like 20 people to try it lol

[zinc matrix]

Dude Imagine ai assisteed level design

Frickig awesome

[noble plaza]

Depending on what you mean by level design, it's already a thing - procedural terrain generation can be quite smart, especially with the right algorithms

[zinc matrix]

True

[noble plaza]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00371-020-01920-7

[deep copper]

bro mj is generating texture like images as well 😮

[noble plaza]

Michael Jackson is, no doubt, talented as fuck

[broken sigil]

This is getting into insanity levels of quality

[deep copper]

i have to say mj has really improved recently,
and so have the people using it xD

[broken sigil]

About to try even higher quality option

[noble plaza]

I wonder how many millions of GPU time $ were spent on it by now

[broken sigil]

Well I alone used about 80 by now lol

[deep copper]

it's also showing preview images at % complete,
the costs must be quite high

[noble plaza]

Oh inference is cheap, training is... not

[cursive crypt]

Man... You should rename yourself at this point to MidJourney Man

I don't think there is a point of return for you currently.

[deep copper]

looking at mj server
those images there are wallpaper tier , even if someone used some of them in production you wouldn't know

[noble plaza]

Generative art... artists will be a thing eventually.

It's basically programming art, except vague and non-deterministic

[deep copper]

exactly what i said weeks before! professional mj prompt writing would be a job

[cursive crypt]

Not really, in order to use an art you need to have a good specification of what you want.

Therefore, maybe there will be an AI command language 🙂

Currently that one is too limited in terms of style.

[noble plaza]

Non-artistic people can't describe shit, same way non-techy people can't produce good technical requirements

[cursive crypt]

YT will help

[noble plaza]

But they would also be touching things up likely

[noble plaza]

Well, software engineers are clearly a thing. There's always need for domain expertise

[deep copper]

the problem is cost, i am certain learning how to use this would be costly, for a one time thing, commisioning someone who uses it would be easier

[cursive crypt]

So, the new AI++ language will be a killer.

[noble plaza]

AI is a nebulous thing, a singular AI won't be a thing anytime soon at all

Best we can do currently is compose them of lots of modular, single-responsibility ones, which is insanely expensive unless it's purpose-trained

[cursive crypt]

"we are one" (synth music plays in background)

[deep copper]

also, let's not forget,
blue man is only sending us the style they like, MJ server has quite the variety there

[cursive crypt]

Definitely, app specific. As it is now.

I mean, can MidJourney generate recipes now?

[noble plaza]

I never claimed it did, so not sure what you're getting at

[cursive crypt]

I didn't claimed you claimed, so why you are claiming it?

Was a supportive comment.

[noble plaza]

My brain hurts

[cursive crypt]

Offload the GCloud, is cheap.

[noble plaza]

I made the HP bars bounce and that's enough art for me today lol

[cursive crypt]

That can be nice exercise for middle journey, generate health bars

[noble plaza]

GCP support is absolutely useless, except you log a ticket every 10th time which goes to an engineer who resolved it in 3 days and never tells you it's resolved lol

[cursive crypt]

Imagine how bored is that dude.

[noble plaza]

If AWS is an indication... not very. Cloud provider jobs are very frantic and demanding

[cursive crypt]

So tired before that.

[deep copper]

"i wanna be like a cloud, freely drifting the sky"

[cursive crypt]

@broken sigil if you wonder what to do, maybe try video game monster health bars? Or some kind of gui elements. Sounds curious.

[broken sigil]

Trying it but not getting great results, probably not enough training data in the current dataset

[zinc matrix]

👍🗿

🥔💀

I DONT WANT TO GO BACK

😭

[cursive crypt]

What is this whining for?

Have a beer, chill.

[tulip orbit]

he's probably british, they have no chill these days

[timber viper]

UK is a very chill country currently

something close to heaven

[deep copper]

atleast it looks cool, though not very hp like if it's blue

[bleak remnant]

What do you guys do to get motivation?

[gusty star]

going for a run usually gets me juiced. Otherwise i try to come up with a concept that i find exciting enough to keep working on, if that makes sense, and build hype to myself by planning out interesting ideas

[bleak remnant]

Ic

Thanks

[gusty star]

It also helps to find someone to discuss your idea with, ideally someone without any stake in game development

[broken sigil]

Waste my time using Midjourney and not regretting a second

[bleak remnant]

Idk what that is

[bleak remnant]

Idea for a game?

[broken sigil]

AI art generator

[bleak remnant]

Alright

[gusty star]

yeah

[bleak remnant]

Oh right

I just listen to music on Spotify for like 5 hours now because I'm not excited enough to do anything

[broken sigil]

To be fair it's more of an addiction at this point lol

[bleak remnant]

3rd picture is amazing

Just the fact it can draw a human model

[gusty star]

thats fair lol, you could open UE and mess around, maybe try to make something simple like a basic UI or a health bar or something, just for fun

[bleak remnant]

And the environment actually looks like it could be real and not random

[bleak remnant]

Alright I will try

[broken sigil]

I'm blown away by what it can do

[gusty star]

you got this 👍

if you run in to trouble, practice your google fu (google searching and asking the right questions)

and then come ask for help in the appropriate channel

[bleak remnant]

Alright I will

[bleak remnant]

Nice

I would've never guessed that was from an ai

[gusty star]

what prompt did you give it here? this is wild

[broken sigil]

Pretty crimson bride, character portrait, vivid, ultra detail, 8k, 4k, artstation, beautiful eyes, beautiful

[gusty star]

wild

[reef relic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w52GxdSifGg

[gusty star]

the texture and variety of "mark making" is pretty impressive

[gusty star]

honestly tho if you read this code you'd have a vague idea that its doing something bad. MasterBootRecord sticks out lmao

[deep glen]

holy grapenade.

[broken sigil]

It's crazy, they just had a massive update and it's even better than it used to be lol

Also generating a grapenade at the moment lol

[deep glen]

color me intrigued

[gusty star]

I found a post on the unreal engine forums comparing BP to C++ and at best c++ was 20 percent faster than BP and basically theres very little difference in the packaged version of the test

very interesting tbh

hmm the rest of the post people are really getting into the math damn lol

[broken sigil]

Holy grape grenade

[deep glen]

10/10 would throw at grape-hating vampires

[broken sigil]

😅

[deep glen]

looks quite neat

[obtuse hull]

hi is there anyone who can be a bit of a c++ mentor to me? my friend is a java guy and he's not able to fully answer my questions anymore xd

[tulip orbit]

so switch to java 🤪

[timber viper]

FBI agent monitoring this chat and trying to reason grape tantrum

[broken sigil]

Here is a vampire as well to go with it 😅

[zinc matrix]

she looks like she belongs in a castlevania remake

[broken sigil]

Lol

[timber viper]

French revolution but someone turned into vampire

[timber viper]

Can you try "korosensei angry form ultra realistic"? if its not taking too long of course

it's scary af and I'm wondering if MJ will be able to reflect that 😄

[broken sigil]

Lol

[noble plaza]

10/10 DP, brings back memories of being screamed at by scantily clad vampire things

But #cpp is pretty helpful. Extra helpful when you're confidently wrong though 🙂

[left granite]

tht would be me

[deep copper]

somethings are better left unknown

[cursive crypt]

Hmm... nice in way. Can be adapted.

[supple apex]

Concept artists gonna lose their jobs if this AI art thing keep improving.

[fleet tangle]

They just need to retrain to looking after the ai doing their job!

😄

[deep copper]

poor guys, though i guess this makes traditional drawing methods feel more special now

[supple apex]

Wonder if the AI will be able to learn C++...

[gusty star]

most of the insane photo-real concept artists I follow on IG use photobashing and other speedcompositing techniques to bang out work. the robots aint taking their jobs any time soon lol

also theres OpenAI Codex which github copilot is built ontop of (natural language processing to code)

[deep glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYbYvImd7Bw

one of the best gdc videos out there.

[deep copper]

that's cool

atleast, based on the description they wrote xD

[still thicket]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928027791662923907/1000961506265006121/attachment.gif

[primal summit]

Very nice!

[proud jay]

ngl, sometimes I'm amazed at how some people become "senior" while still appearing braindead

[noble plaza]

It's just a title, need either leverage or actual skills to get it. The latter is harder and out of reach for many 😄

SWE senior means sweet fuck all too, seen people with 2-3 YoE get it lol. It's like graduate->senior are the steps at some firms

[deep copper]

isn't it only "just be there for enough time" in many places

[proud jay]

yeah I guess it depends on the company

[deep copper]

and once you are senior there just change companies ez

[proud jay]

that's what I'm waiting for lol

they said I would be senior next january

I complained 2 years in a row now that I'm underpaid

so waiting for that tile

and then if the pay doesn't match I'm out of here

[noble plaza]

Out of co or country?

[proud jay]

company

[noble plaza]

I was looking to move to Europe like, now, and maybe to a big co as well, but RIP hiring

[proud jay]

about to build a house, not gonna move countries any time soon :p

wdym rip hiring?

[foggy path]

I was tech lead about 3 years into my professional career

[proud jay]

yeah I was lead programmer 2 years in

lead of a team of 2 😎

[foggy path]

But this was probably mainly because I knew more about JavaScript which was the language we used than the rest of the team

[noble plaza]

The economy, job market is slowing down particularly for big cos

[foggy path]

It was kinda funny because they originally got me on that project expecting more of a jr-mid guy I guess

They ended up also paying me more which was nice lol

[proud jay]

we're still hiring like crazy

[proud jay]

I also had a job offer once where they told me I could become tech lead after 6 months, cause no one in the team had ambition to do it lol

and I was like, no ty I don't want to lead a team without ambition

[foggy path]

I've been thinking about changing jobs recently but it's like... there's two things that I'm interested in right now: 1) Something that actually makes me go "hmm that's interesting" 2) Something that pays me very well

and #1 is pretty non-existent from the jobs I've seen so far and #2 is pretty hard to estimate by just looking at the job ads lol

[noble plaza]

That actually means the tech lead position is living hell, and no one on the team wants to deal with it, more likely

[foggy path]

Like I'll do something that doesn't excite me that much as long as it pays well... otherwise I'd rather do something that I'm actually interested in doing

[proud jay]

I'll see what raise they give me in january

[foggy path]

I've been doing ad tech for 8 years now and getting a bit tired of it lol

[proud jay]

otherwise there's enough opportunity

[noble plaza]

YES. Every job I look at is like "yeah, that's a tech job, doing coding and stuff. I guess it's fine"

[foggy path]

Yep

[noble plaza]

IDK if I'm just jaded as fuck or actually enjoying life for the first time in a while, but most jobs just sound like signing up for boredom and the most pointless shit day-in day-out

[foggy path]

I've been programming for 20 years so just being able to do some complex projects isn't that interesting in its own at this point lol

[noble plaza]

IDK about EU, but in AU there's going to be trial periods of sorts. During recessions, those trial people get dumped very quickly, should things go wrong

It's just hard to move to another continent when you don't know if you're lasting more than a few months in the job, without much of a backup plan

[noble plaza]

What is interesting then? A project you care about, non-tech wise?

IDGAF about tech mostly, just don't be PHP or something obscure. A tool's a tool, and the state of the codebase has more of a bearing on the job anyway.

[foggy path]

I'm not sure tbh. Something that has an interesting tech stack might be it, like I'm interested in learning more Haskell and working on UE stuff for example

But I don't have any actual professional experience making games and such and remote jobs in UE are pretty non-existent as far as I can tell, or pay like ass

and Haskell jobs in general are just hard to find lol

[noble plaza]

Maybe you can go work on Verse, join the ex-Haskell dude at Epic

[foggy path]

If the business itself did something that I'd find interesting that might also do, I like working on B2C and B2B stuff as long as the product is at least somewhat interesting

Nah I don't think they hire remotely at Epic lol

I have no interest in moving anywhere

[noble plaza]

Sauna connaisseur I assume 😅

My city is apparently known for having the more boring selection of the tech jobs out of the big 3 cities here, so RIP me

[foggy path]

I have a sauna in my apartment but I use it maybe a few times a year so not really

[proud jay]

yeah here, they don't have the luxury of that really, there's too much demand

if you require people on a trial period, you will find no candidates

[noble plaza]

Is EU generally better for game dev? Salaries seem squashed in general, and the worker protections are a bit stronger as well. Sure there are many exceptions though

[proud jay]

idk, I'm not in game dev anymore

but comparing EU salary to AU salary is like not relevant

cost of living is way different

[deep glen]

dieter got promoted to meme

[noble plaza]

Countries like Germany have some insane notice periods like 3-6 months too. I negotiated a company down when they wanted 8, it was absolutely wacky. Normally 2-4 weeks

I wouldn't move to EU for the $$$ anyway haha. Well, maybe except NL or CH

[proud jay]

notice period in belgium depends on how long you worked there

and who initiated the resignation

[noble plaza]

I mean game dev -> SWE salary gap

[foggy path]

Yeah it's pretty nuts to have several months notice... like what are you gonna do when the employee stops doing their work properly and just coasting because they're leaving anyway

[proud jay]

e.g. if you quit after 2 years, there's a 5 week notice period, but you can take holidays during it if you want for example, and have 1 day a week that you can take of to apply for jobs

if the employer fires me after 2 years, they have to give me 9 weeks notice

they can tell me to not come to the office anymore, but they are required to pay me for that period

[noble plaza]

LeetCode probably 😛

[foggy path]

I still have no idea what that is lol

[noble plaza]

Which I hope isn't too common a thing should I start applying there, hate wasting time learning inane shit that's completely orthogonal to any work I have to perform

It's an algorithm question practice platform

[foggy path]

Yeah that much I did figure out lol

[proud jay]

I never had those dumb ass questions on interviews myself

[noble plaza]

Yeah I got laid off and I got 1 month 'notice' but was just paid out of contract essentially

[proud jay]

that seems like an american thing to me

[foggy path]

I'm probably just gonna end up asking from my contacts on linkedin if they've got anything interesting

Guy I know who runs a crypto ETF platform asked me many times to work with him, I might hit him up and see if he's gonna pay me a lot of money to look the other way about how I feel about crypto lol

[noble plaza]

Yeah I haven't applied for jobs since before my first one I believe, I just get recruiters reaching out or get internal referrals from peeps I know. Going to be very different applying in EU

[torpid star]

what do you mean? It’s a global market now, anyone telling you anything about local salaries has outdated job market views.

don’t buy into the locality thing, doesn’t work for remote anymore

[proud jay]

well, it will be local, just to the place you work instead of the place of the office

[noble plaza]

So AWS pays US$500k for senior engineers in Belaarus?

[proud jay]

damn, I need to move

[foggy path]

Hah, yeah no it doesn't work like that

Nobody is going to pay you Bay Area wages here

Nobody

:P

[proud jay]

world outside of america exists???

[torpid star]

Nope, I can speak from experience when I say it’s a global market. When negotiating salaries you should make it clear that it’s a global market.

[noble plaza]

To quote Rammstein - "we're all living in America, it's wunderbar"

[noble plaza]

Not sure if you're kidding, but aside from a few exceptions it's not a global market at all

[foggy path]

I'll bet you 1000 eur that you aren't going to find anyone that will pay you 120k where I live in tech sector

[noble plaza]

Even remote positions normalise to your location

[torpid star]

If you can get past the HR screen and pass the leet code stuff sure? But 500k is like way above senior in the software company lingo

[noble plaza]

Sure, but no one is paying that to someone in not-SF/NY

[torpid star]

Keep telling yourself that. If it’s a global market why should you get paid less for the same work someone does 500km away? Also using the outlier that is SF is an exception, not every tech company is based in that region.

[foggy path]

Yeah it just doesn't work like that

A company which doesn't make millions and millions cannot afford to pay you 120k

no matter how fucking godlike you're at negotiation :P

[noble plaza]

You sound like a cryptobro right now. Don't do that.

[torpid star]

Obviously, but that’s not what I said or implied is it?

[foggy path]

What exactly were you trying to say then if not that?

[torpid star]

I’m trying to say when applying for global job (be it at FAANG or a new startup) don’t disqualify yourself from an appropriate global market wage.

[foggy path]

Right okay, yeah that makes some more sense lol

It kinda depends on where the "office" is that you're technically "tied to" even if you're not physically going to be working there

But yeah if you're going to be working for Amazon in California but you live in I dunno somewhere in the middle of nowhere

Absolutely insist on getting California salary.

[proud jay]

I think your perspective is shifted by being american

[torpid star]

Who?

[noble plaza]

Look up the salary disparity between Switzerland and Italy for example. Global market is a weird thing to get hung up on

[proud jay]

you

[torpid star]

Not American.

European

[proud jay]

but you work for american company

[torpid star]

Exactly, global market.

[proud jay]

yeah, but an EU company is not going to pay the same

[foggy path]

I was paid 120k a year by a startup located in San Francisco when I worked for them

and I live in an area where you'll be lucky to get paid 60k

They paid their local employees in that range so they paid me in that range

[noble plaza]

That's not a common arrangement though. More common in not-big companies, since the big ones establish global scaling

[deep copper]

considering what you said, probably because a lot are leaving as well i guess

[foggy path]

Yeah smaller companies will try to pay you less, they don't make so much money

[proud jay]

not more than usual

we just have a shit ton of work

[foggy path]

But big corps you absolutely do want to try and get those salaries because you know they can afford it

(of course ymmv but in any case)

[noble plaza]

Eh SWE 'small' companies here still will gladly pay US$~150K for senior engineers. Hard to attract good candidates off a dream at best

[deep copper]

okay there's too many messages to read i give up, peace out

[foggy path]

Yeah it's a bit tough to say

[noble plaza]

Read them in a Fibonacci sequence

[foggy path]

We have an office in Vancouver and sort of in New York

[torpid star]

That’s a fair point. It is a global market so you can find remote jobs where the pay is better. I don’t mean except a huge salary/stock options from your local software company. That’s ludicrous.

My overall message is don’t nerf yourself based on your own location. The competitive market is global, companies might try to convince you otherwise but it’s true. It’s a sellers market right now and you should make that concept clear when negotiating!

[foggy path]

and we can't really afford to pay that much... as much as we'd like to be able to

[deep copper]

you'd like to pay huh

[proud jay]

you should pay me

I will accept all 100k+ offers on the spot

[foggy path]

also there's a bit of a problem with a lot of those remote positions for US companies... they generally require you to be in US or Canada due to timezones

I've seen some vaguely interesting jobs and then it says that and it's like.. I guess not then

lol

[proud jay]

also taxes are such a shithole when you work for US company

[foggy path]

Depends on your location.. it's not too bad here because I just get paid similar to a consulting company would

[noble plaza]

At least you aren't an American working in Belgium. At that point, you'd be better off Venmoing people fo rmoney lol

[foggy path]

I don't need to file anything to the US for it

[deep copper]

||psst, you forgot to mention the currency!||

[proud jay]

yeah it makes more sense to setup a company for yourself if you're working for foreign company

[noble plaza]

If you're keen on Go and Australia, I know a position...

[proud jay]

no ty

Go is nice though

[foggy path]

Tbh it would be nigh impossible otherwise here

[proud jay]

started learning it recently

I wonder how hard HR would block a SWE position based purely on language

[noble plaza]

Go is like programming with legos, so minimal yet capable

[proud jay]

like if you have 5 years xp in c++, but like 1 in Go on a non-professional basis, how feasible would it be to get a Go job

[noble plaza]

Recruiters, very. I get pinged for Java while I have JS experience, on the other hand...

[proud jay]

I guess that depends on company

yeah lol, a recruiter set me up for a .NET interview once

she forgot to mention it was VB.NET and not c#.NET

[deep copper]

i can see that, i know way too many people who mistaken the two

[proud jay]

also dudes randomly sending me jobs for full-stack or front-end development

[noble plaza]

Yeah when I was hiring for Go I basically told HR "at least 2 years of experience in an OOP programming language like Python, Go, C#, Java, etc". Learning Go for someone competent takes like a week or two

[proud jay]

I have never touched any fron-end in my life

[proud jay]

yeah it's actually surprisingly easy

I think I got the hang of most of it in a few days

the only slightly more complicated thing is the goroutines

[deep copper]

do you like it?

[proud jay]

maybe the interface setup

yeah liking Go a lot atm

[noble plaza]

The tour of Go takes a few hours and you're equipped to understand the gist of almost everything already. It's pretty nice

[proud jay]

and it made me like Rust a little bit more as well

[deep copper]

sounds like i should give it a Go

[proud jay]

yeah Go really has one of the nicest "getting started" tracks I've seen

[noble plaza]

Yeah Svelte made me like (or at least accept) React a lot more haha

I'm guessing you know about Effective Go?

[proud jay]

yes

[foggy path]

We're probably migrating to Svelte

[proud jay]

going through it still

[foggy path]

currently AngularJS 1

[noble plaza]

Fucking love Svelte, such a productive experience

[torpid star]

Condolences, at least it’s not angular2.

Also why Svelte?

[foggy path]

Yeah that's the reason why I said we should use Svelte, nobody our team really knew about it

[torpid star]

Why not something like React?

[proud jay]

thinking of pivoting away from c++ for next job, at least C#, maybe some Go or something else if I'm competent enough

it's refreshing working in languages that are not 40 years old

[noble plaza]

Tour of Go was day 0, Effective Go was the second an last step for Go learning, then I threw people at a few code reviews to shadow, then a bug ticket. They'd be ready for small tasks by then, about 2-3 weeks in.

[foggy path]

Because Svelte has all the benefits of React but it requires less boilerplate and works in a more straightforward way I think

[proud jay]

I now work in both c# and c++ and sometimes needto implement the same feature in both and c++ is such a drag at thatt point

I mean, it's still fun, but damn I miss some of those nice features

ok, need to go to gym now

[torpid star]

All I know is that no one really used Svelte for anything real and market for developers is limited when compared to React.

[noble plaza]

Go get that pump!

[foggy path]

It has a bunch of users but yeah nowhere near as many big names as React

but for a React developer to move to Svelte should be fairly trivial as it follows the same basic principles

[torpid star]

Right but seems like you’re shooting yourself in the foot as you don’t get all the goodies that the react ecosystem provides. So many problems have been solved in that space already, insert reinventing the wheel metaphor.

[noble plaza]

Decathlon seems to use Svelte, as well as that Rust game dev studio in Sweden

[noble plaza]

People are allowed to just use things they like using 😅

[foggy path]

Well, our application is so complicated that many 3rd party tools are not good enough

[noble plaza]

If I had to use React for personal projects, I just wouldn't do them

[foggy path]

We use several and we're running into various problems and bottlenecks in them which are so hard to solve that we might as well write them from scratch

[noble plaza]

Svelte's actually fast as fuck too, since the compilation step bakes in the updates

Was crucial for enabling my thesis project at all

[foggy path]

also at least for me the reason I really like Svelte is that using it feels like "the right way"... instead of feeling like you're writing some hybrid JavaScript thing, it feels like you're just working on regular HTML+CSS+JS

And yet you're avoiding the problems you have when you work on those directly (eg. it gives you scoped CSS and modular JS components)

[torpid star]

Of course they are, but everything comes at a very real cost.

[noble plaza]

• the separation of concerns, even within the one file, is so nice. It's actually kinda similar to game dev, very reactive and event-driven, with a lot of composition being the easiest way to go about things

?? I have 0 plans to do React at a job, while I enjoy using Svelte for when I want to do a web app. Not sure there is any cost attached there

[foggy path]

You can sort of get that with React and for example styled-components, but it doesn't feel as "natural" in a sense

[torpid star]

Really? Is there something magical that Svelte does?

React 18 + functional hooks is really nice.

[foggy path]

I think it's that it feels like you're working on a regular HTML file, basically it's just like this:

<style>
put styles here
</style>
<script>
put scripts here
</script>

<div>foobar</div>

and that's a valid and good Svelte file

and it "just works"

[noble plaza]

https://component-party.dev/

[cursive crypt]

I swear, net langs are growing like mushrooms after rain.

[foggy path]

Also I don't think it does anything super special about perf or such

it doesn't use virtual DOM so in some instances it's faster than React but the performance between them in general is fairly similar

[noble plaza]

It does, no vDOM and it bakes updates instead of computing them

[torpid star]

What’s the difference between baking and computing them?

[foggy path]

There's some things in React which seem interesting like the asynchornous rendering bits they've been adding lately but I've not really looked at it

[noble plaza]

By baking I mean it compiles them into JS operation, so less CPU cycles spent figuring out what to do

[torpid star]

How does that work?

ELI5 please

[foggy path]

Well one thing it does is it knows what it needs to update and it just does that instead of having to do it through vdom

because Svelte is effectively a compiler and not just a library

[noble plaza]

Wow that's obnoxiously long

[foggy path]

so it can take advantage of understanding what you're trying to do and compile it into efficient dom modifications, without needing the extra vdom step

[noble plaza]

https://dev.to/joshnuss/svelte-compiler-under-the-hood-4j20

[torpid star]

Hey I was reading that!

[deep copper]

that's what s-

[noble plaza]

vDOM is an in-memory DOM being diffed against the actual DOM frequently, then sometimes performing the update operations on the real DOM again. The minor shit, which I really cared about, takes a bit longer in React

[deep copper]

what is svelte for btw

yes i didn't read this full convo

[noble plaza]

It's a framework for building web apps

Like React, Vue, etc

[deep copper]

i see i see 🤔

[torpid star]

okay so it codegens your fancy svelte script into actual JS, did I get that right?

[noble plaza]

Yup, which removes the need for a vDOM since you're getting efficient updates without having to maintain an diff a second DOM

[torpid star]

Why does react choose to have a vdom in the first place?

can’t it just use the dom straight up?

[deep copper]

it wanted to see you react about that i guess

[noble plaza]

DOM is expensive to update and even query, or at least it was historically

Since React is all about DOM updates, the vDOM minimises the amount that need to be done, by first verifying it's necessary in the first place

[deep copper]

explains why big companies use it

[torpid star]

Ah so it’s form of bundling a set of updates and then applying them at the end of the frame

[foggy path]

Yeah DOM updates are still slow

[deep copper]

and since they already use it they don't move on

[foggy path]

Probably not as slow as they used to be

But sufficiently slow for it to be a problem in many cases

:P

[torpid star]

wouldn’t that be an issue for svelte though? Since it’s actually modifying the dom through the codegend js?

[foggy path]

well it can do a batch update similar to how react would do it

it just doesn't need to do the diffing

[torpid star]

oh, how the heck does it do that?

[mossy nexus]

Dom is the Jaws theme tune - Dom Dom, Dom Dom domdomdomdomdomdom DOM dom dom dom dom Dom Dom.

[foggy path]

because it knows which variables you're updating when you do something (as it's a compiler and it sees what you're doing) and thus can determine what needs to update in DOM from that information

[noble plaza]

on topic, it's Wadstein's intro. Tomatoes?

[foggy path]

https://tenor.com/bb0NV.gif

[torpid star]

Oh I see so any pending changes end up being executed at the very end of the frame. Cool!

[noble plaza]

I wonder what the effect on mobile browsing would be, power consumption wise. The vDOM process isn't free, and people use heaps of web apps now

[deep copper]

considering the population and usage, we could've probably done more than light a few lightbulbs with that !

[torpid star]

A lot free memory would be my guess, a fully duplicated DOM in JSs GCd memory isn’t cheap. Plus not having to do GC reachability on the tree sounds good

Sorry on mobile 😅

[still thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-cat-wawa-fast-discord-oh-the-misery-cat-gif-25805989

[deep copper]

it's okaay 🫂

[torpid star]

https://tenor.com/view/space-personal-space-what-stop-excuse-me-gif-5196362

[deep copper]

we can experiment with it to discover it !

let's be adventurous!

and hence mark decided #lounge has nothing more left to offer at this time and left

[noble plaza]

I'm just sitting here wondering if a black metal song could work in fingerstyle, except I have 0 fingerstyle skills

Maybe I'll bribe my friend to try it if he has time

[deep copper]

i have 0 idea what those are but if you try it could certainly work for someone around the world

[noble plaza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0rqG2QL_w

Intro is actually acoustic, but some of the more interesting parts are not

[tulip orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/mess-tom-hardy-venom2-let-there-be-carnage-cooking-gif-23241104

^ I'm making a UI

[deep copper]

cool!

[deep copper]

atleast it looks aesthetically pleasing!

[tulip orbit]

...yes.. sure it does

time for sleep soon I think

[deep copper]

sweet dreams! don't bite the bed bugs!!

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-hologra-shirakami-fubuki-fubuki-bike-gif-21964083

driving the 1972 vibes road to home was interesting

[deep copper]

more like in home

[timber viper]

I just pushed an AI tutorial to Unreal Dev Community that I'm trashing Fortnite and Epic inside of it

Hope they accept after reviewing 😄

[deep copper]

goodluck! they probably will if they agree!

[soft night]

some old and filming setup like 72

[cursive crypt]

I see something.

[soft night]

Jarno Saarinen focused tv-series called ride out the filming location as its based 72 so set is like that

[deep glen]

@broken sigil midjourney has nothing on this

[broken sigil]

That's straight out of a horror movie 🥲

[deep glen]

ikr

[broken sigil]

I will now see that in my nightmares lol

[trail wedge]

no.. it will see you (200 times)

[night grove]

Why is the ocean full of so many horrors?

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-robot-gif-9226335

[fleet tangle]

Yogg Saron!

[deep glen]

hehe

[deep glen]

its like insects, but under pressure.

[cursive crypt]

micro world is weird in general

[soft night]

if want more to the filming https://www.instagram.com/p/Cgbtl6dtTUt/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

imatrankaupunki

Magnus Collin pääsi tänään päristelemään vähän vanhemmalla moottoripyörrällä, kun Ride out -sarjan kuvaukset alkoivat Rajapatsaalla.

Ride out:ia kuvataan Suomen lisäksi muualla Euroopassa, kuten Kroatiassa ja Italiassa.

Imatralla kuvauksissa vietetään kolmasosa, ja kuvataan vuoden 1968- ja 1972-kisat.

Imatralla kuvataan nyt toista kesää peräk...

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[broken sigil]

You can have some questionable angels

[deep glen]

hnng

[cursive crypt]

It has wings, so it is at least a chicken

[broken sigil]

That is true

[cursive crypt]

Aren't there some happy angels? Looks depressing work otherwise

[deep glen]

ooh ooh

@broken sigil could you push this trough MJ with all the omg high end visual tags ever?
https://fantasyanime.com/phantasystar/images/ps4wallpaper01_3840x2160.jpg

(but no hard feelings if you say no)

[terse wasp]

One of my favorite RPGs of all time

[deep glen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/QaN6eYS5k4nja

^ x10000

(same btw, if that was not clear)

[terse wasp]

Oh yeah - it was definitely clear 😅

[deep glen]

im super-slowly working on a spritial successor/heavily influenced by it (and a few other 16-bit era rpg's)

[zinc matrix]

https://youtu.be/VMZftEVDuCE

I are depress

[terse wasp]

I saw someone trying to do the same thing in Godot, but that was a few years ago. Don't think anything has come of it.

[broken sigil]

It did something 😅

[deep glen]

1st one is like hyperlightdrifter and phantasy star 4 had a lovechild

[broken sigil]

Yeah haha

[deep glen]

2nd one is eerie af

imma keep that one

[night grove]

Wow those are amazing

STAHP TEMPTING ME MJ!!

I don't have time to spend hours feeding prompts into the computer

I mean I kinda do that all the time anyways (c++), but with the goal of earning pay eventually

[deep glen]

actually got a writing tutor who is teaching me all that is writing screenplays, meanwhile gathering info, designing stuff, yada.

[terse wasp]

I'll be your first wishlist 😅

[broken sigil]

My addiction might be too strong to stop now lol

[night grove]

Can't stop won't stop!

[deep glen]

jfc haha

[deep glen]

whoo

one thing is for sure, i'll go balls deep insane on the vfx

my goal for it is basically that almost any skill/magic can combine with eachother

though, i'll probably have to set a hard-goal else i could make new shizzle for years.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/eloheem-uriel-gif-9488743

[timber viper]

thats.. thats quite high count of images

[pearl elk]

is that 2pac?

[broken sigil]

I've heard you wanted some angels that aren't depressing so here you go

[pearl elk]

definitely neither 😛

[zinc matrix]

My laptop died so I can’t even

[terse wasp]

I was going to say, "If you're working on it, I expect top-notch vfx." but I had to take my dogs out 😅

[terse wasp]

This is kind of like Two Worlds 2 system.

[deep glen]

havent played that one

watching a video atm