latest-updates

[wise oxide]

thats not even smart to be this greedy if they where cheaper less people would pirate it + why would a useless model or music pack cost so much? should be free

we are paradox slaves paying for slop

9 year old game btw

[coral drift]

While getting it free is impossible, it should be affordable for its playerbase.

I remember a Polish user in the forums saying that they was charged way more compared to Brits relative to their purchasing power.

I laughed in Indonesian

(would still try to save my money for replacing my laptop's motherboard first, though)

https://tenor.com/view/tertawa-tapi-terluka-gif-2030246399388327446

[autumn tundra]

Can it get flowcharted? If the ai has x amount surplus, can it automatically scrap it? Dont know much about programming tho

[uncut tulip]

Paradox games all run like shit late games

Like all of them

[hollow lion]

Ck3 is somehow worse than HOI despite an engine that uses all cores so heavily that I use it to stress test my overclocks

[uncut tulip]

So real

[uncut tulip]

Id feel bad asking the devs why their engines are like that, like a douchbag, but i actually want to know like how tf

[copper trellis]

how yall going after da update

[solid gyro]

In the game, the historical path for South Africa makes it stay Democratic. However, it cannot ever go independent because doing so requires them to do a focus that is not available in the historical focus tree. So they are stuck as at best a Dominion forever unless UK goes down the ahistorical decolonization route.

Obviously, South Africa's historical political situation is also depicted very poorly in the game. Historically, the United Party (UP) and the Nationalist Party (NP) were in a constant tug-of-war, with the former generally representing Anglophile whites and their interests and the latter generally representing Afrikaaners and their interests. Opinions on segregation would also come to be split between these parties, with the UP softening on segregation and wanting to expand voting rights to blacks by the mid-to-late 1940s and the NP wanting to implement Apartheid. It was the NP's upset victory in 1948 that made South Africa implement Apartheid. If the UP had won that election, a highly plausible alternate history given that they got more votes and only just barely lost on seats, then we likely would've seen a very different post-WW2 history of South Africa.

[hollow coral]

I use a mod for that already

Thank god for paradox to give ningxia unit models but not manchukuo

[solid gyro]

Yeah… it's a shame

I brought it up in the forum

[solid gyro]

“Desperate defence really shouldn't be a doctrine at all, but an event for Germany when they have surrender progress against the Soviets. It's meant to reflect the Volkssturm.”

[grim dew]

Guys who's cooler Tajikistan or Azerbaijan

Not in game btw

Like flag

[grim dew]

5% rec pop is smth for a doctrine

[grim dew]

@solid gyro

@coral drift

@hollow coral

[solid gyro]

Tajikisran

[solid gyro]

can Sardar Shah Mahmud Khan be added as a a general? i see no reason not to as he was a high ranking military official and Afghanistan needs more generals. Also please can we get unique high command or let them be ironman moddable?

adding onto that can we have King Zahir Shah and Amanullah as field marshals too? King Zahir Shah recieved formal training in an Infantry school, had positions as deputy minister of war and as King was Commander in Chief of the armed forces. King Amanullah was also directly involved in Military Leadership as he commanded forces in the third anglo Afghan war

[green scaffold]

it doesn't make sense that stuff will only be available to specific countries because they historically lost ww2 in a game focused on alternative history

but its also stupid that currently Germany can't have desperate defense in an historical game now

[solid gyro]

A monument for Australia should be Sydney Harbour Bridge

[hollow coral]

Yeah most likely

Thats the only landmark i can think of other than the old parliament house

[solid gyro]

Can you make all the warlord leaders field marshals aswell? pretty simple change and makes sense since yunnan, shanxi and sinkiang dont have their warlords as starting generals
'

[green nest]

Honestly not bad concept

I only hope there will be a way to automate it

Otherwise it would get really annoying, especially in the late game imo

[hexed shadow]

... man, the amount of micromanagement the next DLC's HQ stuff is going to require has me really, really worried.

The game is already insanely crowded with buttons you need to constantly keep clicking if you don't want to mess things up, and now they're going to add even more things you need to constantly keep clicking on your units.

[drifting star]

Imagine all of your generals being captured

[rocky escarp]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/dev-corner-2601006-taog-army-hqs.1899350/post-31107554

[green scaffold]

time to mod mios out of the game

[hollow lion]

Some mods do it I think, so probably possible

[hexed shadow]

At least you can queue up traits on those, they aren't as click-heavy as stuff like the Bulgaria political decisions or the faction goals where the AI will snipe you and pick a garbage goal if you aren't fast enough on the click.

[green scaffold]

yea ai shouldn't be allowed to pick faction goals when there's a human in the faction

or like

they should remove a lot of trash goals

and rules

[hollow lion]

AI quite often picks dumb rules when Im faction leader, havent seen them pick goals yet

[fresh cedar]

So is applying a general to any army optional? Or do you have to do that now in order for the bonuses to effect divisions? Just seems risky to have them on the map

[hexed shadow]

It seems like it would boost the effectiveness of commander abilities at the cost of increased risk, limited range, and the need to constantly babysit the division to which your general is attached so that you can pull them out when they're in danger and relocate them if you need them elsewhere.

[proven salmon]

Is this a good tank design or nah? Playing with cheats on btw

[fresh cedar]

Micro hell for SP, but probably good for MP

[hexed shadow]

The opposite. Singleplayer at least has the luxury of regular pauses, and the AI is bad enough that players wouldn't necessarily be pressured into deploying generals and wouldn't need to worry as much about getting their generals encircled. Multiplayer doesn't have pauses and has way more cutthroat players, so the micromanagement is going to be much worse.

[fresh cedar]

Micro has literally always been the main feature of multiplayer. They are already en masse microing divisions

Meanwhile SP can just battleplan

So naw it’s not opposite

[hexed shadow]

... have you played multiplayer in HoI4?

[fresh cedar]

Have you?

[eternal arch]

if capturing generals is a mechanic then encirclements should have a pow mechanic too

[stable tusk]

I think it should be optional with the general giving their normal bonuses but if you want you can make them give better bonuses but on a more concentrated space

[fresh cedar]

Feel like treatment of POW’s would be a topic HOI4 devs would avoid

[fresh cedar]

That’s how I interpreted it

[eternal arch]

i feel like pow treatment is relatively tame compared to being able to kill tens of millions troops or being able to use nuked

[fresh cedar]

I asked Paradox about it before and they seemed very against having such things

Just because they’re technically non combatants at that point and are subject to different rules

[eternal arch]

even if you couldn't use them for construction or production they could be a peace deal mechanic maybe

like if you return pows they get added back to the original country's manpower pool but if you don't then they count as like a noncore population to your country maybe idk

[hexed shadow]

Yes. That's why I'm asking, because in the games I've been playing, people have actively been complaining about how much clicking they need to do to play countries competently.

The fact that everyone's so preoccupied microing units means all the other clicks that need to happen are even more annoying.

[solid gyro]

i know this will probably go unnoticed by the devs but it is worth a shot:
would be nice if Ulanhu would be avaible for Mongolia since he resided in it (and even had ministerial positions) up untill the start of ww2 when he started his march to reach the Yan'an base, thus unless communist china take the focus to ally him, he should remain in mongolia imho

Also would be nice if:
1770738834631.png
this icon is used for the british Raj maybe by giving a focus to the loyalist branch in which once completed, it unlock a national spirit (with the icon above) that gives small bonuses to militia troops and the possibility of rising militia like troops (mimicking a little the "Mongol banners" of Mengjiang but instead of irregulars it will be militia troops, reminishing a little of the sepoys of the 1800s (https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/suggestions-for-the-baltic-states-nsb.1512287/)

I've been checking things from the beta and seeing Portugal getting a bunch of Brazilian characters after unification makes me wish this was a standardised system for diplomatic unifications.

Another example is the Iberian Union, I would love for Portugal/Spain to get characters from the other after a peaceful unification of the nations and I'm pretty sure there are other instances where this could also be applied.

[solid gyro]

there should be two mutually exclisve focuses in the German democratic focus tree (or at least an event) where you either keep the king as a figurehead or completely become a republic

[nova smelt]

Is their a way to save templates if I make one and wanna use it in a future game?

[ornate trout]

division templates i dont think so, but plane ship or tank designs if you have certain dlcs can be

[severe willow]

How is naval AI in the beta looking? I know that was a major pain point in stable

[solid gyro]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/more-generals-for-the-philippines.1899852/

there should be an option to see the ideologies of the countries on the map

[blazing flint]

Thats already a thing

[solid gyro]

really ?

[blazing flint]

yes

[solid gyro]

you mean alliances

I was talking about a map mode

[solid gyro]

thank you

[charred flame]

Do we have any date when 1.17.4 will leave open beta?

[hollow coral]

there will be an update to the beta this week

so we dont know yet

[charred flame]

Ok, so there is no need to rush my translation effort 😄 I know that there is beta available, but I will wait for final version of 1.17.4

[solid gyro]

Should there be a League of Nations function ?

[hollow lion]

doing something like an arms embargo in this game has little effect since nothing stops a minor power from producing all types of equipment

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

How would it function?

[harsh hull]

Historically, it didn't

So we're already there

[strong siren]

Hi brick

[autumn tundra]

Maybe +30 opinion with members, marketplace access, naval docking rights but no mil access?

[fresh cedar]

So it would blanket apply that to all those nations?

[pastel flume]

oh cool they buffed his trait

50% drift is kinda not great since yemen only has one state so this will make flipping ideology harder, also those focuses that boost ideology like the soviets to turn the middle east commie or germany making the middle east fascist

[nimble torrent]

What are the vibes regarding the latest Army HQs Developer corner?

[hollow lion]

Sounds cool

[pastel flume]

i think they forgot to make assyria available in the category as they can't see the decisions in the game while its supposed to

[drifting star]

Baller name

Prince of the believers insane

[brittle venture]

drift defense is only against foreign afaik

so its against the influence foci yeah

[pastel flume]

50% is a bit too much imo

[brittle venture]

realism

sana'a region has historically been very staunch against foreign interventionism. while in aden/the south you see more foreign powers come in (also because of more accessable terrain)

i think it makes sense as long as they only have 1 state

[solid gyro]

bet you can do it as a gimmick as democratic Switzerland

as the hq of the League of Nations was in Geneva

[solid gyro]

South Africa needs a rework where you either side with the British government and join the Allies and a democratic country or side with the Afrikaners and overthrow the government and become an independent Boer republic (with a Balance of power mechanic where siding with the British increases political power gain and stability however, it gives you debuffs for the army and decreases war support) via an election or a coup. You can either join the Axis, re approach the Allies or fight alone. Consequently, you can enact the Apartheid where it reduces recruitable manpower by -25% but increases stability and war support (however it also increases risks for potential revolution by the black majority). You can side with the Boers or the Black rebels if you won't prevent it. If the rebels win, you can either turn communist or select a king ala Congo (including playing as a modern Zulu kingdom) and subsequently form the African union and become an anti-colonial force (Communist or Monarchist). If the Boers win, the regime will remain and get a debuff for 365 days about the aftermath of the rebellion and you won't have an uprising anymore. Additionally, if you stay Boer, you may get a choice of getting a personal union with the House of Oranje of the Netherlands or expand the Boer republics, plus getting buffs for infantry and militia (including climate bonus to desert and plains and heat resistance).

you can correct me on that

[coral drift]

At least a historical path when you ended up as an apartheid state by 1948.

I think the current game is pretty accurate, SAF ended up fascist and independent after 1946.

[solid gyro]

Absolutely

thanks for correcting me

[solid gyro]

Yes, I agree. Considering the USSR's otherwise very poor historical accuracy, keeping troops in the Far East is a very senseless AI logic. Especially since Japan has no event of violating the Neutrality Pact.

[coral drift]

Apartheid and National Conservatism should be included as fascism subideologies, tbh.

[solid gyro]

I agree

much like with Emperor-Fascism

[glacial niche]

is the patch good?

[solid gyro]

It helps out the Russians

like helping them getting started on their mils

plus two crucial focuses in terms of armor now take 35 days

[pseudo citrus]

shaders in mods still didnt get fixed

[hollow coral]

apartheid is really only specific to south africa so idk

[solid gyro]

of course

if it's a DLC that has to do with revamping the Allied majors like France, the US and the Commonwealth, then South Africa and Egypt should get some love along with Canada

not something major but something to freshen them up and with a new flavor

especially with Egypt and South Africa

not sure about French Indochina or French Morocco

[hollow coral]

nah south africa needs a crazy rework

[solid gyro]

Absolutely

[hollow coral]

and canada needs a rework just to be on par with other countries

[solid gyro]

of course

so, America, France, UK, Canada and South Africa

(with perhaps Egypt as a new country, albeit a dominion)

[hollow coral]

id prefer egypt to be in its own dlc

tbh

[solid gyro]

yeah

more like with Czechoslovakia

as it was its own dlc

[hollow coral]

or like a theatre pack

[solid gyro]

an African theater pack

[hollow coral]

maybe with morocco and tunisia also being released

[solid gyro]

yeah

I'd also argue French Indochina getting a few goodies like with New Zealand in the next dlc

maybe being a French puppet with a few national spirits

[hollow coral]

maybe more portraits for them for npw

[solid gyro]

of course

[hollow coral]

i dont think its in there scope for the dlc to add new countries

id expect portraits for them

[solid gyro]

yeah

[hollow coral]

and spirits for burma malaya and nzl

maybe a rework for nzl if they are generous

[solid gyro]

hope so as New Zealand took the Japanese threat seriously

so, French Indochina, Burma and Malaya should at least get portraits, decisions and spirits including generals

but not fully fledged stuff

[brittle venture]

egypt needs to be independent

not a puppet

[solid gyro]

Independent but with the Iraq treatment

including the British owning Suez

[brittle venture]

different but kinda

they should also have some sort of mechanic/events with the levant and sudan

[solid gyro]

of course

[brittle venture]

i mean they did do that

the only weird thing really is the sahara desert

because egypt was neutral in ww2

[solid gyro]

yeah

you can play the historical path of being neutral

but not sure about alt hist stuff

[coral drift]

Would be good for NSB-Oost Indie path

[green scaffold]

how would the game handle that

since they got invaded

[solid gyro]

maybe you can be in the Allies faction at the start

not sure

[brittle venture]

idk im not a dev

[solid gyro]

are there any people here who have ties with a dev

[brittle venture]

the developers typically

[teal radish]

Ethiopia treatment

[green scaffold]

yeah then they just won't implement it

[teal radish]

They would be in the allies..just not able to join the war

[green scaffold]

because them not being in the war was irrelevant

[brittle venture]

it is for historical gamers

[teal radish]

Untill italy invades

[brittle venture]

they care very deeply about historical accuracy

[green scaffold]

but they didn't

they still didn't join

just no one asked them

[teal radish]

Well we all know hoi4 isnt some Grand simulator

[coral drift]

I wanted to use that but sadly it reference Japanese system. Rewording it to be more generic would be good

[solid gyro]

I don't argue for the inclusion of every single country in 1936

[hollow coral]

idk a lot of other countries use it

[solid gyro]

only the ones that had interesting stuff

[coral drift]

A lot of countries can use it if they removed the Japanese-specific wordings

[solid gyro]

however for countries that did nothing, there is always room to add (not much)

[coral drift]

For now, only Japan

[solid gyro]

the same can be said with Manchukuo

the only Fascist country with that ideology

[coral drift]

Manchukuo IIRC uses Rexism before NCNS

[solid gyro]

yeah

Japan was fascist before NCNS

[hollow coral]

manchukuo shouldnt start as fascist

[solid gyro]

should they start non-aligned ?

[hollow coral]

lofc

the concordia assocation was reorganised when the taisei yokusankai came into power

effectively making it a fascist state

[coral drift]

Again, the problem i have is with the subids

[hollow coral]

so it goes from a despotism to emperor fascism

[coral drift]

Tbh with y'all, the reason I haven't added my own subids there is because it would be a hassle to correct other countries.

[hollow coral]

i modded rexism to be corporatism instead

[coral drift]

Marhaenism can be included in Social Nationalism (democratic). For now I used populism for Sukarno (the only current vanilla example is democratic Brazil) in EIR, but Hatta would be socialism despite both of them are actually social nationalists.

A lot of conservative and gen_fascist leaders can be pooled into Conservative Nationalism (nonaligned) subid.

[pseudo citrus]

shaders in mods still didnt get properly fixed

for example in the fire rises mod map on the last beta path looks like this (left picture)

and how it looked before NCS and 1.17 path released (right)

[fading walrus]

<@&846894118219022336> scam here too

[pseudo citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-mountains-penguin-mountain-penguin-mountain-gif-17645682934259148439

[solid gyro]

Speaking of Iran, the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran is a mess ingame right now.

In reality it took six days. Ingame it takes years as neither the USSR or the UK deploys the forces necessary to overwhelm Iran's army defending in mountain territory.

It might be better to represent it by an event than an actual war on historical, unless a serious overhaul can be done to how it plays out.

[hollow coral]

kinda defeats the purpose of irans historical tree

[solid gyro]

it wasn't my argument

Any plans on adding advisors and generals for the reorganized government of china? Since its overpowered after coring all of china, having no generals or advisors makes it illogical for gameplay, Also a decision to change the capital to nanking or Alternatively to Beijing. what about Japan having the ability to establish a hui puppet state which they considered in real life using spies and brainwashing but failed? Also Japan could have the decision to establish a japanese military government in Korea via shogunate and fascist path which might use the "japanese general resident of korea" flag.

[hollow lion]

Irl they sorta do a peacedeal like Iraq, but that branch is either too long/not done by AI, I think

I havent tested in vanilla but the timeout for them to be allowed to join the Axis seemt quite short in the past, especially if youre not invading from 3 sides

[young wadi]

The latest update kinda bugged greece [monarchist path George II]

[hollow coral]

how?

i played it

its seems fine

[young wadi]

The update sai now if you go with the monarchists you can still do the Focus [An Orthodox State] and the rest of them but not only i can't do that i can't even join the Central Powers it says thst George is not currently the king even though it is

Also in the Orthodox focus it says I need to have the

1. National spirit of Ioannis Metaxas
2. Current leader is George II
3. Current leader Ioannis Metaxas
4. Not in a Faction

Which obviously you can't do all of the 3
[Not including the Faction]

Mods:

1. Road to 56
2. Road to 56 Rp
3. Road to 56 TommyKay

[I don't think the mods have a problem since they are updated]

[young wadi]

Idk this is the problem i hv

[hollow coral]

patchnotes say they only allow you to do orthodox state

which i could do

[young wadi]

Oh then ok but I still have the Centeral powers Faction and the Orthodox problem

Clearly it says that I have George country leader but the focus doesn't recognize it

[hollow coral]

can do that too

[green scaffold]

try turning off mods amd checking?

[hollow lion]

Definitely doesn't look related to 1.17.4

[green scaffold]

is it an issue in rt56? or one of the sub mods

[hollow lion]

Hard to say, we override the BftB tree to apply bugfixes among other things, but a submod could be overriding it further

[young wadi]

Ok give me a few min and I'll tell you

[hollow lion]

You cant load that save without mods, youd have to use console commands or wait a bit to redo the path

[young wadi]

Uhm

Idk if its the version or what but not it says that I can't even do it

[brittle venture]

iran in general is kinda messy

you get reza shah pavlavi back as an FM if you go islamic revolution for example

[brittle venture]

it can be exploited on communist path

[solid gyro]

yeah

[brittle venture]

its cool

[solid gyro]

we should tell batya to fix Iran

[brittle venture]

general fixes/balance would be good

iran isnt that high priority

[solid gyro]

I know

just fixing them sporadically would be good

as in, bit by bit

[solid gyro]

Han Youwen and Han Yimu should get their portraits

[hollow coral]

modded han youwens portrait

but han yimu doesnt have any sources for portraits

[solid gyro]

yeah

[solid gyro]

the devs should ask permission from the Kaiserreich community for that

as for yimu we should speculate on what he looked like

[hollow coral]

i got youwens portrait from the new ways mod

idk for yimu but it seems like paradox can just make up faces sometimes

[solid gyro]

yeah

[hollow coral]

sheng shiqi for example i couldnt find any source or photo of him

[solid gyro]

is he in the game?

[solid gyro]

yep, maybe a generic Ma general portrait

[hollow coral]

sinkiang general

[solid gyro]

rather than a generic generic portrait

[solid gyro]

same with him

it should be generic but more clique-specific

than it being a reused one

[hollow coral]

idk where paradox get there photos from

[solid gyro]

yeah

me neither

[hollow coral]

but it might be an actual portrait of shiqi

[solid gyro]

not sure who is the artist

[hollow coral]

just obscure source

another example is one of the generals in afghanistan

something tarzi

couldnt find any portraits of him online but they do exist somewhere

[solid gyro]

yeah

it's a speculative one but still better than a reused one

does anyone have his hands on the portraits of the two Ma generals

[hollow coral]

not hard to find han youwen

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[fresh cedar]

That’s so low quality it would be hard to even make an accurate portrait

[hollow coral]

just check out the one new ways made for him

also the artists have probably worked on lower quality ones

[solid gyro]

yeah

you can bring the portrait here

[smoky atlas]

open beta hasn't fixed anything AI navy-wise yet*, still spotting their oldest ships and destroying them with ease, most of the time they have alot of ships on a region yet there are no naval dominances (most of the sea should be red) and i have not spotted ANY carriers or good heavy ships (with a spotting cruiser fleet btw) 💔

this is a good opportunity for those who wanna do the Put the raid on the Medway to Shame achievement

also spotting ships may also be broken

[mighty stone]

Don’t worry they might fix Navy AI by spring. But they’ll just end up declaring it fixed then leave it broken for a year and go on holiday

[smoky atlas]

guess i'll try out the Better Navy AI mod to see if it fixes a japan game

[mighty stone]

That’s probably best you can hope for now but it seems like they’re just doing their best to nudge the issue

[smoky atlas]

welp, for once in my 6000 hours, the Better Navy AI mod succeeded in killing the japanese navy, a MOD fixed a massive game-impacting bug that a developer team cannot (or won't) fix!

they even succeeded in spotting & intercepting one of my main fleet, something i rarely see the AI do in any of my playthroughs, vanilla or modded!

[smoky atlas]

but in the end I prevail!

[charred hare]

There is still no Mengkukuo focus tree!!!

[harsh hull]

That is a shame, innit

At least let them play with the warlord tree

And also, Japan's puppet state in China (tag: RNG) should have been a starting tag

Not really related to MEN not having a focus tree, but I thought it was disappointing that they didn't go for it

[solid gyro]

Yeah. Have a warlord style focus tree but with a bit of a Mongolian flavor to it

with a unique subranch related with allegiance to Japan or your fellow Mongolian brothers in the Comittern

[brittle venture]

but its not the same is why they havent

[solid gyro]

of course

[brittle venture]

like

[solid gyro]

I didn't say that they should have a warlord focus tree

[brittle venture]

youd need proper mongolian content

[solid gyro]

Of course

[brittle venture]

which is something a fair few players want

and it takes a lot of time and effort to research then write then code

[solid gyro]

Proper Mongolian content is needed for the three steppe countries

(including the releasable Kumul Khanate)

[harsh hull]

Which is probably why they didn't commit to it in this DLC, you see

I do still think the warlord tree would do as a stopgap measure though

[solid gyro]

I can think of it as a minor country pack

[harsh hull]

Love me Republic of Inner Mongolia

[solid gyro]

as much as I love mods, they can be very janky and full of bugs plus the constant need to update them with each passing DLC

hence why I want changed to be done in vanilla as that way they can be more polished

plus, I do hope that the Ma generals get the Sheng Siqi treatment

one has a photo, the other doesn't but we can draw a picture of what he might've looked like

[solid gyro]

if the Czechoslovakia focus dlc is a success and doesn't cost much, Yugoslavia should follow suit

[polar jasper]

Yugo getting its third rework moment

[solid gyro]

did it have two reworks ?

I know that the first one was back in 2017

[polar jasper]

Death or Dishonor tree, revamp during BftB

And now the one you are hoping for

[solid gyro]

really?

[polar jasper]

Yeah, the old yugo tree was similar, but had less in everything

[solid gyro]

yeah

[coral drift]

Huh?

Reformed Government? Sure, in 1939 start

Reorganized Government? No

[polar jasper]

The reorganized national government, something formed in like 1939, should be a starting tag?

You can play them you know

Just play China

When Japan forms it, you can switch to it

[coral drift]

Yeah, this too.

[coral drift]

It was in 1938
Provisional Government even formed in late 1937
Then both are Reorganized into one

[polar jasper]

Huh, interesting

More you know

[harsh hull]

Yeah, it should start as the East Hebei Autonomous Government

The government body that preceded the Reorganized Government

Which was founded in 1935

[solid gyro]

Would Japan be given a claim to Tannu Tuva if it completes A Green Persimmon or The Persimmon has Ripened?

[wooden wyvern]

it technically exists at game start

as east hebei

which is more or less the direct predecessor

that should def be in the game idk why it wasnt added even as a skeleton when jordan and palestine exist

chinese resistance shouldve been made into an actual mechanic with significnat debuffs to supply and divisions spawning and such but japan gets the ability to manage the conquered land with the various chinese puppets the way germany gets to do so mid war

[pastel flume]

Would've made sense for the east hebei autonomous region to be either a demilitirized zone like what they did with danzig or a puppet

[pastel flume]

Starting nation Kuwait before Egypt

Danzig would've been interesting as a starting nation, shame it can't be released unless you let it occupy your territory while owning germany so they could form germany, have cores, defeat them and then release yourself as them

Or I guess you can cheat with commands

[hollow coral]

Man i hope khotan ma get a ma zhongying secret path

Probably one of the most interesting characters

He disappeared in 1934 and some sources such as sheng shicai say he was executed in moscow in 1937

[polar jasper]

They never should have given those random middle eastern countries tags at game start. They are beyond useless. If they were to have added a tag, it should have been egypt

[ashen pawn]

when china get annexed how does it even come back as the reorgainsed gov

[hollow coral]

japan focus tree

[solid gyro]

on historical the Ma cliques (sans Khotan Ma) should unite into Xibei San Ma before the war with Japan, so there aren't two extra tags to interfere with an already delicate balance

[hushed lion]

No way sans undertale?!?!

[solid gyro]

lol

[ashen pawn]

oh

quite quiet here eh

[drifting star]

And ?

lol

[hollow coral]

Whats the problem exactly though?

I dont think they lag put the game that much

[solid gyro]

Yeah me neither

I bet the guy who wrote it (not me btw) wanted Egypt

[solid gyro]

would there be an option to have “Hitler-dono” if the civil war in Germany succeeds and Japan turns fascist ?

also add a hidden “Joe Stalling” for the US if the Soviet Union falls

if he exists in-game that is

plus the option to have Khruschev when the civil war or the coup succeeds

[eternal arch]

next update should completely delete navy

[polar jasper]

How un-American.

We love our carrier strike forces here

[eternal arch]

i would love my carrier strike forces if it made any sense at all in game

[midnight dove]

skibidi san ma was peak

[midnight dove]

what even is navy tbh

[solid gyro]

same

bit3rsteel made it eo

[polar jasper]

Have other capitals protect the carriers, have screens protect all the capitals

Set a home base in the are by ctrl clicking a port, set a mission, and win

Just dont use strike force to build supremacy

Strike force is a force multiplier

You need something there otherwise anything times 0 is 0

[eternal arch]

setting a home port did not work because i did this for my whole fleet so they would dock in the phillippines and japan declared on me and like half my fleet is still docked in malta

when the game actually decides to move my ships around instead of taking everything i do as a suggestion i sink lots of ships but oh my lord it doesn’t do anything i tell it to

[polar jasper]

Idk. You only have like 1 or 2 task forces per fleet usually unless it is subs or patrol fleets

Very easy to just move a few units around basically

Make sure you have all your task forces selected when you ctrl right click a port to make them go to their new home base

And make sure they can actually do their missions

1 task force cant patrol 7 sea zones

[wooden wyvern]

navy is more fun then army

too bad the game is incapable of creating any scenario where you actually have to try

[gloomy salmon]

truth nuke

[smoky atlas]

naval blockades were not thought through, there are no ways to get a country to remove their naval blockade

and things like these happen

[brittle venture]

wdym you can break blockades

[smoky atlas]

aka get a country to >remove< their naval blockade

[brittle venture]

ai does it automatically when they get bored/notice they cant enforce it

[green scaffold]

how

[brittle venture]

put ships in zone

[smoky atlas]

in every playthroughs since they added it, none of the countries that naval blockaded me ever removed it

[brittle venture]

probably because you didnt contest the blockades?

[smoky atlas]

I did

[broken horizon]

Sinkiang should had more alt paths in my opinion

[gritty lava]

The warlords weren't exactly the main focus of the dlc

[broken horizon]

true but in my opinion sinkiang could had a alt path where they go and unite turks or somthing like that

[gritty lava]

That's a formable, right?

[solid gyro]

I do hope the Salar general portraits are placeholders just so they can get new portraits

[solid gyro]

yes, Turkestan

[tame ivy]

paradox never going to get rid of hackers

[keen totem]

should've added an east turkestan path maybe

[broken horizon]

Yea somthing like that

[solid gyro]

that can work with something like Kumul

[midnight dove]

too much work for them

[solid gyro]

I suggest it to be a shorter path

again, it'd work with the Kumul Khanate than Sinkiang

[red mesa]

uhh

[coral drift]

What mod?

[solid gyro]

a lot of folks want an East Turkestan path for Sinkiang but I think that with Kumul is much more plausible

maybe adding Osman Batur

[broken horizon]

If i remember right u cant start game as Kumul wich would mean u still would need to start as Sinkiang and go down the turkestan path and then declare independent war againts Sinkiang with Khotan ma support

[solid gyro]

yeah

not sure how this would work if implemented

as the only path with March of Khotan is that you win with Soviet help and either become a puppet or decide to make Sheng Shikai a king

hence why I proposed that Kumul should have an East Turkestan tree before forming Yettishar before then forming either Turkestan or the Mongol Empire

[solid gyro]

maybe in size similar to Reorganized China

[hollow coral]

i think a lot of these "king" titles are symbolic

[solid gyro]

I know

I said that to quell the "East Turkestan with Sinkiang" crowd

[brittle venture]

you can already form china

[solid gyro]

I know

[brittle venture]

its east of turkestan so should be fine

[solid gyro]

I agree

I argued that despite being a releasable, Kumul Khanate has potential of first forming the East Turkestan republic and then Yettishar (the latter can be done in game of course but I wanted to add an in-between)

similar to the Reorganized Government of China puppet state

[hollow coral]

that doesnt actually make sense though

[solid gyro]

yeah

I am not sure where to stick an East Turkestan path

Sinkiang is already full

[hollow coral]

probably just expand on the kashgar clique path

[solid gyro]

yaeh

that can definitely work

[hollow coral]

mahmut muhiti served in the first turkestan republic army

[solid gyro]

maybe add a final focus called "Proclaim the Second East Turkestan Republic"

it's too early by a decade but I guess it fits

or just call it "East Turkestan"

[hollow coral]

can work

the second was a soviet backed state though

and it was only called first because the second was formed

so just "reform the Turkestan Republic" can work

[solid gyro]

much better title

where would Osman Batur go ?

the Kumul or Khotan

[hollow coral]

probably khotan

he was against sheng shicai aswell

[solid gyro]

yeah, he should be added via a decision or event called "Hire Osman Batur"

[hollow coral]

maybe a way to turn communist

[solid gyro]

that can be quite an interesting path

we can add it in while keeping it short

as it is still a warlord faction

[hollow coral]

ma zhonying secret path tho

[solid gyro]

is it plausible ?

[hollow coral]

he disappeared in 1934

and some accounts such as from shicai say he was executed in 37

[solid gyro]

wonder for what country would you add it in ?

I am certain still Khotan

or Sinkiang

[hollow coral]

probably khotan still

[solid gyro]

as much as everyone here pesters me about "there's a mod for it" I prefer seeing these changes in base game

[hollow coral]

there probably isnt

and i prefer playing vanilla over kaiserreich

[solid gyro]

same here

still, Osman Batur sounds like an interesting general to add

[hollow coral]

or potential leader over elhan tore

[solid gyro]

yeah

still, seeing East Turkestan as a formable faction would be interesting to see

if you go down the anti-KMT path

and I know that I asked this a lot but I do want the two Salar gens to get portraits in a vain similar to Sheng Shiqi who didn't have an irl photo

I am not saying that generic generals shouldn't exist but when you get gens from a focus, you should expect them to at least stand out in the visual front

I added another comment in the beta patch forum

hopefully my comments are taken notice

I'm certain that Osman should be added in the Rally the Faithful focus so you get two extra gens instead of one (the other being Yulbars Khan)

as he was one who resisted both Sinkiang and the CPC forces until his death in 1951

actually, at that time he was a Kazakh and a little known bandit leader until the 1940's where Stalin used him to rebel against Sheng Shikai

and by 1944, he became part of the Second East Turkestan Republic

so, what if... Khotan undergoing its Turkestan path hires him

[hollow coral]

i dont think suggesting stuff in the beta forum is the best way

its better to just suggest it in the suggestion forums

[solid gyro]

I did just now

[tardy tapir]

There is a cosmetic tag of Sinkiang with East Turkestan flag, but maybe it is unused

[solid gyro]

I guess so

still, I do hope they do add something for the Northern Warlords like they did with Khotan and Yunnan

as they are neglected

[gritty lava]

Shanxi got left out
Out of the og warlords

[solid gyro]

yeah

what would you come up with for that clique

so I can add it to my forum ?

[gritty lava]

Not an expert on Chinese history

[red mesa]

just a better states mod

[coral drift]

Same, i've advocated this for including more subideologies.

[coral drift]

Ah ok

[solid gyro]

same here

[gentle python]

great game

game knows how to count

[gritty lava]

<@&846894118219022336>

[lusty rampart]

gone

[cosmic falcon]

Which country?

[thick edge]

looks like russia on TFR

[gritty lava]

A bit late but some quick research landed me with this:
Shanxi had a pretty good military academy
Shanxi was a very rich province, historically because of their merchants, and later on because of the Yan Xishan industrial programmes
Shanxi had a pretty good munitions and gunpowder industry
At some point there was a plan to build a lot of oil refineries, and while that plan was cancelled, it could be focus to revive the plan
Yan Xishan worked a lot to improve the education of Shanxi, funding a lot of schools
Yan Xishan provided scholarship for nuclear physicists He Zehui
Yan Xishan tried to overthrow the Chinese government during the Central Plains War and instal himself as the new president
Yan Xishan was very pragmatic. He was anti-communist before a certain point, but then began working with them, for example letting them establish secret headquarters in his province. He also released quite a lot of communist prisoners
Parts of Shanxi were occupied by Mengjiang, and Yan Xishan wanted to retake it
Yan Xishan was sometimes called the "Model Governor" with Shanxi being the "Model Province"
At some point Yan Xishan apparently Swapped sides and fought with the Japanese against the communists

So if I had to make a very simple Shanxi tree, I'd have some focuses where you can snuggle up with the communists at game start, then have some industrial focuses based on the gunpowder industry, then funding the education sector, maybe a focus to retake that part of Shanxi that's occupied, and then maybe I'd have a choice at the end of the tree to either continue being the model province or swapping sides and fighting with the Japanese, maybe even declaring Yan as the president like he tried in the Central Plains war

[solid gyro]

great idea

[gritty lava]

You could maybe also have a choice at the start of the tree, either be pragmatic with the communists like what happened historically or you can try and fight them

[solid gyro]

Kind of like the North Eastern Army

[gritty lava]

Something like that

[fresh cedar]

I keep crashing on the beta 😔 but it’s always in like 1944-1945 so eats a whole game

[keen totem]

sometimes i really wish that each warlord actual felt more

different from one another

all of them kind of have the same end goal

[jovial jay]

Peg or autarky for Germany

[blazing flint]

Both are good

[tired acorn]

damn this looks great! indonesia will be the first asian country i play

[rocky escarp]

Curious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yihc9ynBbTA

[knotty lily]

Can't wait to, like my grandfather before me, attempt to crush the revolt in the East Indies

The glorious red white and blue will fly over the Dutch East Indies again

[coral drift]

Naah, would love to try the reform path and achieving "Een Vrij en Gelukkig Indonesië"

[knotty lily]

Nah mate. We are going in with helicopters and napalm.

Our most valuable colony will keep its ties to the fatherlands.

But in all seriousness... I am looking forward to a focus tree for the Dutch East Indies and a slightly expanded/edited focus tree for The Netherlands

[coral drift]

Yes, but with gentle hands, not with "sticks and swords for 300 years more" (De Jonge, 1935)

[knotty lily]

Not being able to get Wilhelmina before going to war, and thus not getting the manpower you need for a sizeable army is punishing....

It also takes away from our proud naval history since it limits the amount of ships you can possibly commission considering it all drains manpower.

[coral drift]

Mhm
I have followed HJ Tulp's "Onderzeeboot Nekt Navalism" ATL on a certain website. It's eye-opening

There is a detail on two different sets of defence plans for the East Indies Squadron

[fresh cedar]

That raid occupation mechanic is interesting. Though I’d rather the choice of choosing between full civil war and that

[coral drift]

Mhm
That's why i did not entirely disagreed with that approach. Only that the maps still needs reworking.

[fresh cedar]

Would just be nice to have as an option but not the only

[coral drift]

Seeing Tapanuli absorbed into Westkust van Sumatra would probably make my clan mad if they know of it, awokawokawok

But Oostkust van Sumatra separated from Riouw is good.

[dense apex]

Banzi!

I did the Showa restoration

This was a very fun game

I could go out my own speed and I was enough of the distraction for Germany to get their shit together

I think I have to pay China a visit next

[glossy inlet]

I will say out of them all the monarchist path is probably the best at terms of pacing

[fresh cedar]

Fifth Portuguese empire kinda needs a buff.

Like the United Portugal-Brazil gets .50% weekly stability, like 50 mil core pop early, and 1000 weekly manpower ontop of joining factions.

Fifth empire can’t join factions, everyone hates you, and only .10% weekly stability/war support and 5% extra non core.

Feel like it should get maybe an additional 10% non core, daily compliance gain and maybe division attack buffs considering its literal you V the planet.

Just seems super weak in comparison to UK Portugal Brazil, Italy, Germany, Japan etc

Think it’s a very cool unique tree forcing you to be isolated and fight everyone. Just needs to be tweaked to keep up with power creep

[barren tusk]

almost march, we should start having dev diaries

[tawdry lodge]

Well said, well said

[pliant bone]

Loving the new icons

[topaz willow]

Am I right in reading that the latest update isn’t on the main game branch yet?

[twilit jolt]

it is

[pseudo citrus]

shaders still not fixed

[charred hare]

I love Mengkukuo

[gritty lava]

<@&846894118219022336>

[hollow lion]

On it

It should autoclear the messages any moment now...

[sharp crest]

Awesome job HOI4 devs

[proud basin]

Change backround button 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[hazy gulch]

hey guys

has the game been fixed?

(no, this is not a troll question)

decided to zone out for about half a year and check back in

[queen oxide]

this bro please fix map shaders

[pastel flume]

id say that fifth portuguese empire would be interesting to unite all the lusophone places as of right its just claims and wargoals. Also some of the claims are broken like some brazillian ones not getting claims. I think they should be able to core angola and mozambique at a quicker timeframe than the other paths alongside coring cabo verde, guinea-bissau, sao tome and principe and maybe even galicia.

[fresh cedar]

Honestly yeah, kind of like how the Spanish empire can core its former empire. Fifth Portuguese having that would be great

Used to be one of the most fun trees in the game but now feels so dated. Especially since Portugal-Brazil has gotten so much content in the past year

Still think it should get attack and compliance buffs simply for not being able to join factions and getting -100 opinion for everyone

[pastel flume]

yeah like paraguaya and uruguay have a path where they can't join factions, but they core all of south america, spain can't join factions in anarchist path but can core the entire world

[fresh cedar]

Portuguese can get like 25% non core. Yet Italy can get like 33%+

Power creep made it irrelevant

[inner slate]

No , but its better then half a year ago . The main problems are with big vanila mp lobbys where code of game bugs out and the game starts crashing , desynching and save becomes corupted . The new dlc revorked doctrines and navy and they are now much better a fun , but it was hard to use to it.
If you are playing sg vanila its ok ,butt ai and alt his paths are still retardet . Maybe look after some mods like :
-sg : kaiserreich , darkest hour ,fallout
-mp: tfb , horst, ( i dont know alt his mp mods, sry )
i heard there are still new bugs occurring (today someone told me there is new research bug) , but its mostly ok

also devs maybe look at this bug

[grim nimbus]

how TF does this work

[pure schooner]

Hover over and it says

Also this should be in #ask-for-help-here

Its basically research

[coral drift]

No
He is pointing an oversight when the focus still completes and gives that event when GER and ITA is already at war

Probably from ITA's end

IIRC it's their focus

[shut ferry]

Oh my gosh

how do I beat the ussr

[coral drift]

Encircle large amount of Red Army enough times

[shut ferry]

bro how

[blazing flint]

By getting good

Thats how

Its pretty easy

But its a better topic for #hoi4-general and #ask-for-help-here

[shut ferry]

ragebait

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-gif-17870535188958174605

[hollow lion]

Its pretty much true though

[vapid girder]

Don't even need to

[vapid girder]

It's not

[blazing flint]

They are banned and gone

[weary sorrel]

Hey guys how was the 1.17.4 update? Did it improve mp experience for those who have poor internet?

[agile hearth]

It broke most mods 🥀

[weary sorrel]

That's unfortunate as someone who mainly plays vanilla

[wanton fulcrum]

Noooo not this scam again

[cosmic falcon]

Iran should have an artillery MIO.

[crimson tartan]

you know, it's pretty funny that Morozov design bureau is a light tank designer and Astrov is medium tank designer

because irl it's Morozov that designed and produced almost all the soviet meduim tanks, including T-34
while Astrov was only about light tanks, like Т-60

[solid gyro]

should this be fixed ?

[crimson tartan]

not a big deal

[solid gyro]

also, PDX Per faved my comment on the Northern Warlords

a Dev

[marsh maple]

possibly my fastest spanish civil war

[green scaffold]

pretty good

[plucky ledge]

Pls tell me that map mod

[marsh maple]

Tno map style

[plucky ledge]

Oh, gotcha, thanks!

[marsh maple]

Jp

Np

[marsh maple]

Be werry its so good its hard to play without it

[plucky ledge]

I do have blue marble darkest hour, so I'm aware lol

[scarlet elm]

;

[jovial flower]

Oh the new update broke most mods, surely devs will put out a patch quickly!

The humble live stream:

[simple nymph]

To be fair we've fixed it already

And considering the incompetence of the RON dev team it can't be that hard

[hollow lion]

Lol

[gritty lava]

I've only heard that this update broke mods that make modifications to the way the map looks visually
So saying it broke all mods is a bit of an exaggeration

[swift fable]

Hey guys, I just remembered something about Danzi in the road to 56 mod is that they can form Prussia

Just something weird, which you guys should probably know

[hollow coral]

Life changing information for some

[floral anvil]

Are there any news on this DLC which should be released within a month? 💀

[robust grail]

damm, new thing for spreadsheet.

come on PRX, I know you are using HOI4 as a lab for HOI5, just say a word.

[barren tusk]

Last year we had graveyard of empire in March right?

We should start getting dev diaries

[wispy peak]

I feel this change is an attempt at making support companies such as the maintenance company a more valid option

Personally I feel a good change to maintenance company would be an "equipment trickleback" similar to the field hospital. Surely the maintenance company would attempt to repair damaged but not fully destroyed equipment right? Would really help smaller industries.

[fresh cedar]

Wait so will you not just be able to apply 5 support companies anymore?

[barren tusk]

Great job. What have you done? My Speedrun is early 1938

My tactic is take full Catalonia and Easter Aragon and go fully down

[fresh cedar]

Like the way I interpret it, is the support companies only buff a line of battalions now, rather than being applied to the entire division

Meaning you can realistically never have 5 now, but like 3-4 support companies

Who only buff like 1/3-1/4 of your division rather than the entirety

If that’s the case, hate this change.

Think support companies were fine and didn’t need to be touched.

[robust grail]

no, the divs support companies are still there.

[fresh cedar]

So what do these replace? Line arty?

[robust grail]

it is a NEW thing.

[keen totem]

looks interesting

[brittle venture]

this is just dumb

[fresh cedar]

Alright but why

[brittle venture]

support equipment is really expensive you wouldnt gain anything

[brittle venture]

theyre bloated

[brittle venture]

support companies are a part of the stat bloat skill gap

but thats generally not being addressed

[fresh cedar]

It says that weapons companies will only be regimental now

So it is absolutely replacing it

[robust grail]

idk either, maybe prx feel guilty because they adding too many schizo content recently 🙂

[fresh cedar]

The fact that support arty and AA is basically getting nerfed though

Just really don’t love the fact that they have diminishing returns depending on how many lines have them

[wispy peak]

I think its to stop the tactic where you would have like a one width div with support AA lvl 2 and it would just neutralise all CAS by existing

Super cheap and can be spammed out

[brittle venture]

this isnt even how you use AA

and not how it works

the AA bonus only applies to the division with the AA

[wispy peak]

I mean 5 lines are at least quite easy to get its not like you need 9+ regiments

[fresh cedar]

It’s not just AA

[brittle venture]

but AA attack is additive from all units in combat +reserves

[brittle venture]

no im saying hes wrong, not contributing to the argument

[fresh cedar]

Now you’re telling me support arty will just benefit a line otherwise face diminishing returns? 😭

[fresh cedar]

Wouldn’t a 1x20 combat width of infantry w/ AA not have the same AA as 10x2 combat width w/ AA?

So same cost

Except smaller div would get shredded

[wispy peak]

Its more the inf equipment and manpower cost

The AA cost is the same

[fresh cedar]

But wouldn’t it technically have the same equipment and manpower?

Like proportionally

[wispy peak]

You would never put JUST them on the frontline you would have your actual divisions and then one just with that

[fresh cedar]

Quite frankly I just don’t like the change. But I suppose it will let me use more support companies now. Bc can have weapons on the line whereas in support I can fit 2-3 more now like medic

[wispy peak]

Have to see how it gets implemented tbh

Its either gonna be an interesting thing that makes division design more interesting

Or it'll get botched like the navy did and make people really annoyed

[keen totem]

Agree with this

It looks promising

[wispy peak]

We can speculate all we want but so far it looks decent

[keen totem]

But we have to see how it's implemented

[cosmic stag]

we need new combat units

[keen totem]

But I personally think it looks cool

[pliant bone]

the thing is paradox need to fix their game and stuff first before adding a bunch of bloat, the AI already needs fixing and by complicating it even more its going to ruin gameplay not make it more fun

[fresh cedar]

It’s a clear nerf for weapons support for sure. But I like I can effectively have additional support companies now. Never used medic or some other companies but now can

[wispy peak]

IMO the navy system was implemented really awkwardly and more convoluted which made a lot of people who got familiar with the old system angry, so hopefully they dont make this a MASSIVE change that completely changes everything

Its one of those things of changing a system everyone is familiar with is an awkward venture

[cosmic stag]

hello

[fresh cedar]

Tbh has zero impact if you just let navies auto choose ports 😂

[cosmic stag]

what yalls think bout this idea

[wispy peak]

Its more the AI not using navy well lol

I miss my big decisive battles

[fresh cedar]

Wym new combat units

[fresh cedar]

Same

[wispy peak]

I miss having massive smacks with the IJN or RN

[cosmic stag]

i mean combat battalions

[wispy peak]

The USN would NEVER engage me though honestly no idea why

[fresh cedar]

Though AI seems to do 50-60 strike groups again atleast

[fresh cedar]

Like apart form infantry, special forces

What did you have in mind

[cosmic stag]

well i wanna see a concsript battalion

very cheap fast and easy to train

[fresh cedar]

Is that not just militia?

[brittle venture]

a conscript batallion

a batallion of conscripts

[robust grail]

because their scout suck, and they mess up new "don't fight specific ship type" button

[fresh cedar]

Right, I just don’t see it working differently than militias in game

[wispy peak]

I think he means more of a unique infantry batallion that has less stats but can be trained a TON faster

Militia is quite unique in their terrain buffs and such

[cosmic stag]

yes correct

[fresh cedar]

People realistically would just cheese those so they can spam out 100’s of divisions quick then convert

[cosmic stag]

well yes

[fresh cedar]

Basically makes the idea of training divisions void

[cosmic stag]

alr

i do also wanna see a Reserves unit

[wispy peak]

Even before the navy change the USN would just never do a decisive battle with me would only send cruisers lol

[wispy peak]

Best way to do that is make it you cannot convert conscripts into anything else but thats a whole different undertaking

[robust grail]

no? i remember that it happen quite often.

[cosmic stag]

how about a bigger better howitzer and a mortar unit

[wispy peak]

Must just be me then

USN would never wanna fight me but the IJN my god they would THROW themselves at me

[cosmic stag]

i also wanna see is a sturmtruppe battalion

[wispy peak]

Thats in the game rn

Germany gets it via the infantry path

[cosmic stag]

alr

[wispy peak]

Its a support company to my knowledge

[cosmic stag]

yes

which is sad

if PDX doesnt add them in

ill add em then in myself

[wispy peak]

I think its because the "Stormtroopers" idea kinda got usurped into the combined arms warfare

Germany didnt have the full on dedicated "Sturmtruppe" because the panzergrenadiers filled that role

[cosmic stag]

damn

alr

they were only used in ww1

[robust grail]

maybe you don't use convoys raid much, i remember many decisive battle are evolve from convoy raiding/escort

[wispy peak]

Dont get me wrong nations still employed shock troops with body armor

[cosmic stag]

alr sorry

[wispy peak]

But the full on dedicated storm troopers got usurped into the mechanized warfare

[cosmic stag]

alr

[wispy peak]

Dw you dont need to apologise lol

[cosmic stag]

alr

XD

they NEED to convert the sturmtruppe battalion into a combat unit

[wispy peak]

You could add shock troopers if you wanted

[cosmic stag]

alr

[cosmic stag]

yes ik

[wispy peak]

Soviets used shock troops with PPSH's and body armor for infantry assaults that could work

[fresh cedar]

More of a support than full on battalion though

Like those were more platoon/squad based

[wispy peak]

Yeah its the closest thing I can think off

Since most "Shock troops" were mechanized infantry

[cosmic stag]

alr

i can add whatever new units and templates as i want and wish keep that in mind

[wispy peak]

Yeah thats the beauty of modding

Add whatever you feel

I added HIMARS cause I thought it was funny lol

[cosmic stag]

fr?

[fresh cedar]

Honestly I think the game has a wide range of units currently. But more should get shock troops

[wispy peak]

Yeah special project for MLRS systems

[cosmic stag]

show me in dms

[fresh cedar]

What other special projects could even be added at this point? Troop transport Helis?

[cosmic stag]

id like to see super dreadnoughts

[wispy peak]

I added super battleships to lol

Think like Hannover in wows type thing

INSANELY expensive

[cosmic stag]

alr

[wispy peak]

Also added hybrid cruisers for navy larp since I like that

Its just awkward cause you gotta code all the modules and stuff

[cosmic stag]

@wispy peak ey

show me your mod in dms

[fresh cedar]

Tbh wish there was a modern variant of every ship class

Not just carriers and battleships

[rotund cargo]

Nuclear Submarines are also kind of modern variant of the regular submarines 😛

[marsh maple]

yall

historical is on

what is this

poland joined the axis

[hollow lion]

You are playing monarchist France

When you go alt-hist, especially as a major, other countries will cancel their historical plans

[fresh cedar]

I guess I meant moreso cruisers and destroyers since we have modern subs, carriers and battleships

Make zeppelins great again?

Though beyond spotting I’m not sure how blimps would function

[fresh cedar]

If I had to add more special projects I’d add:

1. Modern Destroyer
2. Modern Cruiser
3. Modern Infantry Equipment (think Cold War guns like assault rifles such as the AK-47)
4. Transport Helicopters
5. Night Vision techs (locked behind special projects rather than on tree from start)
6. MBT (late game modern tank)

(All of these are inline with what’s already in the game and would diversify late game content and early Cold War scenarios)

[steep nest]

Mothership aircraft

[fresh cedar]

I thought so too but they’re pretty big and slow targets to WW2 aircraft.

The fastest ones only go about 70 mph or 115 kmh

[midnight dove]

rifles on special projects dont make sense

[fresh cedar]

For a modern assault rifle it kind of does since a lot of energy had to go into developing them

[steep nest]

There were a lot of fascinating uses for blimps and zepplins during the interwar, but most were civilian uses. I would say that USS Akron would be a pinnacle definition of airships in military function for ww2. A patrol airship designed to hunt for fleets in the vastness of the pacific ocean.

[fresh cedar]

So as patrol aircraft could be neat in game yeah. Maybe as a long range spotter

[fresh cedar]

Assault rifles had a lot of innovations to them like selective fire, removable magazine, new ammunition types. And many countries didn’t see them till 1944 or beyond.

I mean the gun research in game ends 1942

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/kirov-kirov-reporting-kirov-airship-bombardiers-to-your-stations-helium-mix-optimal-gif-6508128564212813667

[steep nest]

Besides airships though, what do you guys think about the implementation of regional support companies as opposed to line battalions?

[thick edge]

Didn’t the US try something with it

The US navy to be specific

https://youtu.be/w6vgVTJK_rg?si=kk1o_YE9zmTln9fv

[steep nest]

USS Akron. A patrol airship for the US navy in the pacific theatre. Equipped with parasite fighters that would be used to scout for the enemy fleet and protect the mothership. Unfortunately, it was lost before combat service due to bad weather

[brittle venture]

hi chri sti gpa

[cosmic stag]

me likey

[cosmic stag]

id add mlrs and mrls

and new afvs ifvs and apcs

[stable tusk]

If modern infantry weapons are added, I think a good candidate for it would be the FN FAL

[safe willow]

add one:
sattelite & space stuff

[safe willow]

MP5?

[crimson tartan]

i can't get why artillery reduces div org

[wispy peak]

Because artillery is a logistically intensive thing to move around

The infantry need to protect it, it takes a while to hook up and move around, it requires much more supplies

Additionally the infantry can only advance as far as their artillery can keep up (Think the germans having to pause at dunkirk due to outrunning their artillery)

So it reduces division organization due to it being a very demanding thing to move around and supply in a sense

[crimson tartan]

but it makes all the line artillery useless 😟

[wispy peak]

Yeah sadly Line artillery isnt great due to it

Take the fire concentration sub doctrine to help it a bit

[crimson tartan]

hm... yeah... mmmm

ok so how does this work

[wispy peak]

So you master a sub doctrine by training and using the units in battle

So for the fire support doctrine its artillery and support companies

Infantry, and Armor and self explanatory and I think operations can master from it all

So just train and use the units in battle

[crimson tartan]

"instantly grants?"

[wispy peak]

Yeah when you select a sub doctrine it will instantly grant one buff

You then master to the milestones to get more

Once you fully master a sub doctrine it will grant a "Grand doctrine" buff related to what you selected

In your case a superior firepower buff

[crimson tartan]

oh damn

thank you so much 🙂

[wispy peak]

Np

[brittle venture]

its not the reason but it doesnt help

[wispy peak]

Yeah theres a multitude but thats a big one for me the org penalty

[brittle venture]

the big one is breakthrough

org isnt that relevant

[crimson tartan]

how could soviets use the whole artillery brigades and divisions while having ZERO org bruh 😬

[pseudo wing]

There was a minor hotfix today to fix an issue with Tech stacking weirdly, should be live now

[drifting star]

When will thunder at our gates first dev diary come ?

[onyx hull]

Sometime this year I’d assume

[brittle venture]

before 2100

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-professor-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-bender-gif-25198969

[regal ember]

W?

[eternal arch]

paradox PLEASE add a gamerule that stops the ai from spamming last stand

this is the 5th time in a row

[nova smelt]

when doing the beaten but not defeated civil war path as ussr is the civil war easier if you delete all of your army before the war?

[brittle venture]

find out

[wooden wyvern]

casey on a murder streak today

[brittle venture]

what did i do

im trying to figure out what inf doctrine to use rn

and im confused

[wooden wyvern]

nothing just saying hi

[wooden wyvern]

when in doubt, default to larp

[brittle venture]

im playing saudi arabia idk what the larp is

[polar jasper]

Great War Inf clearly

[brittle venture]

no

oh did i mention i have the mod on that wont let me research just for fun

so all the infantry is like, gun 0

artillery is questionable to attain

the industry sucks

[fading walrus]

Why are you torturing yourself

[brittle venture]

the manpower is alright after going to war with the uk

[brittle venture]

its interesting

but so, i didnt know what infantry doctrine to pick because most focus on buffing infantry

which, doesnt need to be buffed

so assault infantry seemed best

i mean i made a tank division cuz i licensed the type 89 I-Go and then edited it a bit

which is a powerful weapon

compared to the guns

[pastel flume]

oman is better imo, makes it easier to form arabia by doing a civil war and the other side spawns on the hormuz state,

[brittle venture]

you start as a puppet tho

also i wanted to play saudi arabia

honestly yemen kinda clears

[pastel flume]

thats why i literally said to civil war

[brittle venture]

you just get so mucb core pop and gokd terrain

[brittle venture]

but i wanna be non aligned

i dont wanna have some generic leader

civil war also gives 1+ free factories if you time your focuses correctly, its basically cheating

[midnight dove]

i mean play as saudi and build up oil refineries and then free trade is interesting

[brittle venture]

i dont think you understand the starting situation of saudi arabia

[pastel flume]

yeah i just let the other side develop in that tiny state before launching the invasion and then saudi arabia is easy you just spam cav and naval invade each coast tile

[midnight dove]

i know

🙏🙏🙏

til 48 you can do that

[fading walrus]

They didn’t have infrastructure to extract the oil in the 1930’s

[midnight dove]

yeah

[pastel flume]

the hard part is yemen but i just let them take saudi arabia while i naval invade the capital

[midnight dove]

but you can build them

[brittle venture]

oh i got tech

so they have an easy to take desert tile

and theyll try to push you out of it with most/all of their units

[wooden wyvern]

shoot \

[brittle venture]

and if you let them the capital is usually open or easy to take

[wooden wyvern]

camelry

[brittle venture]

#hoi4-general or #off-topic might be better suited for this conversation, though

[fading walrus]

Camels in Rome total war would reduce enemy Calvary unit morale

[subtle remnant]

best 1938 tank desgin and template for germany?

[brittle venture]

#ask-for-help-here

[fading walrus]

It’s based on an account that Persian camels scared their enemy Calvary in a war under Cyrus the great as the Rome total war time frame ends in 476

[subtle remnant]

sryyy

[wooden wyvern]

familiar sounding year

[fading walrus]

Fall of the Western Roman Empire

When Odacer deposed Romulus Augustulus

[solid gyro]

would the Guangxi get a branch surrounding Li Zongren ?

Li Zongren was especially important during the Second Chinese civil war
when he became the de facto leader of the KMT in the mainland as Chiang fled for Formosa (now Taiwan)

[hollow coral]

honestly they dont need it

[zealous crow]

they still scare them nowadays. horses get the "uncanny valley" feeling from camels since they are similar but different

they are cryptids essentially to em

[fresh cedar]

IMO the easiest country to unite China as is Li Zongren’s

You have tons of steel and decent industry, with minimal debuffs and foreign powers leave you alone moreso than others

I just wish there were Emperor portrait versions of the warlords

[hollow coral]

they couldnt even give enough shits about philippine portraits

[keen totem]

sucks how you have to rely on the US or Japan just to get more than two generals

[hollow coral]

and one of the generals werent even in the army til 42

[north hamlet]

nice.

[pseudo wing]

hwat

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/mod-update-warships-of-the-pacific.1903865/

try this

[north hamlet]

yeah, still

even switchin browsers

[pseudo wing]

that is odd

[keen totem]

really sucks there aren't more filipino generals on start

[eager prawn]

@pseudo wing when will Warships of the pacific release?
Maybe in ~2 weeks?
Btw many thx guys. This update is huge news for mods like Additional ship models.

[pseudo wing]

No release date has been announced yet

[eager prawn]

Thx

[midnight dove]

what this dlc will be about

[pliant bone]

...

which one

[midnight dove]

warships of the pacific

man the guns 2?

[stable tusk]

It's new unit models for ships

[midnight dove]

only ts?

😭😭💔💔💔

i trought that was a usa rework

[stable tusk]

It's not a big DLC just a little unit model thing
Next DLCs with actual country content will be Thunder at our Gates and Peace for our Time
TAOG will be Australia, Siam, and Dutch East Indies while PFOT will be just for Czechoslovakia but it's being made by a team of modders

[thick edge]

Wait for 1-2 yesrs

Or steam workshop

[brittle venture]

no one likes that country

well its also like

in MtG they made some modern day references with the US content

and now theyll have to rework it probably with less/none of those

and it just wasnt rlly on the priority list before

afaik

[hollow lion]

Was it really references or has the US just not changed that much?

[brittle venture]

one min

[midnight dove]

yes but it had a important participation on the japanese front

[brittle venture]

thats why theyre updating australia

[brittle venture]

i could swear there was something

lowkey forgot

[thick edge]

They did some other things

[thick edge]

The US general’s level’s changed after NCNS

[hollow lion]

Yes, that's partly related to them going to the Philippines

[fresh cedar]

I couldn’t either ngl 😭

[keen totem]

once you played the philippines like once or twice you've basically played all the paths

[fresh cedar]

Yeah kinda gave me Switzerland vibes, just wasn’t a fan.

[keen totem]

it's not very replayable personally

[fresh cedar]

I don’t love island nations in general though

[keen totem]

only really enjoyed the hispanic empire path but even then it took forever to get rid of the ridiculous debuffs the philippines has

[brittle venture]

could be worse

[keen totem]

anything can be fun if enough care is put into it

[keen totem]

i wouldn't say it's terrible just not a country i personally go "i want to play them again!"

[brittle venture]

the philippines will probably become more fun with the next dlc lowkey

since youll have other regional content

[fresh cedar]

I think they did a decent job with trying to make the Phillipines fun. Like commie pirates, Spanish empire, McArthur Fascism, and like the normal paths

[keen totem]

i feel they should've held off on the philippines

put more attention to china or somewhere else

and have the philippines release with ToaG

[keen totem]

but i feel you may be right

[fresh cedar]

Ngl idk how they would’ve made the Phillipines better

[keen totem]

right now the whole region feels bland aside from the philippines

[brittle venture]

like if youre someone not used to the pacific content drought youll hate it

but thats just how it is

[keen totem]

kind of the same issue i have with nationalist china

[fresh cedar]

Think the region lacks content, not the country

[keen totem]

the debuffs are so absurd and it takes so painfully long to get rid of

[brittle venture]

^^^

[keen totem]

perfectly fair

[brittle venture]

oh yeah it sucks but if you ignore the army its fine

just do navy

[keen totem]

i myself will probably have an opinion shift once ToaG releases

[fresh cedar]

Would be like if the gave Cuba a focus tree but the rest of the Caribbean and Central America stays the same

[brittle venture]

literally what mexico is

but like

[fresh cedar]

Exactly why I prefer warlords 😂

[keen totem]

the entirety of the americas are kind of bland honestly

[brittle venture]

the pacific count be rlly interesting if there were nations with content/the ocean mattered (huge area of earth)

[keen totem]

aside from ToA nations i guess

[brittle venture]

it just doesnt rn

[fresh cedar]

Specifically with Phillipines though, Japan majority of the time will invade you, or the US.