latest-updates

[solid gyro]

Will there be an updated road map after the changes of today?

[brittle venture]

No

[drifting star]

🥀🥀🥀

[drifting star]

I hope so but I think not otherwise they would have just said that to begin with

[hazy jetty]

was there an update recently that changed the size of the UI and division icons or am I actually going INSANE

maybe im insane but it looks so much smaller

[pseudo wing]

There was no recent update that did this

did you perhaps change monitor resolution?

or change monitors entirely?

[hazy jetty]

nope, same resolution, no mods activated, scale is the same

[cosmic falcon]

I hope we get a dev diary tomorrow.

[cosmic falcon]

What do you think the next dev diary will be about?

[cold gale]

either japan or china

[drifting star]

I think it would be nice if we got some info on new states being added to China

Or maybe a first look at the new tree

[cold gale]

imagine if china turns into new USA with 60+ states being added to it 🧌

[drifting star]

They need 100+ states

[cold gale]

True

usa needs state rework

[drifting star]

They already have 90

Ccp needs rework

I can’t wait for the insane alt history paths

[fading walrus]

all of China needs a rework

TBF

KMT and CCP should be get the most content

[drifting star]

Yea and there has to be a way to combine communist China and Russia

[drifting star]

Agreed and the warlords should have some unique schizo paths

[fading walrus]

the warlords should have smaller trees with some different flavor

I'm curious how bad the KMT are going to get nerfed

[drifting star]

Mongolia and Inner Mongolia need trees

[fading walrus]

like its pretty easy to win as them currently

I won as them in 1938

Japan was down to 20 Divs

[drifting star]

Kaizeriech level debuffs

Just negatives for everything

[fading walrus]

Manchuko should get some more Qing flavor

[drifting star]

You know what would be cool a more expansive industrial tree post war

[drifting star]

It needs something more insane

[fading walrus]

like what

[drifting star]

I’ll leave it to paradox to come up with it

Also a silk roads empire Easter egg

[fading walrus]

I mean the Qing Path is already insane

you basically rebel against Japan and take over all of China

[drifting star]

Puyi wanted to become emperor again so it’s not crazy

I’m thinking emperor of heaven

[fading walrus]

yeah but him doing it on his own

[drifting star]

He was always a puppet so really it would be the Manchus in the cabinet that would be controlling it

Also remember that people fought against KMT in the name of the Chinese emperor

Did you know Puyi died as a regular guy and was apart of the ccp and remarried ?

[fading walrus]

yes

I knew that

[drifting star]

It’s so interesting

Sinkang should get an ottoman /turkiik path

[quasi harbor]

The allies suck so much at D day, i hope the next update helps them focus their naval invasions

[gloomy bear]

when does the new faction dynamics update come out?

[silent flame]

Where’s the dev diary roadmap?

[fresh cedar]

Could be this week or next

There’s atleast 6 in August

[dull minnow]

I think this is the old version

According to the newer version, they're already behind schedule

[brittle venture]

No thats the new one

[brittle venture]

This is old

They decided to blur dates because of uncertainty/workload

Which is fine

[quasi harbor]

Gotterdammerung finally has a sale

[dreamy remnant]

Anyone knows how long this sale will prob last

[quasi harbor]

18 august

[dreamy remnant]

ty

[rugged gazelle]

In your opinion when will be implemented the proposals of the dev corners?

[maiden sierra]

Judging by their regular schedule, somewhere this year

[fading walrus]

I think this dlc will be released in December

Because historical reasons

[silent flame]

Where do you find this?

[fresh cedar]

Chak sent the link to it

Up above

[rugged gazelle]

And the free patch? Before?

[fading walrus]

what free patch I have never heard of this until now

IK historical Japan will be free and maybe historical KMT and CCP China

[fresh cedar]

I’d guess September or November tbh

[fading walrus]

so end of the year makes sense

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey historical Korea too

[fading walrus]

probably not but I could be wrong

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/koryan-gif-26023848

[brittle venture]

Tbh since hoi4 has been looking to extent time played theyll add korea with both hist and ahist options for postwar content

Is what i think

[polar jasper]

But my 1948 end date

[brittle venture]

1948 had the korea divide

[polar jasper]

Yeah

But were they still basically under American and Soviet occupation or did they get their governments installed

[rugged gazelle]

I suppose the dev corners implementation will be in the free patch

[thick edge]

We need hoi5 to have a 1948 start date

[cosmic stag]

there is the Cold war mod

[quasi harbor]

That would required making all the equipment anew

• more technologies

Focus trees for all nations

Might aswell make Hoi5

[brittle venture]

What about a 1988 start date

[thick edge]

That’s what I said

[quasi harbor]

Lol sorry, i completely misread it as we need hoi4

Hoi5 will probably come when we are all in retirement tho

[long ibex]

@brittle venture https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/hoi-5-in-2029-30-how-will-it-be.1852730/

[brittle venture]

Yes thats the time ive been saying

5 ish years from now

[cosmic stag]

i wonder if HOI5 will be again ww2

[quasi harbor]

They still have 5 years, maybe they'll make it about ww3

[brittle venture]

No

Hearts of iron is a ww2 series of games

[fading walrus]

unfunny

and no

[brittle venture]

Also thats just your thread

Not actual devs

Not confirmed

[digital pumice]

there is no hoi5

and its never coming

[long ibex]

Hoi5 will be more organic, more sandbox, with more locations and all elements (production, training, research) will be more linked to the map.

[brittle venture]

I know this

Theres currently no reason for them to publish it at minimum

[digital pumice]

there isnt much to improve on

[brittle venture]

With at most some minimal resources already developing it (more in the lines of ideas/outlines than real code)

[digital pumice]

unless you change the core mechanics of the game

which is what hoi5 would be if it ever came

[brittle venture]

Then youre just gonna make hoi3 (inaccesable to new players like vic3) but with alt hist

[digital pumice]

i can see them completely scraping the focus system for somthing more dynamic and less linear

[brittle venture]

With recent games with the exception of ck3, the games are not at all accessable to new players

Ck3 is peak design imo, just not peak long term gameplay

Its a fine line to thread

Thread on*

[digital pumice]

wdym

[brittle venture]

Ck3 is super easy to learn, everything else imo not really

[digital pumice]

yeah it seems to have more mechanics than hoi4

[brittle venture]

Ck3 has the thing of if you choose any thing to specialize in its just busted

[brittle venture]

And also your character die

So you dont keep it forever

Dies*

[digital pumice]

it'd be cool to have that in hoi4

like

more leader interactions

[long ibex]

2026: the end of Expansion Pass 2 (Japan, Chinese, south east asia, energy, naval rework...)

2027: the end of Expansion Pass 3 (Allies, probably north Africa, diplo landscape, politics rework...)

2028: IDK, but more country packs are coming

2029-30 HoI 5

[fading walrus]

seems about right

[brittle venture]

Ehh i doubt it with the player chart of hoi4

But we will see

They need to find a way to revive the youtube community

[fluid shadow]

Also the 4 untouched countries in north America

[brittle venture]

But the game is very alive and relevant

[fluid shadow]

Gotta squeeze out these last bits of money from the playerbase

[digital pumice]

dont forget liberia dlc

[brittle venture]

Thats not it man

[digital pumice]

and bhutan expansion

[brittle venture]

The game just is not dying/is actively growing

[digital pumice]

and tibet rework

[brittle venture]

The only thing dying has been the youtube community

Which is why people sprout information that is just false

And paradox needs to find a way to revolve that issue

[digital pumice]

well tbf it did hit its peak active players 9-10 months ago

with gdr release

its still very much growing

despite its age

[brittle venture]

Its not about peaks just the general line goes up

[fluid shadow]

Well yes, but I also consider them to be a greedy company

Like most are

[brittle venture]

All companies look to make profit

[pseudo wing]

I do not have exact numbers on hand but it is still growing, though of course its not something like Fortnite growth

[fading walrus]

EA, Activision and CA are worse TBCH

[fluid shadow]

Yeah, that's why they exist

[digital pumice]

the ytb community is also not bad

[brittle venture]

I didnt say bad, just dying

Very slowly

[fluid shadow]

Not saying that they aren't?

[fading walrus]

like I'm not paying 1000 USD worth of money to unlock a map

[digital pumice]

i mean the big ytbers are still very much active

and still making decent numbers

[fluid shadow]

And that pertains to what I was talking about how?

[brittle venture]

Stagnation stage rn

Which is bad for a growing game

[fading walrus]

I'm talking about total war Warhammer 1-3

[pseudo wing]

I believe YouTube as a platform is contracting slightly at the moment due to many factors, its not a specific community that is or isn't shrinking

[fluid shadow]

Again, how does this matter to what I'm talking about?

[fading walrus]

because the grass is always greener

[digital pumice]

only time can tell i suppose

but the thing is this game isnt dying anytime soon

[brittle venture]

Yeah

I get why people argue it tho

Very stagnant on youtube which is a lot of its publicity

[digital pumice]

there will always be that kind of people

[fading walrus]

yeah thats more of youtube problem because youtube has been doing dumb changes that nobody wants lately

[fluid shadow]

Alright, I should've figured that I wasn't going to get a good answer on this

It doesn't matter if EA is worse

Or whatever

Those things didn't matter to what I was saying

[fading walrus]

I mean I remember that games as old as 1997 had expnasion packs

[brittle venture]

Theyre very loud and i dislike misinformation (even though i spread it on accident sometimes but yk)

[fading walrus]

Age Of Empires 1 had Rise of Rome which was made in 1998

[digital pumice]

its not like they're changing anything

[fading walrus]

Age of Empires 2 the conqueres 2000

[digital pumice]

people that play continue to play

[fading walrus]

Red alert 2 Yuri's Revenge 2001

[digital pumice]

and new people are always coming

[fluid shadow]

Yeah sure, and in certain ways you could consider that greedy to

[brittle venture]

I know its just better to tell them about how it is

Changing 1 persons mind does a lot

[digital pumice]

most of them just say it out of hate for paradox

so its hard to change their mind

[brittle venture]

Mot particularly

Not on this server anyway

[fading walrus]

we didn't complain about this in the 2000's to 2013 though

[brittle venture]

Most people say it out of care here, or out of just misjudgement

Which is fine

[fading walrus]

I mean I was born in 2001

[fluid shadow]

Well that was because I wasn't born for the majority of that time

[fading walrus]

and there were a ton of crappy shovelware games

[fluid shadow]

Now I'm here and I'm going to complain

[brittle venture]

The old game model is quite good for longevity

The issue with the games market now is that most games arent given the opportunity to run that course

Hoi4 and tf2 have that opportunity; tf2 was abandoned instead of expanded on, and the pdx devs do not wish the same for hoi4

A great example within pdx is stellaris who has been granted this opportunity and is being given continuous love and support for so many years

Hoi5 will come if this opportunity doesnt exist anymore for hoi4

[fading walrus]

Hoi4 has been around for almost 10 years

which is impressive

[fluid shadow]

Wild to thing that 2016 was 10 years ago

Think

[fading walrus]

still better than Creative Assembly because they abandonned their core audiance

last true historical Creative Assembly game was Thrones of Brittannia in 2017

and it wasn't good

last good Total war game was Attila total war 2015

and if Hoi5 comes out hoi4 will still be used

for modding

[fluid shadow]

Okay, cool to know ig

[fading walrus]

I mean Attila, despite being 10 years old has a big modding scene

same with Rome 2 which was released in 2013

and Star Wars Empire at war from 2007 has mods being updated this year as a matter of fact

[brittle venture]

It looked cool on youtube tbf

[fading walrus]

which one

ToB or attila

[brittle venture]

Thrones of britannia

[fading walrus]

I played Attila

[brittle venture]

Didnt have a pc never played it

[fading walrus]

I had a blast as the WRE

[brittle venture]

I liked the uh

Smaller scope of thrones

Just looks neat

[fading walrus]

I get that but there are other smaller scope campaigns that are better

like the Kingdoms expanisons for Medival II which are included with the steam purchase

like the Americas campaign in which you can play as the Spanish, Aztecs, Mayans and Appache to name a few

[drifting star]

🥀

[main citrus]

Any updates on the DevCorner? Have new dates been announced, or is there any delay info?

[drifting star]

Maybe tomorrow they said slight adjustment but this feels a little more than slight

[brittle venture]

Give it time

[drifting star]

Ok yes sir

[stuck gate]

Is a Dev Diary expected today?

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-professor-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-bender-gif-25198969

[fresh cedar]

I’d guess Thursday

[cosmic falcon]

Maybe we'll get the next Dev Diary when the Official Announcement Trailer for the next DLC drops.

[fresh cedar]

That would be awesome

[brittle venture]

Forums

[topaz grove]

Sorry

[brittle venture]

No dont worry

Common question

Dont feel bad about it

[lethal folio]

So no dev diary today?

[polar jasper]

There is no dev diary, there is only dev corner...

The problem is that the devs have been working in circular rooms, thereby there are no dev corners

[cosmic falcon]

So it's Dev Circles?

[drifting star]

Rip dev thingie

[drifting star]

Dev triangles

Or dev squares

[silent flame]

Give us dev shapes pls

[drifting star]

Why not dev sizes

[limber ruin]

Nothing ever happens ahh dev corner release dates

[cold gale]

You’ve got an hour

[maiden sierra]

Trust

They generally release at 3, 4 or 5

[cold gale]

Hmmm, it maybe today due to Hiroshima

Since the nuking happened between the 6th and the 9th and paradox normally posts on tuesdays or thursdays with dev corners

[long ibex]

No dev corner at this time 😦

[brittle venture]

Thats a stretch but maybe

Itd more likely be like pacific campaign dates like iwo jima lol

[cold gale]

If it was Iwo Jima it would’ve been February-March

Well

Guadalcanal campaign started today in 1942 so that could be a clue

Maybe Tuesday it’ll be released, not sure though

[cosmic falcon]

You think we'll get a dev diary next week?

[fading walrus]

My great grandfather was there

Lol

Aboard the USS Dakota

My Grandpa was 3

[cold gale]

Damn

[fading walrus]

I talked to my grandpa he rememberes being given candy by soldiers during the 1940’s when he was a little kid

[digital pumice]

what nationality was your father

[fading walrus]

American

[digital pumice]

cool

[polar jasper]

South Dakota I assume?

Or was there an actual USS Dakota

[fading walrus]

Yes that one

Im gonna see its sister ship USS Massachusetts this year hopefully

Only the USS Massachusetts and Alabama are left

[pastel lantern]

When new dlc comes

[polar jasper]

Fall probably

Winter at latest

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-professor-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-bender-gif-25198969

[fresh cedar]

Probably November

Bet it’ll be part of an expansion pass

[drifting star]

Expansion pass 2

What could they possibly add as the next country pack

[mellow laurel]

Hmm

Something in Southeast Asia/Oceania? Stuff about Siam, Malaysia, Australia, and the Dutch East Indies?

That or a country pack about British colonies in general

[brittle venture]

Nothing in europe prob

Which is fine

World isnt european

[fresh cedar]

Japan and China main dlc, Southeast Asia secondary dlc so Phillipines, Siam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Burma. And then a cosmetic vehicle pack (prob special projects)

[mellow laurel]

They could do something in the Balkans, maybe. I think Yugoslavia is the only country not yet covered by a dlc or country pack in there, though.

[brittle venture]

It has been

[mellow laurel]

Which one?

[fresh cedar]

Doesn’t really make sense in an expansion pass together tho

[fresh cedar]

Death or Dishonor I think?

[mellow laurel]

Right, one of the integrated dlcs

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-geekin-tuff-gif-13245814615649174271

Need new dev diary asap

[mellow laurel]

Given Hungary was part of that country pack, and it got revised in the latest DLC, I wouldn’t count any other countries in that pack as not being candidates for revisiting, but they’d need to be the focus of a dlc, not a country pack

[fresh cedar]

Tbh Czechs should’ve been part of GDR

And it was a crime that it wasn’t

[mellow laurel]

(Incidentally, this is why I don’t think the US or Britain will get a new focus tree for a while, even though their focus trees are particularly bad, because their focus trees last got revised with Man the Guns, which is still separate DLC, rather than integrated content. If Man the Guns gets integrated, then we’ll see what happens)

[fresh cedar]

Would probably see a greater Allies DLC that interacts with the new faction system more

[mellow laurel]

A DLC focused on the Balkans featuring Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Albania, and Romania could be cool. Maybe a revisiting of diplomacy to make stuff like surprise attacks and/or faction changes more dynamic.

[mellow laurel]

That would also be good. I honestly feel like, compared to the other DLCs, everything that’s being touched on in the dev corners currently is worth two dlcs. Maybe there’s one for the naval overhaul, and one for the faction dynamics overhaul.

[brittle venture]

Acting like bulgaria isnt one of the best focus trees

[drifting star]

We need a Cold War dlc

[pastel lantern]

What’s an expansion pass?

[drifting star]

It’s what was done last year for the Germany dlc

[pastel lantern]

I wasn’t playing last year lol

[fresh cedar]

It’s a dlc pack. So the last one came with graveyard of empires, a vehicle pack and gotterdamerung

So instead of spending like maybe $50, it cost $40 for it all

[pastel lantern]

Oh ok

[drifting star]

Just this basically

[fresh cedar]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

Honestly if you are sane, I’d just buy the specific dlc you want

[pastel lantern]

I own all dlcs

[fresh cedar]

Then buy the pass, it’ll save you some money next time 😂

Technically get a bonus song too

[pastel lantern]

I wasn’t sure what was that

[fresh cedar]

That makes sense

[drifting star]

Bro where the diaries this is crazy blud

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[slow quest]

Truth nuke

[mild patrol]

Dlc will release in either october or november

[hexed mango]

January 2027

[silent flame]

Surely they put one out today

Otherwise they have to pack them at the end of the month

[cold gale]

It’s gonna be next week, not this one

[topaz grove]

My only living condition for the next 2 years is to get the Czechoslovakian reworked focus tree

Little entente countries have just so old and small focus trees that they are not even fun to after few tries

So I hope in the next update they make it 🤞

[brittle venture]

Bro complaining about europe

Thats crazy

[topaz grove]

Yeah

WHO the hell play New Zealand

And they made new focus trees for it

[topaz grove]

I enjoy playing Europe

Poland and Austria Hungary is on top for me

[brittle venture]

Its a good focus tree tbh

People just be hating

But like asia and central america need wayy more work than europe

[hollow coral]

the default focus tree is arguably better

[brittle venture]

No?

Default tree is better at gun rush

But you get fastest engine 3 in the game + 6 research slots

Also decisions to take islands and form oceania

Its not that bad just the political tree is underdeveloped

[hollow coral]

new zealand definitely got the short end of the stick

like greece in bftb

[hollow lion]

that GIF got lots of flashing so imma remove, please avoid

[vague goblet]

When is the japan rework gonna happen

[brittle venture]

This year most likely

[maiden sierra]

NZ has a similar amount of IC compared to Australia, they're not weak. There's 6 MIL and 4 CIV in there compared to 3 and 4 for the generic focus tree. NZ also has a bunch of navy focuses with massive ahead of time penalties, and can send volunteers while democratic.

Sure, they could do better. But why would they spend more resources developing New Zealand?

[brittle venture]

Nzl has like one of the best air trees in the game tbh

Which even in singleplayer with good usage is just really good for fighting generally other minors

Ofc it cant fight a major power

But thats fine?? Not every minor needs to be equal to majors in fighting strenght

It should be a challenge if you choose to play a minor power imo

But at the same time they should be similar to other minor powers around them

Take for example iran of a nation thats weaker than the other minor powers around it because of focus tree bloat for afghan, india and iraq but not irna

Iran*

Imo thats bad design

[topaz grove]

Fr

Okay but when u look at the historical power of czechoslovakia in 1936 it was literally the strongest nations after the majors

And it has one of the most underdeveloped focus trees in the game

So u can’t really achieve what could have been achieved if brits and french didn’t betray them in the Munich conference

[mellow laurel]

^

Before the Munich agreement Czechoslovakia was the industrial powerhouse of Eastern Europe

[topaz grove]

Yeah

But it doesn’t seem like that in HOI4

Even Poland couldn’t match it nor Romania or Yugoslavia (which are all larger)

[drifting star]

We living in interesting times

[spare sage]

we live

in time

of living

[inland bloom]

we live in a period in which politicians arent very popular

[hollow lion]

this is not the place to discuss that

[left jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/иди-и-смотри-come-and-see-флёра-gif-6614181645159923836

[drifting star]

Dev diary next week ?

[drifting star]

Wonder if China is being included in this dlc

[devout valley]

Yes I think

[drifting star]

Hopefully Japan as well

Or Dutch East Indies

[devout valley]

Japan gets it

Confirmed

[drifting star]

Let’s goo

Dev diaries betta start soon

[devout valley]

Carrier rework btw

[drifting star]

If I knew navy this would matter to me

[devout valley]

And also island hopping better

[brittle venture]

Japan and china are confirmed

Anyone else is not

[drifting star]

I can’t wait to here new features

[wooden wyvern]

so we're getting resource rework, navy rework, and island rework with japan and china + whatever else nations all in one?

[polar jasper]

Don't forget faction rework

[wooden wyvern]

damn

do we know which of these we getting for free

[polar jasper]

Most game mechanics

I would say navy is for sure base game

[wooden wyvern]

damn hold up

[polar jasper]

Faction might be with DLC

Power will be base game 100%

Japan historical will be updated

[wooden wyvern]

wont faction being dlc be messy though

[sharp spade]

I think Japan, China, Manchuko and the warlords will be the only focus with Japan and China getting the most then Manchuko and the PRC and then a better generic tree for the warlords

Possibly a bigger powerstruggle for a warlord to claim China

[wooden wyvern]

i think siam deserves a tree

unless they do a country pack with burma and indochina and whatever else

[sharp spade]

probably country pack

Siam would get the bigger tree out of the pack

[hexed mango]

I think that japan and china should both get separate dlcs, so that they can focus on one major in detail, having a chinese dlc with a huge rework and a good communist china tree and having every warlord have a baltic style focus tree in one dlc and then having japan having a huge in detail rework with manchukuo having a decent rework and some south east asia new focuses (siam, indonesia, malaya)

[fresh cedar]

Think the Phillipines would be alongside Japan too

And it seems like Korea may exist now

[timber ice]

Guys

Wait wrong channel

[fading walrus]

<@&846894118219022336>

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[floral scaffold]

Isn't China considered to be a minor in terms of its significance in WW2?

With its civil war and war with Japan being the major events rather

[hexed mango]

Technically

But china is genuinely a majorbin everything but name

If china gets a rework it deserves one the size of the ussr

[floral scaffold]

I could see a country pack for China rather than a Mechanic DLC

[hexed mango]

Or italy

[hexed mango]

That would be ideal

[floral scaffold]

Something similar to the Nordics or India

As the problem with giving countries Mechanic DLCs is that if people aren't interested in the country it isnt optimal to "force" them to buy DLCs for the mechanics

[hexed mango]

With a huge china rework and communist china also getting a decently sized rework with post war focuses

And the warlords also deserve some love

Eqch should have some unique paths

[floral scaffold]

Yeah it'd be something similar to Ethiopia in BBA

[hexed mango]

Like sinkiang could have some interesting choiches

Or xibei san ma since afaik that region is muslim majority

Islamic republic of china path

[brittle venture]

china and jap are confirmed for next dlc

idk about warlords but likely

[brittle venture]

absolutely not

[mellow laurel]

Japan’s army spent close to a decade in China, and, despite China largely being the focus of the IJA, China managed to at least them bogged down, albeit through immense sacrifice.

The only reason China isn’t considered a Major is because its territory is split into all the warlords.

[brittle venture]

minor significance is what he claimed

when they were the bloodiest front and if it wasnt for china holding out, japan wouldve had severely more fighting strenght/economic strenght

and if they had conceded to japanese demands at any point, the US either wouldnt have embargoed japan or it wouldnt be a multi front war for japan allowing them to possibly win, or at least, force the US to back out

[mellow laurel]

It’s debatable if they could have forced the US to back out, given the disparity in naval construction capacity between the US and Japan

[brittle venture]

yeah of course, but it was always about the initial strike

which they wouldve had significantly more resources for

[mellow laurel]

The biggest problem is that once Pearl Harbor happened, the US would not accept anything but unconditional surrender from Japan, and it would take a truly insane amount of ships being sunk to change that.

[trim quartz]

Solution: Sink Japan

[wooden wyvern]

in terms of actual strength yea they dont stack up to even italy other then in sheer numbers
but strategically they were instrumental in tying down the majority of the ija

also the entire reason japan entered the war against the allies atp was to get resources to continue the war in china to get the resources from china

the fact that they were unable to do so is a huge reason why their war machine wasnt able to keep up past the first 6 months of 1942

[obsidian skiff]

I don’t think that was the bloodiest front, I think that was the eastern front.

[brittle venture]

second at worst then

[obsidian skiff]

Yeah. Eastern front was over 30 million casualties about and china was 23-29 depending on the count.

[hollow coral]

But does that count the civilian casualties?

[mellow laurel]

^

The Chinese front was possibly the worst for civilians

Both sides were fully willing to kill large amounts of civilians

The Chinese to try and keep the IJA out, the IJA because they were encouraged to be brutal

[long ibex]

I thought that next big expansion would include JAP and CHI and country pack would include Southest Asia...

But it would make sense for the expansion to include only Jap focusing on Pacific and south east asia, and country pack to include Chinese civil war and defense against Japanese invation.

[lilac vessel]

CHI and JAP is guaranteed

[inner storm]

.

[fresh cedar]

China lost like half of all the people that died in WW2? How is that minor

[polar jasper]

China also got a permanent seat at the UN security council.

Partially because they were a USA yes man, but they got a permanent seat nonetheless.

[mellow laurel]

Then the communists successfully couped the existing government

[stoic moat]

Their death rates are estimated at 20 million nowhere near half of all deaths in ww2 that's about 35 to 40 millions

[mellow laurel]

Does that count civilians?

[stoic moat]

Yes

Military deaths for China are small compared to civilian ones

3 to 4 million military deaths and the rest are civilians I think

[brittle venture]

The main point is that it was by no means a minor frontier

[mellow laurel]

^

The Chinese front was the longest-running front of World War 2

That isn’t something that can easily be discounted

[fresh cedar]

20 million is a safe estimate often disputed

Even so, that’s about 1/3-1/4 of all WW2 deaths

So not minor

Next

[stoic moat]

Didn't mean to showcase it as minor I just wanted to give more detail on chinese deaths not downplay their part in the war

[fresh cedar]

I just hope China feels like a larger conflict. To me Europe has always felt really large and difficult to fight in. While China felt kind of small in comparison.

[mellow laurel]

I think because ultimately none of the Warlord Cliques are really in the main path of Japanese expansion, so it always boils down to both the Republic of China and Communist China versus Japan, which isn't exactly as multifaceted as Europe's conflict, mostly because there's only really one front to the land battle

[fresh cedar]

I think just the Chinese map feels sorta small too.

Like comparatively, Switzerland and the Benelux seem a decent size due to reworks

Needs more states/tiles

[fresh cedar]

That’s very true with the single front though

[silent flame]

Is China confirmed for the dlc?

[brittle venture]

mercator projection issue tbh

[brittle venture]

yeah

[mellow laurel]

Yep

[summer spoke]

How to increase commander division capacity

[hollow lion]

You put a high amount of units on the commander, then just use the command normally until he unlocks a trait, for field marshalls that also lets you then spend a trait point to upgrade their capacity

[wooden wyvern]

30m was just the soviets i think

without germans

unless youre only counting civilians

[wooden wyvern]

i mean china also just needs more tiles
fighting in china should be like fighting in russia in terms of size but it doesnt really feel like it

cause theres only like 30 states or smth

and i think they need to make all the coastal cities their own states like kaiserreich cause those were very important strategically

[mellow laurel]

Do you mean more states or more provinces? Because more provinces would make fighting more granular, where more states would affect what factories go where

[lethal folio]

dev diary today?

[cosmic falcon]

I hope it's this week.

[pseudo wing]

Got an update from Per regarding timelines posted over on reddit, posting it here so that more people can see it too

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1mnclxb/just_a_small_timeline_update/

[cosmic falcon]

Alright, thank you.

[maiden sierra]

Thank you Per, very cool

[silent flame]

Busy week end of August

[thorny copper]

@everyone

[stable tusk]

10 days until next dev corner

[fresh cedar]

Crying and throwing up

[mellow laurel]

Oof

[inland bloom]

everyday until the 21 and then again until 25 august

[inland bloom]

and as always Chak, thanks for this information, you bless the people that dont have reddit like me 🙃

[hexed mango]

I thought we were getting a dev diary

How disappointing

[inland bloom]

damn the sales or going up again

crazy

[drifting star]

Wonder if the announcement is for the dlc or the diaries

The dlc will change everything

[pseudo wing]

there are a few new additions to the sale if we look closely

[inland bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/wowawewa-borat-wowwawewaa-gif-15656274

https://tenor.com/view/borat-great-success-gif-26450399

very nice!!

[wooden wyvern]

both preferably

[fresh cedar]

Think it needs more states for sure but some of the western areas could use more tiles

For instance Germany and India got way more states

USA and China needs it too

[mellow laurel]

Right, I’m so used to Road to ‘56 that I forgot that there’s only 42 core states in for the US in the base game(IIRC all of New England is one big state and Delaware is absorbed into Maryland)

[solid gyro]

You have to balance them somehow

[fresh cedar]

The Soviets get like double the factories as the US which is bogus

[mellow laurel]

simple: just give them a tiny amount of max factories at start. Even stacking as many +factories in a state bonuses as you can get, you're not going to get a lot of extra build slots

besides, if any country deserves to have an insane industrial capacity, it's the US. It basically provided half the weapons used in the war by the Allies.

[fresh cedar]

Yet has half the industry as the Soviets late game.

[mellow laurel]

TBF, a lot of America’s industrial capacity should not be in number of factories but in bonuses to factory output.

IE: America should have double the output of everyone else with an equivalent number of factories

[devout valley]

no, then people would just civ boost usa and get lend lelase

[mellow laurel]

so?

[fresh cedar]

Just like real life

[wooden wyvern]

well i dont think it was necessarily just how many factories they had

usa got the bonus of being too far away to bomb and never having their production lines, transports, and everything else you need to make shit interupted by occupation or battles

idk too much about this part of the war particularly but id assume ussr would have more building slots just cause its bigger no?

[wooden wyvern]

i think the eastern states need more tiles over western
mostly cause the war never reaches western china and historically a large reason china was able to stalemate japan until 1944 was because they quite literally had 6x the men in their army, the impact of which isnt felt ingame because there arent enough tiles to spam that many divisions

[fresh cedar]

If you look at production outputs of countries during WW2, I mean really charts of items produced, you’d see this isn’t true

[maiden sierra]

The USSR and Germans received 30% and 25% efficiency cap in their trees respectively. Let's hope for a US update that brings it up to par

Never mind the fact that the Soviets and Germans also received better tank designers than the Detroit arsenal

[thick edge]

Us gets a +75% factory output bonus 🔥

[cosmic stag]

alr

cant wait for august 21

[dense flax]

why is the top civilian factory not being built?

[wooden wyvern]

consumer goods tkaing all your civs

you cant build anything till you fix that

[thick edge]

Hover over the toaster

[ancient wave]

Me when MEFO bills.

[thick edge]

Less percent good

[fading walrus]

MEFO bills

What are those

[ancient wave]

Germany's version of IOUs.

[fading walrus]

IK I was joking

I never use MEFO bills

[ancient wave]

Left branches rise up.

[fading walrus]

I go with P.E.G

[dense flax]

so how do i make it better

[thick edge]

Conquer people

Like Poland, Benelux, France, etc

[dense flax]

but i need factories to build tanks

and i need tanks to conquer poland

will this help with my problem

[thick edge]

Yes

Show ur focus tree btw

[thick edge]

Do institute price controls

And do every decision for it

[dense flax]

where is that

[hexed mango]

Another day another no dev diary published

[hexed mango]

They changed it...

[fresh cedar]

Yes

So much for “we’ll update you in advance” 😭😭😭

[hexed mango]

August 25, 26 and 27 gonna have part 1 2 3 of japanese focus tree

☝️

[fresh cedar]

Idek

[hexed mango]

Mark my words

[fresh cedar]

You expect a reveal trailer before tho

Prob first day will just be the reveal

And the scope of the coming expansion

[hexed mango]

Who knows, but that's like uhhh

[dense flax]

should i also do this?

[hexed mango]

Lemme see

Next Thursday

Brutal

[hexed mango]

No

[fresh cedar]

That just gives stability

[fresh cedar]

Hence why I said I’m crying and throwing up

[hexed mango]

You want your consumer goods to be as low as possible

[fresh cedar]

Just restart and do left economic tree

[hexed mango]

Same but I'm also rolling myself on the floor and peeing

[fresh cedar]

Literally projectile pooping

Def a long time

Hoping the whole faction system is better off

[dense flax]

should i put more military factories into medium tanks or wait for shortage to be over

[thick edge]

More on tanks

[dense flax]

why cant i do this?

[quiet wyvern]

dang

autocorrect

[brittle venture]

May i refer you to #ask-for-help-here for questions like these?

[pseudo wing]

No need to bring up a modern politician (is not allowed) but if someone is sending you slurs using this server as the contact point, it is actionable.

In the future, no need to bring up the issue in these channels, you just need to DM @polar badger and create a ticket, all the Moderators and my colleagues in the Community Team can see what you send

I am going to slightly clean up the chat to remove the offending content, but let's get back to the channel topic, yeah?

Anyone see that we added GDR to the sale

[icy nimbus]

they do by themselfs

[icy nimbus]

@obsidian canyon sorry man ur not allowed :(

[pseudo wing]

you would be correct

[icy nimbus]

mire

more

[fading walrus]

he's banned though

[icy nimbus]

500ish says is not good

[icy nimbus]

what abt the vdv guy

can i have his pfp

[icy nimbus]

why

[fading walrus]

he said bad stuff

[icy nimbus]

what did he say

send it in dms

[pseudo wing]

Any politician after the time period of the game (which is 1945-1950 ish) is not allowed for your profile or to be posted

Military members I don't usually count in this unless they are the people making decisions similar to politicians, because that becomes controversial. hence the disallowing of them.

Of course there are other people who are controversial themselves and we disallow that too but its mostly to stop people from targeting one another and inciting arguments

[icy nimbus]

can i put a mussolini pfp then?

[pseudo wing]

if its the HOI assets, yes

if not, then no

I do not prohibit anyone using HOI assets (not modded ones except for like that 'sigma' one) within their profiles

[icy nimbus]

aw

i wanted to put the looksmaxxing mussolini

[pseudo wing]

the sigma version of the HOI asset I allow because its a harmless filter, but custom ones outside of it aren't

sorry friend

[icy nimbus]

can I put the Führer pfp?

[pseudo wing]

if its the base hoi asset, yes

[icy nimbus]

ok

[pseudo wing]

but you cannot name yourself after him

[icy nimbus]

so this one’s good?

[pseudo wing]

is that the current one? or is that the old one from one of the DD's

[icy nimbus]

old one

[pseudo wing]

mm, I'd allow it, seeing as we published it in the DD's, its fair to allow for game assets to be used in profiles

edit: added an extra 'as' for whatever reason lol

[icy nimbus]

also whats DD!

developer somethting?

[pseudo wing]

The acronym for Developer Diary

[icy nimbus]

ah

ok

[pseudo wing]

There's DD's for developer diaries and DC for Developer Corners

[brittle venture]

DD also means destroyer

[drifting star]

Will the alt paths be toned down this time around ?

I like the whole emperor of chile and France thing but it is getting a bit much

[polar jasper]

If I play a country that doesn't have unique names for destroyers, I will be naming them after Developer Diaries

Because they are DDs

SS "Art and Achievements"

[fresh cedar]

Would this apply to Arnold Schwarzenegger

[pseudo wing]

Yes

Since he held a political office

[fresh cedar]

Dang

[polar jasper]

So we can't talk about the Terminator?

[fresh cedar]

Terminator version prob okay

[pseudo wing]

You can talk about the movie

[polar jasper]

That was before he took office

[pseudo wing]

It's a movie

You just can't talk about things outside of his movies, essentially

[polar jasper]

Seems legit

SO That Death of Stalin movie

[fresh cedar]

Oooh this is for political discourse

Gotcha

Game end is like 1948 right?

[polar jasper]

Me when I find a loophole

[pseudo wing]

Ur lucky I'm on mobile and too lazy to find the right knife emoji

[fresh cedar]

Death of Stalin was perfect

[polar jasper]

I am a defender of Rule 2, but I do like beating it up sometimes

[pseudo wing]

For the politics rule I count up to 1945, though I'm considering lengthening it to 1950

[polar jasper]

But never to the point I truly break it

[pseudo wing]

U just hate me

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey Stalin’s death would be a good point 😂

[polar jasper]

YO WE CAN TALK ABOUT TRUMAN AFTER HIS NEW YEARS PARTY IN 1945

[pseudo wing]

No, because you asked

[fresh cedar]

Death of Stalin, start of Chak Law

[polar jasper]

I wonder if he actually did have one lol

D:

[pseudo wing]

Apparently I'm already a Dam in the middle east

[polar jasper]

Now I'm trying to think of some philosophical razors that apply to the discord server now

Chak's Law: Any discussion of WW2 that lasts more than 5 minutes quickly results in a Rule 2 break

Is that the law you would like your name applied to?

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wtf-eyes-look-phone-gif-3927559383930151204

[brittle venture]

What about 1948 since thats when the last fighting in taiwan ended?

Or 49 i dont remember exactly

Also would line up with game end date

[pseudo wing]

Well now I don't wanna

Bc Casey said something

Smh

[thick edge]

how about the 17th of july of 1949

[polar jasper]

Chak's Razor: Any attempt to modify Rule 2 will be cut before a chance of implementation

[brittle venture]

God forbid i give suggestions /j

[pseudo wing]

smh I can't believe you're trying to do my job

take my money

[polar jasper]

I'm going to move my philosophical razors to off-topic

I need more ideas

[brittle venture]

Man if i got paid for this itd be like the world utopia meme fr

[pseudo wing]

|| https://tenor.com/view/amogus-transformer-gif-24514366 ||

[brittle venture]

:((

Evil

[pseudo wing]

I thought we knew this

[polar jasper]

dark mode user tsk tsk tsk

[pseudo wing]

I'll have you know I'm not using dark mode

[brittle venture]

You just act tough, youre really silly and nice actually (hot take)

[pseudo wing]

im using anything but lightmode mode

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-banned-gif-8540512

[long ibex]

How do you think they will approach the Indochina area? Possible premature independence of Vietnam and Laos?

[coral drift]

Thanks

[hollow coral]

possibly release indochina as a colony of france like they did with congo

it is the farthest large colony from them

[digital pumice]

Why would vietnam and laos be separate, its prolly gonna be one big indochinese puppet

[hollow lion]

[brittle venture]

Good morning marijn

[fresh cedar]

I’d imagine similar to the Congo. Just maybe good

Getting debuffs, shared focuses etc. I just hated how 80% of the Congo economic tree was tied to Belgium.

[fresh cedar]

I agree on this but wouldn’t be surprised if you could go a route that fractures it

Similar to the Yugo one

[maiden sierra]

Why did paradox even split Palestine, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon and Syria off? All they do is slow down the game

I only see it adding something if they have a proper focus tree like Congo

[hollow lion]

Good afternoon

[fresh cedar]

So Iraq would have a snack

Yet it can’t even do Kuwait 😭

Or Lebanon

[digital pumice]

That would be nice, but i doubt they would be adding that much content to indochina

[hollow coral]

Elaborate

Cuz indochina was really interesting and has so many different opportunities

[digital pumice]

They already have a lot to do reworking china and japan

[hollow coral]

Not in the next dlc obviously🧐

[digital pumice]

The chances of them relasing 2 asian dlcs in succession are very dim

And they prolly wont come back to asia in a long time after thid

So they may just give indochina a mini tree or something

Or who knows they may give it the congo treatment

[brittle venture]

Tbh no

We already are getting 2

GoE is in india

Getting another content pack for SEA isnt that unlikely

After all there were like 7 or something european dlcs in a row

Only exception being ToA

[cosmic stag]

hello Casey

[brittle venture]

Hi marko

[cosmic stag]

wassup

@brittle venture

[brittle venture]

Uhh not much just listening music wbu?

[cosmic stag]

im good myself

i just wanna make IRL a new security company called MRM SECURITY

i wanna hire at first 19 people then another 190 then finally 19k guards

[digital pumice]

East asia and middle east/raj area are 2 very different parts of the world

[wooden wyvern]

europe is doing pretty good tho
theyre gonna space away any uk / france reworks till the year after probably since japan china is coming out (and in any case id imagine usa will get an update before uk and france)
i think a country pack with indochina, siam, and whatever else SEA countries is likely

[wooden wyvern]

im pretty sure raj was more important to the war against japan then the war against germany

iirc quite a few indians who hated the british actually worked with the japanese

[heady magnet]

Do y’all know when we can expect another dev diary? I feel like it’s been ages 😭

[mellow laurel]

21st

[prisma breach]

add the skibidi update

[inland bloom]

Bruh

[digital pumice]

I agree with the country pack part, as it will probably be separate from the dlc which will cover china and japan

[wooden wyvern]

Im curious to see which countries they do cause id imagine thered be at least 3 or 4

Siam and indochina i think are definitely happening but idk what could fill the last slots

[hard smelt]

indonesia, siam , philiphenes

[wooden wyvern]

Think its gonna be between philipines, burma, and dei

[hard smelt]

maybe even malaya

[wooden wyvern]

Oh right

Malaya exists

[hard smelt]

XD

the only brit puppet without focus tree 🙁

[wooden wyvern]

Jordan and palestine exist as well

And burma

[hard smelt]

the only usefull country without a focus tree sorry

[mellow laurel]

What about Australia and NZ?

[stable tusk]

They have focus trees

[brittle venture]

I dont get why people hate on them

[mellow laurel]

I’m not hating on them

I’m asking when their focus trees were last updated

[tranquil urchin]

because you can't annex half of the world with a single button

[harsh hull]

They hate those trees because they're old and feeble and cringe, unlike newer focus trees, which are young and strong and cringe

[tranquil urchin]

old focus trees are underrated

[fading walrus]

Depends IMO

New Zealand no

Australia yes

France is fun

[ancient wave]

Armored Car MIO for the win!

[fading walrus]

Though I wish Napoleonic France could core Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands and the Rhineland

And have more goals on Italy, Spain, and the ability to get its lost colonies back as claims

[brittle venture]

Together for victory

The first dlc

[brittle venture]

Heartbreaking

[wooden wyvern]

I wouldnt say malaya is particularly useful

[lilac vessel]

why would they core it?

maybe wallonia but all the rest of the ppl will be pissed about the conquest on won't assimilate into french culture

[hollow coral]

Coring doesnt make sense anymore anyways

Iraq can literally core spain

Basically just a way for alt history paths to be fun

Otherwise as Afghanistan you would only be fighting with like 300k in manpower

[lilac vessel]

doesn't mean it shouldn't make sense

like just cuz one poor design choice is made doesn't mean you should follow the same principle elsewhere

[hollow coral]

im just saying your point isnt relevant anymore

[lilac vessel]

I mean following that logic you'd just give hitler germany cores to the urals and whatnot. In general cores should be quite limited and claims/state modifiers much better represent a lot of stuff.

[hollow coral]

its pretty fair that a reworked napoleonic france should be allowed to core those states or even better create puppet states

logic doesnt hold that much in hoi4 anyways

if poland can core all of russia and the southern slavic states

[lilac vessel]

I mean puppet states/unique state modifiers is based and plausible, coring meanwhile only really makes sense for certain states

[lilac vessel]

I agree with that, the question is wether it should try to or not

[hollow coral]

ideally it should but gameplay wise the coring mechanic is pretty necessary

[lilac vessel]

eh... ppl can do world conquests as luxembourg without ever coring the benelux

[hollow coral]

but for the regulars who dont tryhard this game

im not talking for the small population who min/max the game

[lilac vessel]

you can easily enough get manpower by puppeting/taking certain states (and yes I mean non cores)

[hollow coral]

i feel like we have strayed away from the original idea

[hollow pulsar]

will ireland ever get a focus tree?

[hollow coral]

Probably

All of europe will eventually get trees

[trim quartz]

I can’t remember if this was confirmed or not, but wasn’t there some alluding to Korea being added to the game later?

[thick edge]

Yes

[trim quartz]

Right proper stuff lads

A love playing as submissive colonies and puppets

[maiden sierra]

I just hope that we get proper border wars in Manchuria, with Manchuria acting as a proxy for the Kwantung army

[hard smelt]

u must have missed the resources

[wooden wyvern]

korea wasnt particularly submissive

taiwan maybe was but im pretty sure japan lost a couple prime ministers to korean assassins

didnt help they were being governed by the army

[mellow laurel]

^

[mellow laurel]

Malaya is the best country for the USA/USSR because Malaya has tons of Rubber, and you can basically trade for all the rubber you need with them. Similar to how you can get all the Tungsten you ever need from Turkey. When you’re playing as Malaya, they’re not useful, but they’re very useful for the Allies. Heck, all of Southeast Asia is great for the Allies just because it’s the source of 95% of all natural rubber on the map.

[inland bloom]

<@&846894118219022336>

[solid sun]

Ty for your ping

[inland bloom]

np

[inland bloom]

it is in every chat

[wooden wyvern]

oh i see
makes sense, malaya, dei and siam are prob where all rubber comes from

i think turkey has the most chromium tho, not tungsten

[supple geyser]

is there a way to get docking rights in the south americas as sovjet union?

im struggling to naval invade them as sovjet union

[fading walrus]

Link you must defeat the evil forces of Gannon

[supple geyser]

-_-

[devout valley]

Put spies and diplomatic pressure

And after a while they will get a boost to accept

And then you also improve relations

[supple geyser]

did that with guatamala

still wont giv

[devout valley]

You have to have intel of over 50% and then wait for diplomatic pressure

It isn't instant

[trim quartz]

Oh I know. I'm just saying I like playing as loyal colonies and such

[wooden wyvern]

ah really? i prefer playing majors over anything

[long ibex]

Is too late to leave diplo actions like alliances from focus tree?
Now it is very limiting and does not allow for the development of a realistic geopolitics

[dire trail]

When the faction update coming out?

[fading walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-professor-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-bender-gif-25198969

[maiden sierra]

Somewhere in November or December

Most probably, but not guaranteed

[regal kayak]

j

[dire trail]

Aiit🤙

[devout valley]

<@&846894118219022336>

[cosmic falcon]

I'm starting to believe that the Announcement at the end will be the reveal for the next DLC.

[hollow coral]

I feel thats pretty obvious

[granite thunder]

new expansion maybe?

Philipines, dutch east indes, malaya and siam?

[inland bloom]

i dont think malaya

japan and whole china for sure

and i think siam also

the dutch east indies and phillipines maybe

[wraith prawn]

I hope at least for phillipines

[cosmic stag]

PDX should make hoi5 set in COLD WAR

[hollow coral]

now thats a load of bs

[dull minnow]

Hoi5 should add cold war mechanics (like nuclear deterrence and demilitarization), but it shouldn't be set only in the Cold War

[wraith prawn]

if prdx wishes to make a cold war game (generally named a "nothing ever happens game") they should createa new IP as hoi isn't made for such style of gameplay
hoi is first and foremost about war and has always been. Everything in the game is a buildup to a war that will be the final goal of all countries
A cold war game, on the contrary, would be about avoiding war while gaining influence, except if you wish to follow into warno's steps or something

[hollow lion]

proxy wars could be a thing but it wouldnt be the main gameplay focus like HOI you'd hope

you'd need some other mechanics to make waiting actually fun

[proven vapor]

what happened with mexico man

[mellow laurel]

Pretty much this, and also why I think RT56 is a bit of a waste

[digital pumice]

thats gonna be a separate country pack i say

for malaya, dutch east indies, phillipines and siam maybe

dlc will be china and japan

[inland bloom]

how do you know that it is only these countries?

[digital pumice]

i dont, i'm just predicting

maybe they'll include siam too

[inland bloom]

i think that it is a good prediction with another country pack

and yea siam is just special one

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i don't know if they're gonna touch the usa

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they probablt declare on usa like they always do on unhistorical

[proven vapor]

And why does britain have a piece then

[digital pumice]

no idea, is that rt56

[proven vapor]

I love rt56 for this one

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hmmmm i didnt think about that, it can be because of the naval rework

[digital pumice]

usa is also very outdated and needs a rework

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and because of the japanese-us naval battles

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Ohh

[digital pumice]

yeah

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Yeah the rejected western oil demands

Giving the US and UK wargoals

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jup just a whole new focus tree

[digital pumice]

a pacific war themed dlc would go hard

[brittle venture]

ill be sad cuz i rlly enjoy new zealand and australia

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it can be a big chance that it can be this

[digital pumice]

yes but

that would be asking too much

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but they dont have a good focus tree...

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Wdym

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Imo they do

[digital pumice]

oh

i thought you were asking for them to get reworked

[brittle venture]

Sure their alt hist paths are bad but they get pretty great research / buffs

Nk

No*

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ok yea for research and buffs it is very good

[brittle venture]

And i dont like the (stat) bloat of new dlcs

Where theyre like your country needs a gazillion buffs

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he means that it is to much work to give china, japan , australia and new zealand a new focus tree/rework

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remember pre-nerf toa

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A bit

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it was crazy

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😭

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i dont remember the stats exactly but they completely forgot about balance

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What about germany

I think italy rn is fine balance wise

But germany dear god

Most stats best mils

Best MIOs

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aat was also pretty stat bloated

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italy has one of the best focus trees in my opinion and it isnt TO powerful

[brittle venture]

Best generals

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Trying to figure out what im doing irl rn im like an npc

[digital pumice]

omg same

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I was like i need to go to store to buy food and now im just blanked out

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germany has indeed OP buffs and even to insane but they were in general one of the strongest if not the strongest country in WW2

[digital pumice]

they're kinda too strong imo

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Me when i lie and dont understand history

Germany mobilized all working men

While fighting they didnt have an industry basically

And while having an industry they had a well trained but small army

The game does not represent this whatsoever

[digital pumice]

they kinda do

but not enough

if you dont go to war mefo bills ruin you

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No you get both stats and production

You dont have to sacrifice one for the other

[digital pumice]

from mefo bills

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yea i know, there were periods that they mobilised a lot of men out of the factories, then back to the factories and then again mobilised

[digital pumice]

which fueled germanies millitary industry

[brittle venture]

That is construction not production

[digital pumice]

yeah

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Im talking about production not construction

[digital pumice]

production is from mobilization

and war industry

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and i think that france is to weak in the game

[brittle venture]

Well now kind of but thats just because of how OP germany is

[digital pumice]

not really

they have one of the strongest armies at start

they just werent as moblized as germany

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they were really strong in ww2 but because of blitzkrieg it doesnt seem like that

[digital pumice]

well yeah

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yea but still, they had a very big army

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they got outplayed

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indeed

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very big outdated army with backwards ww1 thinking

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and the uk is good as it is because they were incompetent in the beginning

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outdated but not to worse

[digital pumice]

french tanks weren't bad compared to german ones

some could even say they were better

but lack of communication

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they were better in general

[digital pumice]

mhm

germans also had air superiority

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in the beginning of barbarossa, germany had a lot of tanks but those tanks were not great against soviet tanks

soviet tanks were better but germany built better tanks then later on in the war

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a lot of airplanes but the lost a big number because of operation sealion i think

the battle for britain

in the air

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also 80% of french tanks didnt have radios

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lol i didnt know that

[digital pumice]

yeah

they were really uncoordinated

which is why they couldn't reply quick enough

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how did they even communicate then lol

[digital pumice]

it also didn't help how slowly orders moved through high command

[digital pumice]

good old horses/bikes

physical letters

containing orders