latest-updates

[tired bloom]

I hope there'll be a new SS syste

System

[solid gyro]

I am interested in the new infantry morphs for hungary, germany, austria, belgium etc

on how they will look like

[fresh cedar]

Africa in general just needs greater resources or atleast the ability to create more

Very interested in seeing the Congo Diary

[jaunty yacht]

I would love to see an African expansion that would overhaul it, making it worth to fight for or in it, because right now the Suez is the only point of interest
Maybe bringing Egypt that isn't even independent in the game, unlike historically where it had more autonomy than every other British colony or protectorate
And with the new systems from the Ecuadorian war or the Continuation war
It shouldn't be that hard to represent the unique position of it

[polar jasper]

Libyan oil fields and consumer goods reduction for Suez?

Maybe a state of Africa that gives or takes away war support and political power depending on how much of Africa is controlled?

[jaunty yacht]

Or a representation of other resources Africa was vital for, for example states with precious metal production that could give the controlling nation a bit of a reduction to the civilan use of factories
Something similar to Brazil's state modifiers

[wary maple]

I guess the Q&A is next week then?

[tardy flame]

we dont know yet

[wary maple]

It's biweekly so I assume they haven't shared enough information to do a meaningful Q&A yet

[jolly bluff]

Eh, the Lybian oil fields weren’t discovered until the 50s and adding them early in the game would leave anyone playing historical Italy with no incentive to fight for the Suez.

[jolly bluff]

A mechanic similar to BICE’s Pacific War could work well though.

[jolly bluff]

If they revamped the way declaring war works Egypt would be pretty interesting as it didn’t declare war on the Axis until early ‘45 despite Axis forces invading its territory.

[jaunty yacht]

Alongside with that, the King had Axis sympathy, so there is a big chance that after "capitulation" it would simply change sides, sort of like Denmark

[jolly bluff]

Yeah, could make it an Italian puppet like in TNO.

[solid gyro]

I really hope we get burgundy and moskowien as new RK's in-game

and maybe caucasus aswell

[jaunty yacht]

I would like Burgundy as a releasable separate from RK, it would add spice for nations like Spain or the Benelux

[stoic mist]

Is there anything coming today? Looks like there's supposed to be a Q&A

[solid gyro]

True would make sense but i really hope we get the other two which i mentioned also moskowien and caucasus

[jaunty yacht]

It was commented that there would be lots of new RK, even in America if I'm not wrong

[solid gyro]

Really? was it said in the reveal video?

[jaunty yacht]

So I would guess they might as well come

[jaunty yacht]

Yeah, if I'm not wrong

[thick edge]

RK?

[solid gyro]

Would be really nice like imagine you win in america then you get one which is called reichskommisariat "nord amerika" (which means north america)

[jaunty yacht]

Reich Kommisariat or something along the lines, the puppets of the Nazis

[jolly bluff]

They mentioned in the Expansion Reveal that we will be getting new, better, historical, envisioned and fictitious Reichskommisariats.

[jolly bluff]

Basically the names of the colonial governments established to exploit resources of Nazi conquered lands.

[solid gyro]

I see thanks for the info, i must of forgotten or didnt listen well on what they said

[jolly bluff]

I would very much like different options like in the RK+ mod where you get different decisions. Meaning I can choose between having separate RKs in Africa (Ostafrika, Zentralafrika and Südwestafrika) or go for some Imperial Germany/Brudermord in TNO South African War shi and get one large Reichstaat Mittelafrika.

[solid gyro]

Would be interesting to see ngl

ig we will see on what we get

[jolly bluff]

Yeah, honestly a bit disappointed that we won’t be getting Eupen-Malmedy as a state unless it’s added now. Would make for some nice, historical Greater German Reich and RK Belgien-Nordfrankreich borders.

[solid gyro]

Yeah i dont understand on why they didnt just add it in the normal version before the dlcs, would save alot of work for a new state to be created in game tbh

[hollow fable]

Real

[tardy flame]

uhh

no idea honestly

[worn depot]

Yeah I wonder where is the stuff they mentioned in the new dev diary schedule post

Also Idk if it was stated in the reveal but I wonder if you’ll be able to integrate the reichskommissariats, and by that I mean get cores on them

[worn depot]

Yeah, it’s weird that they added states like Katowice and south Jutland which allow for more accurate German empire borders but not eupen malmendy

Though they’ll probably answer that in the Belgium dev diary on paradox forums

[worn depot]

And for more historical RKs, from what I’ve seen in the Austria dev diary where they showed the map, they didn’t add new states for more accurate rk borders

[tired bloom]

Well we don't know for sure yet

Still a month to go 💪

[worn depot]

Yeah, and they’re still listening to feed back

[tired bloom]

Exactly

As a German im very excited for all the new German content

Systems, trees, mechanics, blah blah

From the store promo Germany has filters at the bottom left which the other ones don't

To me that makes it seem like Germany is gonna have a BIG tree

[worn depot]

Wait bottom left?

Didn’t notice that I’m gonna see it rq

Oh yeah they are filters

That’s actually quite a nice qol feature

[tired bloom]

I hope the German tree is the biggest out of all the ones coming to this expansion/patch

Id assume so

im sure in one of the forums a dev said the austria tree is smaller than germany's

and the austrian tree is huge for a minor nation that gets annexed in a couple years

implying Germany can have a massive tree

[solar inlet]

Paradox how do i uncensor my hitler?

No (I'm not from germany)

[harsh hull]

What I want is a focus tree so big that they all are 7-day focuses just so you get through them in a timely manor

[solar inlet]

I hope they uncensor hitler in the other versions of Europe's hoi4

It ruins the immersion ngl

[tardy flame]

just mod the gfx

[solar inlet]

How?

[tired bloom]

Id assume most are gonna be ,35 days with the big ones being 70 days

[tardy flame]

make a mod and change the gfx/interface

[solar inlet]

I'm not a files guy could ask some of my friends though

[tardy flame]

alrightt

then just choose whatever hitla you want

then insert him

[solar inlet]

Yeah the vanilla one will do for now

I don't want to be accused of anything btw

I just want the og portrait

I find it funny how hitler is censored but mussolini isn't

[tardy flame]

huh

???

[tired bloom]

I mean i want a revamped SS system in the game so 😂

[solar inlet]

No man..

[tardy flame]

maybe

[tired bloom]

Since Germany is getting a full rework it'd be odd to see the old system still in the game

[tardy flame]

true

[tired bloom]

So it most likely is getting reworked

[tardy flame]

the old system was bad imo

[solar inlet]

I hope it doesn't include the bad stuff

[tardy flame]

they wont

sherlock

[tired bloom]

It won't include the war crimes part

[tardy flame]

🤑

[solar inlet]

BTW did you know wo alle strassen enden isn't found in any historical archive as a ww1 song?

[tired bloom]

It's a war simulator not a political simulator

[tired bloom]

I didn't

[solar inlet]

Technically it is found only in a 70s album

[tired bloom]

Yeah even Italy's camicie nere s system is better

[daring forge]

I mean yeah it could’ve been nice but at the same time I understand if it’s out of scope considering how it was just a couple of villages and the land area was not even a third of the size of Luxembourg, the other smaller parts like Sønderjylland and Katowice at least are either existing counties or in Katowice’s case a more important place that both could feasibly be at least two provinces, or at least that’s my take on it - don’t know how the devs feel about it

[solar inlet]

https://youtu.be/LWlZ_7Cw0UU?si=u0cwWPTg4aB8D8gE

[tired bloom]

But considering there's SS focuses with having Himmler in your inner circle I can assume the whole SS system will be revamped and expanded upon

[tardy flame]

tbh the only thing I'm excited about is the modding patch

I'm going to have a celebration just for that

and I hope they fix the late game lag

it's unbearable

[tired bloom]

Im excited for just larping as historical Germany with my friend as Argentina playing against the AI 😂

Rt56 has been good but im hoping paradox make Germany better than the rt56 one

[tardy flame]

I do have faith in paradox

[tired bloom]

Me too

[tardy flame]

they'll do an exceptional job

[tired bloom]

They know how badly people have wanted a Germany rework

And there's still a month of development to go for it

And 10 more Dev diaries until release

So far everything looks good and it can only get better from this point

[tardy flame]

well next week we will know about germany xd

[tired bloom]

Yeah but what i do wonder

If they're covering historical Germany next week

And German systems next week how is that gonna work

Ik alt history Germany is gonna be it's tree branches but yeah

[jolly bluff]

Well as much as I love HOI4 I think Paradox deserves to be criticised where it needs to be and this is just ridiculous. Adding a state takes minimal effort and a state like Eupen-Malmédy has been proven to work by mods like RT56, The Great War Redux, Kaiserreich, TNO, the list goes on.

[tired bloom]

Im glad that the big mods get early access to the expansion and patch it means that that they can pick up the slack if paradox messes up anything

[jolly bluff]

True, true.

[tired bloom]

But i have good faith paradox will make this expansion and patch exceptional as marokkanisch said

[barren tusk]

Which cities guaranteen the annex of france for paratroopers?

[tardy flame]

paris

[barren tusk]

but is not automatical

i need more

[tired bloom]

I think i read that the Dev diaries are slightly outdated which means on release there'll be things released we haven't seen in the dev diaries that'll be included in the change log if there is one

[tardy flame]

the other big cities

[jolly bluff]

Usually Paris and 6-8 cities in the north of France is enough. You can reduce to Paris and 2-3 more by having a full collaboration government on France.

[tardy flame]

with 25 vp

[barren tusk]

i have 7 paratroopers so i have an idea of 3 in paris 1 tours 1 orleans 1 troyes and 1 reims

[fallen kite]

i mean

if you can't reload then sure 3 on paris

but if not you could probably use those 2 for either some more victory points or to bodyblock British landings at the ports

[barren tusk]

i didn't capitulate france with paris and orleans

if not i wouldn't asked that

i was 50% surrender

[jolly bluff]

I’d recommend 1 in Paris if your paratrooper design is good enough, drop 3 if you’re spamming two battalion paratroopers.

[barren tusk]

one thing

after paris is taken which is the next capital of france?

i am planing 3 paris 1 lyon 1 nantes 1 brest y 1 burdeos

[solid gyro]

Yup i agree no idea on why its not in the base game

[outer whale]

I am curious about it

about how can we coup nutzis

I wonder if theres going to be like

a good story behind it

[tired bloom]

They said there'd be an emphasis on narrative

[fallen kite]

wadn't there like an assassintaion attempt against hitler around 1936

[tired bloom]

I think

[outer whale]

I think we'll get civil war by either this or

[tired bloom]

I rarely play Germany ahistorical but it'd.be nice to play a few ahistorical play throughs

[outer whale]

hitler will make a stupid thing

and will trigger the civil war

[solid gyro]

There was one in 1945 it was operation valkyrie thats the only thing which got documented from what i know

[outer whale]

If rhineland was rejected

[fallen kite]

alright correction there's a ridiculous amount of assassination attempts against hitler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler

[outer whale]

bro just look at this guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Jürgen_von_Blumenthal

the guy's whole life was dedicating on killing hitler

[fallen kite]

December 20, 1936 is the earliest one in game time though

[solid gyro]

Well he was an aristocrat which means he had monarch blood in him

[outer whale]

ye

[tired bloom]

Well Germany is being entirely reworked so i hope this is all in it

[outer whale]

he was in valkyrie as well

[outer whale]

I just wonder If we can appoint more chancellors than just 1 in democratic tree

[fallen kite]

but this one was by even more racist nazis

[outer whale]

I mean like more candidates to appoint as chancellor

Austria has 3

Germany probably will have something arround 3 as well

I am spoiling it now

[fallen kite]

Personally I think what happens is hitler gets assassinated, and then either civil war from there if their popularity's low enough, or a successor gets appointed who drives the country into civil war

[outer whale]

1.Kondrad Adenaur

[solid gyro]

All i hope is as follows a new monarchist germany flag, a communist path after an decade

[outer whale]

2.Paul von Lettow Vorbeck

[solid gyro]

and a new historical path aswell

[outer whale]

3.(Army-figure) or Mackensen

[harsh hull]

Paris, Calais, Orléans, Le Havre, and Dijon are my usual targets

[outer whale]

I think each people will form their own factions

[fallen kite]

nah

this isn't tno

[outer whale]

I mean like

Himmler Goering split

[fallen kite]

oh I see

[outer whale]

himmler taking the bavaria with SS

goering having rest of the reich

[solid gyro]

So you mean a three way war like spain?

[outer whale]

yes

[fallen kite]

Also we got the Oster Conspiracy too

That would probably be a way to restore the monarchy

[outer whale]

ye

[solid gyro]

Operation valkyrie aswell

[outer whale]

or if rhineland was rejected and france declaring war as well

[tired bloom]

Well remember guys Germany is getting a whole dev diary dedicated to only ahistorical Germany which means it's gonna have a bunch of crazy shit like what you guys are talking about

[solid gyro]

thats also a major plot against him

[tired bloom]

It'll be fun

[outer whale]

plane bomb or

chief of abwer's mission to kill him

[solid gyro]

Well the plane bomb failed tbh it only killed like the high ranking officals and not him

so the chief would work

in game

[outer whale]

I am sure we'll have civil war but

How is it gonna be like

I am assuming like spain

or maybe italy

[fallen kite]

Now that I think about it

[solid gyro]

I think we get it like this bavaria and maybe saxony is himmler, berlin and the eastern german lands will be goering and maybe from hamburg the monarchists

[fallen kite]

A Spain civil war would actually be pretty cool

But at the same time really unlikely this isn’t Spain we’re talking about this is Germany

Buuut

[solid gyro]

Imagine a releasable bavaria

[outer whale]

influece garrisions could have work

[solid gyro]

would be funny to see

[fallen kite]

You could have all the major powers sending volunteers

Trying to get the new Germany on their side

[outer whale]

only italy would send volunteers

[solid gyro]

Well not really if we are talking about democratic germany then the allies will if its monarch then you shoot yourself in the foot and normal germany is like yeah only italy etc

[outer whale]

I don't think allies would intervene a civil war

they'd strictly follow neutrality

[fallen kite]

Depends on the context of when it happens

[undone kelp]

Wonder if we’ll get remote controlled planes. The US experimented with those as a way to take out the V3 complex. President Kennedy’s brother died in the testing.

[outer whale]

I wonder if german generals will be expanded

[solid gyro]

That neutrality got removed from 1938 onwards since then as they knew war was coming

[tired bloom]

I hope so

[outer whale]

like

new ones

[barren tusk]

maybe strabourg is not necessary

[outer whale]

like german generals expanded mod

he's doing above the maginot

[solid gyro]

Imagine we get austrian generals after the anschluss

[undone kelp]

We have above the Maginot and around the Maginot and through the Maginot.

But what about under the Maginot?

[tired bloom]

We will

[solid gyro]

under the maginot, Thats switzerland

[tired bloom]

All i want is current German systems and stuff fully reworked

And expanded hpon

[undone kelp]

Also, with the expanded missile system I wonder if this means we’re getting air to air and ATGM missiles.

[harsh hull]

Germany could never work out an alliance with the mole people in order to access the massive mole tunnels underneath Europe to go under the Maginot

[solid gyro]

Yk on what i am hoping we saw on the reveal thumbnail the Ho229 right? my guess is it will get added aswell

as a new german fighter plane

[tired bloom]

I wonder how many special projects were revealed in the Dev diary

And how many more there are

That'll be shown on release

[undone kelp]

Battlecarriers and Torpedo Cruisers are both likely additions, as are hangers for submarines. Maybe even a microwave weapon.

Thats just going off Japanese projects. You could probably also add in gas turbine engines as well since there were some German experiments with those.

[outer whale]

would be cool if we could form mittelafrika

so we'd not have to puppet billion nations at once

[tired bloom]

I hope thats what they do with the RKs

Being able to form RKs out of everything

Reichskommissariat Amerika

😂

This is the most hyped I've been for something in years

I really can't wait for the German dev diaries

[barren tusk]

@harsh hull I fail

How can I increment my paratroopers land Territory?

I couldn't do in brest

[fallen kite]

Maybe they’ll also represent Germany taking control of Italy’s puppet states in game as well (when they civil war)

[low pendant]

real. You can tell Germany's age just going thru the focus tree. I hope they add more mid war stuff, for like '41 onward, since i usuyally run out of meaningful things to do by late 1940 and sweitch to air or navy production

[tacit sequoia]

even a "Totalkrieg" path too

[tired bloom]

well i saw in the economy branch in the store page

a focus called "totaler krieg"

[tired bloom]

yeah its why i havent played vanilla in so long

compared to italy, germany's tree is so old and full of 70 day focuses

i wonder whats gonna be in the historical germany dev diary and the german systems diary

the difference

[crude jolt]

https://x.com/HOI_Game/status/1844360482897133674

Hearts of Iron (@HOI_Game) on X

Generals!

The Mises Institute approves: +5% stability.

Check it out!👇

Twitter · Oct 10, 2024, 12:53 PM

Real!

[worn depot]

Honestly the reichskommissariats being reworks was what I was least expecting, legit yelled in excitement when I saw they were being reworked

[tacit sequoia]

im a tad upset without czechoslovakia but yk

belgium + congo are better than nothin

maybe next there there will be a "Little Entente" country pack with Czechoslovakia, Romania, Yugoslavia, and Albania?

but after Götterdämmerung it'll probably be Japan + USA rework for a focus tree

[tired bloom]

yeah it surprised me too but it makes me happy

if RKs are being reworked then everything about germany is 😂

[tired bloom]

yeah the czech tree is SO old

at least mods can fix that nation

[low pendant]

fRomania seriously needs a rework. Mid asf tree, but Id o think a Japan tree should be prioritised. Its seriously dissapointing, the fact that latvia has a bigger nad better tree than Japan

[tacit sequoia]

true

USA needs something if they're updating japan (seriously, paths are small af)

[tired bloom]

maybe czechoslovakia might ge ta couple things with this

[tacit sequoia]

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Japanese_national_focus_tree
https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/American_national_focus_tree

[tired bloom]

since germany is getting a rework that means the whole sudetenland situation is being changed too most likely

actually idk then

[tacit sequoia]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it may be a countrypack for next year (idek what gonna happen next year cuz USA irl so.. its kinda screwy)

[granite vessel]

Did the devs say something about the balance of the paratroopers?

[fallen kite]

Holly shot guys new Hitler assassination confirmed to be the June 1940 attempt?

[thick edge]

real

[mossy rapids]

im just incredibly excited to see the helicopter thing

[signal cargo]

Agreeed

[solid gyro]

Wonder if it's a support company or a plane

[signal cargo]

Goood questionn

[solid gyro]

Or a ship module

[signal cargo]

I hope its a support company for easy use

Oh yeah ship module would be interesting too

What stats to ships do you think it could give?

[solid gyro]

German submarines used them for spotting I think

[signal cargo]

Oo that would be fun, submarines would be insane if they had more spotting

[nimble torrent]

Just read in the DD answers that the Land cruiser is gonna be a support batallion
Do y'all fw it?

[nimble torrent]

Support company for recon, hospital and logistics I think
And a batallion too

To quote the devs
"They are also support battalions. With the Special Project you will unlock a "general" helicopter battalion that is a bit useful in several roles, but without shining too much in one, and then you can research techs, also unlocked by the Special Project, that will allow you to use specialized support battalions that can perform better than the original support companies, but with extra costs since they require helicopters as equipment."

[solid gyro]

I would prefer the ratte if it was similar to railway guns

[hexed mango]

Stream today or what?

[signal cargo]

Oh thank you for bringing this over! That sounds super cool and fun to mess with, so useful

[nimble torrent]

Same tbh
Or even just a division

[signal cargo]

I hope its an almost unstoppable division that’s just extremely slow and uses tons of supply maybe you need to divert multiple factories just to keep it running

[hexed mango]

Btw where's the Tuesday weekly surprise?

[tacit sequoia]

Look above cuz katten did a reply on it

[daring forge]

#latest-updates message

[hexed mango]

Ovr...

[nimble torrent]

I hope you can easily tell what divs have it, or it's gonna be a pain to micro against

[signal cargo]

I was thinking the ratte would come as a division on its own, you can treat it as a tank division that moves alongside your infantry, may be slower than infantry but it packs a way harder punch

[thick edge]

Hopefully

[signal cargo]

I would be so sad if it is really realistic and just a waste of resources xD I would just make a mod that would make it useful

[solid gyro]

I'll do it for the memes anyway

[signal cargo]

loll

ofcoursee

gotta do it at least once

[thick edge]

Ratte only Luxembourg

[signal cargo]

that would be so funnny

the germans could never break in

[solid gyro]

Unless they have a bomber

[thick edge]

They can’t break Luxembourg

[nimble torrent]

1km/h tank division
To balance it out it takes a week or 2 to fully reorg

Could have been so cool too
New plane mission
"ANNIHILATE THAT ABOMINATION" targeted bombings towards any land cruiser in an airzone

[signal cargo]

lmaoo

so big of a target it requires its own mission

[signal cargo]

I wouldnt mind thattt ngll if it has game breaking defense and soft/hard attack

weak to air but unstoppable by land

[brazen ferry]

When does the stream start?

[fallen kite]

do we get nuclear bunkers?

cause I saw all that stuff about underground fortifications

who knows maybe in game fortifications will be limited to max level 5 until you figure out how to construct underground ones (and therefore, better ones)

[fallen kite]

Yep, you can see it in the new video tech tree

[tardy flame]

I hate how they did to the landcruiser

they should be added like a railway gun in the map

not to be added in a division

[signal cargo]

imagine naval invading with land cruisers

[tardy flame]

they would sink their transport ship

[signal cargo]

loll

I wanna land in iceland with a ratte

[dapper fjord]

it's difficult to imagine if they want to bring Ratte into naval invading :v

[thick edge]

Yes

[tardy flame]

..

[signal cargo]

XD yeahh, it would be so scary for it to just come out of the sea

[signal cargo]

I think it should be within the armyy like other tanks, if you were going to keep it far back then it would just be treated as artillery

Or like you said the railguns

Cant abuse the armor if its not up front

I wonder how many we need for the support company though, i hope its just one

[thick edge]

A lot prob

[signal cargo]

Maybeee

I couldnt imagine more than a handful, i could be wrong i never use super heavy tanks but arent they only 20 per? The land cruisers will be so much larger than those

[dapper fjord]

also in stream about the helicopter with "autogyro" blueprint.. makes me thinkin are also can research autogyro as well or not(?).. that thing prob gud as asw (if you see the Japanese autogyro).. or light bombing..

[tardy flame]

that is such a bad idea

"like other tanks"

you are talking about a giant tank

not suitable for mass production

[signal cargo]

Yeahhh idkk, more weapons the better imoo

[signal cargo]

Yeah youre right it’s different from other tanks, but its still a tank nonetheless, unlike a railgun it has tracks and armor

[tardy flame]

ratte should be like this

they shouldn't be in a division

[signal cargo]

Why shouldnt it?

Why shouldnt it be on the frontlines within the armies?

[tardy flame]

which country with it right state of mind is capable of producing 20 or more 1000 ton behemoth of a tank

[dapper fjord]

and supersonic jet research.. dank.. bro about to bring F-100 Super Sabre in late 1940s

[signal cargo]

What else would you do with it? Trophy it around just to put fear into the peoplee?

[signal cargo]

Pffft

/research all

1936 super sonic jets

[thick edge]

Real

[tardy flame]

andd?

It would get removed by artillery and air support, and would be practically unmissable

you should independently move a single ratte in the map like a railway gun

not in a division

[thick edge]

Let’s try the ratte before we hate on it

[signal cargo]

I have good hope for the ratte

The stats didnt look too bad

[tardy flame]

urm acktually 🤓

The German Military will lose large amounts of fuel and material for their war effort. Several fronts and theatres lacking these necessary resources will fail. Which will cause the Reich to fall faster.

[thick edge]

Mighty Luxembourg Ratte

Hoi4 is different than irl

Bc u can win ww2

And wait

For it

[signal cargo]

Maybe irl and historical ai germany but we wont be ai and half of the time it wont be historicall

[signal cargo]

That would be funnn, guve luxembourg 50 rattes and see what the ai does with it

[thick edge]

Yeah

[signal cargo]

Ragnorok mod as Luxembourg >:)

[tardy flame]

the production cost is low

[signal cargo]

Yeahhh thats fair

[thick edge]

I love a cheap Ratte

[signal cargo]

Pffft

[thick edge]

Be a year to make

But

[tardy flame]

I love unbalanced tanks

[thick edge]

Imma ask Temu

[signal cargo]

I want a ratte on every division and have 200 divisions

[thick edge]

Yes

[tardy flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263640452389666827/1264371010581434388/37BFCFD6-994D-4B8F-BD07-93F1AE273122.gif

[thick edge]

Peak

[signal cargo]

Yesssirr

[thick edge]

(Lil expensive)

[south meadow]

how is this an spedch bubble lmao

[thick edge]

It might disrupt the sale of shrimp in Brazil

[signal cargo]

Just a taddd

[thick edge]

Yeah

[signal cargo]

Not the shrimppp

Random idea

[tardy flame]

ratte will lack the ability to be transported by train

[signal cargo]

But what if paradox added a system for ammo similarly to the fuel bar at the top, you have ammo factories that produce ammo and you can store it and you just watch the bar and never let it run out

[signal cargo]

That would make sense

I wouldnt complain if not

[tardy flame]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2848254410&searchtext=ammo

[signal cargo]

Omg

Its real

Thats coool

Prost to whoever made that

Wow thats perfectly on point to what i just said xD

I definitely have to try that later

The feeling of being bombed will feel much greater

[fresh cedar]

I’m worried that late game USA will pepper me with ICBM’s

[obtuse ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/usa-russia-soviet-union-1962-cuba-missle-crisis-gif-22180671

[fresh cedar]

Exactly that

[obtuse ingot]

That’s only the first tree

[fallen kite]

Guys new Rhineland states

Now it goes the entire way along the French border

Meaning you could probably speedrun Germany since they can’t entrench on your border

[obtuse ingot]

You mean like an independent Alsace Lorraine…. Wonder what it does to ww2 with an independent AL guaranteed by both France & Germany

[thick edge]

Where is that from

[fading walrus]

Fr

Did you really put that much effort

Most of those countries were colonies

And no one cares about your ideas

[thick edge]

Rel

Real

[stable tusk]

@obtuse ingot I've never seen you actually post anything Hoi4 related that wasn't your ideas of how to make the game good

[fading walrus]

@obtuse ingot get a real computer and dispose of tour chromebook

So you can actually play the game

And see where we are coming from

[thick edge]

Exactly

Got it from early access

[obtuse ingot]

It’s from WarGames

[stable tusk]

Hethr, do you even play Hoi4? Genuine question considering you never post anything Hoi4 related except for new update ideas

[fresh cedar]

The dev stream showed that it will finally let me park thermonuclear subs off the coast of Russia 🙂

[obtuse ingot]

I have a Chromebook.

[stable tusk]

I can't wait for MP games to pull Cuban Missile Crisises on each other

[fresh cedar]

Nukes seem scary 😂

[fresh cedar]

Multiplayer is gonna be insane

[fresh cedar]

Lowkey most hyped for the historical special projects like supersonic jets

[stable tusk]

So you don't play the game, but you're here almost daily talking about things you want to see that don't actually make sense in Hoi4
Like French colonies update, or landless adventurers, or building specific cities up
No disrespect but I it kinda feels like you just keep mashing ideas from other Paradox games and getting ideas from niche events in world history that very few people really care about

[fresh cedar]

I think Hethr may just be an AI at this point. But like some of their ideas 😂

[obtuse ingot]

I watch others play and they make comments about what they’d like to see. Also a bit of a history nerd.

[cobalt jay]

@pseudo wing Are the special projects subject to the relevant designer or are they fixed designs?

[fresh cedar]

Special projects seem like you choose its focus, not the designer. Like you choose what specialization they will have

That’s what they just showed in the stream today

Like 3 options, 1 being neutral. 2 being specialized. Your decisions determine where it’s effective

[cobalt jay]

I mean like will the Land Cruiser be a fixed design or if I have NSB, can I tweak the design

[fresh cedar]

Oh tweak it like a normal tank?

Or a ship

[cobalt jay]

Yeah

[fresh cedar]

Yeah they’ll 100% be edited the same way

You’ll be able to mount things on it, including other special projectsz

Apparently the land cruiser will be able to have radar, heli pads, or even a large railway gun

So like if you stack special projects they become insane

[obtuse ingot]

💡Just remembered a USA project during ww2 that might be considered a special project

[fresh cedar]

Land Cruiser operates just like the SuperHeavy tank already. Just more module options

[fresh cedar]

Which

[stable tusk]

I hope it's nothing super fantastical that it's literally impossible

[obtuse ingot]

The USS Akron

[stable tusk]

Well the Ice Carrier could've worked, they tested it in a lake in Canada and it took a while to melt

[fresh cedar]

Thermonuclear IBCMs on nuclear subs seems fantastical tbh

[obtuse ingot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Akron

[fresh cedar]

Zeppelins would be neat

[stable tusk]

This stopped operating in 1933

So 3 years before the game start

[dense gale]

paradox pls stop edging us 😭

[fresh cedar]

Hindenburg event 😏

[dense gale]

thats 1.14.5 not a beta

[cobalt jay]

I'm wondering if its possible to get 315 armor on a land cruiser

[obtuse ingot]

The Macon continued until 1935

[cobalt jay]

Be literally unpennable

[stable tusk]

Still a year before game start

[fresh cedar]

I just don’t see the need for that when Carriers exist tbh

Like every other special project kinda fulfills a niche

[fresh cedar]

Could argue that you can use over land, but then just use an airbase

[stable tusk]

Moving airbase that less than 10 planes is kinda useless

[obtuse ingot]

Could easily have a path where the administration doesnt set that limit.

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I’m saying. It’s like a more useless version of a carrier.

Even if it was 10x bigger, I don’t love its chances with new supersonic jets and Sam sites

[fallen kite]

Did you guys see that new Tank module

the command center?

[fresh cedar]

Yup

[fallen kite]

+50% Breakthrough +75% Defense is crazy

Imagine stacking that with the Radio

[fresh cedar]

I think it’s legit just a better radio

[fallen kite]

But it is balanced with the 6 production cost

[fresh cedar]

Like a lot of these new modules/support companies are replacing existing ones for late game

So I don’t think you can stack with radio as it is radio

Helicopters can replace motorized support companies. For example

[cobalt jay]

The problem I see that this is going to become intelligence agency 2.0 or MIO 2.0

[fallen kite]

💀

[fresh cedar]

Everyone keeps saying that but I disagree since it basically just buffs already existing battalions, support companies and units

No chance a Thermonuclear ICBM will be MIO 2.0 lol

[obtuse ingot]

🐇 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zveno_project

[fresh cedar]

They are adding mothership aircraft

They showed it on stream today

[fallen kite]

I mean this isn’t something you can just ignore (neither is intel agencies but that’s only if you’re playing MP and someone else knows how to do intel)

[cobalt jay]

What I mean by that is you will have like a few things that are "meta" and everything else either an outright waste or irreverent

[fresh cedar]

Kinda how these things were irl though.

[fallen kite]

I mean nuclear bombs, for one, pretty big

But there are also other things

The flame tanks and the submarine tiles, another example

[fresh cedar]

I like that there are fantastic ideas, and that I can choose to pursue or not

The option and flavor is nice

[cobalt jay]

Like how with intel agencies you really only get it for defense against other agencies and setting up collab governments

[fresh cedar]

Intel gives bonuses to attacking and defending too

[fallen kite]

Bro why does no one use agencies to their full extent

[mortal thunder]

should logistic be more involved in research the jerrycan was revolutionary for fuel to tanks especially in africa. allies really couldnt keep up

[fallen kite]

You can literally take the enemy’s entire planning bonus

Toss it in can

[fresh cedar]

Are extra fuel tanks basically not that?

[pseudo wing]

wdym

[cobalt jay]

Or with the MIOs how you have the handful that are meta like any tank one that is standardized production or infantry tank

[mortal thunder]

5% + fuel is ameme. i think there should be some -50% modifiers to all but germany until they steal the jerrycan research

[fallen kite]

And who knows maybe silly propaganda that aren’t really combat effective like the Ratte or the Dora will give a war support buff

[cobalt jay]

Will I be able to customize the Ratte to my liking?

[fresh cedar]

Yes lol

[mortal thunder]

getting oil to african front was a nightmare for allies

[fresh cedar]

Can slap a massive Warhammer 40k arty piece on it or have it be a radar platform

[pseudo wing]

iirc from the dev stream a lot of the special projects they mentioned there were many in the support company slot

[pseudo wing]

so while you may be able to customize some of them idk if you customize them all

[fresh cedar]

Proof Hethr is AI

[cobalt jay]

Mods don't count I'm talking base game agencies

[pseudo wing]

but then again I may be wrong, I dont have all the answers as I am working off the info I am provided

[cobalt jay]

You got more than me so good enough

[fresh cedar]

Honestly I’d just watch the dev stream today, specifically the second half

They really go into detail

[fallen kite]

Yeah

[obtuse ingot]

It’s not a mod, it a different game…

[pseudo wing]

well, I have typed out the next 2 DD's for next week and I have the next 3 after that

[fallen kite]

Forts are getting tech trees too

Ooh also

That underground tunneling stuff

[fresh cedar]

Allegedly

[fallen kite]

What does it do?

[pseudo wing]

considering I've already made their assets and had them localized.... yes. Allegedly.

[cobalt jay]

I'm mostly interested in Belgium

[fresh cedar]

That’s crazy, let me see then 😂

[cobalt jay]

Because Belgium will make or break this DLC in my opinion

[fresh cedar]

I’m most interested in the Congo idk why

Wakanda speedrun?

[obtuse ingot]

The underground tunneling?

• English Channel Tunnel
• Robbing a Las Vegas casino

[pseudo wing]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-marvel-chris-evans-steve-rogers-old-man-gif-14744550

[cobalt jay]

Because Belgium much like WW1 is where most newbie German players' hope and dreams go to die

[fresh cedar]

Do people not always speed bump Belgium?

[fallen kite]

They adding the Super Heavy Artillery with projects too

Also

[fresh cedar]

I always feel like someone jumping a metro turnstile with Belgium

[fallen kite]

What is extra collateral damage

[dense gale]

state building damages

[fresh cedar]

Almost acts like strategic bombing

[cobalt jay]

I have seen a lot of newbies fail in Belgium typically because they aren't using the tanks correctly

[pseudo wing]

you would be surprised at how many new players lose to belgium unironically

[mortal thunder]

i do hope netherlands get some slight tweaks a 220 day focus that basically does nothing is awful

[fresh cedar]

Wild

[fallen kite]

I thought it would be like

When the government tells you about collateral damage

[fresh cedar]

Collateral is like strategic state dmg but by ground units

[cobalt jay]

And that is with a default focus tree

[mortal thunder]

you should ban those people from acessing MP. there should be some achievement for that so u can auto block those

[obtuse ingot]

🤔 there’s probably a mod out there that adds emotional damage right?

[dense gale]

why?

[fresh cedar]

TNO

[thick edge]

Called posting runs on discord

[dense gale]

literally zero reason

[thick edge]

They suck at the game

(I would know)

[cobalt jay]

I'm scared that Belgium will get the Finnish/South American treatment where you can just bog down the Germans indefinitely and grind them into oblivion

[mortal thunder]

losing to belgium is a litmus test on beign exceptionally bad

[dense gale]

and thats fine tho

[fresh cedar]

Give this man a nuclear torpedo

[dense gale]

well in that case all sp player shouldnt be able to play mp

because mp player will just beat sp players no

[thick edge]

I got stuck too many times on Belgium to admit

[mortal thunder]

its so easy to curbstomp france and poland but belgium wow

[fresh cedar]

Wait South America is easy to roll over wdym

Switzerland/Finland are the OP ones if anything

[dense gale]

its not lol for new players

[thick edge]

Luxembourg

[dense gale]

u only have 1 tile to attack from

[mortal thunder]

theres a huge difference of not knowing mp meta and not being able to win on easy on sp

[obtuse ingot]

Put this man in charge of a rag tag team of sailors in a diesel sub with the goal of blowing up a dummy ship in Chesapeake harbor

[fresh cedar]

I’ll be slightly bummed if Lux squeaks by with no tree

[cobalt jay]

What I mean is how if you play anyone of the South American countries correctly you can solo the Allies or Axis

[pseudo wing]

for what, learning the game? nah

[thick edge]

For sp u make high armour soft

[fresh cedar]

I’ve solo’d them with Bhutan and Els Salvador

[dense gale]

everyone starts somewhere

[mortal thunder]

i started as a pro

[obtuse ingot]

Independent Alsace-Lorraine/Burgundy would work for Lux right?

[dense gale]

truly lol

our mutual mp server are larp servers

[fresh cedar]

I’m just saying if Asa gets a tree and 30 micro Ethiopian states do, lux should. But that could work

[mortal thunder]

i came out of the womb knowning strategic warfare only i could have saved germany from defeat

[cobalt jay]

Why go into Belgium anyway just go around and naval invade the UK then race across the channel to France

[fresh cedar]

Genetic memory

[thick edge]

Yes

Luxembourg tree

I will not rest

[mortal thunder]

guess ur not invited to the serious MP servers

[fresh cedar]

My strategic acumen is from my Gene seed

[thick edge]

Give me invs for noob MP

I’m a good normal at sp

[fresh cedar]

Watch brosef get curb stomped 😂

[thick edge]

Suck at mp

[thick edge]

Alr did

Played Uk

Axis cappedcme in 2 years

[fresh cedar]

My friend lost against Ethiopia as Italy, I had to annex him as punishment

[dense gale]

bro what

[fresh cedar]

Order 66 level betrayal

[thick edge]

Lmao

[mortal thunder]

maybe he was just RP

[fallen kite]

Guys they also got Civilian Nuclear Reactors

[fresh cedar]

Yeah he was roleplaying a trash player

[dense gale]

always got to plug the dankus tournament

[fresh cedar]

Too bad he’s permanently committed to the bit

[mortal thunder]

i hope they add black ice industrial need for dams and power generation

[stable tusk]

Alsace Lorraine never had a seperate independence movement, except for the socialist republic for like a week, burgundy hasn't even been a thing since the middle ages so unless it's some monarchist formable, I don't think it's being a thing

[fresh cedar]

I truly think Uranium will be a resource 😏

[fallen kite]

Anyway I really don’t think this is gonna be something you can just ignore

[mortal thunder]

coal and oil should go to running industries lack of it would reduce production output

[fallen kite]

Like Radar and Flame Tanks are put in there too

[fresh cedar]

Considering V2’s and up can not be intercepted. I’d say ICBM’s will be VERY scary

[fallen kite]

You’re going to need to use the special projects screen

And from there

[mortal thunder]

why would i play with a girl. if i wanted a bad time i would just watch a destiny podcast

[fresh cedar]

God I hope I can have nuclear missile bays in my Land Cruiser

[fallen kite]

Why not have them do a project that makes your subs better?

[dense gale]

now ur resorting to sexism 😭

u seriously have to be kidding me

[fresh cedar]

He just doesn’t want to get clobbered ig

Gotta cook up excuses

[thick edge]

1v1 him fr

[fresh cedar]

Wish my girlfriend played HOI4, but she can barely kill a zombie in Minecraft so don’t have high hopes lol

[obtuse ingot]

Congo has it… Congo nuclear power is very possible

[fresh cedar]

That’s what I’m saying, there will 100% be a Wakanda achievement

[mortal thunder]

calling destiny a sissy is abit of a reach but i will allow it

[fresh cedar]

I just wanna unite Africa as the Congo and nuke the planet 😔

[mortal thunder]

im 99% sure there will be a meme path of super africa as congo federation

some marxist decolonize and blob path

[fresh cedar]

Seems like Germany will have many more Reichkommisariats too

So maybe German puppet one

As long as it deletes Anarchist Ethiopia quickly I’ll be happy

[mortal thunder]

click button for spreading the revolution 10k rifles added to stockpile from soviet

[fresh cedar]

I personally like the South Africa puppet Africa path

[mortal thunder]

i wonder if liberia gets a democratic path of an american united states of africa super blobing

[fresh cedar]

Can’t wait for Ireland to get cores on Massachusetts in a future DLC

[obtuse ingot]

USWA maybe

[mortal thunder]

powercreep is so bad we will have a 35 day focus to add 10 civs and 10 mills to congo with afrikaans unity

[fresh cedar]

They really scaled back power creep with South America though

Like released terribly broken

But is Lowkey weak compared to older DLC now

Apart from cores ofc

But takes Argentina like 4K PP to core South America

[mortal thunder]

make her a cheerleader she can support from the sidelines

[fresh cedar]

Idk if I want her supporting my runs tbh 😂

[mortal thunder]

stakuimaxx and have her make tiktoks of ur insane rantings about history

[fresh cedar]

Did historical run as Spanish empire and annexed all the Americas to unite the Hispanics last night

Axis world doesn’t bode well

She could probably do that one Denmark path

Where you just build

[fallen kite]

It seems like they’re adding a lot of new buildings

[fresh cedar]

Oh like the Monuments

[fallen kite]

No more than that

Stuff like civilian reactors or high-powered launchers

[fresh cedar]

Hoping monuments act as like Pride of the fleet and if they get captured or destroyed it takes a stability hit

[fallen kite]

Their special projects give you buildings

[fresh cedar]

True

New fort too

[fallen kite]

New fort type?

[fresh cedar]

Yeah, so forts seems to cap at like lvl 5-7 now? And you have to research a new special project to raise that cap

Also gives a state bonus similar to the Soviet naval fort focuses

[mortal thunder]

having ck3 or eu4 monuments in regions would be cool. holding the triumph arch in berlin or holding stalingrad

[fallen kite]

Nah I think you gotta research tech for that

And there’s a special project that does something

But I don’t know what the underground labrynth does

[mortal thunder]

welp all old focus trees adding 2 forts will be broken now

[fallen kite]

All I know is that a lot of really heavy forts like the Maginot need them.

[fresh cedar]

They did already show the Eiffel Tower, reichstag, and Statue of Liberty so entirely possible

[fresh cedar]

I think they’ll just add the special project forts

[fresh cedar]

I think that’s the idea. France will probably have it already unlocked and built

[mortal thunder]

where there any technological marvels? like the stamping press machine. or can u capture russian t34 plants

[fresh cedar]

Here are the new forts

Notice the max lvl fort is lower now

[mortal thunder]

how far ahead was german coal liquification tech vs allies

[fresh cedar]

So I’m guessing as time goes on, you unlock high fort levels

Bc the tech tree had like 4-5 fort researches

[fallen kite]

Ooh

New place for state modifiers

[fresh cedar]

But at game start probably can only build lvl 5

[fallen kite]

I always thought it was hard to see them

[mortal thunder]

are they trying to balance more tech with more espionage stealing?

[fallen kite]

They really got a lot of new buildings

Genuinely can’t wait

[fresh cedar]

We won’t really know till they do the Raids dev diary

[mortal thunder]

like any minor not starting with 5 research slots will be so far behind now

[fresh cedar]

But logically maginot should be a string of those strongholds

[fallen kite]

Yeah it’s gonna be tough being a minor

[mortal thunder]

tech sharing is broken and cant really be used

[fresh cedar]

Biggest nerf to South America when you think abt it

Main thing they lacked was research

[mortal thunder]

south afrika and all chinese warlords are screwed now

[fresh cedar]

USA meanwhile gets like 6-8 slots

I like that minors will struggle to build super weapons

As they should

[stable tusk]

We got Hungary next and then Hist Germany on Wednesday

[fresh cedar]

Really interested in raids bc new Dams and Reactors

[fallen kite]

I’m pretty sure special projects will give you research slots

Someone said something about that

[fresh cedar]

Not sure honestly. I didn’t see anything about that and I’ve read every dev diary plus dev responses and watch the streams

[mortal thunder]

are u finally goign to need to invest in static AA

[fresh cedar]

Static AA will be able to have anti air rockets now

So possibly

[stable tusk]

I'll finally be able to do that one BFV mission but actually having trained agents instead of a random teenage girl flipping the off switch at a massive facility

[fresh cedar]

Interested in seeing how raids work honestly

I imagine it will slow research, temporarily nerf resources or states

Just like adding an extra layer of attrition or delay to your enemy

[stable tusk]

Maybe options to steal research?

[fresh cedar]

That seems like it will be one yeah

I imagine Soviets would do that the most

Worried that late game Germany V Soviets will just devolve into a 40k battle

[cobalt jay]

Tbf level 5 is all you need

[fresh cedar]

With current weapons yeah

[cobalt jay]

Even if it's changed unless they reduce the damage reduction

[fresh cedar]

The heavy railway and artillery are designed to damage forts

So the strongholds plus high level forts will be as effective at max as lvl 5 is at start, scaling with weapons

Idk the developer was saying you can slap the massive railway gun onto a Land Cruiser

Made me worry for forts

[cobalt jay]

I'm also curious how they plan on balancing minor v major now or is the major just get a free win now

[fallen kite]

I think the underground labrinth should help with that

it doesn't matter if the above ground forts get blown up you can't blast through 100 feet of dirt

in fact I think the whole reason they make those giant cannons is to try to blast through those kinds of fortifications (not sure though I'll check)

yeah whole reason Germany made the Schwerer Gustav

and main reason the US made the 240 mm Howitzer M1

[thick edge]

Nukes might work

[hasty lagoon]

d

[thick edge]

D

😄

Pluh

: D

[nimble torrent]

Stream?
Did I miss something today?

[stable tusk]

The weekly stream, it was 3 hours ago

[fresh cedar]

That’s my point though. They effectively made forts scale with guns.

[fresh cedar]

Can find it on the HOI4 YouTube channel. Went over Austrian paths and Special Projects

[solar yoke]

Would this allow for project pluto?

[obtuse ingot]

Nov 6 should be Shield of Democracy Germany

[fallen kite]

I wonder

will we be able to mod in special special projects?

like change what they cost to certain modifiers like a 20% consumer goods factor if we're really building something crazy

cause I assume the cost for projects uses modifiers and we can put whatever we want in there

just hoping it has the loc to show all modifiers and not just the resource ones

[tired bloom]

Will France already have stronghold networks researched

For the Maginot line

[fresh cedar]

I wonder the same thing, highly likely though

[nimble torrent]

YOOOOO
anything new or were they reading the dev diaries?

[stable tusk]

They were kinda going over the mechanics ig

[outer whale]

I hope this new german AI knows how to establish reichskommisariants

so I wouldnt see italy having half of norway

[signal cargo]

I wanna know the benefits of integrating the reichskommisariants if there anymore than just owning the land

[outer whale]

yee

[signal cargo]

I hope for cores

[wild yacht]

Hungary is looking real nice here from steam store pictures

[fresh cedar]

Lots of new stuff tech wise if you watch. Near the final 1/3 of the video

Like pretty much shower 80% of the new special projects

[tulip wigeon]

And the democratic king tree is still just as small

[nimble torrent]

Thanks, will have to watch it I guess

[nimble torrent]

AYO NICE

[barren tusk]

yo i bought the trial of whatever and i see chile a huge fun country to play

[inland delta]

Probably

[stoic mist]

The one thing one hopes is that Greater Hungary's "Demand X" focuses got fixed to be more predictable. That was always that tree's biggest issue. Perhaps now it'll be something the player can influence more.

[wild yacht]

Yeah why is the democratic thing so small

Allow the democratic path to get the old territories back

They should just make this it's own part of the tree

and allow any path to take it

I've always wanted a nice democratic path for Hungary that still allows you to get some of it's territory back

[solid gyro]

um actually 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓 it has 1 extra focus tree

[solid gyro]

i think thats what the allow territorial referendums thing wil do

[wild yacht]

Oh i didn't see that 🤦‍♂️

[solid gyro]

im interested in how theyll do it

but it still seems short to me

the entire tree

the paths are around as long as the toa paths

and hungary had a larger role in ww2 than any toa nation

[harsh hull]

I'm glass Communist Hungary will also be able to form Greater Hungary now

First of all because of the Horseshoe Politics of it all, but mainly because any oppurtunity for a rounder Hungary should be explored

[feral orbit]

maybe you could buy back smaller territories

something like that

[oblique bobcat]

Nuclear warheads for v2 confirmed in hoi4 vannila before gta 6 is crazy

[dapper fjord]

waiting if we can built CVN-65 Enty but still using conventional big guns for AA like CVA-59 Forrestal..

wait, I just remembered will we be able to research angled flight decks or not(?) for navy..

[plucky crag]

They cut the austro hungarian tree here

[plucky crag]

Finally paradox is making me jubilating

[sudden cipher]

#welcome

[hollow coral]

looks just as good as bulgaria tree

[stiff eagle]

Thank you hoi4 developers for making me dispise democracy

[subtle spire]

Lets hope they dont screw up the land cruiser

[signal cargo]

I think the land cruiser is looking really good so far

I have lots of hope

The stats are nicee

[dark galleon]

what is goulash communism😭

[jovial jay]

hungarian ahh food communism

[dark galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-hungarian-goulash-chili-pepper-madness-stirring-the-pot-mixing-the-ingredients-gif-10757975411075384328

this but communist

[daring forge]

Real thing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulash_Communism

[dark galleon]

damn

[summer sphinx]

revionism

[solid gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mouse-bean-poor-hungry-gif-13871662

[solid gyro]

This is Hungarian variant of communist.

Me learned history class. I'm from Hungary

[charred spindle]

that looks sick

[fresh cedar]

Communism where people actually get to have meat in their meals

[signal cargo]

Yum yumm

[inland delta]

Realistic nuclear war in Hoi before gta 6 is crazy

I’m so excited

[true shale]

Luxemburg where?

[tired bloom]

i wonder what the weekly surprises will be every week

[jolly mountain]

Did you guys see that in the Austria dev diary, when it showed pictures of the potential democratic leaders it says “Next Election November 1934”

Are they adding 1934 start lol

[stable tusk]

It's a bug

[jolly mountain]

Ah

How do you know

[signal cargo]

maybe its just a miss type

[trim quartz]

I’m mainly excited for Hungary, it’s my most played nation besides Hungary and its history throughout ww2 is fascinating, and I’m happy to see its proper portrayal in this game

[signal cargo]

I dont know much about hungary but I believe they have so much potential

theyre in the middle of everything so theyre good for everything

:o

bavaria was already a nation in the game but the fact you dont need to mod or be france to release them is an amazing changee

[jaunty yacht]

To be fair ToA paths are hughe, and you complete them quite late in the game, alongside with that Brazil and Argentina are big players in Alt History

[outer whale]

Dev told it

[muted stump]

Thousands of hours in hoi4 and I just learned about blue arrows

[timber berry]

blue arrows?

[signal cargo]

huhhh

I have thousands of hours and idek what youre refering to

[timber berry]

A quick google tells me a support attack?

[signal cargo]

interestingg

[timber berry]

A shift control right click so they support the attack but don't leave the province, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[signal cargo]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that blue arrrowwwww

I had no idea what it was called before

its really nice to use someitme

that makes a lot of sense

its kinda easy to miss

[timber berry]

I'm learning

[amber barn]

Yea, it's that

But I think with only cntrl is ok

[solid gyro]

We can finally Dissolve Germany

[outer whale]

Imagine a bavarian uprising during the german civil war

but yeah I pretty much thing german civil war will be similiar to

"new ways" mod

and maybe some TNO

like

bavaria being under the SS

west germany and east prussia being on the provisional government

rest would be under the hermann goering

1933 election result

So I can understand why we have the west germany

[clever atlas]

These special projects are giving me real 1950s nuclearpunk vibes

[solid gyro]

They would be communist, with a Rhineland democratic front and the rest being Nazi

[outer whale]

I dont think theres not much communism left at bavaria

at 1936s

[solid gyro]

hell after 1933

with the Resichstag fire

[outer whale]

Communism should be brought to germany after overthrowing the nutzis

And returning to weimar system

[clever atlas]

Communist Germany early game will probably be pretty similar to Historical lol

[indigo kite]

it would be cool if you could spawn a commie civil war from bavaria, and then get international support

I remember the grossdeutscher bund mod where if you took support from the soviets, you would get a different focus tree

[obtuse ingot]

Was reading interesting alt history story … where Germany decides to get at the oil fields through the Middle East.

They basically form a Palestinian puppet state…

[indigo kite]

definitely possible to do if they succeeded in africa, but I imagine it would be vulnerable and costly to hold those areas

[obtuse ingot]

It was before Barbarossa, and Hitler died in plane crash. So MC with future knowledge decides to change things…. Essentially backing off England, not invading Russia, sending refugees to Palestine, telling Japan they will not join them if they decide to attack

Negotiating with the US and stop attacking Atlantic ships. Moving the UBoats to the Mediterranean

[sharp mantle]

when is the next dev diary coming and what is it about

[tacit sequoia]

monday hungary, wednesday historical germany

[orchid roost]

Is every country going to be able to build the rat or only Germany?

[clever atlas]

I think they said every country can get every project if they meet the requirements

ie you need coast access for the naval ones

[dapper fjord]

i hope we get contra-rotating propellers for air project :v

[obtuse ingot]

Turbojet Messerschmitt

Streamline shaped UBoats… RADAR

[polar jasper]

Wait... research is going to change a lot since many things got moved to special projects

Or maybe not, multiple special projects probably unlock old techs

[dapper fjord]

also prob rotating vertical tail tech like Junkers Ju 187 to give a rear air gunner unobstructed field of fire.. :v

well, as we can see for the air tech project most of them are jet and rocket tech, and yea.. hopefully we can see more for the propellers, as the fuselage has unique shapes like a canard, and twin-boom (prob already researched before WWII), and twin fuselage

[tacit sequoia]

i kinda just realized smth

if they do special projects + wunderwaffen, then the next thing is "ideology rework"

[signal cargo]

Maybeeee

Im hoping for a diplomacy rework

Cant do anything outside of war basically

[wise oxide]

hungry tomorrow

retirement on wensday

[wise oxide]

give examples of what you want

[signal cargo]

Easier white peace, conditional surrendering, resource trading, economic aid, demanding states or subjugation(with high requirements so its not easy or common), coalition forming if a nation is too expansionist(more flexible and temporary than factions), or integration of states(could raise compliance faster or maybe to core)

[wise oxide]

@paradox take notes

[signal cargo]

Ooo do you like my idea?

[wise oxide]

love it

[signal cargo]

:))

I would love for economic aid to work like a lend lease but instead of weapons its just use of civs

Cant be used to build mils, radar, airports, nuclear reactors, dockyards or any other military structure

[trim quartz]

What are people’s thoughts about an economic system in the game? Something a bit more than just factories and production, but very simple so that people don’t get bogged down in it all the time?

I do think some minor little things would add some charm to hoi4 a bit more, like stability and war support modifiers during wars, the effect battles or losses have on a nation

[hexed mango]

We already have those

[trim quartz]

Economy, finances etc more like Vic2

[covert quail]

well you can look at victoria which is focused more on economy little on combat look at hoi4 where its concetrated and combat and then look at eu4 where its a mix of both

i just think its not possible to have both

a good economic system and a good combat system

just play the game that will satisfy either your need for either a good economic or combat system

[trim quartz]

That’s true, it would be hard to have the best of both worlds, and hoi4 is a war game, while vic2 is focused on other aspects of a nation

[covert quail]

yeah thats my philosophy on this

also i had a stroke while writing that

[obtuse ingot]

Interwar city rebuilder?

[trim quartz]

City rebuilder? I don’t know what that is, but I think paradox intends to expand cities in some form, urban combat, tiles etc

[signal cargo]

I think a few more aspects on economy would be nice, maybe diving deeper into the actual population the happiness of the people can more determine stability like are the people able to get food or clothing or heating in the winter

Maybe in times of peace people would be more upset if you forcibly pump out weaponry rather than consumer goods

[hearty blade]

wouldnt that kill the whole game

so u cant even prepare for the war

the point of the game is to like give u time to prepare for ww2 and then fight it i dont think happiness of the people matters that much for hoi4, (we already have stability thats enough id say)

[signal cargo]

Well dictatorships which most aggressive nations play as dont really need to worry wbout the people as much so i dont see that they would be bogged down too much, more of a democratic weakness, but it can be a form of demilitarization post war so if you play late game a nation doesnt just have 500 mils and 1000 divisions

It doesnt have to be advanced

[obtuse ingot]

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Like HoI4 mixed with a city builder

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[exotic kelp]

id like to see a dlc expansion update that adds NEW REAL LIFE UNITS And TEMPLATEs

[wraith prawn]

You mean locked templates like ss divs and italian irregulars ?

[exotic kelp]

kinda yes

[wraith prawn]

Idk if it would be a good idea considering how annoying these are already.
Or they shouldn't be locked or we need to be able to disable the lock

[exotic kelp]

alr

well i meant these NEW REAL LIFE UNITS AND TEMPLATES https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_organization#Army

for the ARMY

[wraith prawn]

Oh you meant icons ? Then yeah ig it would be a neat thing to add but there are mods out there that do it too

[exotic kelp]

i meant icons and these RL units and templates

for ARMY

@wraith prawn

if PDX cant do it

ill make my own HOI4 MULTI MOD then

[wraith prawn]

They probably can do it but won't bother because of how niche a demand it is
Many mods already add those sooo yeah

[exotic kelp]

alr

ill still make my own HOI4 MULTI MOD with these REAL LIFE units and templates and icons

@wraith prawn

[wraith prawn]

Ok but stop pinging me for no reason please

[exotic kelp]

sorry

[jolly bluff]

Just base it around war support so that there’s a reason to take the propaganda decisions.

If your nation’s people are dying to go to war they’d have no problem with rationing a bit of food and making some sacrifices for the inevitable conflict.

If your nation’s people don’t want a war at all they’d naturally protest against rationing for a conflict they don’t want to see in the near future.

Kinda like how a significant part of the American public was against joining WWII because they weren’t directly affected by the conflict until the US got sucker-punched by Japan.

[jolly bluff]

This can simply be done by giving some buffs to civilian economy.

An economy geared towards providing for the people should get more buffs towards building civilian factories so as to compensate for the fact that the majority of them will go to consumer goods.

A war economy should only give buffs to the construction of military infrastructure.

[karmic oar]

I thinked all night long at something : Imagine in the wunderwaffle innovations putting a nuke silo on a Ratte tank , if that work I could litteraly create the METAL GEAR

plz Paradox make this real

[wise oxide]

german helmet unit icon would be nice in the next dlc

[solid gyro]

I'm starting to fear

That this Focus may either Nerf

Or buff the hell our of germany

[nimble torrent]

it's probably going to have them start in a somehow bad position and get them to a stronger level
like all other ai nations it's supposed to behave historically
so germany cant suck too much or they'll lose to france

[obtuse ingot]

You could have Hitler die in a plane crash and have the inner circle fighting over control

[tired bloom]

I just hope Germany is unique and has a lot of unique things

[fresh cedar]

Why would it start weak? If anything probably will start in a decent position like France/England and then just get stronger

[nimble torrent]

because lately i've noticed that quite a few nations (especially from the south america dlc and arms against tiranny) start in a horrible position only to get fixed by doing focuses
i do concede that the south america dlc was (i think) not done by the main dev team, so i can't say for sure they are going to do it again
but
it is a possibility
and if the devs go in the usual direction of adding a national spirit for the armed forces then they either put few focuses for the armed forces interacting with it, which would be a shame, or have it start with some negative things (nothing massive i assume) and build it up from there

[obtuse ingot]

Can you play as a country and not do anything?

Example. start playing as historical Germany. Do None of the focuses… do nothing… what happens

[thick edge]

U die

Did it as Iran

Ussr puppeted me

[fallen kite]

nah

do the chad thing

just don't give a country any army spirits or focuses

they have a completely unremarkable military

[outer whale]

I believe army spirits are actually good

denmark has it

and still gets steam-rolled