latest-updates

[solid gyro]

hes after you now

lol

[small pike]

I mean that aidan yapper

[errant herald]

oh

well ill be taking my leave then

[solid gyro]

keep in mind, all i've said up until this point is the new focus trees are better than the old one

[errant herald]

goodbye have fun you two

[solid gyro]

and this guy got emotionial about it

and hasn't really laid out his claims properly

[small pike]

He does nothing but default to the same argument and claims my points dont have the right syntax for his algorithm to read

[solid gyro]

this is an internet chat fourm and you're complaining about yapping

[solid gyro]

prove them wrong?

[small pike]

I told your thrice now

[solid gyro]

you've gave unjustified statements.

[small pike]

Given

[solid gyro]

Do you know what unjustifiedmeans?

[small pike]

I dont need to argue about english with someone that doesnt seem to speak it well themselfes

[solid gyro]

"themselfes"💀💀

*themselves

how you gonna point out my typo when you can't spell

anyways

this is boring

[small pike]

Thats literally just wrong

[solid gyro]

come back to me when you given your reasoning, you seem very hell bent on proving im wrong by attacking my character

[small pike]

I told you soviets have more stats, more ic and better in genral with the old tree

[solid gyro]

The dictionary is wrong now?

you are always correct

I forgot you are the arbiter of truth

[small pike]

Finally we are getting somewhere

[solid gyro]

so explain your reasoning.

[small pike]

And now its maybe time to stop acting like a disgruntled ai not being able to read the syntax of messages

[solid gyro]

"soviets have more stats", what do you mean by that?

[small pike]

I just did the 4th time now

[solid gyro]

you're saying statements

[nimble torrent]

wtf am i reading?

[solid gyro]

hes just saying random statements pretending they're arguments

[small pike]

Bro i dont have to explain you why soviets lack stats in nsb no?

You are so good at the game to figure that out yourself right

[solid gyro]

"i dont have to explain" is not an argument

if you're not willing to explain an opinion, then your opinion can be rejected without an explanation

[small pike]

Aidan, where do you play MP

Maybe we can find the bottom of being so delusional

And its reason

[solid gyro]

everyone reading this can see right now you're not willing to explain your point

[small pike]

Then im rejecting your statement that the new trees are stronger

Boom

‼️

[solid gyro]

again, why?

whats your reason

[nimble torrent]

i'm kinda interested in knowing actually
don't particularly remember the soviets pre nsb

but i gotta be honest and say that #latest-updates is for, well, talking about the latest content n developments of the game, not this i think?

[solid gyro]

don't ask me about it, he brought it up

[small pike]

This guy is too mentally dented to be left of the hook so easily

[nimble torrent]

also i really gotta stress this point
are you two arguing just for the sake of it or is there like
an actual reason that is not
"waaah waaah you are wrong!!11!! 😡 "

[small pike]

You gave no reason too

[solid gyro]

I gave mine here

How many mills do you get from the old ussr tree?

wouldn't you think a tree with less industry is... worse?

or how about a tree with less content... wouldn't that be seen as ..idk.. dated?

Kinda like how every dlc is dated prior to man the guns

but we'll never get into that because you won't wanna engage with any points

[small pike]

He asks me why i say old trees i stronger
give me an argument
i explain it again
give me proof (gives no proof himself)
says im emotional and 14
i give him reasons again
still not satisfied

[solid gyro]

true

[small pike]

I dont knoe what to do with this ape at this point hes just really really subborn

[solid gyro]

wasn't your arugment that you didn't need to explain it lol

[small pike]

I explained it 4 times you morron

[solid gyro]

define explained

[small pike]

Bro are you a walking dictionary

[solid gyro]

No?

[small pike]

Or just the 4 iq gigachad

[small pike]

Again you jump straight to the conclusion

[solid gyro]

I'm asking you what you mean by explained. If you define explained by "not explaining any premise and insult me", then by your defintion you did explain it

[small pike]

I got like 270 by barb back then

Soviets now get 200~

[solid gyro]

I layed my premises out and I gave the conclusion, do you disagree with my conclusion?

[solid gyro]

thats a skill issue.

[small pike]

Whats you sov mill count

Dont tell me you build civs till 39

Civ greeders get bonked

200~ is with nov 37 civ cut to maximize ic

[solid gyro]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/sca0qy/soviet_union_industrial_strategy_for_500/

I use this strat I found years ago

[small pike]

NOooooooo

We have come full circle

[solid gyro]

???

[small pike]

Man thinks factory big = good

[solid gyro]

480-530 factories

[small pike]

But ic big = good

[solid gyro]

...yes?

im sorry what?

[still forum]

Soviet factories produce more in modern tree btw

A lot more

[solid gyro]

is less factories better?

[small pike]

Around 1.6 to germany mills i know

[solid gyro]

what are you talking about

[nimble torrent]

the guide's not bad
so long as you follow the focus order, not the "build civs until mid 39"

[small pike]

Still pre nsb was stronger

[solid gyro]

wrong

[small pike]

The focus order is okay ish for reddit guide

But really nothing for mp

[solid gyro]

explain to the class what you mean here

[small pike]

This is my dream soviet to go against

[solid gyro]

good thing no body is taking about mp here

[small pike]

Like you kill them in 4 months and have all their civies

[small pike]

Im just making an example

[solid gyro]

again, your example is meaningless

[still forum]

Btw soviet tree being weaker for barbarossa doesnt make it worse overall that's design

[nimble torrent]

it actually kinda is
the longer you have military factories the more equipment they will produce
both because 2 days of production is more than 1
and because of the efficiency increase
this is why civ greeding (building civs for very long) is usually frowned upon
you have a strong civilian economy, sure
but not enough production output to properly play the game

[small pike]

Facts dont care aboit your feelings

[still forum]

If you hold long enough you'll be a lot stronger than you would be before

[small pike]

Lemme pull out the greed Calucalotr

[still forum]

At later 42 your military debuffs all turn into buffs

Military and airforce

While factories produce more

And you'll have more of them anyway

[small pike]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/uvhdqjukzz

[solid gyro]

I like roleplaying as soviets and I don't sweat in singleplayer.

[small pike]

It depends

[solid gyro]

you're talking about mid maxing economy, which is fine but i dont play this game to midmax, economy. It gets boring

[small pike]

On most nations you dont catch ic till like 45 with civ greed

[nimble torrent]

oh then it's absolutely fine
these are """meta""" talking points
the game's gotta be enjoyable tho, everything else comes after

[solid gyro]

I like to challenge and increase difficulty by only building civs for aslong as possible to see how fat my economy is

I dont aim to win by 1941, ive done it but its kinda boring repeating the same thing

[small pike]

And he asked which nation is stronger at perfect play

Well which tree

I gave him an answer he didnt like

[solid gyro]

you didn't justfy your answer

you said an answer without a reason

[small pike]

How can you justify something if you spam x for doubt

[still forum]

Old tree might have advantage initially which later turns heavily on modern advantage

[solid gyro]

if someone asks you to explain an answer, you dont give the answer as the explanation.

[small pike]

Yea ofc its about barb strength

[solid gyro]

thats your problem for not justifying your reason

you were given ample time to explain your reason

[small pike]

This is hoi4, i can pulls long excel sheets but i think you should know when its wise to give up

[solid gyro]

and now other people entered the chat and they have more important things to say than u

[small pike]

This is no court case

[nimble torrent]

also yeah im stupid/tired af
i don't understand the graph?
is it supposed to show the total ic over the years?
but it dips?

[small pike]

The dip is at war start where it stops making sense

[solid gyro]

explaining your opinions is only for the courtroom 😂

[small pike]

Y axis is total reliative ic

X axis is how many years you built civs for

[nimble torrent]

ok so it's better to do 2 years of civs or smth?
slightly less than 2 yrs

[small pike]

You pick the war date

[small pike]

No civs is mathematically bbest

But you dont have all the equipment asap

[nimble torrent]

damn no civs russia?
that does not take into account buying resources i guess?
although the allies should trade with you...

[small pike]

Formula to calculate average buildspeed is 0.17 * average infra speed (60% infra 1.6) * additional mill speed (only war eco = 1.2)

[small pike]

Thats why you still build civs

Nov 37 is good for ussr cause it lines up well with basic medium chassis

And gun 2 if you got someone rushing it

[nimble torrent]

fair, thx!

[twin maple]

A Brazil rework

Please, a focus tree for Senor H

[wise needle]

anyone think there will be a dlc for the rest of south america?

[solid gyro]

newest argentina fascist focus tree will be "exfiltrate hitler"

[ripe delta]

for me if there should be a whole dlc for south america, but it all depends on the content they give for the new dlc they announced, maybe brazil, chile and argentina are focused on the biggest focuses as the page says, but we must assume that there will be more focuses not so big for countries like peru, bolivia, colombia, venezuela, ecuador, uruguay and possibly the guyanas.

i thought they would focus more on brazil, argentina and colombia, but i honestly never thought that chile could have a good focus tree.

also if they are going to update south america i would say to put something very important

PUT EASTER ISLAND IN THE GAME

https://tenor.com/view/konya-gif-27452116

[dense gale]

Aidan is completely brain dead like they thinks they are open minded

But when an explanation was given to them about why something was better they just deflect and say nuh uh

Like their first point was literally all the nation with old focus tree were weak

I showed they were stronger and it all became nuh uh

.

[small pike]

i also cba to explain the guy that i dont have to write a college paper thesis when he also isnt writing one

its just the everyone is wrong except me altitude

and them my man goes on a temper tantrum everytiime he thinks he got some legitimate point against me

[dense gale]

its whatever

better content wise prob but in no way shape or form are the newer tree stronger

[small pike]

thats the point we both were trying to make

[dense gale]

yea

[small pike]

look through this guys chat history

its a story of reaching the narrow limits of his understanding and going defense mode

aidan lore

[dense gale]

just didnt play the game enough to find out about raj cannon 2 engine 4 spawn in in mid 40

and the same for the hungarians

[small pike]

oh god "hungary do fighter competition, we need good fighter"

[dense gale]

lmao

[small pike]

the dark days of BBA

[dense gale]

really still cant fathom how they thought japan was weak when u had planes that are a whole 40% cheaper than aliied counterparts while requiring zero frame or engine research

[small pike]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-imposter-imposter-among-us-sus-among-us-sus-gif-158167910449982651

D4Y "Suisei"

[rigid aurora]

That map font hurts my eyes....

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[terse slate]

So Trial of Allegiance only comes with Brazil focus tree....

An entire dlc for 1 country bruv

[tacit sequoia]

Nah there’s more

Argentina Brazil Chile Paraguay Uruguay

[ripe delta]

only brazil, argentina and chile are the ones that will trend the big focus tree, but possibly the other south american countries will have more events or a smaller focus tree.

[terse slate]

Where does it say other countries will get focus trees?

[tacit sequoia]

Steam page

[tacit sequoia]

That’s current dev diary for now

It already showed parts of Argentina and Chile lol

[terse slate]

Oh wow

True

Gawdawm

So only Brazil, Argentina & Chile ? 😭

[tacit sequoia]

2 more

Paraguay and Uruguay

[terse slate]

Missing Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, Ecuador, Paraguay and Uruguay.
From those, only Colombia and Peru would be the main characters. Venezuela and Ecuador are Colombia 2.0 and Paraguay & Uruguay are just... there.

[weary crow]

Next ubgrade?

[terse slate]

truee

but minor

and releasable nations??

bruh wtf

[tacit sequoia]

Atleast it’s a tree

[weary crow]

Somone like puppets

[tacit sequoia]

waiting for the bigger dlc, I bought this one tho ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weary crow]

Like you are luxemburg and puppet ussr

[terse slate]

CHILEAN SPANISH

LMAOOOO

get ready to not understand a crap

[weary crow]

Image focus tree to spain anex you

[terse slate]

ew

[tacit sequoia]

There’s going to be bigger dlc, why else would they be releasing this one early

[terse slate]

no latin american country will have a tree to get annexed back into the spanish empire

mexico doesnt have one and they already have a tree

[terse slate]

maybe the rest of SA ?

[tacit sequoia]

Or other regions

[terse slate]

nah i think it should be sa

[tacit sequoia]

Depends

[terse slate]

they're already there, might as well finish it

Gives way more synergy

[weary crow]

And give core to spain

[tacit sequoia]

So they’re gonna do similar to the caves update in Minecraft? Lol

[terse slate]

spain cant even core their african colonies

lmfao

[terse slate]

Wdym? Like in 2 parts lol

[tacit sequoia]

Mhm

Both are Swedish so…

why not ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[terse slate]

LMAO

D:

Damnit

2024 will be the south america in hoi4

[tacit sequoia]

Sorry paradox overlords, meant it as a joke!!!!

Europe in Flames has bigger trees than these trees upcoming

Like way bigger bearing 500+ focuses

[terse slate]

ww2 more like european war #754738284

[tacit sequoia]

Exactly

Napoleonic Wars should’ve been WW1

[terse slate]

still european war #685695

[tacit sequoia]

Ya mean European war #694202496

[terse slate]

when i was a child i thought world wars meant it was a free for all every country for itself

lmfao

like seeing mf singapour attacking canada and then afghanistan shooting brazil and crazy stuff

[ripe delta]

I base my opinion on the fact that in the first paragraph of the page it says that brazil, argentina and chile will have the largest focus tree, but they should also update the whole region by placing small focus trees for example to countries like peru, bolivia and ecuador, since with only the 3 countries with the largest focus they could annex the continent without any challenge.

[polar jasper]

Holy crap, that is just too much

[tacit sequoia]

They’re short though

Like 29-35 day focuses

[polar jasper]

Idc, when war starts, I like my 70 days so I can focus on the war

[tacit sequoia]

Hell lowest have to be 11-17 days

[polar jasper]

I don't want to spend half the game staring at a focus tree or the decisions screen

That was my problem with the Kaiserreich Germany update

[tacit sequoia]

70 days kinda too long (I got midtier laptop and midtier-high tier tower which are pretty good)

[polar jasper]

70 days is perfectly fine during war time

70 days early game is awful

Especially if there is nothing to do

[tacit sequoia]

Pretty much the focuses…

They ain’t more than 58 unless war stuff, otherwise it’s 29 days

Hell even to prep for civil wars it’s short enough to get through all of it (including USSR)

[polar jasper]

Meanwhile the Czechs with a 14 day focus

[tacit sequoia]

.

[tacit sequoia]

Sadly Czechs didn’t get worked on in mod

Devs think they get ran over easily along with Austria

It’s a fun mod tho despite the trees not being there

[graceful pendant]

what mod should i play

[mild star]

Darkest hour

[wraith kernel]

Project reality

[wraith kernel]

Fun Fact. Chile has never lost a war

[rich tinsel]

[slim moat]

IDK, wich ones have you alredy played

[wraith kernel]

not a joke btw. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Chile

[rich tinsel]

Oh nah i was laughing at something i posted

turns out it was in the wrong channel

[solid gyro]

Germany has sucked because of lack of Variety

Alot of the Majors do

I think Russia is the best out of the European majors because although you always do the same stuff

You have a bunch of different ideologies to pick from

Germany has just like 3 paths

[solid gyro]

Tbh bigger doesn't always Mean better

Sometimes big trees are just too much

Like sometimes I honestly Neglect some military trees because there's no time to do them w/political trees

So they're like a late game "there's nothing else" thing

[heady hazel]

i need help pushing

i am out of guns and everything melts

and my navy has been blown to bits

[heady hazel]

i am stuck

[nimble torrent]

some context?

if you are out of guns you gotta increase the production and interrupt any battles for the forseeable future
not much can be done for the navy im afraid

[solid gyro]

Dont push and rebuild for a while

[slim moat]

If you need variety go play with mods

[solid gyro]

I meant for KR

You'd need summons for KR

[quiet smelt]

Did you actually upgrade the starting navy?

[magic ether]

What is the meta division
7 infantry 2 artillery with Superior firepower (Shock & Awe)?
Is the Marine doctrine better (more practical) than Paratrooper

[tacit sequoia]

uhhh ok

just got confused

did the hoi4 people fix the sven lindholm pfp? or am i just imagining things lol

[tacit sequoia]

cuz ik this was the pfp, but im wonderin now cuz i got tno map mod on

[jaunty yacht]

Sweden, right?

[tacit sequoia]

yep

[jaunty yacht]

I’ll go check and ping you when I find the results

[tacit sequoia]

Alright

[quiet parcel]

This is not true

[wraith kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

[still forum]

Ivaaan

[lethal bone]

You're an idiot?

[wraith kernel]

Will Argentina be able to conquer the south of Chile and the strait of magellan through a Beagle channel focus tree? Chile and Argentina almost went to war for it in 1978 and the border conflict dates back to 1904

Same way will argentina be able to invade the falklands through focus tree?

[crimson violet]

For now we know just some of the brazil focus tree

[still forum]

Ivan?

[jolly terrace]

Man i hoped they will add focus tree to the country that was known prussia of south america but apperiantly its not

[gentle dune]

hello peeps

oh no no no

i dont know any of you

[still forum]

Brazil tree looking good

[crimson violet]

Uruguay?

[quartz prism]

Chile

[still forum]

When will we get this dlc already

[gilded estuary]

They stated that there will be a focus tree for brazil, argentina and chile if iam not mistaken

And a small one for paraguay

Its in the steam description of the dlc

[quartz prism]

Yeah, but the Prussia of South America is Chile

[gilded estuary]

Oh I actually thought you were the other guy who thought there isnt going to be one for chile

Sorry

[gilded estuary]

.

[quartz prism]

No need to apologize, bro

But yes, the confirmed focus trees: Bra, Arg, Chi, Uru, Par

[opaque flare]

Are Par an Uru in as well?

[terse quail]

No Venezuela!?

Or Central America!?

I think Central America should have its own basic focus tree like China and maybe the each have their own small unique part or somethin g

Same with South America

[tacit sequoia]

march 7th

[quartz prism]

Yes it is

[still forum]

Yes

[still forum]

Ehhh

[tacit sequoia]

ya gotta wait a month ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise adder]

Huey long brought back from the dead and forms American monarchy path when 🔥

[oblique reef]

when mongolia update

they should add a focus tree that brings back the mongolian empire

and to core all those states

[wraith kernel]

you get mongolian empire if you go facist

[still forum]

Will ukraine ever get a tree?

[dense gale]

why would they

they would have to completely rework a very new ussr tree

[pure valve]

They don’t exist at the start of the game ?

[still forum]

yeah

but they often get released

either through reichkomissariat

or during russian civil war

or just get released

ethiopia also got releasables right

with tree

[fading pebble]

We need Tannu Tuva techtree

[still forum]

i think ukraine have more alt history potential than tannu tuva

and could play a rather bigger role

[fading pebble]

Yes, but Tannu Tuva is Tannu tuva

But yeah

We need focus trees

[opaque flare]

Extremely unlikely due to current war. Paradox generally tries to safeguard themselves from potential controversies related to current events.

They cited this as a reason for killing their Cold War game, for example.

In general Paradox becomes more cautious over time. I suspect that if HoI didn't exist and someone at Paradox pitched the idea for it today the game wouldn't be green-lit at all.

[visual willow]

the current war has nothing to do with a pre 1950 ukraine

[opaque flare]

yes, but people will be judgemental.

[visual willow]

sucks to be them ig

[still forum]

well

russia got a tree right

[tardy oar]

soviet?

[still forum]

yeah

[muted timber]

Hello

[plucky kernel]

Czechoslovakia needs a rework

It has a smaller focus tree then what estonia

And czechoslovakia could have interesting events

Or unique mechanics

Like the mechanic of seeling guns

Could do smth with it

Since it was internstional exporter of guns

Or sudeten crisis

Trough a game mechanic

Where you need to make either consecions or suppress the rebbels

Etc

[west iron]

So does Germany, Japan, USA, a few Chinese and Commonwealth nations, etc

Japan and USA have lots of potential but their focus trees dont reflect that at all

[visual willow]

oh look a classic, [pre NSB tree] needs a rework!!! so original

[still forum]

That one is not suprising

Estonia dont have small nor bad tree

[still forum]

Nsb tree vs dod

Clash of titans

[still forum]

You can do it already btw

[visual willow]

healthy young adults versus sick and disabled old people? that is... uhm, not really a good matchup

[solemn pike]

that sounds like a perfect balance wdym?

[solid gyro]

is the dev diary today or tmmrw? iirc last two dlcs had their dev diaries on wednesday

[solid gyro]

suppose I have my answer then lol

[tacit sequoia]

IS THIS A KAISERREICH REFERENCE????

[cedar cave]

guys

[cedar cave]

is uruguaty

in the dlc?

[tacit sequoia]

yeah, this is argentine

[pure valve]

It might be today idk though

[dense gale]

it already came out

its on argentina

[solid gyro]

Yeah that’s what I meant, it dropped

[long ruin]

IS THIS A TNO REFERENCE

[tacit sequoia]

NAH TIS KAISERREICH!!

[long ruin]

so what cores does argentina get?

i mean what can it core

I assume Uruguay of course

[wraith kernel]

ARRRGENTINAAA

[paper estuary]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate that this "Demand Compensation" be mutually excludent with the "Support the Spanish Coup"?

Sounds weird that a former colony gone fascist would support spanish nationalists and then go asking for compensation lol

[jaunty yacht]

I mean Mexico does, but they don’t ask for compensation, but that is more because Lázaro Cárdenas was more humanitarian

On the other hand it does make sense, though I don’t think Spain would compensate Argentina

At least not with territory

[still forum]

No

It's literally point of doing that

[still forum]

South america

Also some fromables

Argentinian confederation

Something like that

[paper estuary]

Elaborate

[still forum]

No

[paper estuary]

[still forum]

Better elaborate why would i intervere in spanish civil war and get nothing from it

[paper estuary]

Mainly because european powers (especially one that's just turned fascist) would most certainly not care to compensate their past american colonies unless threatened somehow

Unless, of course, the threat was pulling their support out of the civil war

[still forum]

.

Also you would probably get a war goal if they refused anyway

Probably you could support republicans from this moment on and they would give it to you

[floral cradle]

question

is there any way i can get in touch with the dev team responsible for the new DLC?

i would like to offer my help and some suggestions as the creator of the EUYL mod

[paper estuary]

That sounds far fetched

Especially because we don't know what this compensation is...
Probably not territory because the only territories Spain holds are northern Morocco and Equatorial Guinea

[still forum]

It's guinea

[paper estuary]

I forgot Western Sahaara

[fast apex]

I noticed a small error when I was looking at the Argentine development diary, and it refers to the generals' uniforms.

I have seen that they gave him brown uniforms, when in reality they are blue.

[still forum]

did you change yourself colour of 2nd photo?

[fast apex]

Yes

It is more than anything illustrative of what that uniform should be like.

[still forum]

you must be good at photoshop lol

[fast apex]

hahah I am dedicated to colorizing black and white photos

maybe that's why

[still forum]

[fast apex]

https://tenor.com/view/perón-manos-peron-maquina-de-escribir-argentina-gif-22990754

[long ruin]

Anyone else think brazils historical ai being join the allies is dumb ?

Can't it just be some extra rubber and volunteer cap

[visual willow]

Can you please tell me if brazil ever joined a side in ww2, and if so, which side?

[fast apex]

Let me use my time machine and prevent Brazil from entering the Second World War.

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-back-to-the-past-flying-car-gif-14179778

[paper estuary]

Aight, now that I got to properly read the dev diary I got it lol

Maybe the Canary Islands would be cool as well, aside from Equatorial Guinea
For setting a base closer to Europe

May lead to starting a dispute against Brazil for higher control over the Atlantic

[fast apex]

Ortíz after joining the axis since he is an Anglophile:

🤫🧏‍♂️

[wraith kernel]

Chileee

[oblique reef]

chilenese

[still forum]

What chile will be like

[vapid juniper]

Sorry if it's been asked before, but does peronism feature into the new DLC?

Or at least Perón for that matter

I found no mention of it in the fascist/communist/non aligned paths shown in the dev diary

[solid gyro]

Peron is not going to be a leader

He’s gonna be a military high command

[vapid juniper]

Ah, gotcha

Thanks mate

[fast apex]

Perón 1943

[paper estuary]

I know it would be very late game
But Juan Perón got elected in 1946, shouldn't he somehow show up as a leader? Even if under very specific conditions/circumstances

Just for the flavor, and adding some slight buffs to the economy

[still forum]

well

game ends up in 1945

but should he?

probably

[paper estuary]

1948, actually

[still forum]

Most of tech ends up in 1945+ war is supposed to end by 1945 where it politely ask you to leave

[fast apex]

In Argentina at the end of 45 there are elections and the candidates are José Pascual Tamborini (Pro-allied, Anti factist and anti military) And Juan Domingo Perón. Tamborini is represented by the "Democratic Union" party and Perón is represented by the 'Argentine Laborist Party"

[solid gyro]

sometimes

[solid gyro]

so if u check out the dev responses

they just said recently that Peron is being looked into as a potential leader due to popular demand

[solid gyro]

No problem, but I've an update, they recently said on the dev diary responses that Peron is being looked at as a leader now due to popular demandf

[vapid juniper]

Thanks edd

I thought it was strange that historically it was overlooked

[paper estuary]

Aye, Cool
Thanks for the update

[solid gyro]

Yep

No problem

[terse slate]

Did everyone else also got the update??????

[pseudo wing]

There was no update, you may have gotten an update towards one of your mods or a steam 'check' which acts like a game update but is just verifying your game to a degree

[solid gyro]

sosig

[vernal coral]

theres also shader caching if you have that turned on

[drowsy flame]

shit wrong channel

[solid gyro]

YO GUYS

I HAVE A MOTHER

[robust wigeon]

Oh, happy for u ^^

(Im new here)

[brave fjord]

Hahaha! Good one ! It would be better if you said you had a... GIRLFREND! AHAHHAHAHA

[upbeat mango]

are girls a new a hoi4 dlc?

[solid gyro]

😢

[brave fjord]

No it's like a joke about aliens that try to take over the earth but I never seen them so they don't exist

[upbeat mango]

whatever they are im scared of em

[brave fjord]

They don't exist

It's like a joke

Don't worry

Wanna play a game instead of talking what not exist?

[brave fjord]

Hey

[upbeat mango]

hey

[brave fjord]

Hey

[upbeat mango]

Hey

[brave fjord]

Hey

[upbeat mango]

hey

[brave fjord]

So you are going to play?

[upbeat mango]

what?

hoi4?

[brave fjord]

Yes

Why not

[upbeat mango]

im the one guy who doesnt understand one single thing about hoi4

[brave fjord]

0_o

Then maybe we will be saim experiance

[upbeat mango]

meaning?

[brave fjord]

That I also not so good at hoi4

Only like 1000 hours yourube and 50 hours playing

[brave fjord]

1000 hours youtube looping have tu use fc navy

[upbeat mango]

what is navy?

[still forum]

A waste of time

And resources

[brave fjord]

But you can conquer uk with it

@upbeat mango so you are going to play?

[upbeat mango]

nug

h

im

kinda tired for hoi4

[brave fjord]

Ok play hoi4 then

[elder brook]

hey

[eager mortar]

hey

[solid gyro]

yo

[plucky gazelle]

i died to belgium in my first game

😭

[eager mortar]

i died to poland and the allies

in my first game

( i didn't know how to move units)

[solid gyro]

FUN FACT: i'm not motherless

[frozen mountain]

woof woof

[still forum]

Mongolia should get a tree in nsb

[solid gyro]

buy all dlc

hoi4 sucks without dlc

[upbeat mango]

I have all

[solid gyro]

then

you just played hoi4

for a long time

and find another game

[still forum]

They didnt change too much for a long time

[solid gyro]

if you find that you are not having fun with the game anymore

it means you completed it

find another game

[still forum]

So not suprised it gets boring

[solid gyro]

go play league

🫡

[still forum]

No

[bleak sierra]

Bruh

[still forum]

That's worst thing

That can happen to you

[upbeat mango]

I want to play ready or not but i dont have the money for it

[solid gyro]

why are you so poor

if you are that poor

if you can't afford a single game

don't playe a videogame and get a job

[bleak sierra]

This channel ain't for this type of discussions

[upbeat mango]

Fr

[solid gyro]

fr tho

[bleak sierra]

#off-topic

[still forum]

Can we already get to what everybody wanted

Which is brazil alt hists

[teal scroll]

<@&846894118219022336>

[jaunty nymph]

ty

[teal scroll]

np

[terse quail]

Narc

[analog lintel]

whos waiting for tnd

[still forum]

??

[gusty mason]

No

[terse quail]

Omg meeee 🥰

[solid gyro]

@languid tundrabro is a cow

[elder brook]

literally

[gusty saddle]

i love GWR

[fervent prairie]

Fix Norway soft lock

[still forum]

Which one

[dreamy haven]

a

[fervent prairie]

The democratic war path, where if you don't get 16 development before you declare on Sweden or Denmark. You can't fix you military spirit. They also need to rebalance the cost of the preparedness. It's way too expensive for a country like Norway

[still forum]

Oh yeah

They could also add another research slot

Every path have focus that fit for it anyway

[long ruin]

no discussion after ping?

[solid gyro]

Chile Monarchist tree it wild

[woeful dew]

Based on the latest Developer Diary. I think PDX should make a portrait for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Lee_Jemison
As the leader of the United States of Native America.

[tacit sequoia]

Since y’all be barking about Inca empire

Here’s screenshot from chile

[still forum]

Chile tree looks really good though

[visual willow]

can i say it?

[still forum]

It's ok to dislike some countries but you can chill out

[visual willow]

not that, more "shame of it's location though"

[still forum]

Isn't that a reason why they improve this location though?

Before there wasnt anything

Now ones those countries get content its becoming better

[visual willow]

yeah and now there will be only 3 trees and some filler trees
awayyyyy from the important action

[still forum]

5

Look at africa

And asia

[visual willow]

putting content there doesn't really make it important, it just makes it so if you zoom out you can now see that there miiiight be a change in an area you otherwise wouldn't even care to look at

[still forum]

Not much better

[visual willow]

northern africa is pretty important

[visual willow]

asia is also pretty important with japan doing it's whole thing and the soviets having a massive front there with japan potentionally

meanhile you need basically all of SA to go fascist for it to be any threat, US can just remove it's guarentees at any time

[still forum]

They reworked monroe

No guarantees anymore

[visual willow]

damn they did

you still have to make it all the way to mexico though

or pray that the axis get sea supremacy

[still forum]

Well yeah but before world tension goes high enough you could get like 2-3 countries and from this point you are basically a major

[visual willow]

unless they have an absolutely busted naval trees, they aren't going far though

[still forum]

Maybe ally with mexico?

Or join other sides

Like ally with japan against us

[visual willow]

i accounted japan as part of the axis

[still forum]

Or allign with us against japan

[visual willow]

then you're not any different then any other country

[still forum]

Well yeah they are kinda a country like other are

With unique content

But end up ususally joining same conflict

[visual willow]

yeha but if all they exist for is to ship out troops to completely other continents.... really not "great" content

compared to countries who are right, there

[still forum]

Sounds like aat nations mostly?

They fight ususally in their own region

And if they want to do something more

They have to do it from other nations territory

[visual willow]

ah yes, if only the are maybe next to some important countries for HOI4. Like maybe bordering the core territory of germany or the soviets

the "worst" of these is norway, which is 2 andborders away from the 2 most important majors to get

meanwhile brazil is like 4 borderhops away if you somehow count all of central america as 1 nation

[still forum]

Well kind off

But then brazil is a lot more major nation than norway is in terms of population industry and size

[visual willow]

and a lot less relevant

[still forum]

Also took part of a war

[visual willow]

that's not really important

it's about potentional, not a checkermark on wikipedia that they partook in ww2

[still forum]

Brazil was kinda relevant though

[visual willow]

for most nations, their participation in ww2 gives them a lot of potentional though

[still forum]

Usa really wanted to keep it on their sides

[visual willow]

because IRL they have a lot more impact then hoi4 can provide with it's mechanics

[still forum]

It will be probably even more important as irl they didnt have chance to unite whole continent

No but for real

It have flaws

But i dont see why wouldnt it get a tree and dozens of less relevant countries does

It will make south america a lot more interesting than it is now

Also i think it is more important than norway

Cuz germany losing invasion of norway is not end of the world

But brazil have more potential impact

As it can maintain stronger army airforce and fleet

[visual willow]

maybe those also shouldn't then?

[still forum]

Nah it would decrease replayability

[visual willow]

it wouldn't

[still forum]

Doing same wars over and over is boring anyway

[still forum]

How so? Less content for countries= less content to play

[visual willow]

not having irrelevant countries get new trees won't make the effort going into them dissapear

it just wouldve gone to more relevant palces

[still forum]

Well not really as many of the people like what if scenarios

And you can make it only to some point

Like yeah most of those major countries except ussr and italy needs rework but then you can do it only to some point

After which there's overcomplication

Like france

France could get a better tree

But making 998484 paths for it wouldnt make it better than adding stuff to other nations

I personally rarely play majors

Only italy and ussr and not for majority of time

Most of time i like playing nations like poland or other minors

I really enjoyed estonia too

Nordics are kinda ok too now

Although i dont really love finland

Especially since this exact dlc have separate team creating it

And main team work on something else

[worn depot]

After looking at the Chile Monarchist Path Im honestly quite dissapointed with it being French, despite Chile having Prussian influence as acknowledged at the beginning of the chile dev diary the monarchist path is French instead of Prussian

[still forum]

There's another pseudo monarchy path where you liberate native americans lol

Chile will have better tree than 90% of nations lol

[still forum]

Just looked at the chile focus again

And have a feeling

Did they really gave such a tree to chile?

It's like some of the largest trees they made yet

That's not even all leaders i think and compare it with france lol

Yeah those are probably from elections only

[terse slate]

nice

[still forum]

They literally focused more on chile than brazil in same dlc

Tons of unique releasables

Native americans will get unique leaders but ukraine will not

[worn depot]

yeah but its also not prussian

[still forum]

Prussian inca?

[civic garnet]

Haha can’t wait for them to go back and fix the commonwealth nations!

[remote cloud]

As a chilean historian from the Instituto Nacional and part of a mapuche community, I am really really happy xD

[solid gyro]

alright looking forward to Chile

faith in DLC restored

[fading violet]

holy shit why does millenium dawn crashes so much

[solid gyro]

bad pc

[solid gyro]

so is brazil getting a focus tree i have not been keeping up

[proven bloom]

Yes

finally

after all those years

But i still want to see the antarctic empire on the map lol

[tacit sequoia]

Technoblade never dies

[analog lintel]

ambatukam

[solid gyro]

Personally, I can’t wait for them to fix Japan and America

[lapis forge]

whod win

[misty zephyr]

I have received ver1.13.7, but what is changed?

According to WinMerge, only hoi4.exe is changed from ver1.13.6 (except changelog.txt).

And the changelog is this

[dense gale]

did they seriously update the game for a teaser of future dlc

anyway i guess this confirms its a japan rework for next dlc

[solid gyro]

This is just cursed

Imagine being an AA gunner and shooting down a plan just for another one to appear behind it

And so on

[lapis forge]

Fr then watching as every single battleship/big ship get torpedod

Praying to god your not next

[solid gyro]

I am going to invade irq

iraw

iraq

no

[halcyon anvil]

huh what does this mean

[solid gyro]

What map mod is this?

Looks nice

[solid gyro]

Someone said it is a teaser for a Japan update

Meaning that the DEU

Thailand

Mongolia

And and maybe Mengukuo get content

[polar jasper]

Looks like the buoy from the first teaser

For the Nordic dlc

[halcyon anvil]

That's great, so is that an ASCII art for a new DLC?

[polar jasper]

Could also be a sun

[halcyon anvil]

Ohh the rising sun

[solid gyro]

uh

[solid gyro]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2287823948

[frosty oak]

https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1071361/1707374546487.png

this new screenshot showing states

also paraguay starting out as democratic now like historical before their short revolution?

paraguay tree triple confirmed

™️

[still forum]

If paradox already do something like restoration of native americans they should try harder than "united states of native america" while the only releasable are alaskan-canadian one for usa

I hope it is not final version of it

[dense gale]

and the yen

[solid gyro]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[solid gyro]

They said some content, I assume it's gonna be like the Baltic tree

[frosty oak]

More than I’d expect, I’d assume it would be more along the lines of Iceland’s tree

[still forum]

More like iceland probably

[frosty oak]

I think Iceland is a good example of a tiny country tree, something between the Baltic’s half and half tree and say, the Chinese Warlord/Horn Of Africa Trees

[solid gyro]

Probably yeah

[frigid sonnet]

wtf

how does this even happen

and how did your planes engage

with ships

its really hard for planes to spot then engage with ships

[solid gyro]

I have a theory

If we're getting a Japan rework

It's likely we may also get some flavour for Germany

Meaning if the next DLC is Japan, the one after that will likely either be Middle East or rest of South America

And the final DLC will probably end up being Germany and European trees

[slate light]

When is post war Argentina update where Hitler is added as advisor

[solid gyro]

I also would doubt

That at the very least they'll revamp the regular trees

[solid gyro]

Idk looks dif. from the screenshot

[maiden mica]

Imo most in need is Italy and japan

[solid gyro]

Italy is good now

[halcyon anvil]

China rework should follow along with Japan

[solid gyro]

Maybe?

Idk I haven't heard many people complain about China

Atleast not as much as Japan

But I'm atleast hoping for a tree fir the 3 big nations left in Asia

The DEI, Mongolia, n Thailand

[simple isle]

i wanna filippines content

[still coral]

what's DEI

[visual willow]

Dutch east indies

[visual willow]

I'm hoping they first give all the chinas some decent trees

But my biggest hope is a revamped generic tree, it's so bad and will solve like 90% of countries

[dense gale]

China is actually complete ass conpared to japan

Japan at least is still strong with the focus tree

While china tree

Have no content and no strong buffs

[still forum]

Op doesnt mean good btw

[dense gale]

In saying china tree have zero redeeming factors

No content

And not strong

[still forum]

All old trees suck

[dense gale]

Germany is decent

The defacto starting nation for everyone

[still forum]

Chile is better

[visual willow]

Except bulgaria

[visual willow]

Germany is meh

[hollow lion]

Germany > Bulgaria

🙃

Hungary/Romania are fun despite their simple trees because they are midly OP

[still forum]

German tree is bad without any potential of playing different same path

Like as nazis

It will always look same

[hollow lion]

[still forum]

Only kaisser is different

But he also have basically 2 styles of playing

You cant focus on something else etc

Look at the eco tree

Military

Etc

It's just made so you pick this 6 civs but cant decide if you want to focus on it even more

It just ends there

Chile is example of how paradox trees should be like

Another bad thing about german tree is that it have 0 difficulty level and is full of nonsense

Like you not only start with 0 negative national spirits

But also can do some stupid stuff like invasions of poland in 36 without allied reaction

Just bland boring and little

[polar jasper]

I always found Germany to be the box standard tree.

Could use work, but not the worst

[long ruin]

Canadas been pretty solid every since they gave it both national steel car and quebec conscription

still lowish on pop but gets like 90 factories maxed out I think, most resources u need with the remaining you can trade from the US

other than rubber of course

[frosty oak]

War Effort update to give social democracy ccp the ability to declare the people’s republic please

[visual willow]

maybe if it ever gets a full tree

[still forum]

Why does ussr start with naval invasions researched

All it does is breaking the game for finland

It's not like soviets are known for making large naval invasions

[primal hemlock]

there should be a hotkey for following a division

like if i double right click a division i follow them until i move my mouse

[slate light]

good idea devs please add

[long ruin]

they navally invaded crimea

[slate light]

Devs should add Postal dude as general

[teal scroll]

they move so slow it wouldn't ever be needed

[still forum]

It was 1944

Something far off from winter war

Besides that it was more of landings than real naval invasion

[polar jasper]

I did not expect Chile to look like a lot of fun. Lots of potential replayability with them

[lean comet]

all of the 3 SA countries will be

[still forum]

Well

Hoi is the only game ever made

Where chile have more content than usa

Like 4x more

Lets hope it will be better designed than finnish tree

Which have choices between

1. Struggle with making any divs, have little industry and few resources

Or

2. Multiply your population and get top major industry for free while having like 1/4 of world's steel resources

[polar jasper]

The US should have gotten some more work to it with this patch, Monroe Doctrine and such

Is it likely? Sadly, no

[still forum]

Well they changed monroe they said but that's the only thing

Those trees needs to be remade from scratch

[polar jasper]

Fair enough

[still forum]

There's the thing

I'm not american

[lean comet]

My name is George bro

Who are you

[still forum]

Aulus

[lean comet]

[primal hemlock]

found a bug ig idk

[tacit sequoia]

there should be a remembrance achievement for Queen Elizabeth passing (cuz you can get her as leader of the UK)

even though its late game, it can match the "Vive la France" achievement also

or "time is on our side"

[pseudo wing]

"Mom, can we have By Blood Alone?"

Mom: 'No we have By Blood Alone at home.'

BBA at home;

[crimson violet]

I just noticed that they added a single new focus in german tree about swedish trade with aat

[random walrus]

why no albert canal in belgium

[polar jasper]

Is this the Germany path for Ethiopia?

Like exile path

[still forum]

No it's cheese

[polar jasper]

Huh

Wait, I've think I've seen this

It is the integration thing if Germany is Ethiopia puppet

[still forum]

If any nation gets their capital in horn of africa you can annex it

So if germany caps but still have some major in faction and occupied land africa and gets their capital there then you can annex it

[polar jasper]

Do you get cores on mainland Germany too?

[still forum]

Saddly nope

[polar jasper]

RIP, cheesy, but not too cheesy

[still forum]

But you will get whole mainland germany for free

Allies will withdraw and accept this fate

[hazy thicket]

why does my navy keep doing this??

[jovial merlin]

why are interwar smallframes capable of wielding anti tank canon

but basic small frames are not both with engine 1

'we have advanced technologically, we can now no longer do close air support'

(y)

[polar jasper]

You have it set to automatic reinforcement

That means that they will maintain that number of ships

No more than that number

[tacit sequoia]

Ohoho

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/s/n1pgPauto6

It has been leaked

[still forum]

will paradox ever fix this broken cores?

thats how it was supposed to be

or to show it better thats what it is now

[civic garnet]

Pdx updating and fixing their game? Thats impossible!

[visual willow]

~
add_core (state id)

[rugged plank]

because the basic airframe weighs more

[lunar folio]

Oh it's impossible if the game isn't called Stellaris or CK3

[stiff walrus]

ck3 console version: 🗿

[visual willow]

And kind of vic3

[still forum]

Should i replace devs at that point?

Something like this is unacceptable

They should be aware that while changing states it may break other nations

[visual willow]

"Unacceptable" is a bit harsh for what it is

It doesn't make the game unplayable, it's a mere slight dip

[still forum]

Especially since it's also supposed to be "finnish" path

[visual willow]

especially for how easy it is to fix atleast

For users, i mean

[still forum]

Should i make my own fromables at this point?

[visual willow]

If you want to sure

[still forum]

Another game that needs to be fixed with mods

[visual willow]

You don't even use mods to fix it???

You use extremely easy, build in commands to fix a lil oversight

[still forum]

Mod is the only permanent sollution

[visual willow]

...no the console commands definitely are permanent sollutions

[still forum]

No since i would have to repeat it over and over

While also not being supposed to fix devs job

[visual willow]

Well, yeah. Just like anything qua gameplay you tend to do it more then once...

[still forum]

So paraodox shouldnt fix bugs at this point

And leave it to me

Ok

[visual willow]

Who has told you that you shouldn't fix small oversights of the devs

[still forum]

Because it's not my work and i dont get money for it

[visual willow]

If they had to choose (which, by the looks of it, pdx does) with what to fix. A few states from formables is faaaaarrrr down from that list

States can easily be fixed by the user

[visual willow]

Well, then don't do it 🤷‍♀️

[still forum]

First fix something

Then work on something new

That's all i can say

And i dont really accept something like go and fix it yourself

[visual willow]

It's practically impossible to remove every single bug/oversight from something with more then 2 lines of code

[visual willow]

Then don't lol

And again, from all the things they should fix beforehand. This is far down that list

This is barely a nuisance

Your rambling here has costed 15 times more effort then fixing it yourself even

[still forum]

In long way no

Also they should rather fix something like this which is easier than wait until they multiply

[visual willow]

They should rather fix something users can't at all fix

[still forum]

Fixing something that users can take a lot less effort and can be fixed multiple at same time and then focus on something more serious

Other way around fixes neither

And again it's not player job to do dev job

It's not that i didnt pay for it

[visual willow]

Or first focus on that more serious thing, pdx isn't a studio with infinite time and infinite workers

[still forum]

And not that this costs so little they can barely survive from it

[visual willow]

Be realistic and look at it from a corporate position, does it really make sense to spend time, effort, and money on something which maybe 3 people will care for instead of more rampant issues or bigger changes?

[still forum]

The more i complain about something like that the bigger chance somebody will notice that and wont buy a game because of it

[visual willow]

No but it is something the player can do without effort

And if you don't want to do it and wait till the devs do it, you're free to ignore it and wait

[still forum]

It's not that it is the only bug like this and not that it shouldnt be fixed

Pay for a dlc which costs more than average game

And then fix devs bugs

[still forum]

If player can do it with no effort than devs can do so even more

[visual willow]

"A few states aren't automatically cored but you can still do it manually"
Maybe 1 person ever is put off from buying the game cause of that

[visual willow]

Yup but it still takes time they can beter focus on more important matters

[still forum]

Yeah in a map game

[visual willow]

If you care for how the map looks like, that doesn't change

[still forum]

And those more important things will add even more bugs

[visual willow]

If you put effort in playing your mal game, it doesn't matter

Cause if you put effort in playing the game, you fix it yourself

[still forum]

No i think it's pretty good reason for other people to not buy a dlc from company that dont care about ex problems and requires players to fix them

[visual willow]

Snd the most pressing of those bugs should be taken care for, and not something that can be fixed with
'
"Add_core 300"

[still forum]

If you play iron man then are you supposed also to go to game files and fix it yourself?

Devs should fix their buffs

I end it here

I see no justify to leave broken game

[visual willow]

If you play iron man you completely consent to all the shortcomings of basegame and the lack of the console to fix things

[visual willow]

Agreed, but the devs physically can't fix everything

So they should first focus on important things

And not something which is almost fluff

[still forum]

This one they certainly can

[visual willow]

And is it more important then more pressing matters?

[still forum]

A few more bugs here and there and you will be forced to play with console open whole time

And pretend you play a serious game

[visual willow]

The console is absolutely vital for any decent RP game you're playing

[still forum]

Yes fixing what is broken is more important than adding new content that will break it even more

[visual willow]

You can't interact with AI except via limiting focuses, so you need the console anyways for a proper game

[visual willow]

Agreed, and they should fix the important things first

Not "a few shitty states aren't core and i can't be assed to type 5 things in to do it myself"

[still forum]

So when will be the rest fixed then?

[visual willow]

If every big bug is fixed and every non-fixable bug is also fixed, THEN they should spend time, effort, and money on fixing this

[still forum]

Does adding cores block them from "fixing something more serious you didnt even say what?"

[visual willow]

maybe the second dev team, unless they are focused on more wasted content in SA

[visual willow]

Does pdx have limited employees and linear time?

[still forum]

First of all they should have list of bugs

And then start with the easiest that takes up to 10 minutes