latest-updates

[solid gyro]

Until America was like shipping them shit

Ditch need a bit of work

Definitely

[visual willow]

not too much

it's the netherlands, they arent gonna do much anywyas

just some polishing

[solid gyro]

Yeye

Pacifism is like really hard to remove

[paper estuary]

That is a highly debatable question
Being annexed after a referendum done under the loaded gun of Nazi Germany isn't so much of good will

[visual willow]

no reason it shouldnt be unless you go fascist

[solid gyro]

That's the problem

Even when you're fascist/communist it's still long

[visual willow]

even if the vote was legit austria would likely have accepted it anyways

[solid gyro]

And cripples any offensive thing you could do

[solid gyro]

They had insiders too

[visual willow]

i dont think it's really an invasion because they did accept to be annexed

[solid gyro]

Well it's like saying Czechoslovakia wasn't annexed

It's case of like

Support

[visual willow]

czechoslovakia was wayyy more forced then austria

[solid gyro]

But also the kinda futility of fighting

[solid gyro]

True but they didn't really fight back when Germany marched in

[visual willow]

czechoslovakia at the end of the day didnt really want it (except the sudeten germans)

austria kinda did

[solid gyro]

True

Also

Since we're on that topic

[visual willow]

theres also a difference in fighting because you dont care much and not fighting because it's utterly hopeless

[solid gyro]

I kinda wanna tweak the Event for Austria, and make it like Ausda

Aussa*

Where Slovakia declares independence and Germany has to decide what to do

Austria had the habsburgs, Two civil wars

But after 1936?

Cause like anything they do has to be 36+

not really but it can be shown as national history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Austria

Yeye, stuff tho has to be like 36+ for it to be content n shit

That's the problem

[solid gyro]

They got it

Cause alot of countries have really interesting shit

Sadly it’s small

His successor Kurt Schuschnigg maintained the ban on pro-Hitlerite activities in Austria, but was forced to resign on 11 March 1938 following a demand by Adolf Hitler for power-sharing with pro-German circles. Following Schuschnigg's resignation, German troops occupied Austria with no resistance.

But jot after 36'

[solid gyro]

Legit the only thing

[paper estuary]

One thing that I already think of is that Austria should have the Austria-Hungary path just as Hungary does
Makes total sense that it should be bilateral, I mean, both should have the kickstart option

[solid gyro]

ngl

There could be like

[solid gyro]

Germany should have a state release thing where you can go from “Unified Germany” into German Confederation

Or that you make main German State Prussia

Something like the USSR on how you release all occupied states you can make Russia

[solid gyro]

Coukd have like a civilwar tree, cause I'd assume austria was still unstable after the civilwar

[solid gyro]

True

Make it for communists, or democrats like current Germany

even Fascists for Italian or German

[paper estuary]

And monarchist

[solid gyro]

That too

[solid gyro]

It should be somewhat different, where like France it'll have a focus like "Revenge for the Bruderkreig" and "Dismantle the German State"

[solid gyro]

Yeah

exactly lol

Or maybe a focus that allows it to kinda ammex Germany as Austtia Hungary

"Austria Leads the German People"

[solid gyro]

Or decentralized it

Yeye

Southern German Confederation tree

Then Austria would need to release Hungary as a satellite

[solid gyro]

Or the 1848 German Empire

Maybe

But uhh

Think of a Bonkers Albania tree actually

That's like paired in an "Extra European States" dlc

Where Belgium, Slovakia, Albania, and Austria get focuses

Hmmmmmmm

Greater Albania tree

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Albania

Cooperative Fascist Tree

Communist Tree

Wait

King Zog had like 300 assassination attempts on him right?

Idk

that y I got the wiki lol

I can see

A Monarchist, Fascist, and Communist tree from this

Monarchist would be like the Dutch one with some extra buffs
Fascist would be more for restoring greater Albania

They would share a cooperation tree (with some differences) for Italy

Then the Communist tree would focus on revolution and heavily influence am exile tree, since partisan played the main role in Albania liberation

[visual willow]

and all of them would have pretty much nothing as you arent strong enough nor really have good enough ties with your neighbours to do anything

the netherlands plays heavily into the exiled government atleast

[solid gyro]

Easy

Buffs

Likely it'd like be a defensive bonus kind of thing

Ime Defending in the hills n such

[visual willow]

alr so you're just defending and nothing else

exciting

the netherlands atleast have the benelux to take

but albania has uhhhh

kosovo oh wait no they just get stumped by yugo

a bit off greece? oh no greece is barely pushable especially for albania

so the only tree with actual content would be becoming an italian puppet

[solid gyro]

I mean it's kinda exciting

It'd be a challenging tree

[visual willow]

defending is kinda boring

[solid gyro]

Well that's basically the Netherlands

[visual willow]

it'd be a nondoable tree

[solid gyro]

That's why I mentioned like a cooperation tree

[visual willow]

the netherlands has stuff for if they fall

[solid gyro]

And a Communist Partisan exiled tree

^^^

Yugoslavia should also get an exiled tree too actually

[visual willow]

still likely wont be that much as albania doesnt have much to begin with

albania has so little to play with

[solid gyro]

True

So it'd be like the baltics

Small tree n stuff

It'd basically a small flavour pack

Just so Albania does stuff

[visual willow]

Baltics can still do more then albania

Most comparable country is like butan and shit

[solid gyro]

Ye, but Albania has more interesting stuff going on

[visual willow]

Luxembourg

[solid gyro]

Luxembourg tree would just he cirsed

Cursed**

Devs would go wild with that one

[visual willow]

Comparable to albania 🤷‍♀️

[lunar folio]

Could they really

[visual willow]

"Demand luxembourgish belgium"
"Belgium declined! Do we wanna die declaring war on them?"

[lunar folio]

Clearly peacefully annex Germany focus because Luxembourgish is somewhat related to German

[solid gyro]

Nah

Luxembourg revives German Communism

Because a Lady had Luxembourg as her last name

[visual willow]

Bulgaria and yugoslavia are the only countries that can excuse doing that lol

[solid gyro]

Didn't

Luxembourg own part of Belgium?

[lunar folio]

Yeah
And that’s it

[paper estuary]

Bruh, for you being an exile government of the Dutch and being a speed bump as the Baltic nations is cool and praisable, but giving a resistance tree for Albania and an expanding tree for Latin American countries is boring? Come on now

[lunar folio]

You can’t compare Albania and the Netherlands

Also, most people don’t do exile government aa the Netherlands

Nor the Baltics

The difference between them is here; the Netherlands can unite the Benelux, the Baltics have their own empires to form.
Albania has… Kosovo? Maybe a little bit of Greece

[paper estuary]

Precisely, they are not comparable
One should not discard the possibility of developing a unique (even if small) national focus path for a small nation that was a victim of Italy just because a colonial and industrial power of northern Europe is "more fun"

[mystic idol]

albania could form this weird albanian-egyptian empire like in R56

[lunar folio]

It’s just not something I want Paradox to do since they are very stringent with releasing focus trees. I don’t want it taking up a slot that another country could have got

[paper estuary]

Yeah, I know
There are priorities
But no one is demanding a release date or anything for something that we just brainstorming
Focus trees like that could be developed and come out in five years for all I care, I'd totally wait

Like I said above, Scandinavia is prolly the next, as it should (the way I see it) and I will love it

[lunar folio]

I would rather have Hearts of Iron V in 5 years so we have a more advanced code base with better performance and modding

Cause by that it’s been over a decade since HOI4

[mystic idol]

they most defitnently will br because of maybe a little biesm from Paradox, since the company is sweedish

[lunar folio]

Oh yeah definitely Swedish bias that’s why they waited for 7 years

[visual willow]

I never said latin america was that boring just that they can't do much outside of south america and that ut would take too much of paradox's few resources

[lunar folio]

It’s for the better though; imagine if Sweden had a TfV style tree

[visual willow]

It is the next most important area and it has been 7 years, there is no bias at all

I do hope they have a better "meme" path if they continue the newmade pattern

Bba's pope path was a bit too much out there compared to romanov poland

[mystic idol]

alright

[lunar folio]

Blahaj tree

[mystic idol]

maybe as sweeden restore the viking traditions a meme path?

[visual willow]

Finnish tsardom sounds like a funny path to me

Romanov style so wont be too original but still

Maybe "finland is rome" meme

[lunar folio]

Why would Sweden be doing the Vikings

[visual willow]

maybe "german king cores on germany" as a slight meme

[paper estuary]

I haven't played it, but I have seen poeple having fun with the Mexico rework, and Mexico is mostly stuck to North and Central Americas

Not everything has to be world conquest, less grand objectives are fun too

[visual willow]

alr but should paradox focus on an area that can't effect the main theaters of war instead of first on those theaters?

why should brazil get a tree before romania gets an interesting and good tree?

[paper estuary]

Not at all
And I've literally expressed this a little above

[visual willow]

a more dynamic smaller objective would be better then a more stale smaller objective

[solid gyro]

Romania has an alright tree

I think though

[visual willow]

it's incredibly outdated and quite meh

[solid gyro]

Hungary should get a focus like King Micheals coup

To leave the war

And German a decision to make Hungary a puppet if this happens

[solid gyro]

I mean it can be really fun

[solid gyro]

Yeah but a cooperative tree would be fun, and as far as I know Albanian like migrated from the caucuses, so they could get a wacky couple of focuses to "Return to Our Homeland"

[solid gyro]

I also want this just so they have time to give focus trees for all nations

Ao stuff is Koch more Choatic and fun

Much*

[visual willow]

now imagine how fun it would be if the tree was actually good

[solid gyro]

Ye

But uhh, idk how they would improve it

Hard part is making it bigger means it might get longer

And more tedious

Though

[visual willow]

actual ideology paths

[solid gyro]

I firmly beleive Paradox is gonna give everyone a tree

[solid gyro]

Problem is kinda they gotta converge into one somewhat

[visual willow]

the dod have ok content till like 40 max

[visual willow]

not necessarily

[solid gyro]

King Micheals coup

[visual willow]

and it could be just a handfull of non impactfull focuses

[visual willow]

not every tree needs to be historical

what if romania went in the comintern?

what if they became absolute monarchist?

what if they became democratic and tried to saveguard the balkans instead of becoming part of the axis?.

[solid gyro]

They have that

Very bare bones

So I agree there

[visual willow]

they have literally 2 focuses to change ideology

[glad rampart]

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[solid gyro]

I mean this one

[glad rampart]

Я НЕГР

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[visual willow]

and your foreign policy tree is also garbage

[glad rampart]

Я НЕГР

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[visual willow]

the left tree is ok

[glad rampart]

Я НЕГР

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[visual willow]

but "balkan dominance" is just..... "you get it"

[solid gyro]

They should get fleshed out, but kinda before that some nations should get some basic trees

[visual willow]

is there any tree with less effort then that one

[visual willow]

eh not really

[solid gyro]

Just to spice up the Alt-Hist stuff

[visual willow]

after the nordics there really isnt much

[visual willow]

updating dod would spice up althist

the balkans are one of the most potentional rich areas

[solid gyro]

Well yeah

But I mean add to the choas

[visual willow]

and even in althist it is so barren

[visual willow]

updating dod would do that the most

[solid gyro]

Bulgaria is noce

Bulgaria is actually one of the best trees

Romania should be similar

[visual willow]

true

[solid gyro]

And possibly Yugoslavia too

[visual willow]

too bad althist ai can't really do much of bulgaria lmfao

[solid gyro]

Alt-Hist Ai can't handle itself

[visual willow]

but that is an AI problem you dont need to care of them anyways

[solid gyro]

Yeah

I'm thinking

India should get more flavor

[visual willow]

def

[solid gyro]

Kinda a "Join Japan Tree"

Same with Siam

Maybe Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador and Peru should get trees

To spice up south America

Maybe Columbia too

[visual willow]

generic SA tree with unique focuses spread around and unique brazil focus

[rocky mauve]

Greenland focus tree when

:madgenow:

[solid gyro]

Iceland focus

[solid gyro]

Argentina should get Unique focuses

Because of the post ww2 stuff

But like a chance to do it earlier

Uhh, Ecuador and Peru get a small tree

[visual willow]

ah yes, make germany loose faster to get them

[solid gyro]

And get a shared tree where they have like an Axis-Allies balance of power or influence

[solid gyro]

Maybe, or a Take back the Falklands focus

[visual willow]

"back"

[solid gyro]

They had it

For like a couple weeks

Actually

[paper estuary]

Lol

[solid gyro]

For Ecuador they could kinda do a uhh, Conservative Libereal balance of power

[visual willow]

ok so still a generic focus tree with a handfull of unique things

[solid gyro]

And for the rest it could be a struggle for "Caudilloism"

[solid gyro]

Ye, just so it makes south America do things in game

I'll be honest paradox should just hire some modders to take care of these

[paper estuary]

Brazil and Argentina disputing over Uruguay is a fun idea too

Classic one

[solid gyro]

Liek there is this amazing South America mod

That should be like made into dlc

Hell

Maybe do that April Fools Dev Diary

But make it an actual DLC

.99c Lucembourg dlc

[paper estuary]

If ever Paradox makes a dlc for South America, the indigenous movements should be a part of the Communist paths

[visual willow]

also fyi just because BOP is AN mechanic doesnt mean it should be a mechanic for every country

for real too many people keep trying to force bop in every country

[paper estuary]

I dunno if there is something like that for Mexico...

Should look into it

[solid gyro]

There isnt

But its probably better for south America tbh

[paper estuary]

Yeah, it's definitely a nice mechanic, but it doesn't have to be everywhere

[solid gyro]

Though Mayan releasable state

[paper estuary]

But there are some good ideas out there

[visual willow]

except that it really isnt THAT nice 🤷‍♀️ it's implemented quite.... meh

i feel like some mods have done something like it better and more impactfull

[solid gyro]

True, but for some nations it like really fits

[visual willow]

yeah true for some

but definitely not most

for most just regular focuses would be miles better

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[pure valve]

Mayan Formable nation

[solid gyro]

Nah, Mayan still exist

They like

Tried to form a state I beleive in 1991

So it'd be more a releasable

[pure valve]

Dam

[solid gyro]

Yeye

Also like realistically

Who would be able to form the state

[solid gyro]

Peru Bolivian Confederation

Damn

Someone should get some South American unification in it

[visual willow]

I think in their shared generic SA tree all of them would be able to unite spanish america

It would basically be like the baltics, but even less uniqueness

Or perhaps roughly the same as the baltics anyways

[lunar folio]

Eh, I think they'll probs do about the same as the Baltics. They'd anger a lot of people if they made them all identical, and I do think that's the point where it becomes missed opportunities

[visual willow]

I said multiple times they wont be 100% identical

They will just have a lot of shared stuff

And you can reflavour certain paths, like giving them different icons and flavour text for some countries

But unless they do all of SA in 1 time i don't see a point in doing them at all for pdx

They work too slowly and it's not impactfull enough unless you get nearly everyone

Otherwise i feel like the area wont even be interesting enough to really play in either

[rain pasture]

I think SA might get a tree in smth like a BFTB expansion

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[kindred beacon]

Honestly SA, barring Brazil will probably be the last area to get content

Makes no sense since none of them participated in the war beyond formally declaring war on Germany to get American diplomatic favor

European countries that stayed neutral were at least affected by it significantly and could have been invaded by the Axis

[rocky mauve]

Agree with that

[visual willow]

I don't see how participation matters if the biggest selling point of a tree is the althist

[kindred beacon]

It is but honestly, not a lot of players, especially newer ones, are going to want to trudge around in the jungles for years

[visual willow]

But if it's a dlc of ALL sa at once i could accept it after nordics

[rocky mauve]

Think its harder to justify giving them an extra when some of the most impactful countries back in Europe and Asia are still a bit iffy

Looking at you Japanese tree...

[kindred beacon]

Your only bet at fun is still going to be going fascist and taking over stuff, which is broken anyways because the US just apparently doesnt care about a fascist state in the Americans taking over other american countries

[visual willow]

Reworks are in a weird area, iirc pdx hasnt just sold a downright better dlc for the same things in other gamds

[kindred beacon]

With a lot of European countries with content, the democrat paths still have some opportunity at expansionism

[kindred beacon]

TfV needs a rework

Do what they did with Yugoslavia where DLC owners got the reworked focuses for free

[visual willow]

a SA rework sill likely change that

[rocky mauve]

It is what it is

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[visual willow]

Yugo barely changed compared to what everything really needs

Tfv, dod, wtt, and usa plus greece all need completely new trees, the UK requires heavy updating, LaR, the netherlands and turkey all need some updating

[rocky mauve]

Man Turkey is

Ouch

Some focuses are a bit silly

"Applying British oil embargos on Iraq"

I'm sure a ton of them can be cut down to 35d and be made events

What's the best tree anyways? Soviets surely?

[visual willow]

Poland

[visual willow]

Making them shorter wont fix shit

The tree needs restructuring

Straight trees simply dont work

[rocky mauve]

Poland's definitely a top one for sure yea

Love that meme about Poland having a 70 day focus for a level 1 railway you'll never use

And then 50 off map factories or 50k guns idr

Also this without NSB l0l

[polar jasper]

Aren't bulgaria and mexicos focus trees considered some of the best?

[polar jasper]

The remains of the old polish tree

Everyone forgets that France has an air and naval tree in their focus tree... those actually were imported from the og French tree if I am correct

[rocky mauve]

Mexico's focuses are amazing yea

Haven't checked Bulgaria's

Will do later

[visual willow]

I think people only like mexico because you can expand no matter what land and can technically kill one of the strongest major ingame

Haven't played them though yet but the tree doesnt like hugely flavourfull and such

[rocky mauve]

Think its a combo of that, but also how you have to deal with potential civil wars

[lunar folio]

It's no masterpiece but it ain't too shabby

[rocky mauve]

.

[analog scarab]

So, is this the set piece by which to moan about bitches, gripes, complaints and maybe get them seen? Or at least the illusion of being seen? Because holy shit can heavy cruisers please get pushed off the heavy attack combatant line.

Been embroiled in a naval battle royale for the better part of the week, and after tens of hours of smashing ships together and seeing what happens, it's empirically apparent that a large portion of what's imbalanced with naval combat at the moment is directly tied to the implementation of heavy cruisers. Contrary to popular belief, battlecruisers and battleships are, pound for pound, actually really good combatants in-game. However, the availability of heavy cruisers in the heavy attacker line means that you can have fairly competent ships at half the cost protecting your carriers instead of necessarily needing to have an actual capital ship running interdiction.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with heavy cruisers having teeth, but there's also no reason they shouldn't be found in the light attacker line. I think there's a lot that could use a rework with regards to naval combat, but this current structure at least has no basis for existing other than apathy, and its dissolution would make ship design a hell of a lot more dynamic than a pairing of heavy cruisers and carriers where no individual ship design, from the cruisers themselves down to the destroyers, actually matters so long as the carriers are effectively screened.

[pure valve]

Bro

[edgy barn]

but... the way I like to think of it is it's fine if battleships and battlecruisers aren't cost-effective and not worth building - that was the historical reality

so those big ships are a legacy that the bigger nations start with and they do absolutely matter even if it's not worth building them

or a way to think of it, the meta in terms of what would be good if you were building fleets from scratch consists of some mix of carriers, heavy and light cruisers, destroyers and subs and that's perfectly fine

the big capitals matter because they

are there at the start and you have to deal with your enemy's and make the best use of your own

[analog scarab]

The trouble isn't that boo-hoo battleships, but rather that the existence of heavy cruisers as an effective screen against battlecruisers/battleships means, more or less, that any design in the actual ship designer straight up doesn't matter. As long as you have heavy cruisers standing in the way, what modules you put on any of your other ships is largely irrelevant. The reason why you see such lengthy arguments over what modules to put on a given ship is partially down to varying levels of insight on the subject, but also because it doesn't matter. There's no "right" answer except to have carriers and make sure they're screened.

Given that there's only one way to build a carrier and that the rest of the ship designs could be established with some darts and good aim, it more or less means that the whole ship designer is a farce. There's no consequence to any of the designs, and best case you use it to make something silly like an all-AA hull, which is about the only tailor made ship that could actually be of some relevance.

And, again, it basically comes down to where heavy cruisers physically sit. I don't expect the game to be a simulation of real life, but in the game-version of how combat works, it's at its core line 1, line 2, line 3. Light attack hits the first line in order, heavy attack hits the second line in order, and then the third line is more or less untouchable due to the reliable existence of cheap heavy cruisers in the second line. It shoehorns the whole flow of battle and how you're actually able to compose fleets.

This is in stark contrast to an environment in which heavy cruisers sit in line 1 or at least something akin to line 1.5. Carriers become actually touchable, battlecruisers/battleships would still be rare on account of their cost, but would play a relevant role in battle and would have to be taken into account when composing fleets, etc.

[kindred beacon]

The Canadian focus tree needs a little work IMO, it's definitely not up to par with newer content, but regardless, I still find it bonkers that you have to choose between ending the great depression or having like no manpower

France starts out with similar modifiers and both can be dealt with through the focus tree

[visual willow]

Old trees need to be redone, we know

[regal crane]

france, germany tree need to be reworked asap

[visual willow]

"Guys guys [PRE NSB TREE] really needs a rework"

[regal crane]

i mean france is awful you can't even use devaluate the franc side it takes too much time and monarchist paths are shit

[visual willow]

Monarchy path being shit is just a hidden blessing 🙏

[stoic mist]

Italy is kind of fun. With a lot of luck and some skill, you can from Rome and core a whole bunch of land that Germany will give you in a peace deal (if you KO Britian before the USA gets involved). Admittedly, it is trickier if you aren't playing the Mussolini path, but I am sure it is doable. But, yeah. Just a really good tree that rewards good timing and whatnot.

The best bad tree is Hungary's, in my opinion. The idea of slowly reassembling Greater Hungary is a good one, in theory, but the demands just get turned down way too often. There needs to be a rework to Greater Hungary in this regard. Maybe a border conflict, spy operations, buying the land? I don't know, but changes should be made.

[stoic mist]

Amen to that! What options could France have that it does not presently have, though? Maybe something related to colonial revolts? Really not too familiar with what France was up to at this time.

As for Germany, I could see some fun options there. Maybe give it something like Italy. I believe that one thing that held Germany back on rearmament historically was its perceived need to not make its citizens do without to too great of a degree. Maybe have something there where certain focuses are locked behind war with, say, the USSR, and a war support threshold, in exchange for reduced consumer goods, additional research speed, and more factory output?

[rocky mauve]

The Franco-British union is pretty funny as a France player

Do you want to play the game as fascist
Do you want to play as historical
Or do you wanna give the British AI a massive po0o0o0o00g buff but the game ends for everyone

[visual willow]

France doesnt necessarily need more options, but everything that it has is pretty weak

Monarchist trees are the most obvious bad ones lol

But the tree itself also just has too many 70 days junk focuses

[edgy barn]

Ugh tell me about it -- after a fairly smooth first game with UK on expert difficulty I thought I'd try out France next on expert and it would only be slightly more difficult

• turns out France is a whole different level of difficulty compared to the UK, it's so crippled in so many ways

it was not a nice experience

the focus tree isn't just underpowered, it's full of traps that leads you to making subpar choices if you don't look very closely before choosing your path

I do understand PDX wanting to make sure AI France is weak enough to reliably collapse to an invasion by AI Germany, that's how it should be

[visual willow]

i wouldnt exactly say the tree itself is "under"powered but it's certainly not strong at all

but most importantly: it's just goddamn boring

70 days focuses, with not too many actually interesting things to do

and the paths are all kinda ehhh

most exciting is latin entente and little entente qua actually having things

though i bet latin entente is kinda buggy

[polar jasper]

That moment when you realize that the air and naval trees in the french focus tree are the same ones from 2016/original focus tree

You also maybe shocked that there is an air and naval tree in the french focus tree

[solid gyro]

Sex

Sex

Sex

Sex

[cerulean hatch]

Sex Is real🤯🤯🤯

[latent sandal]

What is this some sort of DLC?

[weak nacelle]

is there going to be a dlc this year

[visual willow]

Probably

[slate arch]

there already was

by blood alone

[weak nacelle]

thats was last year 💀

[weak nacelle]

i feel like they would announce it at the pdx con

[slate arch]

No way it's been over 3 months since BBA release

I feel old

[weak nacelle]

its been 4

no 5

[slate arch]

Jesus

[rocky mauve]

Love Soviets (in-game)

Get 150% base stability or 200% if at a defensive war

:pepelaugh:

Oh and 10000000% war support

[lunar folio]

I thought BBA was September which is almost half a year ago

Actually it's almost exactly half a year ago

[harsh hull]

September 27

[rain pasture]

Time for a new dlc me dunkt

[solid gyro]

bhutan strongest 💪

[winter fossil]

Is it worth buying blood alone?

[pure valve]

Yes

[pliant heron]

They'll prob start working on a new one in the summer

[weak nacelle]

but i fee l like they would annoumce it

i think we are going to get a battle for the bosforces dlc just foces trees

[dull tundra]

I'm guessing they'll announce it on June 6-7.... If they have this one year

[fresh saddle]

.

[ionic token]

Anyone got any info on the next DLC?

[visual willow]

it'll be made by paradox studios

[quasi sinew]

wow

Thanks for teh update

[harsh hull]

I heard that the next DLC might get a Steam release

But I can’t hard confirm that right now

[tepid ibex]

It will probably cost money

[rocky mauve]

Some leaks show itll also give you new content

[languid nexus]

The next hoi dlc… will be about hoi

[pure valve]

It will add something

[languid nexus]

The others didn’t why do you think it will?

[ionic token]

NO WAY!!!

[solid gyro]

It will add nothing 😈

[foggy maple]

they should add a DLC thats about nazi secrets based on the scp stuff about nazi germany like the anomalys that can buff troops like de clocka and it costs 5 Rare anomaly and 100 steel pannels with 4 compnents to make it

and more stuff

[lunar folio]

The Italians beat them to it with da Glocka

[foggy maple]

xd

[solid gyro]

They should have paths to Germany where they can have peaceful or warmongering Germany

[young oriole]

the should add a dlc that just makes the game lag

[fair lake]

Go Democratic Germany n just not do anything

[solid gyro]

meant it for fascist germany

they should also add spartacist germany or anarchist germany lol

[fair lake]

historically that’s impossible

[fair lake]

also impossible

communists were pretty much wiped out by Democratic and facist there

they even formed a coalition to do it

[solid gyro]

They had resistance back in 1940s

[fair lake]

the only way do Germany to get out of their debts

[solid gyro]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_resistance_to_Nazism

[fair lake]

was as to fo what the Germans did OTL

[fair lake]

had they not seized czech , benelux, Austrian Gold reserves , their economy would’ve collapsed

[solid gyro]

OH

and we mustn't forget about strassbourg

[fair lake]

while this is true , in 1930s when all the ideologies were battling each other , communism was not really a major contender

[solid gyro]

or whoever the guys name that did the July 20th thing

[fair lake]

July 20th Plot was Democratic

Not communist

[solid gyro]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Valkyrie

stauffenberg

i thought it was strausberg for some reason

[fair lake]

saying unternehmen valkyrie was communist is Crazy

[solid gyro]

thought germans had communist revolts

[lunar folio]

Yeah they did, although many of the communists were killed in the Spartacist Uprising. But also, communism was literally one of the three major contenders of ideologies in the 30s

They won 13% of the election in 1930

That's pretty damn major

And guess what? They were still gaining popularity, even as the Nazis grew

Granted far less, but they were

The final election they served, they had 17%, that is absolutely major

Nvm I read the wrong figure, it was 12% but that's still huge

[rocky mauve]

Ye they were sizeable

Not enough to actually be prime contenders, but enough to go 👀

Into the NSDAP getting the best excuse ever to crackdown on them with the Reichstag fire

[olive lodge]

The actions of the many do not always reflect the wishes of the few.

[languid nexus]

The actions og the few do not always reflect the wishes of the few.*

[olive lodge]

the nazis were the many, the few were the rebels

[languid nexus]

No?

[true jasper]

did they just tease a luxembourg focus tree in the new video

[weak nacelle]

Maybe We get Belgium and a German re work

[solid gyro]

Maybe

[visual willow]

It's a literal april fools video

[true jasper]

so? what if they are playing mind games

[visual willow]

Bit too much thinking into it

[true jasper]

fair enough

[visual willow]

Especially because luxembourg doesnt have any potentional except generic stuff you can already do or mutual guarentees over the benelux

[weak nacelle]

Ye but Switzerland doesn’t do anything in World War II

[visual willow]

Ok, and

Involvement in ww2 doesnt matter

[quasi sinew]

can't really say that, do you have the guts to openly oppose nazi as an average citizen?

[solid gyro]

plz add italian language in the game

inglish is ugly

[visual willow]

there is though wasnt there

[olive lodge]

That's what being a rebel is

[solid gyro]

Can't wait

For the new Guess Hoi

[visual willow]

Guess whoi

[edgy moat]

https://tenor.com/view/we-need-it-now-randy-marsh-south-park-informative-murder-porn-season17ep02-gif-19529653

[next mist]

me too!

i cant wait for another barebones game that requires 10 40$ dlcs to be remotely playable

[solid gyro]

You can play mods y'know

[next mist]

there are no mods that add the dlcs

no wait

im dumb its not hoi5

its just guess whoi

im excited

cant wait

this will beat monopoly

[solid gyro]

Yeah hut Kaiserreich adds a shit ton of content to basegame

That's like 90% of why Hou4 is popular, mods

[halcyon fern]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-stephen-colbert-applause-slow-clap-gif-17183234

Ngl, actually disgusting to release 2 horrible dlc:s and then just go silent, then go "haha, a joke for april fools" paradox is actively just trying to be horrible to follow. How hard can it be to pack finland with ussr, both of which had a massive impact opon eachothers ww2 experience, and after ignoring that just casually making italy unplayable with a 64% negative review dlc.

[slate arch]

italy isn't unplayable, and NSB isn't horrible

finland wasnt exactly a major power in WW2 and BBA has the plane designer, which i personally like

[halcyon fern]

and that's another thing, designers

Shit designer was great

Plane designer was.. ok, unnecessary but sure

Tank designer just tipped the cup, the research bloat is so bad that only the largest major factions can keep up

[gusty sable]

french manpower is totally a disaster

[split breach]

Really?

"The future of HOI4" is a Guess Who game?

[thin hinge]

Jenga too

[harsh hull]

Hearts of Iron Operation

Only instead of pulling a steak out of a man's shin

It's cleaning up Europe after a post-BBA peace deal

And I'm not talking 1.12.12, where it's a bit better

Day one release peace deal

[visual willow]

The sheer ignorance in this message is off the charts

[lunar folio]

Imagine being angry that someone is trying to make a joke

[unkempt glen]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/19uesDxkuv7URHY9kh80W6?si=8ya0hLhURW6TDrUuWcVB2w

[slate arch]

research bloat? you unlock the weapons through artillery, anti-tank and AA trees, if you aren't researching those then idk what you're doing

[solid gyro]

We also thought of making an Operation game joke with Stalin but but didn't think the effort was worth the joke 😅

[languid sentinel]

when do you think the 1.12.12 war effort diary will be dropping?

[opaque flare]

negative reviews are normal for PDX, because more than half of negativity comes down to DLC policy in general or the price point of a given DLC in particular, with "mods do it better!!" arguments and "Where's Chinese localization?!" complaints mixed in.

At this point positive reviews give much better insight into how good / bad the DLC actually is, and overall review score on steam doesn't mean anything.

[visual willow]

Also it was (rightfully so) review bombed for the terrible launch state

Not even for the dlc itself but for the update

[weak nacelle]

when hoi 5

[foggy maple]

Its already out

serch it up

[weak nacelle]

no its not lol

[true jay]

didn’t they just announce they were gonna make a scandianavian dlc?

[visual willow]

'nope

[halcyon fern]

They still haven't said anything about it and there are the ancient rumors of finland not being in it, because finland isn't part of scandinavia. Which is something I can 100% see paradox doing just so they can be annoying and proceed to say "Finland will be included with a future dlc for estonia, latvia etc. When we rework those nations in the future"

[opaque flare]

They didn’t announce anything though. PDX goes through a reshuffle with two subsidiaries closing down. I wouldn’t expect any announcements until fall.

[true jay]

finland is a nordic nation what

and it also makes no sense to exclude finland.. they made a dlc for literally SWITZERLAND of all nations

[true jay]

and also a country that died in one year (ethiopia)

[opaque flare]

Switzerland should’ve been Austria

[true jay]

no point in either or

its just ‘anchluss’ or fight back

[opaque flare]

With Switzerland it’s neither

[true jay]

but at least it would have made more sense.. rather than a nation that hasn’t fought a war since napoleon

[opaque flare]

Yep

[true jay]

What DLC’s would you guys like to see

[true jay]

they seriously need to rework the old focus trees(looking at you UK) and add a malayan one, since they didn’t even bother putting one in (in a commonwealth focused dlc lol)

[opaque flare]

I’d like them to have a revisit-style DLC : like what EU4 team is doing now

[true jay]

Id rather not.. EU4 style dlc is something i don’t want hoi4 emulating.. at all

especially for basic features..

[opaque flare]

Not in THAT sense. I want them to go and update majors in general

[true jay]

i think paradox just feels WAY too comfortable letting shit for modders rather than fixing the game themselves

[true jay]

like seriously, id rather have some hoi4 modders be in the actual dev team since they know better what this game actually plays like and what it needs

[opaque flare]

Malaya, DEI, Philippines, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Belgium are the territories on which war happened but focus trees are generic

[true jay]

absolutely this, especially for the USA and the UK

[true jay]

i think they should rework death or dishonor and add a small aussa style focus tree into the phillipines and the dutch east indies

malaya was straight up lazyness, i cannot belive paradox really released a DLC for the BRITISH COMMONWEALTH and didn’t bother including at least a dlc for malaya, but they did for new zealand..

[visual willow]

You really like bullshitting for the sake of hatig on paradox dont ya

[visual willow]

Main appeal of a tree is the althist so eh

Enough timelines where germany will let them alone or have a compromise

[visual willow]

I mean, war happened on their land =/= has enough potentional for a focus tree

After all.... what are you gonna make luxembourg do that isnt ALREADY generic

Also british malay makes no sense for a tree because... well, they just don't have much

[true jay]

they made switzerland have a dlc, at this point why not luxemburg

[visual willow]

Probs are only independent because ai will act weird otherwise

[visual willow]

Switzerland still has atleast some potentional

[true jay]

makes more sense than switzerland tho

also straight up lazyness from paradox because they made a whole ass dlc for the british commonwealth and refused to make a malayan one

[true jay]

I mean yes but a nation that hasn’t fought a conflict since napoleon has no basis on having a dlc vs a nation that flipped sides on the worlds greatest conflict (finland)

its just stupid

[visual willow]

Maybe because..... being in the war doesnt matter for a focus tree?

It is POTENTIONAL that matters

Not a checklist consisting of "was in a war recently"

[true jay]

i mean malaya has a formable and actual potential as an east asian nation.. aside from china

[true jay]

maybe something more than.. you know, new zealand?

[visual willow]

If you diss switzerland for having a tree SOLELY because of their neutrality, sweden shouldnt get one either

[true jay]

no that makes sense

while sweden was not an actual participant, they had WAY more to do rather than switzerland

additionally the entire reason norway was invaded was to maintain the swedish steel trade to germany

[visual willow]

And norweagan trade

But switzerland also had many peacefull meetups and the gold ofc

So once again, participation in the war =/= should get a tree

Also by all accounts malaysia shouldnt even be indepentent

Should british kenya get a tree?

[true jay]

it isn’t tho.. it’s a dominion of britain..

[visual willow]

It wasnt

[true jay]

not the same, a dominion =/ colony

[visual willow]

Malaysia wasnt an dominion....

New zealand was though sooo

[true jay]

i mean ingame its a dominion

in real life its a colony

[visual willow]

it isnt though

It's an integrated puppet ingame iirc

[true jay]

In game it’s a dominion? It’s a dominion ingame

or was it

maybe im misremembering

[visual willow]

No it wasnt

[true jay]

💀

[visual willow]

The dominions are.... well, dominions
The raj is an colony
And malaya is an integrated puppet

[true jay]

well regardless.. malaya should have a focus tree!

i think it should

involved nation + nation in asia other than china/warlords or japan to play + formable with the dutch east indies

[visual willow]

Well yeah, but it's not high on the list if you count trees that need reworks

[true jay]

PLUS the other nations of the commonwealth have a focus tree.. i mean even new zealand has one, why not malaya?

[visual willow]

Why not british kenya? Why not british west indies?

I'm fairly certain they where roughly on the same status level

[true jay]

that’s because.. it’s literally a british colonial administration..

additionally, it’s just a lagfest and they didn’t even have that much autonomy

[true jay]

not at all, malaya was the most profitable colony of the british aside from india, kenya is not even CLOSE to malaya

additionally malaya and the dutch east indies are the best resource heavy nations

[visual willow]

Money asside which doesn't matter much

Only thing they hage is strategic importance

For which you can argue gibralter could get a tree....

[true jay]

well yes but by this logic they should give a focus tree to malta and egypt 🗿

[visual willow]

Exactly

Though i will say, egypt has some mighty potentional

[true jay]

that’s fair, but id rather they start with the arab states, despite them having zero involvement..

i mean

[visual willow]

Iraq was couped, iran was invaded

[true jay]

id rather play as iraq and conquer arabia than just release myself as egypt..

[true jay]

i mean in the war as a whole, minor invasions to get resources doesn’t warrant adding in a focus tree

[visual willow]

ME dlc with a released egypt would be sick ig

[visual willow]

I mean if you assume historical 100% of the time we won't need trees

Just use events

[true jay]

thats true

id rather not have a luxemburg dlc

[visual willow]

Date of anschluss? Event to annex them
Date of italy joining the axis? Event to join
Etc etc

Main appeal of a tree is 100% the althist

[true jay]

but i do think they desperately need to rework alot of stuff.. especially for old trees (america althist is trash)

[visual willow]

Therefore, "involvement in the war" doesnt matter

[true jay]

i think it should at least be a decent point of concern

but with like fair gameplay thought in mind

because you know, an albanian dlc isn’t exactly what you want to try

[visual willow]

You could easily have the continuation war if finland whitepeaced soviets, and germany is at war with the soviets and pushed them to X
No tree needed

[visual willow]

Not directly

But involvement does usually come with potentional though

It's just that involvement itself isn't the factor

[true jay]

true, but i really wish for a nordic dlc

it’s the most sense to push another (inevetiable) dlc in

where else would you add dlc?

since that’s all paradox does anyways..

[visual willow]

I mean, if you count reworks

Quite a few areas

Balkans need reworks (except bulgaria)

Germany and a few neighbours need reworks/new trees

All of the qing dynesty region needs trees (except tuva lol)

[true jay]

true

The Qing tree is fine as is anyways, since the major aspiration for Puyi was to restore the Qing Dynasty anyways, the ROC could do with a civil war tree.. and the CCP is fine as is, it’s a small tree but it works for the game

[visual willow]

Everything there is heavily outdated

Ccp needs a bit more interesting and fleshed out options

Warlords all are wuite weak and could definitely get atleast SOME identity

Roc is definitely too barren

Manchuria definitely needs more options and trees for japanese government in exile

Mongolia has mad potentional

[true jay]

I mean, what could you even make them do? They are all the same thing anyway which is to ‘unite china’

[true jay]

THISSS WE NEED A MONGOL EMPIRE DECISION AT THE VERY LEAST

[visual willow]

Japan, which i'll include, is too straight and a tad boring

[true jay]

I always got so pissed they never added that

At least a decision.. i mean tanna tuva can form siberia, why can’t we form the largest empire in history

[visual willow]

Greater mongolia, mongol empire should be a romanov esque hidden memepath

[true jay]

we should also get ‘khan’ as a leader title once you take the decision, kind of how mussolini takes ‘augustus’ once you do the roman empire

[visual willow]

Continious* empire
The british one is larger

[true jay]

true but the brits are cringe

[visual willow]

A bit better warlord tree that isnt just garbage you want to rush through to get your ACTUAL tree

Also xinkiang could get a few little things

They don't need a whole ass unique tree each but a few unique focuses go a long way

Like baltics but even more closer

[true jay]

true

at least something for the ‘turkic unification’ thing

[true jay]

your forced to since you know, the japanese come for you

[visual willow]

Althist

[true jay]

they should at least reduce the diplomatic focus ones to 35 days anyways since it barely does anything

[visual willow]

And i don't mean a sovist styled tree

But like....

There isnt a singular focus that makes civs or mils iirc lol

[true jay]

actually yes, the diplomatic ones

i think if you ask the germans for help you get like one off site civ or somethin

[visual willow]

Technically doesnt make one

Cause none appear on the map

[true jay]

well its offmap.. but hey its a factory still

[quasi sinew]

nah, I find Mao cool enough already, if they have to add new trees I guess the Scandinavian nations can have a new tree, india needs a tree too

[visual willow]

The mao path is like 4 focuses and then you're done and have accomplished nothing special but cheaper guns

The other paths do almost the exact same thing but one lets you join comintern and then other lets you annex china

And i think the event to team up with the ROC always shows? Idk

[opaque flare]

Japan tree is functional but absolutely boring. I play Japan not because of the tree, but despite it

[visual willow]

Never said it didnt work

Many countries have trees that work

Whether or not they are actually good is something else

[lunar folio]

Hungary

[opaque flare]

True

What are your favorite focus trees people?

[lunar folio]

Generic Focus Tree

[visual willow]

Bulgaria

[lunar folio]

Anyways my serious answer is Italy

[opaque flare]

Mine is the Netherlands. Tons of choices, even the timing of taking one focus over the other can lead to vastly different builds, and there's tons of flavor. Also, some choices are soooo painful. Like you really wish you could take something but you can't given your path. So when you make a choice you loose something importnat, too.

[lunar folio]

Maybe USSR. Depends on my mood

Yeah, Netherlands is pretty great for being the Nerherlands

[opaque flare]

I still haven't tried Italy

[visual willow]

Wut
Many options??? Huh

It's unifying the benelux under 3 different banners

Ok, 4

[lunar folio]

It’s quite a lot for the Netherlands

[visual willow]

Plus it's a bit too much based on germany going historical

[lunar folio]

Considering they are usually a speedbump

[visual willow]

Well yeah for the netherlands it's alsmost as good as it'll be

But overall, with everything? Netherlands is to omuch holded back by being the netherlands

[quasi sinew]

in current patch? - yes

You'll always get the pop up "kai-sek was found near our boarder" in ccp runs

[visual willow]

Yeah so the mao path is.... useless at best lol

[quasi sinew]

Mao's participation was pretty nothing during ww2, he just gathered more men in his team, which you can do as well using the infiltration mechanic

[visual willow]

Would still be better if the ccp had better political paths

[quasi sinew]

It has three options already, agrarian, Social democracy and Marxist path

[elfin sage]

They're all pretty shallow though

[visual willow]

Which, again, isnt that great

Join comintern, nothing, and actual interesting path where you get china

Practically 2 paths where 1 of is actually decent

So yeah it is quite meh

[quasi sinew]

the nothing one is the coolest, you'll get mao as a leader if you follow that path, other ones changes the state leader and you won't be able to get 2 ccp achievements

[visual willow]

If the best thing about a path is "this guy is your leader".... then that path is shit

If you can't even understand that there isnt even a point in talking about focus trees cause you just dismiss them entirely

[quasi sinew]

that path gives free stability, which is important for ccp as it starts with terrible stability

[visual willow]

That's still not interesting

[quasi sinew]

don't care, that makes my run easier. I hate strikes

[brazen kraken]

Was Yugoslavian focus tree updated?

Since Together for victory

[visual willow]

well yeah, in deat hor dishoner

and like a small bit of tweaks around battle for the bosporus but the tree is still pretty eh

[slate arch]

i love yugoslavia 🤤

172 chromium in macedonia here i come

[frank vortex]

help me

why doesnt the allied speech pack get de gaulles speech

and how do i get it in game?

[prisma wing]

Because the allied speech not get De Gaulle speech

[slate arch]

the french don't deserve anything good 😉

[last ember]

[frank vortex]

Wtf

[cloud thorn]

100% you’re British

[slate arch]

what?

[frank vortex]

Can we can staff?

[slate arch]

i am

😉

[cloud thorn]

Same bro

[slate arch]

do you think im actually being serious?

[frank vortex]

That's unacceptable and I'm being attacked for it

[slate arch]

ah, a french man

uhh..

oui oui bonjour

surrender to german

[cloud thorn]

Tf

[slate arch]

im not very good in the language of french

[cloud thorn]

💀

[silk turtle]

Boom 💥 🤯

[lethal plover]

e

[solid gyro]

e

[elfin sage]

transport plane supply will get increased from 0.001 to 0.02 apparently

[visual willow]

Will it make them devent again? Or still too weak

Cause 100 of them give..... 1 supply...

[elfin sage]

got it mixed up its 0.01 now from 0.002

what did it use to be like before the nerf?

[visual willow]

No clue

[elfin sage]

"Turkey will no longer be able to ask again for investment to a country until the country has accepted the portfolio and finishes the decision to invest in Turkey." thank you

that is so annoying

[harsh hull]

- Turkey will no longer be able to ask again for investment to a country until the country has accepted the portfolio and finishes the decision to invest in Turkey.

Thank you

3-5 days before the decision finishes, they always ask for another investment

Like whoa, a bit thirsty, aren't we

[old pelican]

ok

[viscid jungle]

I assume naval meta will change a lot

[elfin sage]

Why?

[harsh hull]

- Made it harder to do the Anschluss swap exploit.

The what?

[languid sentinel]

yeah i couldnt find anything about this exploit existing 💀

also how does the open beta work? people just play the version and the data gets sent to paradox?

[solid gyro]

it's where you annex australia instead of austria

[lunar folio]

Why only Anschluss and not the others?

[visual willow]

Was it even an real issue?

[lunar folio]

Considering it's just the Anschluss, I doubt it

[languid sentinel]

they didnt want people speedrunning it

its not an issue for the other ones since you will do sudetenland etc later then you would do normally because of this patch

[solid gyro]

So how will they even change it ?

[languid sentinel]

well the previous strat with cavalry into infantry divisions wont work anymore as there is a requirement that your troops need to have some % of equipment

[solid gyro]

but you can just switch them earlier i guess ??

[languid sentinel]

More than 0% of fielded infantry equipment in stockpile or after 1 Jul, 1937

[languid sentinel]

yeah but the troops would need full equipment

instead of just being infantry divisions without any equipment

[primal hearth]

Cannot rush that sweet mefo cost reduction anymore smh

[zenith cargo]

that is the correct interpretation

[fading heath]

Hello guys, have to ask from current patch, is this a bug or what? Where is imperial integrity focus? 😮 Instead of this there is soviet related focus which is exclusive? wth?

[solid gyro]

Bri'ish

[cobalt sorrel]

This is fixed in 1.12.12beta

[fading heath]

Ahh i checked beta changelog, thanks! 🙂

[elfin sage]

https://youtu.be/GMcVmjpW-F0

[quick barn]

I still don't understand why they changed it. It's not like it was gamebreaking when you and Yugocheese back in the day.

Anyways I'd always wait for Austria to finish their industry tree.

So it'd be late 37

[elfin sage]

you can still speedrun by restricting equipment from divisons

and do anschluss third

[brazen jacinth]

the naval changes also drastically nerf destroyers yes?

🤔

[velvet shuttle]

tbh was nice for timing tech rush with 4 year plan

would be unessecarily annoying to swap it out for a diff focus

after rhineland -> tank treaty rush its nice to fill in as the 4th slot i suppose

[prisma wing]

wtf

1947

I'm in 1944

[hard imp]

mussolini isnt making shit run on time I guess

[analog scarab]

Fun fact: Guns take a while to construct. It's not even necessarily always a cost thing (though they do obviously have costs associated).

[prisma wing]

[analog scarab]

There's a reason Scharnhorst lived her whole life with essentially back-up guns, and why the only battleship started mid-war was made with spare parts.

[lunar folio]

HOI4 naval production is kinda funny, because you have Germany which can build a navy way too fast and then the USA which can build one way too slow
Although if the USA had historical production levels it would be a bit of a farce to play them

[analog scarab]

Germany's naval production only looks impressive in contrast because American players are never really incentivized to develop theirs. Rather than a slow build into the tail end of 1941, most US players try to enter the war as possible and typically say "screw" it to naval research and infrastructure.

[visual willow]

100 carriers by 45

[tawdry heath]

Starting at 8 in 1941

[lunar folio]

I was moreso talking about how it's not really a thing in HOI4 to build an entire carrier in 10 months

[brazen jacinth]

5k IC light carrier be like

[lunar folio]

I’m talking about the USS Franklin

Which was a fleet carrier

[analog scarab]

"Launch" is not the same as commissioning. Though, yes, I get what you were looking at now with the across-the-board effects of a five-dockyard limit per carrier/battleship. It'd be interesting to see something like a US focus that could increase the limit to 8 dockyards per ship or something like that. Yeah, they have the -25% production cost ship designer, but that comes with trade-offs.

Having 8 dockyards per ship wouldn't necessarily increase the overall production throughput like cost reduction would, but it would make it so that an emphasis on a specific ship would see faster completion times on a per-ship basis. Same number of ships, but able to be the focus of wartime production in a pinch.

[slim nacelle]

ur concentrated

[prisma wing]

yes

[slim nacelle]

thats why

u have no base

[prisma wing]

💀

@slim nacelleStrange because when i play soviet, i not have this problem

[slim nacelle]

cuz u go dispersed

[prisma wing]

Never with sov

[slim nacelle]

u must hCe effiency retention on research

[prisma wing]

It's just a bug i suppose

[molten vessel]

That’s crazy

[analog scarab]

Seeing as railway guns and ships don't take into account production retention or bases and instead continuously operate at maximum allowable efficiency...

[pliant warren]

As Germany, what do I do with the surface ships? I can't really find much of a reason to use them because they usually just get sunk when they are in combat

[unkempt pond]

Yo so basically it’s the end of hoi4?

No more dlcs?

[lunar folio]

What?

Not at all

[unkempt pond]

So there will be more dlcs coming out?

[lunar folio]

Yeah, there's no reason for them to stop releasing DLC for multiple reaons

That doesn't actually make sense, but you get what I mean right?

[unkempt pond]

Yes

[lunar folio]

1. A new game is far more expensive to produce than DLC
2. Paradox has set a precedent for extending games with DLC (past their expiration date, albeit)
3. Hearts of Iron IV is by far Paradox's largest game

Oh, 4. People buy the DLC even if it's shit

[unkempt pond]

I think eu4 has like hundreds of dlcs right

[lunar folio]

It's not hundreds but it's quite a hefty chunk

And only like 5 of them are positively rated

[unkempt pond]

I wonder how much my wardrobe of eu4 and hoi4 dlcs are worth

[lunar folio]

Anyways, it may be crap but at the least it isn't Sims 4

[unkempt pond]

I hope they eventually add a focus tree to almost all the important countries

If they added one to switzerland they have to add one to south america as well

[lunar folio]

I would hope so, but with the slow-pace of the development, we will probably end up in Stellaris time period by the time they do

[unkempt pond]

honestly doesn't matter that much

as long as they have something planned im good

knowing hoi4 aint gonna end imma rest in peace

[lunar folio]

Personally I'm just scared of how the future is looking for my two favourite games
HOI5 and Fallout 5 both seem at least a decade away

[unkempt pond]

it's like watching anime, if an anime has many seasons including movies and everything i can just stop watching at any time knowing there's a long way for me to still go

not a best description but i hope you get what i mean

[lunar folio]

I get ya, I just like having something new every once in a while. But like, actually mechanically and setting new

[unkempt pond]

i am genuinely curious what hoi5 and fallout 5 are gonna be about

imagine fallout 5 being set in Europe and stuff

exploring the rest of the world

[pliant warren]

What do you guys do if you're playing as Germany in terms of naval stuff?

[unkempt pond]

subs

[lunar folio]

I think it'll be hard to predict HOI5, since they need something to differentiate from HOI4

[unkempt pond]

historical way

[pliant warren]

What about the surface fleet then?

[lunar folio]

Hope and prayers are all the surface fleet needs

Basically, just use naval bombers

[unkempt pond]

dude imagine hoi5 gets released next century and it's gonna be about this era

[pliant warren]

Should I even touch the surface fleet because if I'm gonna focus on subs then what use are they?

[unkempt pond]

if I were you i wouldn't worry about getting a giant surface fleet

[lunar folio]

As for Fallout 5, I almost guarantee they'll pick America again. I just hope it's not another East Coast urban landscape

[unkempt pond]

if you are wondering how to do sea lion there's a secret trick I know about

[lunar folio]

For the surface fleet, you want something, you don't need a ton of ships, but build some ships

Because naval bombers can do a lot of heavy lifting for your navy

[pliant warren]

And what templates do I use because that's where I always struggle when it comes to fleet management

[lunar folio]

Templates?

[pliant warren]

The ship designs

[lunar folio]

Uh, check #ask-for-help-here pinned messages

Nevermind they're not on there

Just google it I guess

[unkempt pond]

man I geniunely think they should expand their lore

get more content for owb

wait are there any games covering mexico?

[lunar folio]

No

[unkempt pond]

maybe they might do that

[lunar folio]

I just really don't think they'll stray out of the USA

I want them to, no doubt

But I don't think they will

[pliant warren]

Tried multiple times

[lunar folio]

Anyways, if we wanna continue the Fallout chat we should probs go to #off-topic

[pliant warren]

Never found anything good for By Blood Alone

[unkempt pond]

yeah sure

[lunar folio]

Drop a message in #ask-for-help-here and hopefully someone can tell you

[unkempt pond]

what do you mean exactly by ship design? Like ship design similar to tank and planes or you talkin about fleet organization?

[pliant warren]

The former

[lunar folio]

As I said, drop a message in #ask-for-help-here

[solid gyro]

do you think they will patch yugostrat?

[lunar folio]

What's yugostrat

[solid gyro]

nvm

[elfin sage]

I think it's a speedrunning strat to spike world tension

[hollow lion]

Its the fastest way to cap the allies

You spike world tension so you can form a faction with Yugoslavia, then they either break into a civil war or get coupped

if they get couped (30%), you can attack them, while they are still guaranteed by France

[forest snow]

its not completely

patched

but u cant spike wt as fast anymore

[solid gyro]

ik

it takes a few months longer

do they know about yugostrat tho

[solid gyro]

"- increased supply per transport plane to 0.01 from 0.002"

how is that an increase

[lunar folio]

Do you understand how decimals work?

[harsh hull]

Consider that a full transport airwing is 100 planes

So 100 planes = 1 supply point

As opposed to before, where you needed 500 for the same result

[solid gyro]

Oh alright

[lunar folio]

Not only is that an increase it’s a 400% increase

[harsh hull]

500%, innit?

[lunar folio]

400% increase.

[harsh hull]

Wait, 400% increase, yeah

[lunar folio]

That is 500% of the original

[harsh hull]

Missed that last word somehow

Why do I even wear these glasses

[elfin sage]

I have no intuition about what 1 supply unit is

Can anyone explain

Like, is it useful or negligible

[slim nacelle]

why is game so slow

[jovial merlin]

I like the new beta with changes to Canada's TFV's focusses Alberta Coal town and Send in the zombies no longer mutually exclusive

But I dislike the other canadian focusses

70 days for a cheaper advisor, with just 10% construction cost bonus, and 70 day focus for 120 pp, while other countries get 150

70 day focus for 33% cheaper advisors and 1 research bonus

70 day focus for 1 civ

[solar yacht]

old focus tree were like that, we hope for some rework in the future for all countries but it will take time and dlcs

[visual willow]

Tbf that's fairly worth it

[jovial merlin]

I would argue that is true, however

Canada gets one of the advisors CD Howe already fairly cheap, which you have to take 70 days focus to do that

33% of 50 pp is like shaving hairs of a bald man

so yeah you take one focus for 70 days to lower the PP from 150 to 50, and unlock the guy anyway

and you have to take another focus another 70 days to lower the pp of that guy a further whopping 16 pp

The other advisors are military factory 10% buildup speed, which sucks anyway at the start since you have like 0 warsupport to go to partial mob.

stability guy, something which canada does not lack anyway

and pp guy

the rest is locked behind focusses anyway

So yeah 70 day focus for 1 research bonus and 16 pp is like nothing

[long ruin]

yeah its nice TFV is being slowly buffed. Would be nice to see an Australasia path including cores, kinda funny we can have meme countries like Byzantine or The dominion of North America

India got its manpower back which makes it pretty fine now as it can effectively be China

South Africa needs some buff but I dont think paradox wants to lessen the CK2 achievement

[jovial merlin]

But the other focusses of canada

3% commonwealth research bonus

And then another 5

Yeah lets take 140 days to get you 7% research bonus for techs already researched by other commonwealth members. South africa, british malaya and raj all have less research slots so 140 days for just a few bonusses on a few techs

Makes 0 sense

[long ruin]

In the end Canada is a legit minipowerhouse by 1941ish

[jovial merlin]

Yeah the focusses locked by war/worldtension are very good

But the focusses before that, not so much

With some exceptions

[long ruin]

for some reason NZ gets 6 research slots

meme moment

[polar jasper]

One specifically for researching the Big Bob

[white canopy]

not like NZ has much else going for them