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[velvet shuttle]

hello!

🇺🇸 👋

[hollow lion]

Isnt WW1 in one of the early HOI's?

[visual willow]

It is?

[blazing magnet]

No sadly it is not. The original Victoria and the subsequent versions covered ww1 period. you can find mods for HOI.

[lunar folio]

@hollow lion Darkest Hour, a HOI2-era spinoff, does

[hollow lion]

I thought I remembered that

Since I opened it once

[soft panther]

@lunar folio that's way too old

[civic needle]

Really happy overall with this DLC feature list. Like 1/3 of it is stuff I suggested over the last couple years.

[maiden iris]

yeah, darkest hour which was the first hearts of iron had a 2 WW1 start dates and like 3 WW2 start dates

[lunar folio]

It ws not the first Hearts of Iron

That would be Hearts of Iron

[maiden iris]

oh yeah your right but i know darkest hour had ww1 start dates

[harsh hull]

You know what, I'm just going to say it

There are a wide variety of tools for any given situation

I don't think there's one that can only be solved "by blood alone"

[soft panther]

ik

[harsh hull]

And you know what else?

I don't think you should be waking the tiger

Better to let sleeping tigers lie

[mortal thunder]

What major will be reworked next? Both uk and Germany could use a touch up

Germany+ finland and call it the winter war

Finnish war song

[delicate tangle]

I mean, Italy is the oldest major with the oldest focus tree /s

[visual willow]

UK has a decent enough tree, though the political side could take an update ofc
japan and germany are worse though

japan needs a full on rework together with the rest of china

[soft panther]

yeah probably because last time we woke something up 2 nukes were dropped so

[sinful escarp]

[lunar folio]

Really I think that there's more options than dying or being dishonourable

[prime apex]

I think there's more to man on a battleship than guns

[delicate tangle]

I believe we're in this together, for victory that is

[solid gyro]

No

I'm in this for blood,alone

[paper quest]

I’d like to take a step back

[harsh hull]

Exactly

It's not a retreat, it's advancing to future victory

[mortal thunder]

i dont think we need a major dlc to fix NF trees. we need a custodian team like stellaris just tweaking

something like how they touched up yugoslavia in bosphorus

[visual willow]

the TFV and DOD trees are so utterly garbage that they need more then tweaks

[visual willow]

yugoslav tree still sucks post rework lol

[mortal thunder]

checkoslovakia is in dire update needs

[visual willow]

most of them need full on reworks fr

WTT is ehhhh

[mortal thunder]

romania and hungary too tbh

[visual willow]

germany needs some heavy tweaks or rework, for the most played nation it has quite an meh tree

[visual willow]

those are DOD trees

[mortal thunder]

just delete the infrastructure 70 days or upgrade them being locked in a path for 1 inf is just abusive

all these 10 army xp too is a joke they should give 1 free military advisor or 35xp so u can get a spirit

[visual willow]

yeah, full on rework

making every single focus just double or triple it's effect wont solve the fact that the trees political wise also suck

they really need to be completely redone

[mortal thunder]

considering how fast modder just make an entire tree for r56 or kaiserreich u could fix each nation in 2 week if u wanted too. just make it an "official mod" to beta test without breaking achievements

political trees being bad is one thing but due to powercreeps from each update old stuff just gameplay wise is unbalanced

[visual willow]

i mean

"balkans dominance" tree for romenia is pretty busted

but it's also kinda boring and just... stupid

you can get a free hungary/bulgaria puppet

annex substantional parts of yugoslavia for free

get a slovak puppet (for free)

[mortal thunder]

do u ever do 2nd lubljiana awards or such wasting 3 70 days NF just getting a state or do u just declare war on yugoslavia

[visual willow]

and then wargoals on greece and turkey

[mortal thunder]

besides MP RP most nf are just obsolete

[visual willow]

NF?

[mortal thunder]

focus tree

[visual willow]

hows that "nf"

[mortal thunder]

this is never catching on

[visual willow]

oh, national focus

just say foucs

ok

focus

[mortal thunder]

id assume NF would be more obvious than FT

[visual willow]

not really

cause noone calls them national focuses lol

[mortal thunder]

can u people just learn to read my mind is that too much to ask

[visual willow]

yes

[mortal thunder]

i feel world tension is broken too it goes from 25-100 in like 1 month u cant do anything before 39 really

non aligned are just stuck

by the time u can declare a war england and france just guarantees whatever

or it goes to 100 and whoever ur at war with joins allies

there really should be a ai limiter to peru or iran never joins allies if ur not in axis and local wars are local

[visual willow]

they gotta split up non-aligned

make monarchies able to justify at 20 or 30%

military dictatorships are about the same time i guess

[mortal thunder]

how are military dictatorships not fascist?

or atleast have focuses that give nonaligned claims or wargoals on neigbors

[visual willow]

not all military dicatorships are exactly fascist tbf

[visual willow]

many non-aligned focus trees do have wargoals though

[mortal thunder]

portugal is so broken. all the wargoals u cant use until wt is 50%

if u have a wargoal u should be able to use it

it bothers me that collabortion is cut in half if u switch. japanese focus tree is so bad for fascist but nonaligned is great. but u lose all progress and get locked behind dumb rules

all the rules is just so dumb

[visual willow]

wtf

[visual willow]

but... you can even if WT is low

[visual willow]

yeah true

democracies too

they should be able to justify against everyone at 100%

or at the very least have a spy mission that gives them wargoals

that sounds pretty cool to have

spy mission that generates a wargoal

with less tension then justifying

[dark linden]

Does anyonone have a folder/link of Scuffed 56 V 7.0 so i can install it pls?

[mortal thunder]

play monarchis portugal rn try to use wargoals it doesnt work

claims is garbage

[visual willow]

Does it say it's because of WT or because of something else

Cause i dont have troubles with wargoals as NA countries usually

[mortal thunder]

yes because wt

u dont get an option to attack u get an option to justify on claimed state but u cant because wt isnt 40 and it jumps from 25 to 100 as soon as germany does danzig

and u cant do anything after 25 because uk guarantees

so only way to play the game is buying dlcs with focuses that give goals

unless u exploit hard and min max

which shouldnt be a requirement

[visual willow]

or.... download a mod with a focus tree

the base tree is utter shite, why would you EVER wanna play with it???

and justifying and declaring war are 2 seperate buttons sooo

[quartz bronze]

I mean you can just flip to fascist or communist and justify whenever you want.

[mortal thunder]

achievements

[visual willow]

achievments are all based on you having the focus tree

[mortal thunder]

being forced to play fascist only just to enjoy urself is bad gameplay

[visual willow]

plus you can't even get all the achievments without dlc

[mortal thunder]

communist only use is long term war or puppeting which basically is never used

if u cant mop up a war in a few weeks ur doing it wrong. most nf or meme nations is about annexing all to get cores

almost no minors have enough mills to even warrant puppeting just annex straight up

[visual willow]

then get a tree with fun gameplay

[visual willow]

puppeting makes nice borders

[mortal thunder]

so only way to enjoy the game is to play modded and never buy dlc 🙂

[visual willow]

plus like, you can still annex stuff

[visual willow]

or do get dlc cause they have gameplay features mods use

[mortal thunder]

i literally never use spies or spearhead

[visual willow]

spies are quite fun to use

they can come in handy

plus i didnt say you had to get ALL the dlc

[mortal thunder]

the game is basically always over when u try to use em. u can get like 1 tech out of someone and its rng

[visual willow]

puppet system is also usually relied on by mods, sadly

cause the puppet system is quite dated

[mortal thunder]

everything is just dated

hoi 5 now

[visual willow]

collab governments, lowering entrenchment, couping a country is sometimes fun

plus knowing what they are doing

[visual willow]

hoi5 would be worse then hoi4 is rn

[mortal thunder]

i dont see how milita is useful for italy in new dlc. its just roleplay

collabs take so much effort its never worth it

[visual willow]

roleplay is more fun then just making your country big and ugly

plus i suppose they would have their own minor benefits

[mortal thunder]

u get 50% more civs but u dont need it. u get enough manpower normal puppeting china

[visual willow]

they really dont but ok

[mortal thunder]

like no point getting collab on france or uk by the time u kill usa no need

[visual willow]

you have to go through a lot less of the US and USSR with collabs

[mortal thunder]

u need like 2 years of 10 civs just for it

[visual willow]

2 years??? yeah if you forget you had one set up

[mortal thunder]

ok true thats worth it

[visual willow]

plus the extra compliance is sometimes usefull i guess

lowering surrender rate is quite handy in MP

[mortal thunder]

its kinda not. u either need 60-75 just until u get collab or its wasted its gonna take 3 years from 30 to 80 so u need to run 2 and compliance is pointless if u puppet

[visual willow]

during the war it's usefull

[mortal thunder]

i never run out of manpower or weapons for garissons

[visual willow]

and i'm talking solely about collab missions and their effects, not collab goverment puppets

[visual willow]

you get more stuff out of it sooner

[mortal thunder]

theres only 3 scenarios u use it. on china on soviet on usa. france dies easily uk can easily be taken over fast everything else have no civs or mils

ok sure using it on germany too

they should tweak it so cost is lower for small nations. its also a problem with local recruits u can ucually only have 1 from 1 nation and ur stuck with the 3 u have i never leveled mine up even

[visual willow]

they should definitely make it so you at the least have a second spy for free imo

also you can get more from local recruitment

it just taeks a bit to recharge

[mortal thunder]

and lower the loss speed u do 1 mission that 100% network just gone

u literally never will have more as no minors join the faction enough to have 4 or 5

[visual willow]

nah if you get 1 more spy there is no need to

[mortal thunder]

it takes forever aswell planning is like 60 days then takes 90 days to complete while justifying and invading a minor is 20 days and 10pp

there should me some sort of calcuation of days (civs+mils+states+manpower) to some degree so u can use it more often on small nations aswell as soviet

currently the only ingame fix for this broken system is descisions. germany can just click a button to make puppets on norway ukraine and netherlands but no such thing for any other nation

[quartz bronze]

I mean if you feel that way then that's fine that's you. I'd disagree that it's not the only way to enjoy the game. You can always just turn off guarantees so that it doesn't happen.

[wet marten]

Yeah but that would disable achievements and that was one of their points.

[visual willow]

Yeah but doing achievments without owning the dlc is meaningless

[wet marten]

I mean for the most part. Some are still doable.

[visual willow]

Yeah but more boring, and you can't even get most or them so

[mortal thunder]

There is a difference oh hard achievements and difficult gameplay. Some vanilla stuff is just badly designed

Espionage is basically only for majors using 10 civs is easy for them using 10 civs and 2k weapons for Greece nope

[visual willow]

yeah like the ones that pretty much always end up in world conquest

[mortal thunder]

I don't mind hard achievements it's fun to challenge but when the run is ruined over some BS issue like an focus being blocked because some arbitrary rule

[visual willow]

like how you need to, for some reason, be the leader of a faction to do "Balkan Problem Solved"

so when you disband your faction cause you alreadygot cores on all your allies and join the comintern for a second, you're kinda fu*ked

cause the focus that makes a faction doesnt let you to MAKE FACTIONS AFTER

i'm probably gonna cheat that achievment back in cause it's legit bs

[mortal thunder]

Some BS thing that made me alt F4 doing a focus as any china where u need 75 opinion and it cancels on day 68 because it tricked down and auto cancels

Improving opinion auto cancels because u wine into minus pp over an event

U can't pick focus because Yunnan wasn't in your faction

U can't do Balkan federation due to Italy declare bear on Yugoslavia so fast and it's entirely rng

[visual willow]

bruh

tbf it's best to rush the balkan federation stuff

[mortal thunder]

Some achievements are just outdated like take over France as Spain before 39 with new trees being pointlessly long

I did rush it using exploiting like feedback gaming but still near impossible

Because so much changed since 1.8

U couldn't need to play a hidden broken bugmess early access YouTube version

[mortal thunder]

U lose focustree för wargoals on Baltics as Estonia if u join a faction and it's locked behind a focus to join a faction for 70 days

So joining axis early breaks it

Bypassing thing removes modifiers

I could make a list of 100 bugs that are minor but ruin the fun and makes me quit

Just uk aggressively guaranteeing everything when u have no world tension is just bs

Back in 1.5 u could take 3 minors without issue now just because blower creep it's impossible

[mortal thunder]

when does nda drop so utuber can show off

[wet marten]

Honestly that’s on you. It’s not that hard to manage that.

[potent tiger]

Agreed, just keep improving relations

[visual willow]

i wonder if we could have, for example, have nation A puppet a country, and then have nation B get resource rights from that puppet

[mortal thunder]

Will the devs expand the next DLC with army developer akin to tank and airplane. so u dont just produce 36 39 rifles. u produce a set of infantry equipment. you get to set the price and reliability. while adding extra stuff. like mortars, support tools trench spades, anti tank rifles, 50 cal support guns, sturmgevers, aid tents.
basically removing support teams and incorporating it into designing

[carmine cipher]

removing support team sound like a bad idea

[visual willow]

this is just literally what is already ingame but without support equipment i think

[soft panther]

nordic dlc doesnt rly fit with the concept of infantry

[visual willow]

And italy does with air?

[soft panther]

sort of

italy was actually decent if not good with air force

@visual willow

[delicate tangle]

fact check

no it wasn't

[soft panther]

it was

[delicate tangle]

oh sorry

[soft panther]

haha

🛫

[ornate portal]

Swdidh caroleans are rolling over in their graves

[lilac cargo]

finland fought with pretty much pure light infantry & some artillery during winter war (finland had 30 light tanks when the war started, many of which were lost in a single counteroffensive).
the norwegian front was fought with mainly (austrian) mountaineers from the german side

[swift mortar]

Italy had very high tech planes but their industry, like most things, sucked so they never built and of the high tech fighters

[lilac cargo]

finns mastered motti tactics which allowed relatively small numbers of light infantry to take on the huge soviet divisions, by cutting them into smaller slices which they could then focus on one by one
and they were forced to get creative against the armored soviet divisions leading to the creation of "molotov cocktail"

in general the nordic fronts were not mechanized, and especially finland had a tiny airforce in comparison (although they had the greatest non-german ace in the war)

so i think nordic dlc would fit a theme of infantry just fine

[soft panther]

yeah

but some of the italian plane models were better than the germans

[swift mortar]

^^^^

[soft panther]

and I'd say their air forces were the most competent out of all the branches

[dawn belfry]

I'm getting more and more apprehensive on this upcoming update, looking at the dev diaries this feels more like a Battle for the Bosphorus-type dlc rather than a major update.
Almost as if rushed, or not that many resources put into it

[soft panther]

no

I mean maybe

[remote escarp]

Do you think we will be able to have multiple puppets? (such as Italy and Germany both getting french puppet states?)

that would be cool

[soft panther]

ur

[remote escarp]

ur

[silk garden]

italian planes were shit

they were crashing all over the place

[solid gyro]

Thats really fake

Even Churchill said that the Macchi C.202 was better thsn the Spitfire

[visual willow]

BftB waant THAT rushed i feel
Just the trees where by basis poorly designes

[bright rampart]

bootleg german shit

[silk garden]

nice

[soft panther]

yeah prob because they had no oil

[delicate tangle]

they really got no Achievement ideas

[visual willow]

tbf is there really that much for ethiopia, italy, and switzerland

[soft panther]

Holy, Roman, and an Empire
As the Pope, restore Rome.

ok def a pope treee

let's go

[visual willow]

we already saw a pope tree in the italy devdairy

[soft panther]

it was a hypothesis

but not it's certain

[visual willow]

not really

we literally saw a pope path in the expended tree

[soft panther]

ok good for u

[prisma wing]

[soft panther]

💪😎

[marble crescent]

Can we please stop with the crusader king achievement I can't do it anymore

[visual willow]

crusader kings 5: as mongolia, retake all of your lost lands and then lay siege to Jerusalem

[smoky hinge]

CK6: As Brazil, restore monarchy and take jerusalem

[hazy orchid]

CK7: As Holy Roman Empire, take back the Holy land

[visual willow]

that already will be one technically

cause you need the holyland to form rome

[soft panther]

is this guy the pope

on the portrait section

[solid gyro]

no?

[soft panther]

@solid gyro hen whk

then who

Or is he like an Easter egg

anastasia

[smoky hinge]

He's an easter egg

[soft panther]

damn

@smoky hinge then who is thst guy

[smoky hinge]

How should I know?

[smoky hinge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junio_Valerio_Borghese

Naval Commander

Tried to coup the italian government in 1970

[soft panther]

@smoky hinge with what

[smoky hinge]

I have a link there dude just look at it

[soft panther]

that guy is goofy

[harsh hull]

Crusader Kings LXXXVIII

As independant Jerusalem, declare a crusade against yourself and retake Jerusalem

[agile flare]

<@&846894118219022336> scam

[lusty rampart]

👀

[fallen zenith]

We're looking into it. Thank you for the ping

[lusty rampart]

Very unfunny joke!

[harsh hull]

I hope the banner image will finally get changed after this release

I'm tired of looking at this guy and his stupid hat

What are you even pointing at, idiot

[delicate tangle]

its been different for a WHILE now

[visual willow]

you guys dont have the new one?

[delicate tangle]

not yet

probably need to restart Steam

[harsh hull]

wot

[delicate tangle]

you're 2 banners behind

[harsh hull]

I've noticed

But why though

I don't need sleep, I need answers

[delicate tangle]

i don't know

it doesn't update automatically

[solid gyro]

Bow will the Switzerland acheivment be done

Like the one where your supposed to get 5 non-onnecting states

[solid gyro]

Do you have no step back?

[harsh hull]

Yeah, have for months now

[visual willow]

puppeting?

[solid gyro]

Weird

[solid gyro]

Actually probably, I thought it meant through the alpine system

[acoustic creek]

Have they talked about the Pope path?

[solid gyro]

Very briefly in Italy 2

Might be cool of they adf a Great schism related acheivement

Now they we have the pope and the patriarch

[devout glen]

I have an idea for a vatican city focus tree. I think.

I think this is the wrong place.

[solid gyro]

Yes

Try modding

[mortal thunder]

will british have the beufield in wood? will german have stamped magnesium frames for planes giving better stats? i hope theu model the different nations strength germans had amazing engines

will sweden have a easteregg saab tunnan as modern jet?

[elfin sage]

new wood spam meta when

[craggy nexus]

I love the achievements. Slowly getting more and more unhinged.

[visual willow]

I'm guessing every nation will have (roughly) equal oppertunities with planes

[ancient merlin]

HOL UP

[visual willow]

Whatabout it

[soft panther]

Pope

[coarse arrow]

Just wondering if I as ussr naval invade Italy from Sicily and go all the way up in bba will civil war start?

Don't want to give the land to uk or germany

[visual willow]

did like NOONE read the second italian devdairy??????? We literally saw the pope path there??

[coarse arrow]

Imagine reading

[hollow lion]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-button-gif-14052615

[soft panther]

yeah we just know they exist but we dont exactly know what's in it

[glacial moth]

new hoi4 achievements revealed?

[rain forge]

San Marino needs to be a releasable nation

[solid gyro]

Japan should have a national policy tree to unite with China

[delicate tangle]

How do you think that would work

[visual willow]

Why would they just randonly "unite" with eachother

[solid gyro]

A new East Asian Axis, Japan and China, Japan's technology + China's human and natural resources. Japan and China drive colonists out of Asia

[visual willow]

That sounds like an alliance, not unification

[solid gyro]

Yeah

[solid gyro]

That makes literally zero sense. They are polar opposits in pretty much anything.

[solid gyro]

Because China was too weak at that time, it could only be invaded. If China had a certain strength, Japan would choose to cooperate with China

Totally not my point.

My point is that China and Japan are about as similar as Italy and Jupiter, aka not at all. There is a reason why the ahistorical focus is called the unthinkable option.

[solid gyro]

I don't think so, the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere is to unite East Asians, although it is dominated by Japanese, that is because China and South Korea have no power at that time.

It was the age of racism

Unite people from several regions through the same skin color

Yes, and the whole idea of the great east asia co prosperity sphere was ideological. There never was an option of equality in it.

It was imperialism, plain and simple.

At that time there were still European colonists in Asia

[lunar folio]

Well no it was kind of just Japan's region of control

Yes but also consider that much of Japan's inspiration was European colonialism inofitself

[solid gyro]

Yeah it’s never equality

[solid gyro]

Exactly, colonialism never views the colonized as equal.

At that time, the yellow race was also the object of discrimination

Because China and South Korea had no military and technological strength at that time, Japan chose to occupy and colonize

Law of the Jungle

[lunar folio]

Alright well you should probably choose a better way to call it then 'yellow race'

[solid gyro]

Sorry I said inappropriate words

[shrewd owl]

The Japanese were just another version of invaders and colonists, copied off the Europeans like said. It wasn’t like back when China was the dynasty overlord, who cared most about Japanese’s diplomatic subordination in order to fortify its on legitimacy of the Mandate of Heaven

Just because they are all in east Asia, doesn’t mean they share enough culture to “core” each other. I see at most an alliance which unites under the umbrella of Confucianism

[solid gyro]

thanks

[craggy sapphire]

thats the same as saying the germanic language group could unite

[shrewd owl]

They don’t speak the same language even, which is why I said if they were to make something, they can only really relate to the shared cultural believes

[craggy sapphire]

christian union when

as you can play the papacy in the new dlc

it would probably be possible

[shrewd owl]

Yeah like the Roman empires over and over

And I guess you could also core them then too lol

[harsh hull]

It's a fair point - if Italy can have a funny little decision to re-form the Roman Empire and get cores on most of Europe and north Africa, despite the hundreds of varieties of different ethnicities, political ethos, and racial tensions that exist today in comparison to the days of the Roman Empire

And all within the span of 12ish in-game years the game lasts

Then Japan/China should have a funny little decision to get cores on the other

[visual willow]

rome is a meme though, japan conquering china is basically what will hapen if you're japan so getting cores on it is a tad cheap

[quartz bronze]

If you own all the territory to form Rome then you've already won the game basically.

Like the only country left that would remotely threaten you would be like America or soviets.

[solid gyro]

Maybe Japan

Cause of its Navy

Or China because of the absolute hekk of Fighting in it, but China is more of a nuisance

[solid gyro]

Soviets suck because of NSB so they're a pushover

[quartz bronze]

I mean any ai country sucks.

[solid gyro]

Yeah but atleast Latewar Germany, Japan, or USA will be able to fight back

You can battleplanbthe Soviets in '38 as Poland Romania

[quiet solstice]

Assuming they didn't run out of fuel... again :>

which seems to be their usual fate

[solid gyro]

In my games they never

They always stomp whatever fleet I have

[quiet solstice]

if they manage to take over borneo they tend to be okay

[solid gyro]

(Given I was going Naval Netherlands)

[quiet solstice]

with subs you may be able to intercept any convoys they're using for imports otherwise

venezuela would be a usual suspect for that

[solid gyro]

They do in like all my games, or atleast force Borneo into a attrional stalemate

[quiet solstice]

yeah, the AI doesn't protect the ports well, but 1-2 units per port are usually enough to hold them off

[solid gyro]

Eh

With Japqn it's hell cause for some reason their animal invasions are ridiculously strong

Like even encircled they're tough to fight off

[quiet solstice]

Given how broken subs are and IIRC the Netherlands gets bonuses for them, you could go for sub 3/4 fleets and just have them sink their convoys as well as the rust buckets they use for escorts

[velvet shuttle]

dutch naval commander too for subs

is cracked

[solid gyro]

Playing an alt history Stalin

I'm going to build a Soviet Navy and kill America after I do the purges

Gonna ally with Japan

okay what should I do? like who or how should I purge

[quiet solstice]

you can use the decisions to mitigate paranoia

[hollow lion]

Follow the focuses

[quiet solstice]

generally you'd want to take the focuses that progress the purge as soon as they become available

[solid gyro]

IK that but which should I purge the most

[quiet solstice]

if in betwen those paranoia gets too high then you can use the decisions

Forge can be cancelled via agitprop (yield campaign)

inspecting the navy is fine because it does not matter early game

[soft panther]

naval

[solid gyro]

I'm everything and speed down the Paranoia focuses. But you won't be done until '37~'39

That's why Right Opposition is op,paranoia can be gone by '36

[dusty island]

I love how they made an ITALIAN focus tree, hired an ITALIAN youtuber to present the tutorials of the game, yet the officiao italian translation isn't a thing. There are mods that emulate the Italian translation but they're made with google translator...

[harsh hull]

There isn't?

Oh wow, there isn't

I always thought the localisation folder felt off, but couldn't place it until now

[visual willow]

They can't do every language

[solid gyro]

I mean how many translations do they have

Plus Italy isn't known for gaming culture

They'll make more from getting a Japanese translation than an Italian one

[lunar folio]

At the end of the day it is a company and they’re just trying to maximise profit and minimise cost while still providing a decent experience

[mortal thunder]

i think peacedeal should expand to allow research boost on tech u dont have but conqured has. so u have a rng chance of getting 50% boost to tech other nation researched. like if aus hungaru takes romania or ugoslavia get speedups on naval tech

i find it weird u wouldnt rummage their tech papers or reverse engineer stolen goods

add desicsion to reverse engineer captured equipment when u collected enough via war

mabe have a ticking % per lost tank and such during war to speed up

[visual willow]

i dont think it should be rng

[mortal thunder]

this idea is super balanced as in u have to beat someone stronger than u first. and it only benefits minors

[visual willow]

not really, someone who hasnt researched something yet would just get a free research bonus

and just making it rng sounds fundamentally bad

[lunar folio]

Yeah it could theoretically be a threshold of warscore to get a tech but really it’s just better to avoid it

[smoky hinge]

PDX snuck in an extra achievement

[solid gyro]

Lmao perfect

[solid gyro]

Yeah that would be pretty cool, historical basis too with the German rocket scientists

Operation paperclip I beleive

[mortal thunder]

indeed. but also both usa and soviet were reverse engineering burned out tanks and copying tigers and panthers

i really hope they fix the axis joint tech sharing so u dont have to waste focus time to get the 20% boost to tech as italy now

wasnt the ak47 just a reverse engineer of of the stg44

[unborn iron]

Not a copy, But they did kinda base it on it

[mortal thunder]

https://www.quora.com/I-have-often-heard-of-allies-reverse-engineering-German-equipment-in-World-War-II-Did-the-Germans-ever-copy-from-the-Allied-equipment
maybe have event popup if u shoot down italian fighters in ethiopia u cant get a tech boost to plane research

[mortal thunder]

should germany have the faction power overhaul. how big was the powerstruggle bewteen nsdap and whermacht? should there be dual struggles one in nsdap and ss and one in whermacht and okw.
should warsupport dwindle and cause descision to have volkstrum and milita in germany?

[visual willow]

Ngl giving EVERY nation a struggle of power mechanic sounds too much, and i feel like every single major should have a unique (or somewhat unique) mechanic

Kinda ruined with italy already though

[soft panther]

@visual willow japanese naval vs army balance of power sounds neat. and American Republicans vs democrats sounds fun adwell

[delicate tangle]

SU had paranoia with Stalin, Italy now has struggle of power

[mortal thunder]

americas senate is boring af and basically non existent. click button get more suppot. uk parliment doesnt exist. france powerstruggle doesnt exist. soviet have most interesting function. bulgaria is hell. germany has nothing

switzerland seems interesting

[visual willow]

bulgaria is hell
well if you havent taken a singular minute to slightly understand it, sure

the only "hell" thing about it is that it's a pp dump

america and germany needs to be reworked anyways

[wet marten]

Yeah the pp dump kinda sucks.

[visual willow]

uk and france are kinda strange though

[wet marten]

But it’s pretty engaging.

[mortal thunder]

japanese is awfully implement and pointless. u literally never need navy power. itchigo is awful but china is so weak it doesnt matter. clicking a button to get 20% mil is so obvious

[delicate tangle]

"China is so weak" ok man do it with the 40% debuffs

[wet marten]

Ichigo gives the Americans a significant amount of war support so there is a reason not to use it.

[mortal thunder]

pp dumps are at the mid to endgame not at the beggining. having to select descisions every 30 or 14 days is super annoying.

[visual willow]

oh yeah, japan also needed a rework

[visual willow]

i mean, you can take your time with those decisions

[mortal thunder]

going for it early and not waiting for the 38 free cb so u can get collab to 80 with 0 debuffs

i have done it the dumb way

[wet marten]

You can wait for a focus to cut the cost in half as well.

[mortal thunder]

i done it its not fun its just clicking 200 times and wait

[delicate tangle]

I feel like im the dumb one

for not doing Naval invasions at all

as Japan

[mortal thunder]

click button wait 14 days repeat is not a good gameplay loop

[visual willow]

that's highly likely gonna be the struggle of power too

[wet marten]

I like it. Let’s me choose who I want as my advisors, and purge the rest.

It’s interactive even if it’s a pp dump.

[soft panther]

did anyone here get the beta key for bba

I think only youtubers are getting it

[delicate tangle]

only yt'bers for now

[soft panther]

why arent they streaming it

[delicate tangle]

i don't know

ask them

a few of them already have videos published

not everything about the DLC though ofc

[soft panther]

where

[delicate tangle]

Youtube

[soft panther]

I've already watched videos about the dev diary

[delicate tangle]

try searching Hoi4 by blood alone

[mortal thunder]

search feedback exploits qa nonexistent

[soft panther]

rowrow

[smoky hinge]

Youtubers are getting it because PDX sponsors them to play it

One's I know that have it are Feedback, bittersteel and Taureor

[soft panther]

yeah and korean youtubers

[solid gyro]

Only Italy and Ethiopia I beleive

4 that I know of, and each kinda follow the same path for the nation their playing

[hollow lion]

Alextherambler got it too

[balmy heath]

ISP also got it but he was doing another video at the time and he said he’ll release one on Tuesday

[solid gyro]

sneak 100

[smoky hinge]

I figured as much, I hope it's more coop with bo

[soft panther]

people should make more vids

[solid gyro]

Alex the Rambler made one

Ah shit someone beat me to it

[solid gyro]

Bit late, since everyone will have it by then

[soft panther]

well yeah

but all 3 youtubers made pretty much an exact same video

[solid gyro]

Maybe it was the stipulations.

?*

[solid gyro]

Kinda, same ideas different paths

[soft panther]

they all went roman empire path

[solid gyro]

Only two

Plus Alex did I wrong anyway

[soft panther]

feedback played ethiopia

bro ethopia was so cursed

like 50 mil tribes

[solid gyro]

Ye Feedback and Taurer or Bittersteel I think

[soft panther]

kinda like yugoslavia

but worse

[solid gyro]

Ye

Also Rhtiopia seems op

[soft panther]

yeah

[solid gyro]

Ethiopia*

[soft panther]

i think if ethiopia is an ai then we can easily beat them

but if they are a player

oopsie

[solid gyro]

Like although they have all the debuffs mauntaon camping destroys Italy

[solid gyro]

Maybe even if you play soviets and give volunteers you can beat the Italians

[soft panther]

well even without the dlc

if one single nation sends a few volunteer divisions to ethiopia

the difficulty changes from easy to very hard

for italy

@solid gyro

they should ban expeditionary forces

[solid gyro]

Wdym

[solid gyro]

You mean volunteers?

[soft panther]

same thing

[solid gyro]

Depends on the player's skill level

[solid gyro]

Very different things in game

[soft panther]

nope

uncivilized

[solid gyro]

Expeditionary forces you need to be in a faction for

Volunteers you can send to anyone and you remain in control

[soft panther]

uncivilized

[solid gyro]

Mhm

[shrewd marsh]

Do we know what time o clock dlc releases

[fringe flint]

would show on the store page for the dlc

[fringe flint]

as for me

[mortal thunder]

i hate naval intermediates oooo 5% more light atk u get 1.6 instead of 1.5 wooooooooooooooooooow

[half sleet]

qs

[solid gyro]

1800 cest

[ocean blade]

12 PM est

I think

[solid gyro]

Ye

[half sleet]

you flicker

i hate flickers

FLICKER

[soft panther]

Goofy goofy goofy

[stuck gate]

When is blood alone released?

[smoky hinge]

2-3 hours

[stuck gate]

Thx

[velvet shuttle]

I need answers

is this just increasing reduction further?

or is a cap or something?

@plain elm ?

[fallen zenith]

its reducing the max air reduction.

[velvet shuttle]

YES

[fallen zenith]

Also don't ping Katten please.

[velvet shuttle]

so it is a cap

[fallen zenith]

I think its a max amount yea. Nor sure

[velvet shuttle]

oh well dont guess i suppose

but i hope its reducing aa effects

tired of it being S tier already

[fallen zenith]

I'm not sure

its not explained well tho

they're increasing the % of air damage you can negate i think

but also changing other things?

[velvet shuttle]

who knows ik the old stat was around 75% for maximum cas reduction factor

so idk what this is

but i swear if its a buff to AA i will inhale so much copium

[fallen zenith]

lol

[velvet shuttle]

Roach russia mains def enjoying this update

[sudden wharf]

what time does it release at?

[velvet shuttle]

bout an hour and 20 mins seemingly

[sudden wharf]

thanks

[velvet shuttle]

Idk why they would drop this so lightly and not clarify its a huge stat

[wet shore]

When's the update coming out?

[velvet shuttle]

1 hour 10 mins

seemingly

[wet shore]

ok, thx!

[quiet solstice]

I believe it's for navy

in the defines it's clustered with other navy stuff

[velvet shuttle]

Ive noticed it used for navy stats before actually

omg yeah thatd actually be an amazing change if so

ground unit aa was already op but navy aa def could use a buff

[delicate tangle]

:(

stupid update

broke all my save files

is it supposed to not show building slots?

[quiet solstice]

update adds new states and changes others so it is ipso facto not save game compatible

if you want to continue an existing game you will have to roll back via steam betas

[turbid furnace]

Guys, is there a way to add depth charges to planes? Or normal bombs will work against subs?

[humble jasper]

when next dev diary?

[gloomy otter]

besides scandinavia, what should be in the next dlc?

[quiet solstice]

Brazil unironically could use a focus tree

seeing how they actually did something in the war

[visual willow]

I'm happy if it was just loads of game fixes

[quiet solstice]

I wonder when Jose Diaz will finally have a portrait

it's missing again on Linux at least

probably a case-sensitive filesystem thing

the poor guy, every time

[gloomy otter]

I would love enviremental troops like in 56

[solid gyro]

Do you ever get the International tree back for Italy after being Locked out when you kick Mussolini or no?

Cause if you don't that kinda makes Italy a bit boring

[tidal knot]

Or you know update germanys tree

Its bad

And outdated

[lilac cargo]

and op

[zenith lagoon]

two things

1 it's pretty OP stil

2 It's nowadays the introductory focus tree for most noobs

So I think for the time being it should stay as is

[visual willow]

imo they should first update tfv and dod trees before touching germany

germany isnt anywhere near as bad as the raj, canada, and romenia

[tidal knot]

its still pretty

eh

[visual willow]

it's quite dated, but not on their level

[tidal knot]

i mean sure its op

but its just...

[wet marten]

Romania is fine. I do agree with the tfv trees though.

[visual willow]

it's not though

it's really dated

in every way really

[zenith lagoon]

Hungary ain't exceptionally good but good enoguh

Yugoslavia actually got a few extra focuses and small reworks this update

[wet marten]

I think if a tree can compete with newer ones it doesn’t need to be updated.

[visual willow]

i mean if you are reworkingthe balkans, rework them all

[zenith lagoon]

Check the patch notes

[visual willow]

they got another update, again? bruh

[zenith lagoon]

fair

[zenith lagoon]

Yeah

[visual willow]

yugoslavia, the golden child of reworks

[zenith lagoon]

I feel tfv needs the rework the most

It's too outdated and small, and they're all surprisingly strong

[visual willow]

looks quite the same

[zenith lagoon]

I mean they just either rely on the allies or take forever

[wet marten]

I think Yugoslavia is in a good place. Really only Hungary needs a major rework.

[zenith lagoon]

It's only a handful of ones and a few small buffs

[wet marten]

Czechoslovakia definitely needs a touch up.

[visual willow]

i would say dod and tvf need one equally bad

tfv are more outdated

[zenith lagoon]

tfv, then dod

[visual willow]

but dod ones are right in the middle of europe

[zenith lagoon]

Yugoslavia needs a limited size one

[zenith lagoon]

Exactly. They already get actio

[visual willow]

nah yugo is still really bad

romenia is also awfull i honestly dont see where you guys see the goodness in it

[zenith lagoon]

Tfv is sitting there forever till UK gets declared on or till your 12 billion focuses finally finish

[visual willow]

hungary is also quite bad

[zenith lagoon]

Romania is very weak, Hungary is lengthy and not amazing

[visual willow]

czechsolovakia like, barely not passes for just a default tree

[zenith lagoon]

oh yeah czechoslovakia

[wet marten]

Balkans dominance is fine, and greater Romania offers a more support play style.

[visual willow]

romenia gets very strong with their "balkan dominnance" path, but that path is stupid

free puppets and land for.... nothing?

[zenith lagoon]

Absolutely

[visual willow]

like what

[zenith lagoon]

Also you get no extra cores as romania, big sad

[tidal knot]

okey but still theres 2 paths really

for germany

[wet marten]

The army, airforce, navy side of the tree could use some changing if anything.

[visual willow]

and you choose your political ideology so awfully too as romenia

2 focuses

[tidal knot]

noone goes democratic so we can ignore that

[visual willow]

per ideology

3 if you stay non-aligned forever

like what

[zenith lagoon]

I think Germany is fine. Fight me about it, but it's really not in a need of a rework

[visual willow]

that's awfull

[wet marten]

I don’t know if that’s necessary for every country to have honestly.

It sure makes the country more fun though.

[visual willow]

tbf there isnt many cores to get for romenia

unless stuff like nation merges happen

[zenith lagoon]

ok fair

It does feel quite underpowered

[wet marten]

You can be any ideology what are you talking about?

[visual willow]

it's not yet. but once they have touched upon tfv and dod trees it starts to become quite apparent

[visual willow]

i'm talking about amount of focuses

ok, it's 3 per path and not 2

[zenith lagoon]

yeahh.....

[visual willow]

but like

this is godawfull

how can you defend this

[zenith lagoon]

Also the flexible government is cool and all, but it's such a mess and a pain

[wet marten]

You still have his majesty’s loyal government.

[visual willow]

honestly the default ideology tree is better

[zenith lagoon]

You know a focus tree is bad when that is truw

[wet marten]

No it’s not. Fascism is the only legitimate one there.

[visual willow]

the industry for romenia is quite meh too

a straight line

wow

[zenith lagoon]

Also I love how the update's been out like barely really 24 hours, and now we're talking "ok what's next"

[visual willow]

with 1 choice

where one of them literally is useless

[wet marten]

Which one is useless?

The truck one?

[visual willow]

"invite foreign motor companies"

[wet marten]

That gives you designers.

[visual willow]

yeah but that's quite meh

nothing compared to 2 free civs really

[wet marten]

Not useless.

I would say that depends.

[visual willow]

yugoslav tree is also still kinda bad

really needs some stuff for the partisans

your political tree literally is just removing your debuffs one by one

communist tree is.... quite weak and really needs at the least a pan-balkan union like bulgaria

also this focus which just automatically removes all your debuffs is stupid af lol

every single dod tree sucks

[wet marten]

Eh. I mean I think if anything they buff the evolution tree, cause the devolution one is strictly stronger for the most part.

Czechoslovakia’s doesn’t suck. I think most of the trees need an improved army and airforce branch, and a touch up for their political focuses.

Not total reworks like Italy, and the Soviets.

[visual willow]

czechsolovakia's tree is like a step away from just being an expended default tree

[wet marten]

That’s just exaggerating.

[visual willow]

i'm really not

industry tree

political chart

[wet marten]

Yeah those are some good decisions and buffs.

That’s only half the political tree.

[visual willow]

more outside political stuff

[visual willow]

it's the ideology tree

which is really awfull

[wet marten]

Not every tree needs to be huge.

[visual willow]

no

[wet marten]

It’s an early game country.

[visual willow]

but i dont want them to be atleast something

[quiet solstice]

Only if you make it one :>

[wet marten]

I think most of it comes down to the airforce and army trees being dull and research bonus focused.

[visual willow]

that's one of the problems. there is also the whole political side being nearly non-existent and boring

i dont want trees the size of italy

but i just want there to be more thought put in then "go left, become even more communist, join comintern, puppet neighbour"

[wet marten]

Eh I would say it’s just bare bones, where the focus is on the forts and building up. In the event that Germany isn’t nazi I guess they should be afforded an ahistorical route.

[wet marten]

I can agree with that.

[quiet solstice]

or spain :>

[visual willow]

spain isnt too big if we count it as 2 different countries, though that maybe be cheating

spain's problem is more that it's nearly structured like a straight line

same as turkey

[wet marten]

They both just take too long. Your choices are pretty limited by the time you get to your cool focuses. Rather than the civil war or everything before the reconfigure foreign policy and its mutually exclusive focuses.

[visual willow]

focus trees should be wide, not tall

well, decently tall

it shouldnt be a straight horizontal line of 300 focuses

[wet marten]

For the most part. If it’s too wide though it can get the same problem as if it was too tall. Kind of like France, and in some ways the Soviet Union.

[visual willow]

france doesnt have that problem as bad

france's problem is rather that it takes a godawfull amount of time to get anywhere

the soviet problem is more taht there are too many things you absolutely have to do, or are so important there is almost no way around it

you kinda HAVE to rush the purges

[quiet solstice]

For France they should at least make French Union more like the Imperial Federation

right now you're basically locked out if you play historical

bc you need to fix your manpower

some of the invest in X focuses could also be 35 days ig

[visual willow]

france's tree could use a lil bit of updating

not a full on rework

[quiet solstice]

yeah totally

[visual willow]

but just some extra focuses and changes

[wet marten]

It’s wide in the sense you have to go wide to get rid of everything. 3 research slots, victors of the Great War, disjointed government, and full employment.

[quiet solstice]

and political violence

[wet marten]

Isn’t that like tied to stability though?

[quiet solstice]

goes away >80% IIRC

but it can be hard to keep that up by the time the war starts

not a biggie though if you nabbed blum-violette in the meantime ig

[wet marten]

Yeah you can ban the party anytime I guess.

[visual willow]

rebalancing the tree slightly and just making some focuses 35 days should fix this issue enough

[wet marten]

But I think the spirit can still come back.

[wet marten]

Probably. But I’m not so sure. I think deleting some focuses might be the better idea. Some just give 5 stability.

[visual willow]

Thqt'll be part of "rebalancing"

Actually, making focusses 35 days also counts now that i think about it

[wet marten]

I mean it’s the same thing with the Soviets. Where you sacrifice your airforce for your two research slots and five year plan.

[visual willow]

I mean

71cloack tested them

[wet marten]

Just delete some focuses or turn them into 35 days.

[visual willow]

80% of the debuffs do nothing with the soviet airforce

Anyways, gtg

I'll be back on like 2 hours

[wet marten]

Most of its pretty meh. Ace generation is probably the biggest one, but accident chance might be more impactful with the air update.

[solid gyro]

I think the Conditional surrender mechanic needs to be fixed

Like it's annoying as a minor to be taken apart if your leader surrenders and you don't have the option to continue to fight

[quiet solstice]

I think that's sort of been the case with the existing system, just made more likely

it'd probably be best to just make the AI never surrender conditionally

seems like a cheese nightmare

[solid gyro]

Yeah

But like playing as Italian Ethiopia is hell

They surrendered and pretty much all of my states were liberated

And I lost 90% of my army

And cause of the dumbass mechanics am still at war

Not to day that the oeacedeals aren't good, stuff is just annoying

[quiet solstice]

but I think that bit has always been the same (participating minors immediately surrender if all majors capitulate)

it's just more likely now bc of conditional surrenders

[solid gyro]

Yeah

I think we should get the option to continue the war tho

Or leave factions midwar

A "switching sides" mechanic which allows you to either leave the war peacefully or join the other side

Mike Italy, Romania, and Bulgaria did

[quiet solstice]

laughs in Romania

[solid gyro]

And what Hungary tried to do

[quiet solstice]

yea Romania has decisions for that

flexible foreign policy or sth

[solid gyro]

Also league of nations is weird

[solid gyro]

Yeah but kinda expand it to all

[solid gyro]

Its not clear what it affects and how

[plush oracle]

No

Get a job

[soft panther]

No

Get a job

[mortal thunder]

i feel the air balance is wrong. having 8 12mm guns is not as strong as a 20mm canon. americans and uk tried having 8 guns and was basically worthless.
what made russia and germany strong was 20mm guns and the revolutionary change was bigger bullets allwoed for special fragmentation explosive incendiary rounds which ripped planes apart.
there should be specialized rounds which give 50% damage to 20mm guns. and a 20mm gun should be more air attack than 8 12mm

[lunar folio]

Ah yes time for me to make another modding project that I will never finish

[remote escarp]

agree

any good plane metas yet?

[lunar folio]

Check pins in #ask-for-help-here

[remote escarp]

ok

[lunar folio]

Thanks

But I’m actually bi not gay

[ivory hamlet]

got em

[cloud aurora]

Spedass name

Ain’t nothing wrong with going for guys

[feral raven]

A bicecle ?

[balmy chasm]

so has anyone else not been able to find the menus of ethiopia anywhere? i missed out on a ton of content i feel like idk if its a bug or what?

[lunar folio]

What do you mean ‘menus of Ethiopia’?

[balmy chasm]

in my desisions tab

[lunar folio]

If you’re talking about Balance of Power, they’re in the political menu

[balmy chasm]

oh i may have been too unsobered

[lunar folio]

Nah it’s pretty unclear. I personally had to ask as well

[glacial moth]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-pfp-shut-up-thing-pfp-anime-pfp-gif-20119426

[quasi root]

New DLC when?

[quiet solstice]

it released on Tuesday

[solid gyro]

I swear I'm not insane

Vut they added new flags for Communist England and Turkey

And I think a few other nations

I just can't find it in changelogs-

[quiet solstice]

They did

[mortal thunder]

man joining axis early removes the 10% factory output bonus. stupid bypass focus

[wet marten]

Oh I thought that was a bug. I was wondering why Britain had some communist Iran flag.

[harsh hull]

Hopefully the next few patches goes back over Ethiopia's focus times

If I wanted to play with this many 70-day focuses, I'd have just turned off BBA and used the generic tree

[soft panther]

bro said goes back over

😂😂😂

[cosmic talon]

why does france and Britain don't have irregular troop like the italian in africa ?

[soft panther]

because they are more civilized

@cosmic talon

[visual willow]

The red-white-green tricolourflag is for the rebublic of england

Considering the union jack comes from monarchy, makes sense why communists wanna remove it

[wet marten]

It does make sense.

[vestal linden]

Yeah, it's better than before but the COA is really weird

[visual willow]

Yeah... fair on that

[abstract path]

italy didn't switch sides it was a civil war

[solid gyro]

No they switched Sides, The Council of Fascism kicked Mussoloni out and sided with the allies

Mussolini taking power was more of an attempt to stop German Occupation of what was left, he didn't want to fight back and neither did those around him

Infact Mussolini himself wanted put of the war, just was too slow and afraid to do it

[abstract path]

There was only a vote of no confidence. They never sided with the allies, they just knew the status quo of the invasion couldn't stay, whether that meant joining the Alliance, a peace treaty, or new leadership we won't ever know since the council was arrested and executed before they could. It was a civil war because two governments claimed the mantle of Italy, the Italian Social Republic and the Kingdom of Italy

[visual willow]

Wasnt it also that italy first became neutral after removing the fascists from power. And then germany invaded them, while setting up a puppet government in the north

[solid gyro]

They actively ousted Mussolini from power, they kept him locked up before he was saved.
The new government basically had no resistance except for the Divisions that decided to stay with Germany, and although yes they were forced to, they did actively reach out to the allies to join.

The reason I hesitate to call it a civilwar, was because the Government Set up by the German's was merely a puppet, and not an active attempt to seize power back or resist the change by Mussoloni or any Fascist

Well sure it does qualify, it's like saying that France was I'm a a civilwar because of the Vichy Government

[solid gyro]

Nope, straight to the Allies after removing Mussolini, had no other choice

[cloud aurora]

I love this new update

Divisional officers go brrrr

It’s built for roleplay

[solid gyro]

Y'all ever had Italy have 15 different civil wars :/

[remote escarp]

when we fix peace confrences

[heavy wind]

No

[fresh cedar]

The new peace conferences is definitely a step in the right direction. I think that everything in it apart from annexation and puppeting is great.

However border gore is the worst it’s ever been, far worse than before the newest DLC. Countries just seem to be divided into 100 different pieces which logically it makes no sense. The border gore is gamebreaking now and has somewhat ruined the game for me even though I’ve logged over 4K hours and thoroughly enjoy the game.

I don’t think minor countries should really be able to annex or puppet anyone unless they got a claim to the land through a focus. And when it comes to Majors, they should have defined areas which they puppet or annex based on claims. In my few games since this most recent update, it’s very common for the Ai to divide countries into 5-10 different puppets.

[visual willow]

but what if the minor has 30% war participation?

[fresh cedar]

AI annexation needs to be better defined. It’s illogical for Bulgaria to be able to puppet the east coast USA. Even with high war participation, it should always favor a return to status quo or pre war borders. Just like what occurs in real life

If the AI was capable of installing a unified puppet country that resembles the pre war country then sure. But that’s never the case now. I wouldn’t even mind if a super event forced these things, such as the yalta conference

[visual willow]

I mean i would like it if people could only get claims and stuff but that's not feasable with the current system (where many countries dont get claims in their trees)

forcing peacedeals wont work with how many possibilities there are rn

[fresh cedar]

Doesn’t make sense for minor democracies to pursue world domination though. Which is why I said Majors should really dictate the borders (if minors lack claims). I could understand a minor fascist/monarchy taking land. But if Netherlands for example doesn’t have claims, then it shouldn’t be able to flat out annex territories . And this all only applies to AI to make a more stable and believable world ingame

Democracies in general would pursue ideological change and resource rights over annexation/puppeting

[visual willow]

this would be a horrific system for minors though

[fresh cedar]

How would that be a horrific system for minor AI?

[visual willow]

no, if you're playing as a minor

if theyc an't do anything

[fresh cedar]

I’m not saying this applies to players at all

Only AI

AI are the ones causing border gore for the most part

[visual willow]

ok, i didnt notice you where talking solely about AI

[fresh cedar]

Yeah I just want stability for AI and less border gore

I think players should absolutely be free to do whatever

[visual willow]

though ngl i think an AI system centered around claims would be great once every tree get's reworked, and some of the newer ones just a lil touch up

and then a few AI scenarios that arent too strict for "predetermined" peacedeals

[fresh cedar]

Agreed. And even these can vary per game as they’d depend on claims that already exist or are obtained through focuses. Would seriously stabilize AI I think

Could even be implemented before everyone has a tree. Would just mean many minor ai’s wouldn’t really take land.

[visual willow]

nahhh that would be strange

though a few generic options for puppet masters and such would be good

like allowing certain formables to be created and absorbed if the overlord has all the countries

[fresh cedar]

Agreed. And I don’t think it would be weird if they prioritize resource rights/ships.

For instance Brazil fought in world war 2 and didn’t really get much out of it apart from security

[olive fulcrum]

Any plan for Korean language localization?

[soft panther]

they said korean version of hoi4 is currently being developed

[harsh hull]

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[pseudo wing]

thanks for the ping, friend 👍🏻

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[misty verge]

Will south Africa get a rework ever?

[visual willow]

Hopefully

[solid gyro]

• and brazil too please *

[shrewd thunder]

THANK YOU

WE NEED SOMETHING IN SOUTH AMERICA

EITHER BRAZIL, ARGENTINA, OR COLOMBIA

[visual willow]

Brazil is the only one which could get a tree ig

The rest would be such a waste of time

Even brazil already woulf br a bit of a waste

Pdx makes like about 4 nations a year a tree and you guys want them to waste it one the least relevant countries ingame

[still arch]

isnt brazil like included in the portugese tree

the right branch

or am i wrong

but yeah SA would sure be interesting to play with focuses

[still arch]

we need a tuvinian tree just for the joke XD

[visual willow]

Not more interesting then anywhere else in the world

Especially the places where you can actually do stuff with the main fronts of the war

[still arch]

like

[visual willow]

Literally anywhere BUT the americas

With middle east being the least relevant

Asside of SA ofc

[still arch]

Belgium? Austria? Finland?

[visual willow]

Belgium doesnt really have much potentional

But finland should get a tree next dlc

And austria would be interesting too

But like no conflicts happen in SA, it did nothing in the war, there is no major war front there

The only thing it can do is send troops elsewhere

[smoky hinge]

If you've ever played Kaiserreich, its pretty much what happens in that mod

[hollow lion]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuadorian–Peruvian_War

🤓

I know, not major

[velvet shuttle]

Looks like air balance is def going to be weighted towards engines more

Although it'll cost now seemingly

I like a lot of balance patch changes for sure specially x4 weight reduction. Although it's arguably a nerf to self sealing fuel tanks as they can only really save you range now instead of allowing for better air attack by saving weight (assuming you also equipped bomb rack on your fighters)

[visual willow]

Sounds like a kinda interesting balance

[velvet shuttle]

Ironically it's how I thought to myself I'd want it balanced

So I suppose I got my wish

Makes tech rushing funky tho

Interested to see how it develops although it's obvious now that engines aren't just a tool for thrust like they seemingly were

Might consider x2 engine fighters and such

If the IC cost is justified via better combat stats

P38 lighting time

[visual willow]

Can't wair for planes to be changed again in a week though

[solid gyro]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_War

not major

[visual willow]

surely you arent dumb enough to think i was talking about outside the timescope ingame

[quiet solstice]

Didn't Peru have some kerfuffle

Or was that earlier too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuadorian–Peruvian_War

well it's not exactly WW2 lol

26 days

[visual willow]

ik but honestly, does that really require an entire focus tree?

[quiet solstice]

no lol

[visual willow]

like most of these "SA needs content!!!" posts could literally be solved by singular events and stuff

[quiet solstice]

tbf I wish the "no south america" mod was updated

it's out of date 😦

[visual willow]

belgium joins the allies in 40 or so, just make it so that brazil and all the other SA stuff join the allies near historical dates 🤷‍♀️

random irrelevant war? just 2 events!

[solid gyro]

brazil ''joined'' the allies in 42-43

but it only sent troops in 44

at the campaign in italy

[solid gyro]

mexico didn't had any war (except for ww2) but it has a entire focus tree

and one of the best in the entire game

[visual willow]

Mexico really didnt need a tree either tbf

But at the very least they directly border usa which is something

Plus hosting trotsky ig but eh

[quiet solstice]

At least it's part of MtG which adds useful trees and mechanics and not a Central American Content Pack lol

[soft panther]

hosting Trotsky is pretty goofy

lol

[craggy sapphire]

SA is better off being removed from the map for performance reasons

mexico also is kinda mid ngl

you basically play "Oops! All civil war!" for the early game to become another hungary for the allies

except you dont get land

and you are poor

[lofty vector]

You do get land

Central america

[craggy sapphire]

Realistically I should say Finland and Belgum need new trees and Czechia and Germany need reworks

[lofty vector]

And some states of usa if you betray the allies

[craggy sapphire]

Germany should get some debuffs

[visual willow]

Belgium doesnt need a tree fr

It would just be lesser netherlands

[craggy sapphire]

lol
you will acquire 1 civ

and 2k manpower

[craggy sapphire]

EXACTLY

[visual willow]

Depemds on how they tackle germany, if germany gets weaker then the MP balance would be kinda wack

[lofty vector]

Belgium should be removed from the game, instead put in some water

[craggy sapphire]

superiority dutch complex initiating

[visual willow]

Honestly germany rework + major rebalance would be great

Otherwise, germany-(czecho)slovakia-austria

[craggy sapphire]

they should especially rework the thing where being at war for an eternity is a-okay for any axis power

[lofty vector]

Looking at the early Mexican industry I would say that it's good enough

You have like 8civs

[craggy sapphire]

not worth the effort lmao

central america shouldnt be on the map

[lofty vector]

Why? You literally took over Central America in less than a month

[visual willow]

Compared to mexico central america can't even defend themselves, barely if united

[lofty vector]

Also cores in the usa

[visual willow]

Anywaye mexico wouldve been fine without tree actually

Still rather them then brazil

[lofty vector]

True

We need a Marshall Islands tree though

[craggy sapphire]

the optimal Hoi4 map

performance would finally be good

[lofty vector]

Ngl currently performace is better than nsb