hoi4-general

[terse skiff]

super heavy is 500 radius, so it's actually similar to one air one in europe

[fair horizon]

One of their destroyer designs is alright though

[terse skiff]

like 4 is enough to cover the barb frontline

and one for sweden/finland and one for maybe italy

[cosmic halo]

oh yeah i know, i usually comprise my tasks pretty much half of destroyers

this genuinely works wonders

[azure walrus]

i dont get the vichy hate IN HOI4

like

[cosmic halo]

fascist

[fair horizon]

One carrier 🥀

[azure walrus]

i meant in hoi4

[cosmic halo]

still my reasoning

i very much dislike fascism in hoi4 too

i dont know why

[fair horizon]

Also thats probably not enough screens either

Depending on screening bonus

[cosmic halo]

fr? its already more than half the task

[fair horizon]

Might just barely fit the bill

[cosmic halo]

well

[vital cove]

throwing factories into the trash = bad

[fair horizon]

Its like 1:3 without modifiers

[cosmic halo]

i did build 70 extra destroyers

[azure walrus]

you get them back tho

[fair horizon]

And heavy cruisers are counted as line ships

[azure walrus]

like just ask

[cosmic halo]

might as well use them

[cosmic halo]

honestly i build it this way outta fun, not really entirely outta stats

[vital cove]

no?

[cosmic halo]

but it does work

[vital cove]

you don't

[cosmic halo]

so i use it anyway

[vital cove]

you should 3 collab france

anyways

you're just losing free eco

[terse skiff]

heavy cruisers are capitals

bb, bc, ca are capitals

[azure walrus]

never has germany refused me to end the occupation

idk what you mean (about not getting factories back)

[untold cove]

we gift the fatherland with a victory

[vital cove]

huh wdym

[fair horizon]

I mean thats fine but if your screening % isnt enough you get your capitals torpedoed

[azure walrus]

whenever i ask to end the occupation as vichy, they accept

[vital cove]

you mean playing as vichy france?

[azure walrus]

yes

[vital cove]

oh

that's completely different

[azure walrus]

whoops

[vital cove]

i was talking about making Vichy as Germany

[cosmic halo]

honestly never even lost a single battleship with this setup, at worst a light cruiser

[cosmic halo]

but just incase i did boost it up to 50 destroyers

[azure walrus]

ohh, mb, wasnt clear enough

[fair horizon]

If you get fleet protector on your admiral and pick the correct screens option you can get it down to 1:2 on screens

[cosmic halo]

i mean i am russia in peace time so im prolly just gonna spam and keep it at 50

[silk fern]

i like how the focus trees remain even if you deimperialize the americas

[cosmic halo]

im sorry is the conferate being led by indians?

[fair horizon]

I mean they're still america

Also i like how hoi4 uses the right confederate flag

[cosmic halo]

i've just realized i literally beat the entirety of the axis without doctrines except for just grand battleplanning

nothing else

brave man

[safe wing]

The Indian territory did support the CSA in real life

[cosmic halo]

wait what they did?

[safe wing]

Yeah

[terse skiff]

not really

the lakota just saw it as an opportunity to get more autonomy

and they were crushed

[safe wing]

That’s what I meant

[terse skiff]

more lakota men were hanged than the confederates

[dusky burrow]

because this one uses the same tag tbh

[terse skiff]

that was like the big stain on Lincoln's presidency

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[cosmic halo]

i feel like most presidents had a stain like that, also i was gonna say except my goat teddy, but christ i quickly searched that man did NOT like the indians😭

my god i did not know this mans otherside😭

[terse skiff]

well unfortunately everyone has their flaws

[safe wing]

Hottake the Aztecs kinda got what the deserved

[terse skiff]

fdr was horrible on anti-lynching and he oversaw redlining

[safe wing]

Given how everyone hated them

[terse skiff]

it's not a hottake, it's a dumb take

[cosmic halo]

yeah

[safe wing]

They were killing 40k people a year

[cosmic halo]

we know brotha

[safe wing]

To appease their gods

[cosmic halo]

they were not good

[azure walrus]

i thought it was the suspension of habeas corpus, and also the fact that he would prioritize saving the union over emancipating the slaves

[silk fern]

the oklahoma natives did, but thats not really representative of all natives

[azure walrus]

but yeah thats much worse (not sarcastic)

[terse skiff]

and how many did the spanish kill every year to please their gods?

[safe wing]

Shut up lefitst

[cosmic halo]

real take, germany lost the day they declared war on poland

[safe wing]

Agreed

[safe wing]

They weren’t sacrificing people to their gods

[terse skiff]

what do you think proslethizing was?

[cosmic halo]

i wouldnt go as far as saying they werent

there is always a few people out there sacrificing for god

[azure walrus]

wouldnt that mean they never lost, since they never Declared War officially

[terse skiff]

also the spanish engaged in way more cannibalism than the native tribes in carib did

[cosmic halo]

my god, thats why i speak german then

[terse skiff]

cuz columbus was truly the worst even among conquistadors

[cosmic halo]

we live in a fake world

[safe wing]

wtf is this is history your reading

It sounds fake

[cosmic halo]

honestly i wouldnt put it behind us europeans to not have done that

[terse skiff]

cuz you're an idiot

[cosmic halo]

theres a reason why theres literally no mummies left

https://tenor.com/view/he-ate-them-youtube-thumbnail-fnaf-gif-17172391705264831213

[terse skiff]

cannibalism was common among sailors

[cosmic halo]

and among the aristocracy

[safe wing]

Uh no

I have taken history colleges class

[cosmic halo]

european aristocracy when seeing a mummy in the 17th century

[cosmic halo]

musta been on the nicer parts then

[safe wing]

Don’t care

[fair horizon]

Imo it was the day they started attacking american boats on our coast

[cosmic halo]

technically japan started

[fair horizon]

No germany was attacking american shipping before pearl harbor

[terse skiff]

real take, germany lost the day they declared war on the hussites

[safe wing]

How much do you like the USSR

[azure walrus]

"you're stupid" "no you're stupid" "nuh uh" "errr" "err" ahh devolution

[terse skiff]

how stupid are you

[cosmic halo]

theres three cardinal sins, idolatry, murder, and messing with americas boats

[safe wing]

I think it was tied for the worst country in human history

The other being Nazi germany

[azure walrus]

unrelated, focus on the spanish cannibal sailors

[terse skiff]

to not know that cannibalism was common on the sea until modern industry

[cosmic halo]

we all know soviet russia was a terrible place brother

[safe wing]

Yeah because people were desperate

[cosmic halo]

its like thinking the tiger 1 was a good tank

[safe wing]

That tank was ass

[cosmic halo]

or the tiger 2, or god, even worse the jagdtiger just because they were semi effective

[safe wing]

At being a stationary bunker

And I guess wasting Germany oil reserves

[cosmic halo]

i'd say mediocre, they were really effective in battle, as well as pschological warfare, btu they did have insane mechical problems

plus later stages the tiger 1 was at least somewhat reliable

not to a good degree, but enough that you could drive more than a meter

[safe wing]

Still too little too late

[cosmic halo]

nah the tiger 1 was pretty early

[fair horizon]

The p47 was more reliable than the tiger was ngl

[safe wing]

I meant the late versions

[lost dawn]

Turkey bros

[safe wing]

1350 Tiger tanks were not going to change the war compared to 50k Sherman’s and 80k t-34s

[cosmic halo]

did come out the same time the tigers started seeing combat so not really

[fair horizon]

American air power alone beat them

[cosmic halo]

i mean yeah, no shit, but its sure gonna take a fair few with them

[cosmic halo]

yeah true, damn p51's

[safe wing]

Still not enough

[cosmic halo]

who's saying im saying its enough

the tiger had like a kd of 12, 1350 times 12, aint 50k

werent even enough to take down all the shermans

[safe wing]

Unrelated I just dislike how people defending the USSR (tankies) aren’t as reviled as Neo Nazis

[azure walrus]

how do i stop syria and lebanon from breaking away when i become vichy

[fair horizon]

You dont

[cosmic halo]

theres not that many defending the ussr, honestly i'd say theres more defending germany than russia in ww2

[willow cliff]

yo how long do the multiplayer games usually last

[safe wing]

Wdym there’s whole subs dedicated to glaizing the USSR on Reddit

[cosmic halo]

go deeper theres more for germany

and they tend to be more messed up than the ones who are misinformed

[safe wing]

I wouldn’t say the USSR ones are misinformed

[cosmic halo]

they are, anyone who actually read what happened in soviet russia would also start acting like they were as bad as nazi germany

[safe wing]

They are both equally bad imo

[untold cove]

modern tank or modern spg?

[safe wing]

End of discussion

[cosmic halo]

i still see neo nazis kill people, ive yet to see a ussr glazer do that

[safe wing]

I read one tried to bomb an event

[lost dawn]

Hopefully a 1942 Roman Empire 🙏

[cosmic halo]

yes one, thats not that much compared to the thousands of nazis

[terse skiff]

Neither

[untold cove]

wut

[terse skiff]

1938 chassis is the best chassis because the best ability is availability

[untold cove]

i literally conquered 3 continents, i have no problems with industry

[safe wing]

True

But it still doesn’t make them good

[cosmic halo]

no one is saying they are

[safe wing]

They should both be discriminated against

Equally

[terse skiff]

1943 then

[cosmic halo]

nope, the soviet glazers are just naive, the german glazers know what they are for

[safe wing]

What about the ones supporting modern Russia then

[cosmic halo]

the same as the soviet glazers

[lament creek]

FL violence is super common from what i heard, so i mean of course you're going to hear this.

[cosmic halo]

FL?

[safe wing]

It is

[lament creek]

far left radical left wtv the americans call it

[safe wing]

Yeah they are extremely violent in the Philippines

[cosmic halo]

oh, as far as im aware the far left tends to be a bit closer to the cowardly side, at least in the western hemisphere

far right on the other hand....

we got dudes like tecak

[safe wing]

The far left are more cowardly opportunists as I see them

[vivid juniper]

Happy hungarian noise

[safe wing]

Wait a minute so was Lenin before he took over Russia

[terse skiff]

Ussr was a failed experiment towards future and the Nazis wanted to return to the feudal ages the level of criticism towards the two governments should not be equal

[willow cliff]

ahem

[safe wing]

That’s a stupid take Lenin wanted power

[terse skiff]

Russia was a monarchy before him

[safe wing]

The real heros of the Russian revolution were the Febuary ones

[cosmic halo]

most of em are actually fairly good people, with bad world views

cant say the same for the far right

[safe wing]

Tell that too the ones who mentally abused me

[terse skiff]

And the city workers hated Kerensky

The Russian army was collapsing harder

[cosmic halo]

tell the same to the ones who explained to me what communism, anarchism was and so on

[terse skiff]

I mean people who think Nazis and soviets are the same do deserve to be laughed at

[safe wing]

Fair

[terse skiff]

I don't like telling people to read theory but you should read

[cosmic halo]

i genuinely though anarchism was entirely lawless, turns out nah, it does have laws

[untold cove]

how can i remove someone from my faction? i cant kick them manually

[safe wing]

They aren’t but they are similar in methods of oppression

KGB and gestapo were the worst

[terse skiff]

Lmao KGB was way lighter than the gestapo

[lament creek]

i mean a tent of big hate?

[safe wing]

No they weren’t

[terse skiff]

Uh yes they were?

[safe wing]

How they still killed people

[terse skiff]

Unless you were there during the purges it was much better to be under nkvd/kgb

[cosmic halo]

oh yeah, big time, everytime some knobhead joins a server im apart of, well lets say they join out of spite and send unpleasant videos, and nasty comments

[safe wing]

Brutally too

[lament creek]

is third position still under far right or

[terse skiff]

And even during the purges a lot of ppl supported it because higher ups getting purged means they get early promotions

[safe wing]

Yes

[lament creek]

i see

[terse skiff]

The third position is fascism in modern politics

[cosmic halo]

don't know tbh, i still go under all the info i learnt before i kinda went unpolitical

[terse skiff]

Liberalism, socialism, and then fascism

[safe wing]

We need a 4th position

[lament creek]

im trying to not get too political like that on my path of islam

[safe wing]

But I don’t know who should create it or what it should be

[lament creek]

that'd jus be like

trotkiysm iwl

lol

[cosmic halo]

is the 4th supposed to be facism plus or??

[safe wing]

Trotskyism is socialism though

[safe wing]

No not that I’m aware

[lapis snow]

says the person with the Jingwei profile. lmao
the mods are gonna get you

[cosmic halo]

thats valid, i went to stop when i became a skinhead, was nice, but now im feeling conflicted

[lament creek]

oh shit thats bannable?

my fault

my fault

i'll change it

[terse skiff]

He's the quisling of china

[lament creek]

i'll change it

[safe wing]

I was a former tankie

[lapis snow]

literally R4

[cosmic halo]

OH WAIT THATS A OLD LEADER I THOUGHT IT WAS A KPOP SINGER LMAOOOOOOO

[terse skiff]

Tankies are communist cosplayers who can't even pick up a book

[lament creek]

?

[safe wing]

Who was abused and taken advantage of by so called “freinds”

[terse skiff]

Why would a kpop singer be in black and white photos

[lament creek]

u didnt know he was in charge of RGROC?

[cosmic halo]

i thought your pfp was some kpop singer, not some old protrait of a dude😭

[lament creek]

well

his term was short

tho

[azure walrus]

i thought it applied to leaders after ww2

[lament creek]

since dude died

lol

[cosmic halo]

nah i did i just didnt look at the pic lollllll

[safe wing]

I still dislike communism for failing to try to strive what it became and betraying its own cause

[lapis snow]

naw, I got a temp for having ataturk on my old acc

[lament creek]

good riddance he died tho

actual spineless kmt

[cosmic halo]

opinion on APFSDS against APDS?

my boy chiang would never🙏

[safe wing]

I don’t know who they were I was 16 at the time

[cosmic halo]

im sorry, tankie as in tanker in the army?

or whats a tankie then

[safe wing]

No as in Stalinist supporter

[cosmic halo]

ohhhhhhhhhh

[lament creek]

going to subjugate myself to one day in twgr's server

[terse skiff]

Tankies are diehard ussr/China supporters

[lament creek]

wonder whaht happens

[terse skiff]

And they also support moder Russia and post-Mao China for some reason

[cosmic halo]

LMAOO i was gonna ask your opinion on sabots after you said you used to be a stalinist😭

[lament creek]

a stalinist?

oh dear god

[lapis snow]

the term comes from making apologia for the ussr rolling tanks into hungary and czecholslovakia, then later again with china and the square

[lament creek]

i mean of course ur going to say communism "failed"

we talm abt the big S himself

[safe wing]

I’m well aware which is why I hate them with every inch of my fiber

[cosmic halo]

oh damn thats makes actually perfect sense jesus

[safe wing]

I have another personal reason I hate them

[cosmic halo]

what square, i don't know anything about any square👀

[lapis snow]

they're some of the most brain-dead contrarian useful idiots in the world

[lament creek]

was a maoist at one point in my life

never again

[safe wing]

But it would violate a rule and it would make me angry in a berserk manner that rule we already broke btw

[cosmic halo]

oh im aware, at least the modern communists are just naive but well intentioned, stalinists are pretty much as bad as nazis

[safe wing]

You and me both

[cosmic halo]

brother casually supported the one man who killed more people than hitler

[azure walrus]

to play devil

[cosmic halo]

may cry?

[azure walrus]

yes

tuff game

[cosmic halo]

peak

[azure walrus]

i really should

[safe wing]

Sorry if I got worked up

[azure walrus]

ive seen some stuff about it and it looks peak

[safe wing]

I’m sleep deprived

Haven’t slept in my bed in a week because of company

[cosmic halo]

it does tho, the one micheal jackson dance got my dyin

[safe wing]

Still doesn’t excuse me being a jerk

[terse skiff]

Have you tried uh touching grass

[safe wing]

I take walks outside almost everyday

[lament creek]

"hitler or stalin"

[safe wing]

Like I have walked 10 miles multiple times

[cosmic halo]

realest stuff ever posted

[safe wing]

Like it’s routine

[safe wing]

Based

[terse skiff]

That's insane

Stalin for all his faults is still much better than Hitler

[safe wing]

Hoi4 is nothing more than a addictive bad game to me

[terse skiff]

Unless you're talking about hoi4 buffs from the inner circle

[cosmic halo]

maybe, but it is like choosing between the devil and another devil

i mean i'd rather move country

[lament creek]

yea, we'd rather move to kampuchea 😂

[safe wing]

Not by much

[cosmic halo]

screw that, denmark here i come

[cosmic halo]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[azure walrus]

pol pot's cambodia is much better, in a communist country like it im sure i would be able to get glasses for free

[cosmic halo]

dont know about that

[lament creek]

idk much abt pol pot's thought

so

[untold cove]

so we built some planes

[lament creek]

ye

[terse skiff]

Uh no? Stalin never had extermination camps

[cosmic halo]

dude was literally going to wipe out every slav for his precious lebenraums

[terse skiff]

That's nazi apologia

[cosmic halo]

and probably every colored

[safe wing]

Then what about the fact he deported every Crimean tartar

[cosmic halo]

except for political opponents lol

[terse skiff]

No, most purge victims were rehabilitated

[cosmic halo]

oh didnt know that

[terse skiff]

The purge deaths are remembered because a death is more memorable than a demotion

[cosmic halo]

the more you know

[safe wing]

Yeah Stalin was still a thug

[terse skiff]

I mean rokossovsky was the most famous purge victim that got demoted and then rehabilitated

Too bad the good Soviet generals all suck in game

[safe wing]

After all his teeth got pulled out

By the nkvd

[lament creek]

i would've survived

im ngl

[terse skiff]

Still beats being a black man in USA or a Bengali under Churchill

[lament creek]

#LmkHowLongI'dSurviveFor

[cosmic halo]

oh god bengal

[safe wing]

Same because I have the power of hindsight

[cosmic halo]

same, but only because i don't live in either places

[safe wing]

I’m gonna play Skyrim

Hoi4 is just so bland now

[lament creek]

ya'll think i would survive as a trans-woman in prime soviet union compared to my living condition tday?

#lmk

[cosmic halo]

hell or super hell

take your pick

[safe wing]

Honestly no the USSR would probably send you to a gulag for being to western (during stalins time if we are talking 1936)

[lament creek]

lol prime ussr had to have SOME protection

[cosmic halo]

oh fr?

[lament creek]

what abt the universal suffrage!

[cosmic halo]

usa 0 - soviet union 1

[lament creek]

oh

dang

didnt know they were genuinely built like that LOL

[safe wing]

You could still survive if you learn how to survive in a gulag

[cosmic halo]

nah he wouldnt, being trans was an even bigger death sentence in the west than the east

so it'd probably be viewed like being gay

[lament creek]

"survive in purgatory"

[safe wing]

Find Reznov

Simple

[cosmic halo]

real

[lament creek]

same thing nazi germany said

lol

[cosmic halo]

what'd they say?

[lament creek]

being trans was similiar to what u said

being homosexual

which was compared to judaism

[cosmic halo]

oh im a genius

[safe wing]

This will never not be not funny to me The HRE despite being a absolute mess was the thousand year reich

Somehow

[cosmic halo]

benjamin netanyahu, making opps gay every day

[safe wing]

Think about it

[cosmic halo]

we are well aware of the hre thank you

[safe wing]

The HRE lasted from the 800s to the 1800s

[cosmic halo]

we know how much is sucked and somehow existed

[lament creek]

from what i heard the gay rights in israel were jus propaganda so like

the big yahu could get more ppl on his side

might be wrong

[safe wing]

The pathetic third Reich lasted 12 years

[azure walrus]

vichy game #3

[safe wing]

Why are you playing Vichy

[lament creek]

pathetic is a very

[azure walrus]

lets go!

[lament creek]

nice way to put it

[safe wing]

Napoleon is better

[cosmic halo]

youre probably left alone in israel if youre a jew, if not, sniped

[lament creek]

vichy starts with

most of ur stuff anyway

[azure walrus]

makes the debuffs go away

[safe wing]

Vichy doesn’t exist in 1936?

[azure walrus]

also weakens germany

[lament creek]

no i meant

whenever he plays it

[atomic grove]

u get 0 advisors

[lament creek]

you continue off with most of ur stuff anyways

[safe wing]

Oh yeah I need more context

[atomic grove]

not even any army advisors either

[azure walrus]

erm actually you get a few

[safe wing]

Napoleon is better long term

[atomic grove]

its barely any

[lament creek]

free france has the whole GIE stuff

[azure walrus]

i got weygand and the other army/navy/air xp ppl while playing

[lament creek]

annoying as hell

free france is honestly not that fun without that one dlc with the spies

[safe wing]

Weygand served Vichy France thats why

[lament creek]

i dont have that so idk what its called

lol.

[azure walrus]

la resistance

[lament creek]

oh

[atomic grove]

u still get barely any

[safe wing]

France needs to be reworked

[lament creek]

yea no im islam they

gg

would've been wraps there

[atomic grove]

i usually only play vichy for that albion achievement

[azure walrus]

i mean do i really need more? i get a weekly stability guy, one xp guy per category

[safe wing]

Like the bourbons and orleans have no content

[cosmic halo]

im sorry, we aren't at war mr america, go away

[azure walrus]

cant you get that with "normal" (inferior) fascist france

[atomic grove]

im pretty sure normal france gets more

[atomic grove]

yes

[lament creek]

idk im some trans girl from virginia dont ask me i just heard it was straight propaganda in islam-talking spaces

[atomic grove]

but u can also get it with vichy

because its technically still fascist france

[safe wing]

the fascists are just the basic support Shitler vs opppse Shitler stuff and the communist stuff is 70 days crap

[lament creek]

hell to

even

make more troops

not even from the armstice army debuff its just

[safe wing]

That’s realistic though

[atomic grove]

yeah

[lament creek]

germany has most of your factories

[atomic grove]

its paths dont even have that much content

[lament creek]

and algers has nothing

[azure walrus]

lowkey im playing vichy in ironman for this reason

[safe wing]

France was having a demographic crisis before wwii

And before WWI even

[atomic grove]

hell, the monarchist path just has only a few focuses and i think all of those r just stability buffs

the last time i checked

[trim venture]

i js got the lion that roared achievement

[atomic grove]

fair

[safe wing]

The orelaisnt path is so poorly portrayed

Like it should be more authoritarian as action Franscie supports them

Not constitutional monarchy

[lament creek]

alr alr

[terse skiff]

I just want to be able to not have to draw a line in crimea

[lament creek]

i'll play a bad mod like rt56

✌️

[restive sable]

only fun french path is the napoleonic one

[lament creek]

and bring the kaiser back

[atomic grove]

the napoleonic path also just has wargoals except for that last focus

[azure walrus]

theres some fun stuff to do as bourbon france

[safe wing]

Bourbon France should have claims or cores on Sicily and southern Italy

[lament creek]

rt56 has cool superevents i just wish the gameplay wasnt so

[atomic grove]

disuniting germany is kind of a debuff because it just releases puppets which could screw up ur current puppet germany that u prob have reperations and resource rights on

[lament creek]

generic

[azure walrus]

speaking of which, yk rt56 germany got a rework

[lament creek]

when was it reworked

its been awhile

[safe wing]

And the fact that none of the monarchist France paths doent get war goals on Canada or the USA

[restive sable]

i think there should be a theme to french monarchist paths as in "reinstate continental hegemony" no matter whether you're napoleonic or bourbon

[lament creek]

take back louisiana

LOL

oh yea and eastern canada

[safe wing]

Bourbon and Napoelonic should get war goals and maybe some formable

[lament creek]

woops

[safe wing]

Louisiana was huge

[atomic grove]

napoleonic already has wargoals

[terse skiff]

france tree was made in 2018 so it's very outdated

[atomic grove]

but the thing is it only has wargoals and that last focus

[lament creek]

what was its size at its peak

[atomic grove]

nothing else

not even cores

[azure walrus]

this year february i think

[lament creek]

they dont teach me ts in virginia mb

[azure walrus]

very recent

[lament creek]

lol

god

[safe wing]

2020 *

[lament creek]

we really dun butched that up here

LOL

[azure walrus]

the entire alt history tree is different

[terse skiff]

no 2019-2020 was bosphorus

[restive sable]

this isn't even everything france had control over in the americas

[azure walrus]

its lwk so good

[safe wing]

La resistance came out in February 2020

[terse skiff]

2018 - 2019 was la resistance

[azure walrus]

i played totalitarian canaris, it was fun

[lament creek]

oh wait i did try to

[lament creek]

get die linke into powe but holy

heck

its like i cant for some reason

at best i can get SPD into power

[safe wing]

@terse skiff

[weary orchid]

please guys help me

uruguay is atack my country

[terse skiff]

never knew that

i played hoi4 after la resistance was released

[safe wing]

Fair

[lament creek]

yo

[atomic grove]

how

[lament creek]

i actually got worried for a second

😭

[safe wing]

I first played after man the guns was released but didn’t get my first dlc until December of 2019

[lament creek]

i thought smth else popped off irl

[azure walrus]

greater urugualy 🥹

[atomic grove]

how r u losing to uruguay as brazil

[azure walrus]

let it have the land

they deserve it

[weary orchid]

I started the war, but I am brutally losing

help

[safe wing]

If Uruguay attacked Brazil they would lose like Paraguay in the war of the triple alliance

Also why on earth would Uruguay even attack Brazil

[weary orchid]

I attack

[safe wing]

Uruguay is easy to kill

In hoi4

[weary orchid]

is not easy

😭

[safe wing]

It is when your at my skill level

Like Brazil is the poster child of minor nation powercreep in this game

Same could be said for Chile and Argentina too

[weary orchid]

ok, but how i derrot this country?

[safe wing]

Templates

[weary orchid]

what

[safe wing]

Your division templates

[weary orchid]

???

what is this

[azure walrus]

should i do the right side or rush to end the occupation

[safe wing]

End occupation

ASAP

[restive sable]

bro it's uruguay

[azure walrus]

ok

[weary orchid]

help

i am new in this game

[azure walrus]

petain finna show hitler whos boss 🔥 🪓 🇫🇷

[safe wing]

this

you want this

[vital cove]

remove engineers

[safe wing]

click this button

[vital cove]

they're bad

[safe wing]

IK i'm showing him how to access templates

also he's brazil

[vital cove]

oh I didn't read context lol

[cosmic halo]

no

THIS is what the big man wants

[safe wing]

Line artillery in the big 26

are you insane

[cosmic halo]

gotta get soft attack somehow

[weary orchid]

okk

[cosmic halo]

the stats dont lie

[safe wing]

you don't have enough guns

[weary orchid]

@safe wing

[safe wing]

you are training too many divs

[weary orchid]

this is not good?

[safe wing]

and you should always be researching

[cosmic halo]

not good

[safe wing]

no its bad

like really really bad

[cosmic halo]

its like telling soldiers to run at enemy machine guns

[safe wing]

I would watch a youtube tutorial

[cosmic halo]

cause they dont got no gun

[weary orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497138658592423937/1310497492810334248/rage.gif

oh my god

[cosmic halo]

brother dont worry i was there too

[safe wing]

don't worry I remember when I invaded Poland for the first time

[cosmic halo]

i got my ass wiped as germany against the netherlands

first ever game

dw it can happen

[safe wing]

same but Poland for me

[cosmic halo]

polands fair

but the NETHERLANDS?

[safe wing]

and in first Soviet game I died to Estonia

[weary orchid]

oh, ok ok

[wet flicker]

new dlc for czech is actually fun

[upbeat tundra]

reverse anchluss

[cosmic halo]

totally not a broken focus tree

[upbeat tundra]

still not worth 9 dollars imo

[safe wing]

I found it average but made worse by the fact if was for one country

[weary orchid]

lol hahah

[wet flicker]

makes the old method to form austria-hungary completely obsolete but still so fun

[wet flicker]

true

[safe wing]

it would have been better if they included Romania and Yugoslavia

[wet flicker]

i guess its worth it for those spread sheet guys

[safe wing]

a little entente DLC

[wet flicker]

if you dont follow a guide for czech then you better know how to spread sheet good asf for this country now

[wet flicker]

facts

[cosmic halo]

i forgot base game hoi4 ends jan 1 1949

[wet flicker]

hungary, romania and yugoslavia included with czechoslovakia

[cosmic halo]

i am very annoyed now

[upbeat tundra]

rt56 boutta be this mans dream

[safe wing]

reminds me of my EU4 Byzanitne campaign were I ran out of time and was a few provinces away from restoring Rome

[wet flicker]

when does it end if you have all dlc

[restive sable]

would've been nice but at the same time if it means more countries will get more content at a faster rate then im all for the idea of focus packs

[wet flicker]

wait for when the game gets to 1949 then i cant play further even with all dlc?

wtf bro

i was gonna do a world conquest

[restive sable]

you can

[wet flicker]

oh ok bet

[safe wing]

download road to 56 or play end of the new begining

if you want more time

[wet flicker]

i did my first world conquest on rt56 germany

[vital cove]

or y'know

[wet flicker]

but whene i had no dlc

[cosmic halo]

oh i love rt56, the problem for me is late game it gets wayyyyyy too laggy

[vital cove]

just click continue

and keep playing

[wet flicker]

rt56 is such a well made mod

[cosmic halo]

also i realized i can click continue

[wet flicker]

i swear

[cosmic halo]

fr tho

[safe wing]

and if I wasn't a procrasinator I would make that 1919-1949 mod

[wet flicker]

if you dont have dlc then rt56 is so clutch to have

[safe wing]

this would be to ambitious though

[upbeat tundra]

vanilla + literally

[azure walrus]

what if you could take your country on a longer path... like a road, to somewhere around (19) '56

[wet flicker]

i wanna try it again now that i have all dlc

[safe wing]

but a 1919 mod start date would be fun

[wet flicker]

so true

[azure walrus]

rise of nations has one

its really mid tho (imo)

[safe wing]

Russian civil war, chinese warlords, german internal strife

[wet flicker]

1919 start date with 1919 technology, limitations and overall military strength tho

not just 1919 start date

[safe wing]

Hungary fighting all its neighbors

Polish Soviet war

[honest glacier]

the great war mod was decent before they removed the alt paths

[upbeat tundra]

for chinese warlords theres one mod thats the peak of that (imo)

[safe wing]

think of all the history paths a 1919 mod would have

[safe wing]

imagine if you could decide if Versallis is more harsh or lenenaint

as the UK

[upbeat tundra]

for roc there should be a corruption meter

like stalins paranoia

[limpid field]

1938

[safe wing]

I like the 278 BC start date in the rome 2 mod Divide Et impera

[upbeat tundra]

its autumn begonia: under the auspicious cloud

peak balkan china mod

[restive sable]

i really wish there was a good interwar period mod out there

so much possibility

[safe wing]

its disgustingly beautiful

[upbeat tundra]

we need this as a hoi4 base option

[safe wing]

I remember that

[safe wing]

should have had this put into the game too as its an unused asset from NSB

[restive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[safe wing]

tsar stalin easter egg path

[upbeat tundra]

reminds me of that one meme which is like

[wet flicker]

i have a fire poland save

sationalist poland

[safe wing]

similar to Adam Hilt and Adolfus Kommenos

[restive sable]

paradox please add this and my life is yours

[upbeat tundra]

"eastern european mfs when someone remotely mentions their country (list of top ten alcholics per capita)"

[restive sable]

i've seen that before

[upbeat tundra]

and its like a guy saying krakozia

[wet flicker]

half way capitualated germany but soviets are right on ass

[upbeat tundra]

u shoula released belarus and ukraine as puppets

[hoary glen]

ccp history

[wet flicker]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

you're right

kinda pisses me off to think i could've done that now

wow

[upbeat tundra]

LOL

[hoary glen]

go back

[upbeat tundra]

so cooked

[restive sable]

second and third are from the same game

[weary glen]

Can someone help me in #ask-for-help-here

Sorry

[restive sable]

got the achievement for having both germany and russia in your faction

[upbeat tundra]

a UNIFIED china in hoi4?

ive never seen that before

[restive sable]

quite weird

for some reason japan wanted mecklenberg in that game

[upbeat tundra]

its usually always japan wins

[azure walrus]

what is the point of this

[upbeat tundra]

its accurate

[azure walrus]

what i meant was, whats the difference between subtracting from base stability and adding a national spirit

[upbeat tundra]

it could be something u can get rid of idk

[weary glen]

France isn't allowed to be fun

Civil war speedrun

[upbeat tundra]

WAIT A MINUTE HOW DO REICHKOMSIARRIATS EXIST IF NAZI GERMANY IS GONE

[restive sable]

idk that's just the name it gave my russian puppet

or one of my russian puppets

i had two i dont remember how that happened

but it was funny

[weary glen]

How did bro perfectly spell reichskomasarriats?

[restive sable]

"I love Russia so much I'd prefer to see two of them."

• some polish politician probably

[upbeat tundra]

i had to do a research paper on reichkommisarriats

[weary glen]

Neat

Favorite one?

[upbeat tundra]

uhhhhhhhh

thats hard

uhh

[restive sable]

are people supposed to have a favorite reichkommisarriat

[upbeat tundra]

ostland

either reichskommisarriat ostland or niederlande

[restive sable]

belgien-nordfrankreich cause it has a long name and that's funny

[weary glen]

Thats the Baltic right?

[weary glen]

Same

Or the proposed one in Kazakhstan

[upbeat tundra]

ostland is baltic

[azure walrus]

glad to see my historical game going historical as always

[mystic nest]

Does anyone have a good paratrooper template and a good anti-sub destroyer template?

[azure walrus]

whyd the middle east fold so fast

[upbeat tundra]

slawg using a hoi4 photo for wikipedia is wild

[weary glen]

Holy peak

Wikipedia is a hoi4-pilled peakmaxer confirmed

[restive sable]

going ahistorical causes the ai to go ahistorical

[azure walrus]

axis lwk cooking up a storm today

[upbeat tundra]

italy NOT being incompetent?

are my eyes correct?

[azure walrus]

ok well not really because turkey is also in the axis

[patent thistle]

its not that italy isnt incompetent here, its just that the UK is even more incompetent then italy due to being hard coded to not invest much into egypt

[upbeat tundra]

why lol

[patent thistle]

ask the devs, if i could guess, its so italy doesnt get curb stomped in a few months

[upbeat tundra]

idk whenever i ally italy it seems that way

they get crushed in a few months and i need to help em

[patent thistle]

number one reason why i never call them in

[azure walrus]

can i do a fascist coup in free france

[upbeat tundra]

yes

[willow gull]

why would you

[upbeat tundra]

oh also they love to argue over territory

"rome was once a dream"

[azure walrus]

if im not at war with them, will i unify instantly

or do i have to wait for them to be at peace as well

[upbeat tundra]

btw why does pieere laval always just remove like the whole french army

like its 10 divs garrisonnning the north

[patent thistle]

wait wait wait, WHAT-? (battle for seelow heights)

[azure walrus]

if you want something done right, debrouillez-vous

[upbeat tundra]

click y e s

[pliant ginkgo]

W Spanish Civil War? I’ve been clinging onto Madrid since 1938

[upbeat tundra]

what year?

[azure walrus]

time to crush thorez

[patent thistle]

my situation aint even great lol i definetly take that free win

[azure walrus]

1938

[upbeat tundra]

holy

[upbeat tundra]

how many pixels are there exactly?

[patent thistle]

(and i just want to end it at this point its f***ing march 1948 in the 1945 start date)

[azure walrus]

hitler, did petain give you some of his dementia as a snack? im already in the axis

[patent thistle]

-_-

[upbeat tundra]

why did the us even surrender?

u knock out their fleet?

[upbeat tundra]

hol on u dont need to answer that i can just count them

1909 x 1004

[patent thistle]

i sunk their fleet with like +500-600 ships, took pearl harbor and the panama channel

[upbeat tundra]

that hell is that screen

1909 1004

[azure walrus]

igb

[upbeat tundra]

its france bro

its prolly like

"viva la communisition"

[azure walrus]

which lets me get more for myself and less for germany

[patent thistle]

its 1920 x 1080, i am just on low grafics settings so my laptop doesnt turn into a thermo-nuclear bomb

[azure walrus]

i was justifying on them, this joining feels like a personal attack

[upbeat tundra]

lemme guess

u didnt turn on full scale rendering

[mystic nest]

Anyone got a paratrooper template??

[upbeat tundra]

prolly align

[patent thistle]

yep. because when i do my CPU instantly heats up from like the usual 70* to 80-90

[azure walrus]

its even funnier the 2nd time

[upbeat tundra]

why not get an fps map

[patent thistle]

i always forget lol.

[upbeat tundra]

also 70 DEGREES?

AS A NORMAL TEMP?

[patent thistle]

well. usually its 60 or so

i overcounted it here

[upbeat tundra]

60?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2404689961

also

fps map

[patent thistle]

ye 60 even sometimes 50 (depends on the game honestly)

[upbeat tundra]

mgiht be time to repaste ur laptop

[patent thistle]

"maybe" lol-

[upbeat tundra]

get some like arctic mx-6

or ptm7950

[azure walrus]

"forced into hidding"

[terse skiff]

why do you need a network in tahiti

[patent thistle]

i aint touching shit there tho even tho my laptop is easily repairable i aint trusting my super shaky hands there

[azure walrus]

free france

i was gonna fascist coup them

[shell sorrel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rdr2-red-dead-remption-2--k01KRMMS4SS6FVVPM5XMG3TN480

[azure walrus]

they got guaranteed by brits, i have 15 divisions, is it worth it

[upbeat tundra]

take it to a shop to get it repasted

they have ptm7950

usually

[upbeat tundra]

ehhhh

yk what would be fun?

being able to have a decision that builds kowloon walled city

[azure walrus]

i COULD take the wargoal and do nothing for it until i absolutely have to

[upbeat tundra]

and its like + 30000 mp

[upbeat tundra]

maybe

[serene relic]

yo dudes, I'm such a complete and utter IDIOT. After countless tutorials and gameplays and such, I still don't know how to play this damn game. Does anyone think they have the patience to hop on a voice channel later and attempt to teach the unteachable how to play ts???

[upbeat tundra]

tutorials dont give any insight

easiest way to learn imo is just to hop in a co-op game with friends and learn by observing

[heavy vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438336466362171433/1504131952087662612/G_KcUGxWQAE1LZM.gif

[serene relic]

tried that already...

[upbeat tundra]

im speaking to you before monday

[serene relic]

I just need some educated dude to run me through stuff

[upbeat tundra]

well what do you not understand?

[heavy vigil]

make mils

research

produce stuff

equip your guys

[upbeat tundra]

easiest army is just mass mob

[heavy vigil]

left click bubble to see battle

[serene relic]

ok lets see

logistics stuff

garrisons and compliance

uhh

[upbeat tundra]

supply hub

[azure walrus]

aggressive better right?

[upbeat tundra]

supply hub = ur divs gunna have a fun time

[serene relic]

yay

[upbeat tundra]

no supply hub = ur divs are gunna run outta food

[serene relic]

sad

[opal nymph]

Solved through keeping your equipment stockpiles up

[upbeat tundra]

u need trains to supply the supply hubs

and a rail network to link the supply hubs

[serene relic]

so spam mils on guns, trains, trucks, so on

[upbeat tundra]

research war austerity trains and put 1 mil on it

[opal nymph]

You only need like 2 mils on trains, if that

[serene relic]

veeery good

[opal nymph]

You dont even need austerity trains

[serene relic]

as for division designing?

[upbeat tundra]

its cheaper

[opal nymph]

Air is king in this game

[opal nymph]

I'm not wasting research time

[upbeat tundra]

the easiest one? mass mobilization 36 width

infantry

[opal nymph]

Develop an air force and you will win all your wars

[serene relic]

niceeee

[upbeat tundra]

or yk use space marines

which is banned in mp

[serene relic]

no way amigo

[upbeat tundra]

why not?

[serene relic]

0 skill

[opal nymph]

Personally, I use 18 width infantry (your starting division basically) with support artillery, support aa, and engineers

[dusky burrow]

yeah

or it should be

[upbeat tundra]

space marines are 9 infantry and 1 tank

[opal nymph]

And then I attack with 36 width tank divisions

[opal nymph]

Expensive and not worth

[dusky burrow]

space marines are any number of inf (or special forces) with any number of tank

[upbeat tundra]

the dudes a beginner

[serene relic]

so like combat width

[upbeat tundra]

are space marines comparatively easy to make then tank divs?

yes

[opal nymph]

Think of each tile being a room

The room can only hold so many people

[upbeat tundra]

are they easier to supply then tank divs? also yes

[serene relic]

is it like better if it's over or under the width of the province?

[opal nymph]

Divisions fill in the number

[serene relic]

so less

[dusky burrow]

better to be slightly over than slightly under i believe

[heavy vigil]

when did you become based and cool

[viscid mason]

hello liv again. So I am trying sealion again on that same save. And this time I lost the navy battle. I wonder if building the radar in france helps you win as I forgot to do that.

[serene relic]

ok nice guys

[dusky burrow]

i'm wasting research time on rushing improved airframes

[upbeat tundra]

not always

for breakthrough divs the best width is 36

[dusky burrow]

could be tbh

[opal nymph]

Meanwhile me who hardly uses hot keys and doesn't research juggle

[dusky burrow]

radar can help in naval combats if you refit them on your ships

[serene relic]

👍

how about increasing compliance?

[viscid mason]

as in the radar you build in the states

[upbeat tundra]

i mean @serene relic if u want an easy game just go as the soviets and mass mobilize your country with 36 width infantry

[dusky burrow]

i wouldn't focus on winning one battle though

[heavy vigil]

me as iran with rocket tech (you can get it really early if you start researching day 1 and use the buffs)

[opal nymph]

Local police force and just call it a day

That's what i do lol

[dusky burrow]

yeah i think that gives naval intel too

[heavy vigil]

same

[serene relic]

not civilian oversight?

[dusky burrow]

fair enough

[opal nymph]

Compliance gain was nerfed a long time ago

[heavy vigil]

its hard tho, you cant rush gun or have no eco

[open osprey]

This game is genuinely making me tweak

[opal nymph]

I also puppet a lot, so I don't benefit from high compliance

[dusky burrow]

local police force is better at low compliances, civilian oversight becomes better at high compliances though

[serene relic]

nice

[open osprey]

Chat can't they make this game easier

[opal nymph]

Turn off dlc

[dusky burrow]

Yeah my typical strategy as iran is to rush guns because that's really the only thing you can rely on in the mountains of eastern Turkey tbh

[open osprey]

i've lost 30 times with germany

[open osprey]

nothing changes 😭

[heavy vigil]

but rocket

[opal nymph]

What do you notice when you lose

[dusky burrow]

i can do that after conquering turkey

[heavy vigil]

then youll have it late

[opal nymph]

Do you have low strength bars?

[upbeat tundra]

turn off dlcs civillian difficulty and buffed germany?

[open osprey]

When i lose germany goes to German republic

[opal nymph]

Do you have red air?

[opal nymph]

I'm not talking about the results

[open osprey]

i couldn't take NETHERLANDS

[opal nymph]

I'm talking about the process of losing

[dusky burrow]

fair enough

[open osprey]

Im crying

netherlands

i was stuck on the mountains

[opal nymph]

Do you know how to make frontlines

[open osprey]

yes

[opal nymph]

There are no mountains in the netherlands...

[open osprey]

some alps

[heavy vigil]

show screen for ask help

[open osprey]

or sea

[opal nymph]

There is no mountains for tens of tiles from the netherlands

[dusky burrow]

netherlands has a lot of river and urban

[open osprey]

i forgor

[upbeat tundra]

bro u can win against the netherlands by just frontline + offencive line

[open osprey]

THAT DIDN'T WORK

[upbeat tundra]

so? a battleplan can still cook them

[open osprey]

i need a personal coach please

[dusky burrow]

the only reason why the netherlands is conquerable is that they have relatively few troops

[upbeat tundra]

show us your div template

[heavy vigil]

just send screenshots

[heavy vigil]

irrelevant

[open osprey]

no i left the game

[dusky burrow]

if the Allies show up then the Netherlands is a fortress

[open osprey]

can someone pls help

me

😭

[opal nymph]

You dont give us any way to help

You dont provide us screenshots

[open osprey]

i don't have

SS

[opal nymph]

You just say you die to the Netherlands without explaining your set up

Or the timeframe

[dusky burrow]

what's your operating system

[opal nymph]

Or what you have been making or building

[open osprey]

dude i js put my troops on the frontline

[upbeat tundra]

if the div template is like 4 infantry bc its cheap then it is a problem

[hoary glen]

i need help with SS divisions

[open osprey]

put the offensive line

attacked

and they opened my butthole

[opal nymph]

Define some

[upbeat tundra]

sonion

[heavy vigil]

do you want me to load hoi4, play germany and win with that?

[opal nymph]

Please tell me you are using a full army

[open osprey]

i couldn't even take the capital

[open osprey]

I WAS

I WAS USING 2 ARMIES

THEN THE WHOLE SHII

IM CRYING

[opal nymph]

Did you manually control any divisions

[upbeat tundra]

im just saying for someone inexperienced its a problem

[hoary glen]

@opal nymph medium tank artilely with infantry as SS?

[open osprey]

Yes

[opal nymph]

Or did the allies join the war

[heavy vigil]

its not relevant

[open osprey]

Allies and i did manually

[heavy vigil]

research, production, battle modifiers

holy trinity

[open osprey]

i saw alot of tutorials

[opal nymph]

Let inf be inf. Don't mix anything else with it except support companies

[open osprey]

but

that shi ain't helping me out

[opal nymph]

Do you use field marshals

Or generals

[open osprey]

Yes

[hoary glen]

sheeit

[open osprey]

I create divisions

the use the commanders

or generals

[dusky burrow]

basically yeah this is what hoi4 is about

[open osprey]

teach me

[upbeat tundra]

what difficulty

[open osprey]

Yes yes

i use them

[open osprey]

recruit

or normal

[safe wing]

My favorite image on this server

[open osprey]

idk

[open osprey]

Kakarot

[upbeat tundra]

s o n i o n

[open osprey]

i even lost on the easiest difficulty

[opal nymph]

Do you just right click their capital or what are you doing

[hoary glen]

bro they need to make more asian faces

[safe wing]

He heard Hitler was pretty strong

[open osprey]

Yes

right click

[hoary glen]

i always end up having like 6 of him

[opal nymph]

Well

[dusky burrow]

maybe they overstacked and they're suffering form undersupply

[open osprey]

he is