hoi4-general

[willow gull]

more paratroopers

[vernal beacon]

spill the beans

[slim nexus]

I can literally sink the Royal Navy to the pits of hell with only 50 ships

[vernal beacon]

my empire dont even have a navy i just noticed

im gonna rob united kingdom

[slim nexus]

U want me to try n' explain what i understand of navy?

[vernal beacon]

no

i dont care really

[slim nexus]

Aight'

[silver dawn]

i know.

[vernal beacon]

i dont like navy

[silver dawn]

its ok when u understand it

[slim nexus]

I love the fact that u can even do that with simple subs lmao, athough im the opposite since i dont use subs and try to rush heavy cruisers n' destroyers mostly as my personal take

[vernal beacon]

anything i can do to make it wayy better

[slim nexus]

Still a marvelous image that describes it all lmao

[vernal beacon]

i got some nice milita bonuses

[slim nexus]

What country are u playing with?

I swear i never used militias even once

[willow gull]

anti air ?

[silver dawn]

yeah i made the uboat that sank thair pride of the fllet my pride of the fleet

[vernal beacon]

austria hungary

[slim nexus]

Fair

Makes sense lol

[vernal beacon]

is this wide enough

[fair compass]

me when the czechs randomly decide to declare war on me

[upbeat tundra]

a buncha problems for austria hungary came up when they realized their troops spoke 13 diff languages

[willow gull]

hell yeah

[vernal beacon]

oh lol

[willow gull]

make sure your paratrooper doctrine is up

[silver dawn]

once i watched a friend playing hungry and he wasnt ready for i. the second i didnt watch him he got capt. XD

[vernal beacon]

okay im gonna take brazil and then paradrop britain

[silver dawn]

it*

[willow gull]

i usually invade south/sw side of britain

[wet flicker]

everybody else playing on this version too right?

[willow gull]

make sure you hit the ports

[vernal beacon]

i always go ipswitch or something else

[lofty adder]

Is this good division for africa?

800 soft attack

[wet flicker]

my friend is trying to join my game but couldnt cus our versions are different ig

[vernal beacon]

i have 180 military factorys but its not good enough for my needs

[vernal beacon]

it got many penaltys no?

[slim nexus]

Me when i dont have patience to keep playing long enough to win a absolutely winnable war agaisnt a country (stares at USSR when playing Germany/Italy)

[fair compass]

Me when germany decides to remilitarize the rhineland for the 100th time (im playing as austria and i suck at it)

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-oh-my-god-higurumajjk-gif-591824705913307794

[silver dawn]

me as germany doing it for the 100th time:

https://tenor.com/view/thragg-invincible-thraggin-invincible-gif-gif-12423240024526844481

[slim nexus]

Me when i cant sink a whole navy in the first weeks of any war:

https://tenor.com/view/reviving-myself-call-of-duty-warzone2-injecting-myself-healing-myself-self-heal-gif-27104925

[fair compass]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[silver dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/love-heart-kiss-conquest-conquest-invincible-gif-1171845603228860391

https://tenor.com/view/flight-tweak-flight-tongue-fast-gif-15986476078687713201

[grave sonnet]

Bulgaria

I'm gonna finish off France & UK later

[willow gull]

son

[willow gull]

you’re gonna WHAT

[grave sonnet]

I'm gonna finish them

[dry sleet]

How the hell does that have so litttle SA witht hat much artillery

[willow gull]

you’re gonna WHATTTT

[grave sonnet]

Cap them

Annex them

[grave sonnet]

NOT IN THAT WAY

Oh also nice pfp 👍

[willow gull]

oh okay

phew

[vernal beacon]

britain is so lame all they can do is failed naval invasions

this is the lamest world conquest with germany

[slim nexus]

Bulgaria my beloved ❤️

[vernal beacon]

how do i gain more iron bro

[grave sonnet]

Бугари моја браћа ❤️

[grave sonnet]

(Bulgarians my brothers)

[dry sleet]

build infra and electric grids in irons tates

[vernal beacon]

is there a mine or something i can build

[vernal beacon]

wich one gives more

[silver dawn]

Go make some puppets and then trade it, but whats that eye cancer map

[slim nexus]

How did u got such a deficit with so many lands bruder 😭

[vernal beacon]

bruder 🙏

was weiß ich

[dry sleet]

1st max infra in the top producing state, then build grid there, then repeat for the 2nd max state and so on

Also, check your trade law

[silver dawn]

Yo Somebody playing zomboid?

[vernal beacon]

reinforced or high capacyty grid

these two

wait its the right

[umbral oar]

Hi everyone, what about the Hoi4 servers?

[silver dawn]

Ye just wanted to say that

[dry sleet]

try reading the tooltip?

[vernal beacon]

yes its the right

[willow gull]

anyone wanna 1v1 or something i’ve never played multiplayer

[umbral oar]

???

[willow gull]

what about them godzilla with blue poop

[silver dawn]

yeah whats that aboute?

[umbral oar]

Yes, everything is normal

[willow gull]

😭😭😭

[silver dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/its-friday-hotstepper-good-vibes-gif-18333405

you:

[willow gull]

address him

[wide osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/لييوو-gif-16809754927858649993

daaaaaaamn

[slim nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-death-of-stalin-meme-soviet-anti-soviet-behavior-guilty-gif-27253033

[silver dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-minions-excited-gah-icanteven-gif-6365913475850204839

[silver dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-camp-gulag-ussr-sfsr-gif-11375769938799485374

[umbral oar]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-4-looksmax-sigma-sigma-face-gif-232308269668432623

[silver dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-mark-grayson-allen-the-alien-steven-yeun-seth-rogen-gif-13222217544860369399

i love this community

[green magnet]

the allies are being useless as always

taking forever to launch an assault on the west

Im surprised im holding this well

and ofc the soviet AI is being dumb as well

they keep trying to push

[bright sinew]

ngl im kinda baffled atm

i dont really watch many streamers or content producers for hoi4 but i noticed the other day the few i have seen dont ever seem to like

they dont build rails

one at a time

they build them all in one go

(this is my screenshot)

[silver dawn]

bro for do u need so many railways

[bright sinew]

why dont more people split up their rails between civs

[silver dawn]

what*

[bright sinew]

i build more than i need

lmfao

also the supply bonuses with gbp and doctrine is nuttier than squirrel dung

im kinda just memeing this game

my normal rails are not that wonky

[silver dawn]

ah ok

[bright sinew]

there were a few people in another server that were like

[low dock]

Made poland a powerhouse

[bright sinew]

trying to adamently tell me that building rails was dumb lol

which was just baffling

[bright sinew]

why would you never build rails

how the hell do you deal with asia

lmfao

[dry sleet]

Dude, I overbuild rails and I build a third of those

[bright sinew]

you're doing good

better than 75% of people w supplies i guess

also people never seem to build level 1 naval docks like uh

[silver dawn]

i hated to build supplies in africa

like every 2 states i had to stop my army

[bright sinew]

africa on the north i like doing the naval base meme for supplies

weird that i dont ever see many people doing that either

[upbeat tundra]

same guy who was complaining about nazi germany earlier btw

[bright sinew]

it costs like 30 days and you get so muh shit

[silver dawn]

XD

[silver dawn]

yeah but middel afrcia is somthing else i needet 130 days to build one supply node

needed*

[vital cove]

why are you fighting in Africa

[bright sinew]

yes

i know that it's useless

you an literally just ignore it the entire war as germany

but

[dry sleet]

yeah, for SP I have a mod that reduces build time for railroads and supply hubs (and tweaks a couple other building costs)

[bright sinew]

sometimes i like doing 'historial' games

where i try to take it

(and then proceed to lose it becacuse italy doesnt guard)

🤷‍♂️

just fun

[silver dawn]

i needed south africa

[bright sinew]

after around hour 2400 you start doi nstupid things like that lol

[vital cove]

i don't think historically Germany would've fought in the middle of Africa

north Africa sure

[slim chasm]

You think the chinese are going to breakthrough anytime soon?

[silver dawn]

dude wth i only got 1376 houres

[bright sinew]

i mean

by africac

north*

i seldom ever take all of africa as germany

i'll usually just go take the suez and link up with turkey(i try to get them in the axis)

[vital cove]

yea sure i was replying to what they said about middle of Africa

[bright sinew]

leave itw ith that

o

my b

[silver dawn]

well i use suez and gribalta to lock in the british navy

[bright sinew]

oh also i dont really ever establish vichy anymore

[silver dawn]

ye

[bright sinew]

so i usually am fighting in north-west africa as well to get to spa

[silver dawn]

and i also make was against italy beacuse i hate these guys in peace conferences

war*

[vital cove]

never having allies is a good strategy for hoi4

ai sucks

[lofty adder]

Ажахзахахх

[silver dawn]

yeah

[lofty adder]

Look im conquer the world

09999999999999999999

[upbeat tundra]

"ONE MORE ATTACK"

[lofty adder]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAA

[silver dawn]

are u a nazi?

[lofty adder]

No

[silver dawn]

yes you are

[gaunt garden]

I need someone to help me how navy works in hoi4 not playing currently but I need to know, like for now I just click the navy and put in on cruise on some place to get naval dominance,no research around navy or anything,,I don't know shi about what the diefference between light cruisers and battleships are

[lofty adder]

It's AI

[upbeat tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lie-detector-lier--k01KQ31FRGS4DGP8TDPZQNHCRZD

[lofty adder]

im never plought for gemrany

[upbeat tundra]

whatever you say

[cedar coral]

why does italy always take eveything

so annoying

[silver dawn]

i dont ally with them i make war with them as germany

[cedar coral]

it fricks up my borders

[silver dawn]

its just better

[cedar coral]

i needed italy to distract the british navy

[winter fulcrum]

well light cruisers like to cruise lightly and battleships like to battle ships

[upbeat tundra]

cause they have a shit ton of claims

on everything

[winged field]

do you want basic patrol taskforce composition?

or?

[cedar coral]

they DO NOT have claims on the shetland islands and stuff in south america

[upbeat tundra]

eh well

[cedar coral]

and the east indies

[upbeat tundra]

rome was a dream

[gaunt garden]

I also just spam cruise on every ship and don't organize I just select the starting ships and like put it on cruise ok the place so I don't get naval invaded or invade,I also don't know how to increase my navy size

[upbeat tundra]

i bet they take everything cause musolini thinks wherever a roman coin was found italy should own it

[silver dawn]

100

[fallen garnet]

How do I gain war support as sweden in Arms against Tyranny

[lofty adder]

Just wait war against you

[cedar coral]

cant remember them finding roman coins in the east indies

[lofty adder]

If you invading in country you lost war support

losting

loosing

[grizzled flicker]

any cool stuff in new czech focus tree?

[lofty adder]

loust

[upbeat tundra]

you misunderstand

[grizzled flicker]

whats the best path? any secrets?

[upbeat tundra]

they put the roman coins there first

[fading coral]

yes

[upbeat tundra]

then discover them while doing the peace treaty

[fallen garnet]

there is no war against me

[gaunt garden]

So yeah how do you grow your navy

[grizzled flicker]

i want the most op path :)

[fading coral]

i havent found a secret yet

[winter fulcrum]

refunding the game

[fallen garnet]

I already have 0

[lofty adder]

Just make Nazi government

[cedar coral]

i already have ß

[grizzled flicker]

is central european federation the strongest path?

[upbeat tundra]

if you want to play OP stuff dont play cze

[lofty adder]

You get manpower and war support

[upbeat tundra]

its so boring

[fallen garnet]

you need war support for that

[cedar coral]

little entente

[winter fulcrum]

thats not really op

[fallen garnet]

ß

[upbeat tundra]

still aint op

little entente is not overpowered

[cedar coral]

i mean

[fading coral]

little entente btw

[cedar coral]

maybe im jsut too good

[upbeat tundra]

thats still not op

well not "op" op

[lofty adder]

Why in hoi 4 im cant make Russia democratic

[upbeat tundra]

not like insta win op

[cedar coral]

get a mod that makes it democratic

[fading coral]

its the provisinal goverment

[winter fulcrum]

you are france bro shut up 😭

[upbeat tundra]

play road to 56

[fading coral]

so?

[upbeat tundra]

so that point is NULL and VOID because we are talking about CZECHLOSLOVAKIA

not FRANCE

[cursive oxide]

In 1937 ¿

[winter fulcrum]

hes saying dont play cze because there arent any good paths, usually the french ai is terrible so its not the same if you are playing france and ai decided to invite u

[lofty adder]

⚡ ⚡

[winter fulcrum]

yeah that too, germany cant really attack or defend much in 36-37

[cedar coral]

"i dont play germany!!!"

[zealous lynx]

Ideal route from trieste to kotor

[fading coral]

i denied rhineland

[winter fulcrum]

so its not like its a huge accomplishment to beat germany while it only has like the base divisions and like 2 more

[gaunt garden]

I have a question,how do you make your navy bigger,and how do you increase your naval invasion max like for me it's 3,and what do marines do

[gaunt garden]

Anyone please

[cursive oxide]

A oke

[cedar coral]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[cursive oxide]

So say no and speed run the faction

[gaunt garden]

Someone TELL ME

[fading coral]

maybe but I had to still deal with civil war and germany

[cedar coral]

to increase naval invasion do these researches

[winter fulcrum]

bro theres literally no way you lose to the communists who have like 2 provinces

[cedar coral]

marines get rid of the naval invasion debuffs during battle

[winter fulcrum]

and again germany is weak asf in 1937

its not some amazing accomplishment

[fading coral]

they stole half of my divs 😭

[lofty adder]

Add Nazi tree for Australia🇦🇺 🦘

[upbeat tundra]

"civil war and germany" mf acting like the communists get like 50 divs

[cedar coral]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-tucker-family-guy-family-guy-meme-son-gif-gif-11802253120531847241

[upbeat tundra]

400k manpower in the field

in 1937 i think

[fading coral]

well they kind of did, i just did inf horde

[upbeat tundra]

ballright bro

[fading coral]

it was funny

[upbeat tundra]

ur acting like beating germany as france with cze is some kind of challenge

[opaque zinc]

Correction only route

[winter fulcrum]

thats what im saying

[cedar coral]

is this tuff guys

[winter fulcrum]

boiii you odin din din done!!!

[upbeat tundra]

no soviet invasion?

[gaunt garden]

And how to increase your navy number? And what do marines do?

[cedar coral]

soon

[zealous lynx]

You can also sail your car trough the adriatic but that uses a lot of fuel so its not ideal, oh yeah and you'll sink

[upbeat tundra]

yey'

[opaque zinc]

Bro was just picking on random ass dudes

[cedar coral]

@gaunt garden

[silver dawn]

yo guys i have a question, is hitler a rage quiter?

[winter fulcrum]

nah he just had to reload a new save

[upbeat tundra]

we need a hitler sanity meter in hoi4

[silver dawn]

XD

[upbeat tundra]

decisions such as "have a party with eva braun"

[opaque zinc]

@cedar coral WHAT

[upbeat tundra]

-- 50 insanity

[winter fulcrum]

we need a focus that gives us volkssturm divisions

[gaunt garden]

Yeah kind of,but a true rage quitter stops as soon as they start to lose

[cedar coral]

to increase your navy just put all of your starting navy production to max

[cedar coral]

italy owns that

[silver dawn]

true

[upbeat tundra]

deploy the volksturm + 50 volksturm divs, 1 rifle each

[opaque zinc]

Oh so you just beat the allies pretty much

[silver dawn]

ye

[cedar coral]

i genuienly forgot to annex uk

[cedar coral]

yeah

[upbeat tundra]

PAHAHHHA

[fading coral]

sweden genuinly never capping

[upbeat tundra]

bro doesnt know how to screenshot

[cedar coral]

i have a bigger navy than them

[opaque zinc]

My screenshot is broken on my computer

[fading coral]

I just used my phone

[upbeat tundra]

u couldve stolen their ships tho

[opaque zinc]

The screenshot keybind tabs me out

[gaunt garden]

So yeah it's like normal when you quit when you're surely about to lose in like 2 months,like why even continue in that point

[upbeat tundra]

did you uninstall snipping tool or sum?

[silver dawn]

i use light shot its preaty good

[opaque zinc]

No

[cedar coral]

ik but i used all of my points to get the east indies and india

[upbeat tundra]

win+shift+s works as long as prtsc

[opaque zinc]

When I use it

[fading coral]

imma have to look at that

[opaque zinc]

I can take full screen screenshots

[upbeat tundra]

worth it, india has infinite manpower along with hcina

[bright sinew]

be italy
declares war on greece at the worst moment

this is another reason for ignoring africa tho - you get to keep italy out of the axis and you ignore this stupid nonsense...

[opaque zinc]

But I can’t like screenshot a specific part

[cedar coral]

ik

[opaque zinc]

So when I screenshot everyone has to see the red bubbles I get

[cedar coral]

i also get claims on it

[upbeat tundra]

try snipping tool

like clicking on the app

[silver dawn]

you can do that with light shoot

[opaque zinc]

Ok

[gaunt garden]

As checholsovakia I got Berlin and occupied all of germany

[gaunt garden]

Chechoslovakia is the strongest of all

[cedar coral]

omg thats me

[upbeat tundra]

is that... linux

[cedar coral]

omg thats me

[fading coral]

linux is peak

[cedar coral]

cant play tfr on linux

[upbeat tundra]

i cant do shit on linux

i need to use nvidia cuda

[silver dawn]

why cant u do shit with it

[fading coral]

…

[upbeat tundra]

because driver issues cause of the big N

nvidia

[silver dawn]

oh

ok

https://tenor.com/view/phatearl-gif-2280842092719572077

[upbeat tundra]

my workstation has three nvidia cards so the drivers are already a nightmare

i dont want to make it even more of a nightmare

[winter fulcrum]

no they arent 😭

[upper merlin]

Guys on a brutally honest tidbit. What does BlackICE do RIGHT and what does it do wrong that gives it the infamous “laggy spreadsheet hellscape “ rep?

[upper merlin]

I like the idea of showing local weapon production being shown as mini rgo’s/resources

But I also don’t want to allocate an entire production line to buttons

[fading coral]

black ice creates pain, but it is very detailed

[upbeat tundra]

black ice did right with the name

black ice is a fire name for a mod

[upper merlin]

It is.

Again I’m working on my own mod, “Fall of Eagles”

[upbeat tundra]

but everything else

[upper merlin]

Which is… possibly going to be semi black ice but, actually fun…

[cedar coral]

❤️

[fading coral]

rate 0-10

[silver dawn]

what is that kinde of eye cancer shit

[cedar coral]

with 32 divisions

[upbeat tundra]

how my rubber looks after taking the congo and the east indies

[silver dawn]

i always hate it when the ai is trying to give me eye cancer

[cedar coral]

exactly what i did

[upper merlin]

Starts in 1897 and it’s trying to be the ultimate ww1 mod starting at the orgin point of larger tensions leading to war

[upper merlin]

When Germany had the bright idea to start that naval arms race

[silver dawn]

but good work

https://tenor.com/view/bismark-bismarckism-polcompball-otto-von-bismarckism-gif-16196388271571019988

[cedar coral]

1941 how many divs do the soviets have rn

[upbeat tundra]

congrats! you got all the useless mountian parts of russia

[silver dawn]

aboute 200

they always have aboute 2 mio soliers

by 1941

[upbeat tundra]

with like 0 eq

[silver dawn]

yeah XD

[upper merlin]

Tbf, if the player is strategic enough you could actually attempt to win this naval arms race

[silver dawn]

when i did some oberserving they always had over -40k weapons

[cedar coral]

not much

[acoustic wasp]

can someone tell me how youtubers get these hilarious casualty ratios using the same exact doctrines, templates, designs while i lost almost a million to 5m germans? like the only country i can actually achieve this with is germany, but with the soviets yeah i dont lose tiles but i can never push as easily with the armour

when i run this as germany i dont even get 100k casualties in barbarossa

when i do it as the soviets

i was short on 4000 tanks

across only 24 divisions

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G-LotRSXcAAnArr.gif

[silver dawn]

well u got to make tank armys with that u can do break througs

[winter fulcrum]

idk why but whenever i play soviets i usually end up using more equipment than i would as germany

[acoustic wasp]

not helping when half the run you're catering to mad papa stalin for the paranoia

[acoustic wasp]

the infantry are holding very very well

the tanks tho

for some reason

the pushes are just

horrible

[silver dawn]

well do u build supply lines?

[acoustic wasp]

im not that bad at microing or battle planning at all i mean i do it with germany

[cedar coral]

absolujtely

[acoustic wasp]

yeah i attack and micro on the rails

[silver dawn]

ok tahst good

well

[acoustic wasp]

i mean yeah not bad but i expect much more

[silver dawn]

wth

[ivory hull]

whats your template?

[silver dawn]

but u cant wait to long with war against the soviets+

[upper merlin]

I’m thinking about adding stuff people don’t think about like automotive production/horse-camal breeding areas etc…

Meaning if you take a certain city you may legit kill a nation’s ability to build automotive vehicles

[acoustic wasp]

@ivory hull every single video i watch, no matter if its 2 years ago, 1 day ago, 10 years ago, same template, same design, 2 dead and 1 has a paper cut versus the germans in barbarossa

[upper merlin]

Like armored cars, trucks etc

[acoustic wasp]

i just cant achieve satisfying numbers as the soviets

hell i did it as finland

[ivory hull]

make them spg so you get that +45% soft attack

[silver dawn]

yeah that also could work

[acoustic wasp]

i mean yeah sure but why on the internet they use this exact template and design and get acceptable numbers

and actually famous youtubers not some random 700 subs

[ivory hull]

but spgs are the new meta now

[silk furnace]

well

[silk furnace]

what doctrines

[silk furnace]

GHUU

ye thats the issue

[upbeat tundra]

what does max planning do i keep forgetting

[acoustic wasp]

what

[silk furnace]

the doctrines are bad

1 sec

[acoustic wasp]

bonus attack or org i guess idek

[lofty adder]

Hi

[acoustic wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[lofty adder]

Im think this is more better

[vernal beacon]

how should i invade?

[lofty adder]

Because this giving lot of org bonuses

[cedar coral]

port

[vernal beacon]

wich one

[acoustic wasp]

so just that one subdoctrine i should change?

later

[gaunt garden]

Chechoslovakia is so op that it was so nice that it split itself in the 90s to make it weaker

[cedar coral]

hull

[silk furnace]

no

[lofty adder]

Im not pro in hoi 4 but look on bonuses

[vernal beacon]

and is my template ok

[ivory hull]

take assault infantry and just make bricks

[lofty adder]

What you need

Discount to tanks

Or get more org to motorizaed and tanks

[silk furnace]

td force is only good if u do tds

[lofty adder]

Im take this subdoctrine

[acoustic wasp]

oh nvm

paratroopers

[silk furnace]

top left is good

[acoustic wasp]

my bad

[ivory hull]

streamlined gives flat 10% soft attack

[vernal beacon]

and how do i get the 3 mil manpower on the field my division is kind of expensive

[snow rain]

click on the book at bottom right

[acoustic wasp]

the infantry are doing hella fine, my problem is pushing, i can easily just let the germans run and kill themselves and just walk into berlin but i wanted to try armour as the soviets

[snow rain]

so you can seel all buffs you get

[ivory hull]

you have too much support equipment and arty bro

and just dont push in bad supply

with tanks

[snow rain]

reduce AA, arty and support eq production

[ivory hull]

thats easy

[silk furnace]

in the current meta the 40% break is better

[snow rain]

you don't need more break against AI

[silk furnace]

ohh against ai

[snow rain]

400 flat is more than enough

[acoustic wasp]

yeah yeah the problem is not logi at all im good on logi, my problem is losing an absurd amount of tanks when pushing and microing above rails and supply hubs, on the cost, trying to do encirclments etc when i do it with the same designs and doctrines as germany, finland, hungary etc. The only nation that i suffer with so much is USSR with tanks

[ivory hull]

the other one still gives 10% break

[ivory hull]

yes that is supply then

[silk furnace]

ye i forgor

for multi 40 break is better trho

[upbeat tundra]

have you ever heard of a supply hub

[fading coral]

it has a few resources

[acoustic wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-fortnite-fortnite-ishowspeed-cheeks-ishowspeed-blow-gif-8384090200881199846

[vernal beacon]

hull is part of northern england meaning i need more air superiority than if i would just go for something in the south

[acoustic wasp]

i just wrote im microing 2 half armies of tanks to move on rails and supply hubs so i dont get the supply problems and still losing

[silk furnace]

what do u think about the doctrine that gives land night attack?

[vernal beacon]

and are you sure?

[silk furnace]

22,5%

imo its the best doctrine

[ivory hull]

which one?

[upbeat tundra]

how many trains

thats the important part

[silk furnace]

for operations

[cedar coral]

dover or portsmouth

[acoustic wasp]

casualty problems

nothing else

[ivory hull]

grand assault is best after desperate defense

[silk furnace]

why?

[lofty adder]

Ez

[upbeat tundra]

bros acting like this is some impressive achivement

[ivory hull]

you get planning, soft and break on grand assault and the rest is also good

[lofty adder]

Im demillitorizated Romania

[upbeat tundra]

you are the USSR

[upbeat tundra]

not romania

[silk furnace]

but 22.5% extra stats

ovr

[upbeat tundra]

you can solve stablility easily?

[lofty adder]

No

But im can speedrun focuses

Like that

+40 stability it gives

[ivory hull]

the other ones are still better

[snow rain]

show template of the div

[vernal beacon]

okay im gonna start attack and trust your judgement

[silk furnace]

it also gives extra other stuff

[acoustic wasp]

@snow rain

[snow rain]

aren't you dying to enemy air ?

[cedar coral]

you better pray becuase they could they trillion of divisions there if its a late game

[ivory hull]

with those tiles you never go wrong

[vernal beacon]

its 1944 vro

[ivory hull]

yea but the night attack isnt worth it

[silk furnace]

why?

its more than half of the day?

[upbeat tundra]

watch out

dday

[acoustic wasp]

right now i am but during the initial push i had green air over poland, i tried doing a scissor with 2 half armies of these divisions each assigned to one general, one from the coast and one west of warsaw to encircle it, lost 4000 tanks, still encircled like 80 divisions but the problem is losing a number of tanks im not supposed to be losing that's all

[ivory hull]

because you have a -50% normally and its just being reduced half the time your fighting

[vernal beacon]

theyre doing d day since 43 never got thru

i got my expenditionarys stacked up there

[upbeat tundra]

chuck em back into the sea

[ivory hull]

but the 10% soft and planning and break

are applied the whole time

[vernal beacon]

i dont wanna use my real troops and its ok

cause im bout to end them anyway

im gonna try hull landing

oh shittings

[snow rain]

if you're losing so many tanks, you're likely losing it to air and combat (if you see red bubbles)

can you check the losses

the exact losses in the combat log

[vernal beacon]

okay now is the time

[silk furnace]

it also gives break org and other buffs

[peak gull]

hello

[willow gull]

let’s go

[snow rain]

brk and org you don't need

[acoustic wasp]

this one?

[snow rain]

no

[ivory hull]

infiltration adds it to like recon which you barely ever use

[snow rain]

the combat log under the theater
click on the clipboard next to your army list on the right, unselect all armies without tanks and check the losses in equipment

[silk furnace]

no i mean for mp

[silk furnace]

what?

[ivory hull]

it adds the break to recon

[silk furnace]

recon is op

[ivory hull]

and like that 5% for light tank recon

is worse than the 10% grand assault gives

just base

[silk furnace]

no it also gives flat break

im pretty sure

light tank recib u always use noi?

[silk furnace]

minor spelling mistake

[ivory hull]

yea but grand assault gives a flat 10% instead of 5

[snow rain]

go in equipment

[silk furnace]

ye but the night attack counteracts it

[ivory hull]

i dont think it does

[opaque zinc]

I just got bba what’s like

A good plane

For a minor nation

[snow rain]

hover over it

[opaque zinc]

For air superiority

[snow rain]

the tank losses

how many lost by planes

[ivory hull]

pinned in #ask-for-help-here

[sudden thistle]

how do u lose that much omg

[acoustic wasp]

i mean lore accurate soviets i guess

[ivory hull]

not even attrition but combat too

[acoustic wasp]

the only one that gives me a prompt is attrition

[opaque zinc]

But it’s like a year old

[snow rain]

@silk furnace @ivory hull
in MP there are only 3 doctrines used in operations : Grand assault for almost everything, it has the best buffs. Then there's desperate defense for the mods that allow it without the defensive war, only for mass mobs and sometimes mech wall. Then there's rapid domination, for when desperate defense isn't available or for spanish mech wall

that's it

[ivory hull]

still good

[opaque zinc]

Ok

[snow rain]

has air designer changed since the DLC released ?

[ivory hull]

i will know this for the one time i play mp

[stable pelican]

Is it worth to make up to date destroyers with the best hull and modules or is it better to just make cheap and low tier destroyers

[acoustic wasp]

cant even push 5 infantry divisions

there is something totally wrong

this cant be only air debuffs

[ivory hull]

attack from 2 sides always holy

otherwise your divs wont even go into combat

[snow rain]

then there must be something wrong in the way you used the tanks
either they didn't have fuel (-90% stats), or the stats you're showing us aren't the real stats

show us one of the tanks in the field

xp level is also important, if they have -25% stat debuff because they're green it can be crippling

[acoustic wasp]

'

[snow rain]

and air can definitely explain why

[snow rain]

show the div

click on it, show the stats

[snow rain]

and yeah, most of those tanks have a -25% stat debuff because lack of xp and you only have 50% hardness in those tanks meaning you take quite a lot of damage, still

[opaque zinc]

Dont spaa do more soft attack than regular medium tanks

The ai is bad at armor

[vernal beacon]

omg

[snow rain]

you're mistaking it with SPGs

[opaque zinc]

Why don’t I just do spaa

[vernal beacon]

hell yeah were going in

[acoustic wasp]

so just figure out how to pump out an army of these AND research like 8 fighter related stuff with 3 research slots before 1941 basically

[opaque zinc]

I mean self propelled artillery

[snow rain]

don't send tanks without supplies

[acoustic wasp]

thats the problem

[opaque zinc]

Not anti air

[snow rain]

that's SPGs, and yes you're correct

[wise pelican]

how am i not winning

[opaque zinc]

So are they just better but more expensive

[fair compass]

rivers:

[snow rain]

no equipment in your divs = no stats = you can't push

[wise pelican]

what should i do

[snow rain]

not even more expensive. Same design as you did before, you just change the designation and get 75% more soft attack at the expense of 30% breakthrough you don't need

[acoustic wasp]

since im very annoyed by this playthrough, i can still easily win by letting the germans run into my billion infantry units, i am going to send it, 5 field marshal attack orders coming right up i dont even care anymore

[opaque zinc]

Look at what you’re producing and what your units need

[opaque zinc]

Are medium tanks just useless

[snow rain]

stop attacking until your divs are equipped, micro your units and concentrate troops for assault

[opaque zinc]

What’s even the point of them😭

[fair compass]

support frfr

[wise pelican]

how do i make them stop attacking

[snow rain]

they're just sub par to SPGs now
they don't get any meaningful buff from doctrine now

[acoustic wasp]

hilarious

[vernal beacon]

bro its so low supply im gonna try again

i need many more tiles

[acoustic wasp]

so realistically

realistically

[fair compass]

bro what weapons are the brits using on me

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/good-triumphs-cat-mrow-meow-idk-gif-13691899891700108231

[opaque zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/macaco-macaco-sério-sem-reação-monkey-reaction-gif-15934985753061585426

[finite plume]

I just noticed, where are your generals

[fair compass]

i forgor..

[finite plume]

🥀

[fair compass]

this was when i was still a little new

nowadays

ive improved

[finite plume]

Ah alright

[fair compass]

VERY improved

[acoustic wasp]

how does one research improved airframe, improved engine (both with insane time penalties), heavy mg, extra range, survivability studies, Radio 2, improved howitzer, improved medium,

then find the factories to make like a thousand of the fighters at least, while needing around 6000-7000 tanks with their support divisions using 3 research slots of which you have to just somehow manage until it's 1940 when you get the extra slot otherwise stalin will purge you from the game and end your playthrough 2 months in. Genuinely how

is there anyway to actually play the USSR without making 500 infantry divisions and letting the germans just run into them and die

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-9977520401928425114

[acoustic wasp]

this is not fun

[snow rain]

you don't research everything and certainly not improved medium

[acoustic wasp]

not fun at all

[opaque zinc]

I will never play the Soviet Union and this is why

[finite plume]

Yeah there is

[opaque zinc]

Also this

Yea

I don’t know shit about the game but I know not to do that

You don’t need improved medium

[acoustic wasp]

yeah well hoorray one research deleted, still a big problem

i cant even physically research it in time lol

[opaque zinc]

Ive never played Soviet Union so I dont know what to say

[finite plume]

You can maybe try using infantry meat walls along the Dnipro river

[snow rain]

the plane modules can be researched easily in years early on
you start researching the airframe and engine techs by 1939 so you get it in 1940. Before that you got the medium in 1937-38 and the howitzer 1 at the same time

[opaque zinc]

They seem too like

Difficult

[snow rain]

very easy

[finite plume]

Maybe field them with some AA and AT so they don't get countered as easily

[opaque zinc]

My favorite country to play has to be Austria

[fair compass]

-# i never use tanks tbh i mainly just infantry rush

[acoustic wasp]

yeah i do that, it's quite easy to beat the germans with the throwing bodies strat and spamming forts across the front, that's really easy, i just needed to have some fun with tanks

[vernal beacon]

i need tips how i can make a good landing

[snow rain]

also, you can get 2 research slots fairly easily

[vernal beacon]

i always get pushed back and they stack on me

[opaque zinc]

DONT FORGET TO GO ON NAVAL INVASION SUPPORT

[finite plume]

Infantry's always for defense, tanks aren't

[vernal beacon]

paratrooper

[opaque zinc]

Assuming this is a uk naval invasion

[finite plume]

You gotta mix it up a bit

[acoustic wasp]

stalin's trials take off at least 2.5 years or something

[opaque zinc]

You have to rush

Like

As quick as possible

[snow rain]

one you nearly rush it down (industrial), and the other you can get with 1 extra focus (mil branch)

[opaque zinc]

Get a port send your army

[snow rain]

you juggle focuses

[opaque zinc]

And just rush victory points

[silk furnace]

one of the reasons i dont play comp vanilla

[acoustic wasp]

yeah i do that

[snow rain]

you pick a purge, do something else, then pick a purge, do something else
rince repeat

[opaque zinc]

And bad supply will kill you

Don’t send too many

[finite plume]

Facts, I wanna have fun not play meta 🙏

[snow rain]

purges are barely an annoyance

[silk furnace]

no i mean i play hmp mods

[opaque zinc]

I say this because this is what made me lose all the naval invasions I do

I take too long

[silk furnace]

i still meta

[snow rain]

sacrifice the navy or forge reports here and there and you'll be fin,e

[finite plume]

What's HMP?

[acoustic wasp]

i either focus on air and infantry or infantry and tanks, i tried to play the USSR 4 times so far and each time the only way to win is by meat walls, im not the brightest player but im not having fun with stalin, my guess is Trotsky would be worse because you get a civil war and you'll be more late

nothing beats commie germany

[finite plume]

Ironically that's how they won IRL

🙏

[acoustic wasp]

and fascist finland

[acoustic wasp]

yeah

[snow rain]

any ahist side as russia is weaker than historical

[opaque zinc]

Historical won

So

[silk furnace]

hist miltiplayer

multi*

[finite plume]

Ah alright

[acoustic wasp]

well yeah that's the point USSR is actually very easy if you don't want to have fun and just stare at a 123102398120398 km front made up of 1000 infantry divisions and a shitload of field marshals that your screen freezes 2 times per second and scroll on tiktok till the germans rack up 6-7 million casualties then just walk into berlin

[opaque zinc]

Yah more reasons I won’t play Soviet Union

Waiting simulator

[finite plume]

I'm an MD player so that's my kinda game 🔥

[silk furnace]

YES

i love my md

[opaque zinc]

And the Soviet Union is so big at the start so even if I won I wouldn’t feel good cause like I just got a little bigger

[acoustic wasp]

i mean the youtubers do it very easily i mean actually being active and offensive with armour and racking up 2 deaths and 1 slight paper cut vs 12m germans dead, i tried the same templates and divisions and doctrines and just got wrekt

idk why

[opaque zinc]

If I’m Ethiopia or Austria I love winning even if it’s all micronutrients

Microinf

What

Why’d

Why’d my autocorrect say that

Micronutrients

I meant to say microing

But ok

[fair compass]

i use this template.. am i goated yo.. :eyeS:

i capped france in 1938 with this btw-

[snow rain]

right now it looks like you're dying to enemy air tbf

[cinder vigil]

Chat I think I learned how the Navy works at 250 hours

[opaque zinc]

As who

[snow rain]

that's an old template

[finite plume]

Any division that has Line Artillery usually gets disliked I believe

[fair compass]

germany.. 👀 cuz idk which other nations to play tbh

[wide osprey]

you're a liar

[finite plume]

Line Artillery is a pariah in HOI4

[snow rain]

can't even put arty alongside inf in the same bataillion anymore

[opaque zinc]

Yeah you can’t put artillery in the same line anymore

[fair compass]

strange

its worked everytime i played smth

[silk furnace]

WHAT

[fair compass]

well its a picture

[acoustic wasp]

im just not experienced enough for one of these 100% optimised 100% efficient tech juggles, i'll stick to commie germany that's where the fun is

[fair compass]

i dont use the same battalion with artillery

[silk furnace]

if u remove the recon and arty its pretty good

[fair compass]

i put it in its own battallion

thats an old image, i took it from website because im genuinely too lazy to get on the game right now to show it but its pretty effective imo

[finite plume]

Ah okay

[acoustic wasp]

my fellow commie germany players, i struggle a lot with war support, is there a way to make it acceptable?

[fair compass]

im trying to figure out how to make a good tank div template.. but uhh idk how making tanks work 👀

[vernal beacon]

good or not?

the plan

[finite plume]

I'm prob not the best person to ask since I also am relatively new to tank meta

🙏

[fair compass]

guh..

[acoustic wasp]

offensive template = 36width
your organisation should generally be at least 30 or around 30
best support companies are logi, flame tanks, armoured assault engineers, armoured recon or motorised recon, you can have support arty or field hospital or whatever you would like, then just usually the most optimal way is

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/bvVAU.gif

[acoustic wasp]

slapping 2 lines of motorised

then 2 and a half of tanks

generally

you could switch

2 lines of tanks and 2 and a half motorised

[fair compass]

noted, ill try to rush down that path next time i play smth 👀

[acoustic wasp]

also the tank designs are important so look those up on youtube, if in single player the main gun should be a howitzer, medium tanks are preferable

[silk furnace]

armored recon

[vernal beacon]

can i send tanks already

[fair compass]

noted.. 👀, now ermm.. how do i deal with the berlin wall known as the british navy

[vernal beacon]

there is 54 divisions there right now

[acoustic wasp]

motorised used to work for me too when i was low on resources i didnt notice the biggest difference that breaks templates honestly

[leaden mulch]

I have done a thing

[acoustic wasp]

well, you dont, you just hide your navy and not let them wander near the english channel, kill the french, steal their navy, plan naval invasions and when they are ready just full send the fleet you stole and make sure at least a few ships are on naval invasion support, then full send all your fighters and cas over the english channel, all you need is 250 dominance and the invasions will trigger

then force attack order when you're landing, always try to invade ports and tiles adjacent, once they successfully land, delete all orders, reassign frontline and offensive line so the rest of your divisions join, kill the british and if you do it quick enough before 1942 or so they wont run to the US and spam your shores with 900 naval invasions per month and force you to fight the americans when you dont want

[silk furnace]

for tank nations light tank is always better

[acoustic wasp]

yeah

[silk furnace]

wait is 30 org still good?

its been like that for way too long

[acoustic wasp]

initially yeah your doctrines slowly raise it, in 1939 1938 even 27-28 org work

[silk furnace]

support arty is bad, if mp use signals, if single do field hospi

[silk furnace]

no like i know

its js crazy how it stayed the same number for so long

[acoustic wasp]

i mean still the doesnt make the biggest difference sometimes i use it if i didnt have the time to research armoured signals

[silk furnace]

armored signals are goated

extra break%

my fav support

[acoustic wasp]

i mean the ai doesnt make half decent tanks since the game launched till today

[silk furnace]

well yeah

[acoustic wasp]

single player doesnt change much i guess

[vernal beacon]

can someone please answer

[silk furnace]

well of course, for single player if u micro well enough u can get away w almost anything

[vernal beacon]

i cant do it theyre always pushing back

[silk furnace]

im talking multi

[silk furnace]

well we need more info than that to answer

[snow rain]

pre no step back tanks used to be alright

there was no SPG but it was fine

mainly because you couldn't outsmart it that much so you couldn't bloat your tanks with stats

[acoustic wasp]

if the tanks are assigned to generals in the UK just delete the front line and reassign it, the tanks usually travel across the channel and should join in a few days

[silk furnace]

wait pre nsb spg-s were 3 width right?

[acoustic wasp]

just pray they dont sink your divisions

[silk furnace]

ohh its the uk situation

[snow rain]

SPGs were 3 width until no compromise no surrender

[silk furnace]

wait what

[snow rain]

but before No step back (no tank designer) SPGs were the only way to get some solid soft attack

[silk furnace]

ye

[vernal beacon]

i just need a major way to win this around

[snow rain]

example with this

[low dock]

Guys should I declare war on central Europen allince?

[silk furnace]

what about td-s?

pre ncns what width were they?

[acoustic wasp]

push the south first probably

[silk furnace]

BEAUTIFUL

[low dock]

America is there too

[snow rain]

2width, always were

[acoustic wasp]

also @vernal beacon see in the top right some divisions have a red mark next to them, that means they arent following orders, just left click those divisions, see what general lights up and right click that general

[acoustic wasp]

i red it satanist poland and had to triple check

[low dock]

Im polish Lithuania commonwealth now

[acoustic wasp]

what da hellll

[silk furnace]

what tanks is ryu using?

[acoustic wasp]

idek

[silk furnace]

lol

[acoustic wasp]

he was complaining that the tanks arent travelling to the battle

[amber matrix]

alr vro

😭

[dusky burrow]

As long as you have supply you should be able to win

[vernal beacon]

i think im doing it tho

yea looks like my encryption did a lot

[snow rain]

you need to stop battleplanning endlessly, you're lacking equipment and don't have any forme of air cover. You're gonna die if you don't reorganize and prepare your assaults

[vernal beacon]

from being pushed back to this

[snow rain]

the north seems to be doing fien but the south is another story

[snow rain]

stop attacking then

only attack for easy wins and wait until you can recuperate your losses

[vernal beacon]

no, i was being pushed back now i tried again and im dominatiing

[snow rain]

also garrison your ports in your back

[lofty adder]

Hi

[finite plume]

Your troops are visibly running out of either equipment or manpower

[lofty adder]

I am professionalnal in hoi 4

im can show

[fallen garnet]

which template is good for smaller nations?

[finite plume]

UK's prob convoy raiding so you can't resupply

[lofty adder]

i am 30000 xp

[finite plume]

Every loss is pretty much permanent in that offensive until you either guard the waters or use air drops

[lofty adder]

how you did this

are you cheater

?

[snow rain]

nah, just lack in logistics (no stockpiles) or constant battles (preventing manpower reinforcement) otherwise there would be literal supply issues on the front

[lofty adder]

grey cup

[vernal beacon]

i did decryptiong

[lofty adder]

this is 100% consol

[finite plume]

Ah alright

[finite plume]

Not everyone plays ironman mode

[snow rain]

especially with the annoying weekly save

[fallen garnet]

which template should I use for smaller nations?

[vernal beacon]

no

[finite plume]

It always just stalls the game

[lofty adder]

Yes

Stop playing with cheats

[vernal beacon]

im not on console

[lofty adder]

it's not interestic

[vernal beacon]

what do you mean

bruh

[finite plume]

He means he's accusing you of using console commands

[finite plume]

We just make new words now 🙏

[lofty adder]

Hi what is best and better for using tree

Left or right

[silk furnace]

1v1 me

[lofty adder]

Im want try left tree economy

[vernal beacon]

ahh i used that to add more people to central powers

[lofty adder]

No im have 400 hours

[vernal beacon]

console

allowdiplo

[silk furnace]

then why say ur pro?

[finite plume]

Risky move posting that flag

[lofty adder]

the irony bro

[vernal beacon]

cause they would accept but i cant accept other into the faction

[finite plume]

How'd you get the naval invasion going btw

Cause the seas look really red

[vernal beacon]

its a paradrooper

[silk furnace]

ohh

[vernal beacon]

invasion

[finite plume]

Ah alright

[vernal beacon]

alpenjäger or something

theyre trying to take italy now but theyre gonna die fast

[finite plume]

Is the UK the last major you need to finish

[acoustic wasp]

does anyone have a mod that disables AI requests? im tried of my notification bar being flodded with 900 NAP requests from 1000 puppets

or base access

or lend leases

i just dont want any of that

it lags my laptop really bad

[vernal beacon]

no, canada

[finite plume]

Rip

[finite plume]

I don't think there is since diplomatic actions are hardcoded

[acoustic wasp]

or at least like auto rejects it

[silk furnace]

right is better left is easier to play as a new player

[acoustic wasp]

anything

the spam is horrible

[finite plume]

🤷‍♂️

Sorry, I don't know anything that could help

[acoustic wasp]

sadge

[quiet vessel]

GOE iran is so peak

[cedar coral]

german nato

[clever shuttle]

i like the new dlc

[lofty adder]

Why germany invaded in polandia

Why Hiter started ww2

Why ss killed 90m people

Because all German is nazi and choose him

We need demillitorizate ger.any again

[fair horizon]

No but i have a solution, total war

Every time you get a NAP request declare war on them

[lofty adder]

@fair horizon

Only major country can create alliance?

[clever shuttle]

ts dlc is so cool idc, i just joint attacked german empire with Napoleon and Poland-Lithuania

[lofty adder]

What

This is non hist

[clever shuttle]

yeah, but to be able to play the focus tree correctly you need to change the settings beforehand, so i only changed the ones needed and it turned out cool

[willow gull]

should i buy the new DLC & risk giving money to paradox for a DLC with one tree ?

[lofty adder]

Yes

This dlc for czechoslovakia

Puppet Slovakia for Romania and Hungary

Without war with reich

For reich you get more bonuses by occupied skids factories

Peace for our tone is dlc not only for Czechoslovakia

[bright sinew]

oh

it was?

i am playing germany and just annexed them like normal lol

what changed

(lmfao)

[willow gull]

did you not read the description 😭

[terse skiff]

germany gets some op mios now

[willow gull]

which ones

[terse skiff]

germany gets its own mystichy in skoda

[silk furnace]

WHAT

convert build

[terse skiff]

and its own high agility

[silk furnace]

actually convert build lol

[willow gull]

whats that

[terse skiff]

the soviet tank production mio

[sudden thistle]

?

[terse skiff]

the most op tank production mio in base game, even though ussr's truck mio is even more op than mystichy

[ivory hull]

isnt range still better tho?

[lofty adder]

Hi

[bronze glade]

chat

[willow gull]

should you rush annexing czechoslovakia as germany

like ASAP

[bronze glade]

did they debuffed the third reich in the last updates

[tender comet]

О ты русскоязычный?

[ivory hull]

always

[bronze glade]

да

[lofty adder]

Да

[silk furnace]

why is germany still getting buffed

axisbros

its so joever

[bronze glade]

Просто он стал проноситься советом

he's getting cooked by ussr

wdym

[terse skiff]

yes but high agility is also nice, if only ussr could get it

[willow gull]

or worth it for them to build mills ?

[silk furnace]

best germany vs best ussr germany wins easily

[bronze glade]

maybe they upgraded soviet ai

[ivory hull]

no always rush annexing

same with austria

[silk furnace]

cuz they get like hungary romania, and the german tanks

[tender comet]

I don't think it's possible that it's now easier for Czechoslovakia to defeat the Reich

[tender comet]

Ааа ты про это

[bronze glade]

ну с чехословакие вообще не знаю

я еще длс не пробовал

[bronze glade]

А так да, просто в последних катках, в которых я играл совет всегда на легке побеждал герму

и это началось где-то с 1.17 думаю

[tender comet]

А у тебя нового длс нету?

[lofty adder]

Ты имеешь ввиду что ссср теперь больше живок делает

[bronze glade]

может 1.16.9

[lofty adder]

Дивок

[silk furnace]

lol

[tender comet]

Значит нет

[lofty adder]

Кто их не пиратит

[bronze glade]

или какой номер у этого обновления

[bronze glade]

ну про чехословакию нету

[tender comet]

Хз у меня подписка

[bronze glade]

А так все есть