hoi4-general

[obsidian sigil]

if u dont wanna use bicycles then dont ig

but if i get a nation with bicycles i spam the hell out of them cause im addicted to overruns

who needs encirclements when u overrun everything

im like the 1 out of 5 true mobile warfare practitioners

[vocal bolt]

are cycles faster than horse

[vocal bolt]

also is motorized any good

seems like a very bad way to run out of oil

[obsidian sigil]

motorized is usually a stand in

u always want mech instead

some nations have some motorized buffs

but overall they are just a stand in because their stats arent great and they take up too much supply for their stats

[obsidian sigil]

the only case u want lots of motorized is if u have a ton of fast tank divisions

[vocal bolt]

another question

[obsidian sigil]

in that case the tanks will breakthrough faster than infantry can cover the snaking frontlines

[vocal bolt]

is there a way to buff horses without having ncns

[obsidian sigil]

motorized are fast enough to do so until regular infantry can prevent ur tanks from being encircled

[obsidian sigil]

poland

and chile

[vocal bolt]

the only horse doctrine is behind paywall

simply diabolical

[obsidian sigil]

overall not really

u have to just go to a country which gives 50000 calvary buffs

poland has absurd calvary buffs

[vocal bolt]

they just give attack and def

[obsidian sigil]

to larp as the polish hussars

[vocal bolt]

the cool thing with the horse doctrine is the speed bonus

[obsidian sigil]

idk about that

regular mobile warfare should give +1 speed to all units

[vocal bolt]

do you like the arty subdoctrine

I really like fire concentration or whatever its called

alot less widht on arty

buffs aa too

[obsidian sigil]

yes

for me its either fire con or the spg one

[vocal bolt]

engineers are quite good if you are playing a defensive natipn too

the extra entrenchment goes a long way

ill prob do a poland run tomorrow

just bought no step back today

wanna try the cossack route

and then maybe get the bear in charge later

[obsidian sigil]

who needs defense, i enjoy overrunning soviets as finland

we skiing past russian troops simo hayha style

[vocal bolt]

You kinda need to play defensive as the czechs

I make like hella 9-0 inf with engineers

load up with forts

get every defensive bonus I can get

then just sit it out

[obsidian sigil]

ive never played czechs

[vocal bolt]

they lose so much manpower that they cant even ask for danzig

if you start losing you can just get bailed out by the soviets btw

[vocal bolt]

just one tip if you decide to play them

the sudetenland fort focuses put level 7 forts on the german border

but it doesnt fortifity a single fort near poland

you gotta build it yourself

or they just invade from there

[obsidian sigil]

czech is gonna get a rework

so ima wait

its prob gonna change

[vocal bolt]

quite good as is

the tree is just too small

you run out of stuff to do

by like 40s

[gentle cloak]

🥹

[vocal bolt]

activate windows bruh

[fair horizon]

MW ♥️

[obsidian sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-car-gif-22098603

[winter fulcrum]

how do u get the third rome?

[obsidian sigil]

russia fascism

[gentle cloak]

focus

[winter fulcrum]

okay okay

[gentle cloak]

Monarchist actually

U can see my mouse under the focus

U need the no step back dlc for this tree

[winter fulcrum]

okay thx

ill try to get that today

[tawdry bolt]

Bro I just started this game and I spammed like 100 units of tanks and tried to rush Poland

And I lost

I'm so confused on this game bro

[restive sable]

were all the units supplied?

and at full strength?

[tawdry bolt]

Man idek what that means bro

[restive sable]

supplies and org matters in units

[tawdry bolt]

I've literally just started this

[restive sable]

that probably explains it then

it's fine i can show you

[tawdry bolt]

It was stuck at like 50 forever

[restive sable]

let me boot up the game

do you know about logistics?

[tawdry bolt]

Nope

I just mass made tanks and tried rushing poland

🤣

[heavy vigil]

well you need equipment for them

and the starting tank units are pretty bad even then

[tawdry bolt]

Does that mean

Support equipment

In the production line

[restive sable]

well to have strong tank units you need to actually have said tanks

[tawdry bolt]

I researched the medium ones

[restive sable]

1 fully supplied tank unit will do you more good then 10 badly supplied tank units

[restive sable]

mediums are best

[tawdry bolt]

Yea I heard that

But I still just got cooked by polish infantry

[tawdry bolt]

I think supply is the bit that's making me lose tbh

[restive sable]

supply as in logistics or supply hubs?

europe is usually pretty good when it comes to supply

supply shouldn't be a problem for something like poland

[tawdry bolt]

Supply is the crate next to your units right

That was yellow

[tawdry bolt]

So I'm assuming it's the logistics part

[restive sable]

very likely considering you said you had like 100+ tank divisons

division count is worthless if they're not properly supplied

logistics is this tab

[tawdry bolt]

Logistics is a tab right

[restive sable]

yes

[tawdry bolt]

Yes I've never used that

Ngl

[restive sable]

loaded a new germany game just to show, this is all the equipment that germany currently has

[restive sable]

get used to using it

having equipment is quite important

[tawdry bolt]

So does this connect to production

[restive sable]

yes

exactly

[tawdry bolt]

I see

[restive sable]

military factories make the weapons, tanks and equipment you need

negative numbers mean that you lack a set amount of equipment and you need to produce it to have enough

positive green numbers mean you have a surplus

[tawdry bolt]

So tanks take more than just the actual tank production

[heavy vigil]

if you have negative, you send a bunch of dudes into battle and dont give them a weapon

[restive sable]

good way of explaining it

[heavy vigil]

the inverse is also true at 0 manpower but positive production

[restive sable]

in order for these tank divisions to be effective

they need to actually have the tanks that it requires

you can also see supply status of individual divisions

green is a divisions organization, and orange is their supply

you want both of these bars to be as high as possible

[tawdry bolt]

Ahhh so because I was only producing like 8 tanks per day but had 100 tank units

Is that why

[restive sable]

very likely

[tawdry bolt]

That makes sense

[restive sable]

8 tanks a day when you have 100 tank units is pretty bad

no way you had enough tanks to supply all of those divisions

[tawdry bolt]

Yea I had no clue I was just spamming to get anchluss

[restive sable]

each division probably had something like maybe 10 tanks if we're generous

[restive sable]

spam infantry

[tawdry bolt]

Infantry needs guns then I'm assuming

And support equipment

[heavy vigil]

you can check

where you make divisions, click edit template, or hover your mouse over it

and it will tell you what it needs

[restive sable]

yes

[heavy vigil]

and this is based on the batallions and supports in the division

which can have different costs

[tawdry bolt]

Alright thank you

[restive sable]

this

[heavy vigil]

have this helpful image

[restive sable]

well i was about to go into the division designer

[tawdry bolt]

Thanks

[restive sable]

but that's probably

a way better image

[tawdry bolt]

I got all the dlcs too so when I'm making tanks its extremely confusing

With the tank designed think

Designer*

[restive sable]

on the very right it shows you equipment you need in division designers

when making divisions

[tawdry bolt]

So is that the most important thing

Without that your units are trash

[heavy vigil]

well no, a lot is important, but equipping your army is step 0

it shouldnt even be a thought you should always be in positives

rather too little but equipped units than too many and spiralling into no stuff

[tawdry bolt]

Yea

So you cant just spam units

[heavy vigil]

well you can but its generally a poor idea

[tawdry bolt]

Alright thanks for the help

[uncut pollen]

🤤

Watermelon

[misty fossil]

Hoi4 brainrot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171433449282871309/1246582738438328370/20240601_161209.gif

[marsh stratus]

WTF TURKEY IS MAJOR

[restive sable]

what flag is that?

havent ever seen it

modded or am i just oblivious

[marsh stratus]

NAZIS FINLAN

[marsh stratus]

I HAVE PRUFF

[misty fossil]

Why secondary cannons on flame

ur soft attack is gutted by the role

[misty fossil]

And not sure why you need armour meme if ur gonna get penned anyway

[heavy vigil]

russian

also break

[heavy vigil]

infantry

[misty fossil]

Oh

[misty fossil]

It gives breakthrough??

[eternal aspen]

the convert looks way more expensive than it needs to be

you could prolly get rid of te extra modules for lower IC to produce more

also you could prolly get away with adding a 2nd regular HT battalion for even higher armour

but you almost never need this unless you do MP or sheeps AI

but like, that's genuinely a good division regardless

iirc i saw as france with b1 convert strat getting smth like 24k defence while attacking across the rhine river at night with mud

using that same style, adrahill did it i'm p sure

[heavy vigil]

no

it needs to be as close to final as possible

so you convert faster

tho youre right that you should leave radio slot empty

its also for MP so whatever, you dont need a gazillion break in sp

[eternal aspen]

true

[heavy vigil]

1-3K in battle will be plenty

[eternal aspen]

the one thing that image is missing is the equipment

you wanna remove all the equipment from it, i can't remember when if it's right when you deploy or what

[winter fulcrum]

holy shit the manchurians just ruined my civil war

[eternal aspen]

but you wanna turn EVERYTHING off for it, that way it only takes the good stuff

[eternal aspen]

most mild alt-hist experience

[heavy vigil]

i mean you could use equipment tags for that if you want

the little icons you can give it

[eternal aspen]

true, but at the same time, it doesn't always matter

[winter fulcrum]

i was in the middle of absolutely destroying the soviets so i can become fascist, and then manchuria invades me 😐

[eternal aspen]

just turn off the convert hull, any guns b4 your latest tech, and any old stuff that you don't wanna give them

[eternal aspen]

as who?

russian government?

[sudden thistle]

10,060 planes over me rn

yayy

times are bad rn

[winter fulcrum]

yeah

and i didnt even get a warning that they were going to declare war on me through a focus or anything

they just did it

[eternal aspen]

iirc, they don't turn fascist

they stay non-aligned/democratic

though i could be wrong, been a good 2-3 years since i played 2SCW

[winter fulcrum]

what does iirc mean

HOLY SHIT NOW GERMANY IS GOING TO WAR WITH ME

[eternal aspen]

"if i remember correctly"

[winter fulcrum]

u can choose which path u go?

[eternal aspen]

not that i checked, other than from your political tab with the fascist demagogue or wtvr russia has

[winter fulcrum]

what?

this isnt modded

[eternal aspen]

so it shouldn't be possible?

again, i haven't played civil war russia in a few years, so i could be very wrong

[sudden thistle]

just manchu?

if i rememeber correctly

japan can escalate the border conflict

actually that may be my AI mod that changes it

[winter fulcrum]

there wasnt a border conflict

[calm shell]

yo for multiplayer can i just hop in any free voice channel or do i have to make a request somewhere first?

[winter fulcrum]

japan went democratic

manchuria went fascist

[sudden thistle]

its typically better to reserve

[winter fulcrum]

it is possible, theres monarchist and fascist russia

[sudden thistle]

like join a mp server

called a country

wait till game

randomly joining midgame usually isnt allowed

[calm shell]

wdym "called a country"

[sudden thistle]

mistyped

"call a country"

like

"i want finland"

[calm shell]

ah

[sudden thistle]

thats all

[calm shell]

ill cook with Aussa >:)

[sudden thistle]

yeah they wont allow that

[calm shell]

it was a joke lol

[misty fossil]

67

[eternal aspen]

they wouldn't allow playing as any nation that doesn't exist by 1940

but yet, countries like poland, who had major roles to play in ww2 as a government in exile is also banned

[sudden thistle]

some servers allow polish players

same for denmark

and china

[eternal aspen]

china shouldn't ever be banned

the whole point is china needs to endure

[sudden thistle]

some have yugoslavia

[sudden thistle]

and if japana doesnt kill china they are cooked

and player china means a massive skill check on japan

[eternal aspen]

happens with france

why can't it happen with china

france is supposed to fall in 6 weeks

[sudden thistle]

france has rules to withdraw by a certain time

and france is a lot more helpful in mp than china

[eternal aspen]

who's to stop them from larping though

french armies marched past the rhine in 1939

[sudden thistle]

oh they can

just withdraw by the time

[eternal aspen]

yh, i just find it stupid

[sudden thistle]

and if germany loses to france by that time thats on u for allowing the germany

wait

did u ever play mp

[eternal aspen]

nope

[sudden thistle]

makes sense ok

[eternal aspen]

i don't do mp outside very small games

like 2-3 players including myself

[sudden thistle]

😭

[eternal aspen]

MP server rules watered down:
no joining midgame, even though your country might not exist until then
no leaving midgame, even if power goes out or anything, you are then banned from the next lobby to happen
no countries that don't do anything
no countries that get erased within the first year of actual combat, or are historically annexed like aussa
france MUST capitulate within X time from german invasion of belgium/french lands including alcase
the BEF cannot be larger than X size before Y year
no volunteers outside of spanish civil war

prove me wrong lmfao

oh, and no space marines

they don't ban convert strats, but space marines are absolutely illegal beyond a doubt

[sudden thistle]

wdym by BEF

[eternal aspen]

British Expeditionary Force

the tommies in france before the fall of paris

they limit the BEF just to ensure france capitulates early, as usually they word it where the french can't defend past a specific time, as to continue the flow of it

IF they don't word it like that, they the BEF usually has no limits

but again, no point if france is supposed to capitulate

since your armies get encircled inside france

[warm falcon]

ok, playing japan, waiting for the war with china but it reseted itself by like 3 times now

why

[sudden thistle]

1. u can join mid-game if u had to leave for a bit, or take over a nation/co-op
2. u wont get murdered if u leave mid-game, just have a valid reason for doing so
3. ehh
4. true
5. True (varies per server)
6. True (varies per server)
7. China exists my good sir, we LOVE grinding hill and urban expert there 🔥

[eternal aspen]

Nah, servers tend to ban volunteers to the 2nd sino-japanese war

Only because it gives an unfair advantage to Japan if sent to them, and china is meant to struggle or smth idfk

But if they dont ban it, go for it

[sudden thistle]

from random ahh ruleset

[eternal aspen]

Damn

No tank volunteers, but yet they are useless in spain, and serve mostly use in defending Burgos

Also where's the british in spain? George Orwell was there

[sudden thistle]

if the republicans got to burgos ur cooked already 💀

[eternal aspen]

New Zealand can but britain left

[sudden thistle]

they cant do it ingame

[eternal aspen]

Really? Never played them so I never knew

i rarely play hoi4 atp

mostly modded

[sudden thistle]

Look at the games Dankus Memecus and Bokoen have

[warm falcon]

almost 1940 and got no war with china with japan, wth

[sudden thistle]

did u reinforce the Hebei garrison

[warm falcon]

ye, after the timer reseted itself 2 times

[sudden thistle]

when u hover over the timer

does it say anything

[warm falcon]

only the normal things it says always

20 days left

[eternal aspen]

Seems kinda meh to watch too, idk why but hoi4 MP games of thar size are just uninteresting to me

Im weird ik

[warm falcon]

first reset was by 80 days left or so

[sudden thistle]

strange

[warm falcon]

ye

[sudden thistle]

i would say justify manually?

[warm falcon]

never happend before

[sudden thistle]

or restart if u want to

never seen it either yeah

[warm falcon]

i was, but it was like 30 day difference and then i only declared on china and his puppets and not on shadong as well

[warm falcon]

like fr, it was 2 or 3 times a reset

after the first or 2nd reset it was back to 600 days

[winter fulcrum]

finally

[warm falcon]

i guess i have to, cant even leave shanghai

[winter fulcrum]

how am i supposed to break through this

literally the great wall of china but made up of divisions

[warm falcon]

ye but its not hard to brake trough that

[winter fulcrum]

it is

they have like 30 divisons on each province that are all fully supplied

[winter fulcrum]

break* through*

[warm falcon]

keep the h

[winter fulcrum]

😭

[upbeat helm]

Can anyone help me

I'm in lounge 1 I just need a question answered

[fair horizon]

CAS and high breakthrough divs to encircle the enemy

[winter fulcrum]

got any good breakthrough divisions?

[woeful knoll]

By not playing that late into the game

End your games by mid 42 at most

[winter fulcrum]

yk some people actually like to enjoy the game instead of speedrunning and cheesing every war

[eternal aspen]

GWR would be more fun if the mod had content like the christmas truce, or all the other times the germans and entente stopped fighting in france for anything

that front was more drinking side by side than actual combat

[winter fulcrum]

i really dont think it would change the war

it lasted 1 day

[eternal aspen]

still

if they're so concerned with historical accuracy, hence removing so much alt-hist content

they should add events for stuff like that

that only fire for those countries

[winter fulcrum]

just my opinion but like what would adding the christmas truce really do? it ends fighting for 1 ingame day and realistically thats like 2-3 seconds unless ur in mp

i think the reason they dont add it is because it would be a waste of time to add

[eternal aspen]

flavour

[winter fulcrum]

also the great war (not redux) mod adds the christmas truce and all it does is debuff germany

[obsidian sigil]

whats the difference bwteen regular and redux

[eternal aspen]

has it been updated lately is the reason question then

[eternal aspen]

content

regular is the og, redux is meant to expand it or smth

[winter fulcrum]

redux has more content, focuses, but is more focused on historical accuracy (according to astram), meanwhile regular is kinda buggy especially if you win/lose before 1918

[dusky burrow]

Probably just a more stifling version of the unplanned offensive modifier in the spanish civil war

or maybe not actually

[eternal aspen]

yea, last i played GWR they removed half of bulgarias content for winning the 2nd balkan war

iirc, russia has the most alt-hist with being able to prevent soviet uprising

[winter fulcrum]

yeah also u can just go communist or democratic

[eternal aspen]

so.. the only historically plausible options

reform the improptu democratic state, or go red

OR you find a way to keep nicholas 2 in power

[deft tangle]

What's the point of them removing extra content

Make it a straight up WW1 lore-accurate simulator?

[eternal aspen]

idk

i left the server, stopped supporting their mod, and everything, as soon as i heard they were stripping alt-hist content

because there's no fun in that

even RON has alt-hist, and that mod is massive

welp, time to go do more school work bc i'm far behind where i wanna be

nevermind, ts stupid

[steep rampart]

Ready or not the game?

[eternal aspen]

Rise of Nations mod

[steep rampart]

Is it like ksp kerbal space program

Somebody should make a kerbal space program mod

[eternal aspen]

why? that'd have nothing to do

[tulip thorn]

What would you even do in this

I could see a kerbal space program mod in stellaris

But hoi4 lmao

[steep rampart]

Invade the mun or ww2 on kerbin

[upbeat helm]

what division template should I use as soviets to hold germany

[restive sable]

relatively light campaign

could keep going but i dont really feel like it

[woven gate]

building Armored Divisions as France feels really rewarding

[winter fulcrum]

you should try out the 4th reich

[restive sable]

perchance

[tulip thorn]

One of the most funny hidden paths

[restive sable]

you can also get funny mustache man as the byzantine emperor, american president and the austrian fascist leader

iirc

[thick vector]

[wispy idol]

which do you guys prefer?

[tulip thorn]

I knew about all of these

[winter fulcrum]

its kinda op too

u can get atomic research completed in 70 days in like 1936

[restive sable]

they're all pretty funny

[misty fossil]

average pinochet larper

[misty fossil]

left

have you tried lene's map mod

[wispy idol]

no

[misty fossil]

try it

[halcyon pasture]

they cant have naval supremacy if I nuke all their ports 🧠

[misty fossil]

apparently nuking ports dont permanently destroy ships

[winter fulcrum]

is there a way to justify war goals without needing the world tension to be a certain percent?

not focuses eitehr

either*

[restive sable]

being communist/fascist

[winter fulcrum]

other than that?

[restive sable]

not much else i can think of

[wispy idol]

I prefer my map more

[halcyon pasture]

heh

[winter fulcrum]

is there anything im missing that i should be making?

[fierce grail]

GUYS

GUESS WHAT

[misty fossil]

air

[fierce grail]

Im running for mayor of my township of 30K

[winter fulcrum]

nice

[fierce grail]

Im so proud that im finally commiting

[shrewd inlet]

Repel the running dogs!

[winter fulcrum]

everyones in all these big wars and i cant join 😢

is this how kim jong un feels?

wait i have an opportunity to join one!!!

[eternal aspen]

"If I cant have Moscow, nobody can" ahh approaxh

[eternal aspen]

Nope, unless faction rules let it happen

But I doubt it

[winter fulcrum]

is this a peak encirclement?

[dusky burrow]

take a look at your logistical situation

[winter fulcrum]

its fine once they get near a supply hub they will get their supply back

realistically i could js keep throwing them at the enemy until i win

[dusky burrow]

do you have the pouplation

[winter fulcrum]

8 million

[warm falcon]

xD

i annexed mandschukuo with the focus, all 186 divs from them converted to my divs did cost half my manpower xD

[dusky burrow]

by the way, here are the various airplane mios for light frames and their bonuses

[low granite]

Does anyone know if the Task Force Shipbuilders MIO works for battlecruiser (BC) or if it's strictly for light (LC) and heavy (CA) cruisers?

[misty fossil]

of course it has to depend on italy existing

[misty fossil]

should be able to be used with all hulls above CL

i think you can also use it for DDs?

but battle line is better for CLs and up

from what i observed that is

[low granite]

It says Cruisers, Destroyers, and Carriers, so i'm just wondering. "Does cruisers include the Battlecruiser or do they mean the cruiser research line?"

[misty fossil]

oh wait

they arent applied to BBs right

in that case i think BCs would also kind of belong with the BBs

so you have to use battle line for it

[low granite]

Hmn. Guess i can build a heavy cruiser fleet to do trade interdiction with the Task force builders since i don't have access to battleline.

[warm falcon]

you can make all of asia to cores with japan now

[dusky burrow]

i just happened to use italy a lot since it has 3 of these mios

you can find them with other countries too

[misty fossil]

i mean i just hate having to use foreign mios

like

just let me have domestic mios bro

[dusky burrow]

you can even use foreign mios?

[misty fossil]

this is brazil isnt it

or is it italy

[dusky burrow]

This is Italy obviously

[misty fossil]

oh

yeah i read it again

[dusky burrow]

But yeah I do realize that other countries can get it now

my bad

Yeah Brazil can also get Fiat Aviazione too and it's pretty good

[misty fossil]

i play with a modded brazil game last time that added more south american content so idk if it applies to toa

but i dont like it when your range focused mio requires italy to exist and likes you

[dusky burrow]

it does

[warm falcon]

japan against india, dont know which one is winning if 72 japanese divisions are enough xD

[fair horizon]

you can do battleships quite easy, just do shbb armor and slap that on them

wont be battlecruisers but it'll be basically untouchable by non-torpedo attacks

[dusky burrow]

heavy cruisers would be terrible at interdiction for some reason

they're mainly used for shore bombardment because heavy attack does 2x shore bombardment compared to light

if you want to do trade interdiction you're probably best using light cruisers

[swift valve]

Boi what the helly

[strong umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/omerrv-snip-snipping-tool-supertool-gif-19420624

[blissful solar]

JEW

[swift valve]

Also how do i avoid a war with raj, down the fascist path?

[blissful solar]

bro do you have any romantic relationship?

[swift valve]

Does that mean improve relations?

[silver burrow]

Chosen people ❤️

[blissful solar]

of the devil ❤️

[blissful solar]

no, irl

[swift valve]

I’m trying to play caliph Afghanistan

[blissful solar]

do you have bf?

[swift valve]

No

[blissful solar]

why?

[swift valve]

Just go off mate i just wanted advice for my playthrough

[blissful solar]

i don't have either you know why?

[heavy vigil]

morning

[blissful solar]

Cause he just want to go off and advice in his playtrough

rizz sigma

😏

[latent estuary]

truly Greater Armenia

[lilac ginkgo]

no

[tardy pivot]

How many of you played as Habsburg Austria?

[iron iron]

I was invading the ussr and I check my logistics

Everything is good

But I check my infantry equipment and see

-130k

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-crying-cry-crying-crying-emoji-crying-meme-gif-3223392509479903783

[dusky burrow]

is this a mod?

[latent estuary]

no, its fascist Armenia

[lilac ginkgo]

I did

Why

[tardy pivot]

yk that there is a choice between puppeting your former lands or just annex

[lilac ginkgo]

I guess

Yes

[tardy pivot]

which one is better?

[lilac ginkgo]

depends

annexing them grants you a bigger industry but also a far larger border to defend

if you can defend it sure

if you can't just puppet them and don't call them into any of your wars and that's one less front to fight on

you can annex them later on anyway

[iron iron]

How do I make a puppet the same colour as my country

[quiet vessel]

mod

[dusky burrow]

ah i see

you must be suffering from a lot of resistance then

[heavy vigil]

hiiii livadeia

and others too ig

[zinc quartz]

i keep getting wiped as Ussr 🕊️ i genuinely suck at this game

[clever shuttle]

The Chinese-French war started 1956. China declared its occupation of indochina, which lead to the third world war. The chinese took india, turkey, finland and africa. But africa was later lost due to the allies immense pressure on it. Japan and Italy could not survive the pressure from the allies. Im all alone with Syria and Lebanon who has an total division count of 3. 200 million people have died. 10 million chinese and 190 million from the allies. When they reach 200 million im sure the victory is near... 4 coups have been set in Germany all failed, maybe when Germany reaches 200 million casualties it will work. They have lately begun more offensive naval invasions and attacks. 120 Indian divisions pushing in Suez, I thought i already killed them but whatever they are the allies, ofcourse they should have infinite divisons. All my soldiers have Ptsd, an chinese soldier kills 100 people in average. But the allies have made this a game of men not dead. I dont know if i can hold out much longer, hopefully our leader can have an whitepeace with them. This is getting exhausting. I hope i will see you soon Lena, I have not seen you in 50 years. I atleast hope your alive, much love Xio.

[little owl]

Are the 3 starting mediums any good? Or the cav?

[heavy vigil]

well

you have 2 that are trained

for the tanks

you can get rid of the third for a stockpile

its usable

its not good

the cav sucks

[stark rain]

Yo guys think I'm gonna win?

[versed palm]

NO

[clever shuttle]

omfds i just beat yalls ass im not in the mood for another world war fuccking shit dude

[lost nymph]

Hey Guys is there a way to make the ai more challenging? I mean for sure a mod but have you guys maybe so recommendations?

[clever shuttle]

bro its already enough challening

i was in war with the allies for 70 years and could not beat them so i just whitepeaced

thank you so much portugal

[sudden thistle]

Sheep’s mod

Or expert ai

[lost nymph]

I mean I don't complain about the challenge that is already there but I hate stupid ai. The ai in later games can't advance at all because they stack so many units on the tiles that there is no supply for anyone and the entire game is then a stalemate

I am only 500h in and I never played a Mayor till yesterday so I am up for something else 🤣

[clever shuttle]

@daring geyser do u see this??? I was at war with them for 70 years and i just whitepeaced them for vietnam and wanted to end the game peacefully. But then somehow Portugal just declared on me with 0 world tension and started world war 4 and took the allies in the war. Im so done the allies are to op

[iron iron]

Is that a mod or did you make it

To 1995 on hoi4

[clever shuttle]

that is just regular late game

[iron iron]

1995 is super duper late game

Most world conquers end at 1960 from what I’ve seen

[clever shuttle]

yeah i but the allies have so many units late game

[iron iron]

Ik

Why u gotta cap em early

Like 1940 or 1937 depending on ur country

France you can cap uk 1938 easy

With la resistance

I’m NOT good at late game

Like to much units and shit

Barley can see

[clever shuttle]

i played manchukou and was at war with japan, communist china and nationalist china at once. then right after soviet attacked me

[lost nymph]

I mostly play late game only, haha

[iron iron]

You moving like von

[late valley]

In hoi 4 terms do yall think we are in the fire rises timeline lol

[iron iron]

no

[clever shuttle]

yeah bro the allies had 200 million dead and me 10 million dead but i wanted peace so i made an decision to whitepeace them cuz i owned vietnam. Some weird thing i got from an focus

[sudden thistle]

Not at all

[late valley]

Hmm what timeline do u think we are in

[sudden thistle]

Idfk

[late valley]

great answer

[lost nymph]

the timeline half to cyberpunk for sure, the genre,..

[vague abyss]

pew

[crude field]

ok

[lost nymph]

I really wish they would do something about armies that get stuck on enemy land and never get back unless we delete them and lose almost anything after the enemy get makes piece

[iron iron]

1-20 casualties is crazy effort

China manpower is crazy tho

Uniting all of China under all adults server is easy 40mil manpower

[clever shuttle]

nah bro the allies are the ones op, like portugal had 10 million dead but still had men

[iron iron]

Crazy

One thing that I FUCMING hate about hoi4

Is d-day

[late valley]

yeah ageeed

[iron iron]

It never is in 1944

Different every single time

Like yeah bro full scale d day invasion in late 1941

[tiny iris]

Guys, will I lose this general?

"Field Marshal

I rather not lose him.

He's good.

Can I save him?

[ivory hull]

iirc there actually is a way

to prevent the assasination

[tiny iris]

Dope.

[vague abyss]

hoi5 looking fire

[crude field]

every piece of the ui is a seperate dlc costing 30 euros apiece

[heavy vigil]

short for dopamine, btw

[lost nymph]

you forgot you only get one tree type and one enemy unit model per dlc and the base game only has 8

[vague abyss]

fr

[heavy vigil]

is this a new hoi4 mod

[vague abyss]

yeah

hoi4 space edition

[crude field]

ultimate deluxe expansion pass: blue space thing 30 euro

[vague abyss]

yeah

if u want other planets

another 30 EUR

want a focus tree for earth? 60 EUR but we will put it in a 100 EUR expansion pack with some free earth cosmetics

[crude field]

and then 5 years later mars will become part of the base game and u WONT get a refund

[vague abyss]

ngl though I agree with paradox making it paid and then free 5 years later, I disagree with people buying it 30 days prior or so then having to not get a refund

[crude field]

dlcs should be illegal ngl

same energy as monopolies

pay 100+ euro for one game should be a crime against humanity

[vague abyss]

not rlly

labour costs money

[crude field]

still

loads of games just update the game instead of making a dlc

[lost nymph]

Greece dont have an MRO for CV planes other then fighters, despite having + naval attack. Kinda love that we need to read everything twice...

[crude field]

raise the price of the game instead of making a new dlc

[vague abyss]

Okay and whos funding staff costs?

[misty fossil]

one thing i dont get is why we cant design intercontinental bombers

[vague abyss]

rt

fr

would be nice to see special projects get designers

[misty fossil]

yeah

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[misty fossil]

i mean land cruisers can be designed

[vague abyss]

fr

[misty fossil]

and supersonic jets

[lost nymph]

I still prefer fully fledged ad-dons. the real stuff, you cant tell me a DLC cost 10% less then the full base game

[vague abyss]

i mean u still get free content?

if u dont buy

[crude field]

plus plenty of games still have a business model without dlcs

[vague abyss]

paradox is a business not a charity its a business model.

[crude field]

wdym not a charity

paying for the game itself is enough

just like many other games

dont need 100 dlcs

[lost nymph]

I know some games that want almost the same money for a DLC as the base game, despite almost all of the content was AI created 😄

[vague abyss]

u pay for the game, get free updates and content

[crude field]

yes

[vague abyss]

and the game is years old

ur not entitled to anything more then what u already had free

[crude field]

yes but dlcs shouldnt cost anything

[vague abyss]

u can enjoy the dlcs without paid content

[crude field]

should just be an update

base game hoi4 is unplayable they do that on purpose

[vague abyss]

okay but whos covering over likely £300,000 a year in staff costs

then theres also the fact paradox needs to profit

[crude field]

the game itself

like any other games company who doesnt use dlcs

[vague abyss]

the game covers whats already IN the game + free updates + patches

u get free content with dlc's even if u don't buy

ur also able to play it in MP with people that own the dlc.

paradox does more than enough

[lost nymph]

na man, where is my custom KEY layout ?

[crude field]

why cover for corporate greed

[lost nymph]

I dont know many games that dont let you customize that

[crude field]

other companies can do it without dlcs so can paradox

[lost nymph]

there are still bugs from the 1.0 in this game. Why?

[vague abyss]

paradox isn't been greedy, but it needs to profit its a businss.

[crude field]

first time people would also be more inclined to buy the game if it had everything in it instead of having to buy it and 10 other dlcs

[vague abyss]

i think there cosmetic packs etc are overpriced but I wouldn't say its being paraslop

what other games do u have that include dlcs?

[crude field]

cosmetic packs are fine but the actual content being left out is a big no no

[lost nymph]

what about the latest DLC? what was that price hike all about?

[vague abyss]

I think the price hike is too much yeah

[lost nymph]

Paradox needs to cover their cost. many of the latest big games for them failed haaaard

[vague abyss]

they need to lower the prices but that doesn't mean they need to give out free content.

[lost nymph]

Buut what is it all about fuking shareholders. There are not really a companies that make good products when they are keeping pressure from that side all the way.

[solemn flume]

I do believe hoi is long overdue for a manpower overhaul - for example, introduce the system of "trained reservists" in addition to "manpower", base production penalties not on the conscription law but on the amount of reservists in training and deployed troops. Have the ability to rapidly train divisions from the reservist manpower pool and slowly (as it is now) from the untrained civilian pool

[sudden thistle]

Ehhh

Their entire business model is DLC

[vague abyss]

yup

[lost nymph]

for sure but what I really want are some QOL features

[sudden thistle]

I think eu4 is around the age of hoi4

[ivory hull]

is there any way to fix this? im not doing any decisions

[sudden thistle]

And they have like $500 worth of dlc

[lost nymph]

this game still feels like a dino in therms of how good the interface is

[vague abyss]

yeah the dlc's are overpriced defo

they need to learn from reviews that if they fail to fix products in their first dlc's people will just say "its too expensive we will wait" and continue failure means no one buys it at all and the ones that do review bomb

overall long term less financially stable of a product.

[lost nymph]

I really dont understand why this here is still not fixed.

[solemn flume]

For example, while preparing for war, instead of just slowly pumping manpower into your army and increasing army size, you would train civilians into reservists, which would "lend" some equipment from the stockpile (old ones go first) and impose production penalties if too many are being trained at once

[ivory hull]

you get production penalties if you up your recruitment law to a certain point

[vague abyss]

time to go eat

what to make hmm

[solemn flume]

Yes, and I'm proposing to disband this mechanic, probably even remove the whole concept of "conscription law", instead cramming it into economy mobilization and giving decisions that increase manpower in wartime

What does it change when 20% of your population are "potential conscripts" if only 2% are actually serving? Those people are still living their civilian life, working in factories, they aren't even undergoing training

[ivory hull]

they still are being conscripted into the manpower pool

so they arent potential

they are conscripted

just not serving on the frontline

[snow rain]

what's to be fixed ?

[lost nymph]

look at the trickleback , this is broken since forever

[snow rain]

oh, indeed

[lost nymph]

there are is also other text that is overlapping for other stats

[snow rain]

that's likely an issue that came with by blood alone dlc btw

because that's the one that introduced war support reduction due to casualities, so they added the reduction of ws losses to the company stats, and forgot about the statsheet

[heavy vigil]

bro i cant even read the speed in divisions XD

[lost nymph]

this is not as bad but also not really aligned for example ..

[heavy vigil]

last image i sent but speed is just not readable most of the time lol

[lost nymph]

I am not sure because I dont play the game anymore in german but I remember that most stats are really bad to read because they dont fit.

[snow rain]

they should just abreviate the stats and put a tooltip with complete desc when you hover over it

[heavy vigil]

HP is already abbreviated

[lost nymph]

yeah like that, if you play the game not in EN then you cant read what the stat is because of .... , what?

[snow rain]

like : soft atk, becomes just "soft" under an attack subcategory or just called soft atk

[heavy vigil]

idk the entire layout is a bit clunky and hardly accessable

[lost nymph]

this seems also common, to many civs to fit the box. haha

[heavy vigil]

meh thats whatever

[cedar lance]

hello casey

[formal harness]

Sorry if I ask this out of the blue, but is there a way to keep the ping from reaching thousands when playing MP?

[heavy vigil]

hellooo

[heavy vigil]

better internet, being closer together, mods that remove stuff

[lost parcel]

hmm

[formal harness]

Really? That's all? Thanks

[cedar lance]

wassup

[heavy vigil]

existing wbu

[limpid field]

people told me this is rare

[cedar lance]

im good aswell casey

btw whats a good starter nation to play as in hoi4?

[limpid field]

all of them

[cedar lance]

what

[little owl]

aight

I will try again but

[lost nymph]

I dont think so haha thry to start tibet or something like that compared to italy haha

[little owl]

A liiiiiiittle bit different

[heavy vigil]

make a bunch of the 6 inf guys

to hold line

[little owl]

Line holders right?

Yea

Ok

[heavy vigil]

you can play as you want just make sure to have guys out

[little owl]

And then stack on a few of the hohei mfs to push

[heavy vigil]

you have 15

thats like plenty of pushing units imo

[little owl]

Yeah usually I need like 3-4 full armies by the time I'm done with China

[heavy vigil]

well you can ditch them post china

they suck

and make like marines and stuff instead

[little owl]

Yeye

I usually redo all my templates as soon as the war's over

Turn them all into 16w inf and rangermarines and such

[heavy vigil]

awesome

[little owl]

Do I even bother with mountaineers?

Lowk probably only useful against India but I usually get by with the rangermarines against AI Raj

[heavy vigil]

if u want to push india

[little owl]

Yeah

[heavy vigil]

they also get reduced combat width

which is really good

[little owl]

Planning on getting the jungle bonuses for rangers and ofc need the marine buffs

BTW is it possible to exfiltrate from a province if the division is not FULLY made up of marines?

Like 6 marines + 12 rangers

[ivory hull]

you need to have a full div of marine commandos for that

[little owl]

Ah ok

So I might as well go the other branch in the tree

Ooooook hopefully I finish China by like early '38

Then kill Allies by '40/41 and THEN fight America AFTER the Allies

[heavy vigil]

never tried because i dont use the silly marines

[lost nymph]

the other branch gives you a ton of special forces anyway...

[little owl]

It'd be kinda funny if I got to core most of Asia by the time I fight my friend on the US lol, or puppet most of Asia

Optimal puppetting is to puppet as many countries as possible for more factories right? Through the generic focus

[heavy vigil]

idk

[woeful knoll]

belgium

[cedar lance]

alr

[woeful knoll]

jk

[cedar lance]

i usually mostly play Estonia

[woeful knoll]

if ur good at that

try monarchist lithuania and fascist latvia

both very fun

[cedar lance]

alr

i usually take out baltics first

then finland and sweden

and then wait till 40/41 to attack ussr

with my german allies

[limpid field]

is that a real man

[strong belfry]

lol what mod was dat

[limpid field]

worse

thats vanilla

[grizzled zenith]

I HATE THIS BUG SO MUCH

This is the 2nd time it happened to me in this peace conference

I can't leave it

[strong belfry]

good easteregg

[molten forge]

Anyone got a good video to learn division templates?

[lapis snow]

pinned messages over in #ask-for-help-here

segl on yt is also good for understanding stuff

[fringe spruce]

why are the great war redux focus tree so small?

i downloaded the wrong mod or is like that

[ivory bronze]

Hello

[warm falcon]

eh

how i got -300k weapons

i was with 400k plus last time i watched

a small encirclement

[noble pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-26826812

wtf bruh

no supply hubs

[warm falcon]

cuz i cut it off

[noble pawn]

what a country are you playing?

[warm falcon]

japan

[noble pawn]

great kamikadze bombers

[warm falcon]

no

[noble pawn]

bombing supply hubs

[warm falcon]

i shoot rockets at them

[noble pawn]

oh sheesh

have you 200+ mil + civ factories yeah?

form china

[cursive stag]

Hi, who thinks Great War Redux is bad now ?

[warm falcon]

all cores too

[spiral sphinx]

👍

[noble pawn]

well

what a mod?

[warm falcon]

no mod

[noble pawn]

oh sheesh

[warm falcon]

asia is just lacking steel

[spiral sphinx]

deutsch 😭

[noble pawn]

what a noobs

lol

wait

WAIT

BRO ON USSR HAD A REVOLUTION?

[warm falcon]

ye

i play non-historic

[noble pawn]

BRUH WHY HE'S PLAYING SINGLEPLAYER WAY

[warm falcon]

why wouldnt i?

[noble pawn]

-100+ civs and mil factories

The better way

in mp

is historical

way

you will have in 1941 already 430+ mil + civ factories

[warm falcon]

and?

[noble pawn]

he pooped his country

[cursive stag]

what path ?

[warm falcon]

does every hoi4 player has to play mp even if he doesnt like it?

[warm falcon]

the pro kohoda i believe, the neutral one

[merry compass]

Guys i need some help😭

[pastel urchin]

he meant to play ussr historically in mp

[warm falcon]

ye but what has it to do with me

[pastel urchin]

brother what

[warm falcon]

its nice that you can have many civs and mils at a certain year with some nations in mp

but i dont really care about anything that can be in mp xD

[pastel urchin]

brother he was just nvm

[grizzled zenith]

LUXEMBOURG STRONK

[warm falcon]

ik, but what he said didnt made any sense to me in the current context

[woeful knoll]

sovierbros, its never been more over

[iron iron]

Where you playing as Estonia or Finland

[woeful knoll]

to try it out

its actually pretty fun

im estonia

[iron iron]

Aight

Time to play Germany for the 144th time

[molten forge]

can i join in a mp with you?

[clever shuttle]

my empire is shattered, my army defended heroically but after 70 years of constant fighting i gave up. they took parts of my empire and parts of japan. But after the allies big death toll they started to lean to more extremic views. Usa turned communist and France is in the brink of civilwar. Maybe i can avenge myself one last time.

[woeful knoll]

Use the power of the thunder dragon

~annex all

[clever shuttle]

i wish but ironman

[daring geyser]

bro

[woeful knoll]

ykw

try using the spy agency

as u said france is on the brink of civil war

[clever shuttle]

i do already

[crude field]

ngl they need to balance hoi4

trying to do a campaign and us joins the allies or mexico is the most annoying thing

there should be easier white peaces or sum cus why is there only a peace deal if u have to take guatemala cos its a major

[spiral gorge]

good french start

[ivory hull]

the ai having no chance against the player is the bigger problem id say

[ivory hull]

taking the uk before germany probably wouldve been better

[spiral gorge]

yeah

[ivory hull]

you might be able to third party germany tbh

[spiral gorge]

I think take the Benelux to rush Germany from the north while it is occupied by the Czechs

[ivory hull]

yea

and then get uk

[vague abyss]

uh oh

-# i say in british

[solid prairie]

is there a way to safe this?

[ivory hull]

yes

[vague abyss]

sigh half of ur generals are half capped, put those divs into the few generals rather than multiple, show us ur template

[solid prairie]

? this is my first time playing this game

[vague abyss]

don't play germany, watch tutorials

[solid prairie]

This was the tutorial

[iron iron]

Are you new or an old save or a mistake or sum

Just like defeat everyone

That’s the Strat

[lost nymph]

try it slow, maybe take italy. they are also powerful and you learn the basics fast because you start with a war already and have the resources to overpower the enemy pretty easy.
Germany is way to much for a beginner.

You can also start with a minor power and can build it up and not be overwhelmed with stuff from all sides and everything at once.

[iron iron]

Real hoi4 players start as Germany

Ww1 Germany is so much more easier (I’m definitely hundred percent NOT lying)

[solid prairie]

Hm

[iron iron]

All jokes aside Romania is very good

[iron iron]

It is a lot harder I’m joking

[lost nymph]

I am german, I have 400-500h on the clock so not that much. I am german and I never played Ger and I probably never will

[solid prairie]

But why are the Neterlands so strong

[iron iron]

Good starting army meh industry you can flip communist democrat or facist

[iron iron]

There not

[solid prairie]

oh

hm

[iron iron]

They are one of the weakest in the game

Start as Italy

[iron iron]

The have a focus tree to cap czesk, Bulgaria, turkey, Yugoslav

[crude field]

funnest country in the game until u overplay it btw

[iron iron]

Definitely

[lost nymph]

dunno man I played only minor powers until a day or so

[iron iron]

After like 350hr of playtime I’m learning to cap the ussr

And I’m not ass

I can cap Germany and all of Europe as France

Cap uk

Dominate majority of the world as Germany

[solid prairie]

i played italy before i couldnt get Ethiopia

[molten forge]

is this bad for cheap tanks?

[iron iron]

But the ussr

[crude field]

do u do napoleon as frnace

[iron iron]

Yes

What nation

[iron iron]

Yes

[molten forge]

i wanna find a template for greece

[iron iron]

Without him France is ass

[crude field]

make it at least 18 width

[molten forge]

and i took this one from germany

[restive sable]

best french path without a doubt

[iron iron]

I’ve played Greece like once

[solid prairie]

is buthan easy to start with?

[molten forge]

just tell me what to change or add

[iron iron]

What oath is good that isn’t Napoleon there so ass

[lost nymph]

you dont have to but this shows you need to learn the very basics

[iron iron]

Don’t ask me I don’t know cheap

I always play strong nation or change my templates when my nation is strong

[iron iron]

When I was new thst happened to me aswell

Your not alone ❤️

[molten forge]

i just wanna have a tanks as greece bruv

[iron iron]

Ask someone else

[solid prairie]

guys what do i do with my netherlands problem now can i buy gas

[restive sable]

the democratic one where you make a faction with the little entente members is good i suppose

but not nearly as fun as napoleon

[iron iron]

Didn’t work at all for me

[iron iron]

Tomorrow I will make a video and send it to you showing how to start off

[solid prairie]

can i gasify them

[iron iron]

But it’s 1am and I can’t play my oc

Pc

[lost nymph]

the fastest way to learn the game is really to watch some tutorials on YT. Not 4year old tutorials more like a year old ones for your specific problem

[iron iron]

Add me I’ll show make a tutorial tommorow

[restive sable]

that and actually playing the game

[crude field]

or watch a good hoi4 streamer

because it shows u every little detail

[molten forge]

forgot i wacth those ima just get one from there

[solid prairie]

wait poland is back

[restive sable]

warsaw uprising? idk

[vague abyss]

u need to learn the game before playing germany

[solid prairie]

Yes Yes i can still win tho

[zenith charm]

nah bro it sucks

4 focuses is not it

[crude field]

is there any easy af playthroughs to map paint / world conquest any broken minors

[restive sable]

it's strong

and it's fun

[zenith charm]

how is it strong

[restive sable]

the national spirit you get at the end of it is good

from what i remember

[zenith charm]

the war goal justification speed reduction and 2% recruit pop thing?

[proud tapir]

unhistorical and everyone around you going commie is like putting everything on black and getting red

Me,Germany against everyone in Europe

[restive sable]

happened in my argentina game yesterday

[spiral gorge]

you are dead bro

[restive sable]

every major except italy went communist

[molten forge]

do you know a good youtuber to get some tank division templates from?

[restive sable]

the US stayed democratic and just does nothing

[zenith charm]

you just gave me an idea im gonna do hist germany game but set on gamerules every country in europe to go commie

[proud tapir]

imagine if the US ai went full cold war mode and started attacking all the communist countries

[molten forge]

hello?

[proud tapir]

[molten forge]

hey bro

[restive sable]

not really no

[crude field]

30 width is perfect for tank

if ur low on equipment and u just want tanks do 18 width

[molten forge]

i just dont know what division design would work on light tanks

[crude field]

wdym

its just light tanks and mot for org

its pretty intuitive

[molten forge]

like would this suck or

its just am working with like 2 dlcs not all

[crude field]

ye its alr

[molten forge]

and none affect tanks

[crude field]

main thing is your combat width can fit into the tiles you fight in

and keep org defo above 30 at the very least