hoi4-general

[knotty vortex]

im pushing 200 hours and uh

i dont think ive ever won as a minor

[heavy vigil]

thats fine

[knotty vortex]

i think id be able to get like 2 of these out with special forces cap

i genuinely have no clue how people get special forces cause the cap always screws me over

[heavy vigil]

then use 2

[knotty vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flight-yikes-flight-meme-gif-12822158462297009384

is that

a good idea

[heavy vigil]

if thats how many you can afford then yes

other production should go towards units to hold the line/ports

or air

[knotty vortex]

hmm what nation to play

maybe ill do polish litho commonwealth

but then the USSR will just massacre me hmm

[heavy vigil]

you can play ahist

it wont be as balanced team wise or scripted

[knotty vortex]

that did not go well

in my greece one

[heavy vigil]

its okay, losing is part of the game

[knotty vortex]

i declared on turkey, they had no guarantees

KINGDOM OF ITALY JOIN???

[heavy vigil]

grow beyond and learn

[knotty vortex]

and i just lost cause i had no troops left in greece

so italy just took it easily

how was i supposed to predict italy would join

[heavy vigil]

so in the future youd need some units to hold that

once they join you have weeks to get into positions

[sudden thistle]

Play like the AI and have troops everywhere

[knotty vortex]

i had like 20 divs

[heavy vigil]

strat redeploy lets you move fast

20 is a lot

you only need like 4 for ports

in greece

[knotty vortex]

okay maybe i do just suck then

[knotty vortex]

it wasnt ports

italy took albania

[heavy vigil]

then theyre encircled

[knotty vortex]

so they had a border

[heavy vigil]

okay thats a 3 tile border

4-6 units still

with no port guards

to hold it

[knotty vortex]

my units were in turkey 😔

ill do polish litho commonwealth i guess

and just see how it goes

[heavy vigil]

so this tells you you should always have a force available for redeploymenyt

even if small

for poland that should be like 12 units not counting ussr/german borders

those need 24-48 minimum to stall

and if you dont have that, then holding the border isnt viable

and youll have to find smaller chokepoints/rings of rivers

[knotty vortex]

im gonna play litho

cause germans wont get mad

over danzig

wait its ahist

which means they may or they may not

[heavy vigil]

this is why you must prepare remotely for the unexpected

[knotty vortex]

ill try

ill do poland

cause better industry from day 1

if i die then ill just dig myself into a pit and cry or something

[heavy vigil]

200 hours for hoi is considered new due to how hard it is to initially learn

youre doing great

[knotty vortex]

its just fun

and addicting

[heavy vigil]

i believe in you <3

[knotty vortex]

i need templates

what do i even compose and army off

defensive armys and then offensive ones?

[heavy vigil]

defensive can be slop

[knotty vortex]

i mean i usually just make 18 width infantry with art 😔

[heavy vigil]

8 or 9 inf with support arty, maybe AA if rich, maybe rangers if more rich

[knotty vortex]

thats what i usually do

without AA

[heavy vigil]

everything else kinda irrelevant unless youre swimming in factories

[knotty vortex]

cause expensive

[heavy vigil]

they shouldnt attack

[knotty vortex]

i need an attacking one then

[heavy vigil]

you should do AA if you have no airforce and are expecting to fight enemies with an airforce

[knotty vortex]

attacking ones seem to be the hardest to make

[heavy vigil]

use mountaineers

something like this is the easiest attack div to make

[knotty vortex]

and what do i do about the sf cap

[heavy vigil]

make more holders

or you can exploit it

[lethal ether]

is this good kd ratio

[heavy vigil]

but general rule is that youll need more guys anyway

[knotty vortex]

how do i do this lol

[heavy vigil]

.

[fallen hearth]

does anyone know this country tag id?

[heavy vigil]

tag vin

[knotty vortex]

so if i make defensive guys i can have more attacking guys?

[heavy vigil]

yes

[fallen hearth]

doesnt work

[heavy vigil]

ino?

inc?

[knotty vortex]

okay good start!!!

[heavy vigil]

its road tags so idk

[fallen hearth]

both doesnt work

shi

[heavy vigil]

you can do debug

then hover over with mouse while holding i think control or alt

[fallen hearth]

oh yeah true

that tag was "fri"

crazyy

[heavy vigil]

ohh french indochina

makes sense

[fallen hearth]

and i cant white peace them

sabdabdadb

[knotty vortex]

how do i get flame tanks as a nation like poland

do the facilities take forever

answer is yes

[heavy vigil]

make one day 1

[fallen hearth]

btw does anyone know a mod that remove these things

[knotty vortex]

ive started making 1

[heavy vigil]

civ eco doesnt debuff construction speed on them

so you make them early since its less punishing

compared to later when factories are better

[knotty vortex]

i got a 10% construction boost from 4 year plan aswell

wait kingdom of poland can ally with wilhem III

sweet

[lethal ether]

why remove them they are great

[fallen hearth]

i dislike them

[lethal ether]

u want to fight in the middle of africa?
in the desert

[fallen hearth]

i meant just in europe and brasil

i hate fighting in asia and africa

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[fallen hearth]

this annoys me

[lethal ether]

fighting in asia is so nice, once you build a supply hub you litteraly walk over anything

[lethal ether]

thats why switzerland didnt get invaded irl

[fallen hearth]

they declared war on me

LMAO

[lethal ether]

thats crazy

coughing baby vs thermonuclear bomb

[fallen hearth]

i refused their demands on sum random piece of my country

liechstein also had that demand

that's why i like demand it mod

dawg

so i help him in the civil war

and he declares war on me

[modest condor]

Look at that yooo

Luxemburg max

Easy

[west jungle]

why do the french own southern france?

[fallen hearth]

civil war and french guarantee on the checz

[west jungle]

oh ok

[mental mantle]

HQ Division

[dull nebula]

bradars

i need players

for my hearts of iron 4 game

intense game

with easy mod

dm bradars

[vital cove]

should i give Pakistan to Afghanistan

ok it'll be funny, worth it

[knotty vortex]

2 YEARS MOUNTAINOUS REPUBLIC OF DAGESTAN!!!

[wooden elbow]

yo bro can I join your game

@dull nebula

[knotty vortex]

how do you unlock the 5th slot down

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

This is basically them

[crude field]

respect playing dagestan

[safe wing]

“Why won’t you die”
“Mountain geography son”

[knotty vortex]

im not

[knotty vortex]

peak

[crude field]

reverse curls >

[knotty vortex]

russia is having a really good time

[crude field]

when civil war ends rush russia

easy win

[turbid thorn]

how to be faction leader

[thorny escarp]

EARTH IS FLAT

[jovial laurel]

Guys is this normal?

[snow rain]

ahist countries doing ahist stuff ? yeah it's normal

[knotty vortex]

why do i never breakthrough on these sorts of areas

i just can never do it

[ivory hull]

forest and river crossing

[knotty vortex]

thanks i see that now

i always forget terrain

[snow rain]

you're attacking a wall of divs with divisions unfit to attack

[final sigil]

[snow rain]

click on the bubble and show the stats

[thorny escarp]

[knotty vortex]

i have no clue what to use for offence man it sucks

i tried this but its just not working

[snow rain]

not nearly enough breakthrough on any divs
and not enough soft atk in general

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcp1ooD_YqY

for correct offensives, you want divs with at bare minimum 200HP, 30 org and 200 breakthrough. Then, as much soft atk as you can
pay attention to combat width as well

[knotty vortex]

so what do i make

[snow rain]

and use useful companies like medium flame tank and light armored recon to get breakthrough on inf/special forces
other recons are useless, except rangers which is fine is low ic scenarios

[snow rain]

got no step back DLC ?

[knotty vortex]

i have all the dlc

[snow rain]

then you can do special forces, atk inf, atk mech or tanks

[knotty vortex]

im doing special forces

[languid wing]

bro vanilla and ai.... u just prod 400 500 fighter and 600 700 cas

[knotty vortex]

im trying that

[languid wing]

and whatever ur div can 2cw u can push them just prod fighter and cas

cas can push everything

[knotty vortex]

i clearly have green air

[snow rain]

but not enough CAS, and probably not good ones at that

[languid wing]

1xengine 3 self seal armor extra fuel 3(4xhmg)

[languid wing]

this is fighter

[knotty vortex]

im trying man

but it takes so much research and production

[snow rain]

either go for air, tanks or just spam special forces or good inf

specialize, don't diversify

[knotty vortex]

is this ok

[languid wing]

habsburg poland is strong btw first go agrarian reform and rush slot

[knotty vortex]

i tried with mountaineers

but the special forces cap is so stupid

[languid wing]

u can prod in 40 like 2k air

[knotty vortex]

i cant get any of them

[snow rain]

those weren't mountaineers made to attack though

[knotty vortex]

look

i got told theyre attacking divs

[languid wing]

nah mount can better attack then infantry

maybe try spacemarine

[snow rain]

#hoi4-general message
your theoretical stats on your divs aren't enough

especially since you're likely using old equipment with less stats in them too

[knotty vortex]

i guess

i just never get this right

200 hours of my life and i still cant make an attacking unit

[snow rain]

this is full doctrine, SF on gun 3

on gun 2 with half doctrines you'd have about 280 soft atk, 250 breakthrough and 400hp

that can attack

[knotty vortex]

but how do i get those tank divs

i literally cannot get my head around it

theyre SO expensive

in research

and production

[snow rain]

don't do tanks

[snow rain]

you don't need to

[snow rain]

NO

[languid wing]

what ? its spacemarine

[knotty vortex]

look you have the support companies

[languid wing]

just go line 1 antiair spg and ai cannot pierc ur armor

this is %50 advance and too cheap

[snow rain]

support companies are very cheap and don't take much research

it's around 400ic for recon and 250 for flame tank
a single factory on ft and 2 on light tanks (with full effi) can equip and sustain about 10 divs (as long as you don't die from attrition)

[knotty vortex]

flame tanks literally take AGES

[languid wing]

bro ai cannot pierc +10 just go 1 line antiair and spam cas

[snow rain]

for these designs, you need only the research for radio (which you do anyway), basic medium, basic light tank, 2 armor research (160 days) and it's even optional if you're limited, and the flamethrower research. That's it

[snow rain]

no ? build facility day 1, you have flame tanks by mid 1937

and you need a land facility on basically any nation anyway for flame tankls (terrain buffs and breakthrough stacking option) and for super heavy howitzer (if inf only) or armored vehicles (if tanks)

[knotty vortex]

and then ive gotta wait for the breakthrough point

[snow rain]

you gain them passively with scientists
you gain them with arty research, mot and mech, tank research

[sly venture]

idk what country to play anymore

can someone give me a suggestion

[languid wing]

donnt listen to this frenchman, my friend. If he were right, they wouldn't have been so easily defeated in ww2

[winged field]

ethiopia :>

[languid wing]

just spam cas and go armor ur infantry

[snow rain]

you build facility day 1, have it by april-may, have the research point by early 1937, have the project done 100 days later
without breaking a sweat or rushing anything

[winged field]

or albania

[sly venture]

something in the fun scale

[snow rain]

you can just spam CAS and skip armor day tbf

[winged field]

fun as in?

[sly venture]

idk Byzantium

[vocal agate]

can someone help me learn the game in like a duo server i know the basics

[knotty vortex]

lol have fun

[ivory hull]

play kaiserredux

[sly venture]

vanilla

[winged field]

go with that then, or non aligned european union

[ivory hull]

modded or vanilla?

[winged field]

cuz cool flag

[vocal agate]

does not matter to me

[sly venture]

I might do Italy world conquest

[winged field]

might as well form spqr

[languid wing]

bro in vanilla doesnt mean flame and break recon in light.just gain armor and attack by cas.if u have enought cas u can push everything

[vocal agate]

what should i focus on when i first load into a game

like infistructure?

[ivory hull]

military factories or civilian factories

[snow rain]

you don't need armor to push with CAS

[knotty vortex]

im gonna try this

[knotty vortex]

will this actually just like, beat everything

[winged field]

dont build infrastructure unless it has like bunch of resources that u need

[snow rain]

yup

[vocal agate]

im playing yugoslavia

[knotty vortex]

cause im so done with having awful units that cantpush

[sly venture]

as what country?

[vocal agate]

i get bored as france etc

[knotty vortex]

i just realised rangers are special forces so im going to have like 1 of them 💀

[winged field]

wdym?

[snow rain]

as long as you keep up with gun techs (guns 1940 are essential to any inf build anyway. It's 50% more soft atk, always rush them)

[languid wing]

yea but 5 prod cost and gain %50 much so effective

[sly venture]

depends on the country on what you need to focus

[knotty vortex]

how am i supposed to get multiple of those divs out

cause theyre special forces

[winged field]

like yeah thats why would you build infra in like a region with bunch of steel to get some extra more

idk buidling infrastructure for the sake of your unitss being a bit more faster is kinda meh

[snow rain]

spam inf on the side

good inf

[knotty vortex]

which are

[vocal agate]

can someone send me a good infatry div

[snow rain]

same template and companies but with inf

don't forget 1 line AA (reduce to 35width if needed) if you don't have air

[knotty vortex]

cause i had 96 inf out last time and could only get 4 of those mountaineer divs

[snow rain]

9inf, sup arty and aa for holding

[knotty vortex]

should i not just do this

[snow rain]

you can, but if you want lots of special forces with countries that don't have special forces modifiers, you'll need big inf

remember that you'll be able to push with verything though

[knotty vortex]

wait so i can push with the inf too?

[snow rain]

if you have the correct support companies AND guns 2 (in the actual divs, not just in research)yes

[sly venture]

just spam space marines

[knotty vortex]

is this ok?

[snow rain]

that's how broken are support companies

[lost nymph]

this looks so funny to me

[snow rain]

don't produce that much guns 1 or arty 1
you'll need trains (armored trains if no air)
you'll need trucks
you'll need support equipment

all of which don't ever become obsolete

[languid wing]

I dont understand why you are against space marines. basically, infantry shouldn't be used for pushing

[knotty vortex]

better?

[snow rain]

the mil on arty is enough
keep 2-4 on guns, go up to 20 when you have gun 2 (rush it, use the focuses buffs)
rest on trucks, trains and support

[snow rain]

I'm not against spacemarines but you should know that his kid of template also works as an armor meme with ai #hoi4-general message

[knotty vortex]

okay ill try

[snow rain]

and it's abusing game calculations which everyone isn't into that

[knotty vortex]

lmao i have enough of maths at college

[snow rain]

gotta go for now, just don't forget : only build mil factories, you won't have time to enjoy civs you're building (takes 3-4 years to pay off)

[knotty vortex]

i never build civs lol

[languid wing]

lmao paradox can fix it man its not hard.But always they going new dlc and make money!

hoi4 community > developers

vanilla isnt playable.everyones using mods.

[fringe spruce]

Guys, i want to play a funny run of hungary, i got the dlc, whats better, dlc or road to 56

[errant arch]

Dlc

[fringe spruce]

what was the dlc for hungar

no step back right

idk if i should go austria hungary or great hungary

[knotty vortex]

what is the tank icon second from the right?

[winged field]

Austria Hungary more crores
Greater Hungary better Hungary

[halcyon pasture]

how do I push into a lake tile? they're at 95% capped but need 97% for a peace deal lmao

[heavy vigil]

cannot

[halcyon pasture]

so I'm at war with a lake

brb sending nukes at the lady of the lake

cant even nuke a lake smh

[sudden thistle]

How quick did u cap them?

Did u take EVERY other province?

[halcyon pasture]

yeah. literally just the nation of Chad

just 1 random lake tile left lol

I'll just wait til they join a faction idc

too Chad to cap alone apparently

[sudden thistle]

(Cheat)

[halcyon pasture]

(but this is how I can grind war score for the next one)

[azure palm]

Im taking bets. How much longer will Austria hold?

[winged field]

5 Schnitzels

[azure palm]

On what?

[winged field]

that they hold

[azure palm]

If you guess the year you get the schnitzels

[winged field]

hmmm

[azure palm]

they will fall at some point

but when?

[winged field]

what is current year

[azure palm]

46

[winged field]

47 ig

[azure palm]

Okay

theyve been at war with germany since 1938 btw

they just made a nuclear strike against osaka

wtf

[cerulean lynx]

was zum

[azure palm]

taking bets

[cerulean lynx]

I'm betting my wiener that they don'tt die

[azure palm]

you say the wont die at all?

[cerulean lynx]

nah, they are fighting against AI right?

[azure palm]

yes

AI against AI

[cerulean lynx]

yea

i think they will survive

till you end the game

[azure palm]

so you say its gonna be a permanent stale mate?

[cerulean lynx]

yuh

[azure palm]

Theyre at the gates of vienna!

[surreal urchin]

:]

[mighty zephyr]

the guide i was looking at literally said they would always decline and told me to prepare for war. They accepted lmfao

[halcyon pasture]

oop

[surreal urchin]

there is always a chances

[azure palm]

apparently they do that when france doesnt guarantee them

happend to me yesterday

[fair horizon]

Hit them again

[azure palm]

austria has lost

In June 1948

[peak latch]

Someone wanna hop on and help on hoi4 didnt play the game since 6 months and need someone to get me back in the meta and shit

[azure palm]

maybe ask the helper team? I think theyre here for helping with the game itself.

[jade ore]

#ask-for-help-here

[sudden thistle]

ez

[viscid mason]

what map mod are you using?

[sudden thistle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3491928466

[viscid mason]

thanks

[lethal ether]

how did they have the manpower?

what!

[fallen garnet]

is there a way for getting rid of the disjointed government spirit, without becoming communist?

[crude grotto]

scraping the barrel

[azure palm]

yes

doing the democratic path for example

[fallen garnet]

which focus is it?

[azure palm]

I gave them extreme buffs at the start of the game and wanted to watch if they could defeat germany

[fallen garnet]

I can only find force the issue

[lethal ether]

austrias population is like what, 8 million? i feel like not even then would it be enough to sustain casualties

[fallen garnet]

and thats communist

[azure palm]

it isnt

[azure palm]

maybe try doing any monarchist path?

They force you to get rid of the spirit

the focus after constitutional revision

[crude grotto]

france lwkirk sucks

[fair horizon]

france is the single strongest major

[crude grotto]

nah

[fallen garnet]

yeah thats the communist path aint it?

[fair horizon]

you can get rid of it without going communist

[azure palm]

no, thats monarchist

[azure palm]

germany is stronger

USA

japan

china

britain

the only one thats weaker is like italy

[crude grotto]

not even bro

italy with a tiny bit of setup clears france

[fair horizon]

france starts out with the most tech and one of the biggest armies

[crude grotto]

they have no industry

[fair horizon]

????

what

[crude grotto]

they have like 5 mils

[azure palm]

and france doesnt have that much potential

germany clears europe

[fallen garnet]

nvm I cant find that focus, I have la resistance tho

[azure palm]

china can clear asia if they defeat japan

reverse for japan

[crude grotto]

delusional frenchoid over here

[fair horizon]

HEY

CENSOR THAT

[azure palm]

the USA has absolute potential

and the UK can core the entire commonwealth

[fair horizon]

also france starts with heavy tanks and howitzers so

[crude grotto]

that dont mean shit if you cant build them

they take wayyyy longer to snowball

[fair horizon]

play them

[azure palm]

france is a weak major

[crude grotto]

i have

they suck

[fair horizon]

they start with more divs than any major

[steep rampart]

How do I play ksp

[crude grotto]

okay?

[azure palm]

I am confident that some minors could crush france

[azure palm]

and many of them are shit

[fair horizon]

thats the cool part

you can instantly change them

[crude grotto]

you have no guns brosquito

[azure palm]

and go into massive debt

gun debt

[crude grotto]

again, 5 mils

[fair horizon]

if you cant play hoi4 with 5 mils and a good civ industry you're ngmi

[crude grotto]

they have a mid civ industry too

[azure palm]

Its easy to play france

I conquerd europe with it multiple times

its just that france itself is weaker than the other majors

[fair horizon]

its not

[azure palm]

so you say playing germany, the nation that easily crushes france, is weaker than france?

[crude grotto]

"debating an idiot is harder than debating a smart person" -a smart person

[azure palm]

Or the USA, the nation that if it joins any war its probably gonna win it?

[azure palm]

a truly smart person

Or what about britain, who can core the entire god damn commonwealth?

Or China with infinite manpower?

[fair horizon]

and has a terrible focus tree

[crude grotto]

also shartillery is usless besides arti support companies

[azure palm]

Or Japan that can core all of Asia?

[fair horizon]

china isnt a major

[azure palm]

it is a major though

[fair horizon]

oh i did forget about the japan coring all of asia

[fair horizon]

its not

its a minor

[azure palm]

since when?

[fair horizon]

since forever?

[azure palm]

How is the nation with unlimited manpower not a major?

It crushes france

[crude grotto]

it starts as a minor

[azure palm]

weird

[fair horizon]

doesnt make it a major

[crude grotto]

it becomes a major pretty quickly though

[fair horizon]

you can have a thousand factories as the dominions but if you do a focus the game doesnt consider you a major

[crude grotto]

communist china is the strongest china too

[azure palm]

true

Its way easier to play them than to play nationalist

[crude grotto]

they're the one communist nation i actually enjoy playing

[fair horizon]

i like commie colombia

[azure palm]

the point is, france isnt a good major

[azure palm]

youre weird. Im sorry but youre weird.

[crude grotto]

if a faux major can slime you out you're not a good major

[fair horizon]

italy is not a major and i refuse to accept it

china is more of a major than them

[azure palm]

italy is a major

[crude grotto]

italy just takes some time to be really good

[azure palm]

they can get pretty strong

[fair horizon]

-40% factory output or w/e they get

terrible country

worse than romania

[crude grotto]

delusional franceoid

[fair horizon]

im an australia main

just ask casey

[crude grotto]

at least they have any amount of mils

[fair horizon]

and with their 12 mils they produce less than france yeah

[azure palm]

If I, a horrible hoi4 player, can conquer france, germany, russia, britain, japan, china and the USA with italy, then its not a bad country

[crude grotto]

nah that's a lie from big allies

[fair horizon]

if i an australia main can do multiple world conquests then its not a bad country /j

[azure palm]

there is a difference between being insane and being a horrible hoi4 player

[mellow nimbus]

what difficulty are you on

yk i find it funny

to answer a question

from like a year ago

with no context

[crude grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/folk-druski-sona-instagram-instagram-meme-gif-18271404859547050805

[azure palm]

Do you think I am good at hoi4?

I lost to greece

with twice as many divisions as them

[mellow nimbus]

oh

[crude grotto]

happens

[mellow nimbus]

i thought you were greece

[snow rain]

armor skirts, you unlock with 2nd armor research

[azure palm]

even the guys in the bittersteel discord just gave up on this save

[fair horizon]

what happened to half your army?

[azure palm]

encircled

[crude grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242808544059985990/1476237069759283322/togif-2.gif

[mellow nimbus]

is this ur 3rd game or smth

[azure palm]

I have over 1000 hours

[mellow nimbus]

happens to the worst and best of us

[crude grotto]

if the best of us were vegtables

[mellow nimbus]

this emoji

is amazing

make it an nft

[azure palm]

Im just horrible with very small fronts

[fair horizon]

how well do you understand navy?

[azure palm]

or just being massively outnumberd

[mellow nimbus]

the game im playing rn is insane

i tried to get the kaiser back from the netherlands

[crude grotto]

super heavy battleship spam!!!!

[mellow nimbus]

they said no so I declared war

[fair horizon]

carriers are more elegant

[sudden thistle]

Bro 😭

[mellow nimbus]

and then france and the uk declared war on me

[sudden thistle]

How does one lose this

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/akagi-azur-lane-my-beloved-meme-my-beloved-heart-gif-25042513

[mellow nimbus]

I defeated france even though I am dog water

[crude grotto]

but they arent as tuff

[azure palm]

more or less. Most of the time I build submarines for trade interdiction, super heavy battleships or battleships to crush normal ships and destroyers for screening and submarines

[whole matrix]

don't understand it at all, but somehow still wins at it

[mellow nimbus]

the uk is impossible

[fair horizon]

sub maker? ngmi

[vocal bolt]

I love line arty

they should buff it fr

hear me out

possible buff would be to give it piercing

overpressure is a thing and an artilerry shell will take out a tank

[crude grotto]

fartuah

[sudden thistle]

Check army spirits

[vocal bolt]

very well said

[vocal bolt]

am a brokie I dont have no step back

but also it being an amry spirit and not the units own stat is kinda bad

bc thats a whole slot gone for something it should have

[woeful knoll]

How do i get the democrats

Is ottoman path now impossible?

[vocal bolt]

simply dont play turkey

stupid tree

[woeful knoll]

no way they broke turkey 😭

[fair horizon]

MW > other crappy doctrines

[fair horizon]

wym?

[woeful knoll]

Democrat path is now no longer avalible

So u cant get ottomans

[fair horizon]

did you select all the other popups right?

[woeful knoll]

its the only popup

they added new turkey content but broke it lmao

[fair horizon]

oh lmao

[heavy vigil]

mmmmmm warno

[autumn plover]

How could you integrate special forces like the SAS into Hoi4?

Because having them as a regular unit on the map doesn't seem like it'd accurately reflect how they worked

[icy lion]

is this good or bad? the germans have breached parts of my massive fort line

[autumn plover]

Pretty bad

Especially since you have no troops in reserve

[icy lion]

oh the first few days looked good since it was mostly green but now i just deployed my back line troops to the front line

[autumn plover]

Did you spread all of your reserves across the entire front?

And did you commit all of them all at once?

[icy lion]

wdym

im hoping by winter they wont make it past my extended large stalin line

[crude grotto]

at ts point vroski just force attack them

youll probably win

[icy lion]

idk i seem to be losing a lot of defensive

also have low command power

[crude grotto]

you got that

[heavy vigil]

hoi4 is VERY bad at simulating tactical battles/missions and i cannot stretch that enough

[crude grotto]

you're playing stalin you're not supposed to play logically

[vocal bolt]

just bought no step back

poland time

[crude grotto]

nobody plays hoi4 to play a stratagey game

they play to LARP

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1381092967741132826/1393869908021874708/laaaaarp.gif

[loud shuttle]

Is this a good division?

[crude grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ye-shunguang-zzz-speed-speed-meme-zenless-zone-zero-gif-9689038175630226715

[heavy vigil]

mdmndhek

its so bad

[crude grotto]

why are we rockin tankies in a mountaineer div

[icy lion]

i was trying to play poland once and i forgot to click danzig thing in time so i had to cede it so i unironmanned to take it back and then loss

[loud shuttle]

Experimenting

[heavy vigil]

you just have no hp and your terrain debuffs are horrendous

[icy lion]

ok its august just gotta wait for general winter

[split bane]

https://tenor.com/view/soggy-cat-truth-nuke-goog-gif-7516053706308046353

[loud shuttle]

What if instead of geavy howitzers I put rocket arty.

?

[icy lion]

AHH MY DEFENSE IS MELTING

[crude grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076662425035751455/1491183135352950926/cook-the-man-who-couldnt-cook.gif

[crude grotto]

just run pure mountaineers

[vocal bolt]

ok so I think you can figure it out by yourself

[vocal bolt]

let me give you a hint

your mountaneers have negtive mountain bonuses

[crude grotto]

and do the doctrine tree

[loud shuttle]

Oh yea

Would this work with superior firepower?

[crude grotto]

with 8 mountaineer battalions and the support companies they can have like 300 soft attack each

[crude grotto]

GBP all the way baby

its so good

[icy lion]

bro germany probably has more divisions than the ussr somehow

[tawdry bolt]

im still losing to ethiopa as italy im tragic

[autumn plover]

I think the raids feature is a good way to integrate them tbh

[icy lion]

nono its normal ethipioa is a global superpower

[autumn plover]

They're not meant for prolonged engagements anyway, so the short hit and run attacks works very well

[tawdry bolt]

ah that makes sense

[loud shuttle]

How are people getting thousands of soft attack

In single

[tawdry bolt]

whats the best starter nation btw

[loud shuttle]

France

[autumn plover]

Germany's a good starter

[icy lion]

idk i at max maybe 200 with tanks

[autumn plover]

Got a lot of buffs, lot of resources, lot of manpower, lot of everything at the start

Pretty weak neighbors too, so you can expand really easily early on

[sharp sierra]

germany and soviets

[autumn plover]

No, Soviets are not very beginner friendly at all

They're way too huge, a new player will be easily overwhelmed

[tawdry bolt]

alright ill try germany

by starter i literally mean ive just downloaded the game too

[sharp sierra]

romania

[autumn plover]

Well first play the tutorials, they're not half bad, but for your first real game it's Germany all the way

[fair horizon]

mw heavy tanks ❤️

[autumn plover]

@tawdry bolt If you really wanna baptize yourself in fire, play Poland or Belgium

[tawdry bolt]

is it hard

[icy lion]

wait germany isnt guarding the north????

[autumn plover]

For a new player? Extremely

[icy lion]

maybe italy then

[autumn plover]

But you'll learn all the mechanics you'll need or die trying

[tawdry bolt]

i already tried italy and got cooked by ethiopia

[icy lion]

bc italy starts at war

[sharp sierra]

thats why i recommend soviets

[icy lion]

oh yeah that happened to me too dont put all ur divisions there

put like 1 army

otherwise youll starve them

[sharp sierra]

no you put all your army down there

[heavy vigil]

its mid

[tawdry bolt]

ive gotten most of the generic ideas down in combat im trash tho

i dont understand supply at all

[autumn plover]

Soviets are so big it just gets overwhelming, Poland and Belgium go to war way earlier and have a good amount of resources and manpower to work with

[icy lion]

basically high supply good low supply bad and theres no supply in russia or africa

[autumn plover]

Allows for them to more quickly learn the mechanics by starting new games after they get stomped

[sharp sierra]

but realistically its not much different than learning germany

germany is better obviouslyt cause its the main character of the game and you do more stuff earlier

[fair horizon]

ai dumb

[autumn plover]

Germany is safe because it's pretty hard to lose, as Poland or Belgium you'll need to use and squeeze out every advantage you can find just to survive

[icy lion]

yeah i cant see the front line at all

[heavy vigil]

germany is so bloated that ive seen many people win and not understand anything at all

[autumn plover]

I also just personally like turning Belgium into a huge bunker

[sharp sierra]

yea everything is catered to making you win as germany

[autumn plover]

10 billion dead Germans for every Belgian village

[icy lion]

except for italy

[little owl]

How long should it take for me to beat China as historical Japan?

Wanna know if I'm making good time or not

[autumn plover]

Historically? Never

[heavy vigil]

late 37 early 38 is meta

with full collabs

[icy lion]

idk i only played as china before

[little owl]

Holy...

[tawdry bolt]

should i go historical germany first

[little owl]

Ah

Are you supposed to do collabs?

[autumn plover]

It's not a bad choice

[heavy vigil]

yes for the eco

ASAP

[sharp sierra]

china is pretty easy to stomp now

[icy lion]

my front line is collapsing

[little owl]

Ah right

Fair

[autumn plover]

The USA's also a good starter

Pretty much has infinite of everything, teaches you naval, and you almost can't lose

[icy lion]

ive never played usa since i dont like 2 fronts

[little owl]

So if I start as Japan I immediately go for all the departments + 1 passive defense to get 2 operatives

Fastest I've done China is like mid-1938 no collabs

[heavy vigil]

3 with advisor

thats a fine time

[little owl]

Ok, I could put the advisor in my faction instead right?

Spymaster thing

If I have full collab please tell me I no longer have to get to Chongqing

One of my friends wants to duel Japan vs USA so I gotta git gud at Japan

Probably gonna go non-aligned for the crazy coring shit I can do

[heavy vigil]

too slow

you will need the advisor

[little owl]

Okok

[icy lion]

AHH THESE FONT LINES SUCK

[heavy vigil]

or you have to remake the spy network every time

[icy lion]

theres a hole in it

[heavy vigil]

also you dont even have a faction in time

[little owl]

True

[icy lion]

but im not in ironman so lemme capitulate germany rq

[little owl]

Should I bother with armoured units at all, even against a player US?

Thinking of just sticking with my good old rangermarines

[icy lion]

tank yummy

[little owl]

I sosososo badly wanna build heavy TDs to crush his heavies (he usually just makes normal heavies lol)

[sly venture]

I am trying to do Roman Empire without a video and this is genuinely impossible

the allies are guaranteeing every country I need

[heavy vigil]

you have 2 armored divs you can use vs china

[sharp sierra]

why dont you go to war with them and take what you need

[heavy vigil]

after that its like, you dont really have research since you need air and inf stuff and production

[little owl]

Yeye

Should I try to rush for nukes before my friend can get them that'd be kinda funny lol

[sly venture]

because they flood the country I want with +15 divisions

[sharp sierra]

what country do you want right now

what year is it

[sly venture]

turkey

1937

[little owl]

Bro you got time lowk

You'll need to fight them anyway

[sharp sierra]

are you justifying on them right now

[little owl]

France is pretty easy tbh

[sly venture]

no

[sharp sierra]

thats like an early starting move right after ethiopia is to attack turkey and romania

[heavy vigil]

i dont think youll win the race

[sly venture]

I got yugo then Albania then Greece and now I want turkey

[icy lion]

frontlines collapsing trying to prevent a 40 division encirclement

[sly venture]

I am thinking of when getting Greece doing war on Bulgaria taking them quickly

then puppeting the 2 up sides

[sharp sierra]

the conquering focuses are lame i wouldnt waste a lot of focus time on them and instead manually justify

[sly venture]

so I have a small boarder with Romania

[icy lion]

OH SHOOT IM GONNA USE THE CONSOLE COMMANDS

[sly venture]

then doing war with turkey and doing the Byzantium method

[icy lion]

ok im disbanding all the german units 🙂

[calm delta]

Hehe

Umm

[little owl]

I usually spend the 75pp to make zaibatsus influential for the free nuclear facility lol

I should also build an air and land facility right?

Radar and flame tanks couldn't hurt?

[sharp sierra]

flame tanks are basically a requirement

[little owl]

For navy I just light cruiser spam + shbb?

[calm delta]

Flame tanks are so fun to use

If you make em op aswell

[heavy vigil]

i always make a land facility in the state next to tokyo

air facility isnt relevant unless you want supersonics

[calm delta]

How you doing Casey ?

[heavy vigil]

which you dont have research/slots for so whatever

[little owl]

In Nagoya? Like, right after the game starts?

[little owl]

Lowk just want Radar

[calm delta]

These are fun

[icy lion]

deleted all the axis troops 🙂

[heavy vigil]

im doing okay

[calm delta]

Good

[heavy vigil]

i forgot the name but it has a dam

[little owl]

Yeye IK what you're talking about

[heavy vigil]

the pain

[heavy vigil]

also use your good general

most generals suck

you have 2 that are like not terrible

[little owl]

If I go kodoha how many do I have that are still good 💀

I wanna be able to core asia then slap the US lol

[heavy vigil]

Toshizō Nishio is the best one

[calm delta]

Some are decent tho

[heavy vigil]

most suck

[little owl]

Ok cool

[calm delta]

Yeah

[heavy vigil]

i mean if you want, i have like 0 ahist japan knowledge

im not very interested in playing it

[terse skiff]

Can't you just grind them in China?

[heavy vigil]

yeah but most are ungrindable

[little owl]

Non aligned Japan can core all of Asia as long as there's 50%+ compliance in that state

[heavy vigil]

so you have 2 that are

and i completely forgot the others' name

[terse skiff]

Like get the attack level up spirit and then watch them grow to 10 atk at lvl5

[heavy vigil]

well i know they core a lot and thats why im uninterested

its not that challenging and just broken

[little owl]

Ah

True... but against a US player, I need everything I can get 😭

Also cuz there's a secret path

[heavy vigil]

you can get more factories from non core anyway

[little owl]

Resources tho?

[heavy vigil]

the US is like a fake major

theyre broke

same for resources

[little owl]

Wait how do you get more from non core

[heavy vigil]

you have high compliance and then go like uh the special law, or liberated workers, or harsh quotas

[terse skiff]

Liberated worker

[heavy vigil]

and then its like 125%

[little owl]

Senbu?

[restive sable]

that's all of japan's ahistorical paths pretty much

[heavy vigil]

i believe so

[little owl]

Not communist buddhism iirc

That one was funky I liked it tho

[heavy vigil]

well yeah thats why ive only played democratic and just played tall

[restive sable]

pretty sure that's the only different one

besides like democratic

[little owl]

True

[restive sable]

you can choose to play tall as dem japan

[little owl]

Also I'm planning like, build civs to hit the minimum for another research slot, then immediately build the land and air facility, then... mils??? dunno

[restive sable]

all of japan's paths are really fun personally

i enjoy them

[heavy vigil]

im not very good at demo japan either so whatever

[little owl]

If I'm gonna duel my friend I think I HAVE to go non-aligned/fascist so I can fight him ASAP, he's some navy crackhead and I do NOT know navy

[terse skiff]

Can you just occupy China to get the final research slot?

[heavy vigil]

bro the US sucks in this game

their mils are terrible

they have no construction until you get china so you have just like more mil efficiency/output

better MIOs and admirals too

[little owl]

Wdym?

[terse skiff]

To get the civ count

[heavy vigil]

dont do civs :(

it hurts you a lot

especially if you wanna 1v1

[little owl]

Dunno actually

[little owl]

rly?

I usually greed a LOT lol

[heavy vigil]

yeah because factory count isnt the only thing that matters

mil factory efficiency is much more important

so is grinding MIOs for combat buffs and more production

[little owl]

So... I just build mils right after I get my land warfare facility out?

[heavy vigil]

yeah

itll help

i mean youll scale less so you should go to war by 40/41 latest

tho TBH the US scales so poorly it might not matter

and maybe if you both larp navy you make dockyards IDK

naval bombers are generally OP vs ships tho

[little owl]

I think he's a submarine spammer

Yeah I'm better with air lowk

[heavy vigil]

ok just make navs then

put fighters + navs over zones

[little owl]

Small airframe ok?

[heavy vigil]

fighters detect

navs kill

[little owl]

Fighters go on air sup or...?

[heavy vigil]

medium frame navs work better but yeah for japan you can use small

air supremacy

any flying plane spots, planes on naval strike do not fly until they have a ship spotted

either by boat or plane

[little owl]

Ah I see ok

[heavy vigil]

plane requires no battle so its better

[little owl]

Ohhh

Ok great

And other than that

I'll just light cruiser spam + a shbb or two probs

[heavy vigil]

keep navy in port

[little owl]

And wait until his subs are dead before taking a battle

Yea

[heavy vigil]

CL spam is probably best

do you get indonesia?

[little owl]

I think I've gotten pretty good at taking most of Asia

Including India

[heavy vigil]

if not, you have to get excav 4 and do oil in manchukuo

[little owl]

I can probably

Get Indonesia

[heavy vigil]

idk if sinkiang does their oil in vanilla

[little owl]

I annex them anyway lowk

[heavy vigil]

okay get it ASAP or you have no fuel

[little owl]

Gonna try another test run with all this feedback

Time to see how it goes

(Just against China for now)

I also usually tech juggle for electronic mechanical engineering then basic machine tools right off the bat

I think that's good...?

Also is there any way to NOT get unplanned offensive in China?

[stark wedge]

my bulgaria playthrough went well

[fair horizon]

navy is easy though

[heavy vigil]

hiii vendrip

[fair horizon]

omg casey hiii

[heavy vigil]

hru??

[fair horizon]

terrible i have to go to work

That means i cant start another australia playthrough and complain

[errant arch]

does cutting off supply like this even do anything?

[fair horizon]

Yes

They cant get more equipment

[errant arch]

so i should attack or wait?

[fair horizon]

They're probably always low on supply too

Attack

Once a unit cant move back a tile and it runs out of org it goes poof

[heavy vigil]

well yeah but notice how they have no units up north

you can just walk into there

the thing with argentina is you wanna rush war and no do silly stuff like mountaineers

because you just kinda need more guys early

to walk into the many many empty tiles

[errant arch]

i started with those

[heavy vigil]

the brazillian army takes like a gazillion years to get going

[heavy vigil]

why not make it inf

[errant arch]

i didnt know theyd war me so fast

[heavy vigil]

well thats good for you

[errant arch]

i took uruguay like sep 1936 and they warred me

[heavy vigil]

you excel at earlier wars

[fair horizon]

free defensive war

[errant arch]

why is that? sorry im still a noob sub 100 hours

[heavy vigil]

your scaling is rlly bad compared to brasil

[fair horizon]

get your desperate defense

[heavy vigil]

its just a balance of starting equipment, army, factory output and stuff

argentina is the strongest south american country at the start but gets outscaled by brasil

paraguay is hard to attack

[fair horizon]

also brazil has a lot of underequipped divs because thier industry is crap early

[heavy vigil]

uruguay is like free eco

[errant arch]

what that

[heavy vigil]

chile is very long and easy to seperate so its like free eco but a bit harder

[fair horizon]

5% recruitable doctrine

[errant arch]

what about factories? i emergency converted to mils now i have very few civs left

[fair horizon]

give me my dlc already paradox

[turbid ravine]

what reason has the republic of ukraine have to hate greece

[heavy vigil]

never convert

its just a bad idea

[errant arch]

ah shit really?

[heavy vigil]

well

[errant arch]

i figured i would invest heavily into beating braszil and just use their factories

[heavy vigil]

its good for the like 3-6 months after

in mil output

but it drops off after that

so unless you know youre gonna end the war in that time it isnt worth it

as in like, the last war you play in

so like ww2 for example

[errant arch]

if i do just walk north wont they walk behind me and take it all back?

[fair horizon]

units cant move if they're being attacked

So leave some to pin and kill while the rest goes north

[heavy vigil]

you can keep some divisions to keep them occupied but you have more

also ai doesnt attack at all when low org

no supply forces low org

so its pretty safe

[warm falcon]

how many losses are ok in china

[fair horizon]

As china?

[warm falcon]

japan

[fair horizon]

How many are you at?

[warm falcon]

i was at 147k now

war just ended

[fair horizon]

Thats fine

China has infinite manpower

[warm falcon]

ik

[fair horizon]

And its yours now so its yours

So no the 147k doesnt matter

[warm falcon]

bought the new dlc today

if i see thats right in the one part of the focus tree i can core all of china if i give it to mandschukuo is that right?

[fair horizon]

Idk i dont own the dlc i just know china has infinite manpower whether its yours or not

[heavy vigil]

why would you want to tho

[warm falcon]

if i can get cores in china as japan would be great

[solemn hinge]

is this reddit worthy?

[heavy vigil]

its rlly like mid

and not that good

[little owl]

@heavy vigil Is there a tutorial around or something, I feel it's kinda RNG whether or not I get stuck against like 50 million Chinese or if they forget to show up to the front or something

For how to rush China as Japan

[heavy vigil]

you need to crit them

exceed defense stat

your units are probably just bad

try adding 1 arty to the hohei shidan and put like 3-4 mils on arty from day 1

remove all plane and silly lines

like tanks

trucks

trains

you dont need those

make the motorized into regular inf

[buoyant flume]

I managed to beat Germany as france in less than 70 days without

[heavy vigil]

so you can motorize supply

[buoyant flume]

@heavy vigil is this good?

[heavy vigil]

awesome

[buoyant flume]

Im still on civilian economy lmao

[worn cliff]

dang

killed all of europe

[buoyant flume]

@heavy vigil war economy is overrated

[stable lodge]

How to invade UK as Italy? I don't have "naval range"

[snow rain]

change the home base of your fleet

put it closer
CTRL+Rclick or use the automated tool (the gear in the fleet screen)

[buoyant flume]

Take gilbrater

[stable lodge]

I took it

[buoyant flume]

Who owns France?

[stable lodge]

Wow, I've been strugling a lot just because of this

[stable lodge]

A third me, Germany and Vichy

[buoyant flume]

You probably need to station the shops in northern France

[stable lodge]

It was because of my home base still being in Italy

[buoyant flume]

Oh

[thick vector]

[heavy vigil]

trying a run rn and huh the ai does go in on uruguay now

[vocal bolt]

are bicycle divs any good

I feel like both cycles and horseys have the same issue

[obsidian sigil]

i mean i like them

[vocal bolt]

they just either get screwed over by their extra supply need

or they cant use their speed fully bc other stuff is slow

I like taking 1 or two line arty sometimes

defeats the purpose of faster horses bc arty goes 4km

[obsidian sigil]

get motorized arty or spg

[vocal bolt]

putting motorized arty is a very stupid way to use my resources

[obsidian sigil]

then spg

[vocal bolt]

arty itself is already too expensive

[obsidian sigil]

spgs are meta anyway

[vocal bolt]

might aswell just go all out on those with normal infantry